Residents Banned From ‘Commentary Regarding Islam or Muslims’ During Town’s Mosque Hearing

BERNARDS TOWNSHIP, N.J. — A lawsuit has been filed challenging a settlement agreement that bans residents in a New Jersey town from making remarks about Islam or Muslims during an upcoming public hearing centering on the forthcoming construction of a mosque.

The Thomas More Law Center has filed suit on behalf of a family that lives within 200 feet from where the mosque is expected to be built in Bernards Township.

Christopher and Loretta Quick would like to speak during the Aug. 8 hearing about the various aspects of Islamic life and worship that might affect them as neighbors, but are prohibited from doing so due to city’s acceptance of a settlement agreement that states, “No commentary regarding Islam or Muslims will be permitted” during the event.

“Despite their desire to speak at the special meeting regarding the construction of the Islamic mosque and relevant Muslim worship practices (among other factors related to the impact on their home), plaintiffs are foreclosed from
doing so by the settlement agreement based solely upon the content of their speech,” the lawsuit states.

It contends that by banning speech on Islam alone, the township is showing favoritism toward the Islamic religion since the prohibition doesn’t apply to other religions.

“No religion other than Islam is protected … under the settlement agreement. For example, speakers at the hearing are free, under the settlement agreement, to disparage, criticize, and otherwise comment on Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any other religion—except Islam,” the complaint notes.

The Quicks are asking the court to declare the settlement agreement unconstitutional and to issue an injunction preventing its enforcement.

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The settlement agreement arose out of a lawsuit filed in March 2016 by the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge, which asserted that officials in Bernards Township had discriminated against Muslims by declining the Society’s application seeking to build a mosque in the residential location. The U.S. Department of Justice also filed suit in November, likewise challenging the township’s refusal.

The mosque plans had initially been rejected due to zoning issues. The Society accused the township of changing its zoning ordinances to keep the mosque from being built.

As a part of the settlement, agreed to in May, the township must pay the society $3.5 million—$1.75 million in attorneys’ fees and costs and $1.5 million in damages—and the planning board must present the “site plan” for the property to the public during a special meeting. However, during the event, according to the agreement, “No commentary regarding Islam or Muslims will be permitted.”

“Bernards Township capitulated to the Islamic Society of Basking Ridge, not only paying them $3.25 million and allowing the construction of a mosque in a residential area not suited for such a building, but violated the free speech rights of its citizens by prohibiting them from commenting on Islam or Muslims at an upcoming public hearing,” Richard Thompson, president of the Thomas More Law Center, told reporters this week.

“We remain a united township where all are welcome,” township spokesman Michael Turner told the Associated Press. “This is the end of a long engagement on the application and opinions may still be varied, but it is in the best interest of the township to conclude the litigation.”

The Southern Baptist Convention’s (SBC) International Mission Board had drawn concern for joining an amicus brief last May supporting the construction of the mosque. It said it did so for religious liberty purposes.


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  • Worf

    I will start by saying this:
    Islam should not be singled out in this case for exclusion. I would argue that ANY discussion of specific religious beliefs in that setting is wholly inappropriate, as it was apparently a zoning issue.

    I do, however, have some other problems.

    First, Richard Thompson said, “…allowing the construction of a mosque in a residential area not suited for such a building…”
    No further information on this was given. I would like to see the documentation on specifically why the building was not suitable for the area. It being a residential area seems irrelevant, as nearly every church in my home town is in a residential area.

    Second:

    Christopher and Loretta Quick would like to speak during the Aug. 8 hearing about the various aspects of Islamic life and worship that might affect them as neighbors…

    What could possibly “..affect them as neighbors…” in any way that would legally matter? What “aspects of Islamic Life” are of that much concern to them that they feel compelled to talk about them?

    • Off Shore

      There call to prayer is very annoying especially if you have to live by it. Don’t know about that area, but I know in my area your property value would plummet.

      My problem is that as a “constitutional republic” I have a right to state my opinion at such government meetings doesn’t matter if we agree or not it’s our right as free citizens.

      Sheep being lead to slaughter by the goats.

      • RWH

        Listening to chimes from a local church every hour can be just as annoying. If you want to prohibit a Moslem call to worship, you will also have to ban churches from ringing their bells.

        • Scott Davenport

          There is no such thing as islam or muslims….it’s cult worship so why do we have to tolerate this scum???

          • RWH

            This is the exact same rhetoric that people used against the Jews. The outcome of this type of hate was made manifest when the Germans occupied most of Europe back in the early 1940s. I remember the days when a local community tried to keep the Jews out as well. Take a look at the history of Great Neck, NY. Nobody would allow the Jews in, so they bought land where they could, and that community was predominantly Jewish whereas the surrounding communities were Jew-proofed. Fortunately, things have changed since the 1920s-30s.

            We live in a democracy. The Moslems have just as much right to buy land and to build buildings as every other group has. Whether you think that the group is a religious one or not is irrelevant.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No it isn’t. Jews are not a threat to the American way of life. Islam is.

          • Worf

            The nazis considered the Jews a threat to the German way of life. They were accused of trying to usurp governments and take over the world.

            Even if some extremist muslims want to, there is absolutely no way for them to threaten our way of life in America. We are a powerful democracy with deliberate fail-safes in place to prevent anything of the sort from happening.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Nazis and the Muslims both considered Jews a threat to their way of life.

            Muslims are currently waging jihad via immigration. That’s how they conquered Egypt. It may take 100 years (or more or less ) but it will happen unless the west wakes up.

          • zampogna

            Well, yeah, if you’re a racist.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Islam isn’t a race.

