‘We Lost Everything’: Bakers Give Emotional Plea in Appealing $135,000 Fine for Declining ‘Gay Wedding’

PORTLAND, Ore. — An Oregon couple who was ordered to pay heavy emotional damages to two lesbians for declining to create a cake for a same-sex “wedding,” resulting in the eventual shutdown of their bakery, delivered an emotional plea on Wednesday as they stood outside of the courthouse where their appeal was taking place.

“I have a strong faith in God, who I love with all my heart. My whole life is dedicated to living for Him in the best way that I know how,” Melissa Klein of the now-closed Sweet Cakes by Melissa read in a statement before reporters outside of the Oregon Court of Appeals.

“America is a place where the government can’t force you to violate your religious beliefs or tell you what to believe, but we feel like that is exactly what happened to us. We lost everything we loved and worked so hard to build,” she said, breaking down in tears.

“We just want the government to tolerate and accept differences of opinion, so we can continue to follow our faith,” Klein explained. “We hope that, even if people have different beliefs from us, that they will show each other tolerance and that we can peacefully live together and still follow our faith. That’s all we want.”

As previously reported, Klein and her husband Aaron were fined $135,000 two years ago after Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries (BOLI) Commissioner Brad Avakian declared that they had discriminated against two lesbian women for declining to help out with the 2014 event.

The Kleins had served the women, Rachel Cryer and Laurel Bowman, in other ways, and the women returned because the couple had treated them kindly.

“I have customers come in almost on a weekly basis that are homosexual,” Aaron Klein told reporters. “They can buy my stuff. I sell stuff. I talk with them. That’s fine. … This was not the first time we’ve served these girls.”

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But because the Kleins said that they didn’t feel comfortable with fulfilling that particular order because of the event that it involved, the women filed a discrimination complaint against the bakers.

“We were being asked to participate in something that we could not participate in,” Melissa stated, outlining that the wedding cake is one of the most personal and intricate parts of the occasion.

Some Christians believe that being a part of a same-sex event violates the biblical command in 1 Timothy 5:22 not to be “partakers in other men’s sins,” as well as the command in Ephesians 5:7, “Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”

After the Kleins were declared guilty of discrimination, Cryer and Bowman submitted individual lists of just under 100 aspects of suffering in order to receive damages. They included “acute loss of confidence,” “doubt,” “distrust of men,” “distrust of former friends,” “excessive sleep,” “discomfort,” “high blood pressure,” “impaired digestion,” “loss of appetite,” “migraine headaches,” “loss of pride,” “mental rape,” “resumption of smoking habit,” “shock” “stunned,” “surprise,” “uncertainty,” “weight gain” and “worry.”

But the Kleins told the court that they too had suffered because of the attacks that they received over their desire to live out their Christian faith in the workplace. They stated that they endured “mafia tactics” as their car was vandalized and broken into on two occasions, their vendors were harassed by homosexual advocates resulting in some businesses breaking ties with them, and they received threatening emails wishing rape, death and Hell upon the family.

As a result, the Kleins had to close their business and move it into their private home.

In April 2015, Alan McCullough, an administrative judge with the bureau, recommended a payment of $135,000, with one of the women receiving $75,000 and the other $60,000. Prosecutors had sought damages of $75,000 each.

Two months later, Avakian officially accepted McCollough’s recommendation and ordered the Kleins to pay the women $135,000 in light of the damages Cryer and Bowman listed.

The Kleins then asked for a stay of the order, but were denied. As the couple initially refused to pay the damages, believing that they had done no wrong, officials moved to docket the judgment and seek permission to place a property lien against the Kleins or collect the money in other ways.

In December 2015, the state emptied all of the Klein’s personal banking accounts—including money set aside to pay their tithe. The Kleins told reporters following the incident that they had three personal bank accounts: one checking, one savings, and one account marked “God’s money” for their tithe at church. The three accounts contained just under $7,000 total.

Faced with a nine percent interest penalty for not paying the $135,000, the Kleins then opted to submit a check for the amount in full, using money donated by supporters that was not in their personal bank account. They dropped off a check for $136,927.07 after realizing that the government had seized their personal accounts.

The funds are currently in an escrow account pending the final outcome of the case.

Outside of the Oregon Court of Appeals, Melissa Klein explained that she would be happy to serve the women again, and noted that the situation was not about who they were; it was about an event that Klein couldn’t personally participate in because of her faith.

“I was happy to serve this couple in the past for another event, and I would be happy to serve them again,” she said. “But I couldn’t participate in a ceremony that goes against what I believe.”

“The government should never force someone to violate their conscience or their beliefs,” Kelly Shackelford, president of First Liberty Institute, which is representing the Kleins in court, also said in a statement following oral argument. “In a diverse and pluralistic society, people of good will should be able to peacefully coexist with different beliefs. We hope the court will uphold the Kleins’ rights to free speech and religious liberty.”


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  • Jenny Ondioline

    “I was happy to serve this couple in the past for another event, and I would be happy to serve them again,” she said. “But I couldn’t participate in a ceremony that goes against what I believe.”

    And that’s your problem right there, Melissa. You aren’t working a church bake sale where you would be free to say things like that. You serve the public.

    • David Hanlon

      Nonsense! It is not necessarily what they believe. A Christians life is based on the Word of the bible. The Word is the Christians ‘absolute’ in life. The Word does not teach them to discriminate their choice in life which is obvious as the bakers are not involved in that decision making. However, if they were to make the cake, then they would be involved in something which goes against the Word that they choose to believe in. People who have no absolute unfortunately will continue to pick on Christians. Personally I think the hatred, mockery and discrimination is more in abundance of many of the liberals who get to poke their fingers into the ribs of both Christians and people that are gay without anyone seeing. That is known as cowardice. Standing up for what you believe in within your boundaries is no longer possible as the liberals continue to bulldoze with the very thing they blaming the Christians of, hate! How misinterpreted their decision has been 🙁

      • Jenny Ondioline

        If they feel that way, they should not be serving the public, period. When you start to judge people for what they do, you have no business selling anything. Homosexuality and gay marriage is one thing. My understanding is Christians don’t look kindly on adulterers either…how many adulterers do you think this cake shop has served with no problem? This is hypocrisy on a grand scale, and one more reason why we separate church and state.

        • David Hanlon

          True authentic Christianity is to Love everyone. If people misinterpret the Bible may be called hypocrisy. They did not judge them, they followed the Word. This is not about looking down at adulterers, homosexuality or any other particular sin. All people are guilty of sin! The difference is that we as Christians do our best to admit what is deemed as wrong in the Bible and to respect, have faith, pray and love those who struggle to do otherwise. Authentic Christianity does not target homosexuals and hit them over the head with the intention to cause pain. If you re-read all the bits of emotion that the accusers wrote down one would have to question the foundations of stability in that person’s life long before they faced this particular case.
          It’s incredibly heart breaking to see how so many court cases in America actually believe that someone can suddenly inherit so many different types of trauma from something such as this. If people feel it’s their right to be liberal minded then that’s their right, their choice and their belief! If you can name me one person who does not judge and is not a hypocrite in this world, let alone a business owner/person then that would be a first for me. Everyone is allowed to practice out there belief despite weather it opposes someone else’s idea of right or wrong and still be allowed to trade.
          I do feel sorry though for the accusers as personally I believe their souls to be fragile, their spirit to be confused and their lives to be complicated but you cannot expect people to believe that because of a wedding cake this all came to pass. This came from their choice to be liberal, their lives to be based on a choice to live without any absolute in their life and unfortunately is an accumulation of their own choices and free will. Unfortunately the accumulated effect of what’s happened in their life has now been blamed on the accused family.

