Piers Morgan Stirs Controversy for Asking ‘Non-Binary’ Couple If He Could Identify as Black Woman, Elephant

LONDON — Talk show host Piers Morgan is under fire for asking a couple who say they identify neither as male or female if he could identify as a black woman or an elephant.

“Can I be an elephant? Can I literally say I’m now an elephant and do I get afforded elephant rights?” he inquired on Friday’s broadcast of “Good Morning Britain.” “Can I go to London Zoo and demand to be put in an elephant compound because I have decided I’m an elephant?”

During the conversation with the couple who go by the names “Fox and Owl,” Fox explained that she was born a female, but later decided to present herself as male, and now doesn’t want to self-identify as either sex. She said that while her “gender expression” is male, her “gender identity” is non-binary.

“I define as non-binary. That means I identify with neither male or female fully,” she said. “It’s not like I go around telling people I’m gender neutral. I’m just non-binary. I just refuse to identify myself as a man or woman.”

Owl, wearing a floral dress, likewise outlined that he was born a male, but later decided to present himself as female. However, he doesn’t wish to be called a man or a woman.

“I think there’s very strong ideas about what it is to be a man or a woman in our society and those ideas are entirely socially constructed—the thing we expect a man or a woman to do,” he said.

Morgan then asked how the two should be addressed, and the couple advised that “they” would be acceptable, rather than he or she.

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“There’s 71 different current Facebook ways of identifying your gender, including two-spirit person, gender fluid and all sorts of other stuff,” the talk show host noted. “Do you categorize yourself as any of the 71?”

“Well, it’s wonderful to have all those different identifications,” Fox replied.

“Is it, or is it just a load of gobbledygook?” Morgan asked. “I mean, seriously! … If I turn around right now and say that I am a black woman, … if I just decided to identify myself as a completely different skin color to the one that I am, that would clearly be ridiculous, right?”

When he asked if the two would respect his wishes to be called a black woman, they declined to answer, stating that Morgan’s question was only a hypothetical situation and not in reality.

Morgan later explained that his point is that he is concerned with how far the identity envelope can be pushed.

“My problem with everyone just being free to identify themselves in any way they choose is: Where does that end? Where are any boundaries for kids, for instance, at school? If you can basically come in and say, ‘I’m not a boy or girl anymore,’ what else can you say you’re not? If I identify as anything, is anything fine?” he asked.

He also opined that the matter is a fad, that people are choosing to identify as something different because they see others doing it and think it’s “cool.”

Morgan’s comments drew both criticism and applause from viewers, with some stating that he had been insensitive and others thanking him for voicing their same thoughts.

“Piers Morgan being his normal pig ignorant self this morning! Have some respect man. Well done, Fox and Owl!” one commenter wrote.

“Honestly, I’m so sorry that Fox and Owl had to put up with Piers Morgan being such a stupid bigot. They deserve so much better,” another stated.

“Oh dear, the world suddenly became very weird. I agree with Morgan,” a third remarked.

“I didn’t think I would ever say this sentence, but I totally agree with Piers Morgan over everything he said involving non-binary issues,” another said.


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  • Ken Faivor

    Piers Morgan…..the voice of reason. Who would have ever known?

    • Amos Moses

      there is hope for salvation for all ….. God decides when we are saved ….. and the wage earned is the exact same wage for all no matter when they are saved ….. salvation by Gods grace and mercy …………

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        AMEN

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Yes, but he insulted black women and elephants.

    • Parodyx

      I STILL don’t know. What did Piers say that was reasonable?

      • Ken Faivor

        He has always been very liberal in his views. This has been the first time to my knowledge that he talked like a conservative.

        • Parodyx

          He’s comparing gender to species. That doesn’t sound reasonable to me.

          • Ken Faivor

            What he said made perfect sense to me. The elephant and black lady examples were to demonstrate that reality rules, not what you wish you were. What you wish you were doesn’t change the facts.

            Nor does an operation change the facts Bruce Jenner is still a male, less a penis.

          • Parodyx

            You are completely overlooking the whole psychological aspect of it and looking at only the biological aspect. I don’t pretend to know anything about transgenderism but there are enough people in the world that experience it to the point where it should be looked into and not just dismiss them all as “perverts”.

          • Ken Faivor

            I liken it to a person on hallucinogenic drugs. They are out of touch with reality.

          • Parodyx

            I prefer to leave those kinds of diagnoses to medical professionals.

          • Chris

            “I liken it to a person on hallucinogenic drugs. They are out of touch with reality.”

            You mean just like fundies?

          • Ken Faivor

            I can understand where you are coming from on this as Christian faith call the things that are not as though they were……The way God says they are even when our eyes and circumstances tell us differently.

            The difference is Christians abide in the authoritive truth of God’s Word, not in a made up fantasy that is invented by the lusts of the flesh.

            I suspect this will go right over your head as the very first step is to admit that God is God almighty and He rules.

          • Chris

            Correction. Fundie Christians abide in their interpretation of the bible which, they believe, is true and God’s word.

            I suspect this will go right over your head as the very first step is to admit that what you hold as truth is merely your opinion since you can’t prove that it either comes from God or is true.

  • Reason2012

    All of it is just an attack on normalcy, on morals, on God and indoctrinating kids to warp their minds. Then to get people to censor themselves, to get people to outright fear speaking their minds on the issue, they’ll go after you with the utmost hate and call you a “bigot” or “pig” or “hater” and so on. In this way their viewpoint is the only one expressed and all the “bigots” and “pigs” will just censor themselves for fear of being labeled as such. Very clever hateful attack on free speech and normalcy.

    • Sharon_at_home

      Excuse me? “They go after you with the utmost hate”. Have you ever read the posts by (some) Christians being hateful and arrogant to them all the time.
      Whether you know it or not, these people are just like you and I. They live exactly like we do except in the bedroom, which is really none of your business and was only referred to openly because they needed to stand for their human rights.
      In all ways they are the same as us, except who they love and their sex life.
      We are all sinners, regardless of what sin we have done, because repenting of our sins is when God forgets what you’ve done and forgives you – never bringing up a past sin that has been forgiven already. He wants all of us to come to repentance, but He knows the way to approach sinners with love not hate.
      We shouldn’t even know about their sex lives – that’s a private thing!
      How do you treat people who come to your church? Do they have to tell everyone their sins so they can be called names and treated hatefully? That is what the ‘Christians’ do to the LGBT all the time from what I’ve read here.
      If you didn’t know their sin, would you treat them as badly?
      Can you not talk about the gravity of their sin without the hatred that is felt to be focused on the person instead of focusing on the sin with name calling and throwing stones?
      I’m sure you must be able to come up with some words that don’t hurt the person without lessening the gravity of sin. Not a specific sin necessarily because we don’t know everyone’s sins.

      TBH I AM being treated badly because of Christians that are hateful to them! LGBT show fear when I am in my Church clothes. I am in no way like the haters who say they are Christian, but they don’t know that. I don’t think they expect Christians to be anything but hateful because of the way they are treated by a lot of them.
      Jesus told us to keep encouraging people to turn to Him and Salvation – including telling them about repenting their sins. How is it encouraging them when they are met with hate every where they turn?
      I do Jesus’ work with love at all times. Never with hate. Why do so many Christians that come here act with hate instead of love if they are doing God’s work as well?
      At least one church does not seem to encourage their members to read the gospel for themselves so they can manipulate them into believing only what they want them to believe. To my knowledge, a lot of Churches don’t act like that to anyone, it’s the way the bigger ones seem to focus on the sin more than on the Salvation and by doing that they will not be heard when they try to tell them about Salvation. It gives people the feeling that God is a hateful God, instead of the Loving God he is.
      All sinners should be treated with love and compassion. They should be encouraged to come to Jesus and learn about His Salvation and knowing Jesus they will come to desire not to sin. It’s not an exaggeration that we become new people when we come to Jesus and are baptized by water. That’s why it’s called being re-born. Attitudes will change naturally if they believe in and love Jesus.
      So don’t blame them for being hateful to you, because too many ‘Christians’ are hateful to them. I guess you could say they are ‘treating people the way they are being asking to be treated’.

      By disrespecting them, you are showing to them that you want them to disrespect you.

      That’s why Jesus said to treat others the way we want to be treated. Plus by being loving instead of hateful, you are reflecting the Lord and shining your light to others.
      God bless!

      • Reason2012

        Have you ever read the posts by (some) Christians being hateful and arrogant to them all the time.

