Kirk Cameron Called to ‘Repent’ for Encouraging Christians to Celebrate Halloween

Kirk CameronKirk Cameron, who has been making appearances promoting a new documentary film, is now being called to repentance after raising concerns by statements he made encouraging Christians to celebrate Halloween.

Cameron, best known for his role as Mike Seaver on the 80’s TV sitcom Growing Pains, is on a mission, not only to save “Christmas,” but to also save Halloween according to a recent interview with The Christian Post.

During the interview, Kirk discussed his new film “Saving Christmas,” which attempts to debunk various concerns on the pagan origins of the holiday and encourages support for the various annual traditions from trees to Santa Claus. However, Cameron likewise encouraged Christians to celebrate Halloween, stating that “Christians should have the biggest Halloween party on your block.”

The actor explained his views by saying that “The real origins have to do with All Saints Day and all Hallows Eve.”

“If you go back to old church calendars, especially Catholic calendars, they recognize the holiday All Saints Day, with All Hallows Eve the day before, when they would remember the dead. That’s all tied to Halloween.”

Cameron went on to encourage Christians to participate in Halloween by dressing up and partying in order to show that Christians have the upper hand in the holiday.

“When you go out on Halloween and see all people dressed in costumes and see someone in a great big bobble head Obama costume with great big ears and an Obama face, are they honoring him or poking fun?” Cameron asked.

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Answering his own question, Cameron said, “They are poking fun at him.” He then went on to offer an explanation for why Christians should wear costumes and celebrate Halloween.

“Early on, Christians would dress up in costumes as the devil, ghosts, goblins and witches precisely to make the point that those things were defeated and overthrown by the resurrected Jesus Christ,” Cameron continued. “The costumes poke fun at the fact that the devil and other evils were publicly humiliated by Christ at His resurrection. That’s what the Scriptures say, that He publicly humiliated the devil when He triumphed over power and principality and put them under his feet. Over time you get some pagans who want to go this is our day, high holy day of Satanic church, that this is all about death, but Christians have always known since the first century that death was defeated, that the grave was overwhelmed, that ghosts, goblins, devils are foolish has-beens who used to be in power but not anymore. That’s the perspective Christians should have.”

Cameron also encourages Christians to celebrate Halloween by having the biggest parties in order to show that death was already defeated because of Jesus’ resurrection.

“You should have the biggest party on your block, and you should have the reason for everyone to come to your house and before anyone else’s house because yours is the most fun,” he argued.

“Halloween gives you a great opportunity to show how Christians celebrate the day that death was defeated, and you can give them Gospel tracts and tell the story of how every ghost, goblin, witch and demon was trounced the day Jesus rose from the grave. Clearly no Christians ought to be glorifying death, because death was defeated, and that was the point of All Hallows Eve.”

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Mike Gendron of ProclaimingtheGospel.org, however, told Christian News Network that he does not agree, stating that the historical origins of Halloween are connected to the pagan practices of Roman Catholicism, and that its affiliations are far removed from biblical Christianity.

“The two faiths are diametrically opposed to one another,” Gendron stated. “I strongly disagree with Kirk Cameron and would encourage him to avoid celebrating anything that has to do with the pagan practices of the apostate Roman Catholic Church,” he said.

Gendron explained that according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the origin of All Hallows Eve goes back the the 11th century Catholic monks who set aside a day to pray for the dead.

“Very quickly a tradition of baking cakes for deceased people emerged. People would go to cemeteries at nightfall to kneel at the graves of their loved ones, and to anoint the hollow of the tombstone with holy water,” Gendron continued.

Gendron is concerned that the connections with the pagan holiday originated because of Catholicism’s fabrication of a place called purgatory where Catholics must go after they die to have their sins purged by fire before they could enter into heaven.

“The reason Martin Luther posted his 95 thesis on a church door on Oct. 31, 1517 was because the very next day, All Saints Day, Catholics would be coming to the church to venerate the bones and relics of dead ‘saints’. The Castle Church of Wittenberg had over 1900 relics of dead ‘saints’ on display. Catholics were granted indulgences for the remission of sins if they venerated the relics and made confession of their sins. This practice of necromancy is strictly forbidden by God who commands us ‘Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them’ (Leviticus 19:31). ‘Whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord’ (Deut. 18:9-12).”

Gendron admonished Cameron to repent of his message that encourages Christians to celebrate Halloween.

“Kirk Cameron needs to repent of his message that urges Christians to participate in this dark holiday that glorifies the devil, ghosts, goblins and witches. Furthermore, the celebration of Halloween obscures and overshadows the anniversary of the Reformation, one of the great dates of the Christian calendar,” Gendron stated. “On October 31st while Kirk Cameron is urging people to celebrate Halloween, our ministry will be encouraging people to remember the Reformers who were brutally tortured, murdered and burned at the stake by the Roman Catholic Church for defending the Gospel of Jesus Christ,” he concluded.

In a recent talk at Liberty University, Cameron associated criticisms on the pagan origins of holidays to Chinese food, using sarcasm to mock those who would object to celebrating over pagan concerns. Cameron ended the talk by stating that the earth is the Lord’s and everything it contains, everything God created is sacred, and the whole earth belongs to Him, implying that Christians are allowed to enjoy worldly traditions.

Gendron, however, counters Cameron’s stance: “Kirk needs to realize that Satan attempts led people astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ which is what Halloween has done (2 Cor. 11:3) For him to encourage people to have a little fun by taking part in the unfruitful works of darkness is not honoring to God or pleasing to the Lord Jesus Christ (Eph. 5:11).”


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  • Orthodoxdj

    I’m proud of Kirk. It sounds like he has matured. I hope he distances himself from Ray Comfort.

    • Guest

      You’re kidding, right? This stuff is right up there with Ray Comfort and his compromise (check out his book about the Beatles). It’d hardly call someone calling for people to dress like zombies and eat candy “mature”.

  • Sha-wei

    “For indeed, if a trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?”

    Therefore, brother, “whether it is right in the sight of God to listen to you rather than (to) God, you decide”.

    Kirk, you have been a stalwart defender of Truth. Reconsider now, and reset your present course; that is my prayer for you.

    • JimBob

      amen

    • JudgeRight

      Pre-trib rapture is not exactly the truth. His reconsidering has to start earlier than his current Halloween defense.

      • Guest

        Since when is it necessary to repent for something that is not a salvation issue? Seems to me that this whole argument of Gendron’s (and all who align with his thinking) have a pretty legalistic view of what it means to be a Christian. Pre-trib? Post-trib? How about Pan-trib? I believe that everything will pan out the way God intends it to.

        I’ll see y’all in Heaven, where you’ll learn that there are LOTS more folks there than you think!

        Happy (belated) Hallowe’en, y’all!

        • rdowney

          I know some people, myself included, that have made some big blunders after being saved that we needed to repent of. If you lead people into something that is against God, I think that qualifies. Kirk should know better. He likes to celebrate many things and so wants to justify it to the world. He should know better.

      • wandakate

        Yes, you are correct, his pre-trib rapture version isn’t Biblical. There is NO foundation there to build that on. It’s a PRE-WRATH Rapture of the church. It happens at the 7th trumpet, just before the Wrath of GOD will be poured out onto the sinful world which are the last 7 judgments (the Bowl/Vial) judgments.
        The church IS NOT appointed to the wrath of GOD, therefore JESUS will appear at the 7th trumpet and remove the church…Kurt may mean well and he may be sincere, but he is sincerely WRONG!!!

        • JudgeRight

          Thank you for a brief, brilliant summary of the proper end time doctrine on the rapture. We can term it “post-trib, pre-wrath.” The church is not saved from the “wrath” (hateful, irrational, and ridiculous but doomed opposition) of the devil and sinners; this is persecution, while the church stands for the truth of God’s Word. The church, as the redeemed people of God, is saved from the wrath of God which no one will be able to endure.

          • wandakate

            Makes sense to me. Christians have been taught that they will be removed prior to the tribulation of those days. Prior to the antichrist or the mark of the beast. It’s pretty much all they know, it’s their comfort zone place and for some their escape route out of here before the poop hits the fan.
            The tribulation is “Christian” persecution and it is the wrath of satan (not the wrath of GOD).
            After that (all the seal and trumpet judgments), Then it’s the wrath of GOD, and they are those bowl/vial judgments (the last 7) and they are only for the unrepentant sinners on the earth at that time.
            Scripture says that the church is not appointed to the wrath of GOD. HE (JESUS) will come at the 7th trumpet and remove His church (the true Christians), not those hypocrites, or the pew warmers, or the ones that just showed in for all the wrong reasons as to socialize and network. NO, he’s looking for the ones that loved Him day and night and served Him and testified and witnessed and tried to love their neighbors as themselves regardless of who they were, young or old, able bodied or not. He will remove the ones who obeyed Him, not the ones who paid lip service to His commands.
            JESUS said, “If you love me, keep my commandments”.
            He also said, “Not everyone who says to me on that day, LORD, LORD, will enter the kingdom of GOD, but only the ones who do the will of the FATHER”. It was obedience that He wanted, love, faith, trust and obedience.
            People are counting on “hyper grace”, but We are saved by GOD’s grace, but we shall be judged by our “works”.
            James told us that faith without works is dead. Faith alone according to the book of James can’t save us.
            It’s a combination of Faith and Works that will get us into the kingdom of GOD for eternity.
            Thank you for the kind words, they mean a lot to me. Blessings…
            See Revelation 11:15-19 and that is where JESUS will appear and take possession of this evil world away from satan (the god of this world).

          • JudgeRight

            Amen! 🙂

  • Don Sbragia

    It never ceases to amaze and amuse me when Christians tell each other they’re not Christian enough…..

    • emastmagy

      Who is “Christian enough”? You? Me? Who among us can forgive at the height of his or her pain (let alone the next day)? I don’t personally believe there is anyone in this world who even reached the half mark of that nirvana scale of Christianity. Therefore when a person says :”They are not Christian enough” , they are not far from the truth.

      • areadirector

        A public reproof is not calling anyone “not Christian” enough. It’s just that, a reproof based on sound biblical evidence. Kirk should have never encouraged this practice. That doesn’t mean he is less than a Christian. Scripture calls time and time again for us to keep each other in check and to encourage one another in this race. Even if it means encouraging others to change their views.

      • wandakate

        EMASTMAGY: ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD… We are getting it right until the day we die. We’ll never be perfect, but we should strive to be and focus on doing what pleases GOD and not what pleases man. Man will fail you, GOD will not fail you.

      • areadirector

        And your argument is an argument from the defense of a fallen state. Conquerors, those walking according to the spirit, do not give defense from the fallen state no more than the runner elaborates on how he will lose a 5k Marathon. We are to encourage one another to run with diligence and determination. The bible says “Be ye holy as I am Holy”. This is a call for winning the race… and to have that mindset. The time to focus on falling short is only for the recognition of it and the solution which is to say “get back up, repent, and move forward again”. So put off the defeatist mentality and put on the victory in Christ spirit.

    • Guest

      Like you’re doing now, Don?

    • wandakate

      DON SBRAGIA: Wonder what they’ll tell JESUS on judgment day?

  • http://www.jesusgospelchurch.com/ Kirk W. Fraser

    Unfortunately in Oregon every property owner is forced to celebrate state Halloween because it lay between Property Tax time and Voting time. We get tricked or treated by our government. If we choose freedom and don’t pay our property gets taken. If we choose not to vote, we get some of the most incompetent, malfeasant, corrupt, and delinquent people to rule over us.

  • http://www.christianvideo4free.com/ Peter Stone

    Mike Gendron
    Mike Gendron
    Mike Gendron, thank you for taking a stand for Christ and God Bless You.

    Proverbs 25:11-
    A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver.

  • http://www.christianvideo4free.com/ Peter Stone

    Mike Gendron, thank you for taking a stand for Christ and God Bless You.

    Proverbs 25:11-
    A word fitly spoken is like apples of gold in settings of silver.

  • franklinb23

    Get a grip, Mike Gendron. It’s called “make believe”. No one’s going to turn into a demon cannibal merely because they dressed up as a zombie for Halloween.

    Why must religious fanatics take the fun out of everything?

    • Blake

      We’re not here to have fun. We are here to serve the most high God. Our creator. But what a beautiful thing it is when we do that. We don’t need the fun of the world…He gives us life more abundantly.

      • barry holbrook

        I am a believer and I am absolutely having fun. Fun is relative.

    • Guest

      Do you really see dressing up as a zombie as something “fun”?? Do you really think you can walk into Satan’s territory and not be burned?

      • cropchick

        We’re behind enemy lines all the time… and yes, some believers have JOY. I wouldn’t dress up as anything dark or evil. That I feel would glorify the dark and evil. That being said. Go, go back to your home, where you feel safe and comfortable…

        • Guest

          You don’t have to be holed up in a home to be safe. You have to be hidden in Christ. In order to be hidden in Christ, you need to be in obedience to Him. Dressing up in a costume to honor evil spirits isn’t being hidden in Christ, and partaking in pagan activities for fun isn’t the same thing as godly joy. That’s like saying the dancing and eating the Jewish people partook in when offering the golden calf is akin to David dancing before the Lord. You greatly err because You don’t know the Word of God nor the power of God. In the world, not OF it.

  • Tanya Worley

    Dear Pharisees, keep your laws and religion, I’ll keep my Jesus. “I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me, but not all things are beneficial for the kingdom.”
    It doesn’t matter if you celebrate halloween, as long as you have the right mindset that it’s just for fun. If I was going out and doing it for the sake of worshiping a false God, Satan, or doing it to hurt other people, it would be different. God knows everyone’s heart, and that’s how he’s going to judge us. Not by our works, how much or little we do, or not by laws, but by how much he sees Christ.
    Amen!

    • Guest

      But you are doing exactly what the Pharisees and Saducees did. They took their OWN rules (much like you are doing with your own rules on a pagan celebration) and used them in place of what the Bible says. The Saducees were as liberal as all get-out and they shared the same condemnation as the Pharisees. So who is the Pharisee here, Tanya?

    • joel

      Research what “christians” in the churches during the Holocaust did while trains filled with jews going to concentration camps, to ignore the screams from the people heading to their death… the “christians” in the church would would praise GOD even louder to drown out the jews crying for help… Cameron (I say this with love) is telling christians to party even harder on this pegan holiday where people are possibly getting sacrificed unto satan and rituals are being performed. I would like to be the first to say no to Hell……..HELL NO.

      • Martin

        You put pegan holiday I think you meant Vegan holiday…

      • wandakate

        JOEL: Kirk is still a young man, much to learn still. BUT, he is very WRONG on this topic and needs to do some more Bible studying to find the errors of his mistakes. He is encouraging SIN, and honoring satan whether he realizes it or not. I hope he will not lead people to hell, but if he keeps leaning towards all these Pagan Holidays that is exactly what he is going to be doing.

      • Debby
    • Matt

      Mote in your eye there much Tanya?

    • KR Taylor

      http://pennierenewed.blogspot.com/2013/09/an-open-halloween-letter-from-ex-pagan.html

      I have a few friends who self-identify as witches. The fact that their celebrations and observances look remarkably similar to your own should concern you. I was already in a place where I knew it wasn’t proper for my family to participate. Having witch friends confirmed it for me. Would Jesus participate in a Halloween / Samhain observance?

      • Jack Rohde

        Good point.

      • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

        Are they witches or Wicca?

    • Larry Aldrich

      Totally right! Well said and couldn’t agree more!!

    • Galvatron-L

      I agree… Pharisees is right. These people are delusional ego maniacle religious fanatics … showing plenty of condesending holier than thou ingorance but not at all the ways of true followers of Jesus. Get a life judgemental nit wits…

      • John_33

        If you believe in Jesus and the Word of God, then let’s look at Jesus’ words:

        “And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” ~ Mark 7:9-13

        The Pharisees didn’t obey God’s Word; they watered it down to fit their own rules – as some are doing today to justify Halloween. God didn’t call us to have fun; He called us to reprove the works of darkness and to separate ourselves from them. Participating in a holiday that celebrates devils, ghouls, evil, and death is not something that is pleasing to God, and He won’t be amused by the excuse that it was done for fun.

        “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” ~ 1 Thessalonians 4:7.

        “I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.” ~ Romans 12:1-2.

        • Ziggy

          John. You are trying to use these scriptures to support your opinion. Your opinion makes the assumption that Halloween is wrong, thus you are using scripture to support your own assumption. An assumption that is your own and not of scripture.

          • Guest

            There is no such thing as opinion when it comes to the Word of God. Either is is true or it is not. The Bible says to stay separate from sin and the world. Hallowe’en is part of that unclean culture. No Christian should take part in works of darkness.

          • John_33

            The Bible tells us to prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The way to do that is do what Jesus said – judge it by its fruit. What fruit does Halloween produce? Does it tend towards love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance? Or does tend towards adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like?

          • wandakate

            ZIGGY: You can say that b/c you DON”T KNOW SCRIPTURES…JESUS warned us to not celebrate as the heathens or Pagan do. We were told also not to cut down the evergreen tree and decorate it with silver and tie is down steady to the floor. We were told that light and dark have nothing to do with one another. WOULD JESUS CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN????

        • wandakate

          JOHN 33: This applies to “ALL” Pagan holidays, not just Halloween. JESUS didn’t die on a Friday either, or rise on a Sunday morning. That was the week of Passover, but Constantine named it Easter.
          And JESUS also wasn’t born on December 25th. It was too cold in the holy land at that time of year and all of the animals were in the barn. He was born more than likely in the early fall before they put the animals away for the winter.
          We celebrate MAN’s holidays, they are NOT holidays of JESUS.
          He had appointed feast days and Holy days that He wanted us to celebrate like Passover and the feast of unleavened bread and the feast of weeks and the rest, but we dropped all of those. They were NOT the feast of the Jews, but they were GOD’s appointed feast. We would rather celebrate Pagan holidays like Easter, Halloween and Christmas which have absolutely NOTHING at all to do with JESUS or anything Christian.

    • http://www.ulster-scots.co.uk/ Kilsally

      The stats show incidence rates of cult worship & animal sacrifices all rise at Halloween

      • Ziggy

        So! More crime happens during a full moon. Should Christians not look at the moon. Is your point that Christians shouldn’t celebrate Halloween because of an increase of cult worship? Maybe Christians shouldn’t celebrate Thanksgiving because there is a rise in suicides. Your point is ridiculous.

        • Guest

          You don’t make sense. Satanic crimes happen during Hallowe’en because they are a PART of Hallowe’en. Suicide isn’t a Thanksgiving tradition.

          • Ziggy

            You don’t understand. The point is that satanic crimes happen all of the time because of satan, not Halloween. If it was because of Halloween they would only be on Halloween. Unfortunately my analogy threw you.

          • Guest

            That doesn’t make sense. That’s like saying that since people get presents on days other than their birthdays, that their birthdays aren’t the reason they get presents on their actual birthdays. Hallowe’en is the high day of satanism, but of course they commit other acts on other days.

          • wandakate

            ZIGGY: That is true, crimes happen “all the time”, because of Satan, and b/c of the condition of people’s hearts. We are living in some hard times now, (called the last days of the age). BUT, please realize that Halloween is satan’s holiday, and crime and rituals and voodoo and black magic and tattooing parlors all see an increase on that day. Satanist love Halloween, that is their favorite time of the whole year, dark, and evil is what they crave…

          • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

            People have been saying that this is the last days for almost 2,000 years. I’ll believe it when it happens.

            Halloween has never been Satan’s Holiday. Never. It was believed by the Celts, and other earth based religions, that the veil between the worlds are the thinnest on All Hallows Eve. The candles in turnips (thank goodness we are past that one!) and dressing up in costumes was to scare the ghosts and other non-human beings to get them to stay away from them. It has never been about satan.

        • wandakate

          ZIGGY: Your way of seeing things is ridiculous…You need to get right with GOD and study your Bible, if you have one. You are seeing through a glass that has muddy water, it’s not clear thinking. You’re missing all these points. Are you reading these comments? Do any of them make sense to you?

    • http://www.ulster-scots.co.uk/ Kilsally

      Ear not talking about laws – the law convicts us of our sin, we are saved by Grace. Are you saying it is ok then because we are saved by grace, we can do things that are wrong? Point being there is nothing of Christ in Halloween, fireworks, vampires, zombies, ghouls, drunken parties etc etc

      • Ziggy

        Kilsally. Your whole point is predicated on the false assumption that Halloween is wrong. It is wrong if you make it wrong, much like anything else. By the way there is nothing of Christ in a fork. Does that make using a fork wrong? You sound like a Jehovah.

        • Guest

          Moral relativism is false. Culture shouldn’t define us. The Word of God should.

          • Ziggy

            The point has nothing to do with moral relativism. Nice try.

          • Guest

            Of course it has to do with moral relativism. You are trying to define right and wrong by popular culture, not by the Word of God.

        • wandakate

          ZIGGY: You sound like Kirk and say that bowing down to all these worldly holidays is okay. WWJD, just what would JESUS do with them? Would he agree that we could go ahead and do them? DOUBTFUL! The saved and the unsaved have NOTHING in common. Dark and light have nothing to do with one another.

    • Ziggy

      Exactly Tanya. Well said. Too many legalistic goofballs making comments here. Its where the heart is at that counts. What God intended for good can be perverted for bad, what satan meant for bad can be used for good. Halloween is such a great time to witness to people coming by. I hand out Bible tracks with the candy. Man did guest have a ridiculous comment.

      • Guest

        Perhaps you should loosen your Pharasaical hat. It appears to be too tight.

    • Frank

      You don’t know what a Pharisee is or was as is evidences by your nuance of the word, sadly. You misquote and misuse the Verse of doing all things and the verse you are wanting to misquote and misuse you leave out the parts after that say we are not free do all things through Christ If they cause another to sin. So your intentions of how you do anything do not in anyway justify participating n the altar of demons. Repent and come to Jesus.

    • wandakate

      TANYA WORLEY: NO, NO, AND NO…JESUS said that we will know them by their fruits (fruit means works/deeds) and how we see them behaving and acting and in this case (celebrating). And you said that He will judge by the condition of our hearts (true), but you also said that he won’t judge by our works, how much of little we do. Not bible. He said, “the harvest is plentiful but the workers are few”. Sounds like he was talking about works there doesn’t it? We are to be in the world Tanya, but NOT of the world. These pagan holidays are worldly, they are NOT of GOD at all. We will be judged by how well we obeyed GOD. We are saved by grace, BUT, we are judged by our works. Read James, he tells us all about works and salvation etc.

  • Blake

    The Lord just gave me a message on the topic of Halloween and the Church. Here’s the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaNaTuZuJsE

    • http://motherunit420.blogspot.com/ motherunit

      So, you’re saying that American kids trick or treating is the same as Syrian kids getting slaughtered by ISIS? Dude, you must live in a really bad neighborhood. A really bad neighborhood in Iraq.

    • Martin

      THe Lord? Halloween is a disctinctively US invention. The US must be evil….

  • Kelly Powell

    yes. we should all hide in our homes and let the devil have free reign on Halloween. wow idiots wake up. We are supposed to be out in the world spreading love to all. kirk Cameron was right. but if you all want to cower in your homes and sit in your churches go for it. I’ve led several ppl to Jesus on holidays and events that these stuffy old christian so called experts have told me not to attend.

    • Guest

      Have you really led them to the Lord, or have you led them to compromised religion? Just because people don’t celebrate Hallowe’en doesn’t mean they’re hiding in their homes. You have a very skewered, narrow-minded view of things.

  • david ramseur

    I think a good idea for Halloween is to have a model of Martin Luther posting his 95 thesis to your front door as a decoration honoring the birth of the reformation on Oct. 31st. Then when the kiddos from the neighborhood come to your door you can give out candy with gospel tracts attached to them. A different tract for each different kind of candy.

    • http://motherunit420.blogspot.com/ motherunit

      Or, you can just put a sign on your door saying, “Please egg my house!”

      • david ramseur

        That would be dumb, I don’t want egg on my house.

  • Budlorance

    I know, let’s replace Columbus Day with I’m Offended Day. It could easily become the popular holiday ever.

    • Frank

      The Great American Holiday = I’m Offended Day

      • http://motherunit420.blogspot.com/ motherunit

        A Festivus for the rest of us!

  • Melinda Schaller

    The message Kurt is relaying is to celebrate that death was defeated. Yes, this day has been labeled as evil, but who are we if we don’t use it for the glory of God. Our neighborhood group through our church has a win event every Halloween at our homes. Why you ask? Because it is the only time of year that your neighbors come to you. What better way to show the love of Christ by opening up your home to people who might not get to know Jesus any other way. We live in a dying world where people are looking for love and compassion from other people. If they don’t get it from Us they’re going to look for other ways in the world to try and find it. I know that God can use what was intended for evil to be used for good! It’s time to wake up folks! We are now the visiting team on our hometurf! The enemy is having his way in our country and we need to stop arguing over petty things like holiday traditions and costumes and open our eyes to see a lost and dying world out there! If that means we need to open our homes on Halloween and show the love of Christ to the lost then so be it! In the Bible you did not find Jesus among the righteous, he was in the home of sinners, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc…, he came to save them! As Christ centered difference makers we also need to be amongst those who are lost, and sometimes that means meeting them on their terms. As long as Christ is the center of our motives then there can be no wrong doing, as we are following his commandment to love one another as he has loved us and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves!

    • Guest

      But if you compromise the truth when they come to you, you don’t win them to anything but a watered down version of Christianity. We are to be separate from the world.

      • cropchick

        I believe the verse you are looking for is “IN but not of the world.” it discusses it in John chapter 7

        • Guest

          I’m referencing II Cornithians 6:17 – Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you

    • Ziggy

      Well said Melinda.

  • Guest

    He may be sincere, but he (and his sister) are seriously misguided. They both mix the world and false religion into their professed Christianity and it’s not Biblical. There is no way the catholic “church” is the one we should go to for anything. They also persecuted the Jewish people during WWII and were complicit with Hitler. Should we do that, too? Come on, Kirk. Read your Bible and start living it, or hush up. You’re like the blind leading the blind.

    • emastmagy

      The irony is you yourself became a victim of Matthew 7:5 Our pointy finger is a reflection of our domination; not the bible. The very act of your pointing a finger a at a denomination and crying foul speaks volume about your own misguided conviction.

      • Guest

        Well, no. The irony is that you are judging me based on one verse while leaving out many others. For example, “For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do not ye judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.” (I Corinthians 5:12, 13) And Romans 11:16 , as well as John 7:24 (Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment”.I will boldly stand against any false messengers and false gospels. You’d better believe I’m opposed to an organization known for pedophile priests and centuries’ worth or murderous rage.

    • Anónima

      I participate in Halloween. The Catholic church made and celebrates Halloween. Then I am “complicit” with the Catholic Church.
      Ok.
      You own a Volkswagen. Hilter helped make Volkswagens.
      Then you are complicit with Hitler.

      – Association fallacy

      • Guest

        Whether you mean to associate yourself with the catholic church or not, if you partake in one of their festivities or rituals, you become part of them. That’s why the Bible urges us to come out from among them, be separate, and not touch the unclean thing. Look, do you think if you walked into a Nazi camp during WWII and said, “Sorry, I didn’t mean to come into enemy territory, I’m just wandering through”, that they’d let you go? Of course not! You’d still be on enemy territory.

        As far as Volkswagens and Hitler go, the Volkswagen was designed by a Jewish man. While I personally wouldn’t drive a Volkswagen, some do because they think it makes a difference that the money isn’t going to fund Nazi death camps now, whereas Hallowe’en observances do go to satan NOW. Do you understand the difference?

        • Anónima

          I think you’ve committed the same logical fallacy again. The Association Fallacy. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html

          My Halloween observance does not go to Satan because i just dress my kids as spiderman and ironman and have fun asking for candies around the neighborhood. How does that glorify Satan? I would actually argue it glorifies God for me to spend time with my kids and community laughing and having fun together. I would argue that we christians should reedeem cultural practices. And i think thats whats been going on with Halloween. Its becoming fun dress up day. I think intentions and what’s in the heart do matter. There are sins that are flat out wrong because all humans have been given the basic moral law in our hearts. But there are cultural issues when judging things of conscience. Paul I think gives us space for liberty of conscience on many issues for cultural and personal reasons. But, in all humility, i want to ask you what you think Paul is talking about in Romans 14:14 and 1 Corinthians 8?

          • Guest

            Even sinners spend time with their children and have fun together, so you’re not doing anything special and glorifying God by doing that.

            As far as Hallowe’en observances going to Satan, well, it doesn’t matter “what’s in your heart” (and in fact, you might be shocked at what really is in your heart no matter how smug and righteous you think you are for playing with your own kids). What matters is if you obey what God tells you to do, and when something is associated with demonism and you still partake in it despite being warned by God, you are hanging with satan. The fact that you can’t even give up one night of costuming and fun for God is distressing. What in the world would you do if serious persecution came? Could you withstand it if you can’t be faithful in this one little thing?

            Of course Satan makes sin look “fun”, but whether or not something is “fun” doesn’t make it right. Satan is a deceiver so of course he will clothe debauchery and demonism in “fun”, but what is the root of the matter? If the root is holy, the whole lump is holy, but if the root is dark, the entire lump is dark. Hallowe’en is founded on darkness and, as a result, nothing associated with it is light, no matter how much “fun” you think you’re having.

      • http://www.ulster-scots.co.uk/ Kilsally

        No the Catholic Church appropriated the pagan festival of Samhain and turned it into All Hallows Eve & All Souls Day to pay for the dead and get them less time in Purgatory – both contrary to the Bible.

    • Jack Rohde

      You are right the Catholic Church, Vatican, was Temple of Janus, is the biggest fraud put on mankind and evolution, it is Satanic and has been financially behind all major wars, and all mafia members are catholic, and most rock stars are also why? because it’s like lite beer or diet cola, fat free satan worship,

      • wandakate

        JACK ROHDE: Many rock stars and Hollywood people are also Jehovah’s Witness (Michael Jackson’s mom and dad), and John Travolta is a Christian Scientist along with Tom Hanks, and others. I never thought of that but fat free satan worship is exactly right…The scripture says to come out of her my people and don’t participate in her sins or you will suffer from her plagues. Light and dark have no commonality…

        • Desertcatn

          Wrong, John Travolta is a Scientologist!