          • RWH

            One of the complications in this case is that the couple managed to release the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of the two lesbians. It wasn’t so much the refusal of the cake as it was the harassment, stalking, and death threats from the good Christians who were out to tell them the sinfulness of their ways. That’s why the couple got the gag order.

          • Michael C

            It wasn’t so much the refusal of the cake as it was the …

            Actually, the damages awarded to the Bowman-Cryers was solely related to the refusal of service, nothing else. Yes, Aaron Klein did post the victims personal information on his facebook (and it was a disgusting thing to do) but he only had around 15 “friends” and the post was removed within a day. There is no evidence that this action resulted in any harassment or threats of any kind. This incident was not considered when awarding damages.

            I’m not sure what you mean about a “gag order” but I do know that the Kleins were specifically told that they were prohibited from saying that their business would continue to discriminate against gay customers. This type of action is actually illegal for all businesses, though. According to the law, advertising an intent to discriminate against a protected class is tantamount to discrimination itself. I don’t know of any other type of gag order relating to the Klein’s case.

          • RWH

            Michael, Thank you for the clarification. “Christian” news
            sites like this one took the liberty to re-brand the order to not discriminate as a gag order. I read the transcript, and you are correct.

          • Michael C

            Yeah, I see a lot of word-twisting.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            That to me shows an inability to separate your religion from how you live your life in the real world where the rest of us are free to live a life FREE of your religion. If you think about it, you’re enforcing the rules of YOUR brand of Christianity on the rest of us, who have the right to NOT follow your faith.

            The real shame to me is that they feel that they cannot be Christians without letting their judgment affect other people. When you serve the public, people should feel like it is a simple business transaction and they shouldn’t feel scrutinized. That’s the opposite of the way Melissa Klein thinks, and so she’s paying a very hefty price for it.

          • bhullgoldenjet9

            And you, too, will one day pay a very hefty price, Jenny…………………………

          • RWH

            That’s right. If you can’t come across with a logical rebuttal, just threaten people with hell and damnation. Threats like this have the spirituality of a gallon of milk left on the Sahara Desert.

          • bhullgoldenjet9

            you should be concerned………………….

          • River Lizard

            I’m concerned that it’s 2017 and people still believe these sick stories in a book.

          • Not Guilty

            You’ll get over it, granny.

          • bhullgoldenjet9

            yes, it’s 2017 and getting later, River……………………it’s not book knowledge but, rather faith………………………………………..

          • RWH

            Actually, I’m not at all concerned with people who can’t add anything to a conversation except threats. Does that really make you think that God loves you more than anyone else?

          • bhullgoldenjet9

            Threats??………….perhaps you’re paranoid?………………………………..

          • RWH

            No. You know exactly what you are doing.

          • bhullgoldenjet9

            Look…………..I’m not threatening you or anybody else with hell and damnation…………………………….you can choose to keep your head stuck in the sand…………………………………………………………..

          • RWH

            Great! You make a very weak attempt at an apology/denial, and they you make another veiled threat in the next sentence.

          • bhullgoldenjet9

            First of all………there was no attempt at an apology………and, yes, I think you’re probably paranoid because there wasn’t any threat implied, veiled or otherwise………………you really are an idiot………typical fascist liberal with no sense (or at least admission) of how the world operates……no more back and forth with you………….have a nice life in your pretend world………………………….(geez……….I hope I didn’t threaten you)………………………………………………………………………………………………

          • River Lizard

            Bhullgoldenjet9..you could very easily be worshiping the wrong god and where will that lead you one day? You know no more than the next religion’s god claims. You see, I disbelieve the 2000+ god claims and you disbelieve all the 2000+ god claims except 1. So your odds are pretty low that you have the correct god. It would be a shame that you burn in someone else’s hell…….wouldn’t it? 😉

        • Nedd Kareiva

          Can you cite where church & state separation are in the Constitution?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            The Supreme Court is the ultimate interpreter of federal constitutional
            law. This means that while the term “separation of Church and State” may
            never appear in the constitution itself, the Court ruling in the case
            of Everson v. Board of Education stated “the clause against
            establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of
            separation between Church and State.’”

          • Nedd Kareiva

            So the Supreme Court is the equivalent of the divine and makes zero mistakes, thus their interpretation is the equivalent of the Almighty. Got it, Jen.

            So your interpretation is based on one court ruling and that one’s Judeo-Christian faith must take a back seat in public life (in this case, to two lesbos, two people who could completely walk away from their lifestyle if they wanted to). It’s two snowflakes & their poor hurt feelings who will use the state to unleash their vengeance on a couple who simply wanted to have a conscience right not to put their personal imprimatur on their talents.

            Got that too.

            Well, maybe you’re right. Maybe Aaron & Missy should have taken the money from those two poor snowflakes, knowing what would await them from state tyrants, and just told the two lesbos, “you know, you want us to violate our God-given conscience to do something we do not feel comfortable in doing. We’ll take your money and donate 100% of it to a pro-traditional marriage group.”

            Works for me. Would work for Aaron & Missy, unless the state would tell them (which I imagine you probably would support), “no, you can’t give that money to groups who support your values”.

            Unless you support the state dictating where their money goes, which, given your tyrannical views, probably support.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            The Supreme Court dictates what happens to all Americans in our everyday life regardless of who we are. Some branch of Christianity you happen to follow (or the Kleins happen to follow) does not.

            Also, no, homosexuals can’t walk away from their “lifestyles” (I prefer the word “lives”) any easier than a person can walk away from their skin color.

          • Nedd Kareiva

            You’re wrong. Google Stephen Bennett. He is a friend of mine and walked away from their lifestyle long ago. Go to his site and call the toll free number if you don’t believe me. He can well speak for himself.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I wonder if he’d stand up to examination from the medical community to confirm his story. I’m guessing not.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Huh, no answer to that one. Strange.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Everybody seems to know somebody who knows somebody who miraculously changed their sexuality. You’d think the fact that it’s impossible to do that would register with them, but no.

      • William of Glynn

        I find it odd that such a devout Christian couple would operate a for-profit business catering to the public instead of working for a church or private religious group.

        • Bobbie Littrell

          actually they do work for the church by the tithes they set aside and give to the church. If they work and make money, a portion is set aside to benefit the church and their workings.

          • RWH

            Yeah! And the keep the other 90% for themselves. If they were working for the church, they’d be giving the 90% as well. One of the reasons why this couple is losing is that they hired a legal firm that uses the same stupid logic. Their firm has a solid losing streak because they give very poor advice.

  • FHRITP

    It wouldn’t take more than 2-3 minutes to prove Melissa does many things each day which go against the religious doctrines she believes in. She’s so accustomed to constantly breaking the tenets of her church when convenient, as all deity followers are, she doesn’t even realize it. No, the truth is if Melissa desires something which goes against her beliefs, like premarital sex, divorce, not keeping the Sabbath day sacred, etc., her desire wins. It’s only when she personally dislikes something, like two guys holding hands near children, which her watered down beliefs disallow that she plays the “it goes against my beliefs” card.

    • Debbie Trimble Wilson

      so you must have known her all your life to know all the sins she has committed. This is not about her sins, we all sin daily. it is about the daily struggle to avoid sin.