        Jesus points out that most professing Christians will still be cast out. It’s faulty logic for us to justify the LGBT activists calling Christians “pigs” or “bigots” if we dare not agree with their claim that merely believing you’re a female makes you one. They’re free to believe that for themselves, but they demand the rest of society throws out biological fact and instead conforms to their make-believe worlds of “beliefs override biological facts”. You do realize they’re now forcing this belief as accepted normal on everyone else’s kids and grandkids in schools now?

        Whether you know it or not, these people are just like you and I. They live exactly like we do except in the bedroom, which is really none of your business and was only referred to openly because they needed to stand for their human rights.

        When these activists demand the rest of society conform to their anti-God make-believe worldview of “believing you’re a woman when you’re a man makes you a woman instead”, and force this teaching on everyone else’s kids and grandkids, then they’re making it our business and the business of our kids.

        We are all sinners, regardless of what sin we have done, because repenting of our sins is when God forgets what you’ve done and forgives you – never bringing up a past sin that has been forgiven already.

        God forgiving means that we have turned away from such things, not instead remaining in that sin, let alone demanding society and its laws conform and pretend it’s no longer sin and this sin is the new accepted reality, while calling all those who dare disagree “pigs” and “bigots”, teaching acceptance of this sinful behavior to everyone’s kids and grandkids as normal. Huge difference.

        We shouldn’t even know about their sex lives – that’s a private thing!

        How is it private when a man publicly demands the world recognize him as a woman, and calls you a pig or a bigot if you do not? It’s false to call that “private”. They’re passing laws forcing society to accept that behavior as normal and acceptable – forcing our kids to learn all about it and accept it as normal. That’s not “private”, but quite the opposite: that’s called oppression and indoctrination of kids.

        How do you treat people who come to your church? Do they have to tell everyone their sins so they can be called names and treated hatefully?

        No, you point out God’s truth that we’re all sinners. If they demand their sins be accepted as normal, no matter what the sin, and that we do not preach God’s truth on the matter, they’re not going to be allowed to stay. Should they be? At churches where people are allowed to live in open rebellion to God, no matter the sin, the church becomes a useless social club, not one being led by God.

        Do we instead teach the lie that God is fine living in sin and we need to force the world to accept those sins and stop pointing out what God says about it, and force everyone’s kids and grandkids to embrace and accept it? No. And this is what we speak out again, for which we are called ‘bigots’ and ‘pigs’ in an attempt to censor Christianity on the matter.

        You can point it out in the most loving way imaginable, and the activists will still call you a “pig” and a “bigot”. We’re kidding ourselves if we pretend they’re only reacting to hate instead of the truth that the behavior is a sin and will be judged for it by God when we each face Him.

        Jesus told us to keep encouraging people to turn to Him and Salvation – including telling them about repenting their sins. How is it encouraging them when they are met with hate every where they turn?

        It’s not hate to point out that Jesus / God calls that sin. So them saying it is doesn’t make it so.

        I do Jesus’ work with love at all times. Never with hate.

        So you agree pretending to be a woman when you’re a man is sin?

        They’d call you a “bigot” and a “pig” (did you read the article?) if you dare point that out, which is what I pointed out that you seem upset about.

        Might I ask where your posts are that point out homosexual behavior is a sin, same-gender ‘marriage’ is a sin, even doing it in ‘a loving way’? Same with transgenderism? It won’t be taken as a “loving way” no matter how it’s worded, but instead you’d be called a bigot and a hater.

        And where DO we draw the line? That’s what Piers was asking, who is not a Christian, because he realizes it’s anti-science indoctrination to force everyone else to accept the claim that belief overrides biological fact.

        So don’t blame them for being hateful to you, because too many ‘Christians’ are hateful to them. I guess you could say they are ‘treating people the way they are being asking to be treated’.

        Why justify the hate the activists use to silence all Christians just because there are some that get hateful?

        And even if you point it out in the most loving way possible, these activists will still call you a “bigot” and a “pig”.

        How is it these activists treat people? They demand everyone conform to their anti-God, anti-Christian make believe worldview of “believing you’re a woman when you’re a man makes you a woman” – they force that indoctrination on everyone else’s kids and grandkids, and it’s anyone, Christian or not, who dares disagree with it that they go after with the utmost of hate.

        The anti-Christian, anti-God train is rolling through America: abortion, homosexuality, transgenderism, same-gender marriage, pro_islam – to defend those who do it while attacking Christians who speak out against this blatant anti-God, anti-Christ indoctrination is not something God would bless.

        Please think again.

  • balloonknot9

    While I do not care for Morgan, his questions are legitimate. There is no reason why there cannot be a social dialogue on this gender issue. Those who found Morgan’s questions bigoted are so afraid to even ask the questions he proposed, find the margins of this trend, and yes like any other new social construct be ready to be challenged.

    I still do not understand what the point is of being non-binary, gender fluid, etc. Is this an attempt to breakdown currently held gender norms? That what makes a male a male, a female a female are not longer going to put into long held norms? To not “judge” people on what gender they are, where girls play with dolls and boys play with trucks, when a child person steps outside those norms? Is this therefore a disguised social justice movement to tear down those gender walls?

    What confuses me is if this is indeed a social justice movement where people want to remove gender identity and all the perceived glass ceilings that they believe inhibits people why do they not have the courage to just be themselves in pursuing what ever path they wish to follow regardless of gender. Why do they need to remove gender in order to feel fulfilled? It seems that because they cannot breakout of their own perception of gender identity as socially defined they have decided to no longer “play the gender game” and expect people/society to agree with that. If one was to really analyze this gender identity construct, and their possible motivations, choosing to be non-binary/gender fluid, it is fruitless to think that people/society are going to change the norms because people don’t want to be a part of those norms. It’s like saying that I no longer identify/recognize crossing signals, and expect traffic to abide by their actions when they decide to camp out in the middle of an intersection.

    At best, these non-binary individuals are indeed the sex/gender they were born into, male and female, who just want to live their lives without restrictions. So go ahead, whose stopping you from being who you are as a male/female. Sounds more like they have the issues with accepting their sex/gender.

  • Nidalap

    Mark 10:6
    But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.

    It’s not complicated. It’s a spiritual compulsion to war against all that God has established.
    You can see the pattern in all this insanity…

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Okay, what if the Bible is wrong?

      • Amos Moses

        bigger question …. what if it is right ….. and YOU are wrong ….. see …. if it is wrong ….. we have lost nothing …… if you are wrong ….. you have lost everything ……

        but hey …. you asked the silly question ………….

        • Nidalap

          Beat me to the punch! 🙂

          • Chris

            Beat you to the punch in dodging the question?

        • Ambulance Chaser

          So neither of you are going to answer the question then. Got it.

          • Parodyx

            Well, to speak to Amos is to speak to God. He’s made that very plain.

          • Amos Moses

            again ….. you just do not like the answer ….. if it is wrong and we are wrong …. we have LOST NOTHING ….. but if YOU are WRONG …….. you lose EVERYTHING …………. Got It? ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, yes, I’m aware. I’ll burn in Hell for all eternity.

            Now, can we get back to the discussion at hand?

          • Amos Moses

            the discussion is over …… i said nothing about hell …… and it is apparent you cannot refute what was answered …… if we are wrong we lose absolutely NOTHING …………….

          • Sisyphus

            The “go to” argument around here. You are going to burn for all eternity in a place of which we have no objective proof, only text that continually begs the question.

          • Bob Johnson

            I hear they have all the great bands, a wonderful buffet, and ever since man invented AC (that’s Air Conditioning) the place is really looking up.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, I very much look forward to the daily AC/DC concerts.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          Pascal’s Wager again? *yawn*

          “if it is wrong ….. we have lost nothing”

          Not necessarily. There’s the possibility that the Bible is wrong, but some other religion/holy book is right.

          • Amos Moses

            well ….. christianity and the scriptures make unique claims that other religions do not ….. and they cant …. and they know they cant …….. so when ever you disprove scripture …. and people smarter than you or i have been trying to do so for THOUSANDS of years ….. maybe you will have a shot ……. not holding my breath ………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “christianity and the scriptures make unique claims that other religions do not”

            Yeah, so? Every other religion makes unique claims, too. That would be why they are “other religions”, after all. Something being a “unique claim” doesn’t mean it’s true.

            “so when ever you disprove scripture”

            You really don’t get how this works, do you? I don’t have to disprove something to not believe in it. If that way of thinking were true, YOU would have to disprove the claims of every other religion in existence to be a Christian. Have you done that?

            Remember after all, there are thousands of gods people have claimed existed. The difference between you and me is, I just believe in one less god than you do.

