Profane ‘Pastor’ Welcomes Open Homosexuals, Admits He ‘Doesn’t Care’ What Bible Says

BOTHELL, Wa. — A profanity-speaking preacher who has lost hundreds in his congregation over his decision to allow open homosexuals to serve in leadership positions, and who says he “doesn’t care” what the Bible has to say on the issue, is featured in a new online video that has received over a million views in less than a week.

Ryan Meeks is the founder of EastLake Community Church in Bothell, Washington, which identifies itself as “an inclusive Christian community where faith is less about a story to be believed as it is a life to be lived.”

In 2015, Meeks announced that he believed a “move of the Spirit” caused him to rethink how he had handled the issue of homosexuality. In the April 8th video released by Upworthy, Meeks—amid clips of profanity usage—noted that he used to shy away from the topic.

“When it came to the conversation around the LGBT community and church policy, or what does the Bible say about homosexuality, I always felt awkward about it. I didn’t want to bring it up,” he explained.

“I felt like I needed to scare people into believing the right thing because the God who loves them is going to send most of human history to Hell,” Meeks said. “That’s the Good News? Sounds pretty [expletive]!”

He outlined that when one of the members of the EastLake worship team came out as a lesbian and feared that she would consequently lose the right to serve, he questioned how he had come across to others.

“[M]y heart broke and I just realized I had been a coward for too long,” Meeks recalled.

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He decided that EastLake would therefore be “open and affirming” going forward. However, he knew that the choice would carry consequences and he might lose the congregation.

“I took so many sit-down meetings where people with their open Bible would be like (pointing to the Scriptures),” he said, mocking their insistence to hold to the word of God.

According to the Upworthy video, hundreds left EastLake over the decision, which resulted in the loss of $2.8 million, the layoff of staff and the closure of its campuses.

But despite the backlash, Meeks has not changed his mind.

“I don’t care if the Bible says, ‘Gay people [crude language],'” he declared. “The Bible is pro-slavery, both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. It doesn’t have a very great view of women leading and teaching. I have lots of things I disagree with about the Bible.”

“We’ve decided [the Bible] fell from the sky and now we’ve got to [use] it like a manual for how to run the Earth, how to legislate morality. And that’s not what it is,” Meeks asserted. “If we need to consult an ancient book to know what to do when a human being is in front of us, I think we’re [crude language] already.”

The video has received mixed response from its over one million viewers.

“As a bi-sexual Christian, this is the kind of church we need more of. I only found one that wholeheartedly accepted me and I had to move away so couldn’t continue going there. They also loved me regardless of the fact I had a child out of wedlock as a single mother. Anywhere else I’ve gone has tried to force me to change,” one commenter wrote. “Judgment is not love.”

“Homosexuality is a sin like any other sin. God loves us so much that He doesn’t want us to remain in our sinfulness, but He wants to transform us by the renewing of our minds—to go from glory to glory,” another stated. “We are all born into sin, and homosexuality was not how God created us to be intimate with one another. Any Bible believing, Holy Spirit-filled Christian will come to this conclusion.”

As previously reported, Christians believe that homosexuality—like any sin—is a part of the Adamic sin nature that must be regenerated by the second birth, as Jesus outlined in John 3:5-7, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”

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  • Clae Brewer

    I just have to post this scripture, LOL!! 2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;

    • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

      The sad thing is that there are a lot of Churches today proving this scripture to be true. So many Churches these days are leaving the Truth and have begun teaching lies.

      • summergirl27

        They are the church of Laodicea …Rev 3:14

        • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

          I agree.

      • jf

        the apostate church….. “let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. ” 2 Thessalonians 2:3

      • It is definitely sad that we’re seeing this come to light in our day.

        • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

          Yes very sad.

      • Tonya Elise

        Do people that Sin deserve to be saved no matter what sin it is? Look at your own sin and your life. Do you Deserve to be saved? I am a sinner “we all are” I do not deserve to be saved in God’s grace but My lord died for all my sins so that i may be with him in the Kingdom of God. JESUS Loved everyone !!! and you call yourselves “Christians” ??? My
        sins are mine Not for you to judge. At least LGBT the profess to be
        Christian and not Satanist. Your sins are not for me to judge Or did you
        pick and choose to which part of the BIBLE to believe in? I say what
        ever to “so-called” Christian. So how many Sins have you done in your
        lifetime? If you are LGBT but, still claim Christianity You are Saved.
        John 3:16. There is Not deception in being a Christian. Jesus is the way
        the truth and the light no one goes to the Father but by Him. Forgive
        those the Sinned against you. Well, LGBT has not Sinned against you. I
        am a Christian and i have been one since a early age. I am LGBT
        (Trans-gender since the age of 7) I am a Christian. Your hate is a
        rather a sin, is it not? The word Christian mean Christ-Like But, we
        were all born into sin. Those the come together in my name will be
        saved. You better go back and reread you Bible and try to understand the
        meaning of what was said in it. There is not greater sin. The only
        major sin is to deny God. NOW are you a Christian or just a “so-called
        Christian?

        • sylviacroft

          But the difference between a true Christian and one who thinks God has to accept them on their own terms is this: I hate my sin and try not to keep doing it. Once you accept your sin and want to keep doing it and think God will accept you on your terms instead of His: “Repent and believe the Gospel.”, you don’t have a chance of getting into heaven.

        • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

          Wow, you have a real problem with hate.Although you are accusing me of hate. I am adding you to the ones I pray for.
          Shalom

    • The exact same Scripture I was going to post but no need to. Thank you brother Clae.

    • Romans 1:32
      Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
      Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
      (That judging seems to the subject of this article: the profane man judges his evil friends to be acceptable to God.)

      • sylviacroft

        Actually that scripture is saying that the man who judges a certain sin in another person when they are doing the same thing is condemning himself.

        • So you judge. It should bother you that that interpretation is holding the book of Romans to be incoherent.

          • Annette Martin

            Have you ever been told to “use good judgment” in a situation? There is good use of judgment and bad use. Good judgment appraises the value and truth inherent in something.

  • Amos Moses

    “Profane ‘Pastor’ Welcomes Open Homosexuals, Admits He ‘Doesn’t Care’ What Bible Says”

    OBVIOUSLY ……………

    • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

      It is very sad when a Pastor says he doesn’t care what the Bible says. More sad for the ones who do not leave his Church.Even more sad for the ones who will come to his Church because he doesn’t care for the Truth anymore.

  • bowie1

    He is more of a universalist than anything else.

    • William of Glynn

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      • NewTestamentChristian

        Universalism is a false doctrine. “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few….Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will qenter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not uprophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:13-14, 21-24).

        • Trilemma

          Surprise! Both the narrow gate and the wide gate enter into Heaven.

          • Sharon_at_home

            ummm… No it’s the narrow gate that leads to Heaven.
            The wider gates are the gates that are the way to Hell. Because it is the easier one so it’s the one people who don’t follow all God’s commandments, but have sinned and not repented for those sins.
            That’s how I understand it anyway.

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Matthew 7:13-14
            13 Enter through the narrow gate For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.14 But small is the gate and marrow the road that leads to life.and only a few find it.

          • WorldGoneCrazyBDeadLongLiveWGC

            Happy Resurrection Sunday, Lady!

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Thank you! 🙂 Happy Resurrection day!

          • Trilemma

            It says the broad road leads to destruction. It does not say it leads to eternal consious torment in a fiery Hell. Whatever this destruction or ruin or loss is, it must take place in Heaven.

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            One road leads to God and the other leads not to God.If it the broad road leads to destruction I’m sure heaven is not a place that has destruction. The word broad is wide.
            One definition of broad is …………..
            Something that is broad is wide.
            A broad smile is one in which your mouth is stretched wide.

          • Trilemma

            The Lake of Fire is a place of destruction. The Lake of Fire is in Heaven. So, destruction does happen in Heaven.

      • bowie1

        I wonder if that’s why some people claim to have seen more than a few pastors in Hell in NDEs, who did not preach the gospel as it is written.

  • fights

    You either believe the Bible is the Word of God or it’s not. If it’s not then how do you know what’s truth? Our emotions get us in trouble over and over again.

    • Charles

      True.

      (Jer 17:9) The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    • Copyleft

      You’re not suggesting literal acceptance of every chapter and verse, are you? That’s called fundamentalism, and it’s completely unworkable because of all the Bible’s many contradictions.

      • fights

        Uhmmm, my God is being enough and powerful enough to create the universe and everything in it including life, I’m pretty sure He can keep the Bible intact.

      • NewTestamentChristian

        What “contradictions” do you speak of? There are none.

        • Trilemma

          The genealogies of Matthew and Luke don’t match. That’s one.

          • fights

            Explain what you mean. How do they not match exactly?

          • Trilemma

            In the NASB, in Matthew the father of Joseph is Jacob and in Luke the father of Joseph is Heli.

          • fights

            This By Bodie Hodges:
            Why does Joseph (Jesus’s supposed father) have two different fathers listed in Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23?

