Southern Baptists, Openly ‘Gay Christians’ Break Bread at Conference

Southern Baptist LogoNASHVILLE, Tenn.— A gathering of Southern Baptists here opened this week with Albert Mohler, stalwart head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, apologizing for “denying the reality of sexual orientation,” but saying orientation “can change.”

It closed with a pastor saying “no one goes to hell for being homosexual,” but he added Christians must remind homosexual friends and family members that “the day of judgment is coming.”

The statements from the largest and one of the most conservative Protestant denominations made waves in the religious and gay communities. Some praised the Southern Baptist Convention for softening its tone and message when discussing homosexuals. Critics complained that nothing really had changed.

But others who attended said a shift was taking place. In private meetings and one-on-one encounters during the week, Southern Baptists and gay-rights advocates said they established relationships they hope will carry both sides through a time of deep cultural change, particularly as the church navigates issues such as the increasing acceptance of same-sex ‘marriage’.

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  • pastoredsmith

    Homosexuality is a sickness. It most certainly is not a “biological” occurrence. Now, it has invaded the church and the church, as with most other sexual sins, looks the other way. We should love homosexuals to Jesus. He will cleanse their lifestyle and correct misguided farcical ideas about purity and God’s plan for sexuality. God help the SBC to stand up against this travesty.

    • Johnny Casas

      You are so full of crap. Your ignorance and intolerance are the real sickness.

      • pastoredsmith

        Calling sexual deviance “ignorance and intolerant” is healthy. Anyone who practices homosexuality is the same as adultery and sexual sin. Homosexuals these days are the intolerant crowd. Houston’s mayor for example.

      • thetruthdealer

        your butt bleeds because some man is having perverted sex with you and now you have to wear adult diapers you low life vermin

        • Johnny Casas

          LOL I hate to disappoint you but I dont engage in anal intercourse, simply not my thing and I am 50 and have never contracted a single STD in my life, so don’t pretend you know me. And calling me or anyone else a “lowlife vermin” isnt very Christ-like. You need to check yourself.

        • Kirk Lindsay

          THETRUTHDEALER you are way out of line! You are now for unjust judging and name calling GOD will judge you the same! What truth are you dealing when name calling?

      • James Grimes

        Good bye Johnny. You’re off the wall here and don’t belong on a Christian forum. Why are you here anyway?

        • Johnny Casas

          James, because I am a Christian as well, possibly a better one that you and your crazy kind . Who are YOU to tell me where I can post and not post ? Mind your own business and take care of your own life

          • James Grimes

            Congratulations. I’m glad to hear that you are a better Christian than I am.

          • OldArkie

            Some thinks very highly of self.

            Ro 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

            And they praise their self & not Jesus.

          • Republic1776

            Wow, saying you are a “better Christian” than someone else. Yep, sounds like something Jesus taught in the Bible and would encourage his followers to be like! Now, if we can get chapter and verse so the rest of us can follow suit!

          • Connie Strickland Walling

            It takes more than just saying you are a Christian. Read your bible. The Holy Bible. People do go to hell for living a lifestyle of homosexuality.

          • Herp Derp Hodor

            My business is LOL NVM you’re a faggot.

        • Meriam

          what a beautiful name “James and John-ny” this are the name of person Jesus choose to be a fishers of men.

      • Aaron Waters

        The only ignorance being spewed here is yours, even the LGBT community has admitted being homosexual isn’t something you’re born as, it’s learned in most cases and in others it’s a hormone imbalance that needs to be corrected, that’s proven science, go look it up and while you’re at it read the Bible, the instruction book for life.

      • Demopublicrat

        “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13
        God is intolerant, is he sick too?

    • http://www.christianvideo4free.com/ Peter Stone

      Amen!..Well said..

    • MNguy

      Romans chapter 1 explains that homosexuality comes after a living a lifestyle of rejecting and suppressing God’s truth. After continual rejection of God and suppression of His truth, a point comes where these people’s hearts then become darkened. They exchange God’s glory and truth for the many forms of idolatry and wickedness in the world. As a response, God then gives them over to dishonorable passions. These people then willingly give up natural relations (heterosexuality) for those that are contrary to nature (homosexuality). Also, because these people do not see fit to acknowledge God, God also gives them over to a debased mind. The nature of these people, in their state of a depraved mind, is then further described in Romans 1: they are filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, and ruthless. Though they know God’s decree that those who
      practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give hearty approval to those who practice them. …All from Romans chapter 1.

      Always keep in mind the fact that these people have been given over. Christians who have made sincere efforts to reach out to these people have made some interesting observations. These people want NOTHING to do with the Word of God. As a result, these are people who I would never want to be in positions of political power or significant influence. With their depraved mind and their heartless and ruthless nature (as described in Romans 1) nothing good will result.

      • Linda

        Thank you for stating the truth and backing it up with Scripture!

  • ATDM

    Why don’t they just rewrite the Bible while they are at it? Of course, people don’t go to hell for being homosexual, but homosexuality is still a sin. Changing the stance on it doesn’t help either the denomination or the “gay Christians.”

    • Ray Brockman

      homosexuality is not only Sin in Gods Eyes it`s an Abomination..

      • Lorraine

        What are the others He specially uses the word abomination for?

      • Johnny Casas

        yeah sure. Ur an idiot

        • pastoredsmith

          Johnny, name calling is the number one sign that one has nothing credible to say and resorts to slinging mud. If you wish to even appear credible, stop the name calling and you will get further in your debate.

          • Johnny Casas

            I call it as I see it – you beliefs are ignorant and downright idiotic. Sue me.

          • pastoredsmith

            You call others haters, yet it is hate that comes from you. You say you are a Christian, yet you hate the Bible, or at least “that part” that says that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination to God. You justify your sinful lifestyle while judging those who tell the truth. Some are harsh; their methodology of telling the truth is most assuredly in question as to being “hateful,” but their words are true when they say that homosexuality is an abomination. It is a sinful lifestyle choice, not a “birthright.”

    • Andrew Nielsen

      You cannot be queer and be a follower of Messiah….or hasn’t anyone read that you can’t mix light with darkness….

      II Co 6:14-18

      14 Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness? And what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 And what agreement has Messiah with Beliya‛al? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? 16 And what union has the Dwelling Place of Elohim with idols? For you are a Dwelling Place of the living Elohim, as Elohim has said, “I shall dwell in them and walk among them, and I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.” 17 Therefore, “Come out from among them and be separate, says יהוה, and do not touch what is unclean, and I shall receive you. 18 “And I shall be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me, says יהוה the Almighty.”

      • Johnny Casas

        full of shit, you are LOL

        • pastoredsmith

          You speak of the Bible Johnny. You are a blasphemous liar and false accuser. Wake up and smell the truth. Give up your hatred for those of us who tell you the truth.

          • Johnny Casas

            I DONT speak of the bible, only to say it isnt real. Get over it.

          • pastoredsmith

            Yes, Johnny. Andrew quoted the Bible. You speak of the Bible in your vulgar remarks about it. And, as to your claim that the Bible isn’t real, you will stand before God one day. I’ll bet you will change your tune at that time. Mockery gets you nowhere. It only shows your hatred for those who hold opposing views to yours. Why don’t you let go of your hate and discover the peace that God brings. You will have a better life doing things His way.

        • Herp Derp Hodor

          That’s your thing, right? Plunging for shit?
          faggot.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      ATDM what are you referring to as “changing the stance on it”? They still regard homoeroticism to be sinful. Changing their stance on sexual orientation is helpful. For decades, or longer, the church has told people who are same-sex attracted that God will cure those attractions. But now we know that in the majority of cases God doesnt remove the attractions. Unless the church changes its stance on that aspect, the world will regard us as fools who deny reality.

    • Scottie Payne

      Going to hell may depend on how gay any one pervert is. If you are just a little gay, maybe it’s not so bad? LOL
      REV 21:8

    • MNguy

      They have rewritten it. They mockingly refer to their altered bible as the “Queen James” version. You can order it from Amazon.com. See: http://www.amazon.com/The-Queen-James-Bible/dp/0615724531/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415123306&sr=8-1&keywords=gay+bible

  • mwhaar

    1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled , neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand . 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: FOR THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed , the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 KJV (EMPHASIS MINE)

    • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

      Want to know WHO that man of sin is? See this…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHdgPbAib8E

      • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

        The US media placed a gag order on the media to stop them reporting on the number of child molestation law suits? Where is the evidence for this? The video sounds like its 75% conspiracy theory. Surely there’s enough to deal with at the moment in terms of what we do know, to make it worth while talking about what we dont know.

        • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

          The “evidence” is the sure Word of God, because He prophesied this would happen before His Son returns to put an end this wickedness. It’s easy to call it conspiracy theory but I call it the sure word of prophecy. Who runs to courts? Rome. Look at the panel of Supreme court justices…Roman Catholics. Even all (well most) 501(c)3 churches are nothing more but little Vaticans…they have joined church with state, so when they are accused they can get away with such because look who is running the state. Every so often they will post a charge in the media to seem like the government is cracking down on it…to please the people (kinda like how Alex Jones runs his site and is allowed to attack the gov without a scratch…he works for them) Many cases of child molestation go unreported and are not discovered until decades later when these boys become men and are distressed and traumatized for life. And who is molesting them? RCC priests or pastors of one of her harlot daughters (i.e. Bishop Eddie Long) The RCC is spawned from the pits of hell and it is well known (though many “faithful” Catholics turn a blind eye)… they have a problem with touching little boys. See more facts here and the Scriptures to back it up:

          http://remnantofgod.org/near-the-end.htm#2

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            I recognise elements of truth amongst what you are saying, but you have effectively dodged my specific question. I certainly dont remember reading in the Bible that the US media placed a gag order on the media to stop them reporting on the number of child molestation law suits! I dont remember reading anything in the Bible about the US media!