          • Amos Moses

            “Every other religion makes unique claims, too”

            no they dont ….. they all ask people to do the exact same thing ….. “DO” ……. in christianity ….. IT IS DONE ……..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            So, you’re just telling me about claims Christianity makes that other religion don’t. I wasn’t arguing that. That doesn’t change that other religions make claims that Christianity doesn’t, though.

            I’m an agnostic atheist, and I don’t get “upset over a person being a Christian.” Many people I love and/or respect are Christians. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, “But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” I might get “upset” with you often, but that’s for other reasons….

            What statement of mine is a lie and how so?

          • Amos Moses

            no … they all make the same claims …… and they do not make and cannot make the claims christianity makes ….. and you do not go to Hindu sites to harass Hindus ….. or Muslims ….. or any other religion …… because you christianity is unique …… and exclusive ….. and it gnaws at you ……

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “they all make the same claims”

            No, they don’t. They are different religions. If they made all the same claims, they would be all be one religion. If other religions made the same claims Christianity makes, they would be Christianity.

            You said earlier “every other religion asks people to choose their god”….false, if only because not all religions are theistic. Some religions don’t even have a god.

          • Amos Moses

            “I’m an agnostic atheist”

            contradiction in terms ….. there is a lie right there ………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            That’s a common misconception, but it’s not a contradiction at all. Being agnostic is about knowledge (gnosis) and atheism is about belief. Different things.

            “Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.” (from Wikipiedia)

            “Properly considered, agnosticism is not a third alternative to theism and atheism because it is concerned with a different aspect of religious belief. Theism and atheism refer to the presence or absence of belief in a god; agnosticism refers to the impossibility of knowledge with regard to a god or supernatural being. The term “agnostic” does not, in itself, indicate whether or not one believes in a god. Agnosticism can be either theistic or atheistic.” – George H. Smith

          • Amos Moses

            sure … i dont know if God exists vs. God does not exist ……… so either you know or you dont know ….. but the simple fact is …… you do know …. and you know that you know …. and that is what makes both positions a lie ……….. you suppress the truth in unrighteousness ……. you lie to yourself so that you hide the truth of God from your mind ….. and it is all a lie ……

          • Parodyx

            “but the simple fact is….. you do know”

            It gets very tiresome listening to you tell other people what they believe, Amos. You can’t possibly know these things so let them make their own statements.

          • Amos Moses

            i did not tell you what you believe ….. i told you what you know ………. and if you do not like it ….. there is the door ….. dont let it hit ya where the good Lord (that you deny exists) split ya ……..

          • Parodyx

            The simple fact, Amos, is you know very little. Especially when it comes to other people.

          • Amos Moses

            here is the news to you … i do not have to …..

            “The reason you don’t like the Bible, you old sinner, is because it knows all about you.”

            and all we have to do to know is READ it …………. you are no different than any other man ….. you are subject to the exact same influences as everyone else and the results is exactly the same …………. you AINT SPECIAL …. no one is ………

          • Parodyx

            Ridiculous. Religious snobbery, nothing more. I have read all the major holy books. They are all the same.

          • Amos Moses

            Nope …… “They are all the same.” ….. reading and not understanding …. does not mean much ….. but when you read the bible to confirm what you already want to believe ….. that is what happens ….. you went to God with your idols and all He showed you was your idols and your idolatry …………… thats how it works ….. you never wanted to believe …. and that is what you got …… NUFFIN ……….

          • Parodyx

            Once again you shouldn’t talk about me as though you know me when you don’t. I never had “idols” nor “idolatry” in the first place.

          • Amos Moses

            you are your own idol ….. you brought yourself to the text …. and that is all that He showed you ……… Mans heart is an idol making machine and it is never idle at making idols ….. your idols are your belly … you are driven by your appetites and satisfying those appetites whatever they may be …… and that is all you have in the world ….. your idols and your appetites ……. and when one does not satisfy you any longer ….. you go looking for another ……

          • Parodyx

            I am not my own idol because I do not worship myself. I don’t worship ANYTHING which for some reason is a concept you cannot grasp.

          • Amos Moses

            yeah … you are ….. you love yourself more than any other …….. the concept you do not grasp is that ANYTHING that takes the place of God ….. is an idol ….. and whatever that is that is more important …. constitutes idolatry ………… and your denial of that …… only makes it more true ……….. your APPETITES are your god and your idol ……..

          • Parodyx

            No, Amos, I don’t love or worship myself. And you don’t know me, so you’re taking wild ridiculous shots in the dark. What denomination are you that does this?

          • Amos Moses

            you are the ONLY person you worship …. and you lie to yourself and to others about it to hide it …………

          • Parodyx

            Ridiculous even for you Amos.

            No one, not me nor anyone else, worships themselves.

          • Amos Moses

            EVERYBODY does ……. until they are saved ….. there is no one more important to you … than you ….. and that is worship ………

          • Parodyx

            No, there is absolutely no worship of anything going on in my life. 100% guaranteed.

          • Amos Moses

            so you continue to lie about your worship ……

          • Parodyx

            Are you a troll, is that what’s going on here? I tell you you’re wrong about a guess you’ve made about me and you continue to insist you’re right and I’m wrong, even though you’ve never met me?

          • Amos Moses

            no … you lied …. you are a narcissist …..

          • Parodyx

            You don’t know me, Amos. Give it up.

          • Amos Moses

            really … i would never expect you to admit your narcissism …….. no unregenerate narcissistic person does …… you lie to yourself and suppress the truth in unrighteousness ….. pair of dyx (eyeroll) ……..

          • Parodyx

            You don’t know me Amos, you’ve been told that a thousand times, therefore don’t tell me that you know better than I do about my personal life. I worship nothing.

          • Amos Moses

            ALL men are the unregenerate narcissists and are the same………. pair of dyx ………

          • Parodyx

            According to who? Not anyone I’m interested in listening to.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Sorry, I know what I believe better than you do. Cute job of moving the goalposts, too.

          • Amos Moses

            no …….. i know the lies you speak because i have said them all myself …….. dont try to bovine scat a bovine scatter ………. been there ….. done that …. got the T-shirt …….. try again ……… you suppress the truth in unrighteousness …… you KNOW God exists ….. and you lie to yourself to suppress it ……… ACTIVELY suppress it ………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            No, you might have been lying to yourself, but that doesn’t mean that everyone else is. That’s what I’d call “projection” right there. I’ve even seen atheists saying the same sort of thing about theists, that they really don’t know there’s a god, or something to that effect, but I think saying that is just as wrong.

          • Amos Moses

            yes they do …. when you deny God ….. in the face of every thing …. the only thing you can be doing is suppressing the truth in unrighteousness …. you lie to yourself and then when you think you are convinced ….. you tell that lie to everyone else ……..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Wait then….so why did you say no one can be agnostic and atheist at the same time, when, according to you, no one is either of those things anyway?

            (Maybe I should consider converting to Christianity after all….apparently it gives one the ability to read minds. Even though I never seemed to have that ability when I actually was a Christian.)

          • Amos Moses

            ” when, according to you, no one is either of those things anyway?”

            it is your concept …. it is a lie …. but you cannot explain your lie ….. hmmmmm …. why is that …..

            “Maybe I should consider converting to Christianity after all….apparently it gives one the ability to read minds.”

            mind reading is not what it is ….. knowing men and how they act …. ALL this is in scripture …. and assuming you are not a “bot” …. then you act as everyone else does ….. it is not “rocket science” ………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “it is your concept …. it is a lie …. but you cannot explain your lie ….. hmmmmm …. why is that”

            Nothing I said was a lie, and I thought I explained my beliefs pretty well.

          • Amos Moses

            no … you lie to yourself about the existence of God ……… and that makes you a liar …….

          • Parodyx

            So then you must think that anyone who doubts the existence of God is a liar. That’s an awful lot of liars, isn’t it? I guess it’s just too hard for you to conceive of the possibility that some people really don’t believe there can be a God, right?

          • Amos Moses

            they lie to themselves ….. and then repeat the lie once they have convinced themselves ……. and the definition of a liar is one who lies ……soooooooooo ……….

            “That’s an awful lot of liars, isn’t it?”

            Pretty much includes EVERYONE ………….. EVER ………..

            “I guess it’s just too hard for you to conceive of the possibility that some people really don’t believe there can be a God, right?”

            has nothing to do with belief ….. has to do with the truth ……….. not the same thing …….

          • Parodyx

            People don’t lie to themselves about the existence of God. I personally would love to believe in God, but I can’t. That doesn’t make me a liar. It makes me very honest.

            I can’t say it enough times, but you cannot speak for anyone but yourself. Stop talking on behalf of those you have not met.

