North Carolina Judges Continuing to Resign After Orders to Conduct Same-Sex ‘Marriages’

Gavel III pdSince North Carolina’s denial of ‘gay marriage’ was ruled to be unconstitutional, at least 6-8 family court magistrates have resigned from their positions, citing that their Christian faith prevents them from performing so-called same-sex marriages.

On October 10, 2014, U.S. District Court Judge Max O. Cogburn, Jr. ruled in General Synod of the United Church of Christ v. Cooperasuit that the state’s prohibitions against same-sex marriages were unconstitutional. North Carolina’s governor and attorney general conceded that a recent ruling in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision not to hear an appeal in that case established the unconstitutionality of North Carolina’s ban. State legislators sought, but were unsuccessful in stopping the effects of the ruling.

The suit was brought earlier this year by a coalition of apostate clergy, which include members of the United Church of Christ, Baptists, Lutherans and Unitarian Universalists who argued that North Carolina’s statute restricted religious freedom by making it a crime to preside at the solemnization of a couple that lacks a valid state marriage license.

Previously, it was Rockingham County magistrate John Kallam, Jr. and Swain County magistrate Gilbert Breedlove who resigned from their positions, and now at least four other judges resigned after the orders to conduct same-sex marriages were issued.

The magistrates declared that they are waiting on God to give them direction for the next steps of their lives. Kallam and Breedlove were followed by Bill Stevenson (Gaston County), Tommy Holland (Graham County), Gayle Myrick (Union County), and Jeff Powell (Jackson County) in tendering their resignations.

Stevenson is the most current magistrate to declare that his stepping down from his position has to do with conflicts with his faith. Stevenson issued his resignation on October 16, only six days after same sex marriage was legalized.

“It was something I had to do out of conscience,” Stevenson commented to NBC. “I felt like to perform same-sex unions would be in violation of the Lord’s commands, so I couldn’t do that.”

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Stevenson has only been a magistrate for over a year and a half. His main source of income is his position as a North Carolina Magistrate, which pays more than $50,000 a year.

Stevenson quotes the Bible as his reason for his resignation. “‘I hate to wax it so biblical but it says ‘what good is it for a man to gain the whole world but lose his own soul,'” he stated.

Holland, fifty-eight, a magistrate from Graham County, who is Southern Baptist by upbringing said that he knew he had to resign the moment that he received a memo from the state saying that magistrates have to uphold the new marriage law no matter what their positions are on the same-sex marriage issue. He declares that God will take care of him.

Myrick, another magistrate, likewise declared that she cannot go against her own convictions. She believes that marriage is ordained by God to be between man and woman. She wanted to honor what the Word of God says. Myrick says that while she can perform the duties of the office impartially, she draws the line where her personal religious convictions are compromised. “It’s a personal religious conviction,” Myrick said. “I would have to compromise those convictions to continue to do my job.”

Powell, a pastor of Tuckasegee Wesleyan Church and now the former Fitzgibbon State’s justice of the peace confirmed as well that he stepped down from the position because of his position on same-sex marriages.

Other judges who have not resigned have declared that they will simply refuse to perform the so-called same-sex marriages. This refusal to perform a duty of the law could lead to their dismissal.

Republican State Senator Phil Berger joined by a team of 28 other Republicans have requested the North Carolina Administrative Office of the Courts to protect state officials who refuse to participate in same-sex marriages because of religious convictions.

Berger also commented that he will propose a bill that will protect state officials who refuse to issue marriage licenses or perform same-sex unions out of religious convictions.

Berger commented that “forcing Magistrate Kallam to give up his religious liberties to save is job is just wrong.”


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  • Mike843

    Part of the job is to perform civil marriages. Resigning if you’re unwilling to do the job is appropriate.

    • Neiman

      It is admirable when a Christian risks their jobs and lives to oppose sin, those resigning are standing with God and against a perverse State.

      • jacksonm

        Did any of them ever perform a wedding for someone who was divorced and marrying someone else? Because, you know, divorce is a sin, right?

        See, they aren’t following the entire bible, they are just cherry picking hypocrites.

        • Neiman

          Your last line betrays you are anti-Christ, you are expressing strong hatred for Christian people.

          Deuteronomy 24:1-4 mentions remarriage after a divorce, does not call it adultery, and does not demand the death penalty for the remarried spouse. The Bible explicitly says that God hates divorce (Malachi 2:16), but nowhere explicitly states that God hates remarriage. The Bible nowhere commands a remarried couple to divorce. Deuteronomy 24:1-4
          does not describe the remarriage as invalid. Ending a remarriage through divorce would be just as sinful as ending a first marriage through divorce. Both would include the breaking of vows before God, between the couple, and in front of witnesses.

          No matter the circumstances, once a couple is remarried, they should strive to live out their married lives in fidelity, in a God-honoring way, with Christ at the center of their marriage. A marriage is a marriage. God does not view the new marriage as invalid or adulterous. A remarried couple should devote themselves to God, and to each other – and honor Him by making their new marriage a lasting and Christ-centered one (Ephesians 5:22-33).

          Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/remarriage-adultery.html#ixzz3I7DO7cK5

          However, God has never approved gay marriage, He said it was only between two people of the opposite gender and He clearly from Genesis to Revelations condemns homosexuality. Thus, to marry a gay couple is not only not approved by God, but it is knowingly condoning these same gender people deliberately, consciously continuing in sin, there is no repentance at all.

          • Sha-wei

            Neiman, I find your calm, measured tone and systematic approach a wonderfully effective antidote to your more mercurial detractors on these forums, let alone that you are using and rightly dividing the inspired word in a totally godly manner, as opposed to those children of S_ _ _N and others who still trash about in the dark. Your theology is quite sound, too, I must say, and I revel in the knowledge that there are kindred souls about with an outstanding grasp of God’s truths.

            But now, given your rational Apology to every point aimed your way, I smile at feeling my own diction too visceral and – shall we say – “melodramatic” (as I’ve been accused of). But I welcome any lesson in humility I’m dispensed, rejoicing that I am thereby being drawn ever nearer to my blessed Saviour’s example. May God continue blessing and using you, brother, right up to the approaching Grand Denouement of Human History.

      • Robby Clewley

        You seem awfully obsessed with gay marriage , its ok, you can come out of the closet now. Its obvious you are gay and cant accept it

        • Neiman

          Typical gay thuggery, accuse anyone that speaks against homosexuality of being gay. You only show the evil in your own nature.

          • Robby Clewley

            Ok let me ask you , how do gay people affect YOUR life ?

          • Neiman

            It is the everlasting souls of homosexuals, the people they lead away from Christ and their being enemies of the Christian Church that concern me, not how they impact my life personally. They are being used by Satan to destroy the Christian Christian Church and lead people into everlasting torments, they are aided by Christ hating liberals, which is the vast majority of liberals and not a few godless conservatives.

          • Robby Clewley

            Oh you are a conservative lol. That explains it all. No need for further discussion. I usually dont talk to fake christians and certainly dont talk to conservatives. Still whining Obama won ? 🙂 Gay marriage is here to stay . There are MILLIONS of gay people in America. You will never get rid of us. Have a good day bigot lol

          • Neiman

            Yes, gay marriage is here to stay – until the End when Jesus will Judge the world and all idolaters, and God calls homosexuality idolatry, will be destroyed.

          • Robby Clewley

            Ok Mr sin free . judge away , you are PERFECT after all

          • Neiman

            Yes I am sin free, not by being good y any act of the old nature, but because Jesus washed away all my sins, I am born again and when in the flesh I sin, He is my advocate upon repentance and keeps me sanctified. In the flesh I am, like Paul, a Chief among sinners, but before God, by faith, by grace, through repentance to Perfect Nature of Christ is credited to my account.

          • Robby Clewley

            lol. Im sorry but I am am having trouble from not laughing out loud in the office. NOBODY is sin free. You sinned by being homophobic to me . I am sure you sin every day by worshipping false gods (yourself). Jesus washed away all my sins too . Loving a man or being bisexual isnt a sin. You are clearly being taught wrong. Stop watching Fox News

          • Neiman

            A. Being free of sin is a judicial matter before Heaven’s Court, it and indeed salvation itself is based on God’s free gift in Christ, wherein His blood washed away every sin, if not, one cannot gain Heaven.
            B. As to our flesh, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The difference is whether or not in spirit our sins have been washed away, by faith, which demands our repentance from those sins.
            C. There is no such thing as homophobia.
            D. I worship Jesus and Him only do I trust.
            E. You cannot have your sins washed away and not repent of them, which demands a sincere desire to stop sinning.

          • Robby Clewley

            only one requirement to be a christian, believing jesus died for our sins. being gay is okay in gods eyes. wake up

          • Neiman

            Even the devil and demons believe Jesus is God, are they saved? Before one can be saved: (a) One must believe God exists, or what difference would it make. (b) They must believe that by their sins they deserve hell. or why look for a Savior? (c) They must repent of their sins or they are deceived thinking they deserve hell but need not stop sinning (d) By Grace, through Faith one accepts Jesus as their Savior and Lord, which implies sharing His hatred of sin and turning to Him for deliverance.

            Show me where in Scripture God ever says a single word in support of homosexuality and explain why there are so many clear condemnations of that lifestyle choice in Scripture from Genesis to revelations.

          • Robby Clewley

            you are sick , get help. being gay isnt a sin. my boyfriend and i go to church and love god . we go to a gay church. you are an evil person and homophobic PERIOD. I will pray for you. BYE . You lose , we win 🙂 32 states on our way to FIFTY hahaha. Bye fake Christian . you are an idiot

          • James Grimes

            “being gay is okay in gods eyes” Where does your bible say that? My Bible states that it is an abomination in God’s eyes and that it is a SIN. The homosexual lifestyle is totally unacceptable to God.

          • Robby Clewley

            I love Christ by the way , Christ said to love everyone and judge nobody. Now who is the sinner hmmmm

          • Neiman

            God did not prohibit Christians from Judging:

            This is an issue that has confused many
            people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge,
            or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1).
            On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and
            false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How
            are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of
            judgment about them?

            Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out
            against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the
            Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind
            of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5
            declares, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged,
            and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you
            look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention
            to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me
            take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in
            your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye,
            and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s
            eye.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous
            judgments of others.

            In Matthew 7:2-5,
            Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself
            are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us
            not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his
            Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his
            sin (Matthew 18:15-17).
            This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with
            the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2
            instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of
            season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful
            instruction.” We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of
            presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus
            Christ (John 14:6).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html#ixzz3I7aHriJB

            While conservatives generally seem to support moral/social and even economic issues I agree with, I am unaffiltated, I am a Christian and not part of your, already condemned world system.

          • Robby Clewley

            I’ll pray for the HATE in your heart. In the meantime , PLEASE see a Psych doc. Meds could help your psychosis .

          • Neiman

            I have no hate, but you are self loathing and hate Christians.

          • Robby Clewley

            I am a liberal Christian. Dont hate Christians at all. I just do not like homophobic people like yourself.

          • Neiman

            There is no such thing as a liberal Christian, nor conservative for that matter.

            Homophobia is a wholly liberal construct, a weapon to silence Christians. A phobia is an irrational fear of something, I do not fear, but love gay people and want then to gain heaven through repentance and being saved by Grace. You hate gays!

            You do hate Christians!

          • Robby Clewley

            If you truly loved gay people who wouldnt talk against them. How do I hate gays if I am gay . You sound more delusional with every remark. I am a Christian. You dont know me so just be quiet

          • Neiman

            Quite the contrary, let me try and explain love for gays versus hate for gays.

            Let us say a man had an terrible cancer, did not know he had this cancer and demanded that no one ever tell him if he was ever sick unto death. Freind #1 (you) honored that demand and insisted anyone that told him he was sick unto death was evil and would only offend the sick man and would be hateful to tell him. Friend #2 (me) ignored those demands by the sick man and by you and insisted on telling the sick man that he was facing a most horrific and painful death, but that there was a cure that could save his life. Now which friend really loved the sick man, Friend #1 or Friend #2, the one that refused to help save that sick man’s life for fear of offending him or the one that was willing to endure the anger, attacks and hate of the sick man and Friend#1 (you)? Now replace cancer with homosexuality, whether you agree it will result in death and everlasting sufferings or not, surely the Friend willing to be abused and hated to tell that gay man He is lost is acting in the love of God and Friend #2 (you) are actually the one that hates the sick man.

            I cannot know if one day you will repent of your homosexuality and will be saved, what I can say is that according to God’s Word, your being wholly unrepentant of that God cursed lifestyle choice cannot now have His Spirit and are in danger of everlasting suffering.

            The Bible is consistent through both Old and New Testaments in confirming that homosexuality is sin (Genesis 19:1–13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Jude 1:7). In this matter, the New Testament reinforces what the Old Testament had declared since the Law was given to Moses (Leviticus 20:13). The difference between the Old and New Testaments is that the New Testament offers hope and restoration to those caught up in the sin of homosexuality through the redeeming power of Jesus. It is the same hope that is offered to anyone who chooses to accept it (John 1:12; 3:16–18).

