‘Pope Francis’ Places Crown on Head of Statue of Mary During Visit to Chile

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SANTIAGO, Chile — Jorge Bergoglio, the leader of Roman Catholicism who is also known as “Pope Francis,” placed a crown on the head of a statue of Mary during his visit to Chile on Tuesday.

The coronation took place during mass at O’Higgins Park in Santiago, where the tens of thousands in attendance watched Bergoglio place a crown on the head of the Christ child, and then also on the head of Mary. In Chile, the statue is known as “Our Lady of Mount Carmel,” who is also known by Roman Catholics in the country as the patron saint and “queen” of Chile.

“[T]he virgin who wanted to be called Your handmaid was chosen mother of the Redeemer, and true mother of all the living, and now exalted above the choirs of the angels, reigns gloriously with Your Son interceding for all men as an advocate of grace and queen of mercy,” he prayed during mass, moments before crowning the statue.

“Lord, look kindly upon these your servants, who by adorning with a visible crown the image of the mother of Your Son, recognize Your Son as King of the universe and invoke the virgin as queen,” Bergoglio said.

He “blessed” the crowns and was escorted to place them on the heads of the images. Bergoglio then stood before the statue, swinging a smoking censer of incense.

“I pray that Our Lady of Mount Carmel, mother and queen of Chile, will continue to accompany and bring to birth the dreams of this blessed nation,” Bergoglio said in a speech to Chilean authorities on the same day.

The Roman Catholic leader also spoke to Chilean youth on Wednesday at the Basilica of Our Lady of Carmel in Maipú, where he told those gathered that the “Our Lady of Carmel waits for you and welcomes you with an open heart.”

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“Just as she accompanied the birth of this nation and has accompanied so many Chileans over the span of these two hundred years, so too she wants to keep accompanying the dreams that God places in your hearts: dreams of freedom, dreams of joy, dreams of a better future,” Bergoglio said. “Our Lady of Mount Carmel accompanies you so that you can be protagonists for the Chile of which your hearts dream.”

As part of his trip to South America, Bergoglio is scheduled to likewise travel to Peru, where, according to the Catholic site Aleteia, “the pope’s first Mass in Trujillo will be in honor of ‘Holy Mary, Door of Heaven.'”

“While he will not crown any statues here, the opening and closing prayers will be focused on Our Lady,” the outlet explains. “Later that same day he will lead a Marian celebration during which he will venerate Our Lady and a special litany will be sung in her honor. The litany that will be used was composed by Turibius of Mogrovejo, who was archbishop of Lima from 1579 to 1606.”

Even prior to his departure from Italy, Bergoglio visited the Basilica of Saint Mary Major, where he prayed before the image of Maria Salus Populi Romani to entrust his endeavor to Mary. Vatican News reports that he additionally placed a bouquet of flowers on the altar below the icon.

Bergoglio had also observed the annual feast day called “The Solemnity of Mary, the Holy Mother of God” on Jan. 1, claiming that “[d]evotion to Mary is not spiritual etiquette; it is a requirement of the Christian life.” The Jan. 1 observance is part of what is known as the Octave of Christmas.

“Looking to the Mother, we are asked to leave behind all sorts of useless baggage and to rediscover what really matters. The gift of the Mother, the gift of every mother and every woman, is most precious for the Church, for she too is mother and woman,” he stated. “… May the Mother, God’s finest human creation, guard and keep this year, and bring the peace of her Son to our hearts and to our world.”

Gendron

While thousands attended the mass where Bergoglio crowned the Marian statue, Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network that Catholics place an inordinate amount of emphasis on Mary, and wrongly ascribe attributes to her that only belong to God.

“The pope crowning of the statue of Mary continues Roman Catholicism’s fascination with ‘another’ Mary that has been given the title Queen of Heaven. The pope crowned a statue of Mary because she is said to be the queen over all things,” he said. “Mary holds a very exalted position in the Roman Catholic Church, so much so that she is venerated as a goddess. This is blasphemy because the Catholic Mary has been given divine attributes that only God possesses. The emphasis on Mary by Catholics robs Christ of His glory, honor and praise.”

Gendron, a former Roman Catholic of 30 years, pointed to the various doctrines about Mary as written in the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other official writings.

“According to Roman Catholicism, Mary is ‘the all-holy ever-virgin Mother of God’ (CCC, 721), the ‘Queen over all things’ (CCC, 966), our ‘Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix’ (CCC, 969), who is ‘full of grace’ (CCC, 722), the ‘Mother of God and our mother’ (CCC, 2677), the ‘new Eve’ (CCC, 726), and the ‘seat of wisdom’ (CCC, 721),” he outlined.

Further, Catholic doctrine teaches that Mary “had no original sin (CCC, 508), and never committed sin (CCC, 493). She is second only to her Son (Vatican II, Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, par. 66) and sits ‘on the right hand of the majesty on high’ (Pope Pius X, Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, 14). In fact, ‘no man can go to Christ but by His Mother’ (Pope Leo 13th, Octobri Mense),” Gendron explained.

He likewise noted that the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that Mary “delivers our souls from death” (CCC, 966) and “continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation” (CCC, 969) through her intercession.