          • RWH

            There are a lot of different groups within Islam just as there are within Christianity. All will tell you that Isis and the Taliban are radical fringe extremists within Islam and don’t represent the rank and file. Interestingly enough, most of the acts of terror were inflicted by converts to Islam. The people who propagate hatred toward Moslems are nothing but fodder for the extremist groups within Islam, who seem to be doing a good job at attracting disaffected people.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            First of all, if your theory is true, you’d have to ask yourself what it is about Islam that attracts disaffected people. There has to be something there that brings the nutjobs along.

            Second of all, you are wrong about there being radically different factions in Islam. There might be different extents to which Muslims will live their dysfunction, but that does not mean that there is fluidity to Islam itself. You can’t change the definition of Islam by how many Muslims have slaughtered others in the name of allah.

            You are not a Muslim. You did not grow up with Islam. You are merely mouthing the deceitful platitudes that Muslims have used to lull the west into sleep.

          • RWH

            Every religious group has its group of fanatics who wish to change people by force. You don’t think that this is prevalent in Christianity? Take a look at groups like Opus Dei or the KKK. The KKK puts out propaganda that attracts disaffected whites. Concerning the rest of what you have, it’s a not-so-slick justification to fear and hate people. If you bothered to study the demographics, a significant percentage of Moslems who enter the western world secularize very fast, and an incredible number start attending Christian churches because that is the “thing to do.” Religion is just as much a cultural identify as it is for Christians.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The KKK was a political movement started by the Democrat Party. Look it up. It was hardly a religious Christian movement.

            I come from a family with plenty of Muslims in it. You have no clue what you are talking about.

          • RWH

            The KKK shrouds itself in religious language. Maybe if you bothered to pick up a book, you might learn something. It beats pontificating ignorance on list like this one.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There you go again, with your false accusations. The KKK was created as a political movement by the Democrat Party in opposition to the Republican Party’s inclusion of African Americans.

            historyDOTcom/topics/ku-klux-klan

          • RWH

            The Klan goes all the way back to post Civil War reconstruction. When you throw around the Democrats, keep in mind that Nixon and Reagan successfully lured the racist elements in the Democratic Party to the Republican side. There were only a few holdouts which were labeled Dixiecrats. It sure pays to read a book or two. One cannot compare contemporary Democrats with what existed prior to the 1950s.

            It would pay for you to read up on the KKK plus other issues so that you can start publishing some factual information for once.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I gave you a link. Do you really think History DOT com is an alt-right non-historical source? LOL

          • james blue

            Your level of ignorance on given subjects never ceases to surprise.

          • james blue

            I’d be interested to hear what you as a Canadian think the “American way of life” is and how it is threatened by Islam anymore than it is by other religions.

          • zampogna

            I am utterly embarrassed that this guy is Canadian (if he really is, it’s hard to believe most of the things he says). As a Canadian myself I don’t personally know anyone harboring that level of hatred towards anyone.

          • Dan

            Jews didn’t fly planes into skyscrapers, dippy.

          • james blue

            Are there no Jewish terrorists?

          • RWH

            Obviously, you have never heard of the Jewish Defense League. They have perpetrated a number of terrorist acts throughout the years in the New York City area. Remember the little girl who was plowed over by a bulldozer destroying a Palestinian home a decade or two ago? It made news around the world, but the American press brushed it under the carpet because “Jews don’t do that.” Or how about the murdered priest at Jacob’s Well who was a casualty of the Jewish military? Or the Orthodox church that was summarily bulldozed in Israel?

          • Michael C

            it’s cult worship so why do we have to tolerate this scum???

            Um, because we’re the United States of America.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s exactly why it shouldn’t be tolerated. Separation of church and state, right?

          • james blue

            ??????????????

          • Worf

            Your understanding of religious freedom is deeply flawed. We tolerate every religion in the United States. Disapproval from your particularly divisive brand of christianity is not relevant to their rights as Americans.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem to confuse tolerance with indoctrination.

          • Worf

            I am happy to debate this topic, but clearly you just want to make meaningless and emotional statements, completely devoid of any sort of rational argument. Have a nice day.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yeah, I keep waiting for him to say something substantive that CAN be debated.

          • Worf

            I logged on this beautiful morning and found my notifications spammed by this…. special individual. Just reading through all their loops, turns and deflections was too much. For the sake of mental health I think I am gonna stay out of this one.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I asked him for a citation to prove mosques are louder than church bells. He told me to go find one.

            Presumably, if he’s ever charged with a crime, he plans to get out of it by not hiring an attorney, because then there will be no one to prove the case against him.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I have presented facts. You’re presented liberal platitudes with absolutely no life experience or facts to break it up. Have a nice life.

          • RWH

            And all you do is to make wild and ridiculous statements with no solid data to support them. It’s absolutely ironic that you accuse others of not backing things up.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’ve given you resources. You’ve just given unfounded opinion.

          • RWH

            All I have done is to question the absurdities that have come from your direction. The only opinion I have given is that Moslems have the right to buy property and to build, which is clearly established fact. The same holds in Canada, but I’m feeling pretty sure that you don’t know how things work there either.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You should re-read your posts if you think that is what you asserted. Perhaps you should edit them before you have more egg on your face.

            I have never disputed anyone of any persuasion having basic legal rights.

          • mr goody two shoes

            Christians are to be as wise as the snakes of this world and yet as innocent as doves. We act and speak for the sake of sharing the gospel to Muslims . it would not be wise for the sake of the gospel to let them know what we think of their religion . and we don’t need to since former Muslims that become Christians know the uglyness of idolatry from their bibles.

          • RWH

            Interesting. Moslems prohibit any type of images within their houses of worship. When they took over Christian churches, they whitewashed over all of the beautiful mosaics. In Istambul, people have been working for decades trying to uncover and restore all of these images. It seems rather ignorant to accuse a group like that of idolatry when they have no “idols.”