            God’s standards of holiness did not change with the coming of Jesus, because God does not change (Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 13:8). The New Testament is a continuing revelation of God’s interaction with humanity. God hated idolatry in the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 5:8), and He still hates it in the New (1 John 5:21). What was immoral in the Old Testament is still immoral in the New.

            The New Testament says that homosexuality is a “shameful lust” (Romans 1:26), a “shameful act,” an abandonment of “natural relations” (Romans 1:27), a “wrongdoing” (1 Corinthians 6:9), and “sexual immorality and perversion” (Jude 1:7). Homosexuality carries a “due penalty” (Romans 1:27), “is contrary to the sound doctrine” (1 Timothy 1:10), and is listed among the sins that bar people from the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9). Despite the attempts of some to downplay these verses, the Bible could not be clearer that homosexuality is a sin against God.

            Homosexuality is not the cause of a society’s decline, but it is a
            symptom of it; it is the result of people making themselves the final authorities. Romans 1 gives the natural digression of a society that has chosen idolatry and sinful pleasure instead of obedience to God. The downward spiral begins with denying that God has absolute authority over His creation (Romans 1:21–23).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/New-Testament-homosexuality.html#ixzz3I88JTD57

          • Robby Clewley

            being gay isnt a sin. people like you are why gay people try to kill themselves . you preach hate . just shut your mouth about lgbt ppl

          • Timothy Ishmael

            You know him about as well as he knows you.

          • Timothy Ishmael

            Ad hominenm.

          • Neiman

            You better pray for God too and ask him to get psychiatrist help:

            It seems a contradiction that a God who is love can also hate. We are
            created with the capacity to both love and hate; it is part of our being
            created in the image of God. The fact that we are all tainted with sin
            does not negate the fact that the ability to love and hate is part of
            the image of God that was created within us all. Therefore, if it is no
            contradiction for a human being to be able to love and hate, then much
            more so would it not be a contradiction for God to be able to love and
            hate.

            When the Bible does speak of God hating, the object of God’s hatred is
            usually sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (Deuteronomy 12:31; 16:22) and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4-6; 11:5). Proverbs 6:16-19
            outlines seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots,
            those who love evil, false witness, and troublemakers. Notice that this
            passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well.

            The question that begs to be answered at this point is why does God hate
            these things? God hates them because they are contrary to His
            nature—God’s nature being holy, pure and righteous. In fact, David
            writes, “For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you” (Psalm 5:4
            emphasis added). God is holy and hates sin. If He did not hate sin, He
            would not be holy. God is love, but He is also wrath, justice, and
            vengeance. But His wrath is a holy wrath and His justice and vengeance
            are holy as well. God’s love is holy. Therefore, He cannot “love
            everyone all the time no matter what they do,” as some like to claim.
            Nothing could be further from the truth. God loves righteousness and
            holiness and hates sin and evil. If He did not, He would not be God.

            So if God hates sin and loves holiness, how does He love us? Simple. He
            loves us because we have the righteousness of Christ who became sin for
            us on the cross (2 Corinthians 5:21).
            He poured out His wrath and vengeance against sin on His Son, so that
            He could pour out His mercy and love on us. But without that sacrifice
            credited to us, His wrath and hatred remain on us because He hates our
            sin. The Bible never says He “hates the sin, but loves the sinner.” In
            fact, He is “angry with the wicked every day” (Psalm 7:11).
            Is there a sense in which God loves everyone? Yes. Does that love
            preclude God from also hating sin, wickedness, and evil? No.

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html#ixzz3I7coVyah

          • Robby Clewley

            You are the one who needs the psychiatrist. ANY psychiatrist will tell you that being gay is normal. The DSM removed it as abnormal in 1974. They would condemn you for you committing your HATE crimes against gay people

          • Neiman

            Hate crimes? That is what you gays have done to attack and silence the Church, making it a crime to oppose the homosexual lifestyle choice, by thuggery of the Law, demand Christians submit to your liberal political correctness.

            The psychiatric profession, a false profession, made up of liberal, secular humanist, atheist, politically correct liberals submitted to political correctness to oppose God and His Word. So, I have no cause to accept their insane pronouncements.

          • Robby Clewley

            yes talking bad about gay ppl is a hate crime and i am reporting you to the HRC. Psych docs are not real you say ? tell that to the APA. you need meds BADLY. I am a psych student and you have paranoid personality disorder. Your thought process is very dangerous to society. Being gay isnt a choice. You cant make gay people go away , we win 🙂

          • Neiman

            You win what? The right to go to hell?

            Hate crimes? That is what you gays have done to attack and silence the Church, making it a crime to oppose the homosexual lifestyle choice, by thuggery of the Law, demand Christians submit to your liberal political correctness.

          • Robby Clewley

            lol you are pathetic. bye . you dont derserve my time. you wont go to hell. gay is not a sin. bye fake christian , wait until i tell the guys about you hahaha. thanks for the laughs . we win, gay marriage is legal and being gay isnt a sin. even if you lie and say it is. bye bye pathetic fake christian

          • Neiman

            I pray to Jesus that you will find the Truth before it is too late, for once you cast off the mortal flesh, there will be no appeal. Either you will have repented and the blood of Christ washed away your sins or you will consciously suffer in absolute darkness, absolutely alone forever. I would hate to think you awaken in hell.

            I have shown you over and over where in Scripture homosexuality is a sin, no being gay is not a sin, but living the homosexual lifestyle is a sin and as long as you deny that Truth, you are, I fear, lost.

          • Robby Clewley

            Worry about YOUR life and we will worry about ours. I will NEVER believe it is a sin neither will any in our community so you are wasting your breath

          • Neiman

            As a Christian, I am responsible to call people to repentance and to seek Jesus as their Savior, on God’s ground. I am not responsible for what you do about it, but I am responsible to issue the call whether the hearer likes it or not.

            I know that most of your community will never accept God’s Word against the sin of homosexuality, among many sins shared by us all and that you will refuse His Pardon. I know that for now, in this wicked world, your people are winning the war against Christ and His Church, God told us that was what would happen.

          • Robby Clewley

            murder is sin, stealing is sin , war is sin, etc . loving someone is not sin. having sexual relations is not sin. if you love God and are a good person you go to Heaven PERIOD. You are not God , so maybe worry about your own life. God is about LOVE and uplifting the human spirit , you people use God to tear people down . God doesnt like that,

          • Neiman

            Loving someone is not engaging in homosexual relations with them, it is hate and it leads only to everlasting destruction.

            Did God not like it when John the baptist called people to repentance to prepare their hearts to receive Christ, to call them snakes or to call Herod and his wife adulterers? When Jesus called men to repentance? When Jesus warned people of everlasting punishing in hell? When Jesus called religious leaders serpents?

          • Robby Clewley

            two men loving each other leads to destruction ? did you just say that ?

          • Robby Clewley

            you are a moron , fucking asshole

          • Timothy Ishmael

            You go heaven if your sins are atoned for by the blood of Christ. Being a “good” person is an effect of salvation, not a cause.

          • Robby Clewley

            NO , as a Christian you are responsible to LOVE thy neighbor and that is all.

          • Neiman

            Many understand the term repentance to mean
            “turning from sin.” This is not the biblical definition of repentance.
            In the Bible, the word repent means “to change one’s mind.” The Bible
            also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions (Luke 3:8-14; Acts 3:19). Acts 26:20
            declares, “I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove
            their repentance by their deeds.” The full biblical definition of
            repentance is a change of mind that results in a change of action.

            What, then, is the connection between repentance and salvation? The Book
            of Acts seems to especially focus on repentance in regards to salvation
            (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20).
            To repent, in relation to salvation, is to change your mind in regard
            to Jesus Christ. In Peter’s sermon on the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter
            2), he concludes with a call for the people to repent (Acts 2:38). Repent from what? Peter is calling the people who rejected Jesus (Acts 2:36) to change their minds about Him, to recognize that He is indeed “Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36).
            Peter is calling the people to change their minds from rejection of
            Christ as the Messiah to faith in Him as both Messiah and Savior.

            Repentance and faith can be understood as “two sides of the same coin.”
            It is impossible to place your faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior
            without first changing your mind about who He is and what He has done.
            Whether it is repentance from willful rejection or repentance from
            ignorance or disinterest, it is a change of mind. Biblical repentance,
            in relation to salvation, is changing your mind from rejection of Christ
            to faith in Christ.

            It is crucially important that we understand repentance is not a work we
            do to earn salvation. No one can repent and come to God unless God
            pulls that person to Himself (John 6:44). Acts 5:31 and 11:18
            indicate that repentance is something God gives—it is only possible
            because of His grace. No one can repent unless God grants repentance.
            All of salvation, including repentance and faith, is a result of God
            drawing us, opening our eyes, and changing our hearts. God’s
            longsuffering leads us to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), as does His kindness (Romans 2:4).

            While repentance is not a work that earns salvation, repentance unto
            salvation does result in works. It is impossible to truly and fully
            change your mind without that causing a change in action. In the Bible,
            repentance results in a change in behavior. That is why John the Baptist
            called people to “produce fruit in keeping with repentance” (Matthew 3:8). A person who has truly repented from rejection of Christ to faith in Christ will give evidence of a changed life (2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 5:19-23; James 2:14-26).
            Repentance, properly defined, is necessary for salvation. Biblical
            repentance is changing your mind about Jesus Christ and turning to God
            in faith for salvation (Acts 3:19).
            Turning from sin is not the definition of repentance, but it is one of
            the results of genuine, faith-based repentance towards the Lord Jesus
            Christ.

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/repentance.html#ixzz3I8Q2dopP

          • Robby Clewley

            Just mind your own business . Cause you cant change anything

          • Robby Clewley

            shut up

          • James Grimes

            ” as a Christian you are responsible to LOVE thy neighbor and that is all.” Is that according to the Queer James bible?

          • Robby Clewley

            you are evil

          • James Grimes

            Thank you for the compliment. I will continue to share what God’s Word really shares about a particular issue. This will not change. Your view, however, is clouded by your lifestyle. What you don’t understand is that you have already been condemned. Of course, you can repent and live a life of abstinence.
            I hope you will do this. This is your only hope and this is in spite of what excuses you use to cover up your sin.

          • Chrissy Vee

            We are also told not to cast our pearls to the swine lest they trample us under their feet. We are to shake the dust off our feet at them. You warned him as is our duty as followers of Christ, he didn’t accept. His blood is now on his own head and not on your hands. Debating with homosexuals who have been given over to a reprobate mind is a viscious, unproductive circle. Bless you for trying.

          • Neiman

            You are right Chrissy, thank you. God bless you too!

            We are also not to engage in vain disputations.

          • Demmi Greene

            Amen.

          • Sha-wei

            ‘“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”. And what was God’s answer..? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL.” So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.’ (Rom. 11:3-5) Indeed. And, enemies of Adonai: we are not bowing before any of your Baals.

            You can silence the “preacher(s) of righteousness”, you can destroy our meeting-places, you can hound us, harass us, breathe your unholy threats against us, BUT THE ONLY WAY you will see us prostrated before your ghastly idols of sexual perversion, secular harlotry and the slaughter of innocents, will be to cast down our cold, dead bodies in front of them.

            For we will “have fought the good fight, (we will) have finished the race, (we will) have kept the faith”. And our souls, in
            sublime repose from the conflict yet smoldering in THIS kingdom of darkness, will lie in serene anticipation of that last trump and the quickening spirit that will raise us up, incorruptible, to receive “the crown of righteousness, which
            the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to…all who have longed for his appearing”.

            But for now, and yet for a brief season, the Master infuses renewed vigour into his besieged and battle-weary believers with these words: “Keep it up, and don’t let anyone intimidate or silence you. No matter what happens, I am with you and no one is going to be able to hurt you. You have no idea how many people I HAVE ON MY SIDE in this city.” (Acts 18:9-10)

            Thus, Church, to your prayer-stations! There are battles we must win on our knees, worshiping the Lord our God and serving only Him. See that each of you sharpen “the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God”. And so, “preach the word…correct, rebuke and encourage..!” “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power”, donning at all times “the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground”. (Eph. 6:10-17)

            And, if we fall in combat, we shall not have died with any SEAL but the Lord’s in our innermost being, “slain because of the
            word of God and the testimony (we) maintained”. However,
            servants of the Anti-Christ: we shall NOT have worshiped the Beast or its image nor received its insidious mark, the way you will do and suffer for. May God the Father and Yahshua HaMashiach, by the agency of the Holy Spirit, transform this “midnight call” far beyond its being merely a bravado-birthed
            battle cry.

          • James Grimes

            “…yes talking bad about gay ppl is a hate crime and i am reporting you to the HRC.” Are you serious? Start by growing up. Be and act like an adult.

          • Robby Clewley

            shut up it is a hate crime

          • James Grimes

            Report me too. You’re a wus hiding behind the internet. You need to grow up and act like a man.

          • Robby Clewley

            shut up homophobe

          • Timothy Ishmael

            I think it’s funny that you think you can diagnose someone after seeing a couple of their posts. If you are a psych student, you aren’t a very good one.

          • William

            It is not a crime to oppose homosexuality
            How you go about expressing your opposition is a different matter.

