Atheist Group Wants Arkansas Governor to Stop Posting Bible Verses on Official Social Media Pages

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — One of the most conspicuous professing atheist groups in the nation has sent a letter to the governor of Arkansas to request that he stop posting Bible verses on his government-related social media pages.

Gov. Asa Hutchinson posts a Scripture to his Twitter and Facebook accounts each Sunday, sharing verses such as, “I will give thanks to the Lord with my whole heart; I will recount all of Your wonderful deeds,” “Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty,” and “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”

However, the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) soon learned of his practice and sent a letter to the governor on Tuesday to assert that it is unconstitutional to post Scripture to his official government accounts.

“Government officials cannot endorse religion, including by regularly publishing Bible verses,” wrote attorney Andrew Seidel. “When it comes to violations of the Establishment Clause, i.e., the government endorsing religion, appearances matter. Government officials cannot appear to endorse Christianity.”

“In this instance, by tying your government office title to two social media pages, you have intimately entwined your official position with the messages you send on those platforms, creating the appearance of official endorsement,” he stated.

FFRF then requested that Hutchinson cease posting Scripture to social media, or to at least do so on personal accounts that are separate from his government pages.

“The simplest solution is to stop posting and tweeting Bible verses or any other religious endorsements and to delete those previously disseminated,” Seidel asserted. “If you cannot refrain from using social media to promote your personal religion, then you should open other, personal social media accounts for your personal thoughts, musings, prayers, and Bible verses and leave all your official business for the accounts mentioned above.”

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He also contended that Jesus’ exhortation not to make an ostentatious show out of prayer just to be seen by others would also pertain to posting Scriptures publicly.

“If the law and your oath to uphold the Constitution are not sufficient to convince you to stop, perhaps you might consider reading Matthew 6:5-6, in which Jesus condemns public prayer as hypocrisy in his Sermon on the Mount,” Seidel stated. “None of Jesus’s supposed words mention Twitter—perhaps He wasn’t that prescient—but the condemnation of public piety is reasonably clear.”

It is not yet known if Hutchison plans to respond to the correspondence. (Read the letter in full here.)

Rush

Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence and founder of the Bible Society at Philadelphia, said in 1806, “The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.”

He also wrote in a letter to John Adams in 1807, “By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. Our Saviour in speaking of it calls it ‘Truth,’ in the abstract. It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. It contains a faithful representation of all its follies, vices & crimes. All systems of religion, morals, and government not founded upon it, must perish, and how consoling the thought!—It will not only survive the wreck of those systems, but the world itself. ‘The gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.'” (Read here from the National Archives.)

Throughout America’s early history, a number of other Founding Fathers issued proclamations calling inhabitants to prayer, including in 1798, when the aforementioned President John Adams proclaimed a national day of humiliation, prayer and fasting.

“As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essentially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God, and the national acknowledgment of this truth is not only an indispensable duty which the people owe to Him,” he wrote, “…this duty, at all times incumbent, is so especially in seasons of difficulty and of danger, when existing or threatening calamities—the just judgments of God against prevalent iniquity—are a loud call to repentance and reformation.”

President Abraham Lincoln also proclaimed a National Fast Day in 1863.

“[I]t is the duty of nations as well as of men to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord,” his proclamation read.

“[I]nsomuch we know that by His Divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole people,” Lincoln said.


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  • Maxwell Edison

    And the anti-Christian Freedom From Religion Foundation strikes again.

    I hope Governor Hutchinson will tell these bigots where to go.

    Oh, and to the bigots who will come here to defend the FFRF and argue the Governor has no right to use religious expression, you can go to hell too.

    • Kieran Dyke

      It’s the constitution. I’m sorry that you hold it in such contempt.

      • Mr. Didymus

        Kieran Dyke

        First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        The Constitution prohibits CONGRESS from respecting an establishment of religion. Congress is also not allowed to prohibit the free exercise thereof.

        I don’t think the Governor of Arkansas is moonlighting also as a member of Congress, so the First Amendment protects his free exercise, and he is not under the rule about “respecting an establishment of religion” because he is not part of Congress.

        Maybe you should actually read the Constitution before posting.