    • Michael C

      The Kleins were totally willing to sell cakes to celebrate things like out-of-wedlock pregnancy, stem-cell research, divorce, and pagan holidays. They actually agreed to bake all of these cakes when asked by a reporter for the Willamette Week.

      • Becky

        It’s no secret…they openly stated that they served everyone.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    They will be remembered as the first casuality in US Sodom’s persecutions against the Christians. American Democrats are never sorry for their slavery crimes. This century the victim group is Christians instead of the black people. USA uses homosexuality to subdue and enslave mankind instead of white people’s racism this century. No one should comply with gay West’s immoral demands. Western white people always and for-ever need Judeo-Christian values to make their conscience function properly. There is nothing else to make the nations on Planet Earth do what is right fully.

    • RWH

      Grace. Give it a rest for a change. First of all, if there was persecution against the Christians, it would be Christian on Christian persecution. Secondly, a handful of obstinate people does not equate persecution. We would have to have thousands of documented cases in a country our size. So, apparently, 99% plus of the good Christians out there simply make cakes and flower arrangements. Concerning the Democrats, things shifted during the Civil Rights Era when the Democratic Party supported integration. Within the Democratic Party, those that still believed in segregation fled to the Republicans. Only a handful of Dixicrats remained. However, if we’re going to go about faulting people, what about all of the good Baptist preachers who had white robes in their back closets? All of those nice Christians would go out and lynch a “nigger” on Saturday night and then piously attend church on a Sunday. Blacks who lived through this in the south could tell you stories as people generally knew who was in the Klan. It was once a badge of honor.

      Concerning your vision for a Christian America, your vision is best represented in Margaret Mitchell’s **The Handmaid’s Tale.** In that tale, a Christianized form of Isis and the Taliban gain control and turn society into a living hell, where the leadership brutally suppresses people in the name of Christianity and those that cause problems are brutally killed.

      • This style 10/6

        The Handmaid’s Tale is by Canadian author Margaret Atwood.

        • RWH

          Thank you. I remembered that it was a Margaret something, and I didn’t have my copy of the book at home.

          • mj58

            Must be Alzheimer’s

          • RWH

            Is this contribution the best that you can do?

          • Roder51

            Says the uneducated weasel!

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Westerners including Canadians support perversions if they don’t hold the Judeo-Christian values. Canadians should sing all of the verses of “O Canada” and read their founding documents. You guys got weird by watching naked bodies all the time. Poor your normal Christian ancestors. It’s a tragedy to have a bunch of pervs as one’s own descendants. Get some Christian education to be human again.

          • This style 10/6

            You need help.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA must stop the slavery-by-immorality immediately. The evil never departed from the American blood. Never bash your racist forefathers, okay? You guys are incomparably worse.

          • Roder51

            Westerners are intelligent only when they adhere the Biblical Christianity.

            Really? Is that why Canada is the 2nd best country in the world and Murica’s 6th? We don’t need mouth fed religious dogma. We are much too educated to live in such ignorance and bigotry.

          • jimv1983

            Perversions according to YOUR beliefs. Not everyone shares YOUR beliefs and they should not be forced to follow YOUR beliefs. Freedom of religion does NOT give you the right to discriminate against others.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        But the racist white people of yesteryears were civilized and respectful and were full of excellent things to be mimicked after for all colored people. That’s why countless colored people largely converted to Christianity, the supposedly white men’s religion. They were not that bad comparing to the demon-worshipping pedophile illiterate local savages. They uprooted their own racism on their own, anyway. Today’s secular Western whites are heinous because they blaspheme against Christianity and spread and force the abnormal destructive sexual immorality that destroys all virtues and families and children. Christianity is good. Western white men need Biblical Christianity today to get saved and be good. You guys need foreign Christian missionaries. Thank God that Eastern whites and the Russians are still normal this century.

        • RWH

          Grace. I hope that you’re not saying what I think that you’re saying: that slavery was something good. I suggest that you read some of the slavery narratives. Slave owners raped women to produce additional slaves. Families were broken up. Slaves didn’t try to escape because they had a good thing. They typically didn’t convert to Christianity because they wanted to. They had to.

          You have an image of America that is basically a fiction. People have tried to correct you, and you still persist on spouting off this type of garbage. If you and your type are what you consider to be exemplary foreign missionaries, heaven help us! And if Russia is an example to you of what should be normal, think again! When Crimea went back into Russia, Protestants and Catholics found that their churches and ministries were shut down by the government. There is no freedom of worship there.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Colored people willfully converted to Christianity because so many white Christians especially the missionaries were just superb and outstanding respectable. Japan mimicked the hyper-Europe and the conversion to the Japanese religion was zero. No whites massacred babies or promoted Sodomy in those days. You don’t know history; you are a typical liberal brainwashed by secular education. Read books written by then-Americans to know how Christian America was.

            Eastern Europe does not force Sodomy on its people like the West. They are more normal than the West. The painful experience from atheism’s brutal reign is not going to be wasted there. Russia has some freedom. USA limits Christianity by forcing Sodomy and therefore it is guiltier than most nations including Russia. USA is just a common villain on Planet Earth if it does not follow Christianity.

          • RWH

            Sorry, Grace. I do know history, and I do know about opinionated people who do nothing but show their gross ignorance. I don’t know what particular missionaries you are referring to, but there are lots of examples of forced conversions. Your superb missionaries destroyed an entire culture by burning down libraries when the Spaniards conquered the New World. Things didn’t fare so well for the indigenous peoples when our white Christians colonized Africa. Should we go into the details of the rice Christians in China? I read history from reputable historians, not from the tops of cereal boxes.

          • Roder51

            Woman! You’re as ignorant as the dribble you spew! This is 2017. Get informed or perish!

          • jimv1983

            Forced sodomy? What are you talking about? You need medication.

    • johndoe

      Christians aren’t the only people in America. Gays, atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, etc are all to be treated equally. Just more evidence that you have no understanding of America.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Christians created North America for Christian happiness. Others are mere parasites in the good English Christians’ creation works. Non-christians cannot create a nation like Great Britain, USA, Canada, or Australia; only the English Christians could do. We all benefited from their systematic orderly Christian hard works. Today’s Non-christian English and their mental slaves only uphold infanticide and sexual depravity as seen on today. You guys have nothing meaningful to do in the superb Christian creation, and that’s why you are corrupting the Western Christendom this century with installing the tyrannical sexual immorality. Bullies’ bullying time again.

        • River Lizard

          “Christians created North America for Christian happiness” was that after they killed millions of Native Americans? That’s quite christian of them. Kind of reminds me of your old god in the Old Testament too.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Native Indians killed millions of European whites, too. Wars were on all sides. Whatever they did, historic people are far better than today’s feminized Western men who go into women’s restrooms. Modern men are the worst species in all of history combined. Canaan was destroyed completely because they were child-killing pervs. Meanwhile, God took care of innocent humans forever. You should leave the USA so that the Natives could retake all of the land even now. Don’t invade Mars. Martians hate the Earthlings coming to them.

          • Johndoe

            They were defending their families and lands. You need to stop with your nonsensical rants.

          • Roder51

            Oh please! Harry Potter has more credibility than your boogie man in the sky!

          • Charles

            Lo and behold! Here you are arguing (Spending all this time) with people who believe in a “Boogie Man” as you call it.. Always amazes me how much time you people spend on something you don’t believe exist. Shouldn’t you be off reading your occult based Harry Potter books somewhere?

  • Darren H

    Gays have very expensive feelings – $135,000.