          • Neiman

            Nonsense, you people have made the Christian faith in that such people oppose sin, to be a hate crime.

          • jmichael39

            You’re doing well, Neiman…but give it up. Robby isn’t concerned about what the Bible says…in debates I’ve had with him earlier he’s openly rejected the full authority of Bible…thinks that calling something sin is hateful…thinks that real love accepts a person’s sin rather than offering them a way out of their sin (just to point out a few of the things he’s said in other threads). Although I have never questioned his heart’s desire to follow Jesus, it is quite clear that his sin has blinded him to the reality of what salvation is all about.

          • Timothy Ishmael

            Ignorance and ad hominem.

  • Frankd52

    Way to go you perverts, hate the sin love the sinners, you gas are destroying everything we believe in we are a Christian Nation which morals comes from God’s 10 commandments.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      I can’t refute this because it’s not coherent.

    • Alexander Wright

      However, you are also a nation who believes in the separation of church and state, thus if a magistrate can’t do their job because of their religion, they should leave. The law, as enacted by your voted in representatives, supports equal marriage rights.

      • david ramseur

        North Carolina’s traditional marriage amendment was passed with vast approval of North Carolina voters. 1 homosexual activist federal judge unilaterally overturned all of those votes with his personal opinion. Now, the people are subjected to what they did not want. This has happened in almost every state where homosexual marriage or homosexual civil unions are allowed.

        • Liquidus Snake

          Dr. Anrenda L. Wright Allen (The former Navy commander and judge who ruled on the matter of the 4th circuit which applied to NC as well) is a straight married woman with 2 kids. Get your facts straight before you criticise a ruling you don’t understand.

          • david ramseur

            Are you saying that heterosexuals are incapable of being homosexual activists?

          • Liquidus Snake

            You can’t save face by trying to divert the subject of your idiotic statement and not being able to understand who made the ruling. Good try though.

        • Jack B Nimble

          Your “vast approval” is based upon 60% of the voters, yet only 35% of eligible voters turned out. Therefore 60% x 35% = 23% of all eligible voters. Hardly any kind of minority or mandate. I guess those that voted for Amendment 1 were the true hard core haters, huh?

          • david ramseur

            The people of the state pass a state constitutional amendment thru the democratic process. A judge overturns their voice with impunity. Do you see anything wrong with this picture? I thought we were supposed to be the land of the free and the home of the brave?

          • Liquidus Snake

            A judge ruled that civil rights aren’t to be voted on. Do you see what wasn’t wrong with that picture?

          • david ramseur

            When has marriage ever been a civil right? Really everybody who qualifies is already equally able to get married. Qualifications for marriage: both participants are adults, they are not related, they are of the opposite gender. This is what a marriage is made up of. Anything else is not recognized as a marriage but as a filthy and destructive social experiment. In reality homosexual marriage is really just an anti-God battering ram.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Starting with Skinner v Oklahoma and essentially every ruling after that. And I could care less about what your religion is about, I’m just trying to live my life in accordance with the law. You should try doing the same without infringing on my rights.

          • Alexander Wright

            Interestingly, it became a civil right when the government started to give rights to married couples that individuals didn’t have. In particular, rights to property after the other partner died, transfer of health benefits, married couples’ tax allowances.

            It’s because of these ‘civil’ rather than religious parts of the marriage that people are wanting, and getting, equal marriage for all.

            Plus, of course, the simple fact that not everyone, and not every religion agrees with your conservative christian view that LGBT people can’t get married.

            What makes your religion special? Try and give me an objective answer.

          • Jack B Nimble

            The voice of the people means nothing when it’s used to strip the rights of other citizens under the equal treatment clause of the 14th amendment. Simple as that. Those “anti same-sex marriage” laws passed in the middle in the last decade were nothing more than get out the vote laws that republicans used to drive conservative turnout. That’s why one by one, they’re all falling since they can’t be supported under the constitution.

          • jacksonm

            David,

            Can I put a referendum up to vote in your state that says you can never leave your house again? If that measure passes, will you accept “their voice”?

            Lie and tell me you would.

          • david ramseur

            The example you give is absolutely non-sensical and would never even be considered. Such a measure would go against the constitution. For the constitution confirms that we all have the natural God-given right to liberty.
            But the redefinition of marriage is not a right covered by the constitution. It is not even supported by the people. Most Americans do not want this aberration to exist in our country!

        • jacksonm

          1) Putting civil rights to a vote violates the Constitution. Funny how many of you never want to admit that.

          2) Civil unions did NOT provide all 1138 rights that marriage did. So, they were not the same thing.

          • david ramseur

            Redefining marriage is not a civil right. Everyone who qualifies is equally able to get married the right way if they desire.

    • Liquidus Snake

      Uhm, Treaty of Tripoli sayd that our nation was founded in no way on the christian religion. You disagree with the founding fathers that were in power?

    • William

      Please define ; “Christian Nation”. In the Treaty of Tripoli approved by the US Senate circa 1787, it specifically states the United States of America is NOT a “Christian Nation”. Don’t believe me? Read the full text of the treaty on the National Archives website.

    • Tim Raynor

      And there’s no way our country’s morals follow the 10 commandments. The Constitution alone violates the first four.

    • Jose

      We are not a Christian nation almost all of the founding fathers were Masonic HOWEVER our original 13 colonies were very religious and conservative (back in the day when all this corruption, perversion, hatered, and evil wasn’t as prevelant…*hint*) and since this nation is “for the people and BY the people” many of our laws and regulations are deeply enbeded in cristian belief(since almost all the colonies revered God!! So I see where he’s coming from and if you read the bible and I mean actually read and study it and not just on what you’ve heard from other people (there’s a huge difference) you will see that the 10 commandments are actually pretty close to the constitution. (Not all of them)

      However up until now we are getting further and further away from them bc it what “the people” want. Well think about this for a second. Now that you’re “winning” and completely removing God from our society and govt has it become a better place like you say it would be? Are people less filled with “hate” ? Or is our society worse than ever before? Don’t believe me ask you grandparents or your great grandparents and they’ll tell you how much this country has changed (and for the worse, not better)

    • franklinb23

      We’re not destroying anything. In fact, we’ve built much of it … Alan Turing (considered the father of computer science) was gay. The CEO of Apple is gay. Check the companies that support domestic partner benefits: Microsoft, Disney, Oracle, etc. etc.

      If you don’t want our influence in your life, then you’re free to go live with the Amish.

  • SecularGov

    Interesting that these magistrates have no issue marrying people who have been divorced or widowed. Cherry picking at it’s finest. On the good side, at least the bigots are leaving office to make room for non bigoted magistrates.

    • Chrissy Vee

      Right, because God calls practicing homosexuality an abomination. It’s just another oppressive move on Christianity so that the LGBT bullies and their supporters, and the politically correct (who can not think for themselves) can step in and continue in the demise of this country and morality. Now that incestual marriage is becoming legal as well, what is next? bestiality? Will you support them too?

      • William

        Oppressive move by LGBT?? No one is oppressing their right to practice their religion. In fact they ARE practicing their religion by resigning!!!!!! If you admit you can’t perform the duties of your job, you SHOULD resign!

      • Liquidus Snake

        Being divorced and getting remarried is a form of adltery and according to the bible is grounds for stoning. Congratulations, you defended a sin. Way to contradict yourself. By the way, the slippery slope fallacy for bestiality is tired and already proven false numeruous times. Keep trying though, I’m sure someone in the deep south will make an attempt there.

        • Jose

          Haha maybe you should read your bible there you actually can re marry if there has wen sexual immorality or death (although I honestly can’t defend these judges bc I’m sure you’re right and they did divorce couples based on grounds other than what’s stated in the bible) nonetheless Homosexuality is just plain wrong! Secular or believer I don’t think it matters, how can a man have sex and raise kids with another man (same with woman) and be deemed right? I just think it’s unreasonable! Let’s step away from the bible for a bit just to show you that even with your own secular beliefs this isn’t right! Homosexuals argue that they were born this way, that it’s not a choice however till this day there has been nothing to prove this position (there have been a handful of studies however they have had many flaws) then they go on to argue that they “love” this individual and that the govt shouldn’t intervene and stop them bc they can’t “help it if they are attracted and physically desire the same sex.” But I think we should intervene, for a better world and society for our kids to grow up in! It’s not about “hate” or “lack of acceptance” but of keeping in order with nature. Even if you don’t believe in God you should believe this as well. Ask any secular scientist who believes in evolution what the meaning of life is? And they will tell you it’s just the passing of DNA information from one generation into the next generation. So then if you can’t reproduce and save and pass on the information, your species will weaken and die. So then if homosexuals can’t reproduce what is their meaning of life? (Of course in secular point of view) to just live in their unnatural sexual desires? Well then if that’s the case and we will legalize that then let’s legalize any other desire a human may have even if it goes against nature and the bettering of society. Let’s then not judge and let polygamy run its course bc some men maybe “are just born” with the tendency to need several sexual partners to feel loved. Or let’s let incest happen. Since we are living in a world of “tolerance” now and it doesn’t matter if it may look or feel wrong or if it’s against nature but as long as the individuals doing it “feel” it’s right let’s let them do it. You see where this is becoming a problem? How now all of a sudden it doesn’t matter if it’s against Gods principals or the laws of nature itself but as long as there’s a mutual agreement from both partners and they “feel” it’s right, it’s deemed acceptable?
          Of course we wouldn’t let any of this happen! And when we hear about taboo cultures who practice this we cringe! However we let homosexuality become a norm in our society? Aren’t we supposed to be the civilized ones and have guidelines and put in moral laws?

          And please don’t even think about comparing this to racial discrimination which many homosexual supporters love to do. You can not possibly compare the color or birth origin of a person to a persons corrupt sexual desires.

          • MattFCharlestonSC

            You just ended this tired, old argument with a command to not respond with other tired, old arguments. If you want a new response, then ask a new question. How about this for a response — We’ve already won so we don’t need to defend ourselves to people like you any more.

          • Jose

            Age old arguments or not, they’re true. And yes you’ve “won”, but does it mean you’re right? That’s the greater argument.

            Govt all the time pass dumb laws that don’t benefit society does it mean they’re right? My point is to show the information and pray to God at least one person will read it and reason for themselves. Not what society and culture are telling them. Homosexuality has now just become the new “thing” where everyone is just jumping in the bandwagon and “trying it out” which is another point to show that you are not actually born like that but you choose or are guided through social constructs.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Ah, but what if they’re not christian or not of a monotheistic religion? Screw them right, only your religion matters and is a basis of American law? The first amendment and the Treaty of Tripoli disagree.

          • Jose

            Actually that’s where you’re wrong. They don’t disagree “the people” do. That treaty and constitution only states that this country doesn’t have one religion it doesnt say it laws aren’t or are christian based. Although the founding fathers were all Masonic and some didn’t believe in God the 13 colonies were very much Christian and conservative. And since this govt was built “for the people and BY the people” many of its laws were based on Christianity. And since that statement is still true today (that the govt is by the people) this secular generation is trying to remove any trace of God or the bible (which is extremely obvious). My question to you is, has the world been getting better with your new twisted seclur beliefs? Or is it just turning more corrupt, violent and depraved than from it was when we had our conservative moral, bible based laws? (I know your pride won’t let you see it but I hope you do)

            Finally the comment you made on why Christianity over other religions? Well that in itself is a whole other long argument, but if you are really interested in why? And why it’s prevailed amongst every other religion and gods that men have created, Google it and you will find countless of compelling material on why the bible is the truth

          • jacksonm

            Hmmmmm,

            The Pledge of Allegiance, as originally written, did NOT have the words “under God”. Those were added by the government during the height of McCarthyism.

            So, it seems perfectly fine for your religion to insinuate itself into this country, but it’s wrong for people to question or oppose it?

            We have religious freedom in this country. If you use one and only one religion to dictate the laws, that isn’t religious freedom. That’s theocracy.

          • Jose

            Hmmmmmm,

            Did you read my comment? Did I ever say this country was Christian or that it didn’t have religious freedom? It’s that same religion freedom that this secular generation is using to remove any trace of God or bible. Read exodus 23 and tell me if it doesn’t sound like some things that are in our own laws. My question is, now that you guys are winning and removing conservative moral laws out of the constitution, is this country getting better? Or going down the drain?

          • William

            Read the damn treaty!!! It says the US is NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION!!!!!!

          • Neiman

            You are wrong!

          • William

            Are denying that the text of the treaty states what I say it does?

          • Neiman

            A. That treaty just says that officially we are not a Christian nation and it was to appease Muslims.
            B. We have been, in Spirit, until 1962 a mostly Christian people and thus nation, from our founding by Christian people.
            C: I could give you many quotes from our founding fathers, but below is a small sample to demonstrate that they, generally believed we were a Christian nation (unofficially, but in spirit)

            “We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.”

            – John Adams and John Hancock

            “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” – John Adams

            “The general principles on which the fathers achieved
            independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

            – John Adams

            “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it
            connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

            John Jay, First Chief-Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court

            Providence has given to our people the choice of their
            rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.