        • Guzzman

          Your statement that the First Amendment only applies to Congress is deceptive and conveniently ignores constitutional amendments and case law. All you need to do is read any Establishment Clause decision from the Supreme Court involving state or county government and it will include standard language such as the following:

          “Because of the prohibition of the First Amendment against the enactment by Congress of any law ‘respecting an establishment of religion,’ WHICH IS MADE APPLICABLE TO THE STATES BY THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT…”

          Did you ever ask yourself how is it that the Supreme Court routinely rules on constitutional issues involving state and local governments? How can that be if the U.S. Constitution does not apply to the states and their political sub-divisions, as you contend?

          • Mr. Didymus

            My statement that the First Amendment only applies to congress comes directly from the First Amendment itself. Just because a bunch of Godless politically motivated judges rule against our Constitution, does not change the fact of what the First Amendment says.

            First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

          • Guzzman

            My statement that the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause is made applicable to the states by the Fourteenth Amendment comes straight from the Supreme Court which was granted the authority to interpret the Constitution.

          • Mr. Didymus

            The Constitution addresses your idea of application to local and state governments in the Tenth Amendment which is very clear. If there are courts that are violating the Constitution, they are WRONG!

            Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

          • Maxwell Edison

            What is that you are quoting? How does it apply when the 14th Amendment was about slavery and was never included in the Bill of Rights?

            Talking out of your butt again. Because of your bigotry. Pull your pants back on and shut up.

          • DrIndica

            Did you ever ask yourself, how is it that something written in the 18th century by wealthy, white, slave owning men is relevant in the 21st century? A rule of law should protect all equally, and not only those who agree with a particular slanted and subjective interpretation.

          • Guzzman

            You wrote, “…how is it that something written in the 18th century by wealthy, white, slave owning men is relevant in the 21st century?”

            By your reasoning, how is it that the Bible should be relevant here in the 21st century when it says that slaves are property to be bought and sold like livestock?:

            “However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)”

          • DrIndica

            That is a false equivalency. In the UK we don’t have an antiquated document running the State. No judicial review and Parliamentary supremacy. Your Constitution gave you the buffoon currently living in the White House.

          • LynnRH

            Hurrayyyyy! Thank you Constitution!

          • DrIndica

            Cheering over having a bombastic idiot for your President… interesting.

          • LynnRH

            That’s your opinion. Obviously not everyone’s opinion. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been elected. There were many of us talking about the buffoon/bombastic idiot of a president we’ve had for the previous 8 years.

        • james blue

          So can state government prohibit free exercise of religion? It’s not congress after all…

        • Lark.62

          How many times do christians need to be told the 14th amendment exists?

          If you need to leave out relevant facts to make your point, that is merely an admission that you know you’re wrong.

      • Maxwell Edison

        Only it’s not. That’s just your fantasy.

      • DrIndica

        Ahh, the Constitution. A document written nearly 230 years ago by misogynist slave owners. How well you’ve been taught to support your oppression.

        • Lark.62

          The Constitution is a good document. And elected officials in the US swear to defend it.

        • LynnRH

          Oh yes, slavery was wrong. Many, many, many did not realize it at that time. The blinders were eventually removed. But I bet you’ve never done anything wrong have you?

  • james blue

    I realize empathy is not a strong characteristic these days, but if you wish to understand why such a complaint would be made, be honest with yourself and think how you’d feel if the governor of your state posted islamic, wiccan or satanic tracts.

    Then again, do you wish to understand?

  • Becky

    “If the law and your oath to uphold the Constitution are not sufficient to convince you to stop, perhaps you might consider reading Matthew 6:5-6, in which Jesus condemns public prayer as hypocrisy in his Sermon on the Mount,” Seidel stated. “None of Jesus’s supposed words mention Twitter—perhaps He wasn’t that prescient—but the condemnation of public piety is reasonably clear.”

    Wrong, heathen. That is about the prayers from hypocrites and not about God’s people praying in public. Christ prayed publicly (John 11). Ezra prayed publicly whilst he confessed, wept and bowed down before the house of God (Ezra 10). King Solomon prayed publicly (1 Kings 8). Paul prayed in public, along with others.

    Btw, where is it stated on these official government accounts that it’s preferring Christianity over other religions? Nowhere. Where is it stated on these official government accounts that it isn’t allowing any other forms of religious posts? Nowhere. Quotes on twitter or facebook does not a law make. However, you lot are demanding no religion over religion and that is against the USC.