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            Matthew 1:16
            And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ.
            Luke 3:23
            Now Jesus Himself began His ministry at about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, the son of Heli.
            First, a few preliminary comments need to be addressed. Luke’s genealogy is complete, and Matthew’s is merely a selected one. Matthew’s genealogy was not meant to be complete according to Matthew 1:17, where it is specifically broken into groups of 14.

            The two genealogies trace through two of David’s sons, and both trace to Abraham. Matthew focuses on the kingly relationship through David and, ultimately, to the Jewish patriarch Abraham. However, Luke doesn’t stop there. He continues to trace Christ’s genealogy back to Adam. Luke focuses more on the humanity of Christ going back to Adam, where sin and death first entered into creation—hence the need for a Savior in the first place.

            Another note is that both genealogies are aware of Mary’s virgin birth. For example Matthew says: “Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom (feminine) was born Jesus.” Luke is more obvious in that he says: “being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph.”

            With regards to the alleged “two fathers” of Joseph, the explanation of the differences between Matthew 1 and Luke 3 is quite simple. Luke traced Christ’s lineage through Mary, while Matthew traced it through Joseph.

            Matthew’s Genealogy
            One of the main reasons Matthew is recording Joseph’s lineage is due to Jeconiah (variant spellings: Jechonias, Jehoiakim). He is listed in Matthew 1:11. Because of Jeconiah’s actions, a prophecy came down that none of his descendants would ever sit on the throne of David. Jesus, who forever sits on this throne, could not have been a physical descendant of Jeconiah (Jeremiah 22:30). A virgin birth would obviously prevent this.

            This indicates that Matthew’s genealogy is Joseph’s, and this confirms the significance of the feminine verbiage. When Matthew mentioned Joseph’s wife, Mary, at the end of the genealogical list, he used the feminine form for the parent of Jesus. This reveals that Jesus was indeed Mary’s son and not Joseph’s.

            Luke’s Genealogy
            When looking at Luke 3, the genealogical list is strictly men from Jesus to Adam, whereas in Matthew’s list, some women were included, such as Tamar, Ruth, and so on. So, if this were a genealogy of Mary, then she would be listed.

            JOSEPH, WHEN HE MARRIED MARY, BECAME THE SON OF HELI ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES AND COULD LEGALLY BE INCLUDED IN THE GENEALOGY.
            Moreover, in the genealogy, Heli is listed as the father of Joseph, who had 2 daughters. The first is Mary, and the other was Zebedee’s unnamed wife (Matthew 27:56; John 19:25). When there were no sons to preserve the inheritance in accordance with the Law of Moses (Numbers 27:1–11; Numbers 36:1–12), the husband would become the son upon marriage to keep up the family name. Therefore, Joseph, when he married Mary, became the son of Heli according to the Law of Moses and could legally be included in the genealogy.

            Also, in Luke’s genealogy the form is different from that of Matthew’s. Matthew’s list gives the father and who they begot (Greek gennao). In Luke the form is different, where X is the son of Y. But more precisely, the word son is absent in Greek, but only inserted into English so we can better understand it. The only place where son is used in the Greek is in verse 23 where Jesus was the supposed son of Joseph, of Heli, of Matthat, of Levi, and so on.

            Luke is being very precise. Jesus was thought to be the son of Joseph, who was of Heli. Notice that Luke never said that Joseph was the son of Heli in the Greek. This reduces the alleged contradiction to nothing and shows that Luke’s genealogy is Mary’s—with Joseph’s name listed due to inheritance laws—and Matthew’s genealogy is Joseph’s.

          • Trilemma

            With regards to the alleged “two fathers” of Joseph, the explanation of the differences between Matthew 1 and Luke 3 is quite simple. Luke traced Christ’s lineage through Mary, while Matthew traced it through Joseph.

            This is pure wishful thinking. If Matthew had not included a genealogy then absolutely no one would suggest that Luke was giving the genealogy of Mary.

            Moreover, in the genealogy, Heli is listed as the father of Joseph, who had 2 daughters. The first is Mary, and the other was Zebedee’s unnamed wife.

            More wishful thinking. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Heli only had daughters. Nowhere in the Bible are the parents of Mary named. In the Gospel of James, Joachim is named as the father of Mary. Based on Luke, Mary was more likely a Levite. When Mary went to live with her cousin Elizabeth and Zechariah for three months, the only way she could have eaten their food was if she were a Levite.

            Luke is being very precise. Jesus was thought to be the son of Joseph, who was of Heli. Notice that Luke never said that Joseph was the son of Heli in the Greek.

            In the genealogy, Luke never said that David was the son of Jesse or that Solomon was the son of David either. If Luke is being very precise, then Joseph was the son of Heli in the exact same way that David was the son of Jesse.

          • fights

            You’re grasping. You’ll find out one day and I pray it’s before you die.

          • NewTestamentChristian

            When one places the two genealogical lists side by side, several factors become immediately apparent that combine to dispel the appearance of conflict.

            First, Matthew reported the lineage of Christ only back to Abraham; Luke traced it all the way back to Adam. Second, Matthew used the expression “begat;” Luke used the expression “son of,” which results in his list being a complete reversal of Matthew’s. Third, the two genealogical lines parallel each other from Abraham to David. Fourth, beginning with David, Matthew traced the paternal line of descent through Solomon; Luke traced the maternal line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan.

            A fifth factor that must be recognized is that the two lines (paternal and maternal) link together in the intermarriage of Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. But the linkage separates again in the two sons of Zerubbabel—Rhesa and Abiud. Sixth, the two lines come together once again for a final time in the marriage of Joseph and Mary. Joseph was the end of the paternal line, while Mary was the last of the maternal line as the daughter of Heli.

            The reason Joseph is said to be the “son” of Heli (Mary’s father) brings forth a seventh consideration: the Jewish use of “son.” Hebrews used the word in at least five distinct senses: (1) in the sense used today of a one-generation offspring; (2) in the sense of a descendant, whether a grandson or a more remote descendant many generations previous, e.g., Matthew 1:1; 21:9; 22:42 (“begat” had this same flexibility in application); (3) as a son-in-law (the Jews had no word to express this concept and so just used “son”—e.g., 1 Samuel 24:16; 26:17); (4) in accordance with the Levirate marriage law (Deuteronomy 25:5-10; cf. Matthew 22:24-26), a deceased man would have a son through a surrogate father who legally married the deceased man’s widow (e.g., Ruth 2:20; 3:9,12; 4:3-5); and (5) in the sense of a step-son who took on the legal status of his step-father—the relationship sustained by Jesus to Joseph (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3; Luke 3:23; 4:22; John 6:42).

            Notice carefully that Joseph was a direct-line, blood descendant of David and, therefore, of David’s throne. Here is the precise purpose of Matthew’s genealogy: it demonstrated Jesus’ legal right to inherit the throne of David—a necessary prerequisite to authenticating His Messianic claim. However, an equally critical credential was His blood/physical descent from David—a point that could not be established through Joseph since “after His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18, emp. added). This feature of Christ’s Messiahship was established through His mother Mary, who was also a blood descendant of David (Luke 1:30-32). Both the blood of David and the throne of David were necessary variables to qualify and authenticate Jesus as the Messiah.

          • NewTestamentChristian

            When one places the two genealogical lists side by side, several factors become immediately apparent that combine to dispel the appearance of conflict.

            First, Matthew reported the lineage of Christ only back to Abraham; Luke traced it all the way back to Adam. Second, Matthew used the expression “begat;” Luke used the expression “son of,” which results in his list being a complete reversal of Matthew’s. Third, the two genealogical lines parallel each other from Abraham to David. Fourth, beginning with David, Matthew traced the paternal line of descent through Solomon; Luke traced the maternal line through Solomon’s brother, Nathan.
            A fifth factor that must be recognized is that the two lines (paternal and maternal) link together in the intermarriage of Shealtiel and Zerubbabel. But the linkage separates again in the two sons of Zerubbabel—Rhesa and Abiud. Sixth, the two lines come together once again for a final time in the marriage of Joseph and Mary. Joseph was the end of the paternal line, while Mary was the last of the maternal line as the daughter of Heli.
            The reason Joseph is said to be the “son” of Heli (Mary’s father) brings forth a seventh consideration: the Jewish use of “son.” Hebrews used the word in at least five distinct senses: (1) in the sense used today of a one-generation offspring; (2) in the sense of a descendant, whether a grandson or a more remote descendant many generations previous, e.g., Matthew 1:1; 21:9; 22:42 (“begat” had this same flexibility in application); (3) as a son-in-law (the Jews had no word to express this concept and so just used “son”—e.g., 1 Samuel 24:16; 26:17); (4) in accordance with the Levirate marriage law (Deuteronomy 25:5-10; cf. Matthew 22:24-26), a deceased man would have a son through a surrogate father who legally married the deceased man’s widow (e.g., Ruth 2:20; 3:9,12; 4:3-5); and (5) in the sense of a step-son who took on the legal status of his step-father—the relationship sustained by Jesus to Joseph (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3; Luke 3:23; 4:22; John 6:42).
            Notice carefully that Joseph was a direct-line, blood descendant of David and, therefore, of David’s throne. Here is the precise purpose of Matthew’s genealogy: it demonstrated Jesus’ legal right to inherit the throne of David—a necessary prerequisite to authenticating His Messianic claim. However, an equally critical credential was His blood/physical descent from David—a point that could not be established through Joseph since “after His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 1:18, emp. added). This feature of Christ’s Messiahship was established through His mother Mary, who was also a blood descendant of David (Luke 1:30-32). Both the blood of David and the throne of David were necessary variables to qualify and authenticate Jesus as the Messiah.
            Once again, the Bible’s intricate complexities shine forth to dispel the critic’s accusations, while simultaneously demonstrating its own infallible representations. The more one delves into its intricacies and plummets its intriguing depths, the more one is driven to the inescapable conclusion that the Bible is, indeed, the Book of books—the inspired Word of God.

