‘We’ve Prayed About It’: Professing ‘Christian’ Couple Refuses Woman’s Pleas Not to Abort Baby

A viral video posted to social media on Friday shows a man and woman who professed to be Christians declining a woman’s pleas not to abort their baby, stating that the child would interfere with their plans and that they had “prayed about” the matter.

While the background behind the video, such as the location of the recording, has not been divulged, the footage captures the nearly seven-minute conversation between the young couple and a woman named Kate.

“You guys aren’t here for an abortion, are you?” called out Kate, who stood on the sidewalk to help abortion-minded women turn from murder.

“I am not ready to become a mom,” the young woman responded. “I’ve got so many plans to do and I feel like a child [myself] right now.”

“I totally understand that, but I need to tell you the truth that you already are a mom,” Kate explained. “It’s too late for that. You already have a human child in your womb that’s just as valuable and just as human as you are. And so, what you’re about to do is not to undo that choice, but to kill that human.”

The woman remarked that what she does is her own business. Kate asked if it would likewise be her own business if she killed her one-year-old because the child interfered with her plans. The woman opined that such a situation would be different because the child was already born and the mother had an emotional bond with the infant. She stated that she doesn’t have an emotional connection with her child “at this point.”

Kate warned the young woman that she was about to do something she could never undo.

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“Just because your son or daughter is really, really small and you can’t see him, and he’s really weak and defenseless right now, doesn’t make it less terrible to murder him than if he were older, or you could see him. He doesn’t change from a non-baby to a baby as he’s born,” she explained.

The father of the child then chimed into the discussion.

“We understand that,” he said. “We’ve sat and talked about this and prayed about it, thought about it.”

“So, you guys are Christians? You’re followers of Jesus Christ?” Kate asked.

“Yes,” the father replied. “And unfortunately, we’ve got ourselves into this situation … and it’s not like we want to do this, but it’s something we feel like we have to [do].”

Kate explained that there was no circumstance that warranted killing their son or daughter.

“You’re going to have to stand before God and give an account for yourself, and He’s going to say, ‘I sent someone to warn you and you killed your son or daughter anyway.’ Please don’t do this,” she pleaded.

“I know that this seems inconvenient, that you have a lot of plans, but I promise you doing the right thing and being faithful to God and being a good mother and father is better, and will result in a good life for you [better] than whatever you have planned that you feel you have to get rid of this child for,” Kate added.

She reiterated that killing a baby in the womb is no different than murdering them outside of the womb because they are inconvenient.

“I understand, but unfortunately, we’ve made our decision,” the father stated.

As Kate continued to plead with the man to take care of both mother and child, he repeated that the two had already made up their minds.

“I get it. And I have my thought process and I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s kind of what I’m doing,” he said.

“So why would you do something you know is wrong?” Kate asked.

“Because I’m a human and I make mistakes,” the father answered.

Kate then warned the couple that they were not simply making a mistake, but intentionally doing what they know is wrong.

“No, no, no. Making mistakes is not intentional. You’re about to intentionally sin against God and against this child,” she said. “That’s rebellion. That’s blasphemy against your Creator.”

“I understand,” the father replied.

He advised that the two would think about it and consider their options. Kate said she was not sure that was so, and that it seemed that the two had their heart set on abortion.

“I’m trying to persuade you not to even go into this place,” she explained.

“You won’t,” the woman replied forthrightly. “I do not want this child. I didn’t even want it when I found out that I was pregnant. So, if you can continue to tell me that I’m making a bad mistake, I’ll make that choice…”

“It’s not just a bad mistake. It’s murder,” Kate noted.

“I understand,” the woman replied.

Kate again warned that the couple will have to give an account before God for killing their son or daughter.

“Then I can take that sin,” the woman asserted.

“No, you can’t, ma’am,” Kate answered.

“I don’t care,” the woman bluntly admitted.

“Why don’t you care?” Kate asked. “You guys say you’re followers of Jesus Christ, but you don’t care about innocent children?

“Yes, we are,” the father replied. “We understand.”

He then asserted that all sin is equal.

“Ma’am, I will take your child if you don’t want it,” Kate pleaded as the two began to walk away.

“I don’t want to go through the process,” the woman called out.

Kate continued to urge the couple to love their son or daughter as his or her parents, but the two continued on their way and proceeded to enter the abortion facility. It is not known what happened after that point.

The video had received over 135,000 views as of press time.

1 John 5:3 reads, “For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous.”


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  • bowie1

    Many think they can have an abortion now and try for a child later on…but they may find out this would have been an only child, and thus any hopes for children in future could be dashed.

    • vicnicholls

      I hope you don’t use that on anyone. That kind of statement, without scientific evidence, is why I get so much flak about being a Christian. In a nutshell, rebellion from God is just that, state that. Any other emotional plea is not going to work on the non saved. The allegiance is not to God, Christ.

      • Pam Delaney

        We get flack about being Christian because the world hates us as they hated Christ Jesus. They know they live in sin and they don’t like to be reminded of it. We are not better than our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. (John 15:20 Matt 10:22 etc etc)

        • vicnicholls

          You get flak because that argument has nothing to do with the Bible. It has no basis in science either. The reason I get flak is because people use arguments like that have no basis in the Bible. Try to convert them, fine but don’t expect that sort of argument of guilt or regret is going to work with people who don’t truly feel guit or regret for sin. Any sin. Does that make sense? If you are not a Christian, why bother feeling guilty for what happens later on? They can say we can adopt now, gays and singles can do it. That’s what you are missing.

          • Pam Delaney

            Well, Christ Jesus tells us over and over that we will be hated. because we are not of the world. You can’t convert anyone unless God’s hand in it. People love the darkness. They like their sin and they don’t want to be reminded about it. Being honest isn’t self-righteous. I have no worth outside of Christ Jesus. NONE are righteous, no not one, it is said. Me saying that I am a Christian does not mean I am better than anyone…. it means that I am a sinner in need of a Savior. Christ Jesus is my Lord and Savior. In the end, that’s all that matters…you either trust in Christ Jesus or you don’t. You have a choice….on this side of the dirt. There is no redemption after death, according to the Bible.

          • vicnicholls

            Since when does the Bible say you will be hated only for Christ and not for the lack of logic and inability to use His creation (science) handled correctly? You have to be able to work all the logic together (God is the God of logic). Expecting people who don’t know repentance and guilt for sin (these are unsaved people, remember?) and think it works for abortion ONLY flies in the face of logic. Go explain how that works with your answers. The Bible is interpreted consistently across all its items.

            It is incredible how people on here are not able to rightly divide the Word of God. Do you go to churches where the Word is exegeted? Careful exegesis? Does your pastor/preacher sound like John MacArthur or Joel Osteen? If it is the latter, maybe you need to reconsider. II Timothy 2:14-15. Emphasis on rightly.

          • Pam Delaney

            Please do enlighten us on the correct handling of abortions.

        • rkumar167

          Most people don’t hate Jesus, even if they don’t love or worship him the way you and I do. But they often find his most vocal followers to be a bit self-righteous. Unfortunately I find the same to be true.