“It is not wonder Catholics exalt Mary so highly based on their religious tradition,” Gendron said. “Mary has no power to do what the pope thinks she can do. I would encourage Catholics to submit to the supreme authority of the Bible which tells us ‘not to exceed what is written’ (1 Cor. 4:6).”


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  • Off Shore

    Scripture clearly states that you shall not worship, adore, or SERVE no other except God alone this being from their own Bible.

    Matthew 4:10 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

    10 Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.

    Luke 4:8 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

    8 And Jesus answering said to him: It is written: Thou shalt adore the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

    • Stuart

      Gal. 5:13 “…but you should be serving one another…”
      1 Pet. 1:12 “…they were not serving themselves, but you…”
      1 Timothy 1:17 says, “All honor and glory to God forever and ever…”
      But 1 Pet. 2:17 says, “Fear God. Honor the king.”
      Rom. 13:7 says, “Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.”

      These texts are speaking about not offering worship, service, or honor to another as a god. They are not saying no one else should be served, honored, or feared, etc.
      Catholics do not intend or do worship of Mary.
      CONTEXT. CONTEXT. CONTEXT.

      • vicnicholls

        When you can deal with the Bible in context let me know.

        I am THE way, THE truth and THE life. NO MAN comes to the Father *but by me*.

        What did Mary say in Luke 1:47? What does the RC church teach:

        In Roman Catholic Mariology, the title Mediatrix refers to the intercessory role of the Blessed Virgin Mary as a mediator in the salvific redemption by her son Jesus Christ,
        and that he bestows graces through her.

  • paxomnibus

    Protestants are funny.

    • Jana

      Protestants are very very serious actually. You are not serving the One true God. Jesus is the only way, there is no purgatory and no second chance. Please put your trust in Jesus, and in Him alone before it is too late!

      • Jonathan

        “Jesus is the only way” – Catholics teach this
        “there is no purgatory and no second chance” – Catholics teach that there are no second chances. Please take some time to understand what purgatory actually is.

        • vicnicholls

          I have. That is why we say there is no second chance. The Bible says death, then judgement. Not purgatory, not working out the sins, that’s it.

          • Jonathan

            You do not understand Purgatory then. It is not a place for second chances. The unsaved cannot enter Purgatory.

          • vicnicholls

            The saved have no need of Purgatory. Hebrews 9:27 states it plainly. Romans 5:8, Isaiah 53:5, I John 2:2 indicate that Jesus’ suffering for our sins wiped the slate clean. Saying that we have to suffer for our sins says that Jesus’ death on the cross is NOT sufficient. Why would Jesus die for “big” sins but not others? That makes no logical sense at all. Try I Peter 2:24. Matt 12:31.

            I understand the Bible and how to exegete. Taking verses out of context means someone needs to go back to hermaneutics class and interpret Scripture in and of itself.

          • Stuart

            vicnicholls – You confuse suffering in payment for sins (done by Christ), with suffering for to be come ACTUALLY purified/holy/mature. This is part of our Christian daily walk. Catholics believe any such final purification that may be necessary will take place after death. That does not contradict the fundamental doctrine of Christ paying for our sins, etc. Similarly, “Work out your salvation with fear and trembling,” does not contradict Paul’s teaching on the work of Christ for our salvation.

          • vicnicholls

            Why do you need any purification unless you contradict the Bible and Christ (“It is finished”) and say that his death on the cross didn’t pay the full and complete price? No where in the Bible does Christ or any apostle teach that His death was less than full atonement for sin.

    • CLOWNSKILL

      Jews are the funniest. Out of suffering comes great comedy. And, trust me, I know funny.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    PROSPERETIC KENNETH COPELAND BUYS HIMSELF A GULFSTREAM V!

    BOUGHT FROM TYLER PERRY — CA$H!

    ‘The Holy Spirit confirmed to Brother Copeland that the Gulfstream V was the plane the Lord had set aside’ 🤢

    STILL ASKING FOR MORE: ‘Stand in agreement with us’ — ‘We’re believing for GV equipment, extension of runways, and a new hangar’ at Copeland’s private airport

  • Reason2012

    “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Mark 7:7

    “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
    Acts 8:36-37

    “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
    Matthew 23:5-10

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
    Ephesians 2:8-10

    “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
    Romans 4:4-5

    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
    Exodus 20:4

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
    Isaiah 42:8

    “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    1 Timothy 2:5

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
    Luke 11:27-28

    “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
    Mark 3:33-35

    “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
    Hebrews 7:27

    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
    Hebrews 10:10

    “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
    Acts 16:29-31

    “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:13-15

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
    Revelation 22:8-9

    “And [Jesus] said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
    Mark 4:9

    • CLOWNSKILL

      You are really good at copying and pasting. Are you a pro?

  • Enniscorthy

    Heaven forbid anyone should show respect to Mary.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      big difference between respect and placing a crown on an idol …….. people wanted to worship Mary when Christ was still here ……. Christ had His answer to that ……….

      Luke
      11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
      11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
      11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
      11:30 For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

      • Enniscorthy

        That’s because you are a fundamentalist Christian and you don’t understand symbolism. This isn’t an idol because people aren’t worshiping it. They may, however, be performing a symbolic gesture representing respect. I know Catholics and they don’t worship statues.