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            I did answer the question. You are not going to read in the Scriptures that the US media placed a gag order on the media specifically, but you WILL read that Jesus said before He returns, the world be like it was in the days of Noah and Lot…extremely wicked and openly homosexual.

            Jesus said something similar by Hosea that the animals were going to be dying all over the planet before His return.

            “…the beasts of the
            field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea,
            the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.” Hosea 4:3

            This prophecy is being fulfilled in our day.

            http://www.remnantofgod.org/near-the-end.htm#7

            The Bible doesn’t have to give specifics, just a few Words can sum up a vast spectrum of decades. But back to my point…If you see who RUNS the US, the courts, and the law, then you will see who is the one behind the gag orders.

            Plenty of evidence here:

            http://www.remnantofgod.org/rccsex.htm

            And here:

            http://www.remnantofgod.org/nl040229.htm#UPDATES

            I don’t know if you are old enough to remember but in the early 80s when children were abducted, the media reported on all cases. This led to the amber alert system. But did that help? No. Child trafficking has skyrocketed, but how would you know? The media reports only a few at a time throughout the year. The truth is hidden. Same with the child molestation cases.

            And while you are skimming through the 300+ articles ask yourself, who benefits the most from gag orders placed on the media?

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            That is not a good answer to my specific question.

      • gatekeeper96740

        Now they are doing away with incest laws as well, you can marry your sister, brother, cousin whatever

  • Frank

    14 Blessed are those who wash their robes,5 so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. 15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
    Revelation 22

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9 – 6:10 ESV)

    That pastor is of the false prophetical spirit written down for our example from the OT.

    Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. Anyone who welcomes them shares in their wicked work.
    2John 9-11

    Nope. God didn’t stutter.

  • contendforthefaith

    won’t go to hell for being a homo ? You better read the list of people in 1 timothy chapter1 that are listed along with homos. Murderers, kidnappers, people who kill their parents. If that ain’t a group of people going to hell I don’t know what is

    • AddisonDewitt

      Apparently they think the Holy Spirit is a liar now

      • Demmi Greene

        Galatians 1
        …8/ ”But
        even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel
        contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9/ As
        we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you
        a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed! 10/ For
        am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to
        please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a
        bond-servant of Christ.”

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Amen! Our sins most certainly DO send us to Hell. And only the precious blood of Christ Jesus can save us from eternal separation from God.
        For the SB to say that sinful behavior does not send us to Hell is to cast the entire Bible (OT and NT) out the window. It is to spit on the Body of Christ, for if sin is not our enemy, why would we even need a Savior? Is this Jimmy Carter’s SB?!? If so, then I understand the descent into apostasy.
        And, to all the faithful Christians who are suffering from same sex attraction and yet leading Biblically chaste lifestyles, may God bless you abundantly in your struggles!

  • Demmi Greene

    ”But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who
    claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an
    idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such
    people.” 1 Corinthians 5:11

    • Natasha Youngblood

      I have quoted this many times before and you can bet I get seriously bashed for it.

    • Meriam

      I believe and I will stand what the Bible said.

  • Reason2012

    There’s no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Genesis 19:7-9 “And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    • https://www.facebook.com/KansasSightsSkies American1959

      Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to outline and copy what people need to know!

      • Reason2012

        Glad it was a blessing. Others need to hear the truth so they have a chance to turn away from the deception, repent and turn to Christ. At worst case when they find out the truth they’ll realize we were trying to help them.

    • Johnny Casas

      what an ignorant fool! GOD makes us gay, we are born the way we are and God loves us.

      • Gary

        You won’t be able to blame God for your choices. You can try, but when you die, you will find you were just fooling yourself.

        • Johnny Casas

          I can’t wait, Gary, Dont worry about me, worry about yourself. God bless you

      • Reason2012

        Hello. I mean no offense by preaching what God says on the subject. When many face God and realize they are now guilty before Him they’ll realize people were trying to do them a favor by risking their hatred in relaying the truth.

        Realize that many also try to claim God made them adulterers, or fornicators, or liars, or thieves, hence they were “born that way” too and God loves them. And yes, while we were yet sinners Christ died for us, showing His love – but if we reject that love and reject that offer of forgiveness, we remain spiritually dead and still headed towards that judgment.

        Not to mention adults continue of their own accord to permanently turn away from homosexuality, proving it is not genetic. Google ex-gay testimony and be flooded with a growing list of such testimonies, even from former die-hard activists.

        Do you want God’s forgiveness or not? If you do, whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. If we refuse to stop sinning, let alone pretend God is fine with it and believe the false claim that God doesn’t care if we do not repent, we are only fooling ourselves.

        Take care!

        • Johnny Casas

          Thats assuming you believe every word of the bible and in religion, which I myself and millions of others do not, You cannot speak for everyone. Worry about yourself and your won life.

          • Reason2012

            If promotion of homosexuality is made public and enforced legally, others are free to respond, just like you are free to respond to me. That’s what free speech is all about.

      • pastoredsmith

        Blaming God for your lifestyle choice does not make it true. There is absolutely no proof (scientifically or otherwise) that anyone is “born” homosexual. The “ignorant fool” in this discussion is the one who has fallen into the disillusion that one is born homosexual and blames God for their obvious choice.

        • Johnny Casas

          I HAVE proof, i am living proof that God made me this way, but of course your small mind isnt capable of comprehending that.

    • Mike Shipley
  • Gary

    This will turn out badly for the Southern Baptists. Whenever you try to “make nice” with reprobates, what always happens is that you end up compromising the truth. The homosexuals are not going to change. They are not going to renounce their perversion. They will remain steadfast perverts. But the Southern Baptists are very likely to adopt an attitude toward the sodomites of “live and let live”. “We disagree with what you do, but we recognize your right as American citizens to do it.” The reprobates will sense the obvious weakness and increase their demands. Rinse and repeat. BIG mistake by the Southern Baptists to have this meeting and to try to seek “understanding” with the sodomites.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Gary are you saying this will have bad results within Christian culture, or are you just talking about bad results for American culture?

      • Gary

        Probably both.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          What do you predict will be the bad results in Christian culture?

          • Gary

            Having looked at the website for this event, I already see the SB compromising. That means I have less respect for them as a group. There was no good reason to have that meeting. All it will lead to is more compromise with evil.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Are the SB less Christian now? What compromise is there?

            Surely there was a good reason to have that meeting. Some gay activists have been misrepresenting Christianity. Many Christians didnt know how to respond to that. The conference sought to address that.

          • Gary

            They, those Southern Baptists, are showing respect and acceptance for perverts. They let them try to justify homosexuality at the conference. That is not what Christians should be doing.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Huh? In all the reports Ive seen, it says the speakers said that homoeroticism is sinful.

            There has to be a certain level of respect for homosexuals though, otherwise how do we achieve Jesus’ call to love our neighbors? That’s what “love the sinner, hate the sin” is all about. IE indicating to others that homoeroticism is sinful, but still being kind to the homosexual, just as Christians should be kind to all sinners. That’s not compromise – it’s the gospel.

          • Gary

            “love the sinner, hate the sin” Where can I find that in the Bible? Where in the New Testament does it say to be kind to perverts??

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Where in the New Testament does it say to be mean to perverts?? Nowhere.

            But the Bible does teach to love your neighbor and to show compassion. The concept of “love the sinner, hate the sin” is perhaps best demonstrated in John 8. At the time, the punishment for sex with a non-spouse, was stoning. Adultery and perversion would have both been classified as sexual sin. How did Jesus respond when he came across an adulterer? Did he follow the law, and stone her? No. Did he run her out of town? No. He had compassion on her, told her to stop sinning, and was kind enough to prevent her from being stoned. His response was critical of sin but kind and respectful of her as a person.

          • Anita Johnston

            Jesus told her to stop sinning. He didn’t say “let’s sit down and dialogue about adultery.” That is the church’s responsibility toward sodomists and ALL sinners.

          • Gary

            I will leave it to you to be nice to perverts. I don’t wish to participate in that.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Good luck, Gary. If in future you do something unpopular, and people are still nice to you, please remember this, and reflect on what Jesus meant when he said to love your neighbor.

          • Gary

            My enemies are never nice to me. People who don’t know my beliefs, and would hate me if they knew, are sometimes nice, but that is only because they don’t know what I believe. I don’t believe God saves homosexuals. I believe they are only homosexual because God has given them up to that.

          • Nilo

            Humans change. And change don’t come at once. Christians knew that God would not accept homosexuality, and we, Christians, should not cease to hope, and do our part, for change to come to every homosexuals.

            Compromising does not mean giving up our values; it is for trying to reach others with humility and sincerity and the willingness to sacrifice for others to obtain the same hope that we have.

            To sweep that every homosexual is hopeless is not true. Some had given their testimonies. If you are not able to provide hope to homosexuals, don’t liken others of your inabilities.