    How much are Christians’ feelings worth? Nothing.

    Doesn’t look like “equality” to me.

    • james blue

      Taking into account that this site doesn’t allow links, can you provide an example of Christians being refused goods an services by someone who objects to Christianity.

      I’m not talking about challenges to 10 commandment monuments outside courts or challenges to bible classes in schools, Specifically a private business that refused to provide goods or services to a Christian BECAUSE it’s for (let’s say) a Christian wedding?

    • FHRITP

      Nonsensical post of the week there, Darren! Some planets are far away – 1,000,000,000,000 miles. How far away is Toledo? 1000 miles. Doesn’t look like equality to me.

    • Mike

      Because we should reward their hateful feelings towards people of a different orientation? You feeling bad about not being able to discriminate according to your superstition isn’t the same as feeling bad for being hated and discriminated against for no good reason.

      • Darren H

        I sense a henpecked husband in the room.
        Did you she order you to post that?

        • Roder51

          I sense a Christard trying to defend a superstition!

          • Darren H

            Go back to your porn.

          • Charles

            “”I sense an uneducated Christian trying to defend his ignorance and bigotry!””..

            I’m sure you know all about this persons education, and then you use “Ignorance”.. Can’t make that up.

          • nude0007

            comments like that reveal your lack of education. You are claiming that this person is henpecked with NO EVIDENCE or foundation for it. You also reveal that you think he can’t think for himself or have an opinion without his wife’s consent. Maybe you are revealing YOUR situation and assuming it applies to everyone else? THAT shows a lack of education as well.

          • Charles

            ha. ha.. I didn’t say anything of the sort. ha ha…Apparently, you can’t read to well. Pointing out that someone is “Uneducated” (Whatever that means) with no basis other than a different opinion is ignorance at it’s best. Take your assumptions elsewhere Yoda.

          • Gigglby Porquist

            un·ed·u·cat·ed
            ˌənˈejəˌkādəd/
            adjective
            lacking an education; poorly educated.
            synonyms: untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, unread, unscholarly, illiterate, unlettered, ignorant, ill-informed, uninformed; More

            Ha! Looks like nude0007 got it right. I guess he’s the educated one, eh?

        • Gigglby Porquist

          Boy…you went to the Skool of Rite Wing Asshats didn’t ya Darren? And it looks like you were probably the top of your class. I’m proud of ya. But now…to complete the courses for your Masters Degree you need to to enroll Trump University. He still has few courses that fall under “Ways of Rite Wing Rudeness.” I think you could benefit from the investment AND you’ll be making our country and our Tyrant in Chief that much wealthier. Win/Win Darren. I’m proud of you.

    • Peter Wlassak

      How many cases of “christian discrimination” do you know?
      I’m shopping in a bakery run by Muslims. They sell cakes etc to gay, strait , Christians, Muslims, Atheist (as I am and they know it), Black, Brown and White…. Always friendly and professional.
      They are just good BUSINESS PEOPLE not MORONS!

      • mtman2

        So then order a cake shaped like a pig wrapped in bacon~

  • james blue

    With the excessive amount of money they raised over the court judgement amounts I find it hard to believe they “lost everything”

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Secular Western culture is so wrong this century. Gay wedding is a sin and no one should be made to serve a sin. Oregon is a human rights abuser.

    • johndoe

      No it’s not. They were asked for a cake.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        A cake to be used for gay wedding must never be required of the Christians because gay wedding is a sin.

        • Trilemma

          Gluttony is a sin therefore Christian bakers must never sell cakes to people who are overweight.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Everyone commits gluttony one way or another. Only rich abnormal American pervs demand mankind to bake a cake for gay wedding. You guys have too much of everything to spare and are proud. No slavery to Western white pervs. Never again.

          • Trilemma

            What? It’s okay for Christian bakers to support gluttony because everyone commits gluttony? Nope. No slavery to gluttons.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No one is crazy enough to ask Christians to bake a cake to celebrate over-weight or gluttony or divorce or even living-together. It’ll be rejected as well anyway. Sodomic West singles out and demands Christians to bake or make something that celebrates sins of homosexuality. That’s the problem, a global problem, simply because the West is rich and powerful. May God spare the world from the perv Westerners. The racists were not mentally ill or baby-killing or addicted to abnormal depravity.

          • Trilemma

            Christians celebrate gluttony whenever they have a pot-luck lunch or dinner and everyone loads up their plates with ridiculous amounts of food including cake.

            Is it okay for a Christian baker to make a wedding cake for a heterosexual couple who divorced their previous spouses for irreconcilable differences?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. They are just dining and having a good fellowship. People almost always over-eat in private. If the knowledge of the sin is clearly revealed, yes, Christians can reject to help out such wedding including baking a cake for them. Some re-marriages are Biblical.

          • Roder51

            If a skill testing question were ever compulsory to log onto facebook you bigots and uneducated morons like you would be at a disadvantage.

          • nude0007

            uh, no. gluttons do it anywhere, not just in private. You should get an education before making broad, sweeping statements that are false, just to try to back up your fallacious attitudes.

          • Johndoe

            So more of your insulting Americans.

          • IHaveTehBestDerps

            As a person of Jewish heritage, comparing some closed minded idiots catching the repercussions of being generally hateful to nazi Germany the way you did pretty much looses you any credibility you may have still had. You are so fucking upset about those poor bigots that you compare them having to pay a fine to torture and genocide. Fucking trashy. Get educated. And I mean with text books not fucking fairy tales.

          • Johndoe

            Oregon has public accommodation laws that supersede your religious views.

          • nude0007

            uh, no. everyone does not commit gluttony. You are mistaken. Christians are the “rich abnormal American pervs” who are insisting they have a right to discriminate against others, and they are also the ones who are usually overweight. Goodness and intelligence would be cooking cakes for ANYONE, no matter what their religion or political stance. Christians don’t seem to get fairness and goodness means doing it to everyone, not just other christians. The only slavery in this issue is the christians to their evil ideals

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, today’s Westerners and well-fed rich kids should never bash the people who existed yesteryears. No exception. What a sight to see modern overweight people, young and old, slandering yesteryears’ slender hard-working people by whose hard works they live well today. It’s been all wrong. Non-Westerners do not bash their own ancestors. The stupid bashing of ancestors happens exclusively in the well-fed Ex-christian West, because secular Westerners hate Christianity their own ancestor’s only sane religion for the last 2,000 years.

          • nude0007

            there’s too much insanity in that statement to even reply to. wow

        • Manny Panning

          Oh, I agree…..as long as (along the way to moral perfection per the Bible) the bakers assure the following:
          No one involved in the wedding is tattooed.
          There will be no pork, shellfish, or other unclean foods served at the wedding.
          No mixed fabrics involved
          The cleric is male (assuming a church wedding)
          No men with damaged genitals will be allowed into the church (assuming a church wedding
          The bride’s virginity is medically established.

          Otherwise, it’s just your personal ick factor with divine authority as an excuse.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. The Holy Bible declared all food clean for the New Testament era. If the cake is not for celebration of tattoos, it’s okay; tattooed people may be in remourse of those. Fabric purity signifies the single-heartedness to the Lord today. Some Christians can reject to help if if it’s known to them that the presiding pastor is a female, indeed. Prohibition of damaged body parts is only for the Old Terstament era. Jesus freed everyone from the inability to approach God. Read the Book of Hebrews. The non-virgin bride could have been a victim of a crime; she is innocent in that case. Learn things properly.