      • fights

        Yes, do share with us those many “contradictions”.

      • Annette Martin

        No contradictions. Paradoxes, yes. It has been been said ” true intelligence is the ability to understand a paradox”. The bible is sometimes literal and sometimes figurative. Like any good literature it is many layered. I think we get that, but thanks!

    • Tonya Elise

      Some are just Christians in name only. Do people that Sin deserve to be saved no matter what sin it is? Look
      at your own sin and your life. Do you Deserve to be saved? I am a sinner
      “we all are” I do not deserve to be saved in God’s grace but My lord
      died for all my sins so that i may be with him in the Kingdom of God.
      JESUS Loved everyone !!! and you call yourselves “Christians” ??? My
      sins are mine Not for you to judge. At least LGBT the profess to be
      Christian and not Satanist. Your sins are not for me to judge Or did you
      pick and choose to which part of the BIBLE to believe in? I say what
      ever to “so-called” Christian. So how many Sins have you done in your
      lifetime? If you are LGBT but, still claim Christianity You are Saved.
      John 3:16. There is Not deception in being a Christian. Jesus is the way
      the truth and the light no one goes to the Father but by Him. Forgive
      those the Sinned against you. Well, LGBT has not Sinned against you. I
      am a Christian and i have been one since a early age. I am LGBT
      (Trans-gender since the age of 7) I am a Christian. Your hate is a
      rather a sin, is it not? The word Christian mean Christ-Like But, we
      were all born into sin. Those the come together in my name will be
      saved. You better go back and reread you Bible and try to understand the
      meaning of what was said in it. There is not greater sin. The only
      major sin is to deny God. NOW are you a Christian or just a “so-called
      Christian?

      • fights

        Lots of judgement towards someone who said the Bible is 100% God’s Word. It sounds like you need to take all that up with God, not me. I’m a sinner saved by the grace of God. I daily repent and need Jesus. And still trying to figure out where I “hate”. That sounds more like your issue.

  • Malleus

    I wonder what his motive might be in attracting gay men to the church?…

  • DOMINIYKE

    IT IS JUST SIMPLE ANY MAN OR WOMAN OF GOD WHO DONT CARE ABOUT WHAT THE BIBLE COMMANDS OF COURSE DO NOT AGREE WITH GOD AND BELIEVES HE/SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN GOD AND THEIR IS NO NEED FOR THEM TO EVEN USE THE BIBLE BUT CREATE THEIR OWN BIBLE AND TEACHING. IT IS JUST SIMPLE!! WHY STILL DECEIVE THEMSELVES.

    • Chris

      Why are you shouting? On the internet to write completely in capitols is usually interpreted as someone shouting these things. Please take the caps lock off and talk like a regular person.

  • Bill Payne

    The scriptures bear witness to the will of God and mediate his authority to us. They are inspired. The bible’s revelation is give to people in real social contexts. It takes those contexts seriously. Slavery was a social fact when the bible was written. However, Christians were not allowed to use it like others. Ultimately, the witness of the church caused it to be abolished. However, the NT is not about social transformation. It is about kingdom transformation. In other words, instead of preaching against political things, the NT authors preached the kingdom of God and invited people into God’s reign. When the world aligns with Jesus, social evils no longer have any legitimacy. When we want to use the bible as a tool for social engineering, we misuse it. Also, repeatedly, the scriptures teach that in the kingdom gender roles, ethnicity, social status, slavery, and age do not define Christians and should not divide them. The same scriptures always prohibit homosexual conduct within the church. Those who practice it will not inherit the kingdom and are disqualified from it. When a pastor untethers himself from the authority of the scriptures, he becomes his own authority. That’s what Satan did. This leads to a false gospel and may result in the damnation of his people. If you belong to his church, flee from it.

    • Lena Williams

      AMEN!!!

    • TheKingOfRhye

      Excuse me, but I’m a longtime atheist, and I found a few of things you said right there interesting.

      Oh, before I go any further, don’t try to convert me; it would be nothing but a waste of keystrokes on your part, trust me. Apologies if you no intention of doing such, too.

      But, I found it interesting that you mentioned gender roles among the things that shouldn’t either define or define Christians. By that, do you mean something like, Christians should not feel they have to adhere to traditional gender roles? I’ve heard a lot of Christians, especially the more conservative types, who would vehemently disagree with that. I mean, I agree with that among people in general, but I’m not really even trying to judge if it’s truly Christian or not. (I’m neither qualified, nor interested. As far as I’m concerned, if someone says they’re a Christian, who am I to tell ’em they ain’t?)

      • Bill Payne

        In Christ there is neither male nor female. The scripture points to a spiritual truth that Christians are called to live into. That is not a political statement. Christianity has political implications to the extent that it transforms culture; however, it is not inherently political. That’s why political theology is so dangerous. It refocuses the church on society building.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          “Render unto Caesar”, right? I wish more Christians kept that in mind.

      • sylviacroft

        The Scripture is saying that when we are in Christ we are all equal. One is not better than the other. We are all on equal footing with God. The key being those who are in Christ.

      • Annette Martin

        It means that god regards both male and female as equal in value.

    • Faithwalker

      Thank you for a word of truth.

  • Rick

    He has placed his allegiance on the alter of the god of this age. Where is the church board? There are many in that comgregation responsible for this heretical move.

    • Alvin Chipmunk

      They should fire the pastor. Hundreds left because of his straying from the truth. Same questions pop up in my mind too.

    • Sharon_at_home

      Maybe the church board quit too.

    • Tonya Elise

      Who are you to judge? Do people that Sin deserve to be saved no matter what sin it is? Look
      at your own sin and your life. Do you Deserve to be saved? I am a sinner
      “we all are” I do not deserve to be saved in God’s grace but My lord
      died for all my sins so that i may be with him in the Kingdom of God.
      JESUS Loved everyone !!! and you call yourselves “Christians” ??? My
      sins are mine Not for you to judge. At least LGBT the profess to be
      Christian and not Satanist. Your sins are not for me to judge Or did you
      pick and choose to which part of the BIBLE to believe in? I say what
      ever to “so-called” Christian. So how many Sins have you done in your
      lifetime? If you are LGBT but, still claim Christianity You are Saved.
      John 3:16. There is Not deception in being a Christian. Jesus is the way
      the truth and the light no one goes to the Father but by Him. Forgive
      those the Sinned against you. Well, LGBT has not Sinned against you. I
      am a Christian and i have been one since a early age. I am LGBT
      (Trans-gender since the age of 7) I am a Christian. Your hate is a
      rather a sin, is it not? The word Christian mean Christ-Like But, we
      were all born into sin. Those the come together in my name will be
      saved. You better go back and reread you Bible and try to understand the
      meaning of what was said in it. There is not greater sin. The only
      major sin is to deny God. NOW are you a Christian or just a “so-called
      Christian?

      • Clae Brewer

        Yes we were all sinners, HOWEVER! The Newman in Christ should refuse to claim sin as a WAY OF LIFE. This is the error formatted in a LIE that gays are confused about. Gays refuse to turn away(repent) instead they believe God gave them the appetite to be gay.(this is a lie) Are you a child of the light or of the darkness? Choose one. but as God behold His son in each believer in Jesus, He see us as righteous. It’s one thing to say” I Hate that I sin” and it’s another to say” I choose to sin and refuse to repent besides God loves me any way” this is called a lie and a reprobate. The SIN with gays is UNBELIEF and if you believe there is change in a persons life that testifies of God’s grace and goodness then there is no way you can come to the defence of any sin. Other then that, most gays delight in same sex extravaganzas, and refuse to change because they in fact embellish the option to defy the word of God. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
        Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

        The fruits of a believer is to abstain from sin, and identify conforming to the mind of Christ. Not keep sinning while pointing at everyone else’s crap.

  • Charles

    “”In 2015, Meeks announced that he believed a “move of the Spirit” caused him to rethink how he had handled the issue of homosexuality.””

    Oh, it was a “Move of the Spirit” alright. Problem is, it wasn’t God’s spirit. It was Satan’s. Congrats, you’ve been deceived like the majority of the World.

    • TheLastHonestLawyer

      That’s exactly what people said about Martin Luther and the other leaders of the Reformation. Also about Vatican II and its reforms.

      So unless you’re a traditionalist Catholic who attends Latin Mass, you are worshiping in the footsteps of someone who was accused of following Satan.