  • ThroatwobblerMangrove

    It’s church and state. The two do not and should not mix.

    • LynnRH

      That’s not everyone’s viewpoint.

      • Guzzman

        The principle of separating religion and government is not merely a “viewpoint”, it is the law. That principle may not be held by everyone, but the people that matter certainly held to it.

        James Madison, long-honored as Father of the Constitution, when asked to reflect on the separation between religion and government in the U.S. Constitution had this to say: “The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly
        increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter
        to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).”

        In Reynolds v. United States (1879) the Supreme Court argued that Thomas Jefferson’s words concerning a wall of separation between church and state “may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment.”

        That shows the Supreme Court agreed with Jefferson’s and Madison’s interpretation of the religious clauses of the First Amendment having the effect of creating a separation between religion and government. So when we look to the writings and actions of the Founders and to decisions of the courts, we keep running into this principle referred to by Madison as the “total separation of the church from the State.” Why is that, do you think?

    • Redboyds

      A Bible verse is a “church”?

      You’re a fool.

      • ThroatwobblerMangrove

        Calling names here is against the rules and will get you banned.

        • DrIndica

          Name calling is the refuge of people that are unable to debate with reason or intellectual rigor.

          • TruthvLIes

            That must be the reason why homosexuas always respond with you are a bigot, hateful, intolerant and a homophobe.

          • DrIndica

            Obviously I can’t speak for others, but name calling from either side is ignorance vocalized.

          • DrIndica

            Merry Christmas, I hope you and everyone with whom you spend your day, have a wonderful day.

          • TruthvLIes

            We don’t bother with christmas as it is a pagan festival.

          • DrIndica

            Yikes

          • LynnRH

            Our family does celebrate Jesus’s birth. Our family does come together and have a holiday meal and exchange gifts. But our main focus through it all is to remember what we are celebrating. We read Luke 1 (the Christmas story) together, we have a Happy Birthday Jesus cake as the main focus of our meal. We come together as a family and pray and thank God for the greatest gift of all (His Son Jesus). Our church gets busy with several activities for the community and surrounding area that helps to remind people Jesus is the Reason for the Season. I don’t know…….but Christmas may have at some point turned into a pagan festival when people lost track of the real reason we celebrate that time of the year. But those of us who truly love the Lord and also love coming together with our families to celebrate His birth will not let the real reason get clouded up with all the busyness.

    • Mr. Didymus

      Many people are surprised to learn that the United States Capitol regularly served as a church building; a practice that began even before Congress officially moved into the building and lasted until well after the Civil War. Below is a brief history of the Capitol’s use as a church, and some of the prominent individuals who attended services there.

      The cornerstone of the Capitol was laid by President George Washington in 1793., but it was not until the end of 1800 that Congress actually moved into the building. According to the congressional records for late November of 1800, Congress spent the first few weeks organizing the Capitol rooms, committees, locations, etc. Then, on December 4, 1800, Congress approved the use of the Capitol
      building as a church building.

      The approval of the Capitol for church was given by both the House and the Senate, with House approval being given by Speaker of the House, Theodore Sedgwick, and Senate approval being given by the President of the Senate, Thomas Jefferson. Interestingly, Jefferson’s approval came while he was still officially the Vice- President but after he had just been elected President.

      Significantly, the Capitol building had been used as a church even for years before it was occupied by Congress. The cornerstone for the Capitol had been laid on September 18, 1793; two years later while still under construction, the July 2, 1795, Federal Orrery newspaper of Boston reported:

      City of Washington, June 19. It is with much pleasure that we discover the
      rising consequence of our infant city. Public worship is now regularly administered
      at the Capitol, every Sunday morning, at 11 o’clock.

      • Guzzman

        It is true that for a time there were church services and many other social activities (e.g., card playing, gambling, concerts) held in the newly constructed House chamber of the Capitol. This was a unique circumstance in our nation’s history when the Federal government relocated to an undeveloped tract of land with very little infrastructure. Naturally, unusual arrangements were struck to accommodate the social and religious needs of all of those displaced individuals. One church group was using an abandoned tobacco barn to hold services, that’s how dire the situation was.