          • nude0007

            no, YOU are wrong. Jesus said quite clearly that he came to FULFILL the law, not do away with it. IT is all still valid. Only the method of salvation was changed. IF you are going to follow a book, please read the whole damn book.
            Sorry, christians have NO RIGHT to refuse service to anyone, no matter what you think your holy book says. That is the LAW. IF you don’t like it, move to another country. I suggest something in the middle east. Your religious dictates do NOT trump American law.

          • Sharon_at_home

            When Jesus came to earth, the laws of the Jews was still expected to be followed by the Jews. The Gentiles were not expected to follow those laws because they never had had to. They were to follow the 10 commandments from the Old Testament but Jesus commanded everyone to follow the 2 Greatest Commandments: “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”
            Also: the dictionary defines Gluttony as excessive eating and drinking. But I’ve always seen it depicted as people that go way beyond a plate of good food. It’s usually a repetitious behavior not a one time event.
            Christians aren’t more perfect than others necessarily, but we are supposed to try to be better people at all times when we follow Jesus.

        • Johndoe

          Sorry but businesses are held to the standard of law not religion

    • Dufferdent

      How many weddings have they served that served shellfish? How many weddings have they served where the bride and groom were wearing clothes made from 2 different threads? Christians are bigots that hide their hatred behind the bible!

      • Vince

        Oh look, another AIDS-spreading pedophile.

        Fcked any little boys today, perv?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Read the previous comments. The Holy Bible declared the Gentiles’ food clean in the New Testament era. Mixed fabric signifies only the heart’s purity. No one commits idol-worship or treason with mixed fabric now, and it’s okay in the New Testament era. You are wrong on the Christians. The well-fed secular Westerners got a mental illness out of boredom, and that’s why they force homosexuality’s reign upon mankind in the 21st century. It is a disgrace as a human being to submit to perv Westerners today. The culture has major defects. You guys are not good when you oppose the Holy Bible. There has been no exception to it.

        • Johndoe

          So now Americans are mentally ill? You need help.

        • Dufferdent

          You’re a bigot, end of discussion. The bible you worship is a fairytale book of myths written by bronze age desert wanderers. If you are gullible enough to believe such nonsense thats fine, but dont push your nonsense on everyone else. Just because people live a different lifestyle than you, doesnt nean theyre bad people, or wrong, or that you are any better. In fact, i would much rather have gay neighbors, than some judgemental asshole like you living next to me that wants to push their fucking beliefs on everybody!

        • Roder51

          Oh look Daddy! Another hate filled, bigoted and backward Christard!

        • nude0007

          the culture that has major deadly defects today is the christians who think they are above the law and want to do EVIL, like discriminate, when they should be teaching love and acceptance. THAT is what needs to be fixed. NOT american law. The bible IS evil. God says he is evil, the author of evil and tells his followers to do evil in his name. That is why good christians do NOT discriminate or follow teh bible exactly, they have a better moral guide that tells tehm the bible is WRONG about many things and they are wise enough to follow their morality and not the edicts of an evil god. Too bad you are not one of them

      • Not Guilty

        You nailed it!

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Ya, he revealed his perfect illiteracy on the Holy Bible.

          • Roder51

            I think you mean the holy superstition! At least that’s what an intelligent and educated person would call it.

    • Aria Clements

      They chose to open a business that is subject to nondiscrimination laws. If they didn’t want to provide equal service, they should have choses not to open a business.

      By the way, how is making a cake for a couple of people sinning?

    • nude0007

      sin is a fiction, just like the book it comes from. The rest of us do not have to live by penalties from your book of fiction. Actually, you don’t either, but you definitely do not get to discriminate based on it

  • Lexical Cannibal

    Curiously absent from this article: That the Kleins lauched a fundraiser on Continue to Give that netted them about $423,000. Why leave that out?

    I’m sure it was an accidental oversight. Certainly not a willing omission to serve the narrative. Certainly. That would be lying, after all, and lying is a sin.

    • RWH

      Actually it is a sin. It is the sin of calling these people out on an inconvenient truth that they wish to keep concealed.

  • Michael C

    The primary question is this; Should it be legal for businesses to deny employment, housing, and public accommodations (service at stores and restaurants) just because a person is gay? In most of the country, this type of discrimination is still legal. In Oregon, it is not.

    A bakery would not be permitted to refuse to “participate” in an interfaith marriage (by providing a customer with a regularly offered product or service) even if interfaith marriage was in opposition to the business owner’s strongly held, personal religious beliefs. Nor would it be permitted to refuse to “participate” in an interracial wedding even if interracial marriage was in opposition to the business owner’s strongly held, personal religious beliefs. While religion, race, and sexual orientation are all very different characteristics, none of them can be used as the basis for discrimination in the state of Oregon.

    And as for the Kleins “losing everything,” over HALF A MILLION DOLLARS was donated to them. I’m not too concerned over their financial situation.

    • Nedd Kareiva

      So I presume you have no concern either with the Kleins suffering death threats & property vandalism either, would I be correct?

      So also, if I understand it correctly, Cryer (oh, the irony of the name) & Bowman suffered headaches & high blood pressure simply cuz Aaron & Missy refused to put a personal endorsement of their lifestyle on one of their creations for them, would I be right?

      So furthermore, if I get their pain, Laurel & Rachel began to smoke & overeat due to Aaron’s & Missy’s refusal to add their imprimatur to their work.

      IOW, Laurel & Rachel were compelled to suffer physical problems & engage in unhealthy practices due to the Kleins unwillingness to create a special cake, never mind the fact that lesbo behaviors frequently cause such problems to those who voluntarily engage in such practices.

      To use a Curly phrase from the 3 Stooges, “pardon me if I laugh…..nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.”

      Theater of the absurd.

      You’re funny, Mike.

      • Michael C

        So I presume you have no concern either with the Kleins suffering death threats & property vandalism either, would I be correct?

        No. You are incorrect. Any crimes that may have been committed against the Kleins are just that, crimes. I made zero intimation of supporting crime in my comment. It appears you’re just trying to stir the pot and create new and unrelated arguments.

        As for the rest of your comment, I’ve said nothing to defend the damages awarded to the Klein’s victims. Christians who have been subjected to discrimination have also made claims of emotional suffering and have also been awarded comparably large sums of money by courts.

        Have a nice day.

        • Nedd Kareiva

          ” I’ve said nothing to defend the damages awarded to the Klein’s victims.”

          Of course you didn’t, Mikey, but it’s in the story, isn’t it? You obviously support this ridiculous figure of damages, based on your previous hostile comments about Aaron & Missy.

      • johndoe

        Why would anyone support death threats or property vandalism? Both are criminal acts and the perpetrators should be held responsible.

        • Nedd Kareiva

          Did I say I supported that? Moreover, did that actually occur? Is it possibly you’re buying into fake news?

    • Lucius

      Would we have the same law suit if a Muslim caterer refused to serve/handle pork at a Christian wedding? I think not.

      In any event, I think this is LGBT activist bullying of the highest order. I suspect there are plenty of other cake bakers nearby who would be more than willing to participate in a gay wedding. I think it is no coincidence that this Christian bakery was targeted. In legal terms, it is a called a “test case.” Basically, a Christian bakery was told to participate in a ceremony you find morally objectionable or lose your business to a lawsuit. Not sure if like the underlying motivations of the LGBT activists on this one.

