Atheist Group Wants Ordinance Banning Literature Mocking Christianity Scrubbed From Books

EDMOND, Okla. — A prominent professing atheist group recently wrote to officials in an Oklahoma city to request that an ordinance outlawing the distribution of literature profanely mocking Christianity—to the point that it causes a public disturbance—be scrubbed from the books.

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) contacted the attorney for Edmond, Oklahoma on Tuesday to advise that an unidentified concerned citizen alerted the organization about the ordinance, which it contends is unconstitutional.

The ordinance at issue is under the “Public Peace and Safety” section, which prohibits speech and behavior that results in a breach of the peace.

“It shall be unlawful and an offense for any person to circulate any literature or use any language within the corporate limits of the City of Edmond, that casts profane ridicule on God, Jesus, or Christianity, which in its common acceptance is calculated to cause a breach of the peace or an assault,” the ordinance states.

Other laws under the section prohibit displaying inflammatory signs that would cause a breach of the peace, disturbing religious worship services with “rude, indecent or improper behavior” or generally using “obscene, offensive or abusive language” on the streets in a manner that causes a public uproar.

FFRF believes that the blasphemy law protects Christianity more than other religions, or atheism, and violates the First Amendment’s right to freedom of speech.

“The law promotes religion, specifically Christianity, over nonreligion and other minority religion,” its letter reads. “It establishes Christianity as the chosen religion and suppresses the free exercise of all others by placing the religious sensibilities of Christians on a pedestal and punishing those who might attempt to ridicule them.”

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“This law also violates the First Amendment’s protection of the freedom of speech by punishing people for merely uttering a phrase that would once have been considered a sin against God without an appropriate constitutional justification,” it asserts. “While it may be permissible to put a restriction on speech that is calculated to cause a breach of the peace or an assault, it is not permissible to extend this restriction only to speech that ridicules God, Jesus or Christianity.”

FFRF therefore is asking that the law be struck from the books.

The Massachusetts Bay Colony’s law prohibiting blasphemy.

As previously reported, a number of states and municipalities have passed blasphemy laws throughout history, with Massachusetts’ prohibition believed to be modeled after a statute enacted during the days of the Puritans, who left England for America to worship and serve the Lord in purity.

“Whoever willfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, His creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior,” the law reads.

Michigan, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Wyoming all prohibit blasphemy as well.

Similarly, in 1775, General George Washington signed an order that prohibited profanity among the U.S. military, and many state governors followed suit.

“The general is sorry to be informed that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice hitherto little known in our American army, is growing into fashion. He hopes that the officers will, by example as well as influence, endeavor to check it and that both they and the men will reflect that we can little hope of the blessing of Heaven on our army if we insult it by our impiety and folly. Added to this it is a vice so mean and low without any temptation that every man of sense and character detests and despises it,” he wrote.


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  • Amos Moses

    we dont hate anyone …. except those we hate because we say they are haters …..

    Tolerance? ……….

    • truth hurts

      You hate the sin and not the sinner, I can hate the money hungry, scamming religion and not the religious. Why is that so hard to understand?

      • Amos Moses

        no …. i hate the sin and the sinner as God does also …… they are not separable …… that saying is not in scripture and it comes from a person who was not even a christian ………. AND i hate the religious …….. God hates religion …….. those who do and do not examine …… that is even more dangerous to the world ….. if your christianity is not intellectually rigorous ….. measured by what the scriptures say ……. it is worthless ……….

        • truth hurts

          Oh, the old I’m not religious, I have a relationship. You’re the definition of religious, Amos. You can hate people all you want, sin is a man made construct, as is your god. I don’t need a god to tell me not to murder, steal, etc… You’re fine with slavery not being in the 10 commandments, but coveting being there. Speaks volumes about the character of christians to me. That book you cherish is full of hate, slavery murder and more and your god commanded it. How about that story in judges 21: 12 where they kill everyone, including children, except the 400 virgins and force them into sexual slavery? “12. And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.” That’s twisted and so are you.

          • Amos Moses

            “You can hate people all you want, sin is a man made construct, as is your god.”

            is that a scientific, theological or personal opinion ……….. and what evidence do you have for any of that ……..

            yeah … no …..

            Malachi
            1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
            1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
            1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

            Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

            Heb 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

            Psalm
            5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

            Proverbs
            6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
            6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
            6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

            God even hates the saying, and it is not a biblical saying “God hates the sin but loves the sinner”.

            Malachi
            2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

          • truth hurts

            I see you have a lot of claim to go along with not one ounce of evidence. The ‘bible’ is the claim and there is no evidence to prove it’s true. More evidence leads to it being written and rewritten by people that had no first hand accounts of the people it references. Smells and looks like scam to me. You don’t use the claim to prove the validity of the claim. That lack of evidence is proof enough that your god is just another random made up god, like the thousands of others in history. Just another claim.

            Your god kills his own children if they don’t obey what man has written. That’s not freewill, that’s blackmail, extortion and psychotic hate. Science has not found any proof for the validity of the claim, theology is nothing more than a consensus among theologians, that have a vested interest as they earn (and I say that lightly) their income from it. Using the claim as validity of said claim is enough for me to say it’s bunk. It’s designed to scare people into following it, just like the tyrant Kim Jong Un does. Do as I say or die, but with your god the added scare tactic of eternal damnation. It’s nothing more than controlling people.

            You are using a device that was created by a homosexual scientist and saved countless lives in WW2, Alan Turing. He didn’t just make a claim, he worked it out and repeated it until he got it right and as you can see with all these posts, it proved that his computer invention worked. That invention has been added upon through scientific method until we have the modern computer of today, not just a claim in a book. God works in mysterious ways exactly like he doesn’t exist, because by the evidence for his existence, none exists and he doesn’t pass the proof test.

          • Amos Moses

            No …. yours is the claim ….. this is a christian forum …… we are christians talking about things christian …….. the A PRIORI HERE is that scripture is true …….. so again ……..is that a scientific, theological or personal opinion ……….. and what evidence do you have for any of that ……..

            “You are using a device that was created by a homosexual scientist and saved countless lives in WW2, Alan Turing”

            HALF TRUTHS ……. probably was a homosexual …. as Hitler was …. and they used it to keep track of the JEWS they killed during the holocaust …….. but you do not want to talk about that TRUTH do you …

          • truth hurts

            This is an open and public forum and I am asking for evidence to your claim. This is the internet another modern invention. You sound threatened by any sort of reasoning to me. Prove it and I’ll buy it, otherwise it’s just another baseless claim, which apparently it is. What is a book is that makes the assertion the text contained within is true? It’s a claim. It needs to have corroborating evidence to back the claim. You’re just being ridiculous now, because you have no argument. go ahead and talk about xtian things, but please back them up with evidence. Scripture is not evidence. that’s like me writing that I am god and saying that’s evidence of my claim. Anything that is true should be able to stand up under scrutiny and your claim whether you like it or not doesn’t. I’ll leave this as is for you cannot supply any evidence other than your mythical claim.

          • Amos Moses

            “This is an open and public forum and I am asking for evidence to your claim.”

            you are the one who made the claim ….. or do you not understand A PRIORI ………

          • truth hurts

            Xtians are making the claim the bible is true, not me. Take your priori elsewhere. It doesn’t matter how many people believe a lie, it’s still a lie, priori or not.

          • Amos Moses

            nope …. christians ACCEPT scripture as true …… you are claiming against that …. so nothing to talk about …… A PRIORI …. PRESUPPOSITION ………

          • truth hurts

            A teapot in the skies created everything, so nothing to talk about. People like you are the main reason xtianity is dying out.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. the main reason christianity is dying out is people do not read scripture ….. they accept what the world is telling them, and it is all lies …… they have turned from truth, they have rejected truth ….. as you reject truth ….. and ….. AND ….. scripture said that is what would happen …..