            – John Jay

          • Jose

            The ignorance baffles me….. Did you read and comprehend my comment? I clearly said we are not a Christian nation

          • jacksonm

            The point is, it’s laughable how conservatives say they want the constitution followed, but, when the constitution doesn’t agree with them, suddenly they have a problem.

          • Liquidus Snake

            I don’t know if you know this, but one sin is not greater than another. That’s not how the religion works. You commit adultery, you go to hell. Sexuality immorality (anything other than sex for procreation which most everyone on earth has done at one time or another), you go to hell. According to Christianity, it’s all wrong so instead of trying to legislate marriage, why not protest something which is already legal like oral or anal relations with heterosexual couples.

          • david ramseur

            Sexual immorality is sex outside of marriage, true male/female marriage. Sex does not have to be procreative to be moral if it is done within the marriage covenant. Sex is a gift that God gave to married couples to enjoy. To celebrate their union. It is also procreative. However, sex was never designed or intended to be engaged in outside of heterosexual marriage. That kind of sex is a grievous evil and is known as sexual immorality.

          • franklinb23

            So if that’s the case, why didn’t God comment on Lot having sex with his daughters, or Kings David and Solomon having hundreds of wives and concubines? In fact, Solomon was supposedly “infallible” in hearing what God was dictating to him to write down.

            Even Abraham had more than one wife: Sarah, Hagar, Keturah.

          • david ramseur

            Where does it say Lot had sex with his daughters? Sometimes the Bible includes examples of sinful behavior in its historical accounting of various figures anyways. The Bible actually does comment on adultery. The Bible says that nobody may divorce their spouse except for marital unfaithfulness and death. The Bible says that a man will leave his parents and will cleave to his wife, (not wives), and the TWO will become 1 flesh.

          • Jose

            Exactly what David said. Again read the bible. If it’s done within the confinements of marriage it’s ok

          • William

            What a bag of wind! All of your arguments have been refuted time and time again, including in courts of law. Your continued repeating of lies won’t make them
            .

          • Jose

            What lies do you speak of? So far everything you’ve said here has been refuted and you have nothing else to say. And that’s your issue (talk about religious people who just follow something blindly) you’re a blind sheep and don’t you use your own common sense to arrive to a conclusion! How many times has the courts ruled on something that the people deemed dumb and wrong?! Countless times! Just bc they say something is right doesn’t make it right. But at the end of the day we will go back and forth and back and forth all day. You who are entitled to your wrong opinion and me that is telling you truth and it won’t change anything bc you’re set in your incorrect ways and I am in mine. I guess if you don’t want to repent and believe this crap we will just have to wait till my lord comes again and his judgement is laid upon all the land, and then you and I will know that he is God

        • Neiman

          Get out of the Old Testament, you arguments are tiresome and wrong.

          • franklinb23

            We’ll get out of the Old Testament when you guys stop quoting it and putting its passages on giant placards at your silly protests.

          • Liquidus Snake

            What about Matt 22:39? Why aren’t you guys promoting that instead of discrimination? Would you not treat me as equally as you would yourself or do you not follow the New Testament as adamantly as most here would proudly proclaim?

          • Neiman

            Treating your neighbor in love and kindness can never permit excusing sin, God hates sin and Christians must oppose sin in their own lives and that of the world if they love God.

          • Liquidus Snake

            You excuse sin everyday. Do you forcibly stop those who eat shellfish? Do you stone adulterers and homosexuals? Do you remember not work on Sundays including working at home? I thought so.

          • Neiman

            Those laws were of the Old Testament and while they no longer apply under Grace, God’s hatred of sin, all sin remains in force. I am not under Law but Grace and while I too sin, as a believer all my sins are forgiven and yet, God brings discipline into my life when I do and that most often in not excusing me from the daily consequences of my sins.

          • Guest

            Then why keep using it in anti-gay rhetoric?

          • Neiman

            I know of no Christian that believes in stoning any longer, any that do are wrong.

          • Guest

            Leviticus in general, not just stoning. Jesus didn’t believe in Leviticus, hell, he violated Leviticus at one point by not allowing the stoning of that woman he told to leave and sin no more. He harbored and protected a woman from stoning.

          • Neiman

            Jesus did not disallow stoning that woman, He simply pointed out that we are all thus guilty and that under God’s Law that means death and hell; and when the people were shown how they were just as guilty of such sin, they walked away feeling convicted in their own hearts.

            Next, Jesus brought in Grace, wherein such severe penalties for sin were no longer condoned, all punishment left up to God at the last Judgment.

          • franklinb23

            If you want to believe that God is infuriated by homosexual conduct, that’s your prerogative. I don’t think that wanton promiscuity is ethical, so I avoid it.

            The question is what is permissible under the law and what the law may properly oblige people to do.

            Civil marriage is a legal agreement between two persons (although I understand it also has religious connotations). The government can not force someone to perform a specifically religious ceremony for any couple, but it can say that you must extend a civil license.

            Doing so does not make one “complicit” in anything any more than granting a permit to build a synagogue or Hindu temple implies that one is complicit in idolatry.

          • Neiman

            Of course people can be allowed, if the people of their state agree, to engage in any civil/legal partnerships they choose, it just does not qualify as a marriage which is only between one man to one woman.

            If a Christian knowingly excuses homosexual conduct, it is a sin and that applies to gays marrying. Whatever you and this Christ hating world choose to do is your responsibility, it is right for Christians to not participate in and condone gay marriage.

            Any sexual conduct outside the marriage bed is a sin.

          • Liquidus Snake

            “Any sexual conduct outside the marriage bed is a sin.”

            Well, it’s a good thing that’s not a law otherwise everyone in the US would be freaking out, including christians.

          • Neiman

            You are correct! The difference is that for Christians, meaning truly converted Christians, we have the blood of Christ to pay for our sins, we have Jesus as an advocate when we sincerely repent and complete forgiveness.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Well, hopefully it stays within the confines of the religion and doesn’t start trying to infringe on the rights of others who don’t follow said religion.

          • Robby Clewley

            The states say that marriage between a man and a man and a woman and a woman is in fact MARRIAGE. Sorry but you lose

          • Neiman

            This fallen, God condemned world hate God and would deceive the people with its lies.

            The people of the states have not, for the most part approved of Gay Marriage, it has been forced upon them by liberal legislatures and judges and so you are wrong to say the states call it marriage.

          • Robby Clewley

            Same sex marriage LEGAL in 32 states and DC and more to come. Those are the facts , like them or not. 🙂

          • William

            No, we don’t hate God. We are just tried of bigotry.

          • Robby Clewley

            I am a gay Christian , yes we do exist. People like you that are BIGOTS ruin this nation. Go live in Uganda if you hate gay people

          • Neiman

            I am sure you sincerely, albeit falsely, think you are a Christian.

            You are wrong to say any Christian hates gays. To warn people about the wages of sin and point them to Jesus as their only Savior and Lord, is not hate, but the Love of God.

            Many who support same-sex marriage and gay rights argue that, since Jesus never mentioned homosexuality,
            He did not consider it to be sinful. After all, the argument goes, if homosexuality is bad, why did Jesus treat it as a non-issue?

            It is technically true that Jesus did not specifically address
            homosexuality in the Gospel accounts; however, He did speak clearly about sexuality in general. Concerning marriage, Jesus stated, “At the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh[.]’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate” (Matthew 19:4–6). Here Jesus clearly referred to Adam and Eve and affirmed God’s intended design for marriage and sexuality.

            For those who follow Jesus, sexual practices are limited. Rather than take a permissive view of sexual immorality and divorce, Jesus affirmed that people are either to be single and celibate or married and faithful to one spouse of the opposite gender. Jesus considered any other expression of sexuality sinful. This would include same-sex activity.

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-homosexuality.html#ixzz3I7OqJrbt

            If you had said you have homosexual desires, but know it to be a sin, have repented, which includes a sincere desire to stop engaging in that immoral sexual activity, then you might be right that you are a Christian. But, the Bible makes it clear that homosexuality is sexual immorality and He calls it a form of idolatry; and, absent repentance you cannot have been converted to Christ and not being thus born again and free from homosexual desire, you should be very concerned that you are so deceived and are facing exclusion from heaven.

          • Robby Clewley

            I KNOW I am a Christian. I love Jesus and I know I am a Christian. You nor nobody else can tell someone else they are not a Christian . Worry about YOUR life and dont judge others. Being gay is not a sin. The bible has errors. God is about LOVE not rules. God speaks to us individually not as a whole. You people on the Christian right like to judge but maybe you should look in the mirror.

          • Neiman

            I hate it when people lie to prove their prejudices.

            You are rejecting every biblical passage wherein God expresses His hatred for homosexuality, along with many other sins, to say it is not a sin is a deception from hell.

            Judging?

            This is an issue that has confused many
            people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?

            Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, “For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention
            to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous
            judgments of others.

            In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope—and with the ultimate goal—of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God’s Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage — with great patience and careful instruction.” We are to “judge” sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences—the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html#ixzz3I7SiVcfg

            How can you say you love Jesus and willfully continue in sin?

            he Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

            God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is
            born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.

            However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to
            all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html#ixzz3I7T9HFto

          • Robby Clewley

            again ERRORS in bible. God is not against homosexuality. Why dont you just be quiet , your hatred is VERY evident

          • Neiman

            There are no errors in the Bible, only people that want to force errors therein to excuse their sin.

            Show us wherein God ever approved/condoned gay marriage or homosexuality? Show us wherein every condemnation of homosexuality, along with a host of sins, is an error.

          • Robby Clewley

            I cant show you cause the men that wrote those homophobic verses are no longer around . Jesus was against Lev and said his teachings were incorrect

          • Neiman

            No verse of Scripture is from men, but only people that were led by the Spirit of God.

            Who is Lev?

          • Robby Clewley

            blah blah blah.Your hatred is evident . I am glad you are the minority. didnt you love those SCOTUS decisions 🙂

          • William

            OK!!!!! I’ve been warned!!!!!! Time and time and time and time again by you people. I heard you the first time!!! So just shut up already.

          • Alexander Wright

            I’m sure your sincerely, albeit falsely, believe in a god.
            Out of curiosity, as a non believer, which religion am I supposed to take as correct? They all say they are the ‘one true religion’. What make your religion special?

          • Robby Clewley

            what others do with their lives is NONE of your business

          • franklinb23

            @Liquidus Snake: If you really expect these folks to have any interest in applying all of the Bible’s commands to their own lives, you’re really reaching for the stars.

            That thing about giving all your stuff to the poor to follow Jesus? That recommendation by Paul to remain single and celibate? Those are just charming suggestions that should be followed to the letter by someone else … and who wants to be “perfect” anyhow?

            To these folks, they think they get into Heaven in the “Ten Sins Or Less” line because they’re (supposedly) not attracted to the same gender.

          • Liquidus Snake

            I’m not. I’m just trying to understand why they apply only certain parts of the bible to their daily lives yet adamantly ignore others. It baffles me how they do this.

          • franklinb23

            @Liquidus Snake: This will help you. It’s a handy Bible interpretation guide for fundamentalists. Enjoy.

            http://bettybowers.com/biblesecrets.html

          • Jose

            Its called imperfection, we all fall short from the glory of God but a true christian every day asks for forgiveness and keeps trying to fulfill everything the word of God states. Maybe you’ve just never met a true christian?

          • jacksonm

            Jose, James 4:12 says:

            There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you–who are you to judge your neighbor?

            _________

            So, every person who comes in these forums and judges people is sinning.

            Are you *****honestly***** going to tell me that every person who comes in here and judges is asking forgiveness at the end of the day?

            Oh, please, lie through your teeth and tell me you believe that.

          • Jose

            Jackson, paul 7:24 “Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly”

            No where in the bible does it say judging is a sin? Even in the Old Testament God appointments judges for his people. So they can be corrected from wrong doing. Which is a very clear example of how little you know of scripture and how you and other secular people love to cherry pick verses to use for an attack yet take away from the greater picture. The verse you quoted is stating there is only ONE ultimate judge who can save and destroy. Meaning either grant someone eternal life or condemnation in hell. But you and I who are we to be in Gods role and condem someone to hell? We are mere mortals. We however can say what’s wrong or right and hope people repent from there ways. And not on our standards but based on Gods word

          • Neiman

            You know nothing about what Paul said or Holy Scripture, you are just a hater.

          • Liquidus Snake

            You want laws favoring one religion over another, what’s your point one who assumes too much?

          • franklinb23

            I’ve actually read the Bible. Several times. Along with Barth, Aquinas, Spurgeon, Calvin, Piper, Sproul, Plantinga and van Til. Catholic (St John of the Cross, Ignatius, Teresa of Avila, Catherine of Siena) as well as Protestant pastors like Richard Furman and Thornton Stringfellow.

            I’m pretty well-versed, actually.

          • Jose

            If you are pretty well versed then you would stop taking bible passages out of context and write it on here correctly not cherry picking away from the greater picture. That thing you mentioned about Paul remaining unmarried, have you read the full passage? if so then you will know that he says that remaining unmarried is good, but its also good to marry and you are not sinning if you d so. He also said it’s not for every one bc if you are weak it will lead you to commit sexual immorality and commit sin. So when Paul said that he was mainly explaining why he does it (to devout himself fully to God) and that he doesn’t recommend it if you are weak and you are not in he wrong if you do marry. And like that every argument you and the other ignorant fellow who is commenting along side of you are completely wrong and just plainly dont know the full scripture. I can defend every ignorant hollow argument you post one here. How about you just step back humble yourself and read the word of God fully? Maybe then you will be convinced of the truth

          • jacksonm

            Get out of the Old Testament???????

