U.S. Supreme Court Declines to Hear State Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ Cases

Supreme CourtWASHINGTON — The Supreme Court cleared the way Monday for an immediate expansion of same-sex “marriage” by unexpectedly and tersely turning away appeals from five states seeking to prohibit homosexual unions. The court’s order effectively makes same-sex “marriage” legal now in 30 states.

Without comment, the justices brought to an end delays in in five states— Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin. Chief Justice John Roberts did not say a word about the matter as he began the court’s new term.

Homosexuals in six other states—Colorado, Kansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, West Virginia and Wyoming—will now likely move forward with obtaining licenses. Those states would be bound by the same appellate rulings that were put on hold pending the Supreme Court’s review.

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  • Atheist Adam

    It’s marriage. Not “marriage”.

    • Sha-wei

      The Truth (of the absurdity of same-sex “marriage”) has a way of needling the willfully unrepentant in even its minor details, does it not? But if you are an honest sinner, and not an avowed enemy of God BY CHOICE, for whom prayers will scarcely avail, repent while you yet draw breath.

      • Atheist Adam

        Exactly. Believing in an imaginary friend is a CHOICE. Being gay isn’t. Interracial marriages were once sprayed as “destroying marriage”. People like you are acting EXACTLY like the Muslims you people hate.

        • Sha-wei

          It appears you have made your choice already. So be it. I don’t know you, so I will not make any association with this conversation when we meet again before the seat of judgment, speechless and trembling before the awesome magnificence of the Holy One who is about to pass sentence on you. Will you then believe?

          As you are dragged, screaming and writhing in vain, the flames looming ever nearer, will you believe? Mock this scene if you will – but you may yet remember these “silly” words in those desperate final moments as you recall that you COULD HAVE…SHOULD HAVE…believed unto repentance. (But you can believe NOW: there’s still a little time!)

          I will be horrified to witness your fate, yes, but it will last but a short while. You see, the very memory of YOU will perish from all remembrance. It will be as though you had never existed. Make the most of what is left of your existence now, “Adam”, while the world can yet experience you, and you it. Goodbye. And sorry.

          From a pathetic fool for Christ to a “fool (who) has said…, ‘There is no God’”.

          • Atheist Adam

            You do know that mythology comes from ancient Greece’s Tartarus, right? Oh wait, you actually think your book is “original”. Hate to break it to you, it’s not. Even christmas was stolen from paganism. Jesus is weaker version of Horus.

          • Heel2013

            Do the mythological gods of antiquity really mirror the person of Jesus Christ? As an example, the Zeitgeist movie makes these claims about the Egyptian god Horus:

            • He was born on December 25 of a virgin: Isis Mary

            • A star in the East proclaimed his arrival

            • Three kings came to adore the newborn “savior”

            • He became a child prodigy teacher at age 12

            • At age 30 he was “baptized” and began a “ministry”

            • Horus had twelve “disciples”

            • Horus was betrayed

            • He was crucified

            • He was buried for three days

            • He was resurrected after three days

            However, when the actual writings about Horus are competently examined, this is what we find:

            • Horus was born to Isis; there is no mention in history of her being called “Mary.” Moreover, “Mary” is our Anglicized form of her real name, Miryam or Miriam. “Mary” was not even used in the original texts of Scripture.

            • Isis was not a virgin; she was the widow of Osiris and conceived Horus with Osiris.

            • Horus was born during month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov), not December 25. Further, there is no mention in the Bible as to Christ’s actual birth date.

            • There is no record of three kings visiting Horus at his birth. The Bible never states the actual number of magi that came to see Christ.

            • Horus is not a “savior” in any way; he did not die for anyone.

            • There are no accounts of Horus being a teacher at the age of 12.

            • Horus was not “baptized.” The only account of Horus that involves water is one story where Horus is torn to pieces, with Isis requesting the crocodile god to fish him out of the water.

            • Horus did not have a “ministry.”

            • Horus did not have 12 disciples. According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four demigods that followed him, and there are some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him.

            • There is no account of Horus being betrayed by a friend.

            • Horus did not die by crucifixion. There are various accounts of Horus’ death, but none of them involve crucifixion.

            • There is no account of Horus being buried for three days.

            • Horus was not resurrected. There is no account of Horus coming out of the grave with the body he went in with. Some accounts have Horus/Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and then becoming the lord of the underworld.

            When compared side by side, Jesus and Horus bear little, if any, resemblance to one another.

          • Atheist Adam

            You’re right, Horus is far more superior than Jesus.

          • Heel2013

            How so?

          • Dan Summers

            Horus has appeared in Stargate, Jesus never made an appearance on the show.

            Both of Horus’s parents are Gods and is a God himself.

            He has a freaking Falcon’s head.

            He’s part of Egyptian mythology, and Ancient Egypt is pretty cool!

            In the cool and interesting department Horus would definitely win. Horus would be one of the cool kids in a highschool…Jesus would be the nice guy that is friends with everyone but is just a friend and he would be totally cool with that.

          • Heel2013

            when the actual writings about Horus are competently examined, this is what we find:

            • Horus was born to Isis; there is no mention in history of her being called “Mary.” Moreover, “Mary” is our Anglicized form of her real name, Miryam or Miriam. “Mary” was not even used in the original texts of Scripture.

            • Isis was not a virgin; she was the widow of Osiris and conceived Horus with Osiris.

            • Horus was born during month of Khoiak (Oct/Nov), not December 25. Further, there is no mention in the Bible as to Christ’s actual birth date.

            • There is no record of three kings visiting Horus at his birth. The Bible never states the actual number of magi that came to see Christ.

            • Horus is not a “savior” in any way; he did not die for anyone.

            • There are no accounts of Horus being a teacher at the age of 12.

            • Horus was not “baptized.” The only account of Horus that involves water is one story where Horus is torn to pieces, with Isis requesting the crocodile god to fish him out of the water.

            • Horus did not have a “ministry.”

            • Horus did not have 12 disciples. According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four demigods that followed him, and there are some indications of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him.

            • There is no account of Horus being betrayed by a friend.

            • Horus did not die by crucifixion. There are various accounts of Horus’ death, but none of them involve crucifixion.

            • There is no account of Horus being buried for three days.

            • Horus was not resurrected. There is no account of Horus coming out of the grave with the body he went in with. Some accounts have Horus/Osiris being brought back to life by Isis and then becoming the lord of the underworld.

            When compared side by side, Jesus and Horus bear little, if any, resemblance to one another.

          • Sha-wei

            Dan Summers, “get rid of the vile images you have set your eyes on, and do not defile yoursel(f) with the idols of Egypt”. Not one of them ever took your punishment, or mine, and bled his precious life out in so doing.

            None of those idols ever won eternal life for us as LITERAL “children of God and joint-heirs with Jesus of ALL things”. Now, THAT’S cool. But it is immeasurably sad that you would admire instead a stand-in for a demon.

            I am sincerely sad for you. I urge you to get to know that “nice guy”, Yeshua Ben Elohim, before the school bell rings and you each go your separate ways.

          • pastoredsmith

            All false gods and religions (including the atheist “church”) steal parts of the real thing to make up their “logical” story. Christ is the real thing. Accepting Him as Lord and Savior is the only way. Other “gods” are fake, plastic and already have or will burn in hellfire.

          • Rose

            Are you ‘satisfied’ by getting on a Christian website and making ‘fun’ of Christians? Are you ‘satisfied’ by convincing yourself that you’re right and that you are ‘winning’ the arguments? You’re not at all helping the case of atheists worldwide by going on the internet and bullying Christians like so. As a matter of fact you’re only ruining it. From what I’ve heard, Atheism is a ‘practice of good’. Getting on a website and bullying Christians is not ‘good’. And no matter what, this battle has already been won by Jesus who died on the cross. You’re doing absolutely nothing to us, you’re not ruining our faith, you’re not making us look stupid, you’re only ruining yourself. I hope and pray that you will see the light and that you will open your arms up to God but until then, just know that your fight you’re fighting isn’t worth it at all.

          • Phipps Mike

            for hating homos, you sure are a drama QUEEN with melodramatic words in most all of your replies. Want a hanky?

  • pastoredsmith

    The slide into the abyss in this country just picked up a lot of speed. No matter what the rogue government says, same sex “marriage” is a fraud. They can legislate all they want, it doesn’t change the truth; and the truth will ultimately win out.

    • BarkingDawg

      I bet that you said the same thing after the Supreme Court struck down state bans on inter-racial “marriages” as well.

      • pastoredsmith

        You’d lose that bet.

        • BarkingDawg

          If you were honest, I doubt it.

          • pastoredsmith

            Doubt yourself, “barkingdawg” I am not the one who is trying to destroy marriage in this debate.

          • BarkingDawg

            Marriage is not going to be destroyed.

            Stop with the histrionics, already.

            None of this will have the slightest impact on the ability of straight people to get married.

          • pastoredsmith

            Marriage is now being destroyed by rogue legislation that allows for same sex “unions” to be on equal footing with a genuine marriage. There is no such thing as “straight.” It is either following God or not. That simple. And, God Himself ordained marriage as being between one man and one woman. Therefore, shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. This is God’s plan. Divorce, adultery, promiscuity (including homosexuality; a thing that God called an abomination) have mostly destroyed the family as God created it.