        • Connie Bender

          Are you kidding? Catholic doctrine made up this queen. There is nothing biblical that calls for it. And an act of placing a crown on a statue? Golden calf symbolism

          • Enniscorthy

            Placing a crown on a statue of Mary = showing respect to the mother of Jesus Christ. That’s all.

        • Connie Bender

          Wait! Don’t worship statues? We are TAUGHT to worship statues! To kneel before statues and PRAY to Mary, saints, etc. Pray to THEM and not to God. So blatant idol worship! Satan is a trucjy one. He is a beautiful trickster. You would follow anything ugly p, as Hollywood portrays a visual effect. You follow something that appears benign or beautiful. What’s the little harm in praying to the earthly mother of the living God? SHE IS NOT THE LOVING GOD!!!!

          • CLOWNSKILL

            I know. Right? Satan can even trick you into an adulterous relationship.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          riiiiiight …….. placing a crown on the top of an idol is not idolatry …… FYI ….. Christ referred to scripture all the time so He was a biblical “fundamentalist” and He told us not to do that …. and He SPECIFICALLY said it about Mary ……. but you know better ….. RIIIIIIIGHT ……………….

          • Enniscorthy

            It’s not an idol, Catholics don’t worship idols, they worship Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Trinity. Look it up.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is an idol and it is idolatry ………….. Mary is not God or part of the trinity …… but look up the veneration of Mary in the RCC Catechism …… and it most certainly IS …………

          • Enniscorthy

            You misunderstand, and that is where we shall leave it. Good day.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            I. MARY’S MOTHERHOOD WITH REGARD TO THE CHURCH

            Wholly united with her Son . . .

            964 Mary’s role in the Church is inseparable from her union with Christ and flows directly from it. “This union of the mother with the Son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death”;504 it is made manifest above all at the hour of his Passion:

            Thus the Blessed Virgin advanced in her pilgrimage of faith, and faithfully persevered in her union with her Son unto the cross. There she stood, in keeping with the divine plan, enduring with her only begotten Son the intensity of his suffering, joining herself with his sacrifice in her mother’s heart, and lovingly consenting to the immolation of this victim, born of her: to be given, by the same Christ Jesus dying on the cross, as a mother to his disciple, with these words: “Woman, behold your son.”505
            965 After her Son’s Ascension, Mary “aided the beginnings of the Church by her prayers.”506 In her association with the apostles and several women, “we also see Mary by her prayers imploring the gift of the Spirit, who had already overshadowed her in the Annunciation.”507

            . . . also in her Assumption

            966 “Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.”508 The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

            In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.509
            . . . she is our Mother in the order of grace

            967 By her complete adherence to the Father’s will, to his Son’s redemptive work, and to every prompting of the Holy Spirit, the Virgin Mary is the Church’s model of faith and charity. Thus she is a “preeminent and . . . wholly unique member of the Church”; indeed, she is the “exemplary realization” (typus)510 of the Church.

            968 Her role in relation to the Church and to all humanity goes still further. “In a wholly singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope, and burning charity in the Savior’s work of restoring supernatural life to souls. For this reason she is a mother to us in the order of grace.”511

            969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”512

            970 “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.”513 “No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.”514

            * II. DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN

            971 “All generations will call me blessed”: “The Church’s devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship.”515 The Church rightly honors “the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of ‘Mother of God,’ to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration.”516 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an “epitome of the whole Gospel,” express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.517

            III. MARY – ESCHATOLOGICAL ICON OF THE CHURCH

            972 After speaking of the Church, her origin, mission, and destiny, we can find no better way to conclude than by looking to Mary. In her we contemplate what the Church already is in her mystery on her own “pilgrimage of faith,” and what she will be in the homeland at the end of her journey. There, “in the glory of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity,” “in the communion of all the saints,”518 the Church is awaited by the one she venerates as Mother of her Lord and as her own mother.

            In the meantime the Mother of Jesus, in the glory which she possesses in body and soul in heaven, is the image and beginning of the Church as it is to be perfected in the world to come. Likewise she shines forth on earth until the day of the Lord shall come, a sign of certain hope and comfort to the pilgrim People of God.519
            IN BRIEF

            973 By pronouncing her “fiat” at the Annunciation and giving her consent to the Incarnation, Mary was already collaborating with the whole work her Son was to accomplish. She is mother wherever he is Savior and head of the Mystical Body.

            974 The Most Blessed Virgin Mary, when the course of her earthly life was completed, was taken up body and soul into the glory of heaven, where she already shares in the glory of her Son’s Resurrection, anticipating the resurrection of all members of his Body.

            975 “We believe that the Holy Mother of God, the new Eve, Mother of the Church, continues in heaven to exercise her maternal role on behalf of the members of Christ” (Paul VI, CPG § 15).

          • Joy Knowles Kane

            You must have been living in a cave since forever!

          • CLOWNSKILL

            At least 200,000 years since homo sapiens evolved.

