Florida Teacher Accused of Promoting Homosexual Advocacy in Math Classroom

TAMPA, Fla. — A religious liberties organization has submitted a letter of complaint to a school district in Florida after being contacted by parents who say that their child’s math teacher is promoting homosexual advocacy in the classroom. The teacher denies any wrongdoing.

Attorneys with Liberty Counsel wrote to Hillsborough County Superintendent Jeff Eakins on April 19 to express concern about Riverview High School teacher Lora Jane Reidas, who identifies as a lesbian. They advised that they had received reports that three children in Reidas’ classroom had been prohibited from wearing crucifixes because they could be considered to be “gang symbols” and “disrespectful.”

It provided a photograph of one of the crucifix pendants.

Meanwhile, according to additional photographs provided to the organization by parents, Reidas has decorated her classroom with various homosexual advocacy material, including buttons on her desk that read “I Love My LGBT Students” and “Safe Schools for All” in promotion of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN).

A poster is also displayed on the wall advising that her classroom is “safe and inclusive” for “lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students and their allies,” and the word “ally”—also posted to the wall—is spelled out in large cut-out letters and covered with handwritten sayings in support of the homosexual lifestyle.

“Moreover, at the beginning of the semester, Ms. Riedas placed LGBT rainbow stickers on students’ classroom folders without their consent, which were there one day when the students arrived,” the letter from Liberty Counsel alleged. “One of our clients reports that after she removed the LGBT sticker, Ms. Riedas’ behavior toward her changed markedly for the worse.”

At the time of the correspondence, it was also believed that Reidas planned on promoting the GLSEN’s “Day of Silence” and was apparently tweeting about homosexual advocacy issues during class time.

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While Reidas serves as the sponsor of the school’s “gay-straight alliance,” Liberty Counsel believes the teacher’s actions violate district policy, which states that staff “may not dedicate work time to an outside interest, activity or association,” since her homosexual advocacy has nothing to do with math class.

“Ms. Riedas has … ‘use[d] institutional privileges for personal gain or advantage’ in promoting her own politically activist LGBT viewpoint to the students, which are a captive audience. Her choice of buttons and classroom décor give the overwhelming impression that her lesbian identity is foremost in her mind at all times, and is designed to show students in no uncertain terms how she views the world,” the group wrote.

However, Reidas has denied any wrongdoing, stating that she only told one student at the beginning of the year not to wear rosary beads because they could be considered gang symbols as per district policy. She said she would never prohibit students from wearing crosses, claiming that she herself identifies a Christian.

“I’m a Christian myself. I would never do that because I would be hurt if someone would tell me not to wear my cross,” Reidas told the Tampa Bay Times.

And while she didn’t deny the homosexual advocacy displays in her classroom, she asserted that such discussions are separate from math class and that she’s simply trying to let students know that her room is a safe space from bullying.

“I am trying to let kids know that if they need a sanctuary, my classroom is it,” Reidas said. “Some teachers, they let it go because they’re kids. But I will address it. ‘That’s so gay?’ Not at all.”

She said that as word has spread about the controversy, some students are now purposefully coming to class with Roman Catholic rosaries and/or are drawing crosses or writing Scripture on the back of their math papers.

“I’m just annoyed that they’re using my students,” Reidas contended. “They’re manipulating them. They’re getting kids as teenagers to lie for their agenda.”

Liberty Counsel President Mat Staver disagrees.

“She’s free to do what she wants to do in her own time outside of that classroom,” he said. “She’s free to be a sponsor of a student-initiated, student-led club. But she crosses the line when she brings things into the classroom that pushes her ideas onto the students. You talk about being inclusive. But she’s not including people who do not agree with her.”

The district is currently investigating the complaint.


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  • BuckeyePhysicist

    The Rosary is a gang symbol? Good Lord….

    • Michael C

      Rosaries have apparently been used for gang affiliation for some time now. This isn’t new. Schools from Florida to California to Minnesota have banned them on school grounds.

      This isn’t the policy of one teacher. One teacher cannot be blamed for the enforcement of this policy.

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        That’s horrible! The Rosary is a beautiful way of internalizing the events in the gospel.

        • Chris

          I’m with you on this one. Unfortunately gang symbols can be adopted from whatever is available in a particular area and appeals to that gang. Unfortunate but true.

  • Colin Rafferty

    What kind of a world do we live in when a teacher who wants to make sure that oppressed minorities are welcome is treated like this? It’s hard enough for LGBT students to deal with the student bullies, but they now have to see the adult bullies as well.

    • Amos Moses

      so much strawman argumentation there ………. if she wants to teach math …. then teach math …. it is not her job to enforce her “morals” in a math class …….. nor is it the teachers job to say to a student that a cross is a “gang sign” ……….

      NOR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF ……………

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Openly homosexual people should not be allowed to have access to children. All children have rights to morality and purity and innocence.

        • Kyler Phoenix

          Drivel from a bigot. Feel better?

      • Colin Rafferty

        What morality do you think she is enforcing that’s so terrible? That if you are queer, you don’t have to worry about being bullied on math class?

        So you are saying that math class should not be a safe space for LGBT kids? That its a good thing these kids have to see that simply having a sign that says they are welcome will get someone bullied out of a job?

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Who was bullied in math class? So far, only Christian children were bullied about their religious symbols.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No one was was bullied in math class because she promised it would be a safe space. The person being bullied is the teacher for promising a safe space.

            Do you think math class shouldn’t be safe for queers?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Math class should be a place to learn math, not a place for propaganda. All students should be safe, including those who were persecuted for wearing crosses. This is as bad as what people like you did to First Nations people in forcibly removing their religious symbols.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I cannot recall when I forced the First Nations people to remove their religious symbols. You must be thinking of someone else.

            As for your “all students” comment, that’s BS. She has a pin that says “Safe Schools For All”. It’s part of Exhibit G.

            So what is the propaganda that you don’t like? I looked at the pictures. Was it “I love my LBGT Students”? Is that somehow trying to convert the kids to get her love?

            “PROUD Public Employee”? Ooh, that’s terrible. She loves her job. Propaganda!

            Maybe it was the poster that says “This is a safe and inclusive space for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students and their allies.” That’s awful! It almost sounds like she’s trying to exclude people who want to bully queers!

            But you are right, Math class is about Math. And the outside agitators aren’t even alleging that she is actually preaching in class.

          • Jason Todd

            The woman is teaching homosexuality to her students while disallowing so much as an expression of the “Christianity” she claims to embrace. That’s what’s going on here.

            A “safe school” is one that allows teachers to carry firearms, bringing the chances of a school shooting down to zero. Not allowing the mentally ill to feel good about themselves.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No, she’s not. In fact, not even the outside agitators are accusing her of teaching homosexuality. They are complaining that she is making the classroom a safe space.

            Maybe I missed the part of the article explaining how she’s teaching it. Can you please point out where this is happening?

          • Jason Todd

            No, she’s not.

            Liar. Two more and you get blocked.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You’re going to block me because I called you out? Come on, please tell me how she is teaching homosexuality. I double dog dare you.

          • Jason Todd

            You’re going to block me because I called you out?

            No, Mr. Potato Head. Stop trying to distort my words.

            Come on, please tell me how she is teaching homosexuality. I double dog dare you.

            So you are going on record that you did not actually read the article?

          • Colin Rafferty

            No, I am going on record that I read it, and did not see how she “is teaching homosexuality to her students”. I’m asking what in the article gave you that impression.

            Please, educate me. You said this is what she’s doing. Where does it say that (or even imply that)?

          • Jason Todd

            No, I am going on record that I read it

            Then you are either lying, running defense for sexual deviancy, or incredibly stupid. Which one are you?

          • Colin Rafferty

            I must be stupid. I just can’t find it in the article. Come on, it’s a short article. Just quote where in the article where it shows that she “is teaching homosexuality to her students”.

            I’ll wait.

          • Jason Todd

            No, you are not stupid, you are playing games. The things I refer to, in both this and comments re: the King case are self-evident. A blind man can see them.

            Enough. You are blocked.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Four times I asked where in the article she “is teaching homosexuality to her students”, and four times you can’t answer. So you block me. Boo hoo.

          • Parodyx

            OK, you blocked Colin. I’ll take up his cause. Please tell me where the article says she’s teaching homosexuality to her students. You claim it’s self-evident, but I don’t see it either, and I’m not blind.

          • Johndoe

            It’s Jason’s way of not having to debate. Pathetic

          • Johndoe

            Nobody sees that as a threat. LMAO!

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Blocked for what? You know you can be reported directly to disqus, right snowflake?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Uh oh, Jason has given you the 2-lie* countdown! He means business now!

            *Defined as: “a statement Jason disagrees with”

          • Edward R Morrow

            Colin is the poster boy for “disingenuous”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re kidding, right? Do you know what homosexuals as a group have done to First Nations people?

            And what do you have against crosses? If you think they are so meaningless, why do you tremble at them so much? And if Christian children are forced to remove their symbols, how “safe” are they?

          • Colin Rafferty

            No, I don’t know what homosexuals as a group have done to First Nations people. Did they all get together in one spot to do it, or did they come to consensus in their secret Facebook groups?

            As for crosses, I have nothing against them. And the teacher denies that. And if she did that part, she’d be wrong for doing it.

            I’m still asking you, can you please give me an example of queer propaganda she was pushing? Was it her “Safe Schools For All” pin?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They actually did come together in one spot to group molest multiple First Nations children. How are you this ignorant about history and this flippant about child abuse?

            Regarding your other question, I’ve already answered it, but let’s try it this way since you seem to have trouble grasping basic logic: How would you feel if the teacher were to put Jesus saves stickers on every students’ book, on the walls, and on the chalkboard? Would you be okay with that?

          • Colin Rafferty

            So the tens of millions of gay people in the US all gathered together to molest First Nations children? Wow, I am reading the wrong newspapers.

            I see now the disconnect. You think that saying the classroom is a safe place for being queer is that same as telling people that they should be queer. If a teacher hung a sign that said “All religions are welcome here”, I would have no problem. That’s what she was doing. A sign that says, “Jesus Saves” is more like a sign that says “Try Same-Sex”.

            Maybe you don’t see the difference. The difference is that telling people it’s okay to be who they are. Jesus Saves is telling people how they ought to be. That’s the difference.

            Unless you see her trying to convert people. I sure didn’t. Not even the outside agitators are claiming that.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why pretend you want discourse when you’re obviously here only to propagandize?

            Nowhere in my statement did I claim every single homosexual gathered together to molest First Nations children, only that homosexuals gathered as a group to sexually molest First Nations children and by the way, that’s a modern problem, not an ancient one of the past.

            If you think that the teachers use of homosexual propaganda is the same as stating that it’s okay for people to be as they are, you’re quite wrong. Her stickers and statements were clearly trying to force the homosexual agenda, which is why you’re thrilled with what she did, because you’re here to force the same agenda.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Oh I see. Any crime committed by gay people is the responsibility of all gay people. So if there is a gang rape performed by straight people, then all straight people are responsible. Look, you were the one wanting to implicate all gay people in this event. I can’t think of any other reason why you think they are all responsible.

            But let’s get back to the teach. What is this homosexual agenda, outside of “please don’t bully queers”? Which particular sticker or poster or button do you think was pushing some horrible thing?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m referring to specific, multiple homosexual pedo rings. Not one isolated incident or even two, but multiple groups. Why deny history? Don’t you want to know the truth?

            And why do you think “Jesus saves” refers to anything but Jesus Christ Himself? Those stickers don’t say, “Something’s wrong with you, you must change”. They say something about Jesus Christ. Why does that make you uncomfortable? And if you think this teacher can push a homosexual agenda, why can’t any teacher use school materials and time for any other personal propaganda?

          • Colin Rafferty

            Just like multiple straight pedo rings exist. And multiple straight sex trafficking rings exist. But I don’t blame all straight people for that.

            As for claiming “Jesus Saves” is not actually trying to convert people, get real. By saying this, you are saying that he exists. Which is different from what she is doing, which is saying that LGBT students exist.

            But come on, please tell me what the particular propaganda has you up in arms? Was it the “Safe Schools For All” pin?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Colin, you are excusing pedophilia and using tired, worn arguments. The percentage rate for homosexual pedophile abuse is much higher than the rate for hetero abuse. Both are wrong. Both are terrible, but you don’t see me making excuses for hetero abusers. I say death penalty for them all!

            So now we have a teacher culturally appropriating Christianity and Judaism, and you’re okay with that. Strike one. Next, she infers special protection for LGBT students but attacks Christians by taking away their religious symbols, even though Christians are currently the most persecuted group in the world. It’s estimated that at least one Christian is slaughtered per hour, not to mention those who are chained, imprisoned, persecuted, cheated, and abused. Even further troubling is the fact that you care so much about the LGBT community but fail to care about persecuted Christians and Native Indian children. Why is that?

          • Colin Rafferty

            Sure, punish all the people who actually perform crimes. And don’t blame the people who didn’t.

            She’s not giving LGBT students special protection. In fact, one of her pins says “safe schools for all”. But it seems that the problem you have with her is that she’s not calling out Christians in other countries?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            She’s abusing Christians in her own country and class by disallowing crosses. That’s something ISIS does.

          • Colin Rafferty

            She says that she didn’t do that. I’m only talking about the parts of the article that she agrees with.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Students say she did. I tend to believe victims over the perpetrators.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Outside agitators say the students say she did. And as I’ve said before, if she did, she was wrong, and ought to be appropriately sanctioned. I think everyone agrees with that.

            What I have a problem with is them complaining that a teacher is trying to make a safe space for students. Why is this ever a bad thing (assuming she’s not discriminating against Christians)?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            If she really wanted to make a safe space for students, she would merely do that without pushing a political agenda (that some might even question to be pedophilic in nature). Instead, she persecuted Christian students, pushed her LGBT militant stance on everyone, going so far as to culturally appropriate Christian symbols to mock them and harass them.

          • Colin Rafferty

            As I already said, if she did what she’s accused of with the crosses, that’s inappropriate.

            But what is wrong with what she did otherwise? How are her posters and buttons a problem? What’s wrong with creating a safe space? Or are you okay with everything else, and just have a problem with the crosses?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s not creating a safe space by pushing propaganda. It’s culturally appropriating Christian and Jewish symbols to push an anti-Christian anti-Jewish message. Why should children have to assume only a teacher with LGBT stickers wants to keep all students safe? Isn’t that a teacher’s job? Why make a statement about it?

          • Colin Rafferty

            I wish that children could assume that all classrooms are safe. But it’s not true. So this teacher is explicitly saying that her classroom is a safe space. Why should that be a problem?

            As for your “propaganda”, which particular button or sign do you think is propaganda? The one that says “safe schools for all”? Or a different one?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The teacher is not saying her classroom is a safe space. She’s saying she’s pushing the LGBT agenda. Would you feel better if she had stickers on everyone’s books saying all Christian students would be safe? Wouldn’t that be inappropriate?

          • Colin Rafferty

            She’s not pushing any agenda other than that she accepts LGBT students. As in, making them feel safe.

            I asked before, which particular button or poster is pushing this unspecified “agenda”? Or is it the rainbow stickers instead of stars? Oh my!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’ll repeat it again: Why separate one group of students from all?

            The rainbow stickers and the words that accompany all her stickers and posters are propaganda.

          • Colin Rafferty

            “Safe schools for all”. And I’ll ask again, which particular words are propaganda, and what is the particular agenda beside “tolerance”?

            So using rainbow stickers is propaganda. She probably didn’t use stars because she was worried people would think it’s Communist Chinese propaganda.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Tolerance is in itself propaganda, regardless of who’s being “tolerated”. Don’t you find it a condescending assessment?

            She specifically referred to LGBT students. Way to center them out, teacher-of-the-year. /sarc Guess she wasn’t referring to Christian students since they can’t have crosses and since their rainbow symbol has been culturally appropriated.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            You are attempting to give medicine to the dead.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            No, it is not.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I think you have the “Jesus Saves” wrong. It isn’t going to convert someone by just seeing the words. It encourages people to look into why someone is saying it. It’s their choice if they want to believe or not. His name does exist after all. You may not believe he exists, but people of Faith do believe it. It’s their choice to believe, and yours to not believe. You should not push your unbelief on people any more than Christians should push our beliefs on people, but a sign that says “Jesus saves” is not something that can force any one to believe, any more than saying there isn’t one will stop someone.

          • Colin Rafferty

            “Jesus Saves” explicitly endorses a religion. It is stating that he exists, which itself is controversial. “Jesus Saves” is pushing a belief.

            Saying that gay children exist is not controversial, nor is it pushing a belief.

          • Sharon_at_home

            So it’s alright for her to display her beliefs in a classroom that is full of people who probably read and can see, it’s not advertising her beliefs? When it comes to religion, they are not allowed to do that, and by taking away their crosses it was stating that she didn’t believe what the bible says. If she was really a Christian, she would not have made them remove them, but rather ask them to tuck them away in their top, while they are in her class. A Christian would never tell another Christian to remove the evidence of the person’s faith.
            Mind you there are people who call themselves Christian that act anything but like a Christian that follows Jesus. So maybe she is a “Christian” because she went to a church when she was young.

          • Colin Rafferty

            She is not displaying her beliefs, but her support of existing students.

            Well, that’s not true. She is displaying her belief that all students deserve a safe space. Is there other belief you think she is displaying? And if so, which pin or poster shows it?

          • Sharon_at_home

            It sounds like it is a safe place for everyone except Christians that have something that shows they are Christian.
            If they are wearing their cross, does that mean they will be bullies and not be nice to everyone? That’s what she said by telling them that they had to remove their crosses. She basically said that LGBT people should be afraid of anyone who wears a cross.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Please stop it. I have said over and over that if she removed childrens’ crosses, that is wrong. I have said it to you at least three times already. You’re just going around to every single comment of mine and saying the same thing.

            I would love to find out from you why you think that lgbt tolerance in the classroom is a bad ideal. But you are a broken record.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I don’t think that exactly, I think it is more appropriate in Social Studies or whatever they discuss things like that not in a math class where the topic of homosexuality will never come up in discussions about math.
            I am tolerant of lgbt people, and have never been rude or in any way offensive to them. I have a son who is gay and I have accepted that, but I still believe that it is wrong. I feel we have to agree to disagree on things that pertain to my religion because he is not religious. Anyway…
            To me it is not her place to do anything with the students in her Math class other than teach math. And going to the point of making it look like the lgbt kids should be afraid of people wearing crosses by making a big deal out of them in front of the class too. Teachers should not center a student out like that. It should have been discussed in privacy no matter what her belief is. The article said that the girls felt humiliated by the teacher.
            I feel she made a statement like LGBT people are better than Christians who are bullies. She never once pointed out that Christian students were also safe in the classroom either.
            I think that lgbt tolerance in the classroom is expected and should be addressed by the teacher only in the case where there was a problem that came to a point of it being necessary. It shouldn’t be necessary in a math class.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I wish it weren’t necessary in math class, or any other class. But the problem in schools is not that Christians are getting bullied, but gay kids. All teachers should have a button that says “safe schools for all”, just as she does.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Her promotion of LGBT is a belief that her opinion is that homosexuality is Ok and it’s commonly known that people of faith say that it is a sin, because it is in the bible that we follow. So her belief that homosexuality could influence others to not believe in our beliefs.
            I guess you could say we are at opposite sides of the issues and she went beyond necessity to make the Christians feel bullied for having faith.
            I’m really struggling to understand why everyone HAS to agree with everyone else. Everyone seems to be shouting demands to agree with them, and if you don’t, watch out there is a phobia name for that!
            The fact of the matter is that we don’t have to agree with it and as long as the students wearing crosses weren’t bullying the other students there was no need to even point it out.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No one don’t have to agree with everyone else. They just have to leave people alone. She is saying that whoever you want to be is fine with her.

          • Sharon_at_home

            No, the button that she had said that. She said that by having a cross on, that it was “disrespectful” and wouldn’t tell them why. She was doing/saying this in front of the other students. So she was either saying it wasn’t safe to be a Christian in her ‘safe’ room, or she was saying that the others couldn’t be safe if there were Christians in the room.
            Is that really saying that whoever you want to be is fine with her? It sounds to me like she has problems with symbols of Christianity at the very least.
            I understand why you feel that way, but her actions belie her button.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I have said over and over that if she actually did the cross things, that would be inappropriate. But I’ve also said that those facts are still up for debate. I’ve only been talking about the LGBT aspects.

            You have been talking about “promotion of LGBT”, and “her opinion is that homosexuality is Ok”. I was commenting on that.

            Let’s cut to the chase. If she did not stop children from wearing crosses, and did not call out Christians at all, but still had the buttons and the signs about tolerance and diversity, would you still have a problem with her? If so, what? Why is it a problem?

          • Sharon_at_home

            The whole article is about her taking the crosses off – that is why she is being investigated. So yes she did stop them.

            I don’t think that it is appropriate in a class that does not have anything to do with social interactions. I would have no problem with them in the hall, lets say, but in the classroom the students should not be distracted by something social, they should be doing math. When I think of math classrooms I think of the display of math equation examples and things pertaining to math to help kids with it.
            I’d like to ask you if you think it is necessary to display LGBT information in a math class?
            BTW I’m sorry to say that Christian students are being bullied too.

            There is a reason to bully another student in every bully’s mind.

            Everyone gets bullied at some point. It’s LGBT now, it used to be students that weren’t athletic ie. nerds. I doubt that has stopped.

            It would have been better if her room had displayed something against bullying which affects all the students. But no, it should be about math with other displays made in the hall or the lobby.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Every classroom has social interactions. Bullying happens in every classroom. And bullying happens outside classrooms, and the students need to know where they can go.

            She is not displaying LGBT information. She is displaying information saying that LGBT students are safe in her class. She is also saying that their allies are safe. And that everyone is safe. And that she is proud to be a teacher.

            Also, none of us know what else she has in her room. We only know about the scary LGBT stuff. So besides her “safe schools for all” pin (which is about as inclusive as you can get), she may have other stuff. Or not. But we don’t know.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “Maybe you don’t see the difference. The difference is that telling
            people it’s okay to be who they are. Jesus Saves is telling people how
            they ought to be. That’s the difference.”
            Finally I see your point. And I can’t in all honesty say it’s wrong.

            But I don’t think you can compare LGBT signs that promote LGBT issues to “promoting” Jesus in the Jesus Saves sign. They are like apples and oranges in that comparison.

            Look at it from this view please.

            From my view because I’m a Christian, I see a sign that is reaching out to the students that are having problems – I guess other than LGBT issues.

            I think of Jesus Saves as also saying Jesus helps. It doesn’t mean you aren’t what you should be, it’s just telling them that talking to someone who believes in Jesus should be able to help them. A lot of students have things other than LGBT rights going on in their lives.

            And if you don’t believe in Jesus “as if he exists” then you shouldn’t push your views on others or bully others about their faith. It’s the same as bullying LGBT for being LGBT to bully a Christian for being Christian.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I have not said one negative word about being Christian. Ever.

            Having a “Jesus Saves” sign is exactly the same as having a “Trust in Allah” sign. It’s not just reaching out to troubled students. I am willing to bet you would go ballistic if you saw that in your child’s classroom. Because it is specifically endorsing a religion.

            There were no signs in that classroom that promoted LGBT. There were signs that supported students who were queer.

          • Sharon_at_home

            From Constitution com

            “In banning cross necklaces from three different students in her
            classroom, Ms. Riedas has “intentionally violate[d] or den[ied] a
            student’s legal rights.” The right to wear a cross necklace is clearly
            established. There is no question that students have the right to wear
            religious jewelry, despite any specious claim of “gang affiliation” by
            Ms. Riedas. Subsequent to her cross ban, Ms. Reidas has subjected at
            least one of the students “to unnecessary embarrassment or
            disparagement,” in singling the student out for false allegations of
            student behavior violations. In her numerous promotions of homosexuality
            in the classroom, including GLSEN’s “guide” she has indicated an intent
            to “intentionally . . . distort subject matter” which is beyond the
            scope of classroom instruction. In the cross ban and subsequent
            harassment, Ms. Riedas has violated the prohibition on harassment or
            discrimination “against any student on the basis of …religion . . .
            political beliefs . . . or social and family background.” The same holds
            true for any of the activities from GLSEN’s “guide” which she plans to
            foist upon the students, as well as the final prohibition on
            “exploit[ing] a relationship with a student for personal gain or
            advantage,” in that she holds a position of power over students, and is
            using that to push her own politically activist LGBT beliefs upon them…”

            Now do you understand why we are troubled by this teachers actions?

          • Colin Rafferty

            You really don’t want to talk about what is on the walls, do you? I read the Liberty Council’s brief before I wrote a single comment on this article. I already know what’s in it, thank you.

            You have said time and again that you think what is on the walls is inappropriate, because they “promote LGBT issues”. Tell me one sign that does this.

            You also said they could have something innocuous like “Jesus Saves”. I asked how you’d feel about “Trust in Allah”. It’s the same thing. What’s wrong with it?

          • Sharon_at_home

            No I wouldn’t be all right with any teacher putting anything on someone else’s belongings. We are (were?) taught to respect the teachers and by endorsing anything (other than what they are supposed to be teaching, it could possibly make a student that admires her to do anything she does.

            A classroom should have displays on what is taught there not things that may distract them.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Links?

          • Parodyx

            “Do you know what homosexuals as a group have done to First Nations people?”

            No, do tell me. I’m sure this is going to be a very creative answer.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You should just look up First Nations history and residential schools. Homosexuals masquerading as Christian institutions molested First Nations students, and were eventually exposed by First Nations people and clergy within the real church.

          • Parodyx

            The first obvious rat to be smelled with your story is the fact that you’re confusing homosexuality with pedophilia. They are not the same thing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Re-read my post. I never said all homosexuals were pedophiles.

          • Parodyx

            “Do you know what homosexuals as a group have done to First Nations people?” was your question. Then by way of explanation you talk about students being molested. What conclusion are we supposed to arrive at about what you’re saying?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Read all my posts. I’ve already explained in detail.

          • Parodyx

            No, you’re attempting to equate homosexuality with pedophilia.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, and I made it quite clear that I wasn’t doing that. You need to read my posts again with comprehension.

          • Parodyx

            Then please explain the point of your child molestation post, when we were talking specifically about homosexuality.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Re-read the posts prior to that. It was talking about safety in classrooms.

          • Parodyx

            Until you changed the subject abruptly to the damage homosexuals have caused to the native Americans, and when asked to say what you meant you related something about child molestation.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            All very on topic, but that went way over your head.