      • Charles

        Accursed by an apostate Church?!! I’ll take that as a compliment. Thank you.

        • TheLastHonestLawyer

          The wooshing sound was the point sailing over your head. Every single modern church has been denounced as the work of Satan at some point because it violated conventional ideas.

          • Charles

            Homosexuality isn’t a “Conventional” idea. It’s a very new very apostate one. It to bring numbers in. Money is usually the root of it.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Homosexuality is as old as sex, and if it’s such a new idea, why do y’all keep claiming the Bible decries it?

          • Charles

            Is isn’t that homosexuality is a new concept obviously, (Sodom and Gomorrah). What’s new is the Churches accepting it. That is new. They are, leading their congregations into believing that God accepts it. He doesn’t accept it. No more than Murder, being a thief, or any other sin for that matter. God requires change.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Sodom and Gommorah is a “new concept?’

          • Charles

            No I said the opposite. I said it’s a new concept for Churches that accept it.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            This is kinda going off on a tangent, but, okay, that Biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. I get the general gist of it, I suppose, as to why homosexuals are called Sodomites. Stupid question, maybe, but why aren’t they aren’ they called Gommoreans or Gommorrheans? Gommorrahites?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Because it’s hard to spell.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            And it doesn’t roll off the tongue like “Sodomites”, either.

            Though maybe that could be taken to mean a double entredre….

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            God used to demand animal sacrifices that were burnt on his altars (Genesis 4:2-4, Genesis 8:20-21, Genesis 15:9-17, Exodus 20:24, Leviticus 8:14-25, Numbers 18:17-19, and Deuteronomy 12:27.)

            That changed. Same for the vast majority of rules in the Bible that changed over times. So why can’t this be a divinely ordained change that God is passing on now that He’s judged us ready?

          • Charles

            For starters, God requires payment for sin. Those sacrifices have been done away with. He sent his Son, the Saviour Jesus Christ for payment. Only a few things changed. Not even close to the vast majority of Laws. Also, NEVER in the Bible is homosexuality condoned. EVER. Not once.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            I Sam 17:57-18:9, 1 Sam 19:1-7, 1 Sam 20:1-42, 1 Sam 23:14-18, 2 Sam 1:1-27.

            David and Jonathon star in Brokeback Israel.

            I noticed that you completely failed to address my point, which was that inside the Bible God has changed his mind mind and requirements multiple times. He also seems to have no problem with there being literally thousands of religions all claiming to be the right one. So why couldn’t this pastor be divinely inspired?

          • Charles

            “”I Sam 17:57-18:9, 1 Sam 19:1-7, 1 Sam 20:1-42, 1 Sam 23:14-18, 2 Sam 1:1-27.

            David and Jonathon star in Brokeback Israel.””

            Don’t think so. Though it certainly shows where your perverted mind is at.

            “”I noticed that you completely failed to address my point, which was that inside the Bible God has changed his mind mind and requirements multiple times. He also seems to have no problem with there being literally thousands of religions all claiming to be the right one. So why couldn’t this pastor be divinely inspired?””

            God hasn’t changed his Laws. Read the Bible more. How do you hide the real God? You surround him with fakes. Why would that bother God? It doesn’t work against his sheep anyway.. Thank the Lord.

          • sylviacroft

            David and Jonathan were not homosexuals! They were friends who loved each other more than their own lives. Love does not always denote sex. It’s called loyalty and a knitting together of hearts.

          • Thor

            Those sacrifices were foreshadowing the once and for all sacrifice of Christ. Nothing changed. That was the plan.

          • sylviacroft

            It’s not that it changed. The Old Testament showed in shadows and patterns a picture of Jesus Christ. When He came He said He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. He was the embodiment of everything that had to do with the worship of God in the Old Testament. Instead of thousands of animals sacrificed for people’s sins to be forgiven, Jesus, the perfect, sinless sacrifice died once for all time for all who would accept Him as their sacrifice. His death and resurrection made it possible for mankind to be set free from being a slave to sin if they accept Him and have a change of mind and heart. That is to be converted. To come to agreement with God about His ways and turning away from their own ways.

          • Ginger

            It is Lucifer’s specialty sin. God does not change His laws do not change, it is people who are mixed up in the Babylon system.

          • Gail

            Homosexuality is not a new sin, but is as old as sin itself. There’s nothing new under the sun as far as human behavior is concerned; just repackaged each generation. Read Romans chapter 1 for a refresher on human behavior.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Homosexuality isn’t a “Conventional” idea.”

            You’re missing the point. TheLastHonestLawyer wasn’t saying that it is, I don’t think. He or she was saying that churches get called Satanic, or apostate, or whatever because they go AGAINST conventional ideas. (Such as, say, the idea that homosexuality is immoral.)

          • Charles

            They aren’t apostate going against conventional ideas. They are apostate because they go against God in a place that claims to know God.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Exactly. Change is hard, and when we’re talking about the will of the divine as interpreted by man, it’s easy to scream “heretic!” and deny the change.

            Never works, as evidenced by the number of changes seen in most world religions over time.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well…honestly, when you say “will of the divine”….as atheist for more than half my life, that phrase means nothing to me.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            I’ve been an atheist for a very long time. But when discussing religion we need to use the correct terms. And that’s what religious texts are, attempts to lay out what the authors saw as the divine will, no matter how the inspiration came.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Go ahead and call me a hammer, because you just nailed it. (Damn that’s a cheesy line)

          • sylviacroft

            It isn’t the will of the divine as interpreted by man, it is what God says in black and white and sometimes in Red. God left His Word to reveal Himself to us and to let us know what He had to say for us to live by.

          • sylviacroft

            The idea that homosexuality is immoral is not a conventional idea. It has always been considered immoral. Since God said so in Leviticus. And anyone who engaged in it was to be stoned to death.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            You’re contradicting yourself there. If homosexuality has always been considered immoral, then by definition, the idea that homosexuality is immoral is a very conventional idea.

            (It’s not as conventional as you probably think it is)

          • Thor

            Luther’s protest was grounded in Scripture… this fool’s depature is nothing like that.

      • Annette Martin

        Thats a completely different issue.

    • Amen to that. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God; 1 John 4:1-2a

    • Tonya Elise

      JESUS Loved everyone !!! and you call yourselves “Christians” ??? My sins are mine Not for you to judge. At least LGBT the profess to be Christian and not Satanist. Your sins are not for me to judge Or did you pick and choose to which part of the BIBLE to believe in? I say what ever to “so-called” Christian. So how many Sins have you done in your lifetime? If you are LGBT but, still claim Christianity You are Saved. John 3:16. There is Not deception in being a Christian. Jesus is the way the truth and the light no one goes to the Father but by Him. Forgive those the Sinned against you. Well, LGBT has not Sinned against you. I am a Christian and i have been one since a early age. I am LGBT (Trans-gender since the age of 7) I am a Christian. Your hate is a rather a sin, is it not? The word Christian mean Christ-Like But, we were all born into sin. Those the come together in my name will be saved. You better go back and reread you Bible and try to understand the meaning of what was said in it. There is not greater sin. The only major sin is to deny God. NOW are you a Christian or just a “so-called Christian?

      • Charles

        “”JESUS Loved everyone !!! and you call yourselves “Christians” ???””

        No. Jesus doesn’t love everyone. Did he love Easu?

        (Mal 1:3) And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
        (Rom 9:13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

        “”My sins are mine Not for you to judge. At least LGBT the profess to be Christian and not Satanist. Your sins are not for me to judge Or did you pick and choose to which part of the BIBLE to believe in? “”

        Christians are to judge with righteous judgment. I guess you forgot that part. You are deceiving yourself thinking that it’s ok to be a practicing homosexual. It’s not.

        (Joh 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
        (Eph 5:11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
        (2Ti 4:2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

        “”So how many Sins have you done in your lifetime? If you are LGBT but, still claim Christianity You are Saved. John 3:16.””

        I have sinned as much as anyone else. I was a serial adulterer, a liar, I coveted, profaned the Lord, etc. So I’ve been there. You are NOT saved. In fact, you are in great danger. You need to repent (Change) of your ways. A relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ can change you. He does this from the inside out. He took away those things from me (I still have a long way to go, as we are to endure to the end). He can do it for you as well. Can I be a practicing liar, or adulterer, or a homosexual and inherent the Kingdom with my Lord? The answer is clearly no. It’s not just Homosexuals either. It’s for liars, drunkards, etc. Listed below.

        (1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
        (1Co 6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
        (1Co 6:11) And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

        “”Jesus is the way the truth and the light no one goes to the Father but by Him. Forgive those the Sinned against you. Well, LGBT has not Sinned against you. I am a Christian and i have been one since a early age. I am LGBT (Trans-gender since the age of 7) I am a Christian. “”

        Well, he is the light. But it’s:

        (Joh 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

        Yes, we are to forgive those who are repentant. You aren’t repentant of your homosexual behavior. You are unapologetically sinning against the Lord who you claim to profess to love. You aren’t a Christian if you have no conviction or shame via the Holy Spirit towards sin. You aren’t fighting those sins at least according to your own words.

