Abortionist Confronts Christians With Remains of Young Unborn Child to Assert It’s ‘Not a Baby’

LAS VEGAS, Nev. — A video recorded outside of a Las Vegas abortion facility captures a Jewish abortionist confronting a group of Christians with a container holding the remains of an early gestated child in an attempt to assert that he was not killing babies.

Approximately 10 sidewalk counselors stood outside of A-Z Women’s Center on Saturday to urge parents not to kill their child. As Nick and Kelsey Hendrix were speaking to a couple who had arrived at the facility, abortionist William Ramos approached.

“You’re going to be accountable for all the murders you commit every day,” Dave Shumaker called out.

“I’m not committing any murders,” Ramos replied. “Read the definition of what murder is. Murder involves killing a living person. … It’s not a person … It’s an embryo.”

“Weren’t you an embryo once?” Shumaker asked.

“Yes, so were you,” Ramos replied. “But I grew up.”

Shumaker asked Hendrix if he has read Psalm 139, which states that God knits the unborn together in their mother’s womb.

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“That doesn’t mean they’re protected,” Ramos contended. “When you read where God talks about killing, He talks about killing other innocent people (accentuating the word people).”

“[Then] why in the Torah is there a greater punishment when the woman is pregnant and the baby is hurt if it’s not even a life?” Shumaker asked.

“That I have to see,” Ramos replied, thinking for a moment.

However, moments later, Ramos returned to the parking lot carrying a solution-filled container in which floated the remains of an early gestated child in an effort to prove that he is not taking life.

“That’s not a baby. You see a baby in there?” he asked.

Shumaker returned to his previous point, reading Exodus 21:22-25 aloud to Ramos.

“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe,” the Scripture reads.

Ramos then asserted that there is a difference between wanted and unwanted babies.

“There’s a difference between a pregnancy that is wanted and desired,” he stated. “I will risk my life to fight to defend a pregnant woman—to defend her pregnancy as long as she wants it.”

“When she doesn’t want it anymore, this is what it is,” Ramos added, pointing to his container of remains. “The mother will fight for the baby. If she’s not going to fight for it, then I won’t either.”

Hendrix told the Liberator that he believes Ramos brought the container to the parking lot in an effort to ease his guilt. He said that the experience left those present in grief.

“I believe he felt the need to try to clear his conscience and somehow try and prove that what he had in that cup was not a human being,” he said. “[A]ll of us basically went and stood by ourselves and just cried and prayed.”


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  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Secularism = barbarism

  • bowie1

    When my wife had a miscarriage they showed us the two month young body and we could tell it already had the beginning of eyes and mouth. I’m not sure what they did with it afterwards and didn’t think about what we should do with it at the time being perhaps in shock. It was at the time kept in a plastic container in some fluid.

    • InTheChurch

      Bowie, I would want my baby donated to research. I want to be responsible and give consent for that. I don’t want someone else making my decision. I am so sorry for your loss.

      • bowie1

        Thanks. It happened about 20 years ago now.

  • Amos Moses

    So they have to throw out the sciences …… DNA absolutely disproves any idea that it is not a human being …. and the only way they can say it is not a child is to tell that lie again and again and again …… until they think they believe it …….. and then try to spread that lie to everyone else …… and in the end ….. they still know it is a lie ….. and their souls are seared …………. /SMH ……. sad …

  • Amos Moses

    if it is just “a clump of cells” in the womb ….. then that is all it is outside the womb ….. and you have no rights ….. and no one should care if your particular “clump of cells” is removed from being …. IF …. IF you are going to use consistent and logical thought …….. but of course …… they do not …… a reprobate mind ………

    1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  • Trilemma

    The doctor is correct. An embryo is not a person with a soul. It is a potential person.