          • Phipps Mike

            pastoredsmith,

            “Divorce, adultery, promiscuity (including homosexuality; a thing that God called an abomination) have mostly destroyed the family as God created it.”

            wrong, the marriage of same sex couples will not stop different sex couples from marrying, Your conclusion is invalid.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, Phipps Mike, it will not stop people from being in a traditional marriage; this much we agree on. What it will do is cheapen the marriages that are genuine and are a true family. Your ideas of changing the definition of the family while claiming it doesn’t damage traditional marriage are bogus. Marriage is a oneness. It is a divine union of two individuals (a man and a woman) who, in front of God and man, pledge their loyalty one to the other. Allowing marriage to be cheapened by bringing homosexual “marriage” into this society removes the boundaries of marriage. Next, and it is already underway, polygamy will take center stage as the latest man-made “minority.” Then, where? Bestiality? “Group marriage?” How about Incest? Mothers marrying their daughter? Give me a break. You simply have your head stuck in the sand.

          • Phipps Mike

            those who are already in a traditional marriage prior to the ruling would not have the definition changed because it is NOT retroactive.

            ” It is a divine union of two individuals”

            you added the word divine here to suit your argument. A marriage is a union, yes, but it is not a requirement gto be divine. A marriage between two atheists is just as much a marriage as one between a christian couple. Religion is not a prerequisite of a marriage. Two same sex people can have a lifelong committed union.

            You appear to have your head stuck in fantasy land to think that same sex marriage is a “gateway” to other marriages.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, but that is not the point, is it? It is what is happening now….right NOW. It is the destruction of sacred marriage; as it has been in this country since its inception. If you choose to leave God out, that is your choice. As to your assertion that “Religion is not a prerequisite of a marriage.” You missed the bus. Perhaps God is not required to be a “legal” marriage in this country; as homosexual “marriage” is becoming, but, it will never be a JOYFUL marriage. My head is not in anything fantasy. It is in the Bible. It is your attempt to live in an abomination that is in ‘fantasy land.’

          • MattFCharlestonSC

            Who are you to say whether or not homosexuals can have a JOYFUL marriage?

          • pastoredsmith

            I didn’t say it. God did.

          • Atheist Adam

            What’s your evidence of “god saying” anything? “Jesus” was quoted saying things but he’s been ruled a fictional character. No matter how much “faith” you have that “god”/”Jesus” are real, science and evidence proves otherwise.

          • Heel2013

            Jesus has never been ruled as fictional character, the strong majority of historians agree that Jesus of Nazareth existed an was a real person, there is no controversy on whether Jesus existed, the controversy has always been was Jesus really who He claimed to be, the Messiah, Son of God, God in the flesh. One thing you learn early in archaeology is that the Bible has never been refuted and there is a reason for that, you can’t refute the truth.

          • Atheist Adam

            Actually, legit historians have said Jesus wasn’t real.

          • Heel2013

            No truth in your comment that is for sure.

          • Paul1

            Prove to me Jesus wasn’t real or didn’t exist! Come on prove it give me some facts! I am sure you being an Atheist have all the scientific evidence to prove Jesus didn’t exist! Come on post those facts to His non-existence? Waiting……

          • KenS

            still waiting for the historical proof that Jesus did not exist!

          • Atheist Adam

            There’s zero historical documents for Jesus.

          • Heel2013

            Was Jesus a real person?

            What historians say about the historical evidence for Jesus

            Jesus

            Billions of people around the world believe in Jesus, yet there are many people (especially on the internet) who say that Jesus never really lived and the stories we have about him are simply legends. Can we know the truth about whether Jesus lived or not? Here’s what the expert historians have concluded.

            The verdict of expert historians

            Almost all historians believe Jesus did indeed live. The following quotes from historians who have specialized in that period of history are typical:

            I don’t think there’s any serious historian who doubts the existence of Jesus …. We have more evidence for Jesus than we have for almost anybody from his time period.

            Prof Bart Ehrman, University of North Carolina

            we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. ….. In recent years, ‘no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus’ or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.”

            The late Michael Grant, eminent historian of the Roman Empire

            Jesus did exist; and we know more about him than about almost any Palestinian Jew before 70 C.E.”

            Prof James Charlesworth, Princeton Theological Seminary

            Biblical scholars and classical historians now regard it [the theory that Jesus didn’t exist] as effectively refuted.”

            Robert Van Voorst, Western Theological Seminary

            The historical evidence for Jesus himself is extraordinarily good. …. From time to time people try to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed, but virtually all historians of whatever background now agree that he did”

            NT Wright

            Further quotes, with sources, can be found at Quotes on Jesus as a historical person

            Note: We need to be clear what the historians are saying, and not misunderstand. They are not necessarily endorsing christian belief about Jesus – some of the above historians are Christians, some are not. They are simply saying that a person recognizable as the Jesus of the gospels truly lived, taught, gained a reputation as a miracle-worker and was executed – for more on what they conclude we can know about Jesus, see Jesus in history.

            Why have the historians concluded this?

            Historians draw their conclusions based on the historical evidence – e.g. whether we have independent sources, whether the documents we have were written close to the events and whether they are consistent with other known history and culture. The New Testament satisfies these requirements better than most other ancient documents – it includes a number of independent sources, the gospels were written within a generation of the events, and archaeology and other history generally confirms the New Testament.

            Robert Van Voorst

            In Jesus outside the New Testament, Robert Van Voorst gives 7 reasons why historians are confident Jesus lived:

            The Apostle Paul did not say a lot about Jesus (an argument sometimes used by skeptics, but this is an argument from silence and therefore invalid without positive evidence). But Paul did know about Jesus, and was unlikely to write a lot of historical detail in letters.

            The gospels are too early for invention (too many people would have remembered the real facts), and their accurate references to Palestinian geography would not have been possible if the stories were invented later.

            The development of the early Christians’ understanding of Jesus which can be seen in the gospels (another argument sometimes used) is not sufficient to justify the belief that they were inventions.

            No early opponents of Christianity, whether pagan or Jew, ever denied that Jesus truly lived, or even questioned it.

            Scholars are generally agreed that references to Jesus in the Roman historian Tacitus (early second century) and the Jewish historian Josephus (late first century) are both genuine, though some parts of Josephus appear to be later additions.

            Most arguments that Jesus wasn’t a historical figure have come from people opposed to Christianity and thus not unbiased, whereas scholars of all viewpoints from atheists to Christians accept the historicity of Jesus.

            Proponents of the mythical Jesus view have not been able to offer any credible hypothesis that explains the stories of Jesus and the birth of Christianity.

            Bart Ehrman and ‘Did Jesus exist?’

            In his recent book, Ehrman gives a number of reasons why we can be sure Jesus existed and lived a life broadly as described in the gospels:

            The gospels and Paul’s writings are extremely useful independent historical sources. Even though they were written by people with a particular viewpoint, they cannot be discounted because most ancient sources had viewpoints, and historians have learnt to discount biases. Likewise, any discrepancies in the stories don’t take away from the significant agreement on the main facts.

            Historians can discern a number of sources behind these documents, in Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) and dated within a few years of his life. This is unprecedented in ancient history.

            Paul, who lived at the time of Jesus, didn’t know Jesus (as far as we know), but knew one of his closest followers, Peter, and his brother, James. As Ehrman pithily says: If Jesus did not exist, you would think his brother would know it.

            No Jew would invent a story of a crucified Messiah, for this was a scandal to a Jew. Only the historical fact that Jesus truly lived and was crucified can explain this.

            The alternative theories proposed to explain the facts are often based on unhistorical and misrepresented ‘facts’ and incorrect methodology. For example, theories about dying and rising gods are not based on real historical information, but on old books whose research has been discredited, and there are no comparable pagan stories of virgin births, as is claimed.

            Those who believe Jesus was a myth often resort to self-serving methodology when confronted with inconvenient facts. Many attempt to gloss over textual evidence against their theories by claiming the inconvenient text is a copyist’s interpolation.

            Maurice Casey

            In Jesus of Nazareth, historian Maurice Casey is adamant that professional scholars regard the question of Jesus’ existence to have been settled years ago, and quotes the findings of EP Sanders in The Historical Figure of Jesus in support. He argues that those (generally non-experts) who think otherwise base their conclusions on ludicrously late dates for the Gospels, incorrect comparisons with pagan myths, tampering with ancient texts to remove inconvenient evidence, poor application of accepted historical methods and disregard for the work of major scholars in the field.

            Why the controversy?

            People have their beliefs and dis-beliefs, and some on either side of the question may allow these to interfere with their judgment. It is safest to learn from the experts. Some people believe we should reject everything that cannot be absolutely proven, but this is not appropriate for a study of history, where we can obtain probability, but not certainty (see below).

            But can we trust the historians?

            Some historians have their biases, but we can surely trust the scholars who are recognized and respected by their fellow historians – as are the scholars I have quoted above. Those who propose that Jesus didn’t exist have to claim some sort of conspiracy among thousands of scholars from reputable universities all over the western world.

            Can we know historical truth?

            We cannot directly observe the past, so history can only be known through writings that record what people say happened, and archaeology that supports these writings. Because different writers have different purposes, and because recording the objective truth may not have been among their purposes, historians have to compare the various accounts with each other and with archaeology to determine what is consistent. They try to recognize, and discount, biases in the writings, and use methods to reduce the influence of their own opinions.

            Thus history can only describe what probably happened. Those of us who are not historians must rely on the findings of the consensus of historians.