          • Gary

            I have never seen a homosexual get right with God. And I don’t believe it ever happens.

          • Demmi Greene

            Amen. This was on the HP blog regardng this…just read the mindset within.

            ”While affirming Baptists like Lunn were welcomed to the conference, they were excluded from leading these conversations. There were no affirming speakers, and dissident voices were often lumped into categories like “the world” or “the culture” rather than being presented as fellow believers.”

            Its just one insidious goal to establish a stronghold of p.c. correctness over bible doctrine in the SBC. Where is the,..”and turn from their wicked ways….” in these ”affirming congregations? Does Christ not still deliver today?

          • Nilo

            Your personal experience does not define the whole of reality, and therefore not enough good reason to influence our decision making in regard to the whole of reality.

            Other factors surely plays in the decision making. But the simple goal is to be achieved, to seek a lost sheep; even if its only ONE sheep.

          • Phipps Mike

            and yet there are many Christians in here that profess they exist and also go against current acting homosexuals. You are NOT in sync with your brethren in here, Gary.

          • Arrie

            Hi Gary.
            I know men who used to be homosexual who now are not any longer because of the work of Christ in their hearts.
            I also know people who have been in the occult, who now are no longer because of Christ and what He has done for them.
            We must not limit Christ in our ideas over wrong and right, after all, I once was wrong in my ways also, yet through Christ I have been delivered, and He placed me on a rock.
            Strange though, the accounts of all these men involves someone of faith helping them through it, helping them to see and helping them to be freed. If I do not allow you to make me see my sin, or you are not there to help me see my sin, then how will I know I’m lost in that sin as that sin will simply rule over me until death. Think addictions, some people are so caught up in it, they do not know another way, life is that addiction. Does that make sense? Am I to just let that person be? Will I sit back and be comfy in my salvation sofa, not risk myself and my name, even though it is not the way of Christ?
            I ask these questions because I see myself in that sofa, and questions how much I have done today for His Kingdom, and His Way.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            True. Look at the thief on the Cross. Consider Saul the Christian terrorist or David the adulterer and murderer.. As long as you have breath in your body you have a hope to be among those redeemed. The hope for the homosexual…prayer. Pray for them. And if the homosexual still rejects the message of Truth, then they are literally paving their own path of destruction like any sinner.

            Proverbs 25:21-22 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink: For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the Lord shall reward thee.

            And what is that BREAD?

            John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

            …and that WATER?

            John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

            So give em Jesus…

          • cassady75

            God can save anyone, but they must want to be saved. I think the “give” is that we will coexist with sexual sinners in love so that we can minister to them…the “take” will be for those sexual sinners who confess their sin, accept Christ as their savior and be dead to their “old” sin nature. Is anyone perfect and live the rest of their life sin free? Show me one and I will call that person “prefected” but I do not believe many make it to the “perfected” state before death. That is what the bema seat judgement is for…to assign our rewards in heaven.

          • Gary

            I don’t believe homosexuals get saved because they won’t repent of their sins and believe the Gospel.

          • Phipps Mike

            “My enemies are never nice to me” how does two guys having sex with each other make them an “enemy” to you? YOU are NOT God. And furthermore, God doesn’t see homosexuals as “enemies” talk about perverting ideas!

          • Mary Lyons

            Mike, God says, to be friends with the world is an enemy of God. You also need to read Romans, Chapter One in the Bible.

          • Kirk Lindsay

            If he doesn’t save homosexuals he will save no one Gary not even you! Everyone has sinned but if you repent you can become born again! Saved become one of his family!

          • pastoredsmith

            It is not only possible, it is Scriptural to love your neighbor. However, it is also Scriptural that we tell the truth in love. If we pander to those who decide and declare that they know better than the Bible and wish to live their lives the way they want to even as they demand that the Church acquiesce to their demands, we have compromised the Scripture. This includes homosexuality, adultery, all other sexual sins (any sexual activity outside the bonds of Biblical marriage) and any other commandments given us in the Bible. To pander to a sinful lifestyle is to hate the sinner because we don’t give them the truth and they think it is OK to continue their deviant behavior. Yes, love the sinner….enough to tell them the truth in love. Pander to their demands? No. It is wrong. The SBC will pay for compromise as will any other Christian who follows in step.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Do you think the SBC has pandered to their demands or has compromised?

          • pastoredsmith

            Only time will answer that question, Tom.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Why is the topic of compromise raised, if it hasnt happened?

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg
          • Demmi Greene

            Our SB congregation is only one of several thousands nationally, and each one is mostly autonomous. When someone like this ”Mohler” makes such a comment, it gives the appearance that it has translated or has filtered down thru the entire SB assembly. I assure you that such a compromise will not. All Spiritual compromise is subtle and ”incremental”, and this one is no different. We were all forewarned by Paul, so how can we falter now By claiming ignorance to God on the day of judgment?? God forbid.

            1 Timothy 4:1/ But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2/ by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,…

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            What was this compromise specifically?

          • Demmi Greene

            Affirming churches stress the message of ”Christ’s love” w/o the need of Christ’s trans formative renewal of the soul or the redemptive work of the Holy Spirit. The compromise is to even attempt to ”entertain dialog” on whether the Church should welcome practicing homosexuals w/o meeting Christ’s commission to repent. This is heresy.

            2 Corinthians 5/17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

            Galatians 5/16/ But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17/ For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            “welcoming practicing homosexuals w/o meeting Christ’s commission to repent” is heresy. Welcoming dialogue on the validity of that, is contending for the gospel (Jude 1:3).

          • Demmi Greene

            Whoa,…Wait a second. Your point reads here as if you are inferring that Jude’s intent is for believers to ”contend for the faith”, by questioning the gospel’s own validity/authority. Do we now aspire to a Gospel that homosexuals need not repent???. Sweet Jesus!!!,..since when???

            Jude Is actually saying,.. ”the threat to the faith is coming from among some who are now ”inside the Church”. Alsos, Acts 20,… Paul warned them that after his departure “fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them” (v 29–30).

            The wolves who are perverting the faith are professing
            Christians. They are pastors/church leaders and seminary instructors.

            Jude taught that the faith has been ”once for all delivered to
            the saints”. God’s revelation concerning the doctrinal content of our faith is finished. The church is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Ephesians 2:20). Anyone who comes along and claims the ”doctrine of repentance” is now somehow ”subjective” is against Scripture.

          • Mike Shipley

            “Confusion of tongues” … I encourage people to learn the teachings through the lens of their original languages, rather than what a political committee said through a translation of a translation of a translation. The original is quite a bit more loving and all-inclusive than the sinmongering worldly power-seeking divisive and self-justifying doctrine of the King.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.”
            Luke 9:23.

            And just in case you forgot,…Christ does an awful lot of ”sin-mongering” in Revelation 21; I bet you-all no doubt call that,… ” the lens” of a ”translation of a committee translation” from the King’s third cousin, . Its Just a heads up, though.

            ”I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water witlhout cost from the spring of the water of life. 7/ Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8/ But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually
            immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            No, look that’s a misunderstanding. The fact is that many people today are saying that homosexuality is not sinful. There are even people in the church saying this. The SBC conference challenged that. It addressed that. If you refuse to dialogue with such people, then you are not contending for the faith.

          • Mike Shipley

            The desire for companionship is not simply of the flesh. It is also of the spirit … People who are blessed with stable, long-term pair bonds do not fit the criteria for adultery. God does not need permission from worldly sinmongers to unite any two individuals He chooses. Our commandment is to love them, and let our Father do His job.

          • Demmi Greene

            Your desire for companionship is being fulfilled thru inordinate affections, and worse, You are rewriting the Bible to suit your sexual attractions. Such ”Pride” goeth before destruction. Please Repent!!!.

            Why bother to claim Christianity as You certainly are not submitted to Christ”s word or his authority?

            ”People who are blessed with stable, long-term pair bonds do not fit the criteria for adultery….” Well,…. It doesnt fit the criteria for ”adultery” because It doesn’t fit the criteria for ”holy matrimony”.

            ”Our commandment is to love them, and let our Father do His job.” God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance” ….Romans 2:4.

            Galatians 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17/ For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.…

            ”Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality,
            impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.” Colosians 3:5.

          • Mary Lyons

            Mike Shipley also may want to read Romans, Chapter One to see what God has said. It is very clear and to the point. God doesn’t wink at sin!!

          • Michael Falsia

            Amen Brother. Churches answer to King Jesus not to an association! Neither to a denominational leader!

          • Linda

            Thank you, that’s the most honest and forthright answer that I have seen posted on here.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Im so pleased that the SBC is not pandering to their demands, and are not compromising.

          • pastoredsmith

            So am I, Tom. The concern over the issue is still alive…homosexuality is moving in and demanding that Christians accept their deviant lifestyle and calling those of us “haters” or “bigots” who stand on the Scriptural mandate that this activity or any other sexual activity outside of biblical marriage is sin. That is a tough thing to live with, but we must not compromise the Word of God.

          • Republic1776

            First of all it’s not about being popular. If that were the case Jesus wouldn’t have been nailed to a cross. Secondly, if playing nicey means entertaining evil. Well, Jesus spoke specifically against that.

            5 “If your brother sins, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. –
            Matthew 18:15-17

          • Mary Lyons

            “If your brother sins,” meaning a Christian brother. Unless you have been born again can you be called a brother or sister in Christ.