          • LynnRH

            Boy……so many people LOVE to throw the word self-righteous around. When you are only giving people what God says in the Bible you aren’t being self-righteous. You are trying to show other His righteousness. But if anyone has a problem with that they can take it up with Him when they see Him face to face.

      • Scott Davenport

        I love getting flak about loving my savior and being a Christian…. 🙂 It means he’s using me…and he’s very real… .:) If you others even had a clue about what your missing….and I was where you are once, by choice…and I was an absolute idiot….

        • TruthvLIes

          Someone famous and I can’t remember who said if you are not being persecuted there is something wrong with your christianity.

          • rkumar167

            But true Christians also should not have a persecution complex, nor should they engage in dissension or go around looking for fights to pick. In a free society, Christians don’t need the siege mentality or persecution complex. If you want to see Christians who are persecuted, look at Iraq and Egypt.

          • LynnRH

            To me it looks like there is a lot of “fight-picking” going on around here.

          • rkumar167

            But some openly and proudly acknowledge that they’re spoiling for a fight. It’s unfortunate because you could spend less time creating culture wars and more of your time, faith, and energy sharing the Gospels and fishing for souls. My Lord has answered my prayers and a Sunni refugee from Syria whom I’ve been sharing my experiences with has told me today that she wants to accept Yeshua al-Masih (Jesus Christ) as her Lord and Savior! I’ve only been a solid Christian for four weeks and she could feel the change in me and wants to join me on my journey of faith and healing! Perhaps you could do less fighting and more sowing and reaping salvation. Witnessing people coming to Jesus is easy when you pray, live a life filled with the Holy Spirit, are patient, and don’t make others feel hated and excluded, instead showing them the love that Allah/flying spaghetti monster doesn’t give them but Christ does. I certainly wouldn’t have gotten the same results if I had insulted Muhammad or burned the Quran from the beginning. Perhaps you could apply the same principles to your anti-abortion crusade by being more understanding.

          • LynnRH

            I understand that life and death of any human being is God’s business only. That’s what I understand according to His Holy Word. That is what I share. And as I’ve mentioned before anyone has the right to take it or leave it. I have my opinion and you are welcomed to yours. Again……we need to agree to disagree.

            Not sure if you meant me or not but in your statement above, “some openly and proudly acknowledge that they’re spoiling for a fight” but if you did mean me I don’t remember stating I was openly and proudly acknowledging I was spoiling for a fight. Since I didn’t make that statement anywhere i’m assuming you were talking about someone else.

          • rkumar167

            You were *not* the one who was spoiling for a fight. I’m sorry if I gave that impression. Someone else said something like “you’re not a good Christian unless you’re persecuted.” Such people who start all these culture wars over everything from abortion to homosexuality to Christmas but then purport to be persecuted like Jesus and the apostles when they don’t get their way legislated are not always in the right in my opinion though.

          • LynnRH

            And they are not always wrong in the way they feel about it either. This is a Christian website with articles that have to do with the cultural war topics that many Christians feel strongly about. We have been given permission by the owners of the website to have discussions with each other on these topics that they post. Everybody has their own thoughts, feelings, opinions about them.

          • TruthvLIes

            I think you will find that the anti-God secularists are the ones that started the cultural wars, primarily by implying if you don’t agree with them you don’t have the right to speak.

          • Annabelle Lee

            Seems to me you do a whole lot of talking about yourself, this article had NOTHING to do with YOU!! Please stay on topic, and stop all the posts about you!!

          • LynnRH

            Excuse me Annabelle but my thoughts, opinions, feelings on this or any other topic on the Website has every bit as much right to be posted as anyone else’s. Sorry you feel the way you do about it. It’s not likely to change my mind in anyway, shape or form. But again, sorry you feel that way.

          • TruthvLIes

            The people that pick the fights are those who don’t like christian or christianity and want to get God out of the equation.

            Top of the list is homosexuals and atheists who are never happy unless they are dragging christians before the courts.

            And as I have made an in depth study of christians who are persecuted and support christian organization financially who help persecuted christians I am fully aware of what a persecuted christian is.

      • rkumar167

        Not true. Most non-Christians will *not* listen to a theological argument, true enough. But believe it or not, non-Christians are human beings and have emotions. Many atheists I know are far more warm and empathetic than many of the Christians on this thread.

        • TruthvLIes

          Atheists are always warm and sympathetic if you agree with them. Not so if you do something they do not like. They will have you up before the courts before you can say Jack Robinson.

        • LynnRH

          I think most of us know that non-Christians are human beings and have emotions. And I think all of us have run into a few atheists in their life and found some that are warm and empathetic. What a low-blow! Thanks. You sound like you can be just has hateful as some of those you accuse. We just need to agree to disagree. God will get us straightened out on these issues when we see Him.

          • rkumar167

            Somebody said that no emotional pleas or ethical arguments could work with atheists, thus implying that atheists are devoid of both, which they’re not. They may be not be ready to receive God but they’re not necessarily devoid of human decency and empathy. Believe it or not, your human stories of personal tragedy are the things you should share with them because it makes you more relatable than either a religion they don’t believe in or a science that isn’t quite as concrete as Newtonian physics.

          • LynnRH

            But I don’t think I was the one that said that atheists were devoid of human decency and empathy. But anyway…….
            and as far as “Believe it or not, your human stories of personal tragedy are the things you should share with them”, please as I said earlier in a post we should agree to disagree and that will free you up to share yours with them too.

          • rkumar167

            You didn’t say that atheists lack these things and I never said you did. But someone else very strongly implied that they do. Don’t give me this “agree to disagree” nonsense. You guys wouldn’t be harassing, filming, and publicly shaming this couple if you did that, and your tone would be very different. Very few members of the “pro-life” movement agree to disagree or live and let live, and you’re certainly not one of them.

          • LynnRH

            We definitely do disagree with some things, right? I mean I think that’s been a little obvious. But we, in America, do have the right to disagree with each other. Not with God but we can disagree with each other.

            And who is the “You guys” in your comment above that is doing the harassing, filming, and publicly shaming this couple? I don’t think I was anymore responsible for that article than you are. I don’t own any news media. I was simply making my opinions known just like you have been. My tone about it is that it is a sin to murder (according to God). What? Am I not suppose to agree with God?

            And yes I AM alright with agreeing to disagree. I do know everyone has the right to choose God’s way or not. To follow God’s Word or not. I’m not forcing anyone to do it.

          • rkumar167

            Sister Lynn, I must ask you a serious question on a slightly different topic. Do you believe in the existence of demons and the validity of deliverance prayers. Although I never thought myself haunted by a demon, I felt a lot of resistance as my pastor and I cleansed and blessed my house. And though I never thought of myself as possessed, a deliverance and my own spiritual detox and prayer has reduced my anxiety markedly and squelched my nightmares. The first few times I tried to say the Lord’s Prayer and Nicene Creed, I said them backwards and felt like something malevolently spiritual didn’t want me to connect with God. I’m certain of it’s existence.