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Church bells are nowhere near the decibels of a mosque’s call to prayer.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Cite, please.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You do know mosques use loudspeakers, don’t you?

          • Worf

            You do know mosques have to adhere to the same noise laws everybody else does, don’t you?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They do not. Look it up. Any time someone complains about the loud call to prayer, they get harassed by Muslims. Look up what happened to Hamtramck.

          • RWH

            You can’t make a generalization from one isolated example.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s not isolated. Which church uses a loud speaker to ring its bells?

          • RWH

            You are absolutely incredible. Most churches use some sort of electric chimes because they can’t afford real bells. If I were you, I’d quit while I was ahead. Your ignorance is mind-boggling.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There are no loud speakers in church bells. Islam intentionally makes their call to prayer the loudest so that it overrides anything else.

          • RWH

            You keep on coming back even though you are proven wrong. I know of no Mosque where prayers are broadcast over the neighborhood. Most buildings don’t even have the mirinettes. Or if they do, they are decorative and not designed so someone can climb them. I have never seen any equipped with loudspeakers.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            enDOTwikipediaDOTorg/wiki/Loudspeakers_in_mosques

          • RWH

            This is over 13 years ago, and the community has a noise ordinance. What hateful point are you trying to make? Obviously, if churches have the right to ring chimes, the mosques have a right to a call to worship. When buying a house, people need to check these things out.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, it is not in the past. Mosques still play the call to prayer over loudspeakers as multiple sources show. Churches do not use loudspeakers to ring bells. Those are facts.

          • RWH

            So what! Most municipalities have noise ordinances. The Wikipedia article that you referenced stated that Dearborn has a noise ordinance, and nobody has had issues with mosques in Detroit. As the article mentioned, it’s been 13 years since your incident, and things were settled then. Apparently everyone is happy. Moreover, you have not been able to produce anything more recent.

            As far as loudspeakers to ring bells, why not consult Carillon Church Bells or Chime Master? They are two of the largest manufacturers of electronic church bells. All are broadcast over speaker systems. As with all of your other “facts,” simple research disputes just about everything that you say. Put simply, your conversational trail shows that your facts are simply your own personal opinions void of any proof.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You contended that mosques do not send out the call to prayer over loudspeakers. You were proven wrong. You contended that church bells are also sounded over loudspeakers. Again, you are proven wrong.

          • RWH

            The facts are on my side. Mosques may have loudspeakers, but they are controlled by noise ordinances, which apparently have not been disputed in well over a decade according to your article from Wikipedia. Since you’re either unable or unwilling to look up the two largest manufacturers of electronic bells–which come with the use of loudspeakers–I will leave this conversation, allowing you to wallow in your version of “reality.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already gave you a link with multiple links within and valid sourcing that disprove your ludicrous and false claims.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Still waiting for that citation.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Then go look for one.

          • RWH

            This is a sure sign that someone is bluffing and is insulted that someone is on to him. Guest, you make the claim, you back it up with solid data that others can check out for themselves.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            See my other posts. I already have.

          • RWH

            Obviously, you have no clue as to what solid data entails.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            This is not how burden of proof works. You make the claim, you provide the evidence.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already did, and you guys keep following me around pretending you didn’t see it. See how that works?

          • Bob Johnson

            Be happy you don’t live in Bamberg Germany and have to hear the church bells ring every hour

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            When I was a child, hearing church bells made me want to be a Christian. I would be happy to hear church bells ring more than I am to hear the Muslim call to prayer.

          • RWH

            Out of all of the people who have given conversion narratives, you are the first to dredge up this one. I simply don’t believe you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I really don’t care. You have misrepresented your academic credentials on here repeatedly. You hardly have credibility.

          • RWH

            I have never cited my academic credentials on this list, so again, you are bluffing–making things up as you go. Perhaps you should go back to your alt-right groupie and cry about how misunderstood and persecuted you are.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yes you have. You had a hysterical fit months ago and started bragging about your academic credentials, which were greatly exaggerated.

            I do not belong to any alt-right groups, but thanks for making up stories.

          • RWH

            I have never referred to my academic credentials on this list or on any others. If I have, provide a direct quote where I supposedly said something. I bet you can’t because they’re not there. Bearing false witness seems to be a problem with you.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So suddenly it’s not about noise anymore?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It took you 5 days to think that one up? LOL

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So you’re not going to respond then?

          • Bob Johnson

            That is one of the features of an online dialog. I am going away for the eclipse. There will be a several day period where I am away from computers.

            In a way, it is like the old Federalist Papers. After you wrote your response it would take a week for the letter to travel the eastern coast. Time to contemplate a response and then another week to send the message back. And that was in summer with good weather.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yet AC was here all day, every day. Go figure. 🙂

            By the way, if you guys are going to tag team, you’re going to have to do a better job of it. And get a better way of exchanging messages. It’s all public now. 🙂

          • Bob Johnson

            Why would we want to? Maybe that is why we are doing such a poor job of it. I’ll freely admit to following AC, Amos, and a few others, but it is not possible to follow private accounts like yours. And most certainly there is a certain synergy between his and my interests.

            And I do have a tendance to snide remarks when I perceive crazy. So if you are interested in conspiracies, I can recommend some websites.

          • RWH

            An unsupported assertion! Where is your proof? There are hundreds of thousand churches and mosques. How many have you stood outside and measured the decibels?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s not unsupported. It’s fact. Look it up. Look what happened in Hamtramck. Muslims intentionally put their call to prayer over loudspeakers to drown out church bells.