          • C.P. Steinmetz

            “One thing you learn early in archaeology is that the Bible has never been refuted”
            Sigh. Repeat a lie often enough and those who haven’t any scientific knowledge will probably believe it and repeat it as “TRUTH”.

          • Heel2013

            It’s no lie, that is the great thing about the truth, it can’t be refuted and God’s Word is the truth.

          • Heel2013

            Sorry to burst your bubble but archaeology has been one of the Bible’s best friends for validation. Thanks to Archaeology the Bible is considered historic.

          • Rose

            Dude, it’s in history books that Jesus was a real person. Open one up and you’ll see that they say that Jesus was a real person. You’re saying that Jesus is a fictional character is mere opinion.

          • Paul1

            As if having a JOYFUL homosexual marriage makes a homosexual marriage right!!! LOLOLOl Then I guess a pedophiles having sex with kids is ok because he or she is JOYFUL! What a ration of crap to justify something sick.

          • Atheist Adam

            Well if god allows paedophiles in churches…..

          • Paul1

            Actually men like you allowed pedophiles in churches, try again. Give me some facts that God allowed pedophiles in churches?

          • pastoredsmith

            That is preposterous. God does not allow pedophiles in church. Sin is sin wherever it is found. Yes, there are people in the church who have committed this sin, but that doesn’t change the fact that this is a clearly a sin. Always has been. Always will be. Your point is invalid. You babble on….yet you say nothing.

          • Atheist Adam

            Where exactly in the bible does it say pedophilia is bad? I don’t recall anywhere in that book saying pedophilia nor rape is bad. Why is that? Because it was written by man or it was written by a “god” who loves fucking children and raping women(Mary). Your rreligion is as bad as Islam. You fail to remember that “traditional marriage” was about selling your daughter to the highest bidder after she got her first period. How is that better than allowing people who love each other to marry?

          • pastoredsmith

            I have attempted to have a conversation with you, Atheist Adam, yet you condemn me on every turn. This conversation is over. The profane manner in which you deliver your message is reprehensible. I suppose you will want to make one final insult. The floor is yours. Have a good day, sir. I will pray for you.

          • Rose

            Congratulations, God allows paedophiles in churches. You know why? Because God WANTS them in church. Church is a place to get healed, to help grow and to get away from sin!

          • SashaC

            Ah, the old slippery slope fallacy. Time for some new material. Children are not consenting adults. That’s the difference.

            BTW, are your comments always this manic, or are you just upset that gay marriage is inevitably going to become legal nationwide and are losing it a little bit? Bring it down a notch, I hate the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else.

          • Paul1

            We are a nation on a slippery slope of fallacy and that fallacy is Homosexuality. I have the Truth, what new material do you have, more excuses as to why homosexuality should be legal? Those who are manic are people such as yourselves who continuously glutton after your perverted wants. Funny you say gay marriage is going to become ‘legal’, which means it is illegal today. As for you stupid ass statement that children aren’t consenting adults, only means its a matter of time before the age of consent is written out of law to make pedophilia legal you moron. It’s obvious you aren’t smart enough to see the future. Try some more excuses, you’re shooting 0/X at the moment so please come back with more new material!!!!!!!

          • SashaC

            Without proof, your “truth” is merely an opinion. Your histrionics and childish name calling only serve to prove that you are desperate and grasping at straws. At the end of the day, you know you’re on the losing end, which clearly is making you losing your mind. I’d say I feel sorry for you, but I don’t.

          • Paul1

            Then if I am so childish in my actions why do you put up with my trolling???? Truth is 2+2=4, the Earth is a sphere, we live in the Milky Way galaxy, North is north, males have a penis, homo sapien sapien has 46 chromosomes, Sasha C keeps losing this argument…oh by the way homosexuality is morbid.

          • SashaC

            The saddest part is that you’re not trolling. You believe every hateful, misguided thing you say. For that, maybe I do pity you a bit.

          • Paul1

            Truly your thoughts and words are astounding! You do notice how you accuse me of bigotry as your excuse to justify homosexuality! See homos do hate heteros because we do sex as sex should be done. I know you are about to cry, the Truth hurts, it cuts to the bone and lays bare all the things you have done in the dark.

          • SashaC

            Oh, of course! I’m defending gay rights, so I must be gay, lol! I don’t mind you thinking that, because there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. You were amusing for awhile, but you’re boring me now. Consider yourself dismissed. 😉

          • MC

            “You were amusing for awhile, but you’re boring me now. Consider yourself dismissed.”

            You lost the argument anyway…

          • Paul1

            To further prove my point that homos hurt society!

            Pedophilia deserves civil rights, Says NYT’s op-ed
            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/pedophilia-deserves-civil-rights-says-nyts-op-ed/#3qHyqHcU3CMai708.99

          • Atheist Adam

            You do know most pedophiles are IN your churches LOL!

            Also, saying the earth is a sphere was blasphemy by your religion. Why do you believe it’s a sphere? Evidence. Evidence changed religious minds. From slavery being bad to the earth being a sphere. Even though some religious people actually still believe that the earth is flat. This is what religion does to people, make them dumb. Why? Because knowledge is a bad word.

          • KenS

            NO, it was religious people compromising with the scientists of the times that caused the church to persecute those who believed it to be round because if they would have stuck to their guns, and believed the bible in Isaiah 40:22 is says: “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth….” That clearly shows that any bible believing christian should be believing the the earth is round

          • Atheist Adam

            Circles aren’t spherical. Circles are flat. Basic geometry.

          • KenS

            Circle and sphere are both round in shape but whereas a circle is a figure, a sphere is an object. You can compare the two as a drawing of a tennis ball on a piece of paper and the ball itself in real life. A circle is a 2D figure whereas a sphere is a 3D object having volume. One can only calculate the surface area of a circle whereas it is possible to calculate the volume of a sphere. Earth is considered spherical in nature but when we draw the figure of earth on paper, it is a circle. Some people make the mistake of saying earth is circular in shape which is wrong and they should rather say it is spherical in shape. Here are some more differences between a circle and a sphere.

            One thing common in both circles and spheres is that both have A perfect symmetry around their centers. All the points lying at A distance r from the center of the sphere or a circle form a sphere. The longest distance inside a sphere is double this distance r and is called the diameter of the sphere. To a mathematician, both the circle and a sphere are one and the same thing as a collection of all the points that are equidistant ® from the center of the circle or the sphere. In a plane a round object is called a circle but the same circle becomes a sphere in space.

          • HardCorePress

            What evidence do you have to prove your opinion?

          • pastoredsmith

            I haven’t lost my mind because the truth is where sanity is located. The idea that “gay” marriage is “OK” does not make it right. It has been for all time, and will always be for all time, sinful. God doesn’t change His mind because people fall into sinful lifestyles and refuse to acknowledge Him.

          • Phipps Mike

            To non believers, it is NOT sinful. Their reality does not match yours, Ed. No God means there is NOTHING wrong with it. Once again, you are in the United States, not a monarchy country.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” only means its a matter of time before the age of consent is written out of law ”
            grow up and realize that parents wont let that happen. You come off worse than a paranoid conspiracy theorist. You also are very uneducated when you equate homosexuality to “gluttony”. Gluttony means an over amount of a certain anything. Homosexuality means sex with ONE partner. Heterosexuality is also with ONE partner. Where is the gluttony? You sound like a 13 year old child.

          • pastoredsmith

            No matter what SCOTUS has ruled. No matter what any government body has legislated. God’s way is the only true way. There will never be such a thing as a “gay” marriage. It is only the shacking up of two individuals (or more) indulging in illicit sexual activity.

          • Phipps Mike

            Unfortunately for you and everybody else that wants to legislate the Bible, it cannot be done in the U.S. , Ed. “Congress shall pass no law establishing a religion.” The “true way” is inapplicable in a nation that CARES about its inhabitants. You also forget that even in a gay marriage there is COMMITMENT.

          • KenS

            OK, answer me this, what it a 40 yr old man and his 20 yr old daughter or son want to get married? Would this be allowed now that we are changing the definition of marriage?

          • pastoredsmith

            There is nothing “gay” about the perversion and sin of homosexuality.

          • Phipps Mike

            its just a word, Ed. It has more than ONE meaning.

          • Phipps Mike

            Atheists have just as much joy as Christians and maybe even more since their life is not suppressed by a book (The Bible).
            I have a FEMALE wife FYI so I am not living “in” an abomination.
            Fantasy is believing that you need God to have joy. If you REALLY believe that, You are in need of mental help. God is NOT a crutch.

          • pastoredsmith

            I’m glad to hear you have a female wife, Mike. But, you are dead wrong about being “suppressed” by following God. It is the most freeing thing you can imagine. No longer living under the bondage of sin because of His forgiveness and grace. There is nothing like it. It is ultimate JOY that is only available to those who accept Him as Lord and Savior. This is NOT fantasy. Jesus Christ is alive; He rose from the Dead, and there is proof….His tomb is empty. No, God is no crutch, and I am not in need of mental help. In fact, I can offer you something through a relationship with Christ that will change your life to help you find more JOY than you ever thought possible…..and on His truth, not fable. You are in our prayers. Good day, sir.

          • Phipps Mike

            I already have a relationship with God and I can say from experience that its no easy task to follow all of the rules of the Bible. There was a book written by a guy that tried that for just 30 days. It ended up being one of the best comedy books of the millennium because of all of the contradictory things that are in the Bible. I didn’t say that you DID need mental help, I said that IF you have to have God to experience joy, THEN you would need mental help.