            The reason I’m asking is because my pastor told me that abortion clinics, because of the sheer number being performed, can attract demons and upset the spiritual balance of the whole area. It has me worried. Do you believe that this is true. Please give me an honest answer and please don’t be frustrated in your tone. I really want to know.

          • LynnRH

            I’m not that familiar with the Catholic religion. I am a Baptist. So i’m not familiar with all the things like cleansing and blessing of a house. But oh yes I do believe in the existence of demons and spiritual warfare. God speaks of it in His Holy Word.

          • rkumar167

            Actually I’ve been attending a Bible Church, though I love Catholics because they are also Christians. We didn’t do a Catholic exorcism. It was my Bible Church pastor doing Bible based deliverance prayer and cleansing.

          • rkumar167

            Do you believe that it’s possible for abortions to attract demons? That would be disturbing to me to say the least.

          • LynnRH

            I so totally DO believe that abortions attract demons.

          • rkumar167

            Well I still can’t support banning abortion because as a recipient of forced psychiatric ‘treatment,’ I despise all forms of coercion. And psychiatric hospitalization, though not technically a form of imprisonment, involves extreme physical, chemical, mental, social, legal, psychological, financial, and spiritual coercion. They tell you that it’s for your “benefit” and that there’s no place more free than with them and that any indignation on my part merely evinces lack of “insight.” But I know the truth. We all saw it with Justina Pelletier’s torture. I don’t want to use any forms of coercion on desperate women, not even shaming like we saw in this video. But I certainly won’t be as voiciferously in favor of abortion as before and I may insist that any future donations to PP go for things like women’s health screenings rather than abortions. I don’t want to upset the spiritual balance of the world. But I hope you understand why I feel that I can’t legislate my fear of demons on women. Hell I’d love to destroy and outlaw all Ouija boards and pentagrams but I can’t!

          • LynnRH

            Of course as far as us human beings here on the earth go, you are definitely welcomed to your own feelings and opinions on matters. And since we are all just human beings i’m sure we are ALL wrong in some areas of our thinking. The One Who will have the final say-so in ALL things is our Creator God. And as long as you have accepted the Lord Jesus as your Savior and Lord of your life His precious blood is covering you and even all of those ways that we think we are sooooo right about and may be soooo wrong about.

          • LynnRH

            In addition to my comment above:
            Until we make it into Heaven we just can not be perfect even when we want to be because we LOVE Him and we may really, really, really try hard to be as perfect as we can. God knew this and that is why He sent His Son Jesus. When we accept Jesus as our Savior and Lord of our life God sees us only through the blood covering us which cleanses us of all unrighteousness. Halleluiah! Give Him all the praise and glory!!!!!

          • rkumar167

            Thank you so much for your kind words, sister Lynn! God bless you! You have no idea how difficult it is sometimes to be hated by your non-believing family for being a believer and also to be excluded by fellow Christians for having my own experiences that have shaped who I am and made me a see certain issues a bit differently than they do.

          • TruthvLIes

            Of course abortion attracts demons as they thrive on death, stealing and destroying.

            You will find that many women who have had an abortion have left the clinic possessed with a spirit of death. That is why they are still grieving 20 years later.

  • JPT

    God doesn’t abandon pregnancies which end with accident or malady; surely He has plans for those which end in abortion.

    1) 100% of abortees enter Heaven
    2) The majority of persons born, do not make it to Heaven
    3) Therefore, anti-choicers are doing Satan’s work for him

    • Pam Delaney

      So you say abort them all so they can go to Heaven? Show me some verses that say all aborted babies go to Heaven please?

      • Tim Matter

        Show me where JPT is wrong.
        Point (1) is debatable. I’m not sure if you believe aborted babies go to heaven or not.
        But about point (2) Jesus was clear in the “wide path/ narrow path” parable that most people will choose the wide path that leads to destruction, so over 50% of people will go to hell.
        The conclusion seems to be that getting aborted guarantees eternity in heaven, but not getting aborted results in over 50% of those babies “saved” from abortion ending up with their souls burning in hell forever.
        You might say that if someone is aborted they will miss out on having a happy life, but Jesus addressed that also.
        “For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? For what will a man give in exchange for his soul?”

        • LynnRH

          This is God’s business NOT ours!

          • Tim Matter

            It’s God’s business, but our actions could affect what God decides about the soul of the person we are discussing. Where do you believe the souls of innocent children go?

          • LynnRH

            I do believe they go to Heaven. But I also believe God’s big enough to handle the death or the progressive life until birth of an infant all by himself. He doesn’t need to rely on us to do it. Anyway as I said in one of my above comments we will see who is right when we see Him face to face. You won’t be changing my mind. Only He’s allowed to do that. He is Lord you are not.

        • Amy Hodgkinson

          But what of those that the aborted babies could have saved? You don’t know what plans God had for them or could have used them for. Wouldn’t it be far better for the child to be born and to save many through following God then for them to be aborted and only themselves be saved? (assuming their age would make them unaccountable for anything)

    • Scott Davenport

      Let me know how that stupid logic works when standing before God…..and make sure you’re wearing that smug look……..

      • rkumar167

        I will let God judge that. You seem pretty self-righteous and smug yourself. And I’d love to see what logic the sociopath in the Oval Office you voted for will use when he stands before God. Never mind, he can’t form a complete thought or speak in a complete sentence so it may not matter.

      • JPT

        William Lane Craig, widely-known to apologists (though, curiously, often unknown to lay Christians) uses that very logic in his theodicy defense of slain children and fetuses, in Numbers(iirc).

        So, perhaps the commandment should more-accurately read “Thou shalt not kill…unless told to do so by someone who claims to have spoken with God”

        Let me know how that stupid logic works when standing before God…

        If scripture were 100% the work of ancient humans, what would its proponents have to say to impel its belief?

    • NCOriolesFan

      Anti-choicers, as you call Pro-Lifers, are doing Satan’s work? Explain that.

    • LynnRH

      And God does expect the Christians to stand and fight against evil. And their is LOTS of that in our God-forsaken world today! one of those evils is the governmental law that allows for the murder of the unborn. Like they should have authority over God’s business to give and take away. LOL

      • JPT

        So, what are you doing typing? Get out there.

        • LynnRH

          I do my share. Don’t you worry about that. You just take care of your end of it. And part of fighting the evils is also having these discussions with people who have differing ideas on matters. You never know when you might say something that a person hasn’t ever thought of that way before. There’s been many of times in my life where I had my own opinion about something only to discover in God’s Word I was sooooo wrong. Well some might want to argue with Him over that but I never have been one that wants to. I think that could get quite ugly.

          • JPT

            Yes, changing hearts is preferable to force.

            In that regard, since most any near-adult can identify Christian clergies’ position on elective abortion, we can say “mission accomplished”.

            If anti-choicers insist on making abortion illegal or unavailable, is it morally incumbent upon them to do more than speak on the matter — should they be willing to make personal sacrificies, such as losing their homes or life savings, for example?

