Police Say ‘Gay Rights’ Advocate, ‘Husband’ Who Committed Suicide Molested 10 Adolescent Boys

ST. PAUL, Minn. — Documents released this week from the St. Paul Police Department outline that two homosexual men who committed suicide in August had molested 10 adolescent boys during a period of three years.

Police have now closed their investigation into Minnesota school teacher Aric Babbitt and his “husband,” Matthew Deyo, who ended their lives after a 16-year-old boy and his mother reported to officials that “an ongoing sexual relationship” had been taking place.

While charges had not yet been filed, the two left a letter for their parents advising that they were going to commit suicide, which was received after the fact. Their bodies were found on Lopez Island in Washington state on Aug. 25.

Police documents outline that the men wrote that that preferred to choose their “own destinies rather than experience the hatred and inevitable loss of freedom that the justice system would give.” The situation was ruled a murder-suicide.

Babbit, then 40, worked as a fourth grade school teacher at Lincoln Center Elementary School. The 16-year-old had volunteered at the school, and Babbit served as his mentor when he came out to his family as homosexual. The teen told police that Babbit and Deyo had said they would take him to a concert and pay for his hotel stay. But while at the hotel, he alleged, the men gave him alcohol and marijuana, and then sexually abused him.

The situation occurred again at a cabin, and this time, involved both the teen and his friend. According to KSTP-TV, police were able to obtain photos from the cabin stay that identified the youths, as well as the accused.

On August 16, a search warrant was issued in relation to the matter, which included suspicion of possessing child pornography. Police confiscated Babbit and Deyo’s computers, phones, cameras and other devices. They also found marijuana in the men’s home, as well as a hidden camera in the restroom, according to their report.

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Pioneer Press also outlines that footage had been found of Babbit filming himself touching his private parts in the elementary school restroom and in an empty classroom. The Star Tribune states that some of the encounters with the boys was likewise filmed.

Babbit was suspended with pay, and other youth began coming forward.

But nine days later, Babbit and Deyo traveled out of state and committed suicide. The police report states that the letter mailed to their parents outlined that they were concerned that information regarding search of their home would become public and some would consequently “paint them as monsters, but we are not.” They contended that anyone who was involved was a “willing participant.”

“They do not believe that they did any harm, nor did they intend any hurt,” police documents note.

More youth came forward following the men’s deaths, and now the final report—134 pages in all—outlines that there were 10 boys who came forward to state that they had been sexually abused.

“As a school district, we strive to provide a safe and secure learning environment for our students,” South St. Paul schools Superintendent Dave Webb said in a statement to reporters this week. “This has been very hard on our entire South St. Paul community.”

St. Paul Police Chief William Messerich says that the investigation is now closed.


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  • Weary Warrior

    The monsters declared themselves not to be monsters; therefore, they could not have been monsters. Glad that’s settled.

  • Roy Payne

    When I was a boy, my dad warned me about men who “liked boys”. The prevailing wisdom at that time (50s & 60s) was that queers preyed on boys. Today, even suggesting such a thing is politically incorrect. Yet we see story after story of just exactly that happening. A friend of mine has said, “If any man did that to my son, I’ve got a gun and plenty of land. They will never find the body.” I think most normal fathers feel that way.

    • SFBruce

      Much of the “prevailing wisdom” of the 50’s and 60’s has been discredited. At that time, women had no legal right to refuse physical intimacy with their husbands, African-Americans could be denied employment, housing and credit with legal impunity, and being gay was illegal in all 50 states. The notion that gay men are child molesters isn’t just politically incorrect, it’s supported by the data which consistently show that gay men and child molesters are different populations. By and large, gay men aren’t child molesters and child molesters don’t identify as gay.

      • Vociferous1

        If you have a son, nephew, etc, of elementary school (and even high school) age, would you leave him alone, in private, with homosexuals?

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Absolutely.

          • maam2u

            oh, the supplier ^^^^^^

        • TimCA

          To no greater or lesser extent than I would with heterosexuals.

        • SFBruce

          I wouldn’t want to leave a child of mine alone with anyone I didn’t know and trust, but I wouldn’t distrust someone based on nothing more than their sexual orientation.

        • Tangent002

          I wouldn’t let my child alone with an adult straight person if I did not know them personally.

      • Joshua Krug

        Are you really offering a defense to any of these you mentioned and not to children in innocency?

        • SFBruce

          Where in my comment do you see anything remotely resembling a defense of the despicable acts these men are alleged to have committed?

          • Joshua Krug

            Your mockery of prevailing wisdom.

          • SFBruce

            I’m not mocking prevailing wisdom, I’m mocking the notion that we haven’t learned a few things since the 50’s and 60’s.

          • Joshua Krug

            You discredit wisdom that is sixty seventy years old, but bombastically produce “wisdom” that is from today? I think that is why our parents usually say, when the children are trying to pull one over, “I wasn’t born yesterday.” That old wisdom, comes from an older wisdom and in that one is true life.

          • Tangent002

            Just because wisdom is old doesn’t make it true.

          • Joshua Krug

            Then where does Wisdom come from if it is not the truth? 9 As I watched,

            Thrones were set up
            and the Ancient of Days took his throne.
            His clothing was white as snow,
            the hair on his head like pure wool;
            His throne was flames of fire,
            with wheels of burning fire.
            10 A river of fire surged forth,
            flowing from where he sat;
            Thousands upon thousands were ministering to him,
            and myriads upon myriads stood before him.
            The court was convened, and the books were opened. 11 I watched, then, from the first of the arrogant words which the horn spoke, until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the burning fire. 12 As for the other beasts, their dominion was taken away, but they were granted a prolongation of life for a time and a season. 13 As the visions during the night continued, I saw coming with the clouds of heaven

            One like a son of man.
            When he reached the Ancient of Days
            and was presented before him,
            14 He received dominion, splendor, and kingship;
            all nations, peoples and tongues will serve him.
            His dominion is an everlasting dominion
            that shall not pass away,
            his kingship, one that shall not be destroyed.

          • Tangent002

            When all of that actually happens, I will be more likely to believe in God.

          • Joshua Krug

            I would believe before it happens, that when it does, you are ready.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Old wisdom was that women and blacks couldn’t vote. How is that good?

          • Joshua Krug

            You said straight men molest boys. Do you see the trouble with that? That is why woman shouldn’t vote. It makes for confusion. The word didn’t reach you alone.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I read that over five times and still don’t know what you’re talking about. What does the fact that straight men sometimes molest boys have to do with women voting?

          • Joshua Krug

            Straight men are not sexually inclined toward other men. Hence, “straight.”

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Straight men do molest boys, in fact they are guilty of it far more often than gay men. You seem to be confusing homosexuality with pedophilia.

          • Joshua Krug

            Light is one, as darkness is one.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Whatever that means. Straight men are the primary molesters of boys, a fact easily verified online.

          • Joshua Krug

            It means, both acts are darkness, and thereby can not be confused. And for you to smear straight men is madness, especially in defense of those who have left the straight way.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No one is smearing straight men. I’m just giving you facts.

          • maam2u

            A lie is NOT a fact , and you know it. Anyone who engages willfully in homosex is a homosexual, period. No amount of fake switching of their label, will change the fact that it is homosexual acts. and thus a homosexual doing the actions. or bisexual.
            MANY gays prefer children or very young boys. some are only held back by fear of jail.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            If you engage in a sexual act with a child, it’s not a willing partner, it’s a victim. It has nothing to do with homosexuality regardless of the child’s gender. Fact. Your statement “Many gays prefer children” is a hateful lie with no basis in fact.

          • maam2u

            That is a contradiction in terms. Just use your own head, a straight guy does not do homosexual acts. If he does, then HE IS NOT STRAIGHT.

          • maam2u

            whomever says they are not homosexual, but they do homosexual acts, that person is lying. That is homosexuality.

          • Tangent002

            Straight men in prison or on long sea voyages will definitely resort to same-sex activity. The practice was so common in the British Royal Navy, that it was officially tolerated as long as the sailors returned to ‘normal attraction’ when they came ashore.

          • Joshua Krug

            A straight arrow hits it’s mark. That is crooked if I ever heard it.

          • Tangent002

            Florid prose means nothing. Straight men do engage in homosexual activity.

          • Joshua Krug

            I doubt that.

          • Tangent002

            Research ‘situational homosexuality’ and get back to me.

          • Joshua Krug

            No.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Well then you’re not going to learn anything and you’re just going to keep right on being wrong.

          • Joshua Krug

            You don’t quit, do you?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Should I? Why?

          • maam2u

            well there you go, IT IS A FORM OF homosexuality.

          • maam2u

            that’s only some people’s definition of straight. They are crooked if they do the act. not straight. That is called pandering, and they are corrupt enablers if they look the other way and say it’s ok. or that it is not homosexual behavior.

          • maam2u

            yeah, well that’s called prison sex. SO? none of it is allowed by God. end of story.

          • Tangent002

            What does that have to do with women voting?

          • Jason Todd

            I prefer “normal.”

          • Tangent002

            Why shouldn’t women vote?

          • SFBruce

            Yes, I discredit sixty year old “wisdom” that’s patently unfair and/or no longer true based on hard data. Are you really prepared to make the argument that tradition is always good, and should always be maintained? Do you really think racism was great, the subjugation of women was a good thing, and being LGBT should be criminalized?

          • Joshua Krug

            Am I talking tradition or are you? Tradition clears these things, the law does not.

          • maam2u

            all those other things have nothing to do with homosexuality, which is an outright sin, condemned by God as being worthy of His punishment. stay on track.

          • SFBruce

            I cited those 3 things as evidence of things which have changed since the 50’s & 60’s. While you have every right to come to your own conclusions regarding whether those changes are good or not, I simply don’t consider homosexuality a sin. Disagree with me all you want, but you might want to try and stay on track yourself.

          • Tangent002

            At one time the ‘prevailing wisdom’ was that slavery was okay.

          • Joshua Krug

            People speak evil of what they don’t understand. If I was once free in regard to righteousness, I am a slave of Christ. People are slaves to the one they obey.

          • Tangent002

            You are talking about the spiritual, not actual physical slavery.

          • Joshua Krug

            Why aren’t you?

          • Tangent002

            Why aren’t I what?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Amen, Brother! I’m right there with you. Tangent is a slave too – a slave to Sin – he just own’t admit it.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Who are you to say it’s not? According to your persistent comments on here, your belief system is run on popular opinion and so the conclusion must be that you would’ve supported it – and would again – IF it became accepted and popular once more.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        No, it’s not been discredited. And the “data” as you claim can be seen in the actual videos and literature the LGBTQABCXYZ community has put out.

        Nice try though.

        • SFBruce

          Do you really think racism was a great thing? That women shouldn’t have the ability to tell their husbands “No?” Or that all LGBT people should be rounded up and put in jail? If you want to make an argument for any of this, go ahead.

          The American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics are just two professional organizations who have consistently reported on studies showing no correlation between being gay and an inclination to sexually abuse underage kids. If you think you have good evidence to refute that, present it.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I forgot, this site may not allow posts with links so in case my previous post gets deleted, here it is again. For the links that I deleted just Google “NAMBA and pedophilia”…

            Did you hear that? It was the sound of a sonic boom as my reply went right over your head and you resorted to the age old tactic of diversion and distraction. Nice try again.