        “”Your hate is a rather a sin, is it not? The word Christian mean Christ-Like But, we were all born into sin.””

        I’ve spoken to many homosexuals. “Hate” is the “Buzzword” that get’s used a whole lot. That isn’t going to work on me. You “Hate” God’s Laws which is why you are unashamed of your sin. Again, yes we are born into sin. Once we have relationship with the Lord, we begin to understand that the Father in heaven through his Son has requirements. If I said I loved you and lied, stole, and cheated you is that love? Why would expect the Lord to love you when you aren’t even willing to change? I understand as much as anyone that it’s tough. It’s tough being a Christian. It’s not easy. I get it. It’s the toughest thing in this world we will ever have to face. But you need to repent.. Change your ways saith the Lord.

        (Act 3:19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
        (Luk 13:3) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

        (Eze 18:30) Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

        “”The word Christian mean Christ-Like””

        It means a follower of Christ. Are you a follower who doesn’t willfully transgress his laws? Are being “Christ-Like”? Clearly not.

        “”Those the come together in my name will be saved. You better go back and reread you Bible and try to understand the meaning of what was said in it. There is not greater sin. The only major sin is to deny God. NOW are you a Christian or just a “so-called Christian?””

        Just saying you believe in Jesus doesn’t mean a thing if you don’t repent:

        (Luk 6:46) And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
        (Luk 6:47) Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
        (Luk 6:48) He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
        (Luk 6:49) But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

        Lot’s of folks claim to know and love Jesus. But their actions say otherwise. If I claim to be a mechanic and say I’ll fix your car, and I’m not one. I then subsequently destroy your car because I have no idea what I’m doing does that make me a mechanic? Of course not. Around 75-80% “Claim” to be Christian while out at the clubs every night getting drunk, fornicating, and have no shame. Is that a Christian? Of course not. I find it ironic you are telling me to study my Bible (Which I do daily) and you don’t even know what you are saying… You don’t even know what’s expected of you. I suggest you meditate, read your Bible, and start repenting because as I stated before you are in grave danger. ANY sin is “Major”. You are denying God. You say you love the Lord, yet your actions and knowledge say something quite different. I most certainly love the Lord. I know what’s expected. I have a long way to go. But he saved me. He brought me out of darkness into his most loving light. He’s delivered on everything he’s promised. I couldn’t thank the Lord enough. I suggest you do the same. I will pray for you that you may find (As I have) just how amazingly brilliant, holy, and perfect your God is. No matter how sinful we are. God can change your life like no other. Praise to the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ the Messiah. THE King of Kings and Lord of Lords for eternity and forever. Amen.

      • TheKingOfRhye

        “. At least LGBT the profess to be Christian and not Satanist.”

        There are LGBT people among those of every religion. In fact, Satanism (as in the Church organized by Anton LaVey) might very well have been the first legally recognized American church to fully advocate same sex marriage.

  • Marietta Alexander

    I believe that as people turn away from the Bible, their sin invites more demonic activity. The Seattle area is awash in perversion of every kind with homosexuals in positions of leadership and authority as well as legal use of marijuana, with pot shops everywhere. This article is consistent with the casual attitude that is so pervasive in the area.

    • summergirl27

      Ungodliness and perversion is everywhere…..It’s in our schools, music, t.v. art, internet; etc.
      All we Christians can do is pray, that they repent, and turn from their evil ways; seek and ye shall find….

  • Gary

    What is the opposite of homosexuality? It’s not heterosexuality. It is holiness. Why? Because homosexuality is lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). The opposite of sinfulness is holiness.

    However, in eternity all the world’s treasures can never replace the loss of one soul. This is why Christ risked all for us. Heaven itself was imperiled for our redemption. At the foot of the cross, remembering that for you alone Christ would have laid down His life, you begin to understand the value God places on every soul. This world is the battlefield for the heart of humanity.

    Christ loves all sinners. As Christ is our example, we should be demonstrating HIs love and pointing those trapped in sin to the Savior. The signs of the times tell us there is not much time left to win souls from the enemies camp. We must all be about our Father’s business while there is time.

    But here are a couple of important questions. Why is homosexuality becoming so prevalent in the world and among God’s professed people? If “the god of this world” can get humanity to accept a life-style that destroys the image of God in humanity, how hard do you think it will be for him get people to accept the mark of the beast?

    “Arise ye, and depart; for this is not your rest: because it is polluted, it shall destroy you, even with a sore destruction” (Micah 2:10). God pleads: “Return unto Me; I have redeemed thee” (Isaiah 44:22). “Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” (Isaiah 55:6-7).

    • Michael C

      What is the opposite of homosexuality? It’s not heterosexuality.

      If the opposite of homosexuality is holiness, then the opposite of heterosexuality is also holiness.

      I’m sorry for what you’ve been put through at the hands of those closest and most beloved to you.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Wrong. Heterosexuality is inherently righteous because that is the way God created Man to be.

        The lie “sin is isn” is just one of the many lies this so-called “pastor” is spewing.

        • TheLastHonestLawyer

          So a heterosexual rapist is righteous?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You need to change your handle. While it does sound like something that would come from a lawyer, there’s nothing honest about it at all. Totally ignorant question obviously given just to incite a response.

            A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

            In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

            From Psychology Today: “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.”

      • Jason Todd

        Could you clarify this?

      • Amos Moses

        “If the opposite of homosexuality is holiness, then the opposite of heterosexuality is also holiness.”

        wow …. you are right …. even a broken clock is right once in a while ….. and for heteros …. it is celibacy or the marriage of one man and one woman ……. for the homosexual ….. it is celibacy or marriage of one man and one woman …….

        • Michael C

          Are you saying that you believe that your sexual orientation is inherently sinful?

          • Amos Moses

            i am saying it is often put to sinful use ……… a hammer is used to drive a nail …… but if you drive that nail into a persons skull ……. different use ………

          • Michael C

            So, you’re saying sexual orientations are not inherently sinful? Is this correct?

            So, you’re saying that the opposite of heterosexuality is not holiness? Is this correct?

          • Amos Moses

            “So, you’re saying sexual orientations are not inherently sinful?”

            sexual “orientation” ………. there is no such thing …… that is a misuse of sex …….. people misuse sex in many ways …… there is only one prescription for its proper use …….. and it is the same for every person to move toward holiness …… celibacy or the marriage of one man and one woman …………

          • Michael C

            sexual “orientation” ………. there is no such thing …… that is a misuse of sex ……..

            Well, no. As anyone who has ever experienced physical attraction for another person can attest, sexual orientations are in fact a very real thing.

            And your sexual orientation is not a “use” of sex. Your sexual orientation neither dictates nor is dictated by your actions.

            Back to my question, do you believe that being heterosexual is sinful?

          • Amos Moses

            “As anyone who has ever experienced physical attraction for another person can attest, sexual orientations are in fact a very real thing.”

            that is a common misconception ….. that has nothing to do with “orientation” …… that is EXCUSE and trying to justify what the person wants to do ……….

          • Amos Moses

            it is inherently put to sinful use ….. by everybody …….. and the prescription to avoid that is the same for everybody ……….. celibacy or the marriage of one man and one woman …………

    • Nancy Whiting

      Heaven was certainly not “imperiled” at any time. That would imply a weakness on the part of God. This was not peril, but the plan. What did Christ “risk”? What He did was not risky to Him at all, but part of the plan put in place in the beginning.

      • Gary

        Nancy,
        Please consider the Scriptures with me on this topic. Let’s not minimize the battle on this earth that Christ fought to save the universe. Remember, humans were not the only beings who have been deceived by Satan. A large potion of the angels sided with him in his rebellion against God. Until the cross, Satan’s accusations against the government of God remained without complete answers.

        Revelation 12 tells us “there was war in heaven” (verse 7) and that Satan and his angels were “cast out into the earth” (verse 9). In this struggle, for war is a struggle, Christ was supported and surrounded by the hosts of heaven. As God, Jesus could never be overcome by Satan “for God cannot be tempted with evil” (James 1:13).

        God knew in advance this would happen. He could have avoided it, but then He would have had to create beings who did not have the full freedom to choose whether or not to love Him. We would have been mere robots reflecting God’s desires rather than true heartfelt love and appreciation for His goodness, mercy and love. This God given freedom came with a price.

        To save man, Jesus “who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross” (Philippians 2:6-8).

        To engage the enemy on his own turf, and win back the dominion lost by Adam, Christ left heaven and became a man. Jesus took upon Himself our “flesh and blood” with its 4000 years of hereditary weakness and propensities toward sin. “God” sent “his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh” (Romans 8:3). Also, consider these verses from Hebrews 2:

        10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

        11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren …

        14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil …

        16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

        17) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

        18) For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted …

        Today, because of this combat with Satan, Christ represents humanity before the Father, mediating on our behalf.

        Hebrews 4:15-16 says: “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.”

        So the Scriptures tell us: 1) There was a war that started in heavenJesus took our nature, 2) He was tempted “as we are,” 3) yet He did not sin.