          • Parodyx

            No, because when you’re talking about homosexuality and then start talking about pedophilia as though it’s the same thing, accept that you don’t understand your subject.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’m guessing that Guest was actually likening what happened to the First Nations Children with the post about ‘molesting children’? since they were molested. He obviously has Homosexuals as the devil in those events. He went off on a tangent from that link. Of course I could be wrong but it is a link that would explain his going off topic. I hope maybe he could explain in a clearer way, but that is how I see it happening.
            He seems to think that gays in a group did this so you can’t trust gays in a group situation. He sounds like he doesn’t understand that what happened with the First Nations children was not focused on gays – but on the amount of abuse in a lot of ways that happened during that period of history.
            I’ve never heard/read anything focusing on whether the abusers were gay.
            I guess that would be pointing out that priests are gay considering they didn’t just hurt the First Nations children but went on to hurt many others in the same manner. I wonder if that is why I’ve never seen anything about the people who abused the First Nations children being gay.

          • Parodyx

            I think you are correct. It’s a mistake to think that things like this kind of abuse are done in groups. Also child abuse is not something that knows a gender preference, it is geared specifically towards children which is why it’s considered a disorder when homosexuality is not. Abusive priests are generally not thought to be homosexual, although technically they could be. It’s really apples and oranges, and my belief is that Guest knows this but is looking to smear homosexuals.

          • Jason Todd

            Math class should be a place to learn math, not a place for propaganda.

            Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!

          • Parodyx

            If you are a gay student IN said math class you have the right to know you are in a safe space. No one needs to say a word about your sexuality. So I don’t know what “propaganda” it is you are talking about.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why separate homosexual students from other students? Why persecute Christian students by removing their religious symbols and forcing them to adhere to symbols culturally appropriated from their own faith and rich history?

          • Parodyx

            Why separate them? Isn’t that a better question to be asking the people who bully them? Giving them a safe space is wrong why?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s the teacher who separated them so she could persecute the Christians and elevate the sodomites.

          • Parodyx

            There are no sodomites in the story. The teacher was creating a safe space.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Of course there are.

          • Parodyx

            I scanned the story for the word “sodomites”. It’s not there.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            /eyeroll

          • Sharon_at_home

            Is it safe for Christians? Or does she make the LGBT people not feel safe because they are there?
            By the way, Christians are bullied too.

          • Parodyx

            Where is it NOT safe for Christians, in the United States? I’d love to know.
            I’m not prepared to say what percentage of the people who bully LGBT people are Christians. That doesn’t matter. What does matter is that it happens and they have the right to know they are safe.

          • RWH

            Because “Christians” have special privileges. They should be able to say and do anything with impunity because they speak for Jesus. Have you ever noticed that these types accuse the gays of wanting “special privileges” because they want to be treated equally and with respect. This special request tramples on “Christian” special privileges. Notice how this argument has faded out except among the militant haters of gays.

            The game has many variations. Christians have the right to pass out literature and to have “Bible” clubs, but gays or religious minorities should have no such rights.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            How were they bullied?

        • Amos Moses

          again … straw man argumentation ……….

          • Colin Rafferty

            What morals is she trying to enforce other than stopping bullying? Come on, you’ve implied twice that I have a straw man argument, but are refusing to actually say what it is.

            She is being attacked for making her math class safe. What’s wrong with that? Or if you think that’s not what she’s really doing, tell me one LGBT thing she is doing that you disapprove of. Please take an actual stand.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Amos accuses people of strawmanning a lot but I don’t think he understands what it is.

          • Sharon_at_home

            And it sounds like she attacked the students about their faith. One article said she tore off the necklace when the student said no. She does not behave like a Christian, and to top it off she treated the student that said no badly after that.
            I doubt she’s a Christian that follows Jesus or it would have been shown by the way she dealt with the students.
            It’s ironic, but I used to call myself an Anglican Christian because my parents had me baptized in an Anglican Church. I have always linked Church people with being good people. I never went past Sunday School and didn’t know much about the bible, but because I lived by the golden rule, I thought it was enough to be a good person.
            I wasn’t really a Christian though, until I joined a church and spent time learning more about the bible. Now I’m a Christian.
            Think of how many others would be thinking the same way if they had never gone to church. They are christian because they were baptized and Not because they understand faith.

          • Colin Rafferty

            The article doesn’t say anything about tearing off necklaces. And if she did that, she should be punished. I’ve already said that.

            What I’m asking about is why people have a problem with the safe space for LGBT that she is providing. What terrible morals is she trying to enforce by doing this?

          • Sharon_at_home

            The article said she told some students to take off the necklace to quote the article “It’s disrespectful” and when one student said no she said she was treated differently after it happened.
            I believe that every student should be safe It should not center out LGBT but include all students because all students get bullied at some point in their life.
            I do believe in a safe place for students with problems of any kind but especially about bullying. I just feel that by saying LGBT’s are safe there it implies that anyone other than them would not feel safe there.
            She also made the girls she told to take off the necklaces feel it wasn’t safe to show their faith. It’s all in the article.

        • Jason Todd

          So you are saying that math class should not be a safe space for LGBT kids?

          Schools exist so kids can get an education, not to be safe spaces for the sexually deviant and mentally ill.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Interesting view. So if you personally don’t like someone’s sexual preferences, they don’t deserve a safe education.

            I’ll bet you’ll cry persecution if we stop you from bullying, too.

          • Jason Todd

            What’s interesting is how you feel it is so important for children to be LGBTQW instead of being, you know, kids. They are not fodder for the LGBTQW agenda.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Not at all. The teacher is saying that if you are queer, you are in a safe space. And I am saying that they shouldn’t be bullied.

            Where do you see that her or me trying to convert them?

          • Jason Todd

            And I am saying that they shouldn’t be bullied.

            And neither should the other students.

            Remember Lawrence King? Do you know why a jury couldn’t come up with a verdict in the trial of his killer, Brandon McInerney? It’s because a lesbian assistant principal gave King carte blanche in the form of a memo given to faculty that he be allowed to do whatever he wanted without fear of consequence. And so, he did. He followed boys around to the restroom, paraded himself around groups of other boys, saying, “You know you want me.” McInerney wasn’t the target, but a target.

            The school deliberately created an atmosphere much like a pressure cooker, and so the explosion.

            Common sense would dictate steps be taken to insure no repeats, but instead of doing the right and obvious, banning the behavior from the school, they did the exact opposite, giving license to future Lawrence Kings, and thus future Brandon McInerneys.

            Translation: Homosexuality has no place on a public school campus. Period.

          • Colin Rafferty

            What you allege that King’s teachers did would be wrong. So what? What does this have to do with making a safe space for queers? What does this have to do with this teacher?

            Are you also going to say that because date rape exists, students should not be allowed to date?

          • Jason Todd

            What you allege that King’s teachers did would be wrong. So what?

            That indifference is the problem, and another reason homosexuality has no place on a public school campus.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’ll ask one more time, why does the King case mean that we shouldn’t have safe spaces? Why does one misapplication of the concept mean that they shouldn’t exist?

            I already know that you don’t think they should be safe spaces (you mentioned that earlier). I’d like to know why you think so.

        • Sharon_at_home

          Umm… isn’t saying NO to crosses / rosaries creating a space for Christians that is NOT safe?
          I can understand it for gangs but I think they’d have to know the student well enough to know if they are in a gang.

    • Sharon_at_home

      How is wearing a cross seen as bullying to LGBT students? Unless they go about speaking about them badly. So again it would be the person that bullies, not the cross.

      • Colin Rafferty

        If she actually told kids they couldn’t wear crosses, that would be bad. But it’s unlikely, since it seems the parents would have gone to the Principal before going to the outside agitators.

        I’m talking about all the other actions that she did to make the class a safe space for queers. It seems these outside agitators just hate having any kind of safe space.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Not-being able to speak against homosexuality means a loss of morality and loss of freedom. Mankind have been decieved by the Western liberals because colored races and women and the people with disablities are grouped together with the sexually depraved. Peaceful homophobia is a human right. Secular West is a human-rights abuser this century. Christian morality must be added to the definition of human rights.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Western children need Christianity to live in a sane world. Westerners including Americans should stop listing the LGBTs with the colored peoples or women or people with disabilities. Skin colors and races and birth genders are God’s creation, and disabilities are a natural entity, but homosexuality and transgenderism are willful sins. Homosexuality should be listed with pedophilia, incest, animal-rapes, suicide, and cannibalism, and not with the colored peoples. The Western culture is screwed this century by listing sexually immoral people and the colored people together. Sin must be taught to be repented of and must not claim equal rights. Sin is slavery and has no equal rights with anything. John 8.

    • glenbo

      >>”Western children need Christianity to live in a sane world.”<<
      And all children should be taught Exodus 21:20,21.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        All humans including slaves and servants should be treated fairly, and manslaughter without murderous intention should not be punished by death.

        • glenbo

          >>”All humans including slaves and servants should be treated fairly”<>”manslaughter without murderous intention is not be punished by death”<<
          But it's okay for God to murder children, babies and pregnant women?
          Morality: FAIL again.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Homosexuality is a hell-bound depravity. Genesis 18-19. Leviticus 18-20. Romans 1. Jude 1. Secular Westerners became homosexual because they watch naked bodies too much. You guys should dress up properly like your normal ancestors did. Such nudity also brought drug addictions and mental illness and childlessness. God is sovereign and He wipes out baby-killing Sodomites from earth. Read the above passages. Those who read the Holy Bible do not become slaves to men. Illiterate men become Western pervs’ slaves. Western whites need the Holy Bible to be saved and be free and civilized just like anyone else.

          • glenbo

            Your religious beliefs cannot be imposed on other people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No Christianity = No truth = Slavery to Western Sodom

          • glenbo

            >>”No truth”<<
            How does one determine the bible is in any way "true?"

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            By reading. Reality confirms how true all of the Holy Bible is. Be humble and ask God to help you understand His Word.

          • Charles

            Are you a homosexual may I ask?

          • glenbo

            >>”Are you a homosexual may I ask?”<<
            Hey Charles.
            Thanks for responding.
            I see you have a private profile.
            I will make my best attempt to "deal with" you regardless… at least for now.
            You asked if I am gay but not those words…you asked me if I an "a homosexual." You reverted to an obviously disparaging label which makes me question your integrity and credibility at the onset. But I digress.
            No Sir, I am not a homosexual, or like everyone else says, gay. No, sir, I am not gay. I am a heterosexually married man with 2 kids.
            The reason I am so seemingly obsessed with LGBT rights is because I have family, friends, employees and clients who are LGBT. I am a contractor. I get LGBT issues because I actually know many LGBT people. And I must mention, I know members of all the L, G, B and T population that live all around us in larger numbers than you think. And none of the LGBT people I know possess any of the characteristics the church tells society.
            Now that I answered your question honestly, I respectfully would like you to answer my question:
            Why did you ask?
            Please be sincere in your response, because my future questions will only get harder to answer.
            Just bein' honest!

          • Charles

            “”Hey Charles.
            Thanks for responding.””

            Thank you for responding.

            “”I see you have a private profile.””

            Yes I do.

            “”I will make my best attempt to “deal with” you regardless… at least for now.””

            Hmm… What is your looking to deal?

            “”You asked if I am gay but not those words…you asked me if I an “a homosexual.” You reverted to an obviously disparaging label which makes me question your integrity and credibility at the onset. But I digress.””

            Well.. Homosexual is the proper clinical term I believe. If I was being “Disparaging” I would have used Sodomite. So no.. Not being disparaging. Just asking. Lot’s of folks who come on this site are indeed homosexuals trying to somehow trying to reconcile God and sin. That it’s “OK” with God (Though it’s not just homosexuals who attempt this tactic). It’s not “OK” with God, along with many other sins. Some frankly wish to post and try to tell Christians here how God doesn’t exist, or he’s evil, etc. Seems a little strange to me that they would come on this site knowing how most Christians feel about the Lord Jesus Christ. Lot’s of “Activism” going on here. But then, the Lord told us this kind of thing would happen didn’t he…

            “”No Sir, I am not a homosexual, or like everyone else says, gay. No, sir, I am not gay. I am a heterosexually married man with 2 kids.””

            Fair enough. Gay means happy. Gay as far as homosexuals are concerned was a made up word.

            “”The reason I am so seemingly obsessed with LGBT rights is because I have family, friends, employees and clients who are LGBT. I am a contractor. I get LGBT issues because I actually know many LGBT people.””

            Made no assumptions about you being “Obsessed” with the LGBT community.

            “”And I must mention, I know members of all the L, G, B and T population that live all around us in larger numbers than you think.”

            Well.. I haven’t mentioned any numbers, but where exactly do you live? USA? UK?

            “”And none of the LGBT people I know possess any of the characteristics the church tells society.””

            Not even ONE of the Characteristics? By the way, what characteristics are we talking about?

            “”Now that I answered your question honestly, I respectfully would like you to answer my question:
            Why did you ask?””

            I appreciate your honesty. I asked for the reason stated above in a previous question. Trying to change the hearts and minds of God’s people are we?

            “”Please be sincere in your response, because my future questions will only get harder to answer.
            Just bein’ honest!””

            I have no reason not to be sincere. That’s an characteristic that God requires his people to have. I appreciate your honesty. My main interest is in Truth. Harder questions? I see.. Well, that’s a good thing isn’t it.

          • glenbo

            >>” Hmm… What is your looking to deal?“<>” Well.. Homosexual is the proper clinical term I
            believe.”<>” It’s not “OK” with God, along with many
            other sins.”<>” Some frankly wish to post and try to tell
            Christians here how God doesn’t exist, or he’s evil”<>” Seems a little strange to me that they would come
            on this site knowing how most Christians feel about the Lord Jesus Christ”<>” Gay as far as homosexuals are concerned was a made up word.”<>” Made no assumptions about you being “Obsessed”
            with the LGBT community.“<>” where exactly do you live?”<>” Not even ONE of the Characteristics? By the way,
            what characteristics are we talking about?”<>” Trying to change the hearts and minds of God’s
            people are we?”<>” My main interest is in Truth.”<<

            And this “truth” is?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Ok, I’ll tell you why I don’t like to be told – I’m ‘gay’ – When a man tells me that he is gay, the first thing that comes to mind is that gay means ‘this’ just as it does when someone says they are privileged – I think of what that implies. Also, please remember that when people say something about themselves, they expect a reply. So when someone makes it known to someone else like that it makes me think of how they have sex. Why else tell someone that you are gay unless you want someone to know you have sex with the same gender? There is no other way to think of a gay man (or woman) because that is what makes them gay. So now I have this clear thought in my mind – I guess you could say suddenly – and I feel totally grossed out. I can not handle knowing something that to me is totally private, about someone I may not even know. My generation believe that sex and what happened in the bedroom is no one else’s business. We didn’t discuss it with each other and if we needed help we went to our best friend or the doctor. Otherwise there was no reason to know what our sex life is like.
            By being proud of being gay, to me, it’s like pride of what happens in the bedroom and that’s private!
            I have never heard of anything that makes any LGBT any different than the straight people except about their sex lives. Tell me something that makes them not just – for a lack of a better word – fornicators. If they have any other characteristic that makes them stand out, I’ve never heard of it. They say their gay and we should accept them, but when I think of them I feel forced to think of what they do to be called gay.
            I’d be a lot happier if I had another way of thinking of them as I honestly do believe they are not really any different in the way that there are people of all types in straight and gay communities.
            Maybe you can tell your LGBT people how it is with me, as I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the same way other people feel. Even if it’s not what a lot of other people think, it would be a better way to take the focus off what makes them gay, and on to another characteristic of gay people that more people would accept.
            I am not homophobic, but this is what bothers me about having someone point out that they are gay. I don’t hate them for it, although I do believe it is a sin, I really don’t like the way they force me to think of them. I guess knowing how Christians think of it, it’s like saying I’m Proud of My Sin.

          • glenbo

            Hi Sharon. Thank you for your reply. I’ll try to respond to you as honestly as I can.

            You said:

            >>”Ok, I’ll tell you why I don’t like to be told – I’m
            ‘gay’ – When a man tells me that he is gay”<>”Otherwise there was no reason to know what our sex life is like.”<>”I have never heard of anything that makes any LGBT
            any different than the straight people except about their sex lives.”<>” I really don’t like the way they force me to think
            of them. I guess knowing how Christians think of it, it’s like saying I’m Proud of My Sin.”<>”I’d be a lot happier if I had another way of
            thinking of them as I honestly do believe they are not really any different in the way that there are people of all types in straight and gay communities.”<>”Maybe you can tell your LGBT people how it is with
            me, as I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the same way other people feel. Even if it’s not what a lot of other people think”<>” I really don’t like the way they force me to think
            of them..”<
            >”I guess knowing how Christians think of it, it’s
            like saying I’m Proud of My Sin”<<

            Why is it a sin?
            I can’t understand how a conversation would happen unless you made anti-gay comments, and someone was offended. Has this happened to you?

            To say gay people are “proud of their sin” is a demeaning thing to say. You compartmentalize all of them as being bad and that’s a destructive
            and harmful mindset, Sharon. I’m having a difficult time respecting you.

            Do you believe gay people see themselves as “sinners?” They don’t. But they as well as I see anyone religious or not who frowns upon gay people as bigots. Are you a bigot? You appear to be one.

            Let’s find out:

            Do you approve of same-sex marriage?
            Do you approve of ENDA? (Employment non Discrimination Act)

            If you answer yes, please explain why.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You don’t understand – this is not about my religion at all. it’s about the way I lived for my whole.
            I don’t care if someone is gay, I just feel that it is not my business to know about their sex life. That’s why I said that if it focused on something else I’d be a lot more comfortable.
            I have never been rude, or in any way hateful to any gay person in my whole life. My comment about it being a sin was referred to as something Christians could look at it like.
            My faith says it’s a sin, but I follow Jesus and I look at sin in the way he told us to. I believe Jesus wants us to help the sinner know it is a sin to God, and that there is a different way if (IF) they want to know about it. Jesus said if they don’t want to know about the Gospel, to walk away from them and leave them to their sin. When Christians say they are to judge others, what they should be meaning is that they are to discern whether there is a sin, and whether they can change the sinners heart to accept Jesus’ love. Other than that judgment, they are supposed to leave it to the final judgment of God.
            Unfortunately I find other ‘Christians’ do not understand it the same way and go too far in their judgments IMO.
            Jesus wants us to love everyone. That is what I try to do. Believe me, sometimes it’s hard! But I still try. Whether I feel someone is a sinner or not isn’t something I make obvious except if we talk about it together.
            We aren’t supposed to help sinners with their sins, as it would make us sinners too. So being involved in something that is sinful in a Christians eyes, is not something we want to do. (we don’t want to sin). That is why Christians refuse things (the ones I read in the news) – because the person wants more than just to be sold the product, they want the Christian to be at a wedding that is sinful to our faith.
            You may not agree with it, but I guess not everyone agrees with everyone. And because you and I disagree (because we are who we are) we can still discuss it without hateful words at each other.
            Wouldn’t it be nice if it were like that all the time.
            Just as there are Christians that behave hatefully to LGBT, there are LGBT people that behave hatefully to people just because they are Christians. As we have both said before, it goes both ways.
            I guess maybe the LGBT movement makes me feel like they should just live and let people get used to them, but too many people won’t allow that because of their hatred.
            They used to say (when I was young) “We’re Here, We’re Queer, Get used to it!” and a lot of us did.
            I hope you haven’t lost your respect for me! 🙂

          • glenbo

            >>” Unfortunately I find other ‘Christians’ do not
            understand it the same way and go too far in their judgments IMO. “<>” We aren’t supposed to help sinners with their
            sins, as it would make us sinners too. So being involved in something that is sinful in a Christians eyes, is not something we want to do.”<>” Just as there are Christians that behave hatefully
            to LGBT, there are LGBT people that behave hatefully to people just because they are Christians”<>” I guess maybe the LGBT movement makes me feel like they should just live and let people get used to them, but too many people won’t allow that because of their hatred. “<<

            OH MY GAWD!
            Their hatred???
            Christians are the victims???
            What a horrible thing to say.

            Sorry, you just lost credibility along with my respect.

            You need a sensitivity class badly

          • Sharon_at_home

            I did not say that Christians are the victims! I said too many people – I guess I should have said Including Christians to make it clearer. I was talking about LGBT people being left alone to live their lives.
            Christians are not the only people showing hatred to the LGBT’s.
            As far as all that information above about Christians did this and that – I thought I made it clear that I’m not necessarily on board with what the Christians of the world are doing.
            Please read my posts again. You will see that I have said that the LGBT people are no different than anyone else and people should leave them alone over and over again. All I’ve been telling you is how I see these ‘Christians’ behaving so badly about them. I present the Christian point of view from my own and it is not filled with hatred or anything else. I’m sorry if you didn’t see that in one of the posts I replied to, but it is there.

          • glenbo

            >>” Christians are not the only people showing hatred
            to the LGBT’s. “<<

            Where do you think the hate originated from in the first
            place? Harry Potter?

            My point in all of what I post is that religion is the
            source for the demonization of an entire demographic group for no rational reason. The hate being perpetuated is rampant. Please open your eyes and visit
            a few more religion based blogs…the people are so full of hate, you gotta wonder why and where it comes from. I can tell you in one word:

            GOD.

            Or to be more accurate since there is no god, RELIGION.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I don’t agree with you and I’m going to leave it at that. I’ve written replies to you saying again and again that not all Christians are the same and you just insult Christianity over and over again.
            I thought we were having a reasonable discussion with each other but obviously we weren’t.
            I’m not interested in trying to explain my own personal feelings about my faith over and over, when you seem to feel it makes me the same as these Christians that did these things you say they did.
            I don’t do it, and I cannot change how they act whether I believe it is right or wrong. Don’t blame every Christian for what some do. We are not all the same, just like all unbelievers are not the same.
            Have a nice day. 🙂

          • Charles

            “”When I clicked on your private profile, all I get is large
            type saying “Deal with it.”
            Generally, those with whom I debate with private profiles
            tend to be not so friendly, so I am prepared to “deal” with potential unfriendliness.””

            That’s a generic response generated by Discuss. All private profiles say that.

            “”Clinical, perhaps. Not social.
            None of my gay friends refer to themselves as “homosexual.” However, the Family Research Council, ADF, NOM, Focus on the Family and almost all “Christian” websites only use the term “homosexual.”
            It is done so deliberately with mal intent. It adds to the
            desired demonization of a rejected demographic group and perpetuates animus directed towards LGBT people…the church’s agenda.
            Nobody who is pro-LGBT rights uses that term. Everyone who is anti-LGBT uses it. You simply raised a red flag of potential bigotry which I am ready to “deal with.”””

            Well, that may be the case now, but it wasn’t always so. The term was used by homosexuals themselves many years ago before they made it the “Kinder, Gentler” word “Gay”. Things have changed quite a bit since then. Kind of like, when you explain that God isn’t Ok with homosexuality. You are branded a “Bigot”. No malice on my part, just a word.

            “”Why is it “not okay with God?” I can understand the other sins, lying, cheating, stealing and murder, as all those hurt others and I don’t need a god or a guide book to know that. Not so sure who is harmed by the sin of working on the Sabbath. But how are you or anyone else harmed by the sexual activity of adult consenting strangers in their bedrooms?””

            Where exactly did you learn that lying, cheating, stealing, and murder were wrong? What guided you to that belief? The homosexual lifestyle is first harming them. Secondly, they are actively pushing their beliefs of “Acceptance” onto the Churches (Which are the Churches fault for not standing fast in the Word of God), Kids, and the much of the Heterosexual population when it’s not wanted.

            “”If someone’s only reason in persecuting LGBT people is God, then one should be prepared to defend their reasoning. If one cannot as none can (look at my conversation history…it’s public!) then one is holding an empty sack. Therefore, one’s negative behavior towards an entire group of people is without merit. All I seek is merit in the negative oppressive behavior. If one cannot produce it, one is without just reason and cause to persecute LGBT people. This is logic 101.””

            Well, it’s certainly important to defend ones reasoning. I don’t believe we would be having this conversation if either didn’t believe that. Define “Persecuting?”.

            “”Well, first of all, Jesus never addressed homosexuality.
            I am here because I resent the needless irrational religious persecution of LGBT people who have done nothing to deserve it. I am merely here in their defense. This isn’t about what you worship never mind why… it’s
            about why these people are being persecuted.
            So far, nobody can give me a good reason why other than an irrational imaginary non-existent reason nobody can justify or defend.””
            Yes, Jesus did address homosexuality. It’s been stated several times throughout the Bible.

            (2Ti 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
            The word “Inspiration of God” means God breathed. The Word comes from Jesus. Jesus, The Holy Spirit, and the Father are the one. If stating the truth is persecution by your definition, so be it.

            “”Interesting concern. Are you an anti-gay bigot?
            Try not to lose sleep over the word “gay.” It’s just a word.
            Do you want to take away their rainbow as well?””

            “”There’s that word again.. “Bigot”. I don’t lose sleep over it. Whose rainbow? You mean God’s Rainbow they have perverted? Kind of like “Gay Pride”.. Do you know the number one thing God hates?
            All the gay people I know are happy…some happier than straight people I know. How many gay people do you know?””
            Some adulterers are quite happy, some liars, thieves are quite happy. Does that somehow validate that’s it OK with God? No.

            “”Would my opinions and arguments matter or be any different if I was gay? I still don’t understand why you needed to know my sexuality. Would you respond or judge me differently? Most people assume I am gay on these anti-gay blogs merely because I am speaking up against bigotry and the conversations get vile and call me gay slurs. They change their tune quickly when they realize they haven’t been arguing with “one of those people” all this time. Hatred of gays gushes in these blogs””

            No. Just like to understand who I’m speaking with. No hate here.

            “”Wrong, sir. I am not “obsessed with the LGBT community,” I am here in defense of their rights. Not enough people come forward in their defense. But there’s a plethora of those against them and there’s no good reason why. There are a lot of nice people being demonized and hurt for no rational reason.””

            I never stated you were obsessed. There is a good reason for a Christian to object to that behavior, as it’s not acceptable in God’s Word. Just like lying, stealing,etc.

            “”It’s a long list, but for starters, none of the LGBT people
            I know are child molesters, are out to recruit children into the gay lifestyle, are sick with a disease (that I know of… as if it’s anyone’s business), depressed and/or suicidal (as if that’s anyone’s business) or out to deliberately take away your religious freedom.””

            How exactly (I’m not implying any of them are child molesters, or are clinically depressed, etc) would you know? Unless you did backgrounds checks on these homosexual people you know? Would you really know if they were a child molester, or had deep depression, or that some are out to “Change” people’s minds about homosexuality? I’m basing firstly, on the Word of God, and secondly, on personal experience and interactions with some of these people. You must be very fortunate to not have met any of these types of homosexuals. That hasn’t been my experience however. God’s institution of Marriage was ordained in the beginning with Adam and Eve. The fact that activist are trying to destroy that institution ordained by God from the very beginning is the primary problem I have with this behavior. The problem isn’t “Bigotry”.. The problem is sin. The only way to be pulled from it spiritually is Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY way to combat sin. As I stated before, it’s not just homosexuality. The same applies to lying, stealing, adultery, etc. The difference is, most aren’t actively campaigning for lying, or stealing, or adultery. Rightly so. Instead they should be ashamed if they were promoting those sins. Somehow, the homosexuals aren’t ashamed. That seems to be an unfortunate side effect of “Gay Pride”.