          • truth hurts

            Just the opposite, people can actually read now. They see what kind of crazy is in it and they are like, OH man!

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. people have always rejected God ….. and they were never required to read it to be saved …… they were required to hear it …….. and there is no “crazy” in it ….. and without it we would have no basis to even decide if it was “crazy” or evil or good or moral or immoral …….. they would have a general sense … a conscience ….. but they would still be in rebellion ……….. and they still are …….

          • truth hurts

            Because god is made up. Hello? Knowing that murder is wrong is an evolutionary thing, it benefits the herd. Your god came along way down the road of made up gods and your religion is a hodge podge of many pagan religions. nothing new.

          • Amos Moses

            “Because god is made up”

            again …. is that a scientific, theological or personal opinion and what evidence do you have ………..

          • truth hurts

            It’s an opinion based on the lack of any evidence whatsoever. Your opinion is based on a book with no original manuscripts authors who had no first hand accounts of any of the myths they wrote about. It’s the lack of evidence that speaks volumes about the scam you are trying to pass off as some supreme truth. I am a billionaire, I own a mansion and a yacht and my name is Elmer J. Fudd. You have to believe me, because no evidence is needed to support my claim, you must accept it on faith. My claim is supreme…. ….. ……. …… …… ……. ….. … …….. ………….. … .

          • Amos Moses

            “It’s an opinion based on the lack of any evidence whatsoever”

            absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ………… only that you have not looked in the right place …… my “opinion” is based on the abundance of EVIDENCE you cannot see or refuse to see …………… FAIL ………..

          • truth hurts

            It gets no better with you. Talk about pulling at strings, that would be you and those strings snap everywhere you grab.

          • Amos Moses

            yeah …. no ….. just because you refuse to see the evidence does not prove your case ……. again ….. the evidence is everything you see including yourself in the mirror …… you refuse to acknowledge the truth ……… and it is only rebellion to the truth …….

          • truth hurts

            And your lack of evidence does not prove your case. You don’t have one, you have a myth just like all the gods that came before yours. You have no truth either, if you did you would have evidence. Good day hater!

          • Amos Moses

            “Because god is made up”

            do you have perfect knowledge of every thing ….. ever …. in history and in every nook and cranny of the universe ……….

          • truth hurts

            I refute your claim, as no evidence exists to support it. There is no knowledge of your god, you don’t have it, I don’t have it because no evidence exists to substantiate that outlandish claim. I repeat, no evidence exists to support your claim of a god. Nice try though, NOT!

          • ShemSilber

            Shalom, Brother Amos. Soon enough, this fellow signed on as “truth hurts” will find out that truth hurts, but not forever, because ashes (Malachi 4:1-3) have no feeling.
            Blessed are all those who choose life in the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus), omein!

          • ShemSilber

            True it is, that believing a lie does not make it true…that people have created a god in their own image…and that Christianity, as well as other religions, are drenched in deception, which covers over the truth that they know.

          • Amos Moses

            “You sound threatened by any sort of reasoning to me. ”

            Nope ……….. you sound threatened by the truth …… you have no basis in truth ….. you have no science without God …. you have psuedo-science …… you have no reason outside of God ….. you cannot even tell me where logic comes from without God ….. we have no common basis to even reason together as you reject logic, reason, truth and God …… so what would be the point …..

            The PRESUPPOSITION here is that god exists ….. i do not need to prove it ….. it is evident by everything around you ……….. including you ………

          • truth hurts

            I see no truth, I do see your baseless claim. That is all………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. See I can put a lot of those in too!

          • Amos Moses

            you made a claim … not me ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. So what

          • Gary Whittenberger

            The truth is that God doesn’t exist! Free the people now!

          • Amos Moses

            is that a scientific, theological or personal opinion …….

          • Gary Whittenberger

            It is a philosophical belief based on reason. It is contradictory to the philosophical belief “God exists” which is not based on reason.

            I do want to talk about the truth, do you?

          • Amos Moses

            “I do want to talk about the truth, do you?”

            Christ is the way, THE TRUTH, and the life …… truth is not an idea or a philosophy or abstract ……… it is a person ………… it is an ABSOLUTE ……… so absolutely ………..

            “It is contradictory to the philosophical belief “God exists” which is not based on reason”

            the absolute abundance of the evidence is that God does exist ……. so how can you say it is “philosophy” … first you will have to explain how you come to reason WITHOUT God and then explain how you come to philosophy WITHOUT God ……. and while you are at it explain how even logic can exist WITHOUT God …… and then how you can come to truth …. when your first step is to DENY the existence of truth ……… as you deny the existence of God ………..

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Reply to Amos Moses, end of round 2, 3-4-2017

            AM2: Christ is the way, THE TRUTH, and the life …… truth is not an idea or a philosophy or abstract ……… it is a person ………… it is an ABSOLUTE ……… so absolutely ………..

            GW2: I disagree. Truth is not a person, never has been, and never will be. Truth is the correspondence between a proposition and reality. You can claim that Jesus told the truth, but you cannot claim that Jesus is the truth.

            GW1: It is contradictory to the philosophical belief “God exists” which is not based on reason

            AM2: the absolute abundance of the evidence is that God does exist …

            GW2: There is an abundance of evidence that God does exist, but unfortunately it is not the right type of evidence. The evidence which has been presented in support of God’s existence is not objective, unequivocal, and universal, at the same time. Therefore, the evidence is insufficient. Furthermore, if God did exist, the evidence would be sufficient. So, God doesn’t exist.

            AM2: …. so how can you say it is “philosophy” … first you will have to explain how you come to reason WITHOUT God and then explain how you come to philosophy WITHOUT God …

            GW2: Your claim “God exists” is a philosophical claim like my claim “God does not exist” is also. How do I come to reason without God? I learned the skills of reason as a young man, even though God doesn’t exist.

            AM2: …. and while you are at it explain how even logic can exist WITHOUT God …

            GW2: Logic was derived from the experience of many human persons over the ages, even though God doesn’t exist.

            AM2: … and then how you can come to truth …

            GW2: We can come to truth (or probable truth) through the application of reason, science, and logic, even though God doesn’t exist. You just have to get the right kind of training, preferably early in life.

            AM2: when your first step is to DENY the existence of truth ……… as you deny the existence of God …

            GW2: I don’t deny the existence of truth, but I do deny the existence of God. Here’s something for you to ponder:
            1. If God did exist, there would be no natural disasters.
            2. But there are natural disasters.
            3. Therefore, God does not exist.

          • Amos Moses

            “There is an abundance of evidence that God does exist, but unfortunately it is not the right type of evidence. “”The evidence which has been presented in support of God’s existence is not objective, unequivocal, and universal, at the same time. ”

            No ….. you reject the evidence because you reject truth ….. you are in error ……… it is not up to me to convince you of the truth ….. if the truth does not convince you …. then you are lost and in error …………. truth is self evident unless you deny the truth …. Christ is the truth ………. it is contained in no other place ……….

            “Your claim “God exists” is a philosophical claim like my claim “God does not exist” ”

            no …. the A Priori here is that God does exist ….. it is not a “claim” …. truth is not a claim …… it is absolute and exists …….. but you are correct …. you have made a claim that “God does not exist” ……. God is truth … you deny the truth … you are in error …..

            “Logic was derived from the experience of many human persons over the ages, even though God doesn’t exist.”

            logic does arise from chaos ……….. error ……

            “1. If God did exist, there would be no natural disasters.”

            … ERROR … and not in scripture ..

            “2. But there are natural disasters.”
            ….. so what ….

            “3. Therefore, God does not exist. ”

            ….. faulty thinking …. faulty reasoning …. error ……….

            when we eliminate God …. error is the result ………

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Reply to Amos Moses

            GW2: There is an abundance of evidence that God does exist, but unfortunately it is not the right type of evidence. The evidence which has been presented in support of God’s existence is not objective, unequivocal, and universal, at the same time.