          • pastoredsmith

            Thanks for that clarification. It is not about being perfect, or keeping all the rules. The Old Testament law is enough to fill a library. But, that is what GRACE is for. It pulls us back when we mess up. And, as to your contention about “joy,” then I would have to say that no real, true and lasting JOY is possible apart from Christ. Happiness is possible to everyone. But, the JOY that sustains and strengthens us comes from God alone.

          • Atheist Adam

            I’m joyful without an imaginary friend.

          • Rose

            1. God’s not an imaginary friend, he’s real. 2. you may think that you’re happy, but that’s mainly because you’re an atheist and you just don’t get it. God IS joy, and compassion, and love. The only way we get true joy is through him. I’m pretty sure you’re not a quarter as happy as any true Christan out there.

          • Phipps Mike

            “the JOY that sustains ”
            that could certainly turn into a philosophical debate.

          • Heel2013

            Agreed 100%, When I came to Christ 3 1/2 years ago, it literally changed my life for the better, I have never felt so alive, full of joy, peace and love. The best thing I ever did was coming to Christ and having a relationship with Him.

          • Ger Bear

            You know what cheapens marriage? People being unfaithful, people hitting each other, you know…the kinds of things straight people have been doing since the first marriage. Allowing two people who love each other to get married will not cheapen it, it will make it stronger.

          • Rose

            Some of those things are true, but you missed something. The main thing that cheapens marriage is not having God in your relationships. And if you’re in the middle of a marriage that he doesn’t approve of and you do it anyway, there’s no room for him.

          • Ger Bear

            So by your understanding, my marriage is cheapen because I’m an atheist and god doesn’t factor into my relationship, even though I’m married to a woman. By that logic my marriage is as big an abomination as gay marriage.

          • Rose

            Any relationship without God is wrong. End of Story

          • Ger Bear

            You are wrong. Open your mind. End of story.

          • Rose

            You have your opinion and I have mine. Whether you like my opinion or not is your choice.

          • Ger Bear

            The difference is, my opinion is not interfering with anyone else’s life choices in the name of something that doesn’t exist.

          • Rose

            The difference is, my choice to let God be first will better my relationships with others.

          • MC

            Actually, domestic violence is higher in homosexuals than heterosexuals.

            The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey

            2010 Findings on Victimization by Sexual Orientation

            “The lifetime prevalence of severe physical violence by an intimate partner (e.g., hit with fist or something hard, slammed against something, or beaten) was:

            For women:

            -Lesbian – 29.4%

            -Bisexual – 49.3%

            -Heterosexual – 23.6%

            For men:

            – Gay – 16.4%

            – Bisexual – numbers too small to report

            – Heterosexual – 13.9%”

            “Violence by an Intimate Partner

            • The lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner was:

            For women:

            -Lesbian – 43.8%

            -Bisexual – 61.1%

            -Heterosexual – 35.0%

            For men:

            -Gay – 26.0%

            -Bisexual – 37.3%

            -Heterosexual – 29.0%”

            “More than 6 in 10 lesbian women (63.0%), 7 in 10 bisexual women (76.2%), and nearly one-half of heterosexual women (47.5%) experienced psychological aggression by an intimate partner at some point in their lives.”

            “Nearly 1 in 3 lesbian women (29.4%), 1 in 2 bisexual women (49.3%), and 1 in 4 heterosexual women (23.6%) has experienced at least one form of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in her lifetime.”

            “More than one-third of lesbian women (36.3%), over half of bisexual women (55.1%), and more than one-quarter of heterosexual women (29.8%) in the United States have been slapped, pushed, or shoved by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime”

            “Approximately 1 out of every 5 bisexual women (22.1%) and nearly 1 out of every 10 heterosexual women (9.1%) in the United States have been raped by an intimate partner in their lifetime.”

            “Four in 10 lesbian women (43.8%), 6 in 10 bisexual women (61.1%), and 1 in 3 heterosexual women (35.0%) reported experiencing rape, physical violence, and/or stalking within the context of an intimate partner relationship at least once during their lifetime.”

            “Approximately 4 out of 10 gay men (40.2%), half of bisexual men (47.4%), and 1 in 5 heterosexual men (20.8%) in the United States have experienced sexual violence other than rape at some point in their lives.”

            “Nearly half of lesbian and heterosexual women (46.4% and 43.3%, respectively) and three-quarters of bisexual women (74.9%) reported experiencing sexual violence other than rape in their lifetime. Approximately, one-third of lesbian women (32.3%), more than half of bisexual women (58.0%), and one-quarter of heterosexual women (25.9%) experienced unwanted sexual contact, while 37.8% of lesbian, 62.9% of bisexual, and 32.4% of heterosexual women reported non-contact unwanted sexual experiences.”

            “Approximately 1 in 3 gay men (32.3%), 1 in 5 bisexual men (21.1%), and 1 in 10 heterosexual men (10.8%) reported experiencing unwanted sexual contact during their lifetime.”

            http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_SOfindings.pdf

            “Rates of physical partner violence victimization are higher among gay men than heterosexual men.2, 4

            ‘The percentage of women who experience IPV in their lifetime appears to be higher for lesbian women than for heterosexual women.4

            http://www.sp2.upenn.edu/ortner/docs/factsheet_ipvinsamesexrelationships.pdf

          • Atheist Adam

            Pastoredsmith, if you feel that strongly against gays why not start stoning gays? In your own bible, it clearly states you should kill gays.

          • pastoredsmith

            With every word, Atheist Adam, you demonstrate your ignorance and only ability to quote the liberal talking points. You have no idea what the Bible teaches! you don’t know the difference between Old Testament Law that was designed to deal with a primitive people in a way that could be understood by them. The New Testament; Jesus Christ Himself, looked at a woman caught in the act of adultery and was accused by “religious leaders” (fakes) that she should be stoned. Read it for yourself and you will see that you are clearly ignorant. We advocate killing nobody over sexual sins; or for any reason at all, except for justified Capitol Punishment…..try again. You missed that one.

          • Atheist Adam

            King James 2000 Bible
            If a man also lies with a man, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

          • pastoredsmith

            Romans 1:27 KJV: “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Your problem is that you try to apply part of the Old Testament law to the New Testament in the same application. You forget about Christ; the most important part….He died that we might get FORGIVENESS for sin; forgiveness meaning that we REPENT (turn away from our sin) and follow Him. You still missed it.

          • Atheist Adam

            When is the current version of your fairytale book considered “Old Testament”? Also, you’re basing your “argument” of gay marriage not being genuine from old testament laws anyway.

          • GowithGod

            Pick up a Bible, go to the table of contents in the front matter of the Bible, and you will see what books/chapters of the Bible is “Old Testament”, on which pages you can read the entries for yourself.

          • Atheist Adam

            Fun fact: marriage was around thousands of years BEFORE your fairytale book was even thought of.

          • pastoredsmith

            Real fact: The Bible is no fairytale.
            Real fact: God started marriage in the Garden of Eden with the very first man and woman.
            Fun fact: Atheists can’t get their facts straight about God, Christians and the Bible; thus they are forced to rely on talking points from idiots.

          • Atheist Adam

            So, where’s the skeletons of Adam and Eve and why are they depicted with belly buttons even though they weren’t born?

          • pastoredsmith

            Arguing with you, Atheist Adam, is like arguing with a sign post. Sorry, this discussion is over. If you want the truth, it is in the Bible. I suggest you read it. Your eternal future depends on it.

          • Atheist Adam

            And you keep being as ignorant as an ISIS member. 🙂

          • pastoredsmith

            ISIS? Really? Christians don’t behead people! Ignorance is found in false religions; especially in Islam and atheism.

          • Atheist Adam

            You must have forgotten the crusades and the inquisition.

            Atheism isn’t a religion xD

          • pastoredsmith

            If atheism isn’t a religion, why are there atheist “churches” forming? Yes, any place that is “religion free” is now “atheist.” No, I cannot forget the crusades and the inquisition. I’m sure you will see to that. But, show me one Christian, no matter how “extreme” they might be who believes the Bible teaches beheading. One that TODAY teaches stoning adulterers. Christianity does not teach those things. But, you already know that. You just love to poke and prod.

          • Atheist Adam

            You obviously don’t get that those “atheist churches” are just to mock religion while gathering money to actually help fund science. And there are christians wanting to behead Muslims in this country. Hell, I’m sure the kkk are wanting to round up some muslims to behead or just ruthlessly murder.

          • MC

            “You obviously don’t get that those “ theist churches” are just to mock religion”.

            So, atheists go to a gathering and “mock” religion and the people who are religious? Sounds more like a KKK meeting or something that atheist Joseph Stalin did to Christians before he murdered them. And speaking of the KKK, you atheists using the KKK as an example of Christianity is fallacious. The KKK’s dogma goes against essential Christian doctrine. Of course I wouldn’t expect you to know that. You say there are Christian’s who want to behead Muslims, in my 35 years as a Christian, I have never met one, do you have their names since you seem to know them? Are you saying that there are no atheists who want to behead Muslims? But, let me ask you a question, if a Muslim was trying to behead you or your family, would you let him or would you defend yourself by killing him? If you say you would do nothing then you’re either lying or a coward. And you really need to do scholarly research on the Crusades and what they were about. About the Spanish Inquisition, 3000 to 5000 people died during the Inquisition’s 350 year history. That’s 3000-5000 too many but nothing compared to the murders that atheist dictators did in a few years in modern history. And 20 people died during the Salem which hunts in it’s 1 year history, that’s 20 too many.