          • Republic1776

            Sure, I agree with that. However, the whole point of this verse is to not entertain sin in or with the church, but in fact take a stance and do something about. This is to make sure it doesn’t taint the Gospel by those who call themselves Christians, but then associate with sin as part of their lives as though it is not sin. Hence, “gay-Christian”.

          • Republic1776

            Tom>>Where in the New Testament does it say to be mean to perverts?? Nowhere.<<<<

            Not sure this verse below fits into the mold that you described of playing nicey, nicey. In fact, this was a New Testament command (which Jesus initially taught in the Gospels) of how to deal with someone who says they are a Christian, but is still not repenting from their sin. Yep, you'd probably see the Christ follower being "run out of town" for being obedient to this Biblical instruction and marginalized as a "bigot", "hateful", or "intolerant" for being obedience to God's word. Seems the norm these days. Accept the sin and attack those who are trying to purge the church of unrepented sin in order to not compromise the Gospel. However, Jesus said this would happen. Jesus said the world hated him because he testified that their works were evil and also warned his followers would recieve the same treatment. Makes sense.

            But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral (includes homosexuality) or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? EXPEL the wicked person from among you!!- 1 Corinthians 5:11

          • franklinb23

            As much as I like that passage, Tom, that passage is considered apocryphal. It was not found in the earliest manuscripts. In other words, most Biblical scholars believe that it was not written by “John” but was rather inserted later by a scribe.

          • Mary Lyons

            Tom you are taking Scripture out of context. Jesus addressed a woman taken in adultery, not homosexuality. Yes, sin is sin, however, God has already judged homosexuality, unless they repent and turn, they are going to hell. God always leaves the door open for repentance. You are trying to sugar coat homosexuality as something that churches should embrace and reach out to. God says FLEE.

            The homosexual community has an agenda, in case you haven’t noticed and that is seen all over America with the suing of florists, bakeries, Bed and Breakfast resorts, caterers, photographers, etc., to FORCE them to ACCEPT their lifestyle as normal, which God says it isn’t. God even says it is an abomination to Him. Once homosexuals get into the churches, then it will be a free for all, they will be demanding to be married by the pastor, wanting to be involved in children’s ministries, etc., and if these demands aren’t met then comes the lawsuits of discrimination of the “fairness” laws.

            NOPE!! God in His Word has given the church the instructions in dealing with this and it doesn’t include embracing sinful lifestyles to appease a perverted lifestyle. NOPE! a thousand times NOPE!! GOD HAS ALREADY JUDGED THEM!! Read Romans Chapter One, especially verses 17-32.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Mary, I agree with some of those statements. But Im not saying that churches should embrace homosexual sin. I am saying that loving your neighbor includes loving your gay neighbor and your divorced neighbor and your jealous neighbor and all your neighbors.

            There is a difference between loving someone and affirming their sin. Your fears will only become reality if the church affirms the sin. But the lawsuits will happen irrespective. Keeping them out of church will probably only increase the lawsuits.

          • franklinb23

            So how do you treat those who reject Jesus (i.e., Jews, etc) or who belong to “idolatrous” faiths? Are you as nasty to them?

            For some reason, I’m doubting it. You religious fanatics are rarely consistent in your convictions.

    • franklinb23

      Gary, out of 1700 comments you’ve made, almost ALL of them refer to homosexuality. Don’t you find that a bit odd?

      I might find fat people repellent, but you don’t see me leaving nasty comments on the sites for chubby chasers.

      • Wrongway

        how judgmental

    • Linda

      This is how the Devil gets a toehold and then takes a denomination down….remember what he said, that there will be a great falling away just before his return…I think that’s what we are seeing now.

    • Kirk Lindsay

      Gary: Do you love the sinner and hate the sin at all? Or every gay person you run into you call a Sodomite so you don’t have to get to know any first hand and maybe build a relationship with. Go into the world and preach the gospel not go into the world label and jump into the holy huddle!

      • Wrongway

        How intolerant

  • Nan Perkins

    We must show love for gays but still hold tight to what the Bible says. Homosexuality is not Godly. We must love the sinner and hate the sin.

    • Gary

      Why? Why should we have anything to do with homosexuals?

      • Johnny Casas

        Because u might have a gay child or grandchild one day and it is Christ-like to love & accept them unconditionally. You really aren’t much of a Christian, are you?

        • Gary

          You can’t love and accept someone unconditionally and still oppose their behavior. And you can’t be a Christian and accept sexual perversion.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Jesus loved people and still opposed their behaviour. It’s possible. Are you saying that if your child sins, you will stop loving them?

          • Gary

            It is possible to love someone and oppose their behavior. But you cannot accept someone unconditionally without also accepting their behavior.

          • pastoredsmith

            That is the dumbest thing I’ve heard yet, Gary. “You can’t love and accept someone unconditionally and still oppose their behavior?” That is pathetic! If your statement is true, then God is a liar because He commanded us to love our neighbor AND our enemies! So, we can’t oppose their bad behavior and still love them? What about our kids? Let me try to explain. If your house was on fire, and you and I were in a restaurant together eating dinner. I got the text and you didn’t. But, since you and I don’t agree about anything at all and we treat each other as you suggest, would it be wrong that I kept the information to myself and let you discover on your own that your house was burning down? You would never believe me if later on we reconciled our differences and I told you that I love you as a brother, would you? After all, when you needed me the most, I deliberately kept my mouth shut about the truth. It is not only absolutely possible to love someone unconditionally while opposing their lifestyle, it is Scriptural. If you ever hope to win someone to Christ, you need to ditch that mentality.

          • Gary

            If you accept someone, without condition, you are accepting everything they choose to do. Unconditionally means without condition. You can love someone, but disagree with what they do. Loving someone does not have to mean being friends with them. Some people are unacceptable to have as friends. Would you be friends with a known pedophile? “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” Ephesians 5:11

          • pastoredsmith

            Gary, again, I say, that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. You are saying that Jesus loving the woman at the well unconditionally was accepting her sin? No, it doesn’t mean that you accept all they do if you accept them unconditionally. It means you accept THEM, not their actions. Do you accept every single action of your spouse or child or anyone else you love dearly? Of course not. The father of the prodigal son loved his son unconditionally, yet he never approved of his son’s actions. Your interpretation of Ephesians 5:11 is disgusting! Paul intended that we not have “fellowship” with them….to be close friends and “run in the same circle” with them; not shun them and have nothing to do with them. An acquaintance is different than a “close friend.” You will reach many more people for Christ by loving them than by hating them because they are a sinner.

          • Gary

            Our theologies differ in several ways. You seem to believe that sodomites can be saved. I don’t believe that. I don’t believe an “out and proud” sodomite will ever repent of their sins. No repentance means no salvation. When I encounter homosexuals, or their enablers, I either ignore them, or I rebuke them. I never try to persuade them to repent and believe the gospel because I don’t believe they will. And I regard homosexual advocates as being as wicked and reprobate as the homosexuals they promote. Thankfully, I have nobody like that among family or friends, so I am not burdened by someone I care about being one of those.

          • pastoredsmith

            Sounds like Westboro “Baptist Church” “theology” to me; a very false set of philosophical beliefs. Any sinner can be saved right up until death according to the Bible. I reject the “God hates….” sinners philosophy. It is a damnable heresy. And, since you have nobody in your family who is a damnable sinner, you are spared the pain of a lifetime. There is hope for any sinner to be saved any time so long as they have the mind to repent. Sorry, we are on opposite sides of the fence.

          • Gary

            “Any sinner can be saved right up until death according to the Bible.” Would you reference where I can read that in the Bible? And if you cannot, then would you admit that your statement is without merit? I said there was no one among my friends and family who is a homosexual, or homosexual enabler. I did not say there is no one who is a sinner in need of salvation. You should stop trying to claim I said what I didn’t.

          • KenS

            The thief on the cross is the perfect example of being saved right before death.

          • Phipps Mike

            Gary….”The CEO’s remarks led to Robert Breaud, an ex-homosexual turned evangelist, to dump his daily dose of Starbucks, declaring it to be an “ungodly, God-hating position.” Robert shared his testimony of being set free from homosexuality, who now is alive in Christ for over 20 years.”

            source: http://christiannews.net/2014/11/02/starbucks-releases-first-homosexual-themed-commercial-featuring-crossdressers/

            homosexual turned Evangelist discredits your statement of: “I don’t believe an “out and proud” sodomite will ever repent of their sins.”

            this is only one example of hundreds.

          • Gary

            Lots of people claim lots of things. I am not convinced.

          • Phipps Mike

            once again, you seem personal about it, So you are saying that ANYBODY can change EXCEPT for homosexuals? THAT’S personal, you cant get out of this one.

          • Gary

            No. I am saying that homosexuals won’t repent of their sins. But lots of heterosexuals won’t either.

          • Phipps Mike

            the thing is, by saying it that way, you are implying that NO homosexual ever repents. There is absolutely NO WAY any person on this planet could have that knowledge, Are you omnipresent like God so that you can see what EVERY SINGLE homosexual on this planet is doing and do it 24/7 365 days a year? I think not. That’s why stereotypes are ridiculous. If people could articulate better, it wouldn’t be like pulling teeth to get a point across. How about this?: “in my experience, most of the homosexuals I know or have seen/met, I find that most of them don’t feel what they are doing is a sin and so wont repent. ”
            Seem more feasible?