          • Amos Moses

            “People don’t lie to themselves about the existence of God.”
            “That doesn’t make me a liar. It makes me very honest.”

            yeah … they do …. they deny His existence so they can then justify what they do to others and themselves …… and no …. lying does not make you honest ………

          • Parodyx

            I’m not lying, everything I’ve said isn’t just the truth but it’s also obviously the truth. You don’t like the fact that I doubt the existence of God so you call me a liar. That’s sad and childish.

          • Amos Moses

            no, no, no ………. you may think it is the truth …… but you have lied to yourself …… and you dont truth liars do you ….. have you EVER …. and i mean EVER told a lie …… you know you have ………… so WHY would you trust yourself as a liar ………….. your perceptions of yourself are out of whack ….. you want to look good to yourself ….. AND TO OTHERS ….. and it is that VANITY and PRIDE that is the issue ….. and why you are a liar ……. and ALL MEN ARE …… because we want others to think well of us ………. vanity and pride …..

            The Ethics of Lying
            People lie for different reasons.
            by Andrea Borghini
            Updated May 18, 2017
            Is lying ever morally permissible? While lying can be seen as a threat to civil society, there seem to be several instances in which lying seems the most intuitively moral option. Besides, if a sufficiently broad definition of “lying” is adopted, it seems utterly impossible to escape lies, either because of instances of self-deception or because of the social construction of our persona. Let’s look more closely into those matters.

          • Parodyx

            I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. I cannot conceive of a God. Like I told you – if I could believe in a God I would, but I can’t. And so you’re calling me a liar for that. There’s no getting through to you. You probably go through life calling everyone a liar, and very few of them are.

          • Amos Moses

            no …. you know there is a God …. you are at enmity with Him and until God intervenes ….. you will never choose Him ……… you will choose to be wicked ……….. and yes …. you are a liar …. you cannot exist in this world and NOT be a liar ….. so we are ALL liars ….. even me … but God intervened ……….

          • Parodyx

            You are not me, Amos; therefore you can’t know what I know.

          • Amos Moses

            God knows all of us and He has told us what men are …… and you are a man ………. it aint rocket science …… and you have fully demonstrated your enmity to God ………. but it could change for you ……..

          • Parodyx

            Irrelevant Amos. You do not know what other people think and believe, and to read any book, even the Bible, is to interpret it. Get those two basic facts down and then we can talk further.

          • Amos Moses

            and i do not have to know how they think and believe ….. God knows and He told us how WE ALL think and believe ….. EVEN YOU ………..

            “to read any book, even the Bible, is to interpret it”

            you may “interpret” whatever you please ……… just not scripture ….. and if you do “interpret” scripture ….. it is NO LONGER scripture ….. it is some garbage you made up on your own ……………

          • Amos Moses

            “You do not know what other people think and believe”

            i do not have to see the sun rise every morning to know it did and why ……….. so wrong ……

          • Parodyx

            Yes, but it’s just insane to claim you know what other people think. You know as well as I do that’s impossible for anybody.

          • Amos Moses

            God knows … God created all of us …. He knows … He told all of us ……….. not impossible for God ………..

          • Amos Moses

            No it is not …. you can expect people to follow their basic nature ….

            One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river. The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn’t see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

            Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

            “Hellooo Mr. Frog!” called the scorpion across the water, “Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?”

            “Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?” asked the frog hesitantly.

            “Because,” the scorpion replied, “If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!”

            Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. “What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!”

            “This is true,” agreed the scorpion, “But then I wouldn’t be able to get to the other side of the river!”

            “Alright then…how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?” said the frog.

            “Ahh…,” crooned the scorpion, “Because you see, once you’ve taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!”

            So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog’s back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog’s soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

            Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog’s back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

            “You fool!” croaked the frog, “Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?”

            The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog’s back.

            “I could not help myself. It is my nature.”

            Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

            we will always act within our nature …………

          • Parodyx

            Your little story illustrates nothing. You cannot know other people’s thoughts or motivations. It is impossible.

          • Amos Moses

            yes you can ….

          • Amos Moses

            well yawn all you want …. you are playing the game in any event ……… good luck on that roulette spin ………

          • http://wideawakechristian.blogspot.com PKAmmoTroop

            Prove that possibility

          • TheKingOfRhye

            What? That doesn’t even make sense to me. How would someone “prove a possibility” that’s a vague hypothesis at best anyway? Prove it’s not a possibility. After all, the believer is the one making the claim so the burden of proof lies on them.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        The Holy Bible is always right in everything. Ex-christian West is the mega proof of that fact for the entire universe to see.

      • Recognizing_Truth

        If the Bible is wrong, then “Nature” made everything and all that exists is simply the result of random collisions, combinations, and separations over eons of time. This includes your brain. The chemical processes of your brain are also the result of random combinations. No “consciousness”, no “thought”, no “reason”, no “purpose” can be determined by any chemical processes and everything you think that you think, or believe that you believe is the result of chemical combinations and byproducts. You are nothing but a mass of cells with no purpose, no rights, no intelligence. There is no “right” and no “wrong”, just randomness that has the illusion of order.

        If the Bible is right, then life is a purposed result of a creator God. And man is made “in the image” of God – with thought, emotion, desire…
        Life has purpose. Intelligence exists because it was given by the Intelligence that created you. Belief is possible, reason is possible, because they are part of the creation which allows us to recognize and interact with expected results in our environment. And, more importantly, if the Bible is right, then there is a definite “right” and a definite “wrong” and the definition of these is determined by the Creator who knows the creation and how it is designed to function – what will cause it to function properly, and what will cause it to break down.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          None of that has anything to do with the topic of discussion.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            You’re the one that asked “what if the Bible is wrong?”
            You then complained no one answered your question.
            Now that it is answered, you’re complaining you don’t like the answer.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, no one has answered. I wasn’t asking in a general sense, I was asking why anyone should care what the Bible says about gender identity, since there’s no reason to think anything in the Bible is particularly accurate.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            And the answer I gave answers your question.

            If the Bible is right, then it matters because the Bible clearly states God’s intent and design in creating them as male and female.

            If the Bible is wrong, then “naturism” is right and NOTHING you or I or anyone says matters because it is only the product or byproduct of randomly accumulated chemical reactions. There is no reason, no intelligence, no thought, just chemical processes.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Which doesn’t answer my question any more than the first time.

          • Sisyphus

            The bible is right because it says it is. Failing of logic and rhetoric from the start.

          • Chris

            Just a few points.
            1) Chemical reactions are not random. They are deterministic.
            2) Your thought processes do involves chemical reactions even if either option is correct.
            3) You are assuming that there are only two choices. What if the bible is wrong but the gathas are right? What if the bible is wrong but the vedas are right? What if the bible is wrong but the sudras are right?

          • Sisyphus

            Evolution built what you think of as intelligence and thought.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            What I think of as intelligence and thought?
            Now that’s rich…

          • Chris

            I can’t help but notice that you didn’t respond to Sisyphus’ points nor mine.

          • Bob Johnson

            “If the Bible is wrong, then “naturism” is right “

            This is binary thinking. Why do you discount Zeus, Odin, Kali, and all the other gods and limit yourself to such a narrow view of the possibilities?

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Because, Bob, there is only one God.

          • Chris

            We know that’s what you believe but a belief is all it is.

      • Sisyphus

        One could also make an argument transgenderism is a type of birth defect. So God has established myriad birth defects? Sounds quite sadistic to me.

      • robinked

        GOD does Not make Mistakes…..

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Well then I guess He didn’t write the Bible because it’s full of mistakes.

          • Last of the patriots

            It doesn’t matter what’s written in the bible, it’s a tool of righteousness to God. You and only you should know right from wrong. That is the spirit of God, guiding you. The world is becoming Sodom and Gomorrah all over again. It’s written in the bible, history is repeating itself, and the unrighteous will be destroyed.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, we’re about ten miles off course at this point, so I’m dropping this.

          • robinked

            Whaaa?????……..sez the Atheist?!???

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, it’s my belief that God didn’t write the Bible because nonexistent beings can’t write things.

          • robinked

            “Nonexistent Beings”…..Ain’t You gonna be in for Big Surprise!! : o

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I’m willing to take that risk.

  • Tree Kangaroo

    A three-year-old can distinguish between a man and a woman, same as you can determine the sex of most mammals in just one look.

    Why is that a liberal with an advanced degree cannot? You think maybe they’re pulling The Emperor’s New Clothes stunt on us?

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Once truth is bent, everyone is a mental slave. Atheists use the tactics everywhere.