            So many of you religious wingnuts love to quote Leviticus. Do you ever tell THEM to get out of the OT?

          • Neiman

            More Christian hatred, exactly what God told us to expect in these days. Congratulations, your hatred proves prophecy.

            There is the way Christians live, according to the pattern of Christ and the teachings of the New Testament which do away with the Law, by Christ fulfilling it perfectly on our behalf. So, things like stoning or hatred of sinners would not adhere to the Gospel of Grace.

            On the other hand, knowing what I just said, there is much spiritual profit in the OT, prophecies about Christ being foremost, among the other things we learn what sin is and that God hates sin, not restricted to by any means, but it would include homosexuality. God does not change, sin remains sin and knowing what God calls sin is a sure guide to warn us when we sin and encourages us towards repentance. So, it is not inconsistent to say God calls thus and thus sin in the OT, while we apply Grace to dealing with sin and not the penalties of the Law.

          • William

            Not Christian hatred. Hatred of bigotry. Feel free to believe any religion or no religion. Just don’t push your religion into my life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Neiman

            But God calls us to take the Gospel to the whole world.

      • franklinb23

        God also required that folks who worked on the Sabbath be stoned to death. Moses had one guy’s brains smashed out of his head merely for gathering wood on the Sabbath.

        You want to make that the law of the land, too?

        • Neiman

          That was the Old Testament and does not apply to the Gospel of Grace, but typical of liberals to misuse as they play their part in trying to destroy the Christian Church and persecute Christians.,

          • franklinb23

            Neiman writes: “That was the Old Testament and does not apply to the Gospel of Grace”

            So does this mean you religious fanatics will finally STOP quoting Leviticus at us? I didn’t think so …

          • Neiman

            If God condemned sin and He tells us He changes not, then sin remains sin in both Testaments and if repented and turned from, all sin, other than blasphemy against the Holy Ghost can be forgiven. Yet, a homosexual that continues in their homosexual conduct were never repentant in the first place and their sins remain unatoned.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Then let’s move on to slavery. Slavery is clearly condoned in the New Testament. Why aren’t christians trying to bring that back? Or why aren’t christians trying to ban divorce since that’s illegal in there too? Very hypocritical and telling.

          • Neiman

            Slavery was quite common all over the world from the beginning of time, in Israel it existed for economic reasons, wherein the person in involuntary servitude were paying back debts incurred, but not paid and as a way to repay their debts. Yet, there were always strict rules on how slaves were treated in Israel and Christian masters were commanded to treat their servants as brothers and sisters, with love and kindness. Further, it was almost exclusively Christians that fought and brought and end to slavery.

            Divorce was allowed by Moses because of the hardness of the hearts of the people; yet, it always represented a great moral failure on the part of the people involved. On the other hand, homosexuality was condemned in both Testaments as idolatry and sexual perversion.

          • Liquidus Snake

            And yet with all that knowledge, you forget the most basic principle of this nation. Religion doesn’t dictate laws. What works for your religion won’t work for the law, especially for those who don’t follow your religion.

          • Neiman

            So to you, Christians have no rights under the Constitution to try and influence our laws to better reflect their moral values or only vote for people that have their same moral values? Our laws as a nation and in states have always, until you Christ hating liberals gained power, been influenced by Judeo-Christian moral values and since that is no longer the case, our nation is in a moral sewer and sliding to an abyss, no longer the greatest economic power on earth.

          • Liquidus Snake

            “Congress shall make no law
            respecting an establishment of religion….” It also states that congress can’t “pass laws which specifically aid one religion or aid religions
            generally.” Read about the Lemon Test provided in Lemon v Kurtzman, 1970

            So to answer your question, no. And I’m a moderate Independent.

          • Neiman

            You, like all liberal minded people, conveniently omit the rest of that clause, which prohibits the Congress in any shape, manner or form prohibiting the free exercise of religion. You hate that part, don’t you?

            The Lemon case is a wholly liberal construct that perverts the First Amendment.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Freedom of religion stops where one’s job begins. I’m Jewish. I’ve served pork to my customers before. Do I care? No? Does it violate my religious convictions. Sure it does, but guess what? It’s what one of my old jobs required and do you know what happens if I can’t do my job? I quit or get fired. That’s basic law and American economics in one. that and I’m an Unorthadox Jew anyways. And saying that Lemon v Kurtzman is a liberal construct is like saying the 13th Amendment was a liberal concept. Kind of asinine if you ask me.

          • jacksonm

            You can exercise your religion all you want. But exercising your religion does not mean turning your beliefs into the laws of this country.

            Would you approve of Islam getting to be in the laws? Doesn’t Islam have a right to the free exercise of *ITS* religion in this country?

            See, you don’t want religious freedom, you want YOUR religion to be in charge.

            That’s the difference between being righteous and being self-righteous.

          • Neiman

            Self righteous means a person thinks that they have a superior righteousness to others. No true Christian think they have a superior righteousness, they believe themselves to be sinners, unworthy of God Salvation and are saved solely by Grace, a free gift of God obtained by faith.

            So, you do not think Christians or Muslims for that matter, are citizens, they are not part of “the people;” and, that they have no right to try and influence our laws or vote only for people that share their values? That is wholly contrary to the Constitution.

            American Christians, Jacksonm has said you are not citizens and that the First Amendment is a lie.

          • jacksonm

            Your views keep everyone from being equal. You know, one of the fundamental tenets of this country.

          • Neiman

            How am I keeping everyone from being equal, try being specific.

          • Robby Clewley

            Cause you open your big mouth saying how gay marriage is wrong. worry about yourself and leave us out of it

          • franklinb23

            Neiman writes: “Further, it was almost exclusively Christians that fought and brought and end to slavery.”

            And it was Christians who fought abolition. Since Christians apparently comprised 100% of America’s population at its founding, you’ve succeeded in saying nothing at all (except that the Bible can be read to mean anything you want it to mean).

          • Neiman

            Your false accusations and lies are typical liberal tactics, but only expose the Christ hatred in your own heart.

          • franklinb23

            Where is there a lie?

            http://www.yale.edu/glc/archive/1035.htm

            I’ve done my research. You should as well.

          • jacksonm

            7 billion people on the planet.

            6 billion do you follow your religion.

            I guess those 6 billion will burn in hell for choosing a different religion.

            What a mean, vindictive, spiteful religion you have.

          • Neiman

            In my opinion there are not anything close to one billion people following the Christian faith.

            If you are guilty of murder and I am your judge and I offer you a full pardon, which means excusing you for your crimes just as if they were never committed; and, then you refuse that pardon and go to the gallows, whose fault is it, yours or mine? Remember, a pardon is not a pardon unless it is accepted.

            God so loved the world He gave His own Son to pay the full penalty for the sins of the whole world. A most wonderful, all-inclusive word He used was, “whosoever” will choose to accept His Pardon will be saved. He then gave us free will to choose or reject that pardon, if over 6 billion people refuse that pardon, they go to hell by their own choice.

            You do not have to go to hell, if you do, you refused His pardon, His Son and go there by your free will choice.

        • Neiman

          When you stop lying, I will be glad to reply!

    • Neiman

      Even if divorced or widowed, they would remain a man married to a woman, as God commanded; while homosexuals would be two people of the same gender which lifestyle choice God condemns. So it is not equivalent.

      • Liquidus Snake

        Actually, they should only be married to the person they married in the first place. Otherwise, it’s a sin and punishable by stoning.

        • Neiman

          It is a sin, but stoning only applies under the Old Testament and a Christian may repent, which includes no longer sinning and they are forgiven.

          • Liquidus Snake

            That sounds rather too catholic and thankfully not a part of American law.

          • Neiman

            It is telling you use the name Snake, the Bible calls your father a serpent.

            It is not Catholic at all, it is the Gospel of Salvation by Grace.

          • Liquidus Snake

            You devalue my name because it has “Snake” in it. Sad that you resort to petty insults when things aren’t going your way.

          • Neiman

            It is to state the obvious, you show yourself here opposed to Christ and chose the same name Jesus used against Satan and John the Baptist used against all sinners – serpents/snakes. It is not an insult to state the obvious.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Considering that I’m Jewish, I could care less about your concept of hell. Are you implying that I, as a Jew am trying to sabotage your religion?

          • Neiman

            Jews are mostly liberal, mostly unorthodox, mostly socialist and sadly – mostly atheist. Further, the Jews have rejected Jesus as their Messiah and altogether that means that Jews are anti-Christ and anti-Christian.

            The good news is that 12000 Jews of every one of the 12 tribes of Israel will accept Jesus as their Messiah and be the last Spiritual light on earth before the final Judgment. Under the reign of Christ the world will pay tribute to Israel and honor their King.

          • Liquidus Snake

            So in other words, yes, yes you are. Lovely, that’s not anti-Semitic at all. Like my folks didn’t get enough of that back in Europe. Good thing you don’t sit in a seat of power. I can already tell you’d violate multiple laws

          • Neiman

            A. I have some Jewish blood in my veins from my father’s family, many of my ancestors were in Germany at the time of the Holocaust and many from America were fighting against the Nazi’s.
            B. I have always defended Israel and I believe the Jews, those Jews that follow God, are the Apple of God’s Eye, His Chosen People and I pity anyone, including Obama, that would dare conspire to divide Jerusalem – God’s earthly Throne.
            C. I believe the Jews were chosen to preserve God’s Word and by their rejection of God that salvation came to the world.
            D. Jesus was to His human nature – Jewish and it would be ridiculous in the extreme to think I would hate His people.

            All the above is stark testimony against your pretended offense and your falsely calling me antisemitic, as an act of cheap emotional thuggery in an attempt to silence me.

            Yet, all that above does not disprove the fact that most Jews (secular in nature), for a host of causes, are not passionately anti-Christian, morally corrupt and would, in agreement with other secular liberals, try and sabotage the Christian Church.

          • jacksonm

            It’s funny how many will quote Leviticus when it suits their purposes, but dismiss it as “Old Testament” when it suits their purposes.

  • JeffreyRO55

    I think it’s the right thing to do, if you can’t perform your job (paid for by the taxpayers!): resign. Congratulations to these fine people for resigning and putting their communities first.

    • Chrissy Vee

      Better still, congratulations to these faithful people for resigning and putting their God first! ♥

      • david ramseur

        Better still, grace and prayers to the admirable men and women who will not resign, but who will stand up against this tyranny. Magistrates have their first amendment rights to free speech and free religious exercise. Those rights are not handed over to the government or revoked every time that they walk in the door to work! No law shall be made that interferes with any citizens ability to freely practice their religion. If a magistrate refuses to perform a gay wedding because that is approving/endorsing sexual immorality per the Word of God, they shall not be forced to resign.

        • Liquidus Snake

          ” If a magistrate refuses to perform a gay wedding because that is
          approving/endorsing sexual immorality per the Word of God, they shall
          not be forced to resign.”

          If a magistrate refuses to perform a SSM, then they’re not doing what the law requires their job to do. In other words, they’re not doing their job and simultaneously, breaking the law. If they can’t do their job then they need to step down. Plain and simple. In the USA, he needs to follow the law before he can follow his religion.

          • david ramseur

            The law in question is itself immoral and corrupt. A true patriot should disobey such laws. It would be in the right to disobey this law!

          • Liquidus Snake

            You who also thought it was a good idea to rebel? The Confederates. I wonder what happened to them.

          • david ramseur

            Yeah, the founding fathers also rebelled, so did the resistance in Nazi Germany. Dietrich Bonheoffer ring a bell. Paul rebelled against the Jewish authorities when he was commanded not to preach in Jesus’s name anymore. Rebellion is not always unrighteous. Most of the time it is. But sometimes, it is commendable to rebel against wicked laws.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Comparing the founding fathers to those who don’t believe in SSM is pretty pathetic considering Baron von Stueben was a veteran on the Revolutionary War, a close friend of Washington and a homosexual. Another one is comparing victims of the holocaust which included homosexuals, to those who oppose SSM. Again, asinine. Saying that a law which has no effect on you personally is wicked? Well, no amount of education and civics lessons can help you.

          • david ramseur

            Actually, sodomy used to be a capital offense in many American jurisdictions during the founding era. The crime of homosexuality brought punishment that was very severe during that time.

        • Chrissy Vee

          Dig. However, Christians also have their rights to freedom of speech and religious exercise, and have you read what has been happening all over America with Christian business owners being fined, harrassed, threatened with jail time, “reducating” their employees..etc.. by not only the LGBT community but the courts?
          Seriously, Christianity is being pushed out. Politically Correct is the new “right” taking over. I would certainly walk away before it gets worse. After all the cases already in play, if one magistrate who decides to remain and turns down a homosexual couple, there will be Hell to pay. The ACLU and the LGBT will make sure of that. I do agree it would be better for them to stand I fight. I just don’t believe they have many supporters who matter to the decision makers.
          http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/christian-vendors-locked-out-of-wedding-business/#!