    • Coach

      Where did you get a stupid idea like that? “a potential person”. I assure you if parents could legally have their 5 year olds murdered, they would, saying the same nonsense you’re speaking. They would say a potential adult.
      Abortion is barbaric murder of the innocent. You have to be completely corrupt to defend such evil, I don’t care how many people defend this wicked practice.
      You’re really good a twisting the truth, I suppose you think you’ll have an excuse on judgement day. You’d better repent. God’s wrath does not slumber. Jesus Christ endured the wrath of God on behalf of all who would trust in Him alone.

      • Trilemma

        Five year olds are persons. Fertilized eggs and embryos are not yet persons.

        • Rich

          So it’s just a person shaped tumor inside until at some point or other it gets granted a “soul” as you put it? Is that when the doctor spanks her or his bottom?
          So you would then be ok with partial birth abortion, which is perfectly legal in some states and all over Canada.
          I’m sorry for the description I’m about to give but truth is truth and sometimes we need to be hit in the face with the depravity of man.
          Partial birth abortion is this: a fully gestated baby at 9 months in the womb is turned by the abortionist while still inside the mother into the breach (feet first) position. The baby is pulled from the mother until just the head is still in the birth canal, then the abrtionist does either:
          1) cuts the baby’s throat…or
          2) stabs into the infant’s brain with a scalpel.
          When did that infant “receive” she or his soul?????
          How does your pro-abortion “soul” feel now?
          You probably don’t care what the bible says but I would recommend you read psalm 139:13-18.

          • Trilemma

            Two eggs are fertilized on the same day. Nine months later one is still in the womb and the other is outside the womb. Both should have the same legal rights.

          • Chris

            While you’re quoting scripture please give chapter and verse where the bible gives the time when a fetus is ensouled. Hint: you won’t find it.

        • Robert

          jewish talmud garbage

      • peanut butter

        And soon they may surely be able to do that, sacrificing their children to false gods (satan, all) like the pagans did.

    • Amos Moses

      ummmmmm …….. no ….. not any more than you are a “potential person” ……….

      • Trilemma

        I am now a person but I wasn’t back when my body was an embryo.

        • Amos Moses

          ummmmmmm … no you were not ……….. and no you are not ………

          if it is just “a clump of cells” in the womb ….. then that is all it is outside the womb ….. and you have no rights ….. and no one should care if your particular “clump of cells” is removed from being …. IF …. IF you are going to use consistent and logical thought ……..

          • Trilemma

            An embryo is not just a clump of cells like a tumor. As an embryo develops into an adult, it goes through changes. As it goes through those changes, its legal rights change too.

          • Amos Moses

            what it is in the womb is what it is outside of the womb …….

          • Trilemma

            True. A five week old embryo in the womb is the same as a five week old embryo outside the womb. Neither one is a person.

          • Amos Moses

            until you can state unequivically and with absolute certainty when this “embryo” is not a person and then becomes one …. your argument is garbage ….. the SCIENCE says that as soon as the 23 genes come together ….. the that is what determines what it is …….. and in or out of the womb ….. DOES NOT ALTER IT ………

          • Trilemma

            The science says that when an egg is fertilized and the 2 pairs of 23 chromosomes come together that you get a living human cell. The science also says that’s it’s impossible for this cell to have a soul and be a person because that requires an organized brain. The science also says the brain doesn’t start to become organized until about week 18 to 20. Before week 18 there is no soul. Around week 18 is when the soul or personhood starts to develop.

          • Amos Moses

            “The science also says that’s it’s impossible for this cell to have a soul and be a person because that requires an organized brain.”

            the brain and the soul are separate and there is no SCIENCE of that ……… science has no means whatsoever of detecting a soul in utero ……… Sorry …. FAIL ………. the brain is not the soul …….. the brain does not contain the soul …… all you have is a mishmash of your own ideas ……….. FAIL ……….

          • Amos Moses

            you know …. you do not even have one bit of science that makes the brain the residence of the mind ….. let alone the soul ………..

          • Trilemma

            The soul and the mind are basically the same thing. They are both products of the brain. We know this because changes to the brain caused by trauma or chemicals changes the mind or soul. Both humans and animals have souls. The soul is our thinking, emotions, personality, memory, desires, will, and so on.