            The ineffectual claim by those who have nothing to stand on is always to say “experts say” or “the leading institutions…”. It’s empty rhetoric.

            “The American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics are just two professional organizations who have consistently reported on studies showing no correlation between being gay and an inclination to sexually abuse underage kids.”

            Those two organizations just not all that long ago claimed that Homosexuality was a deviant behavior and perversion, then a mental illness, and now a perfectly acceptable normative behavior. And you wanna tout them? LOL

            All of those organizations are made up of men who can change their minds on a whim. God and His Word have never changed. There is a way that seems right unto a man and it leads to death. Prov. 14:12 You and all those who support immoral deviant lifestyles will wake up one day to that fact.

            Thank you for openly showing the utter ignorance of your “leading institutions”!! Anyone with a functioning brain would know that two people of the same sex could NEVER provide what a heterosexual couple could.

            PLEASE post this as much as you possibly can!!!! Folks THIS is what the LGBTQABCXYZ Community and their supporters want you to believe!!!! Do you really believe there is no difference between male and female? No difference between a mother and father? Really?????

            No matter how effeminate a man continues to pretend to be, no matter how many times he lays on his back or gets on all fours, he will NEVER be a woman. NEVER!! And he could NEVER give a child what a Mommy could.

            In the beginning God created male and female…. and Satan has been convincing the totally depraved ever since that they can change that. Deceiving many into believing a lie and practicing even that which nature itself shows is an abomination.

            As far as ” If you think you have good evidence to refute that, present it”, like I said, one only need to go to the source of their own literature. That said here are 3 quick references:

          • SFBruce

            “All of those organizations are made up of men who can change their minds on a whim. God and His Word have never changed.”

            Apparently, your larger problem isn’t so much with what I’ve said as with science itself. Yes, from a scientific perspective, theories about the natural world change, and sometimes those changes are dramatic. That’s because scientists know their understanding of the universe is, at best, incomplete, and at worst, wrong. Prevailing theories exist because they are the best explanation for a particular phenomenon, but as new research is done, those theories are either confirmed, modified or tossed out completely. Of course, some of life’s most interesting questions, like the existence of God and our purpose in life aren’t areas science addresses, although new understanding can certainly challenge existing ideas about morality, as is the case with gender, race and sexual orientation. The fact remains gay men are no more likely to seek underage individuals as sex partners than their heterosexual counterparts. I believe that because It’s what the data show.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Apparently, your larger problem isn’t so much with what I’ve said as with science itself. Statements such as your:

            “The fact remains gay men are no more likely to seek underage individuals as sex partners than their heterosexual counterparts.”

            You folks are always throwing around “the facts” when you have nothing to back them up as. Sorry bub, but “suppositions” aren’t facts. And it makes NO difference whether you believe “the data” shows that or not. Read it how you wish.

            I’ll simply refer you back to the Homosexual literature they have put out themselves going all the way back to the ’70’s and, of course, there’s always NAMBLA.

            Oh, and btw, when you choose to use words like “no more likely”, you really oughtta take the “facts” into consideration. Like, for example, the %% of Homosexuals as opposed to Heterosexuals.

          • SFBruce

            I already cited two sources to backup my claim: the American Psychological Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics as two of many professional organizations who see no correlation between adult gay men and men who seek underage sex partners. You made no mention of the American Academy of Pediatrics, but dismissed the APA as the American “Psychotic” Association. because they changed their mind about homosexuality. That’s like saying we can’t be sure if the world is round or flat because scientists changed their minds.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            And I already destroyed the credentials of the two sources you use.

            Feel perfectly free to base your beliefs on stuff that blows every which way the wind blows. I’ll base mine on The One who NEVER changes.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            But you didn’t destroy them at all, Royce. You just posted some PRATTs (Previously Refuted a Thousand Times) and some opinions. Let’s now add another organization to SFBruce’s list, the American Psychiatric Association. These are experts in their fields, Royce. They gain nothing by lying en masses to the general public. No one is paying them off.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            They’re only PRATTs because you consider something to be “refuted” when a spiritually-dead child of wrath says, Huh uh! Not true!”

            And btw, before you decide to insert yourself into a discussion, ya might wanna take the time to actually read the comments previously posted. Had you bothered to do that you would have hopefully found that the APA you cite is no different than the APA SFBruce cited. BOTH are man- made organizations that not all that long ago called all these perverts exactly what they are – sexual deviants and some with a mental disorder.

            Moreover, it’s really foolish to say they gain nothing by lying to en masses. Apparently you live in a cave somewhere and make it out ever now & then to use the internet because one would have to be a hermit and have been completely in the dark for the last 10yrs not to see what happens when ANYONE speaks out and says anything against the LGBTQABCXYZ perversions.

            But here’s the REAL reason that these secular humanist organizations buy into all these evils:

            18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:18-22)

            “And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath” (Eph. 2:1-4)

            “There is a way which seems right to a man,
            But its end is the way of death.” (Prov. 14:12)

          • Jenny Ondioline

            They’re PRATTs because they are stupid and have been easily refuted, despite the fact that people like you enjoy trying to keep them alive and feeding into the stupid myth. I’m not interested in crap, I’m interested in facts. What a shame you aren’t.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s called Denial. First of all, they’re not “stupid” just because you don’t like them, don’t agree with them, or think they are. Secondly, they have NOT be refuted at all. Let alone easily.

            You folks really need to come up with something better. Simply denying reality doesn’t make it not exist.

            The only one showing themselves as “shameful” are those who don’t have anything to offer but empty rhetoric and regurgitating the same old gruel time after time after time again.

            And, just like I believe I’ve already said above, if you are going to use the APA then you have to say you’ll abide by them should they go back and change their mind again.

            Or you could just believe God. He NEVER changes.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            They are stupid because they have no basis in fact. You want SO much to say that pedophiles are a product of homosexuals because you hate homosexuals. Unfortunately you don’t have facts on your side so you make things up. And it’s not just the APA, it’s practically every other mental health organization out there that will say the same thing. This is the flimsiest argument I’ve ever seen and it’s coming from YOU.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You want SO much to be God and think that you can read peoples mind’s but you can’t.

            I don’t want any such thing. Pedophiles, just like Homosexuals and EVERY other perversion or sexual immorality is the product of SIN.

            And I don’t hate Homosexuals. I hate that they harm themselves and call it good. I hate that they push their abomination on others and call it “normal”. I hate that a large number of them, if not a majority, hate God and push their God-hating atheism on others. I hate that they prey on and recruit the weak and confused, like adolescents. I hate that they promote their lies and damage Society as a whole. And I hate that they will spend Eternity tormented in the Lake of Fire for their rebellion and choosing to cling to their sin instead of the Savior.

            THAT is what I hate. Next time you decide to engage someone in a discussion you might try asking them what they hate instead of telling them. Of course, like many, I don’t expect you’ll see the difference between hating the above and hating the person. You Libs never do.

            Fortunately, I have more than the facts. I have the TRUTH.

            Now that you’ve shown yourself as some narcissistic bloviator with a delusional god-complex who think they can read minds and completely discredited themselves in public, don’t ya think it’s time to just admit you’re grasping at straws and have no foundation to stand on?

            Oh, and btw, since you’re so fond of Psychiatry & Psychology, Google “Internet Troll” and see what Psychology Today has to say about YOU.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I make no attempt to be God, I’m only interested in the truth and exposing your hatred. People have the right to fall in love and it’s not your place to tell them they’re wrong to do so or try to compare them to those who abuse children.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Can you even make a single post without lying? Is that even possible?

            I’ve pointed out specifically how you try and be God and think you have His immutable attributes like Omniscience. Pointed it out several times now. It’s right there in black & white for all to see. That you would continue to deny what is right before your eyes speaks all that need to be said on that matter! Duh! Evidently, you don’t even realize you just did it again in this last post of yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            And your delusion doesn’t stop there. You’re not only have NO interest in the Truth but rather you seem to be obsessing over making sure everyone else believes your lies are the truth. Ain’t gonna happen!!!

            As Ronald Reagan said, “There ya go again.” When did God die and who appointed you to take His place? Where do you get off saying who has what “rights”. And your “fall in love” only goes to show that you have NO idea what “love” really is.

            The only one exposing their lies and hatred is YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You point out what your OPINION is about how YOU think I’m “trying to be God”, that doesn’t make me a liar, it makes you a very bad judge of character.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            It’s not my OPINION. It’s a FACT as EVIDENCED by your own words.

            As for judging our character, you’ve given us all plenty to do that with.

          • Jason Todd

            The American Psychological Association also published the pro-pedophilia Rind study. They have NO credibility in that field. Period.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That’s not how proof works. You don’t get to take an error repeated (not made) by one group of people and hold it against them, and their successors, heirs, and anyone vaguely associated with them, for any topic, related or not, for the rest of eternity.

            That is, unless you’d care to start apologizing for the Salem Witch Trials.

          • Jason Todd

            Aren’t you the one who defended the Rind study? So it isn’t like your opinion means much.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Oh really? So what did I get wrong? You can prove somebody wrong by pointing to an error their colleague made 20 years ago?

          • Jason Todd

            Which means what? It doesn’t change what I said.

      • Jason Todd

        Whenever someone compares skin color to sexual behavior, they compromise their credibility, because it is complete and utter horsecrap.

        The notion that gay men are child molesters isn’t just politically incorrect, it’s not supported by the data which consistently show that gay men and child molesters are different populations. By and large, gay men aren’t child molesters and child molesters don’t identify as gay.

        Explain NAMBLA.

        • Jenny Ondioline

          When you compare skin color to sexuality, your credibility is intact, because you understand that both are things you are born with that you cannot change. Homosexuality and heterosexuality are not behaviors. You can be a homosexual your entire life and never touch another person. They are states of being.

          I realize your statement says “whenever someone compares skin color to sexual behavior” but no one does that.

          Explain NAMBLA? Sure. NAMBLA is a group of pedophiles trying to legitimize pedophilia whom no one takes seriously. Do you think they are all gay men, and if so, please explain why you think that and what proof you have.

          I’ll go to my grave wondering why people like you continuously compare pedophilia to homosexuality without taking a moment to understand either one.

      • libertynottyranny

        Ahhh, isn’t this rich, the insanity of this present generation rears it’s ugly head again to reveal its cards & show where this madness is going (as if we didn’t already know – for there is nothing new under the sun).

        So, in your detached mental state, men who have sexual proclivities toward underage males are “not gay”… well, here IS what they are: they are practicing homosexuality. They are practicing that which is against nature & against nature’s God. Call it what you want, it is a perversion & it requires a twisted & perverted mind to do the mental gymnastics to state that a male that molests males is not “gay” (unless, by ‘gay’ you mean joyous, as back in the 1920s). Okay, you twisted sister, he’s “not gay”, but he is most definitely acting on his homosexual desires, meaning he’s homosexual – which I’m pretty sure all “gay” individuals do also (engage in dalliances w/ members of their same sex).

        I know, I know, the American ‘psychotics’ association did a study to show adult males who engage in sexual relations w/ underage males are not ‘gay’ (I.e. homosexual, i.e. members of the same sex engaging in sexual behaviors w/ one another, i.e. same-sex attraction). Awesome, that settles it then. The schizophrenic & the insane w/ PhD’s have ‘determined’ the perverted to be ‘normal’ (is this the same organization that once stated that homosexual behavior was a mental disorder, but later changed that diag?). Since when did you & the alphabet soup associations & societies pervert the meaning of the prefixes ‘homo-‘ & ‘hetero-‘?