  • Stinger

    The usual tactic: impose censorship due to concern for “feelings.”

    This is how democracy dies.

  • john

    I believe that having free speech suppressed is against the law, while also protecting one religion over another is another strike against our laws of America. Also look at what is happening in the European countries where Muslims do not assimilate to the laws of each countries. I would also be concerned at how our local governments have turned a blind eye towards the radical Muslim movements. I would suggest people to read the Koran and see what nonmuslims are called and what is to be done to them. Wake up before it is too late.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      You should see how bad it is in Canada. Looks like a third world country.

      • zampogna

        Where? I live in Canada and it’s not like a third world country.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          All over the country. Stand outside high schools, stand outside mosques, watch the neighborhoods go down in value because the male children do not have to do yard work, clean up their toys, or have respect for their property or anyone else’s. Watch the shops that sell spoiled food and food over its sell-by-date to non-Muslims. Watch Muslim women scream and refuse to serve non-Muslim male customers because they might get tainted. Go to a Muslim doctor who was foreign trained, and have to go through an unnecessarily painful procedure because the doctor was not trained in the most modern practices. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Pretty soon you’ll be bowing to Mecca or face death if something isn’t done to stop the tide.

          • zampogna

            I see nothing that you have described. None of it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Then you are either not really living in Canada or you are being intentionally obtuse.

          • zampogna

            I live in Manitoba. It doesn’t happen here. Period.

          • RWH

            It doesn’t happen in any other part of Canada as well.

            The rhetoric is all too familiar. When I was growing up in the 1950s, lots of far-right ideologues spoke in such rabid terms of the growing Catholic threat and how they were going to close churches and burn Protestants at the stake. These people literally went nuts when John F. Kennedy, a Catholic, ran for President.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How would you know? You don’t live in Canada. You haven’t looked up the citations I gave you. First you falsely claimed I didn’t give any, then when you realized I did, you promptly dismissed them because they prove you wrong.

          • RWH

            You obviously have no clue as to what entails a citation. A citation gives enough source material so that people can actually find the source and read for himself. That, you have never done. You just blabber on and expect people to take your absurdities as truth.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I gave case names and sources. You just don’t want to admit that because it proves you wrong.

          • RWH

            So you say.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, the sources are there. Read them. Hint: It will take you more than an hour.

          • zampogna

            That’s interesting, I grew up Catholic. I never heard a bit of anti-Catholicism until about 15 years ago when I started taking part in religion forums online and saw how much the American fundamentalists and baptists hated Catholics.

          • RWH

            I don’t know if any of this stuff has ever been loaded onto the web, but when Kennedy announced his intentions, the hate machine went out in full force. Books and pamphlets were written about all of the awful things that Catholics would do if their church grew into the majority church. A lot of it was fueled by the persecution that the Catholics inflicted on the Protestants when Franco and the Falange gained power through the Spanish Civil War. Vatican II changed a lot of the Catholic culture.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Or you stay in your own insulated little part of the world and intentionally keep yourselves from foreigners.

          • zampogna

            I don’t insulate myself from anybody. There are lots of cultures and lots of religions around me. They generally mind their own business. Why don’t you do the same?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Whatever are you talking about? You didn’t even know what was going on in your neck of the woods, unless you’re now accusing Macleans, The Globe and Mail, Toronto Star and other publications of lying.

          • zampogna

            How can I accuse them of lying when I haven’t seen anything they’ve written on the subject? Present it to me, and we will go from there. That is how HONEST discussion takes place.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Just to pitch in my own two cents here, I haven’t seen the things you’re talking about, and I’ve lived in the Detroit area most of my life….not too far from the city that is supposedly “under Sharia law” or whatever they say about it now.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Try sending a non-Muslim woman into Dearborn and see what happens.

          • RWH

            In Dearborn, there are four mosques and over 70 Christian churches. The majority is overwhelmingly Christian there. When you peddle your paranoia, at least try to peddle something believable. If Christian women were persecuted, it would be all over the alt-right press and even among the mainstream. Even radically right publications like World Net Daily has made claims like yours.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s false. There are multiple mosques and Islamic centers in Dearborn, MI. The Polish community had to move out of Hamtramck because they were raped, robbed, and harassed. That is well documented.

            “Dearborn residents are primarily of European or Middle Eastern heritage, descendants of 19th and 20th-century immigrants. Middle Eastern ancestries make up the largest ethnic grouping with Lebanese, Yemeni, Iraqi, Syrian and Palestinian groups present. “

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Nothing you said refutes what RWH said. A lot of those Middle Easterners in Dearborn (and elsewhere in the metro Detroit area) are Christians.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The majority of Dearborn, MI residents are Muslim. Most Middle Eastern Christians had to move out of the area because they were being persecuted and assaulted by Muslims.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “The majority of Dearborn, MI residents are Muslim”

            I just looked that up. I found oddly varying numbers, but the highest one I found anywhere said 40%. So…..you’re wrong. Or maybe you’re confusing it with Hamtramck?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, I mean Dearborn. The highest one says 67%.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Well then I guess 33% of the population are non-Muslim, and roughly half of those are women. So what happens when you “send a non-Muslim woman into Dearborn?” I don’t know, probably nothing. But why don’t you ask some of the thousands of them who live there?

          • RWH

            Look up churches in the yellow pages. That’s where I got my information. I know of a lot of ethnic communities who gradually move out. Their children get good jobs and move out of the “ghetto.” Neighborhoods change. If people were getting assaulted, you need to prove that this was coming from devout Moslems other than any other impoverished youth who form gangs and commit crimes.

            I have learned through these posts to trust absolutely nothing that you say. What you say doesn’t square with the facts.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You really think the Yellow Pages are the way to do research? LOL What kind of a “professor” are you?