    • Recognizing_Truth

      Rejecting truth, allows one to believe – or claim – ANYTHING.

      • Chris

        “Rejecting truth, allows one to believe – or claim – ANYTHING.”

        Describes creationism to a ‘T’. Thank you.

        • Recognizing_Truth

          No problem Chris. If you want to put your belief in a system of unproven and unprovable claims (evolution), then you should have no problem if I put my belief in unproven and unprovable claims (Creation).

          The difference on which is reliable is solely based on the source:
          – evolution from fallible man?
          – Creation from the infallible God?

          I choose the latter.
          Have a great day.

          • Chris

            “If you want to put your belief in a system of unproven and unprovable
            claims (evolution), then you should have no problem if I put my belief
            in unproven and unprovable claims (Creation).”

            Science doesn’t deal in proof. It deals in probability. After 150 years of research the probability for evolution is rather high and is supported by a large amount of evidence from a large number of disciplines.

            “The difference on which is reliable is solely based on the source:
            – evolution from fallible man?
            – Creation from the infallible God?”

            Correction. The concept of creation comes from men too. Who do you think wrote Genesis? Men did. The difference then is in the evidence. Evolution has a lot of evidence in support. Creationism has little to none and is pushed by con men who have been caught in lie after lie.

  • bowie1

    This world has some strange “ducks!”

  • yabruf

    Yeah this is what eventually happens to all society’s overtime the further go get away from God’s moral law.

    All manner of foolishness and sin abound.

    • Sisyphus

      You’ve described a Hegelian Dialectic, as culture begins to realize the antithesis within Christian”morals” that society can move toward a synthesis.

      • Amos Moses

        what that means is …. move away from truth …. never a good move ……..

        • Ken Faivor

          Thanks….I needed that.

        • Sisyphus

          Truth as you see it. Others may make no subscription to your paradise

          • Amos Moses

            nope …. lies …. there is no your truth and my truth …. truth does not change ……

          • Sisyphus

            Who has determined your truth? There is no objective “Truth”. All truth is culturally or existentially determined.

          • Amos Moses

            “Who has determined your truth?”

            false paradigm and a lie ………. there is no such thing …… there is no “your truth” ……

            “There is no objective “Truth”. All truth is culturally or existentially determined.”

            friggin’ MALACKY …… two diametrically opposed positions CANNOT both be true …….. you are a liar ………

          • Jason Todd

            There is no objective “Truth”. All truth is culturally or existentially determined.

            And here we have solid proof what Ron White said is true: You can’t fix stupid.

          • Sisyphus

            Says the person who bases reality on a book of superstition and oppressing free thought.

          • Jason Todd

            Says the man who thinks right and wrong are defined by the individual.

            We have buildings full of people who think like that. They’re called prisons.

          • Sisyphus

            Never been to prison, and don’t need a god or government to impose right and wrong.

          • Jason Todd

            Never been to prison

            Good for you. Wanna cookie?

            and don’t need a god or government to impose right and wrong.

            I know. We have already established you are stupid. Do you have anything substantive to add?

          • Amos Moses

            well since there is no truth ….. your statement is not the truth …………..

          • Sisyphus

            Exactly, if there is truth, it is unknowable.

          • Amos Moses

            no …. that is just what you said ….. and if you are going to be consistent …… all your words are lies ….. truth is knowable ….. you reject truth … as i have always said you did …… and you are now a liar before all men ……….. why should we believe any thing that comes from you …… WE SHOULD NOT …………

          • Recognizing_Truth

            In the absence of objective truth, your claim can have no validity.

            Consider:
            There is no truth, and nothing can be known for sure.
            Are you telling the truth?
            Yes.
            (Cannot be believed because there is no truth)
            Are you sure?
            Yes.
            (Cannot be trusted since in the absence of truth nothing can be known for sure)

            This is why the Bible explicitly states that a fool says in his heart “there is no God” (God is Truth)

          • Sisyphus

            How do you know the Bible or your idea of God represents, or is truth?

          • Amos Moses

            Local Man Absolutely Sure There Is No Such Thing As Absolute Truth
            May 21, 2017

            Stressing that there is “no doubt about it,” local man Sisyphus reported today that he is absolutely sure there is no such thing as absolute truth.

            “All truth is relative—that’s just a fact. All worldviews are equally legitimate, since truth is unquestionably subjective in nature,” he said, adding that it is closed-minded and arrogant to claim to have a monopoly on the truth.

            “No person has the right to question the validity of another’s worldview, since there is unquestionably no such thing as absolute, objective truth,” he explained.

            At publishing time, Sysiphus was debating several people on the internet, doing his best to convince them that what is true for one person might not be true for another.

          • Sisyphus

            I’m going to assume by your typical comments here you are not dense or intellectually challenged; so you must be purposely engaging in intellectual dishonesty. Relative and subjective are not the same thing. Morals, rights and truth have been socially and culturally constructed since human society began, post. Read something once. I have “millennial aged ” students that understand Hobbes, Plato, Locke and Rousseau better than you seem to.

          • Amos Moses

            So 2 + 2 = (whatever i want it to say)

          • Sisyphus

            Conflating mathematics and morals, you’re better than that; or, so I thought.

          • Amos Moses

            truth is truth …… in math or in morals and it does not change just because we do not agree with it ……

          • Sisyphus

            2+2 can be objectively shown to equal four, are you able to cite one objective universal moral truth?

          • Amos Moses

            murder is wrong ……….

          • Sisyphus

            Murder is defined subjectively. Most societies define instances of justifiable, acceptable or “moral” killing. Abortion, war, cops killing, capital punishment…the list continues. A prohibition of killing may be the closest example there is to an objective moral fact, but couldn’t allowing someone to die also be considered killing?

          • Amos Moses

            no it is not subjective ……….. there may be excuse given …… but it is still wrong and has been since time began ……….. ERROR ………….

          • Amos Moses

            Yeah ….. that pretty much REFUTES all of science ……….. good one …

          • Sisyphus

            You seem to be really hung up on gender issues, do you have something you want to share with the group Amos?

          • Parodyx

            And any time anyone asks you to present your proof, you point at your holy book. Convenient but you still have over 35 thousand denominations who cannot agree on what its words mean.

      • Recognizing_Truth

        The problem with Hegel’s dialectic is it does not ever reach synthesis – it always results in circular reason, and results in nothing more than a reversal of positions – the underlying differences (juxtaposed contradictory ideas) trade sides but never go away. (Consider: the poor hate the rich, decide to overthrow them and take their possessions, making them the (now) rich who are hated by the (now) poor, who overthrow them and take their possessions (back), and become the rich who are hated by the poor…)

        Marx and Engel loved this and promoted it because in the end it validates why the State must exist and be the supreme authority. It is elevated above the dialectic and determines all purpose, and individuals are subject to it at all stages – or eliminated.

        In contrast, @yabruf stated a basic truth which cannot be affected by Hegel’s dialectic:
        God – the unique Creator – defines moral law which is built into the creation. Actions and choices have consequences. Man, exercising a part of the creation, choice, rejects the moral law. No synthesis can be obtained because Man cannot become God and set himself up as the supreme authority since God is immutable. The moral law remains, and consequences of violating the law remain. And man, in continuing to choose to reject the moral law becomes more deeply entrenched in deviance from it.

        God has the solution for man’s dilemma. It too is defined, immutable, and has no substitutes:

        For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

        • Sisyphus

          The continuum of the Dialectic is the point, the synthesis becomes a new thesis which results in new and differing antitheses.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Thus it is a tool only of communists and rabble rousers – and is absolutely useless in accomplishing what dialectic is designed to do: determine truth.

          • Sisyphus

            Communists and rabble rousers, oh my, you forgot radicals and social misfits.

          • Bob Johnson

            Radicals and social misfits – you mean like Jesus?

        • Chris

          “God – the unique Creator – defines moral law which is built into the creation.”

          Since you’re calling this staement a ‘basic truth’ that must mean you can prove it. Ergo:
          1) Prove that God exists.
          2) Prove that the existent created anything.
          3) Prove that this existent creative God interacts with His/Her/Its creation.
          4) Prove that the existent, interactive God defines morality.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Chris, I don’t need proof – I walk by faith, not by sight. I can’t give you proof that you will accept as proof because God is a Spirit and cannot be ‘seen’ so unless he again comes to earth, no one can see Him.
            We can feel his spirit, we can believe in his spirit, we can have faith in his spirit but we cannot make the spirit appear for you. It’s our belief that makes us feel that God did all that. We did not require ‘proof’ that we could see. We believed and had faith. Some don’t believe and need to see the proof, but God wants us to take him on faith, not on things we see. It’s in the scriptures, but I know you know that.
            Always good to talk to you Chris. I hope you have a blessed Day!