        So forgive my skepticism when I say “give it some time” – the same sick bunch telling us there is no connection between “gay” (homosexuality) & pediphilia, will be telling us in another 20 yrs (if even that), that man-boy attraction is “something they were born w/”, “who they are”, “how they feel/self identify”, & that it is “perfectly normal” – besides “it hurts no one” as the two monsters in this article claimed.

        BTW being ‘gay’ was never illegal in all 50 states, practicing sodomy was – b/c back in the 50s we knew that it was a behavior (i.e. an action), no one was being singled out for a thought or a “feeling” (that kind of Orwellian behavior is more in line w/ the likes of you & this generation where ‘political correctness’ is the actionable crime). But, as you argue, practicing sodomy isn’t ‘gay’ (e.g. your assertion of male-on-male pedophiles not being ‘gay’), so then your statement, obviously false, was meant to deceive. But don’t let a little thing like truth get in the way of your agenda.

        • SFBruce

          It’s actually pretty simple: gay men are no more likely to seek underage boys as sexual partners than straight men are are to seek underage girls as sexual partners. That’s what the data show. Period.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s NOT what the data shows. You can keep telling that lie as long, as loud, and as often as you want but it will NEVER become the truth just because you do,.

          • SFBruce

            You’ve provided no counter evidence to what I’ve provided, and the only way you challenged the credibility of the APA is to all them the American “Psychotic” Foundation, and you’re actually calling me a liar. You’re certainly entitled to your religious beliefs and your own opinions, but you’ve offered nothing that actually supports them.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, you’re confused. I would say you lied again but I see where someone else said that so I’ll give that to you just being confused. Which becomes more apparent with each post you make.

            The credibility of the APA is challenged because of its inconsistency and because of what it relies upon. And you’re certainly no one to talk about “offered nothing”. All you’ve offered is a bunch of statements that have not been backed up. You spout off about the APA when just in the span of a couple of decades the APA reversed itself about 3 times. And that’s “credibility”?

            And I did offer something. I offered the Word of God. The infallible, inerrant, very God-breathed Word from the one and only true God who NEVER changes. Now, try that on for size.

            That said, just to show everyone else who might read this how you folks aren’t interested in the truth but rather in promoting a lie, and that if you were interested in the truth a simple Google search proves otherwise. Which goes to prove you are NOT interested in facts, or the truth, but rather just promoted your lies.

            Here are 3 short blurbs from two of the first things that pop up on Google:

            “A history of literature and views existing within the COC (Cultural and Recreational Center), the major Dutch organizations of homosexual men and women, regarding pedophilia and its relationship to homosexuality are discussed, beginning with definite separation between the pedophile and homosexual identities and ending with an abolishment of oppression towards pedophilia, for which the COC is in part responsible. The article argues that the homosexual identity is by no means a ôconstantö but a fluid identity, based on societal views and conditions. By accepting pedophilia, the COC hopefully will broaden the idea of the gay identity.”

            “Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. ”

            “The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.”

            DON’T miss that last paragraph and “up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys”!!

    • Tangent002

      In general, male homosexuals do not prey on children.

  • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

    Paint them as monsters? Really? They have cameras in an elementary school, they get underage kids wasted & molest them & film them, they have child porn in their possession – they are creating their own painting.

    Too bad they didn’t commit suicide sooner.

  • NCOriolesFan

    But Christian teachers have a Bible on their desk or Christians pray at sports events or graduation – a BIG no-no. A BIGGER no-no than being gay or molesting children.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Whoever said that?

      • Joshua Krug

        You don’t stop do you? Atheist and humanist and secular groups continue to obscure freedoms.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Okay, that has nothing to do with the topic. I asked who thinks teachers with Bibles on their desks or praying at school events is worse than teachers molesting students.

          • Joshua Krug

            When you find out let us know.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Don’t look at me, your buddy NCOrioles fan up there said it.

    • Tangent002

      If these men had been caught, they would have been punished. Your argument is akin to saying that since there are murderers, we shouldn’t prosecute robbery.

  • xinthose

    They are monsters by their own admission. Their blood is upon them. They are burning in hell now if they did not repent to God before committing suicide.

    • Tangent002

      As I understand it, suicide is a sin, so even if they did repent for their other crimes, they would still be in hell.

      • Joshua Krug

        By the Catholic Church?

      • xinthose

        I think it’s sin for the wrong reasons. Saul went to heaven after killing himself because he was going to be killed by the Philistines anyway.

  • mjoinsd

    When I was a boy in Mpls in late 60’s my big brother of America partner molested my. I have wished him dead since. He was eventually made to pay for others he molested through his job at a Mpls school.

    I am Christian but I support these deaths.

    • Tammy Robison

      mjoinsd, I’m so sorry for what happened to you and I agree that if such people are not going to repent it is better for them not to be on this earth to continue to hurt others. As a Christian you must forgive and trust God to do what is right. The bible says that if we don’t forgive we will not be forgiven so I hope you have been able to do this, if not pray continually about it and God will help you.

      • Joshua Krug

        I think it is when a brother sins against you and returns and asks forgiveness, even seven times in a day, we must forgive.

        • maam2u

          but obviously they are not christian brothers to anyone! and def not forgiven if they have not repented. I don’t think you get the scripture.

          • Joshua Krug

            I wasn’t talking about either one in the article, but mjoinsd and Tammy’s response.

      • mjoinsd

        Thanks. I will pray about it.

  • Jenny Ondioline

    But when straight men molest boys, do the stories get reported like this?

    • Tangent002

      Not really. The exception is the Catholic Church scandal.

    • Joshua Krug

      Did you read that before you wrote it?

      • Jenny Ondioline

        What part of it are you having trouble understanding?

        • Joshua Krug

          It sounds like those men stepped away from the straight path.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            It’s not about “normal” attraction, it’s pedophilia. You need to stop acting like it’s got anything to do with homo/heterosexuality.

          • Joshua Krug

            And again, when the alcoholic has had a bit too much to drink, you can tell by the way he fails to walk a straight line.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Pedophiles are largely not homosexuals. I’m not sure how your alcoholic example relates.

          • Joshua Krug

            What are they?

          • Tangent002

            Pedophilia is a separate orientation altogether. Pedophiles are incapable of forming healthy sexual relationships with other adults. Further, they tend to view children as sexual objects, not others human beings, thus, they lack a basic capacity for altruism. Pedophiles are a subset of sociopaths.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            People attracted sexually to children.

          • maam2u

            That’s so disingenuous. it is homosexual molestation of same sex. just use your head for one second. Nothing else makes sense at all. If it was hetero, it would be hetero. but it is NOT. seeeeeee?
            the gay lobby just wants to fudge the numbers to say that straights molest same sex. lol. contradiction in terms.
            They just love that fudge.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            a) Homosexuality isn’t pedophilia. The molestation of a child by an adult is not related to hetero/homosexual relationships at all. It is a separate category. And statistically it is far more common for straight men to be guilty of this. There is simply no logical reason for you to read a story like this and get upset at homosexuals.

            b) The “gay lobby” is irrelevant.

  • TimCA

    This is a disgusting story. The abuse of trust and the selfish use of a minor for personal gratification is repulsive. But we can find examples of this type of predatory behavior among both heterosexuals and homosexuals. There is no evidence however that gay people (or gay men in particular) are statistically any more predisposed to engage in these sorts of crimes than their heterosexual counterparts.

    • Tangent002

      A study performed at Children’s Hospital of Colorado found that homosexuals are no more likely to commit acts of pedophilia than any other orientation.

      • Amos Moses

        false science from people with an agenda ……….. why should i believe what they said or what you are saying …… or even that it is true ………

        • jim_luvs_Jesus

          Agreed. When one defines the subject they think they can control the argument. It is important to challenge the definition. One cannot be a “straight” male and engage in sex with a male child, adolescent or adult. Self labelling is not accurate. One cannot say ‘I’m not a monster’ to avoid the truth. Behavior identifies the truth.

          • Amos Moses

            those who do evil have already convinced themselves they do it for “good” ……….

    • Joshua Krug

      Sodom.

      • Tangent002

        Kumquats.

        • Joshua Krug

          You honestly equate Sodom and it’s reputation with a fruit of a deciduous plant?

          • Tangent002

            No, I was just tossing out a random word. It has the same relevance as yours.

          • Joshua Krug

            Mine wasn’t random, so how is yours relevant?

          • Tangent002

            Farandole.

          • maam2u

            somebody up there ^^^ wants to legitimize gay penetration of children, it seems.

          • Amos Moses

            california just did ….. beginning in a week ……..

      • TimCA

        Sodom. A supposed ancient town located (by some accounts) somewhere near the Dead Sea.

        Your point?

        • Joshua Krug

          The reason it is supposedly there is because it was wiped out by fiery sulfur. It was a people disposed toward crime, and that of a sexual nature.

          • Tangent002

            The crime of Sodom was inhospitality. Lot offered his daughters to be raped by the crowd.

          • Joshua Krug

            Right, it was extremely inhospitable of them to say, “Bring those men out so we can have sex with them.”

          • Tangent002

            Do you agree with Lot offering his daughters instead?

          • Joshua Krug

            Do you think Lot should have been placed in that position at all?

          • Amos Moses

            do you not think that they rejected them in favor of the guests points to exactly what was going on ………..

          • Amos Moses

            the crime was much further than that ….. and the exact same scripture points that out ……. small crimes and rebellion lead to bigger crimes ….. so you are misleading with a lie as to what the scriptures says ….

          • TimCA

            Others opine it was “wiped out” over the supposed “crime” of inhospitality. Some archaeologists opine there is no historical basis for belief that such a town by that name ever existed.

            Again, your point?

          • Joshua Krug

            Are you saying because they don’t believe in God, it makes God less real?

          • TimCA

            What does belief in deity have to do with the sexual abuse of minors in general or this case in particular?

            Again, your point?

          • Joshua Krug

            You clear the evidence of men practicing homosexuality and instead place the blame on the shoulders of those not even indicted. I am saying it is clear as day.

          • TimCA

            Individuals are either guilty or not of crimes committed. Other individuals with whom they may share demographic commonality are not…….except in the prejudiced minds of bigots.

            A woman shoots and kills her neighbor. All women are not murderers.
            A person from Ohio habitually drives while under the influence, not all Ohioans are drunk drivers.
            A Catholic beats his dog. Not all Catholics engage in animal abuse.
            A straight man sexually abuses a 10 year old. Not all heterosexuals are child
            molesters.

            Get it?

          • maam2u

            False. The city of Sodom was identified and the remains of melted limestone buildings and also ancient sulphur balls were all over everything. AKA BRIMSTONE.

          • TimCA

            My response to you is being held for moderation. I believe this is because it contained links. The essence of that post was to suggest you again reread my previous posts. Steve Collins’ contention that he has definitively discovered “Sodom” is highly contentious among scholars and academics and is certainly not settled.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Are you ok with sodomy when it occurs between straight couples?

          • maam2u

            no. the human rectum is always damaged with tiny fissures by that. it was never designed to receive ,it was only designed to send . The tiny fissures lead directly into the bloodstream, unlike the walls of the female vag*na, which is designed to receive and to give birth.
            Those tiny fissures are why gays got aids so easily from each other, from that instant entry of HIV- infected fluids into the bloodstream. And spreading it around like wild fire because of so much promiscuity (no boundaries).

