Children Endangered by Puberty Blockers, Medical Experts Warn

(Christian Institute) Giving out hormone blockers to “pause” puberty “endangers” young children, medical experts have warned.

In an article published in the New Atlantis science journal, experts warned against using hormone-suppressing drugs to encourage gender-confused children to “transition.”

The authors concluded that there is little scientific evidence to support the use of hormone blockers and they should not be considered a prudent option.

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  • Sisyphus

    If the pharmaceutical industry can come up with a formulation for which they think will be a demand, they will make it and doctors will prescribe it. Much like beta blockers and ACE inhibitors for folks that prefer to sit on their large butt and eat unhealthy food.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      we dont often agree …. but YUP ……………

  • Sister Boogie

    Totally aside from the health issues, this is just plain evil, letting these mentally disturbed parents get away with this. If they would send adults like these to prison, you can bet your boots that this disgusting exploitation of children would become much less common.

    • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

      I am sorry that medical science does not conform to your religious beliefs. Apparently those who disagree with those beliefs should be imprisoned. Do you ever read secular materials related to science and medicine or are your content with superstition? Is it necessary for you to have the intellectual curiosity of a geranium?

      Perhaps I can persuade you to go to the evil New York Times and do a search on Jack Turban, a physician at both Harvard and Yale who recently wrote a piece on religious conservative trans kids. You won’t because you might accidentally read something that interferes with your world view. After all, it is easy to dismiss something just because it is in The Times. Right? What is actually best for children is apparently less important to you than religious dogma.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        What does science have to do with this? This sort of experimentation began with Nazi Germany and is carried over today to mutilate youngsters who are being deprived of their sexual rights.

      • Jason Todd

        I am sorry that medical science does not conform to your religious beliefs.

        What? Sister Boogie did not even mention religion.

        How about common freakin’ sense?

    • Croquet_Player

      Well, yes, they sent gay people to prison for years, and it had no effect on on the occurrence of gay people. You can criminalize it all you like, and cause an enormous amount of suffering. Here’s the reality. Human sexuality is more complicated than you think it is. Some people are gay, some people are bisexual, and some people are straight. Some people appear to change over time, or through cultural influences, but most people have a fixed sexual orientation, and there is no amount of “therapy” or indoctrination which can change that. You cannot take a straight boy or girl and “change” them into being attracted to the same sex. The identical thing is true for a gay boy or girl. Bisexual people are another matter. And some people act “bisexual” because they know full well how they will be ostracized if they are honest about their true sexual attractions. Conflating this reality with pedophilia, is another matter entirely, and deeply dishonest. In fact, forcing people to hide their sexuality is inviting predatory behavior upon young people, who “won’t tell”. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sexual behavior between consenting adults. There is everything wrong with predatory sexual behavior upon minors. Do not confuse the two.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Predatory behavior on young people? You mean like “doctors” experimenting on the genitalia of children?

        • Croquet_Player

          Nice try with the scare tactics. No one is doing that. You really are a wealth of misinformation.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There is good reason why transgender teen suicide rates are so high. Keep being part of the problem, but I’d rather be part of the cure.

          • MCrow

            I knew a transgendered woman. We had some long discussions. Her grandmother had told her that she was going to “burn in hell” and her parents disowned her. Her social circles (largely Christian) vanished. She tried conversion therapy, which failed. She was called unnatural and a child of the devil. All this before she graduated college.

            I wonder why transgendered people are more prone to suicide?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m sorry, but anecdotes (which may very well be fabricated and often are), are meaningless. Look at actual documented cases, where most transgender commit suicide because they know they will never be the opposite gender. They are lied to, promised that surgery and hormones will make them into what they want to be, and when reality hits, they can’t live with it. You also have to look at what in their past made them unhappy in their own skin.

          • MCrow

            Ok. Well, looking at data, the reasons most attempt suicide are things like being refused treatment, being bullied at school, work, or home, harassment, and homelessness. All of these are risk factors for suicide in anyone, and transgender individuals experience them at heightened rates

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Did you not read the article and studies this article was based upon? You’re arguing upon a false premise.

          • MCrow

            I base my assumptions on more than one article, mate. I’ve read a few on teen suicide since I teach high school. Saying “being transgender” is the reason isn’t helpful since there are numerous studies showing that suicidal tendencies are varied and nuanced. Further, transgender teens are not the only who are suicidal, though they are more likely to commit suicide. Aggrevating factors are more likely to be present for LGBT teens, such as bullying, social ostracization, family abandonment, and sexual abuse.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sorry, but studies don’t back up your claim.