          • Phipps Mike

            dont forget the inquisition, Ed.

          • Ger Bear

            I see you jihad and raise you one crusade.

          • pastoredsmith

            Crusades are long past. Why can’t you let that go away? No Christian today lives in that nightmare. Atheists are such pagans.

          • Ger Bear

            If you do not learn from the past you are doomed to repeat it. Lets talk about current events then, like the rampant abuse of children by clergy members in the name of “god” or the countless church leaders who have been caught fleecing the flock or fornicating. All from people in “gods” approved marriages.

          • Phipps Mike

            Crusades may be past, but the seething hatred projected by certain fundamentalists are no better in how they try to destroy non believers lives.

          • MC

            Can you show verifiable evidence Christians are destroying non believers lives?

          • Phipps Mike

            have you been sleeping? you EVER read the papers or watch the news? How many times have Christians voted against same sex marriage thereby destroying the engaged people’s lives? How many times have you seen Christians trying to legislate the Bible putting further oppression on EVERYBODY’S lives? How many times have they made overzealous rules for public events, and how many books have they had banned? How many times have they attacked rock music and not even understanding what the lyrics meant? Then you have Fred Phelps although an extremist, DOES use the Bible as his justification to haunt the surviving families at funerals…and including children’s funerals and veterans. Christians need to get it into their noggins that “Congress shall make no law establishing a religion”. That’s cut and dry so they can just quit with the nonsense already.

          • MC

            So, you’re saying that atheists are destroying gay people’s lives? And the only people who think the Westboro Baptist Church is Christian is atheists and themselves.

          • Phipps Mike

            MC, you know full well that Christians echo Fred’s “fag hating” signs..etc.. They might not agree with the funeral crashing but they agree with his hatred of gays. There are hoardes more Christians going against gays than atheists do.

          • MC

            No, I don’t know. Who are these “Christians” that support these [email protected] hating signs” you speak of, can you show me verifiable evidence? Where is this “hatred” of gays? Maybe if you base your arguments on facts instead of emotions then you might have a case.

            “There are hoardes more Christians going against gays than atheists do.”

            Because there are more Christians than atheists, duh, but there are atheists who are against gay marriage based on nature. So the fact is that atheists are also against gay marriage.

          • MC

            It’s obvious you have no idea what the Crusades were about. Smh…

          • Paul1

            Pastoredsmith way to hang in there and argue for God! Remember no one can convince the fool of his foolishness nor grind it out of him. Those who reject God such as Atheist Adam hate God with most of their being. Just think when they die and if they haven’t been saved, how freaked out they will be when they DO see HIM. Weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth are probably in Atheist Adam’s future, to bad but really sad.

          • James Grimes

            Seriously, these clowns have nothing else to live for other than to be hostile to Christians. We should not give them the attention they so pathetically crave.

          • pastoredsmith

            I agree with that in principle. But, when these idiots shove it down our throats to the point they are threatening our religious freedoms in the USA, I feel it necessary to stand up. That is my only motivation in being here. I didn’t ask for this war. It was forced upon us by pagans.

          • Atheist Adam

            How is trying to get “one religious” rule out of the government before it becomes like the middle east “shoving down your throats”? LOL arrogance. It’s YOUR “god” on OUR money. It’s YOUR “god” in OUR pledge. THAT’S what shoving down OUR throats. It’s unconstitutional for the government to favor one religion over another, yet many politicians are doing just that which should be getting them fired. You mentioned pagans but forget christmas and easter being pagan holidays CENTURIES before your religion was even thought of.

          • Phipps Mike

            James, just because YOU choose to be passive doesn’t mean that Ed has to.

          • MC

            “Arguing with you, Atheist Adam, is like arguing with a sign post.”

            My money is on the sign post for an intelligent argument based on facts instead of his silly emotions.

          • Paul1

            HAHAHA Where are the skeletons of Adam and Eve, seriously?? OMG that one makes me laugh, good one to prove Atheism is superior to all religions!!! With that type of logical deduction and reasoning Atheists around the world will prove be able to prove that nothing every existed. /facepalm

          • pastoredsmith

            That is not only stupid, it is completely ridiculous. And, I thought you clowns decry that atheism “is not a religion.” Can’t make up you mind? It is your logic that is flawed. There are many people who died and their bones are not found. And, you can use your /facepalm against yourself where it belongs.

          • Paul1

            That’s what I was trying to point out to AtheistAdam pastord, that his logic is flawed. My sarcasm was aimed at his comment about finding the skeletons of Adam and Eve.

          • pastoredsmith

            Thanks for the clarification. I misinterpreted your comment.

          • Phipps Mike

            Ed, I really am losing interest in you when you call people names. it discredits your claim of being a Pastor…REALLY. What Church are you a Pastor at?

          • MC

            I know right? LOL! I have to blog that one, that’s got to be the dumbest thing I heard an atheist say. Don’t forget, he also said that, “They are always depicted with bellybuttons”. LOL! Then again, all of their arguments are pretty sad, but this, this goes in a whole new category of stupid.

          • Jack Rohde

            If they didn’t exist why would you look for them?

          • Phipps Mike

            what kind of Pastor calls people “idiots”. Are you self ordained?

          • MC

            If you’re being an idiot then you will be called an idiot, nothing wrong with that.

          • Phipps Mike

            MC, my father in law is a Pastor and after 5 years of observing, I have yet to ever hear him call somebody a derogatory name.

          • MC

            You may not have heard it but that doesn’t mean he didn’t. Plus, calling a person an idiot who is being an idiot is not derogatory, it’s truth..

          • Phipps Mike

            Full Definition of IDIOT
            1
            usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation
            2
            : a foolish or stupid person
            — idiot adjective

            offensive=derogatory

          • MC

            And if a person is foolish then they will be called on it, it’s only derogatory if there is no basis or evidence for it. Sorry, you lose.

          • Phipps Mike

            MC, you are missing the entire crux of what started the disagreement. PastorED was being inappropriate in the role of a Pastor by using derogatory names. Had he said that ” thus they are forced to rely on talking points from ignorant people”, THEN he would have been appropriate. Ignorant just means without knowledge on that certain subject and is therefore not derogatory. Foolish also is acceptable. PastorEd gave up his right to being offensive when he became a man of the cloth. I WIN.

          • MC

            “PastorEd gave up his right to being offensive when he became a man of the cloth.”

            Are you really this obtuse? ALL Christians are Saints in the Body of Christ, he wasn’t being offensive, he was speaking the truth. If you are being an idiot then you will be called an idiot, if you’re being a fool then you will be called a fool, if you are being ignorant then you will be called ignorant. He is doing right, he is calling a spade a spade. Just because your feelings got hurt is irrelevant, truth doesn’t care about your feelings. You seem to be the only one offended, maybe you need to have thicker skin and stop being weak minded. Words don’t cease to exist because you become a Christian. Now, if your feelings got hurt then why don’t you follow this simple rule, don’t be an idiot. You won nothing, but you make yourself out to be a fool with every post.

          • Phipps Mike

            For trying to appear so perfectly smart, you are a TOTAL failure. Before running your mouth, know the facts, first. He didn’t call ME an idiot. He was referring to Atheist Adam and it was in his reply TO Atheist Adam. I just stepped in because I am RIGHT and YOU ARE WRONG about men of the cloth. My original statement still stands, he gave up his right, period…end of story. Men of the cloth are to be people that are role models for God and all things biblical. I suppose you forgive the Catholic priests who molested children.
            I have very thick skin and could probably eat you for breakfast even with your loser avatar you wear,
            I have no problem with anybody EXCEPT men of the cloth calling names.
            You want me to call a spade a spade? Ok, you are a clueless republicant idiot who has already lost. The liberals and Democrats in this country have already WON. Lower your silly loser avatar and stop the self embarrassment you have already put onto yourself. 30 states now allow same sex marriage and all 50 will within time. Once again…I WIN. Now go crawl back under your rock after you remove the conservative stick out of your butt. PUNK.

          • MC

            “For trying to appear so perfectly smart”

            A child appears totally smart next to your posts.

            “you are a TOTAL failure.”

            Stop projecting your failures and weaknesses onto others.

            “Before running your mouth, know the facts, first. He didn’t call ME an idiot.”

            I know perfectly well who he was talking to, but you were the only one who got offended because you’re thin skinned. It’s your posts that proves your an idiot.

            “just stepped in because I am RIGHT and YOU ARE WRONG about men of the cloth.”

            No, you are STILL wrong, and all your crying, silly feet stomping, and pants wetting will not change that fact.

            “My original statement still stands, he gave up his right, period…end of story.”

            He’s still has his rights, he’s still a Pastor, your opinion is irrelevant, period… end of story.

            “Men of the cloth are to be people that are role models for God and all things biblical.”

            Yes, and if you’re being an ignorant idiot then you will be called on it. Your opinion is irrelevant.

            “I suppose you forgive the Catholic priests who molested children.”

            And this has what to do with your already failed argument? I guess you forgive all the murderous atrocities committed by atheist leaders in history?