        Our Savior took humanity with all its liabilities. He took the nature of man, with the possibility of yielding to temptation. We have nothing to bear which he has not endured. If it was not possible for Christ to be overcome by temptation then He could not have been placed in Adam’s position. He could not have gained the victory that Adam failed to gain. Our Lord’s trial and test and proving shows that He could yield to these temptations, else the battle was all a farce. But He did not yield to the antagonism of the enemy, thus demonstrating that the human nature of man, united with the divine nature by faith, may be strong and withstand Satan’s temptations.

        From the time when He was a babe in Bethlehem, He was continually assailed by the evil one. Since men were on the earth, no human being had come into the world and escaped the power of the deceiver. The forces of evil were set upon Christ to engage in warfare against Him, and if possible to prevail over Him. Christ was made the mark of every weapon of hell. If Christ could be overcome Satan’s rebellion and his life would continue.

        However, Satan could not get Jesus to sin in deed, word or thought. Christ was the victor. But he suffered greatly to secure our freedom and salvation. The enticements which Christ resisted were those that we find it so difficult to withstand. They were urged upon Him in a much greater degree as His character is superior to ours. With the terrible weight of the sins of the world upon Him, Christ withstood the test upon appetite, upon the love of the world, and upon the love of display which leads to presumption. These were the temptations that overcame Adam and Eve, and that so readily overcome us. In our humanity, Christ was to redeem Adam’s failure. For our sake He exercised a self-control stronger than hunger or death.

        1 Peter 2:21: “For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps.”

        I have not even mentioned the struggle Jesus endured in the Garden of Gethsemane. Three times His humanity shrank from the ordeal before Him. But each time, He placed His own will in the hand of His Father. He would save man at any cost to Himself.

        During His trial, Christ suffered keenly under abuse and insult. At the hands of the beings whom He had created, and for whom He was making an infinite sacrifice, He received every indignity. His trial by men who acted as fiends was to Him a perpetual sacrifice. To be surrounded by human beings under the control of Satan was revolting to Him. He knew that in a moment, by the flashing forth of His divine power, He could lay His cruel tormentors in the dust. This made the trail the harder to bear.

        Praise the Lord for the sacrifice the Godhead was willing to make for us! May God bless us with a deeper understanding of His love for us as we consider the high price Jesus paid “to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10).

        May God continue to bless you and your family.

  • Alvin Chipmunk

    It’s preachers like that guy that are leading many to hell. I feel sorry for that lesbian because she was being lied to. The appropriate Christian response would be to offer her some counceling.

  • Alvin Chipmunk

    Also, this preacher is timid, although he claimes otherwise. He’s timid of speaking the truth because it rubs abrasive to the world’s standards.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    A Christian really has to ask themselves how this guy ever got to be a “pastor” in the first place. He’s obviously not even remotely qualified to be so. But given he was made one it is NO surprise the church grew to the size it did. What is a surprise is that so many left. Ya can’t tell me that Homosexuality is the only Unbiblical teaching going on there.

    For cryin’ out loud, how could ya sit there and listen to just one of this guy’s sermons and not get up and walk out?

    • Copyleft

      If all your church stands for is hatred of gays… why should anyone listen to you? What do you have to offer that makes your message of unrelenting bigotry worthwhile?

      • Amos Moses

        if you only understood what you condemn …. but you do not ………. sad …….

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        First you start off with a lie, so your question is without any merit. Had you left out the lie, the answer would be simple. Eternal Life. Though I doubt you know what either of those mean.

        Tell me, Mr. High & Mighty & Righteous, how many pedophiles have you let babysit your kids or, if you have none, how many have you referred others to do the same? How many folks to you hang out with who practice Bestiality? How many Necrophiliacs have you introduced to your friends and family and touted about how righteous they are and how bigoted your friends and family would be to not accept their behavior? And the same for every perversion under the sun that the Gov’t should not discriminate against like Andromimetophilia, Anthropophagolagnia, Autoandrophilia, Autogynephilia, Autonepiophilia, Autopedophilia, Autoplushophilia, Chronophilia, Coprophilia, Ephebophilia, Exhibitionists, Gerontophilia, Gynandromorphophilia, Gynemimetophilia, Hebephilia, Infantophilia, Necrophilia, Pederasty, Pedophilia, Peodeiktophilia, Pedovestism, Piquerism, Raptophilia, Scoptophilia, Stigmatophilia, Toucherism, Transvestophilia, Troilism, Urolagnia, Urophagia, Zoophilia, and a whole bunch more!

        C’mon back and tell me the answer to that and prove just how inclusive you are and we’ll talk about my bigotry.

        What do I have to offer that makes my message worthwhile? Simple. The Gospel. The Good News. Jesus Christ. The chance for you to be Born Again and become a new creation in Christ whereby you can see the hatred, ignorance, and evil that you spew now.

    • Annette Martin

      His teachings were biblical at one time.

  • casperzero

    ??

  • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

    We have become a Lost generation.May the ones who still believe in the Truth of God stay strong.Time grows short.

    • Lena Williams

      Comfort one another with these words! What blessed HOPE to those of us who are still hanging on to the promise… and our Saviour’s unchanging Hand!

  • Melinda

    As a spiritual person, I must comment that … not only is it a sin, it goes against nature itself. Animals may exhibit homo sexual behavior, but are not themselves … homosexual. They do not choose to stay with a same sex partner for the duration of their lives. Life is a balance. Everything in the Universe must be balanced, as with male and female. It is male and female that create life as we know it. Same sex partners can not and never will be able to accomplish this naturally. Not only is it a spiritual sin but it is also “a crime against nature” as well.

    Matthew 19 verse 12:
    For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

    I interpret this to mean that, if you are attracted, physically, to your same sex … you should refrain from having a physical relationship with her/him.

    I would hope that, for the sake of their spiritual well being, you are counseling them to “be as eunuchs” for the sake of their spiritual life.

    Yes, Yeshua (Jesus) does love them … but there will come a time when He will also say: I never new you”. Cut off the hand that would cause you to sin and cost you your eternal life. It is better to loose a hand than to loose your salvation. It’s not verbatim but does any of this sound familiar?

    What people seem not to understand is this … They were not “born this way”. This is a spiritual battle between good and evil. Pure evil is of the darkness and hates anything and everything of the light. Whatever caused them to think that they have always been this way would have happened between the ages of 0-3. That is when children are like sponges, they absorb, learn and start to make connection. This is the ages when they learn the most, the quickest.

    No ones seems to understand that with the LGBTQ community, we are seeing good verses evil in a spiritual battle. These people need serious spiritual help to overcome the evil that is oppressing them and causing them to think and feel as if they are “different”. They are not aware of this within themselves. There are also physical things that could have happened to cause them to see themselves as this way. Consciously they don’t remember a thing, sub consciously they remember and act on this. A girl might sub consciously associate men with discomfort, fear or even pain. Boys might sub consciously associate men with pleasure and approval by a prominent male figure in his life.
    There are very valid reasons for them to think this way but being born this way is not one of them. We are born who we are for a reason … God does not make mistakes.

  • Tracy Wykes

    He said at the end of the video: “The legacy of a faith community that’s healthy, is changed, transformed people.” He’s got that right – BUT – His church community is NOT truly and biblically changed and transformed!! And THAT is something this “pastor” SHOULD care about!! Because he is responsible for his “church” and he is lying to them – and while they believe his nonsense he’s leading them ALL to hell!! And for that, he should be truly worried!! Pray for him……

    • Amos Moses

      yeah …. not “pastor” ….. HIRELING ………..

  • Reason2012

    The Bible is pro-slavery, both in the Old Testament and the New

    Completely false.

    The “slavery” in the Bible was not forced (except in cases of a criminal, yet how is that different than going to jail). People were not bond servants because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. Or even criminals became slaves to repay their debts. Sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were “slaves” of someone else (a.k.a., you owed a debt). Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

    In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century, as a capital crime, which is punishable by_death.

    “And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.”
    Exodus 21.16

    That alone proves the slavery of kidnapping others you are referring to CANNOT be what the Bible is condoning as that is condemned by death.

    Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers.

    “But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”
    1 Timothy 1.8

    It’s complete false that the Bible “condones” slavery the way we experienced it in the past few centuries.

    If we try to use this false claim as an excuse to reject God, we’ll realize what a critical blunder that was when we face Him. Please read up more on it to counter the false claims you’ve been fed.

    Meanwhile this false teacher then goes on to pretend God is fine with homosexual behavior. He’s yet another anti-Christ.

    2 Peter 2:1-4 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
    And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”

    • Trilemma

      ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. – Leviticus 25:44-46 NIV

      This is God giving the Israelites permission to own chattel slaves. This is not describing indentured servitude.

      • Reason2012

        Yes I already told you that the verses on slavery are talking about

        – voluntary to repay debt – you are now someone’s property until you repay it.
        – voluntary to have their needs and even needs of your whole family taken care of, but not supposed to be for life, unless you’re from another nation
        – or a criminal repaying a debt to society (again, property until you repay your debt).

        Notice you have to ignore the verses I showed you that pointed out if people are forced to be slaves against their will, it’s a capital crime, punishable by death – shown both in OT and NT. So your need to pretend they’re forced to be slaves falls flat and only shows your intent to deceive.