          • KenS

            You may find yourself regretting your decision of ignoring them at the Judgment seat of Christ when Jesus rebukes you for your sins of omission for not witnessing these lost souls and therefore condemning them to hell.

          • Phipps Mike

            “And you can’t be a Christian and accept sexual perversion.”
            you can be a Christian and do nothing about it, though, (prayer of serenity). “Accept” in that passage really means to just move on and stop fighting.

          • Gary

            Christians are instructed in the New Testament to oppose evil. I understand that you don’t like that.

          • Phipps Mike

            Gary, I have no problem with people opposing so long as they don’t do an ACTION against somebody that is a complete stranger to themselves. AKA it is NOBODY’S business what 2 guys do in the privacy of their OWN lives. God does NOT give permission to try and dictate strangers lives. I think you are putting too much into what “opposing” entails.

          • Gary

            What ACTION am I doing?

          • Phipps Mike

            I guess what you ARE doing is completely wrong in Gods eyes:

            “And I regard homosexual advocates as being as wicked and reprobate as the homosexuals they promote.”

            Do you know anything about personal responsibility? Only the SINNER is to blame, NOT the enabler. Why do you think the sinner goes to jail and not the enabler?

            Enabling is NOT a sin. Now I have to wonder if you are a detestable Catholic. (Catholics are cuckoo-bird).

            Every time I start to get faith back in you, Gary, you say something even MORE repulsive.

            People who take NO ACTION are NOT enablers. Any professional psychiatrist will tell you that.

            Once again, I will ask, whats in all of this for you? you stated earlier its only because God is against it, yet God isn’t against what YOU profess is an enabler. So it looks again like it IS a personal vendetta. Did you get molested by a male when you were a kid or something?

          • Gary

            Encouraging people to sin is not immoral? You should read Romans chapter one.
            No, I have never been molested.

          • Phipps Mike

            I think you MISSED my point, Gary. If somebody tells you to jump off a bridge…will you? and if you do, who is to blame? of course YOURSELF. Because YOU did the action. Sin applies the same way. I am more concerned though that you got THIS mostly from my last reply: “People who take NO ACTION are NOT enablers.”
            If you don’t vote against a politician you don’t like, it doesn’t make you an enabler for that politicians issues. Then you add in Apathy. Apathy is NOT a sin.

          • Gary

            Enablers and supporters are not apathetic. They are actively encouraging and supporting those who do wrong. Romans 1:32

          • Phipps Mike

            did you even read what I wrote? “People who take NO ACTION are NOT enablers” THEY are the ones who are apathetic, Gary.

          • Kirk Lindsay

            you must struggle with a sexual sin since you are making such a big deal of homosexuals not repenting! People who often advocate punishment to be severe of others often struggle with the same thing or something similar in their lives…

        • pastoredsmith

          If I truly love my child or grandchild, I will tell them the truth instead of pandering to their childish and selfish demands. The truth is the only thing that will set you free. You are obviously, by your own judgmentalism, a very insecure and unhappy person. You pass judgment where none is needed and hate anyone who disagrees with you. I pray that God will open your eyes to the truth. Only the TRUTH will set you free.

          • Phipps Mike

            thanks for pointing out that hate isn’t what God suggests but you should also stop lying about that homosexuality is not inborn, We already covered that from the article that ADMITTED here about it that it has GENETIC predispositions. Its no different than alcoholism. You really must get it into your noggin that it is physically IMPOSSIBLE to MANUFACTURE attraction.

          • pastoredsmith

            Mike, you are as disillusioned as you are just wrong….about a many things. 1) I didn’t comment on any article that ADMITTED that homosexuality is genetic. The only comments I made are here on this website, and there has been no such article. In fact, I listed many different studies, some done by GAY people that affirmed that there is no connection at all between genetics and the CHOICE to be homosexual. It is NOT genetic and has never been. But, you already know that. You simply refuse to let go of that lie. 2) Alcoholism only becomes a disease AFTER a person becomes an alcoholic and refuses treatment for a very long time. An alcoholic is not “born with a disease.” It BECOMES a disease when the body becomes so dependent on alcohol that it can’t survive without it after multiple YEARS of abusive drinking. Alcoholism has NOTHING to do with homosexuality, except that they both are addictive after caving into the vice that started the whole thing. 3) It is you with the delusion that homosexuals don’t CHOOSE their homosexuality. The Bible clearly says it, and that is the only truth that matters. What I “admitted to” is that Christians must present that to homosexuals in a loving manner, much the same as presenting the truth to an adulterer.

          • Phipps Mike

            “and there has been no
            such article”

            http://christiannews.net/2014/06/23/is-the-gay-gene-a-myth-scientists-say-homosexuality-impossible-to-determine-by-dna/

            Don’t let the name of the article fool you, this is an
            excerpt FROM that same article:

            “Though the scientists
            maintained that genetics do at least partly influence sexual orientation, these
            recent findings undermine the belief that homosexuality is predetermined.
            Environmental factors, such as the absence of a father or an unhealthy domestic
            upbringing, might play significant roles.”

            Notice: ….”at least PARTLY influence sexual
            orientation. Then it also says” unhealthy domestic upbringing, MIGHT play significant
            roles.”

            So to conclude, it is saying
            that genetics DO and that upbringing, MIGHT. “Do” means it is SO. “might” means
            it is questionable.

            You lose, Ed.

            http://alcoholrehab.com/addiction-articles/genetics-and-environment-in-addiction/

            “Genetic
            Influences on Addiction

            Studies have found
            that genes are responsible for a significant part of the probability that
            someone will become addicted to any kind of substance or behavior. It should be
            noted that there is no such thing as a gene for alcoholism or a gene for
            cocaine addiction. Numerous genes are involved in substance addiction.

            While genetic
            influences are generally significant factors in addiction, they
            play a larger role in addiction to some substances or behaviors. Genetic
            influences appear to account for about half the risk of becoming an alcoholic,
            though the genetic link seems to be stronger between fathers and sons. Addiction to cocaine or
            heroin appears to be more influenced by genetics than
            alcoholism, while addiction to marijuana appears
            to be less so.”

            Once again, Ed….YOU LOSE.

            Both attraction to the
            same sex AND alcoholism can be attributed to genetic factors.

            “ It
            is you with the delusion that homosexuals don’t CHOOSE their homosexuality. The
            Bible clearly says it, “

            NO IT DOES
            NOT. Produce the verse or STFU.

          • pastoredsmith

            You are an idiot and a liar, Mike. 1) The article also said, “The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay,”
            2) “The authors of “Homosexuality as a consequence of epigenetically canalized sexual development,” published this month in The Quarterly Review of Biology, call the occurrence of homosexuality in either animals or humans “perplexing.” They write, “Homosexuality is frequently considered to be an unusual phenotype because it represents an evolutionary enigma—a trait that is expected to reduce Darwinian fitness, yet it persists at substantial frequency across many different (possibly all) human populations.”2 In other words, homosexual behavior does not promote the production of similar offspring, since by its very nature it cannot produce any offspring at all.”

            3) For every “study” that claims to “prove” that genetics have anything to do with “homosexuality being genetic,” there is a credible study to prove otherwise. Including several done by gay people who admit that homosexuality is a choice, not a genetic “I can’t help who I am” consequence.
            Homosexuals choose their lifestyle just as adulterers do. It would never be commanded that we live pure lifestyles in the Bible if it was genetic.
            Give it up Mike. You can’t disprove the Bible.

          • Phipps Mike

            “The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay”

            I guess you nor them know the difference between somebody who TRIES homosexuality and one who already IS homosexual. If a straight male does a homosexual act, he is NOT a homosexual. A homosexual is NATURALLY ATTRACTED to his own sex. That’s the part that IS genetically INFLUENCED. You want to take just the parts that YOU want from the article but yet say the part I cite is wrong? What a tool you are. All people have a choice whether or not to act out on their attraction, but they DON’T HAVE THE CHOICE ON WHO THEY ARE ATTRACTED TO. That is the inborn part for those of you who are mentally challenged.

            So YOU have the choice to not act out on YOUR desires for women,m as well, Ed. But we know you wont refuse.

            “In other words, homosexual behavior does not promote the production of similar offspring, since by its very nature it cannot produce any offspring at all”

            who said it could? Seriously Ed. marriage is NOT for the sole purpose of reproduction. It is for two people who want to commit to JUST EACH OTHER for life. It has NOTHING to do with reproduction. There are TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET right now. Yet you fundamentalists think having babies is a clown car. People should STOP having babies for about another 20 years to let our natural resources catch up with us.

            You have failed to produce a verse saying that homosexuality is not inborn.

            You also failed to read the TITLE closely. The title suggests that there is no way to PROVE and that goes EITHER way.
            There is no gay gene, but as I eloquently posted that it does say there are genetic FACTORS involved (just like with alcoholism) you want to make it a my source is better than yours type argument. If you had ANY common sense, you would KNOW that attraction is NOT manufactured, that is a FACT. Do you CHOOSE to be attracted to women. or is it natural? if its not natural, than YOU might be a homo yourself.
            I don’t need to disprove the Bible when there is no verse saying it isn’t inborn. I don’t have to give up. Is it true that most black men who profess to be wise are actually pseudo intellectuals? you make me ask myself that when you have no common sense that attraction is ALL NATURAL. Acting on it is not what I am debating on here, YOU ARE.