          • LynnRH

            Sorry, i’m not really clear on what you are asking?

      • rkumar167

        If God commands you to fight evil, then you should be fighting ISIS and Trump.

        • TruthvLIes

          What a silly comment. There are thousands of sources of evil in this world and ALL of them need addressing, not just those that cause you ideological grief.

          • rkumar167

            So ISIS is my “ideological grief” but abortion is the definition of evil? Tell that to the Christians of Iraq and Syria.

          • TruthvLIes

            I never said abortion is the definition of evil. You did. More nonsensical hyperbole.

  • Maxwell Edison

    Don’t call yourself a Christian if you think abortion is okay, especially for yourself. There are multiple verses of scripture that indicate how much God values life so there is no excuse to kill your unborn child.

    As in NONE.

    It’s murder.

    Get it?

    • Truth Teller

      AMEN

    • rkumar167

      I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. My family has disowned me for accepting Christ and vowing to share the Gospels with Muslims and my family in India and the US. I also believe that it is not anyone’s right to legislate control over a woman’s womb. The Bible says almost nothing about abortion, yet you make it the central tenet of the faith and purport to know that Jesus doesn’t accept me because I refuse to agree with *your* politics on one narrow issue. I will not be discouraged however, by your hypocrisy, sectarianism, and dissension. I am a believer in Christ, and I am also opposed to forcing women to bear their rapists’ children so that they can be shot with the guns and poisoned with the mercury pollution you allow. I don’t care what your politics are. There are plenty of Trump supporters in my Bible study and I’m fine with it. But you have no business denying the Gospel of Christ to anyone. Jesus died for everyone.

      • LynnRH

        I don’t know how anyone can feel okay with abortion when they have become believers in Christ. If God created us human beings and He also puts a soul into that human being how do we have the right to kill it because it’s an inconvenience, or really any reason at all. even with rape and incest or for a mothers health I don’t believe we have the right to end the life and soul that God created. We don’t know why bad things happen except that this world is evil. But God did say that He will make good come from evil. Who knows……..perhaps the child born from a woman who was a victim of incest would be just the one that is able to bring many, many, many of the lost to Christ. What a blessing this person would be. But if he had been killed before he was born because of the shame, inconvenience, or whatever it caused the mother the child would never have had a chance to be the blessing God created him/her to be.

        • LynnRH

          By the way…….God giveth and only God should take away. We don’t need to make His decisions for Him. He can handle it.

        • Jeff Kelly

          Very well said Lynn. I agree with you 100%.

      • NCOriolesFan

        If Mary had aborted Jesus there would be no ______mas. Get it. Now you can re-think your attitude toward abortion.

        • rkumar167

          Mary wouldn’t have aborted Jesus. She was a saint, the only non-divine human who never sinned and therefore wouldn’t have aborted. Christ is Lord. She wouldn’t have done it and God wouldn’t have allowed it. Therefore your point is moot and it doesn’t change my opinion.

          • vicnicholls

            Huh? For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23. Thru one man sin entered the world and
            death spread to all men. Romans 5:12. She said in Luke 1:46/47 that she rejoiced in God *my Savior*.

            She got an angel in Luke 1:31 telling her she was pregnant. Verse 38 and she said ok. They didn’t have RU-486 back then and after an encounter like that, of course she is going to say yes.

          • Dean Gagne

            mary was a sinner ; she was not sinless

          • NCOriolesFan

            Keyword is “If.”

      • Maxwell Edison

        The Bible says almost nothing about abortion, yet you make it the central tenet of the faith and purport to know that Jesus doesn’t accept me because I refuse to agree with *your* politics on one narrow issue.

        Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Jeremiah 1:5 KJV

        For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. (Psalms 139:15 KJV)

        Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews. (Job 10:11 KJV)

        But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. (Matthew 10:30 KJV)

        One gets the impression God considers us of His creation and precious. He’d never condone abortion.

        I am a believer in Christ, and I am also opposed to forcing women to bear their rapists’ children

        Of course: Let’s punish a baby with death because of how they were conceived. That is so obscene there are no words for it.

        Calling (actual) Christians hypocrites for not favoring such barbarism not only indicates you are most certainly not a Christian, but you are also bordering on blasphemy with such an attitude.

        • Tyson Greeley

          Are you trying for the “most obnoxious human being online” award or something? He allows one or two reasonable exceptions to being otherwise opposed to abortion, and you have the nerve to tell him he’s not a Christian? Who do you think you are?

          • TruthvLIes

            One could ask the question “why do you think you are” judging someone else.

        • rkumar167

          So-called Christians like Trump are pretty barbaric, yet you voted for him. Kick as many people away as you want. Even Carrie Underwood isn’t considered Christian enough for some of you because she doesn’t bash gays. Sit in your echo chamber and shout to yourself “I’m the only true Christian! Everyone is going to Hell except me!” But if people are turned away from Jesus because of what they see as your self-righteous attitude, you will have to answer for it in the end (though of course you will receive God’s undeserved grace, as will I). I’m not saying that you’re not a Christian. Only you and God know that, and I take you at your word that you are. I know that I am because I am moved to tears everytime I recite the Lord’s Prayer or Nicene Creed or I sing religious hymns or read from the Bible. It’s changed my life, healed my depression, and nourished my soul. I’ve been disowned by my family for it. My Lord knows that my faith is real, even if you can’t see it. You are entitled to your position on abortion. Most people in my church are against it and I respect that. I don’t agree, and while some of them may pray for my attitude to shift, explain their position to me, and hope that my stance evolves over time, none of them are kicking me out or denying that Christ died for me as much as he did for them. But there are thousands of issues, and the Gospels are number one, not abortion.

          By the way, yes it means something to me that the Bible says these things. But not all of them clearly discuss abortion or describe exactly when life begins. And none gives me the right to legislate over others.

          • Jeff Kelly

            very well said rkumar. I differ with you on the issue of abortion, but I appreciate what you have written. I am appalled at some of the hate and vileness of tone in many of these comments.

          • TruthvLIes

            Nothing compared to the vileness and hate that emanates from the homosexual agenda.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Homosexuals aren’t even being discussed here, why are you crowbarring in this unnecessary intolerance?

          • TruthvLIes

            It is known as perspective.

        • Terry Santos

          Look, everyone! An asshole!

          • Maxwell Edison

            Look, everyone! PantomimePrincessMargaret is suffering from such butthurt he created a brand new account just so he could use profanity and get banned AGAIN!

            FLAGGED!!!

          • Terry Santos

            Oh, fuck off.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Flagged for profanity.

          • Terry Santos

            Everything you post is profane, censorship boy.

          • Maxwell Edison

            You want a tissue? You don’t get to come into a Christian website and disrespect the decorum, rules, or Christians without consequences. You are not welcome here.

            Goodbye.

          • Terry Santos

            You need a box of fucking tissues. You can’t handle anything being posted here that points out how full of shit you are so you flag, whine, cry, stamp your little feet until people accept the fascistic brand of Christianity you peddle. You make me sick.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Flagged for profanity.