          • Croquet_Player

            Yes I did. From NBC: “The paper was published in The New Atlantis, which is not a peer-reviewed medical journal, where reports by members of the Johns Hopkins team might normally be found. Instead, it’s the product of the Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC), a Christian-focused conservative think tank “dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical areas of public policy.” There is very good reason to doubt the impartiality of these three scientists who clearly appear to have a religious and/or political agenda.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That is not the article nor is it the study that this article was based upon. Thank you for proving you did not even read what you have been commenting upon.

            You also fail to realize that the researchers that were referenced are atheists and transgender pioneers and specialists.

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

    New Atlantis is a conservative Christian blog that does not submit articles to peer review. The scientific consensus is clear and unambiguous. Gender affirmation virtually eliminates anxiety and stress due to gender dysphoria.

    Yes, there are some risks with puberty blockers (the Endocrine Society claims they are minimal). Whatever they are they pale in comparison to the risk of self-harm.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      What kind of self-harm do you think happens when these children grow up to realize they cannot have sexual satisfaction?

      • Croquet_Player

        You are mistaken about the effects of puberty-blockers. They do not render anyone incapable of sexual satisfaction, either in the short term, or the long term. They have no effect on sexual nerve function. They simply delay the onset of puberty.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Of course they do. They prevent the necessary hormones for genital maturity and sexual function. They render the recipient incapable of proper sexual satisfaction.

          • Croquet_Player

            No, they don’t. Honestly, where do you get this stuff? Ask your doctor for the facts.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Uh, specialists who work with transgendered youth are the ones sounding the alarm. You really should read up on the topic before jerking that knee of yours. Human lives depend upon it.

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            Two of the leading specialists are Dr. Sari Reisner at Harvard and Dr. Jack Turban who is on the faculty at Yale and practices at Harvard as well. Reisner is also a scholar in residence at the Fenway research facility. Turban has a full CV — I don’t know where he finds the time to pee.

            If you want to be informed (if) you might want to read Turban’s May Op-Ed at the New York Times on treating a religiously conservative trans girl.

            Neither of these people have raised any alarms. Perhaps you can cite the name of someone who has; someone who is a pediatric/adolescent gender identity specialist.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Go to You Tube and check out “Transgender Kids and the Danger of Blockers”.

            You do know the article you’re commenting on from New Atlantis was written by Dr. Paul W. Hruz, a professor at Washington University School of Medicine; Dr. Lawrence S. Mayer, a scholar in residence at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and a professor at Arizona State University; and Dr. Paul R. McHugh, university distinguished service professor of psychiatry at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, don’t you?

            Also check out “The Treatment of Adolescent Transsexuals: Changing Insights” published in The Journal of Sexual Medicine. The Dutch doctors who pioneered puberty blockers have done an about face.

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            Hruz doesn’t treat gender dysphoric children and he is at odds with his professional organization and the folks who do treat children with gender dysphoria.

            Mayer and I speak by phone from time to time. He is a very nice guy but he also does not treat trans kids. McHugh doesn’t either although he has been retired for a number of years now.

            As for the study you cite, you have mischaracterized their conclusions:

            A further step was the suppression of puberty by means of
            gonadotropin-releasing hormone analogs in 12-16 year olds; the latter
            serves also as a diagnostic tool. Very recently, other clinics in Europe
            and North America have followed this policy. Results. The first results
            from the Amsterdam clinic show that this policy is promising.

            This study, by the way, is nine years old which makes it an antique in this field.

            The take-away is that physicians need to fully understand the benefits and concerns. If I had a trans kid I would want him or her to be treated by a clinician who works with these kids every day.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            If you really do know these men, why did you mischaracterize their article and the publication in which it appeared?