          • pastoredsmith

            I am interested in one thing. The truth. The Bible is the only source of truth. You ignore it, try to skirt it by using man-made theories to justify the sinful lifestyle of homosexuality. As long as you are there, we have no more to talk about. I do pray you open your eyes to the truth and let go of your delusion. Have a nice day.

          • Phipps Mike

            The only thing is that we have the truth before us, physically in the here and now, WE are both human. we BOTH know inherently that we don’t choose who we are attracted to. Based on that info alone, It would take a complete moron to think that a male can just choose to be attracted to the same sex when it grosses out ANY heterosexual man to even try that themselves. To deny the knowledge you have as BEING a human vs whats written in a book is insanity. That’s worse than being gullible. So if the Bible says that you don’t see the sky as ever looking blue..would you believe that as well? If you did….INSANITY.
            You keep using the word “lifestyle”. Having an attraction to the same sex is NOT a lifestyle. A lifestyle is an ACTION. Once again, I wasn’t talking about action, Of COURSE actions are a choice.
            You are agreeing to disagree. Fine, just don’t step in between me and other commentators if you want me to honor your agreeing to disagree status.

          • pastoredsmith

            I do not agree to disagree when it comes to the Bible. There can be no compromise there. As to commenting, you jumped in on my comment, not vice versa. Don’t accuse me when you started the dialogue. However, I won’t promise not to reply when you say something stupid, as I have done in the past.
            I stand for the truth of the Bible.
            If I understand what you said in your last comment about “attraction” not being the same as acting on it, I can agree to a point. Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman as to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her in his heart already. The best I understand that comment, we all have temptations. We all are all in line to be devoured by our enemy who roams about seeking whom he may devour. But, only in giving in to that temptation does it become a sin. And, the definition of “giving in to it” is when we begin to plot and plan how we can do this without getting caught. We act on the lustful thought with intentions of doing it. If we can agree on that, we might have a tiny piece of common ground. If not, we stand apart on the issue.
            Homosexuality is the act of caving in to temptation, and that is what I stand firmly against. If a person claims to have homosexual attractions is nothing more than a temptation. It is NOT a biological attraction because that would mean God created sinners, and he plainly says that all sin comes from temptation and caving in to it.
            Have a nice day.

          • Phipps Mike

            I forgot that I initiated this, It was because I think its stupid for anybody to say that attraction is manufactured. I guess you were speaking more about the actions of that attraction after i read this: “If I understand what you said in your last comment about “attraction” not being the same as acting on it, I can agree to a point.”

            “Jesus said that if a man looks on a woman as to lust after her, he has committed adultery with her in his heart already. The best I understand that comment, we all have temptations.”

            ok, this is where it gets sticky. I was raised a Baptist Protestant (not Southern). My church taught that the THOUGHT is NOT a sin, Only an ACTION is a sin. That makes sense because God gave us free will which means he KNEW that we cant CONTROL our initial thoughts, but we can CORRECT them.

            I hate Catholics because they think the thought is a sin, Now THAT is stupidity.

            I think what the scripture really means is that “lust after her” is more an actual INTENTION, rather than just the attraction. Then “intent” becomes an action and thereby makes it a sin.

            ” We act on the lustful thought with intentions of doing it. If we can agree on that, we might have a tiny piece of common ground.”

            then we do have common ground. Thanks for being honest instead of resentful.

          • pastoredsmith

            My intent is not to be resentful. I do find myself the target of people who hate me for my viewpoint because I am a dedicated Christian and believe every word of the infallible Bible. I usually try to explain myself scientifically because it seems to get further with people who think they “just can’t help it” because they are in a homosexual lifestyle and demand that I accept that. I cannot accept that a homosexual lifestyle of sex outside of marriage in any form or fashion is right and acceptable. God did that. He invented sex, and He had some definite ideas about how we were to use it. His plan is always best. Hatred is for those who don’t know Christ. Not for me. My intent is to educate. Not to condemn. God will do that if it is needed and when it is needed.

          • Johnny Casas

            Amen Mike! I couldn’t have said it better. It’s a sad fact that religious fanaticism and logic don’t go together. The bible is not the word of God, just because a few men who wrote it claim it is. It only takes a little bit of our God-given common sense to realize that.

          • Kirk Lindsay

            Johnny Casas where would we get our knowledge of GOD from or his character or his salvation it comes from reading the bible

          • Herp Derp Hodor

            Why even claim to be a Christian (which isn’t true, because you’re a faggot) if you don’t believe a single thing the bible says? Huh fag????

  • Demmi Greene

    Albert Mohler, stalwart head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary,…must thinks he speaks for every SB Church. We are autonomous,…and thank God for it.

  • Scottie Payne

    Then suddenly, a mighty angel picked up a boulder shaped like a huge Mill

    Stone, and threw it into The

    *Atlantic Ocean,*

    and cried mightily with a loud voice saying!!

    Just as I have thrown away this stone, the great city of Babylon will be thrown down with violence , and shall never be found again!!!

    The Book Of Revelation, Chapter 18 verse 21

    FIRST ASTEROID OF 2014 HITS OVER THE ATLANTIC OCEAN

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OJjrr95Krc

    • Bolvon72

      nice edit, sea=ocean?

  • lee metzger

    Homosexuality is a denial of God’s plan for the man and woman in marriage. Pure and simple, it is a denial of God’s original mandate for marriage in the OT, and affirmed in the NT by Jesus in the book of Matthew. When any church lets the culture dictate its dogman, that church’s demise is assured. I do hope the Southern Baptists realize how what was said at this conference will be interpreted in a very positive light overall by the gay community, who as an aside, could care less about marriage but are merely using it as a front to galvanize public affirmation of their sexual orientation.

    • Gary

      Some Southern Baptist might realize that, but a lot of them won’t. The ones who realize it were not at the meeting.

  • AddisonDewitt

    America the mighty nation that she is , is not even mentioned in End Times Bible Prophecy…all the other players are very clear-Israel, Iran, China, Russia….why no America. Some would argue the Rapture, however I would argue that God Almighty has let us be destroyed by our enemies in one form or another ( or by allowing a killer pestilence etc)…due to our overall rejection of Him and our embrace of perversion….how are we any better then Sodom and Gomorrah….

  • Johnny Casas

    Such ignorance. SMH

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Education is the answer. There is a mass lack of Bible knowledge.

      • Bolvon72

        You bet, we need more atheists.

    • Herp Derp Hodor

      SMD.
      faggot.

  • Mary Kilbride

    This pastor and many others today are getting away from the Word of God which is very clear. No. You won’t go to hell for being a homosexual. What the problem would be is if you are an active homosexual who is unrepent for living a life that God has said is an abomination to Him. Please don’t lead people astray in your attempt to be so all accepting. Much to your surprise, Jesus didn’t approve of everything…. He forgave and then said, “GO AND SIN NO MORE”…. repent and turn around. You who are so called pastors and leaders who are doing this to win a popularity contest? You need to repent also….. just as I need to repent of my various sins and go the other way. God has not changed. His Word is the same today as yesterday and will be tomorrow.

  • bella

    1 Corinthians 6:9,10 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Be not deceived. Neither fornicators ,nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves ,nor covetous,nor drunkards,nor revilers ,nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God.

  • Jeff Conner

    Ok Im southern Baptist SOMEONE PLEASE FIND ME A DENOMINATION THAT RECOGNIZES SALVATION AND HAS A SPINE THAT SAYS GAY IS WRONG AND SO IS GAY MARRIAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg
    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Southern Baptists still believe that homoeroticism and gay marriage are sinful. SB’s are just increasingly acknowledging that homosexual temptation is just one of all the other fairly ‘normal’ sins that human beings experience.

      • Gary

        Homosexuality is perversion. It is not normal.

        • Phipps Mike

          Gary, you already ruined the facade that you are against homosexuals for Biblical purposes. Its PERSONAL for you. Don’t profess that its anything BUT hatred. You cant stand homos for your OWN purposes. Stop pretending. Many things are not normal, Its not normal to not like chocolate. Should we hate those people who don’t like chocolate? “Normal” just means that the status quo does it. I can handle those who REALLY are only against it for Biblical purposes, but anybody that PERSONALLY hates them are nothing but jackasses!

          • Gary

            The Bible says homosexuality is unnatural (Romans 1:26,27). If God was not against homosexuals, then I would have no reason to be against them.

          • Phipps Mike

            yes, unnatural. different than “not normal”.

            Norms are man made, not nature made. The ACT of homosexuality is not natural based on the plumbing, but the attraction IS natural. To act on it is the question.

            ‘then I would have no reason to be against them.’

            that”s refreshing to see. I apologize for thinking it was personal for you. It just seems with the vehemence in which you deliver your opposition is equal to personal hatred of Gays.
            I have to ask…whats the reward for you to oppose?
            You do know that its NOT salvation, right? Its not what you DO that gets you salvation, contrary to millions of people’s ideas. God has selected who he is going to save no matter what you do . Its almost entertaining watching the doomsayer goofballs thinking that if they can stop homosexuality that God will let us stay here longer without tribulations. God is going to keep the original time he had planned for that. There is no such thing as an extension.