          • Terry Santos

            Who give a shit? I can change my name and come back.

          • Maxwell Edison

            And unless you behave you’ll be flagged over and over again. Like right now, again for profanity.

          • Terry Santos

            All I care about is you reading me calling you out for being a hypocrite, a hater, a liar, and an asshole. The fact you have responded is all I need for satisfaction. If you don’t like it, there’s fuck all you can do about it.

          • Maxwell Edison

            I’m actually glad I am able to live rent free in your head. But I otherwise couldn’t care less.

            And flagged for profanity.

          • Terry Santos

            You’re an obnoxious troll, and you’re full of shit. End of.

          • Maxwell Edison

            I didn’t come to this site. You did. Never forget that.

            Flagged for profanity.

          • Terry Santos

            You can’t stop other people from coming here and commenting, idiot child.

          • Maxwell Edison

            You need to remove Just Don’t Get It cereal from your diet.

          • Terry Santos

            If you’re going to piss and moan about everything people who disagree with you write to the point where you have to flag it, you’re a pathetic insect.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Don’t involve me in your silly drama please, Matthew. You flagged my comment, and it was removed. Congratulations. Think of all the people you have saved from reading it.

          • Maxwell Edison

            You weren’t banned? Shameful.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I haven’t given anyone any reason to ban me. Disagreeing with you isn’t against the rules.

          • rkumar167

            You’re not allowed to criticize the brusque or mean attitude of any self-professed Christians on this thread. They equate it with being anti-Christian and will delete your comments. It’s no wonder these people can’t see the humanity of those who disagree with them on anything. They never interact with them or hear their perspectives.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I just have to wonder at the mind that wants to flag and delete everything. That’s really repugnant to me…where you fear disagreement so much that you feel the need to have it censored away so people can’t decide for themselves what they think about it.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        my … what a ball of confusion and idolatry ……….

        • rkumar167

          What idolatry? What idols am I worshipping? It almost seems like some people venerate the fetus more than the cross. That’s the confusing part. Honestly I need to leave this discussion. Christ is wonderful, and so is my church and Bible study group. But some of His followers on the internet are just mean, brusque, and condescending people. It’s very spiritually draining and it’s no wonder millennials are leaving churches in droves. It’s just sad because it hurts both us and the church when we do.

          • TruthvLIes

            Another silly comment just to score points. The latest surveys show that millenials are more against abortion than for it so they will not be leaving churches that oppose abortion.

          • rkumar167

            They may be more against abortion but they are also far less religious. Some may have to do with secular influences, but I’m convinced that some has to do with the attitude of many vocal Christians.

          • LynnRH

            Vocal Christians don’t appear to have any worse of an attitude than the non-Christians. I’m convinced of that.

          • TruthvLIes

            So typical of those who have an ideology based on lies which the pro-aborts do, they have to shout and swear and and bully those who deal in the truth to silence them in case they are shown up to be the charlatans they are.

          • LynnRH

            Just because some people believe that only God has the right to end an unborn babies life doesn’t mean we are just plain mean, brusque and condescending people. But of course those that think the life of an unborn should belong to the parents, or mother instead of the Creator will have a problem with that. We will just have to see what He says when we are face to face with Him. Personally, I would rather err on the side of very conservative caution and then when I see Him find out I was wrong about my stance on abortion. At least I wouldn’t have any blood on my hands. Now if my stance was that abortion should be a right to choose and then He tells me I was soooooo wrong, there i’d be with blood ALL OVER ME! OMGosh! But to each his own………you do what you want to. But It won’t change my mind on it.

          • rkumar167

            My sister,

            Brusqueness and condescension have nothing to do with your views or beliefs and everything to do with how you treat and speak to people. I give a heartfelt testimony of my faith but explain that I disagree with the right wing politics and I’m called a “hot mess of idolatry and confusion” and you say “we’re with you” to the guy who said it. While I’m certainly growing in my faith, that’s unfair and hurtful. Jeff Kelly is as fervently anti-abortion as you are but I don’t call him brusque, self-righteous, or condescending for the simple fact that he isn’t. You may not win a lot of hearts and minds until you really empathize with those who disagree with you. I can empathize with atheists because I know what it’s like to not be able to believe in something I can’t see or confirm through empirical, scientific evidence. It took time and heartbreak for the spiritual side to develop. It also helped that many of the Christians I knew in life were much kinder, more welcoming, more willing to teach instead of condemn, and more willing to show patience rather than be right or demand conformity than those on this site. Sadly, the internet is a nasty place that brings out the worst in people. If you saw my eyes and smile, heard the warmth and sincerity in my voice, felt the love in my handshakes and hugs, or tasted the love and hospitality in the dinner I made you in real life, you guys wouldn’t call me unchristian or a mess of confusion and idolatry. And I wouldn’t call you self-righteous or brusque. It’s sad what internet anonymity does to people. But remember that we’re talking to real people.

          • LynnRH

            When I give my opinions, thoughts, feelings on topics that differs from yours I don’t know how that is any more brusque or condescending than you are when you give us your opinions, thoughts, feelings on a topic. I don’t know how speaking about my opinions, thoughts, feelings on a topic makes me anymore self-righious, or condemning than you are when you express yourself on this website. And I don’t feel that I have been “demanding conformity” on this website. I have repeatedly stated on this website that anyone is welcomed to believe what they want to believe. As to what I say, a person can take it or not. Totally their choice. Not forcing anything on anybody. Where ever I can I try to add scripture to back up what I say. People can take that or leave it as well. I’m not going to try to force it on anyone. But I do have the right to speak my piece on this website as much as you or anyone else does.

          • TruthvLIes

            Good for you Lynn. Par for the course when the anti God brigade are called to task for being who they are and what they say but they don’t mind dishing it out to us.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “not anyone’s right to legislate control over a woman’s womb”

            saying that is saying that it is the womans sole domain ….. and it is not …. the body inside her body is not her body to do with as she pleases …….. and that is idolatry …………..

          • Terry Santos

            No, idolatry is when something is being worshiped and that isn’t happening here.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … carving out a part of a persons being and saying God has no dominion over it ….. is idolatry …………… it is worship of SELF over God …. it is worship of the CREATURE and NOT the Creator ………

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            That’s an incorrect definition of idolatry. Merriam-Webster says this:

            1. the worship of a physical object as a god

            2. immoderate attachment or devotion to something

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so more TESTIMONY ….. that you have said is NOT VALID ….. ignored ………….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No, it’s a simple dictionary definition. If you want people to understand you, you must follow it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … but what it is NOT ….. is the BIBLICAL definition of IDOLATRY ….. which is ….