            You also quoted only from the article’s introductory conclusion, rather than from the article itself which reads:

            “Arguments Against Pubertal Delay

            Some assume that it is not possible to make a definitive diagnosis of GID in adolescence, because in this developmental phase gender identity is still fluctuating; others fear that preventing secondary sex characteristics to develop will inhibit a “spontaneous formation of a consistent gender identity, which sometimes develops through the ‘crisis of gender’” (see also [30]). These points raise the question of what is actually known about the persistence of GID in juveniles. If childhood GID does not persist over time it would be less than desirable to provide early somatic treatment. As mentioned earlier, symptoms of GID at prepubertal ages decrease or even disappear in a considerable percentage of children (estimates range from 80–95%) [11,13]. Therefore, any intervention in childhood would seem premature and inappropriate. However, GID persisting into early puberty appears to be highly persistent [31]: at the Amsterdam gender identity clinic for adolescents, none of the patients who were diagnosed with a GID and considered eligible for SR dropped out of the diagnostic or treatment procedures or regretted SR [16–18]. Even some of those who were not eligible to start treatment before the age of 18 years because of serious psychiatric comorbidity, extremely adverse living circumstances, or a combination of both, persisted in their wish for SR. Because their other problems had to be addressed before they were regarded eligible to start SR successfully, their treatment was usually delayed until after 18 years of age.

            Another potential risk of blocking pubertal development relates to the development of bone mass and growth, both typical events of hormonal puberty, and of brain development. In theory, peak bone mass may not be achieved and/or there might be body segment disproportion. However, the first data of a Dutch cohort of adolescents who have been treated with GnRH analogs suggest that, after an initial slowing in bone maturation, it significantly caught up after the commencement of cross-sex steroid hormone treatment [32]. A parallel may be drawn with children with a (constitutionally) delayed puberty who are similarly exposed to sex steroids beyond the normal age of puberty. There are indications that these children develop a lower bone mineral density than children who go through puberty at a normal age but the differences are not large [33]. It has also been reported that these differences might be attributed to the methods of measuring properties of bone [33,34]. Body proportions, as measured by sitting height and sitting-height/height ratio, remained in the normal range [32]. Early treatment may result in a final height for MtFs that is in the normal female range. For FtMs, a timely administration of oxandrolone may result in acceptable male height [32]. Effects of suppression of the hormones of puberty on brain development are currently studied, and not known yet. Clinically, there seem to be no effects on social, emotional, and school functioning, but potential effects may be too subtle to observe during the follow-up sessions by clinical assessment alone.

            Finally, for the MtFs a non-normal pubertal phallic growth, the genital tissue available for vaginoplasty may be less than optimal. However, appropriate adjusted techniques exist to deal with the shortage of tissue [35].”

            Also, your criticism has been of actual physicians of which you are not one.

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            No, they don’t. Honestly, where do you get this stuff? Ask your doctor for the facts.

            Some of these people are willing to advance any theory regardless of how spectacularly stupid it might be if it helps to conform their world to scripture.

            Ask their physician? That requires considerably more intellectual curiosity than you will customarily find in these environs.

            Having said that, the mesh of adolescent sexuality and puberty has been the subject of much study over many, many years. There are no simple answers. Moreover, there are considerable differences in sexuality as we get older. Therefore, children cannot be compared to adults in any meaningful way.

          • 0pus

            A homosexual man is no expert on children.
            You see them as prey. We see them as living human beings.

            Stop talking about subjects of which you are woefully ignorant. The desire for sex with children does not make you experts in child-rearing.

          • Croquet_Player

            Completely false, as anyone who asks their doctor will discover.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You fail to realize that the article in question was written by doctors, addresses these very facts, and have not been disputed by experts.

          • Croquet_Player

            It was written by three doctors and published in a non peer reviewed journal. Again, from NBC: it was published a journal run by “the Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC), a Christian-focused conservative think tank “dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical areas of public policy.” Even if you’ve never heard of EPPC, their stance on some key issues in LGBTQ life will be familiar. The group supported the now-defunct Defense of Marriage Act, objected to the elimination of Don’t Ask, Don’t tell and supports efforts by conservative states to enact religious freedom restoration acts.” It is in the process of being reviewed, and disputed, and when those findings are published we’ll have another look, shall we?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you know who all three doctors are? Do you know which peer-researched articles were referenced in the article? Do you know who the doctors were who conducted the study?

            First of all, you infer that if something is Christian-run that it is not worthy of publication. (And it isn’t a Christian-run publication just like Johns Hopkins, where one of the researchers conducted his studies, isn’t a Christian-run institution). Do you also deem African-American-run publications not worthy of referencing? How about a woman-run study? Jewish? Which standards do you pick and choose?

            Second of all, did you even bother to read the full article and the studies which it was based upon? You do know that many if not most of the researchers were not only not Christian, or Jewish, but atheists?

    • Jason Todd

      The scientific consensus is clear and unambiguous.

      As it is on climate change.

      Yes, there are some risks with puberty blockers (the Endocrine Society claims they are minimal).