            There are more mosques than churches in Dearborn! It’s beyond dispute that Muslims regularly assaulted non-Muslims in MI which is why the Polish catholic community moved. The authorities would not protect them.

          • RWH

            The telephone directory gives a lot more valid data than a bigmouth who just blurts off stuff. Polish people don’t live isolated neighborhoods anymore. They did when they were first arrivals, but as their kids got an education, they moved out to the suburbs just like everyone else. And if the Poles moved out as you say they did, why does the telephone book still list Polish National Catholic churches plus churches with the names of Polish saints. With all the church closings within the Catholic Church, one would think that these churches would have been closed. If there were more mosques than churches, why are they not listed in the most recent copy of the phone book? And, by the way, phone books are legitimate sources for research. They aren’t like your pretend sources.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The telephone directory? You must have missed the HUNDREDS of mosques listed. Are you confusing mosques with Islamic centers? Do you know the difference? And how can there be lists like “The ten best mosques in Dearborn” if there are only 4? Logic, man, logic (and a little math).

          • RWH

            Put your money where your mouth is and look up the telephone directory for Dearborn, MI. The yellow pages does not list this supposed hundreds of mosques/Islamic Centers, or whatnot. You just want to purvey hate, and no documented facts are going to dissuade you from that. Plus that, you have been wrong about just about everything else.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, why don’t you just look up “mosques in Dearborn MI” and you’ll see there are more than 4! LOL

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I don’t know what exactly you’re suggesting would happen, but I used to live two cities south of Dearborn. I have friends and family members that went there on a regular basis. I did myself, for that matter. Went to the mall there, even went to the community college there for a little while. I never saw, or heard from anyone I knew, of someone being assaulted or whatever you’re suggesting.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Try it now.

          • RWH

            Anyone can say anything if they don’t have to provide support. I have been around Moslems, and I have never witnessed these things. When I lived near Wichita, the Orthodox church I attended was populated mostly by Arabs. The Arab Christian and Moslem communities worked closely together because both encountered pure hate by people like you. I can attest that what you have said is pure fantasy on your part. I don’t think that you know what you are talking about.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Arabs and Muslims are not the same thing.

            I live in Canada. You do not. I have Muslim family members. You do not.

            I have never shown hate to anyone, whether Muslims, Arabs, or any other ethnicity. I have regularly volunteered to help foreigners and immigrants. Have you?

          • RWH

            Obviously, you don’t know what hate is.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I see it against Christians in your posts all the time.

          • RWH

            As a Christian myself, that accusation is absurd. That is unless your definition of Christian is a poor, ignorant white who is paranoid that his way of life is disappearing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re a practicing homosexual. You rail against Christians all the time.

          • RWH

            Apparently, you think that libel is a Christian virtue. I have never discussed my personal life on any of these lists. I leave it for the predators like you to make up stuff. Maligning people is a lot easier than doing the hard work of verifying with data things that you say.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are a practicing homosexual and you have mentioned it. I didn’t pull that out of the air. Why don’t you own it?

          • RWH

            Liar!

          • zampogna

            Practice makes perfect 🙂
            Also, whether or not he’s homosexual, it’s irrelevant to him being Christian. There are entire churches welcoming to homosexuals.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Institutions don’t determine who is saved. Jesus Christ does.

          • RWH

            Well, if we go by the standard of how well one treats people with whom he disagrees, you fail miserably. There is nothing about your attitude and disposition toward others that shows that you are a Christian.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How would you know?

          • RWH

            All we have to do is to read your responses and the tone that you have taken toward me and others who have joined this discussion. You just assume that people are stupid and can’t see through you.

          • zampogna

            And since you are not Jesus Christ, it isn’t your place to judge.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            And since Jesus didn’t say anything about homosexuals…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Amos Moses – He>i • 18 days ago
            James White made the claim that he wanted to reach out to Muslims in any way he could. Why doesn’t that involve going to an actual Muslim country and preaching the gospel? What’s he scared of?

            Amos Moses – He>i Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ • 18 days ago
            not sure what that has to do with this ….. why dont you ….. what are you scared of ………..

            Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Amos Moses – He>i • 17 days ago
            I do. I have repeatedly stated what I do, which is why I choose to remain anonymous on the internet.
            —————————————————————————-
            “I live in Canada. You do not. I have Muslim family members. You do not.” – Above in this post …..
            —————————————–
            hmmmmm …. so you are not in a muslim country ….. or is Canada now a muslim country ….. or are you afraid of your family ….. or you are afraid of living in Canada …….. OR WHAT ………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I am Canadian born and at this moment in Canada for medical treatment. I’ve always stated that. And my family lives in Canada too. 🙂 But keep falsely attacking. It just exposes your agenda.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … whatever you say ……….. sure …… you have made several wild accusations and lies ….. documented ….. WHY should we believe ANYTHING you say any longer …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You haven’t documented any lie I’ve told because, guess what? I haven’t lied. You seem very, very confused about what you are claiming. You also seem bent on attacking Christians in your wild defense of the jihadist who trained the underwear bomber.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” You also seem bent on attacking Christians”

            yeah … sure …. i doubt you and your supposed “christianity” ….. ESPECIALLY when you are doing the EXACT SAME THING to DR. WHITE ………… yawn ……….

      • Worf

        I didn’t realize third world countries had healthcare, stable democratic governments, over a trillion and a half dollars GDP, and over $75,000 average family income.

