53 U.S. Companies Join Legal Brief Asking Supreme Court to Allow Girl in Boys’ Restroom

WASHINGTON — 53 U.S. companies have signed on to a legal brief asking the U.S. Supreme Court to rule in favor of a Virginia girl who identifies as a boy and wants to use the boys’ restroom at school.

“The [school district’s] policy discriminates against transgender children and violates their privacy. The policy forces children to use restrooms according to their ‘biological gender.’ This mandate targets transgender individuals in particular because they are the only people for whom ‘biological gender’ fails to correspond with gender identity—indeed, this disparity is a defining aspect of being transgender,” the brief reads in part.

“The policy places transgender youth—and only transgender youth—in the humiliating and painful position of having to publicly deny and disclaim their gender identity,” it asserts.

Participants in the brief include Amazon, Apple, eBay, Etsy, Microsoft, PayPal, Twitter, Spotify, IBM, Gap, LinkedIn, RetailMeNot and Yahoo.

As previously reported, the case centers around a Gloucester High School student who goes by the name Gavin Grimm, now a senior. Three years ago, Grimm was directed to use the nurse’s restroom after she began identifying as a boy, but soon decided that she would rather use the boys’ restroom.

“The nurse’s office is at least a three minute walk from the class I have closest to it. It took a substantial amount of time out of my class time, and it was embarrassing,” Grimm told reporters in 2014. “When you’re gone for 15 minutes at a time to use the bathroom, what are high schoolers gonna think? It’s humiliating and it’s alienating.”

The student therefore spoke to the principal about the matter, who suggested that Grimm go ahead and use the men’s restroom since she identifies as a boy. But some of the parents of the male students soon learned about the allowance, and the issue turned up before the school board.

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Due to the concerns of parents, the board voted to approve a policy requiring students to utilize the restroom that correlates with their biological gender, or to use a private bathroom.

In response, Grimm sued the Gloucester County School Board with the aid of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in an effort to overturn the policy.

“By excluding Gavin—a transgender boy—from the boys restrooms because the school board does not deem him to be ‘biologically’ male, the school board, under color of state law, has treated and continues to treat Gavin differently from similarly situated students based on his gender,” the suit asserted.

Last September, District Court Judge Robert Doumar, appointed to the bench by then-President Ronald Reagan, ruled against Grimm, disagreeing with the ACLU that the board had violated Title IX with its restroom policy.

“Title IX prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex and not on the basis of other concepts such as gender, gender identity, or sexual orientation,” Doumar wrote.

The ACLU appealed the decision to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled 2-1 in favor of Grimm in April by pointing to the Obama administration’s recent interpretations of the federal statute.

It then sent the case back to Doumar, who was instructed to rule in light of how the U.S. Department of Education views the federal statute. Doumar consequently ordered the board to allow Grimm to use the boys’ restroom.

The Gloucester County School Board then appealed the order to the U.S. Supreme Court, asserting that it will cause “irreparable harm to the board, to the school system and to the legitimate privacy expectations of the district’s schoolchildren and parents alike.”

In August, the court granted the board’s request for an emergency injunction, and in October, it agreed to hear the case. Oral argument is scheduled for March 28, however, it is unknown as to whether the court will rule on the matter since the Trump administration has now rescinded the Obama administration’s directives on public school restroom use.

Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) lamented the brief submitted by the 53 U.S. companies on Thursday.

“Big business shouldn’t be advocating for boys to share the girls’ locker rooms and showers—and vice versa—in our public schools, and yet that’s precisely what these 53 companies are doing,” said legal counsel Kerri Kupec in a statement. “What they should be supporting is the bodily privacy and dignity of all students, instead of simply disregarding the rights and reasonable concerns of many students and parents.”


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  • 53 U.S. Companies Join Legal Brief Asking Supreme Court to Allow Girl in Boys’ Restroom

    Correctly stated: 53 U.S. Companies Join Legal Brief Asking Supreme Court to Allow Transgender Boy in Boys’ Restroom. Then there is the deliberate use of incorrect pronouns. It is obtuse. Does Ms. Clark believe that Gavin is confused or pretending? How does she propose Gavin should be treated?