          • Liquidus Snake

            Christianity has never been nor will it ever be a basis for our laws. It violates the first amendment, our Treaty of Tripoli and what the founding fathers had in mind. Also, if a business refuses a service based upon one’s orientation, say a baker or a for profit Elvis Wedding Chapel then it’s discrimination and they’re subject to suing and they will lose.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Because you have no understanding of Christians not wanting to go against their beliefs or God and wanting to freely practice their religion without being forced to comply by cowing bullies , I just don’t have an answer for you.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Then why take a job a requires them to violate their religious convictions? That makes no sense. Seriously, I don’t see christians complaining about slavery right now considering it’s in your religion. Do you think that was prohibited by “cowing bullies” as well? Do you think divorce was brought forth by “cowing bullies” as well? You have no understanding of American law and how christians violate their religion everyday by eating shellfish and letting the same magistrates you defend be allowed to marry divorced couples to other people and for that I’m sorry you can’t understand.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Um, homosexual marriage wasn’t legal when most of these judges chose their path. Apparently, now that their hands are being forced, they are stepping down.
            And… bringing up slavery, divorcees and shellfish? Again, you have no understanding. I can not debate with a person about the Bible who lacks knowledge and wisdom from God. And if you don’t think Christians are being discriminated against, you have had your head in the sand. Really. Your comment is what makes no sense.

          • Liquidus Snake

            It’s almost as if they’re doing their job or something. Do you even know how the judicial branch even works? They interpret laws and deem which are constitutional and what isn’t constitutional and multiple federal judges from both sides agree that denying same sex couples the right to marry is unconstitutional.

            “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,” Ephisians 6:5 What about not knowing about the bible again?

            “and they shall be abhorrent to you; you may not eat of their flesh, and their carcasses you shall detest. ‘Whatever in the water does not have fins and scales is abhorrent to you.” Lev. 11:11-12 Oh hey, another verse that proves my point further.

            Christians are being discriminated against. In Iran. Not in the US. Loosen your tinfoil hat and take a look around you. Denying taxpaying citizens the right to marry their loved one is discrimination and illegal.

          • Chrissy Vee

            ;O~~yaaaaawwwn…. sigh…

          • Liquidus Snake

            There’s no shame in conceding. Britain conceded to the US and still remained one of the most powerful nations in the world.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Oh you ppoor thing.

          • Liquidus Snake

            I live well since the ban on SSM in NC was turned down. I married my husband and am in the process of moving to Raleigh. Sympathy is for those who need it. I don’t need it.

        • JeffreyRO55

          Laws are made all the time that interfere with religion-inspired behavior. That’s why christians can’t stone non-virgin brides, for example, or force Red Lobster restaurants to close down. Religion-inspired behavior, sincerely held or not, is severely curtailed in this country. A good rule of thumb is that religionists’ rights to “practice” their religion stops where other people’s rights kick in.

          • david ramseur

            Actually, every citizen is free to exercise their religious beliefs anywhere at any time in this country. They are free to do this so long as it does not harm the public safety, promote vice, or seek the overthrow of the government. Advocating that marriage should not be redefined does not do any of these things. Standing up for biblical morality as seen in the 10 commandments does not threaten the public safety, nor promote vice, nor seek the overthrow of the government. Therefore, all Christian citizens, whether they work for the government or not, are able constitutionally to practice their religion anywhere in the country at any time.

          • JeffreyRO55

            Exactly. Any citizen can believe whatever he or she wants at any time, free of government persecution. However, religion-inspired conduct is severely curtailed, obviously. Religionists can’t stone non-virgin brides or murder gay people, even though the bible instructs them to do those things. Other limitations abound, generally predicated on normal people’s right to be free of the impact of religionists’ behavior on their lives.

            Christians are always free to hate gay people, teach their children to hate gay people, try to persuade their friends and neighbors and work colleagues to hate gay people (although companies may limit work time used to spread the message of hate). But they are not free to use, say, commercial dealings, to harm gay people, such as denying them service, if their is an anti-discrimination law in place that prohibits such behavior.

          • david ramseur

            You have no idea what you are talking about. I believe in every word of the inerrant Word of God, the Bible. However, it is not binding on me to stone non-virgin brides or to murder gay people. These were civil punishments prescribed for the ancient nation of Israel. While fornication and homosexuality are sinful and destructive, they are not capital crimes in our country. Even in ancient Israel, vigilante justice was wrong. People convicted of crimes had to be proven guilty by witnesses. While the moral law remains for all times and places (10 commandments), the civil laws of ancient Israel as well as the ceremonial laws of ancient Israel are no longer binding. Jesus fulfills all of the requirements of the ceremonial law and America has instituted its own civil law penalties. Therefore, all virtues that Christians stand for, and want to re-introduce into society, are not harmful to the public safety, are not promoting of vice, and are not seeking the overthrow of the U.S. government. Therefore, all of these virtues are constitutional.

          • JeffreyRO55

            I know exactly what I’m talking about. If the Bible represents the inerrant word of God, then you are obligated to stone non-virgin brides and murder gay people.

            It most definitely is not good for society to force children to be raised outside of wedlock, by denying their parents the right to marry. But it does demonstrate the conservative capacity of hatred, and willingness to harm even children, to punish a disliked minority group.

          • Eponymous1

            “then you are obligated to stone non-virgin brides and murder gay people.”

            Which is to say, not to put to fine a point on it, that “you have no idea what you are talking about.”

            Nothing new under the sun.

          • JeffreyRO55

            I get it, you aren’t very familiar with biblical rules and prohibitions. That’s like most Americans. But if you want to apply biblical marital rules to gay people, then you really ought to apply biblical marital rules that apply to straight people.

            You see, the Bible doesn’t apply just to gay people. It also applies to straight people. Ergo, the Bible prohibits non-virgins from getting married. In fact, because God is so offended at the idea of non-virgins marrying, that He commands His true followers to stone non-virgins who get married. As far as adultery, God is so offended by it (and adultery included remarriage after divorce) the He included it in the Ten Commandments, which he gave to Moses. God abhors divorce, too. Did you not know that? Jesus Christ said that divorce “isn’t possible” and although an exception exists in the case of spousal infidelity, it is quite clear that Christ would rather the couple remain together if possible. And some Christian couples with an unfaithful spouse are able to please God, and do just that.

            And yes, all these marriage rules apply to straight people. So it’s odd that some Christian churches want to ban same-sex marriage (about which the bible says nothing), yet support legal pre-marital sex, legal adultery and legal divorce.

            If you are unfamiliar with biblical expectations regarding marriage, why don’t you consult your spiritual leader and ask him or her for advice? And while you’re at it, ask why some Christian churches opposes legal same-sex marriage, but support legal pre-marital sex, legal adultery and legal divorce. It’s a troubling position to take.

          • Eponymous1

            You don’t know the difference between the Old and New Testament, is what you’re saying.

            And you don’t seem to know what either one says, either.

            ” the Bible prohibits non-virgins from getting married.” LOL!! Could you point me to that chapter and verse?

          • JeffreyRO55

            Oh, I get it, you don’t want the Old Testament to apply to you. Good luck with that!

            Do you really think a woman (and be logic, a man) can be a non-virgin and get married?? Are you being serious??

            Deuteronomy 22:13-21

            “13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15 then the girl’s father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl’s father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, buthe dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s
            virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [a] and give them to thegirl’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

            20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.”

          • david ramseur

            It is impossible for a gay couple to have children together. Therefore the out of wedlock children example holds no water. I will say it again, all 100% of the Bible is true, and stoning non virgins is only applicable to citizens of ancient Israel. Murdering gay people is not sanctioned at any time in the Bible. Capital punishment for sodomy was a penalty in ancient Israel, but it does not apply to us today.

      • JeffreyRO55

        I don’t see it as putting faith first, since they didn’t object to performing marriages for fornicators or adulterers, even though those things are prohibited by God’s Word. I think these magistrates are simply putting their personal prejudices first, and, doing so, rendering themselves incapable of serving their communities. Hence my comment.

        • Chrissy Vee

          Oh here we go…. not in the mood, but thanx for the invite to another conversation between two different view points that will not get anywhere. Good grief!

          • JeffreyRO55

            What are the two points of view, in your mind? These magistrates are resigning, claiming that their religious beliefs prevent them from performing same-sex marriages. Yet if they’re religion is presumably Christian, they also can’t enable fornicators to marry (God forbids non-virgins from marrying, unless they are available for marriage because a spouse died), nor can they enable adulterers (that is, people who remarry after a divorce). Not committing adultery is one of the Ten Commandments, in fact.

            Either these magistrates don’t know very much about their religion’s marital requirements (I doubt it) or they are selectively applying biblical marriage rules so that they only apply to gay people. Yet the bible does not say that the rules of marriage apply only to gay people. Scholars tell us that the bible applies to straight people, too, based on historical texts. Obviously, Christian magistrates should not participate in the marriages of fornicators, adulterers and yes, same-sex couples (although same-sex marriage isn’t actually mentioned in the bible, so we really don’t know God’s thinking on it).

          • Chrissy Vee

            I see some points you are making… but all these you mention are between man and woman. There is a reason same sex marriage isn’t mentioned in the Bible… God didn’t create man and woman for that. His Word is very clear on sexual sins. All of them. And homosexuality is listed with incest and bestiality. Also, can you please tell me in the Bible where God forbids non virgins to get married? You meant divorced wives, yes? Also, Jesus said if a man even looks at a woman (or man I suppose) with lust he has commited adultery in his heart. Unless a magistrate wants to go prying into people’s personal lives, God will judge those who do these things that may not be obvious ( fornicators, adulterers and other sexual sins…)
            Homosexual marriage, however, is an obvious, in your face kind of thing. It has also been illegal until recent years. God calls it abominable. He made woman for man. He did that for a reason. Are two men going to procreate? Which of the two is the weaker vessel? What happened to the mother and father in a family? What stress has this caused on children with two mommys or daddys? This twisting of natural affection has led schools and other institutions to saying and actually convincing themselves there is no gender. Can you see what a mess and confusion this is making? Instead of letting children be children, they are now indocrinating LGBT education and mixed/no gender identity to six year olds and in some cases preschool! This will lead to more of the demise and destruction of the God made institute of marriage and family starting at a very young age. IT IS A LIE. IT IS AN AGENDA. (of many that are out to destroy humanity, but that’s another whole thing) I know most homosexuals don’t see this. But some have.
            God will not be mocked. We all (yes, I am of course including myself) will stand before His judgement seat. We all sin against Him. But I won’t dare stand before my God or any person and call my sins acceptable and expect God or his followers to support me. They would really have to hate my soul to let me continue in my sin without warning me. If gays want to be married, knowing they are going to have to stand before their Maker for it, there is no reason why others who stand against it should be forced to be part of it.
            God is love, but he is also our judge. As Christians, we are told to judge sin. It is up to God to judge the sinner. And he is just and righteous. I thank Him for His Word which tells us what is sin and what we must do to be saved from it. I don’t believe calling Him a liar and expecting his acceptace and grace makes any sense at all.
            So no, I do not blame a judge for stepping down or choosing not to be part of this abomination (HIS word). If Christians truly believe they are being faced with a decision that goes against their convictions and their God, they have the right to practice their freedom of religion and step down without the harrassment of the homosexuals and their supporters.
            FTR One of my oldest, dearest friends is gay. So don’t think I am a homophobe. I just do not appreciate the bullying that the LGBT and the ACLU has been demonstrating.
            K.. I am tired and hoped this makes sense. Peace.
            .

  • Demmi Greene

    God,..what a testimony of faith. Sweet Jesus, what men of righteousness in his kingdom!!!.

    • franklinb23

      You didn’t capitalize “his”. I hear Jesus gets really, REALLY ticked off when you demean Him in such a manner. It’s like going in front of Judge Judy and saying “Hey, lady”.

      • Norbert Okumu

        You ears cannot stand sound doctrine

    • Jack C. Hall Jr.

      Haha….if you are being facetious.

      • Demmi Greene

        No, silly wabbit,…I was not.

    • Robby Clewley

      homophobe

      • OverheadPolynomial

        Thought police.

        • Robby Clewley

          homophobe

    • Norbert Okumu

      Yes, sweet testimony indeed. I long to meet them in heaven when everything is over

  • SFBruce

    These magistrates are, of course, free to resign if they feel that’s what their conscience demands, but it strikes me as odd since county officials who perform marriages aren’t in any way conferring their personal approval of the unions for which they officiate. They’re simply carrying out one of their sworn duties for anyone who legally qualifies for marriage in the relevant state. I’m a musician and have played at many, many weddings over the years. While in a few instances, the couple were either friends or family, for the most part I didn’t know the couple at all, but it never occurred to me to do any kind of investigation to determine if I thought marriage was an appropriate path for the couple in question.

    • Syrin

      I don’t think it requires any investigating when Biff and Tad are standing there ready to get married. Show some common sense.

    • OverheadPolynomial

      Hi, I’d like you to meet religious faith. It’s quite different than the secular worldview you are used to.