          • Gary

            I oppose homosexuals because God does. It is the right thing to do. They contribute to the immorality of society, as does the acceptance of them. I understand that opposing homosexuals does not mean my salvation and that it will not change God’s plans for the future.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” They contribute to the immorality of society”
            that sounds pretty robotic and sheeple-like.
            Immorality includes EVERY sin committed by EVERY person. How is homosexuality any different? Its not. ALL SINS are equivalent. I’m glad you are not a kooky doomsayer though. We don’t need any more Fred Phelps types around.

          • Gary

            But I am a doomsayer. God is going to soon pour out His wrath on this planet and its inhabitants for their wickedness. God always punishes the unrighteous. All get punished after this life, and some reap some of the wages of their sins in this life too.

          • Phipps Mike

            no, you are not a doomsayer..you said “I understand that opposing homosexuals does not mean my salvation and that it will not change God’s plans for the future.” a doomsayer believes that it WOULD change his plans. However, you ARE WRONG about the “soon” part. Read Revelations, it says NO MAN WILL KNOW when tribulations is. If every person on this planet magically turned homosexual tomorrow, God would NOT come ANY sooner. Our actions have ZERO to do with when tribulations happen. Anybody thinking that what we do, matters, is a lunatic.

          • Johnny Casas

            How do you know what God opposes and doesnt? Oh yeah, the bible, a 3 thousand year old book written by monks and sheepherders claiming that God spoke to them.

          • Gary

            Sheepherders. prophets, intellectuals, physicians, fishermen, kings, princes, etc.. The Bible is what Christians base their beliefs on. It is how we tell fact from fiction.

          • Herp Derp Hodor

            Claims to be a Christian… Shits on what he doesn’t even acknowledge to be the word of God at every given opportunity (Scumbag Fag)

          • Johnny Casas

            Being left-handed is also considered “unnatural” and not the norm. So is being born without limbs or blind. Yet, we are all created by God this way for a reason.

          • Gary

            Being left-handed is not unnatural. And God gives people up to homosexuality for His own reasons. But that does not mean homosexuality is moral.

          • KenS

            God is not against anyone, He is against the sin, there is a difference, and he will punish the unrepentant sinner because He is Holy

    • Bolvon72

      Grab a handful of snakes and go pentecostal, they are plenty backwards for ya.

    • Johnny Casas

      Westboro baptist Chruch – go join that cult

    • KenS

      You need to find yourself an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church to attend

  • gatekeeper96740

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,

    God gave them over to a reprobate mind,

    to do those things which are not convenient;Being filled with all
    unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
    covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
    malignity; whisperers,Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud,
    boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,Without
    understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable,
    unmerciful:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such
    things are
    worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do
    them.

    Yeah sounds like modern day America…………….God’s judgement come to pass and it will only get worse………..Oh Bye the way there is no GAY GENE

  • Neiman

    The Great Whore, the False Prophet, which is the target of God’s wrath is apostate Christianity. The true End Times Church will not be part of organized religion, it will be individual believers sold out to Christ. The organized Church is now mostly part of that apostate Church.
    One more thing, there are many scripture verses which tell us that God hates sin and He especially hates sexual immorality, of all kinds, which He calls idolatry, homosexuality is just the most prominent and the most extreme form of sexual sin, which is destroying the Church.

  • thetruthdealer

    im all for homosexual suicide

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Hey, this is a Christian site!

    • Bolvon72

      You first snapperhead.

  • Gary

    The people who ran this conference apparently believe it is possible to be a “gay Christian”. If you look at the website for the conference, you can see that. But they are wrong. Christianity is completely incompatible with homosexuality. You cannot be a homosexual and a Christian.

  • Henry Dandria

    “Although they have known the ordinance of God ,they have not understood that those who. practice such things are deserving of death. And not only do they do these things but they applaud others doing them.” ROMANS 1.32.

  • Sherry

    Homosexuality is a sin and if you stay in this sin and do not repent you will perish in it , the word of God is clear, no matter what man says or trys to justify God has spoken on this sin as with any sin. And those who try to change his word to feed itching ears will perish with them for they have made themselves above God. We do not conform to the world but accept Christ and follow the word of God. Let no wolf in sheeps clothing deceive you. The word of God is over anything any false man will say to lead many to perish. You will not tell God he is intolerant or a bigot for he holds your soul and he has spoken . You either follow him or the world.

  • Sherry

    There seems to be some conflict in reporting as here the Southern Baptists stand up to show it is sin and you must repent of it. http://www.al.com/living/index.ssf/2014/10/southern_baptist_leaders_say_g.html

  • Arrie

    I find it interesting how this year the LGBT rights group have sought, what is being prompted as “recognition of their self and ways”, this blatant attack against Christianity to change to accommodate this sexual inclination that has been oppressed for so long.
    The sole purpose seem to be the destruction of Christian morals and way of life, and sadly when Christians are unwilling to move from this stand point which is founded on the Word of God, name calling seems to be the next best option, to label those who will not acknowledge this sexual stance as all sorts of political incorrect terms and slogans and even drag them to court as we have recently seen.
    This will not do, followers of Christ will hold to the Word of God, that same Word that will judge one day. You cannot force a Christian against what is Christ and the Word of God – it will never work, so if you choose to be gay, then expect that Christians cannot accept it because God Almighty says so.
    Sadly in this current atmosphere of lawlessness, Christians will be up for an increasingly tough time and persecution, but Christ said it would come.
    I also believe this is the arrival of an era by design where the great fall away will take place.
    Men and woman of YHVH – stand strong and run this difficult race to lay hold of the prise which is eternal life in the new city of God our creator. Use this zero life to prepare for your infinite life with King Yeshua.

  • ProudVeteran

    Sexual Immorality is still Sexual Immorality no matter the preference. Adultery, Homosexual, Rape, Child Molestation, Bestiality they are all immoral in Gods eyes. So therefore a Sin is a Sin, All Christians (no matter what the sin), must use Gods strength and forgiveness to over come the temptation.
    When you try to make a lifestyle of sin (such as homosexual relationships) socially acceptable with in the Christian Church/Community, then you are breaking Gods Holy Laws. Younger children will see this in their Christian lives as acceptable behavior. When it is actually (Just for example) just like allowing a drunken person into Gods house of worship every Sunday and accept his drunkenness during worship hours.
    Repentance is required of every believer that sins, for what ever sin. God requires repentance in order to receive forgiveness through our Lord Jesus Christ. Blood. But if a person continues with a sinful life style and goes to church on Sunday with out repentance, he can poison others in the congregation by their example alone.
    Other than Blasphemy all sins can be forgiven, through the blood of the lamb of God, Our Lord Jesus Christ. If we truly repent and turn from that sin or sinful lifestyle. You can not have two masters.

    • KenS

      You need to be mindful of your choice of words, it is only the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that cannot be forgiven

  • GRTSDCA

    This will take them down the same road as the “Methodist, United Church of Christ and other denominations that compromise scripture. It’s that simple…

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

    Looks like the Baptist have already joined with Rome…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl9yM7mT0Wc&feature=autoshare

    • Gary

      Not all of us.

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

        Really?

        “The Bible says, Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic church says, No! By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day, and command you to keep the first day of the week. And lo, the entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic church!” Father Enright, C.S.S.R. of the Redemptoral College, Kansas City, History of the Sabbath, p. 802

        They have already joined with Rome, and they preach many of her damnable heresies like seven year trib, secret rapture, eternal life in hellfire in the presence of Satan (declaring that satan is omnipresent), trinity (versus the Truth of the Godhead), futuristic antichrist superbeing, physical Israel is still God’s chosen people… just to name a few. The Bible is clear..the devil “which deceiveth the whole world (Rev 12:9)” has all churches under his deceptions…except those that “that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” (Rev 14:12) Those that preach the Law of God (The Ten Commandments) abolished or Sabbath only for Jews or changed from 7th day to 1st day are among those deceived.

        this video simply brings that confirmation to the light…

        http://www.remnantofgod.org/sabatak.htm#admit7

  • Mike Shipley

    Jesus actually taught that some are “born eunuchs” in the gospel of Matthew … and should not marry women.

    • Gary

      Eunuch does not mean homosexual.

  • franklinb23

    I thought you only had to “believe in Jesus” to be saved.

    I guess I didn’t read the fine print.

    Okay, so you can’t be gay (even if in a monogamous relationship). You can’t have gay thoughts. Got it.

    Can you use contraception if you’re married and don’t want children? What about masturbation? Are guys who engage in this going to Hell? What if you’re a woman married to a guy who’s beating your children to a pulp? Can you divorce him? Christ in three passages said that the only valid reason for divorcing your spouse was if they were cheating on you. So is a woman who leaves her abusive husband going to be flung into Hades?

    What if you’re in the American military and you choose to obey an order that results in civilian children dying?

    Do you have to believe that Jesus is equal to the God the Father, or can you believe that He’s sort of “less”? What if you pray to dead saints or Mary? Will you go to Hell for that? What if you ask alive Christians to pray (intercede) for you?

    Man … this religion thing is pretty complicated … and the answers change depending on who you ask! I better consult an expert.

  • richisnot

    If God is not going to compromise judgement they should not compromise his law.

  • Elizabeth Williams

    It’s the same as being an open adulterer, or an open thief. The Holy Spirit can not dwell where sin reigns. The only true homosexual follower of Christ is one who is repentant, and then chooses to live within the will of God. Same as what we would expect the change to be in a person who was robbing banks, or murdering people for sport, or a prostitute. After they are born again they are a NEW person. The proof of a change is in the biblical text. They no longer live in their sin. The bible SAYS they are changed. The word NEW tells us.