          • wandakate

            You are correct, my mistake. I have known that for years along with Tom Cruise, I think Travolta and Cruise and I’m not sure about Hanks…Thanks for the correction.

          • Desertcatn

            It’s okay, either one aren’t so good.

    • wandakate

      GUEST: KIRK has fallen away. He has backslid, he is “lukewarm”. JESUS said plainly, “IF you are luke warm and not hot or cold I will spew you out of my mouth”. He warned that He would have nothing to do with us. I hope that Kirk is reading these comments and will make some more sensible, wise, common sense decisions in the future.
      He is now one of the blind leading the blind and they will both fall into the ditch. They will fall by the wayside.

  • Guest

    i don’t do halloween. that is my conviction. it is also not my conviction to be an accuser of the brethren. God and God alone knows a man’s heart. judge ye not lest you be judged. this word in the Greek means to separate.

    • Guest

      The Bible also says to judge those that are within (I Corinthians 5:12-13. We DO have to discern whether or not someone is walking according to the light. If not, we end up misled ourselves. Leaven is not good. It must be purged.

  • kelly wilson

    i don’t do halloween. that is my conviction. it is also my
    conviction not to be an accuser of the brethren. God and God alone knows a
    man’s heart. what if God is using this man to begin the radical change of this day? to restore what the canker worm has eaten just as He promised to do.

    • Guest

      What would Kirk be used for? It’s not exactly a holy movement to get people to wear costumes and consume candy.

      • http://motherunit420.blogspot.com/ motherunit

        I really don’t see any use for Kirk Cameron.

      • kelly wilson

        i asked Father what was to be my reply. this was what He gave me. did not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob take the sins of the harlot Delilah and use them to orchestrate the destruction of the wicked lords of the Philistines and thousands of their people?…….have a blessed day.

        • Guest

          No. God took the sins of the Philistines and used Samson to bring them down. This is something elementary.

  • soupgoblin

    Most Christian holidays were originally pagan holidays…

    Christ wasn’t born in December, he was born sometime around July and August… Christians wanted converts so they decide to take over Saturnalia (Winter Solstice). Decorating trees, eating candy out of socks, fat guy with presents…. Nothing to do with Jesus at all…

    Easter… Ever wonder what Bunnies, baby chicks and eggs have to do with the resurrection… Absolutely nothing… Easter was originally a pagan fertility festival.

    Halloween… look up Samhain.

    Christianity stole pagan holidays, but no matter how hard they tried, the origins are still easy to see.

    • Guest

      There are Christians who do not do the whole baby bunny/evergreen tree thing either, so what’s your point?

      • Mikayla

        sougoblin’s point is that if what Gendron is saying is truth, then Christians shouldn’t celebrate Christmas or Easter. However, if you believe that its about the heart behind it, then that applies to Halloween as well. If poeple are doing satanic rituals, that’s one thing. But if people’s heart behind Halloween is to have fun as a family and eat a bunch of candy, is that actually harmful?

        • Guest

          That was the Jewish people’s reasoning when they got into Baal worship. They thought it would be okay to simply take part in parties, festivities, and cultural aspects of the holidays of surrounding pagans. That’s why the Bible says they feared God but served Baal. They didn’t think there was anything wrong with it as long as they did the law, and prayed to God of Abraham, Isaac, but God punished them severely for it. You can’t do both.

          • MikeeK

            That has nothing to do with why the Jews worshiped Ba’al. They wanted Ba’al as a god alongside Yahweh. They didn’t find Yahweh to be sufficient.

            Where did you ever get the idea that they just wanted to party? There is absolutely nothing in the Old Testament to support this idea.

          • Guest

            Yes there is. They did this to culturally fit in with those around them., much like compromising Christians are doing today.

          • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

            It depends on which version of the Bible that you are reading. What is said in the Bible has changed, sometimes drastically, from what the Bible had to say 75-100 years ago. I know this because I grew up reading my Great Grandmothers Bible, and I know very well what it said as opposed to what it is saying now.

          • wandakate

            We can’t serve GOD and satan at the same time. Choose whom you will serve this day.
            JESUS said, “IF you love me, keep my commandments” !!!

        • KR Taylor

          I hear this a lot. Usually used by my brothers and sisters in Christ as a point of mocking me and my husband and our choice for our family.

          The answer for US is that unlike Christmas & Easter which have been ‘substantially transformed’ to be celebrations of Jesus Christ, Halloween while sharing a Pagan root, has undergone no such transformation. Not even in the smallest amount.

          That said, we do spend time considering the Christmas/Easter observances, but have not yet reached a place where we feel convicted about those. Some day however, we may.

          • Kathleen Marion

            Ever hear the part of the Bible that says Do NOT add to or take away from these Words? I bet you never even read the part where God says he hates the way the pagans worship and NEVER do that for him. Probably not. Most people don’t bother to really read the Bible to KNOW who God is. They think by using the Traditions of Men that somehow God knows their sweet little hearts are pure. But the Bible also says the people feared God but served Baal. Yes he knows your heart, it is rebellious and stubborn keeping the traditions of men.

            Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” 9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. (any additions to the Word of God)

            Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

            The traditions of men when apposed to the Word of God are not looked upon by God as anything but rebellion.

            Here is a statement from the Bible that gives us a key to who God is, what he likes, what he hates:

            Deut 12:29 “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. 32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

            So taking a pagan holiday, slapping the name of Jesus on it is doing exactly what he said he hates. And there is that pesky scripture there that says DO NOT ADD TO OR TAKE AWAY. So what has been added? Pagan holidays being used to celebrate God, which he clearly hates. What has been taken away? God’s Holy Days which he said are HIS Holy Days not Jewish Holy Days. All of God’s Holy Days speak of Messiah Jesus, but the Church prefers the traditions of men over the commandments of God.

            So let me ask you this question. Do you truly love God and follow HIM or do you love your church and follow those who are leading you down a path of rebellion?

          • Selene

            Well Said!!!

          • Matt Arnold

            “So taking a pagan holiday, slapping the name of Jesus on it is doing exactly what he said he hates.”

            I take it you don’t celebrate Christmas or Easter then?

            I truly love the Divine Creator, the Eternal One, the Almighty, the Most High, the Source of All Being, the God of Green Hope, the Starbreather, Jesus Christ – the Name above all names. You could say I follow God (but then even “God” is word that’s pagan in origin and I wouldn’t want to confuse the issue here 😀 )

            I follow the Divine Spirit wherever the Spirit blows. Discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit.

          • wandakate

            MATTARNOLD: I think JESUS was Yeshua, and GOD was supposed to be Yahweh…Not sure where GOD and JESUS came from. Must just be English words for Yeshua and Yahweh.

          • Matt Arnold

            Jesus is God – that’s a given.

            God – origin of the word can be discovered here: http://www.bibleanswerstand.org/God.htm – I think you’ll be surprised at how the KJV and subsequent versions translated God.

            A very useful thing is etymology…

          • MO

            WOW! that is profound!

          • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

            No, Jesus is not and never has been God. That was made up by the Catholic church.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s called the Bible. It has nothing to do with catholicism.

          • MO

            I think Yeshua and Yahweh is Hebrew, when translated to English it’s Jesus and God.

          • Independant Thinker

            There is a difference God is holy and god is pagan. Notice which one and its usage in the Bible and you can tell the difference.

          • Desertcatn

            I think Kirk was talking about providing an alternative, to the usual Halloween activities. Making a suggestion to use Halloween, as an opportunity to reach young people, to teach them about Jesus Christ.

          • Sandra Shill

            Okay, then if you want to play strictly by the words, consider the points made in this speech…

            “I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, always cleaned the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be?” 

            “My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police?”

            “Here’s one that’s really important cause we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town: touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 11:7 If they promise to wear gloves can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?”

          • Independant Thinker

            Sandra, you have done enough to make everyone aware you do not believe in God or Jesus. Why don’t you just shut up and go away? There is a saying I can’t remember clearly right now but it means “people may think you are an idiot but if you open your mouth you remove all doubt” You have opened your mouth way to many times and shown your ignorance and total lack of knowledge on this subject. Apparently you need to do a LOT of research before you can converse intelligently on this subject. In the mean time you need to crawl back into your hole and be quiet.

          • Sandra Shill

            For someone going by the handle “Independant Thinker,” you seem to be anything but that. And, since you’ve decided to go the route of personal attacks, rather than reasoned argument, let me say that a) you haven’t the faintest idea whether I believe in God or not and b) before you call me an idiot, perhaps you should consider “do not judge lest ye be judged,” as you don’t even know how to spell your own user name correctly (it’s “Independent” not “Independant”).

            May God forgive you for your spiteful tongue and for telling someone you deem “ignorant” on the subject of the Lord to go away, rather than to try to gently and patiently guide her into the light….not a very Christian approach, it seems to me.

          • salter

            Well said, Sandra to Independent Thinker, however, this commentary is so childish. This type of discussion is useless. There is nothing Christian in most of the comments here. There is only rhetoric and people trying to outdo people on who might be the smartest and know the bible better, well you all lose. I am sure that Jesus weeps at this type of nonsense. You all need a to read the Bible and do research, it is not a one hour or one day study. And, the hated by some here against Roman Catholics, Evangelicals, Pentecostals etc., goes on ad nauseum., I am so glad that I am a follower of Jesus Christ. No wonder the Christian church is in such turmoil. All of you need to take a step back and find the grace it takes to listen to people’s arguments whether you agree or disagree. To “Independent Thinker”, if anyone needed Christ in their lives it is you, for you have shown the ways of the wicked and need to repent. enough said.

          • Sandra Shill
          • guest

            Agreed. Thank you salter ~

          • Kathleen Marion

            I love the way you cherry pick the scriptures and put your own spin on them to attack others! The Bible is just a cafeteria of accusations for you to use against other, but nothing for your life. You have a critical spirit you might want to deal with through deliverance.

          • Sandra Shill

            I haven’t attacked anyone…I’ve simply argued that the way Halloween is celebrated today is not about honoring or worshipping Satan, it’s about having fun dressing up in a costume and collecting candy. I’ve only used scripture to a) respond to others’ use of scripture and b) point out that there are many scriptural points that even devote Christians no longer observe and that some folks here are “cherry picking” scripture to make *their* point!

            I think the Bible is a very important book, with many useful parables and lessons. And I believe that one of the central teachings of Jesus was love (including love for those folks you consider your “enemy”), but I’ve seen/felt precious little of that here from those who profess to be the most devout.

          • Guest

            Loving your enemy doesn’t mean sinning with them. Love is obedience. That’s the Word of God. You pretty are much are saying “let’s sin that grace may abound”, and we know how that works out.

          • Sandra Shill

            No one asked you to sin… I merely pointed out that a lot of folks here could be a lot more effective in their teachings if they did them from a position of patience and love than through attacks. You are charged with helping others to see the light and you are failing because your heart is hard.

          • Guest

            I haven’t attacked anyone, unlike you who are here to attack. It’s obvious who you are and what your agenda is.

          • Desertcatn

            People have to be able to come to Jesus Christ, then he changes their heart, many here would not allow that.

          • wandakate

            JESUS said, “IF you love me keep my commandments”. That would be obedience would it not? Hyper grace is full of it.
            We are saved by GOD’s grace through our faith in Him, “but” we will be judged by our works. We “must” obey the word, GOD’s word, not satan’s word.

          • [email protected]

            Thank you Sandra. Blessings.

          • Sandra Shill
          • [email protected]

            There are a lot of trolls on here who just want a reaction. 🙁
            I appreciate your comments and insights.

          • Sandra Shill

            Thanks!

          • Matt

            You’re the CNN lesbian who posts things from gay sites on Christian sites.

          • Sandra Shill

            What the heck are you talking about?!? I’ve been married for over 25 years to a lovely man who’d be quite amused to hear that you thought he was a woman. LOL

          • Matt

            Learn how the internet works, Sandra. Your cover has been blown.

          • Sandra Shill

            What “cover”? I was never hiding from anything! You’re really sounding a bit paranoid now….

          • Matt

            This isn’t fun anymore. Hope you have a nice day trolling.

          • guest

            Sandra I get it. Just ignore the pot stirrers, they are only looking for negativity.
            You will find a LOT of ‘over the top’ Christians in these blog rooms.
            I don’t know if they are in a cult or what it is… they are usually very self righteous, pompous and fire and brimstone like mentality.
            I myself just pretty much stick to the NT.
            You seem a good and caring person. That is being Christ like.
            Some on here don’t seem to be up to par on that.

          • guest

            Matt, why don’t You learn how to be a gentlemen and a man..

          • wandakate

            Would JESUS celebrate Halloween????? Evil doings and witches, goblins, skeletons, witchcraft, black everywhere.
            More crime in America on that night than any other night of the year.
            It’s not about fun and games and candy (that rots kids teeth, and gives them too many sugar spikes), it’s a PAGAN/HEATHEN holiday that JESUS told us not to have anything to do with. He said, “Do not have anything to do with their ways”…You will account to GOD for all of it, so you do what you do, as you are not accountable to man but only to GOD, and JESUS will judge you.
            We are saved by grace, yes, but we will be judged by our works (how well we obeyed the LORD).

          • Jenni Lovsey

            You need to go find an aisle to roll in and shut the hell up holy roller.

          • Guest

            You’re very judgmental and harsh, aren’t you?

          • Sandra Shill

            In what way have I been harsh???

          • Matt

            You don’t believe in God. You’re the CNN lesbian who makes fun of the Old Testament and the Jewish people.

          • Sandra Shill

            Once again, your assertions are unfounded. Why would I make fun of the Jewish people when I was born a Jewish person? (Okay…I’ll admit that I did make fun of my cousin that time she accidentally fell into the pool with her clothes on, but I felt bad afterwards and apologized and she has long forgiven me…she actually thinks it’s pretty funny now, too!)

          • Matt

            For someone who claims to be Jewish you know little of Judaism. Keep them coming. You’ve lost all credibility.

          • guest

            Good post Sandra, agreed.

          • KRISTEN SMITH

            Oh my, you are both a little aggressive. Two aggressive people usually end up in a brawl. Good thing it’s the internet, and thank God for grace 😉 Don’t we all need it! 🙂

          • wandakate

            Grace is all well and good, but OBEDIENCE is what GOD’s requires. We are saved by His grace, yes, “however” we will be judged our works. We were to obey the commandments and most people don’t. “IF you love me, keep my commandments”, said JESUS, and that was all 10 of them, not just the ones we want to obey. It’s all or nothing.

          • Desertcatn

            Thank you for making us think, Sandra, so many here would drive a new Christian from church, beating them with the Bible.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            How about you and the rest of the holy rollers shut the **** up and go the **** away? The only idiots here are you and the rest of the cult followers who have their heads so far up their asses they cant see daylight.

          • Guest

            You are twisting God’s holy law. The Bible says cursed is anyone who uses the Word of God deceitfully. You seriously have no clue what the law says, do you, and the Bible says that without law you don’t understand grace.

          • Sandra Shill

            So educate me! How do you interpret, say, Exodus 35:2, which says about the seventh day, “whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death”? Sounds pretty straightforward to me…

          • Guest

            Of course it’s straight forward. It’s the law. It’s supposed to be as blunt as can be. However, you are purposely taking it out of context (the people to whom it was given – the Jewish people, the time in which it was given – the time of Moses) and mocking its holiness. No one can understand grace without understanding the law. No one can understand right and wrong without the law.

          • Sandra Shill

            So laws handed down during the time of Moses no longer apply? Them why do folks here keep using them to press their points? I’m merely saying that you can’t just pick and choose one moment and, in the next, say, as Kathleen did in the post I was responding to, that the Bible says, “do not add or take away from these words.”

            I totally respect that folks have differing religious beliefs….it’s just hypocrisy that I have a hard time respecting.

          • Guest

            Of course they still apply, but in context. You have attempted to take them out of context.

          • wandakate

            But our 10 commandments were meant for everyone for all times (1,000) generations it says. They were NOT just for the Jews.

          • wandakate

            Apparently its what He meant but it’s just something that we have never done.
            The Sabbath is the 4th Commandment of the 10. If one of them is relevant, then they all are relevant. If you break one according to scripture you’ve broken them all…
            It is a day of rest, a day of time with GOD, a day of worship. He knew after 6 days we would be tired, and we would need rest and need to just worship Him and focus on doing good. JESUS said, “Tis good to do good on the Sabbath day”…
            The Jews had it all wrong and had over 600 laws for the people to follow (stupid), and even JESUS rebuked all of that.
            The Sabbath was simple according to JESUS. He created in 6 days and rested on the 7th and that is Saturday and not Sunday, as Sunday is just the first day of a new week and He did not make it holy, or sanctify it, or set it aside as a special day. Sunday worship was the ideal of the HRCC, and everybody just followed them, but it was “never” GOD’s special day of rest and worship.
            JESUS always preached on the 7th day (He stood up to read). And no the days never changed, they are the same.
            John tells us that the 2 women went to the tomb on the 1st day of the week and even then it was Sunday…

          • wandakate

            Exactly, we are saved by grace but we are going to be judged by our WORKS. Our works is what we do, it’s our obedience to GOD.
            As for as the Sabbath day, that is actually the 4th Commandment. Are the commandments done away with? Are they obsolete? Are they not valid for today? Are they just irrelevant? Please, don’t add or take away from GOD’s holy word. We all know what is right but we don’t do it. We won’t get to heaven in that condition.

          • Matt

            You copied that from a gay site. Not surprising since you’re a lesbian.

          • Sandra Shill

            I copied nothing from a gay site. If you’re talking about the quote I posted, it’s from the script of an episode of the TV show “The West Wing” ( which, as far as I can recall, didn’t even have any gay characters in it).

            Oh, and I told my husband about what you said about thinking I was gay and he did, in fact, laugh.

          • Matt

            Tell your “husband” that he needs to school you on how the internet works.

          • Sandra Shill

            Here’s the site I copied it from: http://westwing.bewarne.com/second/25admonitions.html

            Nothing gay there.

            And I was using the Internet back before it was the Internet (when it was the Arpanet), so no schooling required. (And why did you put “husband” in quotes? He is very much a man and we are very much lawfully wedded.)

          • Matt

            When did he start to lose his hair?

          • Sandra Shill

            (Oh, and btw, why are you hanging out at gay sites, anyway?)

          • Matt

            Why do you assume I hang out at gay sites? You don’t know how the internet works, do you?

          • KRISTEN SMITH

            Most obviously this particular context is not an equivalent to the type of “slavery” that I believe you are referring to. It is more like “work”/ as in one’s occupation (or a way of survival). And to the sabbath, it is one of the ten commandments- perhaps we as “christians” should take it a little more seriously…sounds like God was pretty serious about it! As for pig skin, maybe they are unclean…? All sound like an interesting study to dive into– I’m certainly not just going to take another “christians” opinion on any of these points presented. I love how God is all revealed but so mysterious– He certainly keeps me interested 😉

          • Independant Thinker

            There is also that pesky little rule that says “Thou shalt have no other god before me.” I think most of us have heard it. It is in both Deuteronomy and Exedous.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            Another holy roller who “thinks” it knows it all. Worry about you, it’s NONE of your business who celebrates what.

          • wandakate

            I couldn’t have stated that any better myself.
            JESUS said, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”.
            And, “Not everyone who says to me LORD, LORD will enter the kingdom of GOD, but only those who do the will of the FATHER.”
            JESUS would “never” celebrate “any” of our worldly traditional holidays…He would honor the feast of the LORD (GOD’s holy days) and not anything that we mortals do.
            All of what we do originated from the HRCC, and that is the Mother Church and all the sister church follow them for the most part and all of that is unsatisfactory to GOD. We can’t follow GOD and satan at the same time.

          • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

            Jesus never, at any time, denied that he was Jewish.

          • Matt Arnold

            But Hallowe’en (All Hallows – or All Holys Eve) did undergo a transformation. What’s happened is that in the 20C, a number of Christians distanced themselves from the remembrance and thanksgiving of the saints which used to be done by the church as a way of redeeming the previous festival. When the church retreated from All Hallows, it left a vacuum which was filled with the Americanised, consumeristic gorefest we now have as Halloween. Check out the history of All Hallows Eve and learn how we once redeemed it and then lost it again. It’s time to redeem it once more!

            However, I fully respect your choice not to celebrate Halloween. That is your decision and yours alone to make. You should stand by that decision. However, be informed as to why you made that decision with good quality resources, researched fully.

            Every blessing in Christ.

          • Kathleen Marion

            Transformation of pagan holidays and some how God is Ok with that? Every hear the phrase you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear?

          • Matt Arnold

            I reckon God’s just fine and dandy with what we did with Christmas and Easter (both previously pagan holidays and excellent times of the year to be sporting the latest silk purse, fashioned from the ear of a sow).

            However, I reckon God’s a bit annoyed at how the Church managed to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear with Halloween (All Hallows Eve), but then we were careless, preferring to cast aside the silk purse which was then taken and mangled into something else.

            Kingdom building is about joining in with the redemptive work of Christ in transforming this world. How can running away from Halloween, branding it as evil ever be seen as redemptive – it’s capitulation and giving in to the Americanised, consumeristic gorefest we see now. And that’s KC’s exact point – a point missed by many of the naysayers whose default position seems to point at anything that isn’t in the Bible and shout “Evil!”.

          • Desertcatn

            Ever hear of using opportunities, such as Halloween, to provide a Christian alternative?

          • Robyn

            “The answer for US is that unlike Christmas & Easter which have been ‘substantially transformed’ to be celebrations of rampant consumerism and capitalism run amok.”

            There, fixed that for you.

          • [email protected]

            Why does it need to be “transformed” ?
            The devil is only a part of it if you are coming from a place of fear. Perfect love casteth out fear.
            For God hath not given us a spirit of fear.
            Fear not.
            Is it really the conviction of God you are feeling?
            or just the guilt that has been thrown on you by the church?
            Transform the way you look at it.
            You will be amazed at how quickly the “devil” will disappear.
            Blessings.

          • L. Davis

            We celebrate the fact that JESUS, Savior, has come to redeem humanity. We don’t have an accurate date, though some theologians believe they know around what time of year He was actually born. We celebrate His death and resurrection, for because He lives we do also. These things ought to be recognized by Believers. I don’t observe them in the way tradition dictates necessarily: no Easter bunny, Easter egg hunts or satan clause for me and mine. Instead we read the account of these events and give praise to God. In the tradition of the wise men giving gifts to honor the King Jesus, we give gifts, or not; that is never the focus of this day. Halloween has nothing to do with CHRIST JESUS: nothing.

          • wandakate

            Easter and Christmas are pagan also. It seems like you just don’t want to give up your worldly/traditional holidays, but would JESUS celebrate them? What would JESUS do?
            JESUS was born on Wednesday and rose before sunrise on Sunday morning. By the time the two women went to the tomb JESUS had already risen…He even said He would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights, and if we do the right math we aren’t going to get 3 days and 3 nights (72 hours) out of Friday to Sunday…He didn’t die until around 3 p.m. and he didn’t rise until before sunrise on a Sunday, so how are we figuring that time slot?
            As for as December goes, He wasn’t born in the cold month of December, He was born in September at the September Feast of the LORD. December would have been too cold. The shepherds put away their animals (flock) in October before the cold set in. They remained there til March. JESUS was born before they put them in the barns, b/c the scripture says, the shepherds were out in the fields keeping watch over their flock by night, and that wasn’t happening in December. Unfortunately you’re following the world and it’s ways. You’re following tradition and nothing more.
            JESUS would not celebrate ANY of our holidays…Blessings and I hope you reconsider that the way you are doing things you are not pleasing GOD, but man and self. They are commercial holidays that are all about making MONEY, they have nothing to do with JESUS.

        • wandakate

          MIKAYLA: In my opinion Halloween is the most harmful holiday of the year. CHRISTIANS should not in any form celebrate, or honor this holiday and they are unknowingly honoring Satan which is NOT as we know a Christian thing. Maybe you could look at it this way. WHAT WOULD JESUS DO? Would JESUS if He were right here now on earth, would He celebrate it? Doubtful. He knows he didn’t die on Friday and that that time period was actually Passover. He know that Halloween has NOTHING at all to do with Him, and is all about Satan and tradition, and He know that He was not born on December 25th and that it is also very Pagan, and tradition as well, so why would He participate? Just food for thought. I used to do all of them, but when I found the truth, then I was set free from the bondage of ALL of them. They were not what JESUS wanted me to be doing.
          The bible even says to not do as the heathens and pagans do and cut down a tree, adorn it with silver and gold and tie to the a pole to steady it. We aren’t supposed to be doing that…All three of these holidays are PAGAN, they have NOTHING to do with GOD whatsoever.

          • Selene

            AMEN!!!

          • Dave

            By this very argument you should Not speak English. It’s origins are Pagan and Celtic and therefore not of God.

          • wandakate

            DAVE: Ridiculous! Each person learns the language that they are brought up in and you’re getting very technical. We all speak different languages and we won’t be going to hell just because we spoke a certain language be it English, French, Spanish or otherwise.

          • Matt

            God created language. You need to read the Book of Genesis.

          • Marie Adigwe

            Halloween doesn’t honor Satan. Pagans don’t even believe in Satan, and many of them do not condone theistic Satanism because they believe that it harms the human body and mind and other animals. You should do a bit more reading before making any assumptions.

          • Sandra Shill

            Okay, if you want to play the WWJD game, I think he’d say, “Let the little children come unto me,” then hand out treats (the good, chocolate kind!), while praising the little kids on their cute princess and superhero costumes. After all, isn’t Jesus all about love? Wasn’t he presented as a kinder, gentler “God 2.0,” compared to the more draconian Old Testament God?

          • Matt

            Paganism and Satanism aren’t love. Jesus wouldn’t hang out at Baal’s temple and congratulate the children on their cute idolatry.

          • Sandra Shill

            Do you SERIOUSLY think that, when a little kid dresses up as as Elsa from Frozen or as Batman, they’re worshipping Satan? How about the kid I saw who was dressed as a school bus? Is that Satan’s chariot? How do you make that mind-boggling leap from a little costume-and-candy fun to Satanism/Paganism? How is it different than any actor anywhere who dresses up to play a part? Even the Purim tradition involves costumes!

          • Jenni Lovsey

            @ Sandra- because they depend on their cult leaders to tell them what to think and how to think instead of thinking for themselves.

          • Guest

            You’re approaching this legalistically. You’re so focused on the kind of costumes and the type of candy that you’re missing the spirit of the matter. If the root is unclean, the lump is unclean. Pagan celebrations weren’t all about child sacrifices and other horrors. They were fun. They dressed up pretty and had great music and dancing. They ate tasty food and gave gifts. It was still WRONG. That’s the deceit of sin. That’s why the Bible says obedience is better than sacrifice.

          • Matt

            Yes, I do. I also think that when lesbians and homosexuals troll Christian sites they get called out on it. I see you support incest by your posts on other sites. Scary stuff there Sandra.

          • wandakate

            SANDRA SHILL: I don’t see JESUS participating in this holiday at all. It’s of Satan, it’s not of GOD. Yes, he would love up on the children as JESUS loved them, and he would say come unto me, but he would not be handing out candy on Halloween. That was forbidden in scripture. He wanted us to have nothing to do with darkness. Light and dark don’t mix. The saved and the unsaved have NOTHING in common. We are warned against all these things. You do what you want to do, you will have to face GOD on judgment day and explain it all to him.

          • Sandra Shill

            What does this holiday, AS IT’S CELEBRATED BY CHILDREN IN THIS DAY AND AGE, have to with Satan? That’s what nobody is answering! The children and parents who participate have not one iota of a thought about Satan when they get dressed up in costumes and collect candy from their neighbors. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say anything about WHAT KIDS TODAY are doing! If it’s the roots of this holiday that disturbs you so much, then I really hope you don’t blaspheme by putting up a Christmas tree, since the origin of that ritual is Pagan, and the first Christmas tree ornaments were replicas of the Pagan Roman’s God, Bacchus. Of course, people who put up a tree in today’s times aren’t celebrating Paganism any more than today’s trick-or-treaters are celebrating Paganism or Satanism.

            It’s all about intent…God judges by what’s in people’s hearts and minds, no? If not, then forget about Christmas trees, Easter eggs/bunnies, and all of the other Pagan symbols, which Christians later co-opted for their own use.

          • wandakate

            SANDRA SHILL: I DO NOT celebrate Easter as JESUS didn’t die on Good Friday and rise on Sunday morning. He died on a Wednesday and rose after 3 pm and before sunrise on Sunday morning. I do not any longer participate in a satanic holiday called Halloween, and I do not put up a tree or do anything pertaining to the man-made holiday called Christmas which is all about money and commercialism. It’s about greed starting in October and going until they can make the last dine in January at the after Christmas sales.
            When a person is convicted they will be free in the spirit. GOD will open their eyes to the truth of the word of GOD about these fake holidays that most people celebrate. There are many people in these end days that are seeing the truth and not celebrating any of them anymore.
            What man calls Easter was PASSOVER to JESUS, and he wanted us to celebrate all of His feast and not our man-made fake holidays that He would have absolutely nothing to do with.
            I hope you will find the truth and see it for what it is. All from the heathens and the pagans. You are right the origin of Christmas is pagan and about the ornaments etc.
            People of today that do these holidays are merely following “tradition”, that’s all, they haven’t bothered to educated themselves to the truth so they live the lie and all lies are from Satan.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            You are 100% loony! Were you there? No? then shut the hell up and go take your med you fruitcake!

          • Independant Thinker

            Sandra Shill, The children and parents who participate have not one iota of a thought
            about Satan when they get dressed up in costumes and collect candy from
            their neighbors. You are right THEY DON’T THINK period. If they did they wouldn’t honor/worship Satan on ANY PAGAN HOLIDAY and especially his high holiday which is Halloween.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            You need to make your name “dependent thinker” and learn how to spell troll.

