Parents Sue San Diego School District Over ‘Initiative to Combat Islamophobia’

SAN DIEGO, Calif. — Six parents and two non-profit organizations have filed a lawsuit against the San Diego Unified School District to challenge the implementation of a new “initiative to combat Islamophobia” in schools.

“Students of all faiths face daily bullying, but instead of protecting all religious students, the school district has selected Muslim students to receive special protection and resources,” Frank Xu, president of San Diego Asian Americans for Equality, one of the plaintiffs in the case, told reporters.

According to reports, the district voted 4-0 in April to implement a program/policy to address the bullying of Muslim students in schools. It worked with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to obtain input on the various concerns and solutions to the problem.

Plans include ensuring Muslim holidays are marked on calendars, reviewing books in school libraries that center on Islamic culture, providing training and materials for staff, creating “safe spaces” for Muslim students, and adding to current lessons about Islam to social studies classes.

After word of the initiative startled some on social media and conservative outlets, the district created a page on its website to defend its plans and bring clarification to the concerns.

“This initiative to combat Islamophobia is focused on promoting awareness and understanding among students of different cultures, with the intent of eliminating the fear faced by children,” it wrote.

“The district takes seriously the bullying of any student, and we have programs and procedures already in place to address bullying. The reason we are calling particular attention to the bullying of Muslim students at this time is that we have received reports from students and families who have expressed concerns about the safety of their students,” the district said.

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It asserted that it was not promoting Islam and that it does not teach or endorse any particular religion.

However, on May 22, the Freedom of Conscience Defense Fund filed a legal challenge against the initiative on behalf of the groups Citizens for Quality Education and Asian Americans for Equality, as well as six parents in the district. It asserted that instead of enacting a program to target bullying in general—no matter what the reason—the school has elevated Islam by singling it out for the effort.

“Defendants do not have any pedagogical basis to collaborate with a religious organization to enact, implement, and enforce policies, practices, and acts that favor a particular religious sect. Therefore, Plaintiffs object to the use of taxpayer funds to enact, implement, and enforce the Anti-Islamophobia Initiative,” the suit reads in part.

“Defendants have specifically targeted religion for disparate treatment and have established policies, practices, and acts that permit Muslim students to gain special access to Defendants’ religion-based anti-bullying / anti-discrimination forum, while denying non-Muslim students access to the same forum,” it wrote.

The Plaintiffs also contend that working with CAIR constitutes an impermissible government entanglement with religion.

“Plaintiffs do not wish for their children, as non-Muslims, to be accused of bias and bullying by the School District and CAIR if they express viewpoints or beliefs that may conflict with the School District’s and/or CAIR’s arbitrary, de facto interpretations of ‘bias’ and ‘bullying,'” the suit further outlines.

While the district has declined to comment on pending litigation, Board President Richard Barrera defended the plan in an op-ed for the San Diego Union-Tribune entitled “In taking stand against hate, San Diego Unified exemplifies civility.”

“Teaching students about different cultures and religions is not a violation of the First Amendment,” he said. “Teaching tolerance is the best way to protect the First Amendment, and tolerance is at the heart of San Diego Unified’s work to protect all students.”

“To provide all our students with the opportunities they deserve, San Diego Unified will continue its work to protect all our students from bullying. The volume of hate mail and mean-spirited online posts is proof this work is both necessary and right. If adults in our community feel comfortable attacking public employees for trying to protect children, just imagine what those children must be facing from their own peers,” Barrera asserted.


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  • Amos Moses

    “Teaching tolerance is the best way to protect the First Amendment”

    “tolerance” is the reason the first amendment is under attack …………………

    • TheLastHonestLawyer

      Bollocks.

    • Al

      Tolerance for our sworn enemies?

      • Amos Moses

        it is the sworn enemy of the truth ……….

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Who are our sworn enemies and who swore it?

        • Chris

          There is no reasoning with a paranoid.

        • Swed.

          Seems anyone in the BAR to start.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I don’t know what the “BAR” is. Do you mean the Bar, as in, all lawyers? All lawyers are sworn enemies of America? 😀

        • Al

          Gosh are you dense.. You never heard about them dancing in the streets shouting “Death to America”?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Which “them” are you referring to? Are people who danced in the streets shouting “death to America” being granted visas? How do you know this?

      • Chris

        Yep. I believe it went ‘But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children
        of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the
        good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

        • Al

          Nice but do not lay down your arms for them. Jesus said if you don’t have a sword sell your cloak and buy one.

          • Chris

            And when peter used his Jesus said ‘those who live by the sword will die by the sword.’

  • Trilemma

    They should put all the phobias in one class, Islamophobia, transphobia, homophobia, Christophobia, etc…

    • Al

      A phobia is a fear. I’m not afraid just pissed.

      • Chris

        Yep. Very believable. You’re raving about the long term plans of mulsims. How many Muslims do you actually know? How much concrete evidence do you have?

        • Swed.

          Read history, study the Koran, the facts still stand.

          • Chris

            I have a degree in history. I’ve got a copy of the Quran even though I’m a Zoroastrian. And all you’ve provided is opinion NOT facts.

          • Swed.

            Provided the FACTS, you ignored them, no surprise there.

            So McDonalds or Burger king still hiring history majors?

            Stop wasting everyone’s time here.

          • Chris

            “Provided the FACTS, you ignored them, no surprise there.”

            No. You’ve provided opinion and I’ve read quotes from the Quran. That’s it. I’ve demonstrated by quoting the bible that many books can have rather violent passages.

            What matters is contet and the history of those verses interpretation.

            “So McDonalds or Burger king still hiring history majors?”

            You’re projecting. 🙂 I’m a teacher.

            “Stop wasting everyone’s time here.”

            I couldn’t agree more. You should,

          • Jarold

            Congrats on your degree, but if I were you, I would ask for my money back.
            You clearly have no idea how to conduct unbiased research on these topics, and you can’t form your own opinions, you use others and cast them as your own.

          • Chris

            “You clearly have no idea how to conduct unbiased research on these
            topics, and you can’t form your own opinions, you use others and cast
            them as your own.”

            I haven’t given an opinion on this topic yet. All I’ve done is critique yours.

      • Trilemma

        Sounds like you’re pissed because people don’t share your Islamophobia.

        • Al

          When a people want us dead because their pagan god wants us dead. I take heed. You want to turn your back on them do so. The ONE TRUE God commanded us “Do not kill”. Self defense is not murder. Go give your Islam friends big hugs.

          • Trilemma

            Do you believe every single Muslim on the entire planet wants to kill you? If self defense is not murder are you okay with Muslims defending themselves?

          • Al

            Defending themselves.. YES.

          • Trilemma

            Even when they’re defending themselves against Americans?

          • Al

            A good American isn’t going to threaten young girls or any male non- threatening people. They (even muslims) have a right to defend themselves. I’m a Christian who has no desire to kill but will in self or families defense.

          • Trilemma

            Good Americans are killing hundreds if not thousands of Muslim young girls and male non-threatening people.

  • Mr Cleats

    Kiss their behinds in the hope they will execute you last.

    Good luck with that.

    The Muslims could only have contempt for liberals – useful idiots.

    • Chris

      Anything like your contempt?

      • commonsense4sure

        Chris – he’s a realist who speaks the truth – you need to learn history and about their methods…. before it’s too late!

        • Chris

          He’s a fundie who’s opinion drip with contempt. Why is contempt justified because it’s against people with whom you disagree?

          • Al

            I disagree with people who want me dead.

          • Chris

            What has expressions of contempt got to do with you disagreeing with someone?

          • Sharon_at_home

            SMH

      • Tom Winegar

        Truth doesn’t meet the threshold of contempt. Muslims have made their intentions clear, murder of non believers by their terrorist wing and casual indifference by the so-called peaceful wing.

        • Franie

          PRECISELY!!!

        • Chris

          “Truth doesn’t meet the threshold of contempt.”

          A sentence, true or not, can be said contemptuously or kindly. AI has written in a contemptuous manner.

        • Sharon_at_home

          You know what? It’s only ISIS that follows that idea. Most Muslims do not even read the parts that suggest death to the unbelievers, but are all about the part that is about loving others, doing good to people, and helping and caring for the underdogs.

          How about you? You obviously don’t treat people like you want to be treated. Or care about others. Or want to help others that are in a new country – which is like a whole different world to them. For that matter you sound like you think you are superior to them.

          If you are Christians you are sinning by treating them like this. As well as for the sin of Gossip since you are spreading lies rather than confirmed facts.

          Jesus wants us to love each other and that means EVERYBODY, not just the people you like. It’s part and parcel of our Salvation along with repentance. Think about it and you’ll realize that what you are doing is a sin against the Lord.

          • Franie

            FYI Sharon. Muslims are taught in their madrases where they do indeed learn word for word, to memorize the entire Qur’an. Why do you think they pray to their god five times daily? They’re rehearsing those passages from their holy book. Really, you do need to wake up from that lala land reality you’ve surrounded yourself with. Get a grip on reality for if you don’t, it WILL KILL YOU!!!

          • Sharon_at_home

            You still have not answered whether you are a Christian. Are you? Or are you here just to be saying things that you think are the truth, but are not. I look forward to your answer.

          • Franie

            Whether I’m a Christian or not, that is not the issue here. I do not bear “false witness”, and as such, I don’t say things that I “THINK” are the truth. You speak like someone whose head is buried in the sand. If I’m not mistaken, I would guess you to be a godless individual, or at best, a ‘hot tub Christian’. Most liberals are, you know. Being a “bleeding heart liberal” is a dangerous and morally unbalanced way to be and to live. When Muslims come into a country, they profess to be the “religion of peace”. When they get to be about 15% of the population, they start to insidiously change our laws by infiltrating into public office. When they get to be @40% of the population, that’s exactly when they demand sharia law be implemented, and they riot and rape and pilfer the inhabitants of that country. We see that now in various European countries. Look at Minneapolis, MN and Dearborn, MI. They have implemented sharia law in their communities. To date, we have over 22 Muslim no-go zones here in our country throughout 9 states, maybe even more by now.

          • Sharon_at_home

            It’s interesting that that information has never shown on this News Site or any other Christian News Sites I go to regularly. Do you have a link that we could use to see all these nasty things you are saying is happening.

            You know what? Now that I have re-read your post, I realize that I read that same BS when I was first interested in who these “Muslims” were, many years ago. As a Christian it was something of a curiosity to read about their lives and religion. I even downloaded and read various areas in the Quran.

            I think you’ve been bamboozled Franie. You are giving me the same crap that I read on a horrible racist site that “sounds” so up front and “honest”. Golly why shouldn’t I believe them; How about because it’s not true. Especially about all that information that you gave – It is a site that sole purpose is to create Islamophobia every where. A racist site with an agenda.

            The Muslims I have known have always been good people. polite. caring. and far more family oriented than the families in either of our countries. I have not had the misfortune to meet any Muslims, or even see any Muslims, except the good ones. I guess you must have all of the ones you are describing down in your state?

            Just the fact that you don’t see articles saying that about Muslims and their infiltration etc. should have clued you into it. There was an Undercover report about the Planned Parenthood in the USA. Don’t you think if there was really a conspiracy they would have Underground reporters digging up the dirt?

            Use your common sense, first of all, and use your belief in God. He told us not to worry about this world, that he had conquered it already. How can you not trust God to take care of you through every second of every day? Remember to Trust God, Franie, and ask Him to direct you to where you should be with this topic. He won’t tell you to act like this, or to treat any Muslims badly. Give God your burden of worry about the Muslims so you can be confident that it will be taken care of for you. And stop posting racist things. God never ever told us to be racist. He told us to love one another not hate one another. Sister, you have to reasses yourself and look at whether you are following Jesus’ commands. The 2 commandments that Jesus told us to do.

            Matthew 22:37-40.
            37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
            38 This is the first and great commandment.
            39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
            or
            Galatians 5:14 “For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”
            And John 13:34-35
            34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
            35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

            What you have been saying is against those commandments. He even specifically said to “Love our Enemies”

            Talk to someone in your church that you respect. Be honest with yourself about the state of your soul. If you are not following Jesus, it’s not in a good place. That’s why we should reassess ourselves to make sure we are acting like Jesus told us to. If there be anything you realize that you are doing that is against what God has told us, you need to repent and change those things.

            I pray you will think about what I’ve said. God bless, my sister.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Look at what’s going on in the middle east-for Heaven’s sake. you are totally in the clouds. Pakistan used to be Christian. There are charts online that show the takeover of ME countries by Muslims. You don’t seem to know the history of Mohammed AT ALL. This is not a peaceful doctrine..Do you know anything about the Final Battle?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            You’re suggesting Muslims simply ‘blow off’ part of their ‘scripture’? Doesn’t sound very devout

          • Sharon_at_home

            No they don’t blow it off. But the Terrorists do. They consider themselves above the other Muslims because the way they believe is correct and the others are not living in the way that their Koran said to.
            I know a lot of Christians that do not follow the gospel – is there a difference other than the ISIS are more violent that they are? The Christians I have found that don’t live by the gospel are more arrogant and aggressive than the ones that are followers of Jesus.
            Should they be considered the Christians who are like the ISIS Muslims in comparison to the rest of Muslims and those who are follow the Holy Book properly.
            Maybe “Bad” Christians don’t act like those “Bad Muslims” as far as violence is concerned, but they are both guilty of changing what the Words in the Holy Book say so they can be hateful.
            Consider that with open eyes and you might be able to change your thoughts and be what the Lord wants us to be. Blessings!

      • Franie

        Chris, it’s quite apparent you don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about. The MUSLIMS are not here to coexist, they are here to build up their numbers and infiltrate our institutions to altimately take over our country!! Wake up you fool.

        • Chris

          Franie, it’s quite apparent you don’t have a clue as to what you are
          talking about.”

          “The MUSLIMS are not here to coexist, they are here to
          build up their numbers and infiltrate our institutions to altimately
          take over our country!! Wake up you fool.”

          You’re suffering from paranoia. Do you know every single Muslim in the entire USA? How about the majority? No? How about a sizable minority? No? All you know are the sensationalist stories on the news. Go to a psychologist and tell him/her your fears about Muslims. They have a medication for paranoia now. And remember ‘step out of line and the men in white coats will come and take you away.’

          • Franie

            You are very wrong and extremely delusional. I don’t care a whiff what any Muslim has to say, for their Qur’an commands them to LIE, to TWIST THE TRUTH, to SPIN factual information if it serves them in the end. For you to believe anything any Muslim has to say, does indeed, make you the fool.

          • Chris

            “I don’t care a whiff what any Muslim has to say, for their Qur’an
            commands them to LIE, to TWIST THE TRUTH, to SPIN factual information if
            it serves them in the end.”

            You mean like the bible declares that God deceives? You mean like that?

            “For you to believe anything any Muslim has
            to say, does indeed, make you the fool”

            But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be
            subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister,
            ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’
            will be in danger of the fire of hell.

          • Franie

            Maybe your god Allah deceives, but my God does not. My God put the Ten Commandments down for all to obey and adhere too for one’s Salvation. One of those commandments states “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”, which means thou shalt not LIE. Why would you even think that my God would go against His own law? As I have said, you are the FOOL on this blog.

            P.S. I am in no “danger of the fire of hell”. I don’t LIE!

          • Chris

            “Maybe your god Allah deceives, but my God does not.”

            Two points.

            1) I’m a Zoroastrian NOT a Muslim.
            2) According to the Bible God does. Would you like me to quote chapter and verse?