  • Matthew

    These magistrates should NOT be resigning. They should stand in interposition – defying
    the “higher” authority and taking upon themselves the attacks against
    them. This is needed because it exposes to people the tyranny of the
    “higher” power when they attack the lower magistrates who stand for what is right. LesserMagistrate.com
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Doctrine-Lesser-Magistrates-Repudiation/dp/1482327686/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415041556&sr=8-1&keywords=lesser+magistrate

    • Liquidus Snake

      If they’re not going to resign, they’re going to get fired for not being able to do their job. The only people who’ll look at them as martyrs are people who have no idea how government at the lower levels work. They work for the state, not their religion. If they can’t do their job, they don’t deserve to have it. Plain and simple.

  • pjwung

    I have to admire the courage of their convictions whether others area or disagree. They will pay a rice for adhering to their closely held beliefs. It is also interesting and admirable that many, many gays also reject the homosexual lifestyle feeling that although they truly experience the same sex attraction they refuse to engage it since it is violates their beliefs as being acceptable. These are largely those that are Christian however not all. Some also find the lifestyle hihgly lascivious, unnatural and offensive in the words of one man who said he has been there and done that and now heads a group for ex-gays in whatever context that may be regarless of popular opinion to the contrary many are living a life of restraint in accordance with their deeply held beliefs. In fact so strongly held that the our willing to go against these powerful urges that because of nature, nurture or a combination thereof have caused them to experience desires that in their deeper heart they reject. I find this enormously admirable as well. Please see the following link if interested in learning about homosexuals who in conscience reject the lifestyle and chose to follow their convictions in spite of the internal struggle they face.

    http://www.homosexuals-anonymous.com/

  • http://googlelove.org/ MizKrys

    Praise the Lord for these people. God will take care of them indeed. This is amazing! All thanks, praise, honor and glory to God because He is worthy of it all and I know God will continue to bless them because they “stand firm”, in their love for and of God. Thank You Jesus. The LGBT seem to target the Christians when it comes to this. However, even many unbelievers do not agree with this because even they know it is wrong. The main target has always been the Christians. They can do as they want, no one is stopping them from choosing this lifestyle, but they continue to target “Christian owned businesses” for their so-called weddings and receptions. They have their own so-called ministers and pastors, why don’t they have them perform it? I am sure they would love to do it and they will all have a happy celebration. The people have spoken over and over that they do not believe this is right, but the courts continue to over turn what the people have already decided on. Thank God that there are still people in this world that would take a stand in the truth, than just following like puppets and going along with what these people want. I am praising God for these Magistrates and for all of you who stand for the truth.

    For those who do not believe in God, where ever you are in this world you know the Lord. No one is without excuse. “Anno Domini” [the year of our Lord]. Now, when a person does any transaction, do you not right the year? Ex: 2014 A.D. Anno Domini [the year of our Lord]. Don’t matter where you are in this world, any transaction you do, and you write that date!! no matter the year!!! It is what it is… [the year of the Lord]. Everyone of us know God exist. Many just choose to close their eyes to the truth. But the next time you write that date…. no matter what it is… like today, November 3, 2014 [the year of the Lord] When it changes to 2015, guess what? [the year of the Lord]. Praise the LORD!

  • Liquidus Snake

    These magistrates don’t ask the people who they’re about to marry if they’re atheists or have been married before. I wonder why they’re resigning now when they’ve most likely married what the bible considers adulterers before. Hmm, me thinks these people are a bit hypocritical.

    • Thomas Gutzler

      it’s a don’t ask don’t tell situation, they may not know about the couples who appear before them but it becomes blatantly obvious when its two men or women. I agree that it should not affect them though as they are not personally endorsing such marriages and they do not represent the church. Still it puts them on the spot and they should follow their consciences.

      • Liquidus Snake

        Ans that’s when they should step down when they can no longer in conscience do their job. I respect them for following their beliefs, I don’t however respect them for saying that magistrates should be protected from disobeying the law based on their religion.

  • Frank

    Anyone who says they are a Christian cannot perform one of these fake marriages and still be following God. Anyone who does perform one of these fake marriages needs to repent immediately and come to Jesus. Anyone who says they support these fake marriages and says they are Christian is a liar and the truth is not in them.

    • Liquidus Snake

      American law trumps religious law here. Always been that way in the US. These guys have most likely performed marriages for people who aren’t christian or have been married before. Why aren’t you chastising them for these things?

      • Frank

        You type as if there is a discussion of what I typed. God has the final say and the first say. He has also already spoken. Everything you wrote is irrellevant to what I typed and sadly misinformed.

        • Liquidus Snake

          I’m not christian so your god has no say over my life. Do not think you can infringe on my rights by declaring that your religion is right and mine is wrong. That sounds like a child’s argument and won’t hold any water in a court of law.

          • Frank

            Exactly. You are not a Christian so what you say is irrellevant to what I wrote and the points I was saying. You type as if what you say has some bearing, but again it has none. Sorry. It’s kinda like if you were to walk into the war counsel room and start telling them what to do, if you could even get into the room of course as a commoner of no repute. No insult to you meant but showing the more full comparison.

          • Liquidus Snake

            So because I’m not christian I have no idea what I’m talking about is basically what you’re saying? That’s like saying that because I’m Jewish (which I am) I have no idea what you’re saying. Try harder, please.

          • Frank

            Nope. Because you are not a part of The Family you have no say over family matters. Or because you are not a part of the war counsel you have no say in its matters. Just because you have thoughts and opinions it doesn’t mean they are relevant to something.

          • Liquidus Snake

            So essentially what you’re saying is because you’re not a member of the judicial system, you have no say in what goes on in the judicial process such as the overturning of the SSM ban? Got it. Thanks for clarifying. As you said ” Just because you have thoughts and opinions it doesn’t mean they are relevant to something.”

          • Frank

            I speak of spiritual matters. Something you do not comprehend and for now rightly so. And you still have zero say in what I spoke. Turn away from the world and seek Jesus and His Kingdom, God wil then make things clear to you. But if you don’t seek these things you will never find understanding or eternal life.

  • brandon_71087

    Let these clowns resign and destroy their own livelihoods. If they can’t keep their religious nonsense separate from their real world jobs, they have no business working in the public sphere.

  • justathought22

    could someone please show me where in the Constitution it states that gays have a right to marry? not saying I am for it or against it, but as someone who has read it several times and has not idea where that passage is I was looking for some one to help me out. where exactly is that passage? and as for your racist and bigot comments you can keep them to yourself. you all keep saying it is unconstitutional and I would just like to know where that passage is?

    • Liquidus Snake

      The same place that says heterosexuals have a right to marry. Yeah, where in the constitution does it say that heterosexuals are the only ones who should be allowed to marry? Anyways, it’s an implied clause that was set forth
      by a series of precedents during marriage rulings of the past and also
      the 14th amendment, more specifically in the equal protection clause. It
      does get more complicated and can go farther since there have been 14 previous rulings on marriage, multiple of which further empowered the idea that same sex couples have a right to marry and are protected through the equal protections clause.

      “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in
      matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by
      the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.” – Moore v East Cleveland, 1977

    • jacksonm

      Can you show me in the Constitution where it says marriage is limited to heterosexuals? No, you can’t, because it’s not in there.

    • jacksonm

      Can you show me in the Constitution where it says marriage is limited to heterosexuals? No, you can’t, because it’s not in there.

  • Reason2012

    And as you can see, it was a lie when they said “How will homosexual marriage affect you?!” – google homosexual kindergarten to see as states legalize it, homosexual activists go into all schools to fill all the kids’ minds with images and ideas of homosexuality. Parents are not told and ones that find out are not allowed to opt their kids out of it – “Shut up – it’s legal now” is the response. Remain inactive and this is what your kids and grandkids are subjected to – indoctrination at its finest.

    • Liquidus Snake

      And as you can see, it was a lie when they said “How will heterosexual
      marriage affect you?!” – google heterosexual kindergarten to see as states
      legalize it, heterosexual activists go into all schools to fill all the
      kids’ minds with images and ideas of heterosexuality. Parents are not
      told and ones that find out are not allowed to opt their kids out of it –
      “Shut up – it’s legal now” is the response. Remain inactive and this is
      what your kids and grandkids are subjected to – indoctrination at its
      finest.

      • Alexander Wright

        I admire your persistence with these people. It’s a shame they don’t practice the ‘love thy neighbour’ part of the christian belief.

      • Reason2012

        No one is teaching kids about heterosexuality in kindergarten. And it’s a biological, scientific, observable fact that every single person has one mother and one father – so of course that’s a fact that cannot be ignored. To instead teach 5 year olds about perversions some adults are into is flat out indoctrination.

        • Sha-wei

          Most excellent points you’ve raised, brother, and I daresay, seemingly unassailable, given the hopelessly ineffectual attempt
          at ironic refutation evinced by your opponent above. That person’s comment stands out for its exquisitely NONSENSICAL quality and was advanced, I’m sure, just to oppose for its own sake.

          Congratulations and blessings for your indefatigable defence of godly morals.

  • Robby Clewley

    GOOD. Get those hateful, homophobic judges out of there and put in some judges that uphold the law.

  • Jose

    Finally! Some men with moral!! Although I’ll agree with many people on here saying this isn’t a “christian nation”. Many of our laws do have their rules in scriptures.The treaty of Tripoli and constitution only states that this country doesn’t have one religion it doesnt say it laws aren’t or are christian based. Although the founding fathers were Masonic and some didn’t believe in God the 13 colonies were very much Christian and conservative. And since this govt was built “for the people and BY the people” many of its laws were based on Christianity. And since that statement is still true today (that the govt is by the people) this secular generation is trying to remove any trace of God or the bible (which is extremely obvious). My question to you is, has the world been getting better with your new twisted seclur beliefs? Or is it just turning more corrupt, violent and depraved than from it was when we had our conservative moral, bible based laws?

  • Elli Mussolino Canterbury

    Okay, good. You have to resign because you cannot follow the law. No big loss. Next.

  • Kent Harris

    If the government can force a view such as this what prevents the government from forcing a doctor to perform murder. Wait a minute. They already do.

    • franklinb23

      What are you talking about? Doctors don’t “have to” perform abortions, just as no doctor has to “choose” to become an orthopedist. If no doctor performed abortions, the clinics would close.

    • Liquidus Snake

      Abortion and SSM are two different things. I think you’re on the wrong thread, buddy.

      • Kent Harris

        In 2013, over $500 million dollars of taxpayer dollars went to fund Planned Parenthood a clinic that specializes in abortions. So in essence the government is involved in murder. If I decided not to pay taxes because of abortion do you think Uncle Sam would say no problem? The Federal Government is destroying this country by passing immoral laws. Our government should be overthrown or be destroyed by our enemies.

        • Liquidus Snake

          Again, what does SSM have to do with abortion? Nothing? Wrong thread. Take that pro-life rhetoric elsewhere, this is about marriage.

          • Kent Harris

            Immoral laws like same sex marriage is by every account evil. Why should a judge lose his position over this? Why should schools teach children about accepting LGBT? LGBT is pure evil. L.S. you need to take off your blinders because our country is going down the tubes and you are not helping.

          • Liquidus Snake

            “LGBT is pure evil” “same sex marriage is by every account evil.”

            To whom? Are you speaking for the 56% of those who say differently? SSM isn’t killing this country any more than heterosexual marriage is so loosen that tinfoil hat and tell me again why you think that denying taxpaying citizens, some of whom are veterans should be denied the right to marry.

          • Kent Harris

            Common sense dictates that society benefits from a male/female relationship because they are able to have a family unlike a homosexual union. Homosexuals have a higher rate of noncommital relations than a typical marriage does. Why grant what is not sustainable? If they want to carry out their evil lifestyle just don’t expect the other 44% to go along with it.

          • Liquidus Snake

            “Common sense dictates that society benefits from a male/female relationship because they are able to have a family unlike a homosexual union.” Numerous studies from cerdible scientific organisations prove otherwise. APA is a good start, but there are plenty more. The most famous one being that kids raised with two moms or two dads do just as well as kids raised by heterosexual parents or a mom and dad.

            “Homosexuals have a higher rate of noncommittal relations than a typical marriage does.”

            Uhm, did you make that up on the spot or are you citing relationships and not marriages? Because I can say the same thing about heterosexual relationships being noncommittal and same sex marriages being committal. Does that mean that heterosexuals shouldn’t marry either.

            SSM has nothing to do with heterosexuals as been proven time and time again. They just think they have a right to say what we can and cannot do.

          • Kent Harris

            In a study(1) of 2,000 U.S. and European gays in the 1960s, researchers found that “living by oneself is probably the chief residential pattern for male homosexuals. It provides the freedom to pursue whatever style of homosexual life one chooses, whether it be furtive encounters in parks or immersion in the homosexual subculture. In addition, homosexual relationships are fragile enough to make this residential pattern common whether deliberate or not.”

            A 1970 study in San Francisco(2) found that approximately 61% of gays and 37% of lesbians were living alone.
            In 1977, the Spada Report(3) noted that only 8% of the gays in its sample claimed to have a monogamous relationship with a live-in lover.