          • Matt

            Yet you’re the same person who calls posters “grammar Nazis” when they correct your own spelling.

          • Matt

            Sandra Shill is a lesbian who trolls Christian sites looking to get a rise out of believers.

          • Guest

            Whether children mean to celebrate something pagan or not, if it’s a pagan celebration, the sin of paganism sticks to them. You can argue til you’re blue in the face that it’s the intent, but whether or not you intend to go into enemy territory, once you’re in you’re captive. Anyone dragging their precious children into this sin are going to have consequences for it. That’s the stark truth.

          • Matt

            So do you troll Christian sites with your gay agenda? You also support the incest ruling.

          • Sandra Shill

            No, I don’t troll Christian sites… I only came to this one because of a link I saw (can’t remember where…Comcast.net, maybe?) about Kirk Cameron and Halloween and I was curious what that was about. And, in all of the posts I’ve made in this long “discussion,” I’ve never once mentioned homosexuality, (except to refute the unfounded assertion that I’m a lesbian), because that would have been entirely off-topic.

          • Matt

            Just because you don’t mention something here, doesn’t mean you didn’t mention it elsewhere. Really, if you’re going to try to fool people (and act smug in the process), at least try to dot your i’s and cross your t’s.

          • Matt

            Just because you don’t mention something here, doesn’t mean you didn’t mention it elsewhere. Really, if you’re going to try to fool people (and act smug in the process), at least try to dot your i’s and cross your t’s.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            Is the mental ward missing one of their patients? you might want to check in.

          • Matt

            Sandra is a lesbian who trolls Christian sites. She’s looking to get a rise out of you.

          • Becky Hunter

            I’ve been reading these comments and the only troll here seems to be you. That is ALL I will say to you.

          • Matt

            I’m sorry, but all I’ve done is speak the truth. If you call that trolling, then you are ignorant of the meaning of the word.

          • Guest

            You are seriously messed up. You don’t know who Jesus Christ is.

          • Sandra Shill

            When did I argue in favor of incest?

          • Guest

            Not on this site, on others. You really don’t know you left a trail, do you?

          • Sandra Shill

            I didn’t argue in favor of incest – I argued against hypocrisy.

            I’m well aware that one leaves a trail when one participates on the Internet… I’m not trying to hide anything.

          • Matt

            Actually, Jesus would probably tell you to quit pretending you’re a Christian and He’d call you a lesbian. He taught that homosexuality is sin. Good luck with pretending to be a Christian when you’re a professed lesbian Sandra.

          • Sandra Shill

            Well, now you’re just making things up! When did I pretend to be a Christian? And when did I profess to being a lesbian?

          • Matt

            Well, now YOU’RE just making things up! When did you post these things on other sites? When did you not realize how the internet works?

          • Matt

            Well, now YOU’RE just making things up! When did you post these things on other sites? When did you not realize how the internet works?

          • L. Davis

            Jesus was with God in the beginning, is God, and evermore shall be. He is and has always been good and kind from Genesis to Revelation. When we distort the image of God before our children by the traditions of men we are in fact preventing them from coming unto Jesus. We are in deed setting up stumbling blocks, and JESUS said if we offend one of these little ones who believe in me, it’s better that a milestone be hung about that person’s neck and be tossed into the sea. Old Testament God is New Testament God. He took away the former to establish a covenant, but God’s judgments are the same. He is ever holy, and He has reserved a day of judgment for the wicked. And a day of reward for the righteous.

          • Jenni Lovsey

            You didnt find “truth”, you found a cult. Put the crack pipe down and actually think for yourself instead of relying on your cult leader.

          • wandakate

            JENNI LOVSEY: Don’t belong to a cult, never have. Don’t need to check into a mental ward either. You know NOTHING at all about a Bible, and you probably will never know the truth about any of the man-made holidays. No cult leader told me anything, I use my brain and common sense and the wisdom that the LORD has so graciously given to me. The Bible is my source or reference and it doesn’t lie. I have been thinking for myself since probably before you were even born. You have a smart mouth and an attitude. No wonder the world is in the condition it’s in, as many are just like you. I’m done…I won’t waste anymore time with you so don’t bother to reply as it WILL NOT be answered, and I’ll just consider the source.

          • Desertcatn

            What better time, to provide a Christian alternative activity!

        • Anna

          Spiritual fornication is mixing the Holy with the unholy. We are to worship God in truth and Holiness; not with pagan traditions.

          • wandakate

            What we are suppose to do is honor GOD’s feast and Holy days and His High Holy Days. Passover, and the feast were not just for the Jews, but were for everybody. We as Christians are so far off the path (the right road) that its pitiful.
            We follow traditions and more ways of satan and his evil ways than we do GOD and His holy ways…We can’t do both.

        • MO

          This sounds like justification for following after paganism. I think Solomen did the same.

          • Matt Arnold

            Define paganism.

          • MO

            Apple dictionary definition: ‘a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions’ Wikipedia: “is a broad group of indigenous and historical polytheistic religious traditions …’ Patheos library: ‘..a wide variety of traditions that emphasize reverence for nature and a revival of ancient polytheistic & animistic religious practices …’

            You, LORD, have abandoned your people, the descendants of Jacob. They are full of superstitions from the East; they practice divination like the Philistines and embrace pagan customs. Isaiah 2:6 NIV

            Isaiah 57:8, Lamentations 1:10, Amos 7:17, Matthew 18:17, Luke 12:30 NIV

          • Matt Arnold
          • MO

            I see this is on witchcraft, occults, and the paranormal, (what looks like the persecutions of) are you saying these are ‘paganism?’

          • Independant Thinker

            In the New Testament we are told NOT TO PRACTICE WITCHCRAFT.

          • Kathleen Marion

            Well said and rebellion is also witchcraft. Therefore if the Word of God says DON’T do something and you disregard it then you practice witchcraft by your stubborn refusal to honor God’s Word. That is why Jesus rebuked the Pharisees Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” 9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death. 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

          • Jenni Lovsey

            Quit smoking crack and join the real world.

          • Matt Arnold

            I agree. No need to shout at me, it’s rude 🙁

          • Matt

            Why don’t you define mysticism and new age thinking for us, Matt Arnold? Your posting history is very interesting and I’m not talking about what you posted here. Looks like this is wolves in sheep’s clothing day.

          • Matt Arnold

            And give you more things to tear apart with ignorance?

            Forget it. It’s time now to not answer your questions any more as whatever I say well have little difference with you. Your mind is set and no amount of theological missiology will convince you otherwise. I’ll pray for you Matt, so the Holy Spirit slows have and opens your eyes to contextual mission.

            Glad you find my posts interesting – lots of food for thought in them.

            God bless you.

          • Matt

            You won’t answer my questions because you know that your New Age mysticism won’t hold up here. You can blaspheme further by implying the Holy Spirit guided the drivel you write about. You dare to accuse others of ignorance when you didn’t even know the meaning of the word “concord”? You’ve got a secular Jewish person who sneers at Christians cheering your posts, and you expect to be taken seriously here? If you’re going to pray, pray for yourself.

          • Matt Arnold

            Concord – oh that sweet chestnut again :D. If you don’t understand English dry wit, then I apologise. Of course I understand the meaning of “Concord”. Again, another ad hominem attack from someone who really doesn’t get contextualised mission. Ad hominem really isn’t the way to go when debating with someone as it just shows you have very little substance with which to argue with.

            Maybe a “secular Jew” can see more clearly than you will with the scales you have on your eyes.

            I pray for myself. If you don’t want me to pray for you, then that’s OK, I’ll not. I wouldn’t want to offend you.

            However, if you think I’m wrong, I invite you to pray for me. Would you do that please? If you think I’m right, pray for me. Either way, I’d value your prayers.

            Your brother in Christ.

          • Matt

            What do you know about dry wit? You obviously haven’t shown any.

          • Matt Arnold

            ??? My “posting history is very interesting and I’m not talking about what you posted here” ??? Would you care to elucidate further, or keep me in suspense? Whatever, I’m glad you found them interesting – pleased to be of service 😀

            As I posted previous to you, New Age is a term for the 20th Century, it’s shunned by certain practitioners in New Religious Movements nowadays. Things have moved on.

            As for definitions – why would you want me to define them? At this point, I won’t grant your request for the simple reason that whatever I post on here regarding these two terms will be seized upon and torn to shreds by people who only seek to destroy what others say. I don’t think most people would understand what I would be saying anyway, after all, they’ve had a tough time, by and large, trying to rebut my discussion points. When people start getting nasty and throw names such as “anti-semitic”, “pagan apologist”, wanting to view my dead corpse as they come out of the Lamb’s wedding feast, a practitioner of witchcraft etc, then, well, you get the idea that this isn’t a spiritually healthy place and some people in here really need to have a good long time of extended silence and prayer, seeking what it is that “Christ in me the hope of glory” really is all about, because it’s not bearing a lot of fruit in here!

            You have all the Internet to explore those two terms by yourself. Come back and let us know what you’ve learned in about 24 years time (about the same length of time it’s taken me to research NA/NRMs etc from a Christian perspective).

            Here’s a pointer though as I like you:
            Mysticism: http://wesleygospel.com/2010/09/30/evangelical-mystics-in-church-history/

            God bless.

          • Matt

            I know what New Age and mysticism is. I also know what wolves in sheep’s clothing are.

          • Matt Arnold

            Then pray tell, why did you ask me do define it?

            I’m interested in your definition though brother. Would you care to elucidate?

        • Michelle Bowen

          I have ‘Halloween Parties’ every year for my nieces and nephews and my family! If my sister’s want to join great but usually its just me and them. WE don’t celebrate satan, we do have some scary movies and ghost stories. But we also play Bible and other Trivia mixed together. My dad kept harping on us about it this year, but thinking about it nad praying its not wrong. Because my nieces and nephews who do come don’t go out and have fun in the world. Instead they are with me, I am telling them about God, all of them are saved that I know of. The point is we talk about God, we joke about things and play pranks with truth or dare. BUT we NEVER EVER celelbrate the Devil.

          Since childhood I have known Santa was not real and by childhood I mean all my life. I just knew. I was very smart. Anyways the point is I do not celebrate Santa if I can help it. Sometime we got the kids to sit on his lap for a pic it was cute to have us with them as a family moment But they know he’s not real. The point is, that I don’t like the Santa angle but its so immersed sometiems its just hard to avoid all together. I do the Christmas Tree and we do homemade ornaments we were making ones of Jesus last year and snow flakes, none santa. We also did ornaments iwth our names and birth years on it and sparkly pretty. Our tree was amazing and almos tSanta free this year more ornaments will go up homemade to do with Jesus, not anything else. but him and snow and mary and you know what the Christians celebrate. I will attempt to erradicate all Santa stuff on there. But the point is it can be celebrated without guilt. The HEART of what you celebrate matters. GOD wants us to celebrate his son’s birth, right day or not. No big deal on the date. The point is that at the heart of it is God, Jesus, the holy spirit, that is what is important!

          Easter I only celebrate God and I give another party, and we pass out candy. We make fun of the easter bunny and the egg thing. WE mock it openly. The point is that its all in how you chose to celebrate it. Pushing out the Pagan part of it is what makes it ok. Its not blasphemous then! I know people are gonna jump on me about it but this is true. God asks us to worship only him and I do.

          I look at gift giving at Christmas as a way to share a tradition started with God giving us his son. Yes giving someone a Gift card, or a toy is not the same, but the gesture of giving is! The tradition and point of it. I see the Christmas tree as God’s eternal life on going even in the death of winter or in our case the death of human spirit and evil times. I put the star or angel on the top of the tree, we got a blue angel last year that I bought specially with my mom in mind. It reminded me of her somehow. Anyways God wants Angels and Stars on trees thats fine! Its when other items that do not belong up there ge ton the tree that it becomes Santa fest. I love the Christmas lights i look at it as GOd’s on going light in the world, and the many colors represent hope (yellow) Passion or love (red) Green (Blessings) Blue (reflection) and the Clear (purity of Jesus) 😀 See! You can do that too. Just because the old world had bad pagan traditions that tainted Christmas and Easter does not mean it has to remain as such. Or completely be ignored, I also look at Halloween as a time to enjoy family time. Its not about what the world does but what we do, and what GOd uses us for.

        • sylviacroft

          Remember the Lord said for us to avoid even “the very appearance of evil”? Why should a child of God who has come out of darkness into His marvelous light want to play with the things of darkness? Halloween has always been a celebration of death: witches, mummies, ghosts, zombies, goblins, skeletons, etc…. Do you see any light in that? We belong to the Kingdom of Light. In Jeremiah 10 He even tells us not to adopt the customs of the unbelievers. It really grieves my heart that there would be any question from someone who is a follower of Christ that it would be fun to play evil.

          • Desertcatn

            What better opportunity to draw someone out of that darkness, to participate in a Christian activity.

        • guest

          No, it’s not harmful.
          I’m a Christian and I embrace all holidays w/great enthusiasm.
          Many Christian’s do.
          God Bless you, live well and enjoy your life.

        • wandakate

          I would have to revert back to that old saying on the bracelets years ago…WWJD, meaning WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?
          Would JESUS in any form celebrate Halloween, absolutely not, nor would He have anything to do with Easter…He died on a Wednesday and rose “before” sunlight on Sunday morning.
          He would have nothing to do with Christmas either as He wasn’t born in December. I was born in February, why on earth would I celebrate my birthday in June or September?
          I don’t believe in following satan, even though I believe he is alive and well on planet earth, I do not follow anything that has anything to do with him. I don’t celebrate Easter, JESUS was actually crucified on Passover and man changed it to Easter from the fertility goddess and called it Easter. So, either we do what would please the LORD or we don’t.
          JESUS even said, “Not all who say to me LORD, LORD will enter the Kingdom of GOD, but only those that do the will of the FATHER in heaven…We should heed those important words.

      • wandakate

        GUEST: GOOD! If they don’t do the Easter bunny or the witches, ghosts and goblins or the Santa and the tree then good for them. They know the TRUTH, and when you know the TRUTH, the TRUTH will set you free…

      • wandakate

        Any part is it would be considered WRONG, as JESUS would have NOTHING at all to do with any of it. If JESUS were here He would not celebrate ANY of our holidays as they are all pagan. He told us strictly not to have anything at all to do with the pagans or the heathens.
        Remember when He was speaking about the commandments, He said, IF you have broken one of them, you have broken them all. And our traditional holidays are the same. Participate in one or any portion of one and you have done them all…
        We can’t serve GOD and satan at the same time…

    • Jack Rohde

      I see Kirks point and I know it was originally satanic that’s completely true, but maybe he’s right if we turn it into a good thing, like the the Satanists do to God’s word like quote the Bible backwards, then maybe we should turn their stuff back at them and change the meaning it had, just like the peace symbol, it came from joining a satanic coven where you had to break the cross upside down to symbolize that Jesus failed to resurrect and stayed in hell to become a member of the coven, but now people think it means peace.

      • Guest

        Can you imagine Elijah dressing like Baal to try to turn the pagan religion around? Of course not! He denounced it, not pandered to it.

        • Alan Waldo

          Don’t dress up, just give out candy and tell them about the love of Jesus! What could be better, they would be coming to your house asking you to give them something. Give them the knowledge of God’s Gift!

          • wandakate

            ALAN WALDO: That’s a nice thought, but JESUS doesn’t want us to have anything to do with Halloween, or pagan holidays, NOTHING! There are 364 other days in the year to give out tracts and tell people about JESUS and His love, but not on Oct. 31st…

          • areadirector

            wandakate, actually, Halloween is a good day to give out tracts… and candy without actually participating in it. I agree with your stance but I don’t agree that we should take the day off when opportunity after opportunity comes a knocking.

          • wandakate

            AREADIRECTOR: I do see your point, and 365 is a good time to say good things about JESUS and what he is all about, but for me anything to do with Halloween is not right. I associate the candy with the holiday which is Satan’s day. Candy is also fattening, and there are many obese people. Plus many children gorge on it and gain lots of cavities from it. They go overboard bring home bags and bags of it and they eat it for days and days and that is doing nothing for their teeth, not to mention all of satanic forces of that day. I prefer to not have anything at all to do with it, and Children don’t come to where I live anyway, I had no kids knock on my door last evening, so thank GOD for that.

          • Amy

            Really your giving Satan a day?!?!?!

            Psalms 118:24 This is the day which the Lord has made;
            Let us rejoice and be glad in it.

            This type of thinking is exactly why the world wants nothing to do with us. How about extending Jesus’ love and God’s grace and mèrcy???

          • wandakate

            AMY: I said it was satan’s holiday. He gave it to himself. Many people celebrate and honor satan on that day. I know that everyday is the day in which the LORD has made, and I do rejoice and I am glad in it. Don’t be judgmental. You read what I wrote wrong, as I didn’t mean it the way you took it. My thinking is fine. I do extend JESUS love and GOD is full of mercy but he is a jealous GOD and he will bring His wrath on all of those who sin and don’t believe in Him. There will be a judgment day.
            As you judge, you shall be judged.

          • Matt

            Psalm 118:24 refers to Christ’s coming to earth. It does not refer to Hallowe’en. You need to read the entire Psalm in its context, not cherry pick verses.

          • akitty77

            If God is convicting you not to participate, then don’t. But if God is calling a Christian to participate to spread the Gospel, then by all means he should. Kids are going to be out anyway. And you don’t have to give them candy. Kids love stickers or there are glow in the dark bracelets and all sorts of little toys that could be given instead, along with a Bible tract story and give the parents and invitation to attend your church service. We’ve done that in the past. Or if you don’t want to do that, then gather some spiritually discerning intercessors together and pray. There is a lot of darkness and evil going on that evening. We know evil flees when God’s people pray and worship God together.

      • David Ellul

        What does Light have to do with Darkness?

      • wandakate

        JACK ROHDE: That Jack is exactly how satan wants you to be thinking. He was you to complimize with worldly beliefs. Please read all of these comments and they may help you see where you are mistaken and certainly deceived if you think Kirk is right, as he is so mistaken and is pleasing Satan and not pleasing GOD at all. JESUS said that we are not to participate in worldly man-man things, and that is what Easter, Halloween, and Christmas are. They are all 3 very commercial, they are about MONEY!!! The merchants set up Christmas decorations in October right around Halloween. When the Halloween merchandise goes up so does the Christmas merchandise, and all the way until January we have to see all that “stuff”. Money, and greed that’s what they are all about. They have NOTHING to do with JESUS.

        • Sandra Shill

          What does “complimize” mean? I can’t find it in any of my dictionaries and I love learning new words!

          • Matt

            It means you’re obnoxious. (I’m being kind.)

          • Sandra Shill

            If you mean my question was obnoxious, it truly wasn’t meant to be…I was being sincere! When I tried to research the word, I saw it posted on a couple of religious-oriented sites, so I thought perhaps it was some kind of more obscure religious term that I just wasn’t familiar with. And I truly do love to learn new words!

            Do you think the fact that you automatically assume bad intentions in others could be a reflection of your own soul? Just something to think about….

          • Matt

            Do you really think people don’t know how to use the internet? Just something to think about…. Keep exposing yourself. You really don’t know how much you’ve revealed about yourself on the ‘net.

      • Marie Adigwe

        Halloween was not originally Satanic. Theistic Satanism didn’t even exist until after the Christian movement. Halloween was originally pagan, but now different cultures have different ways and reasons for celebrating it, and they do so in their own ways.

        • Matt

          Pagan practices have always equaled Satanic practices. Who do you think originated paganism?

          • Marie Adigwe

            No, they haven’t. Satanic practices are very different, and pagan religions predate all of the Abrahamic religions.

      • Desertcatn

        Amen, Jack, it’s an excellent time to pull someone out of that darkness to participate in a Christian activity.

    • gregthesouthernpresby

      The heart is decietful above all .. that’s why christians should trust the scriptures not make up things as they go. These “church” holidays take a way from the biblical holy day that God has given to his church. The Roman Catholic Church has pressed these man made holidays’ ” co opted pagan high feast days and bound the consciences of the christian. By requiring the attendance of these masses. The Sabbath of the Lord is what he has established and we are all required to attend. The Lord has given 52 days of rest that we are with him and his people.

      • Independant Thinker

        The Catholic church also changed the day of worship from the Saturday Sabbath of the Lord to Sunday the day of the sun god. and most modern churches observe this false day of worship.

    • wandakate

      SOUPGOBLIN; You are correct, Kirk Cameron is so DEAD WRONG!!! Constantine the Emperor had a lot to do with all of it. Easter was a new name for Passover. JESUS wasn’t crucified on Friday and He did not arise on Sunday morning. There were 2 Sabbaths that week, one a High Holy Day Sabbath on Thursday and one the original Saturday Sabbath. Because they were in a hurry to get JESUS in the tomb before the High Holy Day He was crucified and laid in the tomb on Wednesday. He was there for 72 hrs. until Saturday night. He died around 3 pm (Wed.) and he arose sometime after 3pm on Saturday but before dawn (while it was still dark) on Sunday morning (the first day of the week). The roots of Easter are Pagan.
      As for Christmas, right again JESUS “was not” born in December. He also NEVER commanded us to celebrate His birthday. The shepherds were in the fields keeping watch over their flock by night, but NOT in December. It was too cold then. They put the sheep and goats inside in October and they didn’t come out again until March. JESUS had to be born early fall, as it was NOT in December. So, man’s holiday Christmas has absolutely NOTHING at all to do with JESUS and His birth. It’s all from pagan origin and it’s all tradition. It’s all about MONEY, and shopping and gorging out on food and Santa (a myth) and all these man-made things.
      JESUS said you can’t love the world and love the FATHER, We are to be in the world but not of the world.
      ALL of these holidays are wrong…Halloween is nothing more than a holiday to glorify satan and ALL of his EVIL works. IF Kirk things Satan is dead or the demons and something of the past then he is very mistaken. Satan is alive and well on planet earth and he came to kill, steal and destroy and that is what he is doing. He is infiltrating the churches of today and the minds of the Christians. I hope that KIRK CAMERON repents of this and he is not honoring or glorifying GOD in any way by encouraging Christians to celebrate Easter, Halloween, or Christmas, THEY ARE ALL NOT FROM ABOVE, and have NOTHING to do with anything holy.

      • Matt Arnold

        Spooky Jews celebrating new and full moon festivals like modern day pagans eh? 😉 ). Easter comes from the Pagan goddess of life and fertility, Oestra (where we got the word oestrogen).

        Re when Jesus dies and rises – You are correct he didn’t die on Friday and that there were two Sabbaths that week. It was Thursday and he Rose on the Sunday.

        Re Jesus’ birth – check out this I wrote for more info:

        • Matt Arnold
        • wandakate

          MATT ARNOLD: The day starts at sunset and ends at sunset. So being as we are not exactly sure when he arose it could have been on Saturday afternoon anytime after 3pm or before dark (as then it would be Sunday at dark). Or, it could have actually been on Sunday if he arose after dark on Saturday night which would have meant it was in fact Sunday. But either way we know that it was Passover and NOT Easter, and we know that Halloween is satan’s holiday and we know that He was not born on December 25th. and those are the main points here. Thx, I will check it out…

          • Matt Arnold

            https://www.dropbox.com/s/b7tq55w5mjmv58f/Three%20Days%20and%20Three%20Nights%20in%20the%20Tomb%20-%20Thoughts.pdf?dl=0

            I wrote this as a draft paper to discuss the the days and nights issue.

            Re it being Passover and not Easter – of course it was. Biblically and historically – look up eostre in Wikipedia.

            “We know Halloween is Satan’s holiday” – no, you’re just saying that. The modern version isn’t good as it’s a gorefest. However, do your true research and check out academic sources on all hallows eve and you will find it is a Christian holiday. Don’t let the god of misinformation in this age (sadly aided by well meaning Christians passing on false information) blind you to the true history of this holiday which should be reclaimed rather than avoided.

            This world – you’ve gotta be in it to win it 🙂

            Every blessing !

          • wandakate

            MATT ARNOLD: We are instructed to be In the world but not OF the world. You say …you’ve gotta be in it to win it. I am not interested in what this evil world has to offer. Not interested in things pagan or heathen. I know for sure that Halloween is Satan’s holiday as I have already done the research. I have a report on it. Halloween has nothing to do with Christians passing on false information to me. I will never reclaim an evil devil filled holiday where satan is glorified and magic is all around with witches, ghosts, goblins, black magic, devil worship and all the other evil things. Tattoo parlors have their most customers on Oct. 31st. Witches are in their glory on that day. I don’t want to be it in to win it…Our purpose is to get through this life and set an example if we can and then go home where we belong. JESUS said, I am not of this world.

          • Matt Arnold

            I’m interested in what God is saying to the world around me, of which I’m a part of. Which world aren’t you a part of? On a spiritual level I’m not “of” this world, but on a physical level I’m “of” this world – in the same way as you are (unless you’re a disembodied spirit, in which case I’m commanded to have no further contact with you 🙂 ).

            I’ve done my research with academic, peer reviewed sources. Please can you point me to your research sources? Are they academic, or just someone on Youtube who claims to be an ex-satanist and makes a video with some claims which aren’t verifiable (and wouldn’t stand up in a court of law)? I’m really interested in what your sources are. Can you send me links etc, and not just for my benefit, but for those who are also reading these threads?

            I look forward to doing more research with the material you provide.

          • wandakate

            MATT ARNOLD: MY research was done back in 1999-2007 but that was when my husband was alive and we had a big house and a library of books and research materials. Since then he passed away (2011) and all of that is gone. Much went to libraries, some was donated, other things sold. Nothing left to share with you. Do your own research if you’re that interested, it should be too difficult.

          • Matt Arnold

            Oh, sorry to hear that. It’s a shame as I would have loved to have had some real substance to research.

            I have indeed done research – over the past 24 years. In the last two and a half this has been first hand, eye witness account stuff from practitioners in the field, simply because I was getting conflicting reports from Christian sources which wasn’t good for research purposes. Plus, source material is much better to deal with as I discovered whilst doing my degree.

          • wandakate

            MATT ARNOLD: WHAT exactly do you wish to research?

          • Matt Arnold

            The historically true, not imaginary or storytelling, origin of Halloween.

          • Independant Thinker

            I have done a lot of research and found many of the “academic, peer reviewed sources” are so far off base it is laughable. It seems you have used a lot of them in your research and been taken in with their misleading assumptions.

          • Matt Arnold

            Great. So, I call…

            I’d love you to list your URLs, books (titles and authors) so I to can as to see just how far off bar my research material is.

            Now’s your opportunity to help me out. Last person I asked to do this wasn’t able to. Can you better that?

          • Matt Arnold

            Still no joy getting any research resources? You seem to spend an awful lot of time throwing out one liners, yet when anyone asks you for the academic research material you claim to have, you suddenly clam up and run away.

            If you’re an Independant [sic] Thinker, you must have some material with which you can provide me with. After all, all the greatest thinkers have shelves of books with which they’ve sharpened their ideas on. As Prov 27:17 sayeth, “Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend”. What iron have you been sharpening your thoughts about the Great Divine and mission?

            I bet you aren’t able to give me any quality material at all. But here’s holding out some hope you are true to your word when you say “I have done a lot of research”.

            I await with eager expectation.

            Every blessing in Christ.

          • Kathleen Marion

            It is still a tradition of men, not a command of God and because the elements used in that tradition are from paganism then it is totally NOT of God. The origin of Halloween dates back to 5 BC long before Christianity.

          • Matt Arnold

            So you don’t celebrate Christmas or Easter then? Both are still “traditions of men, not a command of God and because the elements used in that tradition are from paganism then it is totally NOT of God. The origin of Christmas and Easter dates [way] back [before] 5BC* long before Christianity.”

            * Note – I’ve used the same wording you use as I’m using the same argument you’re using against you. I’m also intrigued where you get 5BC as a date for the origin of Halloween as I find All Hallows Day (All Saints’ Day) originated around the 4th century AD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Saints%27_Day. Can you provide me with a link / book reference which would be able to help me pinpoint this further please?

            Next time you sing the hymn, “For All the Saints”, remember that it was written to celebrate All Saints Day, which was proceeded by All Hallows (All Holys Eve). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_All_the_Saints

            You don’t need to celebrate Halloween if you don’t wish – I’m not going to judge you. And in the same way, don ‘t judge me for what I wish to celebrate (Colossians 2:16).

            Bright blessings in Christ our Lord.

        • Sandy Buchanan

          Matt Arnold…what exactly do you mean by saying “spooky Jews”? Do you know that our LORD and Savior is Jewish? I believe an apology is in order and your stinking thinking changed. I am a Jewish Believer and that remark is insulting. God Bless.

          • Matt Arnold

            Apologies for being insulted by the remark. I never meant that to be the case to any Jew (and I wholeheartedly agree with your comment).

            The “spooky” bit was intended to be read with the rest of the sentence which served to try and get across the idea that Full Moon and New Moon festivals are often seen by Christians as being associated with pagan festivals such as esbats, and as such anyone who observes moon festivals would be seen by them as being “spooky”.

            I’m a huge fan of the lunar calendar and have written lunar rituals which our Forest Church (East Midlands Forest Church) occassionally engage with.

            Sorry again for any unintended offence caused sister, it was a mistake on my part with the grammatical construction of the sentence.

            Every blessing in Christ!

          • Matt

            You are speaking of Rosh Chodesh, and the Jewish people observed it because God commanded it.

          • Matt Arnold

            http://www.mysticchrist.co.uk/blog/post/East_Midlands_Forest_Church

            And the Christians celebrated it too, don’t forget Colossians 2 : 16)

            And something we are celebrating once again in our church in the woods (see link at start of this entry.

            God bless you.

          • Matt

            I wondered how long it would take you to pull up your New Age site. Wolves in sheep’s clothing and all that.

          • Matt Arnold

            Matt, it’s getting tedious with your one line cheap shots all the time. It’s so much easier for someone to put up throwaway lines on here attacking the point of view of someone else. It’s much harder to think your way through why someone would actually take the trouble to try and engage with people that the vast majority of Christians would run a mile from, shouting “Witch!” etc… And you wonder why people are leaving the church and going into other spiritualities – because a lot of Christians, are simply not spiritual, preferring to be Sunday / Public Christians.