          • Enniscorthy

            There are over a billion Catholics worldwide. They still outnumber you. They are still the largest branch of Christians. Caves? Really?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sad that all those mislead souls may one day be in hell if they do not turn …………

          • Enniscorthy

            LOL! The expert has spoken!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            scripture is the expert that has spoken …………

            Matthew
            7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
            7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

          • Enniscorthy

            Scripture says nothing about not being Catholic.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            BINGO ………….. so it aint about that …… is it ………. FYI ….. the word “catholic” simply means universal …… God only has one universal (catholic) church …… but just saying you are part of it does not make it so ……………

          • Enniscorthy

            If they say they’re part of it, I trust them more than when you say they’re NOT part of it. It’s very strange how you try to get in the heads of people you don’t know and whose beliefs you do not know.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            whatever ….. your trust should be in Christ and not the words of men …… whoever they are ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            FYI ….. i was raised in the RCC …… i know what they are taught ……… not sure what your point is though ……….. Doctrine matters ……….

          • Enniscorthy

            So you found another church that indoctrinated you in a different way, that’s all.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i found SCRIPTURE ….. and not the tall tales of men ……….. that have no basis in scripture …… and i did not find a church …… Christ found me and saved me ….. i was not looking for Him, He was looking for me ……….. churches do not save ….. churches are not saved …… PEOPLE are saved on an individual basis ……

          • Enniscorthy

            So what, all Christian say the same thing. We all have scripture.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you are not a christian ………….. is that correct ……….

          • Enniscorthy

            I elect to keep that information private.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. but it is becoming obvious ………

          • Enniscorthy

            Yes, I’ve noticed you’ve declared yourself to be a reader of minds on many occasions. Atheists was a recent example.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. reader and applier of scripture ………….

            Psa 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

            Psa 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

          • Enniscorthy

            It doesn’t matter how well you read scripture, it doesn’t grant you insight into the brains and minds of people you don’t know.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            GOD has that knowledge ….. and has GRANTED us that knowledge in the scriptures ……

          • Enniscorthy

            The scriptures don’t tell you that you can read other people’s minds, I’m sorry.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i do not have to read minds …. i read the scriptures …. God and christ know their creation BETTER than we ….. and they TOLD US ………. in writing ……… MEN LIE …… God does not …..

          • Enniscorthy

            When someone tells you what they believe, there is no reason to believe they are lying to you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and their is no reason to BELIEVE it to be true either ….. men are liars …… they lie all the time ….

          • Enniscorthy

            But not you?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            if they are true christians …. OF COURSE THEY DO ……. ummmm ……. DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ……..

          • Enniscorthy

            So how do you know the difference between the “true” Christians and the false ones? When they use the same scripture?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because they use it inappropriately ……… and their teaching is false …… and we know this because of SCRIPTURE ……….

          • Enniscorthy

            They might say you are using it inappropriately, and your understanding
            is faulty, and your teaching is false, and they’ll also know that
            because of scripture.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they might ….. YUP ….. and it is easy to separate those false teachers from those that are not …. by using SCRIPTURE ………..

          • Enniscorthy

            Scripture isn’t the cut and dried thing you seem to think it is. Look how many different religions there are because people can’t agree about it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because men have many different sins they want to protect ……. because men have many different idols they would rather pay attention to ….. thats why and that is in scripture ……

          • Enniscorthy

            No, they just don’t understand the words the same way. Example: Jehovah’s Witnesses and their “soul sleep”. They claim it’s scriptural, but it’s not believed by the bulk of Christians.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …… MEN LIE ….. God does not …..

          • Enniscorthy

            When you ask their opinions, no, they generally don’t lie, especially when they have nothing to gain from it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            horse hockey ….. ask any pollster if people lie during opinion polls …… what they gain is others thinking well of them …….

          • Enniscorthy

            Most people being asked their opinion aren’t participating in a poll, they’re offering it in normal conversation.

          • Reason2012

            We need to be careful assuming truth is on the side of numbers. The people who were destroyed by the flood outnumbered those who God saved. Countless millions destroyed, 8 saved.

            Matthew 7:13-15 “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”

            Matthew 7:21-23 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

          • Enniscorthy

            It isn’t just numbers, it’s age. These are Christians who’ve been around a lot longer than any other denomination.

          • Reason2012

            False teachers and deceivers have been around since Christ was here – doesn’t make their perversions of God/Christ’s truth true. Your issue is you compare your catholic denomination to other denominations. God / Christ did not make a denomination – He made His truth: born again believers in God – and they’ve been around since the beginning.

          • Enniscorthy

            Misrepresenting Catholic beliefs is the issue here.

          • Enniscorthy

            “False teachers and deceivers” is merely something that is a matter of your own opinion. I would not have the slightest bit of difficulty in finding a Christian of a particular denomination (or even “non-denominational”, which is really just another denominatino anyway)who finds YOUR beliefs to be the false ones.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Fundamentalist defined – Anyone who believes the bible more than me ……………

          “I know Catholics and they don’t worship statues.” …… any object of veneration is worshiped ……. whether it is acknowledged or not …….. idolatry is the veneration of any thing other than God ………. any thing that comes between a believer and God is veneration and worship ….. football, TV, shopping, smoking and ANY OTHER THING qualifies ……….

          • Enniscorthy

            “Whether it is acknowledged or not”
            That’s your problem right there. You can’t look into the heart of the person you make this accusation towards.
            Catholics are trinitarian Christians. That means they worship God in three persons – Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Notice there is no mention of Mary, or little carved statues. That’s taken right from the Catholic playbook sonny, so if you’re saying anything else you’ve been misinformed. Maybe learn what an idol is. Right after you learn what a strawman is.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i do not have to look at their heart ….. THEIR ACTIONS come from their heart ……….. and their action was to put a crown on an IDOL of Mary and that is IDOLATRY ………….