        • Bob Johnson

          The New New World Order

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Do we have healthcare? Minimum 6 month waiting list for an MRI, delayed life-saving cancer surgery, most doctors barely speak English and were not trained here. We recently had an X-ray technician who passed herself off as a radiologist. She was responsible for the deaths of many cancer patients, and for unnecessary surgeries being performed on healthy women. How about the number of foreign doctors who have molested patients, yet are still allowed to practice because they are Muslims. Look it up.

          Do we have a stable government? How about the number of foreigners who were allowed to vote in our last national election, despite not having citizenship? How about the number of Muslims with multiple voting cards, George Soros voting machines, and Obama meddling in our election? How about that?

          The average family income you cite is deceiving. The average MEDIAN income is $76,000.00 with the east making more than the west. The average INDIVIDUAL salary is $27,600.00.

          Our schools are being dumbed down to accommodate Islam, our medical system is being weakened to accommodate Islam, and our government is being weakened to accommodate Islam. This is a lose-lose for the west any way you look at it, particularly for my beloved Canada.

          • zampogna

            If you’re going to post nonsense and think that no one will question it because you live in Canada, keep in mind that others here live in Canada and have no idea what you’re talking about. I live in Canada. I never heard a single word about Muslims with multiple voting cards or voting without citizenship at all. And the charge about foreign doctors molesting patients, which you advise that we “look up”. Which non-ultra right-wing publication would you suggest we use to do that?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you consider the Toronto Star “right wing”? How about the Globe and Mail? Macleans magazine? Just because you are informed doesn’t mean everyone else is.

            Less than 6% of the population have molested over 90% of doctor-patient molestation cases. Think about that.

          • zampogna

            I can mention publication names too. Those are not citations. But I’ve seen you do this dance before, many times.
            Also curious why you’re not mentioning the percentage of white doctors who molest.

          • RWH

            If he did that, he would not have an excuse to peddle suspicion, distrust, and pure hatred for others.

          • zampogna

            If Macleans magazine wrote anything one tenth as inflammatory as what he’s saying here, it would get shut down.

          • RWH

            It’s like Elvira Bradshaw on the Beverly Hillbillies trying to give Jed Clampett fashion tips. I’ve never seen so much peddled ignorance come from one individual.

          • zampogna

            He’s easy enough to see through though. Always with the weak, flabby citations and dancing around the truth.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You think facts are inflammatory? Funny world you live in there.

          • zampogna

            I don’t know. Why don’t you present some? How long are you going to make me ask this time?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You conveniently ignore the posts with names and cases, along with where these names and cases were published, and repeatedly ask the same question. That’s harassment.

          • zampogna

            I looked them up. You provided the names of some doctors who presumably are Muslim and who are guilty of molestation. You haven’t provided proof that there is a disproportionate amount of Muslim doctors guilty of this practice. And I was unable to find anything online. It seems pretty obvious what you’re doing here, and it’s utterly dishonest.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure I have. The National Post, HuffPo, Globe and Mail, Toronto Star, etc. have cited that over 90% of molestation cases in Canada by doctors are Muslim.

          • zampogna

            Citation please, and we can end the game here.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Scroll up. I gave it to you 2 hours ago. You’re still playing the game of “citation please” after it’s been given repeatedly. Why the harassment?

          • zampogna

            No, I want a web link, and you know very well how to change the dot in the URL to the word “dot”. You have done it in the past….but oddly not now.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You already have one. You keep pretending you don’t. Why is that? It’s called harassment.

          • zampogna

            You haven’t provided one. At first you said it was because this site doesn’t host links. Then when I pointed that you can easily get around that, as you have in the past, you said you’d provided one already. This is a tired old game of yours that you play every single time.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I posted it over an hour ago. Why do you want to harass me by making me post the same links multiple times?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are falsely accusing me, and following me around again, which is harassment. You did that under your former handle, too.

            I already gave you the percentage of non-Muslim doctors who molest. Over 90% of the cases of molestation are by foreign-born doctors, which means that less than 10% are Canadian born. You are assuming that Islam is a skin color, and that the non-molesters are white. If you really live in Canada, how do you not know that there are plenty of non-white doctors who do not molest? Do you see everything as race? Do you assume Canadian-born means white? Just what part of the world do you live in, and why do you have such a narrow view of the world?

            I am citing publications because I cannot link. Try these names:

            Dr. Tariq Iqbal
            Dr. Eliezer Noreiga
            Dr. Sastri Maharajh
            Dr. Bassam El-Tatari
            Dr. Ravi Shenava

            That’s just off the top of my head.

          • zampogna

            Following you around – before this morning I didn’t even know about the conversation taking place! You can add raging paranoia to your list of issues.

            At any rate, I just did a search and came up with nothing that confirms your assertations. You know very well it’s possible to post links here, people do it all the time, you just leave out the dots and write the word “DOT” in their place, and people will be smart enough to change them on their own. In fact, I’ve seen you do that before so I think you’re not willing to provide links for stories you’ve either manufactured or changed beyond recognition.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already gave you sources. Did you look them up? And I’m not talking about only the names of publications. I’m talking about actual names in actual cases. Of course you didn’t, because you know they disprove your case. You’ve conveniently stopped talking about that.

          • zampogna

            I looked up every single name. It’s typical of you. They are the names of presumably Muslim doctors who molested. That in itself doesn’t tell the whole story, unless you want to show that white doctors in lesser numbers were guilty of the same thing. And you’ve been told about links – they do work here, so go get them.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You could not have looked up every single case in the time allotted, but let’s pretend that you did. It is undisputed that those doctors molested patients. Those doctors have already confessed and been charged. No one disputes that. The argument is that they are still practicing because of the PC culture. Even HuffPo addressed that. Do you want to call HuffPo alt-right?