            Why don’t you engage with the people around you in a contextual way, in a way that comes from being trained in and a gifting in missiology and mission to NRMs?

            Double Listening – well worth exploring (here’s a link): http://davidhitherto.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/john-stott-double-listening-and-dependency/

            Missio Dei – Again, another concept well worth exploring if you want to be more effective in engaging people with the full Gospel of Christ: http://www.wycliffe.net/resources/missiology/globalperspectives/tabid/97/Default.aspx?id=3960

            And put away that “Wolves in sheep’s clothing” nonsense until you’ve read through those links and sought God to see what is the road to go.

            Please don’t be like a lot of the comments I’ve seen regarding this article – wise as a doves and gentle as serpents.

            God bless.

          • Matt

            You write a lot but you say nothing. You are a New Age heretic trying to spread your false belief system here. I’m not surprised. You were transparent from the start.

          • Matt Arnold

            At least I write things which are challenging deeply entrenched shallow approaches to mission rather than judgemental words – your post history too is interesting to note and you seem quite unable to seriously debate without resorting to ad hominem attacks – sad really.

            I’m not surprised though either – you don’t want to engage your thought processes and spirit in conversation. You’ve made your mind up I’m a heretic. Well done for reaching a wrong conclusion – but hey, at least I rest in the company of the early Christians who were condemned as heretics by the likes of the religious authorities such as Saul.

            May God have gracious mercy and take the scales from your persecuting eyes as he did with Saul. And then may you rise up once more, stronger and better able to serve our Lord.

            God bless you brother in Christ.

          • Matt

            You’ve actually been very judgmental and harsh, not only to other people, but in regards to the Word of God.

          • Matt Arnold

            Smile. Jesus loves you too.

          • Matt Arnold

            http://youtu.be/Wekp8XB4AoE

            I’ll leave you with this blessing. Your choice whether you accept it or let it return to me.

            It’s been enlightening but I fear we must part company.

            Until we meet at the Lamb’s Wedding Feast, blessed be you. 🙂

          • Independant Thinker

            Sandy, at the time of Christ the modern day Jews were call Israelites and later became known as Jews.

          • Mary Taylor

            I couldn’t believe he said that either. The Jews are still Gods’ chosen people.

        • Matt

          You’re anti-Semitic as well as a pagan apologist? Okay then.

          • Matt Arnold

            Read above, then I’ll accept your apology on calling me anti-semitic 🙂

        • Independant Thinker

          He was DISCOVERED risen early Sunday morning but rose on the evening of the Saturday’s Sabbath. All one has to do is count bacwards to see He was crusified on Wendsday, special Sabbath on Thursday, the women shopped for oils on Friday and Christ rose on Saturday – the 3 days and 3 night He foretold He would spend in the bowels of the earth. You are using the false Sabbath as your day of reverence to determin He died on Thursday.

        • Kathleen Marion

          Spooky Jew? My aren’t you a bit AntiSemitic? I am a Jewish believer and you are quite insulting!

          And for your information New Moon celebrations are COMMANDED BY GOD. Read the end of Isaiah 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
          Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
          “So shall your descendants and your name remain.
          23 And it shall come to pass
          That from one New Moon to another,
          And from one Sabbath to another,
          All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

          24 “And they shall go forth and look
          Upon the corpses of the men
          Who have transgressed against Me.
          For their worm does not die,
          And their fire is not quenched.
          They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

          So since you choose to participate in the celebrations of the heathen I guess we will be looking upon your dead corpse as we leave the celebrations of the Lord. Take note this is after the New Heaven & Earth have come down, so that party in the sky you are looking for isn’t for you if you keep the pagan ways.

          • Matt Arnold

            Wow, I take it you didn’t read my replies below before you chose to say those words regarding anti-semitism. Take a look further down and then I invite you to apologise for them. I’m in no way anti-semitic, to be so would be abhorent to my walk with Christ. If you weren’t so quick to rush to conclusions and judge me, you might be surprised 🙂

            Also, I’m intrigued at your delight in being able to look upon my dead corpse – might be an odd sight seeing as you don’t seem to like the gorefest of Halloween and that sort of thing. Oh, and God doesn’t delight in the death of the wicked (if I’m one of those, which I’m not) – so why do you delight in my death? Why would you join Satan in celebrating the death of a human being? My mind is completely puzzled by your logic in that area. Any suggestions as to why you would delight in my death?

            Also I’d question your eschatology in certain things you mention, but that’s another thread for another time.

            Be seeing you at the Consummation of All Things and I’ll look out for you at the Lamb’s Wedding Feast.

            Evey blessing in Christ our Lord.

      • Kathleen Marion

        Just a tiny correction Yeshua rose from the dead at sundown on the weekly Shabbat which means at sundown Saturday night which is the beginning of the first day of the week. The women did not go to the tomb until early in the morning of the first day as the sun rose. But he had risen at sundown.

        This timing also holds true for the other scripture that people use to justify going to church on Sunday. It is when Paul speaks to the people on “the first day of the week” but it was a tradition to meet AFTER the closing of the Shabbat to break break and feast and celebrate the closing of the Shabbat which is called Havdalah. It was at that time that Paul spoke until midnight on the first day of the week. Because if it had been during the day on Sunday and he spoke until midnight, at sundown it would have become the 2 day of the week.

    • Arrie

      I’m a follower of Christ.
      My family and many friends do not celebrate easter, it’s a commercial institute, same as X-mas you are referring to here.
      My family and I celebrate Passover. Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again.
      We briefly celebrate the birth of Christ, for it’s about YHVH’s love for us in sending Yeshua HaMasiach as the lamb to cleanse our impurities.
      No other forms of celebration is worthy of mentioning, how does it glorify Christ?
      If anything is of darkness, why would you as a Christian take part in it. Steer away from darkness, dark things and culture and seek the Light which is Christ.

      • Matt Arnold

        “No other forms of celebration is worthy of mentioning” –
        not even weddings? Jesus disagrees with you in his first miracle and the fact he’s a party dude who enjoyed being at celebrations and meals. What you are suggesting is gnosticism by the sound of it – be careful as it’s an easy way to appear pious and aesthetic, but misses the point of Jesus coming to give us life in all its fullness.

        Be free from your man made rules to celebrate without anyone looking down on you.

        • Arrie

          Sorry, I was not clear here, weddings are celebrated with the folk who is being married, this after all do not become a commercial institution the following years – you should see where I’m going with this.
          It’s wonderful to celebrate a man and woman stepping into this beautiful covenant, but I’m referring to the other yearly repeating institutes, valentines day another good example and has the same appeal as x-mas and easter and even others.
          We try to be as plain and simple as possible, and do not even make a fuss of our own birthdays (my wife and I).
          We have indeed digressed.
          The point being one would suppose – watch out what is removing your focus from the truth that is in God the Father and Christ Jesus. We are to easy to follow worthless things and institutions.

    • jennylynn

      There is nothing wrong with celebrating Christ’s birth. Not everyone participates in the pagan aspect of it.. Just because it’s been hijacked, doesn’t mean we don’t adore Jesus, which by the way can be done everyday. Holloween on the other hand is demonic.

    • wandakate

      Well, finally somebody with some common sense. Finally somebody willing to tell the TRUTH…The truth will set you free amen…
      Easter, Halloween, Christmas, ALL of them were pagan holidays and they still are. No matter how sugar coated they may be, or how traditional they are, they are still FAKE Christian holidays, and nothing will change that.
      As for JESUS He was born on Passover and one of GOD’s feast times which was in September. He was born before they put the animals in the barns for the winter months, thus another reason He wasn’t born in December as it would have been way to cold in that part of the world and the animals would have been secured inside and NOT out in the fields. The shepherds were not out in December keeping watch over their flock by night…Thank GOD for some common sense! Curt is mistaken about the pre-trib rapture as well as Halloween. It’s actually SATAN’S HOLIDAY…and NO Christian should have anything at all to do with it, not even those masked over Carnivals and Fall Festivals that the churches have, they are all celebrating the same thing in disguise.

    • wandakate

      Yes, all is true and GOD has certainly opened up your eyes to the TRUTH of His word. Now, if more Christians knew this and believed it, wouldn’t that be wonderful. There are days when I want to shout it from the rooftop, but you know scripture says that in the end times they will only want to hear what their itching ears want to hear. They won’t be searching for the truth of the word that will set them free (spiritually). They will look for preachers that will feed them a lie b/c that’s what they can deal with. Many Christians can’t handle the truth, they can’t handle the facts. They are so seeped into their traditions that they won’t break free. JESUS came to set the captives free, and they are captive to satans lies and they don’t realize it. Such a shame.
      It’s that time of year again and Halloween is on one aisle and Christmas is on the other. And it’s been that way since the first of October so from now until January (after Christmas sales) it’s non stop, rush, rush, hurry, hurry, knock people over in the stores (Black Friday sales) and buy and buy and overspend and shop til they drop.
      Satan’s holiday (Halloween) and Christmas (a man made holiday) get lots of attention and it’s all about what? Why it’s MONEY $$$$$$ of course. It’s commercial and if you go into debt, so be it, do they care, not one iota. We have a mindset that we MUST have it all and we want it now.
      GOD is looking down on us and sees what a pitiful condition we’re in and I’m sure His heart aches for us. We just have to mix the love of money and worldly “stuff” within our lives and instead of serving GOD we serve man and support them by buying many things that we or our children don’t want or need. GOD have mercy on us.
      I gave them all up years ago. When you know the truth, the truth will set you FREE…amen.

  • Justin Roby

    If you are christian and think you can celebrate halloween in any form or fashion, then your mind is warped and your reasoning is burnt. Halloween is pure evil. My 6yr old daughter can tell you that.

    • http://motherunit420.blogspot.com/ motherunit

      Halloween is a purely secular holiday in the USA today. It exists to sell candy, costumes and decorations. Plus, it’s hella fun. Lighten up.

      • Guest

        There’s nothing secular about satanism.

        • http://motherunit420.blogspot.com/ motherunit

          I agree! As a Secular Humanist, I don’t like being called a satanist. I don’t believe in satan. Thank you!

          • Jack Rohde

            I am a Christian, but Satan is real and visit’s the Rothschild’s to give advice, and I am not joking.

  • Michial Brown

    Ok Mike, Don’t say the days of the week or the days of the month because they are rooted and based off pagan deities and practices. Oh, I hope you didn’t have a formal wedding ceremony with a bride in a white dress,etc. The whole wedding ceremony and tradition comes from pagan practice too. To consistently monasticize is the only only option for these naysayers. Were not worshipping the winter solstice when we trim our trees, were not worshipping Satan when we get candy from our neighbors. Be consistent and shun it all. Don’t say January, its a god Janus.

    • Guest

      Render to Casear the things that are Caesar’s. To say “January” isn’t the same thing as honoring a holiday based on human sacrifice and satan worship. As far as your wedding claim goes, you must have missed Revelation 21:9.

    • Blake

      But are you glorifying God when you do these things? No, they’re for your enjoyment. We worship in spirit and truth, not according to what makes us feel good. If you want to celebrate the birth of our Christ, wonderful. It’s a beautiful thing. But don’t lie to yourself and more importantly to the Holy Spirit by saying all these traditions of men are for his glory.

  • Adam Gray

    The supposed connections to pagan practices are not as present as some think. In addition, such an insistence displays our inconsistencies http://gospeldrivenfamily.blogspot.com/2014/10/festival-fun-or-pagan-practice-four.html

  • Frank

    Halloween is a satanic celebration no matter how you want to try and justify it. Christians may have freedoms but we are not to use those freedoms to cause others to stumble because then we are not in Christ and therefore out of God and in sin. A Christian does not continue to sin and does not have love of the world. They die to theirselves , their desires, the world’s desires and live for God. The road is narrow and few be that find it. Many are called but few are chosen. Live for Jesus not your desires, Kirk.

  • Alexandria Carson

    I’m very thankful my children understand why we don’t participate in this ungodly day, and why we stand up for righteousness and holiness instead. People wonder why they have absolutely no anointing whatsoever and why certain things come upon them! Quit compromising and watering down the gospel!!

    • wandakate

      ALEXANDRIA CARSON: Praise the LORD that He has opened your eyes to the truth. I am upset that Kirk Cameron has not seen the truth yet. He is wrong in the encouraging of Christians to have anything at all to do with Halloween, and much less Easter or Christmas. They are ALL pagan holidays created by man and NOT by GOD. People are going along with the ways of the world. I did it myself until the LORD opened my eyes to the Truth of what He expected of me, and the works that I do in this life. We are saved by grace, BUT, we are judged by our works/deeds.

    • Desertcatn

      Some haven’t had the opportunities your children have had. God has been out of our schools for almost a generation, it’s a good opportunity to reach out to children with an alternative Christian activity. Aren’t we called to bring more children to Jesus Christ?

  • Jamie Offergeld
  • Martin

    Mike Gendron is looney, sorry no offense to anyone, but he always goes up to debate knowledgeable Catholics and ends up losing. Isnt there a better speaker to quote?

  • Tina Taylor

    we knew about the living dead and rising from the grave. were these entities evil? what did they look like? we didn’t know. this started before we learned of God and His truth. if you think about it, the Paegans gave us something beautiful- celebration of the rising of the dead. Hallelujah !!! the earth is made to look like man’s idea of hell. Christians know this is not their fate. this provides opportunity to share His truth with others and let them know they have a choice.

    • Guest

      The dead don’t rise without Christ. What do pagans know about Him?

  • Martin

    Do you know that Halloween is a distinctively US invention? don’t blame the Church – they dont celebrate Halloween in Italy and most of the world. Blame US society for distorting it.

    • Guest

      That is not true. What do you think Día de Muertos is all about?

      • Martin

        Its not Halloween thats for sure.

    • Matt

      Actually the Irish brought it over to the US. It then evolved into the commercial celebration it is today, but the US didn’t start it.

  • John_33

    How dressing up like a devil or goblin shows that they are defeated foes I’ll never know. Could you picture Peter or Paul in such costumes? We need to get serious. The Bible doesn’t tell us that devils are “foolish has-beens who used to be in power but not anymore.” Instead, it tells us not to be ignorant of Satan’s devices and that we are to wrestle against the powers of the darkness of this world. Telling people that the battle is over is dangerous – especially for new believers. The battle is not over; it’s actually getting worse. God gave us spiritual armor to defeat the enemy. We need to put it on and use it if we want to be victorious.

    • Jack Rohde

      You are right think about it for a minute, what if Demons are real, do we want to open that door?

      • wandakate

        JACK ROHDE: What is demons are real????????? Of course they are real. Satan fought with JESUS in the garden promising Him the world if only JESUS would bow down to him. Satan wants to be worshipped by man and many Christians are doing just that by celebrating Halloween. We are fighting a spiritual battle of good vs. evil here in this life. That is what it all boils down to, where is our worship, to GOD or to man? We can’t have this both ways. “Either you are for me or against me”, JESUS said.

    • wandakate

      JOHN 33: I’M wondering what on earth has gotten into Kirk Cameron! He seemed to have started off on the right track but as he grows he is just going down the other road. Hopefully he will get back to the straight and narrow road, b/c that wide road that he seems to be going down is going to lead him to some dark places. Satan has not “gone away”, and he and his demons are alive and well in the spiritual world and he is working now 24/7 as he knows he has but a short time to get it all together. JESUS is coming soon and people are falling away from what they once believed, they are lukewarm and JESUS said that if they are that way he will spew them out of his mouth ( have nothing to do with them ). We need to turn back to GOD before it’s too late. There is no place in Halloween for Christians only hypocrites that are pretending to be Christians.

  • Charlie Rizzo

    Go Kirk…..

  • cropchick

    I’d take this Gendron guy a little more seriously if he called for Christians to not celebrate Easter, I mean Ishtar… you know the pagan holiday with eggs and rabbits to celebrate fertility…. Exactly. Which Christian would do that? It’s all about where your heart is. I am going to go share the love of Christ today, with a bunch of little kids dressed up as nothing creepy.

    • Guest

      He doesn’t celebrate Easter. He celebrates the Resurrection of Christ.

      • cropchick

        What does he tithe with? The dollar has several occult symbols on it. Has he eaten at McDonald’s? I’ve yet to go there and not seen an occult symbol on the happy meal box… The point is, if you are going to avoid all evil you are going to have to live in a cave. Some are called to go behind enemy lines a little deeper than others. We aren’t scared, we walk with Christ, He guides us.

        • Guest

          Christ already answered your contention when He said to render unto Caesar the t hings that are Caesar’s. That has nothing to do with Christians getting into the celebration of satanism.

          • cropchick

            By showing the love of Christ on a pagan holiday (by the way May Day is also a satanic holiday, as is Christmas and a whole slew of others) we are not celebrating a satanic holiday… You seem to be missing the point of reaching the lost. Jesus was accused of being many things while reaching the lost…. using the power of the devil was one of them.. He wasn’t scared either.

          • Guest

            Jesus Christ never partook of Satanism, pagan holidays, or sinful activities. Cite one passage while He partook in handing out sweets in Baal worship and I’ll show you were it’s okay to partake in Hallowe’en. He did not go to strip joints and brothels to win sinners to Himself. He called them OUT.

          • cropchick

            By the way, the face of Caeser is not an occult symbol. The Eye of Horus is, the 13 lines of the pyramid are and the pyramid is as well. I believe the question the Pharisees of that time had nothing to do with the occult but paying taxes to a unrighteous government.

          • Guest

            The Caesar analogy is fitting because it shows that things of the world belong to things of the world, and holy things belong to God. You have to discern by following the spirit behind a matter, rather than by being legalistic and sticking to the letter. That was Christ’s contention with the Pharisees.

  • mike

    It’s unfortunate that as Christians we argue over the simplest things putting other Christians down and name calling when we don’t agree with something. We are called to stand in unity with one another even when we might have at times differing opinions. Perhaps if God looked at us and excepted us on the basis of what and how we thought we would all be condemned, but his UNWORLDLY LOVE accepts us and stands with us even when at times we get it wrong–his love is patient. If our acceptance depends on the rightness of our doctrines then we might as well go home and close up shop because we all fall short here.

    Rather than finding things to fight over and tearing each other down we need to in love come together and build each other up in the Spirit. We need each other to fight for our country and it’s values that have become eroded due to our lack of commitment to Christ and his church in the world. There are things that are biblically wrong with the church and our country and the origins of Christmas and holloween are not one of them. We need to start with ourselves getting our lives right with God and becoming grounded on godly principles in a healthy and balanced way. Then become a positive voice with each other against the wrong headed agendas surrounding us. Just a thought.

    • John_33

      That’s exactly what this conversation is about. Christians need to get back to the Bible and rightly divide the Word to understand what God wants for each of us. In the book of Hebrews, God tells us that we are to discern between good and evil. It’s not hard to see that a holiday rooted in pagan practices that focus on death, goblins, devils, ghosts, skeletons, tombstones, and evil is not something that God is pleased with. The only carnal thing that Halloween has going for it is free candy, and we shouldn’t let that blind us to what the holiday is really about. The Bible says that we are separate ourselves from the world and avoid the unclean thing. If we want to get closer to God, then we need to first separate ourselves from the world.

    • cropchick

      Exactly. I have no qualms sharing the love of Christ on a pagan holiday. On the other hand I have friends who come from families with occult histories that avoid Halloween like a recovered alcoholic avoids the bar. (We all manage to get along and love each other) I have issue with Gendren calling Kirk to repent. Both are probably doing exactly what they’re supposed to be doing.

      • Guest

        Taking part in a satanic festival has nothing to do with the love of Christ.

        • cropchick

          Let me put it to you this way. Let’s say there’s a Black Mass ritual and we both know there’s a person on the alter who is going to die. I’m the person praying for protection, trusting that Christ has overcome the world and going in to rescue. You’re the guy at church saying I’m too holy for that.

          • Guest

            You don’t even make sense. How does dressing up in a costume and giving out candy save someone from a satanic altar?? As far as saving people goes, you don’t know what I do or don’t do. Judgmental much?

          • cropchick

            I’m not dressing up or handing out candy. Judgmental much? I said I was going to show the love of Christ on a pagan holiday.

          • Guest

            But we are talking about dressing up and handing out candy, which is what partaking in Hallowe’en is. You equated that to showing the love of Christ. I have only your words to go by. Perhaps you should try following the line of conversation instead of pointing fingers.

          • cropchick

            Mike (where this started) made no mention of dressing up or handing out candy. I was saying that I have friends who don’t do anything on Halloween. I get that because of their family history. My family history is different. You are the only one who mentioned it.

          • Guest

            The article makes mention of these things, which is where the conversation really began.

        • NvrGiveUp

          Did you even read the article? It’s a purely puritan American invention that Halloween is “satanic.” That is NOT its origins.

          • Guest

            No matter how much catholicism tries to dress it up, Hallowe’en was always a pagan practice, brought over from Ireland. It was not an American invention, and the Puritans wouldn’t touch it. In fact, the Puritans wouldn’t celebrate Christmas because of its pagan roots, and insisted on spending the day working in the fields. Don’t try to rewrite history to suit your agenda.

          • NvrGiveUp

            I think you misunderstood what I said. Puritans didn’t invent Halloween, they invented the accusation that it was “satan-worship.” Protestants had issue with it, but that’s because Protestants and Catholics disagree on prayer for the dead. Nothing like the claims American Puritans would make. Granted, secular society has made Halloween a pretty messed up celebration, but that doesn’t mean we abandon it anymore than we abandon Christmas to Santa Claus.

            And what agenda? How is the origin of Halloween an agenda?

            Here, buddy. Read up (not that you’ll believe it): http://www.ucatholic.com/blog/the-catholic-origins-of-halloween/

            And again: http://www.wordonfire.org/resources/blog/its-time-for-catholics-to-embrace-halloween/2133/

          • Guest

            Puritans stood by the Word of God which states that idolatry is sin. Hallowe’en came from Irish paganism, and being obedient Christians, the Puritans renounced it. Catholicism continues to spread pagan beliefs and idolatry, as witnessed by their idolatrous statues of “Mary” and the like.

          • NvrGiveUp

            Didn’t realize you were Puritans. Nevermind then. Is that what ChristianNews is?

      • mike

        Thanks for sharing cropchick. There’s more love of God in it when we seek the relationship first for Christ sake. God will take care of the rest as we are his vessels of grace to each other walking in love. As the chorus goes, “They will know we are Christian by our love.”

        • Guest

          The Bible says that obedience is love.

          • mike

            Amen Guest! Obedience working in love, Gal 5:6.To love God with all our heart, mind , soul, strength, and love our neighbor, Matt 22:37-40. Our vertical relationship with God results in our horizontal relationships with others, 1 Jon 3:14; 4:20. Blessings.

  • Neenee Bugbee

    Kirk I support you always have. Keep on testifying brother.

  • Jamin Taylor

    I sincerely hope that Mike Gendron will see the pagan origins of Christmas and Easter and the similar connection to the Roman Catholic religious system. We should not be celebrating those unholy days either.

  • Dufus

    Some people say the dumbest things.

  • Sally Kocot Baldelli

    Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone. (John 8:7)…. I suggest you leave Kirk alone. Also in scripture: Matthew 7:3..Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then
    shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Please do not judge Kirk, but remember: Ephesians4:27…. neither give place to the devil.

    • Frank

      Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work. 2John 9-11

      All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2Timothy 3:16

  • Eric Dee Hanson

    So when do the pagans get christmas back?

    • Bolvon72

      As soon as you start calling it the Winter Solstice instead. That’s how my family got it back. On the proper day of course.

  • Martin

    A more credible person could have been used than Grendon. IMO

  • Dayami

    Awesome! Jesus is the LIGHT of the world…those of us who stand in the Light cannot and should not entertain darkness.

  • Nara C JRao

    I really don’t know if the Satanists celebrate ‘defeat of death’ or death itself?

  • Chrissy Vee

    I do not agree with Kirk cameron whatsoever, but i do have a quetion about the following verses…
    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ~Colossians 2:16-17~

    Is this saying, if someone wants to celebrate any holiday, as long as it is not against their conscience, let it be? And if it is against your conscience, do not celebrate? But judge neither party who does or does not join in because in the grand scheme of things it really doesn’t matter?
    Please note, I do believe that so much satanic evil happens on this day, so I do not participate. I am just really asking this question…. so please don’t hate. Thanx! 🙂 ♥

    • Guest

      Paul was referring to Jewish holy days and Moses’ Law, not to pagan practices.

      • Chrissy Vee

        But of course. Thank you Guest. 🙂

        • Guest

          You’re welcome. 🙂

  • adrian kovalski

    wow i never thought this guy would say something like this
    christians should dress like demons to show that they overcame them
    thats the stupidest thing i ever heard in my life
    thats exactly what satan would wanth christians to do
    we dont overcome demons by dressing like one
    you are joining them
    this guy just proved he is part of the illuminati part of the occult
    and its no wonder he promoted left behind
    a theology thats not in the bible
    seee john todd the ex illuminati dude was right
    he told us in the 70s that they are in our churches and they are running the show

  • kristopherburr

    I say be mindful of wolf in sheep’s clothing. I am convicted not to celebrate, if you do that’s your decision. American’s always find way’s to justify, However when I get before my Daddy. He will be proud and say I knew you, so why participate in anything of this world that doesn’t bring glory to him. Name one way Halloween brings glory to the kingdom and I’ll knock door’s too…

  • Jeanette Victoria

    Kirk is right Halloween wasNEVER a Pagan holiday until the narcissistic neo-pagans claimed it with dubious “scholarship” time to take the day back.And please stop with the Roman Catholic bigotry

  • Carolyn Anne Venable

    “Abstain from all appearance of evil.” 1 Thess 5:22

  • John

    Understanding What The Bible Says

    1. Hate evil-don’t delight in it.

    God views witchcraft and all other occult activities as evil:

    “Do not allow a sorceress to live.” -Exodus 22:18

    “Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by
    them. I am the Lord your God.” -Leviticus 19:31

    “I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists
    to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his
    people.” -Leviticus 20:6

    “A man or a woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to
    death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.”
    -Leviticus 20:27

    “So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the
    sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit,
    and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with
    each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the
    Spirit, you are not under law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious:
    sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred,
    discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissension, factions and
    envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like” -Galatians 5:16-21

    Clearly, our God despises occultism. So the question is, “How much do I
    hate the things God hates? And if I really hate what He hates, just how often
    will I want my children to celebrate what He calls an abomination?”

    2. Be an imitator of God.

    “Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children…”
    -Ephesians 5:1

    We are told to be imitators of God, not of the devil or evil spirits.

    3. Be transformed–don’t be conformed to this world.

    Christians belong to God; the world is in rebellion against God. So we’re not
    supposed to fit in here. God very clearly tells us to be different from our
    neighbors:

    “Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your
    bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-this is your spiritual
    act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be
    transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and
    approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.” -Romans
    12:1-2

    4. Recognize Satan’s power–don’t make fun of it.

    Celebrating Halloween can encourage children to take lightly the forces of darkness.
    That’s a serious mistake. We should always take the occult seriously:

    “In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject
    authority and slander celestial beings. But the archangel Michael, when he was
    disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a
    slanderous accusation against him, but said, ‘The Lord rebuke you!’ Yet these
    men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things
    they do under-stand by instinct, like unreasoning animals-these are the very
    things that destroy them.” -Jude 8-10

    5. Protect weaker believers–don’t provoke them.

    Even if you are confident that exposing your children to occult influences will
    not harm them, what about other young believers? Can you guarantee the
    continuing spiritual health of Christian children who may be encouraged by your
    children’s example to participate in a satanic holiday? Consult Romans 14 and 1
    Corinthians 8.

    6. Distance yourself from evil.

    “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is
    right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything
    is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things.” -Philippians 4:8

    “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose
    them.” -Ephesians 5:11

    7. Beware of a day which glorifies countless things that God calls abomination.

    “When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to
    imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you
    who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or
    sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a
    medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is
    detestable to the Lord, and because of these detestable practices the Lord your
    God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the
    Lord your God. The nations you will dispossess listen to those who practice
    sorcery or divination. But as for you, the Lord your God has not permitted you
    to do so.” -Deuteronomy 18:9-14

    8. Consider New Testament believers’ responses to occult
    influences

    The early Christians not only refused to participate in occult activities; they
    even destroyed their occult books which were fantastically valuable and could
    have been sold at a very high price to further the Lord’s work: “Man of
    those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. a number who
    had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly.
    When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand
    drachmas. In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in
    power.” -Acts 19:18-20

    Note: in the ancient world, one drachma bought an entire sheep. 50,000 drachmas
    represented a substantial sum: at current livestock prices, the modern
    equivalent would be something over $3 million. How could these documents be so
    high-priced? The NIV Study Bible comments, “The high price was not due to
    the quality of the books but to the supposed power gained by their secret
    rigmarole of words and names.”

    9. Watch out for last-days deceptions.

    “The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith
    and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.” -1 Timothy 4:1

    Even if you feel that Halloween was not too harmful to most young people in
    past generations, you should consider rethinking the issue today, in view of
    Halloween’s potential to foster the end-time delusions that the Bible warns us
    will come.

    • Matt Arnold

      Ex 22:18 – the word translated as witch in the kjv is actually poisoner. King James had a fear of witches and so wanted that word used to justify exterminating them (not the first time Scripture has been used to subjugate a people group). If I follow your translation then I need to kill a double digit amount of my friends who openly practise witchcraft – do you really think I should go ahead and do that? (Remember this is a public forum and your response may be used by others to condone killing)

      • Sha-wei

        (Cont.) Nonetheless, to my mind, what settled the true thrust of your message of “get(ting) creative and engag(ing) with your community in CULTURALLY RELEVANT ways” was your admission that “a double digit amount of my FRIENDS…openly practise witchcraft”. Excuse me? “Don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who CHOOSES to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God”. (Emphasis mine throughout)

        YOURS, however, goes beyond the quotidian “world” we deal with – people who sin from sensuality, venality or amorality; YOUR “friends”
        include people who actively court and commune with the powers of the Dark Side, the Occult. Witchcraft is a particular sin that the Lord condemned from ancient times as “detestable”, “evil” and worthy of death for its practitioners. Under the New Covenant, the censure is no less extreme: “…idolatry, witchcraft…heresies…and such like:..they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”. Instead, “…those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur”.