      News flash: “Jazz” Jennings, a teenage boy living as a girl, will never be able to “fully transition” as the puberty blockers he has been taking have not only rendered him sterile, his genitals are permanently pre-pubescent.

      Oops.

      • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

        Jazz Jenning is a trans girl. Have you done a study of Ms. Jennings’ genitalia? She is fabulously successful and by now she is probably taking hormones (she is about 17). According to the Endocrine Society, puberty blockers are reversible. They are the experts.

        • Jason Todd

          Jazz Jennings is a boy. Always has been, always will be. Girls don’t have penises. Or a permanently pre-pubescent one at that.

          The Endocrine Society means nothing to me. I read news stories just like everyone else. That’s where this knowledge came from.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Please. Tell me how boys, given hormone blockers, are going to regain the height they lost? You do know surgeons who do transgender surgery are coming out against puberty blockers because it leaves them nothing to work with, don’t you?

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            Please. Tell me how boys, given hormone blockers, are going to regain the height they lost?

            I have no idea. Nor do I know how much height trans girls lose. I am not a clinician. Puberty blockers relieve suffering. They also introduce concerns. Every medical intervention has potential consequences, even aspirin.

            You do know surgeons who do transgender surgery are coming out against puberty blockers because it leaves them nothing to work with, don’t you?

            No I do not. Competing medical interests are not uncommon, particularly between surgeons and other practitioners.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You claimed that puberty blockers were reversible. They are not.

            Puberty blockers do not relieve suffering. They cause suffering.

            Surgeons who perform transgender surgery know a lot more about the issue than endocrinologists who have only recently jumped on the bandwagon with puberty blockers. They are doing more harm than good.

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            Dr. Sari Reisner at Harvard disagrees. He has a considerable body of peer reviewed research published to scholarly journals.

            I write about this issue every day. I try to stay informed. If there is a paper out there from a surgeon I’d sure like to read it.

          • Jason Todd

            Any person that doesn’t look at transgenderism as a mental illness, possibly with psychological abuse involved, isn’t worth my time, or the time of any reasonably sane person.

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            Gee that’s a tough one. Reisner is on the faculty at Harvard Med and a scholar in residence at the Fenway Insrititute.

            On the other hand, your erudition consists of what exactly? What medical school have you attended?

            BTW, transgenderism is not even a condition. It is a form of gender affirmation to relieve the symptoms of gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is a condition.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Reisner isn’t a surgeon nor is he an endocrinologist. Why do you keep referencing him?

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            Because he is, perhaps, the leading researcher associated with the title and text of this piece which is about puberty blockers. You haven’t mentioned the name of a surgeon. I have searched to no avail. If it is out there I want to understand it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s false. I don’t know why you keep repeating easily exposed falsehoods. Do you even bother to read the cut-and-pastes and articles I refer you to?

          • Jason Todd

            Gee that’s a tough one.

            Only for the intellectually stunted.

            Let me spell this out for you:

            There’s no such thing as “trans.”

            Defenders have talked about how this has biological origins, and yet cannot explain “Stefonknee” Wolscht, a man in his 50s who actively identifies as a six-year-old girl. Or “Nano,” the 21-year-old Norwegian female who calls herself a cat. Or “Vinny Ohh,” the 22-year-old man who has had 110 cosmetic surgery procedures to transform himself into a “genderless alien.”

            Or how about Ryland Whittington, who is being raised as a boy because, according to her parents, as soon as she was able to speak she would scream, “I’m a boy! I’m a boy!”

            Mmmm yeah, no. Even Stevie Wonder can see that’s FBS. Most likely, this poor girl’s parents wanted a boy, and when they did not get one, decided to raise her as a boy, dreaming up a cover story that’s off the scale dumb, and yet no one is questioning it because it’s in the happening scene of common sense and morality, California.

            Do me a favor: Don’t come in here defending and enabling mental illness and psychological abuse with the expectation of getting away with it. It takes a special kind of sick to do that.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re not a doctor. You site Dr. Reisner, who is an epidemiologist, not a surgeon.

            I gave you several citations from experts in this field, and you initially misrepresented what they said then, when faced with facts, chose to ignore the posts.

          • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

            I try very hard to be intellectually honest (and, at the same time, control my persistent sarcasm). I have read much of Reisner’s research on pediatric gender dysphoria and I have traded some emails with him as well as Dr. Jack Turban. I try to be very careful about what I write at the Slowly Boiled Frog.

