Vatican Document Stirring Controversy Over ‘Welcoming and Accepting’ Practicing Homosexuals‏

Vatican Credit Thomas RoemerROME — Controversy is stirring over a document released by a meeting of international bishops of the Roman Catholic religion who are spending two weeks at the Vatican to discuss marriage and family issues. While the document may undergo further adjustments in its language surrounding issues such as homosexuality, cohabitation and divorce, the first proposed version asserts that Roman Catholics should welcome and accept those practicing homosexuality.

“Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?” it reads. “Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?”

While retaining its belief that homosexual behavior is a sin, many view the document as seeking to be more “inclusive” of those whose lifestyles run counter to Scripture.

“Without denying the moral problems associated with homosexual unions, there are instances where mutual assistance to the point of sacrifice is a valuable support in the life of these persons,” it continues. “Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to children who live with same-sex couples and stresses that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.”

Another section of the draft—the result of the 200-bishop meeting—is entitled the “positive aspects of civil unions and cohabitation.”

“In the West, an increasingly large number of people, after living together for a long period of time, seek marriage in the Church. Simply to live together is often a choice based on a overall attitude, opposed to anything institutional and definitive, but also in expectation of a more secure existence,” it states. “In other countries de facto marriages are very numerous . . . [as] material poverty leads people into de facto unions.”

“[S]uch unions can display authentic family values or at least an inherent desire for them. Pastoral guidance should always start from these positive aspects,” the section continues, while stating that the goal of providing a “constructive response” is to “transform them into opportunities which can lead to an actual marriage and family in conformity with the Gospel.”

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The document also states that “those who are divorced and remarried require careful discernment and an accompaniment of great respect, while avoiding any language or behavior which might be construed as discrimination.”

Following its release, some homosexual advocates and others have expressed approval, viewing the document as being a positive development.

Frank DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry for LGBT Catholics, said that the draft provided “very hopeful directions in the way that Church leaders should address lesbian and gay people and their families” and opined that he hoped Catholics would respond with “new ways of welcome and acceptance.”

“Pope Francis was very clear in having two distinctive demands,” Cardinal Vincent Nichols of the U.K. told the Wall Street Journal, noting that the pontiff asked bishops to focus on “the high ideals of the Church and not to judge people’s lives.”

But others, such as the Archbishop of Durban, said that there is a split among bishops about the document.

“How it is written, the relatio conveys that there is an agreement on issues, on which there is not in fact an agreement,” he stated.

“[The relatio] is simply riven with very serious difficulties, and I’m deeply, deeply concerned and I’m not alone,” added Cardinal Raymond Burke, prefect of the Apostolic Signatura.

Some also took issue that the words “sin” or “disorder” are not present in the document regarding any of the issues—from homosexuality to cohabitation to divorce.

The Vatican “reiterates that [the relatio] is a working document, which summarizes the interventions and debate of the first week.”

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  • Hugh1

    Gay marriage will not be a sacrament in the Catholic Church. But that’s not the point, never has been, and why so many anti-gay right wingers will never quite understand this. No gay person that I am aware of asked the Church to change it’s position on sacramental marriage. We wanted the Church to disengage from its hate campaign, like this one – “Thomas Paprocki, Illinois Bishop, Holds Exorcism Of Gay Marriage Law Despite Protests.” 11-2013 HuffPost. And funding Prop 8 in CA. And Pope Benedict calling gays “intrinsically disordered. The change in attitude is a good thing.

    • Ken

      In the quietness of deadening silence, not just from the initial statement but also the much broader ramifications such a statement might lead to, is heard..

      “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do….”

    • pjwung

      You have a right to your opinion Hugh since this forum comes under the auspices of Constitutional rights and therefore so do I Hugh. I never attack commenters in a personal manner nor attempt to demean those with whom I disagree or who disagree with me. It is called dialogue Hugh. Yes, Hugh I am a conservative and truth never changes Hugh – and I apologize for my “generic” references to scripture since it is so bothersome to you. St. Paul makes the Church’s traditional stance very clear and that is not optional in my humble opinion. However, Hugh the Church is not a democracy and was never meant to be – we can express our views in this manner but ultimately it is left up to the magisterium to decide – we will see how things develop. According to those Church authorities responsible for this sort of thing It appears doubtful that it will go the way that you so vigorously advocate or gay marriage and gay rights, etc. That is all I have to say about this and I also don’t play “forum ping-pong” so let us all patiently wait to see how the magisterium decides in these issues because it matters little nor at all what you and I think – the Church is not a democracy and they will not be having a referendum you can be assured of that.