        So yes, an otherwise empty House chamber was used for various functions on Sundays hundreds of years ago, and Jefferson attended some of these functions as a PRIVATE citizen. A private action (even of a government official) is in no way an “official” act supported or endorsed by government. Furthermore, it has no bearing whatsoever on the constitutional principle of separating religion and government. The doors of the unoccupied House chamber were opened for worship and other social functions simply because there were no other buildings available at the time in the fledgling District of Columbia. The accommodation was eventually discontinued as new construction was completed by religious, business, and other private organizations.

        • Lark.62

          Ahh. Those pesky facts do tend to mess up the story.

    • DrIndica

      You are correct, religion and the State are like oil and water. Fortunately in the UK we don’t have unelected judges making law, and a secular state.

  • Charlene

    More boo-hooing.

    FYI: When Nixon was president, he didn’t attend church, as he was aware that a president surrounded by Secret Service men was pretty disruptive to any church service. However, he did host interdenominational worship services in the White House. Somehow the country survived this and no one ran around screaming “Theocracy!”

    • DrIndica

      Nixon was a Quaker, Secret Service agents would have been disruptive to the silent contemplative gatherings of a Friends meeting.

      • The Skeptical Chymist

        Nixon was a disgrace to the pacifist Quaker religion.

        • ppp777

          Boy he must of been bad .

  • Guzzman

    The religious messages were posted on the governor’s official Facebook page (AsaForArkansas) and his official Twitter account, (@AsaHutchinson). Government has no grant of authority to weigh in on religious matters. When an agent of government is acting in an official capacity, that person IS government and does not have the authority to speak for the government on religious matters and cannot lawfully use his position to promote his religious beliefs.

    Abusing government authority in such a manner is prohibited by law: Board of Education v. Mergens, 496 U.S. 226 (1990): “There is a crucial difference between government speech endorsing religion, which the Establishment Clause FORBIDS, and private speech endorsing religion, which the Free Speech and Free Exercise Clauses protect.”

    • Mr. Didymus

      Our President, vice President, members of both Houses of Congress, Judges, Sheriffs, State Representatives, Governors, and many other Government servants are sworn in with their hand on a BIBLE!

      • Guzzman

        As for swearing oaths, our secular Constitution makes no mention of swearing on the Bible. To the extent that a Bible or Koran is used, it is for purely ceremonial show. As to court testimony and oaths, all citizens have a right to just “affirm” that they will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. No Bibles or “so help me Gods” or anything religious is ever needed to assume public office or testify in court.

        Government cannot require its officials to swear on a Bible or support a church in order to hold office. Article VI of the Constitution prohibits any religious test as a qualification for public office. The government cannot require its employees to pass any test of religious affiliation to take office. The ban on religious tests was included to ensure that the government would remain secular in nature.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    the CRY-BULLIES gonna CRY ….. and BULLY ……..

  • Mr Cleats

    Oh brother. Hutchinson is a graduate of Bob Jones U. For the atheists that’s about as “deplorable” as one could get.

    Go, Asa!

  • Ben Welliver

    The closer we get to Christmas, the more vicious the atheists get. What do they do on Christmas day? Foam at the mouth?

    • DrIndica

      Celebrate Saturnalia

      • Ben Welliver

        You can’t “celebrate” the festival of a god you don’t believe in, cretin.

        Other than flipping your middle fingers at Christians, you people got nothing going on in December. Cold, dark, joyless, and angry.

        Poor creatures.

        • DrIndica

          Saturn is equally as real as the god you’ve created. Christian’s timing of the Christmas celebration is a Christian alternative to an ancient Roman holiday. You aren’t actually claiming Jesus was born December 25th are you?

          • Ben Welliver

            Not wasting any more time on you, little atheist.

            Go stew in your hate. It’s the only emotion you zeroes have got.

          • Maxwell Edison

            He should be banned for promoting atheism.

          • DrIndica

            Agnostics don’t proselytize, rather support free thought.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Agnostic? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

          • DrIndica

            And, yet another cogent and compelling response.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Because your behavior here says otherwise.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            except when the free thought involves christianity ….. and if you are not proselytizing ….. then why are you here ….

          • DrIndica

            I am “here” because I’m interested in what issues are important to Christians, and I support all types of free thought except when a dogma is imposed on diverging ideas.