            “As I have said, you are the FOOL on this blog.”

            The verse I quoted states that to call someone a fool put you in danger of hellfire.
            P.S. I am in no “danger of the fire of hell”. I don’t LIE!

          • Franie

            Wow!! A Zoroastrian. How quaint. Yikes!!! I’m done talking to an absolute fool!!!

          • Chris

            See ya. Have a nice evening.

          • Franie

            Adios!

          • Chris

            And thank you for calling me quaint. I feel quite flattered.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Funny you should mention scriptures and that you believe in God. I am a Christian and I follow Jesus and the gospel which you don’t seem to know much about. Like about Jesus 2 commandments that replaced those 10 commandments?

            Matthew 22:37-40
            37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
            38 This is the first and great commandment.
            39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
            40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
            Or
            John 13:34 -35
            34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
            35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
            (People of faith are His disciples)

            And before you say that these do not replace the 10 commandments.

            Galatians 5:14
            14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

            You are going against Jesus’ commandments by being hateful and demeaning. Two things that Jesus never was himself to the multitudes.

            The way He treated the Pharaohs was

            1. to fulfill the prophecies, and

            2. because they taught about the bible, but did not live by it themselves at all. They basically said “Do as I say, not as I do” For that Jesus demeaned them because of their hypocrisy.

            Everyone else is supposed to be treated with love. Even sinners! And especially your enemies.
            Matthew 5:43-47
            43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
            44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
            45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
            46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
            47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

            I hope these scriptures reach out to you and compels you to read the gospels again to know what Jesus was expecting in our behaviour to give us our Salvation.

            I also offer Galatians 5:22-23
            22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
            23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

            The Fruit of the Spirit is the way we should live with all people. I can tell you more about each thing, but I think I’ll wait for you to ask.

            Blessings!

          • RaggedClaws

            Takiyya has nothing to do with Allah deceiving Muslims. Google it.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Is it that they have been given permission to lie to unbelievers? That’s what I understand it. Is it that?
            Thanks for your reply.
            God bless!

          • Sharon_at_home

            No but you don’t follow the gospel either and that’s necessary if you want to go to heaven. Otherwise you will be in danger of the fire of hell”
            I know I’ve talked to you about it before. Please read that gospel so you will know what to do to receive salvation. Otherwise, you can expect Jesus to say He does not know you. Our behaviour is to reflect the goodness and love that Jesus showed us and commanded us to live like. You are not acting like a saved Christian at all.
            Look at the gospel and make up your own mind, maybe you can save yourself.
            Blessings

          • Franie

            There you go AGAIN, Sharon. JUDGING!!! What does the Bible say about JUDGING, hmm? You and your piousness really goes wanting.

            Since you’re sooo pious, and since you know the bible sooo well, would you care to acknowledge what the bible says about evil, hmm? The Lord my God has COMMANDED that if you SEE EVIL, and you do not CALL OUT THAT EVIL for the evil that it is, the Lord God will JUDGE YOU to be JUST AS GUILTY AS IF YOU COMMITTED THAT EVIL YOURSELF!!!!!

            Thank you but no thank you. When I see evil, you had best bet I will indeed call out that evil for the evil t is.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Look I am not judging we are supposed to talk to our brothers and sisters when they are falling on the wayside. We are supposed to help each other by telling each other what is affecting their salvation. MY God has also told us to do that. So if I don’t tell you the truth, it is me that is sinning, not you.
            Well, do me a favour and stop calling yourself a Christian. I’m tired of people who don’t act Christian to tell everyone they are when they are rude and demeaning in any way.
            I’m tired of thinking all supposed Christians are hateful and tell people about how awful they are as human beings. You have no right to judge people who are different. God is the only one who can judge.
            He told us to help each other make it to Salvation by pointing out things you do that is against God’s Will so we can all have Salvation.
            Actually I do not feel pious, and I really don’t know the bible that well, but the Lord has been helping me to find the ones when I need them.
            My Lord God has said that the only commandments we have now is the love God and to love each other. How exactly are you showing love by behaving the way you do? What exactly are you doing to reflect the goodness of Jesus? Your light has gone out because you do not follow Jesus.
            I guess I will have to pray for you and give up trying to make you see your mistakes so you can attain Salvation. You obviously don’t want to see those mistakes and won’t be able to fix what you don’t recognize.
            Good luck and God Bless!

          • Sharon_at_home

            Hi Chris! Help me so I don’t have to guess what scriptures say that, please. Can you give me Book, chapter and verse so I can understand what it says. I’d appreciate it very much.

            Don’t you worry about my faith, ok? I am beginning to feel more confident about what I believe and it’s made my faith stronger. I know you mentioned it before and I just wanted to assure you. I’ll talk to my Pastor about the verses probably, since if you can see that message in them. I know I will find out what it is in our religion – This is the kind of thing that because I mention it, he often does a bible study about it because he figures if I understand it, then the rest of the bible study members get to know about it, if they haven’t already done that bible study before I was going.

            I talked to God, and told Him about my stresses trying to help people live the way Jesus wants us to. It’s like a feeling of maybe calm came over me and when I was thinking about some of the Posters that stress me, I came to the conclusion that I should block them. It’s not to avoid their arguments, it’s about lowering my stress and avoiding bad influences all rolled into one good reason to use that feature. So now I am less stressed and roaring to go. I really appreciate your support and just wanted to remind you! See! I bet you’re smiling!

            Blessings my dear friend Chris.

            I’m babbling again.

          • Chris

            “Hi Chris! Help me so I don’t have to guess what scriptures say that,
            please. Can you give me Book, chapter and verse so I can understand what
            it says. I’d appreciate it very much.”

            I would be more than happy to do so.

            There are a few. The first is Jeremiah 20: 7.
            “O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger
            than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh
            me.”

            The second is 1 Kings 22: 22 where God sends a lying spirit.

            The third is 2 Chronicles 18: 21

          • RaggedClaws

            God deceiving one is different from takiyya, which means that a Muslim should deceive the Infidel (unbeliever in Islam) when necessary to preserve the Muslim’s safety (or when deemed necessary to use terror against the Infidel ).

          • Chris

            I can agree with that since God will never be persecuted He can never have the necessity of deceiving others for His own safety.

          • Chris

            “Don’t you worry about my faith, ok?”

            Ok. Believe it or not I don’t want to harm anyone’s faith.

            “I am beginning to feel more
            confident about what I believe and it’s made my faith stronger. I know
            you mentioned it before and I just wanted to assure you.”

            Thank you. That’s very considerate.

            “I’ll talk to my
            Pastor about the verses probably, since if you can see that message in
            them. I know I will find out what it is in our religion – This is the
            kind of thing that because I mention it, he often does a bible study
            about it because he figures if I understand it, then the rest of the
            bible study members get to know about it, if they haven’t already done
            that bible study before I was going.”

            That’s a smart way for both of you to handle a puzzle in scripture.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “Don’t you worry about my faith, ok?”
            “Ok. Believe it or not I don’t want to harm anyone’s faith.”
            I know that is why I wanted to reassure you. You’ve mentioned that before, and I think it’s a good way to act. You allow me to believe without telling me I am wrong, and I’m sure some of my replies must have something you think “I should tell her…. no I won’t she doesn’t need to hear that…”
            I imagine you as someone who – like you said about me once – you walk the walk, and talk the talk. Caring about others faith is really unusual but I like the principle. I can be assured that when you comment, you really do know what you are saying or you make it clear that it is Personal and Honest Opinion (IMHO). I can respect that about you.

            HaHa I made you smile again!! lol Bless you Chris.

            Top of the day to you!

          • Chris

            “I talked to God, and told Him about my stresses trying to help people
            live the way Jesus wants us to. It’s like a feeling of maybe calm came
            over me and when I was thinking about some of the Posters that stress
            me, I came to the conclusion that I should block them.”

            I think that’s probably the best way. If the only thing someone does is hurl insults then they aren’t likely to listen to anyone. In addition why should anyone have to put up with that sort of nonsense? I think a block is best for all concerned. If either of us want to reconsider we can always unblock them.

            “It’s not to avoid their arguments, it’s about lowering my stress and avoiding bad
            influences all rolled into one good reason to use that feature.”

            I agree completely. I told my friend about some of the behaviour on this board and she asked me ‘why are you still talking to them’? I couldn’t give her a good answer.

            “So now I am less stressed and roaring to go. I really appreciate your support and just wanted to remind you! See! I bet you’re smiling!”

            You would win that bet. Thank you for your support as well. I read the kind things you wrote about me. I appreciate them very much.

            “Blessings my dear friend Chris.”

            And to you.

          • RaggedClaws

            Not all Muslims believe in the Qur’an although it can be dangerous for them to say that.

          • Chris

            Interesting. Upon what do these Muslims base their beliefs? Are you talking about the Sufis?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Actually He’s very right. Unless you actually KNOW some (at least) Muslims, you really are being paranoid about something you have no clue about. There are lots of sites that feed people this kind of B.S. to make people paranoid and it looks like you have fallen for it.
            I’m happy because I do not fear them like you do. You on the other hand, seem to be very unhappy. I guess I’m the lucky one here!

          • Franie

            I guess in your case, ignorance is truly bliss. May I suggest you read that Qur’an, for what I have mentioned is very, very true. There is not one Muslim you can trust, NOT ONE. Their holy book spells it out. I am NOT paranoid, but you are indeed, ignorant and turning a blind eye to reality. What?? All these Muslims killing people ALL OVER THE WORLD, hasn’t opened your eyes??? Really??? I strongly suggest you get a grip on what the Muslim population fully intends to do in this and every other country they have invaded. It’s called the caliphate. Look it up!!!

          • Sharon_at_home

            YOU ARE PARANOID.

          • Franie

            AND YOU’RE VERY IGNORANT!!! Get yourself some education on the subject at hand dear.

          • Chris

            I’ve read the Quran. And I’ve read up on Muslim history so I can put the verses into context. Can you?

          • RaggedClaws

            And we assume you have read the bible. Is it your belief that all Christians share the same beliefs?

          • Chris

            I’ve not only read the bible I’ve got an associate diploma in theology. Point taken about differing beliefs within Islam. I was making this very point to my history class on Friday. I didn’t mean to imply otherwise.

            Oh and I’m not a Christian.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You said you were Christian didn’t you? I’m a sister in faith and you are talking to me without the respect we expect from other Christians?

            I suggest you get down on your knees and ask forgiveness for this tonight. The way you have been acting in your posts are totally UN-Christian-like!
            What religion do you say you are part of? I’m curious which church I should recommend that people do not go to. It obviously has not taught their members how to have Jesus’ Salvation at all. Stop calling yourself a Christian if you are going to continue to be rude and demeaning to other people.

            You are not acting like a Christian at all, so what religion are you?

            Are you Muslim and just trying to get us to spread the word that we should have a war with all the Muslims in the USA without wasting time? Well, I think you should know that there are some pretty intelligent people on this particular comment board and if you just continue being Self Important in your posts, you will end up having no one to engage in a discussion.

            And I don’t have to put up with people like you and be treated with so little manners. If I wasn’t confident in my Jesus, you might have put me down so much I’d be crying.

            If you are an Honest to Goodness Christian, show me scriptures that tell us that we should be afraid of our enemies? I’m looking forward to your answer and maybe we can discuss it. Depending on your attitude in your reply. Blessings!

          • Franie

            You’re so sad! You deserve to cry. I really don’t want to upset your lala land existence. Peace!!

          • Sharon_at_home

            Well, there is one Christian that is going against God’s Word.
            I wrote a nice post just before I saw this one.
            Wow.. I think I’m speechless and can’t think of a scripture to put for this. Wow.
            I do not deserve to cry. NO ONE deserves to cry. Not even you.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Jesus didn’t say to be afraid of our enemies, but He did tell the disciples to even sell their cloaks, if need be, and BUY swords. He didn’t instruct them to be doormats and worse for those enemies either.

          • Itiswhatitis

            Jesus said for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. Some would conclude that Jesus dying on a cross makes him a doormat, but those of us with a Christian faith knows this gives us eternal life. God gave us ten commandments one of which is “Thou shall not kill.” What you consider a “doormat” is actually obedience to our Heavenly Father.

          • sandraleesmith46

            You’re pulling that out of the context of the whole and making a doctrine on it that the Bible itself doesn’t support. Read EVERYTHING about using swords before you do that. BTW, the Hebrew word in the commandment is “murder” not simply kill.

          • Itiswhatitis

            If it’s out of context to you I understand. God gives me the understanding that He is a a God of love and peace, and he sent his only Son to share this with all who believe in him. Therefore I love all of God’s creation. The 6th Commandment uses both kill and murder due to a language shift since the days of King James, when that version of the Ten Commandments was set forth. The term “kill” back then meant what “murder” means today. For centuries, biblical scribes and scholars have interpreted both to have the same meaning

          • sandraleesmith46

            WRONG! It’s out of context because the context is always the WHOLE Word of God; never a selected passage or verse. And I spoke of the original HEBREW word, not the KJV translation thereof.

          • Al

            …and you believe your muzzie friends. (snicker snicker) No. That isn’t funny.

          • Chris

            I see you’re still giving yourself votes. Why?

            Do you often feel the need to mock those who hold alternate views?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            we believe what we SEEEEE..
            #EUROPE

          • RaggedClaws

            What you see in Europe is indeed very important to see and to understand. What we must also see in Europe is that not all Muslims are involved.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Neither are those not directly involved trying to stop it.

          • Chris

            Stopping a crime is the police’s job, NOT that of citizens.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Ah, now see, that’s the mistake that so many make! Their JOB is solving it; they will stop it if they happen to see it, but it’s not their primary job.

          • Chris

            “Their JOB is solving it;”

            Their job is to keep the peace. So if that involves stopping a riot, preventing a crime, or solving one after it has been committed that’s what they do.

          • sandraleesmith46

            They aren’t mind readers; how are they supposed to know a crime will happen before it does? I did EMS for several years; and I can assure you people DO NOT schedule their crimes any more than their emergencies. It’s unrealistic and foolish to assume police can prevent crimes happening.

          • Chris

            “They aren’t mind readers; how are they supposed to know a crime will happen before it does?”

            I’m in street. There’s a big plate-glass window. I pick up a rock and put myself in a position to throw it. The police can step in and stop me.

            Likewise if I am committing a crime – like burglary – but have picked up a knife and am advancing on the home owner the police can stop me.

            In both cases I haven’t committed the crime which is being stopped.

          • sandraleesmith46

            AGAIN, you assume prior knowledge; that simply doesn’t happen in reality. They would have to be EVERYWHERE at ALL times to do that; and there aren’t enough police ANYWHERE to do that.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            You’re assuming cops are ever present. Get a gun.. Protect yourself

          • Chris

            Not here in Australia. For one thing, we have to keep a gun in a locked cabinet or at a gun club. Second any attempt to carry a firearm will get you arrested.

            Finally if a private citizen fired on another then they may well end up facing a charge of attempted murder.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            So. Many. Rules

          • Chris

            You should see the council rules. For example where a tree can be planted, how much it can be cut back. Whether it can be cut down or not. 🙂 We’ve learned to live with it.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Conditioned to be prisoners, in some form, in your own Homer/city/state/country… With no kickback? Horrors. I’d rather take my chances. Although sadly, our federal government is sooooo bloated right now it’s unrecognizable. And if you’re unfortunate enough to live in a state run by Jerry Brown types your freedoms vanish before your eyes. It is the nature and disposition of all people to abuse whatever power and authority the people may lend them

          • Chris

            “Conditioned to be prisoners, in some form, in your own
            Homer/city/state/country… ”

            How are we prisoners? The laws may be bureaucratic but they also mean that we are safe. For example the violent crime rate here hasn’t risen since 1901.