          • Chris

            “Chris, I don’t need proof – I walk by faith, not by sight.”

            To me that’s fine. But that also means it’s an opinion. Now it may be a true opinion but it remains an opinion.

            My point is that so many people talk like their opinion is obviously true. It isn’t. Until proof is offered an opinion it remains.

            “Always good to talk to you Chris.”

            Thank you. I feel the same.

            “I hope you have a blessed Day!”

            You too.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I guess I’m like that too, although I do try to make it clear that it is my own opinion.
            Thanks Chris. You are a good friend and I appreciate your friendship very much.
            Take care!

          • Chris

            “You are a good friend and I appreciate your friendship very much.”

            I feel the same way.

            “Take care!”
            You too.

  • Amos Moses

    Walter Heyer told WND on Friday that it took him no more than 90 days in 1983 to legally become a woman, but after realizing his “sex reassignment surgery” was a grave mistake he was confronted with a judiciary stacked with activist judges who share a secularist ideology.

    “You say you are a transgender and you go to the courts and say you want to change from male to female, they think you are perfectly sane – that you are just fine,” he said. “If you go back to court, and this is what many of the de-transitioners – what we laugh about is, if you say you want to de-transition, everybody thinks you are nuts. So you are perfectly sane to be transgender, but you are nuts if you don’t want to be.”

    i am not going insane ….. i am going sane in an insane world ………….

  • Lia

    Regardless of weather you agree with Morgan or not, there are still nicer ways to speak to people. They are still human and just like a religion, their gender identity is something they believe in. They have put themselves out there and worked hard to make themselves into someone who makes them comfortable and happy. You don’t have to agree with them, you don’t have to accept them, but you can’t just tell them everything that they believe is invalid or some kind of joke. There are ways to ask questions that at least respect their lifestyles and beliefs.

    • yabruf

      Not even close. Comparing a religion has nothing to do with comparing a couple of perverts.

      I bet you are one of those clueless idiots that try to equate being a homosexual with someone’s skin color.

      *New flash* Sexual deviancy is not a religion, it’s a perversion of reality!

      • Lia

        I wasn’t saying it was a religion I was just making a comparison to other opinions that people have controversy over.
        Its not the same thing at all as race or something we are born as but I simply meant it’s an opinion/lifestyle that these people have, the way that they believe and even if you don’t agree with them, there’s no need to completely make fun of them, they are HUMAN same as you and I.
        Also, *news flash* for you, what makes this preverted? Hm? They aren’t hurting anyone or abusing anyone. They are just wearing different clothes and asking to go by different pronouns, which you are allowed to disagree with but that doesn’t make them perverts! They aren’t even homosexuals if that is your issue! gender expression is an entirely different thing from sexuality, and factually speaking one has the sex of a male and one has the sex of a female so technically this is a heterosexual couple.

      • Chris

        “Comparing a religion has nothing to do with comparing a couple of perverts.”

        So you’re saying fundies shouldn’t be considered religious? After all their ego-worship and arrogance is perverted.

      • Parodyx

        They are not perverts.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Liberals have no logic to start with. So happy Britain stopped producing paper encyclopedia. Poor trees on Planet Earth could never keep up with all the mentally ill changes in English grammar. And Mr. Morgan insulted black women and elephants… ID should be claimed by the genuine entities alone and by no one else. What have happened to the Christian West’s quest for the objective truth? Sad. Can the Russians feel like American and possess the land of America?

    People should seek the objective truth and live it out. The West is being bored for having no crisis upon a suffering planet. The Church is facing the mentally ill West and murderous pagans at the same time this century. Barbarism and errors must get fixed by the Church to protect defenseless humans. American men should not be feminized but live up their fathers’ mission, protecting the truth and honor and morality. If man does not live for the glory of God, he ends up living beneath animals.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    A society needs virgin brides to be normal again… It all comes down to it.

  • Recognizing_Truth

    It doesn’t take all that much “reason” to recognize something that is foolish and deluded is, well, foolish and deluded.
    If you start claiming that you’re something you obviously aren’t (I’m Abraham Lincoln, I’m Napoleon, I’m gender unspecified, I’m a pink pachyderm) it’s not reality. It’s not a “choice”. It’s a psychotic delusion. It needs treatment, not enablement.

    Telling someone the truth is not “hate”.
    Helping someone live a delusion is not “love”.

    • Sharon_at_home

      Telling someone the truth should not be done in a hateful manner then. Too many people act like one sinner is worse than the other instead of believing God when he said no sin is greater than another. I don’t like the way some of them act like the sinner is disgusting when they are trying to bring them to Jesus. If you are telling someone the ‘truth’ with love you aren’t speaking in a demeaning way, and approach them with your love in a loving manner! Not with hate in your voice because that takes it beyond love and puts it into hate. If you approach these people with a bad attitude, they will never know the love of Jesus or hear about His Salvation plan. People don’t want to hear they are condemned to hell, and then told there is another way. They want to hear about the love and then when they have learned about Jesus and salvation and repenting, they will desire to repent of their sins because of their love of Christ, not because someone said they hated the sin, but made it sound like they hate the sinner. Their desire to repent must be made from the heart, not because just because they don’t want to go to Hell.

      • Amos Moses

        telling them the truth ….. in whatever manner ….. is often perceived as hate ……

        • Sharon_at_home

          Yes especially when the person who is “telling them their personal truth” put hate into the words they use against the person. that is not love. It is not hate of the sin. It is hate of the sinner for being a sinner. The way you and Grace talk to people about their sins is hateful not loving. I think your love is only perceived as hate because of your own attitudes in telling them of their sin. You especially Amos think you are above them because you have ‘received’ salvation even though God said he wants everyone to turn to Jesus. They are not less than you are!! Stop acting with such pride and arrogance or God won’t allow you salvation because of it.
          BTW it is only with the baptism of fire that you are truly saved, according to scripture. So if you have not been given the Holy Spirit by fire baptism you Can Still be refused Salvation if you are sinning without repentance. Consider, if you will, the person that has been given a water baptism that eventually give up their religious beliefs and is a sinner without repentance from that point on. Do you think God is going to let that person into heaven because he once believed? Not likely. Without the baptism of fire, the holy spirit helps direct you but it doesn’t give you the power of the Holy Spirit to do things of God. Just the direction to keep you on the road to salvation. otherwise if you change your beliefs, you lose your salvation. If you don’t repent of your sins, you lose salvation. So yes, you can lose your salvation if it is only by water baptism.
          Lacking repentance of sin will make anyone lose their salvation.
          Lacking repentance for acting in a hateful manner is a sin too.
          You can convince yourself of whatever you want Amos. You can feel that you are acting out of love, but God will know no matter what you do to try to hide it. So acting out of love should NOT be perceived as hate. It should be perceived as someone who cares enough to talk to you about your sin, not someone who is only about the sin, and not the person themselves.

          • Amos Moses

            no …….. those who cannot hear the truth hear hate …. it matters no to them if it is truth or not ………

            “The way you and Grace talk to people about their sins is hateful not loving”

            so tell me …. did Christ ever preach and have the disciples walk away forever ….. never to return …..

          • kenster777

            Yes read John Chapter 6 specifically verse 52-66.
            But our answer should be the same as Peters was in verse 67-68.
            Parable of the sower is another Good example of someone falling away.
            Also Paul wrote in Roman’s Chapter 11 you are the branch grafted in take heed less you fall like the Israelite.
            The Book of Revelations speaks to Christians in the church to overcome and endure till the end.

          • Amos Moses

            the issue was not prayer ….. i have no problem with that …… adoption is permanent …. it cannot be lost …… you cannot be disowned ….. you can be a false convert …. a never was ………

          • kenster777

            I was not talking about prayer.
            The parable of the sower speaks of those who receive the word, but later reject through the cares of this world, indifference, or satan causes them to fall.
            Adoption goes both ways, you can reject the one who adopted you but the consequences would be costly.
            If you can quote me a verse that says once saved always saved.
            A disciple is called to follow the word, take up his cross and follow him.
            Jesus said many are called few are chosen. Matthew 7:21.
            Also John 6 says they were his disciples verse 66.
            Also remember Matthew 7:22 says they cast out demons in his name also did many mighty works.
            Romans 11:21- 22 says take heed

            Satan walks about seeking whom he can devour is not talking about non-believers but believers.