            Romans
            1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
            1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            That passage does not mention idolatry. If the Bible defined idolatry that way, that’s how it would appear in the dictionary, but it doesn’t. The dictionary’s definition is the correct wrong, you are in error.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            see …. you do not know what you are reading …… and while your “definition” is curious …… it has nothing to do with this discussion ……… as this is a CHRISTIAN website for discussing things CHRISTIAN … by CHRISTIANS …… of which you aint ….. that is what applies here ……….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            You said “carving out a part of a persons being and saying God has no dominion over it is idolatry”, but that neither matches the dictionary definition of idolatry nor the verses from Romans you quoted. You are not giving a Christian definition.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            blah, blah, woof, woof ……. saying a woman has dominion over her body or part of her body ….. or any man for that matter ……. is worshiping themselves (the creature) and not the Creator …… and IS the definition ….. the Christian definition ……….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No it isn’t. I have dominion over my house but I don’t worship it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God has dominion over all ….. to exclude anything from Him is idolatry ………

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No, that’s not what idolatry means either. Idolatry means worshiping something as an idol. And that’s all it means.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right ….. and when you exclude God …. and say this is not His it is mine ….. and he has no control over it …. that is IDOLATRY ……….. it is worship of the created and not the Creator …….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No, that is not idolatry because there is nothing being worshiped.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            GOD is NOT being worshipped ….. and nature abhors a vacuum …… so anything can and will take its place ….. even on a rotating basis ….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Correct, God is not being worshiped. But neither is anything else. If anything else was, you’d have idolatry.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they appetite becomes god ………. that is what is worshiped ….. the self … the convenience of living ….. and the death of others does not …… thats is why they want to kill children ….. because they are not “wanted” ……….. their idolatry is their own life ………

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No one worships their appetite, nor the convenience of living. People living for themselves are selfish, they’re not idolaters. If they worshiped themselves they’d start religious cults and be the center of them. As for where you got this stuff about killing children, I can’t begin to guess so I won’t try.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            YUP …. they surely do …. it is what drives their every moment ………

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            You do go to some bizarre extremes when looking to demonize someone for not believing as you do.No one thinks that way, and if they did, it still would not be idolatry.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have not “demonized” anyone …. i have stated the biblical FACTS ………. that TRUTH and TESTIMONY that you REJECT ….. and so your OPINION on the matter is worthless ……… you have no OBJECTIVE MORALITY to even make such a statement ………. since you have no OBJECTIVE MORALITY ….. even if i did as you say ……….. SO WHAT ……….. you are in no position to make any sound judgement of it ………..

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            That’s a lot of pointless attacking on your part, all I have done is correctly point out to you that none of what you describe can be called idolatry which is a very specific practice and not something you accuse people of doing when they value their material possessions.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            same response ….. rinse and repeat ………..

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Yes, of course. I think that says more about you than you intended.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            rinse and repeat ….. you are boring ………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Ezekiel
            14:2 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
            14:3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
            14:4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;
            14:5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols.
            14:6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations.

          • LynnRH

            It’s okay Amos. I and i’m sure many others are with ya. You don’t have to try to prove anything with us.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Actually it would be nice if he showed that he knew what idolatry meant, because he didn’t define it the way a Christian would, and his definition doesn’t match the dictionary’s definition either.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “What idolatry? What idols am I worshipping?”

            your “free will” …………

          • LynnRH

            You nailed it Amos! Free will instead of God’s will is a great way to explain idolatry.

          • jael2

            Didn’t Jesus say to love our neighbors more than ourselves?

            Children being ripped from their mother’s wombs are our neighbors. They are the “least of these” that Jesus spoke of.

            Where is your compassion for your preborn neighbor?

          • truthwriter99

            Where is your compassion for anything but your own self-righteousness?

          • LynnRH

            not self-righteousness but God’s righteousness.

      • jael2

        So sad to hear that someone from India is so liberal minded regarding the Gospel of Christ. Especially, since there have been so many martyrs in your nation who died preaching the true gospel.

        Also, sad that you have been indoctrinated with the false gospel that has pervaded the American “church”.

        Abortion will always be murder in the eyes of a Holy God. It’s the violation of the sixth commandment: “Thou shall not murder”.

        Your controversy is not with man but with God.

        Repent!

        • rkumar167

          The problem is that so many Christians are so mean, brusque, hateful, and self-righteous, and this thread proves it. You literally want to drive everyone away from Jesus and the Gospel. My argument is with nasty humans, not with God. I know that this comment will be deleted because all comments criticizing the vile and brusque behavior of those on this thread are deleted.

          By the way, the Gospel is neither liberal nor conservative. Saying Jesus died for everyone is not a “liberal interpretation” of the Gospel. It’s simply the Gospel.

          • jael2

            Jesus stated that not everyone who called Him Lord would enter into the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of His Father. Murdering your child by premeditation is most certainly not the will of God. It’s completely contrary to His law.

            Jesus said the road to life eternal was narrow, and the broad road leads to destruction ( See Matthew 7).

            Do you understand that the true Gospel ( believe, repent, and forsake sin) is a rock of offense? Jesus said he didn’t come to bring peace but a sword.

            The Gospel is very divisive. Particularly among those who have no desire to obey it.

          • rkumar167

            Well we certainly disagree there. I believe that Jesus came especially to save the imperfect people. And I believe that he is love and peace, not a sword. I felt so much anger towards my sister for many years. Then I read in the First Book of John that “he who hates his brother but claims to love Jesus is a liar.” I cried for 20 minutes and then realized that I must let my anger go and work on a plan of reconciliation. I repent for hating my sister all these years, regardless of how she and her husband treated me, and for innumerable other sins. But I do NOT repent for refusing to believe that my Lord is a sword of discord and hatred between us, because he isn’t. Ask the little Assyrian girl who forgave ISIS if she believes that. I honestly have found peace and healing through Jesus after extraordinary trauma in my life. I really am not spiritually well enough to hear your hellfire sermons of a cruel, punishing, and hateful God. This conversation needs to stop because its spiritually draining. I give up, you win, happy? I’m going to hell and so is everyone else except you. You are the only true Christians and you win.

    • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

      What a shame the government disagrees with you.

      • Maxwell Edison

        Don’t care. God doesn’t.

        • LynnRH

          Lol. That’s just what I was going to say but you beat me to it. God agrees and He is the only One that matters.

          • LadyInChrist♥ThankYouJesus

            Amen!

        • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

          Sure he does. And He probably hates all the exact same people you do, too.

          • TruthvLIes

            That is easy as Maxwell doesn’t hate anyone. The only hate around here is people like you that hate the truth but then that is par for the course.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I hate what you CALL the truth. I don’t hate the ACTUAL truth.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Then you don’t hate God, who IS the Actual Truth.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Let’s just say I don’t believe you’ve taken His message exactly the right way. You are a very angry person.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Watch your mouth.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You don’t find it a coincidence that you’ve created God in your exact image?

          • Maxwell Edison

            Flagged for trolling and blasphemy.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It is NOT. Your whole problem is you scream and flag first and don’t even take the time to understand. My point, which has sailed clear over your head, is that you are taking your own personal prejudices and trying to find ways to make it seem that God has the same exact opinion of it that you do.

    • Tyson Greeley

      If it was murder, people would be thrown in jail for it. They aren’t. So that makes you an idiot, and wrong as well.