            Luke
            11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.
            11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

          • Enniscorthy

            Yes, and you clearly don’t understand their actions. And you cannot look into their hearts. Basically, you don’t and cannot know.

          • Joy Knowles Kane

            By their fruit you will know them.

          • Enniscorthy

            That’s right. Which you don’t.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. THEY clearly do not understand their actions …… or they do not care …….

          • Enniscorthy

            They joined the largest Christian denomination clearly because they do know what they want. You certainly cannot speak for them.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            has nothing to do with what “organization” they “joined” ……. and i do not claim to speak for them ….. as individuals or as a group ……. but i am free to point out their error ………

          • Enniscorthy

            If you misunderstand their actions, you aren’t pointing out their errors, but things you have only been TOLD are their errors.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. the CCC is in error and it has been posted …. it is in error as it does not comport to the truth of scripture ……. even if it is the appearance of evil they are to avoid it ….. SCRIPTURE ……….

          • Enniscorthy

            No. The problem is you’ve been taught by heretics.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. the problem is you have not been taught at all and you are just making things up as you go …………..

          • Enniscorthy

            OK then. We’ll let the numbers speak for themselves.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. sorry ….. it is not about who has the numbers ……. every person on the entire planet could be in agreement …… but if they all agree on the wrong answer …… that does not make them right …….

          • Enniscorthy

            I would trust a Christian group that’s been around 2000 years sooner than one that popped up 25 years ago.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not even sure what that means or why you think that is relevant ……

          • Enniscorthy

            No, I’m not the least bit surprised.

          • vicnicholls

            and I would trust the Bible before I would any man. The narrow gate, how about looking that one up? It isn’t about numbers.

          • Enniscorthy

            The Bible, oh, you mean the one canonized by the Catholic Church? THAT Bible?

          • Reason2012

            Catholicsm ignores and violates the Bible in many ways, which proves they didn’t “canonize” nor “create” the Bible.

          • Enniscorthy

            No, they follow it just fine. You’ve been indoctrinated to believe otherwise because you follow a more radical doctrine.

        • Jana

          If you bow before something, you worship it. And even apart from the “symbolism” catholics clearly thinks Mary, not Jesus is their way to heaven!

          • Enniscorthy

            No. I bow to an audience to thank them for their applause but I do not worship them.
            And Catholics ASK Mary to pray for them.

          • Jana

            If you bow before an audience that is not in a religious context. Mary can not pray for you. She is not your advocate, intercessor or High Priest, Jesus is.

          • Enniscorthy

            Everyone knows that. But it’s not wrong to show respect to the mother of Jesus Christ. And a moment ago you said “If you bow before something, you worship it.” Now you’re changing your story and saying that it’s different if done in a religious context. Not so. Bowing is a simple gesture of respect, right across the board. Look at cultures like the Japanese where bowing is very common.

          • Reason2012

            Mary is not omniscient and omnipresent – only God / Jesus Christ is. We are not even to bow down to angels for any reason as it’s a sign of worship.

            Revelation 22:8-9 “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

          • Enniscorthy

            “We are not even to bow down to angels for any reason as it’s a sign of worship, yet people make and bow down to carved images.”

            So don’t. But when other people do, don’t pretend to know what they’re doing especially if it contains a symbolic element when everything you’ve learned has been literal.

          • Reason2012

            So don’t. But when other people do, don’t pretend to know what they’re doing

            We’re commanded to now bow down to statues. So when others are bowing down to statues, no pretending is necessary to point out they’re bowing down to statues.

            everything you’ve learned has been literal.

            So the command to not bow down to statues is not literal? It actually means bow down to statues? The command to not make statues is not literal? It actually means to make statues?

          • Enniscorthy

            You are not even looking at context. You aren’t even considering what it meant to bow to a statue at the time of the writing of the Bible and how that entire meaning can be entirely different over time. I guess you don’t mix textiles either…after all the Bible says so.

          • vicnicholls

            She’s dead Jim. Can’t hear you. Deut 18:11.

          • Enniscorthy

            Oh, are you a Jehovah’s Witness? You’re talking like someone who’s into the “soul sleep” doctrine.

        • Joy Knowles Kane

          Soooo, kissing a statue and crowning it is not worship?

          • Enniscorthy

            Since they aren’t able to kiss Jesus himself and put a crown on him, they do the symbolic thing instead. Why is this so hard for you to figure out?

    • Jana

      Yes, quite right heaven forbid. The only One deserving of honor is Jesus. Mary didn’t die on the cross for your sins. The Mary you think you respect is not the true mother of Jesus as described in Matthew, Mark, Luke or John but is in reality an ancient goddess called the queen of heaven, and even if she was, Mary was human and sinfull just like us and she is not to be worshipped.

      • Enniscorthy

        Catholics are Trinitarian Christians. That means they worship the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That’s all. It ends there.