    • BravesFan

      SHE is still a girl and will be a girl until the day SHE dies, no matter what. The child is confused. SHE needs mental help. SHE also has NO right to make actual boys give up their deserved privacy and be uncomfortable due to her mental illness.

      • So that is your learned medical opinion?

        I cannot post links here but the research says that he is neither confused nor pretending. Moreover, gender dysphoria is just that. It is not a disorder. The kids, by the way, get it. Gavin’s classmates are better informed than some of their moronic parents.

        • Fang

          A-hole, a medical degree is not necessary to distinguish boy from girl.

          You are one senile perv.

        • Amos Moses

          SHE is deceived ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Not according to medical and neurological science.

          • Amos Moses

            WRONG ….. “medical and neurological science” makes no claim of how deceived a person is …… and just because they convincingly believe a lie does not make it so …………..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Youre right. Luckily there’s a mountain of peer reviewed evidence showing that transgenderism is biological and cannot be cured.

          • Amos Moses

            peer review means NOTHING as to the truth …………. FAIL …….. people agreeing with a WRONG conclusion …… only makes them ALL WRONG ………….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Luckily, it’s not wrong.

          • Amos Moses

            so you agree with the people who are wrong ….. so you are wrong ….. and that aint lucky ….. FYI …. luck has NOTHING to do with it ………

          • Amos Moses

            “cannot be cured.”

            i will give you that …… it is like a scraped knee …. given time it many times will heal on its own …… unless continued injury prevents that ………… encouraging them to not GROW UP ….. is continued injury …………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yeah, no. It won’t.

          • Amos Moses

            yeah …. no …. it DOES ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Prove it.

          • Amos Moses

            research it ……..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Uh, no. You make the claim, you provide the evidence.

          • Amos Moses

            no …. i PROCLAIM the truth ….. if you do not want the truth ….. on you …….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, now “proclaim” some evidence so we can all see that’s “truth.”

          • Nedd Kareiva

            May I suggest you contact Dr. Paul McHugh of Johns Hopkins University Medical Center and its disbanded sex change unit to understand why they did what they did, then come back and tell us what he told you.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            May I suggest you stop relying on Paul McHugh and his junk science? All of his theories have been proven wrong, yet he still clings to them?

            For example, McHugh thinks gender dysphoria is purely mental, which was debunked in 2009 by Hare et al. in “Androgen receptor repeat length polymorphism associated with male-to-female transsexualism,” Luders in “Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism,” and Garcia-Falgueras in “Galanin neurons in the intermediate nucleus (InM) of the human hypothalamus in relation to sex, age, and gender identity.”

            So, the entire foundation of his beliefs are based on ignoring the prevailing evidence.

        • BravesFan

          dys – Word Origin
          1.
          a combining form meaning “ill,” “bad,” used in the formation of compound words: dysphoria

          The very diagnosis of gender dysphoria tells us that it is, in fact, a disorder. If it wasn’t a disorder, it wouldn’t need to be treated, and clearly it needs to be treated, although unfortunately there is disagreement about what that treatment should be.

          Now tell me this. If you tested that girl’s blood and typed her DNA, what would it show? If you tested it after she had mutilation surgery, what would it show? It is biologically impossible to change genders. All you can do is alter the appearance of the exterior.

          There is also ample research that suggests that mutilation surgery isn’t even an effective treatment. The suicide rate is north of 40% regardless of whether an individual has the mutilation surgery or not. And it’s not the much-maligned “intolerance” either, as the suicide rate is just as high in countries like Sweden (and the like).

          • The very diagnosis of gender dysphoria tells us that it is, in fact, a disorder. If it wasn’t a disorder, it wouldn’t need to be treated, and
            clearly it needs to be treated, although unfortunately there is disagreement about what that treatment should be.

            That is not what DSM V says. It was reclassified from a disorder to dysphoria because it is not a disorder. Moreover, there is no medical intervention other than support and gender affirmation.

            It is intellectually dishonest to beg the question. Johns Hopkins calls it “gender affirming surgery.” Even “sex reassignment surgery” would be acceptable. I don’t know where you are getting those number but NIH features a study from Germany demonstrating overwhelming satisfaction with the surgery which is why Hopkins re-started their program after decades of not providing the service.