            “I have very thick skin and could probably eat you for breakfast even with your loser avatar you wear,”

            All your posts, especially this one, shows you are very thin skinned and weak minded. And the only thing you can eat for breakfast is another doughnut.

            “I have no problem with anybody EXCEPT men of the cloth calling names.”

            Poor baby, sounds like a personal problem. Go seek out a mental health professional.

            “You want me to call a spade a spade?” Ok,

            So, you agree with my argument. Call a spade a spade.

            “Lower your silly loser avatar and stop the self embarrassment you have already put onto yourself.”

            What’s with your silly obsession with my avatar? Go seek a mental health professional to help you work through it.

            “30 states now allow same sex marriage and all 50 will within time.”

            And this has what to do with your already failed argument?

            “I WIN.”

            Yes, you win the award for the most foolish person on this site. Good job!

            “Now go crawl back under your rock after you remove the conservative stick out of your butt.”

            What is your obsession with my butt? You might want to seek out a mental health professional to help you with your latent desires.

            “ PUNK.”

            I love it when a person tries to act big and tough from behind a computer screen, the fail is epic!

          • Phipps Mike

            shouldn’t talk that way to somebody that could hand your own ass to you.
            I would love to meet you face to face.
            Bet you would shut your pie hole right quick.
            Tell ya what, I live in Racine, Wisconsin, I can be found easy enough, come visit and see what happens.
            You are a waste of oxygen on this planet (like most Republicans are). You don’t deserve to leave a carbon footprint on earth.
            If anybody here is a keyboard warrior, its you.

          • MC

            “shouldn’t talk that way to somebody that could hand your own ass to you.”

            Well, when I meet someone who can “hand my own ass to me”, I’ll let you know.

            “I would love to meet you face to face.”

            Sorry, I’m not gay. I’m sure there are a lot of gay guys you can cruise on the internet.

            “Bet you would shut your pie hole right quick.”

            Think again wanna be tough guy, I’m not afraid of any man.

            “Tell ya what, I live in Racine, Wisconsin, I can be found easy enough, come visit and see what happens.”

            I feel bad for Racine, Wisconsin. I didn’t know they had such a thin skinned weak minded person living there.

            “You are a waste of oxygen on this planet (like most Republicans are). You don’t deserve to leave a carbon footprint on earth.”

            Hmmm, you, like your opinions, are irrelevant.

            “If anybody here is a keyboard warrior, its you.”

            I already told you little man, don’t project your failures and weaknesses on to others.

          • Phipps Mike

            already told you in the other article that my WIFE is an advocate with a non profit org. WIFE meaning FEMALE (and born that way). Gays deserve just as many rights as anybody else and newsflash. MOST straight liberals back that.
            I really doubt you are superman or Chuck Norris so don’t flatter yourself. I’d lay bets I am bigger than you, so your use of “little” is inapplicable.

          • MC

            “already told you in the other article that my WIFE is an advocate with a non profit org. WIFE meaning FEMALE (and born that way).”

            Does you “wife” know that you seem to have latent desires based on your posts?

            “Gays deserve just as many rights as anybody else and newsflash.”

            They already have the same rights as everyone else.

            “MOST straight liberals back that.”

            “Liberals”? yes, “straight”, Hmmm…

            “I really doubt you are superman or Chuck Norris so don’t flatter yourself.”

            I never said I was, I said I’m not afraid of any man, and I’m really not.

            “I’d lay bets I am bigger than you, so your use of “little” is inapplicable.”

            So, you’re obese, huh? You should go on a diet.

          • Phipps Mike

            all insults aside:
            1. my wife supports gay rights as vehemently as I do.
            2. once again, straight people DO believe in equal rights. Gays don’t have the right to marry in currently, 19 States.

            I often wonder why Christians have such a hard time believing that other people can and do think differently than themselves and have a right to do so.

            You think all people who support gays have to be gay themselves? By that reasoning, I should have to be a woman to believe in women’s right, I have to be black to support minority rights, I have to be a child to support child advocacy…etc…etc…
            Do you see the problem with your reasoning?

            Just because the homosexual ACT disgusts me, doesn’t mean that I don’t support their rights to having ALL of the same rights WE do.

            By faith, I was raised a Christian and do you know what the Bible teaches: EQUALITY and goodwill towards your fellow man. None of this Republican hoity toity (as long as I have mine) nonsense. I’m surprised that Republicans don’t have a cash register at the Christmas tree to charge their kids for the presents they get because “nothing is for free”. I can go on all day about the sickness of Republicans and their greediness.

          • Sha-wei

            One of your own avatars, Phipps, that you have given the unlikely name of “DuneDude” (and from the content of some of his comments, I perceive that he/you appear under other names as well – “DavidHart”, etc.), a loyal servant of S_ _ _N and an abject blasphemer (the like of which I shall never quote):

            “As a Christian pastor, I take umbrage at your silly comment.”

            “As an ordained Christian minister, I find your knowledge of both Christianity and humanism
            lacking.”

            “…the trouble the courts and others went to to let these idiots know…”

            “…neither are the other simpletons who post here.”

            “Looking for friends you own age who are also idiots?”

          • James Grimes

            I had blocked this clown when CNN was linked to Facebook. Just ignore him. He is so full of himself.

          • Sha-wei

            I’m afraid that’s not all he is full of, but also of the spirit of the antichrist, as manifested through his many impersonations on these forums.

          • James Grimes

            What other names does this clown use?

          • Sha-wei

            As I posited on another forum some time ago, this individual forms part of a team of infiltrators and disruptors to be found in every Christian online forum, and, come to think of it, in every Christian congregation as well (as prophesied and warned of).

            I believe that, apart from “DuneDude”, “DavidHart”, “Peter’s Legacy”, “Eskimo Man”, “Stargate Dan”, there are several personas that these individuals assume; look for similar tone and style in their diction, favourite talking points, assiduous Biblical references – largely misapplied, a plethora of information from secular sources to reinforce their arguments, and other clues that a trained eye can detect. And one develops a knack for these things, too, brother.

          • Phipps Mike

            Sha-wei. you are a clueless LYING loser. I have NEVER used another name and this is the ONLY Christian site I EVER comment on. Get a life, punk. And NOBODY else uses MY pic as an avatar, You are FULL of BS yourself.

          • Phipps Mike

            I don’t understand ANYTHING you said in the first 3 paragraphs of your reply to me, Sha-wei. I am going to ASSUME you are accusing me of using other names. If you are, you are wrong, I only use my own name and would say to anybody’s face in person, the same things I say in here. BTW, my avatar is a REAL pic of myself taken at my moms house last summer.

          • SashaC

            You need to look up the definition of the word “fact” before you call other people idiots. Then look up the word “irony.”

          • BarkingDawg

            If man was created in God’s image, does that mean God has a penis?

          • Phipps Mike

            exactly. God is a SPIRIT, NOT a man, nor a woman. God is SEXLESS yet the Bible will have its disgusting patriarchal ways spread as truth. How do we know that God really isn’t closer to being FEMALE?

          • Sheesh

            The idea that any human being would take you seriously is mind numbing.

          • James Grimes

            Pastor, ignorance among The Useless who stalk this forum is rampant.

          • pastoredsmith

            Fully agree, James. Ignorance abounds in those who refuse to accept the truth about God.

          • Jack Rohde

            I’m ready to start throwing.

          • Sheesh

            Of course you are, what else would a good christian do when they can no longer defend their sanity. Hello, violence!

          • pastoredsmith

            Violence? No. Fight back against these vehement and virulent attacks? Absolutely

          • Sheesh

            Since you’ve proven yourself to be a mindless, brainwashed fool, I am not surprised that a) you do not understand what “throwing” means and b) my comment was not even directed at you……well done .

          • pastoredsmith

            I can always tell when fools lose the debate. They stoop to what they are best at. Calling names and attempting to crucify the messenger when he brings the accurate message. You’re really not good at sarcasm. Why don’t you try something else? Perhaps that is all you know.

          • Sheesh

            What sarcasm?

          • Phipps Mike

            OMG….project much, Ed? you started it with the “idiot” bit.

          • James Grimes

            This creature is good for calling Christians names and questioning people’s mental health. Since he has violated the forum’s rules of behavior, I have reported him to the administrators. His social skills are a bit lacking. He must have been abused as a child.

          • Sheesh

            I can always depend on you for a good laugh.

          • Phipps Mike

            James….pay attention…PastorEd STARTED the name calling by using the word idiot. Did you report him too? I doubt it.

          • Atheist Adam

            Marriage is being destroyed by couples in love, but not by divorce? Hmmm…

      • Sheesh

        Pastor Ed is a black man. Once again a Christian molds their belief around what they want to believe. Slavery, nothing about slavery in the bible….right. The irony, the pure unabated hypocrisy is astounding. “I don’t like being discriminated against, but I’m fine with discriminating against others, because the bible, in my opinion, says it’s ok and thats a fact”

        • BarkingDawg

          Ah, so he is a hypocrite who is deliberately ignoring the history of racism and discrimination in the anti- miscegenation laws of 50 years ago.

          God hates hypocrites.

        • pastoredsmith

          Your idiocy continues to flow with every word. It matters not my skin color. FACT: Christians mold their beliefs around the infallible Word of God, not opinion or man-made “reasoning,” that is actually nothing but ignorant mumbo-jumbo. Slavery? Yes there is plenty about slavery in the Bible. It acknowledged it. It talks about the attitude of ALL people, be they slave or free. It is amazing how poor your understanding of the Bible is for one to be pretending to be an expert. The “unabated hypocrisy” as you call it, comes from those who hate God and try to extinguish Him from the public arena and replace Him with “godlessness” (translation: atheism). I suggest you read the Bible if you want to be more intelligent in your argument. But, you would never do that because you know you would find truth that would turn your life around.