            “With no kickback? Horrors.”

            We have elections – at the federal, state and local level.

            “I’d rather take
            my chances.”

            I wouldn’t. You have cases of children bringing weapons to school. At worst we have toy guns in ours.

            “Although sadly, our federal government is sooooo bloated
            right now it’s unrecognizable.”

            It’s the way of bureaucracy. The more you ask a government to do the more bureaucrats it needs.

            “And if you’re unfortunate enough to live
            in a state run by Jerry Brown types your freedoms vanish before your
            eyes. It is the nature and disposition of all people to abuse whatever
            power and authority the people may lend them.”

            I disagree. Read up on Marcus Aurelius or Ashoka sometime. To give just one example Aurelius was an absolute monarch yet he wrote a note to himself which says ‘I must always remember that the ONLY justification for my office is the good of the people. If I fail in that then there is no further justification.” I think that’s pretty selfless.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Good for you! sometimes people refuse just on principle. At least you can endure it better when you think of it that way. *grin*

          • Chris

            Oh people have their tussles with the council here as well. It even makes the papers from time to time. At least its entertaining for the rest of us. 🙂

          • Chris

            But in any case it’s irrelevant whether it’s their primary or secondary task. It is NOT the task of civilians to stop crime.

          • sandraleesmith46

            It is the responsibility of the individual to defend himself and his property and family; not to become a vigilante, of course.

          • Chris

            Not in my country it isn’t. For example if someone broke into my house I’d call the police then wait outside for them to arrive. Only when life and limb were in danger would I resist.

            All of this is irrelevant however. It has NOTHING to do with what you originally contended which is that private citizens should stop crime.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, you’d be dead and police would then investigate the crime.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I thought what is called “citizen arrest” still done legally? Certainly they do appreciate the citizens that stop someone from evading the police by keeping them there, too. They always say they ‘shouldn’t do it’ but they also know that if they had not risked what they had, it likely would be an unsolved crime without the people who did the crime.
            It’s not the official arrest, because police are the only ones with that ability, but the holding on to a criminal at the scene of the crime, is helpful to the community, not just the police.
            It obviously depends on the crime and if opportunity presents itself to someone to stop them, they might.
            So citizens can stop/ catch criminals but the police have to take over from there for the charges to be legal.

            Makes more sense to what she was saying. I didn’t look at the string all the way but I am only mentioning it regard to what you said.

            blessings!

          • Chris

            Good point about citizen involvement in stopping [or at least delaying] a criminal. I confess I hadn’t considered that.

            I don’t know about the law in the US. Here in Australia I would be ill advised to perform a citizen’s arrest. The moment I touched someone on the arm or shoulder they could state I had assaulted them. And, under Australian law they would be correct.

            Thanks for that.

            And blessings in return.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I guess the law looks at the intent before the assault more often here.
            Although I think I’ve seen where Judges agree with the criminal though.
            The intent of “assaulting” them is what makes it assault in the case of stopping a criminal from getting away a unintentional crime because of your intent to stop him from getting away.
            I’ve seen pictures of 3 people sitting on one guy after he tried to steal one of their purses. They held him that way until the police came and dragged him to safety at the jail.
            So if you can stop a criminal from getting away, is it really considered a crime of assault and not looked at for the intent? Wow. I think I’d have to help someone in need and deal with the assault charges later.
            Thanks as always for your reply. And I’m happy if I can make anyone think about things in a way that helps them. I expect I’ll be trying to do that continuously.
            Take care Chris!

          • Chris

            I think our courts put a LOT of emphasis on intent. For example someone stopping a mugging may well be let off with a warning. But they would still have broken the law.

            Thank you for helping me consider my laws in a new light. As to my Email you can get it from a site called ‘we are smrt’. I’m listed under Chris. I’m the third on the list of members under ‘C’. Just click on my name on that site and you can send me your email if you wish.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you, I’ll check that site out for sure.
            I’m glad to hear they would rather allow for the intent of the assault. I have always heard that Australia is a really good place to live in everything except the weather at times of the year.
            My husband and I would love to go there, but it’s a dream for us. So we dream! lol
            I will look at that site too. It might be interesting for me too. And my husband for that matter!
            Bless you Chris. I will be there soon.

          • Chris

            Well if you ever make it to Oz [that’s what we call it here] let me know and I’ll be your tour guide. Show you both the sights.

            Oh and the weather’s lovely here. But wear sunscreen in the summer. We can always tell the tourists because they’re red as lobsters.

          • Sharon_at_home

            That would be awesome. I’ll put you into our dream too!
            I look forward to discussing it with you.
            I need you to tell me how to find the names to find you. All I am getting is the actual board even after I had registered and confirmed my email.
            It’s probably right under my nose. I lose things there all the time!
            I’ll watch for your reply. looking at my watch…tick tick tick LOLOL
            I can be a little nuts some times. I’ve gotten better since I joined the church, but sometimes it comes out – especially if I can make someone laugh.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I found it with my husband’s help. I wasn’t logged in like I thought I was, so members aren’t listed until you are. TTYL

          • Chris

            Yep. Sounds like it.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I sent you a PM on that site.

          • Chris

            Thank you.

          • Sharon_at_home

            What about Iraq, Iran and the Kurds? They are fighting ISIS and those are Muslim dominant nations. Muslims who don’t agree with ISIS fighting them to stop the way they are treating everyone. There is plenty of signs that the muslims are not on board with ISIS in general – that it is a small minority that are trying to get you to believe that it is the Koran that makes them behave like that and it’s not true at all.
            I don’t agree with i being one group and I certainly hope they will have someone from the school in the room with all of them. But they would expect the school to monitor what they say and won’t tell them anything because they are not bad people and then more people that are new to the country should help the children understand about those people too. Not just one group. then take the whole bunch and give them a day each. There are so many ways to be ‘different’ now.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            You know what they say. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim… By and large

          • james blue

            Other than all the non Muslim terrorists you are right.

          • Chris

            Um…no. Remember the KKK? Or how about Ilaga? Or Anti-Balaka groups? Or how about the NLFT? Or the NSCN? Or the Maronite Christian Militias? Or the Lord’s Resistance Army? Like a few closer to home? How about Christian Identity? Or the Christian Patriot Movement? Like me to go on or are you getting the idea?

            The fact is there are LOTS of Christian terrorist groups. So many that it easily falsifies your argument that all terrorists are mulims [by and large].

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            So using a religion to rally around but not living it’s principles. Got it. Going back to the article though..I completely disagree with the school board’s thinking and action on this one. It singles out kids when all bullying should be addressed equally

          • Chris

            “So using a religion to rally around but not living it’s principles. Got
            it”

            All the examples I gave are terrorist groups. So are you saying that committing acts of terror are Christian principles? That’s an idea which wasn’t around when I was a Christian. I was taught to love my enemies, not blow them up.

            “Going back to the article though..I completely disagree with the
            school board’s thinking and action on this one. It singles out kids when all bullying should be addressed equally.”

            I see your point but I think you’re forgetting something. Bullies don’t pick on everyone equally. They pick on those who are different. So while I agree that bullying is a subject which should be handled across the board, special emphasis should be given to the favourite victims of bullies.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            I just said they claim to be religious but don’t leave the principles

          • Chris

            You’ve lost me. Who just claims to be religious? The Christian terrorists? I would agree. So do the Moslem terrorists.

          • Chris

            Apologies. I see what you’re driving at.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Lots of Christians do the exact same thing Patti. They call themselves Christians then are hateful in their behaviour to others. There is no difference to my way of looking at it. If some of them can act in variance to their religion, well, so can Christians. It has led to wars before in history and it’s when Christians puff themselves up that they act like everyone else is a lessor being and Jesus told us not to believe that. We are to love everyone with Jesus’ love. It doesn’t mean you have to like them personally, but you have to show love and kindness to them if you are following Jesus’ ways.
            I’ve been treated badly because I am a Christian even though I do not act like the hateful kind of Christian.
            The Muslims who are here are here to escape the way their countries are doing things. I’d appreciate it if anyone can tell me if this is true: most of the Muslims there are refugees trying to get away from the war and who do not live the way these others do, and want to not be involved with what their country is doing. Those really did not have a big plot to take us over, when they were escaping from their homeland. Many came here with nothing – no clothes no memories, no money, no food. It was a “just get out alive” kind of situation. They would have preferred to stay where they were without the wars, but they were forced out. Why does the fact that terrorists forced these people out of their homes and country, make these people terrorists too?
            Do you have no compassion for people like these?
            Maybe I can help you understand if I put it in terms that you can identify.
            You went home one day and because you were tired, you lay down for a rest and fell asleep. While you were sleeping the heater downstairs sparked a fire that spread quickly throughout the house downstairs and by the time you woke up it was coming in to your room.
            In order to get out alive, you either have to find a way out the window, or run praying through the fire downstairs to the door without something obstructing your way.
            The only thing you are thinking about is getting out alive. Not about your purse or cellphone or cash or clothes, just getting out of there.
            So you climb out your window to the limb of the tree next to it and are able to get away safely.
            So now what? You have nothing to give you comfort, food, clothes, or any of the necessities of life. All your memories and treasures have been destroyed and you have nothing to remember anyone who had died. You would rightfully feel like your life was over.
            Except in the States, you would not have to have nothing for more than a day or so. We have access to those things and are not limited on what we need but also comfort for your loss.
            So the people who have come here, feel like you would have if your house would have caught fire. These Muslims were lucky to escape with their lives at all. And to add that there is no safe place in their homeland they had to choose to get away from the terrorists, and flee to the US, Canada and all over the world because one country could not take all of the refugees at once and had to accept only a portion of those people. It wasn’t done on purpose by the Muslims, they were split up due to the other Nations ability to sustain adding that many needy people to their country. That is why the Muslims are “all over the world”.
            I agree that it should be about more than just the Muslims involved in creating a program for the children, because it is those people who are living with the discrimination now. They know what people say and do to them and can direct them to those problems that Muslims have with discrimination. But there should be a representative from other cultures for their children’s sake too. And the whole thing should be tied together by teaching them to treat people the way they want to be treated. At young ages it helps them get along most consistently because of their innocence and how they look at the world with new eyes that see differently than we do.
            I wish that people would try to get along and stop being so mean to others.
            I hope this helps! God Bless!

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Are you not concerned about the sheer numbers? The fact that other Muslim countries, where they would be infinitely more comfortable, don’t take them? How about the proliferation of mosques? And no go zones? And the fact that they are multiplying faster than other group? Our culture is disappearing.. And not just because of them but other immigration as well. Look at the middle East.. They have changed whole countries from Christian to Muslim. You seem like a decent person but your views, in my opinion, are very pollyanna. Our efforts should be focused on keeping them in the middle East, in their own culture, and ridding them of their corrupt governments. We simply can’t take everyone.. Especially unvetted..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Patti I don’t get concerned about things that happen in the world. I trust God. What is going to happen is going to happen whether we take precautions or not. God has told us about it.
            The USA took what their nation could afford to take. A bigger country is able to afford to take more, that’s all.
            Are you afraid to die, is that what is causing you to be concerned about what’s going to happen?
            I’d honestly like to know why you need to worry about anything if you trust God. He told us to give Him our burdens so that we can live without the worries of the world. In my life, he does it every time and whatever the problem was, was fixed and in a good way for me. I Trust God. That’s all I do.
            No my views are not pollyanna, but thank you for the compliment, I do try to be a good person and knowing that it shows means a lot to me.
            They can’t stay in their homelands because of war. Their lives have been ruined by the war. You can’t understand it because there has never been a part of a larger war in our countries. We have no basis to understand the situation clearly.
            No matter what it feels like they are not trying to take over. If that is a belief you hold to you have to realize that the event could be past our lifetimes? That this is just the beginning as it is necessary to protect their people from ISIS. If you were right in your theory, I expect the attacks would be everywhere in the USA already. You think their are enough Muslims to take over the USA so why haven’t they done that?
            All they want is to be allowed to retain their culture. They want to be able to live like they would be in their homeland because of everything they have lost. They are having a hard time assimilating because of the losses they have had to live with. They have new laws, new rules, practically everything they have to ‘assimilate’ to is not familiar with and have to get beyond the feeling of having nothing except the way they lived at home. It’s not an easy thing when you are forced out, to be able to just change – bang – to another culture’s ways.
            If the whole thing was reversed, could you assimilate with them as your rescuers, because you have lost the life you had in the USA?
            Really give that some thought, because it should tell you not to judge how people are ‘not assimilating’ because there is a good reason to them that would be ours if the situation was reversed.
            I hope this helps give you peace about the world.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            You Must know about the final battle.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Of course I do. I’ve read the bible a couple of times in the last 8 years.
            I have also read that it will happen from God’s Word and it said nothing about trying to avoid it, He did not tell us to worry, He told us to Trust Him and everything will be OK.
            We can’t look at the final battle as something that is soon because only God knows when the final battle is going to happen. Why would you worry – without trusting God – about something that is told to us would happen at a certain point in His plan. That’s one of the points of Trusting God.
            You could be worrying about this your whole life and never see it happen. Why would you want to do that in the first place, but especially if you trust God?
            Take His word for it and don’t worry about it. Let Him deal with the things in the world that we can’t change. Please trust Him totally.
            I don’t know this as a fact, but if they are able to end this war in their homelands, I think you will find that many of them return there when it is safe for them. They don’t want to be here any more than the people who don’t want them here. Especially with people treating them badly here.
            If it was you, wouldn’t you want to return to the USA too?
            God bless Patti. I’m glad you are listening to what I say. I hope it gives you the peace you rightfully should have as a Child of God.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Yes you are seeing the terrorists do their awful acts. That’s what Terrorists do.
            It does not mean all Muslims are out to get us. Honestly, if you live in an area that has Muslims do you SEE any terrorists where you are? Where I live Muslims are good, kind people with no terrorist tendencies.
            Why would I go against the Lord who told us specifically not to be afraid?
            Why would I go against the Lord who said we should love everyone and treat everyone as well as we want to be treated?
            Why would I be afraid when I trust God to take care of me?
            I would be praying and trusting God more if I lived in England right now, but we have to hold out to the end, and that includes living in harder times. But if you follow Jesus, you have to know He will be with you through anything we need to go through, and if it results in our time to go to heaven, it will be the right time for you.
            When I didn’t know more about Muslims and the Islamic faith, I used to think that if they held a weapon to me and told me to convert, I would spit in their face so they would kill me right then. I won’t convert for any reason especially force. So I expect they would be happier to kill someone who is arrogant enough to ignore that they will kill me if I don’t convert. I will always trust God in my life, so I do not worry because I know he will take care of what needs to be done. He always has, and He always will.
            It sounds like you are thinking of ‘you’ and not of God. Maybe you should reassess yourself for sins so you can repent and be closer to God. Trusting in God is the basis of our Salvation. If you can’t feel trust about God, who can you trust as a Christian? Do you know better than what God does? Wait for His signs that He is taking care of you already. Trust God. That’s what I say to what you think I am not aware of what’s going on. I am aware of it, I’ve researched it and asked questions of people who know more about them than I do, and come to see that if I trust God, I have the confidence to live in what you call my own little world, and not be afraid every day for the rest of my life, like you seem to be. There is nothing I cannot trust God to do if it is in a beneficial way to me. He blesses me every day – every day I can see what He does that is just for me, and no one else. If He takes care of me all the time how can I not totally trust Him to take care of me if/when it comes to the terrorists coming to get us.
            I hope you actually read the whole thing, and will give it some thought as well as talk to Jesus and to your church leader about what I said. Maybe then you will have the confidence to accept what is happening in the world, and remain in our separation from that world, by trusting God. We are not of this world, the Lord has sanctified us, or put us aside because of our hope of Salvation. We are a peculiar people He said in His Word. Don’t worry about the World and what is happening now, it is temporal while eternity is not. Look to God’s Word. Especially the gospel. There is nothing to fear because God is with us.
            Don’t think that this is criticism as it is not. I am simply going by scriptures when I tell you to Trust in God. It’s important to keep our mind on Christ at all times. Or our faith in Him will weaken. I hope you consider it anyway.
            I have not been forceful when I reply to you. Please don’t use caps to show emphasis because the way you say it is enough emphasis. Please tell me what you believe, as in a kind way towards me, and keep your hateful comments to telling me what you think, and why you think it. I would say we could have a lot to discuss, but if you are not treating me well, as I do to you, I am not going to bother. I don’t know about you, but I prefer to be treated kindly and politely so I try to treat others in the same way. I even used caps to emphasis in some of my replies to show you that they really are not necessary for emphasis. It will not make people open their minds to what you say if the way you say it offends them.
            God’s blessings and peace be yours, my sister.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            I agree with most of what you said but I don’t agree with the SDUSDs decision to single out one group of kids over another. All bullying should be addressed equally.