            AM3: No ….. you reject the evidence because you reject truth ….. you are in error

            GW3: No, I reject the evidence because it is insufficient to reach a rational conclusion. Evidence is what we use to determine what is true or false. You are assuming that your claim is true a priori — without evaluating the quality of the evidence. Therefore, you are in error.

            AM3: ……… it is not up to me to convince you of the truth ….. if the truth does not convince you …. then you are lost and in error ………….

            GW3: Yes, it is up to you to convince me that your claims are true. Truth does not literally convince people. Instead people convince people that a claim is true or false. Therefore, you are mistaken.

            AM3: truth is self evident unless you deny the truth …. Christ is the truth ………. it is contained in no other place ……….

            GW3: A few truths may be self-evident, but most are not. The claim that God exists is certainly not self-evidently true. You will need to present good evidence, reasons, and arguments for that claim. Again, Christ is not the truth; instead Jesus was a person. Now you could claim that Jesus told the truth, but you’d have to support that claim.

            GW2: Your claim “God exists” is a philosophical claim like my claim “God does not exist”

            AM3: no …. the A Priori here is that God does exist ….. it is not a “claim”

            GW3: Sure “God exists” is a philosophical claim you’re making. You are just begging the question and assuming a priori that it is true. That is a violation of the rules of reason.

            AM3: …. truth is not a claim …… it is absolute and exists ……..

            GW3: Claims may be either true or false. If you want to show that your claim “God exists” is true, then you will need to present good evidence, reasons, or arguments for that. You don’t expect us to accept your claim just because you say so, do you?

            AM3: but you are correct …. you have made a claim that “God does not exist”

            GW3: Thank you. We agree on one thing.

            AM3: ……. God is truth … you deny the truth … you are in error …..

            GW3: No, Amos, “God exists” is a truth claim. It is up to you to show that it is probably true.

            GW2: Logic was derived from the experience of many human persons over the ages, even though God doesn’t exist.”

            AM3: logic does arise from chaos ……….. error ……

            GW3: I partly agree with you. The rules of logic were probably derived from “trial and error” in the experience of many human persons over the ages.

            GW2: 1. If God did exist, there would be no natural disasters.”

            AM3: … ERROR … and not in scripture ..

            GW2: It is nevertheless true. If God did exist, he would be the all-powerful and perfectly moral creator of the universe. You can infer that from the Bible if you wish. But it would be immoral to create, cause, or allow natural disasters if you could prevent them.

            GW2: 2. But there are natural disasters.

            AM3: ….. so what ….

            GW3: It is a fact that natural disasters occur! This fact is used as a premise in my argument. A natural disaster is an event occurring on the Earth by means of geophysical forces producing suffering and premature death of human persons over which they have little or no control. Examples of natural disasters include tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides, volcanic landslides, and epidemics.

            GW2: 3. Therefore, God does not exist.

            AM3: ….. faulty thinking …. faulty reasoning …. error ……….

            GW3: The conclusion of a formal argument is true if all premises are true and the argument is valid. My argument is valid. My two premises are true. And therefore, the conclusion is true – God does not exist. You seem to agree that premise #2 is true. And now that you see my explanation for premise #1, you should agree that it is also true.

            AM3: when we eliminate God …. error is the result ………

            GW3: God doesn’t exist to be eliminated. If he did exist, he couldn’t be eliminated. If you think premise #1 of my argument is false, then please rationally demonstrate that. If you are not going to use reason to discuss my argument, then I’m not very interested in your feedback.

            GW3: Also, you are overusing the period “.”

          • Amos Moses

            “Your god kills his own children if they don’t obey what man has written.”

            well you are not His child so …….. so what ……. and nothing that follows that statement is in scripture ….. so you are just here to blow smoke up your own skirt ………..

          • truth hurts

            So, your god didn’t create everyone and everything? I didn’t think so! That’s like telling my biological child, I’m mad at you and you’re not my child anymore… lol You are a right wing xtian terrorist, extremist and people like you with your ideology have to be reigned in just like ISIS. You’re just as dangerous and it’s a good think you are under control Talk about blowing smoke that’s all you do. Your nuts! You can’t reason with crazy. Later Amos. SHM

          • Amos Moses

            “So, your god didn’t create everyone and everything? I didn’t think so! ”

            He created every one and everything ….. that does not make them His children …….. you are in error ……….

            “That’s like telling my biological child, I’m mad at you and you’re not my child anymore… lol ”

            Nope …. you did not create your child …. God did ….

            “You are a right wing xtian terrorist,”

            ad hominem and more ad hominem ……… yawn ….. no reason … no logic ….

          • truth hurts

            Man you seriously need professional mental health help.

          • Amos Moses

            so more ad hominem ….. no real argument ….. no ideas ….. no reason ….. no logic ….. but that is not a surprise as you have rejected any CLAIM on those things ….. you reject them ……..

          • truth hurts

            It wasn’t meant as a personal attack, I was very sincere.

          • Amos Moses

            sure …. a very sincere personal attack ……… that makes it all better …………

          • truth hurts

            Better than your, you hate the sin and the sinner. I seriously know you need help.

          • Amos Moses

            well that is an interesting point of view …… based on what ….. you have no basis of right and wrong …. good or evil ….. science or logic or anything else ….. so based on what …….

          • truth hurts

            It’s as obvious as running into a brick wall. You say I have no basis of right or wrong and that is your opinion based on a mythical book that you use to hate people and think you are something special. It just makes you look bigoted and ignorant. Ever heard of using any punctuation at all? I mean other than these periods? …………………………………………….. ………. ………… ………………. ……………… ……………. ……… If there were a god, it would definitely send you to hell.

          • Amos Moses

            “your opinion based on a mythical book”

            again ….. absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ………… only that you have not looked in the right place …… my “opinion” is based on the abundance of EVIDENCE you cannot see or refuse to see …………… FAIL ………..

          • truth hurts

            Thousands of years have passed and no evidence yet. Maybe something will be found in the next 10 thousand years. Faith is a funny thing. lol

          • Amos Moses

            you are the one with “faith” with no basis in evidence …… you have “faith” that God does not exist ….. and NO WAY to prove your assertion ………. been there …. done that ….. failed …. as you will ….. but it may not be too funny when you learn how wrong you are ……………

          • truth hurts

            You are crazy. “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” Enjoy your day and by all means if you ever do come up with any evidence let me know. that’ll never happen…. … … … … ……………………………………

          • Amos Moses

            looking for your keys that you lost in the living room will not be found in the kitchen just because you think the light is better ……….. absence of evidence only means you are not looking in the right place ………

  • Mark Ustby

    Violence stemming from speech is never acceptable, but neither is this absurd blasphemy ordinance. Grow up, get over it, and stop trying to decide what other people can and cannot say. Worry more about what YOU say and what YOU do.

    • Vince

      One of the Star Trek types.

  • Brian Williamson

    Oklahoma has no right to maintain this ordinance, making FFRF request a long over due remedy to an unconstitutional law. US Constitution Article 1 section 1 defines the term ‘Congress’ which clearly implicates all lawmaking bodies of government. Article 4 section 4 gives the US Government the power to regulate what government system a state may have by way of guaranteeing it be a Republic Form. Article 6 makes the US Constitution the country’s highest law that all Public Officers must recognize and uphold, as well as bans religious test qualifications. Lastly the 1st Amendment bans Congress from making laws that respect an establishment of religion or would interfere with or compel anyone on their free exercise choice

    It is quiet simple Oklahoma is in the wrong and must remove the ordinance. Objections to this action are noted but do not override the US Constitution.

    • Jason Todd

      Brian, you should stop being an ingrate. Christians are not reacting to an atheist’s want to blaspheme the way Muslims do.

      • Brian Williamson

        Do you got a real counter argument, Jason Todd? On the constitutional substance I made my case.