      • Michael C

        Would we have the same law suit if a Muslim caterer refused to serve/handle pork at a Christian wedding?

        You don’t seem to understand how non-discrimination laws work. Lemme use a restaurant as an example. A restaurant can decide for themselves what food items will be on the menu. If the restaurant doesn’t want to serve pork, they don’t put on the menu. If a customer asks for pork, they say “sorry, it’s not on the menu.” This is not discrimination because they don’t serve pork to anyone.

        Now, if pork is on the menu, the restaurant cannot refuse to serve a customer a pork dish just because the customer is Jewish, or Chinese, or a woman, etc.

        In the case of your Muslim caterer, if pork is not something that their company offers, they’re free to tell the Christian couple to fly a kite. No laws broken

        In the case of Sweet Cakes, they customer asked for a product no different than what the business readily provides for other customers. To refer to the restaurant analogy, the customer pointed at the menu and said “I’ll take this, please.”

        I suspect there are plenty of other cake bakers nearby who would be more than willing to participate in a gay wedding.

        Firstly, no business is allowed to discriminate. Do you really think it would be okay to tell a black person “You can’t eat here, but it’s okay because the restaurant across the street serves your kind”?

        Second, nobody asked the Kleins to “participate” in anything. The customer wanted to purchase a product that the business advertised.

        I think it is no coincidence that this Christian bakery was targeted.

        As it says in the article, this business was not “targeted” on the basis of the shop owner’s religion. These were repeat customers.

        So the primary question should be “Should it be legal for a private business to decline to provide its services at or participate in a […] wedding based on sincere religious objections”

        Good question. Should a private business be permitted to “decline to provide it’s services at or participate in” an interracial wedding if they’re doing so on the basis of “sincere religious objections?”

        According to the law, I say no.

        What do you say?

        • Ambulance Chaser

          No, because then people would simply make up whatever “sincere religious objection they wanted every time they didn’t feel like serving someone.”

  • William of Glynn

    “In a diverse and pluralistic society, people of good will should be able to peacefully coexist with different beliefs.”

    And indeed this coexistence would have continued, had the Kleins simply avoided discriminating against the couple.

    • Nedd Kareiva

      Uh, they didn’t discriminate, given their prior business with these two snowflakes. They just didn’t want to put a personal imprint on one of their designs.

      You got a problem with that?

      • johndoe

        Yes I do. If you cannot serve the public at large it’s time to go private. They know what the public accommodation laws are in Oregon, yet they chose to break them.

        • Lucius

          “They know what the public accommodation laws are in Oregon, yet they chose to break them.”
          ****************************************************************************
          So your position is either participate in a gay marriage (which you find at odds with genuine religious convictions) or lose your means of income? The power to exclude a man from the marketplace and from a means of income is the power to control his life. Not good.

          • Trilemma

            The law the Klein’s chose to break does not require them to participate in a gay marriage. The Kleins were already participants in their own marriage.

        • Nedd Kareiva

          So religious liberty & one’s conscience must take a back seat to Oregon’s statism. Got it, JD.

          Look who’s intolerant here. You!

      • Michael C

        They just didn’t want to put a personal imprint on one of their designs.

        What do you mean by this? What “personal imprint” was requested by the customer?

        • Nedd Kareiva

          I guess you haven’t read the background of the case, choosing to make your comments solely based on the details CNN put in their piece here. Take a little time to find out what was asked of Aaron & Missy. They’ve done business with these two lesbos before. They just didn’t want a personal input of their lifestyle from their hands.

          • Michael C

            Take a little time to find out what was asked of Aaron & Missy.

            The customers asked for a wedding cake. Sweet Cakes sold wedding cakes. The customers asked for something that the business regularly sold to the general public.

            The customers did not ask for anything that the business wouldn’t have happily offered to other customers.

            Those are the facts.

  • Ginger

    The Occult WorldPeace Plan | The United Nations | Lucis Trust Proponents of world peace claim that humanity is moving into the New Age of the World. This new age movement allegedly and transition into a new era for society; a time of peace, joy and harmony among the citizens of the world.
    This new age utopia includes the formation of a new religion – the religion of the New Age. But the new age religion is not a religion. It can best be described as spiritual humanism because it involves the creation of a spiritual system that does not worship the God of the Bible. Instead, the ‘god’ of the new age spiritual movement is Lucifer.
    This new one world religion preaches tolerance. It is tolerant of every religion except Christianity. Every Christian needs to know about the not so secret agenda of the peace movement.
    Everything that is happening is foretold in the Bible, but there are few really standing to sound the trumps of warning. They off on some fly away doctrine that is NOT Biblical that came out of the mouth of an ill Scottish teenager in 1830.

    • nude0007

      the bible is a fictional set of tales. We know that for a fact. IT doesn’t have any predictive powers. It’s rate of accuracy at prediction is significantly LESS than mere chance. I wouldn’t count on it as a valid source if I were you. The odds are against it.

      • Charles

        Thanks for having absolutely no clue about the Bible, or what it contains.

      • Ginger

        You say the Bible is fiction, but I study it to see what is says is all taking place. It is the people who know the Bible least that are the people who criticize it most.

  • Lexical Cannibal

    Earlier today I posted that the Kleins had made $420,000 from a crowd funding source and implied that this article had neglected that detail to sell the narrative. I stand by that, but my comment was deleted.

    You tell me, what other reason would the author have to fail to acknowledge this very relevant detail?

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Are you stupid? That’s nothing for trials’ cost. They are ruined in front of all Americans. There is no hope for freedom unless Americans wake up and repent. It’s the secular West’s militant inclusiveness of sexual depravity that persists as the top global crisis.

      • Lexical Cannibal

        Leading right in with an insult, huh? I’m sure what you lack in civility, you make up for in piety.

        But no, you’re right, being sued isn’t free. Their case was taken on pro bono, however, by the Alliance Defending Freedom which is a huge chunk of the normal cost of litigation, meaning that while I don’t have a totally solid estimate for you, we’re very likely looking at the thousands to the lower tens of thousands, certainly not approaching the hundreds of thousands. Ambulance Chaser might be able to better refine that, if he gets the chance.

        Maybe I’m wrong. If you think I am, please show me a better source. From where I stand, though, the Kleins made bank off of this. I don’t see them walking away with less than $300k in profit.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          I don’t think so. “We lost eveything” means a lot deeper. Secular people don’t understand anything because you guys don’t stand for anything true or good and always care only about money. Sodomic USA poses danger to all Christians and moral people.

          • Wing_Zero_75

            And you stand for what? You cant call the god you worship good after his kill count in the bible or the laws and rules you people so love to cherry pick. True? You have never studied the history of the bible or the surrounding cultures of that time to find out that the bible is nothing more than a bunch of stolen myths from merging cultures. Moral people? You call christians moral? Ive had my laugh for the day. matthew 10:34-39. I have more of a moral compass as a moral nihilist than your book commands you to have. You people are a joke and dont know your faith. But, I used to be like you. I used to knock door to door and bring the “good news” to unsuspecting people. Then I learned the truth about the religion and have never looked back.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. God brought mercy and justice upon the earth. Bibleless humans are barbaric one way or another and Post-christian West is a Sodom. Christianity alone brings life and teaches mankind right. You don’t know anything about Christianity.

          • Wing_Zero_75

            I take it you have never fully read your bible. Your god didnt bring mercy if he created a hell. That is seriously a narcissistic relationship. If you dont love the thing you think created you, he sends you to hell? Thats mercy and love and compassion, right? It is sad to see someone so entrenched in to the death cult you call christianity.