            “”No, sir. It is not my intention to change anyone’s beliefs,
            be they rational or not. I am here to point out the selfish ludicrousness of their behavior towards an entire demographic group for no good reason.””

            The reason was already stated. It’s not Ok with God. Our duties as Christians are to preach the truth according to the Word of God. Many times, the truth hurts but in the end, truth always wins. The truth is the Word of Jesus Christ.

            “”Think, feel and believe as you wish. But when you treat my loved ones with disdain, unfairness and hate, then I have a problem and take offense with that behavior.””

            Well, again if truth is considered “Hate”, or “Disdain”, or “Unfairness”, so be it. You’ll have to take that up with God. I don’t hate, or disdain people. If I did, I wouldn’t be discussing this with you.

            “”However, If I could convince Muslim fundamentalist
            terrorists there is no heaven with 72 black-eyed-virgins awaiting them if they blow themselves up in a crowd of people, I would do it. Some believe lead to atrocious behavior. While Christians are far away from blowing themselves up in a crowd of non-Christians, the concept of persecuting LGBT people in the name of a non-existent imaginary god is identical to fundamentalist Islamic terrorism.””

            You ask for tolerance, but don’t offer any yourself? We aren’t discussing Muslims. I know what Muslims are, and I know their history. God has shown me many things. Because you don’t have the Living God (There’s only one true God Jesus Christ) in your life, it makes him not real because………you say so? Well, that’s your choice but I will tell you the truth according the Word. Most of the world is completely deceived.

            “”And this “truth” is?””

            God’s Word. The Holy Bible. Amen.

          • glenbo

            >>” Where exactly did you learn that lying, cheating,
            stealing, and murder were wrong? What guided you to that belief?”<>” The homosexual lifestyle is first harming them.”<>” Secondly, they are actively pushing their beliefs
            of “Acceptance” onto the Churches (Which are the Churches fault for not standing fast in the Word of God),”<>” Well, it’s certainly important to defend ones
            reasoning. I don’t believe we would be having this conversation if either didn’t believe that. Define “Persecuting?”<>” Whose rainbow? You mean God’s Rainbow they have perverted?”<>” There is a good reason for a Christian to object
            to that behavior, as it’s not acceptable in God’s Word.”<>” I’m basing firstly, on the Word of God”<>”on personal experience and interactions with some of these people. You must be very fortunate to not have met any of these types of homosexuals.”<>” How exactly (I’m not implying any of them are
            child molesters, or are clinically depressed, etc) would you know?”<>” God’s institution of Marriage was ordained in the
            beginning with Adam and Eve.”<
            >” The fact that activist are trying to destroy that
            institution ordained by God from the very beginning is the primary problem I have with this behavior.”<
            >” It’s not Ok with God. Our duties as Christians are
            to preach the truth according to the Word of God.”<>” I don’t hate, or disdain people. If I did, I
            wouldn’t be discussing this with you.”<>” God’s Word. The Holy Bible. Amen.“<<

            How do I determine the bible is true? If I cannot, all you
            assert based on it is meaningless and has NO merit.

          • Charles

            “”Probably where my fellow atheists got their moral compass…from simply caring about the well-being of others. I don’t need a guide book full of murder and a murderous dictator to know that.””

            Hmmm And where exactly did your atheist friends get it? Amphibians?

            “”So does smoking, drinking, doing drug and eating poorly. What others do with their bodies is NONE of your business.””

            This is true. You have that right.

            “”This is a lie. The only thing LGBT want people want is
            equality. They don’t give a rat’$ a$$ about religion unless religion steps on their freedom…WHICH IT DOES. Sorry,
            religion isn’t the victim here. Religion is the aggressor.

            Such a lie.””

            You appear to be losing your composure..You seem to have a lot of hate in your heart. Ironic you call others hateful. Equality of what exactly? If they don’t care about religion why are attempting to have it accepted in the Churches? No lies here. the truth of God’s Words cuts deeper than a sword.

            “”Voting against marriage equality, not passing ENDA, and
            writing hate-filled bigotry like what you just wrote.””

            There is no such things as homosexual marriage.

            “”Perverted??? Seriously? I knew it! Sir, you are a bigot.””

            Perhaps you didn’t get the memo. The rainbow was a sign that God wouldn’t flood the earth again. Not homosexual “Pride” parades aka rebellion against God. He doesn’t approve of homosexuality.

            “”First of all, the sexual behavior of consenting adult strangers in their bedroom is none of your business.””

            That’s true. I don’t care what they do in private accept it’s come out of the bedroom hasn’t it for the rest of us to “Accept”. Not going to happen with God, or his true followers.

            “”Second, “objecting” in one thing, Behavior is another. If
            you voted against LGBT rights and write anti-LGBT crap like you do, you are BEHAVING on behalf of your personal opinion which you would benefit best by keeping your prejudice and bigotry laced opinions to yourself and leave LGBT out of your publically voiced bigoted opinions.””

            First, it’s God’s command, clearly stated. Second, since I’m with the Lord, it’s also my opinion. I’ll keep in mind that you aren’t a strong free speech supporter. Unless it’s YOUR version of course. I’m not “Anti-LGBT”. I’m pro God.

            “”Those words are meaningless because God doesn’t exist other than in your imagination.””

            No.. The scriptures have been around for thousands of years. Obviously, the Words of God to you are meaningless. You aren’t the first to not get it, you won’t be the last I suspect.

            “”I don’t believe that every single gay person you have “met” is a child molester, “recruits children” or is oozing with sickness. I sense you are lying, or have very bad luck meeting people. By the way with today’s medicine, it’s easier to catch the flu than it is to contract HIV. And your
            foolish presumption presumes that ONLY gay people contract STIs and heterosexuals do not. Why would you even bring STIs into the debate? Foolish.””

            Comprehension problems? I didn’t say “Every single one” did I? Nice. Insinuating that I may be lying because it shatters your paradigm? You remind me of a child covering their ears when they don’t want to hear what they wish not to hear. Hmm.. I made no presumptions about STIs, or HIV. Must be a different conversation you were having.

            “”And even if your defense is that gays do get sick at a
            higher rate, why use that as a barometer and excuse to deny them rights? HIV is rampant in Africa among heterosexuals, and intravenous drug users trump all in STI infection. Blacks are at higher risk of high blood pressure, heart disease and diabetes which kills them as a far higher rate than gays. Your logic is infantile. You talk like Tony Perkins and Peter Sprigg and Brian Brown.””

            Stay focused now, you can do it!

            “”Seriousely? You just said all the gays you met are this and that, now you are saying how would I know. How did YOU know?
            You just contradicted yourself sir, and you plummet in
            credibility and believability. I cannot believe anything you say now.””

            There’s that comprehension thing again. You are really blinded by hate aren’t you? So much so it seems to really affect your focus.

            “”I have no reason to believe this is true. Besides, marriage
            is SECULAR. Gay people aren’t interested in a religious marriage, just a sate one. Religion violates boundaries when it tries to own secular laws. Butt out, please. Nobody is stopping you from having a “Godly” marriage so stop preventing others from having a non-Godly marriage. It’s none of your business, disrespectful and intrusive.””

            Except the precept of marriage was God’s precept. Not a “Secular” one. If they weren’t interested in “Religious Marriage”.. Why call it marriage? Why not call it a union? Or a Same sex union? A Civil Union? Why use “Marriage”? Marriage is from God. There is no other.

            “”I assume your marriage is intact. Therefore, your statement is false.

            You are being very disingenuous by accusing gay people of intentionally trying to “destroy” something you do not own and that is still INTACT. Can heterosexuals still get married? Yes. Then your statement is a LIE.

            No. It’s been outright stated by homosexual activist that’s their intent. You should really research more. I don’t “Own” it. God does. He’s the one who created it. He’s the one who defines marriage. Not you or anyone else.

            “”This attitude is BIGOTRY, sir, therefore you are a bigot. Look the word up please before you deny being one.””

            And the word of the day……………………? Is Bigot! Do I get five cents every time you write that word now?

            “”Your religion is not the business of LGBT people. You cannot impose your religion on anyone. If you voted against same-sex marriage, it was an act of bigotry. Your non-existent imaginary god doesn’t give you power over others.””

            I don’t need to “Impose” my “Religion” on anyone. If you are one of God’s people, you get it. If not, you don’t. Well, by trying to get acceptance into the Churches, and passing propaganda to children and the masses you have made it our business. That word of the day five cents sure adds up quick with you.

            “”If you are against LGBT rights, you disdain and hate. No
            question about it. Otherwise you would be minding your own business and live and let live.””

            I see. Yet, here you are on a Christian site NOT minding your own business. So, let’s see if I have this correct. If I don’t agree with you I’m a Bigot, and I should suppress my views and mind my own business on a Christian website. Got it!

            “”How do I determine the bible is true? If I cannot, all you
            assert based on it is meaningless and has NO merit.””

            Eyewitness testimony for starters. I get it, it’s meaningless to you. Fortunately we all don’t think as you do.Have you actually really researched to see if it’s true, or just parrot what your atheist buddies tell you?

          • glenbo

            >>”Hmmm And where exactly did your atheist friends get it?”<>” If they don’t care about religion why are
            attempting to have it accepted in the Churches?”<>” There is no such things as homosexual marriage.”<>” The rainbow was a sign that God wouldn’t flood the
            earth again.”<>” Not going to happen with God, or his true
            followers.”<>” I’m not “Anti-LGBT”. I’m pro God”<>” The scriptures have been around for thousands of
            years.”<>” Except the precept of marriage was God’s precept.”<>” No. It’s been outright stated by homosexual
            activist that’s their intent.”<>” I don’t need to “Impose” my “Religion” on anyone.”<>” If you are one of God’s people, you get it. If
            not, you don’t”<>” If I don’t agree with you I’m a Bigot,”<>” Eyewitness testimony for starters.”<<

            Eyewitness testimony where?
            Charles, with all due respect, if you don't like being labeled a bigot, just don't act like one.

          • Charles

            “”From the same place primates, dogs and dolphins got it…Innate empathy.””

            FISH!.. You speak of origins of a fish and you talk about an imaginary God?

            “”Please provide evidence this is true.””

            Unitarian Churches for starters. Matthew Vines ring a bell? Going on all over the place. See, I’m a Christian so I keep up on the attacks on Christians. But I also study many subjects that all relate back to God. Did you know that Christians are persecuted in the world more than any other religious group? Did you know that? Of course you didn’t. You are still contemplating how you fit in with fish.

            “”Nice attempt at a distraction. Let me phrase this simpler:

            If you voted against gay marriage, you are a bigot.

            Did you, Charles, vote against same-sex marriage? Or would you if you had the opportunity?””

            What are we up to now? Twenty five dollars on the “Word of the Day” game? Wouldn’t have mattered if I did vote on it. The activist judges overturned it anyway. But since you ask, I had no opinion at the time on it. I was not a follower of the Lord.

            “”Why should anyone believe in God?””

            Well, one reason is you’re here. Living, speaking, and breathing around an immense, vibrant complexity of life. I think most ask the question what are we doing here. Yes? Isn’t God amazing with all of the beautiful creatures he’s created?

            “”Well then, whose concern should all this be?

            Why are you so concerned? I am concerned because I actually KNOW many LGBT people. So why are YOU so concerned? What makes it any of your business? How does any of this affect you?””

            Again, I’m not anti-lgbt. I’m pro God. I’ve known Homosexuals too.

            “”Are you saying marriage isn’t secular? Or are you having a comprhension problem

            Show me any State marriage law that mentions religion or God.””

            I don’t care what the state has to say about it. It’s simply a money maker for them anyway. The USA was formed primarily by Masons, who have no idea who God is. The sure know who “Lucifer” or AKA Satan is though.

            “”How do I determine what is written within the scriptures is in any way true?””

            Prophecy for one. One third of the Bible is prophecy. No other religious book can make that claim. It’s been one hundred percent accurate. From predicting the rise and fall of empires such as Alexander and Persia. To around four hundred prophecies of the Messiah Jesus Christ. The future foretold in Revelations talks about a one world system of Government and Religion. A hundred years ago they would have laughed at you for making that statement. We are headed that way with the “Global” community. All coming true. It’s right there to be seen. Only the one true God would know these things.

            “”Please provide proof this is true.

            And then please provide proof this is a universal intent of ALL homosexuals.

            If you cannot, your credibility plummets””

            You can look it up. I forgot here name. It’s on Youtube. At a homosexual conference she declares that the true intention of homosexual “Marriage” isn’t about marriage at all. But the destruction of traditional ideas, and values. I don’t believe every homosexual agrees with “Gay Marriage”, or that they all think that way. Or that some just want to be left alone. In fact, I’ve heard several state they don’t believe in “Gay Marriage”. They believe it’s between only and man and woman. But they are the silent minority. The activist have the power. The Golden Rule if you will. He who has the Gold, makes the rules. My credibility relies on truth according to the Most High God. I care not what credibility you think I may, or may not possess. I have the utmost respect for my God. The last thing I want to do is lie to him. So don’t count on me lying to you.

            “”If you voted against same-sex marriage, you already have done just that.””

            Well, as I stated earlier I didn’t care at the time. Not that it mattered what the people thought anyway.

            “”So if one is NOT one of “God’s people,” scriptures don’t apply.””

            No. The scripture applies to everyone. My point is, you can choose to know Gods Word or not. If you choose not to, you won’t care what God says. Regardless if God deems something a sin. You will be your own God. The very lie Satan spewed from his serpent tongue in the beginning. It’s a broad road to destruction. Narrow is the way to the Lord.

            “”Eyewitness testimony where?
            Charles, with all due respect, if you don’t like being labeled a bigot, just don’t act like one.””

            The Prophets, Kings, Apostles (Witness’ to Jesus Christ) in the Bible. The evidence isn’t just in the Bible. There are testimonies of unrelated “Secular”, writings of events and persons in the Bible. Not to mention the archaeological evidence. There’s plenty of proof that God is exactly who he says he is. God is awesome. Truly a miracle worker of epic proportions. He’s done everything he said he would do, and completely turned my life right side up. He’s done this very same thing to millions of people. I was a very angry kid growing up with a virtually non-existent father, and part time alcoholic mother. I should be dead frankly because that’s where I was headed. All that changed when I met the Lord. Yes, he will speak and guide you everyday. It’s a real living relationship with God on a daily basis. He is the Most Loyal and will never abandon you. If you fall down, he will pick you back up. He will show you things that most just can’t see. He is a father to the fatherless. Most blessed and just plain amazing is the Lord Jesus Christ! Amen.

            By the way. I appreciate you toning it down a notch to a more rational civil discussion. Thank you.

          • glenbo

            >>” The scripture applies to everyone.”<<

            Thank you for a revealing conversation.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Telling someone about their religious beliefs is not Imposing them on them. It’s simply telling them. People are not forced to believe because you can’t force anyone to believe anything they don’t want to. Telling them about faith is nothing more than trying to tell them there is another way that they can follow in their lives. They have to choose what they want to do themselves.

          • glenbo

            Hi Sharon. Thank you for your reply.

            >>”Telling someone about their religious beliefs is
            not Imposing them on them. It’s simply telling them.”<>” Telling them about faith is nothing more than
            trying to tell them there is another way that they can follow in their lives.”<<

            What is the reason to do this? This comes off as looking
            down on them and their very existence based on non-existent imaginary reasons.
            Why would anyone feel compelled to do this to others? What makes how other people “follow in their lives” any of your business? You are making it difficult for me to respect you, Sharon.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Why do we talk to others about our faith? We want everyone to turn to Jesus so we try to tell people about him. That’s what God wants us to do. We feel it improves our lives and want others to experience the peace and Joy that comes with knowing Jesus. You know we don’t just tell people we think of as big sinners about our faith.
            You know, Christians are supposed to be loving people. They aren’t supposed to demean and be cruel to anyone else. But there are a lot of Christians that don’t follow a Christian lifestyle, and they make it difficult to see the good Christians for who they are.
            Before I joined my church I used to think all Christians – people who went to church – for me – were good people and to be admired. Once I was involved in my Church and others around me, I realized that out in the world there are more Christians who don’t follow what Jesus told us to be like, and they just want to make big things out of the scriptures instead.
            One thing I have learned is that the world view of Christians has been distorted to look like every one of us is the same and the ones that aren’t mean and rude are expected to be the same, so defenses go up and so it starts….
            I understand your feelings about LGBT and commented on it to you in another post.

          • glenbo

            >>” Why do we talk to others about our faith? We want
            everyone to turn to Jesus so we try to tell people about him. That’s what God wants us to do.”<<

            Talking about the love of Jesus is one thing. Voting away rights of LGBT people is extreme immoral negative behavior based only upon animus and/or hate.

            Posting anti-LGBT messages on the internet is negative
            behavior. It transcends “talking about Jesus.”

            You aren’t fooling me, Sharon.

            If you cannot prove your chosen god exists, you cannot call upon it as an authority over the lives of others. You violate boundaries horribly when you do this. This is exactly how fundamentalist Muslim terrorists
            function: “Allah has told me Christians are infidels. Therefore I am authorized by Allah to kill them.” The church-driven persecution of LGBT people is the
            exact same fundamental concept of an Islamic terrorist.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I don’t do that. You will never see one of my posts inciting hate towards ANYONE. Go ahead and look.
            “Why is it necessary to “tell someone about your religious beliefs?” What
            is the purpose of doing so? What are you trying to accomplish?”
            And that is what I replied to. There was no specifics about who I would be telling my religious beliefs about. I apologize for misunderstanding your intent.

            I personally have never tried to share my beliefs with LGBT people because I feel they don’t want to hear it. If someone comes to me that is LGBT and asks then I would tell them, but not unless they asked.

            No I can’t prove to you that my God exists but does that mean you have to try to tell me that I (me) have to stop believing because you don’t believe! If you believe something that I don’t (like there is no God) do you think I should keep pushing it at you until you should believe?

            When you believe in God it’s as much a feeling inside as the belief that He exists. God proves His existence to people of Faith in different ways so we can feel confident in our faith. The fact that you don’t believe in God just means you’ve never had noticed experiences of him because you explain things away without considering it may be a sign of God.

            I’m not trying to put you or anyone else down when I talk about my faith. I’m talking about a change in my own life not anyone else, but I do try to help others understand what is in their minds when they do do things that to both of us feel is wrong. I can see both sides of the issue and I am actually sensitive to both. That is why I try to post with kindness and understanding – You take my words as my actions but they are other peoples actions.

            My Christian faith says that I should love everyone – and I try to regardless of how hard it may be.

            Simple Question for you…Why do you come on this board to get into a discussion only to make it into an argument with us? I wouldn’t go to an Atheist board and do the same thing in reverse. You have never gotten a person to say “Oh yeah, I guess there isn’t a God” and high-fiving you, have you? So why come to a place you know is the opposite of how you feel life should be? Why not go to a board to discuss those things with people that agree with you? I’d much rather discuss religions with others of faith, than constantly read posts from people who don’t believe and want us to stop believing. What is the point when you are unlikely to get anything positive from it.

          • glenbo

            >>” My Christian faith says that I should love
            everyone – and I try to regardless of how hard it may be.”<>”Why do you come on this board to get into a
            discussion only to make it into an argument with us?”<<

            I can ask the same question of the authors of these blogs
            and anti-LGBT organizations like the FRC, ADF, NOM etc. Why does the Christian News Network create blogs like this that demonize LGBT people? What is their intent?

            But thank you for asking as the answer is quite simple.

            There is a tremendous amount of misinformation and outright lies being spread by these websites especially the FRC.

            The hate that runs rampant among so-called “Christians” is atrocious.
            Most of the hate for LGBT people is perpetuated by misinformation and untruths and many are swallowing this garbage and spreading it like wildfire on these
            hate-blogs. I have LGBT family, friends, clients and employees. (I am a contractor) I myself am heterosexually married with two kids.There are far too many people spreading hate for no good reason and very few defending the LGBT population who have done nothing to deserve the abuses the church perpetuates.
            The suicide rate for transgender kids is alarming, and yet these bigoted blogs continue to perpetuate hate.

            When I hear some so-called “Christian” claim they are
            somehow “victims” (not you) because LGBT people and children are being treated fairly it angers me as it is the exact opposite.

            When I hear ludicrous claims, I seek evidence and
            justification. So far everyone I seek this from has failed. This is a serious injustice being done to an entire demographic group for absolutely no rational
            reason.

            I am the voice for many LGBT people and LGBT children as well who are being victimized by the so-called “love” of Jesus.

            More people need to stand up for this needless injustice. I
            hope, Sharon, you are or at least will become one of those voices of fairness.

            I have no problem with the freedom of religion,
            but that freedom does not give anyone the right to take away the rights of LGBT people.

      • What does slavery have to do with this?

        • glenbo

          >>”What does slavery have to do with this”<<
          Grace Kim Kwon said "sin is slavery." Slavery is sanctioned in the bible. If you are addressing the behavior of man based on the bible, one needs to understand what is sinful and what is not and why. Grace claims homosexuality is sin (nobody can explain why) and then compares sin to slavery. Slavery is condoned by God. If one uses the bible to address morality, one needs to fully understand the morality of the bible. Condoning slavery is immoral.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Cotton picking is a noble labor. Submitting to West’s Sodomic pervs is a real disgrace as a human being. Americans became slaves to homosexuality because they abandoned the Holy Bible.

          • glenbo

            >>”Cotton picking is a noble labor comparing to being fed by white men and doing nothing.”<>”Americans became slaves to homosexuality because they abandoned the Holy Bible.”<<
            What makes the sexuality of other's your business?
            What makes your religious beliefs their business?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Today’s secular Westerners are so submissive to Sodomites what can be lost? Sodomic West prohibits both the truth and morality and corrupts all children; it must be fought against. The West needs Christianity not to commit crimes against humanity.

          • glenbo

            >>”it must be fought against.”<<
            The sexuality of others is none of your business.
            Accepting and being tolerant of LGBT people is not "corrupting" anyone. Just like accepting Muslims does not "corrupt" Christians.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Don’t insult the Muslims. The West must stop forcing the endorsement of homosexual sins; it is a human rights abuse. Sexual sins have no equal rights.

          • Jason Todd

            So you think you can have your cake and eat it too? Sex out in open, and we are supposed to mind our own business?

            Go to hell.

          • glenbo

            >>” Sex out in open”<<
            Explain this "sex out in the open." I haven't seen any.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Don’t curse or use h-words.

          • Jason Todd

            Grace, you need to shut up.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Don’t try to silence others, either. Silencing others who speak right things is only what bullies do.

          • Jason Todd

            If you actually have a problem with people using the word “hell” as a location and wish to complain about it then you’ve crossed the line from being simply annoying to someone who needs to be blocked.

            And so you are.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Using the word “hell,” you are cursing others. Don’t do that. Read Matthew chapters 5-7.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Actually, it does since they also worship Satan, under the label “Allah”. You do so under the label of “choice”, and so do those who willfully murder innocent infants.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Allah is Jehweh, little lady.

          • sandraleesmith46

            NOT even CLOSE; read the Quranic description of the character of Allah; and then read the Biblical description of the character of Yhwh, they can’t possibly be the same person! However, the same description as the Quran offers for Allah shows up in the Bible as well, attached to LUCIFER, aka SATAN!

          • Sin is being a slave to self and to satan. Christ Jesus is the only one that can break those chains and set you free.

          • glenbo

            >>”Sin is being a slave to self and to satan….Christ Jesus is the only one”<<
            How do I determine Jesus and satan are real?

          • Through the reading and studying of God’s Word.

          • glenbo

            >>”Through the reading and studying of God’s Word.”<<
            How do I determine God is real?
            What mechanism do I use to determine this?

          • By reading and studying His Holy Word.

          • glenbo

            >>”By reading and studying His Holy Word.”<<
            How do I determine the bible is in any way true?
            What mechanism do I use to determine this?

          • By reading and studying.

          • glenbo

            >>”By reading and studying.”<<
            Therefore, Harry Potter is REAL! Thank you!

          • golding4

            When your heart is seared and your conscience is dead, you can not determine if God is real because what He wrote on your heart has gone, and to believe in faith is all you have, and you are doing your best to destroy what little faith you have, you just want to argue about it to show all of us how smart you are…….well, you’re pretty dumb and if you were as smart as you say you are, you would know it.

          • glenbo

            Okay. Thank you so much for your wise inspiration.

          • glenbo

            >>” you’re pretty dumb and if you were as smart as you say you are, you would know it.”<<
            Thank you for this Christian wisdom. I'm going to show this to my Mother's church Pastor and ask his opinion.
            Thanks again for your inspiring help.

          • golding4

            Because you know!!!!!!!!

          • glenbo

            Oh, okay. Thank you!

          • PastProdigal

            That was the Old Testament. And it was never God’s will. Some traditions and practices came about because of the hardness of man’s hearts.

            I would guess you have “read” the Bible with mockery in your heart and the Holy Spirit will not open up the meaning to a heart filled with mockery. If you seek God, you will find Him, if you seek Him with all of your heart.

          • glenbo

            >>”That was the Old Testament. “<<
            Thank you for admitting God had gotten it WRONG.
            Well said.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            He meant Israel. You are an ignorant Gentile, so you could get mercy even if you repent now.

          • sandraleesmith46

            God didn’t “get it wrong”; that would be you and the rest of the rebels who did.

          • golding4

            Why…Because there is a New after the Old, of course you can’t see, or know that the New is in the Old and the Old is in the New….You just can’t understand, I understand that!

          • glenbo

            I am so glad that God works on a learning curve. Just imagine if he didn’t! The death and destruction we would face if God hadn’t learned!
            But I have to work on Sunday, (The Sabbath) so should I be put to death as per the 4th Commandment?

          • golding4

            You sure prove you know nothing about the bible, who told you the Sabbath is on Sunday, the bible didn’t, Saturday is the true Sabbath …..Jesus is greater then even the Sabbath and Real Christians rest in Jesus seven days a week ….You have a lot to learn, that death and destruction is coming your way like a Mack Truck speeding at 150 MPH, you will see the church gone and you will be left behind in your life time…and you will stand before the Great White Throne Judgment Seat of Christ, check out the Words of Jesus about the fig tree…..I am so sorry, that you are so dumb about God’s Word, I wish you blessings in finding Jesus but no one can go to Jesus unless the Father sends them and that Father is also God who looks deep into your heart and knows every little secret about you. and Jesus says; No one goes to the Father except through Him. Good …L…U..C…K even if there is no such thing as luck.

          • sandraleesmith46

            NO; slavery is NOT “sanctioned” it’s TOLERATED, in the same way that Christians still TOLERATE, but will not celebrate homosexuals! Yhwh God KNEW humans would rebel against His laws even before they were presented; and He would allow that under the auspices of free will choice, FOR A TIME: but that time is coming to its end NOW! Your intentional “misunderstanding” of what is presented shows clearly your unwillingness to learn His ways, to CHOOSE the right.

          • golding4

            And then, there is slavery to SIN….