          • LynnRH

            oh you mean like the dogma that is imposed on Christians too?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “except when a dogma is imposed on diverging ideas.”

            so you prove the point …. you are NOT REALLY about free thought ….. in fact you are about SHUTTING DOWN free thought you disagree with ….. thanx ………….

          • DrIndica

            You don’t know me, don’t categorize or analyze me.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i annualized your STATEMENT ……….

          • LynnRH

            Just wait…….Lol. The day will come when God will show you “free thought.”

          • wandakate

            Because GOD has given ALL authority to JESUS CHRIST and it’s going to be called “judgement day”. ONE on ONE with JESUS, that’s the bottom line.

          • DrIndica

            Only able to engage in name calling, and not able to answer a question… interesting.

          • LynnRH

            Of course we know the exact date of Jesus’ birth is unknown. That is not what matters. But at least we do take time out of our busyness and celebrate and acknowledge His birth.

          • wandakate

            If your birthday is MARCH 15th for example, how bout if everybody that knows you has a party for you on March 25th?????
            That’s NOT your birthday, it’s 10 late later and thus the wrong day…JESUS was born around the Fall feast of the LORD, thus Sukkot, which was in September, around the first week of September. This can be based on many true facts if researched back to that day and time coupled with scripture written in Hebrew (the original text)…
            He was NEVER born in December. It would have been way too cold that time of year for any Shepherds to be out in the fields keeping watch over their flocks by night… We know for a fact it wasn’t December…
            JESUS never wanted us to celebrate His birthday, and certainly with Santa and candy-canes and trees inside our houses and decorations on the outside of our houses and mounts of festive foods, office and home parties and drinking ourselves into oblivion, or feeling compelled to spend SO much money on presents and gift giving. We charge up our charge cards to the max and then spend the following year in debt to the lender and pay interest on them and it becomes a vicious cycle each year.
            It’s very commercial and traditional, very worldly and fake. It’s a man-made holiday, and started with the Pagans.
            It was NEVER about JESUS (YESHUA) to begin with…

            SORRY, but there is NOTHING at all GODLY or CHRISTIAN about this holiday, or Halloween (that’s of satan) or Easter for that matter.

          • wandakate

            Don’t know about the rest of the people here, but I for one am NOT. It’s a pagan/heathen celebration. It had NOTHING whatsoever to do with the birth of JESUS CHRIST, the son of GOD…It’s all fake, commercial, phony, worldly and traditional. It’s a BIG waste of money. Plus parents LIE year after year to their own children telling them about it and celebrating the anticipation of the myth of Santa Clause who will bring LOTS of gifts, and gum and candy for their stockings etc.
            It’s all put out as innocent and only for the fun of the children, but the bottom line is it’s all “LIES”, and yet they punish their children b/c they tell lies and yet the parents lie every Easter with the Easter Bunny and eggs, etc. that have absolutely NOTHING to do with JESUS, and they LIE again about Christmas and Santa. They put a tree inside their home, which the bible talks about.
            ALL of it is from the old days of Paganism and doing things the way that the heathen did.

            The Bible tells us Do NOT do what the pagans and the heathen do. It was not what GOD wanted us to do…

            JESUS IS “NOT” THE REASON FOR THE SEASON!!!!!

            More and more people are actually finding this out, they are learning slowly that ALL of this Christmas stuff is garbage.
            Fake and traditional. Really commercial and that He wasn’t born in December.
            He was born at the fall feast of the LORD, around Sukkot and that would have been about the first week of September.

        • DrIndica

          I have many friends and family that practice Christianity, I don’t hate them. They typically don’t try to shove their world view down other people’s throat either.

          • LynnRH

            no one forced you to join this Christian website blog. Lol. We’re not trying to force anything on you anyway. We are just stating our say-so’s just as you are. What?……….You think you’re the only one (besides other non-believer’s that should have any say-so? You don’t have to join us on this website blog. But whether you like it or not I will be praying for you’re blinders to be removed. Because that is what God expects me to do. 🙂

          • DrIndica

            Don’t think I’ve “joined” anything, but apparently some folks that profess Christianity, become butt-hurt over rhetorical aphorisms.