            You are probably referring to a Swedish study conducted by Dr. Charlotte Björkenstam with whom I am in routine contact. she recently wrote to me (yes, she is quite conversant in English):

            Currently the most well-established theory that explains these differences is the “Minority Stress Model” (Meyer). Meyer’s model states that the experience of prejudice events, expectations of rejection, hiding and concealing of one’s sexual identity, internalized
            homophobia, and ameliorative coping processes are associated with the increased levels of mental ill health and suicidal behavior among sexual minorities.

            It is well-established that sexual minority individuals are at higher
            risks for mental ill health including anxiety and depression, and
            depression is a main risk factor for suicide, so the association we
            found is not too surprising. However, it is still urgent with more research, and especially research that aims at finding solutions as how to best prevent suicides among LGBT people but also how to prevent mental ill health and discrimination.

          • Jason Todd

            That is not what DSM V says. It was reclassified from a disorder to dysphoria because it is not a disorder.

            The DSM also reclassified pedophilia as a sexual orientation until someone noticed and pointed it out.

            If anything, the American Psychiatric Association and American Psychological Association hold no credibility as they have placed politics over actual science.

    • Amos Moses

      NOPE ……. “the deliberate use of incorrect pronouns” is being done by the trans-decieved and their supporters ………… like you ………..

    • Jason Todd

      Where is your medical degree, David?

      • Vince

        Pediatric massage.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Common senses tell a lot about raising children and health. It’s comical that wealthy and powerful nations are now questioning all the self-evident things this century. Americans trust in experts too much. Without the Christian virtues, being expert is meaningless. How does a man determine to save a life instead of ruining it? The West needs Christian virtues to protect and benefit its own children.

    • calduncan

      You’re an elderly woman.

  • Fang

    Caitlyn Hope Grimm is an obese teenage girl with a left-wing mom who is a major publicity glutton. Instead of encouraging her daughter to pretend to be a boy named “Gavin,” the mother should’ve encouraged her to lose some pounds and to accept herself the way she was born. There is some serious child abuse going on with these so-called “transgender kids.” We don’t let kids decide what time they go to bed, we sure as heck shouldn’t let them decide they are the opposite sex. Someone has to play the adult here.

    • Should Gavin’s mother heed your advice or that of the clinicians who are responsible for his care? Your medical degree is from …?

      • Fang

        Shoo, troll. Go watch your Cub Scout porn.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          It’s a perfectly valid question. And I’d like to add another one: What, in your expert, clinical opinion, would be the result of Gavin’s mother doing that? And why?

      • Coach

        The old, if they have a medical degree, there always right, unless of course, they haven’t brought into the globalist agenda.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          No, the old “they have medical degrees and proved their point with evidence, so they’re most likely right until proven otherwise.”

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Cite your evidence

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Arlene Lev: Transgender Energence: Therapeutic Guidelines for Working with Gender Variant People and their Families

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s not evidence. That’s a reference. And it’s not even a good one.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, it’s a reference to a well-written, well-researched book by an expert in the field. Come back to me once you’ve read it.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thanks for publicly displaying what you consider “well-written, well-researched book by an expert in the field”.

            “Grounded in feminist family therapy, therapeutic services are directed towards empowerment and authenticity and the nurturing of healthy queer families.”

            “In 2000 Lev founded the Rainbow Access Initiative, a training program on LGBT issues for therapists and medical professionals in the Capital Region of New York.”

            “As Lev began to work with transgender clients and their families in the mid-1980s, she realized how little her training had prepared her in sexuality, sexual issues, and gender. In the process of training herself in this area she wrote her first book”

            As always, appreciate you discrediting yourself and bringing to our attention another bias “expert” promoting the immoral behavior.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes? I don’t see a problem with any of that.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            They ya go folks! Finally an admission from a spiritually-dead one that he had no problem with a biased, non-expert, non-qualified, promoter of the LGBTQABCXYZ agenda being used as an expert and their books and “counsel” being used to establish Societal norms.

            Is that who ya wanna listen to and rely on?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, she’s biased. Just like Paul McHugh, meaning we should ignore everything he says as well.