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Sounds like you need to learn it, because you don’t understand, in context, what it means.

        • glenbo

          >>”Sounds like you need to learn it, because you don’t understand, in context, what it means.”<<
          Perhaps you can direct me to a bible verse that shows owning a human being as property and beating him is moral.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Stop whining; a commoner like you is a mere property of the 1%. You won’t be free from them until you read the Holy Bible. Read John chapter 8 to discover how to be free. Beating and accidental death does not bring execution to criminals.

          • glenbo

            >>”Beating and accidental death does not bring execution to criminals.”<<
            The bible condones the owning of others as property against their wishes. Do you find this acceptable?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, but the 99% are living that way. The Holy Bible prohibits abuses. You can be free only by knowing Jesus. John 8. 1 Corinthians 7.

          • glenbo

            >>”You can be free only by knowing Jesus.”<<
            What mechanism do I use to determine Jesus is real?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Repent your sin. Read the Gospel of John.

          • glenbo

            >>”Read the Gospel of John.”<<
            How do I determine the bible is in any way true?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            By reading it. Study the subject honestly.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How about the entire book of Philemon? And how about reading Exodux in context, because it’s why the children of Israel were freed.

          • glenbo

            >>”And how about reading Exodux in context”<<
            Please show me the "context" that makes it moral to own another person as property against their wishes.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Many people erroneously assume slavery in the Bible meant the same thing that it does in modern times. It does not. Old Covenant slavery was indentured servitude. It was a contractual agreement between employer/employee. Under Israel, slaves had rights, could not be abused, and servitude was not forever unless a servant asked to remain in employ. The actual Hebrew word for translated into English as slavery refers to servants.

            Modern slavery is an altogether different system, is cruel and barbaric, and thus was overturned by Christians and does not exist in Christian nations.

          • glenbo

            >>”Old Covenant slavery was indentured servitude. It
            was a contractual agreement between employer/employee.”<>”Modern slavery is an altogether different system,
            is cruel and barbaric”<>” was overturned by Christians”<<

            Wrong. It was overturned by judicial fiat. Many were arguing in favor of slavery using scripture in defense of having the right to own slaves.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) Servants agreed to work for wages. That’s what “slavery” was in Old Covenant times. It was not the same as modern slavery. Slaves were not to be abused, could not be kidnapped, and had a physical place of refuge to escape to if they were not treated fairly. It was a contractual thing, entered willingly.

            b.) That verse refers to an employer being charged with murder if he kills his slave. If he continue, it means that the person is not fatally wounded, can work, and must work because he has entered a contractual agreement. It’s not the same thing as modern slavery.

            c.) You are quite wrong. While some who professed to be Christians owned slaves, many atheists and non-Christians owned slaves too. Muslims and African tribes were the biggest slave owners in the world, not Christians. Those who overturned Christianity were Christians, it was part of a Christian movement, and Scripture was used to overturn it. Even in our Christmas songs we sing,
            “Truly He taught us to love one another;
            His law is love and His gospel is peace.
            Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother;
            And in His name all oppression shall cease.
            Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,
            Let all within us praise His holy name.

            Christ is the Lord! O praise His Name forever,
            His power and glory evermore proclaim.
            His power and glory evermore proclaim.

            (From O Holy Night)

          • glenbo

            Yikes.

            You are deep in denial.

            A) All of them? Proof please? Didn’t God allow people to be kidnapped and purchased “from the heathens around you?” Who “agrees” to be purchased? Who “agrees” to be kidnapped?
            Who “agrees” to beatings? Who “agrees” to be owned as property?

            B) You need to read the rest of the bible verses on slavery. Please search: “Slavery in the bible.”

            Then we can talk about how God murdered children. I can’t wait to see how you defend that!

            C) Please do the following search: “Religion defends
            slavery.” Take your time, please.

            I don’t blame you for being in denial. Cognitive dissonance is a very unpleasant thing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) No. Kidnapping is punishable by death.

            b.) I already know what the Bible teaches about slavery and under Judaism, it was indentured servitude, not modern slavery nor slavery as practiced by heathen nations. People entered it willingly.

            c.) That doesn’t negate the fact that it was Christians who defeated slavery (Wilburforce, John Wesley, etc.)

          • glenbo

            >>”Kidnapping is punishable by death.”<<

            Really? No kidnapping?

            God ordered kidnapping of people to become slaves.
            Deuteronomy 20:10-11
            Deuteronomy 20:14

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not kidnapping. Do you even read what you write or are you just copying and pasting from atheist sites?

            The first verse you cited refers to war. They talk about using defeated enemies as employees rather than killing them. The second verse refers to tributaries. Do you know what tributaries are?

          • glenbo

            >>”Do you even read what you write or are you just copying and pasting from atheist sites?”<>”When you march up to attack a city, make its people
            an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.”<>” As for the women, the children, the livestock and
            everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.”<<

            So human lives become gifts or payment?

            Your denial is pathetic.
            Your value of human life is corrupted.
            Your excuses for a barbaric immoral god are despicable.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yeah, you’re copying from atheist sites. They always use poor translations. 🙂

            You should go to Bible Gateway or Bible Hub and check out the KJV and read the verses in context. You might gain a better understanding.

          • glenbo

            >>”You should go to Bible Gateway or Bible Hub and check out the KJV and read the verses in context.”<<
            There is NO "context" that morally justifies the owning of a human as property against his wishes.
            Since you insist there is, the burden of proof in on you to demonstrate it. Let's see it…
            I'm listening.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What part of no one owning another person in Old Covenant history do you not understand? You are confusing modern slavery with Biblical servitude.

          • glenbo

            >>”You are confusing modern slavery with Biblical servitude.”<<

            Why were they allowed to beat (to death) buy and sell and kidnap "biblical servants?" Why were children kidnapped into "servitude?"

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you not bother to read the responses to your posts/ They were not allowed to beat to death anyone. Murder is punishable by death. They did not kidnap anyone. Kidnap is also punishable by death. No one was taken into servitude against their will. They offered themselves as “slaves” (no such word in the original Hebrew) for a 7 or less year period to get out of debt. If they loved their Master and wanted to stay longer, they could.

          • glenbo

            >>”What part of no one owning another person in Old
            Covenant history do you not understand? You are confusing modern slavery with
            Biblical servitude.”<<

            Exodus 21:20-21 New International Version (NIV):

            —–20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.——

            Key words:

            “THE SLAVE IS THEIR PROPERTY.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not accurate. Never use the NIV. Here you go – again:

            “Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.”

          • Chris

            >>”Old Covenant slavery was indentured servitude. It
            was a contractual agreement between employer/employee.”<<

            Guest doesn't seem to know his bible. Hebrew slavery, which is what he/she is describing is NOTHING like the slavery foreigners were held under. They could be kept a slave for life, and even bought from neighboring countries.

          • glenbo

            >>”Guest doesn’t seem to know his bible.”<<
            You can sit in any church for a lifetime and there will be much of the bible the pastor will never touch upon. Otherwise, the pews would empty. That's bad business for the church, so Christians are actually grossly ignorant by design about the book they constantly plug.
            All Christians are cafeteria Christians.
            They are all forced to cherry pick.

          • Chris

            I grant you that with a book like the bible Christians are forced to cherry pick. However I would contest that all Christians are ignorant of the bible or even those who are, are ignorant by design. Many don’t know their own bible but many have read and studied it to the best of their abilities.

          • glenbo

            >>”I would contest that all Christians ignorant or even those who are ignorant by design. “<<
            This statement needs clarification, please.
            Please don't demean "all Christians" only because they identify as Christians. Demeaning people based only upon what group they belong to or identify as is ethnocentric behavior.
            It is exactly the same as racism.

          • Chris

            That was badly phrased on part. I thought you were arguing that all Christians are either deliberately or innocently ignorant of the bible and I was arguing against that. Hence the rest of my argument. Rereading it I can see how my phrasing needed to be a mite clearer. My bad.

    • glenbo

      >>”but homosexuality and transgenderism are willful sins”<<
      Are you saying sexual attractions can be chosen?
      Are you saying a transgender child "chooses" his/her gender identity?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes. Read Matthew 5; having sinful lust is a sin. Homosexual people should try not to be homosexual and never introduce such depravity to children. Today’s most transgenderism is a willful rebellion against God, but the genuine case is a mental illness. Children and adults should be educated to live out the birth gender. No cross-dressing. Romans chapter 1.

        • glenbo

          >>” Homosexual people should try not to be homosexual”<>”Children and adults should be educated to live out the birth gender.”<<
          What makes the sexual attractions and gender identity of other's anyone's business?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The truth. If USA prohibits the truth, the nation will persecute all Christians. It must be prevented now.

          • glenbo

            >>”The truth. “<<
            How does one determine the bible is in any way "true?"
            What mechanism do I use to determine that?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read it. Seek the truth with an honest heart. Ask God to help you understand His Word.

          • glenbo

            >>”Read it.”<<
            You didn't answer my question. Not doing so diminishes your credibility.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Reading. Have some honest literacy.

          • golding4

            If you would pour contempt on all your pride, you would stand a chance of knowing what is true because God wrote His Law on your heart (soul) and all mankind knows right from wrong before they act, it’s just that people choice the wrong to fit their desires

          • glenbo

            Why should I believe God exists?

          • glenbo

            >>”Read it. “<<
            I have…several times.
            Thank you for admitting the bible cannot be determined to be true.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You didn’t. Not-remembering = Not-reading

          • PastProdigal

            The Bible has proven to be 100% accurate in history, scientific facts, medical facts, prophecy, archeologically, and in every way it has ever been tested, and it will continue to be.

          • glenbo

            >>”The Bible has proven to be 100% accurate”<<
            Why should I believe you? You will not provide this proof.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Grace admitted NO such thing; that’s your rebellion speaking again.

          • golding4

            It is true only to them that believe…and they will be in Heaven. but there is no way that you in the state you are in can understand any spiritual message of the bible, You don’t get it……it is addressed to believers …Not mockers of it… there is knowledge about you in it…… Proverbs 1:25-33…. Isaiah 34:16-17 tells you how the bible came to be, it can’t be gotten rid of and it will go to the end of time………. and I think it will be in Heaven as a monument to the love of God and the salvation of man .

          • glenbo

            Why should I believe the bible is true?

          • golding4

            How about just a little prove! Moses, did He cross the red sea with all Israel? they found a destroyed Egyptian army even with golden chariot wheels, all the wood is gone but the gold is still there, they have pictures even that you could look at.

          • glenbo

            What reason can you give me to believe the bible is true?

          • PastProdigal

            The truth is out there to be found for those who are willing to research it with an open heart.

          • glenbo

            >>”The truth is out there to be found for those who are willing to research it with an open heart.”<<
            This is how I came to know Leprechauns exist!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Mockers hate the truth.

          • golding4

            You don’t want to get serious about what is true, you want to mock our walk with the Lord……… and Satan has been doing just that for thousands of years, he is using you to mock us to keep you! You are in real bad company and have no chance to come to Christ in your state of being…I want to be honest with you, you are lost and going to hell…that don’t have to be, you have to figure out truth yourself….for God designed salvation on FAITH alone, and if you had still remains of faith in the amount of a mustard seed, that would be enough if you turned to seek after God……

          • glenbo

            Why should I believe that God and Satan exist?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Jesus stated plainly: ” I Am THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life”; either He was a lunatic or He was telling the black and white unalterable Truth! Prove Him a lunatic and you’re off the hook; but you can’t do that because He wasn’t and isn’t a lunatic! Up to the present, all the Biblical prophecies that are due to have been fulfilled have been and more are unfolding virtually daily before our eyes, as this age draws to its conclusion, in preparation for Jesus’ imminent return.

          • golding4

            When you are so deep in sin, you even deny the bible because it condemns everything about you, but if you want to know the truth……You can’t…..the bible is not addressed to you, it is addressed to (Born again Christians) people that have been given a brand new spirit that is in commune with God and you can’t understand that!….You must be born again and every real Christian has been reborn and they are in love with our Savior Jesus Christ, God in the flesh! you may not like this what I am going to say….but….You are of your father Satan who has lead you all the way into homosexuality…..you will never be born again into the household of God while in the family of Satan….but….you could repent, if you had it in you to defy satan and turned to God for all the truth that you are without at this time and maybe forever, May God have mercy on you and give you the ability to repent before it is too late.

          • glenbo

            Why should I believe in God and Satan?

          • PastProdigal

            More and more people are choosing homosexuality for a new kick, because they are hurt by rejection, for an experiment, to rebel against their family, or any number of reasons.

            This is a fact whether you want to face it or not. They cannot procreate. Where do you think this explosion of those who call themselves “homosexual” have suddenly come from? Obama encouraged and elevated it, and lost people jumped into it with a splash. Especially young people.

          • Parodyx

            You don’t “choose” homosexuality. It’s something you’ve either got or you don’t. You can’t be rid of it. It’s the luck of the draw, the way you are wired. I can’t believe it’s necessary to say this over and over.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Rapists and pedophiles claim being wired, too. They always demand victims.

          • Parodyx

            Rape and pedophilia are acts of abuse, Grace, and a consensual homosexual relationship is not. I don’t know why you struggle with this concept. It would not matter how a rapist or pedophile is “wired” if innocent parties are in danger of being hurt.

          • sandraleesmith46

            “Consent” has nothing to do with the fact that the behavior is a SIN; it’s rebellion against Yhwh God’s order, period. But Grace is correct: pedophiles and rapists make exactly the SAME claim to being “born that way” and not able to choose otherwise as homosexuals do! ALL are lying since Yhwh God did NOT create anyone “those ways”!

          • Parodyx

            You will have a hard time making the case that it’s a sin when there is no way for them to be anything other than homosexuals. And I am truly sorry the subject of mutual informed consent is so difficult for you. Homosexuality does not mean abuse.

          • scarlette6

            Being homosexual itself is not a sin, but the homosexual act/lifestyle is. I could tell you what the Catholic stance is on this, but I have the feeling you either know and don’t care, or you wouldn’t be interested.

          • Parodyx

            Correct. And no, I disagree that it is sin when it is not chosen.

          • sandraleesmith46

            It’s sin when it’s chosen as well as when it’s forced on another. It’s SIN, period.

          • Parodyx

            It cannot be sin because it is NOT chosen. When did you choose to be heterosexual?

          • sandraleesmith46

            As a CHILD, when I resisted efforts to teach me different, same as you chose it by yielding to that teaching.

          • Parodyx

            No Amos, you chose nothing. You had a natural attraction. Just as everyone does. No one had to convince you what you were attracted to. And no one ever could.

          • sandraleesmith46

            WRONG AGAIN! 1 sibling and 2 cousins DIDN’T resist the teaching and became as dysfunctional as you are.

          • Parodyx

            First of all, you don’t know anything about me. Just because I defend homosexuals doesn’t mean I am one. Secondly, “resisting” does absolutely nothing. Why can’t you understand that if you’re homosexual, there is nothing you can do about it?

          • Why can’t you understand that it is a choice and not born that way? They were even kicked out of the military when I served, due to it being immoral and unnatural.

          • Parodyx

            Present your proof that people choose it. I know you can’t, and so do you. It’s innate. Not chosen.

          • glenbo

            >>”due to it being immoral and unnatural.”<<
            What is your definition of "moral?"
            What is your definition of "natural?"

          • What is yours?

          • glenbo

            >>”What is yours?”<<
            I never answer questions with questions. It only diminishes my credibility, integrity and sincerity.
            However, I will answer your question when you answer mine.
            Fair enough?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Because that is NOT TRUE: and it’s NOT “accepted science” or anything remotely LIKE actual science.

          • Parodyx

            You can disagree all you like but the APA has practically every other similar group on its side.

          • Parodyx

            Well, tell the scientists who already know you’re wrong, don’t keep screaming at me.

          • First, what makes you think that the teacher in this article was trying to “teach” children to be non heterosexual? Who was trying to teach you to be non heterosexual?

            Is it a sin to merely to know that non heterosexuals exist and that they should be treated with kindness and respect? (Which is all that Reidas was trying to convey)

            But, of course, if you had to “choose to decline what you believe was an attempt to have you indulge in a life of homosexuality, then it must be that you, previously to that attempt, were as attracted to your own gender as much as you were to the opposite gender.

            Cool. You just decided that the religion you were taught to believe presented a god that would send you to an eternal burning hell if you dared to give in to your inclinations, fall in love with one of you gender, and want to marry her. That is a mortal sin deserving eternal torture? That is the punishment meted out by your loving, merciful god?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Many people DO teach exactly that to their children, some without conscious awareness of what they’re teaching, others FULLY aware of it and its destructiveness.
            No; it’s not a sin to know such persons as rebels against Yhwh God exist, and no they don’t need to be treated disrespectfully; but they DO need to be told their rebellion will lead to eternal damnation by their OWN CHOICES.
            I wasn’t “attracted” to anyone as a toddler,when those lessons were being taught. Neither is any other child of that age!
            As for my religious beliefs, I wasn’t “taught” to believe anything; I made my choice as a well informed adult; after having studied many religions, including many of the cults’, for several years. And Yhwh God doesn’t force any to choose Him; but there are consequences for all choices;and the consequence for choosing rebellion is death, eternal damnation, end of story. Yhwh is merciful; NONE of us deserves less than that penalty; yet He offers a way out of it, for any and all willing to accept it; but not all are willing to accept it.

          • No; it’s not a sin to know such persons as rebels against Yhwh God exist, and no they don’t need to be treated disrespectfully; but they DO need to be told their rebellion will lead to eternal damnation by their OWN CHOICES.

            But, how are kids to know that LBGTQ folks exist or to treat them with respect unless someone teaches them? Most parents, I’m quite sure, do not mention them to their kids. The teacher was expanding the minds of her charges, not trying to make them want to be in that community.

            Your believing that LBGTQ folks live in sin is, of course, a religious belief protected by the Constitution as is your right to express that view. I argue, however, that this view is born of an ignorance (non pejorative) of science and the deep sense of insecurity that is necessary to be a fundamentalist in the first place. I say this because some attempts to “convert” LGBTQ people, especially teens, has led to suicides.

            These “conversion” or “rescue” attempts are definitely born of ignorance of science. We should all be taught genetics, especially where it comes to genotype (the complete genetic structure (including behavioral predispositions) of a person vs. phenotype (the outward appearance) of a person.

            I wasn’t “attracted” to anyone as a toddler,when those lessons were being taught. Neither is any other child of that age!

            I never said “as a toddler.” My reference to “tot-hood” simply refers to one’s years of prepubescence. However, you’ve enlightened me on the fact that this term is ambiguous, so I’ll cease to use it. Thank you.

            I wasn’t “taught” to believe anything; I made my choice as a well informed adult; after having studied many religions, including many of the cults’, for several years.

            So, your parents did not take you to Sunday school and/or church as a preteen? You were not taught the Bible until you reached adulthood? You were not taught Christianity before you studied the others in comparison?

            By the way, why does Yahweh create evil in the first place? Is that indicative of a merciful and omnibenevolent god?

          • sandraleesmith46

            First; children under 18 don’t need to know about any of that at all; second, life will teach them as they mature; they don’t need it shoved down their throats like baby birds in a nest. It’s not “expanding'” the minds of children; it’s DAMAGING their minds and souls doing so, since they aren’t mature enough to properly process such information; in other words, it’s child abuse doing so.
            As for my “ignorance of science”; WRONG! I graduated from HS with a major sequence in sciences and then pursued a career heavily laden with biological and chemical sciences. Your insecurity charge is inane. The proper therapy for such mental illnesses does, in fact, work; it’s those who refuse to be changed who fail and suffer for that; and for the mental illness itself; and then LIE to the general public, claiming it doesn’t work. The fact is NO psychotherapy “works” unless the individual works at it and chooses to be changed.
            Referencing toddlerhood, I was referring to myself because that was when those lessons were presented to ME personally. I know all too well the damage they do! 2 of my cousins and 1 of my siblings weren’t strong enough to resist them and succumbed to those destructive lies.
            Yhwh God never did created evil; HUMANS and a rebel angel by the name of Lucifer, aka Satan, did that; Yhwh God simply allowed them, as each of us, free will to choose to rebel; but there are consequences to that rebellion, and we are all still paying that price.

          • children under 18 don’t need to know about any of that at all; second, life will teach them as they mature

            That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. But then that is one of the major problems in society and the world–kids not being taught about themselves and/or the behavioral diversity in society until they have already formed their own prejudices. I consider that to be mental abuse and leads to many problems.

            It’s not “expanding'” the minds of children

            Sorry but that is your opinion as well. Ignorance is not good for children. It makes bullies, cheats, superiority complexes, and increases xenophobia.

            But you would have them taught your religion that substantially increases their lack of understanding and xenophobia?

            I graduated from HS with a major sequence in sciences and then pursued a career heavily laden with biological and chemical sciences.

            So, you were given a formal education in the evolutionary theory and you rejected the scientific method that brought about the evidence confirming it?

            Of course, there are scientists who work for or are quoted by creationists, such as Behe (molecular biology) who apparently never understood the scientific method very well, and therefore his argument from irreducible complexity was thoroughly shot down in Dover, PA.

            So, people who attain such a high standing in science can still be ignorant of specific parts of their own field. I’m sure you must be familiar with that trial?

            From your argument that people who do not conform to your view of “normal” sexuality can be changed to your normal view such “therapy” never leads to suicide?

            Does a person’s genotype determine sexuality and does that determination always fit one’s phenotype?

          • sandraleesmith46

            You would DESTROY childrens’ minds and souls in the name of “diversity”? WOW, what an humanitarian; another adult whose WANTS are more important than a child’s NEEDS!

          • And you believe keeping kids ignorant and indoctrinating them into an exclusive religion will save the world” WOW! I imagine that you even voted for Trump with that logic.

            A child NEEDS a well rounded education. Apparently you were not given that, which is why you want do deny that to kids.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I said NOTHING about “indoctrinating” children into anything; only what they should NOT be exposed to until they are emotionally mature enough to process the information in an healthy manner! DNA determines sex and gender, period! Anything else is purely DELUSION, aka mental illness.

          • Interesting. And you had all that training in science. What was your school? Liberty U? So you do not know one’s genotype can have variations that do not show up and the phenotype, and that the genotype determines one’s sexual predisposition. Fascinating indeed.

            And, incidentally, DNA (one’s genetic build) IS the gestalt of the genotype.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No; it wasn’t. Not even the same state, although I did later work in VA. ANYTHING that doesn’t show up in your phenotype is DELUSIONAL, as I said because your DNA is the SOLE determinant.

          • Err, “show up?” I think you mean that anything absent from one’s phenotype, isn’t there. Hmm, seems to be an unnecessary argument. Of course if something isn’t there, it isn’t there.

            Do you believe that behavior is in no way is genetically based? It’s all a matter of nurturing? We are born tabula rasa with regard to behavior?

          • Non sequitir.

          • It is chosen. Wake up! If the Bible says it is a sin, it is a sin. Why? Are you a homo? If not, be quiet as you know nothing about what you are saying. Must also be an atheist.

          • Parodyx

            Not chosen. That is settled science you are trying to argue with.

          • Colorado_Patriot60

            Only by the agenda motivated perverted communist left

          • Parodyx

            So the APA and all the others are agenda driven communists?

          • Colorado_Patriot60

            TROLL!!
            I have no desire to argue with ignorance, good-bye!!

          • Parodyx

            It was a simple question.

          • It is a choice and nothing else.

          • Parodyx

            Your argument isn’t with me. It’s with science.

          • If this is true, which it is not, post your sources. I won’t hold my breath as it is a choice and a sin in the eyes of God. You lose.

          • Parodyx

            No problem.

            “There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.”

            apa dot org.

          • kbmiller

            It’s abuse of the mind.

          • Parodyx

            That is only your opinion.

          • kbmiller

            So is yours.

          • Parodyx

            Not true. I speak from the standpoint of the law and science.

          • golding4

            But it does mean that Satan won in his tempting of you towards homosexuality ….so that you are in defiance of God’s will and creation, too bad you can’t listen to God as you do Satan.

          • Parodyx

            God says noting about homosexuality, so you are lying.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not at all; NO ONE “made” them to BE homosexuals; and therein lies the sin of it; they make that CHOICE on their own. It’s free will REBELLION against Yhwh God’s order and laws. I understand “mutual consent” but I do question how “informed” it really is; having seen the physical as well as psychological damage such contact causes the individuals practicing it.

          • Parodyx

            Incorrect. You simply need to read the science on the matter, read what the American Psychological Association says, they have many writings on the issue and you will learn that it is not chosen. Although to me, it’s a bit ridiculous that you should have to go there for proof when you can simply ASK any homosexual if they “chose” it. And no, it’s not rebellion, and no, no one does it because they are angry with God. That is all nonsense. Read the accounts of young homosexuals who will tell you that they simply knew one day that they were, when their attractions were to their own gender.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I was reading that back when it was still science; before the conclusions were dictated by extortion, and the results paid for. Yes it IS rebellion; because it is choice and there’s NO WAY you can change Yhwh God’s law to suit your lusts.

          • Parodyx

            That sounds like conspiracy theory to me. You listen to your little voices in your head, and I’ll listen to medical science and we’ll leave it at that.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, I’m just old enough to remember when it was real science, and when the APA hadn’t been extorted into telling LIES!

          • Parodyx

            They don’t lie. They are a body of respected mental health, and they have virtually every other body of medicine on their side.

          • sandraleesmith46

            They DO lie and have NO ONE “on their side” but the ACLU!

          • Parodyx

            They have practically ALL the other groups in terms of support.

          • LIAR! Then why do so many perform acts on children trying to recruit them.

          • Parodyx

            They don’t. Where did you hear that?

          • Parodyx is correct. From the SCIENCE website, psychology dot ucdavis dot edu comes this article which contains numerous studies on child abuse by homosexuals and heterosexuals. The quote below is their conclusion of all those studies:

            The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.

          • Edward R Morrow

            Now I see where this poor soul hides. If old Yaweh could see you, he would never stop laughing, and then destroy his “error” on the spot.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Presence of consent is nothing, because it still makes sin such as suicide, incest, and drug abuses. Some cannibals claim that the victims wanted to be eaten. Homosexuality leads to pedophilia because it makes every human being as an object for sexual lust. It’s insane what the Western culture is doing this century. Watching naked bodies too much sure destroys brain cells. Repent the sin. Read the Holy Bible to be sane again.

          • Parodyx

            You can’t ask a cannibal victim if he wanted to be eaten because he is dead. Chances are he was not willing. But you CAN ask both partners in a homosexual relationship if they are willing, and both will say yes. This isn’t sexual lust, Grace, any more than a straight relationship is. It’s a loving relationship that cannot be had any other way, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong or sinful about it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            There are destructive or suicidal or depressed or addicted or demon-possessed people out there, Parodyx. Consent of such people means not a thing. Raped people often become homosexual. Sane society cannot support homosexuality; it means banning of morality and sanity.
            No Judeo-Christian value = Nothing good or right.