        Are you proud of your occultist associations as you merrily deride opposing arguments, ending every exchange with a tongue-in-cheek blessing? Should you not rather busy yourself in reaching out to those in Satanic bondage by the power of the same Spirit that you so blithely claim as your guiding force? If you did, you might report results like
        those of Paul at Ephesus: “…they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor. Many of those who
        believed now came and openly confessed what they had done. A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly”.

        The apostle did not attempt to befriend those in mortal danger but rather, allowed God to work the miracle of conversion by his powerful testimony. For after all, “what fellowship can light have with darkness”? And “is Christ a friend of Satan”? Yet YOU choose to be friends with
        the servants of the Lord’s sworn Enemy and his demons, and brazenly attribute divine guidance to your fraternizing! You are therefore: an unwary believer who has been blinded by the “god of this world”, or, no other than one more of those learned and smooth-talking DECEIVERS who ply these verbal waters. In either case, you are a DANGER to yourself and to all genuine Christians.

        • Matt Arnold

          I’ll stick with my pagan friends, thanks for your “genuine Christian” warnings though. It’s nice to think someone’s covering my back and concerned about me. I choose my friends because I choose to associate with those whom society (and highly religious zealots from what I see on here) reject by and large. Kinda similar to a certain Jesus Christ who said “Be holy as I am holy” and descended to our world, walking amongst those “enemies” as you like to call them, making himself “of no repute” in order to reach out to them. I’m already of “no repute” from both your comments and other zealots on here who seek to condemn me for my outreach attempts and friendships.

          Friendship with the “world” doesn’t mean friendship with people, it means intimacy with systems that are worldly. Similar to being yolked to unbelievers isn’t association, it’s meaning that when one turns (to sinful activities), the other turns (to sinful activities) – that’s yolking. You need to gen up on your Biblical scholarship if you’re saying what you say in your message above!

          “tongue-in-cheek blessing” – erm, no. If you see it as that, you’re missing the blessing I’m sending people. I don’t bless in a tongue-in-cheek manner, for that’s using God’s name in vain. Sorry you can’t get your head around that. 2 Corinthians 10:5 – “We destroy every proud obstacle that keeps people from knowing God. We capture their rebellious thoughts and teach them to obey Christ.” – that’s my role, for your arguments would have me stay away from these people, allowing them to stay where they are. My arguments are to follow the example of Christ and get stuck in alongside people, whoever they are, whatever they believe, even if they may be diametrically opposed to my belief system, for the simple reason that “Christ came into the world to save sinners” and when he invited the religious people, they often rejected the invitation, so Jesus sent out invitations to all those in the highways and byways.

          Yes I “brazenly” say It’s fun following Christ wherever he walks and his Spirit blows – such is the adventure that Christ takes us on. And you know why I’m so brazen about it? Because I glory in what Jesus is doing for people who the religious zealots have rejected, happily condemning them to hell without batting an eyelid. If Jesus can go to a pagan pool (John 8) and heal a person without ramming a gospel message beforehand down the lame man’s throat (telling him to sin no more *after* the healing), if Jesus can go to caesarea philippi, a roman outpost packed full of pagan idols (http://www.defendingthebride.com/ch/ca/rock1.html) then I’ll go where Jesus calls me to, even if it’s to pagan places to take the message of love, hope and salvation, with the gifting of tribal tongues with which I have been anointed.

          “Learned” – yes, you could say I am. “Smooth talking” – well, I’ll take that as an insult tbh. “deceiver” – well, now you’re being plain silly.

          “unwary believer” – nope. “Discerning”.

          The Spirit takes me to some very different places than you would choose to go to. That’s my calling. Yours is very different and seems to involve attempting to quench the Spirit’s fire in a fellow believer – repent to God now, before it’s too late!”

          Talking of Paul in Ephesus – tell me oh wise one… How long was Paul in Ephesus? How much time did he spend and can you tell me any Bible verse (because let’s face it, you’re not going to accept anythign outside of the Bible), which Bible verse in Acts 19 says that Paul condemned those in the temple of Artemis? Read through and see what the report on them was at the end of the riot. No charge! Why? Because Paul knew that Christianity was strong enough to stand on its own two feet and didn’t have to enter a mud-slinging match with other belief systems (which the zealots on here seem to love, with their CAPITALISATION of nasty words and insults etc :D). His approach was “Taste and see that the Lord is good”. That’s my approach too. Not ramming judgementalism down their throats in some manic street preacher style which I see on here.

          If I’ve been blinded, it’s by the glory of God evident in the world around me….
          “Earth’s crammed with heaven,
          And every common bush afire with God,
          But only he who sees takes off his shoes;
          The rest sit round and pluck blackberries.”

          You have made many challenges to me and my ministry.

          Yet, we know nothing of God’s calling in your life. What places are you going to to share the good news? What kinds of people do you hang out with in order to share the good news? What missionary outreach are you involved with which is effectively engaging the community you are in so that you are seeing barriers broken down and people seeing Jesus in your life? What friends do you have – Christian or non-Christian? What fellowship are you choosing to have with those who do not yet know the good news of Jesus?

          If you’re choosing to stay in the salt cellar, you my friend are in danger of being cast out for losing your saltiness, for hiding your light under a bushel and for attempting to destroy the light filled ministry of other brothers and sisters. Repent now of your ways if this is the case and seek God humbly and ask for mercy and grace to surrender your proud heart to Him, asking to be transformed into His likeness, the likeness that went to the darkest of places in order to shine his light and guide others. Don’t be a whitewashed tomb, full of dead men’s bones.

          Yes, I’m strongly wording my response to you, in the same way that Jesus strongly spoke against all those who would see the Kingdom of God advanced where he wished. It’s done out of love for a fellow believer in Christ, and I pray you will see the light of what it means to be truly incarnational in your mission, just as Christ was truly incarnational in his.

          Maybe I am a “dangerous” Christian – simply because I don’t take silly talk from zealous people who seek to destroy and accuse the bretheren (after all, that’s what you’re doing, you’re accusing me – and that role is for Satan alone). I want to be a “dangerous” Christian – dangerous to those who seek to prevent the advancement of the Kingdom of God.

          I will end with a blessing for you as a brother in Christ. If you wish to take that blessing, then please do so. If you wish to reject that blessing, let me know and I’m sure it’ll return to me…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZTFyj97CxA

  • pastoredsmith

    I agree with Kirk! He brings a point to the table that most of us ignore. We tend to be afraid of “spooks” and consider them as threats to our safety, but since the Resurrection, we have no reason at all to fear them! So, even atheist kids who dress as “spooks” are mocking the devil and his “minions.” We have advocated an alternate celebration such as a Fall Festival. I still do. But, I don’t freak out when kids dress up like spooks. I laugh at their cute costumes knowing that it is mocking satan. After all, the “devil” is not wearing a red suit with horns, a tail and a pitchfork! He would be attractive if we saw him in person today. He wants to devour us, so why not bring to light the fact that he is a defeated foe. Maybe somebody’s kid will dress as a red wasp with its stinger removed. Then, we can all laugh at the devil because we know Jesus!!

  • Galvatron-L

    You people are a joke. There is nothing wrong with halloween… only superstitious nut bags stuck on religious pretense. I definitely believe in Jesus and the word of God but you pharisee-like weirdos need to step of your high horse and get some sense… and repent for being too prideful and ignorant.
    If a person celebrates demonic things then that is clearly wrong but unless they are doing that and are otherwise just having fun shut your petty contrived and conceited holier than thou mouths… with all that foolishness

  • NvrGiveUp

    Catholics were the first to celebrate Christmas and Easter as well – should we be avoiding those holidays too? To pretend all Catholicism is “pagan” would be the same as calling ALL of Christianity pagan until the reformation, which is ridiculous. The “pagan” Catholics assembled the Bible. Should Protestants toss that aside as well? Sounds to me like Kirk knows his theology AND Christian history a lot better than Gendron, who is bordering on puritanism here. And for those of you who think Halloween is actual satan worship…maybe you should reread what Kirk said and then do some actual research.

    • Guest

      The Bible existed long before the catholic cult began.

      • NvrGiveUp

        Interesting. You might consider reading about the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD. Or did you think God sent down lightning and that was what assembled the Bible?

        • Guest

          God Himself wrote the Law (the early part of the Bible) with His very finger, and all of it with His Holy Spirit long before catholicism got its hands on it and tried to ban, distort, and burn it. The Bible was published with the blood of saints who were slaughtered by catholic popery who hated the Word because it gave us freedom and not the bondage which the catholic “church” uses to ensnare the souls of men.

          • NvrGiveUp

            Uh…wait, you don’t realize that the day we’re arguing about is All Saints Day (a Catholic celebration)? You think Catholics were the ones who persecuted saints??? Like Francis of Assisi, Augustine, Stephen, Sebastian, Theresa of Avila, Joan of Arc, Monica, etc. How…where do you get your information?

            You actually think God physically wrote the Torah? Not sure how to respond to that. I had no idea some denominations believed anything that crazy. Catholics burned and banned the Bible – Catholics published and spread the Bible by hardcopy and then printed it with the Gutenberg! What..how do you…where do you get your information?!? Clearly not any history books. Clearly not the actual writings of early Christians.

            You would do well to read some of the writings of early Christians and read up on Christian history. I’m guessing you believe all of history was just full of lies and don’t trust any of it? Do you think there was no Holocaust either?

            Again, read about the Synod of Hippo – it was when the canon itself was established. No Christian historian would disagree with this – it’s been agreed upon always. Your refusal to acknowledge actual history and facts would offend Martin Luther.

            If you can’t engage in rational discussion based on actual history, there’s no real point in continuing to talk. This is weird.

          • Guest

            The Bible says God wrote the Law with His finger. (Exodus 31:18) .

            Christians were persecuted, and continue to be persecuted, by catholics. The Bible was recorded prior to the Gutenberg Bible, which was written in Latin and only okayed by the pope because it wasn’t in the language of the people. In other words, they held back the Holy Scriptures from the average person because that would make the masses easier to control with superstition, threats, and manmade rules.

            Prior to the Gutenberg Bible, there was the Wycliffe Bible, and Wycliffe was persecuted by the catholic church. After his death, the pope ordered his body burned and spread the ashes in the river because in his superstitious mind, he thought that would prevent Wycliffe from resurrecting.

            The catholic church has systematically persecuted early publishers of God’s Word, scientists who made discoveries contrary to papal superstition and beliefs, and the Jewish people.

            For true history (and not the false information you’ve been fed by the catholic organization), check out Martyr’s Mirror, Foxe’s Book of Martyrs, and the case of Richard Hunne, just to name a few. For modern persecution records, check out what the catholic church has done, and continues to do to the Christian Serbian people, Mexicans who convert to Christianity from catholicism, and Rawanda masacres (Christians attacked by catholics). There exists today a systematic persecution by the catholic church of true believers to this day. They continue to have the blood of saints and martyrs on their hands.

          • NvrGiveUp

            You’re discounting all of the Catholic saints who have been martyred. There was much evil done by Catholics, no question. But we can’t ignore the fact that until the reformation, all Christians were Catholic.

          • Guest

            Catholicism did not begin with Christianity. It is an offshoot cult that took many years to develop. It is not, nor was it ever, a Christian group. The early Christians were Jewish, and later Gentile. The New Covenant was written in Greek. It’s a catholic myth that early Christians were catholic. That’s actually blasphemous. No true Christian would adhere to popish beliefs.

        • Matt

          You might consider reading the Bible.

          • NvrGiveUp

            I do, everyday! Thanks. However, it doesn’t seem to say anywhere in the Bible which books belong in the Bible. So someone must have assembled the Bible at some point…how can you claim to love the Word but not care about where it comes from?

      • NvrGiveUp

        And, by the way, this is well known by anyone who knows basic history. Martin Luther didn’t deny that the Catholic Church assembled the Bible. He just argued they did it wrongly. Even then, his only issue was with the Septuagint.

        • Guest

          Martin Luther did not invent Christianity. Jesus Christ did, and His Jewish followers spread it. That was long before Martin Luther and the catholic organization. That is history, and that is basic fact. I’m sorry you’ve believed what you’ve been fed, but you need to examine real history and real evidence, much like scientists had to discover for themselves that the earth was round (as the Bible states) rather than the backwards belief that it was flat (as spread by the catholic organization).

          • NvrGiveUp

            Martin Luther invented Protestantism (ie: any denomination of Christianity NOT Catholicism). My point was that the Catholic Church assembled the Bible in 393, and that not everything that came from Catholics should be tossed out just because Catholics are involved. There is no real debate on this topic…there is no other proposed origin in history. Just out of curiosity, where do you think the Bible came from? That everyone just randomly agreed on which books and gospels were inspired by the Holy Spirit? There were gospels of Thomas and Peter being read during the first 200 years of Christianity -why aren’t they in the bible? Paul wrote many other letters -why aren’t they included? Do you have an answer to any of these questions?

          • Guest

            Martin Luther led a movement, but he in no wise began Christianity. There were Christians long before the catholic church began its cult movement. As far as which books were included in the Bible, “holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (2 Peter 1:21)

  • NavyBlues05

    [face palm] Another childhood playground argument, “My religion is better than yours.”
    Just take your toys and go to your rooms boys, there’s room enough for all beliefs on this big blue ball. That is if y’all will quit taking the toe stompin’, insult the non-believer approach.

  • http://www.ulster-scots.co.uk/ Kilsally

    Actually Halloween, Easter & Christmas were all appropriated by the Roman Catholic Church when they were converting pagans in Europe. Halloween was the pagan festival of Samhain in UK/Ireland , Easter was Ishtar & Christmas was Yuletide all connected to various solstice & lunar events – so Pagan & Roman Catholic origins. Re Kirk comments on the dead – the RC church does this because they pray for the dead, get indulgences for dead relatives to spend less time in Purgatory. Reformed Christians shouldn’t touch Halloween for all those reasons.

    • Guest

      Kirk was married in the catholic church. Chelsea is catholic. I could go on, but Kirk has never really been solid. He follows the gospel according to Chelsea.

  • Erik Griffiths

    Nothing amuses me more when two people argue about how to worship their imaginary friend.

    • NavyBlues05

      Seriously, I have more important things to do, like making sure neighborhood kids are safe and having a good time on this night.

  • Julie Estrella

    Did Kirk Cameron get invaded by the body snatchers? Is he the wolf in sheep’s clothing? How did he get off track? God forbid to lead the people astray! You have to account to YHVH God. I can’t even believe what I am reading! Kirk read Jeremiah in the Bible. I see day by day how the devil rules the earth, mocking YHVH God. The people have allow evil to rise on earth, even in the churches. Thanks to Mike Gendron for sharing his view.

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

    There is nothing Christian about Halloween or any holiday on the calendar. These holidays have their origins in Pagan Rome which is now Papal Rome. The RCC may pose as Christians but they are anything but. In fact, the Bible declares that the RCC is home of antichrist. With that being said, why would one want anything to do with the RCC, its vain traditions, and utter hatred of the Godhead? See the facts on the RCC and Halloween here:

    http://remnantofgod.org/halloween.htm

    • Matt Arnold

      “These holidays have their origins in Pagan Rome which is now Papal Rome”

      So does the Protestant Church and the version of the Bible you now read in your own language. And so your argument is therefore null and void with that as the basis of your argument.

      If you’re going to argue against Halloween, at least choose an argument which doesn’t fall at the first hurdle of logical analysis, it makes Christianity a laughing stock to the world which can see right through the argument.

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

        Wrong. The Protestant Church is in apostasy and have embraced the heresy of the harlot church in Rome. If Martin Luther was alive, he would declare that is no different from the RCC. Chrisianity is the laughing stock in your eyes because it has conformed to the world, and the devil would not have it any other way. Because Christians are too lazy to open up their own bibles, read bogus bibles ( http://www.remnantofgod.org/B-BIBLES.HTM ), trust in mans logic versus the sure Word of God. Today’s “christian” church is not the bride of Christ. Its not Christianity. Its feel good CHURCHianity. It does not bear the truth because it cares more about money and merchandise rather than rebuke and reproof. There is ONLY a small body of believers today that actually keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus to help them keep those Commandments. Satan is the ultimate conqueror. He divides the church from within…and he has been doing it for eons. Today such things like women pastors, false doctrine (7 year trib, secret rapture, immortal soul), homosexual marriage, union of church and state (501(c)3), wordly attire in the churches, destroying the bodily temple with drugs and unclean food, embracing those that shack up, right to kill, desire to engage in politics…I can go on and on…but when your EYES are open, these things are made plain that if I would ever to step back into a Sunday church…well lets just say my stomach probably would not handle it…

        By the way…Rome admits that all holidays have their origins in paganism

        I’ll let a popular Roman Cardinal give you all the proof you’ll ever need. Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the “The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}” -An Essay on The Development of the Christian Doctrine John Henry “Cardinal Newman” p.359

        • Matt Arnold

          Personally I can’t speak for Martin Luther as, although he wrote a lot of stuff which we can read now, he was writing in the Reformation period where passions ran high against the Roman Catholic church.

          Re your tirade against Christian brothers and sisters, I’m concerned for your spiritual health brother…

          1. You use a website which feeds hatred against other Bible versions, pitting them against the KJV, which is sad as I would have expected a really accurate and theological approach to Biblical version comparisons to compare them back to the original, earliest manuscripts. What the author of that website has done is create a false situation where he’s made the KJV an idol with which he sacrifices other versions, which, with further archaeological evidence, has revealed much more detail with which we can more accurately translate the Bible. Ever heard of the Comma Johanneum – an issue with the KJV which causes Jehovah’s Witnesses to be able to rip apart Trinitarian arguments? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum
          Hey, there are even rules of grammar which we have discovered from archaeological evidence subsequent to the KJV, which shows the KJV is incorrect in its translation… Take a watch of this video for more details (if you can “stomach” watching idolatry of the KJV, being brought down): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJrptikLjq8

          I fear you are in error of worshiping the written word, rather than the Living Word. Watch the clip and let me know if you have any issues with this.

          I agree with you in part that a lot of church in the West has become commercialised and is consumeristic in its approach, preferring Churchianity, rather than following Christ. And I agree that the Church redeemed and baptised older pagan festivals, transforming them in the light of Christ and making them Christocentric. Yep, you read that right, I’m agreeing with some of the things you said 🙂 However…. You make some very broad, sweeping statements which worry me about how you view the Body of Christ as being something only you and those who agree with your interpretation of things. That’s quite a statement to make, and I think you’re in error of making God in your own eyes.

          You talk about obeying the commandments – I take it you mean the condensed two Jesus taught us: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. Love your neighbour as yourself”. The latter you appear to be having real issues with your condemnations of people being harlots etc. There really do appear to be some issues you need to take before God, right now, before it’s too late.

          You say “Satan is the ultimate conqueror.” – Erm, I don’t think so. Jesus, the Strong Man is. Your substitution of Jesus for Satan is telling and I fear you are ascribing Satan more power than he really has – is this accidental or is it deliberate (I am concerned, having read what you’ve accused the bretheren of, that you’re actually in danger of becoming an Accuser – a “Satan” – which is a strong thing to say, but I say it to try and bring you to your senses). You really need to take your proud heart before the throne of God and ask for forgiveness and seek help to understand your brothers and sisters, not condemning them off hand.

          You mention “unclean food” – I take it you mean “unhealthy food” – there’s a difference.

          BY saying “desire to engage in politics”, you appear to be condemning William Wilberforce and Lord Shaftesbury (to name but two politicians who were Christians and were able to use the position God gave them for good purposes – abolition of slavery). After all, it’s God who sets up government, and so Christians should be both praying for their politicians and those God has gifted with abilities in the realm of politics. I’m also concerned you’d rather stifle Christian voice in the world of politics, which is exactly what Satan would have occur.

          Please take stock of my words. I don’t write them lightly, nor to judge or condemn you (far, far from it, please don’t read my words that way as I haven’t intended them to be like that), but to alert you to the fact that you aren’t in line with Christlike speech, thinking or behaviour towards fellow believers and those who have yet to hear the Gospel. I will pray for you, that the Holy Spirit will come upon you and Christ in you may help you overcome the hardness within your heart.

          You are free in Christ to no longer conform to the accusatory or condemnatory patterns of this world’s systems. Arise my brother, lift up your head and look into the wonderful eyes of Jesus who died to save you from your old self and to transform your thinking into that of Christ, who, thought it nothing to step into this dark world and shine light into everyone’s life.

          God bless you brother John.

        • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

          You declare hatred from someone making side by side comparisons of the different Bible versions that exposes the errors, deletions, and rewrites? The oldest manuscript argument is straight from hell itself. None of the oldest manuscripts EXIST. I can give a Babe in Christ a KJV and an NASB and read just a few texts where the babe will see the trend of deletions with Jesus, God, Alpha and Omega, Jesus is Lord and a host of other texts…but I am supposed to tell the babe that in the NASB these texts were not in the “older manuscripts” but in the KJV these are in here clear as day…what is the babe to do? The hatred you are comparing me with is the hatred the world claims when a Christian shares the truth about a sinner…the world calls this hate…but this is what you are comparing me to? One bible has the texts yet the OLDEST manuscripts does not? O..K…Truth behind those “oldest” texts…

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGWQx5z6-Xs

          As for a comma, that its obvious Vatican infiltration. The Hebrew and Greek Texts had no punctuation, they were just paragraphs. Punctuation was added later and it has caused a confusion in those who read. Like this verse for example…

          Luke 23:43

          And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

          And yet many a “Christian” believe in immediate life after death because of verses like this one that has a punctuation error. Jesus did not tell the thief he was going to paradise today He was telling him on that day that he was going to paradise.

          John 20:17

          Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

          Jesus clearly tells the woman that He has not ascended to heaven…so how does today’s church get around this? The comma is in the wrong place. It should be AFTER the word today.

          By the way…I can create a Wikipedia account and edit anypage on its site…in fact ANYONE can. Think about that for a minute…

          Now what does a comma have to do with 1 John 5:7? Jehovah Witnesses have been proven false day one…they have predicted the end of the world over a dozen times and they idolize the watchtower…a book that changes daily unlike the KJV that never changes. Again what does this comma prove? Nothing. Trinity doctrine is straight from the RCC. The Godhead is truth. Not three “gods” combined into one equal in all aspects but rather three distinct Gods…God the Father, supreme in all ways, God the Son, supreme in Authority, and God the Holy Spirit, divine. And like a husband and wife that marry and become one, the Godhead are three Gods that are one.

          I talk about keeping the Commandments because its the faith in Jesus that helps you keep them. Keeping them is evidence of salvation…which includes the keeping the Holy Sabbath. Yes Jesus taught the two Great commandments. And He said on these “hang the Law and the Prophets” That Law being the first four commandments that deal with our love for God and last six that deal with our love for our neighbor and the Prophets who kept reminding Israel over and over and over to stop transgressing that Law. Breaking the Law is the definition of sin, a Law that no man can keep. That is why Jesus came and died in the same body as we have, tempted in all manner, yet died a sinless death…but the wages of sin is death right? Right. The Law cannot be changed. Jesus had to die. And now that we trust in Him He writes the Law not on a stone but directly on the heart. Simple truth.

          When I talk harlots I take about the HARLOT church in Rome and her protestant daughters…Too harsh words? The Roman Catholic church committed ADULTERY in her relationship with the HUSBANDMAN Christ Jesus. She became ANTIChrist when she stepped against Him.

          Ultimate conqueror of THIS world…Satan

          Ultimate OVER COMER of THIS world…Jesus

          How do imply that I am giving substituting Jesus for Satan? Jews did that when they freed Barabbas and the whole world is on their way to doing it again when the devil counterfeits the second coming and the whole world accepts him as Messiah…except for the elect. There were only 8 overcomers in Noah’s day, the rest were conquered by Satan by his deceptions and lies. We are not called to be conquerors…rather over comers. This theme is repeated in the book of Revelation eight times. Jesus tell us to “be of good cheer, for I have OVERCOME the world” Satans conquers men with temptations leading them to SIN which begats DEATH. Faith in Jesus helps men keep then LAW in their hearts and minds, thus overcoming the death that sin begats. Please do not take me out of context.

          Unclean food IS unhealthy food. Suppose one will be frying steaks and pot roast with a side of shrimp and lobster in heaven? Man will return to the diet appointed for him in the garden of Eden…a plant based diet. How will the righteous be eating animals when the Scriptures declare that the saved will be playing with them?

          Isaiah 65:25

          The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion
          shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

          Assume the vision giving to Peter was God giving man the right to eat unclean foods? Assume Jesus declared this so when he was referring to eating with unwashed hands? New to this truth as well? http://www.remnantofgod.org/health.htm#sheet

          The Christian voice is already stifled and in many cases silenced. Its called a 501(c)3 which MANY churches have…grafting the church with the vine of the state and manifesting the fruits of Satan rather than grafting with Jesus and bearing the fruits of the Spirit. New to this truth?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ha0sdhlZI

          Look, I am no stranger to reproof. The scriptures says, “that a reproof entereth more into a wise man than a hundred stripes into a fool.” But I also know and read what is “Thus saith the LORD” a book, given by God, for His children…a book that you declare to be an idol…

  • Julie Estrella

    Did Kirk Cameron get invaded by the body snatchers? Is he the wolf in sheep’s clothing? Did he bow down to the anti-Christ? How did he get off track? God forbid to lead the people astray! You have to account to YHVH God. I can’t even believe what I am reading! Kirk read Jeremiah in the Bible. I see day by day how the devil rules the earth, mocking YHVH God. The people have allow evil to rise on earth, even in the churches. Thanks to Mike Gendron for sharing his view.

  • Tess95

    Mike Gendron doesn’t need to insult the Roman Catholics to prove his point. We have seen all the Pentecostal Churches Pastors and the stuff they are made of. Let him concentrate on himself and seek his conversion and repentance than castigating the first Church established by Peter The Rock as directed by Christ.

    • Guest

      The first church had nothing to do with catholicism. It was started by Jesus Christ Himself and His Jewish disciples. Don’t try to rewrite history to fit with your papal propaganda.

  • http://unclesuger2016.com/ Uncle Sugar

    This is a joke. right? You do realize it’s all a myth? And KC is as dumb as they come…

  • dflammer

    I’m with Kirk on this one. As we mature in faith, we need not be so legalistic with things and to BE driven to share faith, making the most of every opportunity. Did Jesus run from the adulterous woman at the well, or share faith with her? If you are able, do likewise.

    • http://unclesuger2016.com/ Uncle Sugar

      Mature faith? Compared to what, Mormons that are only 190 yrs old?

    • Matt

      There’s nothing mature about a grown man dressing in a costume.

      • dflammer

        Dressing in costumes is a festive practice.

  • eesmyth

    A friendly heads up: you’re all nuts.
    Better you hear it from me than some asshole.

  • lee metzger

    Read this link, and if those who are so anti-Halloween are to be consistent, they’ll stop saying the 7 days of the week, because they too have pagan origins. As a child, we went “trick or treating” by dressing up as various characters, going to friends and neighbors houses collecting candy and meeting up with friends comparing costumes and having fun together. There was no connection whatsoever between what we did and the pagan origins of the day. Anyway, here’s the link >>>>> http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends/pagan-gods-and-naming-days-001037

  • lisa

    People I beg of you to do some research. There is NOTHING Satanic about Halloween because Pagans do NOT believe in Satan. They don’t. Look it up. The original Halloween, called Samhain began in Europe BEFORE there was even a Bible or Christianity. They celebrated the end of the harvest and they honored their ancestors who had passed away. They did not celebrate death. They honored their family who had passed. Kind of like setting aside a day to speak to your Grandma in Heaven. Goodness the ignorance runs rampant with some people.

    • John_33

      Just because pagans do not believe in Satan doesn’t mean that the holiday is not satanic. Anything that teaches the opposite of what God tells us to do is inherently satanic. Witchcraft is likened in the Bible to the sin of rebellion, which is the same sin that led to Satan’s fall. As a result, it’s not honoring the dead to commit necromancy when God tells us not to. People who try to reach the dead never really do, but they reach devils that imitate the dead to lead people astray; hence, it’s very satanic in origin. As for celebrating death, see the celebration of Santa Muerte, which is plain old witchcraft that celebrates death as a person. Widespread veneration of this ‘saint’ begins on…October 31. There’s no mistake of the timing.

      • lisa

        “Just because pagans do not believe in Satan doesn’t mean that the holiday is not satanic”
        Umm yes it does! That’s is exactly what it means. It was originally a pagan holiday. Just because other groups have come along and bastardized into worshiping Satan doesn’t mean that is what Halloween is! Have you ever lost someone you loved? Do you ever speak to them in Heaven? Ever say something like, “Oh mom I miss you and wish you were here.” Ever do that? Are you committing necromancy?

        The history of dressing up as demons was for a purpose. While pagans do not believe in Satan, they do believe in demons and believe it or not, they always, always avoid them. Pagans avoid contact any dark force or demon the way Christians want to avoid Satan. So while they were having their bonfire, celebrating harvest and speaking with their loved ones who passed they believed that could also bring back demons as well. So they would dress up as demons as an attempt to “hide” from them. They thought the demons would see another demon and leave them alone. No it makes no sense to us but this is what they believed at the time.

        Now over the years, the way Easter and Christmas have developed from pagan holidays into Christians days, Halloween has become a day for kids and families. Families dress up together, go trick or treating. Kids get to pick costumes and get candy. There is nothing evil about it unless that is what you make it out to be.

        I do think it’s hilarious watching Christians eat their own. It’s nice to see Kirk getting a little back of what he’s been dishing out over the years. I wonder if he went as a banana for Halloween?

        • John_33

          As one person noted, people don’t need to put on a black robe and pray to Lucifer to be a Satanist. All they need to do is have a value system that opposes what God values. Do Satanists think that human sacrifices are okay? Yes. Do wiccans? Yes. Do wiccans believe in necromancy? Spells? Wizards? Astrology? Yes. So, if God condemns all of this, yet the spirits/gods/goddesses in pagan religions teach that these things are good, then who are these spirits/gods/goddesses? Devils.