        • Jason Todd

          I have already made my counter argument. This is not a constitutional issue. You know this, too, as you tossed out the litmus test to try to make the constitution relevant to this. Unfortunately, by doing that, you showed the exact opposite is true.

          As I have said elsewhere, the only reason why atheists are bellyaching about this is because they want to mock and blaspheme God, Jesus and Christianity. The behavior of your buddies at this website has indicated this to be the case.

          Christians are not Muslims. Meaning we do not go out and kill people because they mock and blaspheme God, etc. If we did, a lot of atheists would be dead. So, yeah, be grateful.

  • Lexical Cannibal

    I mean, this seems pretty cut and dry; the law is flatly unconstitutional and unenforceable. The US Constitution protects blasphemy itself far more than it protects you from it.

  • Judy Zwyghuizen

    I Hate Profanity word’s this disturb’s me every time anyone use’s the Lord’s Name in vein he is our lord and creator of all the heaven’s and earth Please people show respect or you wouldn’t even be here in the first place! remember that and hold your tongue Please SHOW RESPECT to our creator!

    • pepperbeast

      Please respect the First Amendment *and* the English language.

      • Vince

        You tell ’em, man.

    • Lexical Cannibal

      See, that’s a polite request you made, more or less, but the point here is that it should never be more than that; a request. Not an order and certainly not a law. To stymie criticism like that infringes on that all-important American value of Free Speech.

      And yeah, that may hurt when someone wants to express how much of a jerk they think your god is, but I imagine you’ll be pretty thankful for the freedom to do that without fear of jail time when you yourself have something to criticize.

  • Croquet_Player

    Edmond Oklahoma better call the lawyers fast and get some sensible advice, before they have to write a big fat check for a blatantly unconstitutional ordinance.

  • Croquet Player

    I’m waiting for those little yellow-bellied weasely wusses to say a negative word about Islam. They keep pretending to be so brave spewing their hate at Christians.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Which wusses would that be? Who in this story is saying negative words about Christianity?

      • Croquet Player

        You’re not supposed to interrupt grownups. I don’t think you were brought up right. My dad’s belt would’ve made you into a much better person.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          I only hear one person being immature in this conversation. If you need a hint who it is, look for the angry man running an account, for reasons known only to him, specifically designed to impersonate someone who is his ideological opposite and refusing to answer legitimate questions because he can’t defend his own positions.

          • Croquet Player

            Little girl, you have this bizarre notion that you’re going to post something super-brilliant on a Christian blog, and Christians who read it will instantly convert to atheism. Not gonna happen. Ever.

            You atheists are joke. You are not free from religion – you obsess over it. It’s really funny to behold. You’re like some little sissy kid who hangs around the football field yelling insults at the guys on the team. You’re not hurting their feelings, you’re just making fools of yourselves. No Christians wants to be like you. Better to embrace a religion and enjoy it instead of hating it.

          • johndoe

            Funny but the only joke here is you son. You’re not even creative enough to come up with your own account. Just another internet coward trolling along……

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Well, first, let me correct you in that I’m a full-grown man. You know, of the type who doesn’t impersonate others on message boards.

            Next, I don’t expect to convert you anymore than you expect to convert me. I do, however, expect that you’ll be able to back up your own assertions. So far, I appear to be mistaken about that expectation.

          • Jason Todd

            I cannot see anything Ambulance Chaser posts because I have him blocked, but I know him and his tactics. You should be aware he went on record last year and defended the pro-pedophilia Rind study, so that should give you an idea of this man’s character, or lack thereof.

            Of course, I expect people to be flagging your comments because you are not playing nice. But remember: These are people who believe they should be able to mock and blaspheme Jesus Christ without consequence. That’s what JoeMyGod is for, not Christian News dot net.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Last year…you mean when you used to post as SlidellMan4Life until you got that account banned for your excessive, belligerent rudeness toward other posters?

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Yes, they should be able to mock and blaspheme Jesus Christ without a legal penalty, violence, or discrimination as consequences. You should be able to provide the consequence of civil disagreement.

          • Jason Todd

            You forgot about eternal damnation. You mock God at your own risk, lest the penalty be on this side of eternity or the other.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Oh, I didn’t forget about it. I know the belief about it, but I don’t accept that belief. If God did exist, he would never assign anyone to eternal damnation for any behavior, especially mockery. That would be contrary to the presumed perfect morality of God. Thus, the belief leads to a contradiction.

          • Jason Todd

            You don’t have to accept it. But it’ll be mighty hard to avoid after you die.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            When you’re dead, you’re dead. We won’t be doing or avoiding anything after we die. We’ll be in the ground decomposed.

            But in the unlikely event that God does exist, you will probably spend a little extra time in hell because you failed to use your God-given intellectual abilities the way the way the big guy intended.

          • The Skeptical Chymist

            When you die, you’re be doing just what Mozart and Beethoven are doing – decomposing.

          • Jason Todd

            And if you are wrong?

          • MarkSebree

            A better question is what if YOU are the one that is wrong? The Skeptical Chymist lives well and treats others fairly without the need of being afraid of some nonexistent punishment. You treat people poorly and try to make them afraid of offending your mythical deity who says that you are supposed to treat people well, and you imply that you are treating people the way that you do because your deity demands it of you.

            What if a deity exists, you worship the wrong one, and it values treating other well because it is the right thing to do over insulting other people and trying to bully them into following your beliefs out of fear.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            I already answered that question. See my answer above.

            If there is an afterlife, it won’t be close to the way you now imagine it to be. People will not be punished for failing to believe in a god on bad evidence. Just the opposite.

          • sammy

            Says the ultimate optimist against all odds.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Says the ultimate optimist with the odds in his favor. You have miscalculated the odds.

            It is likely that if God exists, he will punish you in the afterlife for believing he exists on poor evidence. You failed to use the intellectual tools he gave you in the proper way.

          • Jason Todd

            Nice troll. Doesn’t change reality, though.

            I feel sorry for you, because you won’t have that attitude in hell.

          • truth hurts

            If god were real, god would leave irrefutable evidence and not leave it up to people like you to threaten them with eternal damnation. Man made god in his image, terrible and mad.

          • Jason Todd

            Yawn. God did that. You choose to ignore it because admitting He exists means living by rules created by someone that isn’t you, and the possibility you may be wrong in the things to do.

            As someone else said, your presence, attacking us for what we believe isn’t changing a single thing. Except one: You’re blocked.

          • truth hurts

            Rules like thou shalt not covet? But it’s ok to own slaves. YOu’re right I don’t live by all those rules. Slavery is wrong and if your god condones that, your god was made by man in his own image. Blocked? Man you people are really sensitive. At least I won’t have to hear your indoctrinated rantings! Hallelujah! 😀

          • MarkSebree

            Truth Hurts: People like Jason Todd are nothing more than sensitive snowflakes. 🙂 (turning one of their favorite (and lamest) insults back on them.)

          • Gary Whittenberger

            You failed to reply to “truth hurts”‘ main point here — “if god were real, god would leave irrefutable evidence” of his existence.

            This god you believe in, Jason, is supposed to be a moral god. Moral gods do not hide and then punish people for not believing in their existence.

          • johndoe

            Only cowards use the blocking feature

          • Ambulance Chaser

            He uses it extensively. He’s TERRIFIED of people saying something that might force him to examine his own beliefs.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Do you mean that participants on this website can block comments just because they don’t like them or don’t agree with them? What kind of website is this?

          • Gary Whittenberger

            The problem is that God has not revealed himself to all persons and presented his rules. If he existed, he would have already done that. And so, it is clear that God doesn’t exist.

            If God existed, he would present moral rules to live by and I would be happy to abide by them (I already do). But God has not appeared and presented such rules to all humans. Therefore, he doesn’t exist.