        Secondly, God had special laws where if someone owed you money and you didn’t have need of them as servants anymore, you were to let them go, not buy and sell them among each other. And if you need to BUY more such people who owe because you have work that needs to be done, they were only to buy from other nations, not from amongst themselves.

        But if they were people who were of other nations, them you were allowed to continue as slaves for even their whole life: if they owed money, or if they wanted to be slaves to have their needs taken care of.

        This is not describing forced slavery, as again that’s shown to be a capital crime, punishable by death.

        And what’s even more telling: those who pretend to care about slavery, in our day push for the genocide of sons and daughters: over 57 MILLION sons/daughters slaughtered by their own parents in the name of “I don’t REALLY believe in God”,with a million more each year. But these same genocide activists will pretend to take offense at slavery that wasn’t even forced (except in the case of criminals, which are repaying their debt to society).

        We’re only fooling ourselves – we will all face God to answer for our lifetime of breaking His laws, and refusing to be forgiven for it.

        Luke 12:4-5 “[Jesus said] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.”

  • Pamela Hankins

    Jn 3:19-20, ” And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.” There is no other firm foundation for our faith than the Word of God. If we throw it out, we are free-falling. There are as many opinions as there are people, but only God knows the end from the beginning. Ps 2:1-4, “Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.” In the end we will all be judged by the Very Word. We were warned of the falling away just before His coming. Circumstances are weeding out those who were never saved in the first place.

  • InTheChurch

    Another church that God has left behind.

    • Copyleft

      Or that has left a primitive and hateful notion of God behind; depends on your point of view.

      • InTheChurch

        If you read the last 5 verses of Leviticus 18 you will see that. it’s all about sin.

      • Amos Moses

        God hates sin ….. so your point is no point …….

  • sagat

    Warning to those undecided: steer clear of this agent of satan masquerading as a “pastor”. He is leading you all to hell which is a ONE WAY ticket of not return. You have been warned!!!

    • Copyleft

      Ahh, evangelism by threats… a proven winner.

  • William of Glynn

    Refreshing to read about a man of God who has been moved by the Spirit in such a way as to now enable the true teachings of Jesus Christ in a real-world setting. Best wishes to Pastor Meeks for taking this courageous stand for truth. May he and his family remain safe from those who would disagree with him and threaten violence upon him.

    • Copyleft

      If only more Christians could recognize the importance of putting love ahead of hate.. or at least -pretend- to when people are looking. I’d settle for that.

    • Amos Moses

      “Refreshing to read about a man of God”

      Which god …. because it is not the God of scripture ….. which this “pastor” has just said he rejects …..

  • Copyleft

    If your religion can’t function in the presence of tolerance and acceptance for all people, maybe your religion isn’t worth having. Just a thought.

    • InTheChurch

      The church accepts all people and the church is accepting and tolerant. You are getting this confused with sin. Sin is not tolerated and accepted. Sin is the problem and those that want to say that sin is not a sin. So…….

  • Devon Pakko-Lee

    Guys like this make me almost rethink my decision to leave religion altogether. I hope he continues his good work! Sure with more Christians were this open and loving, and understood what he does about scripture! If you can look past the pro-slavery bits, you an look past the anti-LGBTQ bits.

    • InTheChurch

      how about sin?

    • Amos Moses

      “Sure with more Christians were this open and loving, and understood what he does about scripture!”

      if you can “look past them” then you are no longer a christian ….. you are an idolater …..

  • Croquet_Player

    Next thing you know, he’ll be saying it’s fine for people to eat shellfish. 😉

    • Amos Moses

      showing your lack of knowledge of scripture … good one ………

      • Croquet_Player

        Showing my knowledge of the vast differences in how various people interpret scripture. Good one, eh? Thanks!

        • Amos Moses

          nope …. you have not read it or you do not understand what you have read …….. it is not a matter of interpretation …… it is a matter of reading it through Gods eyes and not your own ……….

          • Croquet_Player

            Yup. People interpret scripture differently. Obviously.

          • Amos Moses

            if they are “interpreting” it …. then it is not scripture ……….. sorry …. but wrong and FAIL …..

          • Croquet_Player

            The famous old joke applies here, “Want to know what’s wrong with the First Baptist Church? Ask the Second Baptist Church.” But of course YOU have the correct reading of the text. Everyone always does.

          • Amos Moses

            in any event … you dont …..

          • Croquet_Player

            Or you don’t. See how that works?

    • The General

      If you had ever read the New Testament (and obviously you have not), it is made very clear that the Old Testament kosher food laws are no longer binding on Christians.

      Since you obviously don’t own a Bible, you can access the Bible online. Otherwise you just make yourself look bigoted and ignorant.

      “Do you not understand that whatever enters into a man from outside cannot defile him; because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly, and then out of his body?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “It is what comes out of the man that defiles the man.” (Mark 7:18-20)

      I know and am perfectly sure on the authority of the Lord Jesus that no food, in and of itself, is wrong to eat. The Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. (Romans 14:14, 17)

      Don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink. (Colossians 2:16)

      God created those foods to be eaten with thanksgiving by people who know and believe the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it. We may receive it gladly, with thankful hearts. For we know it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)

      Eat your food and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this! (Ecclesiastes 9:7)

      If I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, why should I be condemned for eating it? Whatever you eat or drink or whatever you do, you must do all for the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:30-31)

      • Croquet_Player

        I have read the entire bible, thanks. I also own two bibles, one small, which my grandmother gave to her son, my father to take into battle with him in WWI (no, that was not a typo) which he then gave to me, and one very large one, with all family births, deaths and marriages recorded back until the early 1800’s. (Very helpful when doing genealogical research.) I don’t mind if you disagree with my position. But kindly don’t make false claims about me you couldn’t possibly know the first thing about. My point is, there are a variety of claims about what is or isn’t to be taken seriously in religious texts, and different sects, of all faiths, regard their particular texts differently. That’s simply a fact. I’m not going to argue with you on your interpretation of scripture, that’s entirely up to you.

        • Reason2012

          There’s nothing to “interpret” about the verses General cited. People have to ignore those verses to pretend diet is still in effect. There are many verses that rebuke this line of thinking in the NT, some of which were cited above.

          • Croquet_Player

            And you may interpret all those verses exactly as you please as well.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Endorsement of homosexuality means denial of sin’s existence. Those who endorse homosexuality are not Christian but Sodomites. True Christians follow God and do not live in sin. 1 John.

  • Trilemma

    If Christianity is a relationship and not a religion, then it shouldn’t matter what the Bible says. Why listen to what someone says God says when you can listen to what God says first hand?

    • InTheChurch

      You have to first get the word from God through prayer and the Spirit. I agree. But the Bible is also a guide and a written standard to which to follow. Sin is sin if you hear from God or read it in the bible, it has not changed.

    • Michael Ellis

      That is the most absurd thing I’ve heard. God’s Word is the standard – everything is judged by it (that is way Paul praised the Bereans as noble, because they were checking what Paul preached against the written word to make sure it was true). Jesus IS the Word incarnate (see John 1). If anything contradicts the Word (in context of course), it is not of God. Period.

      • Trilemma

        If God tried to convict you that your understanding of the Bible were wrong in some area such as homosexuality, would you follow God’s leading or would you continue to lean on your own understanding?

  • Jimmie Mack

    I believe in grace but also true. Grace and truth comes by the Lord Jesus Christ. What Meeks is allowing is neither grace nor truth, but self willed and demonic. May he truly come into a relationship with Jesus and not pretend.

  • Gail

    Meeks realized “…he’d been a coward too long.” However, not in the way he meant. The cowardice is the compromising of God’s word with societal pressure. The vulgar language is a clear indicator of wnich spirit “moved” him.

  • Blood_4_Freedom

    I admit, I love me some D in my mouth or my tight a$$, but even I recognize this as the work of Satan, praise him, and his delicious fruit.

  • Good man. He’s more Christ-like than all the judgemental folk who claim to follow Jesus (Matthew 7.1-3).

    • InTheChurch

      He is Christ like because he excuses sin? When did Jesus say it was ok to sin?

      • He is Christ-like because he’s trying to love his neighbor as himself, just as Christ commanded and because he’s not judging, again as Christ commanded (not that that’s stopped other ‘loving’ Christians from judging him) and because he’s giving to others when they ask him, once again as Christ commanded.

        When did Christ excuse ‘sin’? How about when he caroused with prostitutes and other ‘sinners’? How about in his dealing with the adulterous woman?
        (Not to mention the adulterous man who was with her. He gets off without so much as a mention.) How about in his association with Levi, the rapacious tax collector?

        In any case, you’re not Christ. You’re specifically told not to judge others, not to condemn them nor to cast them out. Which is why Mr Meeks scores where you don’t.

        • InTheChurch

          You are incorrect about not judging. Please read the new testament and you will find that I/we can judge.
          What you said about Christ is true. He did associate with the sinners and the prostitutes but he told them what they did wrong and to repent. I see that you left that part out. Jesus did confront them in love but he got to the heart of the problem, sin. Look at the conversation between Jesus and the lady at the well.
          Jesus will never excuse sin. He confronts it and gives the best answer for it, himself. But, make no mistake, he does not allow it to continue.
          This pastor is doing the opposite of Jesus. And his followers are also doing the opposite of Jesus. Therefore, they are not Christians and they are not following the real Christ.