          • RaggedClaws

            Pew is a respected polling institution and on their website may be found attitudes toward terrorism by Muslims in the US. While it is true that not all Muslims are terrorists, or support terrorism while not being participants , it is also true that some are. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth must be taught, or nothing should be taught. That means that CAIR should not be allowed to design the course alone. CAIR is the Council on American Islamic Relations and is an off shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Sorry, but they all do support it, if they attend a mosque; they pay zakat, like a tithe; and that is used to support terrorism and terrorists and their families.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I appreciate that information very much.
            I guess what I meant was that allowing someone else to help is not usually a bad thing. It gives another view that can be help usually.
            I don’t think I remembered what CAIR means either.
            Thanks again for your help. Blessings!

          • Bill Kay

            CAIR Which I understand has been declared a terrorist orginazation by the FBI .

          • sandraleesmith46

            Maybe if you heard it from a Muslim who left the “religion” because of the “religion”, you’d believe it, but I doubt it. Do try reading the Quran, and keep firmly in mind that those passages last written supersede those written earlier, as per Muhammad’s instructions. ALSO keep firmly in mind that Muhammad is the model they strive to emulate; a murderer, brigand, pedophile, and liar; basically, your all-around evil person incarnate.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I am well aware of what the bible says about Muslims. I am also going to ‘not fear’ just as I’ve been told to do. Why are you afraid?
            We will not be able to change what is going to happen, so why worry about something God is already handling?
            FYI it was a Muslim that has left the religion who explained it to me. So does that mean you will believe it?
            They are not all evil just as we are not all evil. They don’t like the way the other Muslims are behaving, like I don’t like the Christians that show hatred towards anyone.

            Why are we allowed to believe the majority of Christians are good people, but not allow another religion the right to believe the people of their religion are more good people and turn their backs to the ones being terrorists.

            When you consider how many Muslims there are, and the percentage of Muslims that are in the terrorist group, it is a small minority that are doing the terrible things.

            Also, Iraq, Iran and the Kurds are all Muslim, and they are the ones that are fighting them right now right there. Why would Muslims war with each other if they agreed with what they are doing? So that is proof of what I say.

            Be still and trust God. Pray. Offer good fruit to the Lord. Be good to other people and bring them to Jesus. That is what the Lord wants us to do while this is happening.

            I can only reach out to people when they are going against God’s Word, the people I try to reach have to consider it and decide for themselves whether they agree with God’s Word in the same way I believe it, I guess. Go to God and be at peace. Blessings!

          • sandraleesmith46

            There’s “fear” and then there’s a healthy wariness; I don’t “fear” rattlesnakes either, but I have sense enough not to lie down with them or turn my back on them, let alone bring them into my home.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You have to trust God. Nothing you do will change the way it is going to happen. And going against God’s Word to love everyone and to turn people to Jesus, is not the way to make it to the end. Read the gospel and start learning for yourself what it says and you will find that I am telling the truth. Jesus wants us to love everyone and that we should teach the gospel and turn as many people to Salvation before the major battle. We have to hang on to the end because many will stop believing. If you don’t want that to happen, learn the gospel. If you don’t read it and learn it, you will not be accepted on the fact that you don’t love everyone. And because you need to trust God more than you do. He’s with us always and will take care of you if you ask him and if you follow His commands. He will not know you otherwise. It’s all up to you. No one else can do anything for you to get Salvation, only you can. And there is no excuses because you have I think there the bible and are supposed to read the whole thing and learn God’s Word to bring you closer to God.
            I would never lie to a sister or anyone else for that matter. If I wasn’t concerned about your salvation I would just discuss the Muslims and how many have turned to Jesus even if the midst of battle. Jesus is appearing and healing, saving people from death, and they believe in Him and turn to Him. The lord has sent lions to save people from some terrorists bound to kill them, but lions are not in the small forest normally so the people who were rescued believe it was Jesus who helped them, just like he helped Daniel with Lions, He used them again. He is supposed to have appeared to some militants that were chasing after Christians. He created a wind storm between the two groups and asked them the same thing that He asked Peter. I think 8 out of 10 believed and converted. But maybe those stories are not true, I am not sure. I’m pretty sure the one with the Lions was on this website but I surf a lot when I am looking for something.
            Obviously He is taking care of us by doing the very same thing that he wants us to. Tell them the gospel and try to get them to love Jesus that they desire with all their hearts to repent. He has powers we don’t, but that still doesn’t change his command to spread the gospel to everyone, does it.
            I believe God sent me here to help turn people to Him, and to help the Christians to read the gospel when they are not living it. He has been helping me with finding scriptures to use in my posts. He is Marvelous and Wonderful and He wants you to be able to have salvation so He sent me to help you – it’s what I do, help people, it’s usually people who come, I help and then they move away. He always told me what knowledge I needed, and some of the people came because they heard I was ‘nice’ and wanted to take advantage of me, but I always knew that it was probably trying to con me. I still helped, but I was careful not to give them what they wanted. They left faster than the others.
            Please listen and take control of your own salvation because where you get your information other than the bible, won’t lead you to the right road.
            God loves you!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Instead of telling people to “look it up,” maybe you should provide a citation or two of your own. The burden of proof is on the one presenting the argument.

          • RaggedClaws

            That “not one” comment is so, just, wrong. You are pre-judging individuals, which amounts to prejudice or pre-judicial. You are stereotyping. Not every Christian believes every word of the Bible and there is no reason to presume otherwise re every Muslim.

            But this works both way. Is the course teaching that every single Muslim student is both not currently a terrorist or likely to become one through social media or radical Imam suggestions and training? That, too, is generalizing and pre-judging.

            Extremist Musims are indeed killing people all over the world. Their goals must be taught in these classes just as students must be taught not to pre-judge or stereotype every member of any group.

          • sandraleesmith46

            If you don’t believe the Bible, I question your Christianity; and if you are a Muslim and don’t believe the Quran, you will end up dead, because Muslims call that apostasy and kill others for it.

          • Jerry Swaim

            The Muslims I have known have been very nice people. No I haven’t known every Muslim; that would be impossible. But you have to know some of them to make any statement. My Muslim friends have been wonderful people!

          • Itiswhatitis

            You’re blinded by your religious hate. There are more Americans killing Americans than any other nationality or religion. And if the US would implement gun control laws we would reduce gun shooting casualties. Blaming others for America’s problems only perpetuates our problems.

          • Bill Kay

            Exactly correct I applaud effort to inform , and educate but to those that have not the ability to reason its a lost cause / like trying to bail out the ocean with a tea spoon !

          • Al

            You’re using the word FEAR again. I don’t fear . I’m packing.

          • Chris

            Ah. Is carrying a gun around a sign of stability in your country?

          • Al

            I’m a retired police officer and I’ve carried for years.You have a strong need to keep engaging me in your inane conversation.

          • Chris

            You seem to have a strong need to insult. Blocked. And before I go…I forgive ya. Have a nice day.

          • Bob Johnson

            That is why I prefer snowflakes with puppy dogs. Much safer neighborhood.

          • Chris

            Nicely put. You’ve brought a smile to my face. Thank you for that.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, just a sign of awareness of the dangerous times in which we live, and good sense.

          • Chris

            Can’t the police do their job? I live in a country where gun ownership is restricted. I’ve rarely felt unsafe and the rate of violent crimes hasn’t risen since 1901.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Sure; when seconds count, police are just minutes away, and they’ll come in and run their crime investigation quite thoroughly. Oh, that’s assuming you have time to call them before the armed criminal kills you, of course.

          • Chris

            You’ve been watching too much TV. Violent crime is going down in your country and it’s ALWAYS been down in mine.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not the past couple of years according to the FBI violent crime stats.

          • Chris

            Well as statisticians say two points are not a trend, merely a line.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Would you cuddle up with a rattler? I wouldn’t. I live in their neighborhood, and I watch for them when I’m out and about, because they are what they are; so are Muslims. Their loyalty is to ISLAM only. It’s not fear, just I don’t trust that they won’t bite, any more than I do rattlers.

          • Chris

            “Would you cuddle up with a rattler? I wouldn’t. I live in their
            neighborhood, and I watch for them when I’m out and about, because they are what they are; so are Muslims.”

            Demonization is the first step to persecution. You should be ashamed of yourself.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not really; a rattler will only attack if it’s fresh out of hibernation; it’s young or it is threatened, or if you startle it; and it usually gives warning before it bites. But I still wouldn’t cuddle with one. Muslims attack without cause, and without giving warning. It’s not about demonization; it’s about knowing a people who believe they have the “right” to kill anyone anytime for not believing what they demand.

          • Chris

            Comparing a human to anything which is not is demonization. Apologize or this discussion ends here. I will not be an accomplice for you to spread hate.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I was comparing a behavioral pattern not the individuals; and you may call it whatever you choose; but it will get you killed when they reach a certain percentage of your population.

          • Chris

            I’m NOT going to descend into sophistry either. Appologize or this discussion is over.

          • Chris

            I’m not listening to excuses for hate. Blocked.

          • Al

            Wow Are you ever naïve and dumb.

          • Chris

            wow what a unique ad hom. Do you have anything besides insults to add to the discussion?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            #europe

          • Chris

            You’ll have to be a bit more specific in your reply.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Go to Hamtramk, MI and repeat that. We’ll see how you fare. Franie is correct. The Muslims like the one you mention are FEW and far between; the bulk of them are here for hijrah; not to assimilate and be Americans.

          • Chris

            “The Muslims like the one you mention are FEW and far between; the bulk
            of them are here for hijrah; not to assimilate and be Americans.”

            Prove it.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Funny; Hamtramk and Dearborn, MI both are full of them; and so is M-SP, MN. There are other areas as well. IF they read and follow the Quran, and follow the example of Muhammad, then they are either here for jihad or hijrah. They are not, indeed CANNOT, be here to become Americans. Your naivete is sad, and deadly.

          • Chris

            Or they could be in the US because they want to be there. As indeed could refugees. For example many Jewish refugees migrated to Australia after the war. They love it here now though at first it was merely a place of refuge.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Refugees that came here, as those Jews did, during and after WW II assimilated to the home culture into which they moved; that’s NOT happening with the Muslims; in fact they’re doing their utmost to impose their sharia based culture on us. They want to be here ONLY for conquest.

          • Chris

            All refugees, as indeed all migrants assimilate eventually. According to sociology this happens in three stages.
            Stage one: There is an attempt to adopt SOME customs of their new country but a determined effort is also maintained to preserve the best of their customs.

            Stage two: This is usually a generation or two later. The children just want to fit in. They adopt the same clothing, hairstyles, etc as their friends. They watch the same shows, use the same slang and so on.

            Stage three: The children of those from stage two grow up with a rosy coloured view of what the ‘old country’ was like. Many go back for a visit and find it’s totally unlike the descriptions they were given.

            Stage four: These kids are so integrated it comes as a shock to them to find out their family hasn’t always lived in this country.

            That’s the stages virtually every single refugee or migrant goes through whether they want to or not. The mass media and the influence of their friends is just to all encompassing to resist. though some resist longer than others.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Somalis have been here over 30 years with NO indication whatever of any assimilation! In fact, they’re LESS so than they were when they got here. I grew up with WW II refugees and migrants; I know how it works. Muslims do not, indeed CANNOT, assimilate and their purpose is CONQUEST according to their own holy book; READ IT!

        • Bill Kay

          Correct and our leaders appear to be helping them do it , its time to clean house of all traitors to the USA !

      • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

        mad as heck and not going to take it anymore

        • Chris

          What does you being angry have to do with displaying contempt to others who have not harmed you in any way?

    • Al

      Have muslim study classes? How about Christian classes. It seems the atheists have banned the Christian beliefs and keep them out of schools.

  • Robert

    Sounds like they are preparing america to accept. Sexual Exploitation of children who have to marry old Muslim men in that culture. which we won’t tolerate here .

    • Chris

      sounds like paranoia.

      • Tom Winegar

        Willful ignorance or maybe blind indifference on your part.

        • Chris

          Nope. Logic.

          Fact: No one knows the future – and that includes paranoids.

          Fact: Paranoids do not possess telepathy and so cannot know the thoughts and intentions of anyone.

          Conclusion: Given the above facts the paranoid ravings of people declaring what millions of Muslims intend to do is exactly that – ravings. But take heart. There is a medication for paranoia.

          • Swed.

            You should be on anti-psychotics and soon, delusional and clearly mentally ill.

            Also deeply in denial of the last 1600 years of history.
            Sad and pathetic.
            The facts still stand.

          • Chris

            History does not allow anyone to predict the future. If it did fundies would be locked away for attempting to set up a theocratic dictatorship.

          • Swed.

            So you are too stupid to learn from history, that is really pathetic.

            A caliphate is not a theocratic dictatorship, really?

          • Chris

            Who has mentioned a caliphate on this board except you?

          • Swed.

            Wow, get help and a real job.

          • Chris

            Another ad hom

          • Swed.

            Stings Doesn’t it.
            Not to late to get training and a job.

          • Chris

            Not even slightly. Allow me to tell you my secret. I don’t care about the opinions of anyone who doesn’t have my respect.

            As to your replies Kung Fu Tzu had quite a bit to say about how they provided a window into your character. 🙂 Have a nice evening.

        • Swed.

          Complete wilful ignorance, and dumber than a stump.
          Poor bastard has a history degree in auzzie land.
          Essentially unemployable.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You can leave the comment board anytime and the sooner the better. You are extremely rude and ignorant of the proper way to behave.
            Wow. I can’t imagine what your mother would say if she heard you demeaning others that you don’t even know like you are.
            We like to have discussions here. Not fights and bickering and ignorant name calling. When you think you can have an adult discussion perhaps you can start again by ACTING LIKE AN ADULT.
            If (IF) you are a Christian, you’d best be kneeling and repenting now, because this is totally against everything that Jesus taught us.
            The ones on this comment board that are being so ignorant about Muslims and other people can’t be Christians or they would not be acting like this. Christians are better people than what you show.
            I’ve always complained about the so-called Christians that act like you are and make all Christians look as bad as you. Try acting like Jesus said to instead of choosing your free will to be a nasty person. It will go better for you in the long run, I guarantee it.