          • Sheesh

            How can I hate something that I do not believe exists? I do on the other hand hate the fact that certain Christians use their belief to justify their own hatred towards others that are different. That is what you are doing, make no mistake.

          • pastoredsmith

            Really? You claim you don’t hate God, yet you are here spouting your anger and virulent propaganda and left-wing talking points. You ARE angry with God because He is the only major target in your sights. And, I’m sorry you hate me because I believe and teach the truth. Not knowing and acknowledging Christ as Lord and Savior….that is your mistake.

          • Sheesh

            Pastor Ed is the former Chairman and current Board Member of the Evangelical Christian Credit Union, the largest financier of church and ministry loans in the United States, with over $1 billion under asset management.

          • pastoredsmith

            No, the hidden identity known as “sheesh” is making things up as he goes. More proof he knows nothing about nothing.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” left-wing talking points” shame on you for turning religion into politics.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Conservatives sure were saying that about the “unnatural sin of miscegenation” and “mongrelizaiton” back when I was young…despite that only a few percentage of the population was OK with “mixed race” marriages.

        By 1967 when the Supreme Court outlawed anti-miscegenation laws, only the Bible Belt still had them on the books…though it took until 2000 for Alabama to remove that racist law, if memory serves.

    • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart

      Right. The ascent wasn’t caused by slavery nor segregation. It wasn’t caused by the obliteration of our indigenous people. Nor was it caused by numerous unnecessary wars. But a few gay people getting hitched is Armageddon.

      Please.

    • James Grimes

      Pastor Smith, Christians still have marriages (blessed by God), but “marriages” are a side show in the circus of atheism and homosexuality. This is where the deviants perform a delusional version of reality.

  • BarkingDawg

    Well, that’s it.

    The remaining state bans won’t last long, and they won’t be stayed either.

    Marriage equality will exist in all 50 states within a few short months.

    And then?

    . . . Life will go on as usual.

    • Sha-wei

      Blind as moles, ignorant as mules, do you think you are winning anything over
      the imperishable church of Christ? (Don’t you know there are victories that, upon the losers’ demise, reveal themselves LOSSES, to the victors’ surprise?) Don’t you see that you are merely fulfilling what was prophesied long ago?

      So iniquity abounds? We expect it. Have we “become your enem(ies), because
      (we) tell you the truth”? A pity, that. Has the spirit of the antichrist given you reason to exult in your service to it? The eventual fruits you reap will have
      you “gnawing (your own) tongues in agony and curs(ing) the God of heaven” even more than now, exultation long since forgotten.

      Times can only get darker for the faithful, but fleetingly so, since we “understand…the present time. The hour has already come for (us) to wake up from (our) slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here.” While night reigns, you unbelievers must prevail, but with the new dawn, your victories (and whoever still clings to them) turn to dust.

      • BarkingDawg

        You lost.

        Live with it.

        • pastoredsmith

          No, you lose. Without Christ, there is no victory at all.

        • Sha-wei

          “Listen, what good does it do you if you gain everything—if the whole world is in your pocket—but then your own life slips through your fingers and is lost to you?” (VOICE) Like a hapless fish that, viewing the juicy morsel and thinking it a prize catch in the dim corners of its tiny brain, finds itself soon flopping helplessly as the fisherman reaches down to pick it up, remove the cruel, concealed HOOK from its quivering mouth and throw it indifferently into a bucket for later consumption, you are swallowing the bait the Adversary is proffering. We are not.

          Your joy will be short, that is sure. See that clock ticking on the wall yonder? Yes, tic, toc, and your life is winding down as you read this, as inexorably as a wick that burns itself out. You and I have been given only one candle each, but I choose to work with the master candle-maker himself, who will give me a candle that will never burn out. Your master has only a hook for you, which, I see, is serving its purpose well.
          Indeed, “what advantage do people have if they gain the whole world for themselves yet perish or lose their lives?”

          Your self-hatred is evident from the avatar you have chosen, “dog”, and you are no better than that for the enemy of your “soul” (your self-awareness, personality, thoughts – YOU). Keep on swallowing your savoury worm, and you may yet taste the line and sinker as well. Or “make teshuva”, turn 180 degrees and start off in the opposite direction, and join me in rejoicing that history is unfolding as it should: “You will find trouble in the world—but, never lose heart, I have conquered the world!” Tic, toc… “Rejoice in the Lord always; and again I say, “Rejoice!”

    • pastoredsmith

      SCOTUS does not have the authority to change God’s law for mankind! No matter what is “legal,” the definition of right and wrong will never change.

      • BarkingDawg

        It is evil and wrong to discriminate against someone because of whom they love.

      • Dan Summers

        The definition of right and wrong has changed over time. Slavery used to right and moral! People used to use the Bible to support their beliefs and views as to why one race was superior to another. Now we see slavery for what it is…evil.

        Now homosexuality which was once seen as evil and foul. As a mental illness, and was illegal. People using the Bible to support their beliefs in it being evil and wrong. As to why they should be able to deny the same rights they enjoy to another human being. This was once thought of as good and moral…but now we realize that line of thinking is just wrong!

        You don’t follow all of Gods laws now…so why focus on this one and ignore the others?

  • BarkingDawg

    Deal with it and move on.

  • Gregory Peterson

    Interesting that in the Orwellian world of the religious-right, letting consenting, tax paying, unrelated adults marry is “destroying marriage.”

    • pastoredsmith

      The Orwellian world, as you call it, is in the atheist community. Destroying marriage comes when the very definition of the sacred and divine institution of marriage is redefined as “anything goes.”

      • Gregory Peterson

        I don’t see how marriage is imperiled by expanding the franchise to tax paying, mutually consensual, non-related adults who want to be legally responsible for their partners and families.

        What is it with “conservatives” disparaging the relationships of “the other” and disrespecting the concept of “consenting adults.” (Granted, that concept is largely absent from the Bible…but…)

        The conservatives back when I was young confidently predicted that if “mixed race” marriages became accepted and legal, people would be marrying children and pets. God would bring down judgment upon America.

        When you don’t respect and treat minority adults like the tax paying, trying to be responsible adult citizens that they are, you probabl9y deserve to live in the foul conservative stew pot of the politics of conspiracy theories, privilege, resentment and fear of “the other.”

      • Dan Summers

        Did Jesus say anything about Homosexuality? Anything at all? No he did not. But what did Jesus say about Divorce? He was very much against it. So why do churches not demonize the divorcees like they do the homosexuals? The answer is money, most congregations would lose about 1/2 members if they persecuted divorced people like they do homosexuals. Divorce is destroying marriage…not same sex marriage.

        And its Holy Matrimony that is the divine institution. Marriage is Secular…it has existed long before any of our religions existed.

  • James Grimes

    Same sex “marriage” will still be looked upon as abnormal and disgusting by decent people. These deviant unions still cannot produce children. There is no way of getting around that fact. In the end, man’s law is meaningless in God’s eyes and among Bible – believing Christians.

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      I’m sorry that you feel that way, but you are in the minority now as far as the general US population. Also, the converse is true — God’s law is meaningless in man’s (the government / non-religious people) eyes. You cannot push the Bible onto people who are not religious.

      • James Grimes

        LOL. I’m not interested.

        • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart

          Perhaps you should be. Intellectual curiosity is the engine that drives critical thinking.

          • Atheist Adam

            David, looking for knowledge is a sin in the bible thus christians are extremely closed minded. Just look at the Adam and Eve story. They get banned from eating off the tree of knowledge.

          • Paul1

            Looking for knowledge in the Bible would prove to anyone that homosexuality is a Sin. But sinful men will look for any excuse to commit their crimes going to the point of calling Good Evil and Evil Good.

          • Atheist Adam

            Sin is made up to keep people from being themselves/overturning governments.

          • Heel2013

            if sin doesn’t exist, then please explain why everything in world isn’t perfect, how did good and evil come into the world, by whose standards is good and evil measured from,how did death come into the world and why did it come into the world?

          • Paul1

            Good then its legal to kill an Atheist for their stupidity!

          • SashaC

            Critical thinking is the mortal enemy of religion.

          • James Grimes

            Let me put it more bluntly in case you haven’t figured it out yet. I have no interest in anything an atheist has to say. I have no tolerance for them. Their opinions on this site are meaningless. Their presence here is insignificant. They hate anything Christian, but when everything is said and done, they are cowards. They are useless.

        • BarkingDawg

          No one cares what interests you.

        • SashaC

          This seems to be your response when you have no rebuttal. You don’t really think no one else has noticed that, do you? I picture you closing your eyes tightly, putting your fingers in your ears and screaming, “I’m not listening!” repeatedly, like a petulant child. It’s highly amusing, thank you.

      • Paul1

        For those who don’t believe in God it doesn’t matter, God still exists. There are few people who will accept the Truth (The Bible) and there will be many who will reject it. But as you say, those who oppose homosexual marriage are in the minority and as time goes on this is proving to be true. However God said those who will seek Him will be few and those who reject Him will be many. The news is proving this everyday, more and more, what the Bible has said about the future is coming true.