          • sammy

            He did already left irrefutable evidence. You missed it.

          • truth hurts

            Oh, then why don’t tell the world about it and then everyone would be a xtian. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            All the evidence presented for God’s existence so far has been either subjective, equivocal, or parochial.

            If God did exist, he would present plentiful, objective, unequivocal, and universal evidence of his own existence. This would probably be in the form of doing miracles for groups of persons, until all persons had been exposed. Nothing like this has happened. Therefore, God does not exist.

            Spread the good or bad news, depending on your perspective. But spread the news anyway.

          • truth hurts

            I agree, you’re pompous. go to the corner and take a time out! lol

          • Gary Whittenberger

            You believe that you are correct, and we believe we are correct. Nobody is being “pompous” for holding an opinion.

            If we are correct, then you will be incorrect. So, who makes the better case rationally rather than just emotionally?

          • johndoe

            LMAO!

          • Gary Whittenberger

            I don’t know if I’m smarter than you are, and I don’t care about that. However, I think I am correct about the issue we are discussing.

            For your own sake, you’d better be right because if God exists and there is an afterlife, you are going to have to pay a penalty for not using your cognitive abilities the way God intended.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Critical of ideas does not equal pompous attitude.

          • https://autisticagainstantivaxxers.wordpress.com/2017/01/24/another-pro-vaxer-watched-vaxxed/ On Its Own Merits

            Well, what if the Muslims are right?

          • sammy

            God is a eternal reality that you cannot perceive. You have been exposed to the teachings and the realities of consequence and blessings. You will either receive this reality one day or you will not. God in His sovereignty will continue to pursue you but He will not override your will. Hopefully one day you will see clearly to make your will His will.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            I already see clearly that God does not exist. Maybe one day you will see clearly.

            You said “God is eternal reality that you cannot perceive.” This makes no sense at all. If God did exist, he would make himself clearly perceptible to everyone. That is what a moral person would do, and it is claimed that God is or would be a moral person. So we may conclude that without a clear divine revelation to everyone, God does not exist.

          • sammy

            You see a physical world you cannot explain and make a comment you cannot substantiate or what is not perceivable. Then you say you “know” when everyone who thinks and truly knows about these issues know you made a erroneous pompous comment that displays existential ignorance. You have nothing!! its sad you do not know how little you know. Stop writing Gary!! You are not writing about science or logic or even a sense of things. You are writing out of your ignorance and thats not a good place to start.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            1. If God did exist, he would have already presented plentiful, objective, unequivocal evidence of his own existence to all persons.
            2. This has not happened.
            3. Therefore, God doesn’t exist!

            Of course, I see no good reason to comply with your demand to stop writing. I don’t know why you would make such a demand.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Better to oppose violations of morality and the Constitution.

          • Croquet_Player

            “You atheists are joke.” (Copies name and avatar of an atheist.) Obviously you admire something about atheists, or you wouldn’t be trying to impersonate me. What’s up with that?

          • truth hurts

            Says an obsessive, compulsive whinebag. Atheists aren’t trying to hurt your feelings, they are standing up (and winning) to bullies like you that think they are special and everything is about them and only them. Better to embrace logic and reason and enjoy it, than a hateful, murderous, controlling, threatening religion.

          • sammy

            You are winning not because of your argument. You are winning because of the sinful nature of man. If you read the Old Testament you would find you are no different than the old pagan beliefs that destroyed Israel that gave them over to their enemies. You are nothing new but just a rehash of mans rebellion against God.

          • truth hurts

            If you would read some history you would find you are no different than Pagans. Your religion was stolen from them and is certainly nothing new.

          • sammy

            I’m sure you have not read about ancient Pagan practices or beliefs. I’m sure what you know would be quite abbreviated to one paragraph if not a sentence. Are there similarities I’m sure but you do not know where the information originated from. We do not know when the Jewish patriarchs wrote down their story as to the other when civilizations created their mythologies. I know these Pagan civilizations did not create the genealogies like the Jews had made to bolster their credibility. You should really study what you are talking about before you write unsubstantiated comments about civilizations that lived in the region. Its sad everyone writes a sentence or reads a paragraph that they suddenly becomes a expert. I would hope you would know the difference.

        • johndoe

          Son, you’re not even close to being a grownup.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            That’s an ad hominem attack which is not appropriate in a discussion like this.

          • johndoe

            You’ll get over it

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Now you’re making excuses for incivility. If you had strong points you wouldn’t need to be uncivil.

        • WhiteGhetto

          Yeah, you’re daddy played with your butt and look how you turned out.

        • Jason Todd

          *standing ovation*

        • Gary Whittenberger

          Who cares about what your dad would have done? Try to say something to defend or oppose what was said in the article.

          • Jason Todd

            Who cares about what your dad would have done?

            I do.

            Try to say something to defend or oppose what was said in the article.

            He said what basically everyone else after having read this is thinking, unless you are an atheist. It’s relevant.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            But was he thinking rationally? I don’t think so. And thus, we are not inclined to follow him.

    • FHRITP

      islam provides a horrible set of beliefs to structure my life around. There, how’s that?

      • Croquet Player

        Oh my, such awesome courage.

        Now go say it to a Muslim. Send us a video of the beheading.

        • FHRITP

          I already did. I also beheaded 3 Muslims so far. The local cops is stumped.

          • Croquet Player

            All leftists are cowards.

          • FHRITP

            A less narrow minded, more truthful statement (not that you value being truthful) is, “All people behave cowardly sometimes.”

          • Croquet_Player

            Says the guy who steals other people’s name and avatar. Yeah, you’ve really got the moral high ground here.

        • Shane Egan

          The Freedom from religion foundation HAS made complaints about Islam. There are just far fewer because it is the Christians who more commonly try to put in place illegal rules which unconstitutionally support their own mythology in the U.S.

          The inability of those who believe they have the support of the supreme being to shrug off criticism is a sign of their insecurity.

          • Croquet Player

            Actually, it’s YOU who need the crutch of religion. Most religious people I know talk about religion much less often than your sort does.

            How strange that people define themselves by what they hate. I guess you don’t have any love in your lives, so hate is all you’ve got.

            Go right on hating. We’ve been here for 2000 years. You’re not getting rid of us.

          • Naturally Selected

            Yes, some of you are still here, but your numbers are diminishing.

          • Jason Todd

            Is that supposed to be a threat, or a desire?

          • Naturally Selected

            Not a threat. It’s called a statistic.

          • truth hurts

            Neither, it’s a fact that you can easily look up.

          • Croquet_Player

            “How strange that people define themselves by what they hate.” Says the guy who stole his internet identity from someone he hates. Too funny!

          • Rookheight

            That is some particularly thick irony. =)

          • truth hurts

            You might want to take a look at how fast those numbers are falling and continue to fall. You’re going away sooner than you think and it’s not by rapture. People are waking up to what a scam religion is.

          • sammy

            You really do not know what peril you face. Actually if you knew Jesus He actually taught against religion. Followers of Jesus hate sin because it destroys peoples lives. True followers of Jesus cannot really hate people or they would condemn themselves, but they do truly hate sin. Sin is rebellion against God. Sin destroys us in the end and often times in life. Natural man like you cannot see his sin. It is veiled against you because of your flesh and the evil nature of this world. You cannot help but sin like all of us. You know about evil and horrible things men and women do to one another so it is definitely manifested in us all, but it often more difficult to see our own sin in this world. Faith is not a crutch it is a lifeline to the Lord.. We don’t need a crutch we need a stretcher. We all do!!!

          • Gary Whittenberger

            If God did exist, then one sin would be believing claims on poor evidence, which you demonstrate here.

          • Jason Todd

            The Freedom from religion foundation HAS made complaints about Islam. There are just far fewer

            Yep. As in one. And that was all about Muslims actually teaching Islam at a Muslim school. It will stand in history as one of the lamest attempts at misdirection.