          • LynnRH

            ” become butt-hurt over rhetorical aphorisms”
            whatever that means. anyway maybe “joined” isn’t the right word. Sorry, I don’t know what other word would have been a better choice to describe it when someone clicks on a certain website and then starts adding their viewpoints to a certain blog. Lol

          • wandakate

            Invasion maybe. OR maybe the need to be a “sore thumb” here. Maybe a way to be somewhere that you shouldn’t be b/c you simply don’t think, act or believe as these people do…
            Like being out of place…
            It’s called enjoying aggravating another human being while expressing your own viewpoint that is relevant anyway about the topic at hand.

          • TruthvLIes

            That is right Lynn. Commenting on a christian forum is one of the few things left in society that you are not forced to do on the basis of being politically correct or being forced into it by homosexuals.

            Of course, how long before the thought police invade us is to be something for conjecture. In the meantime we will make hay whilst the sun shines as the rainbow warriors no doubt will be scheming to get all christian thought off the internet.

          • wandakate

            They were told to be a light unto a dark world (satan’s world). They were told to “testify” and “do good works” for the coming Kingdom of GOD on earth.
            They were told to “witness” to people about JESUS love for humans…They were NOT told to shove it down anybody’s throats. They are suppose to “drop the seeds” and GOD will water them to His satisfaction.

          • DrIndica

            Witness by example, so to speak.

          • wandakate

            EXCELLENT POINT…yes. not do as I say, but do as you see me do…
            Practice what you preach could also be used here. Another one might be Actions are LOUDER than words…

          • LynnRH

            Examples, yes, of course. But even Jesus traveled around in order to teach God’s Word. He did that not only by example but with His mouth as well. I know He had a lot of followers but I bet not everyone was a follower after hearing THE WORD. And there was probably a many of those that felt it was being shoved down their throats.

          • LynnRH

            And of course those that feel it is “shoved down their throats” are those who would think that way because they are not ready to acknowledge their sinfulness and their need for a God in their life. Just because you hear this kind of resistance from those people, wandakate, doesn’t mean they are always right about Christians shoving it down their throat.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          but they really like the sales ………

          • Becky

            And the time off during the Christmas holiday and the big fat Christmas bonuses.

          • wandakate

            Yeah Amos b/c it’s ALL about commercialism, shop till you drop. About insane humans being greedy and wanted to have it and have it ALL right now…It’s about charging to the max, and then paying for all of it the following year, only to start over again next year and repeat yearly.
            In other words it’s just totally insane…
            I know b/c I celebrated it for most of my life as I was raised doing so. In 2011 I took down my tree and never ever celebrated it again b/c I had finally found out the TRUTH about this and the other holidays, and I simply just decided that I will NOT be participating in these worldly fake holidays any longer, and I never did do it again. Scripture tells us…When you know the truth, the truth will set you free. AMEN to that.

        • Nick Halflinger

          “You can’t “celebrate” the festival of a god you don’t believe in,”

          How about that fertility goddess, Eostre. You known, eggs and bunny rabbits.

          “Other than flipping your middle fingers at Christians, you people got nothing going on in December.”

          Winter Solstice
          Hanukkah
          Yuletide

          • wandakate

            NEVER Easter, never Halloween and certainly never Christmas…ALL COMMERICIAL, ALL PAGAN, ALL WORLDLY, ALL FAKE, AND ALL TRADITIONAL holidays created by mortal man, and have NOTHING to do with GOD. Never have and never will.

          • Nick Halflinger

            Sad because Ben Weliver was saying that those who don’t celebrate Christmas have “nothing going on in December. Cold, dark, joyless, and angry.”

          • Leon

            What is the solution? 1)Never believe, obey or honor anythimg the God hating antitheists of atheism say or demand.
            2) Trust and obey the word of God, with apology to none. The atheists go down in defeat as a result.

          • ppp777

            Away with you pagan .

      • Lark.62

        Keep Saturn in Saturday.

    • wandakate

      Whatever they’re doing on Dec. 25th they got the wrong day. JESUS birthday wasn’t in Dec. to begin with. Was way too cold in that part of the world for the birth to happen to way scripture explains it.
      According to Luke 2…the shepherds were OUT in the fields keeping watch over their flock by night…(would be too cold to be out in the fields). The shepherds put away their flock during the month of October and they left ALL of them there in the barns until around the time of year when it would be spring, thus warmer.