      • LynnRH

        It is murder in God’s eyes so therefor also in Christian’s eyes because we need to have the same stance on anything that God does. If He created the human being and puts a soul into it do you really think we should have the right to kill it? Maxwell or anyone else with the same opinion is not an idiot. They just believe God is big enough to take care of His own business.

        • Terry Santos

          How do you know what God considers murder? Considering your Bible doesn’t mention it, I’d say you’re making things up.

      • TruthvLIes

        Another sanctimonious comment. God’s law is a higher law than man’s law so what man says is Ok does not necessarily mean that God is OK with it. When you are a truly born again christian, what the world says is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what God says. But you would not understand that as you are governed by man’s law when it suits you.

      • Maxwell Edison

        Go away, troll.

  • Scott Davenport

    I was like them with my ex wife at that age….I let society and friends convince me that abortion was the best bet as we weren’t married yet. Second pregnancy ended in miscarriage….marriage never survived that. Now at 57 I’m alone and no children that I long so much for….

    So, yeah…screw up like me, and live the miserable life I’ve lived for that lousy choice…. 🙁

    • DrIndica

      People make mistakes…move on, and make better choices. It’s narcissistic to continue to pile on the guilt over a poor choice.

    • rkumar167

      I’m sorry to hear about your loss as it must have been incredibly painful. But the solution to our mistakes isn’t necessarily to ban all reproductive freedoms for everyone. Just because something messes up our lives doesn’t mean that we should outlaw it for everyone else who benefits from it.

      • TruthvLIes

        Since when has murdering babies been reproductive freedom. I call it non reproductive bondage.

    • NCOriolesFan

      Find the nearest Cross, get on your knees and take your plea to God. You can be the most messed-up person on the planet and still be loved by God.

      • LynnRH

        absolutely!!!!. There’s no other God like Jehovah! As a matter of fact there is no other God. Lol.

    • Jeff Kelly

      Scott, I’m sorry to hear about this very same bad choice that you made. I’m not sure if you are a Christian or if you prayed to God for forgiveness, but if you are and you did, then God would have forgiven you. Do you feel forgiven by God? Do you accept and believe that God has forgiven you? So many of us pray to God for forgiveness for our sins, but cannot accept God’s forgiveness because we cannot forgive ourselves. God doesn’t want us to spend our lives in guilt and shame after he has forgiven us. God doesn’t punish us for our sins long after we have asked for forgiveness. God wants us to let it all go and live fruitfull lives after he has forgiven us. It’s long overdue that you address how you feel about this with God, talk with God and accept his forgiveness. If God can forgive us (and he does if we ask him to), we must accept that. So often, the real problem is that we haven’t forgiven ourselves because we just don’t believe that God has truly forgiven us. But he does. No matter who we are or what the sin was, as long as we have ask Him for forgiveness. I hope you can come to understand this, set your mind free, and live life from this moment forward in the way that God wants you to. God be with you.

  • TruthvLIes

    I don’t know what prayer means to this couple but I get a sense that it was not prayer but trying to justify their actions having the baby murdered.

    • Jeff Kelly

      Agreed Truth. Right now they are only thinking about the short term. Eventually, the long-term consequences will catch up with them. They will then have to endure much personal guilt and shame – if they are true Christians and understand biblical teachings concerning this issue.

  • NCOriolesFan

    I’m about to puke!

    • LadyInChrist♥ThankYouJesus

      Me too!

  • Jeff Kelly

    If these two are true Christians, this is a decision that they will regret for the rest of their lives. They may not now because they are in denial that the baby is a living person because they just don’t want any interruptions in their current life or lifestyle. But, in time, as the years pass, they will reflect upon the truth, and the truth will hit them very hard. They will eventually realize what they have done. There is a good chance that they will not even be together any longer when the truth hits them and they will have to face the truth alone. How they individually deal with that when it happens, no one knows. But, all of our decisions have consequences. So will theirs.

    • Brandy Johnson

      Well said Jeff. I’m glad you have taken a higher road and not placed yourself in God’s throne by judging them. We ALL SIN – even AFTER being saved – and this one is no different from any other in God’s eyes. God bless you. <3

      • Jeff Kelly

        Thank you Brandy.

        • rkumar167

          For once I’m really liking and even agreeing with the people I don’t agree with on this thread :-). I really appreciate your empathy and non-judging tone.

          • Jeff Kelly

            Thank you rkumar.

    • TruthvLIes

      And all the evidence suggests that the mother may suffer emotional stress for 20 years or more.

      • Jeff Kelly

        Agreed Truth. So often, many of us make decisions without considering the potential long-term consequences. Every decision we make, has potential long-term consequences – either good or bad.

  • Lydia Church

    They sound like cold hearted satanists to me. It does not matter that the child is ‘not convenient,’ that ‘they don’t have an emotional bond with the child yet,’ that they ‘can’t see him or her,’ or that ‘the child is not born yet,’ or anything else like that. It is a human life, and to end it is murder. The fact that they sound so cold about it, and calculating, and putting them SELVES and their PLANS above this child shows that they are no Christians at all, but serve Lucifer the devil!

    • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

      There are about ten million reasons a woman might have an abortion, and most of them are probably very unwelcome last resort options that are agonizing to her. We simply cannot speak on behalf of everyone in that situation and I find it cruel (and particularly un-Christian) to tell these people that they serve Lucifer.

      • Abortion is the murder of a baby. There is no excuse for that.

        • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

          No, it is the termination of a fetus. And what if giving birth puts the mother’s life at risk? Don’t say it doesn’t happen, there was a whole TV movie about it starring Henry Winkler.

          • Life begins at conception with mitosis and in this case it is a human life which is why aborting that life is the murder of a yet to be fully formed human being aka a baby.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Murder occurs when it’s a fully formed person who has emerged from the womb. You are using the word “murder” incorrectly.

          • So you just make up your own “facts” as you go? By doing so you may as well be admitting that I am right.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I’m not making up anything. I know what murder is. And I have the dictionary on my side.

          • No you don’t. If you murder a pregnant woman you can be charged with two counts of homicide.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            But if you have an abortion, you will never be charged with murder.

          • The only difference is abortion is murder sanctioned by the state.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It isn’t sanctioned. It isn’t murder and cannot be termed such if it is not a living breathing human being who has been born.

          • LynnRH

            It can be termed as murder by those of us who believe God when He said He created that life in his/hers mothers womb. And when you stand before the Lord God after your death He will tell you the same thing; and you won’t be able to argue about it.

            That unborn baby is a living human being even inside the mothers womb. They can suck their thumb, they can yawn, have hickups, smile, kick, their little heart beats, they have brain function. Just because they haven’t taken their first breath yet until they come out of the womb doesn’t mean they are not a living human being. You are soooooo fooling yourself.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No, I’m not fooling myself. I haven’t been in the abortion yes-no situation before. And the idea of having an abortion bothers me (surprise!). But I can only speak for myself and my own situation. I don’t know the situations of millions of women who are forced to make this decision. And you shouldn’t feel that your personal morality puts you in a position to make a decision based on someone you don’t know.