      • Hugh1

        pjwung, perhaps you are not aware of the hurt that comments like, “aberrant and unnatural behavior” (that you attributed to St. Paul) inflict. But from my days in Catholic high school 50 years ago, I still feel the sting. You may have the last word.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          “26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged NATURAL sexual relations for UNNATURAL ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned NATURAL relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed SHAMEFUL acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” [Romans 1:26-27, capitals substituted for non-capitals for emphasis purposes.] May God bless you, Hugh1!

        • pjwung

          Hugh, I do not hate you. I have known many people experiencing Same Sex Attraction that are very compassionate and loving people. I pray and hope for only the best in your life and future. I do not intend any harm toward anyone. I spent my entire adult life working with disabled persons and have always cheered for those rejected and oppressed. My apology for those who have injured you Hugh – yes my views are conservative in most all areas but I was never a bully nor took any pleasure in wronging others who have been marginalized in life. My prayers and well wishes I offer to you Hugh. Blessings to you and yours.

  • alnga

    We are to welcome the sinner, and we are all sinners, to our assemblies, however when the sinner is publicly bringing that assembly into question or becoming a by word in the community then we must ask the sinner to either repent or leave. Now sinner as described here covers all known sin. One sin is not worst than another. . Scriptural guide lines are easy to find, lets love the sinner and remove the sin.

    • MaryWaterton

      FALSE. ALL SINS ARE NOT EQUAL. John 3:16 only says that all have sinned, not that all sins are the same. In fact, the LORD Himself disproves the “all sins are equal” false doctrine by giving an example of a sin that is worse than all others:

      “Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.” (Mark 3:28-29)

      It should be clear to anyone who has SERIOUSLY studied the Bible to discern the mind of the LORD that homosexuality is on the bottom rung of God’s scale of immorality. But therein lies is the problem ……… Christians don’t read their Bibles.

      • SpeakTruth

        Wow, Mary! You are capable of discerning the MIND of God? Impressive! So, you just somehow “know” what God is thinking and have put sins in order of evilness per god’s thoughts?

        • Sha-wei

          Actually, if Mary is fairly conversant with the Word and is led by the Holy Spirit to understand it, then – yes – it can be said that she knows the mind of God, for Scripture itself tells us:

          “…No one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.”

          And she is also right in her assertion about the “unpardonable sin” since even the apostle John concurred in saying: “If you see a Christian sinning in a way that does not end in death, you should ask God to forgive him, and God will give him life unless he has sinned that one fatal sin. But there is that one sin which ends in death, and if he has done that, there is no use praying for him”.

          A worrisome thought, to be sure, but one to unequivocally take to heart. Save for that, God is ready and willing to forgive, upon TRUE repentance.

          • KenS

            You misunderstand the sin unto death doctrine. The only, only sin that is unpardonable is the sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. The sin unto death is not unpardonable, but rather, when God feels that you, as a Christian, are sinning so much without trying to stop that you are no longer a good testimony and are doing more harm to self and the cause of Christ, God will take you home to Heaven rather than to keep you on earth to continue in said sin.

      • All sin sends you to Hell. Some sins bear greater natural consequences than others. Supernaturally, we are all saved by grace, nothing else. It starts at grace.

  • pjwung

    This is the slippery slope. The point being is that of course non-practicing homosexuals need to be welcomed into the Church. Many homosexuals clearly reject the practice of sexual activities between same-sex individuals and openly state they it is wrongful and aberrant behavior for obvious reasons that just about anyone who has not put on their blinders, rose colored glasses and has taken Bio 101 can see. Many homosexuals have accepted it as a way of chastity that they have been called to follow so as to share in Christ’s sacrifice of His very life to allow all to enter the Kingdom. St. Pau made it very clear that persistent aberrant and unnatural behavior was not to be accepted as appropriate in the Church nor within the scope of Christian morality. Indeed, there are many even married persons who due to physical disorders, catastrophic illness and a myriad number of other reasons relate to their spouse on a non-physical relational basis in committed and life-long love. The human journey has never promised that everything we may want will and must be ours for the taking. Many, many single persons go through life by their own choosing with the help of the emotional and spiritual intimacy offered by way of friendship and family relationships that are very satisfying and deeply fulfilling for these people. The homosexual lifestyle in this way is also not a de facto human right and therefore should not wrongly and forcibly be embraced by all regardless of their moral perspective as clearly defined in the Holy Scriptures which comprise the foundation of all truly Christian denominations either Catholic or Protestant. The same can be said for cohabitation. The issue of divorced Catholics is an area that should be scrutinized, however, given the fact that all too often one party can be completely victimized by the offending spouse and therefore both parties need not be penalized and marginalized by the Church which is simply my opinion and we all have a right to express it since this is still America, (Well, sort of but that’ s another story altogether)!