          • Amos Moses

            “The soul and the mind are basically the same thing. “” They are both products of the brain.”

            No Evidence ………. your thoughts and “feelings” are FAR FAR MORE than just the electro-chemical processes of the neural network of your brain …….. and if that is all it is ….. then you TRULY have no rights and absolutely NO BASIS for trying anyone for murder or ANY OTHER crime …………. you are then JUST A CLUMP OF CELLS …………

          • Trilemma

            What is your evidence?

          • Amos Moses

            numerous people have been declared “vegetables” ….. unable to do anything but lay in a bed and be cared for …. sat there for years ….. everyone thought that due to brain damage ….. documented by CT and other scans ….. that the parts of the brain that gave them cognitive ability was gone ……. and it was later discovered that they were in fact trying to communicate the entire time ……….

            the whole is far greater than the sum of the parts ………….. and electrochemical processes and the neural network pathways of synapses and neurons does not explain anything about the mind or the soul ……. or even independent thought ……… if it is all just an electrochemical process then we would all think and act the same … we do not ………. adding a certain chemical to a solution gives a certain result …. consistently ….. that does not happen in the mind ……….

          • Trilemma

            I agree that we are far greater the sum of our parts. The electrochemical processes and the neural network pathways of synapses do explain much but not everything. Even if it were all just electrochemical processes, we would not all think and act the same because everyone’s neural network is different.

            Those people who were in vegetative states that regained consciousness did so with an organized brain. If you remove the brain or stir it up, the person will never regain consciousness. Physical changes to the brain do change the mind and soul so there is a definite link between them. There has to be an organized brain present before you can have a soul. Once the brain has produced a soul, can that soul survive without the body? Science doesn’t have an answer for that one but I think those people who regained consciousness from a vegetative state is evidence that it can.

          • Robert

            How come you came out so mean ,were you a twin or something who got punched in the nose .because those fights can be so brutal with no womb to fight .it’s not as if you can go to another womb ,You just have to learn to get along in there.

        • meamsane

          WOW! Are you not thankful that someone in your “beginnings” thought of you beyond a level other than stepping on a stray cockroach?

          • Trilemma

            I’m thankful for the life that I have. When my body was an embryo I was neither thankful, unthankful, happy or sad because there was no me to feel those things. If that embryo had been aborted then I would have never existed.

          • peanut butter

            When Mary entered Elizabeth’s house, the child in Elizabeth’s womb lept for joy. Do you think John the Baptist felt something? And God told Jeremiah that He knew him before he was formed in the womb. When we are in the womb, we do have a soul, and we do feel. We also have all knowledge of where we came from, before we are released into this side of the veil that is over our eyes after birth. But if you don’t believe in God, this will fall on deaf ears.

          • Trilemma

            When Mary entered Elizabeth’s house, Elizabeth was in her third trimester, so yes, her child could feel something. The concept of pre-existence was condemned as heresy in the Second Council of Constantinople in AD 553. When God told Jeremiah He knew him, God was simply saying He knew the life He had planned for Jeremiah. God did not know Jeremiah as a person before birth.

        • Robert

          you were a nicer person before you were born.

        • NCOriolesFan

          How do you know that – did you even have a brain to think then

          • Trilemma

            No, I didn’t have a brain to think back then. That’s why I wasn’t a person.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Another lie.

      And Isaac prayed to the LORD for his wife, because she was barren. And the LORD granted his prayer, and Rebekah his wife conceived. The children struggled together within her, and she said, “If it is thus, why is this happening to me?” So she went to inquire of the LORD. And the LORD said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you shall be divided; the one shall be stronger than the other, the older shall serve the younger.”
      (Gen 25:21-23)

      Exo 21:22-23 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life”
      (Shows the baby is a life and there is no set date that is given so it begins at conception.)

      Psa 139:13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. (Shows there are no “accidents” when it comes to a baby. What God has formed and created, no man has the right to destroy.)