          • Jason Todd

            TBH, it is all about human sexuality and what goes on between consenting adults behind closed doors, which is supposed to be nobody’s business.

  • Tangent002

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. Good they took themselves out rather than relying on public largesse to maintain them in prison.

  • Robert

    What NOT a surprise homosexuals sexually abusing minors.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA should not advocate homosexuality in the world; homosexuality promotes suicide, moral chaos including pedophilia, and diseases. The world is full of other griefs and not better-off like the USA. Secular men force the evil knowingly ranting political correctness, but mankind have human rights to reject immorality. Gays need callings for repentance and not toxic affirmations.

  • Theo

    The push for “marriage” was never the main goal, the real prize they want is the legalization of pedophilia. They kept saying “Love is never wrong,” and they will keep on pushing it.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      It’s not a shock to see pervs targeting children; the worst thing is the society’s wide acceptance of it. It’s a miracle that secular nations are still seeing pedophilia as something wrong, but the real nightmare is a matter of time as chaste people are vanishing in the land. On top of this, no one will protect animals and robots from pervs. May God bestow His justice upon the earth for the sake of all the defenseless.

      • Croquet_Player

        “[T]he worst thing is the society’s wide acceptance of it [pervs targeting children].” I’m sorry Grace, this is entirely false. On a planet of 7.4 billion people, there are lunatics who condone sex with children. But in the United States, where I live, it is entirely unheard of to condone sex with minors, even older teens. So when you claim “society’s wide acceptance of it” there is simply no evidence of this at all. In fact, the United States has been foremost in the grim and difficult fight against child sex-trafficking. If you really care about sexual abuse of children, I do, and as we all should, then you should not make these ridiculous sweeping statements which have no basis in fact.

        Grace, I’m sure you are equally as horrified by the abuse of children as I am, and and you wish to to put a full stop to it, just as much as I do. I do not doubt your motives. But we have to be smart about it. What are the economic motives that drive victims into sexual slavery? Parents are often told by unscrupulous dealers, “Oh, your fourteen year old daughter will be a nanny for a nice family. Here’s two hundred dollars.” This is a fortune to them. They have no idea they just sold their dear child into a prostitution ring. Please start looking at the reality of child sexual abuse, and start helping how to fix it.

        • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

          Agreed. I’ve never known anyone to accept or condone this practice in US. If anything, it makes us quite angry to the point of violence.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Too many white people and their mental slaves accept homosexuality unconditionally; that’s what I mean. Such mentality leads to sex with anything. ( Leviticus chapter 18-20, Romans 1, Jude 1) People need Christian virtues to live like humans. USA needs Christianity to become civilized again. It’s heading to a hedonism’s dystopia now. Secular USA may go through painful lessons not to lust over everything like Nazi Germany did. Racism was wrong, but so is chaotic hedonism.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            I was speaking of people accepting pedophilia.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Please don’t be naive. Acceptance of homosexuality leads to acceptance of pedophilia. It’s a miracle that today’s chaotic secular Western culture sees any sexual sin still wrong. The West needs Biblical values for human rights and children’s wellness and protection.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          ? I meant the acceptance of homosexuality. Such society accepts any kind of perversion – sex with anything. That’s what’s happening in the white men’s ex-Christiendom this century. The West must give up the political correctness if it is serious about well-being of children. Innocence and purity is children’s fundamental human rights. I don’t think secular West seeks to protect its children; what they want is few elites’ monopoly with the mass corrupted in the slavery of immorality. People whose conscience is bent by immorality are exactly drug addicts; they can’t think and seeks only easy money. This is the reason mankind must never submit to the Sodomic West this century. Earthlings need the Holy Bible to live like humans, both then and now.

          • Croquet_Player

            The United States has some of the strongest child protection laws in the world and is at the forefront of the fight against international sex trafficking. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • Whiteguy

            And yet the huge church pastor molestation situation occur ed in the USA.

          • Croquet_Player

            People from all walks of life can be sexual predators. Unfortunately, families are more likely to trust people like relatives, pastors, teachers, etc., when in fact most predators are known to the parents and their victims.

          • Whiteguy

            You missed the point.

            I was not saying who did it.

            You mentioned how our laws are so tight against it …yet….

            we had a huge institutional occurrence for decades.

            Laws do not always prevent things…

          • Croquet_Player

            No laws don’t always prevent abuse, and that’s a shame. It’s particularly difficult when there is institutional cover-up, whether by a religious organization, school, or other group, to protect a member, at the expense of the victim.

          • Oboehner

            For now, homos have blazed a trail for perverts of all types to ride the wake.

          • Croquet_Player

            Oh really? Because it’s illegal to have sexual contact with minors. So yeah, if “blazing a trail” means “going to prison”.

          • Oboehner

            Sodomy was (and still is in some states)illegal, so by blazing a trail, I mean it will become legal one day not too far off.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            If by “sodomy” you mean acts of gay sex, no, that’s not illegal in any state and hasn’t been since Lawrence v. Texas.

          • Oboehner

            The old “one single court opinion covers all” fallacy, so all it would take is nmbla v. Idaho and poof – pedo would be legal everywhere!!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Assuming NAMBLA won, then yes. Thankfully that’s unlikely to happen.

          • Oboehner

            According to you, it would then be the law of the land just like roe v wade and the like.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes.

            I mean, we’re vastly, ludicrously oversimplifying the process, details, procedures, and ramifications, but yes, the short version is that if the Supreme Court found that laws forbidding adult-child sexual contact were unconstitutional, then it would, by necessity, be legal for adults to have sex with children.

            Are you trying to make some kind of point here, or just gross everyone out?

          • Oboehner

            So what makes a that single Supreme Court opinion different from legislating?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            The Supreme Court can’t create a new law, and it can’t address an issue that hasn’t been brought before it after an actual controversy has arisen. And the Court can’t take up an issue that has been resolved.

          • Oboehner

            Then how does striking down one law, on one case, in one state make it the law of the land?

            “Judicial Review:
            The best-known power of the Supreme Court is judicial review, or the
            ability of the Court to declare a Legislative or Executive act in
            violation of the Constitution, is not found within the text of the
            Constitution itself. The Court established this doctrine in the case
            of Marbury v. Madison (1803).”
            “Before the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment (1869), the provisions of
            the Bill of Rights were only applicable to the federal government.
            After the Amendment’s passage, the Supreme Court began ruling that most
            of its provisions were applicable to the states as well.” – uscourts. gov
            Sounds as if the court has usurped authority and given itself powers not granted in the Constitution – which is and of itself unconstitutional.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, judicial review derives from Art III, Sec 2: “In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact.”

            They didn’t just invent law after the passage of the 14th Amendment. They read it:

            “No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA’s laws and constitutions are altogether meaningless apart from the Judeo-Christian value. They’d be just another cases of human rights abuse. Buildings cannot stand apart from the good foundation. No Bible = lawlessness at the core.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            It seems so clear when you put it that way, doesn’t it?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            One would think.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Then how does striking down one law, on one case, in one state make it the law of the land?”

            I don’t know what particular example you’re referring to, if you are talking about one particular one. Obergefell, perhaps? That was the SCOTUS striking down a FEDERAL law, so it’s not a case of “one case, in one state.”

            Other people would probably know this better than I do, but I don’t understand how the Bill of Rights could NOT apply to the state governments. The Supremacy Clause states that the Constitution (and therefore, its amendments as well) is the supreme law of the land, after all. Again, I’m not a lawyer or a legal scholar, so maybe I’m missing something here…

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No it didn’t. Obergefell struck down all state laws and state constitutional amendments forbidding same sex marriage.

          • Croquet_Player

            Acts between consenting adults (gay or straight) are one thing. Minors cannot legally consent to sex. I see no evidence this is likely to change any time soon.

          • Oboehner

            Wait for it…

          • Croquet_Player

            We’ll be in for a very, very long wait.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Still waiting….

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            But the USA is increasing the number of pedophiles greatly everywhere by establishing homosexuality as a way of life. This news is another proof. Secularists are not practical.

          • Croquet_Player

            No Grace, it is not. This is a total falsehood on your part.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is reality. Warped patriotism does not help children, either.

          • Croquet_Player

            Honestly Grace, this is simply total nonsense.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No. Please don’t refuse to think. The correct logic is too clear, and the reality only proves it.

          • Croquet_Player

            “Logic” and “reality” have no relationship to your comments, which are entirely without basis in fact.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Holy Bible is logical and real. Read it. It built the United States of America and gave mankind the truth and wisdom. Americans received everything excellent from the Holy Bible and from the Christian British.

          • Croquet_Player

            I have read the bible. You may lead your life according to whatever religious text you like, but you have no right whatsoever to demand others do the same. Get over yourself.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No you didn’t read the Holy Bible. You don’t remember a thing and it is the same as not-having read it at all. People must carry out the Biblical teachings, or they abuse children by immorality and kill the unborn children and force people to bake perv cakes. American pervs have no right to demand mankind to support immorality, no matter how powerful the USA is. Today’s godless USA is the mega proof that mankind need Christianity to do what is right.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Who is forcing homosexuality on anyone????

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Pedophilia is unrelated to homosexuality in every way.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those who are depraved enough to have lust over the same-sex member, sex with anything is possible to them and that’s what’s happening in Ex-christian West. Post-christian is worse than Pre-christian. Wake up. Intimacy is for one man and one woman under the lifetime marriage covernant alone. All others are sins. “Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.” ( Hebrews 13)

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You are not speaking about actual things that occur, Grace, you are just imagining the worst about people you have been taught to hate. People with same-sex attractions are not looking to have sex with everything they can, that is just you letting your imagination run wild.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. There are news of Western scholars trying to justify pedophilia and of violating the selves and multiple people and animals and robots and oceans. Post-christian is a worse savagery than Pre-christian. Christianity is the only cure for today’s secular West’s evil mental illness. You guys are not smarter than the Holy Bible. No God = No sanity in the West. When will you admit that fact?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Where are you reading this so-called “news”?