          • Parodyx

            There are destructive, suicidal, depressed and addicted people out there in GENERAL, Grace. In ALL walks of life. You just insist that they got that way because they didn’t get enough Jesus. Consent matters, because no one should be forced into doing something they are not comfortable with. You seem to struggle with the idea that two people of the same gender could actually love one another in a romantic way. Well, they do, and those people are called homosexuals. And they’re not demonic and they’re not looking to make God angry. It’s just a simple matter of them being wired that way, and the sooner you can accept that, the better off you will be.

            And no, raped people don’t change sexuality. It is not possible to change sexuality. You are what you were given.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Consent alone cannot be a reason of legality as suicide and cannibalism happens under a consent. Raped people DO change sexuality after being raped. Many homosexual men were raped when they were boys. Western Sodomic notion and human freedom cannot co-exist, because unconditional protection of sexual sins makes moral people guilty judicially, which is completely a wrong thing to happen. Today’s Secular Western culture means abolishing of sexual morality. Western nations are human rights abusers this century.

          • Parodyx

            I’m sorry, but no. I have no idea what you mean when you say cannibalism happens by consent or what it has to do with any of this. Raped people don’t change sexuality; nobody can change sexuality. Sexual morality is completely subjective.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Some cannibals claim that the victims wanted to be eaten. Consent is as good as non-existent regarding morality. Raped people often change sexuality permanently, that’s why the present Sodomic Western notion must get halted by all normal people. God condemns every sexuality as sinful other than one-man-and-one-woman-in-marriage. You believe otherwise because you grew up in Sodom’s barbaric culture.

          • Parodyx

            I believe otherwise because I understand basic science and psychological matters. If you would do the same thing you would realize that people falling in love is all this is, and there’s absolutely no reason to come down on it the way you have been.

            If you want to moralize about something, why don’t you go after sexual promiscuity rather than homosexuality? At least that would make sense. Gay or straight, people who sleep around ARE doing something unhealthy and opening themselves up to disease.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Falling in love with the same-sex member is as wrong as falling in love with kids or kins or animals and having appettite over fellow humans. Anything goes in Sodom. Straight traitors do not force Christians to bake cakes for their divorce or promiscuity but the homosexuals do. The Western culture is wrong to force Christians to serve homosexuality; it’s a way of enslaving mankind by bending God’s truth and breaking human conscience again. Western whites got bored again. No submission to rich pervs. May God bestow His justice upon the Earth.

          • Parodyx

            Falling in love is never wrong as long as it’s with a consenting adult. Homosexuals enslave no one, that is a persecution complex you have been harboring for quite a long time now. And your overuse of the words “Western” and “whites” make me wonder if there isn’t a slightly racist tone in what you are saying.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is wrong. Romans 1. There should be only friendship, loyalty, brotherhood, and sisterhood among the same-sex members. Western homosexuals demand Christians to serve their homosexual sin, and that’s why Earth is losing freedom. I noticed that it’s always the Western whites and their mental servants making rules and conclusions that oppress Christianity in free nations.

          • Troll alert.

          • Parodyx

            Is that right? What did I say that makes you think I am a “troll”, or is the truth that difficult for you?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Yes, in fact, you DO: maybe not always consciously, but it IS your choice, none the less. NO ONE is created homosexual; Yhwh God condemned it centuries ago and doesn’t THEN create beings incapable of acting in any other way but rebellion against Himself; ergo no one was “born that way”, it’s a CHOICE you make!

          • Kyler Phoenix

            No, it is not but your ignorance is a choice, as is your hate.

          • sandraleesmith46

            What you label ” hate” is actually the greatest act of “love” that can be extended to homosexuals; TELLING THEM they’re living in sin and what it leads to; because you may not have another chance to repent!

          • Kyler Phoenix

            No, it is drivel and hate. Now, hush up, little lady. You are to be silent and subservient. Know where that comes from?

          • sandraleesmith46

            Again you take Paul OUT OF CONTEXT, and second of all this is NOT “church”; so I do not have to be “silent” at all; in fact, I’m SUPPOSED to speak truth to the LIES being spread by the likes of you and glenbo.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Timothy, not Paul. Be quiet.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Your ignorance is showing again; those letters were written TO Timothy BY Paul!

          • Kyler Phoenix

            You said I was taking Paul out of context, little brain.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Because that’s exactly what you did.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            No, I did not. Explain, little brain…

          • golding4

            When you can’t win, you start calling names, right!

          • Kyler Phoenix

            More drivel.I did win. I shared facts.

          • Phillip Scheffner

            That’s how you combat the lies, with truth. The people that are confused about what is true, refusing to Seek wisdom like fine silver, to deliver them from the way of evil. Proverbs 2:1-22.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Yes, unfortunately, truth is now considered “hate speech” and a crime, by many.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            You didn’t even get the passage right? Ask god to help you.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Sure I did; it’s the second most misused passage by y’all lefties; the first is “judge not”. And it’s YOU who got it wrong.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            How so? You aren’t to be silent? Do elaborate…

          • Parodyx

            It’s really difficult to even formulate a response to what you say here when literally all of it flies in the face of medical science.

          • sandraleesmith46

            That IS medical science, not the nonsense y’all are claiming is “medical science” which is, in fact, bought and paid for faux “science”!

          • Parodyx

            It’s genuine science, and what’s more, there is scientific consensus.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No it’s not! Genuine science declared there’s NO gene or cluster of genes that causes homosexuality; however there ARE genes behind heterosexuality. And that’s the same “consensus” that backs “climate change” which ISN’T a consensus at all!

          • Parodyx

            There may be certain disputes about the cause of homosexuality, but we know that it’s not chosen and cannot be changed. Science is correct about that, because it has studied the issue. It doesn’t simply make statements about it being sinful or whatever some religion teaches.

          • sandraleesmith46

            NONSENSE: that’s just your excuse for NOT recovering and for excusing yourselves from any culpability in the disease and dysfunction you choose to live.

          • Parodyx

            I’m not a homosexual. I am guilty only if going along with the accepted science on the issue you continue to fight tooth and nail against.

          • celtic cross

            Well, you better tell that to Barack Obama because according to a new book Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama he “considered being gay”.

          • Parodyx

            SNORT
            Yeah, I REALLY think there is some subpar journalism going on there.

          • kbmiller

            Goes along with your subpar thinking.

          • Parodyx

            Explain what is subpar…if you can.

          • celtic cross

            Just because journalism reports what you don’t want to know doesn’t make it subpar, Parodick.

          • Parodyx

            Name calling gets you removed here. Reported. Try presenting non-junk journalism next time.

          • celtic cross

            IDC

          • golding4

            Who says he’s not! he made a few mistakes like calling his wife Michael and ((Michael)) can prove to be a man more then it can prove to be a woman…it’s all in the hidden obama papers, I am sure the daughters have other parents somewhere…it will all come out in the trash…..

          • grandmary42

            I don’t agree. People have likes and dislikes and choose but if something they like is not good for them then they should try to avoid it. A homosexual life is very difficult.

          • Parodyx

            If a person lives a monogamous relationship, whether homosexual or heterosexual, there is no reason to suggest it would be difficult or unhealthy. It is inhumane to suggest that a person should live a loveless life simply because they are homosexual.

          • kbmiller

            X pres. Barack Hussein OHOMO said, in his book that he almost decided to go the homo way when he was hanging with a homosexual mentor. So, he admitted that it was a choice. I can’t believe this has to be said over and over. Remember this, when a man or woman has a member of their own sex’s sex organ in front of them, they have a choice right then of what to do. You people disgust me.

          • Parodyx

            Crock of beans. Obama is a straight married man with children. Any suggestion otherwise is conspiracy theory wacko crapola.

          • kbmiller

            PARACOX, You can feed off a crock of $hit, I suggest you do a little research into Trinity United Church, Chicago. It was a hot bed of homosexual activity. The choir director and at least 2 of X Pres. Barack Hussein OHOMO’s teenage sex partners were murdered in a cover up to hide the fagot’s relationships as he was being groomed to run for Ill. senate. I talked to a Chi. police officer who read the report.

          • Parodyx

            Look at you frothing at the mouth. You can’t even call people by their proper names, you have to resort to petty insults.

          • kbmiller

            PARADICKS Stop with spreading LIES about things you know NOTHING about.

          • Parodyx

            What was a lie, o sensitive one?

          • kbmiller

            Did you forget your post an hour ago, o stupid one? You typed that OHOMO was straight. I gave you info to look and see that, that is a LIE. Like I posted earlier, in his own book, he wrote that he considered going into homo life style. Stop bothering me with your idiotic BS. See celtic cross below. he read what I did also.

          • Parodyx

            Stupid is not rejecting junk media. Stupid is embracing it, especially when our subject is married man with children. Post his direct quote, if you can locate it.

          • kbmiller

            I posted see the book, “Rising Star” noted below by celtic cross. Can you understand what is posted? Read the book.

          • Parodyx

            Look, garbage journalism is garbage journalism no matter how you want to slice it.

          • golding4

            over and over again I will tell you that Satan is smarter then you and he will tempt you to go that way because he has done it two times before, during Noah’s time and God killed all of them except nine people and during Abraham’s time He destroyed two cities because of it with all of them dead….it is true, you don’t choose homosexuality, Satan chooses it for you because you weren’t well defended with all the armor of God…..All mankind is tempted in the same like manor, but most of us knew how to say “no” to Satan because our hopes are in Jesus Christ that gives us protection against satan. Now you know the rest of the story…….

          • Parodyx

            There is no Satan.

          • There is no gene that makes you homosexual. Neeeeed to be making that popping sound.

          • Parodyx

            They don’t know what makes you homosexual, but whatever it is, there’s nothing that can be done about it.

          • It is a choice. Nothing else and you cannot prove otherwise.

          • Parodyx

            I don’t need to. This is settled science. You lose.

          • glenbo

            >>”There is no gene that makes you homosexual.”<<

            Actually, there is a genetic component in male homosexuals.

            Xq28
            Chromosome 8

            Please do some research before coming to incorrect conclusions.

          • glenbo

            >>”More and more people are choosing homosexuality for a new kick, because they are hurt by rejection”<>”lost people jumped into it with a splash.”<<
            These are the stupidest statements I have heard about homosexuality. Not only do you not know a single gay person, you have absolutely NO understanding of hoe human sexual attractions work.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Really? Then you’re lying to yourself as well as others.

          • golding4

            Yes we do…..I had a family member that turned from his wife and four children and started claiming he was born that way, Satan really got to him, He lost his family but he did repent of the satan tempted sin and is now dating a good looking woman.

          • glenbo

            >>”It is a choose of your attractions even. I could have walked out with the others but I choice not too!”<<
            So you can choose to be attracted to someone of your matching gender and then have gay sex with that person??

          • golding4

            And God said; It will be like the days of Noah’s days….in the end times……He also said no man knows the day or hour of His coming for the church….but….He did say that when you see the fig tree spouting, that generation will not all be gone until all is accomplished, that was almost seventy years ago when Israel became a nation in their home land, the fig tree spouted in May of 1948, If Christ was not my savior, I would be very worried in these end times that has on it’s horizon of time the NEW WORLD ORDER, and THE ATTACK ON ISRAEL where 1/3 of them are killed…..both are prophesies in the bible that take place during the greatest tribulation this would will ever know……when you know that the church is gone, you have had it…….

          • sandraleesmith46

            GET HELP, clearly you NEED it; since you seem to be one of the afflicted, unless it’s your conscious choice to live in rebellion against your Creator.

          • kerry88

            These people made a decision to be as they are. They can change their mind. There is NOTHING in the genetic structure, physiology, nor psychology that makes a person homosexual. That has been proven, many years ago. The decision to be homosexual is just that, a decision, which can be changed.

          • glenbo

            >>” These people made a decision to be as they are.”<<

            Are you saying that sexual attractions can be chosen by
            anyone? In other words, can anyone choose to be attracted to someone of their same gender?

          • golding4

            Only after Satan has tempted them…….

          • glenbo

            Why should I believe satan exists?

          • kerry88

            Yes. It is not part of their DNA as has been supposed, nor is it a predisposed condition. It is, instead, a decision the individual made. The human mind is more than capable of making such decisions seem to be natural, without any other course of action to be possible. It has been proven, however, by medical, and psychiatric research, to be a choice made, voluntarily. All of the DNA research to find the “gay” gene proved to be a dead end. Nothing was found to support this, even though considerable time and money was spend to try to find this “gene” to support the “gay” movement. The Medical and Psychiatric world says, it is not true, there is no “gay” gene. So, on that note, where have you been, that you are not aware of this, or do you prefer to play ostrich and cling to a belief that has no medical, nor psychiatric support?

          • glenbo

            >>” Yes. It is… a decision the individual made.”<>” All of the DNA research to find the “gay” gene proved to be a dead end. Nothing was found to support this”<>” to support the “gay” movement”<<

            You come off as a bigot with the scare quotes.

          • golding4

            Glenbo………..God sees deep into your ugly filled heart…..even little boys under five that played dolls with the girls still can grow up to be MEN and marry and become fathers, and little girls that are called Tomboys turn out to be wonderful women….You are forgetting that God has someone that thought he was greater then God and we call him Satan….and he temps any and all to be homosexual, because he wants them to sin against God’s Glory and creation…..but the majority of us know how to fend off Satan’s darts of any idea’s of doing a homosexual act, Satan wants you to sin and God wants you to run from it…Satan did a real good job of it twice, the first time, God destroyed all mankind except for nine people because of it…the second time, God destroyed two city’s because of it…It is not natural for man to lust after man or women after women, that’s not the way God created Mankind, it took Satan to tempt individuals then and now also….and you gave in to Satan’s temptations and now are so deep in that you believe you are born that way…and the truth is; God has turned you over to a reprobate mind and you can’t know God in that condition, May God have mercy on all those who are tempted and lead them away from that terrible sin that puts you on the road to hell. Any Homosexual can repent of that sin and become a child of the King, but Satan will be your foe to your freedom from homosexuality all the way, you can ask God for help if you are serious in your repentance. and God says; in those last days, it will be like those two cities again….repent now before you are out of time….

          • glenbo

            >>” God sees deep into your ugly filled heart”<<

            Ugly???

            Why are you calling me ugly? You have never met me, yet you jump to such a deplorable judgement?

            My, how quickly you dismiss your fellow man.

            I have no reason to believe in a god that condones slavery and murders children and teaches people like you to reject innocent people, or to believe in a devil who is blamed/scapegoated/used as an excuse for God’s abysmal failings.

            But thanks for trying!

          • It is our business when they do disgusting acts in public, recruit people to their perversion,force their perverted beliefs onto others, and force people to violate their God-given right of freedom of religion. We need to get this country back to God as our Christian founders did. Time for God to cleanse this country.

          • glenbo

            >>”It is our business when they do disgusting acts in public”<>”recruit people to their perversion”<>”force their perverted beliefs onto others”,<>”and force people to violate their God-given right of freedom of religion.”<<
            Prove ANYONE has been "forced" to do this.
            Name just one person who has actually been "forced" to do as you claim. Just one.

          • John O

            glenbo;
            if u believe that, why do the homos and transgender try to use the law to force their lifestyle on the rest of us. on the other hand, if I was in the prison system I would tell then whatever they wanted to hear to transfer me to a womens prison

          • glenbo

            >>”try to use the law to force their lifestyle on the rest of us.”<<
            Please explain what "forcing their lifestyle" means and please provide any prove this has been done and how.

          • John O

            if u watch the news, the most flagrant example I can think of is putting a couple out of business for refusing to bake a cake. the mass shooting in Fl is a prime example why perverts were not allowed in the army in my time. one nation under God. your argument is with God, not me. strange u use a supposedly Christian web site to promote what God calls an abomination. Romans 1. personal sin becomes national sin when the government goes against Gods law. do u believe rape is a choice?

          • glenbo

            >>”the most flagrant example I can think of is putting a couple out of business for refusing to bake a cake.”<>promote what God calls an abomination.”<<
            Why is being gay an "abomination?"

          • John O

            Leviticus 20:13 (NASB)

            13
            ‘If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

            just 1 of many scriptures on the subject. I heard all the stuff that the law was done and my sin was against the law. when I hit bottom and called on Jesus, u can only obey the law by the power of the indwelling spirit. if u don’t want to surrender, that is between u and Jesus. uour choice . those bakers can refuse to bake a cake for me because there is no special law. my generation was equal rights. commies got the liberals to itemize special interest groups to get rid of God, Who is the Father of equal rights.. all sin is against God, including false teachers who say its all paid for. Jesus said pick up your cross.

          • glenbo

            >>”Leviticus 20:13″<<
            You didn't answer my question.
            Perhaps I should rephrase it:
            Why is homosexuality not approved by God?

          • John O

            I accept the bible as Gods Word. God is immutable and I have no idea what He is up to. bigger question is why would God put His only Son on the cross to pay for our sins.

          • glenbo

            >>”I accept the bible as Gods Word.”<<
            So you don't know.
            Thanks for being honest.

        • kerry88

          Grace, I agree with you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you so much. Current secular Western mind understands evils and sins only in the terms of racism and slavery and no other. Racism and slavery – nothing else is wrong to them in this world, although those are the exactly what’s happening by pushing homosexuality in the entire world by bending of the truth and oppressing the free clear conscience.

            This is the only way to let the Westerners know homosexuality and transgendersim as a sin. Please understand. I love the Christian West from all my heart, trust me. I want the white Christian people’s descendants become truly blessed and safe and happy. The Gospel of Jesus Christ alone brings salvation to humanity, and following the Lord’s way is the only way to happiness for all.

          • Dianne

            Grace you said ” I want the white Christian people’s descendants become truly blessed and safe and happy.”
            I hope and pray that you realize that their are millions of Westerners
            (Americans) that are non-white who identify as Christian and love the Lord Jesus with all of their hearts. Are your feelings that same for them too or are you showing partially to one race in the Western Hemisphere?
            God’s Love is or all people of every race and every nation and your should be too if you are truly a Christian. Acts 17:26

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes. I love everyone the same and evangelize everyone whom I encounter the same. I can’t love someone over another, but I only meet white Western people here in this news site. Not even any Russians.

          • Dianne

            Grace, never assume that the people that you are in a discussion with online are White people. You cannot possibly know that for sure unless you see their picture next to their name. You have been in discussions with me and I am not White. Please try to see people as God does without partially. Please read Romans 2:11 and Acts 10:34 Ask the Holy Spirit to help you see everyone as part of the human race. Then you will not say things that make you look as though you are favoring one race over another. Acts 17:26

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you, but I know – except for the genuine Christians – they are Western white liberals or their faithful mimickers. They talk exactly the same, bashing the Holy Bible and the Christian English colonists who created the USA. They even read exactly the same junks. What are you, may I ask? I missed the part you said you are not white. The Jews and some Latinos and some Middle Easterners look white to me. I’m a yellow – a Mongoloid.

            Scholars said American Natives are Mongoloids, too. Yeah, I look like the Eskimos; I’m sure we share closer ancestry. In the future, China may claim the US territories by saying that American Natives are Chinese. ^ ^ Can’t stop laughing about it. Yes, humans are the same, but races and regions have unmistakable tendencies, though, like the sons and daughters of the same couple. There is nothing wrong to talk about it. Titus 1.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I am tri-racial
            (Black, White and Asian) although in Christ Jesus that does not matter according to Acts 17:26 Some Latinos look more Caucasian, but most of them are brown in complexion. Latinos are also racially mixed with Caucasian, Indigenous Indian and African ancestry.
            Remember that we are NOT fighting against flesh and blood Ephesians 6:10-18. The devil is a liar and is holding these people captive to do his will. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath BLINDED the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
            Grace I will respond to you again in a few hours because I am going to church. Take care and God Bless you. Remember that Christ wants his people to NOT be conformed to this world but TRANSFORMED by the renewing of our minds… Romans 12:2

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, Amen. Have a blessed worship time. The Lord is with you.

          • Florenca Mcdowell

            Diane, if you looked at Grace’s name I would think you might guess that Grace may not be white, but she is a Christian. As a Christian?, you should never bring in race. Think about it.

          • Dianne

            Hello Florence, based on your post I take it that you have not followed my discussion with Grace on race. If you had correctly followed you would understand the context in which our discussion was based on. I am not in anyway trying to be in biblical in what I have shared with her. You have judged me without reading this in context.
            Also please read Acts 17:26 and you will see that my heart is the heart of the Lord regarding all people on the earth. Blessings

        • I also agree with you and I am a veteran of the good fight against these perversions.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you. Immorality in the society harms everyone especially the defenseless ones; we must battle for the truth and freedom as our forefathers did. Samurai? Read on the samurais who encountered the Holy Bible and Christianity in Japan’s history. It’s far more wonderous than mankind encountering some aliens from the outer space. It’s so sad to see the Western Christendom upholding Sodomy now. It’s as unthinkable as the ancient Israel betraying her glorious Lord and running after filthy idols.

          • True and well said. If this country would have followed God and went by the Bible, as our Christian founders wanted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes. Probably the End is very near. We Christians will do what we can together, praying, evangelizing, and countering the evil culture to protect the innocent and defenseless. Thank you for having served in the military. American soldiers protected the world, not just their homeland.

          • Thanks for your post. Yes, we must continue fighting the good fight. I’ve been fighting these trolls in the foulest trenches for 8 years now. Are you from Korea? I retired here with my wife, so you know the throne of satan to the north of us. Keep up the good fight.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you again. Yes, but my background is multiple and I’m a mixture 😛 It’s so sad to see what’s happening in the USA, though I thank God He spared us from Hillary Clinton. Whatever Christian Americans go through, we all go through together. God reigns and He is with His people. The Lord bless you, sir.

          • Same to you.

      • sandraleesmith46

        Yes; they are LEARNED behavioral disorders, and very often the ones teaching them aren’t even aware they’re doing so; but equally often, it’s done by an homosexual gratifying him/herself at the expense of a young child!

        • glenbo

          >>”Yes; they are LEARNED behavioral disorders,”<<
          You obviously don't know a single gay person.
          You "knowledge" of sexuality is ridiculous, foolish and infantile. You have no business commenting in any authoritative manner, as you have no sound knowledge of sexuality.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Actually, I do, quite a few. As for my knowledge of sexuality, it’s probably broader than yours.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Sources? Links? Bona fides?

          • glenbo

            >>”Actually, I do, quite a few.”<>”As for my knowledge of sexuality, it’s probably broader than yours.”<<
            Oh do tell. And where do you get your "broader than mine" knowledge from?

          • sandraleesmith46

            That’s YOUR problem; you don’t like the TRUTH!

          • glenbo

            For a so-called “Christian,” you contain a lot of hatred.

          • sandraleesmith46

            How would you know? You don’t even know how to identify what is or what isn’t “hate”; only that which YOU DON’T LIKE!

          • glenbo

            >>”How would you know? You don’t even know how to identify what is or what isn’t “hate”;”<<
            You are right. My apologies. After reading your post history and examining many of your past posts, I clearly see your Christian love for all life gleaming, and I clearly see how badly misjudged you.
            No, Sandra, you are correct…you have no hate in your heart. I was badly mistaken.
            Please accept my apologies.

          • golding4

            WOW…….this was hard to believe!

          • golding4

            Righteous hatred toward the sin, not the person. and if you are married with two children, I still think you are one of them. are you going to teach your children to be homosexual too!

          • glenbo

            >>”I still think you are one of them. are you going to teach your children to be homosexual too!”<<
            This comment has been flagged as offensive.

          • golding4

            To have a little knowledge, does not mean you have wisdom, you have none……

          • glenbo

            Thank you.

      • kerry88

        Yes, indeed, it is a choice a person makes to identify as being a sex they were not born as. The genes a person inherits are just that, the genetic material that makes them what they are born as. This thing of a boy deciding he should actually be a girl is a choice he makes. People get confused, people decide to agree with alternate points of view, people give in to what is impressed upon them by people trying to mislead them. A boy, born as a boy, is just that, a boy. The same holds true for girls. Trying to be what you are not, sexually, is very bad thinking, and this nonsense needs to stop. Kids have enough issues with growing up to not have to have that added to the issues they face.

        • glenbo

          >>” Yes, indeed, it is a choice a person makes to
          identify as being a sex they were not born as.”<<

          Where do you get your information on gender dysphoria from?

          • kerry88

            Observation of the natural world, AND, the reports made from medical and psychiatric investigations. No “gay” gene was ever found, and that noise faded off into oblivion. Now it is just a lot of hot noise and trouble making to get their way. Does that sound like a temper tantrum to you????

          • glenbo

            >>”the reports made from medical and psychiatric investigations”<<
            You get your information on gender dysphoria from "medical and psychiatric investigations?"
            Can you please post a link to these, or at least name them so I can examine them?

          • kerry88

            Use Google, that should suffice. You might also look at reports from the New England Journal of Medicine.

          • glenbo

            >>”Use Google, that should suffice.”<<
            It's okay to admit that you have no sufficient reliable peer-reviewed legitimate scientific resources to back up your claims.

            I'm guessing the AFA and the FRC are your "resources."

      • Natalie

        There is no such thing as a ‘transgender’ child. There is however an adult in that child’s life willing to abuse and confuse the child and ruin their life in order to push their own imaginary agenda or get their fifteen minutes of fame at that poor child’s expense. Children ‘identify’ as children, or dinosaurs, forcing them into sexuality long before they’re prepared for it to groom them to live your ‘lifestyle’ while being ‘annoyed’ at their parents for trying to protect them from someone who has no right to push their ‘activism’ on them makes you what you are, a sick, manipulative pervert sneaking into someone else’s child’s life through the school system to tell them that crosses and rosary beads are bad, but homosexuality is wonderful and everyone should do it.

        • glenbo

          >>”There is no such thing as a ‘transgender’ child.”<<
          You obviously have never met a transgendered person.
          I know several including a close relative.
          Your knowledge of gender dysphoria is horribly corrupt and abysmally ignorant.
          You will never get honest scientific facts from religion based sources with hateful anti-LGBT bigoted agendas.
          If you refuse to properly educate yourself from reliable non-biased non-religious scientific sources, you have no business speaking in an authoritative manner on a subject you are blissfully ignorant of and horribly misinformed on. To do so only further harms people who are underserving of this intended hateful harm.
          It's small-minded people like you spreading falsehoods and perpetuating hate is what drives so many LGBT children to suicide.
          Does that somehow warm your "Christian" heart?

          • Natalie

            You will never get honest, scientific fact from something that has no scientific basis whatsoever, something based entirely on delusion, mental illness and nonsense liberal propaganda. Religion has nothing to do with it, except your apparently zealous devotion to eradicating Christianity whenever you find it in favor of forcing your deviant delusions on the children of others. Who end up confused, alone and ruined by your ‘protection’ when you’ve finished using them to promote your ‘lifestyle’ and move on to your next victim. If anything drives children to suicide it’s selfish, sick adults who care nothing for them forcing them into insanity for their own aims. Get over your self righteous piousness, it doesn’t fool anyone.