          No, I don’t talk to the dead in any manner. The Bible makes it clear that once people die, they cannot reach us or be reached until God resurrects them. Necromancy is defined as “a method of divination through alleged communication with the dead ; black art.” Saying “I wish you were here” is not necromancy but using divination to try to reach Grandma is. God warns us not to engage in necromancy or any divination since it’s an abomination in His sight.

          You claimed that no pagan ever contacts dark forces or demons. Really? Are there no pagans who practice black magic? Certainly there are – especially with its history full of human sacrifice. (Of course, all magic is black) Paganism is connected with Satan because it offers sacrifices to devils and engages in practices that God has condemned. There is no middle ground here. Paganism, including Wicca, is an abomination to God because of its teachings and practices:

          “There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.” ~ Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

          • lisa

            Please stop commenting on Pagans as your ignorance is obvious. Pagans sacrficed humans thousands of years ago. They stopped doing it one their own. Nobody does it today.
            They no longer sacrifice animals either and haven’t for centuries. They denounce ANYONE who sacrifices animals and calls themselves pagans. No they do not offer sacrifices to demons. OMG.

            And you know who else sacrificed humans? Well our good friends in the Bible did that’s who. No religion, not even Christianity is without its blemishes.

            And I do not take ANY versus from the OT seriously or literally since the OT is full of atrocities. Telling people to sell children as slaves? Or stoning a woman who cheated on her husband? Let’s not get started in the ridiculous rules in Leviticus. Follow all or follow none. I’ve yet to meet one Christian who follows even half the rules laid out in Leviticus but boy are they fast to whip out versus when it suits them. I’m a 43 year old Christian who grew up evangelical so let’s say I know plenty.
            I’m just glad as fundie as my parents were that they let me celebrate Halloween. My husband was a homeschooled fundie and even his parents let them trick or treat. My goodness are people uptight these days. Judge until you feel good I guess.

            I’m done here. Nothing else to say. Besides the format on this site sucks.

          • John_33

            Human sacrifices are over? Really? Better tell them that in Uganda because pagans are still doing it over there.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice_in_Uganda

            And in Nigeria:

            http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/more-world-stories/story/nigerian-arrested-selling-wife-human-sacrifice-police-20140918

            And Mexico:

            http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46919631/ns/world_news-americas/t/mexican-border-family-suspected-human-sacrifice/

            And Mumbai:

            http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Mumbai-woman-killed-in-human-sacrifice-ritual-six-arrested/articleshow/27367603.cms

            And that’s only a cursory search. There’s tons more evidence.

            No. You aren’t a Christian. You are a pagan who can’t even lie very well. If you were a Christian and not a pagan, then you wouldn’t be speaking for pagans in over sweeping, broad generalizations…nor would you attack the book of Leviticus, nor would you say that you love it when “Christians eat their own.” Seriously, you are fooling no one. You know who the first liar was? Satan. Again, it all goes back to him because he is the father of witchcraft. Whatever power you may think you have, you are in bondage and are in condemnation in God’s eyes.

      • lisa

        And here is another mind blowing fact that I just recently found out. The so called Church of Satan/ Satanists don’t even believe in Satan. They are a bunch of athiests who don’t worship anything or anyone. They chose their name to get a rise out of people. There is in fact no formal religion that worships anything evil. There are people who commit evil practices in the name of Satan, sure. But there is no religion that worships evil.

        The pagans back in the day were no different than what the American Indians are. Very into the earth, nature, seasons and had gods and goddesses that they worshiped. This was for Samhain. There was NO Halloween in Europe. Halloween is an American thing. No roots in Satan at all. Most people who celebrate Halloween these days are just kids and families. So why focus on the few horrible people who commit atrocities on this day? For 90% of people out there Halloween is about costumes and candy. Just let kids have fun for pete’s sake and stop with the hysterics.

  • Kathleen Marion

    Kirk needs to go back further, like 5 BC where he will find all the elements of Halloween in the pagan celebrations that the Catholic church attempted to clean up by putting their spin on it. Nonetheless, God’s word says DON’T do it. Deut 12:29-31

  • Stubbsme

    All points here are moot. The only thing to take into consideration here is Gods law. Tho shalt have no false idols before me. Christmas is the birth day of our lord, or maybe it isn’t. Easter is the day of his resurrection or it isn’t. These days all take on what ever meaning we give them personally as humans. God knows what is in a mans heart, and what isn’t. Celebrate the days as you see fit, our lord God will know your true intent and he alone will judge you when the time comes.

    • Kathleen Marion

      When the Word of God is in opposition to the traditions of men and you choose those traditions over God then your heart is rebellious.

      Deut 12:29 “When the Lord your God cuts off from before you the nations which you go to dispossess, and you displace them and dwell in their land, 30 take heed to yourself that you are not ensnared to follow them, after they are destroyed from before you, and that you do not inquire after their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do likewise.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way; for every abomination to the Lord which He hates they have done to their gods; for they burn even their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. 32 “Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to it nor take away from it.

  • Allison

    I’m a Christian, and I absolutely celebrate Halloween. I’m very interested in the paranormal, and I love a good scare. I don’t see anything wrong with that.

  • David Ellul

    Christmas is Just as Pagan as Halloween, It seems those who wrote the article are OK with celebrating Nimrod’s Birthday!!!

  • Bolvon72

    Just trying to steal another holiday. How many years before the christians are crying that people aren’t calling it halo-ween and getting pissed because people aren’t dressing up as angels.

  • Paul Desmond

    The name Christian is only meant for the people who has Christ in them and believe His sovereignty as well as He being the only way to God as well as living a righteous life.Please if you attain these requirements,do not mind anyone trying to put words into your mouth.Moreover continuously study the bible and forget what someone who does not know and have any experiential relationship with Christ Jesus.Moreover Christians do not celebrate Christmas nor Easter neither Halloween because all of them are of the devil and of darkness.To whom it may concern:Roman Catholic is not in any bid a church of Christ because they are just idolaters(Christ is not idolatrous).

  • gregthesouthernpresby

    If Christians gave back to the pagans their holidays it would crash the economy and goverments would go bankrupt from the lack of tax revenue. Less corruption, sounds good to me.

  • Wendy Saddler

    As usual Gendron and many others who support his un-Christ like attitudes, are missing the entire point. While this holiday has Satanic roots, Kirk is saying that we as Christians are called to reach out and share the gospel at this most important time of year. This IS an opportunity to represent Christ, and be a witness for Him. I see NOTHING wrong with celebrating it by passing out candy and gospel tracts for children, especially the ones by Chick Publications. I also celebrate it because it’s my mother’s birthday, and we dress up, but in NOTHING scary or evil.

  • Anónima

    The logical fallacy still applies.

  • http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

    Way to go Kirk. Let the kids have their harmless fun.

  • pfehrman

    We were told EXACTLY to not do what the pagans do…it was a direct commandment! Historically, we can’t deny the pagan roots to these holidays that most of us grew up with and have fond memories of…it breaks my heart that the lies tied to them are so deep and evil. Satan has been working on people for so many generations now that there is no one left to know what it’s supposed to be like without these interferences. But it is up to us to discern and walk away from them. I know that my son and daughter-in-law still celebrate these holidays because of my grandkids. Of course that’s the best reason to walk away from them too! I haven’t been very convincing I’m afraid…and their church encourages these holidays too…sad to say.

    • wandakate

      PFEHMAN; Perhaps you could share this article with them and also these comments. My two daughters are not saved at all, and my husband died and neither was he. They all loved the worldly holidays of man and didn’t love what GOD wanted unfortunately. All of my grandchildren (5 of them) were raised with all of these holiday traditions regrettable. TRY to share some literature with them and show them in scripture where it talks about these things, and I hope that helps…

  • tmpy1

    Mr Cameron leads me – no where. IGNORE. entertainers need to stick to their scripts and attempts at entertainment.

    in the greater part of history, entertainers were always considered to be the dregs of society, never given power beyond their entertainment value.
    big fail.

  • Matt Arnold

    As a Christian who travels and works alongside pagans in the UK, I see both communities disliking the Americanised & commercialised Halloween (similar thing has happened to Consumermas in December).

    Folks, the association between this time of the year and Halloween and the dead was linked by the Christian Church at All Hallows / All Souls, hence Hallowe’en – All Hallows Eve.

    Before then it was a time at the end of the year (yep October 31 was the new year’s eve in Western European cultures hundreds / thousands of years ago. Here’s an article by the Bristol Uni academic historian, Prof Ronald Hutton on Halloween: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/28/halloween-more-than-trick-or-treat-origins

    So, as Christians we can reclaim a right to Halloween, using it as a time to remember and give thanks for our ancestors (physical or spiritual) and celebrate the life they led and the positive things they did which have impacted us. Or, we can shut ourselves away from yet another opportunity to engage creatively with the culture.
    I personally detest most Halloween tracts (especially Jack Chick’s material as it’s completely in error in lots of places – ie calling Samhain the ‘Lord of the Dead’ (it’s gaelic for “Summer’s End”, but some misguided evangelical Christians decided in the 70’s to create this story which even Josh McDowell has in one of his books sadly) – don’t bear false witness).

    So, we are free to celebrate Halloween, not as a gore fest, but in Thanks and loving memory of those gone before us. This is done in a lot of European counties, as seen here: All Saints’ Day in Sweden: http://youtu.be/Vki-E-_KQUo

    In fact, I went to our town cemetery last Sunday evening. It was completely Black, apart from the Polish war memorial section which was ablaze with light. On my own there, I felt love, joy and peace at the celebration of lives gone before us so we may be free (Newark-on-Trent, UK).

    Here’s a link to a document a Christian friend wrote to demystify some of the aspects of Halloween that Christians in the majority seem to have misunderstood and rejected, and thereby missed an opportunity to move out of an increasingly “ghettoised” / “persecution complex” Christianity into the freedom to be in the community: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7oybyg35ouc0lj5/The%20Real%20History%20of%20Halloween.pdf?dl=0

    Remember –
    It is God’s world
    God is at work in the world.
    We don’t own God.
    Therefore, there can be no “no go” areas for God.

    If “Christ is in us, the hope of glory”, we are commissioned to “Go into *all* the world”, being salt outside of the salt cellar.

    Get creative and engage with your community in culturally relevant ways (ie none of this silliness about the supposed origins of All Hallows Eve being satanic. We’re called to bear truth and truth can be found by researching original source documentation, not taking anyone’s word. Too many Christians sadly bear false witness due to passing on misinformation which purports to be truth, which when researched properly proves false (and makes Christians look stupid and full of lies – dishonouring Christ as a result).

    • John_33

      No, we are not called to go into every literal single part of the world to work with the wicked – Christians are not called to celebrate Christ in a Satanist’s ‘church,’ nor are we called to celebrate Halloween in a graveyard. (Imagine Paul hanging around a graveyard at night!) Christ said the opposite – come OUT of the world. Don’t go in and be tainted but come OUT. Also note the word ‘come’ – it means that you are to go to the person who is speaking. When God tells us to come out of the world, He is indicating that He is not in the things of the world. He is outside of those things, which is why He calls us to come to Him and leave those things behind. He has no part in the New Age, the Occult, nature worship, or astrology.

      • Matt Arnold

        You’re so wrong it hurts me to say it.

        Where did Paul go when in Athens? Pagan temples and the Pagan Areopagus (check out Acts 17).

        What did Jesus pray for his disciples? “Not that they be taken out of the world”!

        Where did the women go “whilst it was still dark” after the crucifixion? Oh yes, a GRAVEYARD!

        Sadly it’s your lack of Bible knowledge which encourages both yourself and others to b become a ghetto Christian – salt which remains in the shaker! Useless in mission if that’s how you see things.

        Good jobJesus didn’t have your attitude to this world or he’d never have stepped into it.

        Don’t be a Biblically illiterate, nor non-missional Christian.

        Read your Bible and spend time along God to reveal his will to you

        • John_33

          Aeropagus also functioned as the court, which is why the Greeks took him there (Paul didn’t go there on his own accord). Obviously he had faith in Christ when they took him, but that is a strong twisting of the text to imply that we should now go to satanic churches because they took Paul to their court. And what did Paul do when they took him? He condemned them for their religious practices. He did not join them, but he reproved them. (Acts 17:22)

          Christ prayed that Christians should not be taken out of the world, but He didn’t pray that they should celebrate the practices of the world while we are here. God forbid! He prayed that His people would be kept from evil. He called them out! He said that they would be hated because they were pulled out of the world like He was outside of the world – away from the worldly traditions that wrongdoers run to commit. (John 17:14)

          Why did the women go to the graveyard? They went to see Jesus, their Lord and Savior who would rise again. They did not go to participate in a pagan cult practice to contact the dead. And what did the angels say when the women arrived? “Why seek ye the living among the dead?” – Jesus was resurrected at that point. The women did not go to the graveyard after that. Why? Because they went looking for Jesus, not spirit guides. No, it’s a severe twisting of my words and of the text, which sadly, I’m not surprised. The Bible is clear on this subject: witchcraft is an abomination in God’s eyes and will be judged. (Galatians 5:19-21)

          • Matt Arnold

            Who says Paul didn’t go there on his own accord? The verses say they took him with them to the Areopagus (meaning “Hill of Ares” the Greek god of war – ie a pagan place!). As Paul had been reasoning with them in the marketplace, he would naturally have gone with them to the Areopagus where they debated philosophical themes and ideas – after all, Paul was a skilled orator. Your argument is speaking from silence, after all, my children were taken by me to the park, they went of their own volition, not coerced. If you have a verse which can prove once and for all that he was taken to the areopagus by force, please let me know as I’ve not got in any version (KJV -> NIV) I have in my possession.

            Paul was “greatly distressed” whilst in Athens, because he saw so much idolatry. However, Paul *didn’t* condemn them at all (again, please supply the verse which says he “condemned” them (not your interpretation that he condemned them, but the actual verse which says he condemned them). Far from it, he actually took the opportunity to *commended* them for being “very religious” and even having an “altar to an unknown god” which he then took the opportunity to reveal to them. NOTE: Nowhere in *any* of Paul’s discourse in the Areopagus did he use Hebrew scriptures – he actually used PAGAN scriptures – (meaning he was fully versed in them and hadn’t been tainted at all whilst reading them!!!!) – he’d sought to listen to the culture and discern HOW God was speaking to them, even if they couldn’t understand it at the time. Read the commentary on Acts 17 for more information on this: https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/commentaries/IVP-NT/Acts/Witness-Athens

            We’re called “out” as a spiritual people. We’re not called out as a physical entity, nor as someone who shuts themselves in a cave away from any potential to taint us. If we’re strong in Christ and doing His will, we’re free to be wherever He calls us in the world.

            We don’t celebrate evil, we celebrate good (nowhere in my writing do I say I celebrate evil, that’s your own interpretation of my words, which I have to say is tainted by your inability to separate an Americanised, Consumeristic version of Halloween which is the gorefest we see nowadays), but the All Hallows Eve remembrance and thanksgiving for those saints gone before us (do you celebrate thanksgiving / give thanks for those fallen soldiers etc??? – that’s what I mean in this instance!).

            The women went to the tomb expecting to find a dead body which they would anoint with their spices (read your Text). No they didn’t go back to the graveyard as they didn’t expect to find Jesus there as he’d risen. I went to a graveyard which was ablaze with light and gave thanks for (not *to*) the Polish soldiers who had given their lives to help gain my freedom from Hitler et al, not summoning spirit guides.

            I’m free to move wherever God’s Spirit leads me. To not go would be a sin.

          • John_33

            If Paul went to a place on a Sunday, would you say that he condoned the sun god? It’s the same argument you are making here. He was taken to their court. What is he going to say? “I don’t go to courts with pagan names?”

            As for Paul reproving them, this is what he said:

            “Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars’ hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.” ~ Acts 17:22-23.

            He did not use pagan scriptures. He quoted one poet of theirs – not the writings of a god or goddess, and he used the book of Genesis. There is no evidence to suggest that he read their scriptures. If the message resonated with them or addressed their pagan beliefs, it’s because God’s gospel is universal. You don’t need to tailor it to the culture – it already is tailored to the culture. Trying to tailor the gospel to the culture is like Uzziah trying to hold the Ark of the Covenant up to prevent it from falling. God doesn’t need man’s help.

            Halloween is the same pagan holiday under a different name in Ireland that is celebrated to contact spirits. It’s also known as the Day of the Dead in Latin America. That is completely foreign to the Bible, to God, and to His people. We are not called to observe Halloween/Hallows Eve, All Saint’s Day, or the Day of the Dead. If it’s not in the Bible, then how do you know that it was God who called you to observe it?

            The women came to anoint the Jesus’ body with spices as a burial practice – NOT a religious practice. They did not go to find a spirit guide, nor did they wait to go on a pagan holiday. They went to visit Jesus as soon as they could (Sabbath was just over).

            I didn’t bring up the idea of visiting the graves because of Halloween, you did. Besides, there already is a day to honour fallen soldiers – Święto Wojska Polskiego – that is on August 15, not October. God’s Spirit only leads people into the light, not darkness. It’s not from God if you are being led to celebrate a witch’s holiday.

          • Matt Arnold

            Paul, who was previously called Saul, a highly educated person in both religious and philosophical argument – being born in Antioch, he would have known a lot of various belief systems as it was a major point on the trade routes between the West and East.

            Acts 17:18 – 21
            18 A
            group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him.
            Some of them asked, ‘What is this babbler trying to say?’ Others
            remarked, ‘He seems to be advocating foreign gods.’ They said this
            because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the
            resurrection. 19 Then
            they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they
            said to him, ‘May we know what this new teaching is that you are
            presenting? 20 You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.’ 21 (All
            the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing
            nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)

            So, nothing in there which seems to be a forced appearance. I’m sure Paul would have gladly been eager to go there (after all, he was eager to go to Ephesus, the seat of Artemis and the Temple of Diana, but more of that later…).

            22 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: ‘People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship – and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.

            If you like, you can read this as him being condemnatory, I don’t. I see this as Paul engaging with the people by commending them (for reasons which become clearer later on).

            28 “For in him we live and move and have our being.” – this is the pagan (Cretan) philosopher Epimenides words.

            “We are his offspring.” – this is the pagan (stoic) philosopher, Aratus.

            Which words – directly quoted words – come from Genesis? Even the commentary link I’ve put above is making a link with Genesis rather than saying it’s a direct quote.

            So, Paul knew his pagan philosophers, he used their words. Have a read through this academic paper on the subject, I think you’ll like it: http://www.academia.edu/5351362/Pauls_Use_of_Pagan_Philosophy_in_Acts_17

            You said.. “If the message resonated with them or addressed their pagan beliefs, it’s because God’s gospel is universal.” NOW WE’RE GETTING SOMEWHERE 😀 I fully agree. And I’d say that where there are pieces of that universal message being picked up by spiritual seekers, that’s where we need to be, listening out for those links, just as Paul did, and using that as a bridge to a much better conversation that one which simply and out-of-hand condemns them without listening to them.

            What I’m advocating is a listening approach. One where people are listened to. Where people are valued as people, not as commodities or “scalps for Jesus” (not that I think you believe that). Listen to the cultures around you. Be where the spiritual seekers are (after all, he’s put eternity in all our hearts).

            The Jewish burial practice *was* part of their religious practice. That’s Torah for you.

            Digital projectors are not mentioned in the Bible, so your point about if it’s not in the Bible it shouldn’t be observed is very, very narrow. Lots of things aren’t in the Bible which we can celebrate. Birthdays aren’t in there – yer are you telling me you’ve never celebrated one (unless you’re a JW)?

            Re remembering / giving thanks for those who have passed over:

            Psalm 116:15 “Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.” – if it’s precious to God, they should be precious to us, after all there’s one Body of Christ, whether the saints are dead or still alive (“the communion of saints” as quoted in the Apostles Creed).

            We remember the martyr William Tyndale and give thanks to God for his work in translating the Bible into English. We remember and give thanks to God for Martyn Luther for his 95 thesis and the Reformation. We give thanks to God and remember the work of Lord Shaftsbury / Wilberforce in their work for the abolition of slavery. We remember and give thanks to God for John Newton and the work he did in the abolition of Slavery and his hymn “And can it be”. We remember and give thanks for John Wesley and his work in taking the message to the people in the fields and villages where other Christians weren’t going…. And so on. This is what All Hallows Eve is all about – giving thanks for and Celebrating their lives. Nothing to do with consulting them or summoning their spirits etc…. There’s a huge difference between the two different acts – one is allowed, the other forbidden in Scripture.

            It’s not a “witch’s holiday” – that’s the americanised, consumeristic version of the day. Read up on the history of All Hallows (All Holys – even the name gives you a clue as to what the Church to redeem it) Eve and you’ll certainly learn it was anything but.

            Święto Wojska Polskiego is a specifically Polish remembrance. All Hallows is a worldwide thing.

            I will celebrate All Hallows Eve as it originally was – giving thanks to God and remembering the lives of those saints who have passed into glory and learning from their ways as to what I can do in my life to improve the lives, both mentally, physically and spiritually of all who the Spirit brings across my path.

            You celebrate whichever things you feel comfortable with brother, I will do the same for me.

            Every blessing in Christ.

            Oh forgot – Ephesus – Acts 19. When Paul et al were arrested and brought before the courts, could they find anything that Paul had said which was condemnatory of the worship of Artemis / Diana?
            38 If, then, Demetrius and his fellow craftsmen have a grievance against anybody, the courts are open and there are proconsuls. They can press charges. 39 If there is anything further you want to bring up, it must be settled in a legal assembly. 40 As it is, we are in danger of being charged with rioting because of what happened today. In that case we would not be able to account for this commotion, since there is no reason for it.’ 41 After he had said this, he dismissed the assembly.

            So, Christianity isn’t seen as a belief system which is based in condemnation of other belief systems. It’s far above that and can stand on its own without having to throw stones at other systems of belief. “Taste and see that the Lord is good” – Christianity is about that!

        • Guest

          Do you commit adultery in order to win adulterers to Christ? Because that’s what your argument says….

          • Matt Arnold

            Nope – because that would be a sin. And anyway that’s not my argument – you misunderstand what I’m saying (either deliberately or unintentionally). If that was what I was saying, then Christ would have become sinful just by associating with us. There is no sin in associating with people – that’s why Jesus is called “friend of sinners”. In fact, it’s one reason why he was condemned by the authorities – he associated with those the “religious people” couldn’t stand.

            So, who’s being more like Jesus? Those who go into all the world and travel alongside people who are spiritually inclined, or those who stay at home, condemning those who heed the Spirit’s call and follow it?

          • Guest

            Where do you get the notion that those who don’t partake of sinful and idolatrous practices (like Hallowe’en) are staying at home and condemning true Christians? Nowhere has anyone claimed that Christians need to stay holed up in order to not partake of idolatry. In fact, not partaking of idolatry is just one of the many ways we witness to our neighbors and they know that we are His.

            Jesus Christ was condemned by those who followed their own religion (and not God’s) because they wanted their own manmade system followed. That’s just like Hallowe’en – those who made up this phony pagan idolatrous practice are flipping out when true Christians don’t want any part of it. It’s called persecution, and it happens to every true believer. You live in a funny world where idolatry is good, Christians are evil, and demonism is holy. You really just don’t get it.

          • Matt Arnold

            Who said I’m committing idolatry? Not me?
            Who said idolarty is good, Christians are evil and demonism is holy? Not me?

            Hallowe’en – break the word down…
            “Hallow” – meaning “holy” as in “Our Father Who art in heaven, *hallowed* be Thy Name”.
            “een” – meaning “eve”, as in Christmas eve (the night before Christmas”.
            So. Put them together, “Holy Night before” (All Hallows – 1st November).

            Even the NAME gives it away as to its Christian origin! [facepalm]

            You must have replied to the wrong thread, but God bless you anyway brother / sister.

          • Guest

            Matt, you have fallen for the same error that the Corinthians did, when they assumed they could mingle with the world and not be tainted. Their argument was that since Christ died for them and they were holy, nothing in the flesh could touch them. They thought they could go anywhere and do anything and it would be all right. They argued that the spirit is what mattered, not the flesh. That was the sin of gnosticism, which you preach whether you call it that or choose to deviously mask it behind another name. Gnosticism it is. They were called out by Paul for their sin, and I’m calling out you.

            The witness cult call themselves by Jehovah’s name, but that doesn’t make them one of His. The catholics call themselves a church, but that doesn’t mean they are. Goats call themselves sheep, but in the end, “every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up”. (Matthew 15:13)

          • Matt Arnold

            “Guest” – No. I’d have fallen into the same error as the Corinthians did if I actually practiced things forbidden in the Bible. Mingling with people isn’t the same as doing what they do. Jesus managed to pull that off, so we can, with “Christ in me, the hope of glory”…

            I’m not arguing that I would choose to go everywhere. There are places I know are weak spots in my life, and as such would be foolhardy to go near. That is my own discerned opinion. However, there ARE other Christians who are engaged with people in various areas I don’t want to be involved with (and don’t feel called to).

            “Guest” – go and be missional to the people you’re called to. I’m doing the same as a pioneer minister myself. There are many tribes who we’re called to, but we can’t go to every single one ourselves. We play to our strengths and calling – after all, it’s the Spirit’s calling.

          • Guest

            You frighten me with what you claim to do and know. All I can say is “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”. I sincerely hope you find your way.

          • Matt Arnold

            “What I claim to do and know”. Read my original post and then see how many accretions have been added in by others who have interpreted my words 🙂

            I am indeed working out my salvation with fear and trembling, especially as I am a pioneer minister.

            If you think I’m wrong, pray for me.
            If you think I’m right, pray for me.

            Either way, I’d appreciate your prayers in this pioneering ministry.

            Every blessing in Christ.

          • Guest

            I’ve read your original post. I stand by my comments.

          • Matt Arnold

            And I stand by mine.

            Be blessed

      • Matt Arnold

        Oh and which part of “all” do you not understand about the Great Commission when Jesus tells us to “Go into all the world”, and the witnesses we are to be in “Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and to the end of the earth.

        Methinks Jesus is telling us were to go to every literal part of the world. Now, unless you want to wiggle interpret your way out of that, I suggest you rethink which “dark” places Jesus is calling you to be light in. After all, no use being light within a place that already has lots of light.

        Go! As Jesus commands all Christians!

        Don’t sit in the barracks polishing your armour, it’s no use you being there. But then, Satan knows how ineffectual those Christians are who try and how away from their commission.

        • Matt Arnold

          And please avoid your gnostic materialism which sees the material as being evil and spirit as being good. 1 John is a good antidote to that thinking.

          Ephesians 4 says Jesus is filing the whole universe with himself. There is nowhere he isn’t!

          • Guest

            You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

          • John_33

            It’s quite the opposite. Gnostics teach that they can do anything in their physical bodies because of what Christ did. They believe that it’s not really “them” when they physically engage in sin because they believe that “they” are spirits and not responsible for their bodies. Since Christ saved them (so they claim), they argue that they are pure no matter what they do.

            You are making the same claim when you argue that it’s okay for us to go anywhere on earth because Christ can go anywhere and is in us. Nowhere does the Bible teach that. Therefore, it is actually you who is teaching a form of Gnosticism. Nowhere in the Bible does it call for us to ‘claim’ pagan holidays, nor does it bless those who partake in such practices. Let’s match this with what is in the Bible. Should we engage in the practices of the world?

            “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” ~ Ephesians 5:11

          • Matt Arnold

            Hmm – you’ve a different version of gnosticism to me. Nevermind, that’s not the issue here.

            Matthew 28… “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations” – all nations. ALL nations.

            Rev 5v9… Every tribe, tongue and nation. EVERY tribe, tongue and nation.

            We engage WITH the practices of this world, that’s very different to engaging IN.

            I take it that you don’t engage in those “pagan” holidays of Christmas or Easter either. Now, even Thanksgiving has pagan overtones.

            Brother, you are convinced in your own mind that you can’t go anywhere in God’s world. I’m convinced quite the opposite. For you to go anywhere would be a sin. However, for me, I’m convinced God has called me to go wherever his Spirit blows, which is part of the adventure we call travelling in Christ.

            Please do not try and condemn your brother who is not sinning by going to places they feel the Spirit calls them. And I won’t condemn you for trying to create a ghettoised Christianity.

            We will have to agree to disagree.

        • John_33

          “and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you” 2 Corinthians 6:16-17.

          Christ and Paul set the example of how to follow the Great Commission. Let’s look at how they did it. Paul is a good witness of the Great Commission. He went to synagogues and market places. He did not go to brothels to ‘win people over.’ He warned the disciples to avoid all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22). Even if it only looked like evil but it wasn’t, it was still a sin for Christians to partake in it. Paul noted that entering a pagan temple to eat meat offered to the idol was an appearance of evil and therefore was a sin (1 Corinthians 8:9-11). Christ agreed with Paul in Revelation 2:14;20. We are called to be separate. God called us to be holy as He is holy, and part of that holiness is to be separate from evil. We are also called to reprove the works of darkness, but in no way are we to mix with it. There can be no misunderstanding: Christians are to stay separate from the unclean things of this world.

          • Matt Arnold

            Concord? Erm, that aircraft has been taken out of action for a number of years now. Oh, I see you’re using a 400 year old language. KJV? Not to worry, I’m bilingual, so can understand you (pity that language has evolved, but I’m not here to relight a KJV only debate, that’s long dead).

            Proof texting my man is not a very good way of going about debating, but seeing as you’re going to be doing that, here’s a text which you need to get your head around: John 13:10 “Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean” – ie, those who have been cleansed on the inside, can walk freely in this world and only need a clean on the outside. What Jesus is saying is, get your hands dirty guys, you have no fear, for perfect love for people casts out fear.

            Meat sacrificed to idols – something very interesting Paul says in verses 7-13 of the 1 Corinthians 8 passage. He says that eating the meat sacrificed to idols is a *matter of conscience* of the person doing it. Eating it neither brings you closer or further from God. I’m not sure you understand the passage, because what you’re saying is that it’s sin for everyone, which is exactly the *opposite* of what Paul’s saying – it’s a matter of conscience, you sin if you go against your conscience on this.