        • Joy Knowles Kane

          this is what they say while praying, hail mary full of grace the lord is with thee (alright so far, since the angel himself said this to mary the real live mary, however it continues) pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death amen. The problem with this is Jesus (the King of Kings and Lord of Lords) says there is only ONE mediator between God and man, it’s the man Christ Jesus. Also, no one comes to the Father except through me.

          • Enniscorthy

            That means that you never ask family members to pray for you?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            family is alive ….. Mary is not ………

          • Enniscorthy

            If you think she is dead and not alive in heaven, what hope is there for the rest of us?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            CHRIST is our hope as He IS in heaven at the right hand of the Father ……. NOT Mary who has not been resurrected yet ……….

          • sadsongs

            He who believes in me and lives (is alive) will never die.

            What “Bible” do you even read?

            And stop defining things in some hyper way.

            “Veneration” is not worship. Just stop.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ummmmm ……. the one that says taking scripture out of context is adding or subtracting to scripture and is not allowed ………….. like you just did there …… they WILL be resurrected …… but they are not yet …….

          • sadsongs

            Hebrews 10:19-20 NKJV (emphasis added) – Therefore, brethren, having boldness to ENTER the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,

            Hebrews 4:16 NKJV (emphasis added) – Let us therefore come boldly TO the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

            Ephesians 2:4-6 NKJV (emphasis added) – [4] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, [5] even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), [6] and raised [us] up together, and MADE [us] SIT TOGETHER IN THE HEAVENLY [PLACES] in Christ Jesus,

            Hebrews 12:22-24 NASB – [22] But YOU HAVE COME to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of *angels, [23] to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and TO THE SPIRITS OF [THE] RIGHTEOUS MADE PERFECT, [24] and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than [the blood] of Abel.
            *Or, angels in festive gathering, and to the church.

            2 Corinthians 5:6-8 NKJV – [6] So [we are] always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. [7] For we walk by faith, not by sight. [8] We are confident, yes, well pleased RATHER TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY AND to be PRESENT WITH the LORD.

            John 11:26 YLT – [26] and every one who is LIVING and believing in me SHALL NOT DIE — to the age;

            John 11:26 KJV – [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

            The members of the Body of Christ who passed away in the flesh, are they not still alive in the “spirit”?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Not yet … not until resurrection …….. which has not occurred yet in our time line …. they are dead bodies in the grave until Christs return …………

          • Reason2012

            They’re alive. They’re not omnipresent nor omniscient, is the issue. Only God / Jesus Christ is.

        • Jana

          Can you explain to me then why they bow before, and crown statues of Mary and why they believe Mary intercedes for them in heaven?

          • Enniscorthy

            You’ve had bowing explained to you – you elect to believe it means worship but clearly there are many examples that show that’s not so. Kissing someone’s ring or hand, same thing. A crown is a symbolic gesture, and I am really starting to see that you haven’t got much of a sense of symbolism. Not everything is as literal as you make it out to be.

            As for Mary, if you think she’s dead and not alive in heaven, I have to wonder what branch of Christianity you are, because most people I know, not just Catholics, believe Mary is alive in heaven. And Catholics (who ALSO pray directly to Jesus Christ, by the way) believe that Mary has a favored place in heaven and see nothing wrong with asking her to pray for them, which is called intercessory prayer and is no different than you asking for a family member or friend to pray for you.

            Mostly though I’m not sure why you care so much about this, they have their reasons for doing what they do and you might take issue or disagree but it doesn’t make them automatically wrong. It means you have a difference of opinion. And I never seem to see Catholics challenging fundamentalists on some of their questionable practices…they are more inclined to live and let live.

    • Joy Knowles Kane

      Of course you can respect Mary, especially when she was actually a living breathing human being! But CROWNING a statue? When Christ all about but dissed his mother and brothers while here on earth when they came asking to see him?

      • Enniscorthy

        So I guess we should never put crowns on kings and queens in this world either, because that’s worshiping them?

      • Jonathan

        “When Christ all about but dissed his mother and brothers while here on earth when they came asking to see him? ”

        Exodus 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

        No he did not all about but diss her. That would have been a sin.

  • Lemmylemon

    Blasphemy!!!
    There is only one Lord of lords, king of kings.

    • CLOWNSKILL

      And only one Lord of the Rings. That’s why Galadriel would not accept the one ring from Frodo. She knew it would corrupt her.

    • Georgie Franklin

      Blasphemy…. The original victimless crime!

  • Robert Radford

    There you go ‘Filthy Idolatrous Pope Frankie’ . A demon pope offering homage to a demon mary!

    • Just1Name

      Francis is THE FALSE PROPHET as spoken of in God’s Holy Word.
      Study Up! Prophecy is coming to pass at an alarming rate now. Alarming for all those who are ‘asleep’ & will be ‘caught unaware’, as Christ Warned ALL against.
      Even the ‘elect’ & too many in His church, are slumbering now. They don’t see it, or Him coming.
      Yet He gave us ALL the ‘signs’ to watch for.
      Scary. For them.

  • kenster777

    Jesus says I am the way the truth and the Life no one comes to the father but by me John 14:6.

    This is an absolute spoken by our Lord and Savior any substitution is not allowed and anyone that teaches so, will be Judged by him.
    Deuteronomy 5 states not to make any images or likeness, no one knows what Jesus, Mary or any of the Apostles looks likes and we should not be making any statues or similitude that could cause the weak to stumble. Just like Romans 14:15 destroy not your week brother with your meat.