      There were also men called “wise men”… They were NOT out in the cold harsh winter either searching that time of year. The Kings (we don’t know how many for sure), but there were likely more than 3 of them. They didn’t actually bring gifts to JESUS until He was about 2 years old.

      Furthermore, they went to see JESUS b/c He was the new KING…He was the KING of the Jews. They weren’t bringing present for His birthday, BUT simply b/c He was known to them as the KING of the Jews. IT had NOTHING at all to do with a birthday.

      JESUS is NOT the reason for the season.

      He was born when the weather was a tad warmer in the fall of the year. He was born at the time of Sukkot which would have been about the first week of September, NOT December. The story is read, our timing is what’s messed up.

      What we now call CHRISTMAS, is originally a Pagan celebration. It’s very worldly, it’s fake, it’s traditional and it’s super commercial. It’s ALL now about buying everything. About black Friday shopping, about using your charge card to the max. for presents so you can have a HUGE amount of them under a Pagan Christmas tree.

      Scripture even tells us that the people go into the woods to cut down the tree, they bring it in and tie it down so it doesn’t topple. They decorate it with silver and gold. That’s all about cutting down a tree in the forest and bringing it into our houses and then decorating it with all of the ornaments we have of silver and gold.
      IT has NOTHING whatsoever to do with JESUS or His miracle birth, it had to do with the celebration of Saturnalia. It’s ALL a pagan/heathen celebration.

      JESUS “never” wanted us to celebrate His birthday. He wanted the disciples to celebrate His resurrection…
      He told them at the Last Supper, THIS DO IN REMBRANCE OF ME. It was that last supper that mattered. When he drank the wine and ate the bread that was what they were told to remember, that last supper and His death and resurrection, NOT anything called CHRISTMAS or His Birth…

  • TruthvLIes

    If the atheists had there way, we would not be allowed to do anything except be atheists.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      we are all born a-theists ……….

      • ThroatwobblerMangrove

        It is spelled “atheists”.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          says the A-theist ……..

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            There is no such thing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure ……. there …. is ….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            It does not exist in the dictionary.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so what ………. and yes it is ….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Which dictionary?

  • TruthvLIes

    The story says….“Government officials cannot endorse religion, including by regularly publishing Bible verses,” wrote attorney Andrew Seidel. “When it comes to violations of the Establishment Clause, i.e., the government endorsing religion, appearances matter. Government officials cannot appear to endorse Christianity.”

    One, the First amendment says that “Congress shall not endorse a religion…” There is no mention of government officials.

    Two, the atheists claim appearances matter. In my reading of the First amendment, the word “appearance” does not appear in the First Amendment.

    Just another beat up by atheists to impose their will on everyone else. I guess they are desperate for numbers because people are giving them a miss which is not surprising when you believe that everything came from nothing. Most people do not have enough faith to believe such hogwash.

    • Guzzman

      You wrote, “…the First amendment says that ‘Congress shall not endorse a religion…’ There is no mention of government officials.”

      So you are arguing that the Bill of Rights (which includes the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause) reaches only Congress? The 14th Amendment and later court precedent which extended the Bill of Rights to state governments never happened?

      If the Bill of Rights did not apply to state governments, then the states would be free to ban gun ownership, search homes and seize property at will without warrants or court oversight, ignore due process, prohibit free speech, prohibit freedom of the press, prohibit freedom of assembly, and establish their own tax-supported state religions.

      Let us hope that maybe you are wrong.

      • TruthvLIes

        I am not arguing anything. I am just stating a fact. It is you that is doing the argueing.

        • Guzzman

          You wrote that you are “not arguing anything.” I couldn’t agree more. You claim to be “just stating a fact” except your fact was wrong and just as bad, you omitted relevant facts that show you are wrong.

          Your supposed fact that “the First amendment says that ‘Congress shall not endorse a religion…’ There is no mention of government officials” is wrong. The First Amendment actually states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” You got the quote wrong. Second, you failed to mention that the First Amendment is made applicable to the states by the Fourteenth Amendment. The First Amendment precludes government from promoting religion. Government can only act through its representatives, so that means the First Amendment does in fact apply to government officials such as state governors, contrary to what you claim. This also means governors can’t use their official social media accounts to proselytize and promote their personal religious beliefs.

          • TruthvLIes

            Thank you for your opinion.