          • Swed.

            So delusional and assume the strangest things, sad and pathetic.
            Seem to be part of the failed cult that blows up children to prove a point.
            Get help.
            You do not discuss, just assume. there is a difference.

            And the pomposity is impressive. Bad troll no doughnut.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I don’t need help thank you. I am following Jesus as a Christian. I know what He said and it was not to be demeaning to other people.

          • Swed.

            That is the worst garbage response I have seen today.

            You can do better can’t you?
            Either stupid or incapable of understanding what is happening all over the world. Do not blame your ignorance on Christianity, that is pathetic.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Excuse me? Do I know you? Or better yet How do you know me? From a couple of posts that described how I feel about you and people like you?
            Good luck with that.
            No troll. I’ve been here for a long time. You on the other hand, I have only seen you, and Franie are both new to me at the same time. Isn’t that interesting that you both are pushing the same racist BS and you are new to these boards. Are you related or something?
            I’m normally a very calm poster with my light shining to the others to give my Lord the Glory. Somehow you got under my collar really quickly and I reverted to the person that wasn’t Christian not so long ago.
            I apologize.
            If you are actually here to have discussions, please stop being demeaning to people here who disagree. Treat people the way you want to be treated. It really works, except the posters that use all their patience so they won’t be as rude as you are – to you.
            So are you a Christian or perhaps an Atheist? We have both around here so perhaps you could open a discussion that is in a reasonable way.
            Blessings!

          • Swed.

            Seriously, you are defending a Pedophile cult that practices FGM and you call yourself a christian.
            Might want to get the bulb in your light checked, it is a bit erratic.
            This cult will eventually slaughter you and your ilk or force you to convert.
            That and get a reality fix, the last 1600 years are a solid indicator of what islam is all about, you ignore history at your own peril.
            Christian, now I really have heard it all.

          • Sharon_at_home

            You don’t even know anything about me, so how about you end the demeaning parts and lets discuss it without seeing who can put the other down the farthest? I’m really not good at that game.

            If you are a Christian, no matter what the situation is, you are supposed to act like Jesus would in the same circumstances. He was never agitated like you are. Jesus was a calm man who told us to love each other. The way you talk isn’t showing any love or shining any light.

            Don’t underestimate me just because I am not as aggressive about my opinions as you are, I am by no means stupid and have experienced a lot of things in my life. I’ve learned that most people will treat me well if I treat them well.

            God gives all of us different jobs to do here on earth, right? I believe that. So I guess you are the ones chosen to fret about the war that you read from history. I was told (and do) give my burdens to the Lord. It makes it a much calmer journey through the life the Lord has given us.

            I believe I was called to do God’s Will and help people understand what they need to know about Jesus, His love, repentance of sins, and Salvation.

            I don’t know what God’s Will is for you but he would not want you to incite hate and violence not matter what the situation is. He told us to love our enemies. You think Muslims are your/our enemies, I believe?

            I am not worried about what the Muslims are supposedly doing because what ever happens is supposed to happen and I trust God to get me through. Just as I am supposed to do.

            Blessings!

          • Swed.

            Wow, that is the biggest pile of psychobabble I have seen so far.
            Impressive.
            Time to grow up and do your homework.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Then you are not a Christian and are here only to incite racism… in Christians? Sounds like a plan destined to fail if you realize that a Christian would not say anything you have said and are more likely to look to God to trust Him to take care of them.
            If I had met you in person I would likely go to the other side of the street to avoid you if I saw you again because of the way you use your words. The Lord told us to avoid people like you in our lives, and that is what I am going to do. Good-bye…

          • Swed.

            Are you really that blind and stupid, if so good riddance.
            You will be quickly out of the gene pool.

            Using God as an excuse is pathetic, dishonest and immoral.
            Since when is it “racist” to want to defend my country against a hostile invading force.
            You are seriously mixed up and obviously delusional.
            Get help and leave the Doobie alone, you have obviously had too much.

      • Swed.

        What is it like to be unconscious for the last 40 years?

        The toxin of islam will destroy any country it is allowed to fester in.
        You seem incapable of history or the facts.

        • Chris

          What’s it like to think you know not only the future but the thoughts and intentions of millions of people?

          Your paranoia is a mental illness. It will destroy you. Please, for your own sake see a psychologist.

          • Swed.

            So treasonous and stupid, bad combination.
            Seems you are immune to the last 1600 years of history.
            Also immune to the facts. CAIR pay well?

          • Chris

            I’m a historian so I am aware of history. I’m also aware of dark Christian history. Shall we examine that together?

          • Swed.

            Ah, history major, “Want Fry’s with that” degree.

            So immune to the facts, immune to history.
            Immune to reality, and where is your nurse, she is late with your med’s.
            Sad and pathetic, seems nothing you say will have the ring of truth.
            Stop wasting my time.

          • Jarold

            Chris – Did you study history at Trump university? Seems to me you are either omitting historic facts on purpose, or ignoring them because you support terror. Either way, I would consider you unemployable. You claim to have a degree, yet display no understanding of the topics you pretend to know all about. I would get my money back from Trump university.

          • Swed.

            Trump University credits would probably carry over but this poor bastard (chris) is an auzzie. Your assumptions are typically flawed and pathetic. another useful idiot.

            Chris is incapable of facts and too pathetically stupid to do research which leads me to think the “history” degree is a fiction or he would be more knowledgeable.

          • Chris

            Why do you keep voting your own remarks up? And why do you keep calling people names rather than countering their arguments? Is it because you can’t?

          • Swed.

            Wow, sad and pathetic. And still at it.
            Get help.

            Since you are not able to understand history and current events this is a complete waste of time.

          • Chris

            I’m not the one dealing in ad homs but since it seems that’s all yo’ve got then…blocked.

            And one final thing. I forgive you. Have a nice evening.

          • Swed.

            How astonishingly arrogant of you.

          • Sharon_at_home

            That’s a fantastic reply Chris! Made me smile! Bless you!

          • Chris

            Thank you. And I pray your blessings are returned many-fold.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Well aren’t you the perfect person! do you think that everyone who does not agree with you is “incapable of facts etc” or is it just people from Australia that you treat so badly?
            Is there some reason you are on a Christian comment board? You certainly don’t seem to be acting like a Christian should. Did you come here only to demean Muslims and the other posters who disagree with you?
            I happen to know that Chris is a very educated man, so I think he’s a bit more up on these things than you are since you look at sites that want to convince people of this BS just so they can fall for it. Guess who fell for it? It wasn’t Chris, or myself. Between the 3 of us, that leaves just you.
            Hope it doesn’t hurt too much when you reach the bottom.

          • Chris

            Actually history/ philosophy major. I went on to do a grad dip ed and an associate diploma in theology.

            “Sad and pathetic, seems nothing you say will have the ring of truth.”

            I forgive ya. And I’m sure that nothing I say will make the slightest difference to someone who’s already made up their mind.

          • Swed.

            Wow, not even McDonalds would waste the time.
            Sorry to hear you wasted so much time and money.
            There is always training in small engine repair available.
            Classic Saul Alinsky response, sad and entirely expected.
            It is becoming more obvious why australia is failing.
            Pity was a great country.

          • Chris

            Another ad hom and not a very original one.

    • Sharon_at_home

      I find it highly unlikely that the USA would ever accept the old men marrying the child brides idea.
      I doubt that the school would even mention that old men marry the children, as it is not an accepted thing in our civilization. It maybe discussed in the older grades (high school/ university) as part of a course, but not in elementary classes.
      Homosexuality is another topic all together and one of them being allowed is not the “beginning” of everything being accepted.

      • commonsense4sure

        It’s called creeping sharia – LEARN about it!

        • Chris

          It’s called paranoia.

          Prove to me that it will happen. Offer your evidence.

          • Jarold

            Chris, stop acting like you’re some kind of scientist. Every attempt you make to defend islam is old and worn out, it’s beyond laughable. Either you are unwilling, or incapable of doing your own research. Either way, I don’t care. You’re nothing but a useful id10t.

            CAIR is a terrorist organization, and should be declared as such.
            It should be removed from the US and Canada, immediately.

          • Chris

            “Chris, stop acting like you’re some kind of scientist.”

            Not a scientist, a philosopher. It’s not only science that uses logic.

            “Every attempt you make to defend islam is old and worn out,…”

            Facts often are. Being old doesn’t make facts false. That the Earth orbits the sun is an old fact – still true though.

            “Either you are unwilling, or incapable of doing your own research. ”

            That’s not how the burden of proof works. The one who makes the claim has the burden of proof.

            “Either way, I don’t care. You’re nothing but a useful id10t.”

            ‘But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be
            subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister,
            ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’
            will be in danger of the fire of hell.’

            ‘CAIR is a terrorist organization, and should be declared as such.
            It should be removed from the US and Canada, immediately.”

            Still waiting for the evidence.

          • Jarold

            Chris – Like I said, you obviously have no idea how to do research. That is how find facts. You should get your money back for your degree that you claim to have.

          • Chris

            Once again it isn’t up to me to do YOUR research for you. You made the claims therefore YOU supply the evidence.

          • Jarold

            CAIR officially endorsed Hamas in 1994, and has never since condemned it. Instead, they conceal any connections to it. All Muslims support CAIR.
            It seems you need a history lesson, Mr. Historian. I hope you didn’t spend too much on that so called degree of yours.

          • Chris

            I’ll give the same reply I did previously ”

            “CAIR endorsed Hamas in 1994, and never officially condemned it,
            instead, they conceal connections to it. Having said that, almost all
            Muslims support CAIR, without question.”

            Two points:
            1) Prove that every Muslim supports CAIR.
            2) prove that every Muslim knows of their connection to Hamas.

            All you seem to be doing is making one unsupported claim to support another unsupported claim.

        • Swed.

          Chris works for CAIR and is dangerously delusional.

        • Sharon_at_home

          I’d rather not be paranoid or Islamophobic as you are.
          Thanks but I’m much happier because I do not fear them, nor dislike the ones I do know.
          I also do not agree with racism and your comment is very racist, no matter what you “think” is going to happen.
          If it happens then it’s meant to happen. There is a reason for everything. The reason is not always a bad thing either.
          Try thinking in the positive and believe (realize) that the Muslim people don’t like what ISIS is doing either, and if you haven’t read any of the moderate Muslims object to them making all Muslims look bad, then you are ignoring them. They have been objecting to it, but they can’t do any more than we can by objecting about it. It’s not like the people here have any sway with those ones that are acting so badly.

          I’m happier letting the Lord deal with the way the world is turning out.

          • Cathy Adams

            Sharon, I usually agree with your views and I sense that you are kindhearted. There are some people that do want to destroy others because they disagree. It is not wrong or unbiblical to know your enemy and be prepared. I believe that you are giving those of the Muslim faith the benefit of the doubt. It is one thing to be hopeful and another to be naive. God expects us to know who our enemies are.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Actually I am not giving anyone the ‘benefit of the doubt’ but I understand why it must seem like it.
            It is not how God wants us to be towards others. I don’t dismiss the things of ‘the enemy’ – although I believe that is what Satan is called, not the Muslims. Talking to them with the love that Jesus asked us to treat each other cannot be wrong, and there is no better way to get to know ‘your enemy’ that to actually talk to people and understand others views so you can discern who is really your enemy, and who isn’t by their actions – or by their their fruits, right?
            I’m too old to be naive! lol! I’ve seen too much in my life to come close to naive. I do understand what is believed as described in God’s Word, and I totally trust the Lord in everything. I believe He knows what He is doing and nothing is missed by Him, nothing can be hidden. I also believe that there is nothing we can do to change what He has said will happen to us on the earth. So I am doing what He told us to do. Watch and wait. Until the day of His coming in the clouds, we are to keep trying to reach people and tell them about Jesus and salvation. We have to continue to love each other too. It is one of Jesus’ commandments.
            I also feel that by behaving like Jesus, I am reflecting Him in my ‘light’ and bringing glory to our Father in Heaven. When others see me/hear me/ talk to me, they will see a person that is trying to be as close to what Jesus was when He was here (as close as possible as no one is without sin) and hopefully some of them will want to know more and in turn they will learn more and Praise the Lord, they will repent and be saved. It is what Jesus told us we should do to show the goodness of Christians visibly to the world.
            I won’t go into my dislike of the way some Christians behave towards sinners, but I will say that my faith is very strong, and getting stronger every day. I won’t ignore anything, but I won’t take action on my own when Jesus did not tell us to. He is the only authority about what will happen and He told us very plainly what to expect. He also told us not to worry when we see the signs He described in His word. That He is going to keep us with Him so we can reach Heaven. If we believe and trust the Lord, we have nothing to be concerned about with regards to ‘the world’. He wants all to come to salvation and it’s our duty to bring as many people to understand as we can.
            I have very firm trust in our God. I have nothing that worries me because of my trust in Him. It is the best way to live as a Christian. Like Jesus.
            He wasn’t blind to the ways of the world when He was here, but he preached about being good people and doing good things for each other. He knew what would be happening in the world right now long ago and wrote it in His Word. We should all get to know the gospel well, if we are serious about following Jesus. It’s truly the best “sales pitch” for God’s salvation, isn’t it?
            I do appreciate you kindly pointing this out to me. If I hadn’t made a choice to always act like Jesus whenever I can, I would likely be more visible with the same concerns others have about the Muslims I think. People are converting between Islam and Christianity frequently these days, and showing fear or resentment or any negativity will not encourage a Muslim to convert. We must treat them the way we want to be treated, or we go against Jesus’ commandments.
            It’s good to know that there are Christians that will point to something they don’t understand, or think I am believing the wrong way. I like to know if I am not doing what I am supposed to do, the way I believe I should do it; helping each other to correct our views to be more in line with Jesus’.
            I appreciate the kind words you said about me and your concern as well.
            God bless and thank you so much again!

          • getstryker

            That is wisdom!

        • Nick Bush

          I’m more concerned about creeping Christian theocracy, considering the right’s erosion of the rights of non-Christians.

      • Patti Patterson

        Have you NEVER heard the story of the Little Boy and the Dyke? Absolutely the same concept. What starts out as a trickle becomes a stream becomes a torrent becomes a flood. So when you’ve opened the first door to unnatural acts, the rest will follow much more quickly.

        • Chris

          Have you ever heard the song about paranoia. It goes like this ‘Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when your always afraid. Step out of line, the man comes and takes you away. You better stop…”

          • Jarold

            Chris – You’re just a keyboard warrior who thinks he knows everything. You act like you’re better than everyone, and belittle anyone who doesn’t share your beliefs. A typical regressive left bigoted fascist. Go back to your fake news.

          • Chris

            “Chris – You’re just a keyboard warrior who thinks he knows everything.”

            Really? It’s amazing what you can tell about me when you’ve never even met me. I’m fascinated. Tell me easy stuff like my height and weight and we’ll go from there.

            “You act like you’re better than everyone, …”

            No. Just not paranoid. If someone makes a claim about a large group I ask for evidence then use logic to analyse it. As to the claims of the paranoids on this board I’ve read such claims before. Go back a generation and it was the communists, go back another couple and it was the same claims about the Catholics. Go back another couple of generations and it was about the Jews. Did any of those paranoid ravings come true?