    • WhiteGhetto

      I find all the servile and tyrannical Abrahamic religions worth of scorn and ridicule.

      • sammy

        What else can you say when you live in a world of lies and deceit except in your case you believe in the world of lies and deceit. What is so horrible is that you are deceitful even to yourself. Maybe you enjoy darkness. You condemn yourself.

    • Gary Whittenberger

      You are just making an ad hominem attack. You aren’t saying anything to advance the discussion here.

    • Croquet_Player

      PLEASE NOTE: this is my tiresome old impersonator. My name has an underscore between “Croquet” and “Player”. Apparently someone lacks the imagination to come up with their own thing, and admired mine so much they copied it. Poor dear.

    • truth hurts

      How about screw Islam right along with christianity? Does that work for you. I’m atheist and you’re an ignorant ass. It’s not spewing hate at christians, it’s protesting and litigating the unconstitutional, special privilege you assholes demand.

    • DoorknobHead

      Croquet Player — do you know these sites? Or all your arguments against Islam not actually fact based but instead faith based?
      > The best arguments against Islam that I have seen are made by BILL WARNER from www politicalislam com (BILL WARNER is an excellent source when it comes to Islam, he performed content analysis on the three major texts of Islam).
      > The best current examples of why Islam is NOT a religion of peace can be found at www thereligionofpeace com It carefully lists the 30,388 Islamic attributed attacks since 9-11. The same kinds of attacks that drove Christianity out of the Middle East — the birthplace of Christianity (someplace I wish many Christians would return to and stay).

      All religion is bad — Islam seems to be currently the best example of how bad religion can get (I think Christians in America are starting to get Jealous [the only name god gives himself in the bible, by the way] of Islam and are stepping up their game).
      ’nuff said

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Christianity should never be mocked, any serious religions for that matter. Mocking the Christianity is same as trampling upon the US national flag. The offenders should be shipped out of the USA. Freedom was established to do good and do what is right, not to endure the villain atheists’ mockery. American atheists should immigrate to North Korea their own utopia as they wish. Christians create and sustain superb nations for everyone; atheists ruin nations everywhere they take control – the summary of history.

    • johndoe

      Atheists have every right to be here in America. You being from another country have to be granted admission to America. Atheists also contribute to society here in America. You being in another country do not. Summary response to your nonsensical rant.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        This is a Christian website. You are not American. True Americans never silence the Christians. Many Americans live and serve outside of the American territory. Atheists pollute the youth and the planet. You must repent of your sin. I want Americans to realize that no one should mock a religion especially the Christianity. It’s a wrong thing to do.

        • johndoe

          Sure I’m a true American. Not trying to silence anyone.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            True Americans never persecute the Christians. You do. Why do you have so much time? Work to earn your bread instead of getting and expecting free stuff. Getting free stuff all the time made Westerners hate the Christianity. Read the Holy Bible.

          • johndoe

            Hon, I do work to support my family and have for a very long time. Where have I persecuted christians? I have no hate for christians

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Liberals live on other people’s earnings. You should stop bullying me. No, you enjoy making Christians suffer. It’s in your blood. Stop slavery. You must repent of your sin to get saved and do what is right.

          • johndoe

            You’re not being bullied. If you can’t handle disagreement, quit posting. I’ve worked in the medical field for 20 years. Your insults are ridiculous.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            You are very confused. Liberals and atheists aren’t the same thing. Criticism of your ideas is not the same as bullying you. I don’t think anybody is bullying you. What is your evidence that anyone here is engaged in slavery?

            If God did exist, you couldn’t be saved from the consequences of your sin because God would be just. Salvation is a ridiculous doctrine. It is just a way that people imagine that they can escape accountability.

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Criticism of beliefs, opinions, and behaviors is not “persecution.” How do you define “persecution”?

            What does earning your bread have to do with any of this?

        • Naturally Selected

          Seems to me that the Christians are the ones who want to do the silencing here.

          • Jason Todd

            Seems to me talking about sociopolitical issues from a Christian perspective would get you immediately banned from JoeMyGod. Hypocrite much?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Atheistic Americans do bad things. Christian Americans are the only good ones. Read Psalm chapter 14 and Romans chapter 1 and 8.

          • johndoe

            Wrong again. Atheists contribute to American society everyday.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They pollute the youth and planet. You should stop bullying people.

          • johndoe

            Nobody is being bullied nor polluted. Where do you come up with this nonsense?

        • Gary Whittenberger

          You’ve got it all backwards. The ordinance is designed to silence nonChristians, not Christians.

          What is your evidence that johndoe is not an American? Is that just an “alternative fact”?

          I disagree with you. Mocking a religion, especially Christianity, is the right thing to do. It is comprised of myths, distortions, delusions, lies, and irrational groundings. You are entitled to disagree, but you are not entitled to penalize people who disagree with you by putting them in jail, violence, or discrimination.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Americans are only bad and immoral if they have no Christianity because Christianity is your only sane conscience and guidance to do what is right. Today’s unbelieving Americans are bad, ungrateful descendants of a finest Christendom. You all should repent of your evil to get saved and become civilized.

          • johndoe

            christianity isn’t needed for morals or to have a good conscience.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Non-christian West has no morality or conscience. It only kills babies and forces immorality.

          • johndoe

            Wrong. Christianity isn’t needed or necessary for morality or a good conscience

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Where is your evidence that non-Christian West “only kills babies”?

          • Gary Whittenberger

            Your hypothesis is disconfirmed. Secular humanism provides the basis for a “sane conscience and guidance to do what is right.”

            Christianity is faith-based, whereas secular humanism is reason-based. So, we should embrace the latter.

        • truth hurts

          It’s wrong for you to tell people what they can and cannot do. This is a christian website, with an open public forum found easily on search engines. If they don’t want people to comment they can remove that option, or like some sites and people here, block anyone who disagrees with them. The 1st Amendment insures that you cannot stifle speech. The USA is a constituional Republic, not a theocracy. If you disagree with the constitution, I would say that you are not a real American. If you believe in god, let god judge it. Judge not lest ye be judged, for in whatsoever manner ye judge, ye shall also be judged. <—–That's pretty big, let that sink in.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong in the foundation in not-capitalizing the first letter of “God.” America was created to spread the Christian religion. There cannot be constitutional Republic apart from Judeo-Christian values. Jesus told us to judge with righteous judgment. Read the rest of the chapter of Matthew 7. Read the entire Holy Bible. You must repent of your sin to get saved. Read John chapter 3.

          • johndoe

            America was created as a response to religious persecution

          • truth hurts

            No, I’m not wrong, you and people like you are. People are leaving your dogma now that they are literate and can see it for what it is, controlling hate. When America was founded almost no one could even read and many of the founders were deists, not theists. They didn’t want the same problem they personally experienced, that was happening with England in their battles of which denomination would rule. So, our Constitution was drafted to protect us from religious rule and to give us the right to worship as we please and that includes not worshiping anything if we so choose. You people don’t use righteous judgment, you use revenge, hate and biased judgement. I’ve read the entire bible many times over and it’s false, made up by men in their image. Every religion says their god is the true god, yours isn’t special and there no evidence to back any claim in the bible. The word god doesn’t begin the sentence, so I don’t capitalize it as it’s just a word like pig to me. Judges 21: 6-12 is just one tidbit in a huge list of what demented psychosis that you worship. Jesus never existed, he was made up by the Romans.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are altogether wrong. Atheists need to repent of their evil. It’s the only way for you to get saved. Psalm 14, John 3, Romans 1 and 8.

          • truth hurts

            Everything was decreed by god. Man was that god. I’ve red enough and it’s all contradictory slop. I don’t believe in god, let alone your god. What if your god is the wrong god and you go to hell for worshiping it? You are altogether wrong.