    • Hugh1

      You’re changing the subject, “The point being is that of course non-practicing homosexuals need to be welcomed into the Church.” This is where the Catholic Church was for the last 100 years, not where it’s going. Talk about missing the point entirely.

      And please stop quoting scripture in generic terms, it’s annoying. Abortion will never be permitted in the Catholic Church – that’s not happening, ever. Other than that, many behaviors are recognized as sinful in the Catholic Church. But when you consider the larger issue, that the offspring of gay relationships and those of remarried Catholics are in need of redemption, you will likely see blessings of both relationships. It doesn’t mean that the Church either approves of this, or that it is going to re engineer its concept of sacramental bonds, but it does recognize that the families resulting from these bonds are also in need of salvation.

      You claim that, “The homosexual lifestyle in this way is also not a de facto human right…” Actually it is, and because of the denial of those rights, you will shortly see those constitutional rights accorded all gays in the United States. And it’s about time.

    • Sha-wei

      You speak in too disingenuous a manner, and with inconsistent diction and artificial typos, to be believable. …Serving the interests of The Team, I see, and hoping to promote the belief in “celibate homosexuals” to get the Church to lower its guard and allow itself to be infiltrated by wolves in sheep’s clothing. Begone.

      • pjwung

        Celibacy in relationship to the homosexual individual has been the stance of the Church for about 2000 years now and needs little promotion. I really don’t think you have any idea of what is clearly stated above. What can you mean by inconsistent diction (which refers to verbal speech not written material, disingenuous – how can you determine the sincerity of a written passage which is not an accurate usage of the word disingenuous meaning insincere that is interpreted by verbal and non-verbal gestures not written passages and artificial typos? I mistakenly left out the “l” in the name of Paul – so I am not the world’s best typist that has nothing to do with my points.) Sha-wei you would do well to keep working on the language. You are doing a good job but have a distance to go in order to correctly interpret and extract an accurate meaning from a written document in English – no insult intended. It is clearly a second language for you and I can understand that. However, before you attack a writer please locate the correct and accurate meanings of the words and phrases you use to do so. It appears quite incomprehensible sir.

        • Sha-wei

          Every word means exactly what it is painstakingly intended to mean, and although you and those of your ilk in “The Team” are united in your Anti-Christian agenda, you are far from a homogenous grouping; hence, the censure tailored specifically to YOU. On the other hand, what you think of me in non-spiritual terms is absolutely immaterial now and for all eternity, but, would you also mislead the readers in your rush to label me a blathering fool?

          “…diction (refers to verbal speech not written material”

          But “diction” is:

          1. style of speaking or writing as dependent upon choice of words

          Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2014.

          1. the choice and use of words in writing or

          Collins English Dictionary – Complete & Unabridged 2012 Digital Edition

          “the word disingenuous meaning insincere which is interpretred by verbal and non-verbal gestures not written passages”

          As for your coming across as “disingenuous” (“lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically
          ingenuous; insincere”), you either feign or manifest complete ignorance of TONE in speech or writing, as in “a moral tone”, “the haughty tone of a letter”, etc. (Thorndike Barnhart Advanced Dictionary); and if the former, you prove that you amply deserve said label.

          “Celibacy in relationship to the homosexual individual has been the stance of the Church for about 2000 years now and needs little promotion.”

          That “stance” presumes that the Church of Christ – his body – was quite happy to leave homosexuals in its midst AS THEY WERE, precluding merely the physical expression of their proclivities, but 1 Cor. 6: 9-11 helps dispel that specious

          No, what you are doing is intriguing after the manner of Balaam, “who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality”. (Indeed, the narrative goes that “the men began to indulge in sexual immorality with Moabite women, who invited them to the sacrifices to their gods. The people ate the sacrificial meal and bowed down before these gods”.)

          Isn’t that your goal for us, you snake, in seeking to foist upon
          fundamentalist sensibilities the innocuous image of “willingly-celibate” homosexuals being embraced by the Church? And while believers are thus distracted and soothed, their distrust allayed, the not-really-celibate homosexuals in their midst can set about to win over to their cause (by “warmth” and charm
          and what-have-you) those same believers, from INSIDE the body; fifth-columnist infiltration tactics, of course.