            It’s a paranoid schizophrenic world you live in, Grace, where everyone is coming to attack Christian fundamentalists and leading the charge are the pedophiles, liberals and homosexuals. No one is coming to take your Bible away. Just stop beating us over the head with it, ok?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western Europe and North America already prohibits public condemnation of sins. Post-christian West neither has morality or freedom of conscience. You are bullies’ side and do not notice anything.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Maybe stop speaking in slogans and generalizations. I don’t know what “Post-Christian West” is supposed to mean. Morality is subjective – I certainly don’t want yours because you hate far too many people, and “freedom of conscience” is another expression that means nothing.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are the very example of Post-christian Westerner. Morality is objective; man is created in God’s image, and God gave mankind His Word telling us what is right and wrong. I don’t hate anyone; you hate God’s truth and it is your problem. Telling the truth is an act of love, not hate. Freedom of conscience is the right to pursue God’s objective truth and to live it out and is the Christian Western civilization’s foundation. You have received false education from American liberals, and that’s why you don’t know the term. Read the Holy Bible to obtain the truth.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I don’t hate God nor do I hate God’s truth. I VERY MUCH hate what you misinterpret it to be, Grace, you just blather hatred to minorities and are about as opposite to the teachings of Christ as it’s possible for you to be.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christ taught mankind God’s love AND holiness. Christianity condemns homosexuality. Stop bullying the colored Christians for opposing the Western inclination for homosexual immorality in the world.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You are the bully Grace, and you don’t even realize it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Speaking up a truth is not bullying. Why is it okay to you for children to be sacrificed for the sake of upholding sick immorality? De-christianized Western culture is just insane. You guys need Christianity to be human again. The spirit of abortion is in everything in a secular society.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, you guys are demanding Christians to serve perv rituals in the attempt to bend the clear Christian conscience. You guys cannot bully the colored people for having darker skin anymore and now are targetting the Christians for not-confirming to your filthy nudist culture. No slavery to perv Westerners. You guys are the ones who have betrayed the Western values and shaming all your Christian forefathers this century. Enough of atrocities by Western boredom. Read the Holy Bible and get your sanity back.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Find me one person who’s forced a Christian minister to perform a gay marriage ceremony. You won’t find one because they don’t exist. Gay marriages don’t require religious ceremonies, they can be done by the justice of the peace. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about, Grace.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They are attempting it. They already fined and jailed bakers, artists, printers, clerks, and estate-owners for keeping the clear Christian conscience. USA is listed as a religious persecutor this year. Read the news. Know yourself.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No Grace. In churches, no one has to perform gay marriage ceremonies. That’s a place where the church has the right to refuse. It’s only when you start telling gay people they can’t get legally married OUTSIDE of churches that you’re going to have a problem…and rightly so.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. They demand the gentle Christian churches and Christian institutions to accommodate open homosexuality while the double-standareded cowardly liberals never do that to the Muslims or to the Jews. Gay union is not marriage but a sin. To demand the acknowledgement of gay lifestyle as human marriage is a forcible falsehood and a human rights abuse and a child-abuse. Gays need callings for repentance for them to live, not the toxic false endorsement.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No, Grace. You clearly do not understand the separation of church and state. You can oppose homosexuality and gay marriage freely under the roof of your church. Where you can’t do it is out in public where your church has no authority. That is good and right and fair and in no way oppressive and it allows people who feel like you do to gather under the roof of your anti-gay church and oppress to your heart’s content. The problem is when you try to inflict that on the rest of us who want nothing to do with your beliefs.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Sin is sin. Man cannot be separated from the truth or conscience. Maybe you guys got DNA destroyed by polluted waters, but you have no rights to demand homosexuality to be endorsed. Mankind has rights to live out God’s truth and to normality and morality. Perv West is wrong to oppress mankind with its immoral inclination. No slavery. Never again. Sexual decadence is a worse abuse than mere racism. The West hasn’t even rid of racism yet and now this. Read the Holy Bible and regain the truth and humanity.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            Hi Grace. I’ve asked you this on another forum but maybe you didn’t see it or just chose not to reply. I’m curious as to where you are from?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I did. North-eastern Asia. I’m mixed in multiple ways.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            OK. There will be so many replies & if I miss a day or day, I get backed up & behind. Thanks for replying.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Sure. You are American, right? I feel USA is my true home country because American forefathers such as George Washington and Abraham Lincoln are my heroes, but I never claim to be American because I’m not. ^ ^ Praying for USA!

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            I’m in the modern-day Sodom & Gomorrah of California, USA. I’m originally from North Carolina & have only been here for 1 1/2 years because of my husband’s job. Once he’s retired, if my boys don’t begin their families here, I’m out of here.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I see. Hopefully, the Muslim population will slow down the insane sodomization of secular nations. So glad Western liberals do not persecute the Muslims. I always wonder why the Western liberals are quiet about the Muslims’ violences against their likes in Islamic land but persecute the local Christians for refusing to bake the perv cakes. What kind of education is going on? Don’t we have freedom to reject sexual immorality in the West?

            I feel crimes of racism being committed against the Christians in the secular West. They rant equality and non-discrimination, but they treat colored people in the same category with sexual immoral people, bending the truth and putting us all down. Western Christians must counter this racist slavery from the powerful white liberals. American pervs should stop forcing homosexuality; they think they are powerful and every Earthling should obey them or something when they are doing evil.

          • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

            In America, everything goes. It’s all about tolerance – Except Christianity of course. Everyone has the freedom of speech – again except Christians. You let us stand up for 1 single right & we get blasted. A football coach takes a knee in prayer with his ball team to pray & he gets fired. The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is demanding an Air Force major be “aggressively punished” for having an open Bible on his desk. As you’ve already mentioned, Christians get sued out of business if they stand on their rights. A Catholic hospital is being sued for not giving a lady a transsexual operation & the list goes on.

            We have made a little lead way in the area of abortions & Planned Parenthood. Many have been shut down & funding taken away which is a huge step but the fight there continues.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I know it’s very weird. It seems like the evil has gotten hold of USA and other Western nations this century. Who knew any nationality would oppress the peoples by imposing abnormal immorality? We must keep speaking up the truth, in order not to repeat the German churches.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, I guess you did really say “robots”…..

            Please, show me this “news” of people violating robots. I was about to say that sounds like some weird sci-fi movie, but I don’t think I’ve even seen that in any sci-fi movie….

            And “violating oceans”? What does that even mean? Polluting?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, it’s CNN news. Regarding oceans, it’s New Agers. It’s quite messed up. Children of Sodom. You guys need Christian education to be proper. Read Revelation.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I still have absolutely no idea what the heck you are talking about. CNN said humans are molesting robots? And what do “New Agers” have to do with oceans? How it is even possible for someone to “violate” the oceans? How have I been insulting anybody, let alone dead people??

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Google and do your work. Read news from Christian sites. The last point is on the popularity of zombies. Secularists insult even dead people.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Read news from Christian sites? You mean like this one? I’ve seen nothing about robots here, sorry. All I found about robots on CNN (since you said it was “CNN news” after all) was a few stories about things like possible future ethical dilemmas and such….also one speculating about a future of “sex robots”….hmm. maybe that’s what you’re talking about? A few things about that you seem to be missing: 1) they don’t actually exist, and 2) we don’t know how to create a truly sentient artificial intelligence, maybe it will never be possible. So, worrying about what a “perv human” would do to a robot is like worrying about what one would do to, say, a toaster, or a vacuum cleaner. Sure, it’s something that people shouldn’t do, but no one’s concerned about the toaster’s feelings, okay?

            And by the way, I never did quite understand why zombies are so popular these days myself. It’s hardly anything new, though…people are always fascinated by the macabre, I suppose. (I’m a fan of HP Lovecraft, but I guess you don’t read that sort of thing…lol)

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Without the Christian virtues, men misuse and abuse both human beings and machines. The kids do not honor God therefore disrespect their parents, police officers, dead people… respecting no one and nothing. Not even their home country. Didn’t secular West desire to teach humanity to respect fellow humans? When humans do not respect God, respect does not exist. I hope Westerners would stop thinking they are smarter than the Holy Bible. So destructive to everyone on Earth. Germany was down and the USA is next. How many more nations must repeat the atrocity by oppressing the Christianity? How many wars and victims are enough? You guys need some sane morality. Please stop being bored.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Blade Runner was a movie. It was fiction. Sentient androids aren’t real. Movies aren’t real.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You missed the whole point. It is reality that men and women abuse even robots in a very shameful way. If they violate even robots, what evil can’t they do? Planet Earth will have God’s justice very soon.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I missed the point? What IS your point? Your example was completely fictional.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA forces and funds blasphemy and infanticide and homosexuality and transgenderism and pedophilia and nudism upon the world, going absolutely against the nation’s creation purpose. Ex-christian Western powers need to repent or get reduced for the good of mankind. You guys need Christian education to be humane and civilized. Make the Christian education legal and free. Stop persecuting the Christians for opposing immorality. That was the point.

      • TheKingOfRhye

        “On top of this, no one would protect animals and robots from human pervs…”

        Robots? Did you really say “robots”???

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Yes, robots. It must be really the Endtime. I hope AI could compute things for humanity and also themselves correctly and keep everyone’s honor by rejecting the perv human masters.

    • Jenny Ondioline

      It is ridiculous to think that pedophilia would ever be legalized. There is simply no way to justify the sexual abuse of minors – nobody would stand for it.

      • 2tor

        Umm, you might want to look at what California just passed, legalizing pedos.

        • Jenny Ondioline

          I did. Just because someone classifies it as a type of attraction doesn’t mean they’re going to legalize the abuse of children.

          • 2tor

            Then you should read it again, legalizing underage prostitution is pure pedophilia

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Except no one is talking about legalizing it. No one.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          I don’t know what “legalizing pedos” means, but you’re probably referring to SB 1322, which forbids police from arresting child prostitutes. It does NOT legalize adults visiting or soliciting child prostitutes.

        • Croquet_Player

          You are making an enormous mistake. This is a great new law, long overdue, that prevents minors from being arrested as prostitutes. The vast majority of child and teen prostitutes are forced into it by predatory adults. They are victims of horrible criminals, and then they were victims again of the criminal justice system. It made minors afraid to go to the police and actually aided their abusers. “You can’t call the cops, you’ll be arrested too.” Imagine being fourteen years old, forced into prostitution, and being unable to seek help because you’ll be arrested as a criminal too? Appalling in the extreme. It is still illegal to solicit or force a minor into prostitution, as it obviously should be. It is wonderful that child victims of trafficking now have nothing to fear by contacting the police or social services for help. This new law will put a huge dent in sexual abuse.

      • libertynottyranny

        Says the same crowd (30 yrs ago) that said “it’s ridiculous to think ‘marriage’ would ever be between two people of the same sex…that doesn’t even make sense, what would be the point?…” or that “its reduculous to think…that anatomical males would be free to use the ladies room” … WISEUP! there have been plenty that ‘think it’ and some groups even advocating it (check out NAMBLA) – you just choose to ignore them or call them ‘the extreme’, but todays extreme is tomorrow’s norm in this sick & degenerative society.

        Look around you, how can you be so utterly blind?

        These two perverted pedophiles had the gall to intentionally lure & take advantage of underage boys & claim “nobody was ‘hurt'”…”all ‘consented'” (after plying w/ drugs & alcohol…the sick). Yada yada yada.

        & the best part is they even admitted “some ‘will paint them as monsters…'”, meaning they KNEW what they were doing was wrong, if not in Gods eyes (having their consciences seared), at a minimum in the eyes of current law – but yet justifying & excusing their wicked deeds. (& by ‘some’ they were also implying, I guess, that the ‘others’ – the “non haters” would not?).

        So Jenny, are you in the “some” who paint these two as monsters or are you on the other side, that these “fellas” were simply ‘misunderstood’ LGBTQRSUPMNOXYZ-somethings looking for ‘love’? Or do you just need 15 more yrs to think about it &/or see where the “rest of the crowd goes”?

        • Jenny Ondioline

          I sometimes wonder why some of you respond to my posts without reading them.

          There might be scientific findings left and right over the next couple of years that show pedophilia to be something that occurs “naturally.” I really have no idea. I’m not a psychologist. But that wasn’t my comment.

          My comment was that no matter how many scientific findings they come up with, NOBODY is ever going to allow pedophilia to be legalized, because we are not monsters. NO ONE is going to allow some innocent child to be corrupted sexually merely because the adult in question has been given any kind of free pass. It’s not going to happen. Who do you think takes NAMBLA seriously anyway?

          If the two men in this story did what the story says, then they are sick monsters. I DEFY you to find someone who would say otherwise, whether they are gay or straight.