        • Gary Whittenberger

          This is not a Christian website. You have not presented any evidence that he is not an American. Nobody is silencing anybody. Atheists promote the education of the youth and the planet. There is no sin. I want Americans to realize that it is ok to mock a religion, especially Christianity; it is a morally permissible thing to do.

          The only true statement you made here was “Many Americans live and serve outside of the American territory.” Everything else you said was false or unfounded.

    • Gary Whittenberger

      I disagree. Christianity should be mocked as all “serious religions” should.

      Those who write blasphemy ordinances are not true patriots. If they were, they would follow the Constitution.

      If you want to expel people from your church for blasphemy, that’s fine. But our country is not your church.

      • Jason Todd

        Christianity should be mocked

        Do you believe that?

        • Rookheight

          All bad ideas should be mocked, which obviously includes Christianity.

          • Mr Cleats

            Go ahead. We’re tough. We’ve outlasted tougher enemies than a bunch of diseased homosexuals. You don’t scare us. You’re like insects, just annoying but not important.

          • truth hurts

            Don’t look now, it’s Mr. Ad Hominem! Your religion is dying faster than you even know.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        No, Americans should never mock Christianity because Christianity created America and did only good to Americans. Today’s godless Americans are bad descendants. You guys should repent of your blasphemies to be good again.

        • johndoe

          The first amendment gives me the right to mock whatever I want. More proof that you have no understanding of America

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is evil of you mock what is good. Non-christian Americans persecute the Christians instead of colored people.

          • johndoe

            I’ve mocked nothing but it is my right to do so. Nobody is being persecuted

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Americans are supposed to submit to God alone and not to atheists or Sodomites. Whatever happen to the Americans? Why don’t they dicern what is good and bad? And what is right and wrong? Upholding the evil’s freedom alone always brings evil tyranny because humans are sinners. Education is meaningless if it doesn’t quest for the good and the truth, namely Christianity. Men are not born neutral but sinful. American atheists are the proof. Psalm 14.

    • johndoe

      Americans don’t have to submit to anyone. No gods are needed to know right from wrong. You still don’t have the slightest clue what it means to be an American. Never will.

      • Theo

        Shouldn’t your sort be watching the Oscars?

        • johndoe

          What is my sort

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Americans are under God and trust in Him. That means submission. Those who do not sumbit to God always end up submitting to human villains such as atheists and Sodomites as seen on today.

        • johndoe

          I submit to no one.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People do the works of Satan when they do not submit to God. John chapter 8. Every unredeemed human is a slave to sin; that’s why Non-christian USA tries to install slavery by sexual immorality this century.

        • truth hurts

          Did you know that non believers outnumber the southern baptist convention, the largest christian denomination in the USA and are growing rapidly? Even christian denominations are all different enough (pentecostal holiness and baptists are nothing alike) to be under different gods. Americans are under god? That would show that your statement is not true, but more like a lot of people under god and a lot of people not under god. God doesn’t like lies, right?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. The number of atheists has been stagnant. It’s self-worshippers whose number is growning, but the growth of the Muslims is #1. Western Sodom submits to Islam. There is only one God. Secular Westerners say false things about the one true living God only because they desire to continue the infanticide and sexual immorality.

          • johndoe

            christians are declining in numbers and atheists, aka non believers, are growing at a rapid rate.

          • truth hurts

            There is no god and I know that atheists and non believers are outpacing christians. At least 25% of the population are non believers and most likely a lot higher. People in the south are afraid to admit it publicly because they are ostracized by christians. Being vocal can jeapordize jobs and cause their children to be bullied for not following like the sheep. I know many people like that. They have to work and pay bills, so they keep it pretty quiet. Many christians aren’t even christains except by affiliation. They don’t follow it, they don’t go to church and they don’t give tithes and offerings. Your right that Islam is growing and outpacing xtianity. xtians should be careful passing religious laws as that will come back to bite and and also another reason that the FFRF is so important, it protects your religious freedom just like everyone else. The bible is full of immorality and infanticide, genocide, commanded by your made up god. Please spare me your lessons on morality. I think slavery is wrong, but you follow a god that tells you how to treat them. don’t covet, but as long as you don’t beat a slave where he doesn’t die in a couple days, it’s all good! Sure, right. SMH

    • Gary Whittenberger

      There is nothing in the Constitution which says Americans are supposed to submit to God alone. Where are you getting these ideas!

      What is Psalm 14?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Psalm 14 reveals the evil of American atheists. Read Romans 1, too. America’s founding documents and national anthems and the pledge and money bills all testify that Americans follow the one true God. USA’s end is at hand now she opposes her Creator God so badly. You must repent of your sin to get saved. Read John 3.

        • johndoe

          Nope. Americans have many different faiths. We are not a theocracy. Not all atheists are evil just like all christians are not kind and caring.

        • Gary Whittenberger

          Ah, Psalms were written before there was an America. If you are going to support your position with Bible verses, then you need to provide specific quotes and citations. You are just talking in generalities.

          The Constitution is the founding document for our nation. It doesn’t mention God. The First Amendment talks about how religion and government should be related. I don’t think our national anthem mentions God either. The original pledge didn’t mention God, but it was contaminated. I don’t know when God went on the money, but it is unethical and unconstitutional for it to be there.

          I don’t sin, and there is no need for salvation. Read some books which oppose your viewpoint for a change.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA must stop repaying the good with evil to Christianity if the nation has sanity. Believing is up to individual’s free will and should never be forced by other humans, but those who mock Christianity are blasphemers and parent-shaming evil descendants. The entire Western Civilization relied on Christianity for conscience and guidance and was protected and educated and blessed by it. No Americans should mock Christianity. It should be treated as treason. No wonder the Ex-christian America does has no patriotism, not just goodness or sense of honor. Americans need Christianity for salvation and also for meaning of life and to be good.

    • johndoe

      America is not a theocracy. Never has been and never will be. We are a nation of many faiths and no faith at all. That’s the beauty of America. Religion isn’t needed nor necessary to be an American.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        American documents all declare that Americans trust in God alone and ask Him protection and blessings. Europe including Russia, Australia, and North and South America are all Christendom. Look at their flags and read their national anthems. Atheists made much of the world suffer for a while, but most of them bounced back to Christianity 3 decades ago after freedom was re-obtained.

        • johndoe

          No they don’t. That’s just our money sweetie. Again, read some American history and enlighten yourself.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They do. You guys must stop attacking the Good, namely Christianity. Secular Westerners are too demonic immoral and that’s why they can’t stand the sight of Christianity.

        • ZappaSaid88

          The U.S. Constitution is the only legal framework for this country. That document mentions religion nowhere except to limit it. If the founding fathers wanted this to be a Christian country they would have explicitly added it to the constitution. They didn’t, case closed.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            US Constitution grants Christians complete religious freedom, but Sodomic USA forces Christians to be bullied by the evil people. Today’s USA supresses the Christians instead of colored people this century, out of boredom. Non-believers in the USA have not changed in doing evil.

          • johndoe

            Nobody is being bullied. We have freedom of speech in America.

    • DoorknobHead

      GRACE KIM KWON: THE DEATH-TO-ALL-BLASPHEMERS LADY FROM OUT OF TOWN
      Q1) Since you claim mocking Christianity should be treason, and treason is a capital offense punishable by death, how do you think blasphemers should be killed? Do you have any preference? Does the bible have any passages that tells how they should be killed? Do you think the killings should be public, and local attendance should be required?

      Q2) Do you have a name for the style of Christianity you practice? Might you say you are a Dominionists? or something else? I am VERY curious on what sect of Christian you consider yourself. If you don’t have a name for your sect, how about ChrISIS.

      I would say Christianity (as an entity, figuratively) might want to have the power you want it to have if it gets the chance — so you might be more correct in your beliefs about the true basic nature and original purpose of Christianity than many moderate Christians. I do give you points for that, even though medication may be more appropriate.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Secular Western culture is wrong. Westerners need Christian education to be humane and civilized again.