  • kenster777

    Sorry should have capitalized no one comes to the Father but by me.

  • Joy Knowles Kane

    crowning a man made statue????? What For? tip it over and it’ll break into hundreds of pieces. He prays to it and for it? REALLY! may as well sign up for voodoo too.

    • Stuart

      Ever heard of symbols and symbolic actions? Do you solute or treat with respect your country’s flag? The flag is not your country. But you do honorary actions toward it. Do you ever show a picture of your husband to a friend or acquaintance? You say, “You proudly and lovingly say, “This is my husband.” You say it, though you know the picture itself is not your husband. Ever point to a picture in your kid’s children’s Bible, or to a nativity scene, and say to your child, “There’s Jesus”? You didn’t literally mean that it was Jesus, did you? Of course not. It is a visual reference/representation of the real one. It is a visual teaching aid.
      Would it be okay with you if your kid ran over and started hitting the figure of Jesus? Probably not. You’d regard it as a sign of disrespect, or failure to recognize the need for proper regard appropriate for the One the figure represents.

      Do you take Communion? Do you regard the bread and wine as symbols? Do you not do so with respect, with honor? Do you not pray to the Lord as you contemplate them, and the Lord’s life and sacrifice?

      Is there a cross in your church? Is it the actual cross Christ died upon? Would you it offend the congregation if some atheists raided the church, and did disrespectful things to it? It certainly offended most Protestants (as well as Catholics) when an “artist” put a small Crucifix in a glass of his urin, photographed it, and displayed it as “Piss Christ” in a museum, winning an award from the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art.

      You see, symbols mean things, and so does how we treat them. It doesn’t necessarily mean one is worshiping the object itself.

      • Joy Knowles Kane

        We are not talking about national symbolism. The pope does pray to mary and kiss her statue, and they call mary the queen of heaven which was condemned as an abomination in the scripture and by the God they claim to serve. That’s the point I am making. Also if you are a catholic the ten commandments will mean something to you and the very first 2 deal with not making any graven image to bow to them e.t.c., that is what I am saying. It goes completely against what God says to do. That is why it is not appropriate or necessary.

    • CriticalEyes

      But you’re one of the same goofy ass bitches that will have a fit if a football player takes a knee and doesn’t “honor” the symbol of freedom to you that is a symbol of oppression to them.
      Nutty ho.

  • Lydia Church

    And Jesus, not Mary, is the Door to Heaven!

    As the Bible says, it is the blind leading the blind who cling to the traditions of men to pacify their consciences….and replace a true relationship with the Lord with… rituals that cannot save you.

    They will take any distraction to lead them away from Jesus, the only one who can save.

    Read your Bibles, you need all of the Bible, the whole Bible, and nothing but the Bible for spiritual truth! The Catholic church has invented another gospel that has blended in the pagan religions of Rome at the time of Constantine.

    This is why a Protestant Reformation was needed, and a long list of additional reasons!
    Being a member of any church won’t save you, you MUST come to Jesus on your own!!!
    HE is the only mediator, there is none other. 1 Timothy 2; 5

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Russell Moore: Have Bible Quoters Replaced Bible Readers?

  • Becky

    The RCC adding/omitting as they go. Like when they changed the seventh day Sabbath to Sunday (the first day of the week). Zero evidence within the Holy Scriptures that the Sabbath was ever changed. Yet, the whole world has forgotten the Sabbath and keeps Sunday as the holy day…thanks to the RCC. They’ve repeatedly admitted to it…here are just a few examples out of so many.

    “Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history as a religious day, as we learn from the Christian Fathers and other sources. But what a pity that it comes branded with the mark of paganism and christened with the name of the sun god.” (Dr. Edward T. Hiscox, author of “The Baptist Manual” from a paper presented at a ministers’ conference held November 13, 1893)

    “The Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.” (C.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, “Catholic Mirror”, Sept 23, 1895)

    “Now in the matter of Sabbath observance the Protestant rule of Faith is utterly unable to explain the substitution of the Christian Sunday for the Jewish Saturday. It has been changed. The Bible still teaches that the Sabbath or Saturday should be kept holy. There is no authority in the New Testament for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday. Surely it is an important matter. It stands there in the Bible as one of the Ten Commandments of God. There is no authority in the Bible for abrogating this Commandment, or for transferring its observance to another day of the week. For Catholics it is not the slightest difficulty…We have in the authoritative voice of the Church the voice of Christ Himself. The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third – Protestant Fourth – Commandment of God. As the Rev. Mr. Smith rightly points out: ‘The Jewish Sabbath is not Sunday, the Lord’s Day. Christians are all wrong in speaking of the Sabbath as Sunday.’ The Christians who so speak are “Bible Christians,” those who make the Bible the sole rule of Faith; and the Bible is silent on Sunday observance, it speaks only of Sabbath observance. The Lord’s Day – Dies Dominica – is the term used always in the Missal and the Breviary. It occurs in the Bible once (Apoc. 1.10); in Acts xx. 7 and 1 Cor. xvi. 2, there is a reference to “the first day of the week;” but in none of these is there the remotest intimation that henceforth the first day is to take the place of the seventh. That is the crux of the whole question, what authority does the Bible give for the change? And that difficulty Mr. Smith and his critics, though pious and effusive and vaguely eloquent about many things, have each and all sedulously evaded.” (September 1st, 1923 edition of The Catholic Record of London, Ontario, Canada, Volume XLV, page 4, Publisher & Proprietor, Thomas Coffey, LL. D)

  • Georgie Franklin

    Oh those damn chatolics are so going to hell.