          Science might be trying to understand the pedophile mind more – nothing wrong with that – but even if they are found to be pure as the driven snow, no one’s going to allow them to sexually abuse children, and if you think otherwise then you’re out of your mind.

          • libertynottyranny

            Sorry, it is you that is out of your mind. Listen to what you are saying “science may find that it is natural” “they may be studying it & that’s a good thing” (which it will – that is how these things have always gone), but when it does find it to be ‘natural’ that somehow “no one is going to say it is okay”.

            Yet that is the VERY argument that the LGBQRS & transgendersexualisticcism crowd is making to justify the use of the ladies room & apparently “nobody” (especially the nobodies like you & the pols & judges) ARE listening saying: “it is OK.”

            I read your post, so if no one apparently understands what you are saying, perhaps it is you that has the communication problem. Perhaps English is your 2nd language. Here’s a tip: When you state “nobody”, that means “no one”. NAMBLA includes not nobody, but somebody’s & they aren’t alone (google NAMBLA & ACLU). You simply marginalizing them does not eliminate their threat.

            Furthermore, there have been many societies in the past where pediphelia was an accepted practice – it wasn’t until Christianity spread across the heathen world that these types of practices became outlawed. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

            Unbelievable. Where has discernment gone?

          • libertynottyranny

            Sorry, it is you that is out of your mind. Listen to what you are stating: “science may find that it is natural” (which it will – that is how these things have always gone), & “studying it is a good thing”, yet when it does come out & state that it is “natural” that somehow “no one is going to say it is okay”.

            Yet that is the VERY argument that the LGBQRS & transgendersexualisticcism crowd is making to justify the use of the ladies room & apparently “nobody” (especially the nobodies like you & the pols & judges) ARE listening saying: “it is OK.”

            I read your posts, so if no one apparently understands what you are saying, perhaps it is you that has the communication problem. Is English is your 2nd language? Here’s a tip: When you state “nobody”, that means “no one”. NAMBLA includes not nobody, but somebody’s & they aren’t alone (google NAMBLA & ACLU). You simply marginalizing them does not eliminate their threat.

            Furthermore, there have been many societies in the past where pediphelia was an accepted practice – it wasn’t until Christianity spread across the heathen world that these types of practices became outlawed. But keep sticking your head in the sand.

            Unbelievable. Where has discernment gone?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Sorry, you’re obviously suffering from some kind of basic understanding issues.

            What science finds out about pedophilia, is irrelevant, OK? The point is NO ONE is ever going to say “OK, everyone, the ban’s lifted, go have sex with as many children as you like because it’s OK now.” NOBODY will ever allow that. Do you not understand that? NO ONE, not even the most liberal organization you’d care to name, would want that never mind say it was all right. Because NO ONE is going to allow the sexual abuse of children. Ever.

            That, like everything else I’ve written, has been in perfect English and so you have NO excuse for misunderstanding it.

            Pedophilia was not a “societal norm” that was made better by Christians, either. If you don’t know about the child abuse scandals going on in the church, you must be living under a rock.

          • libertynottyranny

            You’re the one living under the rock (head in the sand). You have a 15 second memory & no clue about human nature nor history. Modern liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

            You can click your heels & say “no one is going to accept it” all you want, but this isn’t OZ & you will live to eat those words. (Your persistence delusion to insist “no one” thinks it should be okay, in spite of the existence of groups like NAMBLA, is a testament to that fact). Or, more likely, your “thinking will evolve” & you’ll throw in w/ the rest of the debauchery & pseudoscience crowd. Just give it 10-20 yrs.

          • libertynottyranny

            Modern liberalism is truly a mental disorder. You have no clue about human nature nor history.

            You can click your heels & say “no one is going to accept it” all you want, but this isn’t OZ & you will live to eat those words. (Your persistence delusion to insist “no one” thinks it should be okay, in spite of the existence of groups like NAMBLA & the continual slide into ever increasing moral morass of society, is a testament to that fact).

            Or, more likely, your “thinking will evolve” & you’ll throw in w/ the rest of the debauchery & pseudoscience crowd when it becomes the next “politically correct” frontier b/c “they were born that way” & the “age of consent” gets redefined. Just give it 10-20 yrs.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You know as well as I do that if anyone ever gave the official OK to allow pedophiles to abuse children, they would be instantly demonized by everyone on the planet.

            I mean, what is it you’re REALLY trying to say here? That there is a worldwide conspiracy afoot created by homosexuals to allow pedophiles to abuse children? That’s crazy on about 15 levels, not least of which that homosexuals would never want to see kids hurt.

          • libertynottyranny

            Jenny wrote: “… not least of which that homosexuals would never want to see kids hurt.”

            Do you mean ‘no harm’ like the two homosexuals in this article? Is that b/c the “gay rights activists” (the adult homosexuals & leaders of their movement) made the declaration that the underage minors they molested were “willing participants”? Or b/c they declared that “They do not believe that they did any harm”?

            The most interesting thing about the facts Jenny, is that they do not care about your feelings…

          • libertynottyranny

            Jenny wrote: “… not least of which that homosexuals would never want to see kids hurt.”

            Do you mean ‘no harm’ like in the case of the two homosexuals in this article?

            Is that b/c the ‘gay rights activists’ (the adult homosexuals & leaders of their movement – advocating for ‘the kids’ I’m sure) made the declaration that the underage minors they molested were “willing participants”? Or b/c they declared that they “do not believe that they did any harm”?

            The most interesting thing about the facts Jenny is that they do not care about your feelings…

            PS Coward! can’t handle the message, so you keep flagging it as spam? That’s okay, b/c you’re intellectually weak & dishonest, so you have nothing better.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I haven’t flagged anything you have written. I don’t believe in censorship.

            What you’re trying to do here is make these two reprobates somehow representative of all homosexuals. That’s pathetic and dishonest. How would you like it if all Christians were judged by the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church?

          • libertynottyranny

            Well, some cowardly weasel is following this discussion – obviously part of the “saintly” homosexual lobby you keep speaking of.

            So now you are worried about painting entire groups w/ a broad brush (that, after throwing all Christendom under the bus as pediphiles – as if the actions of certain RC priests, in violation of their own RCC doctrine, represents all Christians & has the tacit approval of Jesus Christ).

            Maybe if you read the Bible you might realize that what those priests have done is not only called sin, but a gross abomination, & in no way do they represent Jesus Christ or His bride, which is called the Church (body of faithful believers – not a building nor organization, but the truly converted, sinners washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ shed at Calvary).

            All I was doing was pointing out an obvious contradiction in your statement of endless homosexual virtue. I didn’t, nor do I state that all homosexuals are child molesters. Conversely they aren’t all altruistic either.

            What they all are, however, are sinners. They are practicing a sin that the Word of God calls an abomination, an unnatural act. (I won’t argue w/ you about what “psychology” says b/c your argument is w/ the God of the Bible, not me – so take it up w/ Him. If you seek Him earnestly, you will find Him, that is His promise).

            That doesn’t mean they (HS) need to be rounded up, nor does it give license to otherwise harm someone caught up in that lifestyle (so long as they are not harming others, e.g. as the two in this article).

            What it means is they need the gospel, they need a savior who is capable of releasing them from the bondage of their sin (as Christ said & the New Testament writers wrote – even addressing similar circumstances for the Greek & Roman cultures of the day were very promiscuous). There is only one such candidate in the history of mankind that fits the profile, Jesus Christ. Church can’t save you, “science” can’t save you, man can’t save you. Only God can through His death for our sins, burial, & resurrection. Jesus did just that as foretold in the ancient Hebrew Scriptures.

          • libertynottyranny

            Apologies, I did not mean to accuse you specifically of deleting the post, but rather whomever it is – someone following this discussion – obviously part of the “saintly” homosexual lobby we are in disagreement over. I should have been more clear.

            So now you are worried about painting entire groups w/ a broad brush. Good. But, did you not throw all Christendom under the bus as molesters – b/c of the actions of certain RC priests, in violation of their own RCC doctrine – much more the Word of God? That their abhorrent behavior represents all Christians & has the tacit approval of Jesus Christ?

            The Bible calls what those “priests” have done not only sin, but a gross abomination, & in no way do they represent Jesus Christ or His Church (body of faithful believers – not a building, or organization – but the truly converted, sinners washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ shed at Calvary). In fact, Christ said that it would be better for a man to be drowned w/ a millstone tied around his neck than for him to lead astray a little one (Matthew 18:6, Mark 9:42, Luke 17:2) – so you are in very good company when it comes to absolute disdain of child abuse.

            To your point, I’m sorry you took it that way. All I was trying to do was point out an obvious contradiction in your statement of endless homosexual virtue. I didn’t, nor do I, state that all homosexuals are child molesters. Conversely they aren’t all altruistic either.

            What they all are, however, are sinners – just like me, you, & the rest of fallen humanity. The difference is, as a society, we celebrate their sin, rather than recognize that it needs repenting of before God. They are practicing a sin that the Word of God calls an abomination, an unnatural act. (I won’t argue w/ you about what psychology says b/c your argument is w/ the God of the Bible, not me – so take it up w/ Him. If you seek Him earnestly, you will find Him, that is His promise -proverbs 8:17, Jeremiah 29:13).

            This does NOT mean they (HS) need to be rounded up, etc., nor does it give license to otherwise harm someone caught up in that lifestyle (so long as they are not harming others, e.g. as the two in this article).

            What it means is they, just like the rest of humanity, need salvation – which comes by hearing & believing the Word of the living God (as Christ said & the New Testament writers wrote – even addressing similar circumstances, for the Greek & Roman cultures of the day were very promiscuous – even more so than today). A God more powerful than the bondage of their sin, a God Who visited humanity in the likeness of a man, Who is familiar w/ all our pains & grief, Who sacrificed Himself – baring our sins on the cross, having fulfilled the righteous requirements of the Law – that no sinful man is capable of doing – in order to set us free from all sin & reunite mankind in a right relationship w/ his/her creator.

            Christ came that we might know the truth & the truth would set us free – free from all debts against a Holy, Righteous God. He did not come to judge us, but to save us (John 12:44-50). Those that believe & confess that Christ died for their sins & rose from the dead WILL BE SAVED (Romans 10:9-13, 1st Corinthians 15:1-4) & they will not see the 2nd death (Revelation 21:8) – for it is appointed unto man once to die & then the judgement (Hebrews 9:27-28).

            True belief results in repentance – for you CANNOT have a saving encounter w/ the Living God & not have a different attitude towards one’s own sin nor a different attitude toward other sinners (for WE ALL, like sheep, have gone astray & it is God’s kindness that leads us to repentance, not His wrath – Isaiah 53:6, Romans 2:4-11).

            As a society, we have turned our collective backs on our Creator and as a result we at war w/ one another, divided like we haven’t been since perhaps this nations founding, & we are reaping what we have sowed. Only a return to a proper fear of the Living God can save this society from collapse under the weight of its sin.

            As Jesus said in Matthew 10:28 “do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”

          • Oboehner

            “That’s okay, b/c you’re intellectually weak & dishonest, so you have nothing better.” I’ve noticed, there is no original thought only “it’s true because so and so said it”

          • Ambulance Chaser

            What point, exactly, are you trying to make here?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You know as well as I do that if anyone ever gave the official OK to allow two people of the same sex to marry, or homosexuals in the military, or transgenders in the military, or boys to play on girls sports teams and showing with them, or parents to allow their little 7yo and 8yo boys and girls to make their own decisions about what gender they are (which IS to abuse children!), they would be instantly demonized by everyone on the planet.