          • zampogna

            You provided 5 doctors. I googled them all, saw that they’d had legal trouble for molestation (except one), and realized that your story was misleading. You proved the five doctors you mentioned were guilty, congratulations, well done. What you didn’t do is prove that they are disproportionately guilty of it to white doctors. Which I believe is the point you were originally making.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            First of all, do you really think that Islam is a race? Do you really think that there are no white Muslims? Do you really think this is a race problem and not a political ideological problem? Why are you so fixated on race? Do you see an Arab and assume he/she is Muslim? How about an East Indian? Narrow little worldview you’ve got going there.

            Also, in the 5 cases I gave you, if you really looked them up, you would see statistics that prove the amount of molestations by doctors are 90% of the caseload, with them being less than 6% of the population.

            That’s only talking about doctors. Macleans magazine ran a two part spread about crime rate increasing in Canada. The second article mentioned the cities in which these crime sprees occurred. They were the areas in which the most “refugees” have settled. Now are you going to call Macleans an alt-right publication? How about Justin Trudeau’s government? Is that alt-right too?

          • zampogna

            You really seem to have a hard time providing citations, don’t you? I can tell you the Globe and Mail ran an 8-part series on the problem of Christian Fundamentalists attacking homosexuals, doesn’t mean it’s true unless I prove it. I call the problem of doctors molesting patients a serious problem. What religion they have adopted doesn’t seem to me to matter terribly much unless you can show one religion is guiltier proportionately than the others. You haven’t done that. Neither am I concerned with what nationality they are unless, again, it can be shown one nationality is disproportionately guilty.

            “If you really looked them up, you would see statistics that prove the amount of molestations by doctors are 90% of the caseload, with them being less than 6% of the population.”

            I really looked them up, and I really didn’t see that, and once again it’s not hard for you to provide a citation, which oddly you NEVER seem to do around here, you just want people to take you at your word all the time.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You could not have looked them up in the time given. You are intentionally obfuscating facts in order to harass.

          • zampogna

            It doesn’t matter whether I looked them up or not since I conceded to your point that they are what you said they are. But as I pointed out, and you well know, you haven’t demonstrated how they stack up proportionately against their non-Muslim counterparts. That’s what everyone’s waiting on, so please stop muddying the waters and deliberately adding confusion to the situation.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I gave you articles with the exact statistics I quoted. The ones you pretend not to see.

          • james blue

            She accuses lots of people of “following her around”. To her replying to her comments is harassment so it’s easy to see why she sees it in the real world too.

      • Garbage Adams

        It is not bad in Canada. At all.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Because it’s easy to make lots of Disqus accounts, Jocasta/zampogna et al? LOL

          • Garbage Adams

            This account was created a while ago, and I don’t know you, and it makes you look bad to make false accusations.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It was created August 5th, and you do know me. More importantly, I know you.

          • Garbage Adams

            Today is the 9th. I can see messages by Zampogna posted on the 7th. I guess we both know what that makes you. I don’t know you and don’t want to know you, especially when you say such things about Canada. Have a nice day.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It makes me impervious to your juvenile games. 🙂

            Psst – The only ones who can see zampogna’s deleted messages are zampogna since they are only visible to the author after deletion. Nice giveaway. 🙂

          • Garbage Adams

            They are still visible. Look harder. You’re wrong.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How would you know when he was banned? LOL Keep spinning. You already have a bunch of Disqus accounts ready to go.

          • Garbage Adams

            Because I was online two days ago and read some of his posts. This isn’t rocket science.

            I think if you can’t prove anything, you should keep quiet to avoid embarrassing yourself.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I can prove it. 🙂

          • Garbage Adams

            Well, you do that then. Keep in mind nobody cares. If trolls and sock accounts matter so much to you, why don’t you dedicate your life to fighting them even though nothing you do will stop them? If I were you I would be worrying more about your own words and how well they stand up to scrutiny.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Cry harder. 🙂

          • Garbage Adams

            I really wonder how you would have reacted to any other new person speaking in defense of Canada. That’s all I did. One little inoffensive post and it’s turned you into a paranoiac.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I was waiting for you to show up. 🙂 You can’t help yourself, can you? And you don’t realize the trail you’ve left.

          • Garbage Adams

            If “I” am who you think, why would you be waiting for me when I was already here? Save the smug smiley faces for when you actually have something to be smug about. You are wrong. I don’t know you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            But I know you.

          • Garbage Adams

            Then prove it. You don’t know me, though.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            LOL

  • james blue

    Shouldn’t comments be limited to zoning concerns? Things like traffic or noise.

    We have the right to free speech, but this is a zoning hearing, not a hearing about agreeing or disagreeing with any given religion.

    • Nidalap

      But isn’t the very term “mosque” pertaining to the religion of Islam? Could be problematic…

      • james blue

        So could the term “”church”. Would homeowners bringing up concerns about pedophiles be germane? (Do you understand what I did there?)

  • Scott Davenport

    Blow that thing to smithereens every chance you get….. WTF??? It’s pretty clear that a mosque is a commercial facility and you don’t build it next to peoples houses….we tax payers just eat the extra maintenance that’s going to be required for the roads??? And people have to hear your cult blast it’s gay horns 5 times a day???

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    James White would be proud.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      Dr. James White vs. Mefferd/Camp
      youtube;com/watch?v=vs7UYmGkPZk

      change the ; to a .

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        That was conveniently spliced. Too bad for White that we have the whole thing on tape:

        youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=ON_8nOhJla4

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Fear Sells: Dr. James White vs. Howse/Dakdok/Hadian
          youtube;com/watch?v=yHr5CTVqWRE
          change the ; to a .