          • Johndoe

            The native people of America didn’t need christiany. You brought diseases and death. Stop insulting

          • Lexical Cannibal

            See, there you go again with all the insults and not a lot of substance. You…do understand you’re being insulting, right?

            What you’re saying here would be equivalent to me saying something like “Christians don’t understand anything because they think their god will get angry if they learn facts.” It’s mean-spirited, untrue, and regardless of whether or not that’s my actual opinion, I keep it to myself because it’s so shockingly rude that it immediately derails whatever conversation you’re trying to have, like it’s done right now.

            Court fees may be exorbitant, but being polite don’t cost a dime.

            And speaking of court fees, you’re also trying to pivot from what trials cost in dollars to the more vacuous “so much more.” So which is it?

          • Johndoe

            More insults? Wow! This atheists family comes first.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Your numbers are pretty good. Attorneys run conservatively $300 an hour, plus the external expenses, filing fees, investigators, press releases. If the law firm works only six hours a week on a given case, after 2 years you’ll be looking at north of $200 grand.

          I, too, can’t imagine how they’re broke if the entire fine plus some was paid by donors.

      • Johndoe

        Yup, more insults from a christian

  • Amos Moses

    New Registry Allows Engaged Same-Sex Couples To Choose Which Christian Florist To Put Out Of Business

    • Roder51

      Christians want to run governments in America while paying no taxes.Can’t get more republican than that.

      • Charles

        Weird? I don’t recall Christians having to pay no taxes?

        • nude0007

          weird. no churches do and you don’t know that? Just how dumb are you willing to reveal about yourself?

          • Charles

            Again. Your comprehension is stunning….

            “Christians want to run governments in America while paying no taxes.Can’t get more republican than that.”

            He didn’t say Churches did he? He said “CHRISTIANS”…

          • mtman2

            Non profit Einstein…

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Working in cotton field or building the railroad is itself a noble labor, but serving Americans’ Satanic rituals such as gay wedding is truly a shameful thing for every human being on earth. USA must immediately stop forcing people to contribute to the abnormal sexual depravity. Sin has no equality with anything. Rich better-off Westerners even lost common sense after losing out Christianity. Normal people must never be ordered around by sexual pervs; it’s the worst kind of slavery. Christian Americans must refuse to serve the Sodomites’ Satanic rituals – the only way for the truth and freedom to remain in America.

    • RWH

      Grace. Maybe you think that working in a cotton field all day without pay, to go home to substandard housing and poor food, to have your children taken away from you, or having them and your husband sold, or even worse, being raped by your master, is a good and virtuous thing. The Chinese, many of whom built the railroads, didn’t fare a lot better. We don’t need foreigners looking at our history with very dirty rosy glasses. If you were a white male, you started off with all of your rights. The women and the minorities had to wait to get the right to vote and to hold the same types of jobs as your cherished white men.

      Grace. Do read some history books written by people who bothered to get a good education and who got their works published in refereed books and journals. We don’t need people who get their history off of bubble gum wrappers.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    “I will give thanks to You, Lord, with all my heart; I will tell of all Your wonderful deeds. I will be glad and rejoice in You; I will sing the praises of Your name, O Most High…

    …The nations have fallen into the pit they have dug; their feet are caught in the net they have hidden. The Lord is known by His acts of justice; the wicked are ensnared by the work of their hands. The wicked go down to the realm of the dead, all the nations that forget God. But God will never forget the needy; the hope of the afflicted will never perish.

    Arise, Lord, do not let mortals triumph; let the nations be judged in Your presence. Strike them with terror, Lord; let the nations know they are only mortal.” (quoted from Psalm 9)

    • Nedd Kareiva

      Grace, I see you’ve been taking bullets from the anti-Christian left for your comments, which I largely concur with and are well taken. It is a badge of honor to wear. I commend you for doing so, citing scripture in the process but I would also encourage you to learn how to do deal with these nuts and address them on their grounds, whose arguments are frequently weak, devoid of substance and can often easily be rebutted.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Psalm 10

    1 Why do You stand afar off, O Lord?
    Why do You hide in times of trouble?
    2 The wicked in his pride persecutes the poor;
    Let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.

    3 For the wicked boasts of his heart’s desire;
    He blesses the greedy and renounces the Lord.
    4 The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God;
    God is in none of his thoughts.

    5 His ways are always prospering;
    Your judgments are far above, out of his sight;
    As for all his enemies, he sneers at them.
    6 He has said in his heart, “I shall not be moved;
    I shall never be in adversity.”
    7 His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and oppression;
    Under his tongue is trouble and iniquity.

    8 He sits in the lurking places of the villages;
    In the secret places he murders the innocent;
    His eyes are secretly fixed on the helpless.
    9 He lies in wait secretly, as a lion in his den;
    He lies in wait to catch the poor;
    He catches the poor when he draws him into his net.
    10 So he crouches, he lies low,
    That the helpless may fall by his strength.
    11 He has said in his heart,
    “God has forgotten;
    He hides His face;
    He will never see.”

    12 Arise, O Lord!
    O God, lift up Your hand!
    Do not forget the humble.
    13 Why do the wicked renounce God?
    He has said in his heart,
    “You will not require an account.”

    14 But You have seen, for You observe trouble and grief,
    To repay it by Your hand.
    The helpless commits himself to You;
    You are the helper of the fatherless.
    15 Break the arm of the wicked and the evil man;
    Seek out his wickedness until You find none.

    16 The Lord is King forever and ever;
    The nations have perished out of His land.
    17 Lord, You have heard the desire of the humble;
    You will prepare their heart;
    You will cause Your ear to hear,
    18 To do justice to the fatherless and the oppressed,
    That the man of the earth may oppress no more.

    • Roder51

      To summarize…………..This came from a book where snakes talk, people live in whales and virgins have babies!

    • Bob Johnson

      You are starting to up vote your own comments. You need to keep your different sock puppets straight.

      • Fur Hunter

        Bob…..I always love your sense of humor and sarcasm. Please keep it up.

    • Hoffy Coffy

      Let’s pray that it comes soon and He tells us, “No more, come on home.”

    • John Bartlett

      Why don’t you just stick that verse up your twat.

  • Mark

    How would the Klein’s feel if a Jewish cashier at the grocery store, refused to sell them a pork roast??

    • RWH

      If the Kleins tried to buy a washing machine at the same store, they would have been refused. It isn’t discrimination if the store doesn’t offer a certain product to everyone. However, if the same merchant sold a Christian couple a pork roast but refused to sell a pork roast to the Kleins, that would be discrimination.

      • Mark

        Agreed.

    • Ally

      Fire him, because he cannot serve the ‘public’. LGBT people are THE PUBLIC as well. You got ‘god issues’? Work for a church.

      • Mark

        Dear sister in Christ.
        You just proved my point.
        The public has to be served, regardless of the religious of the religious differences.

  • Steven Weir

    It wasn’t the fact they wouldn’t bake the cake that cost them the damages. It wasn’t the fact that they declined the wedding. The lawsuit came because these people publicly attacked two women who have just as much as right to love as any heterosexual Christian. You people need to read the details of the lawsuit, these people are scum, and the original gofundme was basically Christians coming together to support scumbags.

  • Garden of Love

    Those two women will answer to God for their persecution of Christians. If their goal was to get a cake, they could have done so very easily without trying to destroy these people. If the two women are that cruel and vindictive, I can not imagine their “marriage” will be happy. Eventually they will do what all hate-filled people do, turn their malice on each other.