        • Atheist Adam

          “God still exist”

          You must have a Nobel prize for having physical evidence of god and have shown god to people

    • Atheist Adam

      Easy there. Don’t start beheading gays or any non christian.

    • Phipps Mike

      “These deviant unions still cannot produce children. There is no way of getting around that fact. ”

      marriage is not exclusively for the purposes of reproduction and in fact God would probably frown on TOO MUCH reproduction. The world is WAYYYY overpopulated right this minute.

    • BarkingDawg

      Whatever.

      You will be a stinking minority as people realize that marriage equality has no impacts on their lives.

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart

    I guess they can stop using the scare quotes around the word marriage. Marriage is what the state recognizes as marriage.

    BTW, since the assent of only four justices is required to review a case this means that at least six of the justices declined. Thus it wasn’t just the usual four liberals plus Kennedy.

    • C.P. Steinmetz

      Let us use quotes properly; it is “Religion” and “Truth” and “God”. This way, everyone will know that it is just the beliefs of certain people, without logical or evidential foundation.

      • Reason2012

        It’s illogical that a watch is proof of an intelligent designer? Hardly. It’s illogical to pretend something millions of times more complex than a mere watch “just happened”.

        Psalms 14:1 “To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.”

        • Atheist Adam

          The flaw in “intelligent design” fallacy, if EVERYTHING needed a “designer”, then who “designed” god?

          See the flaw?

          • Reason2012

            Not at all – in the “there is no supernatural” world-view, that is a flaw to pretend something existed forever and did not need a creator, OR to instead believe nothing created something, which is the flaw those who reject God have to deal with.

            IN the world-view that the supernatural exists, it’s logical with that worldview to believe something existed for an eternity and required no creator.

            So why do you believe there is no supernatural but believe either something existed for an eternity and required no creator, OR that nothing can create something?

          • Atheist Adam

            Actually, it’s religious people like you that believe nothing(god) created something. Try to actually read up on the big bang theory. At least big bang is a theory like gravity. Your mythology is only a hypothesis.

          • Reason2012

            What created the big bang? What created what created that? And on and on? You either arrive at nothing (nothing created something) or you instead believe there was something that existed for an eternity and required no creator. You’re being deceived.

          • Krauss Allie

            Reason2012, you asked what created the big bang? We don’t know. We think the expansion event (the Big Bang) may have been an inevitable certainty given the likely instability inherent in the singularity. The problem is that the answers seem to lie somewhere between the Planck time and the beginning of the expansion, a period of only a couple microseconds that we can’t actively investigate.

            The notion of what “caused” anything at this point is inherently faulty, as there was no time “before”, and therefore, no cause and effect. You are making the layman’s error of associating contemporary physics with an event that took place with the current laws of the universe not yet being in effect.

            You said: “You either arrive at nothing (nothing created something) or you instead believe there was something that existed for an eternity and required no creator.”

            I’m truly very sorry you have such a limited imagination, but this is a false a dichotomy as I’ve ever seen, and besides, what’s wrong with the concept of something existing eternally without a need for a creator? Doesn’t your God fit this description? Unfortunately for you, the multiverse also fits this description, the only difference being the latter has the physical and mathematical models to back it up.

            Two things are clear from your post. Atheist Adam hasn’t been deceived, and you haven’t been properly educated on the materials you choose to argue. If you’re going to claim ‘reason’ in your screenname, then I hope in the future you’ll try your hand at actually applying some. Good day.

          • Reason2012

            Hello. “We don’t know?” No, the fact is in a world-view of “nature is all there is”, if you go back far enough in time, one of two things must happen:

            (1) Either you arrive at nothing, which means you must believe “nothing can create something”, or denying (1) you must instead believe:

            (2) That something required no craetor and existed for an eternity

            Both are supernatural beliefs in a world-view that denies the supernatural, which means that world-view creates a contradiction and is hence false.

            Not to mention believing in 100X worse than that which you condemn, which is hypocritical.

            You say “The nothing of what ’caused’ anything at this point is inherently faulty, as there was no time ‘before’, and therefore, no cause and effect”

            More mythological storytelling, suspending the observable laws of nature in a most humorous display of storytelling.

            If you want to invoke such claims, then when you ask what created God, then presto: “The nothing of what ’caused’ anything at this point is inherently faulty, as there was no time ‘before’ God created our universe in this reality of His, and therefore, no cause and effect”

            Then of course the second half of your discourse is nothing more but ad hominem attacks, proving your storyteling is not science and cannot stand on observations or testing and can only stand if any who dare point it out are silenced.

            You believe far worse than you condemn, including

            – Your great…….great grandparents were frogs (like the fairy tale by the same story, except instead of a kiss from a prince, you just need millions of years instead)

            – That nothing can create something or something existed for an eternity and required no creator

            – That bananas and human beings have the same great……great grandparents

            – That a watch (i.e., even one cell that is a million times more ingenious and irreducibly complex than a mere watch) could “just happen”.

            Willful ignorance, friend, let alone hypocrisy in believing far worse than you try to condemn.

            Take care.

          • SashaC

            That’s it, I’m calling Poe’s Law on this one after reading the last part of that post. This HAS to be a troll. If this isn’t a troll, I will lose all faith in humanity.

          • Krauss Allie

            I honestly don’t think I have the mental capacity necessary to rework my mind in such as a way as to be able to begin to address everything that is demonstrably wrong about your reply. I’m sorry you lack the education necessary to understand quantum events, but this is not my fault, and my calling out your ignorance on the subject matter certainly doesn’t equate to an ad-hom. You are disagreeing with some of the best minds in all of human history, and you’re doing it without even a cursory knowledge of the subject matter. Do you really think that’s a wise venture? You don’t know what you don’t know, but seven years post-grad study and a doctorate tell me I know some things you don’t, and I’m bright enough to know when it’s time to be quiet and listen from from somebody who knows much more than I do… this is how I learn. You really need to embrace knowledge rather than mock it…. you’re going against the grain here.

            Maybe later tonight after a couple glasses of wine, I’ll attempt to untangle your mess of incorrect assertions and ignorance and show you your errors, but I have a sneaking suspicion the actual truth isn’t what you’re after. Instead you seem more interested in tribal identification rituals and trying to appear wise amongst those who know no better. If I’m wrong, I apologize and I’ll do my best to answer, but I’m not wrong, am I? Tell me, do you already claim to have the answers? Are you so presumptuous to lay claim to the ‘truth’, because if you answer yes, the cognitive dissonance has already taken hold and I lack the power to bring you back to a rational discourse.

            -Dr. Krauss

          • Reason2012

            Hello, friend. It’s sad that your entire post is nothing but hateful ad hominem attacks and you did not refute a thing of what I said. Feel free to point out what’s wrong with what I posted, because two huge paragraphs of ad hominem attacks only prove you know you don’t have a point and that you may in fact be the one incapable of rational discourse.

  • Bill

    Our cowardly court in in-action….

    • Atheist Adam

      They’re cowardly because they allowed elections to be bought.

      You must not know the constitution. There can’t be laws made to discriminate against a group of people. Yes, gays are people.

  • Reason2012

    Doesn’t matter what mankind says – what laws mankind passes. Jesus pointed out that marriage is between one man and one woman:

    Matthew 19:4-6 “And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus even points out that for the cause of making them male and female, this is why male will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife.

    Mark 10:5-7 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (7) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;”

    Jesus said God made them male and female – not male and male – not female and female.

    Jesus said man shall leave father and mother, not father and father, not mother and mother.

    Jesus said man shall cleave to his wife, not to his husband, not to her wife.

    Not to mention Jesus is God, so the entire Word of God is the Words of Christ. As Jesus is The Word.

    John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

    The Lord rebukes us for our attempts to destroy what He defined as one man and one woman.

    It doesn’t work anymore to call any who do not agree with the attempts of activists to legally re-define morals as having a phobia or being a bigot – people are realizing those are the only hateful actions here.

    We need to get back to the truth of God.

    May God / Jesus Christ be glorified.

    • Atheist Adam

      “Jesus is god”

      So he’s his own dad?

      • Reason2012

        He goes by many names – doesn’t change who He is.

        • Atheist Adam

          So he’s incestual.

          • BarkingDawg

            Like Adam and Eve’s children.

      • pastoredsmith

        Ignore the ignorant atheist. He only knows that he wants to win some converts, but he is losing the debate miserably since tries to interpret the Bible that he knows nothing about.

      • Phipps Mike

        holy trinity=the father, the son, and the holy ghost. All together as one spiritual entity.

  • Jack Rohde

    The Arab world calls us the big satan, looks pretty accurate to me, but they should know they are under his spell.

    • BarkingDawg

      The Arab world is under America’s spell?

      Really?

  • WorldGoneCrazy
  • Atheist Adam

    Here’s a list of things that the religious said would crumble society: banning slavery, believing in another religion, believing that the earth was a sphere, giving women the right to vote, giving black people the right to vote, interracial marriage, radio, movies, t.v., space travel…..just to name a few.

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      In their defense, television is horrible.

  • BarkingDawg

    Same sex marriage bans have been struck down in Idaho and Nevada.

    There will be parties in Vegas tonight.

  • BarkingDawg

    West Virginia will soon start allowing same sex marriages.

  • Gary

    To expect those of us who have a moral objection to homosexuality to accept same-sex marriage is unreasonable. We won’t do it.