            Or maybe we should stop playing ad hominem games and start evaluating the statements themselves. So, what is it Arlene Lev said that you disagree with?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Provide your evidence that McHugh is biased? He’s got the credentials. She don’t!!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Again, stop playing your ad hominem game and let’s discuss what was actually said.

            Now, what part of Lev’s book do you disagree with?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Again, stop playing your ad hominem game. Provide your evidence that McHugh is biased.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Well, he keeps ignoring evidence and insisting on his position.

            Now, can we discuss the issues or not?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            What evidence? Provide it.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Enough with Paul McHugh. Are we going to talk about the facts or not?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ah, I see. So your saying you want to rely on the “experts” was just a lie. A ruse.

            Got it. Thanks.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, I’m saying I want to talk about the subject and not play games with whose expert is smarter.

            Now, for the last time, are we going to discuss the actual topic or not?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Hmm, trying to follow your logic and reasoning abilities here. Earlier you said that we have to rely on the “experts”. Now you say we don’t. Which is it?

            And you want to discuss the topic? Why? Are you claiming to be an expert now? If so, would you be the expert that we’re supposed to listen to or the one that doesn’t matter?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I’m saying there’s no value in playing ad hominem games about who wrote articles. Either the conclusions in the article are correct, or they’re not. And there’s no reason to discuss which author is smarter, who has more experience, etc.

            Now, are we going to discuss the actual science or not? (For what must be the fifth time?)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh, so you’re admitting you get to decide whether the conclusions are correct or not? If there is no reason to discuss which author is smarter, who has more experience, etc. then why are you the one who said we have to rely on the experts? You seem to be confused. Smh. Since the “science” actually came from someone which their intelligence, experience, etc. is irrelevant why would one bother to discuss that science anyways? After all, if they’re not smart enough and not experienced enough to conduct what’s needed and properly record the results why would anyone want to discuss that? Again, you seem quite confused.

            Of course we all know why you say that now. Because the only thing that matters is who agrees with you. Because YOU are the expert. Got it. You’re a legend in your own mind. Thanks but no thanks. I’ll stick with God. He knows more than you do.

            And I know what He has said.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I said I wanted to DISCUSS the topic, not that I was smarter, or you were. But you clearly just want to play disingenuous games, insult me, bob, dodge, and weave, and literally do anything but actually have a conversation about the issues.

            So we’re done.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            We can all see what you said. Just as you were the one who said you wanted to disperse with the ad hominems and just proved that a lie as well.

            The only one playing disingenuous games, insulting, bobbing, dodging, and weaving, and literally doing anything but actually having a conversation about the issues is you. Otherwise you wouldn’t be contradicting yourself, citing your evidence, and resorting to empty rhetoric like you just did.

            Now, since we’re done, I gotta get outside and do a few things before dark. Thanks again for publicly displaying what ya got for all to see. Always appreciated when things go back to the Truth with a simple “because that’s what God said”.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Exactly. The spiritually-dead love to tout their “experts”. Right up to the point where they are reminded that not all that long ago those same “experts” considered Homosexuality to be a mental disorder and just a couple decades before that it was considered a deviant behavior.

          Then, like you said, those who they don’t agree with they just dismiss as not being qualified to be an expert. Such as this one who wrote a paper that said there is no such thing as a Transgender:

          “Paul Rodney McHugh is an American psychiatrist, researcher, and educator. He is University Distinguished Professor of Psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the author, co-author, or editor of seven books within his field.”

          And, of course, they don’t buy this either from Psychology Today:

          “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.”

          Anyone who doesn’t drink the Kool-Aid isn’t a “reliable” source. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, and other “mental health professionals” are all “experts” and “authoritative sources” UNLESS they happen to deal with Reality and not see things as they do. Then they’re just bogus imposters who’ve all been “debunked”.

          • hamfish

            Its actually Flavor Aid, if you’d bothered to do your research.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Feeling left out? Here’s your Plato Award!

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        NO medical degree is necessary. Only a mirror. Medical Science would prove only that she is a girl and the “healthy” thing to do is drop the delusion and accept reality.