          • glenbo

            >>”If anything drives children to suicide it’s selfish, sick adults who care nothing for them forcing them into insanity for their own aims. “<<
            YES!!!
            You are precisely correct.
            THANK YOU!!!
            This is EXACTLY what religion does to those poor kids!
            Well said, Natalie!
            Thanks again.

        • glenbo

          Your understanding of transgenders is absurd.

          • Natalie

            Your belief that a man in a dress is a woman and has a ‘right’ to force those around him to participate in his delusion is beyond absurd. It’s laughably ridiculous.

          • glenbo

            >>”Your belief that a man in a dress is a woman and has a ‘right’ to force those around him to participate in his delusion is beyond absurd. “<<
            Please explain how that works…being "forced to participate" in another's delusion.
            Doesn't religion already do that? And has been doing so for centuries?

          • Natalie

            When was the las time you were forced into a church and made to pray?
            But you want to legally compel me and my children to recognize a man in a dress as a woman, and you want to legally compel me to share a bathroom with him. Seriously are you being this dense and oblivious on purpose? Or is it the liberal indoctrination that’s made you incapable of seeing reality?
            Billions of people believe in a religion of one kind or another and it’s done more good for humanity than any other single thing. A handful of confused, mentally ill people going against nature, common sense and reality and spending all their time, effort and money to be something their not who want to force others to celebrate their poor, damaging life choices, who’ve been championed by liberal zealots with an agenda of their own have helped no one, not even themselves. You can’t win this argument, because you don’t have one, just a lot of ridiculous, make believe nonsense based entirely on liberals desperate need to control the thoughts and actions of everyone else. Why do you think they’ve been using you to so aggressively attack Christianity? Because Christians will bow to no one but God. Liberals want everyone to bow to them, and believe their word should be law. Because they are so smug, so arrogant, so full of their own self importance, they think they know better than Him. They think they know better than everyone, when in reality they can’t see past their own sneering upturned noses, and know nothing of substance at all.

          • glenbo

            >>” you want to legally compel me to share a bathroom
            with him.”<>” A handful of confused, mentally ill people going
            against nature”<>” You can’t win this argument, because you don’t
            have one, just a lot of ridiculous, make believe nonsense based entirely on liberals desperate need to control the thoughts and actions of everyone else.”<
            >” Why do you think they’ve been using you to so
            aggressively attack Christianity?”<<

            Thanks for this. I will cut off all ties with my desperate
            liberal zealot friends and family.

            Thanks again.

            You are so wise!

          • Natalie

            I notice you didn’t address anything I said with any actual fact or reality. Just more empty liberal smugness and silly nonsense. And I have my answer. You are just being that dense and oblivious on purpose. Good luck to you and your unfortunate niece and your unfortunate friend.
            I hope they wake up to reality before they waste to much of their life desperately trying to be something they’re not. Because when all this blows over, and it will, silly fads always do, especially when they are based on something this fundamentally wrong, they will be left with nothing, nothing but a lot of wasted time and effort for something that can never really be.

      • paulrod

        Most emphatically, YES! (unless a parent chooses a young, prepubescent child’s identity, as has already happened). The literature has already published reports on the incidence of “buyer’s remorse”, depression, attempted suicides, and other psychological damage due specifically to trans-gender procedures. In short, it’s easier to change one’s mind than to change one’s body. Considerably less painful and permanent, too.

        • glenbo

          How does an intersex child determine which gender he or she truly is? After all, you can’t be both.

          • paulrod

            Has it occurred to you that any individual, and most certainly a child, can have a change of mind at a later date? A kid may want to become the opposite sex, while relatively young, and then go through psychological, (and physiological) hell as an adult.

          • glenbo

            >>”any individual, and most certainly a child, can have a change of mind at a later date?”<<
            Paulrod…this make you bisexual.

          • paulrod

            Can’t read either, huh?

          • paulrod

            Usually, most people look into their underpants. Try it some time.

          • glenbo

            >>”Usually, most people look into their underpants.”<<
            So you don't know what an intersex child is? You should refrain from commenting on human sexuality if you are ignorant of its complications.

      • Colorado_Patriot60

        Parents do that to the child and they should go to jail for child endanger. What a stupid post!!

      • Yes, we are. Need to study more.

        • glenbo

          >>”Yes, we are.”<<
          Are you able to "choose" to have sex with someone of your matching gender?

    • Dianne

      Grace are you referring to Black Americans as “colored people”? That derogatory label went out in the 60’s. Please STOP using that terminology.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        No, I mean by “colored” all Non-whites – black, brown, red, yellow, etc., including me, a yellow. I wasn’t in the USA in the 1960’s. Any language that uses Chinese chapacters would describe the natives and locals as “colored” or “yellow.” I heard the blacks use even n-words and get away. I want to use the word “colored” because I’m colored. “Non-whites” sound more racist to me. Is there any words to describe all Non-whites other than “Non-white”?

        • Dianne

          Grace, as Christians we can say “other ethnicities” and that would eliminate discriminatory language as we dialogue with others. Remember that WE ARE ALL DESCENDANTS from the three sons of Noah.
          Genesis 9:19 (KJV)These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, I know. We are all distant brothers and sisters. Discriminatory language? How? What are the right “ethnicities” words for describing the whites and Non-whites? Who cares how the moderners feel. They insult my religion and they should learn to respect other people’s religion first.

            Objectively speaking, we need more and more and more laws to protect each other because the secular Wsterners blaspheme on purpose. If the term “colored” is problematic, most of moderners’ vocabs are. I don’t want to appease the moderners; it looks stupid to appease the blasphemers. Ban their cussing words first. I got your point, but talk to someone else here as well, Dianne.

          • Dianne

            Grace, if you want to be a TRUE DISCIPLE OF CHRIST, please remain teachable and refrain from imitating any of the ways of the heathens, then great will be your reward in heaven.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yeah, but I disagree with you. You are not my pastor. If you are true disciple of Christ, evangelize the non-believers here. I do not want to use politically correct vocabs because they are unpractical hypocrisies.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I am a leader in the Church ( an ordained minister) and even if I were not it is regrettable to hear that you would not accept my godly counsel to humble yourself and learn from other Christians who are disciples of Christ and put HIM on and NOT MAKE PROVISIONS for the flesh. You are still a respecter of persons which is as I showed you in scripture is NOT of God. May the Holy Spirit show you your error and turn your heart into the depths of God that your fruit in Him may come forth to HIS PRAISE AND GLORY.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I hope the worship service is over now. You should not have gotten ordained as a woman by violating the Holy Scripture. 1 Timothy chapter 2. Female ordination brought false doctrines, corrupted the churches and the society, brought sexual confusions, feminized men, and promoted abortion and homosexuality. One disobedience brought another, deadlier one. You are false foundationally, no matter how many Scripture verses you quote. I knew you had some wrong spirit. Satan quoted the Holy Scripture, too. Your falsehood is revealed in your own writing. Repent of your rebellion against God and cancel out the Anti-Scriptual ordination. Good-bye.

          • Dianne

            Grace, Worship service was awesome. You are so wrong about women’s roles in the church. You are correct in saying that there are those who follow worldly ways and introduce them into the Body of Christ. However my church follows Holy Scripture in it’s proper context, doing all things in decency and in order. Your narrow minded Pharisee mindset has caused more hatred and harm to the Body of Christ than words could express. As I noted before that you DO NOT have a teachable spirit I will no longer waste my time with you. God does not see as man sees, man looks on the outward appearance, but God judges the heart.
            Now I challenge you to look that up. Also do you know the various positions of being ordained in the 5 fold ministries? There is NOT EVEN one scripture FORBIDDING women from being ordained. You will never find one. But there are those who twist Paul’s words to restrict women from ministering in the churches for which there are many positions.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Holy Bible prohibits female ordination. Not-holding authority over man means no pastroal authority reserved for woman in church. Both your denomination and you are disobeying God on this issue, choosing humanism over plain teachings of the Word of God, which even the Catholics did not misunderstand. Practically, female “ministers” corrupt the churches. It’s like the West’s Sodomic inclinations. Sounds neutral, but with destructive consequences one after another. Reality proves its falsehood. The Holy Spirit never leads anyone to disobey the Word of God. John 13-17. Your presence in church makes men( if there are any) disobey God, too.

          • Dianne

            Grace, it is quite apparent that you do not know how to rightly divide the word of truth. You sent me scriptures that are have no chapter or verse. John 13-17? There are NO SCRIPTURES FORBIDDING woman to be ordained, NONE. Also once again you have ASSUMED incorrectly that I am a pastor. If you knew the scriptures correctly you would have also known that there are many positions that you can be ordained. I and other women in my church are submitted to church authority and our husbands and we are welcome to serve as the Lord has anointed us to serve. Your brash and unscrupulous doctrine of men will NEVER hinder the work of the HOLY SPIRIT in the Body of Christ. If you knew the Holy Spirit and walked in the spirit you would understand these things instead of coming across with a crass and haughty spirit.
            Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither MALE nor FEMALE: for YE ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS.
            And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs of the promise.

            Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.

            Romans 3:4 God forbid : yea, let God be true, but ever man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.

            2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

            Grace, do you know about the five fold ministries and what their function is in the Body of Christ? I asked you that before and you did not answer that question.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are living in a disobedience to God, namely female ordination. Stop picking and choosing from the Holy Bible. Believe all of it.

          • Dianne

            Grace, for the THIRD TIME NOW I am asking for you to prove by scripture that God forbids ordaination of women in the church. Chapters and verses please. Also what does scripture say about the 5 fold ministries and their purpose? Who is Deborah, and what were her titles? What purpose did she serve Israel for 40 years?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I gave you already; I Timothy chapter 2. Find the verses by reading the entire chapter. The Holy Bible prohibits woman from having authority over man, which means ordination of woman is unthinkable as congregation always includes grown men. Not every ministry involves ordination; female ordination is crossing the line on power-hungry women’s part which even angels did not. Jude 1. Biblical examples are only males. Deborah was a prophetess and a judge, not a priest. Pastor is equivalent to priest in the OT. She never led a worship service or gave benediction; she could not.

          • Dianne

            Grace, once again you have based your interpretation of scriptures on a misogynistic and erroneous twisting of scripture. That is why I asked you for specific scriptures forbidding ordaination of women. I also asked you for the purposes of the five fold ministries that you have yet to answer. I’ll help you out by a hint. Prophet is listed second in the list. Usurp authority means to illegally or forcibly take authority over others. Ordaination is a far cry from USURPING. Then please EXPLAIN AWAY Acts 18:26 and Galatians 3:28-29 I am praying that you will research the scriptures thoroughly for yourself instead of regurgitating what has been erroneously misinterpreted for centuries. Also the fact that you mentioned the Catholic Church as one of your points of argument shows you to be a hypocrite when you have vehemently decried against Homosexual/ pedophilia of which the Catholic Church is chief among perpetrators.

  • Michael C

    I appreciate the fact that this article isn’t as one-sided as many others that I’ve read. It seems many other outlets are simply allowing Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel control how this story is presented. I’m glad that both arguments are present in this article.

    Despite Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel’s complaints, it doesn’t appear that this teacher has actually done anything wrong (besides being a lesbian).

    Is this how Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel operate? Are they going to attempt to smear and discredit every gay person out of having a job? Are they planning on attacking every Joe Schmoe who happens to be gay? So Christian.

    • Strawman in play….it is about the crucifixes the child was told not to wear in her class.

      • Michael C

        Well, no.

        As this article clearly states, the school prohibits rosary beads because they’re often use as signs of gang affiliation. This is not the policy of this Christian teacher, it’s the policy of the school that employs her (as well as being the policy of schools across the nation).

        Is this a good policy? I don’t know. Is it constitutional? I don’t know.

        I do know that this teacher has nothing to do with this policy. If it’s a bad policy, it’s not her fault. It’s the fault of her employers.

        • It is about crucifixes and exposing students to a pro LGBT atmosphere.

          From the article…..

          “Attorneys with Liberty Counsel wrote
          to Hillsborough County Superintendent Jeff Eakins on April 19 to
          express concern about Riverview High School teacher Lora Jane Reidas,
          who identifies as a lesbian. They advised that they had received reports
          that three children in Reidas’ classroom had been prohibited from
          wearing crucifixes because they could be considered to be “gang symbols”
          and “disrespectful.”

          It provided a photograph of one of the crucifix pendants.

          Meanwhile, according to additional photographs
          provided to the organization by parents, Reidas has decorated her
          classroom with various homosexual advocacy material, including buttons
          on her desk that read “I Love My LGBT Students” and “Safe Schools for
          All” in promotion of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network
          (GLSEN).

          A poster is also displayed on the wall advising that her
          classroom is “safe and inclusive” for “lesbian, gay, bisexual and
          transgender students and their allies,” and the word “ally”—also posted
          to the wall—is spelled out in large cut-out letters and covered with
          handwritten sayings in support of the homosexual lifestyle.

          “Moreover, at the beginning of the semester, Ms. Riedas
          placed LGBT rainbow stickers on students’ classroom folders without
          their consent, which were there one day when the students arrived,” the
          letter from Liberty Counsel alleged. “One of our clients reports that
          after she removed the LGBT sticker, Ms. Riedas’ behavior toward her
          changed markedly for the worse.”

          At the time of the correspondence, it was also believed that
          Reidas planned on promoting the GLSEN’s “Day of Silence” and was
          apparently tweeting about homosexual advocacy issues during class time.”

          • Michael C

            Thank you for copying and pasting much the article I just read.

            Notice that the picture provided of the pendant is just the cross itself? It appears to have been removed from the rosary beads.

            Cross necklaces are not prohibited in schools (just as it says in this article). Rosary beads are. This Christian teacher did not forbid cross necklaces in her classroom. That didn’t happen. If you think it did, you’re very gullible.

            If this Christian teacher enforced the school-wide policy prohibiting rosary beads, you’re just going to have to take that issue up with the school administrators. This Christian teacher was just doing her job. She was just doing what every other teacher does in schools across the country.

            As horrible a crime as you may believe it to be, simply being a lesbian and expressing her support for her lgbt students isn’t actually an actionable offense. Sorry.

          • Liberty Counsel took the case. If they thought is was not actionable, they would not waste their time.

            The teacher is wrong.

          • Michael C

            Liberty Counsel took the case. If they thought is was not actionable, they would not waste their time.

            Kim Davis. Roy Moore.

            The teacher is wrong.

            How so? Because she (like all of the other teachers) enforced a school-wide policy on rosaries? If that’s the case, the school is wrong, not the teacher.

            This woman is a nobody. She’s a school teacher at a suburban Florida high school and she’s done nothing wrong. If she had done something wrong, a student or their parent should’ve taken the matter to the school administrators and it would’ve been handled. Instead, Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel uses their full power to try to destroy this woman by bringing down national ire upon her.

            This woman is a nobody. And she’s done nothing wrong. It seems to me that Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel are attempting to send a message. No gay people are safe. They’ll come after any one of us because they don’t believe we should have any place in this society.

            And it’s frightening.

          • Jason Todd

            Kim Davis. Roy Moore.

            Yes. Two people who were vilified for not towing the LGBTQW line. The former still has her job, the latter railroaded out of his. Do you have a point?

          • Michael C

            Do you have a point?

            Yes. I apologize. I thought my point was clear. Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel have a history of taking cases even when they’re 100% in the wrong (Kim Davis, Roy Moore).

          • Jason Todd

            But they were not in the wrong. They had every right to do what they did based on the United States Constitution.

            I know, I know. You think this country is run by judges (that are not Christian conservative). If you did not turn the channel whenever Schoolhouse Rock came on you may have actually learned something.

          • Chris

            Well said.

          • Sharon_at_home

            The other article I read – the first one about this teacher – it said that it was crosses, not rosaries that she told them not to wear. it had nothing to do with the rosary beads. Crosses are often worn by other faiths, but to my knowledge, only the Catholics use rosary beads as well.
            I don’t think I’m being gullible because I read about it in another article on this or another Christian site.

          • Michael C

            I don’t think I’m being gullible because I read about it in another article on this or another Christian site.

            I would recommend sometimes branching out from just reading Christian news sources. This can often help bring a broader perspective to your understanding of certain situations.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I don’t just read Christian news sources but these articles are not always in them.
            You shouldn’t judge me as being gullible anyway. You don’t know me except on the Christian comment boards. From one comment you decide I’m gullible? How kind.

            You can literally find anything you want (to agree with your view) on the Internet.

            The fact that it was crosses is a whole different ballgame than rosaries since they specifically have been used by gangs. I would not have a rosary because I am in a religion that doesn’t use them.
            Crosses are most often kept under tops too, and I understand the rosaries – for Catholics – is not supposed to be a necklace. Since the teacher said that they had to take them off, it was more likely to be a cross, than a rosary. I guess if they do wear them as a necklace, that would be a sign of the gangs? I don’t know.

          • Michael C

            From one comment you decide I’m gullible? How kind.

            If you follow the comment thread, you’ll see that I wasn’t even talking to you.

            That being said, it would be gullible to blindly trust one single source for your information (the Liberty Counsel) despite credible contradicting information.

            This suburban Florida school does not prohibit cross necklaces. There’s no reason to believe that this Christian teacher banned crosses in her classroom.

          • Sharon_at_home

            It said it was from you to me.
            You wrote: I would recommend sometimes branching out from just reading Christian
            news sources. This can often help bring a broader perspective to your
            understanding of certain situations.
            Liberty Counsel was the one suing so it makes sense that it is in the article. They were the ones that made the complaint for the students that were told to remove her cross.

            I found lots of sites that were about this teacher but they all talked about Liberty Counsel. So all the media that printed articles about this teacher without Liberty Council mentioned are the ones that tell the truth! Learn something new every time a non believer posts on this comment board.

            By the way, every article listed from a google search showed that the teacher banned the crosses from her math room. Whether it was a Christian site or not a Christian site, they all said the same thing.
            See, I do use other resources; google is my friend!

          • Michael C

            By the way, every article listed from a google search showed that the teacher banned the crosses from her math room. Whether it was a Christian site or not a Christian site, they all said the same thing.

            No. You are wrong. Not even this very article claims that cross necklaces were banned in the classroom.

            The Christian teacher is even quoted in this article; “I’m a Christian myself. I would never do that because I would be hurt if someone would tell me not to wear my cross,”

            The district policy applies to rosaries. Not all cross necklaces.

            It’s gullible to blindly believe what Mat Staver and the Liberty Counsel is telling you without even questioning it. It’s almost as if you don’t care about what really happened.

          • Sharon_at_home

            She banned them in her math classroom. I did not say it was banned in the whole school. I have read more than one article about this incident and there was one that said she took one of the necklaces off forcibly.
            It sounds like you are referring to this article like it is the only thing you will accept information from.
            If she were Christian of faith, she would never tell another Christian to remove the symbol of their faith. She was not being honest when she said she was Christian.
            The button said something like A Safe Place for All – but by telling the students to remove their crosses she was either saying it was not safe to be a Christian or that it would not be safe to others if a Christian was in the Safe Room with them. Only because she did it in front of the other students.
            As far as parents going to the Principal first, with the way Principals in the news have behaved in similar situations, I expect they went above their heads to ensure this would be acted on, not passed off by her Principal. Of course, there is the possibility that they were already not impressed by him/her by something else that had happened previous to this.

        • Lexical Cannibal

          Per such a policy being constitutional;

          Because wearing a crucifix is counted as religious expression, drafting and enforcing policies like this get super complicated super fast; any school admin trying to do so should pray for the days when all they had to do was ban solid red or blue. The judicial bar tends to be super high for stuff like this, and would essentially require the school to present the religious symbols as being directly and functionally tied to a clear, present, and specific group or danger in order to override the “reasonable” part of “reasonable accomodation.” Even then, any such policy would be tightly restricted to the affected schools and would be pretty much immediately challengable by anyone with evidence that this is no longer the case.

          Then again, this is Florida, and they more or less do as they please over there. So there’s that.

        • Jason Todd

          As this article clearly states, the school prohibits rosary beads because they’re often use as signs of gang affiliation.

          False.

          However, Reidas has denied any wrongdoing, stating that she only told one student at the beginning of the year not to wear rosary beads because they could be considered gang symbols as per district policy.

          No, it’s Reidas saying this, stating it is district policy. Really? And who has seen this policy, in writing, aside from Reidas allegedly? How do we know it actually exists? Should we take this woman’s word for it? Of course not:

          “I’m just annoyed that they’re using my students,” Reidas contended. “They’re manipulating them. They’re getting kids as teenagers to lie for their agenda.”

          All the proof you need not to.

    • Jason Todd

      Despite Mat Staver and Liberty Counsel’s complaints, it doesn’t appear that this teacher has actually done anything wrong (besides objecting to crucifixes, teaching homosexuality to high school kids and being a lesbian).

      Fixed it for you.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    When will the LBGT community stop culturally appropriating the Jewish/Christian rainbow symbol?

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Their rainbow colors are inaccurate. It is symbolic that rainbow reminds God’s goodness and sovereignty and suggests that the 2nd judgment is by fire instead of water. II Peter chapter 3.

      • RWH

        Sorry. Nobody owns the rainbow. Just because it was symbolic to the Jews doesn’t mean that it has to have the same symbolism for everyone else.

    • Johndoe

      Culturally appropriating? Too funny. The rainbow is simply a scientific phenomenon.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        So when Natives use feathers it’s just a scientific phenomenon and anyone can use it? You do know there’s this troubling thing called history and it proves that the rainbow has been used as a symbol for Judaism and Christianity for thousands of years before homosexuals decided to culturally appropriate it, don’t you?

        • Johndoe

          We’re not talking about feathers. It can be used as a symbol for whatever you want but rainbows belong to no one. They are simply scientific phenomena caused by light passing through water.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, wear a feather in a certain way and it IS cultural appropriation. The rainbow has been a Jewish/Christian symbol for thousands of years. The LGBT community has culturally appropriated it. They should stop stealing from other cultures and find something of their own.

          • Johndoe

            LOL! The rainbow belongs to no culture. It is only a phenomenon. Nobody has stolen anything. How ridiculous.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why do you think it can be a symbol for homosexuality but not for Judaism and Christianity, particularly when history says it IS a longstanding Jewish and Christian symbol?

          • Parodyx

            No one’s stopping Christians or Jews from using the rainbow symbol. Go for it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s like saying, “No one’s stopping First Nations people from using a headdress so I’ll just use one too”. No, it’s still cultural appropriation. Do you even know what that means?

          • Parodyx

            Yeah. But it’s not cultural. It’s a scientific phenomenon – as you’ve been told already.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            As is an eagle feather, and you’ve already had that explained to you, too. 🙂

          • Parodyx

            The eagle was your comparison, not mine, and that’s why I said it shouldn’t be compared to the rainbow.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Of course it was my example, and you still fail to grasp why it’s relevant.

          • Parodyx

            I think I just explained why it’s NOT relevant. At least in terms of the comparison you attempted to make. The rainbow is a scientific phenomenon and an Indian headdress is cultural. Therefore, bad comparison to use.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No you didn’t. You just copied what someone else did, and you failed to understand the ensuing rebuttal. Both eagle feathers and rainbows are part of nature. Both are cultural icons.

          • Parodyx

            You have no rebuttal. Anyone can use the rainbow as an icon without fear of “stealing” it from any particular culture. You cannot make the same statement about the eagle.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re just making statements without reason or logic. It’s wrong to culturally appropriate, whether it be eagle feathers from First Nations people, or the rainbow from Jews and Christians.

          • Parodyx

            And no one did that with the rainbow.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure they did. Speaking of symbols, why do you have a pedo symbol as your avatar?

          • Parodyx

            No they didn’t, and since when is a picture of two hot dogs a pedo symbol? Are you a troll?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, where have you been? Google FBI pedophile symbols.

          • Parodyx

            Not necessary. It’s a simple picture of two hot dogs. There is nothing pedo about it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You may not be aware of it, but there is. Same with pizza. Look at the FBI pedo code.

          • Parodyx

            I looked. There is nothing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You couldn’t have looked hard enough. It’s right there. Pizza and hot dogs, hot dogs denoting little boys.

          • Parodyx

            You are lying. And guess what. Sometimes a pizza is just a pizza.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Uh no. The FBI chart for pedophilia symbols is online and readily available for anyone to search. Hot dogs symbolize little boys. It’s what the WikiLeaks scandal regarding Podest and the Clinton Foundation was all about. Who goes to Somalia for an hour of “hot dogs”?

          • Parodyx

            You could very easily post a link then. Why don’t you? I played your little game and Googled FBI pedophilia symbols and saw hearts and spiral shapes. No pizza, no hot dogs.

            If you had any imagination at all you’d know that my avatar picture is a play on words regarding my name.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Can’t post links here. Try this without the spaces:

            http pizzagate DOT wiki SLASH Pedophile_codes

          • Parodyx

            Pizzagate is fake news.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Those are FBI references. Is the FBI fake news too?

          • Parodyx

            No they aren’t. Nothing on the FBI’s site says anything about pizza and hot dogs.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            /double eyeroll

          • Parodyx

            You can see for yourself.
            WikiLeaks dot org slash wiki slash FBI_pedophile_symbols

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Those are symbols, not code.

          • Parodyx

            Whatever they are, they are all the FBI has to say on the subject. Anything else is irrelevant. And my avatar is nothing more than an innocent play on words.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No it isn’t. I gave you a link that has a copy of the FBI document.

            Dude, I just realized who you are. Your past handle escapes me because you had so many, but you also went as pete j, james blue, etc. You play dumb so you can get people to interact with you. You keep getting banned, hence the name changes.

          • Parodyx

            That’s about the tenth thing you’ve said to me since this discussion started that makes no sense whatsoever. I’ve never talked to you before and have no desire to do so now.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Keep denying. I reported your profile for pedophilia and profanity.

          • Parodyx

            I hope that they laugh at you as hard as I did.

          • Johndoe

            Reading comprehension bad? I said it can be a symbol for whomever wants it to be. It belongs to no one.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure it does. It belongs to God. It’s His bow.

          • Johndoe

            Nope

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t get to determine what does and doesn’t belong to God. 🙂

  • Reason2012

    You will notice the same people that defend LGBT also defend_islam, which shows they’re not really lgbt activists but instead pro-islam activists using LGBT to attack Christian beliefs only.

    • Colin Rafferty

      Actually, we defend everyone’s right to live as they wish. If you want to practice your version of Christianity, go for it! If you want to practice some version of Islam, that’s fine, too If you and someone else want to date/have sex/marry, go for it! We don’t care what about your personal life.

      That is, unless it effects other people. If people were actually being persecuted for being Christian in the US, I’d be fighting for them as well.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        The West including the USA has no freedom. Freedom is to declare publicly that homosexuality is sin. No Westerner is allowed to do so.

        • Colin Rafferty

          Really? No one is stopping you from saying whatever you like. You want to put a sign on your lawn expressing your deepest darkest hatred, go for it.