          • Amos Moses

            yeah … i got that …. Peter was the prayer ……. it is not possible to jump in and out of salvation ……. those who we perceive to do so ….. were never saved from the beginning …. and it is not once saved always saved …… the elect were saved from the foundation of creation ………

            6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
            6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
            6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
            6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
            6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
            6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

            Again …. John ….
            6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
            6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
            6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
            6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

          • kenster777

            So basically we agree that like in Matthew 24:9-14 it is he that endures to the end shall be saved.

            that is the only assurance of you being one of God’s elect besides Roman’s 10:9-11.
            I didn’t say you can jump in and out.
            John 6:3-4 does say a person can be saved and lose it.
            In order to be enlightened you have to partake of salvation.
            I don’t get the Buh Bye thing sounds kind of callous.
            Jesus even asked his Apostles will you also leave, very solemn question.
            II Peter 1:9 says to make our calling and election sure.
            That is a daily thing

          • Amos Moses

            “I don’t get the Buh Bye thing sounds kind of callous.”

            well if they “fell away” … and there is no getting back in ….. and Christ is King and not a beggar ….. it is …. BUH bye ……….

            “Jesus even asked his Apostles will you also leave, very solemn question.”

            YUP …. and the answer was “Where are we going to go” ……….. or maybe more accurately ….. “Where else is there to go” …..

            “II Peter 1:9 says to make our calling and election sure.”

            YUP …. as the entire epistle was addressed to “them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:” …. i.e. The elect …… “1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.” … not quite seeing that ….. but sure ….

          • Amos Moses

            there were numerous others …. Christ did not then run after them and yell “Hey, i was kidding, come on, cant you take a joke, that whole eat my flesh and drink my blood, i was not serious” ………….. nope ….. it was see ya …. BUH-Bye ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            yes actually he did have multiple disciples leave him and give up following him. I would have to look for the scripture, but I’ll be happy to do that if you are really interested.

          • Amos Moses

            so then Christ did not go chasing after them ….. nor was He concerned if His preaching, His word turned them away ……….. and it is not our problem if the unsaved reject Him ….. and it is not up to us to chase after them either ……… John 6 BTW ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            But they must be told about salvation. it isn’t only about people who have felt the love of God and then rejected it. It’s about everyone because Jesus said he wants ALL to come to salvation.

            Do you really think that God won’t forgive someone for leaving the faith, and then coming back and asking forgiveness? Really? Wow
            I have never said we should “chase” them. I said we should talk to them and encourage them to come to Jesus, how does that infer that I am chasing them? Even if they have learned and still rejected the Gospel, Jesus will accept them if they change their mind and that is what he said about many unbelievers turning to Salvation in the end days.

            The thing is, Jesus will not refuse to forgive someone with a heart that is sincere about their desire for God and Salvation even if they lose their faith for a little because he knows that is a human fault, and because He is all about forgiveness and he wants all to come to him.

            It is different than being belligerent towards God and telling Him that they hate the whole idea of Salvation. Being hateful to God is not something he will tolerate, but, reasonably, he won’t want anyone to not be saved, and that would mean that he won’t forgive you and that is not what God is all about. If you ask forgiveness for anything that you sincerely are contrite about – God will know the honesty of your heart and forgive you if your heart is in the right place (again). Otherwise, how is he going to get as many as possible to salvation?
            Think about it.

          • Amos Moses

            “But they must be told about salvation.”

            THEY WERE DISCIPLES ……. and they LEFT ….. because they could not hear the truth He told them …………. and He let them go ….. and the problem is NOT our presentation …. CHRIST PRESENTED IT to them …… they rejected the truth because the TRUTH WAS NOT IN THEM …………..

            8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
            8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
            8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
            8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

          • Amos Moses

            Did Christ accept EVERY PERSON who came to Him and NEVER discouraged any of them ………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Yes I think he did accept everyone who came to him and I don’t recall him ever discouraging anyone. He stated that he wants all to come to Salvation, so that kind of tells us that he would accept everyone. If he discouraged anyone other than the scribes and the pharisees, I’d like to see the scripture, so I can read about the circumstances if he did. Understanding what he said, and why he said it is essential when understanding the Gospel and about Salvation.
            Can you give me the book chapter and verse that shows Jesus discouraged anyone from coming to Salvation?

          • Amos Moses

            “Yes I think he did accept everyone who came to him and I don’t recall him ever discouraging anyone.”

            again ….. John 6 and the disciples who left …. they left because of the truth He told them ….. and they said …… “this is a hard saying” and murmured among themselves ….. what about the rich nobleman …. in Matthew …..

            19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
            19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
            19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
            19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
            19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
            19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

            So He has by His words and His teaching repelled many of the unworthy …… Gods word does not return void ….. it either draws or it repels ……. we do not have the option of altering it to what we think it should do ………..

          • Amos Moses

            “BTW it is only with the baptism of fire that you are truly saved, according to scripture.”

            so when Christ was baptized ….. where was the fire ………. and when you were “baptized by fire” ….. how many 3rd degree burns did you get …… you are trying to build a theology out of less that half a line of scripture …… very poor exegesis ……….

            FYI ….. fire in never a good thing in scripture ……….

            Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
            Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

            the fire burns the “unfruitful” and the “chaff” which would be the false believers and the false converts ……… in other words ….. sinners who have not come to true repentance and still hold onto their sins ……….

            A Lutheran, a Calvinist and a man from IHOP were arrested. They were tried and found guilty and were to be executed.
            As they were being marched out for execution, the captain of the guard told them if they could sum up their denomination in one word and yell it out, the execution would be set aside.
            The Lutheran was marched up to the wall and as the captain said “ready, aim,…” the man yelled “JUSTIFICATION” and the captain let him go.
            The Calvinist was marched up to the wall and as the captain said “ready, aim,…” the man yelled “PREDESTINATION” and the captain let him go.
            The man from IHOP was marched up to the wall and as the captain said “ready, aim,…” the man yelled “FIRE”.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You REALLY don’t know your gospel Amos.
            Luke 3:16
            “I baptize you with water; but he who is mightier than I is
            coming, the thong of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie; he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.”
            I don’t think it can be made any clearer.

            Do you really think God would use a fire that would hurt us?

            The Holy Spirit is what gives us the powers to work with/for God. Powers like healing, and prophecy for instance, cannot be done without baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are listen in the Gospel too.

            You are just a twit if you think that God would use real fire when giving us the Holy Spirit. Do you think so little of God that you believe He would hurt people when He’s giving them His spirit to use for good?

            You should get to know the Lord better. Try reading the Gospel, since it is the main thing that God wants for us. Especially for Gentiles like me, who only have to follow what Jesus said in the Gospel.

          • Amos Moses

            “You REALLY don’t know your gospel Amos.
            Luke 3:16
            “I baptize you with water; but he who is mightier than I is
            coming, the thong of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie; he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.”
            I don’t think it can be made any clearer.”

            out of context and stripped of any meaning ….. i gave it to you IN CONTEXT and you reject it ….. the PARALLEL is in Matthew 3 ….. and you are torturing scripture to fit your idolatry …………..

            try giving THE WHOLE SCRIPTURE in CONTEXT ….. 3:15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not;
            3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
            3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

          • Sharon_at_home

            No Amos, you have been taught differently than I have and you just don’t like the way I’ve been taught.
            Our conversation about baptism with the Holy Spirit and fire and both our scriptures say the same thing.
            He did give them the Holy Spirit while He was on the earth, but He only gives it to the people who believe and who He feels is giving the control of their lives into His hands.
            He no longer gives it to multitudes of people. He gives it to the ones who He wants to for whatever reason He wants. He does not have to tell us what the reason is either. It’s about our faith in Him.
            Your point was that when Christ talked about baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, that those people would be burned by the fire. I was correcting you on that. You even mentioned 3rd degree burns.
            I gave you the scripture that talks about the second baptism of Holy Spirit and Fire. How is that twisting the scriptures? Must I put the whole chapter in a post to show the context when you are quite capable of looking it up yourself? All I did was show you proof that Jesus did say He would baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire, which came after the baptism of water. That’s all Amos. I didn’t get into anything but proved you were wrong, and I explained what the Holy Spirit with fire meant.
            You really have to stop making me out to be some sort of devil. there is nothing I say that isn’t in the bible – usually from the Gospel. I am not twisting His Word, I am telling you what I was taught about it.
            IMO you twist scripture to show Jesus as a terrible hateful God who wants all sinners to be hated by us too. HE NEVER SAID FOR US TO PUNISH FOR SINS. He said He would punish them for their sins if they did not turn away from them. OUR job is to help encourage them by telling them about the Gospel, Jesus, His Love, and His Salvation plan. Not to punish the sins, after all we are all sinners and that would mean we would have to be punished here on earth too, rather than ask for forgiveness. That’s everyone not just Christians.
            Stop telling everyone to be hateful and punish people that you know their sin, because that is no way close to what Jesus wants.
            Christians don’t hate other people. We don’t want the sinner to continue their sin, but we don’t hate the person. You act like you hate the sinner not just the sin, and by the way you talk, you want to punish them for their sins by being demeaning and hateful, and making them feel bad about themselves, not just about their sin. If you are truly follow Christ, you will stop being hateful and be more loving to everyone not just those you deem as ‘good enough’.
            I’m sorry you are not able to open your mind to what I am telling you Amos, but I am following what Jesus told us to do, not what a man (priest) tells you to do, because obviously the man is not telling you the whole story about Jesus. Either that or he is twisting the scriptures.