        But hey, thanks for publicly displaying that you don’t understand something as simple as “We don’t let kids decide what time they go to bed, we sure as heck shouldn’t let them decide they are the opposite sex. We don’t let kids decide what time they go to bed, we sure as heck shouldn’t let them decide they are the opposite sex. “

        • Ambulance Chaser

          You’re right. Luckily no one ever said that kids could choose their own gender. Gender dysphoria happens TO them, the same as developing a tumor or poor vision.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Cite your professional credentials to make such a diagnosis. I imagine most doctors would disagree with your analysis.

            In fact, I don’t have a medical degree but I’m pretty sure most people with a functioning brain can distinguish the difference between a tumor and poor vision and misplaced FEELINGS!!

            Thanks again. You’re batting a 1000.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I don’t have a medical degree, and neither do you. Meaning, we should defer to the experts. Which I do. You, however, think you’re smarter than them and refuse to listen.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            So, according to you, someone needs a medical degree in order to distinguish between a tumor or poor vision and a disordered FEELING.

            Thanks!! Can someone bat 2000?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, you need a degree to measure the patient’s androgen receptors and concentration of gray matter so as to determine whether they meet two criteria for gender dysphoria or not.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Cite your evidence for that statement

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Lauren Hare, Pascal Bernard, […], and Vincent R. Harley, Androgen Receptor Repeat Length Polymorphism Associated with Male-to-Female Transsexualism, Biological Psychology, Jan 1 2009

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh, so now we’re back to the experts do matter? You really need to make up your mind. Just a few minutes ago you said they didn’t matter. That how smart, experienced, etc. they are was irrelevant. So why are you citing them here.

            Which is it?

            “A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:8)

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Companies are bad. The atrocities by the childless merchants and childless politicians. Only those who raised their own children properly with Christian morality should make decisions and have any type of authority in the USA at all.

    • RWH

      Sorry. We don’t have a state Church. Christianity, among its many forms, is one of a number of different religious faiths. We’ll leave it to the fascists to tell people, like the Jews for example, that they have inferior rights to Christians.

      • Amos Moses

        funny how you FAIL to realize that “leave it to the fascists to tell people” is exactly what is being done to christians …….. and with your apparent support ………… and you FAIL to realize what is taking its place ……

        • RWH

          Yes, what is taking place is that so-called Christians are screaming that they don’t have the right to discriminate. The rhetoric is exactly the same as that of the Civil Rights movement. Good Christians in the Bible belt cried like babies because they were no longer allowed to block the access of blacks to all the places where white people went. It’s basically a selfish movement where all the individual thinks of is me, me, me rather than to do service as Christ would command. Does Christ’s command to walk the second mile or to turn the other cheek come in mind? Or would you prefer to be like the others who criticized Christ for dining with publicans and sinners?

          • Amos Moses

            “so-called Christians are screaming that they don’t have the right to discriminate.”

            we retain the right WHETHER or not it is “legal” …. and AS christians ….. we are required to do so ….. to DISCRIMINTATE between right and wrong ….. TRUTH and lie ………

            “The rhetoric is exactly the same as that of the Civil Rights movement”

            and now you seek to conflate race and either mental illness or depravity ……….. FAIL and LOSER argument ………. no ….. what is being done is an ABUSE of the word discrimination and tolerance ……… and you are one of the biggest purveyors of that lie …………

          • RWH

            Amos. What a bunch of psycho-babble! Go ahead and discriminate, and we’ll watch the courts take you apart, piece by piece. Maybe you’ll learn something and stop being a wiseguy when you’re be put through a living hell.

          • Amos Moses

            courts have no control over who i discriminate against or why …… it is called “selective prosecution” for a reason …… even if selected …… they cannot put a stop to it ……

          • RWH

            Amos. I can’t figure out whether you’re just plain argumentative, dense, or downright stupid. If you run a business and you break the rules and discriminate against people, the courts have every right to shut you down. I suggest that you look at the court documents concerning cases where owners have discriminated against people. You can run your mouth off as much as you want, but facts are facts, and you can turn out to be quite the loser–a bankrupt one at that.

          • Amos Moses

            “I can’t figure out whether you’re just plain argumentative, dense, or downright stupid.”

            probably all ….. in your view ………

            “If you run a business and you break the rules and discriminate against people, the courts have every right to shut you down.”

            yep ….. but you know what ….. it does not alter my RIGHTS ONE IOTA ….. my RIGHTS come from GOD ….. NOT MEN ….. and NOT COURTS ………..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay but the courts are still going to punish you.