          What you can’t do is act against other people based on these thoughts. Too bad

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Truth-telling is not hatred but the true love. The West became only immoral evil by becoming Non-christian. You guys need Christianity for morality and purity and sanity, not just for salvation and truth.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Oh, I’m not saying that the words are the hatred, just the thoughts.

            But really, how are you being stopped from expressing your views? How are you being suppressed?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You Western whites should stop equating the colored peoples and the homosexuals in the same category. The worst kind of insults and racism. List the homosexuals with pedophiles instead, which is the correct classification.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Really, I am uninterested in your personal views. I’m much more interested to know how you are being stopped from publicly expressing those views. You said that you have no freedom today. How so?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western whites compare the colored and sexually depraved and force the acceptance of homosexual depravity by insulting all colored peoples who truly suffered. The West fine and jail those who opposed homosexuality. Hopefully President Trump will change the climate. You guys need the Holy Bible to be good and humane and civilized.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Who in the US is fined and jailed for voicing their opinions about homosexuality? No one.

            Please, tell me how US Christians are having their speech repressed.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People with wedding businesses were jailed and fined for refusing to admit the same-sex “marriage.” The West has no freedom for even the basic morality. Everyone has to so submit to homosexuality. Sexual depravity reigns in the Ex-christian West.

          • Colin Rafferty

            They weren’t fined for “refusing to admit”, they were fined for refusing service. They were not punished for their thoughts or their speech, but for their actions.

            You have been claiming that no one has the “freedom is to declare publicly that homosexuality and transgenderism is sin”. This is not an example of that.

            Do you have an actual example of people being punished for their speech? Or just people being punished for their actions discriminating against their customers?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, those are. Because you are at the oppressors’ side, you feel nothing. Rapists are that way with victims. The West should not persecute the Christians for refusing to serve the homosexual sins because it’s like a demon-worship to Christians. Sexual sin is not like skin colors or birth genders. The West needs to be made civilized by the Christian Church this century. All peoples should have rights to treat sexual depravity as a sin and reject to serve it; that’s religous freedom.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I know we disagree about the morality of sexuality, but let’s not get basic facts wrong. They were punished for their actions. Not their speech. You may believe that they should not be punished for those actions, but that is very different from the fact that this was about actions, and not speech.

            No one is being persecuted in the US for their beliefs or speech. Only their actions. And you haven’t shown any different.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s the same thing. I heard Canada jailed the pastors for speaking against Sodomy. UK does that, too. The same people also prohibits speeches against the religion of Islam, while blaspheming against Christianity all they want at that. The West upholds homosexuality unconditionally and lost lawfulness and fairness, and the culture is tyrannical immoral. Something must fix this trend for the sake of the Western children. I get bullied in this site by the immoral Westerners here, and that’s another proof that the West lost religious freedom.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No they are not. Speech and actions are different. I’m sorry you can’t quite understand that.

            What speech were those pastors jailed for?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Speaking against homosexuality. Western nations prohibit “discrimination” against homosexual sins which is a loss of freedom of speeches already. In Sodom, sins cannot be condemned as sins.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Please provide a link to pastors in Canada being jailed for speaking. I have never heard of this, and I’m sure I would have.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            My Canadian friend told me. They may have different headings for the incidents. Research for yourself. I will, too.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’ll be waiting. The last time you had “proof” of being punished for speech, it was about a business discriminating.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The liberal authorities try to censor the pastors’ sermons in USA time to time, but the Trump election changed the tide a bit; so it seems. It’s the Western society that discriminated against the Christians for forcing them to serve homosexual depravity. The West does not touch the Jews or the Muslims for such thing; the victims are always the Christians. You Westerners lost your wits by mixing up the colored peoples and sexually depraved peoples to rant equality. Stop watching naked bodies; it makes your brain lose cells and submit to Sodomy.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No government has censored pastors’ sermons in the USA. Why do you keep making up these stories?

            As for punishing someone for their actions, if a Muslim store owner refused to serve people because they were gay, they would also be punished.

            No one was punished for being Christian, or speaking out. They are punished for their actions.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            There were attempts to control the pastors in the Northeastern states but failed. If the liberals took power, only the Heaven knows what they could have done to the Christian pastors. No, the test revealed that the Muslims were able to refuse and were okay. Western Sodom only makes Christians suffer. They leave others alone. It’s crimes against the majority. If one cannot refuse to serve homosexuality, such society has no morality or freedom.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No there weren’t any such attempts. You keep making these vague claims, without any links or names or anything. None of this is true.

            You have an extremely vivid imagination, but it lacks details.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            My comment with web address are being on hold. Google yourself. The net is full of incidents where the Western pastors are arrested and jailed for speaking against homosexuality. My list for you is a tip of an iceburg. The Muslim population in the West this century may be a blessing from God. Western Sodom’s madness must be slowed down somehow. The West needs more number of normal people, whatever the kinds.

          • Colin Rafferty

            No it is not full of it. If it were, you’d give me a dozen links. It doesn’t exist. You don’t have a list. Except in your head.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            One is too many. You should have got shocked. I knew you are unfair to Christians. All secular Westerners are. No functioning conscience. No wonder the Western nations lost freedom. You guys need Christian education to be humane.

          • Colin Rafferty

            One would be fine, too. You said you had a list. All I’m looking for is one example of someone being punished by the government for speech.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The West is banning the Christianity for the love of their own sick depravity, and the civilization is forcing the madness upon poor nations by threatening and bribing and indoctrinating – admit the fact.

          • Colin Rafferty

            It’s not being banned. Unless, that is, you can come up with one single example of this. Just one.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Demanding people to endorse homosexuality means banning of Christianity and morality. What kind of mentally-ill world prohibits Christianity to spread the homosexual depravity? Only the Ex-christian West. You guys have totally lost your wits by putting the colored people and the sexual pervs in the same category. We colored never endured the racism for centuries or struggled to be equal only to be oppressed again by the Western whites for opposing their homosexual depravity in the 21st century.

            You guys are too full and bored. Stop being like that. The West is never sorry for any of its atrocities because it jails and finds the Christians who speak against homosexuality and refuse to help it out. Christian Westerners are the only normal people in the West. Wake up before you guys hurt your own children further. No morality = No sanity = No future. Western whites need Christianity for the truth, sanity, civility, and freedom, just like all others do.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You keep claiming that The West jails Christians for their speech. I keep asking for an example. You fail to provide. Once again.

            Please, if you can’t give me a single example of someone in the US or Canada being punished for speech, please stop making that claim. It makes you look like a liar, and I hate to think that of anyone.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            My comments for you with web addresses keep getting “Hold on.” Research “Christians jailed for their speeches” if you have any honesty within you. You get tons – something close to 20 millions. You are not interested in truth or anyone’s human rights. No liberals are; they just push infanticide and destructive immorality.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Fine, give me the name of a person that was jailed. That will make it easy for me to find. When I google that term, I see Singapore, not the US.

            I am very interested in the truth. You just haven’t given me one verifiable fact.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Kim Davis. In the West, everyone has to obey to Sodomy unconditionally. Your civilization needs a fix by the Christian Church to become civilized again. These individuals are a tip of iceberg. Perv globalists are doing more invisible evils to control mankind under the submission to Sodomy. Only the Bible-literate people are free, as always. The Western pervs are being self-destructive by trying to mandate homosexual immorality upon the planet, because such installation only destroys their own homeland. You must repent of your sin to get saved. Read John chapter 3.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Kim Davis was a government employee who was illegally refusing to provide government benefits. That’s an action, not speech.

            If on her own time, she wanted to stand outside her own office with a sign calling people sodomites, that would be legal speech. Refusing service is a crime.

            Do you even understand what you are claiming? Do you know the difference between speech and action? You claim Americans are jailed for speech, but give examples of them jailed for actions. I’m beginning to believe you don’t actually have any examples.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is wrong for the Western governments to force the officials or anyone to bend the clear Christian conscience and do anything. That shuns Christians from countless positions in the West like in the communist nations. Action is as well as the speech. USA is a human rights violator to charge the Christians for living out God’s truth and purity.

            No one can live out a clear conscience in the Western Sodom. Everyone has to so support Sodomy. Some white people were forced to treat the colored people equally decades ago, but liberals should never have applied the incident in treating sexual depravity equally with natural entities. Last time it was noble. This time it is a sin. Some people had to pay the fine to avoid jailtime and still pending. Research on your own. You are denying facts in your own society.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Actually, you completely misunderstand the US Constitution, and have it backwards. The First Amendment is very clear, that the State cannot impose any religious views on the citizens. Before someone becomes an employee of the State, they agree to enforce the Constitution.

            A government clerk can no more choose to discriminate against people because of religion than a policeman can enter a home without a warrant. They have each make their choices.

            It is not the Constitution that is shunning Christians. It is individuals choosing beliefs that are opposed to the Constitution.

            By the way, I know you are not from the US, but you should not use the term “colored”. It is a slur here in the US. Feel free to say “Blacks” just as you would “Whites”.

          • Parodyx

            That’s a new one even for you Grace. So now liberals want infanticide? I consider myself pretty liberal and don’t know of a single liberal that wanted to kill any infants.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Infanticide = abortion. Read Exodus chapter 1. Empires are for a moment, but the Word of God is forever. Isaiah 40. Western civilization needs humility before God. Ex-christian West is collapsing because of godlessness. Baby-killing mankind who worships Sodomy is the #1 problem, not the burning planet or nuclear wars.

          • Parodyx

            If it’s abortion you’re talking about, I know many liberals who oppose it so I’m not sure what you are trying to say.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Liberals support abotion and sexual depravity. Those who don’t left the camp long ago.

          • Charles

            The Knapps were just asked by a gay couple to perform their wedding ceremony, The Daily Caller reported.
            “On Friday, a same-sex couple asked to be married by the Knapps, and the Knapps politely declined,” The Daily Signal reported. “The Knapps now face a 180-day jail term and a $1,000 fine for each day they decline to celebrate the same-sex wedding.”

          • Colin Rafferty

            Wow, you got it wrong in two different ways.

            1. I asked for an example of someone being punished for speech. This was refusal of services.
            2. The quote you gave is from an article written just after the city told them they had to perform the ceremony. And then the city realized they were wrong. So they were not, in fact, either punished, or forced to perform the ceremony.

            boisestatepublicradio dot org /post/coeur-dalene-says-hitching-post-exempt-gay-rights-law

            So, maybe you have a real example of someone in the US being punished for speech.

          • Charles

            “1. I asked for an example of someone being punished for speech. This was refusal of services.”

            Since these were ordained pastors. I would say that’s punishment. Well they got the “Same Sex Marriage” wrong as well. No such thing. Didn’t take the initial threat away did it? Well it’s coming. That’s the Goal..

            It hasn’t hit the US like Canada, or UK but it’s coming. Christians know this. We know the evil behind this garbage. It will be eventually “Unlawful Hate Speech” to speak out against it. Like I said, it’s not quite here yet. But it will be.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Yes it’s punishment, but it’s not punishment for speech. Speech! Not actions. They were worried about being punished for their actions.

            And they weren’t punished. Not punished. That was a bad example, because no one was actually punished. And because even if they were, it would be for their actions, not their speech.

            You are allowed to have all the paranoia in the world about maybe one day people will be punished for speech. But it’s not happening. And it’s not coming. And there are exactly zero examples of it happening.

          • Charles

            If you are pastor. Preaching the Word of God. The Word of God says homosexuality is a sin. You are FORCING the pastor to violate their oath to God right? That’s suppression of speech right?

          • Colin Rafferty

            No. It’s not. It’s forcing a business owner to serve all customers. The fact that a pastor chooses to open a secular business is his choice, and he has to follow the law of secular businesses.

            But it would also only be force if they were actually forced to do anything. They weren’t! The city realized it was wrong and said so. So they were not forced to perform the ceremony, or punished for not doing it.

          • Charles

            A Canadian human rights tribunal ordered a Christian pastor to renounce his faith and never again express moral opposition to homosexuality, according to a new report.

            In a decision dated May 30 in the penalty phase of the quasi-judicial proceedings run by the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal, evangelical pastor Stephen Boisson was banned from expressing his biblical perspective of homosexuality and ordered to pay $5,000 for “damages for pain and suffering” as well as apologize to the activist who complained of being hurt.

            According to a report from Pete Vere at the Catholic Exchange, the penalty could foreshadow the possible fate of the Rev. Alphonse de Valk, who also cited the biblical perspective on homosexuality in the nation’s debate over same-sex “marriage” and now faces HRC charges.

            Boisson wrote a letter to the editor of his local Red Deer, Alberta, newspaper in 2002 denouncing the advance of homosexual activism as “wicked” and stating: “Children as young as five and six years of age are being subjected to psychologically and physiologically damaging pro-homosexual literature and guidance in the public school system; all under the fraudulent guise of equal rights.”

            The activist, local teacher Darren Lund, filed a complaint, and the guilty verdict from Lori G. Andreachuk, a lawyer, was handed down Nov. 30, 2007. The latest decision involved the penalty phase of the trial.

            “While agreeing that Boisson’s letter was not a criminal act, the government tribunal nevertheless ordered the Christian pastor to [stop expressing his opinion],” Vere reported.

            Andreachuk noted that Lund, who brought the complaint, wasn’t, in fact, injured.

            “In this case there is no specific individual who can be compensated as there is no direct victim who has come forward,” she wrote.

            However, that did not stop her from ordering the payment anyway.

            And as for the future, she wrote:

            “Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc. shall cease publishing in newspapers, by e-mail, on the radio, in public speeches, or on the Internet, in future, disparaging remarks about gays and homosexuals. Further, they shall not and are prohibited from making disparaging remarks in the future about … Lund or … Lund’s witnesses relating to their involvement in this complaint. Further, all disparaging remarks versus homosexuals are directed to be removed from current Web sites and publications of Mr. Boissoin and The Concerned Christian Coalition Inc.,” the lawyer opined.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You are an idiot. The case was dropped a month later. He was not punished.

            Did you actually expect me to not google his name, or did you just not even know yourself?

          • Charles

            Careful of names you call people. Were is the article that it was dropped and he was able to post his beliefs…

          • Colin Rafferty

            I just googled his name. It was literally the first link.

            zenit dot org /articles/case-dropped-against-canadian-priest/

          • Charles

            The Canadian priest ended up with $20,000 in legal fees. Dropped or not, that was punishment. It doesn’t address the other case noted against Boissoin..

            The priest cited the “most notorious” of these decisions as the one of the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal against Stephen Boissoin.

            Boissoin is a Protestant youth minister who wrote a letter to the editor of his local newspaper critiquing same-sex marriage and the introduction of homosexual activism in public schools among students as young as six.

            The Alberta Human Rights Tribunal ordered Boissoin to pay $7,000 in fines and court costs, and write and publish an apology for his statements.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You really are something. Boissoin also was not punished. It was overturned on appeal.

          • Charles

            So the fine and court cost was reversed? Todays threat is tomorrow’s action.. Amazing how you can’t see that.

          • Colin Rafferty

            The fine was reversed of course. And like any other court csee, he probably is our those costs.

            And you are right about it providing an example of what happens going forward. We see that free speech wins.

            Do you actually have a case of someone who is actually punished for speech?

          • Charles

            If it was free speech, he wouldn’t have been dragged through the mud for stating his opinion. Like being threatened with fines and writing an “Apology” letter for calling out homosexual behavior for what it is. A sinful lifestyle.

          • Colin Rafferty

            If it was free speech, he would not have actually had to pay a fine or write an apology letter.

            And he didn’t pay a fine or write an apology letter. He was accused, fought it, and created precedent so that this kind of thing won’t happen again. This was a win for free speech.

          • Charles

            Oh, right. It was reversed……… Seven years later…… I’m sure he wasn’t bothered by that fiasco at all.

          • Colin Rafferty

            We will never know how he feels about it. Maybe he loved it for all the publicity it gave him.

            But my point stands. Zero people have been punished for their speech. Only for their actions.

          • Parodyx

            “Stop watching naked bodies; it makes your brain lose cells and submit to Sodomy.”

            I think that is the strangest thing you have EVER said.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western culture and their mental slaves show skin too much as if it’s the only thing they are good at. How can men strive after justice in that kind of society, among the prostitutes? Impossible. You guys think it’s amusing to send perv males into women’s restrooms because you have no virgin women among you. Poor your fathers to have such descendants. The Muslim population is such a blessing to the childless secular nations.

          • Parodyx

            We are sexual creatures, Grace, to suppress that would mean shutting off part of what makes us human. I agree there are destructive things that can be done with sexual desires but most people make responsible choices.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, today’s secular culture is the proof; they have sex with anyone or anything and live for sex and therefore cannot have true love and continue betraying, living like animals. Playboys get sick from having lust. Persecuting the Christians for rejecting the depravity must be a new warped amusement for sex-addicts and their supporters. Typical. Before you were born, there were normal days where man fell in love with a woman and married her and lived to protect his family. Stop listening to lies. Read the Word of God and regain humanity. He truly knows us.

          • RWH

            Actually, it is the court of public opinion. At any job, we all know people who do not act nor play well with others. If the employer can’t fix the problem, these people go. People who harangue about the “sodomites” create a hostile working environment, and whatever the issue, an employer has the right to terminate if the employee continues to create a situation that is upsetting to others. In this country, Grace’s so-called sodomites have the same rights as everyone else, and so-called “Christians” do not have the right to destabilize the working environment for people they think are sinners. It’s that simple. Unfortunately, Grace is fixated on gays as evidenced that every one of her posts brings up gays, whether appropriate or not.

          • RWH

            Grace, you have been told repeatedly that homosexuality and pedophilia are two separate issues with scientific support. Yet, you keep on repeating the same claim. So, we are allowed to propagate God’s kingdom through a series of lies about other people?

            We already know that you are obsessed with gays. Every post, whether related or not, you have to bring in gays. You’re an outsider. If you don’t like what we do in America, quit lusting after us and be content where God has placed you.

          • Sharon_at_home

            So skip her posts if you don’t agree with anything she posts. She is who she is and at least she tries to help others understand faith. She’s never rude so just go on past her posts and leave her alone about it. You know what she will say when you do post back.
            Personally I like reading her posts but I don’t necessarily agree with how she puts them. She tries to make a point but it’s – lets say – in her own way of explaining it. She is very faithful and is doing what she believes is right and she is!
            As far as whether she knows America as well as she thinks she does, rather than putting her down about it, maybe you could help her learn instead. If she reads what you post (and I do believe she does) even if she posts the same thing again (and again), she will likely remember what you told her.
            Shouldn’t Americans be proud when someone from another country feels so proud for them? Because that is what it seems to be in this case.
            She obviously comes to a Christian board to discuss our faiths; you on the other hand come to try to destroy our faith by trying to make us question it.
            Sounds to me like she’s in the right place, and you are in the wrong place.

          • RWH

            Perhaps you should do some reading before you criticize others. People have tried to set her straight for some time now. Maybe you prefer to allow garbage to go by without a comment. I’m not one of them. And I have just as much right to post as does everyone else.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I hear that the LGBT’s in some area go to harass at Christian events, just as I hear that some Christians go to LGBT events to harass them.
            Not everyone behaves the right way all the time. You can’t lay blame on one group or the other, as far as acting against people.
            It’s always been that way, and it always will be as long as people disagree on something they both feel strongly about.
            No one is stopping us from saying whatever we like? Well, the law says that, but I don’t think it is happening when people have to be cancelled from speaking because of the protest against Christianity.
            The only place a lot of people say that we can discuss our faith is in Church. How is that freedom of speech?
            That is happening in schools and outside of schools. I read about a school that had “free spaces” that if you got a permit you could speak about anything you wanted but only at certain times. Because of a complaint about the subject of the speech (abortion) and their display, the free spaces were shut down. I think they changed something like not having displays and opened them again.
            Christians are rarely allowed to have an event without people protesting and trying to get it shut down.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You are complaining that other people are also speaking? Your free speech is being infringed because other people are also speaking? Or that no one is giving you a platform from which to speak?

            That’s not oppression. Oppression is when you are not allowed to marry the person you love. Oppression is being jailed because of which consenting adult you had sex with. Oppression is not being able to shop because of who you love.

            Do you actually feel unsafe to express your beliefs? How so? What do you think is going to happen to you if your neighbors find out that you are Christian? Do you think it will be harder to get a job? That your children won’t be able to go to their friends’ houses any more?

          • Sharon_at_home

            No I think I was pointing out that Christians are hassled by others too.
            Not that they are also speaking.

            You have no need to use that tone with me. You don’t know me Colin, you know nothing about me other than what you’ve read here. I’ve never mentioned that I joined my church 8 years ago and it opened a whole different world for me. So it would be nice if you didn’t use such a broad stroke with your brush when you blame Christians for what happens in the news. For one thing, I am not an American. Besides that it goes against what I believe in. When it is against what God wants I try to stay out of it and leave it to him. I would not encourage any thing that would not be given out of love and concern about the person. I guess because I am less familiar with all the scripture I tend to go with my feelings about things by what Jesus said in the bible. Love everyone as yourself. Treat people the way you want to be treated. Jesus wanted everyone to be treated properly and wanted everyone to be saved. How do you convert someone you are constantly criticizing? Not everyone tries to save others by oppression in their lives. I certainly wouldn’t.
            I’m not one to go out to support or hassle someone about anything TBH.
            I find the thought of all the hate on both sides makes me feel stressed. I avoid things like that. 🙂

          • Colin Rafferty

            > So it would be nice if you didn’t use such a broad stroke with your brush when you blame Christians for what happens in the news.

            I don’t. Nothing I have ever written has been about Christians as a group. The only time I’ve even mentioned someone’s religion is when that person is using it as an excuse for their bad behavior.

            My discussion above about oppression and Christianity was meant as a thought experiment. No one will say you can’t get married because you are a Christian. No one will refuse you service in a store because you are a Christian. No one is going to fire you because you are a Christian. No one is going to shun you because you are a Christian.

            However, all those things happen to people because they are gay.

            > Christians are rarely allowed to have an event without people protesting and trying to get it shut down.

            Do you go to Church on Sunday? Did you see protesters? What Christian events get shut down?

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’m not like the more aggressive Christians that protest and refuse service and the rest of the problems you mention. So should I be blamed for the ones that do? I’ve already told you that I am not the type of person to go to Protests and various things like that. All I want to do is live my life devoted to God. I don’t want to get into the Politics, or even Society is for me a small area, so I don’t even see those things except in the News.
            When I answer a lot of questions I look at how Christians are supposed to be behaving with no judgment on the part of the more aggressive ones. I live quietly with my faith the center of my life. IMO It’s not my job to dole out punishment for sins, it’s God’s. That doesn’t mean everyone is going to agree with me.
            My world is expanded by reading the news and believe me I can’t imagine some of the stuff that appears in the news.
            I only comment when I think I can help someone to understand why people do the things they do as Christians.
            Colin I feel you are angry with me when I am not anything like the people that do the things you are angry about. A lot of Christians just want to live their lives – just as LGBT people do – and mind their own business when other people sin where there can be no intervention. ( I hope I said that clearly enough) With the number of Christians in the world, the number that are involved in creating the world into a harder place for LGBT is so small. Christians that are not involved in the ‘higher interests of the Church ‘ are more likely to be tolerant of others.
            I don’t know why these people do these things. My Pastor is nothing like any of the Christians in the news. He focuses solely on helping us to learn about God and the bible and how it can help even today. He doesn’t even speak about LGBTs on the platform. I’ve spoken to him once about it and he said he used to work with them and they were always the nicest people. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with anyone’s life choices because he feels that he should be teaching the Bible to people who want to know it.
            I treat people the way I want to be treated and have lived by that rule all my life. Why would I personally be intolerant of anyone’s choice? Yes I might discuss the biblical view on things with them, whether it’s about them or about something already being discussed, but I would not in any way be rude to anyone.
            I don’t mind discussing things with you Colin to help you see the other side to these issues maybe, but please stop thinking that all Christians are not tolerant and treat people badly.
            Be angry about what happens to other people, but don’t take the anger out on people who just happen to be Christian too. Don’t expect all Christians to be involved in the news kind of things.
            Treat people the way you want to be treated is for what ever emotion you are going through too, I guess. You are angry and frustrated by the image of Christians that you’ve been subjected to. I understand that, and I agree that it is wrong.
            I doubt someone like me could change how religions view things even when I disagree with them. In some ways, I’m just as angry and frustrated by the same things you are. I’m just not a vocal person like you are.
            I hope this helps you to understand why I discuss things with others on this board.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Please forgive me if I made you think that I am blaming Christians as a group for oppression. I am not, and I do not intend to give that impression.

            What I am talking about is claims that Christians are being oppressed. I don’t think they are, and I was trying to make a comparison showing what true oppression is.

          • Parodyx

            I think I like your style, Colin Rafferty.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You can’t honestly believe anyone can “put a sign on your lawn expressing your deepest darkest hatred,” do you?
            So you think that in the USA you can put up signs that say “Believe in God” “I hate Muslims” (deepest darkest kind of hatred; except it would be inciting hate) or how about “Trust Satan” and no one will make you take it down because it’s on private property? Great! We’ll all just put those signs up and see how the public would handle it.
            Put it this way, it would not be ignored. And there would be a lot of people unhappy about it.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Are you sure you live in the United States? You don’t think you can put up a sign on your lawn that says “Believe in God”? That’s delusional.

          • Sharon_at_home

            No actually I don’t live in the USA, I live in Canada. But I read a lot of news and if there were, someone somewhere would find a reason to try to get it taken down. If it takes one person’s complaint to stop hallow-e’en events at school, or to change something that has existed in one place for hundreds of years by removing it. It wouldn’t take much for someone to sue them because they are offended by it.
            I did a general search for Christian signs because all adding on private property did was give me signs about trespassing.
            Within the first 2 pages of see more plus the first one, I saw 3 signs on private property that were not on a house property but just grassy properties so I am counting them as on private property.
            Most of the other signs were shown at a protest or on Church signs.
            Wouldn’t there have been more if there were Christians putting up signs in front of their houses?

          • Colin Rafferty

            South of the border, we have a thing called the First Amendment. One thing that’s pretty clear is that you can put pretty much whatever you like on your lawn. But that doesn’t mean you can also put it in the town square. We have all sort of offensive signs on private property. Especially if you go further south and see all the confederate flags.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I’ve read a number of articles – usually when one is removed all the other stories come out too – about Confederate flags. I got the impression that people were offended by them and were working at trying to get them all removed. I wasn’t really interested in it though, so I didn’t pursue it.
            Maybe (private Christian themed signs) they aren’t around much because of how the people in the area react to them. If they can mess around with political signs on people’s properties, then I can’t imagine why it couldn’t happen (and imagine it would happen) with Christian signs.
            but maybe it’s just a search that didn’t show them.
            Can you explain why people use the First Amendment to curtail Religious Freedom? Is it really only on Government property that they complain (+ sue) about religious things? I kind of think that anything that was put somewhere in history should be left there no matter of the religious content because that is what the world was like when it was put there. That’s what makes it historical doesn’t it?
            Thanks for the learning experience 🙂

          • Colin Rafferty

            > Can you explain why people use the First Amendment to curtail Religious Freedom?