  • I truly get cracked up when nonbelievers actually try using the Scriptures against a believer. Hilarious.

    • Mr Cleats

      Satan could quote Scripture.

      • Exactly

      • DrIndica

        You’ve spoken to Satan?

      • wandakate

        YES, and Satan and the demons tremble at the name of JESUS CHRIST.
        We were told to rebuke satan in the name of JESUS, above all other names.

        • ppp777

          ” Resist the devil and he will flee “

    • ThroatwobblerMangrove

      They often know the scriptures far better. Not always, but often.

      • LynnRH

        Satan knows the scriptures too. He knows how the end will be. But yet he still refuses to give in and acknowledge that Jehovah God is the only God and that he (Satan) is not. Talk about stubborn pride. Lol. Oh well……as the scripture says, “Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord God.” That means Satan too.

        • LadyInChrist♥ThankYouJesus

          Amen

        • wandakate

          Christians need to remember that satan is going down to the bottomless pit. JESUS wins in the end and his army of heavenly angels and ALL of the saved souls that will follow him on white horses to fight the final battle at Armageddon.
          Satan loses big time. Satan was thrown out of heaven as the angel of light. He name was “Lucifer”, and he had rebelled against GOD and 1/3 of the Angels followed satan when he left heaven and they are now demons…satan uses these spiritual demons to wreck havoc on our lives, and cause pain, suffering and death to GOD’s people. He came to kill, steal and destroy lives and is until today continuing to do that very thing…We must be aware of satan and the fact that “WE” are in a “spiritual” battle.
          LIFE BOILS DOWN TO THIS.. IT’S A SPIRITUAL BATTLE BETWEEN THE FORCES OF GOOD AND THE FORCES OF EVIL.
          Heaven is going to be a “spiritual” Kingdom, it’s not of flesh and blood as we now have on the earth.

          Bottom line JESUS wins, satan loses…Who’s side will you be on?

          • LynnRH

            Lol. Well if you are asking me personally……..I’m definitely on Jesus’ side.

          • wandakate

            Actually I was just making the comment but no it wasn’t directed specifically to you. Just for anyone to happen to read it here. SO, GOOD FOR YOU!

            It’s very easy today to “fall away” or to “backslide”. I know b/c I have done it and it’s not good. I get where I need to be and then something happens and I mess up (don’t we all ). I hope he’s going to forgive me of ALL Of my sins and trespasses b4 it’s too late.

          • LynnRH

            Yes it happens to everyone. I have backslidden at times myself. God knew we couldn’t be sinless no matter how hard we tried. So that’s why we have to have Jesus’ blood to keep us covered.

          • ppp777

            Well said , that is the true gospel , Amen .

        • ppp777

          Satan of course hates humans and wants to drag as many down with him as he can .

    • ppp777

      Where else can they go , there is nowhere .

  • Guzzman

    Exactly as I wrote, the Supreme Court ruled in Mergens that government is prohibited from endorsing a religious message. It repeatedly made that same ruling in many other cases involving government endorsement of religion, whether it was in the form of a Bible verse, a nativity display, a 10 Commandments monument, a Latin cross, sectarian prayer, and so on.

    The specifics of the religious message can vary from case to case while the same legal precedent holds: “Thus, it has been noted that the prohibition against governmental endorsement of religion “preclude[s] government from conveying or attempting to convey a message that religion or a particular religious belief is favored or preferred.” Allegheny v. ACLU (quoting Wallace v. Jaffree).

  • How would you react if a Muslim gvernor was posting Koran verses every week?

    • DrIndica

      Given, as Plato and De Tocqueville called it, “tyranny of the majority” it will be a long time before a Muslim is elected a Governor in the US.

    • Chet

      No one would be so brave as to cry aloud over such. There are consequences, dude…

  • Nidalap

    Like a bevvy of vampires being doused with holy water.
    All the hissing and fang-baring…

    • Kirk

      Grinches

  • Chet

    Aw, tell the FFRF to go pack sand. Christians do not take their orders from men, especially this bunch. Nor are we accountable unto mere men, fellow sinners, all. Stand Up, Stand Up For Jesus Ye Soldiers Of The Cross. Dare to be a Daniel, gov and others. No more buckling at the knees in the face of liberal anti God anti Christ adversity only to drop and roll over in submission…