  • Getreal

    Anyone who takes time to listen to what Mohler said in his opening address knows the above statement attributed to him is incorrect. What he said at about 30 minutes into his sermon on Romans 1:18-32 is that his thinking on the matter of sexual orientation has evolved and he no longer views it as simply “a matter of the will”. His point was simple, he is just saying it is a complex desire, which it is. He wasn’t saying it is some immutable trait that cannot be transformed by the grace of Christ. He didn’t apologize to the LGBT for his biblically based views on homosexuality–he said he “repents” of his former view that attributed homosexuality to a mere matter of the will. Further, he is correct to say one doesn’t go to hell because they are homosexual anymore than anyone goes to hell for being a fornicator. One goes to hell for what they are–a sinner in need of saving grace–not for what they do. The expression of the sin nature is seen in what one does and is symptomatic of innate depravity. Thus, those who profess Christ, like the Corinthians in 1 Cor. 6:9-11, and keep sinning in the same old way and with the same frequency are evidencing they are not creatures in Christ. Has Mohler changed his position? Is the SBC conceding valuable ground on this? Time will tell. But maybe we should listen to all the seminars before passing judgment and read what they write on the subject in the days ahead and compare with their work from the recent past.

  • Gina

    Isaiah 5:20 – Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  • MNguy

    “Tolerance” is close cousin to lawlessness.

  • B.J. Sanders

    We Christians so easily confuse the Gospel and discipleship. There is a dichotomy in the human condition. People are either saved or not. If someone is not saved, they need the Gospel, and it is foolish for us to demand the unregenerate to behave as though they were free from sin. They are slaves to sin, it should not surprise us that they behave as such. Jesus came to seek and save the lost, aka those who are “sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler.” Jesus ate with them!

    On the opposite side is discipleship, which is when in light of the new creation bought by the blood of Jesus, we DO excpect and demand a believer to behave as a believer. This is where the church ought to be vocal with their own. This is where verses such as 1 Cor 5:11 apply. Paul is writing to believers in the church concerning believers in the church. Please do not apply that verse to the Gospel. It is not a Gospel verse, less Jesus sinned. We as Christians are commanded to associate with and love unregenerate sinners. Then…we are commanded to discipleship. We are commanded not to tolerate ungodly living within the church. The flaw in this issue is when Christians judge the ungodly for their lack of godly living. Can we all agree that is ignorance at its best on our part?

  • Edward Hathcoat

    The only sin that will send one to Hell is the sin of “unbelief”, You either believe the Word of God about sodomy, and every other teaching,
    or you don’t. You cannot be a believer and an unbeliever at the same time. God’s word is truth or it is a lie. God calls sodomy “sin”, So go ahead and believe that you are going to heaven, but you are in for a rude awaking when you die!

  • vicki

    Sin no matter what it is, should not be celebrated, but we should be grieved by it. Just as sin grieves God’s heart.
    Psalm 78:40How often they rebelled against him in the wilderness and grieved him in the wasteland!
    Isaiah 63:10
    Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.

    Pride is in direct opposition to God, being even the first sin, which resulted in the fall of Lucifer, who desired a thrown above God. Yet many will take pride, promote pride, in their sin. Our enemies are the world, the flesh and the devil. The world is filled with the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh and the PRIDE of life.
    Proverbs 29:23
    Pride brings a person low, but the lowly in spirit gain honor.

  • Frank Candlish

    If no goes to hell for sexual sins, then no one goes to hell for turning their back on God. It is heart breaking when a group of Christians turn their back on God and his word. I have not heard that God changed His mind that this sin is no longer an “abomination”. Those are strong words from God himself.

  • http://www.payatasmissionoutreach.org/ Jack Wilson

    Goodbye SBC

  • Mark Blackard

    Matthew 9:10-13
    Jesus sat at the table and was joined by tax collectors and sinners. The Pharisees went to His disciples and asked, “Why does your Teacher eat with sinners?” Jesus heard this and said, “Well people don’t need a physician, sick people do. Learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ I did not come to call the righteous to repentance, but the lost.”
    It sounds to me that Jesus wants His people to treat everyone with kindness regardless of their sins. It does not matter if we understand the sin. Not everyone understands our sin. Being kind and compassionate does not mean you condone someone’s lifestyle. It means you are following the example of Christ.

  • MNguy

    Sodomites are:
    · wicked,… and sinners before the Lord,… exceedingly so (Gen13:13)
    · violent,… and doom nations (Gen 19:1-25; Judges 19)
    · abominable to God (Lev. 18:22)
    · called dogs as filthy, impudent and libidinous (Deut. 23:17,18; Mat. 7:6; Phil. 3:2)
    · workers of iniquity (Psa. 5:5)
    · liars and murderers (Jn. 8:44)
    · filthy and lawless (2 Pet. 2:7,8)
    · natural brute beasts (2 Pet. 2:12)
    · likened unto dogs eating their own vomit, swines wallowing in their own feces (2 Pet. 2:22)
    · worthy of death for their vile sex practices (Lev. 20:13; Rom. 1:32)
    · unable to blush or be ashamed of their abomination (Jer. 6:15)

    They:
    · have been given over by God to uncleanness to dishonor their own bodies, to vile affections, and to a reprobate mind such that they cannot think straight about anything (Rom. 1:23-28)
    · produce in society mass intoxication from their “wine” made from the “grapes of gall from the vine of Sodom and fields of Gomorrah,” poisoning society’s mores with the “poison of dragons and the cruel venom of asps” (Deut. 32:32,33)
    · show their sin and shame on their countenance (Isa. 3:9)
    · will proliferate at the end of the world bringing final judgment on mankind (Lk. 17:28-30)
    · apart from repentance, have no hope of Heaven (Rev. 22:15)

    “It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Heb. 10:31

  • John Mark IB

    here’s hope folks, but, wow, this is really, really, so sad, really, southern Baptists give the name Baptist a bad meaning, I used to think “man the First Baptist Church boy! yeah! they’re really strict fire and brimstone good stuff”, used to think they were good solid Biblically sound etc., took a while to realize I was mistaken and they’re worldly lost and as always, as the world goes, so goes the church, liberty U is a perfect example, worldly music contemporary etc., then they deny the very preserved KJV Words of GOD and so of course this is no surprise, but it’s so very sad they allow compromise bit by bit little piece at a time to chip away at the solid foundations, maybe they were never solid to begin with? but no one is saying to hate the homosexuals at all not by any means, I love the sinners because I believe I’m chief/the worst of them, as Paul says, but how can you be salt and light by accepting the very sins for which Christ lovingly gave His precious life and blood for so we can be saved?? maybe the southern Baptists need to repent and get born again and serve the Living Christ and be true Christians give them the Gospel, thanks be to GOD for true local Churches that have always been in the unbroken line and exist today in the solid Biblical teaching of Independent Baptist local churches, here’s hope folks, please give them the truth they need to know, so they can have at least half a chance, and leave the results to Him !! thanks christiannews.net for allowing this site and my posts, have a blessed day and week with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen! see hope and pass it on
    if you truly love them then give them this, and to the dear homosexual please see the following and ask GOD to help you!! with love!
    http://faithsaves.net/truth-for-gay-friends/
    http://faithsaves.net
    http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36
    http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com

  • D. Kirkpat

    The termi is “oxymoron”. One cannot be openly gay and Christian at the same time. It’s called self-deception based on faulty reasoning.

  • http://www.christ421stcentury.com/ PhilDave

    whatever happened to Holiness?

  • Michael Falsia

    Al Mohler has been elevated to a position that cannot be found anywhere in the Bible? The more he opens his mouth the more you begin to see just how overrated he is as a leader. If your a homosexual whether or not you act upon it is inconsequential it is a sign that your heart is still enslaved to sin! You are not born again! There is no such thing as sexual orientation which is opposite to God’s creative mandate. What we have is the realization of mans sinful depravity at its height which is why some of Adams fallen race have this perversion raging in them! Our orientation is to the corruption of our hearts and what sin God allows to come to the surface in order to show us this depravity is a matter of His own sovereign discretion! God gave them over to etc…. Al please start relying on Paul’s words found in Romans 1 to be your guide and authority not a cowardly retreat to please and adopt the language of the wicked! Your no man of God if you do otherwise my friend? Christ will disown you and withdraw from your ministry!

  • Rick

    Revelations 21:8–“But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Not only will a gay lifestyle condemn you to hell, so will all liars. If you, being an ambassador of Christ, don’t know His marching orders, then you falsely represent Christ and blaspheme His Holy name.

    God’s moral law, His commandments do not waver or change. “Unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God” John 3:3. There is a problem in the church with understanding this concept of being “born again”. It’s is much more than professing Christ. It is repentance that is confirmed through a humble and contrite heart.

    2 Cor. 13:5–“Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you—unless indeed you fail the test?”

  • Seniorsquadldr

    Baptists! Get out of SBC while there is still time. Find a Bible believing, independent, fundamentalist church. Ya all are starting to look and sound like Catholics.

  • Rick

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
    That sounds pretty clear to me. It doesn’t matter if you claim to believe in Christ and you continue to live in sin, your actions reflect your belief, not your false claims.
    Faith without works is dead.