            “..and belittle anyone who
            doesn’t share your beliefs.”

            I’m not calling people fools or traitors unless they agree with me. I’m suggesting the paranoia is the cause of your remarks. There is a cure now.

            “A typical regressive left bigoted fascist.
            Go back to your fake news.”

            Politically I’m neither right nor left. I’m a pragmatist. I’m also not from your country so your pigeon-holing doesn’t quite work on me.

          • Jarold

            “Politically I’m neither right nor left. I’m a pragmatist. I’m also not from your country so your pigeon-holing doesn’t quite work on me.”

            It seems to me that you are reading some of the bigoted regressive leftist garbage right out of their textbook.

            Do you just copy and paste, or..?

            I would recommend learning how to do proper research on these topics before you pretend to know everything and label people.
            Also, if you’re not in the country, it’s hardly your place to call people names, and label them.

          • Chris

            “It seems to me that you are reading some of the bigoted regressive leftist garbage right out of their textbook.”

            No. I’ve been reading some of the biggeted logic that says things like ‘claims require evidence’ and ‘every individual within a group is not guilty because other individuals are.’

            “I would recommend learning how to do proper research on these topics before you pretend to know everything and label people. ”

            Well when you make sweeping claims about what people will do in the future then what else am I to think except paranoia. However if you are saying that you haven’t got that I will accept your assertion and withhold judgement.

            You have still to provide me with evidence however. If I make a claim it isn’t up to you to prove me right. It’s up to me to support my claim with evidence.

            “Also, if you’re not in the country, it’s hardly your place to call people names, and label them.”

            One could make that claim about anyone neither of us know even if they are in the same country. However point taken about labeling. Mea culpa.

        • Sharon_at_home

          I’m curious are you a Christian?

    • Nick Bush

      Homosexuality – Harmless
      Abortion – Harmless except to the fetus worshipers
      Sexual exploitation of children – Harms children

      Logic is not your strong point, is it?

      • Jason Todd

        Homosexuality – Harmless

        Yeah. Except for AIDS, hepatitis, NAMBLA, etc, homosexuality is harmless.

        Abortion – Harmless except to the fetus worshipers

        Except for the women who have died from it, and the human being you refer to as a “fetus.”

        Logic is not your strong point, is it?

        And facts do not seem to be yours.

        • Nick Bush

          Straight people get AIDS and other diseases as well, not just gay people. Also, gay people can avoid such diseases by practicing safe sex, which due to the lack of a threat of pregnancy, unfortunately tends to be practiced less.. NAMBLA also has no relation to the LGBT movement except in the minds of homophobes.

          Abortion is a medical procedure like any other and has risks. People have died from routine surgery, usually due to complications or lack of expertise. Also, there is no consensus that a fetus is a person – fetuses are, indeed, human, as they have human DNA, but it’s still debatable as to whether or not they should be afforded the same rights as fully born humans.

          • Jason Todd

            Straight people get AIDS and other diseases as well,

            Not relevant. Homosexuals are far more likely to get HIV/AIDS than heterosexuals.

            NAMBLA also has no relation to the LGBT movement

            Except the founder, Harry Hay, was a homosexual, and it’s called the North American Man-Boy Love Association.

            Abortion is a medical procedure like any other and has risks.

            I know of no other medical procedure that requires zero oversight in spite of the number of injuries and deaths that have occurred as a result, do you?

            And don’t come at me with this stupid notion the unborn are not human. That science was settled years ago with GE 4-D ultrasound technology. And if they weren’t human, then why is Planned Parenthood harvesting and selling the body parts of something that’s not human?

          • Nick Bush

            Not relevant. Homosexuals are far more likely to get HIV/AIDS than heterosexuals.

            Homosexual males are more likely than heterosexuals, but heterosexuals are more likely than homosexual females. Seems the risk is not homosexuality itself but males.

            Except the founder, Harry Hay, was a homosexual, and it’s called the North American Man-Boy Love Association.

            Generalization fallacy. That’s like saying all Christians are abortion clinic bombers. Try again.

            I know of no other medical procedure that requires zero oversight in spite of the number of injuries and deaths that have occurred as a result, do you?

            Abortion clinics have to adhere to safety standards to operate. What are you smoking? Also, abortion is safer than childbirth, so if it were unregulated, then either abortion performers have superhuman skills, or they make it so that only licensed, competent doctors can perform them.

            And don’t come at me with this stupid notion the unborn are not human. That science was settled years ago with GE 4-D ultrasound technology.

            If you’d read my comment I stated that I agreed that fetuses are human. Where I disagreed was that fetuses are people. There is a difference between being human and having personhood.

            And if they weren’t human, then why is Planned Parenthood harvesting and selling the body parts of something that’s not human?

            They’re donating them for research and the only money that is received is reimbursement for shipping costs. It costs a lot to ship body parts because they need to be preserved, since rotten body parts are not very useful for research.

          • Jason Todd

            Homosexual males are more likely than heterosexuals, but heterosexuals are more likely than homosexual females.

            And? Meaningless and pointless.

            Generalization fallacy. That’s like saying all Christians are abortion clinic bombers. Try again.

            Nice try. But when the LGBTQW crowd becomes the most prevalent in the push to normalize sexual relations between adults and minor children, it stops being a fallacy and becomes incontrovertible fact.

            See the “Queer Kids Stuff” channel on YouTube, specifically the most recent video on “consent” as an example.

            Abortion clinics have to adhere to safety standards to operate.

            Lie #1.

            Explain Kermit Gosnell.

            abortion is safer than childbirth

            Lie #2. Self-evident.

          • Nick Bush

            And? Meaningless and pointless.

            I was illustrating that your point was invalid because homosexuality does not cause harm. The presence of a penis is more correlated to disease than homosexuality is.

            Nice try. But when the LGBTQW crowd becomes the most prevalent in the push to normalize sexual relations between adults and minor children, it stops being a fallacy and becomes incontrovertible fact.

            See the “Queer Kids Stuff” channel on YouTube, specifically the most recent video on “consent” as an example.

            Who is trying to normalize sex between children and adults besides pedophiles? I can’t watch that video right now, but from my understanding it only explains the general concept of consent. It doesn’t even mention sex.

            Lie #1.

            Explain Kermit Gosnell.

            Someone didn’t do their job. Restaurants operate all the time while violating health codes, doesn’t mean health codes don’t exist.

            Lie #2. Self-evident.

            Got any data to contradict that? I’d link mine but apparently Disqus doesn’t like when I post links, last time I did it said my post had to be approved :/ But you can easily do a Google search.

          • Jason Todd

            1) What part of what I said is invalid? There’s actually a whole lot of ways homosexuality is harmful. That’s just one. The LGBTQW agenda is another.

            2) Are you suggesting homosexuality and pedophilia are mutually exclusive (e.g., “There are no homosexual pedophiles?”)?

            If you are expressing an opinion on the video without having seen it, then you have compromised what minute credibility you have.

            3) The evidence I can provide is you are a complete imbecile if you are going to come in here and assert it’s better to kill your unborn baby than giving birth to it.

          • Nick Bush

            1) What part of what I said is invalid? There’s actually a whole lot of ways homosexuality is harmful. That’s just one. The LGBTQW agenda is another.

            You brought up diseases as a reason why homosexuality is harmful, and I pointed out that it wasn’t homosexuality that caused an increase in disease, but rather the presence of a penis. Obviously, more penises meant more disease, and none meant less. What other ways is it harmful, including the so-called “agenda”?

            2) Are you suggesting homosexuality and pedophilia are mutually exclusive (e.g., “There are no homosexual pedophiles?”)?

            Where did I say that? There are homosexual pedophiles, just like there are heterosexual pedophiles. Christ, you’re dense.

            If you are expressing an opinion on the video without having seen it, then you have compromised what minute credibility you have.

            I’m about to watch the consent video right now – couldn’t earlier because I was at work. After watching it, the only thing close to sex that it mentions is hugging. So like I said, it explains the general concept of consent. If you have a problem with that, then I don’t see why I’m bothering having a discussion with you, since you think that Planned Parenthood sells body parts for profit, that LGBT people want to include pedophiles, and you care more about a fetus than you do about the woman carrying it.

            3) The evidence I can provide is you are a complete imbecile if you are going to come in here and assert it’s better to kill your unborn baby than giving birth to it.

            Sorry, I assumed you were talking about abortion being more dangerous for the mother. I was saying that abortion is much safer for a mother than childbirth is.

          • Jason Todd

            What other ways is it harmful, including the so-called “agenda”?

            It’s not so called. It’s taking one’s sexual perversion and shoving it into the faces of others, in some cases literally, including children. It’s walking naked in broad daylight on a public street in full view of women and children, or scantily clad young boys dancing suggestively, and objecting to it is considered “homophobic.”

            The agenda is an endgame of moral and sexual anarchy.

            There are homosexual pedophiles

            Yep.

            So like I said, it explains the general concept of consent.

            The target audience of “Queer Kids Stuff” are three to seven years of age. Teaching homosexuality to children that age is in and of itself disgusting. But talking about consent to children that age in that kind of context is for one reason, and one reason alone. It’s called grooming.

            since you think that Planned Parenthood sells body parts for profit,

            Nope. I know they do. The fact you are defending that organization says more about your character than mine.

            that LGBT people want to include pedophiles,

            Nope. They do include pedophiles. Not just Harvey Milk, but also the founder of the Human Rights Campaign, Terry Bean. To name but two. There are more out there.

            and you care more about a fetus than you do about the woman carrying it.

            1) For someone who admits the unborn baby is human, you sure refuse to refer to the baby as such.

            2) What a lame troll.

            I was saying that abortion is much safer for a mother than childbirth is.

            Which means, again, you would rather see women get abortions than give birth.

            Not only is your assertion total horsecrap, it is also a totally butthead thing to say. Just what the bleep is the matter with you?

            Just because you choose to live without a moral compass doesn’t mean I have to be exposed to it.

            Blocked.

  • Last of the patriots

    The only thing these muslime scumE Muslime deserve , is a bullet between the eyes!!!

    • Ambulance Chaser

      You want to go around killing Muslims who have comitted no crime? That’s sick.

      • Al

        I’m saying don’t invite them in our country. “Death to America” Remember?

        • Chris

          Paranoia strike deep doesn’t it?

          • Swed.

            Nothing paranoid about not letting someone that wants to kill you into your house, that is just common sense. Something it seems you have a complete lack of.

          • Chris

            “Nothing paranoid about not letting someone that wants to kill you into
            your house, that is just common sense.”

            Assuming that every member of a large group is out to kill you is paranoia. What evidence do you have that even the majority of Muslims are out to get you?

            “Something it seems you have a
            complete lack of.”

            I prefer logic to common sense. It was common sense that said a ship made of metal couldn’t possibly float. It was common sense that said heavier weights fall faster than lighter weights. It was common sense that said the Earth was flat and that the sun went round it.

            I prefer logic and evidence.

          • Jarold

            Chris – Do you even know what logic and/or evidence even is?

            According to Islam, the quran (verbatim word of god) is 100% evidence that muhammad flew on a donkey into heaven.

            Which standard do you hold? Based on your lack of understanding of religions, and your name calling and bigoted comments towards others, I’m guessing the latter.

          • Chris

            “Chris – Do you even know what logic and/or evidence even is?”

            Logic “The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning.”

            Evidence ” The means by which an allegation may be proven.”

            I hope that helped.

            “According to Islam, the quran (verbatim word of god) is 100% evidence that muhammad flew on a donkey into heaven.”

            The claims in a book are just that – claims. Claims are not evidence. Claims are what have to be proven BY evidence.. I’m sure that orthodox Muslims would claim that the claims in the Quran are evidence. They are mistaken. Fundie Christians claim that the claims in the bible are evidence. They are also wrong.

            “Which standard do you hold?”

            That of skeptics. There are two principles. a) All claims require evidence to support any conclusion. b) Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Which one do you think Muhammad flying up to heaven on a winged donkey falls into?

          • Sharon_at_home

            “Which standard do you hold? Based on your lack of understanding of
            religions, and your name calling and bigoted comments towards others,
            I’m guessing the latter.”

            Funny that… I’ve read through the comments and haven’t seen Chris be bigoted, or seen him use “name calling” at all. And regarding religion, he’s researched more about religions of the world than you have retained in your pinky finger. There are many things that you could learn by listening to him.

            You are a bigot for the way you are talking about Muslims according to the definition: noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots; a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. Chris on the other hand allows others to have their opinions, but tries to help them see another view, rather than just being intolerant of them. He would rather people who are bigoted would listen to him and at the very least try to understand what he is showing them.

          • Al

            Stupid also strikes deep dumbass.

          • Chris

            I forgive ya.

          • Chris

            Oh and by the way “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be
            subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister,
            ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’
            will be in danger of the fire of hell.”

        • Ambulance Chaser

          What about it? There are many Muslims who have never said that. There are probably some non Muslims who believe that. I don’t see the point you’re trying to make.

          • Al

            No you cannot see it. You won’t look. It’s in the Koran. They have to kill us infidels.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, and you are supposed to kill witches. But I’m willing to bet you haven’t. Because you don’t do everything the Bible tells you to. You ignore the things that are inconvenient, illegal, or unconscionable, just like Muslims.

          • Swed.

            And yet you continue to blather on and on and on.

      • Swed.

        Start with Quran (2:216) then:
        Quran (3:56)
        – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in
        this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
        Quran (5:33)
        – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and
        strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered
        or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides
        or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this
        world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
        And the list goes on and on.
        This is a militarized cult bent on the destruction of western civilization, it is NOT a religion but an invading force.
        So you are either stupid or complicit in the acts of treason this cult is guilty of, which is it?

        • Chris

          Shall we include verses from the bible? How about this gem? “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks” [Psalm 137: 9]

          • Swed.

            I am going to go with complicit, which is far worse than stupid.
            At least the stupid can use ignorance to explain their bad choices.

            You are continued proof that liberalism is a dangerous mental disorder.

          • Chris

            Where as I’m going with won’t listen and paranoid. They have medication for paranoia now. You can be helped. Please go to a doctor and show them what you’ve written.

          • Jarold

            A typical defense for bigoted apologists: compare it to the bible.
            It’s certainly entertaining watching you vomit your ignorance all over here. It’s very clear that you either haven’t done any research on religion whatsoever, or you’re a troll. I’m going with the latter.

          • Chris

            “A typical defense for bigoted apologists: compare it to the bible. ”

            I haven’t done anything except what you did. Shall I respond to your post the same way?

            “It’s
            certainly entertaining watching you vomit your ignorance all over here. It’s very clear that you either haven’t done any research on religion
            whatsoever, or you’re a troll. I’m going with the latter.”

            Well I do have an associate diploma in theology. Does that help ease your mind? Or doesn’t it count because you don’t agree with the verses I quoted?

            By the way an apology would by an interpretation of those verses, not merely quoting them verbatim. Words have meaning ya know.

          • Sharon_at_home

            FYI Trolls don’t discuss. Their whole intention is to bicker, belittle and be rude to everyone. They also don’t hang around for long. Chris has been here for quite a while, and has had many serious discussions with posters here.
            TBH The way you behave is far more like a Troll.

          • Jarold

            Chris – Again, you haven’t done any research, yet you come in here calling people stupid. Why don’t YOU provide some evidence?
            Or you are a muslim performing Taquiya?
            You’re not fooling anyone.