      Jer 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Again, shows God is the one who creates a baby and intimately forms the baby.)

      Isa 49:1 Listen to me, O coastlands, and give attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called me from the womb, from the body of my mother he named my name.

      Isa 49:5 And now the LORD says, he who formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob back to him; and that Israel might be gathered to him— for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD, and my God has become my strength—

      • Trilemma

        Gen 25:21-23 doesn’t say an embryo is a person or has a soul.

        Exo 21:22-23 doesn’t say an embryo is a person or has a soul. This verse treats the death of an unborn child as a property loss rather than a murder. Christians used to use this verse to defend abortion.

        Psa 139:13 doesn’t say an embryo is a person or has a soul. A ball of yarn is not a sweater. It takes a lot of knitting before you have a sweater. Same thing with a person. It takes some time forming it until you have one.

        Jer 1:5 doesn’t say an embryo is a person or has a soul. It doesn’t say God knew Jeremiah as a person before birth. God is saying He decided ahead of time the life Jeremiah would live.

        Isa 49:1 and Isa 49:5 don’t say an embryo is a person or has a soul.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Liar. They most certainly do.

          “Exo 21:22-23 doesn’t say an embryo is a person or has a soul. This verse treats the death of an unborn child as a property loss rather than a murder.”

          “Life for life” in NO way treats the death of the unborn child as “property”. And you even admitted it’s a person in your reply!!!!!

          “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks [fn]a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44)

          When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

          Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

          “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

          “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

          • Trilemma

            The “Life for life,” refers to harm to the mother and not to the unborn child.

            And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. – Exodus 21:22 NAS(1977)

            The miscarriage results in a monetary fine when there is no further injury to the mother. So, the dead child is treated as a property loss.

    • Robert

      No even the tinest infant from there conception has a soul,
      How come you sound like you sold yours ? whats bothern you.?

    • NCOriolesFan

      So a soulless person is your reason or excuse to execute it. So what the embryo does not have a soul. It will soon enough.

  • InTheChurch

    I love how he gets burned by scripture and, being Jewish, he is speechless. So which is it Doc, money or morals?

    • Chris

      I love how the bible gives a ritual for inducing a miscarriage. In other words – an abortion.

  • Louie

    Am I the only who finds mentioning the alleged perp is “Jewish” to be a wee bit offensive?

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      They mentioned that he is Jewish because they were discussing Torah.

      • peanut butter

        But that could have been understood without the label. We would have known when he mentioned Torah. Sounds a little anti- to me.

    • Robert

      its should offend them most abortion doctors are Jewish in race some comonly trace by way of a grand mother or mom. im not sure if some trace on the male side there Jewishness though.

    • NCOriolesFan

      A “wee bit”. Try utterly offensive instead.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Two words:
    Total Depravity.
    Spiritually-Dead
    Reprobate Mind
    Eternal Torment

    Take your pick

    • NCOriolesFan

      he claims the baby does not a have a soul, well, neither does a baby killer. People who deny the humanity of the developing baby human, deny their own humanity.

  • Chet

    Should he continue on in unbelief and ultimately die in his sin, he’ll have ample opportunity to learn why he was dead wrong all along in his position of killing unborn unwanted little ones at The Great White Throne Judgment…

  • peanut butter

    I don’t see where this is lawful for him to bring this ‘specimen’, which is considered medical waste and is a biohazard, out of the clinic and out into the public. That said, this is one of the most unscrupulous shows of ‘superiority’ I have ever seen from a doctor. And I’ve seen plenty of those shows in my life. I think I’ve seen this lunatic on here before.

  • BooBooBaby

    I feel sick!
    That is beyond awful!
    I can’t believe that just happened in my city!
    If I would have known, I would have driven over there!

    • NCOriolesFan

      Now you know what to do.

  • NCOriolesFan

    A REAL Jew should hit him over the head with the Torah or he should be forced to renounce his Judaism. Hitler saw the Jewish people as non-people too.