            I’m not asking you to hang around with pagans / witches / druids etc. If it’s sinful for you, then don’t do it. However, I am “fully convinced in my own mind” (as per Romans 14:5), heart and spirit that this is my calling, so don’t try and quench the Spirit’s fire (1 Thes 5:19).

            We are indeed to be holy (set apart, something else) as God is holy. However, Jesus is God and came into this dark world without being tainted. We’re to be Christ’s ambassadors here. Imagine an ambassador not actually being in the country they’re supposed to be working in – totally ineffectual. We are called to be *spiritually* separate – ie in Christ, not *spiritually* in the world. We can, like Jesus, travel alongside humanity, *wherever* they are. If we don’t, we are showing they are not worthy of our attention and are acting like the bad guys in the Good Samaritan story.

            We mix with people of all spiritualities, after all, God speaks to all, and “draws all to himself” (John 12:32), people may not understand the calling, just like the Ethiopian eunach didn’t. Only those who are firm in their faith are able to travel alongside, listening more than talking and discerning (a key gift of the Holy Spirit) where God may be speaking to them.

            Get out of the
            church and into the highways and byways, where people are at, fully
            convinced in your own spirit that “greater is he that is in you than is
            in the world”, and “I will never leave you nor forsake you”.

          • John_33

            I don’t make fun of the Word of God, but I’m not surprised that you do.

            What did Jesus say before He washed their feet? “If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.” If we go our own way in the world and walk in darkness, then we will get our feet dirty. We need to be washed to be accepted – we need to be transformed so we are not of the world to be saved. (John 17:14) Again, you are preaching Gnosticism. Our actions have consequences. We cannot run around in the world pretending that we are Christ’s when we are partaking of the world’s pagan practices. If God was saying “Go ahead, get dirty,” as you claim, then He wouldn’t turn around and say “have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.” I can find the latter quote in the Bible (Ephesians 5:11), but I can’t find the former.

            Eating meat sacrificed to idols is condemned as a sin. If a Christian did not know that the meat was offered and was eating it in a secular place, then he was allowed to eat, but if a Christian knew that the meat was offered to an idol, then it was sin. Let’s look at what Jesus said since Jesus is the real Christian’s example:

            “But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.” ~ Revelation 2:14.

            Christ doesn’t view eating meat offered to idols as a matter of conscience, neither should we.

            When dealing with the world, we should observe Christ’s example: He took the pagans out of paganism. He didn’t get pulled into it. We are called out of sin, not into it, and we are called out of pagan traditions and practices, not called into them.

            Remember the warning given to Lot and his family: “Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.” ~ Genesis 19:17.

          • Matt Arnold

            I do not make fun of the Word of God, and I’m surprised that you think I do. Strange how the Internet transforms intended use of Scripture into something different.

            No-one is saying Christians should partake of pagan practices if they compromise the core principles of Christianity.

            Obviously your choosing of verses in the Bible which appear to condemn meat sacrificed to idols and my ones which say it’s a matter of conscience are incompatible – there’s a cognitive conflict between the words of Paul and Christ… unless there is a way to combine the two together – discernment is key and I’ll let you think that one through 🙂

            Lot couldn’t say “I’m safe in Christ, I can stay!” because Christ hadn’t become incarnate at that point.

            We’ll agree to disagree on this. I’m happy and fully convinced in my mind, body and spirit that I’m able to go to the places Christ calls me to go to – the highways and byways. You can live your life the way you wish to do. I’m running the “race marked out for *me*” – you run the race marked out for you. And we’ll both meet up at one point and laugh in the new heavens and new earth.

            Until then, every blessing brother.

          • Sha-wei

            Nevertheless, Matt, arguing for any human observance NOT
            instituted or mandated by our blessed Master (excepting, of course, the “Lord’s Supper” in remembrance of his death – and HIS only – not of anyone’s ancestors, fallen soldiers, bygone heroes, etc., water baptism, and, possibly, even “foot-washing”) places us in the uncomfortable position of publicly opposing fellow believers, to the point of utilizing worldly sarcasm against them (“Concord? Erm, that aircraft has been taken out of action for a number of years now. Oh, I see you’re using a 400 year old
            language”).

            This unseemly bickering does not glorify our risen Saviour and makes for very poor testimony in the eyes of unbelievers. Let us defend to the death ONLY what is enjoined of us under the New Covenant, and leave to the world what belongs to the world. Peace, brethren.

          • Matt Arnold

            Sorry you misunderstood my sense of humour as sarcasm. That wasn’t intended and is simply something lost in translation via the Internet.

            We do have to fight for what is true though, however uncomfortable that may appear to us. I will fight for truth, that those who are being lied about will receive justice (after all, that’s what we’re called to do in Malachi). This isn’t bickering, I’m sorry you perceive it that way, it’s dialogue which makes you uncomfortable in places. Using the term “bickering” is a perjorative which I take offence to. Nonetheless, I will forgive you.

            Every blessing in Christ.

          • Matt

            Did you really not know the meaning of the word “concord”? It’s still used today, particularly in the UK where you claim to be from.

          • Matt Arnold

            Try looking up “sense of humour”, it’s quite worth developing one as you’d understand what I just did there 🙂

            Smile, Jesus loves you
            But I’m still trying to make up my mind about you 🙂

            (That’s humour too)

            Every blessing in Christ.

        • Guest

          Being the light of the world, and salt, does not mean partaking of sin. Jesus Christ drew sinners to Himself, He didn’t go into the brothels and strip joints and partake of their actions. He called them OUT to Himself.

          • Matt Arnold

            No. But he did let his feet be annointed by a woman of ill repute – to the chagrin of the “religious people”. He went to where a woman was drawing water – a woman, a *Samaritan* woman at that (seen by his peers as being lower than pond scum).

            He went to a tax collector’s house – a TAX Collector – to the chagrin of the “religious people”.

            John 5 – He went to the pool of Bethsaida – a PAGAN pool! He, Jesus, went to a PAGAN POOL!!!!! http://jewishstudies.eteacherbiblical.com/john-5-2-5-who-will-heal-you-a-greek-or-a-jewish-god/

            So, Jesus went everywhere, associated with everyone, and yet remained sinless. He calls us to be the same.

            Are you ready for the challenge to go to ALL people and remain untainted? Can you do it? Can Christ in you do it?

          • Guest

            You can’t compare a woman anointing Christ’s feet with ointment to a believer dressing up as a demon and chowing down on candy! Honestly, your post would be hilarious if it weren’t for the fact that it’s blasphemous.

            As far as Christ “going everywhere” – no, he did not. He did not go into the temple of Baal and worship there. He did not go to brothels, bars, or places of ill repute. He did not dress up in a costume and trick or treat for candy. He did not do anything that dishonored His Father, and nor will I.

          • Matt Arnold

            I’m not comparing the two in your initial paragraph – you made that comparison. Where in the text above am I making that comparison? I’d love to know as it’s not there on my screen. Maybe that’s what you’re interpreting I said, which is a very different kettle of fish.

            Christ went to a pagan pool – John 5. Christ also did many other things which are not written down. Both of us are arguing from silence in this matter, so your argument is null and void in that respect.

            Bars? Didn’t exist back then. Though his parents did try and get a room in an inn. He was called a “drunkard” – a stupid thing to call him if he didn’t drink alcohol, or be in areas where alcohol was consumed. THINK that through. His first miracle was to turn water into wine. WINE – not at the beginning, but towards the end of a week’s celebrations.

            He didn’t dress up in trick or treat costumes because that custom hadn’t been invented then.

            You go ahead and don’t dishonour the Father – that’s a brilliant thing to do and I really, genuinely want you to do that (which Christian wouldn’t). I’ll go ahead and not do anything that dishonours the Father either.

            We’ll both laugh over this I’m sure when we meet in glory 😀

            Every blessing “Guest” 😀

          • Guest

            Jesus Christ didn’t go to a “pagan pool”. He went to a well known area where a certified angel of God went to trouble the waters and people were healed. You’re as bad as the Pharisees who accused Jesus of using the devil’s powers when doing God’s work!

            As far as costuming and pagan parties go – there is nothing new under the sun. There surely did exist practices like this, and the nation of Israel was condemned for dabbling in them, even while they “feared God and served idols”.

          • Matt Arnold

            Look up the history of John 5:4. It’s not in any of the major Greek manuscripts and was added in later by a copyist to try and explain what was happening from a Jewish perspective.

            If you’re not convinced, check out your own Bible footnotes!

          • Guest

            I don’t care what commentaries and footnotes say. I care what the Word of God says. You are adding things to Scripture just like the Pharisees did, and you are taking away from Scripture just like the Saducees did.

          • Matt Arnold

            Oh the irony of what you just said re John 5:4 🙂

          • Sandra Shill

            But, the Word of God according to which manuscript/translation, Guest? That’s the point that Matt A. Is trying to make (and the point of having commentaries/footnotes in a Bible). Unless you’re over 2,000 years old and used to hang out with Jesus, you’re stuck relying on the manuscripts, and various translations of manuscripts that purport to contain the Word of God.

          • Guest

            There’s only one Word of God. As far as footnotes and commentaries go, they can sometimes be okay, but it’s the Holy Spirit who guides us through the Word. Anyone who truly wants to know the Word can. It’s not like God leaves us on our own to figure things out. Seek and you WILL find. That’s a promise.

          • Sandra Shill

            When you read the Bible, you read it in English, no? How do you think it got that way? Someone (actually, a long string of someones) had to translate it from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, etc. during that long translation process, which took place over many hundreds of years and in different political climates, various translation decisions were made, which is why different relious scholars believe that certain words may have been mistranslated in different ways.

            Now, if you’re talking about what I hear God saying to me, personally, then nothing I’ve said in any of my posts runs counter to that. God is much more worried about my being of good service to people and to the Earth than God is about whether folks dress up in costumes and collect some candy. And I see in the beauty of nature and the frolicking of the animals that God does, indeed want us to enjoy our time on this glorious Earth, not just bide our time until it’s time to pass over.

          • Guest

            How do you know I read it in English?

          • Sandra Shill

            You’re right, I don’t…I apologize for making that assumption.

            So you’re fluent in Aramaic, Hebrew, and Ancient Greek then?

          • Matt

            You’re the lesbian who posts on CNN. Nice try.

          • Sandra Shill

            Nope, not a lesbian, as my husband will attest to, but nice try.

          • Matt

            Whether or not you’re a lesbian, you have claimed to be one on other sites, as well as Jewish, Mormon, an atheist, etc. Dumb and dumber.

          • Sandra Shill

            When did I ever claim to be a lesbian, a Mormon, or an Atheist?? I am none of those things and have never claimed to be. Cite your sources!

          • Matt

            Funny you’re talking about Greek manuscripts and footnotes, and you didn’t even know the meaning of the word concord (which is not an ancient word. It’s still used today.)

          • Matt Arnold

            What sort of person calls someone anti-semitic and a pagan apologeticist when they’re neither. Your observational skills are very poor if that’s your conclusion from what I’ve written.

            Isn’t it a shame when you have to resort to ad hominem attacks – it’s usually the sign of someone who hasn’t anything worth left to argue with.

            Maybe when you take up studying missiology and theology you’ll understand what I’m talking about. Until then, i hope you don’t keep up the work of the Accuser (after all, it’s Satan who makes false accusations against God’s children).

            You see, all the people arguing against Halloween on here seem to end up resorting to condemning those who disagree with them as being apostate / pagans / anti-semites / (insert other insult here). What does that suggest? They’re actually doing Satan’s work in condemning the brethren. Very sad indeed – so blind. Watch it lest ye be deceived.
            This song was written for all those accusers on here who love to point the finger and condemn people. Enjoy!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7CllkFgPKM

            So, chin up and move along. The are people all around you who need to hear the Gospel in words and actions.

          • Sandra Shill

            Actually, chances are that, as a Jewish child, Jesus may very well have dressed up in a costume for Purim.

          • Guest

            You cannot compare Purim with a pagan holiday! Shame on you!

          • Sandra Shill

            I was merely refuting your assertion that “…he did not dress up in a costume and trick or treat for candy” by pointing out that he probably did dress up in costume (although, granted, he probably celebrated with hamentaschen instead of candy).

          • Guest

            Trick or treating isn’t part of Purim. You are ignorant of Judaism, among other things. Nice of you to capitalize “God” when you normally don’t do it.

          • Sandra Shill

            I never said trick or treating was a part of Purim, I said that children dressing in costumes often is. And you’re right…I capitalized God here in my posts here out of respect to the folks who post here, because I didn’t want to offend. so, yes, I would think that would be considered a nice thing to do.

          • Guest

            You’re not a Christian, you have never read the Bible, both Old and New Covenants, cover to cover, you don’t know Jesus Christ, yet you came here to wag your finger and lecture Christians and tell them what to think and do? You spend your time watching garbage like the Bachelor, and then you come here trying to act high and mighty and educate what you assume are the ignorant masses? Honestly, that gave me a huge laugh until I started feeling sorry for you, and disgusted with your blasphemy.

          • Sandra Shill

            Actually, yes I have read the Bible cover to cover, old and new testaments, more than once. I have not once told anyone what to think or do. And, yes, I do watch The Bachelor, but only because my mom likes it (I have no idea why….I find it pretty dumb) and it gives her pleasure for me to watch it with her.

            Please don’t pretend to know me. Feel sorry for me, be disgusted with me, whatever it pleases you to do, but don’t make fallacious statements about me, please.

          • Guest

            Funny for someone who’s supposedly read the Bible, you know very little of it. As far as your claim about the Bachelor, you sure talk obsessively about it in such detail. Odd for someone who claims to watch it to make someone else happy. I’m sure she forces you to post obsessively about it, too.

          • Sandra Shill

            I don’t know what you’re talking about….when and where did I post obsessively about The Bachelor? Can you send me links to those “obsessive” posts? I’d be curious to see them!

          • Sandra Shill

            Never mind about my link request…I found the two posts I made. Do two posts really count as “obsessive?” If so, then I guess you’re right. And, no, my mother didn’t make me post those….I may have actually gotten into a couple of episodes, despite not being a fan of the show in general. However, I will admit that I can sometimes enjoy a “garbage” show (not so much The Bachelor, but there have, from time to time, been others). I think many, if not most, people can relate to that!

          • Matt

            You’re the CNN lesbian poster. Why are you pretending to be a Christian?

          • John_33

            Oh please, it was not a pagan pool. An angel of the Lord would have nothing to do with a pagan pool – it was a godly angel who went there in John 5:4. You are finding pagan connections where there are none, and that’s because you are one.

            – God says not to eat meat offered to idols (Revelation 2:14;20), yet you say that it’s a matter of conscience and you can do it.

            – God says to avoid having fellowship with darkness (Ephesians 5:11), yet you claim that you are called to have fellowship with them.

            – God warns that we are to be holy (1 Peter 1:16), yet you claim that God says we can go anywhere without getting dirty.

            – God says to come out of the world (2 Corinthians 6:17), yet you say to go to every place in the world.

            Witchcraft is as the sin of rebellion, and that’s what you are doing. You are twisting God’s Word because you want to do what you want rather than what He wants. You do not know God or His Word because you are not one of His.

          • Matt Arnold

            The pool of Bethesda *was* a pagan pool! Sorry, and Jesus was there!!!!

            Check out and do your research!!!! I’ll help you with a link, you can certainly go and “study to show yourself approved of God” to prove me otherwise wrong…
            http://jewishstudies.eteacherbiblical.com/john-5-2-5-who-will-heal-you-a-greek-or-a-jewish-god/

            I do not say it’s a matter of Conscience – Paul does! (1 Corinthians 8) Stalemate on this one I’m afraid.

            Jesus had fellowship with drunkards, sinners etc and was known as a “friend of sinners”Matt 11:19 – we are called to have fellowship with PEOPLE, not follow other belief systems – BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

            We are called to go to every place in the world Acts 1:8 “But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” We’re called to come out of the world’s *systems* which is what 2 Cor 6:17 is referencing. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

            I’m committing witchcraft by disagreeing with you? Fair dinkum in that case – I disagree with you. Maybe you’re committing witchcraft by disagreeing with me by the reverse argument? Or maybe you’re just being silly now and calling “Witch” just like the 9 year old girl in the Pendel Witch Trials? It’s very easy to call someone names when you diagree with them. I’ll not reciprocate.

            You said: “You do not know God or His Word because you are not one of His.”

            Thanks for your condemnation of me as I follow Christ. I will rest in the blessing of Jesus as he declared in Matthew 5:11-12, “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

            And may God bless you richly too in your walk with Christ.

          • John_33

            Going to an anti-Christian site doesn’t prove that the pool was pagan. The proof needs to come from the Bible.

            You said:

            I do not say it’s a matter of Conscience – Paul does! (1 Corinthians 8) Stalemate on this one I’m afraid.

            No, there is no stalemate when Jesus says something. When Jesus said “Let there be light,” there was light. And when He calls something unclean, it’s unclean. You don’t get to play with His words. What do you think He will say about that on Judgement Day? Besides, Paul did condemn it in 1 Corinthians 8:10-12 and the Apostles condemned it in Acts 15:29. You are rebelling against the Word of God because you have placed your own ways above God’s. That’s what the Pharisees did. They had a form of godliness, but they were wicked on the inside.

            You said:

            Jesus had fellowship with drunkards, sinners etc and was known as a “friend of sinners”Matt 11:19 – we are called to have fellowship with PEOPLE, not follow other belief systems – BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

            No again. Matt 11:19 records Jesus listing what the Pharisees accused Him of.

            You said:

            We’re called to come out of the world’s *systems* which is what 2 Cor 6:17 is referencing. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

            Indeed, and that includes pagan holidays. The Catholic Church took the Irish pagan holiday (the Wiccan holiday) and slapped the name Hallows Eve on it and told the Irish that they were to ‘remember’ the dead. The result? The practice continues – that’s why the practice continues in Latin America. Santa Muerte – a pre-Catholic religious deity is still celebrated by many Catholics as a saint on this day (the Day of the Dead – October 31) and is offered (guess what) human sacrifices! This IS a Wiccan holiday – it’s why God said to come out. People cannot have fellowship with God and the devil. They are either on God’s side or Lucifer’s side. Clearly, the Day of the Dead/Halloween is on the devil’s side.

            You said:

            I’m committing witchcraft by disagreeing with you?

            No, I called you a pagan because you are replacing God’s system with your own in rebellion. Case in point – refusing to accept Jesus’ words on eating meat offered to idols.

            Matthew 5:11-12 applies to persecuted believers, not to people who are warned about straying from God. Call it whatever you wish, but I’m telling you that you are not on God’s path.

          • Matt Arnold

            “Going to an anti-Christian site doesn’t prove that the pool was pagan. The proof needs to come from the Bible.” Oh dear – you don’t know how archaeological evidence seems to work do you? I won’t argue this point as you clearly don’t understand and no amount of evidence I show you will convince you on this issue. Jesus went to a pagan pool – period. The historical, archaeological evidence shows it. John 5:4 is only found in much later manuscripts, not in the earliest ones, which seems to suggest that it wasn’t there originally, it was inserted afterwards (a bit like the Comma Johanneum in the KJV).

            Stalemate re the food sacrificed to idols. Paul seems to say one thing, Jesus another – both contained in the Bible, which is the word of God without error. Maybe the interpretation is in error?

            Matt 11:19 – erm, they’d be saying something pretty silly and people would call them out if it wasn’t true. But anyway, no matter, let God be true and every man a liar.

            ” The Catholic Church took the Irish pagan holiday (the Wiccan holiday) and slapped the name Hallows Eve on it…”
            Facepalm – Wicca is a British mystery tradition created in the 20C by Gerald Gardner and Doreen Valientee – the Irish Samhain was going nearly 2000 years earlier. Oh I do wish you knew some history about the subjects you’re supposed to be an expert at. It’s getting silly all this pointing you to historical stuff if you’re going to ignore it.

            OK, then I’ll allow you to call me a pagan then. It’ll be interesting when we get to glory and there’s a “pagan” knocking on your door wanting to have fellowship with you. Still, I’ll get the first drink in 🙂

            I’m on the path God called me to follow, I follow the Holy Spirit and that’s all I can do. If you’re not happy to call me a fellow believer in that, well, that’s your decision.

            I think, now it’s got to a stage that you’re starting to get personal about my walk with Jesus and are stating that I’m not, when you know nothing about my standing before Christ and personal devotional life, it’s time to say “bye bye” to our conversation. Nothing will change your mind, except the Holy Spirit. Nothing will change my mind, except the Holy Spirit.

            But, I will leave you with this blessing:

            May Christ richly bless you as you follow his footsteps
            May he open your eyes to the work he is doing in the people around you.
            May he give you the strength to be challenged and push through to a greater understanding of who He is and how he works in this world.
            May your words be seasoned with salt and pour soothing balm on the hurts of this world.
            May you be found in him, wherever he may send you.

            Oh, and this, my all time favourite blessing:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wekp8XB4AoE

            Be blessed my brother in Christ.
            Matt

    • Sha-wei

      Given your spirited apologia for observances of pagan or, at least,
      non-biblical provenance, I had concluded, somewhat reluctantly, that “thou art
      beside thyself: much learning doth make thee mad”. On closer consideration,
      however, I was struck by your offhand remark about Christians’ “persecution
      complex”, and this began changing the picture I had formed of you and your
      intentions; for, how can you make light of what is UNDENIABLY TRANSPIRING and ravaging the Church in the very hemisphere in which you say you travel and work? For your enlightenment, then, the following:

      “According to the organization’s findings in its Open Doors 2014 World Watch List, released last week, Christians are still by far the most persecuted demographic on earth — and the trends are getting worse. In 2012, the group’s annual report documented the martyrdom of more than 1,200 Christians. Last year, there were more than that martyred just in Syria…

      Overall, the report documented 2,123 murders of Christians for their faith in 2013. An estimated 100 million believers in Christ, meanwhile, still suffer from ruthless persecution around the globe, Open Doors found. Among other atrocities carried out against Christians for their faith: imprisonment, torture, rape, execution, expulsion, forced labor, and more. Christians are persecuted in more than 65 countries around the world, with the vast majority in Asia and Africa — and especially in the Middle East, where Islamist rulers often purport to make faith in Christ a crime.

      In all, a Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life report found that Christianity faces restrictions and hostility in more than 110 countries — far more than half of the nations in the world.”

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/17417-christian-martyrdom-doubled-in-2013-persecution-growing

      And there are myriad more articles in similar vein, requiring just a simple Internet search:

      https://www.opendoorsusa.org/press/2014/January/Persecution-of-Christians-Increases

      http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/613003773.html

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/08/us-christianity-persecution-report-idUSBREA070PB20140108

      http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-boland/pew-study-christians-are-world-s-most-oppressed-religious-group

      http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/worldwide-christian-persecution-is-increasing-and-is-largely-ignored-21687/
      …………………………………………………………………………………………

      And might I task you with gleaning through the archives of this same Christian News Network for the weekly smorgasbord of “persecution stories” here in the West, nowhere near as bloody as those overseas, it’s true, but still deeply
      disquieting in their unprecedented and vitriolic tenor? Even so, this “persecution complex” is a droll thing, is it not, “Matt”? (Continued below)

      • Matt Arnold

        Your data is correct. On the grand scheme of persecution worldwide, Christians who whine about how ” Christian “

        • MO

          You two sound very intelligent. mpov, we are instructed to bring our children up in the way they should go. Eph 6:4, …”training and instruction of the *Lord* ” and Paul wrote to the corinthians telling them not to be yoked together with unbelievers, 2cor 6:14. Not that we shouldn’t pray for them and speak Jesus word to them, but we should not follow their ways, even christians that are only following old family traditions, cause of ignorance, but once our blinders fall off, we have a change. Paul even said to the sorcerer, “Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?” who was full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Acts 13:8-10 just sayin…

          • Matt Arnold

            Indeed, we do bring our children up in that way. The way that saw Jesus associating with those the religious authorities saw as being outcasts and not worth bothering with. We bring them up that the Christian life is an adventurous journey with Christ as the goal, path, companion and guide throughout. We teach them not to be unequally yoked etc. We also teach them the difference between the style of something (by which I mean the “how” something is delivered, in our case, pagan stylistically) and the content (which is Christocentric). Discernment is the key here, and the wisdom to know not just the difference between right and wrong, but right and nearly right.

            Our blinders fell off when we encountered something called “Double Listening” and “Missio Dei” – two missiological terms which are so much needed in the Church today (and which will form part of my upcoming new deanery role as “Growing Disciples Adviser in Evangelism”).
            Double Listening: http://davidhitherto.wordpress.com/2011/08/01/john-stott-double-listening-and-dependency/

            Missio Dei: http://www.wycliffe.net/resources/missiology/globalperspectives/tabid/97/Default.aspx?id=3960

            If you really want to be a more effective evangelist, have a look at the two links above and pray through what God says to you. You’ll then begin an amazing journey with God which takes you places you never thought possible, secure in the knowledge and love of God.

            The Spirit says “I’m off. Who’s coming?” (John 3:8) Are you ready and willing?

            Bright blessings in the Light of the World

          • MO

            Okay, Thank you, I will view the links and pray about my journey. Thanx again, peace to you, your family and blessings to your journey. Jesus, be with us.

          • Sha-wei

            You’re quite right, but I was being highly ironic towards “Matt”. I’m afraid it didn’t come through very clearly, however. Thank you for voicing your opinion.

      • Matt Arnold

        Exactly my point. On the scale of global persecution, a few people going around with Halloween costumes on isn’t persecution, as some see it as – eroding Christian values in their nation and call that persecution. Those people need to see what real persecution is.

        Every blessing in Christ
        “Mad” matt

  • Ron Martinez

    This man is like a JW. They don’t celebrate Christian holidays but they will take the extra pay if their boss requires them to work on that day. They will gladly take the day off if their boss gives it to them. Mike Gendron speaks at churches that have “fall festival” and gladly takes the money for his labor. Fall festivals are the result of the pegan not Christian practices. I think Mike ought to give back all the money he has taken from the churches that celebrate haloween via the fall type festivals. Or maybe he should repent because of the same requirements he puts onto others.

    • wandakate

      RON MARTINEZ; I’m not familiar with Mike or what he does in that regard, but I do however know that all those “Christian Festivals” are being done to honor Halloween. Most of them are on Halloween or the weekend prior to it. They might as well say they are honoring satan, because none of it is honoring JESUS, that’s a fact. The Churches are trying to please their members that want to do a church thing for all the children but they don’t realize that JESUS would NOT participate in this at all.

    • MO

      WOW, that’s pretty awesome. I do not know Mike either, but if what you say is true, I agree with you. Strife in the house/church, plays right into the world religion set up.

  • Alan Vincent

    This video explains why halloween is NOT Christian and the origins of All Saints Day (which is associated with Catholicism which is in no way Christian). Catholicism is what the Bible describes as the whore of Babylon and Mystery Babylon false religion which is the counterfeit of true Christianity (See Rev 17 & 18). http://youtu.be/rtR8x0arrnM

    • Matt Arnold

      Some problems I have with this seminar:

      2:12 – Samhain is pronounced “sow-en”. Not a good start for someone who’s researched this.

      3:26 – “Samhain the lord of death” – sorry, Samhain means “Summer’s End” in Irish Gaelic. There never was a god / lord of death called “Samhain” – that was an invention of 1960s evangelical US Christians I’m afraid. Please feel free to contractict me with good solid evidence from an academic peer-reviewed source. We’re called not to be “false witnesses” simply because when we’re called out on it by the world, we look like liars and people won’t want anything to do with us.

      6:25 on here – bobbing for apples – “used for divination”, yet another video here (at 10:40): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxyrRTXVr5k seems to say that apple bobbing was done by people being sacrificed (and gives a really gruesome story of what went on).

      Regarding what both the link you have provided and the video I have provided, both have some amazing stories of what the ancient druids did. However, I’m puzzled as to what sources these are using. It’s certainly not in any academic, historical literature from the times they existed. Even the British Druid Order (who *should* know about the history of the druids), and British professors of history are saying that we know very little about the druids apart from the few written accounts from Roman sources (as the ancient Britons were an oral culture, not writing down their materials). http://www.druidry.co.uk/what-is-druidry/bard-ovate-and-druid/what-is-a-druid/a-little-druid-history/

      Yes, archaeological evidence seems to suggest they were not averse to human sacrifice: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090320-druids-sacrifice-cannibalism.html but that’s about all we know. We don’t know the methods or any of their rituals as they weren’t written down by the Romans.

      So what we have is Christians drinking up information from a pool that is self filling from the inventions of other Christians and so myths and false stories are perpetuated, thus breaking one of the 10 commandments.

      Given the shaky start, he seems to have some clue about modern day pagans, but I don’t know of any pagan pathway which uses human sacrifice, seeing as they’re against the destruction of life. There are some idiots which seem to use human sacrifice, but these wouldn’t be true pagans any more than Westboro Baptist Church is a Christian church.

      He’s correct about Wiccans denying the existence of Satan, saying it’s an invention of God.
      He’s correct about Samhain being a high festival in the modern pagan movements.

      I gave up at 15 mins in as it was half twelve at night and I need to sleep for work tomorrow.

      Interesting clip, but as I’ve said, it’s full of common mistakes made by Christians which make me cringe when true pagans hear these things and point out how wrong they are from a historically accurate point of view.

  • Alan Vincent

    The Roman Catholic Church is a damning and a false religion. It is nothing less than a front for the kingdom of Satan. It preaches and promotes a damning delusion. http://mustbebornagain.wordpress.com/roman-catholicism-a-damning-and-false-religion/

  • Brian Lauer

    How can Kirk imply “that Christians are allowed to enjoy worldly traditions” when 1 John 2:15-16 states:

    15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. – 1 John 2:15-16

    • MO

      Hallelujah! I agree with you. Lets pray for Kirk, he like all of us can slip.