          • Chris

            “Chris – Again, you haven’t done any research, yet you come in here calling people stupid. ”

            I haven’t used the word or hinted at it. As to research I’m NOT the one making the claims. I merely pointed out that every human lacks telepathic ability and the ability to fortell the future.

            I would have thought those conclusions were pretty obvious. However if you’re claiming otherwise I’d be delighted to examine your evidence.

            “Why don’t YOU provide some evidence?”

            Because I haven’t made any claims yet apart from the ones given immediately above. Positive claims require positive evidence. You’re the one making the positive claim therefore…

            “Or you are a muslim performing Taquiya?”

            I’m a Zoroastrian. The neoZoroastrian kind.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Neither. I’m smart enough to know that the Mirfak that something is in the Koran doesn’t mean that every Muslim have to follow it. You don’t follow everything in your Bible, and Jews don’t follow everything in the Torah. I don’t know why Muslims would be any different.

          • Swed.

            No, you just proved that you are not smart enough.

            You seem to be immune to facts, history, also immune to gravity?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            If you want to prove that I am immune to facts, it would help if you provided some. Now, are you going to refute anything I said or just continue to insult me?

          • Swed.

            No insulting you is far more fun.
            Facts don’t bother you.
            History does not bother you.
            Must be sad and pathetic to be so delusional and incapable.
            So working at McDonalds or White Castle for your day job?
            Try reading history, the latest news would be a good start, 23 children dead in England. But then the facts are simply an impediment to you aren’t they?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            No, I’m aware of the concert bombing last week. I’m just not aware of what larger point you’re trying to make by bringing it up.

            One Muslim blows up a concert, that means all Muslims are terrorists? So when a group of white, right-wing Americans took over a wildlife refuge, does that mean that all white, right-wing Americans are also terrorists?

          • Swed.

            I have heard about the effects of carfentanil but your delusions seem to exceed even the published effects.
            Immune to history yet purport to be a lawyer which is a “profession” that argues precedent.

            Wow, you might want to visit the ER and get the antidote.
            You seem to be immune to any points made by others which further argues against your being a lawyer, they are paid to listen and most I have met seem to be able to accept facts at least temporarily.
            So history will not inform you, current events shows you nothing, time for you to get a job more suited to your denial,, Burger King or McDonalds seem a good fit and they will train.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            When someone makes some kind of point, let me know. Until then, have fun with your insults.

          • Swed.

            What point would work for you.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, now we’re getting somewhere. Why don’t you show me some kind of controlled study that demonstrates that–all other factors being equal–Muslims are more likely than non-Muslims to commit acts of terror?

      • Last of the patriots

        Your the one who’s sick and stupid, not to understand that those people will kill you no matter what. Just because you don’t follow there agenda, which is world domination, and killing of the infidels. I guess your just another stupid sheeple🐑…

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Who are “these people?” Muslims? If that’s what you mean, you’re demonstrably wrong because I have many Muslim friends, none of whom have killed me.

        • Sharon_at_home

          You are on a religious site and you are arguing with someone who in your view is likely an atheist (and you know – smart) so I am assuming you are here as a religious person, likely a Christian. Please tell me if I am wrong in those assumptions.
          As a religious person, if you are following what Jesus told us in the gospel, you should trust Jesus with the ways the world is going, knowing that it is supposed to happen the way He told us. He told us to make us aware, not so we could try to change it.
          He told us to watch and wait, and look to the signs He told us about that are warnings to sinners and for us to recognize that it is approaching. He specifically spoke of how the world was going to be including the sins that will be wide-spread. The wars. The earthquakes in diverse places. Open your eyes to that time and make sure you are as pure as you can be for your salvation. This is a time to reassess ourselves to know if there are iniquities still in the way we live. He asked us to be Holy, as He is Holy. We both know we cannot be Holy like Him, because Jesus came to earth to experience what we lived like/felt like etc. as well as to teach us the way to salvation by loving and behaving in the way he points out.
          Don’t fear anyone Brother, Trust God.
          He told us to continue in our duty of spreading the gospel and bringing people to Him and have salvation right up to His return.
          Stop worrying about it, and trust God to take care of everything just like He always has. Trusting in God is a major factor in receiving salvation.
          Read the New Testament daily to understand what is required for our salvation that is told to us by Jesus when He talked to the multitudes about how He wanted everyone to behave so there would no longer be crying and strife for His people. It was what He wanted for us in the first place but He allowed us free will, and Adam and Eve were the first to stop trusting in God and instead trusted themselves (and satan) thinking they would be the best to direct their lives, instead of God.
          So If you are a Christian, you should not be calling people names like you are, or demeaning any one who you discuss things with, especially when it is because of your Pride that makes you say those things. You do know that Pride is what makes you decide you are right and anyone who disagrees with your view is [insert disrespectful word here], right? If you were humble like the Lord directed us to be, you would not treat anyone badly for any reason.
          Obviously if you are not a Christian this will have no meaning for you, and I expect to read of your contempt of what I have tried to point out to you as one Christian to another.
          God bless!

  • Franie

    Barrera is the latest stooge to be hoodwinked by the Council on Islamic-American Relations aka CAIR. Either THAT, or Barrera has been PAID OFF aka BRIBED!!!!

    I’m getting really tired of CAIR insidiously and incrementally establishing their culture, which incidentally goes AGAINST our culture, in all of our institutions. CAIR has infiltrated our government at nearly EVERY LEVEL, and now is DEMANDING this crap in our schools.

    These UnAmerican “enemies within” refuse to acclimate to our culture and values. They throw it into our faces daily by wearing those hajibs aka babushkas. You don’t see the Slavic people in our country wearing babushkas now, do you? No, they are a proud people who WANT to adapt to our country, not change it!

    It’s high time CAIR is THROWN OUT OF OUR COUNTRY!! They ARE the ENEMY WITHIN!! They ARE looking to overthrow our government and our people. When is President Trump going to vet these people, most of whom are here illegally thanks to Obama and his open borders and flooding our country with these so-called refugees.

    I’m sick that people like Barrera and the dam^ed democrats, along with the abhorrent main stream media, are truly ripping our country apart at the seams. They are responsible for the devisive derision our country is going through now. They are responsible for the exhorbitant murder rates in our major cities. They are also responsible for our excessive welfare system, stealing from those who have, to give to those who refuse to work!!!

    • Swed.

      Islam was banned from the USA in 1952, The Immigration and Nationality Act passed June 27, 1952 revised the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality for the
      United States. See Pub. L. 82–414, 66 Stat. 163, enacted June 27, 1952), also known as the McCarran–Walter Act.

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Yes, and then it was superseded by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and then again by the Immigration Act of 1990, so even if Islam was “banned” in 1952, it’s irrelevant because it isn’t anymore.

        • Swed.

          Not true but see 18 USC 113B and 18 USC 2331 and 2332B.
          Aiding and abetting a terrorist organization is a crime under 18 USC 1324.

          Since CAIR is a criminal organization in many countries and will become one here soon your argument is invalid.

          • Chris

            Good idea. Teach a lawyer about the law. That’s not arrogant at all.

          • Swed.

            You cannot teach a lawyer anything, they are simply acolytes for a corrupt quasi religious system.
            The laws still stand and are enforceable which surprisingly enough includes lawyers, judges and government bureaucrats.
            The facts still stand.

          • Chris

            “You cannot teach a lawyer anything, they are simply acolytes for a corrupt quasi religious system.”

            Paranoid about the law too I see. Are you paranoid about other things? Are the dogs plotting against you? Are the cats secretly in league with the lawyers?

            “the facts still stand”.

            You haven’t presented any facts, jast paranoid ravings.

          • Swed.

            You have assumed the position of absolute knowledge and control of the law, how humble of you. Your Delusions of grandeur seem to be getting worse, get help.

            Call your nurse, you need your afternoon meds.

            And yes the facts still stand, history is still a reference to determine the future.

          • Chris

            “You have assumed the position of absolute knowledge …”

            Is that why I keep asking for evidence? Strange thing for someone who has assumed absolute knowledge to do.

            “..and control of the law, …”

            What? How do I control the law? And how do I control US law when I live in Australia?

            “And yes the facts still stand,…”

            You keep using that word but I do not think it means what you think it means.

          • Swed.

            How many facts will be needed, 1, 10, 100, 1000?
            Since you are incapable of research try reading the Muslim Brotherhood to start.
            Talk to those that have live through the horrors of islam in the middle east.
            Talk to the parents of those killed at the concert in England

            Sorry to hear you live in Australia, that used to be a great country.
            Good luck and good bye.

          • Chris

            “How many facts will be needed, 1, 10, 100, 1000?”

            That depends on what is being claimed. The more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary the evidence required. Go back to your first post. How much evidence do YOU think will be required to support it?

            “Since you are incapable of research try reading the Muslim Brotherhood to start.”

            Once again it isn’t up to me to prove your claims correct.

            Since you are claiming that all Muslims are doing X you would need to show that every single Muslim, or at least those in the US, are intent on doing X. Quoting an extremist group doesn’t work. I can quote from extremist Christian groups. Does that mean all Christians are extremists?

            “Talk to those that have live through the horrors of Islam in the middle east.”

            I have. The Zoroastrian priest who teaches me the Gathas had to leave Persia due to prejudice. He also told us of Muslims who helped him, of Muslims who hated the regime and so on. Should he blame the Muslims who helped him because of the ones who hurt him?

            “Talk to the parents of those killed at the concert in England.”

            I have. I’ve also spoken to people killed by McVeigh. I’ve spoken to people who have been harmed by Christian extremists. Should all Christians be blamed because of their stories?

            “Sorry to hear you live in Australia, that used to be a great country.”
            Still is.

          • Swed.

            Still at it, you seem to be batting zero. but then that is to be expected.

            Your claims and interpretations are comical but what I have come to expect from the deeply delusional.
            Sad and unfortunately expected, pity about the Auzzies, used to be a great country, failed and spiraling the drain now.
            Good luck, maybe Hong Kong or China would be better opportunities if you get training.
            Get help and a job.

          • Chris

            “Still at it, you seem to be batting zero. but then that is to be expected.”

            I often do with people who won’t listen.

            “Your claims and interpretations are comical but what I have come to expect from the deeply delusional.”

            I haven’t made any claims yet. Merely asked for evidence.

          • Jarold

            Chris – You haven’t presented a single fact about anything, you’re just a trolling hypocrite.

          • Chris

            I haven’t made a positive claim yet. I’ve merely critiqued yours. If I were to say something like ‘all fundies are peaceful people’ you could well reply ‘prove it’.

            That’s all I’m doing and then critiquing your reply. Ask me for my opinion and I’ll be more than happy to give it.

          • Jarold

            Chris – You are the arrogant one here. Unfortunately for you, you’re making a complete fool of yourself.

          • Chris

            In what way?

          • Jarold

            If you don’t know what Hamas is, what they do, and what they stand for, then you have no business being here acting like an arrogant know-it-all making comments and calling people names.

          • Chris

            Not every single Muslim is a member of Hamas. That being the case not every single Muslim can be blamed for their activities.

            I knew people who, a few decades ago, would blame all Catholics or all Irish because of the activities of the IRA.

          • Jarold

            CAIR endorsed Hamas in 1994, and never officially condemned it, instead, they conceal connections to it. Having said that, almost all Muslims support CAIR, without question.

            So, if you don’t mind, please go learn how to do research before you come in here and berate people, when you hardly know anything about the topic you’re speaking about.

          • Chris

            “CAIR endorsed Hamas in 1994, and never officially condemned it, instead, they conceal connections to it. Having said that, almost all Muslims support CAIR, without question.”

            Two points:
            1) Prove that every Muslim supports CAIR.
            2) prove that every Muslim knows of their connection to Hamas.

            All you seem to be doing is making one unsupported claim to support another unsupported claim.

          • Jarold

            Since you are so clueless to the islamic world, let’s try this another way:

            Find me a single Muslim who has condemned CAIR, or rejected CAIR in any way whatsoever.
            If your’e a Canadian or American muslim, you automatically support CAIR actions. If you do not, then you’re keeping it a secret. If you speak out against anything islamic, then you will be shunned by your local islamic community and family. I have read countless ex-Muslim stories and confessions to support these claims, and many other claims I haven’t even made here. This is just one claim.
            It is not possible to know what everyone is thinking, but one can come to general consensus after seeing and hearing so much of the same thing.

          • Chris

            Your wish is my command. From fox news. ‘They don’t speak for me’: New Muslim groups reject CAIR representation

          • Chris

            “It is not possible to know what everyone is thinking, but one can come
            to general consensus after seeing and hearing so much of the same thing.”

            Well it’s possible but extremely unlikely. Professional psychologists would hesitate to analyse a person long distance merely based on some sensational reports

          • Chris

            “I have read countless ex-Muslim stories and confessions to support these
            claims, and many other claims I haven’t even made here. This is just
            one claim.”

            May the claims you’ve read from these sources be a smidge biased? Now this isn’t to dismiss their claims but each claim needs to be checked out not just accepted because a lot of people say it. A lot of people say Elvis lives too, doesn’t make it true.

          • Jarold

            This thread is not about the IRA, as much as you would like it to be.

            Your topic deflection tactics are fruitless. If you want to talk about the IRA, go to reddit.

          • Chris

            “This thread is not about the IRA, as much as you would like it to be.”

            Analogy “Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.”

          • Ambulance Chaser

            CAIR is a criminal organization? What criminal acts has it committed?

          • Jarold

            Are you kidding me??? Do I have to do the research for you?
            Have you not heard of Hamas?
            I recommend learning how to study this stuff on your own. You’re making a complete fool of yourself.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, you do have to do the research. But not for me, for you. The burden of proof is on the person making the assertion. It’s not my responsibility to prove your case for you.

          • Sharon_at_home

            No IMO you are making a fool of yourself, and I mean that in the best way: to help you understand why you should go to many sites with many views of these things before you make your own decisions about people you have no knowledge of except for the negative views. Try reading the articles about the positive things instead and weigh them for righteousness rather than only knowing one side of a situation?
            Maybe you will realize that there are sites that are in contrast with your view and if you read them, maybe some of them will give you a better impressions of the people, not the ones who use twisted versions of their holy scriptures to hold their atrocities up as the religious commandments, rather than what the scriptures say in truth. Have you ever looked up what someone gives about references to the Koran to validate them with what they say? I have and each and every point this person made was totally wrong. Not one matched any scriptures in the Koran, and even in the bible scriptures he was quoting were used out of context so he could convince people that there was a reasonable comparison between the Koran and the Bible scriptures that supposedly proved that Islam was of the devil/satan. Think about that. He couldn’t legitimately prove what he wanted the public to believe, he had to lie and hope someone like me wouldn’t actually check it out and expose it to the others.

            Look at who is doing the bulk of fighting on the ground against ISIS: Iraq, Turkey, and the Kurds – they are all Islamic followers. Is that not enough to make you realize that it is not all Muslims that agree with how Hamas and ISIS view the Koran? They would not be killing them themselves if they felt ISIS was reflecting a true version of Islam would they? I’ll answer that for you: No they wouldn’t: they would be starting the problems that you view as reality actually happen. But it isn’t true for the majority of Muslims. Those countries fighting against ISIS is proof of that in of themselves. The people in the world who are spread out of their own homes are not all from areas that support ISIS. They are usually from places that are fighting against them.