            Oops! Guess not.

            “not least of which that homosexuals would never want to see kids hurt”.

            Oops! Guess not!!! Better pull your head outta your sex and read the flippin’ story, Jen!!!!!! And while you’re at it, do a little Google search and find out what other kind of stuff they did and the comments they made!!!

            You’re just as sick as they are because you deny these horrors and by not outright condemning these acts for what they are, you’re just as evil and just as guilty as if you had done them yourself.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Mind telling me what (on earth) you’re talking about?
            Please, humor me. Tell me what your “oops guess nots” refer to, because I read the story over and over and I’m not seeing ANYTHING about homosexuals looking to abuse children. Nowhere.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I suggest getting your eyes checked AND doing the Google search I mentioned. Look for the articles put out by the local newspaper from the police reports.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You have one job, Royce. And you’re failing at it. You’ve been told to explain how homosexual groups are endorsing pedophilia. You haven’t provided a single link.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I’m not failing at anything but you have. YOU are the one who said, ‘There is simply no way to justify the sexual abuse of minors – nobody would stand for it.”

            Now you’re backtracking when NAMBLA was brought up. You obviously didn’t look into the IGLA either that I gave you.

            Now, feel free to go back to your Denial.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Not backtracking a single thing I’ve said. No one’s on board with NAMBLA and no one endorses the sexual abuse of children. And that’s already more than is relevant to this conversation which is all about you trying to demonize homosexuals as being pedophiles which is disgusting and sickening and about as unlike anything Jesus would ever have done.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Thank you again for completely discrediting yourself. No one’s on board with NAMBLA? Better check their membership roles. And again, if you weren’t so lazy and so ardent about simply trying to put forth your lies, you would do a simple Google search and find the truth.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            From RationalWiki: “An investigator reported that NAMBLA had around 1100 members in 1995,
            but it has been estimated that its membership has dwindled to a handful
            who run its website as the internet has provided pedophiles with venues
            perceived to bear less legal risk than a NAMBLA membership. While NAMBLA is a real, albeit miniscule group, it has become the brunt
            of jokes, as well as a target frequently named in the context of moral panics
            over a purported child sexual abuse epidemic. This is so much so that
            most NAMBLA sightings these days may be parodists, and NAMBLA’s
            remaining function may be as a “honey pot” for monitoring potential
            child predators.”

            You see? That’s how you provide facts, and debunk lies at the same time, Royce.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh, that’s your authoritative source?! Thank you!!

            So, no. That’s not how you provide facts. That’s how you prove yourself to be a Liar.

            Let’s look at another Wikipedia source. Even though Wikipedia can’t be considered an authoritative, reliable, trustworthy source, I’ll use it just to prove your own attempts to deceive:

            “The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age-of-consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors[2][3] and campaigns for the release of men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.[2][4] The group no longer holds regular national meetings, and as of the late 1990s—to avoid local police infiltration—the organization discouraged the formation of local chapters.[4][5] Around 1995, an undercover detective discovered there were 1,100 people on the organization’s rolls.[4] In 1997, NAMBLA was the largest group in IPCE, an international pro-pedophile activist organization.[6] Since then, the organization has dwindled to only a handful of people, with many members joining online pedophile networks such as DanPedo, BoyChat, and Annabelleigh, according to Xavier Von Erck, director of operations at the anti-pedophile organization Perverted-Justice.[7] As of 2005, a newspaper report stated that NAMBLA was based in New York and San Francisco.[4]”

            Evidence that some of the above is at least true can be found by Googling “FBI Seizes NAMBLA List During Search”. So all the perverts haven’t gone away. They’ve just gone to other organizations where they can engage in their perversions without being so easily recognizable by the FBI and other law officials.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Try reading it again. It’s not that much of a stretch to understand.

            But that you can’t “see” is of no surprise.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Don’t ask me to read it again. I’ve done that. This one’s on you now. You’re being asked to provide one thing. Provide it, or admit you are wrong.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The best predictor of the future is the past. That’s why you can’t “see” the pattern. You’d rather refuse to read the pattern and “see” it. Instead you choose to live in Denial.

            But that will come to a stop one day too.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            There IS no pattern. You want people to believe that homosexuals endorse pedophilia, and that’s a hate-based statement that has no truth in the past, present or future.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for once again showing your in Denial and delusional. Anyone with a rational mind can see the pattern. Just like the pattern of you continuing to come back and offer nothing but Denial and ad hominem. For you to continue to come back into a public forum and in black and white letters deny that NAMBLA is a group of Homosexuals that endorse Pedophilia is, well, not only mind boggling and delusional but downright scary! Yes Virginia, there truly are people like this walking the streets.

            When something is standing right in front of you and you deny it’s there, you really need to seek some help.

            And I know the One who can help you!

          • Jenny Ondioline

            If there’s a pattern you’re very welcome to share it. Any speck, any shred of truth, but you can never quite manage to deliver on that one problematic little item, can you? And the reason for that is that there’s no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia. Lying for Jesus is still lying.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            How old are you? Am I talking to a Kindergartner? The patter was clearly delineated above. Evidently you’re so quick to spout off at the mouth and spew more nonsense that you don’t even take the time to read what was written.

            I delivered just fine. The problem is that there’s nobody on the other end to pick up the delivery.

            As for truth and lying, I’ll stand on what God says. I know Jesus and He knows me. Jesus is the Truth. And Jesus says you are a Liar because you are of your father, Satan, who is the father of all lies and the Truth is NOT in you.

            Now, got anymore empty rhetoric you wanna spew? I think from here on out I’ll just start quoting Scripture to you. We’ll see how long you last with that.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Watch your step around here…..these slopes are getting awfully slippery.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Sorry, you’re obviously suffering from some kind of basic understanding issues.

            Perhaps that has to do with your phony faux omniscience and ridiculous God-complex where you think you can speak for everyone else on the planet.

            Do you not understand that??????????

            For goodness sake, WAKE UP and realize there are MANY things happening today that not all that long ago the majority of folks would’ve said, “NOBODY will ever allow that!”

            SMH…

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Was there a point in all your hyper-dramatic posturing there?
            While you’re SMHing, maybe you could find me what I asked for, which is a homosexual group, organization, etc. who is looking for the systematic abuse of children by pedophiles?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Hyper-dramatic posturing? Is that the best ya can do?

            Maybe while you’re busy flinging fiery darts and ad hominem instead of facing facts, you could be a little less lazy and actually do some research on your own.

            Btw, NAMBLA has already been mentioned a couple of times on here. Are you so dense as to not even know what they are and what they advocate for? Look ’em up!! And while you’re at it, do a little research into the early Homosexual literature that came out from a variety of sources and organizations,. There was MUCH said at the beginning of how important it was to their survival and acceptance to get to the kiddos first.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No one’s trying to pretend NAMBLA isn’t being mentioned. What we ARE trying to do is determine why you think anyone takes them seriously. Find me ANYBODY, never mind a homosexual group, who has anything good to say about NAMBLA. That’s the issue here. You keep making NAMBLA out to be this highly endorsed organization. They aren’t.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You did deny NAMBLA until it was brought to your attention. I’m not finding you anything. I’ll exercise Matt. 7:6. You don’t think I know that no matter what evidence I come back with you’d just deny it? Duh!

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Never denied NAMBLA once. Want to talk about the KKK while we’re at it, since we’re on the subject of organizations not endorsed by anyone else?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, you did. Thanks for continuing to show you’re in Denial and you’re delusional. I hope you’ll seek some help for that. As for the KKK, typical ploy of distraction and diversion. Seen it many times before.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No, I never once shied away from NAMBLA’s existence. They are a joke and not endorsed by anyone, not even the homosexuals you insist endorse them, which is the crux of the matter here – your biggest lie.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yup. You did. The comment is still there and I even cited it again above.

            Thank you. You just keep digging your own hole deeper and deeper.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You didn’t. Because it’s not there.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. It is. Best get your eyes or your computer checked. They’re still showing.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No, NAMBLA is a joke and always has been and I would have no reason to deny it. And I didn’t. Honesty is not your strong suit.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            It’s only a joke now that it’s been brought to your attention and you did deny it. Honesty is not your strong suit, Denial is though,.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You are welcome to point out where, in my own words, I pretended NAMBLA did not exist.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I already did. Twice now.

            Thank you. Your inability to track and your obvious delusion and state of Denial becomes increasingly more prevalent with each post you make.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I think it’s pretty clear what’s going on here. You’re not interested in truth, you’re interested in misrepresenting it to spread hate and lies, and even worse, you’re doing it in the name of Jesus. So I’m done talking to you, so why don’t you run along like a good little Christian supremacist? And don’t forget to do what we ALL know you’re going to do, which is crow about your victory when you and I both know you’ve just lied every step of the way. Bye.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I think it’s pretty clear what’s going on here. You’re not interested in truth, you’re interested in misrepresenting it to spread hate and lies, and even worse, you’re doing it on a CHRISTIAN site. So I’m done talking to you, so why don’t you run along like a good little atheist supremacist? And don’t forget to do what we ALL know you’re going to do, which is crow about your victory when you and I both know you’ve just lied every step of the way. Buh Bye.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Where has discernment gone?”

            Out the window. Right along with God. It’s now Proverbs 14:12 and all the passages which say “every man did what was right in his own eyes”.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No. It’s still there. But it is always terribly skewed by religious fundamentalists.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Oh yeah, it’s the religious fundamentalists that are skewed! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! I absolutely love it when the spiritually-dead pundits completely discredit themselves.

            You’re not gonna find anymore more religious and fundamentalist than Jesus Christ. I’m quite happy that you would include me in with Him!!

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Jesus was about kindness and tolerance and forgiveness. Quite the opposite of what you seem to be about.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            It’s always best when folks don’t try and talk about somebody or something they know absolutely NOTHING about. And that would be the case with you and Jesus.

            However, should you ever come to the point where you would like to trade being a slave to your sin and surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ, I’ll be happy to tell you how to do so.

            And btw, that same Jesus that you think was all about kindness and tolerance and forgiveness is the same Jesus that says He is going to hurl you into the Lake of Fire where you will spent Eternity in torment.

            Wouldn’t you rather come to know the real Jesus before you meet Him face to face?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You’re not exactly the best ambassador for Jesus when you lie about homosexuals.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Given that you don’t have one iota of a clue who Jesus is, and that you are the one who’s been telling the lies, just like your father Satan, I’ll take that as a compliment and remind you that it’s best not to talk about subjects you have NO idea whatsoever what you’re talking about. You don’t know Jesus, have NO clue who He really is, and therefore would have NO clue what an ambassador of Jesus would look like.

            But hey, thanks for continuing to discredit yourself.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Satan’s only real in your mind, don’t be accusing me of any kind of superstition, that’s entirely your department. As I said, lying for Jesus is still lying. And I speak the verifiable truth.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Once again you lie and your faux omniscience comes to the surface.

            Satan is ever bit as real as Jesus. And you wouldn’t know the Truth if He was standing right in front of you.

            I appreciate you providing another example from the spiritually-dead, reprobate mind that follows the prince of power of the air.