          • Amos Moses

            Matthew 3 is quite clear as to what it means ……. it is not about what i have been taught ….. it is WHAT DO THE SCRIPTURES SAY ……… what do the SCRIPTURES teach ……..

            3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
            3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
            3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

          • Sharon_at_home

            But your interpretation is not what I have been taught about the way Jesus wants us to behave. That’s the only thing that matters Amos. If you don’t follow Jesus and love people and treat them well, you are going against what Jesus taught. That is why Jesus came down to die for us and be on earth for a while. He taught the multitudes what they should be like, and we are to follow what He taught. Why do you not understand that.
            I’m concerned with the ones that there is a possibility of being saved, and according to Jesus that is anyone on earth up to the end.

            You do realize that last verse is about the punishment He will be giving them when it is Judgement Day, not while we are on earth, right?

          • Amos Moses

            “But your interpretation”

            NO ….. interpretation is ADDING to SCRIPTURE ….. we are forbidden from doing that ……… i did not interpret anything …… i QUOTED you the SCRIPTURE ………….

            Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Galatians 1:8-9, 2 Peter 1:19-21, Revelation 22 18-21

      • Recognizing_Truth

        Actually, God did not say ‘no sin is greater than another’. Look through Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers – and you’ll see that different sins required different offerings and different punishments were meted out based on the crime. In the New Testament, sexual sin is stated as being greater because it defiled both the outside and the inside of a person.

        Nevertheless, I applaud your statement and the heart from which it comes – teaching the truth in love is essential .

        • Sharon_at_home

          I really appreciate you letting me know. I will have to figure out where I heard it lol! My church believes if it is not in the bible, it’s not Truth, so I do try hard to say what the Word says. I am new if you consider 8 years and new. 🙂 But I’ve learned a lot in those years and try hard to help others understand what Jesus wanted for us.
          Thanks again, and God Bless!!

          • Recognizing_Truth

            No worries. I applaud and appreciate your heart, your concern for the lost, and your desire to know and profess Truth.

          • Chris

            Ah, but you have to first know it before you can teach it.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            That would certainly be ideal – for both the teacher and the listener.

          • Chris

            Well actually no. If the listener already knew the truth there would be little reason to listen would there?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you I always like encouragement when I am trying to teach people about the Lord. Some people here seem to think I’m trying to make people believe the wrong thing, so I always appreciate the encouragement and the support of other people.
            God Bless!

  • Robert Briggs

    Poor kids, this is utter nonsense and nothing less than rebellion against the created reality and if we buy into it we are as nuts as they are. Utter lunacy and just people behaving foolishly. A boy and a girl refuse to identify as a male and female and we don;t tell them to stop being silly. Suicides are due to their mental insanity that needs to be treated. I don’t admire them I pity them. They are totally lost. It is just another element of the sexual depravity of our culture.

  • Last of the patriots

    These people are sick, Plain and Simple! Why are people in the world letting these mentally ill people spread thier evil. It don’t matter in the End. It’ll be to late for them, but the sane people of the world need to be righteous to the the Lord. And fight for God. The only thing these kids need, is counseling and a proper education about God. Apparently there upbringing was against God

  • Al Berglund

    Everyone from that is 3 years or older knows there are only two genders, unless you are an ultra-liberal. And the Bible does teach that God made us male and female (Genesis 1:27, 5:2), which was confirmed by Jesus (Matthew 19:4, Mark 10:6). But for those who refuse to believe the Bible, science also has confirmed that there are only two genders.

    Science, specifically genetics, has shown that all humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes stored in the nucleus of their cells:
    One member of each pair of chromosomes is inherited from the father.
    The other member of each pair of chromosomes is inherited from the mother.
    For chromosome pairs 1-22 there is no difference between males and females.
    Chromosome pair 23 is radically different for males and females: Females have two X chromosomes; Males have an X chromosome paired with a much smaller Y chromosome.

    So according to science, gender in the human race is this: There are only two genders, male and female. Only one male and one female (a father and a mother) are needed to reproduce.
    So, even if there were or could be more than these two genders, they are not needed to continue the human race.

    Each person is born either male or female and nothing can change that. Surgery does not change your 23rd chromosome pair stored in the nucleus of your cells. Taking hormones does not change your 23rd chromosome pair stored in the nucleus of your cells. How you feel at any time does not change your 23rd chromosome pair stored in the nucleus of your cells. Saying you are a female when you were born a male or vice versa does not change your 23rd chromosome pair stored in the nucleus of your cells. Changing your name, legally or not, to a name of the opposite gender does not change your 23rd chromosome pair stored in the nucleus of your cells. When political activists who call themselves scientists but are actually attempting to hijack science say that there are more than two genders, or even that gender is a spectrum (a condition that is not limited to a specific set of values but can vary, without steps, across a continuum), this does not change the scientific fact that all humans are either male or female based on their 23rd chromosome pair stored in the nucleus of their cells.

    In summary, according to science nothing can change your gender; you are either a male or a female.

    But of course the Bible said this all along.

  • Sorceress

    There are two genders. Male. Female. Anything else is just someone playing a game and dressing up as someone or something they are not. Unless you are one of the excessively rare individuals who are born with extra sets of genes or two different sets of genitals (when I say excessively rare I mean EXCESSIVELY RARE), you are merely a male or a female. You can mutilate your body to your heart’s content and flood it with hormones, but your genetic code will determine what your gender is from the day you were conceived until the day you die. Anything else is mental illness or attempts to be trendy. That’s science. That’s fact.

    • Bob Johnson

      I don’t think you have the science quite right and I’m sure many scientists disagree with your understanding of physiology. I wish axelbeingcivil were still posting here, I’m sure he would have a long list of references for you.

  • http://wideawakechristian.blogspot.com PKAmmoTroop

    I hate to agree with Piers but he is right and it is a legitimate question – can he self identify as a black woman? Fox and Owl sat there on his set and defended his right to identify as a woman by their actions, and on December 22, 2016 Barack Obama said “Well, part of my understanding of race is that it’s more of a social construct than a biological reality.” so Piers can claim to be any sex and any race he wants and he can do this by the left’s own standards

  • Randolph Reynoldson

    As it was in the days before the flood….eating, drinking, giving in marriage, etc. Then the flood came upon them and took them all away.

  • BeBeX

    Barbara Walters started all this when she would ask her quests, “If you could be a tree, what kind of tree would you be?”

  • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

    Interesting. Morgan places black women in the same category as elephants. The answer to his question is that, yes, he could identify as a black woman, if he truly feels that that is what he is–but, of course, he’d have to show some genetic connection with African Americans. But the elephant bit, of course, is just plain stupid and ignorant.

    His question does, however, identify him as an ignorant, poorly educated, white racist, in tune with far too many fundamentalist Christians and non-American fundamentalist Muslims (like ISIS). It fits, as well, with the statistics that show a majority of fundamentalist/evangelical Christians voted and continue to support and completely accept Donald Trump who is as far from the admonitions of Jesus as one can get.

    Can evangelical Christians not accept that they can believe anything they wish and worship anyway they wish in the U.S. and revel in that right, but not insist everyone else in our nation must bend to their beliefs? But, Muslim nations, which they despise for their lack of personal and religious freedom, institute the very laws and restrictions that Fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. want to impose on America. How much sense does that make?

  • johninnil

    These people prove the point that they are confused with whether they are male of female. Just look at how they stutter when asked questions. They can’t give a solid answer. They just keep quoting what they want to hear. The bottom line is now that science has allowed for switching genders gays want to become the opposite sex to make themselves feel better. They demand that we go along with their delusion.

  • Fee

    I’m impressed that Piers Morgan said what he said, because he tends to be quite liberal. I agree with him totally. This is all ridiculous, as well as demonic, and getting out of hand.