  • Clark

    Rather than celebrate Halloween as All Saints Day, or All Hallows Eve, Christians should be in a much more somber mood and engage in praying for those who are being ritually abused and sometimes sacrificed at this time (especially young children), as well as for the souls of those engaging in activities that will both deceive and lead them to hell.

    • MO

      I agree, your right. Lets pray!

  • MO

    O! Lord have mercy, not Kirk too! I think I will agree with MIke. Kirk! search the word of God again brother, and repent, recant the ill-informed message you gave.

  • Jessiah Fleet

    Sad little “Pharisees” debate this. You look like pious fools. Do you truly believe satan is worshiped by celebrators of American Halloween? Most of the arguments given in the article are proof texting anyway… Go remove your planks before you seek others specks.
    “For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is an evil for that man who eats with offence. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor anything whereby your brother stumbles, or is offended, or is made weak.”
    Romans 14:20–21. “Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: ‘For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.’ If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and you be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. But if any man say unto you, ‘This is offered in sacrifice unto idols,’ eat not for his sake that showed it, and for conscience sake: ‘for the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.’”
    1 Corinthians 10:25–28.
    If you’ve got a problem with it, if getting a Snickers from your neighbor will cause you to falter, don’t do it. But don’t think your ridiculous piety saves you, Pharisee. I have been freed by The Lord from these “laws” you make and will continue to honor him even while I have fun with my children.

    • Matt

      The laws you are making fun of are God’s laws. In other words, You are despising His word. The Pharisees didn’t honor God’s laws, they honored their own.

      • Jessiah Fleet

        Let me make myself quite clear! YOU mock God by supplanting your law with His. Read again. He has freed us from mans law regarding piety. He said that that if something causes you to stumble, Don’t do it. But you are free to partake of the earth and the fullness thereof. Before there were pagan eggs, GOD MADE THEM. Before there were pagan trees, GOD MADE THEM. Before there were spooky pumpkins, GOD MADE THEM. If you are intentional in living for Christ in all things, in all ways there is no accidentally honoring satan. But men that supplant his word for theirs to boast among men that THEY have the fast track to piety, they are missing the point and would be well advised to read the bible throug the lens of the GOSPEL. 1 Corinthians 1:18-25King James Version (KJV)

        18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

        19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

        20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

        21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

        22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

        23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

        24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

        • [email protected]

          Thank you Jessiah. Blessings.

      • [email protected]

        But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If
        therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

  • http://www.eatmyfartsIslam.com billwhit1357

    As long as I feel God is Happy with my actions, I could care less what anyone else has to say! If they feel it is evil, then they have every right not to celebrate, but if not, so be it! Too many people trying to dictate what others can and cannot do, just like this worthless and pathetic excuse of a President we now have.

  • BeBeX

    Well imagine that…Christians not agreeing!!! No wonder the world is so confused. It is time the Christians stop backing away from all things pagan and start showing the other side. There are two (2) forces on planet earth. Satan w/his demons and God/Holy Spirit. Evil vs. Holiness. Always has been….always will be UNTIL the Holy Spirit is taken out (of this world).

    Christians celebrate JESUS’ Birth @ Christmas….the world celebrates santa clause.
    Christians celebrate JESUS’ Resurrection @ Easter…the world celebrates a rabbit.
    Likewise Christians should celebrate Halloween as the Harvest…witness….proclaim the Gospel….show the other side. If Christians remain uninvolved, silent, and continue to look away, we will have a lot to answer to one day.

    • MO

      The world is not in confusion because ‘christians’ disagree with each other. To my understanding paganism is not condoned by El-Shaddai & for good reason. I will agree about the two forces. Truth and lies that is what causes all the confusion. Each to their own on what they want to celebrate or not. It is not anyones place to condemn or judge, but if a person is going to sport the ‘christian’ jacket, then they should give sound biblical advise.

      • BeBeX

        The world is very much confused on what God’s Holy Word says and means because Christians cannot agree on the Bible. Since God created us all with the free will to choose whom we would serve, then His Word must be proclaimed. Otherwise there would only be lies in the world and no Truth. Jesus, Himself said, “satan in the father of lies.” My post was in reference to the article we were commenting on. Two Christians with totally opposite views on halloween, and how Christians should respond. My post was in agreement with Kirk.

        • MO

          Okay beebex. With all do respect, I do not think it fair to put all the blame on all the christians, just my pov. BUT, Jesus also said, just before that, “Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.” You do not think Kirk is wrong? That’ okay, we are all entitled to our own opinion. Paganism is paganism, justification to honor a pagan day, is justification to honor a pagan celebrated day. Each to their own, Jesus will sort it out when He gets here, I do not worry. have a blessed day.

  • MO

    Early ‘catholicism’ church, “325 AD” / mixed with ancient early organized religions … Catholicism feels very fraudulent! & Deceptive, mixing to justify the “early churches” diabolical efforts.

    “Original” Christianity started with the 12 apostles of Jesus the Christ. The catholic church seems to have (tried) to distort the truth of Jesus and His disciples. And it seems like most think Christianity is the Catholic church.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      So does the rest of the world, which tells us how uneducated most Christians are about their own faith!

      • MO

        o/ huh, not sure I’m understanding, ‘so does the ret of the world” what? pls explain better, and who is ‘us’? also to my understanding of biblical text, “Faith” is from the Holy Spirit, so no man can boast. Eph 2: 8-10. I can’t speak for anyone but myself, and I do not feel ‘uneducated’ but if that is how you choose to see me, so what. I believe in my heart I am fine just where I am at.

        • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

          MO I am in total agreement t. I was only stating that the rest of the unbelieving world regards Christianity as the RCC and in fact most Christians see nothing wrong with RCC doctrine. That tells us, the remnant of Christ’s body, how uneducated most Christians are about Christianity.

      • [email protected]

        I got it. Thank you IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr

  • Joseph Arechavala

    Ah yes, the “Catholics aren’t real Christians” meme, so popular for so many decades. Thanks, Mr. Gendron, for showing us all your true stripes.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      Of course there are true Christians in the RCC. They are on their way out the door.

    • Guest

      Joseph, so you condone pedophilia and the catholic church’s murderous history?

      • Joseph Arechavala

        Oh, I really DO wish I could fit all the words in my mouth you’re trying to put there…

  • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

    Don’t know about Cameron. Heard he’s on the road to Rome. But He’s kinda right about Halloween.

    If you are going to pull people back into the law regarding days etc, then remove your phannic wreaths and phallic Christmas trees from your foyers, remove any celebration of Easter, and then talk to me about the Americana celebration of “spooky” at Halloween.

    The fact is is that Christmas is celebrated on the day Jesus, while celebrating Channukah, referred to as an Abomination of Desolation. Easter (Ishtar, Ashteroth, Asherah, Asherah Pole) was in actuality the most sexually immoral day of the year in Pagan religions and one of the practices, if not the most egregious one, that the Israelites practiced before they were decimated and carted off to Assyria under God’s judgement.

    The truth is is that removing Halloween does not remove the darkness of our hearts. Removing Xmas would not remove the tendency to believe the lie, and removing Easter would not remove the sexual immorality from the minds of God’s church. We do these things to misdirect our attentions from the real issue, that our hearts are far from Him. We do things in place of repentance to try to make our own way back to the arms of the Father.

    • MO

      Some do these things, some don’t. Not everyone celebrates these pagan / worldly holidays. Some truly do try and separate themselves from this world while still walking in it. Some pray for the people, including the christian people that seem to still have some sort of blinders on, and try and tell the biblical word, not their own word, but what Jesus said and did. (we aught to always love our neighbor as we love ourselves) peace

  • akitty77

    “Christian” artist Natalie Grant needs to have her eyes opened to the truths of Halloween as well. She’s mislead hundreds of thousands of Christians and non-Christians with her post on her FB page which stated:

    “I’ve dealt with plenty of negative comments on facebook. I’ve got pretty thick skin and I know who I am in Christ. But sometimes it still gets to me. However, I figured I might as well get this topic out of the way.

    I’ve had many people over the years ask me if I “celebrate” Halloween. I don’t celebrate evil. Or darkness. Or witches, ghosts and goblins. But I DO celebrate kids. And princesses. And fairies. And candy. Lots and lots of candy. And neighbors. And community. As children of the Light, why in the world would we hide in our houses on what is considered a “dark” day? And what other day of the year does your entire neighborhood show up at your doorstep? What good does it do to make sure all of the lights are out, trying to make a “stand” for righteousness while the neighbors turn and walk away? No – as a Jesus follower I will open my door wide, greet everyone with a smile and hand out the best candy possible. You don’t have to agree with me. That’s totally ok. We still both belong to Christ. Oh, and I forgot one other thing I celebrate…freedom in Christ WITHOUT the yoke of legalism. Let the candy collecting begin.

    PS – read Romans 14 xoxo”

    • [email protected]

      Natalie put it quite well. Bless her.

  • 4everlife

    As believers in Jesus Christ, we will give an account of the following:
    what we choose to think (2 Cor. 10:5)
    what we choose to say (Mat. 12:36)
    what we choose to do (Rom. 2:5-6).
    Let us learn from this incident and make our choices wisely and carefully.

    • MO

      Thank you

  • ancapian

    “To the pure, all things are pure…” Titus 1:15

    • Guest

      Does that include pagan worship, sexual slavery, human trafficking. homosexuality, incest, and bestiality?

      • ancapian

        this is a good question. i would take it to Father 😀

        • [email protected]

          😀 😉 <3

    • [email protected]

      THANK YOU ancapian for sharing that scripture. My family has always told ghost stories on Halloween for fun. Some of my best memories are of Halloween celebrations with my family. If you are pure, then you see purity, and if you are “evil” then you will find “evil” everywhere.

  • Bonnie Rice

    And to those who want to judge and condemn, there is always an excuse. Anything to avoid having to love our neighbors.

    • [email protected]

      This is exactly what I see over and over Bonnie. Actions do speak louder. Blessings.

  • wandakate

    CHRISTIANNEWS.NET: If this is supposed to be a Christian website then why do you allow Jenni Lovsey to use profanity on it? Are you not scanning these comments before you print them on here? You should be. What kind of example is that.? These comments with all this foul language should never have made it this far, that I should be reading it. Where are you guidelines?

    • Guest

      Use the flag button.

  • Donna

    I don’t celebrate Halloween because of who it represents and, from experience, know how evil he is! At the same time, I know that we are all in different places in our walk with GOD, and are only responsible for the light He gives us. I get it that some feel the need to be a witness during this time, but that’s between them and the Holy Spirit! We spend more time railing at the unsaved, at the devil, and at each other, especially online, that we forget to lift up the Name of Jesus, and let Him reveal the truth through His Holy Spirit. We forget to love, too!

  • Todd

    Reading the comments on here might give me an aneurysm, but at least they’re somewhat entertaining. The lack of critical thinking in the modern evangelical Church astounds me. Some of you are SO close to getting it right, though. You name drop Constantine and Luther, yet you fail to understand the influence that they and so many others still have over you yet today. They were both, in their own right, horrible men in a long line of horrible men who used the so-called Word of God to subjugate and control women, brown people, and anyone else who stood in their way. And their argument is the same as yours. It’s a cyclical argument: The Word of God says so, so I say so, so let it be true; accept what it says, i.e., what *I* say, or die and/or burn in Hell for all eternity. Listen up – your infalliable, inerrant Word of God was written by MEN, and if you truly accept it as is in whatever translated or paraphrased form that you currently read, if you accept it as God-breathed, then you also accept that your infalliable, inerrant Word of God was EDITED and/or INFLUENCED by men such as Constantine, Luther and other MEN in order to advance their own notions of manifest destiny, subjugation, power and CONTROL. *That* is your KJV, NIV, NASB, etc. and if you open your eyes, if you read between the lines instead of accepting your Bible as is, caveat emptor, as your teachers have taught you, you’ll see that the themes of blatant sexism, racism, manifest destiny, etc. start “In the beginning” and exist throughout the Bible. How dare you, how dare anyone, posit a WWJD question without realizing that the matter of your heart isn’t WWJD, but more like “What would I do, what point do *I* want to drive across in this comment thread?” It’s much easier to answer what Jesus wouldn’t do or say than to answer what he would do or say. For instance, his notion of evangelism wasn’t to convert people to his teachings or else they’ll go to Hell for eternity, it wasn’t to feed the hungry AND oh yeah, by the way, make sure to tell them about me while you do it, or else THEY’LL go to Hell, it was straight up feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison, etc. (the least of these passage) or else YOU’LL go to Hell. No hidden message for the least of these, no get out of Hell free card in addition to the clothes and food they so desperately need, just food and clothes PERIOD, people. So quit cursing your notion of darkness and get out there and freaking HELP people that need it…THAT’S the Good News of Jesus! “Here’s your no strings attached food, money and clothing, people, and I’m not doing this because I think you’re going to Hell, I’m doing it because you NEED it.” If Hell exists, you are living in it right now because you’re blinded by what you were taught. You are slaves to the status quo that seeks to keep rich WHITE MEN in power, and until you use your brain and stop following your vague “heart,” you will remain that way. Liberate yourselves, people, for your own sake and for your fathers’ and mothers’ sake!

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      You have apparently done what you are accusing others of. You have used your confirmation bias to accuse others of bias. Frankly your post smacks of a lot of Internet reading,
      Investigate the alternative hypothesis. How does prophecy come true? Self fulfillment? Does that make any mathematical sense? If the probability is too high for your hypothesis that man self fulfilled prophecy, consider whether your God is indeed strong enough to maintain His Word through 44 different authors. We believe He is.

  • Arrie

    Something else came to me. There are multiple passages in the bible where we are told not to partake in something where that action may cause someone else to stumble, to become offended or even be made weak.
    I think Romans and not sure, Corinthians – please do not test my memory on exacts here.
    But definitely states that if you do something, yet that something offends, weakens or make someone else to stumble, it should not be partake in. It’s a question of conscience also, I recall Paul spoke about that elsewhere in detail also.
    In light of that alone and not the origin, etc. of Halloween, can we say we should stay away from this ritual?

    • [email protected]

      Thank you Arrie.

  • [email protected]

    Extremely religious folks really like to manufacture the devil where he doesn’t exist.
    Their first reaction to everything is fear.
    The “devil” is anyone they can’t manipulate.
    If they could put the religious brainwashing aside,
    and cast the demons of Fear and Ignorance out of their lives,
    and reclaim some humanity
    they might start seeing people instead of “devils”
    but no…..

  • Abigail

    I don’t know why anyone would give the devil a day . Guess what ? It isn’t his . No Kirk you do not need to repent for reclaiming a day for Christ that Christians so quickly give over to the devil . The devil HAS NO DAY ! Anyone that believes that he does is worshipping him . I repeat that , if you don’t celebrate Halloween because you feel it is the devils day or because it is the celebration of the devil you ARE worshipping the devil. I know its hard to swallow , you are offended but you just gave him a celebratory day . Its not his , he does not deserve the recognition . DONT give it to him . I celebrate Halloween because IT IS the eve of ALL SAINTS DAY it is also Reformation day , besides that its my dads birthday . My kids dress up we pass out candy and we have friends over for pizza and board games . I was raised that it was an evil day in celebration of satan . Woman I know have begged Doctors to induce labor early or to stop it so they don’t give birth on the Devil’s day . You are the ones that need to seek repentance !! You are the ones that will face God and explain to him why you told your children a lie . If Christianity is just a list of rules and regulations or standards about what you don’t do you may need to do a recheck . Funny how the only people that claim halloween as the devils day are Christians. Yes I know it has pagan roots . If you study your history you will find that the church building itself , Easter , Christmas , and most of what is practiced in the church today also has pagan roots . This is where and how we lose . Kirk owes no one an apology , anyone that would give the Devil a day does .

  • jennylynn

    Have no fellowship with the unfruitfull deeds of darkness, but wrather expose them.
    Ephesians 5:11

    Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is His good pleasing and perfect will,
    Romans 12:2

  • Bonnie

    Halloween began with the Celtics who had an occult type religion. The
    Catholics tried to convert the Celtics by changing the name of the Day
    of the Dead, which was Saheim, pronounced Sahween, to All Hallows Eve.
    The Catholics changed the names of the Pagan holidays by giving them
    names that were acceptable to the church. Read the article at the
    government link from the Library of Congress? http://www.loc.gov/folklife/halloween.html

    • [email protected]

      Thank you for sharing the link.

  • Melissa Brown

    I’m confused. “Pagan Roman Catholicism?” Since when is Catholic “pagan”?

    • [email protected]

      Thank you Melissa. 🙂

    • MO

      I think folks may be referring the RCC as pagan cause it has created the nowadays holidays derived from pagan rituals, like halloween, Christmas, easter. See Bonnie’s post below. Also the RCC promotes a thing called purgatory. Which there is no such thing. The RCC also say your sins will be forgiven if you confess them to a bishop/pope i.e the confession booth, plus back in the day they ‘charged’ people to confess in those booths.

      • Melissa Brown

        That doesn’t make it pagan-pagan is, after a quick search, defined as a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions. Specifically in every definition it lists polytheism. “Pagan” doesn’t mean anything else. Just because that’s how YOU define it doesn’t make it accurate. Words have specific meanings. Words like “abortion.” You can’t just change the meaning of a word.

        • MO

          The ‘ancient’ RCC mixed ancient pagan rites with ancient christian rites to get more people into the rcc. Period! They renamed the pagan rites and rituals to suit the rcc ‘christian image.’ It’s called “deceit” and a lie that has been going on for centuries.

          Misleading people in lies and false doctrine, or twisted doctrine, 1/2 truth. 1/2 truth is still called a lie.The deception has become tradition. That does not make it right just because now it is a fun tradition.

          … “My people *perish* from lack of knowledge.” … (Hosea 4:6) It’s deceit, disguised in appearance in order to conceal the true identify. It is a form of paganism, termination is a form of abortion, heathen is a form of pagan. …

          I am not defining anything. I am simply stating truth and fact. If folks do not care to listen to truth so they can be lead away from darkness, instead they rather go on celebrating fun ‘traditions’

          Bottom line, there is No hope in the pope. All HOPE is in Jesus the Christ ONLY!

  • jpct50

    Hey ‘bible-based’ Christians, read what the bible says is “the pillar and foundation of the truth,” (hint: try 1 Tim 3:15) Then you are free to learn what the Vigil of All Saints is all about.

  • JimBob

    why would we celebrate what Christ died to destroy?

    • Peter Leh

      to mock the one defeated.

  • MoneyLaunderingNews

    that whole left behind cast are not what they appear. how many of them follow Jesus and his teachings? how many of them go and pray to and before idols? beware of them all. read your bible. pray to jesus for intercession…not to mary. do you remember the preacher in left behind? do you remember the man who played him?

    Clarence Gilyard Jr. that’s the man who played him..he is catholic. does he pray to mary? wake up folks. these movies were fun when we first cameback to the church…or when we first came to the church….it’s now time for some seriously fun study of the bible. if you can’t read the bible …listen to it…get it into your very core.

  • Victoria DiAgnello

    It is an abomination to celebrate halloween, it’s the devil’s holiday. The same avoidance goes for any pagan celebration. That applies to all who call themselves Christians. Do the online research for yourself if you care. All I do at Christmas is celebrate the birth of Jesus since we don’t know the actual day, and I go all out for that, no trees, no santa, but nativity scenes, Christmas cards, spreading the gospel, and I wish everyone a Merry Christmas to the dismay of all the atheists and pagans! : D

    • http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

      And a happy holidays to you. 😀

      But, geez, you must lead a dull life.

      • Victoria DiAgnello

        Dull is in the eyes of the beholder. When you cross that line, you get a new perspective and you wonder how you could ever have not seen things for what they are. But, Jesus makes the blind to see, so it’s no credit to us but to Him.
        Jesus loves you Max!
        <3

        • http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

          I appreciate your enthusiasm, but since I adopted a world view of Reason and thereby researched and then rejected Christianity, I’ve never been happier, more alive, and had greater empathy for others.

          It’s never bothered me that most folks say “marry Christmas.” After all, most folks in the U.S. are Christian. If I know someone who is a Christian, I say “merry Christmas.” If I do not know them, I say “happy holidays.”

          This is because I am empathetic to those who are not Christian. It is my world view that organized religion is the greatest hindrance to world peace because of its inherent lack of empathy for people of other beliefs.

          Most religions, as well as the ancient sages, profess the Golden Rule in one form or another. I believe that if this were our ONLY doctrine, we could achieve peace.

          Yet many (most?) religions tend to ignore the Golden Rule, burying it beneath walls of dogma that say, “you must believe our doctrines or you are evil and will go to hell.”

          No empathy there at all. We all need to bridge our differences, especially in matters of religion.

  • Robert Anderson

    My mother makes this incredible apple cider every Halloween and we got to be known as the “Christian Cider House.” I would make my contribution carving a pumpkin with Jesus’ face on it.
    One year, a huge Samoan guy dressed up as a Zombie came over and we gave him some cider and he asked, “YO, so, thats like Jesus right?” My mother smiled and adamently said “Yes! it is!” He did not come to Christ, but we talked a little more about it, and he got to see a ray of Light in the Darkness on a dark night.
    YOu can saya all you want about its history, where it came from. But what makes a Christian so powerful is that we are able to take enormous opportunities, like Halloween, and makes them a time of light and joy. I love fall fests, parties, and trick or treating. And I love glorifying Jesus in the process. I was actually at the talk Kirk gave about Christmas and Halloween here at Liberty. And I agree with everything he said. DONT BACK DOWN KIRK. Non-believers think we are fun-haters and slink away from anything entertaining. BUT WE HAVE THE JOY OF CHRIST!!!! He gave us life to live with Him and to glorify Him in EVERYTHING we do 🙂

  • Nats Grobler

    Kirk Cameron did not mean for Christians to celebrate Halloween as “pagan’s” celebrate Halloween.

    He meant that Christians should use Halloween for the good of God. Use this holiday to tell people that Jesus conquered death and to celebrate the new life Jesus has given us.
    People should stop interpreting things the way THEY want to interpret it.

    Maybe people should listen to a person’s WHOLE message before they judge. Sit down with the person who made the comment and find out what his heart behind the message was.

    “28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[a]have been called according to his purpose.” – Romans 8:28 NIV

  • sylviacroft

    I have done a lot of research on holidays including Christmas and Halloween. Regarding Halloween other than the Catholic church having All Saints Day and All Hallows Eve, I have never heard anything like what this article says Kirk is saying about Christians dressing up like the devil, etc. And we all know that the Catholic Church was known to incorporate the pagan and idolatry beliefs of all kinds of people into the Church in order to make people comfortable. For instance in Haiti, Voodoo is wed to Catholicism in order to bring more Haitians into the church. I have a young man who is like a son from Haiti. He knows all about it and is mortified to come to America (known as a Christian nation) and see Churches having Halloween parties and putting out Jack-O-Lanterns. In Haiti, if you are a true Christian you don’t play with the powers of darkness, not even the appearance of evil. I am shocked with Kirk.

  • L. Davis

    The devil is a liar! It is not so written in the book of Acts that the Apostles of the faith who established churches by the preaching of the gospel did any such things spoken by Cameron. We are not even to eat things offered to idols. We don’t need to mock those in occult practices, but we are to preach to them the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ; not be partakers in their folly. We are to honor JESUS alone, for He alone is exalted on high. Those who die in Christ have ceased from their labors. We are worship God alone, and not saints. Cameron is deceived and therefore a deceiver in this and in his worship of satan clause.

  • BeWhoYouAre

    This Gendron guy sounds wackier than Kirk Cameron. Catholic-bashing fundamentalists are the lowest of the low.

  • Tammy Noel Smith

    This is disappointing.I just saw Saving Christmas and struggled with some of it.I don’t agree with Cameron on Halloween and he is just really off on this one.We use this day to pray for the lost and pass out tracts[250 passed out this year].I hope he can see what Gendron is trying to get across to him.

  • Linda Castle Nichols

    You need to overcome evil with good. I think Cameron’s idea is a good one. He’s trouncing on the evil, overcoming it with good. As Christians, we should be able to walk wherever we want and celebrate whatever we want. And in the process we should trounce on the Evil One. By celebrating Halloween in the opposite spirit as it is intended, we would be trampling the evil underfoot. It’s all about the spirit behind the action. If Jesus had stayed under the power of death, He wouldn’t have been resurrected. But He was put into a grave and he triumphed over it. In the same way, we would be triumphing over Halloween if we celebrate it in the opposite spirit as the world does. By avoiding it, we are allowing Goliath to continue to taunt us. “Here I am, I’m Halloween, better run all you chicken Christians. BOOO!” But stepping in and covering it with the blood of Jesus we will defeat it. God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power. Take the power of Halloween away. Cover it with the blood of Jesus. Celebrate and dance and let everyone know that we are not afraid any longer. Christ will reign, even over Halloween

  • Peter Leh

    Even i can find two christian preachers who disagree.

    Satan has no patents. Symbols are what we make them. If god can’t take a pagan symbol and turn it for good…. then god can not save and indwell a pagan “you”.

  • Dealb70

    I have been hugely blessed by Kirk when he was with Way of the Master Ministries, but his stance on Halloween, and now Christmas, is so wrong! See how I have handled the Christmas madness over the years.
    Here:
    http://www.dea-frommyhearttoyours.blogspot.com/2014/12/is-it-ok-for-chtistians-to-not.html

    and here:

    http://www.dea-frommyhearttoyours.blogspot.com/2014/12/my-journey_4.html

  • charlieholmes

    Since when is it necessary to repent for something that is not a salvation issue? Seems to me that this whole argument of Gendron’s (and all who align with his thinking) have a pretty legalistic view of what it means to be a Christian. Pre-trib? Post-trib? How about Pan-trib? I believe that everything will pan out the way God intends it to.

    I’ll see y’all in Heaven, where you’ll learn that there are LOTS more folks there than you think!

    Happy (belated) Hallowe’en, y’all!!

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  • Col C

    I do have a problem with celebrating death, and all the gore that goes with it, and that pretty much sums up Halloween. We should be celebrating life, and I definitely think dressing up as witches, satan, or any other evil thing is wrong. A counter celebration is a great idea, though, without the evil death and gore.

  • Robin Vice Gonzales

    I love Kirk Cameron and the witness that he is for Christ, especially since God has given him a great ability to reach so many people. However, I have to agree with Gendron on this one and hope that someday Kirk will also see the error of his judgment on this subject.

  • Natalie

    His movie didn’t do very well. Sorry, Kirk, but you can’t compromise with evil, no matter if you try to put a Christian spin to it. No means no.

  • C.Gregory

    Glad to see a discussion about the true meaning behind these man made traditions. Even my children were disturbed by the previews of the Cameron movie, ” Saving Christmas “.

    ” Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty . ” 2 Corithians 6:17-18

  • InfoCentral

    I have to agree with Kirk. I grew up in the church and my parents and grand-parents were ministers. I never heard any opposition to Halloween till this last generation. All of the sudden Halloween is evil and we should hand over that day. Doesn’t sound like the Biblical response to me.

  • Gary Gray

    Halloween dates back way before Christians started making it theirs. I don’t give a rip what the early Christians did with dressing up or why. They shouldn’t have been doing it then and they shouldn’t be doing it now. Has all of Christianity lost it’s cotton pick’n mind? Imagine Apostle Peter coming out of the upper room on Pentecost with face paint and a Halloween costume. Apostasy – we’re right in the thick of it. It isn’t coming, it’s here. Turn off the tv, put away the magazines, pick up your bibles and read them cover to cover, seek Jesus Christ and stop following these apostates to the pit.

    (2 Corinthians 6:17 [AKJV])
    Why come out from among them, and be you separate, said the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

    (Galatians 5:9 [AKJV])
    A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

    (Deuteronomy 18:9 [AKJV])
    When you are come into the land which
    the LORD your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the
    abominations of those nations.

    (Deuteronomy 18:10 [AKJV])
    There shall not be found among you any one that makes his son or his
    daughter to pass through the fire, or that uses divination, or an
    observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch.

    (Deuteronomy 18:11 [AKJV])
    Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

    (Deuteronomy 18:12 [AKJV])
    For all that do these things are an abomination to the LORD: and
    because of these abominations the LORD your God does drive them out from
    before you.

    (Deuteronomy 18:13 [AKJV])
    You shall be perfect with the LORD your God.

    (Deuteronomy 18:14 [AKJV])
    For these nations, which you shall possess, listened to observers of
    times, and to diviners: but as for you, the LORD your God has not
    suffered you so to do.

  • BeBeX

    This is another example of Christian’s turning their heads, I believe that is why the country is in its present state. Why not turn pagan into Christian days? Isn’t that what the pagans have been doing all along? Jesus’ Resurrection into peter cottontail and Jesus’Conception (Dec. 25 not HIS Birthday) into santa clause, so why shouldn’t Christians turn pagan days into Celebrating Christ Days? I have a Cross w/lights displayed in the front yard….to show the Way….handing out Gospel Tracts to explain about JESUUS…..again showing the Way. It maybe the only time of the year a child hears about JESUS in a positive Way.

    Pre or Post? I’m just Pro!!!!!!! Come JESUS Come!!!

  • disqus_SUijHfDO8w

    He just wants money for the crocoduck costume.

  • Michael Falsia

    Kirk you are seriously mistaken on this one?

  • Anne Beverley Brewitt

    The guy really lacks wisdom. GOD’S word says very clearly we are to stay away from such things.

  • Found One

    God’s is word is very clear. Read it as you wish. Anything can be supported or denounced through his very clear word. Is that clear?

  • jennylynn

    Kirk is just off in many areas, this is only one of them. I pray that his eyes will be open to the many false doctrines he subscribes to.

  • http://www.gofundme.com/moving-closer-to-family Terri Geer

    Actually, the celebrating of All Hallows Eve was a long, long time before the Catholic Church came into being. Just as the winter solstice was long,, long before it became Christmas.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Christians don’t celebrate winter solstice. You seem confused.

  • https://www.rebelmouse.com/DanielsSis_Sue/WhereIsMyUSA/ DanielsSis_Sue

    Just more Christian bashing which goes on non-stop. I’d only be concerned if Kirk told us that he worships Satan.
    ❤️Christians are not perfect – but are pardoned by a perfect God.