          • Amos Moses

            Theater refuses to show ‘BEAUTY AND BEAST’ over gay character…

            WOW ….. better ready a lawsuit for DISCRIMINATION ………… booga booga ……..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Non-discrimination laws don’t protect the product, they protect the customer. You can’t be forced to show Beauty and the Beast, but if you show it, you can’t deny a ticket to someone based on their membership in a protected class.

          • Amos Moses

            Gee … they agreed to display it from the distributor ….. and they are denying their customers if they dont ….. tickets or not ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Gee … they agreed to display it from the distributor …..

            Did they? How do you know?

            and they are denying their customers if they dont ….. tickets or not ……….

            OK, and? That’s not illegal. You don’t have a legal right to see a certain movie.

          • Bob Johnson

            And even if the theater was in a contract with a distributor, this becomes a broken contract commercial contact case not a criminal case.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I don’t think any PA Non-discrimination laws are criminal. Most are administrative with a smattering of civil actions.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            “we retain the right WHETHER or not it is “legal” …. and AS christians ….. we are required to do so ….. to DISCRIMINTATE between right and wrong ….. TRUTH and lie ………”

            Okay, then you can suffer the earthly consequences for doing so.

          • Amos Moses

            and scripture says that will happen …… because the world and men are hostile to God ……..

          • Lucius

            Christ “din[ed] with publicans and sinners” because he understood that it is the sick that require a physician. Christ was not condoning their sin. In fact, it was quite the opposite, he was reaching out to cure/save the most sinful. Don’t mistake Christ’s mercy and forgiveness of sin as some type of moral approval. It must certainly was not.

          • RWH

            Christ was accused of eating with publicans and sinners; however, I don’t know what he talked about, and neither do you. The fact remains that he didn’t have a prissy sanctimonious attitude that some people here seek to justify. If Christ had the same attitude as some of these “persecuted” Christians who refused to perform a service to people they disapproved of, He would have told the Samaritan woman at the well to drop dead.

          • Lucius

            “Why does He eat with tax collectors and sinners?” On hearing this, Jesus told them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
            ***************************************************************************
            Pretty sure Christ was not condoning their sin. Mark 2:16-17.

          • RWH

            Well, you can be pretty sure, and I can be pretty sure as well. Both are speculations. However, Christ ministered. He ate with publicans and sinners. We have no record of Christ saying anything like “I’m not going to make you the same type of flower arrangement that I would make for anyone else because I don’t approve of you.” Christ ministered. Period. We have no record of the exact words he said in the majority of cases.

          • Lucius

            Speculative? Really? You honestly think there’s a chance Jesus celebrated the sin of the cheating tax collector, adulteress, and publicans? If so, I think you are just being argumentative. Did Christ celebrate the money changers in the Temple too? Was that what he was doing when he overturned their tables?

            You seem to be one of those folks who wants a “Teletubby Jesus.” A Jesus who says it’s always okay to do what you feel is right and if you’re okay, and I’m okay, then it’s just all okay. I don’t think that is the real Jesus.

            As far as your “flower arrangement” comment, I think Jesus would minister to the homosexual as he would any sinner, but don’t mistake that love and forgiveness for approval. I think he would also admonition the homosexual, like the adulteress, to “sin no more.”

          • RWH

            Well, unless we have a record of the exact words that Jesus used when he associated with the masses, all you can do is speculate, and all I can do is to speculate as well. The difference between you and me is that I’m disputing this notion that you can put words into Christ’s mouth. The bottom line is that I see a lot of people whining and having a selfish attitude instead of serving people they don’t particularly like or approve of. It’s a lot easier to cherry-pick verses that allow us to have a combative attitude.

          • Lucius

            Well I see, you are unmoved, and still believe there is a real chance that Jesus was actually celebrating the sin of those he ministered too rather than trying to save them. It goes against about 20 centuries of Christian understanding, but okay, we agree to disagree.

            But to your main point, when you say “instead of serving people they don’t particular like or approve of” what do you mean? If, as a Christian, I disagree with homosexual marriage. And decide it’s just not something I want to be a part of or celebrate. Is that wrong?