          • LynnRH

            My personal morality puts me in a position to side with God when He says “Thou shalt not kill.”

          • LynnRH

            Yea……something’s just so totally wrong with that picture. Shows you just how ignorant this world has become. murder a pregnant woman and you can be charged with two counts of homicide. But have an abortion (which kills the unborn) and it’s not called murder. Oh Jesus! Hurry back!!

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Well, you don’t do yourself any favors by starting from a position where anyone who has an abortion is a hateful, bloodthirsty monster. Do you know what the word “dilemma” means? It means having to choose between two unwelcome alternatives. There are many women out there who because of their situations have no choice but to terminate their pregnancies and it’s probably a heartbreaking decision which haunts them for years and years. The thing is, they are the ones in charge of their situations and the ones who ultimately have to make the decisions. Not you.

          • LynnRH

            Nope I’m not making their decisions that’s correct. But no they are not the ones in charge of their situations. God is. He has the right to take that baby’s life before it is ready to be born, no one else has that right. And I just hate it when someone puts words in my mouth such as, “anyone who has an abortion is a hateful, bloodthirsty monster.” I’ve known people personally who have had an abortion and I don’t consider them hateful, bloodthirsty monsters at all. I have known a murderer of another adult but I don’t consider them a hateful, bloodthirsty monster. All people make mistakes in this life. That’s why we need Jesus to cover our sins with His blood. But besides all of this……….abortion is still murder of an unborn baby. And God will clear all that up with you and everyone else the day you die and see Him face to face.

  • Lydia Church

    In addition to comment I left earlier:

    Uh, if they really prayed about it and bothered to wait for an answer and care what it was, they would have heard a loud and clear resounding… NO!
    It also is irrelevant that ‘she doesn’t want it,’ that does not justify murdering the baby. Cold butchers is all they are.

    • TruthvLIes

      Abortionists are nothing more than paid assassins.

  • Jeff Kelly

    What many women fail to understand when they decide to have an abortion, is that this is a medical procedure often performed by questionably qualified “doctors” in a very shady facility that if performed incorrectly, may leave them sterile and be unable to ever bear children and cause much permanent damage to a woman’s reproductive system. The qualifications and backgrounds of these “doctors” usually cannot even be checked because of the shadowy way that they operate their business, and business is exactly what it is, often operated on a cash only basis.

  • Amy Hodgkinson

    not having a emotional attachment to the victim doesn’t stop it from being murder. Otherwise, everyone could get out of being a murderer by saying they had no emotional attachment to their victim. But in reality how we feel about another person has no bearing on what the action is

  • Recognizing_Truth

    God bless you, Kate.

  • LadyInChrist♥ThankYouJesus

    One day this couple will face Christ. On that day will they be able to justify the killing of that Human they conceived but could not Love enough to give him or her life?

  • LadyInChrist♥ThankYouJesus

    Kate will be blessed for trying to save that Unborn Human………………………

    • WorldGoneCrazy-NotMurderedYet

      Happy New Year, LadyInChrist!

      • LadyInChrist♥ThankYouJesus

        Happy New Year WGC!

  • jael2

    For those of us who counsel abortion bound mothers, these conversations with so called Christians are far too common. The problem is much deeper than selfish men and women who want to fornicate, and dispose of their children like a piece of garbage.

    While it is true that Satan is a liar, and he’s walking to and fro in the earth seeking whom he may devour, much of the blame can be laid right in the lap of false preachers and teachers who are preaching another gospel and another Jesus. These ear tickling hirelings spout off such nonsense such as “all sin is equal”, and “we’re all sinners saved by grace”. What they should be saying I was “once” ( past tense) a sinner saved by grace, and stop telling people they can continue in habitual sin, and God is just going to wink at it and say “enter into the joy of the Lord”. What blasphemies are being taught.

    Jesus made it very clear, that “My sheep hear My voice and a stranger they will not follow”.

    These self-proclaimed Christians who murder their offspring, need their theology challenged, and we that speak to them should never address them as such.

  • Chet

    Kate was ever so right and very kind in her most reasonable approach in trying to dissuade an awful irreversible decision to willfully do wrong. And especially so in dealing with those professing to be Christians. It’s like the “Christian” fella who has prayed about his married status and “felt” God would have him leave his wife for another woman cause she no longer makes him happy. And after all, God wants us believers to be happy, no… Yeah, right!

  • George Varughese

    God bless Kate for her valiant pleading…on behalf of that helpless unborn baby…who couldn’t open its mouth to cry out, “Ma…, Pa…, please don’t kill me !” It’s sad that the “Christian-couple” didn’t realize, that the “abortion-clinic” was actually Molech’s altar !

  • 1PierreMontagne1

    Sounds like typical modern Christians that the world sees rightfully as being two faced.

  • truthwriter99

    The young woman and man are right. Their sins are between themselves and God, and no one else. Kate bombards them with judgements and keeps hammering how they are sinners if they have an abortion, but she offers no constructive ideas as to how they could successfully have a baby and survive young parenthood. Perhaps Kate is quite young and doesn’t understand human nature well, but if one were to offer tangible solutions for this couple to have the baby, like diapers, a place to safely stay for a while, a plan to allow them to continue college and not give up on their dreams, they might have had a change of heart. Since they cannot imagine how to be parents, and they may have little to no resources, they need help, not judgment. They need people who will calmly guide them with a plan tacking each issue they have with carrying a pregnancy to term. Perhaps a person trying to persuade others not to abort could research if a local college offers day care or other babysitting needs for students or how to apply for financial aid on campus.Perhaps a church could intervene and offer second-hand baby goods to a woman considering abortion. Those are helpful tools that might just work, but haranguing this young couple in a public place and telling them they are sinners, over and over again, is not helpful or kind. It is harassment, even if it was meant with a good heart. After all, how would Kate like someone to stand in a public place and call out her sins for others to hear? How would any of us like this treatment? This is the kind of behavior that is driving people away from the church and making them resent those who claim to speak for God. What people in crisis need is help, not more hurt heaped upon them, and a kind, understanding heart that can forgive them for being human beings.

    • vicnicholls

      Good luck truthwriter99. I used the same argument about the lies told to people to emotionally blackmail them into keeping a child. This stuff doesn’t work and only serves to make us look bad, just as you indicated. I had people get upset and bash me for it, so its not surprising that many of us have a hard time witnessing.

    • LynnRH

      Well and then you have the organizations that are everywhere abortion clinics are (that are many times faith-based, but not always) that are there to give women an alternative to abortions. They offer all kinds of ways to help women who feel they just can not afford to be a parent or don’t even want to be a parent right now in their lives. Thankfully these organizations have very high success rates in being able to get woman to see their future more clearly and positively. But, of course, we always have to have the naysayers who only want to bad-mouth these types of organizations and claim they are only out there to make woman feel guilty of having abortions. You can’t win for losing!