        • DoorknobHead

          Which denomination of Christianity are you? If you don’t know, go ask your religious leaders — go ahead, I’ll wait.

  • tatoo

    So, freedom of speech is disqualified if it against Jesus. It is okay if it is against Satan, Allah, Brahma, and all the other gods. I know you think your god is special, but he is just one in a million.

  • Jason Todd

    In case you needed proof the Freedom From Religion Foundation is made up of anti-Christian bigots, here you are.

    Their objection is not due to this blanket “promoting one religion over another” poppycock. It has to do with mocking Christianity.

    • Rookheight

      How can you declare that there is “proof,” then insist that their objection has nothing to do with what they said? Can’t you see that you’re just imagining things?

      • Jason Todd

        What are you even talking about? I made my idea quite clear.

        • Rookheight

          You said it’s “proof” that FFRF is “made up of anti-Christian bigots,” then quoted their objection, which is that the ordinance promotes “one religion over another,” which is consistent with everything they do. Then you said you don’t think that’s accurate. In what alternative world is that “proof”?

          • Jason Todd

            I know what I said, and what I said is what I meant. If you do not understand it, that’s your problem.

          • Rookheight

            You won’t get very far projecting your poor communication skills onto your listeners. But I suppose it’s a lost cause anyway, given what you’re trying to argue.

          • Jason Todd

            I don’t know. I won this argument.

          • Rookheight

            It’s not an argument, it’s me trying to help you form a coherent thought.

          • Jason Todd

            The coherent thought is the FFRF are anti-Christian bigots and you are defending them. The ball is in your court to confirm or deny.

          • Rookheight

            FFRF complains when the government promotes any one religion over another, or religion over nonreligion. Since Christianity is the only religion anyone ever uses the government to promote—case in point, this Christianity-specific blasphemy law—that’s mostly what they write on.

            They’re very clear and consistent about this. The ball is in your court to show otherwise.

          • Jason Todd

            FFRF complains when the government promotes any one religion over another, or religion over nonreligion.

            False. The government has never done that.

            There is a video I have personally seen of teenage girls being made to wear hijabs at an Illinois high school during a talk about Islam. Where is the FFRF? Nowhere. But if these same students were asked to hold crosses?

            What’s clear and consistent is the hypocrisy and blatant bigotry on display.

          • Rookheight

            “The government has never done that.” You’ve got to be kidding. You don’t think any government actor has ever—EVER—used their position to promote any one religion, or religion in general? You either don’t understand what you’re saying or you are deep in an alternate reality. Hell, this crazy blasphemy law is a crystal-clear example, and there are hundreds more from just the last year. Again, more than 90% of the time it’s Christianity because anything else is typically political suicide.

            If you have a local complaint about a high school promoting Islam, report it to FFRF. They will investigate it and take appropriate action, like they always do. They don’t go looking for complaints, so they won’t show up without a local complainant. And when Islam is promoted at a public school, typically the public backlash is so massive and immediate that the practice is shut down before FFRF could have possibly even sent a letter.

            But you can keep lying to yourself that they’re targeting Christians all you want. I can assure you that as a group of mostly atheists, they really don’t care which imaginary friend they’re going after. It’s all the same to them.

          • Jason Todd

            1) I didn’t stammer.

            2) You are implying the FFRF only gets involved at the request of others. That’s false. When they wrote a sheriff a letter to not use the national motto “In God We Trust,” they were acting independently. Same with the letter to Trump that asked him to drop any and all references to God for his inauguration.

            3) The only person shown to be lying to themselves and others regarding the FFRF and their hateful anti-Christian agenda is you.

          • Rookheight

            Well, non-stammering Todd, you are living in your own fantasy land, saying things you wish were true. Have fun with that and let me know if you ever decide to embrace reality.

          • Jason Todd

            Your reality is based on the fantasy there is no God. I think mine’s just fine.

          • truth hurts

            I’d like to see that video and get the back story on it. Was it reported to FFRF by anyone in that community? You don’t have to be an atheist to file a complaint with FFRF, but it does help if you are a member of that particular community. They don’t ask you if you are atheist, or religious. Once a complaint is made, it is forwarded to staff attorneys if there is enough evidence, such as videos, links to news stories, social media, etc… to warrant that. The more evidence, the better the chance that FFRF will look into the violation, send out letters to the offenders and possibly seek legal action. I never see any violations by muslims or jews, or anyone other than christians. FFRF relies on real, actual people from those communities filing a complaint with them on constitutional violations. If you see one, I encourage you to contact one or more local citizens and get them involved in the complaint process and see where that goes.

          • johndoe

            Not much of an achievement, you have a very dense opponent.

    • Naturally Selected

      Wrong. It has to do with upholding the CONSTITUTION. Check out their website and become enlightened.

      • Jason Todd

        I already have. I have noted their absolute lack of challenging the teaching of Islam in public schools (except for one, which laughably was a Muslim school).

        I have already been up one side and down the other about what the Constitution says, what it means, what people in black robes said, and how people like those within the FFRF have been twisting what these men said in order to censor Christian speech. There is nothing to discuss and if you feel you want to go there, let me know in advance so I can block you.

        • Naturally Selected

          How about sticking your fingers in your ears and going nah, nah, nah, like a petulant child who can’t handle reality. Block me? Ouch, no. Please don’t.

          • Jason Todd

            Is atheism reality? No. Does the Constitution promote censorship of religious speech? No. Do you think your taunting me will somehow keep you from being blocked? No.

          • Naturally Selected

            Atheism isn’t a thing. I don’t believe in the invisible man in the sky. Period. I also don’t believe in Zeus or the Easter Bunny (of which there is the same amount of evidence as there is for your Middle Eastern god). The Constitution promotes FREE SPEECH for all, not just Christians. I could not care less if you block me. Really.

        • truth hurts

          Find some instances of Islam violating the Constitution in public schools and I will show you an organization that will fight it. FFRF.

      • Ambulance Chaser

        It sounds to me like Jason Todd is teetering on the edge of blocking you because he’s afraid you might say something that will force him to critically examine his beliefs, and he can’t handle that.

  • Naturally Selected

    When people “block” you from Disqus, remember what Friedrich Nietzsche said — “Sometimes people don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destroyed.” Perfectly sums up one of the people commenting here today.

  • Gary Whittenberger

    The ordinance is clearly unethical and unconstitutional. Its aim is to protect Christianity from criticism at the expense of freedom of speech guaranteed under the Constitution.

    There are already laws which prohibit making threats and inciting riots. So, the ordinance is discriminatory and unnecessary.

    • Jason Todd

      This argument has been made in response to laws being drafted and passed designed to protect Christians from militant homosexuals who are hellbent on destroying Christian businesses.

      Problem is, the argument is false.

      • Rookheight

        Arguments can’t be “false.” They might be invalid or unsound, but that’s something different.

        An example of something that’s “false” would be the claim that constitutional laws exist that are “designed to protect Christians from militant homosexuals who are hellbent on destroying Christian businesses.”

  • ZappaSaid88

    Blasphemy laws are a direct affront to the first amendments freedom of speech clause.

  • Neal D

    This is very silly. Every local government in America has laws on the books which are never enforced, and obviously this was one of those laws. This group seems to make mountains out of molehills. Making a fuss about a law that the residents probably never knew existed is absurd. We can safely assume that the non-Christian residents were not exactly suffering severe persecution because of this forgotten law. There are real problems in this world to dwell on.

    • zeddicuskotor

      So why was this law on the books anyway if Christians actually obeyed the law as it is so clearly written?

  • Chet

    Simply start telling these sad sacks to go pack sand while holding what you’ve got, everywhere. “Stand Up, Stand Up For Jesus Ye Soldiers Of The Cross”… Stand up straight, shoulders back, chest out, stomach in…