          Think twice before letting a guy shape your worldview that sells pocket watches, razors and suspenders in his church bookstore ~ Brannon Howse

          Brannons bookstore ………
          worldviewweekend;com/products
          again ….. change the ; to a .

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Brannon is quite correct, and he is not selling fear. Rather than talk about Brannon, however, I’d like to talk about the Word of God. Do you think it’s godly of White supporters to dox former Muslims who have now converted to Christ, simply because they have pointed out the error of James White’s ways to him? And why does James White carry a Qur’an in Arabic when he cannot speak it?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right …. and not pocket watches or suspenders ….. but he is selling fear in the form of emergency foods and knives (not razors) and the books in his bookstore are not prominently featured …… they are on page 4-5 that you have to scroll through to get to …..

            RIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!!!!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You have an odd definition of fear. You also have an odd fixation on Brannon Howse. He did not make James White dialogue and call the jihadist who trained the underwear bomber his “mentor” and “kindred spirit”. The onus is on James White for James White’s actions, not Howse or Usama or Shahram.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we are done here … you are a LIAR …………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Jesus Christ was called that and worse. As His disciple, I gladly bear whatever He bore.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Dr. James White vs. Mefferd/Camp V. 2
          youtube;com/watch?v=gKa4uBxY6ps
          change the ; to a .

          Brannon on Hagmann and Hagmann saying he is kicking people off his network because they will not attack White ….. Mike Abendroth and Justin Peters ……. so not attacking is now “support” ….
          youtu;be/7LBKh20EMVw?t=7379
          change the ; to a .

          Worldview Weekend August 3, 2017 P R E S S R E L E A S E With any organization, you go through a time of pruning, expanding, growing and learning. At Worldview Weekend Broadcast Network we are constantly in that cycle. Announcing some changes taking place. Two of our programs featuring Mike Abendroth and Justin Peters have been released from the WVW Broadcast Network so they may pursue other opportunities for their respective ministries. We will miss them greatly, and will be praying that they will use every opportunity for His glory and to promote His gospel.

          Worldview WHITEwash ……………… (see what i did there)

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Hi Amos,

            That is false. Howse is not kicking people off his program because they won’t attack White. It’s because they support unsound doctrine. He has wished them well, but two cannot walk together unless they agree.

            Meanwhile, two brothers, Usama Dakdok and Shahram Hadian have had speaking engagements canceled because they have stood up for the truth. It’s odd how some professing churches can kick out former Muslims who have converted to Christ, but have no problem with current Muslims coming into the congregation to talk about how great Islam is.

            Note that White’s followers have used profanity, four letter laced tirades, threats, and mockery in their defense of White. Bad fruit. It’s to be shunned.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Justin Peters and Mike Abendroth are two of the most sound teachers BH had …. HAD … on his network ….. so no ….. and yes that cannot walk together …. because they were walking together untill BH went down the wrong road ….. and that is EXACTLY why and BH said so on Hagmann and Hagmann ………. quite clearly ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No one is sound who endorses what James White did. He sat on the stage like a hapless idiot while the man who trained the underwear bomber lied about Christians persecuting Muslims, and more importantly, lied about what the Qur’an says.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they did not endorse ….. they only WOULD NOT ATTACK …. you are a LIAR ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Their attacks are public, but keep spinning it to appease your idol.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they made no public attacks ….. you are a LIAR …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Again, there you go with false accusations. You do know that this is all recorded on the internet, don’t you?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … we are done here ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Amos Moses – He>i • 18 days ago
            James White made the claim that he wanted to reach out to Muslims in any way he could. Why doesn’t that involve going to an actual Muslim country and preaching the gospel? What’s he scared of?

            Amos Moses – He>i Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ • 18 days ago
            not sure what that has to do with this ….. why dont you ….. what are you scared of ………..

            Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ Amos Moses – He>i • 17 days ago
            I do. I have repeatedly stated what I do, which is why I choose to remain anonymous on the internet.

            to sum up …. “Why doesn’t that involve going to an actual Muslim country and preaching the gospel?” …. “why dont you” ….. “I do. I have repeatedly stated what I do, which is why I choose to remain anonymous on the internet.” …… “I live in Canada.” …… RIIIGHT !!!

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          so you just skip over the part where the GOSPEL was clearly and succinctly delivered in a No Compromising fashion …. OK ……… and you are right …. WE HAVE THE FULL RECORDING ….. and we can see THE PART YOU WANT TO SKIP OVER ………….
          youtu;be/gKa4uBxY6ps?t=227

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Gospel was not clearly given. In fact, it wasn’t given at all. To compound the error, James White sat by while the jihadist who trained the underwear bomber lied about Christians persecuting Muslims, and lied about what the Qur’an really says. Since James White cannot speak or read Arabic, he is clueless as to what is really inside it.

            Now White’s supporters are joining with jihadists to persecute Christians. Shame on them, and shame on James White.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i just gave you the time coded link where it was ….. you are a LIAR ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are mistaken if you think that is giving the Gospel. You seem confused about what the Gospel is.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you do not know the gospel ………. you are a LIAR …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There you go again. You have serious issues, Amos. You are attacking the children of God rather than exposing the jihadist who trained the underwear bomber.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            doubt a liar is a child of God yet ……. and rebuke for such acts is a christian thing ……. so not sure even if you are one to not know that ……… done ……..

  • Ambulance Chaser

    I think the Thomas More Law Center is legally correct here. 1) If the town wished to prevent hate speech, it could have simply forbidden any discussion of any topic not directly related to this particular mosque. Forbidding discussion about Islam only is a serious First Amendment violation.

  • Neal Gaylor

    What is this ridiculous love affair with Islam that liberals have? Don’t you idiots realize that these barbarians want to kill you too!!!???

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Which “barbarians” would those be?