          • I’m not the one who says not to judge so I guess you’re saying Jesus is wrong about this (Matt 7.1-3).

            Please point me too to where he said to the prostitutes whose company he enjoyed that what they were doing was wrong. I’ve read the Bible many times and I can’t find that part, even though you say it’s there.

            While you’re at it, please reference chapter and verse where Jesus (not Paul) says ‘you’re sinners in need of redemption which you can only find through my death and resurrection.’ You won’t be able to. Yet Jesus did preach a gospel (Luke 9:1-27) and, as he’d yet to die, it can’t have been the same as the one Paul preached.

            What Jesus preached was that the Kingdom was coming to the Earth soon and that loving your neighbor and enemies was the way to prepare for it (Matthew 22.36-40 etc). Looks like those you have decided are not Christians have a better grasp of this than you.

            Still, if you want to hang on to your prejudices, by all means do. Just don’t claim you got them from Jesus.

  • Reason2012

    He admits He doesn’t care what Jesus says – what God says -what the Bible says. He is following a false god – one that is telling him sinful behavior is just fine. In the end it’s God he’ll have to convince and it’s God he’ll answer to for deceiving many and leading them to_hell.

    James 3:1 “My brethren, be not many masters [teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.”

  • Night Angel

    What this guy teaches isn’t Christianity.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    The well-fed bored unbelieving Western whites and their mental slaves overdid the civil rights movement in the last few decades; they should categorize the homosexuals and transgenderers together with the pedophiles, those who commit incest or suicide, rapists of animals and robots, those who marry to selves, and the cannibals, instead of the colored people or women or people with disability. The former groups exist by willful sinning but the latter groups are God’s creation. The same-sex members are for friendship and loyalty and not for romance or lust. The Word of God, human conscience, and science all testify the fact. Read Leviticus chapter 18-20 and Romans 1.

  • unlost

    are we just supposed to imagine that God has ever blessed gay relationships? because it’s never been part of history

  • george emmert

    This so called pastor is a sick pervert.

  • He was a coward before and even more so now. He has syncretized his church and the message. That is the most cowardly thing any pastor can do.

  • Steve Wetzel

    “Living your truth.” Hello McFly – there is no “your truth.” There is only truth.

  • Thank you Ryan Meeks. It takes courage and empathy to make such a stand.

    It is so wonderful to see a preacher waking up to benevolence and empathy rather than outright rejection of some groups of people who only want to live their lives according to the dictates of their conscience rather than ancient, prescience and unjust biblical strictures.

    If all the world were to reject religion altogether and adopt only one tenet–Do unto others as we would have them do unto us–we would have discovered the ONLY path to a peaceful world and brotherhood where people take care of each other.

    • Sharon_at_home

      I used to say that exact same thing. I have lived the “Golden Rule” for the majority of my life. I still believe that when they took the rule out of school it hurt the whole world. I have a list of 100 Holy Books that have the same saying but in different ways, but because it sounded like the Bible’s saying, it had to be removed. That said…
      I think people have to start realizing that each church has a leader, and they do not all preach in the same way, but what they should be doing is following the faith they chose, to show others by example.
      Just because these Pastors are in the news doing things that are not necessarily Christian-like, does not mean all Pastors preach the same way. You seem to think it is rare to find a preacher that teaches benevolence and empathy and that is just not reality. Comparing the number of churches in the U.S. and the number of preachers that are in the news for un-Christianlike behavior and it is in the very low percentages.
      I don’t know why people who call themselves Christian can act with such a hateful manner towards anyone. It’s not a Christian thing to do, and unfortunately it reflects on the majority of Christians that never do anything that is hateful.
      Keep living the Treat People the Way You Want to be Treated life. It shows other people that it is a good way to live and hopefully you are influencing others to live in the same way. God Bless!

      • I still believe that when they took the rule out of school it hurt the whole world.

        I think you need to provide evidence for this. I’d never heard of such a thing and I just now did a short internet search and couldn’t find anything on it. I doubt seriously that anyone would object if teachers taught that very secular concept and used the exact words: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It is not only in religious texts in other words, as you say, but it is used throughout the secular humanist world as well.

        However, I can see that if a teacher recited the biblical version and made reference to the bible without mentioning the other religions (including Islam and Judaism, it would step over the legal line (a government agent showing favor to one particular religion).

        That concept definitely should be taught in churches, mosques and all other places of worship, but it definitely is not strictly a religious concept.

        You seem to think it is rare to find a preacher that teaches benevolence and empathy and that is just not reality.

        I should have said universal benevolence and empathy. That would apply to Muslims as well as Christians and atheists, to LGBTs as well as straights–to people of all political and social persuasions.

        Being a man of reason, however, I don’t see the world coming to this for at least another millennium, if we survive the heating environment and international xenophobia.

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Individuals with same-sex attractions NEED to be in church! They need to receive the strength to live chaste lives and the courage to resist temptation — and this is found IN the Church, not outside it. Someone who is gay can live in Christ by avoiding homosexual activity and living a chaste life. Frequent Confession is highly recommended in this matter — as it would be with any pattern of sin.

    • CharlesMaglaughlin

      You are absolutely right. Just because I have the most innermost desire to constantly pig out on Ding Dongs does not give me a right to sin against the Holy Spirit by stuffing myself in the body he occupies. I NEED to be there on Sunday morning.

      Let me in, or I’ll hand them out to everyone as they leave the sanctuary.

    • Melinda

      One of our local churches embraces them but teaches them nothing. When I suggest that they remain celibate, I was told that I was full of hate and of Satan; That Jesus would love and accept them for who they are.

  • George Varughese

    Typical example of 2Corinthians11:14-15, satan masquerading as an angel of light ! For the arrogant who reject God’s Holy Word, the sober warning is in John12:48 !

  • Tonya Elise

    Do people that Sin deserve to be saved no matter what sin it is? Look
    at your own sin and your life. Do you Deserve to be saved? I am a sinner
    “we all are” I do not deserve to be saved in God’s grace but My lord
    died for all my sins so that i may be with him in the Kingdom of God.
    JESUS Loved everyone !!! and you call yourselves “Christians” ??? My
    sins are mine Not for you to judge. At least LGBT the profess to be
    Christian and not Satanist. Your sins are not for me to judge Or did you
    pick and choose to which part of the BIBLE to believe in? I say what
    ever to “so-called” Christian. So how many Sins have you done in your
    lifetime? If you are LGBT but, still claim Christianity You are Saved.
    John 3:16. There is Not deception in being a Christian. Jesus is the way
    the truth and the light no one goes to the Father but by Him. Forgive
    those the Sinned against you. Well, LGBT has not Sinned against you. I
    am a Christian and i have been one since a early age. I am LGBT
    (Trans-gender since the age of 7) I am a Christian. Your hate is a
    rather a sin, is it not? The word Christian mean Christ-Like But, we
    were all born into sin. Those the come together in my name will be
    saved. You better go back and reread you Bible and try to understand the
    meaning of what was said in it. There is not greater sin. The only
    major sin is to deny God. NOW are you a Christian or just a “so-called
    Christian? How can you Claim Christianity if you do not believe in the Bible as a whole???

    • Croquet Player

      It’s Tony.

      Hi, Tony. How are you, fella?

  • Irv Spielberg

    Pastor Meeks of Brothel, Washingdumb should Google “God to Same-Sexers: Hurry Up” and “USA – from Puritans to Impure-itans.”

  • Melinda

    I made a post that gave valid “spiritual” and/or physical reasons as to why people tend to think that they are “born gay” and it was removed. So I will limit myself this time. It is unnatural for men to be with men and women to be with women and it goes against scripture. I noted that yes, Jesus loves them but there will come a time when He will also say, I never you.
    As far as someone changing their gender … For someone to do this … they might as well say that GOD made a mistake when He made them. GOD does not make mistakes.
    I will say this only once … These people are fighting a spiritual battle and loosing. This is a battle for their very souls and even Christians think that I am crazy to point this out. Yeshua (Jesus) would cast out the demons and tell them to go and sin no more. If they are not attracted to the opposite sex, they should become celibate. This is what the church should be teaching if they want to help these people in this battle of good and evil.

  • Melinda

    This is a spiritual battle and the people who are suppose to know about these things can not even see what is in front of them. This is the blind leading the lost.

  • Irv Spielberg

    I’m tempted to word play the potty-mouth Seaddlepated preacher from Brothel, Washingdumb, hoping he wouldn’t take it parsonally. But I’ll refrain and get serious. If he rejects what the Bible says about same-sexuality, he’s also rejecting the only source that guarantees eternal salvation that is free for the asking. If he rejects that bargain, he can opt for a “payment” schedule that is due every second, every minute, every hour, every day throughout eternity in the most horrible place imaginable – with never a “paid in full” day greeting him in the future! Now that would really be DUMB!

  • delialoudon

    He needs to be kicked out.