  • Dufferdent

    Will they bake a cake for farmers that plant 2 different crops side by side? How about people who’s wedding attire is made from different threads? Ill bet alot of the weddings they baked cakes for also served shellfish! Christians try to hide their bigotry behind the bible, and when they get called out on it they cry discrimination. Christians dont dislike gays because of the bible, they dont like them because they think its yucky. Well get over it people, the gays are here to stay, and i think they’re fabulous.

    • Not Guilty

      Speak the truth, bro!

  • Old Top Kick

    Religion is a mental illness. All religions. If your fairytale beliefs don’t permit you to serve a particular group in society then don’t run a public accommodation. Nobody is forcing you to marry someone of your gender and that’s where your freedom to discriminate with impunity ends.

    • mj58

      Yes!!!

  • Alfreda

    If they had just shut up and baked a cake they wouldn’t be in this mess. They are bakers.

    • Nedd Kareiva

      If the state respected the wishes of business owners not to endorse a lifestyle that millions of Americans have issues with (ignoring the 1st Amendment in the process), the Kleins wouldn’t be in this mess.

      • Alfreda

        Millions of other people aren’t as close minded or full of judgement as your millions. Equality for all, not just for the ones like you. <3 and peace.

  • Gabe Ruffi

    ….Did they just say mental rape?

    • Malleus

      Unattractive women have an obsession with rape.

      Not hard to figure out why.

      • Gabe Ruffi

        Also pretty impressed that they managed to lose their appetite and gain weight in the same instance

        • The General

          Not only greedy, but they appear to be pathological liars too.

  • Visceron

    People and their feelings. Obviously, if oyu made the cake and had 2 females names on it for a wedding, it wouldn’t have cost you $135,000. That’s what you get for practicing religion in your business. Separation of Church and state. If you make a business, expect customers you dont like to want some of your services. Don’t force your belief in your imaginary friend onto them.

    • Nedd Kareiva

      Where’s separation of church & state in the Constitution? I can’t find it.

  • Black Opal

    christians (I refuse to capitalize the word) make a conscious choice to be hateful, immoral scum. No sympathy, period.

    • The General

      Here’s a comprehensive list of all the Christians on earth that want the approval of homosexuals:

      1.

      • Black Opal

        I take it you think I’m gay. 😄

      • RWH

        Try all of the Fortune 500 companies who fought against the legislature in Indiana when they tried to make discrimination against gays legal. The same can be said for North Carolina and the case that will go before the Supreme Court. The overwhelming majority of those that run these companies or serve on advisory boards claim membership in Christian churches. The tide is even turning in our evangelical churches. Most people under the age of 50 in these churches seem to have no problem with gays.

  • Ally

    The whole concept of ‘sin’ in insidious! A Christian cloak can’t mask your self-righteous stench. The mental illness of radical Christianity must be dealt with via the moderate Christians. They don’t need to be coddled, they need to be shamed.

  • Mike

    Oh the irony. “We just want the government to be tolerant and accepting of differences of opinion.” But we don’t have to accept differences in opinion or lifestyle. If our religion says we can be bigots, then bigits we shall be. And YOU need to be tolerant of our intolerance.

    Give me a break. I’m glad they lost everything. Couldn’t have happened to nicer people.

    • Michael C

      They didn’t actually lose everything. Through a couple of crowd-funding sites, over half a million dollars has been donated to them. Apparently, discriminating against gay customers is extremely lucrative.

  • Frank Atkisson

    My religion says that I don’t have to wait for you if you’re crossing the street. I’m supposed to just run you over.

    Right of way laws are oppressing me and robbing me of my religious liberties. Why should I, as an American entitled to free expression of my beliefs, be forced to wait for slowbies and cripples when they my religion clearly prohibits me from waiting on the slow and the lame?

    Am I supposed to just spit in the face of God and obey these onerous laws, or should others have to respect my beliefs and just stay off the roads if they’re not of the agility that God commands we be to cross the road as He says is right?

    All I want is to be able to express my beliefs in peace without people threatening me and promising to come to my home and kill me over it.

    Why is it ok for me to be oppressed like this?

  • jimv1983

    Absolutely no sympathy for them.

    • 0pus

      Typical. Gays care for no one but themselves.

      • jimv1983

        I’m not gay. I just have no sympathy for those that experience misfortune as a result of their discrimination.

  • SFBruce

    Once again, there is no ambiguity in Oregon law: it’s illegal for a public accommodation to discriminate based on sexual orientation, a law which the Klein’s broke. As others have pointed out, they’ve received donations far exceeding the 135,000 dollar fine. A fundraiser was initiated on one website where 109,000 dollars was raised and given to the Klein’s, and there remains an active fundraiser on another site where, to date, 282% of a 150,000 dollar goal has been reached. The Klein’s claim to have “lost everything,” but the facts are clear: breaking the law has been quite profitable for the Klein’s.

  • Hoffy Coffy

    Is there a way to support these people financially? I’d say for every misplaced and anti-christian comment, we should donate $5.00. I’d do it. Just point me in the right direction.

  • Aria Clements

    They chose to violate nondiscrimination laws, and are paying the penalty for it. Well, more like donors are. They didn’t even have to pay the penalty. So they can stop whining.

    • Denny

      Sick people take pleasure in the suffering of others.

  • mindful citizen

    Let’s be clear: they weren’t fined for not baking a cake, they were fined for breaking the law and for violating the public trust placed in them when they obtained a business license. If they did not want to serve gays, they could have said they were too busy that month. But they wanted to “stand’ for something, and draw attention to their bigotry. In doing so, they broke the law.

  • John Bartlett

    I am so glad they lost “everything”! Why don’t you just pray to get “everything” back.

  • Jane Lutz

    Modern Christians make horrible martyrs, the whining is truly amazing. Prior Christians have been crucified, burned alive, drawn/quartered, whipping, torture, and more for standing up for their beliefs, to cry about earthly money for standing up for their faith? Pathetic. True Believers would happily “render unto Caesar” for their beliefs.

    • Charles

      It happens everyday in the world. They never stopped killing Christians..

  • kennethdower

    Boo hoo.Nobody ever told you religion is a matter of private conscious? And when you’re in business, you’re in business period, regardless of your private thoughts? Well then, fuck you, and suffer the consequences, you stupid dumb fucks. Have fun being a martyr for an empty cause, you un American fucking pieces of shit.

  • AmexicanVoter

    If the way the Kleins handled this matter was just in the eyes of God, I am sure he will bless them in other ways. If I went to a tailor and he would make me a dress, but refused to make my wedding dress because I was Jewish marrying a Muslim, or black marrying white, or mentally impaired marrying mentally impaired, I would feel discriminated against. You will take my money for one thing, but you refuse me service if it doesn’t agree with your beliefs. Don’t have a public business.

  • 0pus

    So much compassion on this thread. “I’m glad they lost everything.” What a bitter, vindictive group of people, taking such pleasure in hate.

  • Fur Hunter

    What can I say? Maybe their Christian Church will give them the money to pay the fine, if they are so concerned. Let’s see how Christian they are and step up to the plate. I’m not holding my breath. And to all you ignorant fundamentalist out there, it’s called discrimination. But, as I have said before, they will never get it.

    • Kaz

      “Compassionate homosexual” is the ultimate oxymoron. What a bunch of vindictive old women.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    Gay is a choice!!!