            If I have floral shop and politely decline an offer to make arrangements for a gay wedding, am I the bully/bigot for declining, or is the gay couple the bullies/bigots for bringing a law suit against me, and, in fact, targeting me because they knew I was a Christian, rather than employing one of the other 50 florists in town who would have no problem making the arrangements? Think about it for a second.

          • RWH

            You decline a product to a couple that you would make for other couples, you are discriminating, and people would have the right to take you to court. If you can’t make a flower arrangement for a particular wedding, you don’t offer flower arrangements for anyone. We have moved beyond Jim Crow laws. The courts have pretty much spoken on this, and I believe that Christ would have ministered to these people rather than to bring the Church into dispute. You are certainly welcome to disagree with me, and people have to do what their conscience will allow them. But I don’t think that there is an eternal reward for bringing the cause of Christ into dispute because of an arrogant, condemning attitude as this very small vocal handful of people have done.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Everyone suffered having inferior rights, not just the Jews. Stop whining.

        • johndoe

          I would say the same to you. Quit whining

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Stop stalking. Write independent comments.

          • johndoe

            You’re on a public forum.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You keep following after me meaninglessly here. Whom else do you follow? Keep some basic manners to women. If you have anything nice, it’s because of your Church of Christ upbringing.

        • RWH

          I’m not whining at all. I’m trying to set you straight about some of the realities of American society and law. The problem is that you are not capable of understanding the most basic concept of the American ethos. So, rather than reading a book and learning something, you prefer to make railing accusations.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You guys are anything but American. Too many Non-Americans and Anti-Americans living in the USA today. Americans are supposed to be Christian fair, not baby-killing or perversion-supporting or money-oriented. God will give the land to different peoples. The empire will be dissolved. Christian moral people are the only true Americans.

    • johndoe

      Being christian isn’t what makes you American. People of other faiths and no faith at all have all the same rights as everyone else in this country. No theocracy here

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Your kind of attitude made America pursue evil instead of the good.

        • johndoe

          Not at all. You have no understanding of America. We’re all equal here. Christians are no better than anyone else.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, America treats religious people unfairly. Equality is non-existent in the secular Sodom. Christians are better than everyone else.

          • johndoe

            Nope. They get treated the same as everyone else. No difference. It’s how they treat others that causes the problems.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Giving the sexual pervs equal rights endangers all women and children. The Western culture has become weird and foolishly dangerous because it lost Christianity their only sanity. Atheists only aim population control by murder.

          • johndoe

            Nope. Atheists are not controlling the American population nor are they murdering people. In America, atheists have all the same rights as everyone else.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Atheists and secularists don’t care about human life because they are godless. Atheists have more rights and powers than any other groups in America; that’s the problem. They occupy the public schools to make their Nazi Youth education successful. Germany only had 7% Nazi members to control the entire Germany. It’s how much one would voice and lead and conduct; the rest is sheep. The nation and the people are directed to evil by the godless humanists/secularists/atheists in USA. President Trump and the conservatives will hopefully make some good changes. Americans need Jesus for salvation.

  • InTheChurch

    The court will remove all morals from the land eventually.

  • Malleus

    This is not rocket science. Get the kid to disrobe, and it’s quite obvious it’s a girl, not a boy. Little children can easily distinguish between male and female.

    When something looks fishy, the rule is: Follow the $$$$. There’s a whole industry growing up around trannies. Not just the surgery, but lifelong addiction to hormones and (inevitably) lifelong “counseling” by so-called mental health professionals. Convince vulnerable and unhappy people that they are “really” the opposite sex, and you can get them hooked for life and watch the money roll in. What branch of medicine makes money off people who are healthy and satisfied with life? Plastic surgery makes a killing off people who are unhappy with their appearance. The tranny industry takes that even further, not just mutilating the physical body, but also pumping it full of drugs and sending the patient for counseling for the rest of his life. Capitalism is a great thing in itself, but this kind of nonsense should not be legal, and it would be an even worse crime to have this stuff paid for out of insurance. Making sane, healthy people pay for the mutilation of delusional individuals it not justice, it’s a crime.