            If I do not respond to a comment it is not selective observation. Rather, as a retired CEO I am involved in a number of projects plus the SBF (which gets about 1,000 comments per week that I try to review).

            Moreover, sometimes before responding I reach out to contacts. In this case that was someone at Johns Hopkins which recently resumed performing gender affirming surgery. The two questions are:

            1. Do puberty blockers and then hormones complicate gender affirming surgery and;

            2. If so, are you recommending that they not be provided?

            I suspect that hormones are the more likely complication because that is the medication that patients would be taking prior to surgery. Hormones start at about 16. I don’t have a research number but believe that most transgender people do not have surgery.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Respectfully, I don’t believe your claims. You’ve been proven to embellish in the past.

            80 to 95 percent of children with gender dysphoria later identify with and embrace their biological sex if not given puberty blockers.

            Puberty blockers are given long before the age of 16. They damage children irreparably, are not reversible, and prevent these children as later adults from achieving sexual maturity and satisfaction.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Actually, it was founded by Jewish man, not a Christian, and it’s registered journal, not a blog. They do have a blog section just like most major publications have blog sections. They do accept submissions.

      • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ David Cary Hart

        New Atlantis is a project of the Ethics and Public Policy Center which was founded by Ernest Lefever who was a Protestant minister. It is currently run by Ed Whelan who is a far-right conservative Catholic.

        It pretentiously calls its quarterly publication a journal. It is not a journal. Journals are scholarly (sometimes academic) publications that require articles to be peer reviewed prior to publication. To get an article published, say, in the New England Journal of Medicine might require up to a year of working with the referees. Peer review is agnostic to content. It simply establishes conformity with sound scientific methodology.

        Absent peer review, New Atlantis is a blog that publishes quarterly.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          None of that means that it’s a Christian organization. Do you really think that employing a professing Christian or catholic makes an organization Christian or catholic?? Do you know how many Jews and other non-Christians are employed there?

          Do you know what a journal is? Do you know what a publication is? Do you know how to legally classify something as such? If you did, you wouldn’t be arguing this, and arguing so badly.

          New Atlantis is a publication that publishes a journal, books, and has blogs. You do know the NY Times has blogs too, don’t you?

          • Michael C

            None of that means that it’s a Christian organization.

            The New Atlantis is a project of the Ethics and Public Policy Center. The EPPC website states that they are “dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical issues of public policy.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That does not mean it is a Christian organization, particularly when its founder is Jewish.

          • Michael C

            Can an organization not have a stated Judeo-Christian purpose if they employ an editor (not founder) who is Jewish?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Can an organization be counted Christian if it employs a Christian? How about if they publish articles from non-Christians and non-Jews? If I employ a gay man, is my organization a gay rights one?

          • Michael C

            Can an organization be counted Christian if it employs a Christian?

            Huh? If the stated purpose of the organization is Christian in nature, I would say yes, it can be considered a Christian organization if it employs a Christian.

            How about if they publish articles from non-Christians and non-Jews?

            If the stated purpose of the organization is Christian in nature, I would say yes, it can be considered a Christian organization even if it publishes articles written by non-Christians.

            If I employ a gay man, is my organization a gay rights one?

            Your organization is only a gay rights organization if it works to further gay rights. Simply employing a gay person would not make an organization a gay rights organization. Are you trying to prove my point or your own? Did you think this through?

            There. See how easy it is to answer straightforward questions in a straightforward manner? Perhaps we can return to my question…

            Can an organization not have a stated Judeo-Christian purpose even if they employ an editor who is Jewish?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) The article is not Christian in nature,

            b.) The medical researchers referenced are atheists,

            c.) The medical researchers referenced are transgender pioneers.

            d.) The publication is not a Christian publication. As a gay activist, do you think that misrepresenting a scientific article is the way to go?

          • Michael C

            a.) I never asked about any article.
            b.) I never asked about any researchers.
            c.) Again, I never asked about any researchers.
            d.) I never misrepresented any article because I never attempted to represent any article in the first place. Are you possibly confusing me with someone else?

            It’s clear that you refuse to answer my very straightforward question in a straightforward fashion (as I have answered all of your questions). Have a nice day.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Michael C, you made false inferences because you didn’t like the SCIENCE that transgender specialists reported. That’s dishonest but it’s nothing less than what we’ve come to expect from LGBQT activists such as yourself.