    • Reason2012

      They’re not going to hêll because of putting a crown on the statue – those things only show that they do not know God / His Word / Christ and hence are not yet saved / are still on their way to hêll as are each of us before we get saved.

  • Mr. Didymus

    The Bible says that Eve is the mother of all living. i guess the Pope needs to read Genesis sometime.

    Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

  • Croquet_Player

    I find this peculiar obsession with Catholic theology fascinating. Apparently a lot of people think Catholics have the wrong idea, and they’re pretty upset about it. Surely a lot of other faiths have the wrong idea too, why the focus on Catholics?

  • Just1Name

    Abomination.

  • Just1Name

    Abomination!

  • cadcoke5

    There is no question that the issue of Mary, as the pinnacle of the canonized saint system, is at the core of the differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants. I think that there certainly is a lot of misunderstanding among Protestants about some of RC theology/Maryology, But, I also think that the RC’s official doctrines in regards to this, are false.

    The pagan world of ancient Rome had a chief deity, and various sub-deities. Each deity had its own particular focus and world of influence, as well as a certain level of power in relation to the other deities. You would pray to one or another of the deities, based on what you wanted. The RC practice to praying to specific saints seems to work in a similar way.

    What sets the RC church apart from pagan religions, is that they would say that there is only God himself, present as the Father Son and Holy Spirit. And that salvation is only through faith in Jesus. Their canonized saints are said to be in complete submission to God, as opposed to the pagan system, where deities are often in contention with each other.

    Some RC friends, who I believe to be truly saved, would describe praying to saints as no different than asking your pastor to pray for you. Though, especially in other countries, I do often see practices that strike my eyes as being paganism with simply a substitution of Christian names for the deities. But occasionally, some protestants have gone to adore their pastor to a level far beyond what they should, even to the point of participating in grave sin to please their pastor. The main question is what is the official teaching of a church, not what some of the members may believe. Or perhaps, what common beliefs does it choose to accept, even if it does not write them in its doctrines book.

    There does seem to be official teaching and common practices of the RC church that smacks of heresy. The canonized saint system is based on the idea that only the sins up to your point of salvation, are forgiven. After that, you must work off your sin, either by suffering for them (either now or in purgatory), or by acts of good works. Mary is at the pinnacle of that system.

    In practice, the RC friends, to who I have asked these questions, do not know what the doctrine of purgatory is. In regards to saints, they draw a strong distinction between veneration and worship, and would describe salvation through Jesus exactly as I would.

    My personal conclusion is that the RC church is truly a Christian denomination, since it acknowledges God, in three persons. It would say that salvation is through faith, not works, Though, I think they are in serious error by teaching that sin after salvation must be worked off now or later in purgatory. However, they believe you eventually get admitted to heaven based on that initial faith.

    I am curious what a RC member would think if they saw a protestant church with a statue of its pastor near the entrance, and saw members of the congregation kneeling before it as they entered, to venerate him. Or perhaps saw a small altar at their house, with a picture of the pastor over it? I tend to expect that they would be repulsed by the sight. Protestants have the same feeling whenever they see the same thing done to Mary, or a pope placing a crown on the head of her statue.

  • Jonathan

    “Mary holds a very exalted position in the Roman Catholic Church, so much so that she is venerated as a goddess.” – what rubbish. This is not Catholic teaching.

  • Lady D

    all that for some ceramic? for real though? these folks!…

  • Stuart

    Gerdon doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Mary is not held to be a “goddess” by Catholics. She is regarded as Queen Mother (the gebhirah)/ Queen of Heaven, because Christ is the King of Heaven. In Old Testament times, the mother of the king was the gebhirah (Queen Mother). And in Daniel 5:10 the term malketha (“queen”), referse to the king’s mother. This can be clearly seen in the case of Solomon and his mother, Bath-Sheba (see 1 Kings 11:19). This is not to say that the term could not be applied to a king’s wife. But the latter is less likely when the king (like Solomon) is a polygamist. Jeremiah calls Jehoiachin’s/Jeconiah’s mother (named Nehushta) “gebhirah” in Jer 29:2. Many other references apply. DO YOUR RESEARCH! It is quite ironic when Protestants condemn something entirely BIBLICAL in Catholic teaching simply because they don’t know their Bible well enough (esp. O.T. Jewish practices). ….But then, I’ve done it myself, before. LESSON: Don’t condemn something without doing the research. Even some Protestant reference materials contain this information on the “gebhirah,” though they don’t think forward theologically to how it might apply to Christ our King’s mother, Mary, since He is now enthroned in heaven. One ought not PLAY DOWN Mary’s importance, just because one wishes to avoid worshiping her. [Technically, veneration is a level of due honor to be given. It is not worship. But sometimes it appears to have morphed that direction in the regard of some, though we cannot judge their hearts.]