            “And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath” (Eph. 2:1-4)

          • Darryl Lindsey

            Isn’t it strange that there was no outcry or protest of disgust from the lgbtqxyz when the Jerry Sandusky & the Penn State debauchery incident went down. We all know why of course…now dont we?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Did you expect them to make a statement as one organized group or something?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your comment is perfectly understood and your failure to realize what LNT above said is reflective of one who does not understand the concept and doctrine of Total Depravity.

            LNT is spot on when he says that 30yrs ago nobody would’ve ever thought Homosexuals would be marching in the streets of America parading the most vile and vulgar stuff. Let alone redefining Marriage.

            Like he said… WAKE UP!!

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You fire lots of insults and shake your head a lot and make a huge production, but you’re woefully short on facts. I ask – for the umpteenth time – what homosexual group is trying to get the systematic sexual abuse of children legalized? Try to answer without the usual hyperbole, please.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Didn’t fire any insults. Simply stated truths. If you find that insulting, that’s your problem. Just as it is your problem that you’re not amazed and disgusted by what’s going on around you.

            And I’m not the one short on facts. You can ask umpteen more times and you’re gonna get the same answer. Matt. 7:6. I’m not wasting my time on anyone who has asked that question, been given NAMBLA as an example, and then totally discounts them as being a legit answer!!! But just show you know there is more than NAMBLA, you can look into the ILGA too.

            Or you can choose to just ignore the truth and remain in the dark. Which would be the norm. (John 3:19-20)

          • Jenny Ondioline

            NAMBLA exists, and that’s been acknowledged, but since when is NAMBLA supported by homosexuals? That’s the part you always leave out. You are TRYING to link homosexuals to pedophiles and it’s just not gonna work because they haven’t got a THING in common, and no homosexual group of ANY stripe would ever endorse NAMBLA. NO ONE endorses NAMBLA.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “NO ONE endorses NAMBLA.” LOL

            Yeah right. Except all those Homosexuals who are members.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Which statistically would be about 1 percent, the rest being heterosexuals. You haven’t thought this argument through very well, have you?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Prove that statement!!! Or show yourself as just another bloviator that spouts off at the mouth with statistics they can’t back up.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            What an utter joke your posts are, and how thoroughly they show how strongly you are lying. The phrase NAMBLA doesn’t even come up ONCE in any of those blurbs! No, YOU HAVE NOT thought this through very well, and now that you’ve painted yourself into a corner it’s pretty clear you are grasping for any straws you can find.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            What an utter joke your posts are, and how thoroughly they show how strongly you are lying. The phrase NAMBLA does come up more than ONCE in those blurbs! No, YOU HAVE NOT thought this through very well, and now that you’ve painted yourself into a corner it’s pretty clear you are grasping for any straws you can find.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I loaded up your post and searched for NAMBLA. Nothing came up. That makes you a liar, not me.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I loaded up your posts and searched for NAMBLA. Nothing came up. That makes you a liar, not me.

      • Whiteguy

        A judge out west a few years ago nearly gutted the polygamy laws. He had a case where there was only one marriage license and the other wives were just wives in name only and so no law was technically broke.

        All it takes is a worm lawyer to find a crack and who knows what happens. NAMBLA exists out in the open. How come their membership list has not been confiscated by law enforcement?

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Because all they’re doing is saying they support it, not that they actively take part. Just like you can be a white supremacist that supports killing people who aren’t white as long as you don’t actually kill them yourself.

          • Whiteguy

            How nice of you to be the judge when you do not even know me.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I meant “you” informally in the example. I don’t think you are a white supremacist.

  • Max

    This is typical There is a long long list of male “couples” who have ADOPTED boys and used them for sex, even handing them over to their friends to prey on. If this isn’t evil, nothing is.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      The society who leaves them alone is just as guilty.

      • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

        Can I ask where you are from?

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          I’m from north-eastern Asia. Mixed.

    • Jenny Ondioline

      And a much longer list of straight couples who did exactly the same thing. An evil act regardless of the orientation of the people who did it.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    There irony in this story is indescribable and almost unbelievable. Almost.

    “the letter mailed to their parents outlined that they were concerned that information regarding search of their home would become public and some would consequently “paint them as monsters, but we are not.””

    Not monsters? Then why not face the consequences of your actions? No, the horror of facing the Truth was worse that killing themselves. That speaks pretty well as to whether or not they were “monsters”.

    Then there’s the irony in: “preferred to choose their “own destinies rather than experience the hatred and inevitable loss of freedom that the justice system would give.””

    Yeah, well, they found out real quick just how much control they had and over their destiny now! So rather than face the justice here they now get to face it forever in eternal torment in the Lake of Fire. Now there’s a great choice!

    As for the school’s ““As a school district, we strive to provide a safe and secure learning environment for our students””, sorry folks, that’s not very comforting and sure don’t provide much solace for the future!

    Maybe the school will think twice before they decide to make another person that God says is an evil reprobate a teacher.

    Society has made it the norm and perfectly acceptable to put folks who practice all sorts of perversions and sexual immorality in positions that influence children. We are only beginning to see the consequences of that.

  • Croquet_Player

    These men sexually abused minors. This is a criminal act, and rightly so. The fact that they were gay has nothing to do with it. We should all be very concerned about the sexual abuse of minors. The fact is, the evidence shows that being gay or straight makes you no more or less likely to commit sexual abuse against minors. Unfortunately, gender does. Men are overwhelmingly more likely to commit abuse than women. This is not to say women never abuse minors, they certainly do. But they do so at far lower rates than men do. And this is true regardless of sexual orientation.

    We also should also make very clear what we mean when we discuss “pedophilia”. It’s an absolutely horrifying topic, but we must confront it head-on. True “pedophiles” are those who are attracted to children who have not reached sexual maturity. This means children aged 10 or younger. Often much younger. And these pedophiles show little regard for the gender of the children. They abuse both boys and girls. “Hebephilia” is an attraction for those aged around 11-14. And “Ephebophilia” is an attraction to those around 15-19. These are important distinctions, not to excuse anyone from criminal liability, but to understand what we’re really dealing with. I imagine that most would agree with me when I say that no one should be engaging in any sort of sexual behavior with underage minors. It is criminal behavior, no one is in favor of it, and it should rightly be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Having said that, we have to get our laws sorted out that so a young couple aged 15 and 18 don’t get prosecuted as pornography sex traffickers for sending each other racy photos of each other on their phones, and have to register as sexual predators for the rest of their lives.

    • Jason Todd

      In other words, homosexuals cannot be child sex predators.

      Explain NAMBLA, smart guy.

      • Croquet_Player

        If you’ll kindly re-read what I actually wrote, that isn’t what I said at all. And I’m not a guy.

        • Jason Todd

          The fact that they were gay has nothing to do with it.

          It has everything to do with it.

          Explain NAMBLA.

          • Croquet_Player

            NAMBLA is a group that advocated the abolishment of laws prohibiting sex with underage boys. At their height, they numbered around 1,100 people at most. They were widely condemned by all mainstream LGBT groups, child-protection advocacy groups, and basically pretty much everyone in general, and quite rightly so. Apparently their numbers have plummeted, and in the last decade, they appear to no longer be active. They may be compared to the FLDS church, whose members advocated “plural marriage” often to girls as young as thirteen. Their leader, Warren Jeffs, is now serving life in prison for rape of underage girls. You are trying to suggest that gay people are more likely than straight people to abuse minors, and all studies have shown that this is not true. Gay people and straight people abuse children at identical rates. Neither is more or less likely to commit abuse. It should be noted that the FLDS church is still active. If you are concerned about sexual abuse of children, as we all should be, then you should know that men commit far more abuse than women, and because straight men outnumber gay men by approximately 95% to 5% of the population of males, the vast majority of sexual abuse is committed by straight men against underage girls.

          • Jason Todd

            NAMBLA has never been condemned by the LGBTQW community, primarily due to on the record quotes from people such as Larry Kramer.

            There is a push to normalize sexual behavior between adults and children, and the aforementioned are dead center in the middle of it.

            That’s a fact, and facts don’t care about your feelings.

          • Croquet_Player

            You don’t get to make up facts. No organized LGBT group supports NAMBLA. Not one.

          • Jason Todd

            Who, where and when? I want links.

          • Croquet_Player

            Links for non-support? I think you’re looking for links of support, and there aren’t any.

          • Jason Todd

            You know exactly what I mean. And you have nothing because you are a liar.

            The actual number of people within the LGBTQW community I have personally seen condemn NAMBLA I can count on one hand. The overwhelming majority refuses to distance themselves or even acknowledge its existence, even after the horrific death of Jeffrey Curley.

          • Croquet_Player

            I haven’t lied about anything. If you can find any LGBT groups that support NAMBLA, or pedophilia in general, I’d be happy to review them. I know of none. Since NAMBLA appears to have been more or less defunct in the last decade, there seems to be little interest in them from anyone.

  • Biff_Maliboo

    More proof that you should never trust an adult wearing a bow tie.

  • jscotttheory

    It is not at all surprising a group that claims to be “saved” and “follow Jesus Christ” freaks out and unleashes the vitriolic screaming about gay people and pedophilia. What happened to discussions of compassion and empathy toward the victims and helping them heal? I guess the vitriol makes it easier to feel superior.

  • maam2u

    “The 16-year-old had volunteered at the school, and Babbit served as his
    mentor when he came out to his family as homosexual. The teen told
    police that Babbit and Deyo had said they would take him to a concert
    and pay for his hotel stay. But while at the hotel, he alleged, the men
    gave him alcohol and marijuana, and then sexually abused him.”
    THAT is how they recruit them, and make them think that because they were molested while drunk, “that makes them gay”. He even told him to start telling people that, in other words, to solidify it in the kid’s head. wow, some new young flesh for thier consumption. that’s how they do it folks! very common scenario, i have heard it before from victims. That’s how they confuse them to think they are now gay just because they were molested. MARKED. BRUISED FRUIT. you aren’t gay ,kid. you are vulnerable and exploited.

  • Radix

    So these “marriages” are clearly a sham. Two married people who love each other don’t seek out sex with others.

  • calduncan

    This is unfortunate. They should have been sent to prison for life, where they’d discover the joys of being the PREY of stronger, dominant males. That would be justice.

  • Bill

    Gee, wonder who they voted for President?

    • Johnny Monday

      I wouldn’t be surprised if they were Trump supporters. He’s completely in favor of gay marriage.

  • Bill

    At least they blew their brains out, the only good thing is hey ever did with their worthless good for nothing lives.Never Ever allow these sick demented freaks of nature near your young sons

  • Bill

    They look like those two perverts in the Sonic hamburger TV commercials

  • http://westvirginiaholler.blogspot.com/ blueridgewv

    Is any newspaper or local or Natonal TV station covering the Tragic story? Where is the mainstream pro-gay media now?. Are they hiding this news? Is there bias showing? I recall when the Roman Catholic Church was discovered to have molested boys it not only made national news with every incident but also complete news stories, documentaries, and even movies were made about the Scandal. So why is this not being reported widely?

    Is there not a clear but implied warning in the story? Rational and reasonable caution and concern about predatory sodomy cannot be libeled as “homophobia”. The fear was in them, who committed suicide “rather than face hatred…of the justice system”. Yes the law hates crime and prosecutes criminals with justifiable punishment and contempt, and so should society. Cowards evading justice are in fear of being shamed as they should be.

  • BooBooBaby

    Awful….just awful!