            Please, Open your eyes to what is going on and stop demeaning the Muslims who are in the USA for not saying anything loudly about their dislike of ISIS who can’t DO something about it anyway. Since Islamic countries are fighting ISIS it is Obvious that they do not follow the Koran the way the violent people that twist and lie about what it says.

            I am using this as a simple comparison to show it in a way that if you think about it, you will understand it clearly.

            It would be (in a much much smaller way) like me not agreeing with the way other Christians behave because they are not showing Jesus’ love like the gospel tell us to. They are both the same basic religions, but they don’t agree on how to approach someone they consider a sinner.

            (1) They want to Forcefully tell people that they are sinners and doomed to Eternal Damnation for the sins. Then they expect people to repent their sins and listen to their view of the bibles commands for us. I can’t imagine it works very often – or ever for that matter.

            (2)Myself and other Christians believe that it is salvation that is what we should teach people – as well as Jesus’ love – and that repentance is something that is voluntary, not able to be forced as it is not an honest repentance and God will know that it isn’t.

            So they are the more violent Christians (1) – same in a way to the more violent Muslims (ISIS) (1)

            We as quieter Christian faiths who do not get as aggressive about sin, but help them to see what Jesus’ offer is about without needing to demean them.

            We are like what people call the (2) moderate Muslims who don’t believe that the Koran tells them to be like ISIS because in our case, we do not see them acting like what we believe Christians should act.

            Does that give you more information to look for, to find out that what you believe is wrong. I can’t imagine more proof than Islamic nations fighting ISIS that Muslims don’t agree with them?

            BTW I confirmed that it was true.

            I have been given more information to help see what ISIS does to the meaning of the Koran so if you’d like them, I’ll post them.

            God Bless!

    • Maggie Smith

      I agree wholeheartedly with this – especially the second paragraph from the end. Will there be Christian SAFE PLACES, Buddhist SAFE PLACES, Jewish SAFE PLACES, etc, for them?

    • Sharon_at_home

      SMH Franie, you do realize that Christianity is already very well known about in your nation? It sounds to me like it is already everywhere, and adding the cultures that are here now to our children’s knowledge to aid them in the future when it is not just a suggestion to tolerate everyone, but a social norm. Teach them your faith and what you want them to believe, and trust them to resist any temptations in the world, just like you did and any child reared in the Christian faith. It was harder for all of the ones that believe but have to be ‘in the world’ where sin prevails. But we have all been taught to know right from wrong the same way; for the same things.

      I think when you said you have read the Koran, you meant you have read those parts of the Koran and not all of it. Did you do what we need to do when we read the bible and look at the whole chapter to be confident that what you read reflects what you believe about the Lord. If it does not go along with your view, you have to ask so you can understand it from someone else so you can use it when you read the bible.

      I know from experience that it is wrong to believe someone else’s opinion as just when it comes to other cultures.

      My husband and I are Caucasians and we joined a Pentecostal Church. Our whole church is Jamaican. Every Sunday for the first 2 years it was like I was in another country: Jamaica. It was a real eye opener to see how much different they are compared to what people believe. I have come to enjoy their culture and actually wish I could be a Jamaican at times because of it.

      Because people hear about Black children/teens in so many negative ways in the media, they believe everyone who is black behaves the same way. I was not acquainted with a lot of people of other races except when I worked 30 years ago. I knew some but not many, until I joined my church. My church has a Bay Street Lawyer, An accountant, Nurses, a Technician, a Mechanic, Teachers as well as people who work in the service industry, and they are all hard working people who teach their children to be good members of society, and to stay away from the troublemakers.

      I was taught the same way without it being a part of a religion – for me it was just good behaviour but the ideal was passed down generation to generation and our ancestors were religious, and are likely still the source of what is believed to be ‘proper manners’ today.

      Don’t take other people’s view as your truth about things. Look into it by looking for some Muslims to talk to and get honest understanding of what they say. Make a list of questions to ask about with people (Muslims) so you get the answers you need.

      Most of all be polite and have a kind attitude with everyone. When they recognize that you are not listening with understanding they will not want to talk to you anymore. Why would they want to talk to someone who won’t trust what they say is true?

      Start going to more sites about Muslims and what the people are like. Just because it says they can lie, does not mean that every single one of them Will lie. They are told not to lie and then told when a lie only if it is necessary – for the life of that individual if I remember correctly.

      CAN ANYONE tell me how to recognize a respectable site compared to a sloppy site with erroneous information. The sloppy sites look like respectable sites if you don’t know better. Getting two views is easy in this ‘net world. Is there a site that we can look at to know if a specific site is a better source of truth than another one?

      For instance, I read an article on a news site that was called theBlaze. I still don’t know if I should consider what I read there as twisted versions or not.

      I’d really appreciate some advice about this. I think there are many people who are not sure of some sites too.

      Franie, I hope when we get some suggestions that you will use that tool to research Muslims with honesty from the right sites.

      When you read a person’s racist views, you will agree because that’s what they are aimed at – justifying the hate. the basis is about fear of others who are different. That fear is what grows into racism and intolerance.

      It is also apparent in views that are ignorant of the complete truth and only repeat what they have been convinced of by reading a site that promotes hatred towards other people for example Muslims, or refugees; there are sites that are devoted to the hatred of other people, for goodness sake. You suggest I research something that I already have and I am still learning about so I actually know the truth not someone else’s lies. But it sounds like you have restricted your research to only one kind of site instead of doing a broad search and finding different things to give you more of an understanding so you can assess whether you are concerned for a true reason, not because someone else’s “reasonable” statements that “sound” true.

      Ask God for wisdom and understanding about it.
      “James 1:5-6 (KJV)
      5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men
      liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
      6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave
      of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.”
      God bless you my sister.

  • jerry1944

    I cair is for something its not good for this country And thats the truth

  • ch

    In case the city of San Diego has forgotten. CAIR is a terrorist organization. obama loved them so much he changed all that and more

    • Chris

      Evidence please.

  • William Keen

    Just as long as they teach ALL about Islam!

    Post the photos of the beheadings, stonings, and punishment for children on the hallway walls for ALL the students to see.

    Oh yes, post photos of the punishment that occurs in the Christian, Judea, Communist countries for the SAME offenses!

    Just to be FAIR!

    Teach the TRUTH for everyone to judge for themselves.

    • Chris

      Shall we also post the photos of Christian bombings? The murder of gays? How about the activities of terrorist groups like ‘the Lord’s Army’?

      Are all Christians dangerous because all these Christians commit these violent acts? Should we judge you all guilty?

      • Swed.

        There are NO Christian Bombings, so CAIR pay well?

        So complicit or stupid?

        • Chris

          No Christian bombings? really?

          Ever heard of the Oklahoma city bombing by Timothy McVeigh? How about the bombing of abortion clinics? There’s also been attempts to blow up the Al Aqsa mosque by Christians.

          But why stop at bombings? We can talk about people who were shot by Christians, hung by Christians, would you like me to go on?

          • Swed.

            Wow, your meds are really not working, and then you drank the cool aid.

            I love the example of bombing a clinic that kills children to stop the killing of children, how humanitarian of you.
            Impressive levels of sickness and hatred, so mush misinformation.
            Oklahoma was a red flag operation, military grade focused charge explosive not a truck full of fertilizer, go back and look at the damage cone. The muzzies just blew up a concert full of children killing 23, that make you happy.
            Stop wasting my time, and get help.

          • Chris

            “I love the example of bombing a clinic that kills children to stop the killing of children, how humanitarian of you.”

            So murdering people is ok as long as it’s for a cause you agree with? How is that different to the motivation of any other terrorist?

            “Oklahoma was a red flag operation, military grade focused charge explosive not a
            truck full of fertilizer, go back and look at the damage cone.”

            And your evidence for this is? Not an argument but hard evidence please.

          • Swed.

            Facts just bounce off you, impressive.

            Go and look at the Damage assessment pictures.

          • Chris

            Let me quote an old samurai saying ‘what does it matter how I kill you? Dead is dead.” No matter the damage radius the dead victims were still just as dead. Or has your agument changed to Islam has a bigger body count than Christianity? Well I say ban both since Zoroastrianism has a lower count than either.

          • Swed.

            Wow, I am definitely going with Meds not working.
            Sad and pathetic, good luck with that.

          • Chris

            Ad hom

          • Bob Johnson

            Jainism

          • Chris

            Good point. The Jains with their principle of Ahimsa beat us all.

      • Jarold

        Chris – Why not bring up the crusades while you’re at it?
        I recommend you learn how to do research and get off the fake news.

        • Chris

          The crusades were fake? Who knew? Also weren’t you the one who mentioned the last 1600 years? So it’s only ok if YOU bring up history? Is that it?

      • Reason2012

        Hey Chris: please cite your posts denouncing islam when 50 LGBT were slaughtered here on American soil. Activists like you never do, because you’re really pro-islam plants pretending to be LGBT activists – you defend islam and go after Christianity, which exposes you as the enemy of America and the enemy of LGBT you truly are.

        • Chris

          Ok. I’ll go further. I denounce the Muslims who are guilty of murdering anyone. Indeed I denounce any extremists who seek to further their religious cause by the death of others.

        • Chris

          All apologies will be accepted. But I suspect you won’t proffer any.

  • MCrow

    As someone who taught in San Diego, an interesting fact: most people who are bullied for Islam aren’t Muslims, but Iraqi refugees. San Diego is home to one of the largest populations of Christians who fled from Saddam Hussein during his regime when he persecuted Christians.

    The girls from that area wear headscarfs (taking the Biblical text of women covering their hair literally) and are often bullied for being Muslim.

    This is more food for thought than anything. I hate bullying in all forms, and I don’t think that calling attention to particular pervasive types is wrong.

  • Jason Todd

    I find this rather funny.

    For one thing, the Freedom From Religion Foundation is absolutely MIA on this, in spite of the fact this is exactly the type of thing they would be going nova over.

    Second, although I cannot see the posts of those I have blocked, from those I can see it is obvious there are people actually defending what the San Diego School District is doing…..because it’s not related to Christianity.

    And so, once again, we have proof the FFRF and their defenders hate Christians and Christianity.

    I expect the usual [blocked] suspects to post something denying this, but they will be lying, because the concept of honesty is absolutely foreign to them in their do-it-yourself moral code.

  • rick meek

    Gotta love this INSANE chit from CA…..

  • Reason2012

    Six parents and two non-profit organizations have filed a lawsuit against the San Diego Unified School District to challenge the implementation of a new “initiative to combat Islamophobia” in schools.

    Make no mistake: this is a very clever, well orchestrated attack on America and Christianity and flat out islamic indoctrination, pretending it’s to protect islam from all its enemies. America needs to get active, remove anyone who ever supports this type of anti-Amreican treasonous actions, and sue those who force it through. Notice the FFRF does NOTHING, which proves they’re really an anti-Christian, pro-islam organization masquerading as being against religion in general.
    The enemy is within the gate and Americans need to legally push back.

  • Peter Leh

    No need to learn anything in school any longer.

    Folks keep your kids ignorant as they kill American Muslims in the northwest

    • Malleus

      Other than hating Christians, gays have no emotional life at all.

      Sad little things.

      • Peter Leh

        I am sorry you hate us.

  • Until this country as a whole, declares Islam is NOT a religion but is instead a form of government (as it should be recognized) because it adopts as its foundation Sharia Law, it will be allowed to hide and spread as a religion. The USA is a Democratic Republic. Sharia Law is not Islam is as religious as The Ku Klux Klan and the similarities between the two are prevalent. Hooded White Robed men, compare the Burka and Hijab. Slang names used to define others, compare INFIDEL. Should my son be allowed to go to school wearing his NAZI YOUTH UNIFORM? Will you protect him from bullying. My daughter can not wear her bikini to school, nor on the beaches of ANY Middle Eastern Country. Why isn’t The KKK granted Freedom Of Religion? Why are members of The KKK denied these RIGHTS as they too ARE A RELIGION? I’ll tell you why, because just like Islam, they are OPPRESSIVE. They do not, either of these “religions” stand for FREEDOM!

  • portlandeastside

    There are 527 verses in the Quoran that give specific instructions/commmands on how to abuse (or worse) Christians and Jews…Some of them deal with deception when Muslims are a minority in a foreign country…until they are no longer a minority…Carefully read the Quoran for yourself. I am totally convinced that Islam would fall into the hate group catagory per US law..but nobody apparently has the courage to bring a legal action…including San Diego United.

  • So, school is NOT the place for cultural education that promotes understanding and empathy? Do most evangelical Christians not want their kids to look beyond the fear rhetoric spewing out from their politicians and news sources and learn how to make their own judgements about other religions/cultures based on facts?

    Do we really want our children to grow up fearing, hating and possibly attacking other children who have been taught to believe differently? Why are we so afraid of objective education?

    Virtually every person’s religion is a result of what was taught to him from early childhood. So one’s religious beliefs and practices are most often a function of happenstance of birth, something one could not have chosen, and had no recourse but to learn.

    A child is born neither Christian, nor Jew, nor Muslim, nor atheist, nor an adherent to any other brand of religious or philosophical order. A child is born a human being with an ability to learn, and from this raw material society builds her walls of nationalism and religious certitude.

    Why must we continue this cycle? Give children the gift of understanding. Make them them not the future of xenophobia and hate, but the future of hope and understanding. Have them lead by example. Show the world that we are a benevolent people not to be feared. Be universally benevolent and look for the same in your politicians.

    It seems to me that if Christians were to actually follow only two of the greatest tenets in their Bibles, it would not be long before the haters of other nations come to realize that Christians are genuine about their uniqueness and benevolence.

    Luke 6:31 KJV; “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.”

    Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

    This reminds me of something I said after 9/11. “I believe that we should invite Muslim Americans to build a new Mosque and community center on the Twin Tower’s site. What a beautiful and disarming message that would send to the world of religious belligerents.”

    But apparently we chose, instead, to send them belligerence as well. Will we ever learn?

  • Leftshot

    “This initiative to combat Islamophobia is focused on and the promoting awareness and understanding among students of different cultures, with the intent of eliminating the fear faced by children,” it wrote.
    “The district takes seriously the bullying of any student”

    No they don’t and the statement that precedes it proves it. In it they make excuses for the bullies and characterize them as victims of misinformation about Muslims. Also, the prevalence of bullying of all types in this district shows they have failed to address it. So no, the district does not take seriously the bullying of any student.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Good for those parents. In all probability it’s the Muslim students doing the bulk of the bullying in the first place. CAIR has no business shoving their agenda anywhere but where the sun doesn’t shine! As for “islamophobia” it’s a NON-existent problem; it’s perfectly rational and sensible to be wary of anyone or group that advocates your personal death for not believing as it/they choose. Islam does that!

  • Dianne

    Bullying ANYONE for ANY REASON should not be tolerated and the school board should stick to that.

  • PBHayes

    Richard Barrera is incompetent and unsuitable to be Board President. What a shame our government has allowed millions of Muslims to immigrate to our country as the clash between the 7th century barbarism of Islam is wholly incompatible with our Constitution, the Rule of law and our culture of assimilation. Islam does not assimilate it takes over and forces all others to submit. Islam doesn’t belong here or Europe for that matter. Again today there was another massive attack in London by knife wielding Muslims hell bent on killing as many as possible. This is the culture Mr. Barrera is working so hard to protect.

  • lostproton

    Read the Qur’an and learn that jihad, the death to infidels, will continue until all infidels no longer exist. For the ignorant, infidels are all Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and all who refuse to convert to the Islamic/Muslim beliefs based on the Qur’an’s edict “Slay them where yea find them”.