    • Chris

      “Follow the $$$$. There’s a whole industry growing up around trannies”

      I agree. The number of ‘ministries’ getting donations from the ignorant and prejudiced to pander to said prejudice. The politicians who pander to those people. It’s sickening. I prefer to listen to the science. Don’t you?

  • meamsane

    Maybe this girl needs to be helped to deal with reality with real medical science, instead of being “treated” with politically correct indoctrination Ideology with junk-science masquerading as real medicine!

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Okay, what “real medical science” should we apply?

      • meamsane

        How about an objective one other than the propaganda that you are always falsely claiming, that the majority, 97% according to you at times, of the medical community says that transgenderism is biologically based? That they are hard-wired to be such? You told this lie again to Amos Moses on this thread I believe.

        I will refer you again to the APA website under transgenderism, which you claim supports your assertion. There is no consensus of those in the medical field as to the cause of transgenderism and that many think there are multiple reasons for the development of this condition.

        Also, studies show that about 80% of children that express such feelings grow out of it! If it was “hard-wired” as you have stated, this would not be the case.
        You throw the word “evidence” around like its some kind of magical incantation! I thought lawyers were supposed to be interested only in facts?

        • Jason Todd

          There is no consensus of those in the medical field as to the cause of transgenderism and that many think there are multiple reasons for the development of this condition.

          There’s a reason for this. It’s called they know it is a form of mental illness, but due to politics they can’t say it outright.

          • antifasciste

            Paranoia is a mental illness.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          “There is no consensus of those in the medical field as to the cause of transgenderism and that many think there are multiple reasons for the development of this condition.”

          Specifically, no. However, there is consensus that A) whatever it is, it’s biological and B) you can’t talk a trans person back into being comfortable as their birth gender.

          “Also, studies show that about 80% of children that express such feelings grow out of it! If it was “hard-wired” as you have stated, this would not be the case.”

          That’s because it isn’t. One study showed that, and the researchers came to that conclusion because 80% of the study subjects never came back for any follow up testing.

          And anyway, you never answered my question. What science do you want to apply?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Cite your evidence for those conclusions

          • Ambulance Chaser

            WPATH Standards of Care for Transsexual, Transgender, and Gender Nonconforming People.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s not evidence either. That’s a reference too. And it’s not even a good one either.

    • antifasciste

      Explain 5-alpha reductase deficiency please “doctor”. Or, does the NIH use what you refer to as junk science?

  • Scott Davenport

    If this is so normal, it’s kind of unbelievable that God of Jesus wouldn’t have made mention of this in the Bible. They did make mention of abominations, and what would happen to people who hurt the children, such as not getting them the mental help they need or indoctrinating them into being the sex you desired… Sorry, Lucifer…you’re never going to win this one… 😉

  • Scott “Sable” Miller

    May these 53 companies go the way of Target and find themselves fighting for their financial lives

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Anyone who chooses to lend any credence or validity to the so-called “Transgender”, if they’re intellectually honest, MUST support “Alien Boy” too. After all, like he said, he’s just trying to make his outside look like what he feels his inside has always been. They are one in the same and any clear thinking human being can see that. The same goes for Parrotman, Tigerman, Catwoman, those who wanna cut off their limbs because they don’t FEEL or think that’s the body they were supposed to have, the 52yo father of 7 who believes he’s a little 6yo girl now, and God only knows what else!

    THIS is what the spiritually dead trolls on here want people to accept as normal.

    • Nedd Kareiva

      Thanks for trying to knock some sense, even unsuccessfully, into the likes of John Doe, RWH and other leftist idiotic wack jobs here. They can’t accept that God made us male & female. He didn’t make some other gender.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        You’re welcome. Though I must admit that I long ago gave up on trying to get them to see any Truth. They know the Truth and rather choose to reject it and live in Denial.

        However, I do hope there are other Christians that might be edified by the sheer and pure logic and reason and even cause some Unbelievers who still have a functioning conscience to see the truth as well.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    This story is the epitome of why Christians need to start stepping up to the plate and offering an alternative to all these companies. Christians can then give our money to businesses that support our values and there are plenty of spiritually-dead folks who still haven’t seared their God-given conscience who would patronize our alternative as well.