          • pjwung

            Sha-Wei – I have never actually encountered an individual who actually suffers from a definitive delusion that he is an actual Biblical prophet by your own design. Your arrogance is profound and in your prolific commentaries you have unabashedly judged every individual with whom you disagree which appears to be everyone. It must be a wonderful gift to be have been given such absolute and superior spiritual and intellectual superiority above all others – I am certain that you would treat Jesus Himself in the same manner. It is very reflective of the Pharisees for I detect not an ounce of compassion nor love in your comments. You may have done your informational homework but you have failed to learn the essence and central meaning of Christ’s mission which is love and compassion above all as well as brotherhood and fellowship. These attributes are those of the heart and not the mind at all. You attempt to bully everyone of your victims into accepting your very narrow and hypocritical approach to the Message and charity of Jesus’s message. You Sha-wei are far from the love of Christ and offer others nothing more than your arrogant and self-proclaimed prophetic legalistic message of spiritual death. You are welcome to respond as you wish since this is still America at least where I come from but I will have nothing more to say to you for you are interested only in self and your narrow-minded exaltation of intellect to the neglect of the central message of Jesus Christ being love, compassion, brotherhood, kindness, generosity and peace. There is nothing more to say to a person ensnared by self and the evil that necessarily follows from self-worship. I will not respond to you in any way, shape or form again – I will not waste my time on such a narrow and self-centered mind, heart and soul as you continue your mission of anger and abuse targeted at anyone who does not worship you. You are the spirit of anti-Christ for certain unlike that which I have ever encountered – you hypocrite!

  • Susan Moore

    God said NO in the Bible. So, unless they change their lifestyle and repent, ya’ll going to hell. I know gay people and like them very much, but, the Bible says no. You should be going with God’s word!

  • Gary

    My thanks to the Catholics for once again demonstrating why I am grateful that God spared me from a Catholic background.

  • Conservative seer

    You cannot call a zebra a horse, you cannot call a pigeon an eagle , the same way you cannot call homosexuality a good behavior, in fact the word homosexuality and righteousness should not be in the same sentence

  • Paul Kidd

    1 Corinthians 6:9
    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (sodomites, homosexuals), nor abusers of themselves with mankind

  • The Knight

    Out of the Roman Catholic Church

    by Bobby Tillman

    The Roman Catholic Church has two major contradictions on its plate right now that will literally cause many millions of their flock to become led by the unwise and ungodly if they remain true to their church.

    1. Attempting to enter into and form a new religion with Islam called Chrislam wherein, the Roman Catholic Church will accept Islam as One Faith, One God and One Church.

    2. The acceptance of homosexuality. In this context, I will address the latter. For decades, if not centuries, the Roman Catholic has had within its closed chambers a problem with homosexual priest and nuns. Just their acts of forbidding priest and nuns from marriage, pretty much forced many of them into entering into homosexual acts to meet their sexual needs. THis writing will address in a short commentary, the homosexuality of the Roman Catholic Church and the news report will address what is going on in the Roman Catholic church concerning the acceptance of such.

    I suppose after centuries of homosexual priests and nuns and after the past decade or so publicity of homosexual priests, the Catholic Church is saying to the world, “IF you can’t beat them, join them” In other words, they feel that accepting homosexuality, their inner-most sins of the past will intermingle with their new faith … Priests and Nuns can continue in their homosexual life styles (coming Out-of-the-Closets” world-wide … Surly IF the Holy Roman Catholic Church approves homosexuality and accepts it as new doctrine, then it is “A-OK” with God. So, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, The Methodist, the Presbyterian, and the Episcopal denominations accepts homosexuals, then it has definitely gotta be right, right … WRONG … A thousand times WRONG …

    The Apostle Paul warned us about all of this in 2 Timothy, Chapter 3 … “1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was … 13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.”

    But Paul also warned us that IF We stay true to the Faith, “10 But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long-suffering, love, perseverance, 11 persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. 12 Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.

    Those denominations/inter-denominations/non-denominations and the people of God and of Christ JESUS who Stands Faithful to God, His Creative and Kingdom Principles and True to His Word will be those who enter the Kingdom of God … Those who are not of God nor of JESUS our Christ and those who have turned away from God, His Creative and Kingdom principles and against His Word will be judged by our Holy God and cast into the lake of fire … “22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” Matthew 7: 22 – 23 KJV

    • How is the Pope going to keep getting paid like he does in the RCC? It would take a truly humble man to forego all the Papal perks for the sake of unity 😉

  • fleabug

    The Vatican’s stance combined with Pastor Houston’s stance from Hill Song paints a very dire picture for the Church. This is what The Epistles warned would happen ….Judgment will begin in the House of God first.

  • Eric

    80% of all priest and church goers will end up in hell, there just there, no personal relationship with christ on a day base,

    • pjwung

      Did you get your figures Eric from the Bible or are you a self-proclaimed prophet as well? Did you include the margin of error in those figures when you did the statistics? Amazing how you came to this statistical conclusion Eric! I am certain that you must then be quite morally perfect in all ways since you are able to make this sweeping judgment even to the exact percentage point. I’m impressed because I was under the impression that only God Himself could do such things!

      • Eric

        does not matter, truth will be told on the other side right. cant change who you are then.

  • Islam and RCC – making excuses for their abuses

    How long before they are welcoming pedophiles? Oh – wait – that’s right.