  • Malleus

    It’s obvious that the target is the legalization of pedophilia. Teach kids that there is no such thing as “normal,” and make them easy prey.

    • Jason Todd

      Why would it be that?

      No, kids are being told mental illness or normal and okay. Surely the endgame is something else.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    What these blockers do is essentially rob children of their adult sexuality, keeping them forever pre-pubescent and never able to achieve sexual pleasure. It’s at least as bad as FGM, probably worse.

    • Croquet_Player

      I’m afraid that’s not true true at all, and you have been misinformed. Please don’t take my word for it, ask your doctor about how these things work. They have no effect on sexual pleasure, in the short-term or in the long term. They are in no way comparable to FGM, in which genital tissue is permanently sliced off. These are hormone blockers which delay the onset of puberty.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Do you even understand what hormone blockers do? They prevent the maturation of sex organs which means that children who undergo this treatment will not be able to have sexual fulfilment nor do they have the means to even do a proper reconstruction surgery. It’s like keeping the recipients in a permanent child-like state, sexually. It’s perverse.

        • Croquet_Player

          That is simply factually incorrect. They do NOT adversely affect sexual satisfaction. I’m not going to engage in a tedious argument with you, you’re just wrong, and you, or anyone else who wishes to know the facts about the treatment should ask their doctor.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why don’t you try resorting to facts? Why don’t you talk to doctors who do surgery on transgendered individuals? This entire new wave of puberty blockers is causing a real mess for transgendered youth who will never know what it is like to function as a fully sexual adult. Shame on you for promoting this abuse!

          • Croquet_Player

            Shame on you, for promoting false medical information.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Did you not read the article?

          • Croquet_Player

            I am moved to wonder why my response to Guest, “Shame on you, for promoting false medical information” was removed while Guest’s previous comment “Shame on you for promoting this abuse!” is allowed to remain. I violated none of the website’s posting conditions. Iindeed, I take pains to remain respectful and polite, and follow the rules at all times. We may strongly disagree, but that’s no bar to reasonable discussion. If someone from the website would like to contact me to explain it, I’d appreciate it.

  • Croquet_Player

    For actual information on this topic, I suggest anyone may google “Debunking the New Atlantis Article On Sexuality And Gender”, by Brynn Tannehill.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Brynn Tannehill is not a doctor, and HuffPo is not a peer-reviewed journal. You merely cited a puff opinion piece from a blogger.

      • Bob Johnson

        The same can be said of the New Atlantis article, a journal that prides itself in being not peer reviewed.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          You seem confused about what the New Atlantis journal is. You also seem to be confused about who wrote the article in question. The article in question was written by 3 doctors who are experts in their field, and was sourced with research by transgender medical pioneers.

          • Bob Johnson

            Yes, it is a good idea to clear up any confusion. There are two groups using very similar names “The Center for Information Technology and Society” and “The Center for the Study of Technology and Society.” Even you seem to be confused about this name problem.

            The Center for Information Technology and Society is the older group, founded in 1999 at the University of California, Santa Barbara. This group is involved in scientific research projects.

            The Center for the Study of Technology and Society is the organization, partially funded by the Koch brothers, founded in 2003. This group’s offices are in Washington D.C. The New Atlantis is published in partnership between this group, the Center for the STUDY… and the Ethics and Public Policy Center. These groups are interested in influencing public policy, hence they are located in Washington D.C.

            I am well aware of what peer review entails, in fact for two years I was a reviewer for a technical journal. (The journal had a two year limit for editors and reviewers so as to avoid the bias many folks claim is rampant is peer review.)

            And all of us can easily find three prominent doctors to disagree with. In fact there is a website named Quackwatch.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            None of that discounts the fact that 3 prominent doctors have written an article based upon more research from prominent transgender medical pioneers, and that they know more about the issue than a blogger for puff site HuffPo.

      • Croquet_Player

        I didn’t claim either of those things. And it’s hardly a “puff piece”.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Sure it is. HuffPo is a puff publication. Anyone can write for it. Submit an article and you will see. And Tannehill is not a transgender expert.

          • Croquet_Player

            Well, unfortunately for you, everyone else can read it and form their own opinions.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why is it unfortunate? I hope everyone reads it. Those with any modicum of intelligence and medical knowledge in transgender procedures will dismiss it as uninformative, misleading, and trite, and those who will be fooled by it would be fooled by anything anyway.

          • Croquet_Player

            Wonderful, so we both encourage everyone to read it for themselves. Thank you for your support.