            I’ll answer this honestly. People aren’t doing that.

            That question is based on a misunderstanding. The First Amendment means that the government can neither promote nor repress any religion. Religious Freedom means you can practice your own religion exactly as you see fit. And it also means that no one else can impose their religious beliefs on you.

            At the government level, this is pretty easy to deal with. No matter how strong someone’s religious beliefs, a government employee cannot impose their beliefs on anyone else. So when a cop pulls you over for speeding, they can’t also give you a religious tract. Or a county clerk cannot refuse a wedding license to any couple who may legally marry. Because they are acting as proxies for the State, not for themselves.

            On a personal level, it’s trickier: my freedom to practice my religion can clash with your freedom to practice your religion. If I run a hotel and my religion tells me that adultery is a sin, that will clash with your religious views that you and your partner ought to be able to share a room. Or I may be a pharmacist who believes that premarital sex is immoral and refuses to sell contraception to you before you are married.

            So how do we resolve this? By realizing that someone acting as a business has less rights than a private individual. Businesses are supposed to be performing a public service. They are supposed to provide equal service to anyone that walks through their door. I can use my religion to guide my life, but I can’t use it to discriminate against people in my business.

            I can no more refuse a particular service to someone because of my religious beliefs than because of my racist beliefs. Freedom of religion is not a get-out-of-jail-free card. It is just a way that I am able to live my life, as long as I don’t impose it on someone else.

            And on the Confederate flag issue, people are trying to get them removed from government buildings. No one is trying to force people to remove them from their personal property.

            Of course, everyone has free speech. If my immediate neighbor put up a confederate flag, I would use my speech to let them know exactly what I thought. I’d probably ask them to take it down. But I wouldn’t force them, because that would be wrong, and because I wouldn’t have any way to do that.

      • Sisyphus

        Attempting to engage in rational and cogent dialogue on this site could be a case study in Camus’ absurdism.

        • Colin Rafferty

          But we have to just keep pushing that boulder up the hill.

          • Amos Moses

            until it rolls over the top of you …. as all truth does …… when you tell lies ………

          • Colin Rafferty

            You keep claiming I lie. What have I said so far that is one?

          • Amos Moses

            whether you realize it or not …. everything you seem to support is a lie …. and all you do is spread those lies …..

            1. Actually, we defend everyone’s right to live as they wish. – No You dont …
            2. That is, unless it effects other people. – No …. another lie … what we do everyday affects everyone else ….. this is a society …. not a chaotic free for all …
            3. It’s a good thing this is a Christian website, else I’d think you were judging others. – christians are required to judge …. you do not know the truth … so this is a lie ……… and you spread it AS IF it was true …
            4. Oppression is when you are not allowed to marry the person you love. – more lies ………..
            5.Oppression is not being able to shop because of who you love. – more lies …..

            it is an unending spewing of lies and half truths ……

          • Colin Rafferty

            Simply stating that something is a lie doesn’t make it so. But I’m glad you have made verifyable statements. I’ll go through them.

            > 1. Actually, we defend everyone’s right to live as they wish. – No You dont …

            Yes, we do. Please give an example where we don’t.

            > 2. That is, unless it effects other people. – No …. another lie … what we do everyday affects everyone else ….. this is a society …. not a chaotic free for all …

            That’s what I said. You are actually agreeing with me. You can’t just do whatever you like if it effects other people. You can’t just punch someone in the nose, or slash someone’s tire, or refuse someone service, just because you feel like it.

            > 4. Oppression is when you are not allowed to marry the person you love. – more lies ………..

            > 5.Oppression is not being able to shop because of who you love. – more lies …..

            Wow, it appears that pretty much nothing is oppression. You have a pretty cracked world view.

          • Amos Moses

            simple denying it is a lie ….. does not make it truth ….. you reject the truth … and you spread lies ……. i care not if you accept that ………… your problem … not mine …. but i do have to point it out ……………

      • Reason2012

        No, when 50 LGBT were slaughtered in Florida, LGBT activists either remained silent, or rushed to defend islam as a religion of peace. But when a Christian who has no problem serving those into homosexuality will not promote a same-gender wedding no matter who asked, and these same LGBT activists will rabidly attack them with death threats, lawsuits, violence and more, it’s clear they will not defend “everyone’s right to live as they wish” but instead force everyone to get in line with their anti-Christian, pro-islam agenda.

        • Colin Rafferty

          WTF are you talking about? There was an enormous outcry when that happened in Orlando.

          Are you upset that they didn’t blame all Muslims, and instead just blamed the ones who actually did it? That they didn’t want to tar everyone with the same bigoted brush, like they always get tarred with?

          And which private citizen are you talking about being forced to do something against their will? Or are you talking about a store that illegally refused service?

          • Reason2012

            Are you upset that they didn’t blame all Muslims, and instead just blamed the ones who actually did it?

            See what I mean? LGBT activists hate Christians and call them bigots, and homophobes but then when someone from islam slaughters 50 LGBT, you rush to defend islam by saying “only one of them did it”, then go back to going after Christians with cries of “bigots” and “homophobes”. You just proved my point.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You are putting words into my mouth. I have never said anything against Christians as a group.

            I treat people as individuals. If one Muslim shoots up a nightclub, I don’t blame all Muslims. If one Christian refuses to serve a couple, I don’t blame all Christians.

            So please tell me how LGBT organizations attack all Christians as a group. Not attack individual Christians who illegally refuse to serve them, but Christians as a group.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Editing your comment after I already respond is uncool.

            You aren’t even listening to me. I have said over and over that I only blame individuals Fir their actions, and not groups. Including Christians. If you think I blame Christians as a group, quote me.

            Let me be clearer. I don’t blame Christians as a group for the actions of individuals, even when they use their Christianity as an excuse.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Sodom’s men refuse to protect women and children in every way. That’s all. Liberals are similar everywhere; they are not interested in the truth or anyone’s human rights. Their disinterest is foundational.

    • Johndoe

      One trick pony as usual. Total rubbish.

    • Parodyx

      Defend them? I would defend their right to practice their religion, just as I would defend your right to practice yours. Where I take issue is with you (and them) trying to enforce your morality on other people who have the right NOT to follow your faith.

      • Reason2012

        Please cite your posts denouncing islam when 50 LGBT were slaughtered by someone yet again following islam.
        Please cite your posts denouncing those who make death threats against and sue Christians who have no problem serving homosexuals but would refuse to cater a same-gender “wedding” no matter who asked.

        • Parodyx

          Would you like me to start by talking about the vast majority of Muslims I know who have never slaughtered anyone?

          I would denounce anyone who made a death threat. But I would applaud anyone who sued someone for an illegal and discriminatory business practice.

          • Reason2012

            Would you like me to start by talking about the vast majority of Muslims I know who have never slaughtered anyone?

            Precisely my point. In 13 muslim-run countries and elsewhere across the world, hundreds of MILLIONS of_muslims consent to those into homosexual behavior being thrown off of roofs. 50 LGBT were slaughtered here in America at once, and here you are trying to defend islam, trying to justify islam by saying the vast majority that you know don’t saughter anyone.

            I rest my case.

            Yet LGBT activists are rabid in going after those “homophobic, bigoted” Christians for daring to have the belief that marriage is one man and one woman regardless of what desires men or women have, while hundreds of millions of those who follow islam continue to slaughter or consent to slaughter LGBT, the ones these activists claim to care for. It just shows these self-proclaimed lgbt activists are really pro-islam and hence really anti-lgbt and anti-Christian activists.

          • Parodyx

            OK, so…your point?
            Muslims throwing homosexuals off roofs – wrong.
            Christians bullying homosexuals into suicide – also wrong.
            Tell me where I’m “defending” Islam.

            And no one’s complaining about you having a belief that marriage is one man and one woman. We KNOW you have that belief. The problems come when you TAKE that belief and start to apply it in the real world to refusing to serve homosexuals in shops. Why is it so important for you to try to CHANGE them, which is just going to upset them more? Leave them alone.

  • james blue

    — Liberty Counsel President Mat Staver disagrees. “But she crosses the line when she brings things into the classroom that pushes her ideas onto the students.”

    Now there’s a quote he need to be reminded of.

  • The General

    It’s what they do outside the classroom that bears watching.

    • Colin Rafferty

      Why? What should teachers not be allowed to do in their personal lives?

    • Tangent002

      Are you a voyeur?

  • Jason Todd

    Attorneys with Liberty Counsel wrote to Hillsborough County Superintendent Jeff Eakins on April 19 to express concern about Riverview High School teacher Lora Jane Reidas, who identifies as a lesbian.

    “I’m a Christian myself. I would never do that because I would be hurt if someone would tell me not to wear my cross,” Reidas told the Tampa Bay Times.

    She’s a liar. A liar that needs to be unemployed.

  • glenbo

    A safe and inclusive space for LGBT students?
    How dare she!
    Perhaps she should take down that offensive “inclusion” poster and replace it with Leviticus 20:13, Exodus 21:20,21 and 1st Samuel 15:3 to show God’s love for all life.

    • Jason Todd

      Ah! An attempt at sarcasm.

      Here’s an idea: Lora Jane Reidas is a math teacher. She should be teaching math.

      • glenbo

        >>”She should be teaching math.”<<
        And children go to school to be educated in math, science, etc. They should leave religion for church.

        • Jason Todd

          Point?

          • glenbo

            >>”Point?”<<
            Hypocrisy.
            The church wants to allow bullying of LGBT kids in schools by censoring diversity education, but demands special rights and exceptions/entitlements/privileges based on religion.
            All schools have lots of LGBT kids, as well as African kids and kids from different ethnic/national origins. They all deserve to be protected from bullying and discrimination. The best way to do that is to teach them that yes…LGBT kids DO exist, so let's all get along.

          • Jason Todd

            The church wants to allow bullying of LGBT kids in schools by censoring diversity education, but demands special rights and exceptions/entitlements/privileges based on religion.

            Uh…you are aware religion is mentioned in the Constitution and the 1964 Civil Rights Act but not sexual behavior, right?

            Just checking.

          • glenbo

            >>”you are aware religion is mentioned in the
            Constitution and the 1964 Civil Rights Act but not sexual behavior, right?”<<

            Is bullying LGBT people a protected right?

            Is bigotry and discrimination of LGBT people a requirement
            of religion?

            What makes the sexual behavior of others anyone’s business?

          • Jason Todd

            1) Relevance?

            2) That’s such a stupid question it’s not worth even trying to answer.

            3) If you didn’t want your sexual behavior to become my business you should have kept it inside your home, where it belongs.

          • glenbo

            Since you refuse to answer questions, I can only conclude that you have no foundation for your claims and beliefs.

          • Jason Todd

            Lame troll.

          • Tangent002

            Which sexual behaviors are exclusive to homosexuals?

          • glenbo

            >>”Which sexual behaviors are exclusive to homosexuals?”<<
            Well said!
            I think he meant sexual orientation.
            That means I can fire and evict him for being heterosexual and for no other reason.

          • Amos Moses

            “The church wants to allow bullying of LGBT kids in schools by censoring diversity education”

            well if you teach a science class that says “evolution” is the normal course of things ….. then “bullying” is part of evolution ….. weeding out the weak and letting the strong dominate ….. and i do not see any reason to complain ……………

          • glenbo

            >>” if you teach a science class that says
            “evolution” is the normal course of things”<<

            What is your definition of “normal?”

          • Amos Moses

            ” if you teach a science class that says
            “evolution” is the normal course of things”

            learn to parse ….. and there is an IF in there ……. IF evolution is being taught ….. and IF that is normal …… then you should have no complaint about bullying ….. that is the NORMAL order of EVOLUTION …… and you have no complaint …… i have chickens that express that EVERYDAY …………..

          • glenbo

            >>”weeding out the weak and letting the strong dominate”<<
            Is this how religion operates? It this why we have terrorism?
            Is religion only about dominating over society?
            And accomplishes nothing but death, destruction and sadness in its wake?

          • Amos Moses

            “Is this how religion operates? ”

            NO …. this is how EVOLUTION operates ….. christianity REJECTS evolution ……….

          • Amos Moses

            “Is this how religion operates?”

            if you believe in evolution …. and are CONSISTENT ……… then it should not be a problem for them ……… it is evolution ……….

  • Tianzhu

    You can’t out-hate these people. Telling kids that a cross is a “gang symbol” is the flimsiest excuse ever. The free exercise clause in the Constitution gives this harpy no right to impose her hatred of Christians on her students. She should be reprimanded, and if she does again, fire her. She is as loathsome as that fat slob who harassed the pro-life kids.

    • Chris

      “Telling kids that a cross is a “gang symbol” is the flimsiest excuse
      ever.”

      Well a cross can be used as a gang symbol. ANYTHING can be used as a gang symbol. But since gang symbols can simply change then banning whatever is popular with gangs at the moment is pointless.

  • Jason Todd

    Everyone, let’s say this together for the morally and intellectually vacant in this thread:

    Homosexuality has no place in public schools.

    There. Is it so hard to understand?

    • This style 10/6

      You would deny a place to homosexual kids?

    • Parodyx

      Would you say the same for heterosexuality? If not, then your argument has failed. Either you keep all matters of sexuality out or none at all.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Homosexuality is sin. Children should not be taught to become depraved immoral.

  • William of Glynn

    I applaud Ms. Reidas’ courageous stand.

    • Vince

      eh

    • Tangent002

      I think she went overboard when she banned crucifix necklaces, but I don’t know what the school dress code says.

      The rest looks pretty innocuous.

  • JustThink

    If you have a Facebook account, go to the Search box and type the teacher’s name in it. There’s a link to her “wedding” photo. She is dressed in a man’s tux and appears to weigh about 300 lbs. I’m guessing none of her students could possibly take her seriously.

    • Colin Rafferty

      Fat shaming and gay bashing all at once! It’s a good thing this is a Christian website, else I’d think you were judging others.

      • Vince

        Fck you, dirty little pedophile.

      • yabruf

        The sin of gluttony and sodomy. Its a Christians responsibility to point out the sodomite freaks, how else will we protect the kids?

        • Colin Rafferty

          Blaming your own mistreatment of others on your religion degrades both yourself and all the other members of that religion.

          You should take responsibility for your own actions, and stop blaming your deity.

  • SFBruce

    Encouraging mutual respect among all students is something that should be part of every class, including math. I’m not sure what “homosexual advocacy” even means, since it makes as much sense to say a society “promotes” blue eyes. But I do know that gay people have been around since the beginning of time, including those years when homosexuality was considered a crime, a character defect and/or some kind of psychopathology. Despite that, gay people didn’t stop being gay even then.

  • Chris Burke

    God gave us free will. To chose to come to God of freewill. To accept homosexuality as morally correct and be let into heaven, to me, is the same as watching a small child stick a fork in the electrical outlet and never warning them of the consequences. People figure things out in time, given freedom and protection. But to blatantly go against God’s commands and claim God will understand and God must evolve to our thinking is psychotic at the least. We are saved by our faith not our works. You will know them by their fruits. No bad tree can produce good fruit, just like no good tree can produce bad fruits. Jesus was the living truth. Not a religion for personal gain and wealth. God bless all, seek Jesus by reading the word for yourself. A church is when 2 or more gather to read the word.

    • glenbo

      >>”Why do so many of them become teachers”<<
      So your church is where you learned your hatred from?

  • V-Ball

    Why do so many of them become teachers?

    Take a wild guess.

    • Tangent002

      The same reasons heterosexuals do: the passing on of knowledge and the desire to make a personal difference.

      • yabruf

        Nope sodomites only desire to be around children so the can take advantage of them and reproduce.Sodomites are recruited hence the constant need to position themselves around children.

    • Reason2012

      Not to teach kids about reading, writing or arithmetic, they only make a show of doing this so they can indoctrinate everyone else’s kids and grandkids about_sexual perversions they favor.

  • Tangent002

    Fire this women! Green is between yellow and blue!

  • Louie

    As a Crucifix wearing Catholic….Liberty Council is not my friend.

  • PastProdigal

    So, she thinks other teachers are, “using the kids for their own agenda”, but she is not?

    And she tries to say she is a Christian and loves “wearing her cross”?

    All the while she’s pushing homosexuality on little kids?

    Possible child abuse investigation..

  • sandraleesmith46

    First and foremost, homosexuality has absolutely NOTHING to do with teaching math, ergo, NO business whatever in that classroom in ANY form! Second and no less important, an avowed homosexual cannot, by definition, be a Christian, since he/she is living in direct opposition and rebellion to the Word of Yhwh God (aka Jesus Christ Himself). And advocating that others join in that rebellion is certainly not a “Christian” activity; nor is denying others their RIGHTS as Christians!

  • robert sanders

    THIS BITCH SHOULD BE FIRED AND NEVER TEACH AGAIN.

  • motherluna

    Time to stop the madness. If this is her life style, so be it. But not on young minds. I do not condone her life style, but I do not try to judge because I have been judged wrong too many times in the past. Not for this though.

  • David Renaud

    This teacher needs to be FIRED…….period…….. Not to be said in the classroom……..

  • Nick Hinton

    No promotions of her alternative views should be allowed in the classroom.

  • Ginger

    This is so typical of what the left does. They want to impose their values onto everyone, then dare you to express a different view. While this “teacher” claims to be making a “safe space” for her students, it seems like the opposite for someone who has views different from her own. In fact, it seems more hostile. This is why I believe in school choice. Lately the left has been using educational institutions to indoctrinate their students into believing whatever the leftist views are at the moment. This has resulted in the violent, anarchist behaviors seen on the left. No more free speech and open dialogue. Just shut down any opposing views with violence if needed. Doesn’t sound much like a safe space to me.

    • glenbo

      >>”This has resulted in the violent, anarchist behaviors seen on the left. No more free speech and open dialogue. Just shut down any opposing views with violence if needed. Doesn’t sound much like a safe space to me”<<
      Do you believe LGBT children should be protected from being bullied in schools?

  • paulrod

    Yeah, but, gay, lesbian, and transgender people actually constitute gangs. They have exclusive symbols, they have verbal codes, they have exclusive gestures, and they have common goals and interest. And, they have been known to become violent. It that ain’t a gang, I dunno what is…….

    • glenbo

      >>”And, they have been known to become violent. It that ain’t a gang”<<
      How would you feel if I replaced the words LGBT people in your stupid post above with the word Christians?

      • paulrod

        Ooooh, did we strike a nerve, little snowflake? Did we annoy the little doodoohead?

        • glenbo

          >>”little snowflake? little doodoohead?”<<
          Insults are the tools of someone who has been defeated in a debate.

  • albany le

    Fire her immediately!

  • Abby701

    This teacher needs to be removed from the education scene, Promotion of homosexuality and transgenderism are willful sins; The Bible addresses this. It is one thing to think you are transgender and another thing to act upon it. What makes the chose of homosexuality or transgender anyone else’s business,. We should not be involved in this rubbish. Your sexual idenity is your private choice and we should not have to accept it or tolerate it. Hate the sin but love the sinner. Each one to its own; stop forcing this rubbish on us.

  • John Doe

    @glenbo, @Parodyx & my sweetheart @Kyler Phoenix
    There is no scientific evidence that human beings can be born gay. That
    myth has been debunked by scholars that support gay marriage. Even Dr. Lisa Diamond, a lesbian psychologist says sexual orientation is fluid and not
    unchangeable. Try googling gay people who have decided they wanted to be
    straight of their own free will. So Grace Kim Kwon saying homosexuality is a willful sin is correct. You just don’t view it as a sin or have any real religious beliefs to care about it being a sin. Look up the report in The Journal – The New Atlantis, (August 23, 2016) by Dr. Lawrence Mayer & Dr. Paul McHugh for the proof.

  • Oldawg70

    When immorality prevails…society fails! Homosexuality is a social form of cancer(disease) that is just flat wrong…period! Queer Logic is the absence of both common sense and logic!

  • yvobalcer

    Maybe some of her students pray the family rosary daily. They are not gang symbols.

  • Cas Cusimano

    You may have homosexual tendencies, as perhaps other tendencies, however you don’t give in to them. They are either evil or immature behavior, but if you give in to them, you are wrong and doing something unnatural. Years ago homosexual behavior was considered a mental disorder. After pressure from the gay groups, psychiatrist played it down and it went by the way side. Ever since then, the homosexuals have learnt to use irrational behavior such as force, intimidation, abuse, and bullying, to get their point across. If you want to be homosexual, that’s your choice. Don’t push it on normal people and children. It was a whole lot better when you were in the closet, at least you didn’t try to make a big deal about it, nor get everyone to accept your chosen behavior. It’s your business, keep it to yourself!

  • Irvan

    That teacher should be FIRED ON THE SPOT!

    • Yes, we certainly don’t want a teacher promoting inclusiveness, empathy and understanding. It just isn’t Christian!

      • Irvan

        Teachers should limit their teaching of the three Rs………Reading, Writing, Rithmatic.

        • What? In high school? No science? No social studies? No geography? Don’t learn about other cultures? Don’t learn about the diversity of one’s own society? No critical thinking? No economics? No physical education? No civics? No art?

          Irvan, it appears that you want our society to be even more ignorant than it already is.

          Ignorance of the diversity of humans, societies (especially other religions and governmental systems) and science is the very reason for so much xenophobia and strife in the U.S. and in the world.

          I want to see the minds of children expanded and given a foundation on which to think critically–to question authority, to research what politicians, preachers and humanists tell them. I want them to know the difference between fact and fiction and how to determine, with intellectual integrity, which is which.

          Do you want a solution to economic disparity, i.e., workers struggling while the wealthy continue to grow far more wealthy? Where is all that wealth going that workers are creating with their labor–and why?

          Please think about these things.

          • Irvan

            YOU think, PERIOD! The three Rs have all the makings of intelligence, which would come in handy for you………DIPSTICK!

          • My my, what have you become hostel? Why do you feel that you must start calling names and condescending? It that the Christian way? Are you a good example? I have not attacked you. I’m simply expressing my opinion–my thoughtful arguments. Please afford me the same courtesy.

            While the three “Rs” certainly bring a degree of intelligence to any individual, it does nothing at all for understand all those things I mentioned unless the reading material he is given in reading class teaches about other cultures and religions and gives good insight on the diversity and structures of governments, diversity of societies and of individuals within societies. Would that be acceptable?

          • Irvan

            Boy, are you ever dating yourself. It must be AGES since you was in any educational class. Wake up and smell the roses GRANDPA.

          • I do love it when folks condescend as you to me. It proves that you have not intellectual argument and don’t even realize that with age, one learns more, that is, if one isn’t a religious fundamentalist.

            Do you have anything of substance to say or is your mind truncated by choice?

          • Irvan

            You are NOT worth the effort. STUPIDITY must be your virtue.

          • And, by the way, if you are refering to my misspelling of “hostile,”
            you might take a look at your grammar.

            It must be AGES since you was in any educational class.

            It’s “since you WERE . . .” not “was.”

            Unlike you, I never draw attention to misspellings or poor grammar because I know that people make mistakes and what they say is far more important than how they say it–that is, unless they omit substance, but concentrate instead on spelling errors.

      • yabruf

        Yeah no thanks. No need to include the pedophiles in anything. The sodomite deserves no empathy or understanding.
        God gave us all that we need to know about the reprobates in Leviticus 20:13.

  • Colorado_Patriot60

    They are sick and vile people!!

  • glenbo

    Never before have I seen so much ignorance and hatred directed towards innocent people and children for no rational reason. To the author of this essay Heather Clark…you have intentionally further endangered tens of thousands of LGBT children with your fanning of the flames of hatred and intolerance. Just look at how many small minded ignorant bigots “liked” Grace Kim Kwon’s hateful regurgitation of pure non-scientifically accurate nonsense below.This type of rhetoric leads LGBT children to suicide. Whenever an LGBT child commits suicide, please know that YOU, Heather Clark, have directly contributed to that child’s needless death. And here you are, Heather Clark, sponsoring this disgusting moronic commentary. I cannot understand why encouraging children to kill themselves is productive. For shame.

    Heather Clark, you are a hate-monger and the blood of all LGBT children who have and will kill themselves due to hate you sow and encourage will be on YOUR hands. Doing this must somehow warm your “Christian” heart Heather. For shame.

    But I guess that’s how “God’s love” works.

  • Ah, a teacher promoting inclusiveness, empathy and understanding. What a horror! That’s about as anti Christian as you can get. She needs to be fired and replaced with an evangelical preacher.

    • yabruf

      The teacher is a filthy sodomite. The last place it should be around is children!

  • BeBeX

    Homosexuality is a choice…….just as Heterosexuality is a choice. GOD created Everyone with the free will to choose, even HIS angels in Heaven. GOD created no one for damnation. We do it to ourselves by the choices we make in this life. And by those choices we make will determine where we will spend eternity. Everyone has a choice.

    We have a large percentage of Americans who wish to ban weapons for the sake of the children and their protection. Yet out of their own mouths they push for abortions, even to the point of late stage and partial-birth abortions. Maybe we need to arm the babies in the womb with guns so they can protect themselves!

    The laws in America have run amuck, equipping the criminals in killing their victims. The very laws GOD gave to protect a society has been cast aside in favor of the criminals. Why should a murdered be allowed to live out his/her life in a safe place, when their victims was not given that choice?

    GOD gave us commandments on these three issues above, yet we “think” we are smarter than GOD. We have allowed these atrocities into the very fiber of our society and it is ourselves that are to blame. We have fallen away from the Truth.

    • glenbo

      >>”Homosexuality is a choice”<<
      Do you believe that sexual attractions can be chosen?

      • yabruf

        Of course they cant be chosen. That’s like asking can I choose to be black or I choose to be a women. How about I choose to be a dinosaur….lol

        The difference with the sodomites is that they have been given over to their perversion. Why do you think God said what he did in Leviticus 20:13?

        Once they are given over to that depravity the only solution is the death penalty.
        Was once law in this country and still is in many others today.

        • glenbo

          >>”Of course they cant be chosen. “<<
          Are YOU, yabruf capable of choosing to have gay sex?

          • yabruf

            Can I choose to be a sodomite? yeah anyone can. Its called freewill.

          • glenbo

            >>”Can I choose to be a sodomite? yeah anyone can.”<<
            You just admitted that you are bisexual.
            Good for you.

          • yabruf

            Child like reasoning. I can choose to kill my neighbors to am I a serial killer?
            Just because we can sin doesnt mean we will slow one…..lol

          • glenbo

            >>”I can choose to kill my neighbors to am I a serial killer?”<<
            Only a murderer can make this choice.
            Only a bisexual or homosexual can make the choice you just admitted you can make. You are either bisexual or homosexual if you can chose to be a sodomite. You just admitted that you are a sodomite.

  • yabruf

    Well it shouldn’t be a surprise. All homosexuals are pedophiles which explains their constant need to want to indoctrinate children.

    They need to recruit more sickos to their ranks.