            The same year(4) over 5,000 gays and lesbians were asked: “Do you consider or have you considered yourself ‘married’ to another [homosexual]?” Only 40% of lesbians and 25% of gays said “yes.” The authors noted that with “gay male couples, it is hard to even suggest that there are norms of behavior. [One] might expect to find a clear pattern of ‘categories’ emerging from the answers to the questions about lovers, boy friends, and relationships. In fact, no such pattern emerged.”

            In the early 1980s, a large non-random sample(5) of almost 8,000 heterosexual and homosexual couples responded to advertisements in alternative newspapers. The average number of years together was 9.8 for the married, 1.7, for cohabiting heterosexuals, 3.5 for the gay couples, and 2.2 for the lesbian couples.

          • Liquidus Snake

            I Googled the Spada Reoprt. It’s a small book that isn’t respected nor credible in the scientific and sociology field. Have you tried a source that isn’t obscure and outdated? Maybe something that someone can take seriously and perhaps a name that people have trusted before?

          • Kent Harris

            L.S. why not accept facts? Homosexuals are not capable of marriage. It is a fundamental fact that marriage is between a man and a woman. If you wish to accept a lie that is your right. I am not going to convince you that it is evil and is detrimental to our society.

          • Liquidus Snake

            I’m married. I’m definitely capable of marriage otherwise my local magistrate it wouldn’t have happened. That is no lie. I am living proof that that marriage is not and should not be exclusive to a man and woman. Saying homosexuality and SSM is detrimental is pretty far fetched considering you’re using a computer that is based off of a homosexual’s invention and that plenty of people have been raised by same sex couples and turned out fine. You just don’t understand an issue which doesn’t involve you as a heterosexual, but still want to chime in like your opinion which is based on a noncredible source as a valid basis for invalidating my marriage and the potential for future same sex marriages is all. It is not.

          • Gary

            You are not married. I don’t care what your local magistrate did, or what the government recognizes. Millions of us do not recognize you as being married.

          • Liquidus Snake

            Well, the upshot is, it doesn’t matter whether you think I’m married or not. You do not know me. I am married and the US recognises my marriage. That’s what matters to me, not the opinions of millions of strangers who have no bearing on my life and what I do. That’s the beauty of American law.

          • Gary

            The US government might recognize your marriage, but no Christians do.

          • Liquidus Snake

            My cousin is christian and he definitely recognises my marriage all the same.

          • Gary

            Your cousin is not a Christian. Christians never recognize ssm as real marriage.

          • jacksonm

            Now you speak for 1 billion people?

            Wow, we all must have missed the memo that gave you that right.

            Does the Pope know about this?

          • Gary

            The Pope is not a Christian, and I don’t know what the Pope knows. No real Christian accepts ssm as being valid in any way.

          • Alexander Wright

            Right, so actually you are part of some tiny sect of Christianity, that opposes SSM.
            Yes, I’m sure there are a lot of your neighbours who agree with you, but the reality is you are a tiny number compared with the larger number who call themselves Christian, let alone the even larger number who call themselves human.

          • jacksonm

            Christians can’t give us legal rights. Your acceptance means squat.

            7 billion people on the planet. SIX billion don’t practice your religion.

            That means that the overwhelming majority of the planet does not agree with your religious views.

            Do you care? If not, then you’ll “get it” as to why we don’t care about Christian acceptance.

          • Gary

            Then everything should be fine as long as Christians are not required to approve and accept ssm. Trouble is, we have already seen that Christians are gong to be required to accept and approve of ssm. And that is intolerable.

          • jacksonm

            Since my marriage license does not say “not valid unless approved by Gary”, I don’t really need you to approve anything, do I?

          • Gary

            Maybe you don’t. But if you are involved in a ssm, it will not be recognized by any Christian in the world.

          • jacksonm

            How is “homosexuals are not capable of marriage” even remotely a fact????

          • Gary

            A marriage must consist of a man, who is the husband, and a woman, who is the wife. Any other arrangement is not a real marriage, regardless of whether the participants are homosexual or heterosexual.

          • Kent Harris

            Homosexuals seem to insist because they are involved in debauchery they feel it a necessity to force this view down our throats and say it is good. Pardon me if I don’t agree. Evil seems to try to incite or enjoy antagonizing people of faith. Marriage is and always will be between a man and a woman inspite of what some liberal crackpot wants to call it. Christians don’t have to accept your behavior and neither does God. Sodom and Gomarrah was destroyed because of it. If you doubt this check Jude 1:7. So stop trying to equate your illicit behavior to that of a husband and wife. Perverts don’t deserve recognition but shame.

          • jacksonm

            When the heterosexual divorce rate is over 50%, you really cannot make a compelling case about the quality of heterosexual marriages.

          • jacksonm

            And when you can show that **********ANYONE********** on the planet is trying to outlaw heterosexual marriage, you might have a point.

            But, seeing as same sex marriage does not, in any way, shape or form, prohibit, inhibit, or alter heterosexual marriage in any way, your argument is meaningless.

        • jacksonm

          More hypocrisy from the party that says it’s about less government, unless it pertains to something we don’t like, then let the government get involved like crazy.

        • jacksonm

          More hypocrisy from the party that says it’s about less government, unless it pertains to something we don’t like, then let the government get involved like crazy.

  • franklinb23

    So does this mean one can’t be a divorce lawyer and a Christian? Or does God only care about gay marriage?

    After all:

    Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”

    (Matthew 5:32, Matthew 19:9)

    Malachi 2:16 “I hate divorce!” says the LORD, the God of Israel. “

  • Jack C. Hall Jr.

    I’m so proud to see these men recognize their inability to fulfill their professional and ethical duties. They have admitted that they can not represent all citizens with fairness and respect and they have stepped down, good for them. Everything happens for a reason and God will see to it that these people are replaced by Christ-like people who love their neighbors as themselves.

  • Gary

    I wish these magistrates would force the government to fire them rather than resign. Offer some resistance to the immoral laws. If they are asked to officiate a ssm, couldn’t they say, “I will work it into my schedule when I can.” Then just keep stalling. It is routine for the courts to schedule things for the convenience of the judges and lawyers. If they keep stalling, the “happy couple” will likely go to someone else to “marry” them.

    • Liquidus Snake

      They don’t want to be fined over $1,000 and sent to jail to six months. Obviously they don’t follow the lord well enough to commit martyrdom for their religion when the opportunity arises. And them stalling when everyone knows the magistrate’s job requires them to be able to marry on the spot, then they’ll like be arrested and effectively fired. People know how the job goes and failing to do them means they should either step down or get fired and arrested for not following the law.

      • Gary

        The job requires them to stop whatever they are doing and “marry” people on the spot? Well, I don’t know if that is true, or not, but I doubt it is. My experience with the “legal system” has been very different. I have never had a judge deal with me “on the spot”.

        • Liquidus Snake

          When they are in office which 90% of the time, they are, it does. Exceptions include using the bathroom and lunch of course. From my experience getting married, my magistrate didn’t hesitate and even though he disagreed with SSM, he still performed the marriage no problem and we all went on with our day.

          • Gary

            The magistrate who “married” you didn’t disagree with ssm. If he had, he would not have “married” you. And you aren’t married anyway. A real marriage requires both a husband and a wife.

          • Liquidus Snake

            How would you know? Did you ask him? Were you there as a witness to my wedding? Then you wouldn’t know. We before the wedding and it kind of slipped out, but said that just because he disagrees doesn’t mean it will interfere with his duty as a magistrate. He’s a man of faith, but he’s also a man with a job. And saying my marriage isn’t real is your opinion and that’s fine, I don’t care what you think. Go ahead, but according to the United States of America and the state of North Carolina in which I was married in, my husband and I are bound by marriage and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.

          • Gary

            If he really disagreed with ssm, he would never have performed the fake marriage. Christians will not consider you to be married. And you cannot be a husband unless you have a wife, which you don’t have.

          • Liquidus Snake

            He voted for Amendment One and told me he’s going to vote Thom Tilis, the guy heading the fight against SSM. I think that speaks for itself, but again, you weren’t there so stop trying to tell me what went on and what someone you don’t believes. Are you a child or something?

          • Gary

            No, you are not a Christian. And you are not qualified to instruct anyone on how to practice Christianity. The magistrate who “married” you is a hypocrite. His actions prove he is willing to act against what he claims he believes.

          • EastOldWest

            Haha oh that soon funny. Not really married. This Country think so.

          • wait for flash

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  • Gene Hughes

    These judges are toast. They had the audacity to openly state their beliefs. You will notice that none of them said anything hateful towards homosexuals. They didn’t criticize them, they didn’t ridicule them. They simply said that their religious beliefs went against what they were being ordered to do. Now watch the hateful comments that will fly. Why? Simply because they have a difference of opinion than those who support homosexuals.

    • Liquidus Snake

      I don’t care. I’m a married homosexual who respects their opinion and their ability to step down when unable to their job due to religious differences. My respect for them diminishes though when they try to support a law that protects magistrates that violate the law and their ability to do their job when it conflicts with their religion.

      • Gary

        You don’t have any respect for any magistrate who opposes homosexuality and ssm. Or any other person who does.

        • Liquidus Snake

          You know nothing of my respect for people. You just made a random assumption based upon the fact that I’m homosexual and that’s pretty low for someone who admitted to not having much knowledge of the legal system.

  • Syrin

    Remember the sacred separation of church and state liberals shriek about any time a gov’t official mentions Christmas? Yeah, see there isn’t a law saying gov’t officials can’t be religious, they just can’t have a state religion. BUT, and the Founding Fathers made this point very clear, the law was there to prevent the gov’t from dictating what churches should or shouldn’t do. Where is the hypocritical ACLU now? Christians are under attack. You are better off coming out as a butt slammer than you are as a Christian.

    • Liquidus Snake

      I think the people shrieking about Christmas are mainly people who aren’t Christian and includes, but is not limited to: Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc. as they’d rather talk about politics and solve issues plaguing the nation instead of trying to focus on Christmas everytime it nears. And the US doesn’t have an official state religion for any state and has been that way since 1833. Christians are under attack alright, in the Middle East. Not in the US. And “butt slammers” is pretty vague since plenty of heterosexuals could be considered “butt slammers” as well.

    • jacksonm

      The Founding Fathers didn’t want women to vote. Are you advocating that as well, or are you cherry picking the constitution just like you cherry pick the bible?

      • Gary

        Where in the US Constitution does it say ssm is a right? No where. It is being called a right by incompetent, immoral judges who are lying about the US Constitution.

    • jacksonm

      The Founding Fathers didn’t want women to vote. Are you advocating that as well, or are you cherry picking the constitution just like you cherry pick the bible?

    • Ralph Spoilsport

      Where is the hypocritical ACLU now? Christians are under attack.

      No, they aren’t.

      Public officials have to fulfill their legal duties, regardless of their own religious feelings — to do otherwise forces members of the public to follow the public official’s religion instead of their own.

      The judges, to their credit, have resigned because they don’t want to perform same-sex marriages.

      Nobody’s religious rights have been violated in this.

  • James Grimes

    Sad to see that they have been forced to resign because they would have to compromise their ethics and glad to see that they will not give in to Atheists and to those who do not have ethical standards. We know that if we hold true to what the Bible teaches, we will always be in the right.

    • Liquidus Snake

      Pretty much anyone who isn’t christian, yeah?If you hold true to what American law teaches, you would know not to violate other people’s first amendment rights by trying to legislate laws based on religion.

      • Gary

        There is no right in the US Constitution to ssm. I have read the Constitution, and no such right is found there.

        • Liquidus Snake

          You have read the constitution, but yet you say nothing about the laws that infringe upon my first amendment right such as bans on SSM. My religion says SSM is fine, why make laws that violate my right to practise my religion freely which is a direct violation of the first amendment?

          • Chrissy Vee

            Your rights do not supercede a Christians right to stand with God. Christians are being jailed and fined because our freedom of speech is being oppressed by homosexuals, atheists and murderers. So its actually two fold because our freedom of speech and practicing our religion is being taken away. Meanwhile the rights of all mentioned above are being exalted and accepted over us because apparently their “rights” are more important. (actually I think the word is “relevant”.) So what is your problem? The fact that we support our brothers and sisters in Christ? The fact we are trying to stand for our rights before we lose them altogether? (which is going to happen anyway not only because it already started, but because that fact is also in His Bible)

          • Liquidus Snake

            “Your rights do not supersede a Christians right to stand with God.”

            Your rights do not supercede mine as that would violate the first amendment, that’s as layman as it gets. . It doesn’t matter what you believe, it so plainly states in a certain precedent that your rights end where mine begin. I could care less about what your religion says so long as it doesn’t violate the law, but here you are trying to tell me otherwise as if your religion supersedes US law which is clearly doesn’t. It’s been proven time and time again the your religion isn’t above the law. So go ahead and support your friends in Christ, that has nothing to do with me but the moment you overstep your boundaries and try to dictate how to live my life using your religion, then we’re going to have a big problem. Stop forcing your religion on me. It’s getting pathetic and no judge in the United States of America supports you trying to force your Christianity upon the masses who don’t believe.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I can tell you are one of those people who talk but don’t listen, You are way into your anger and being right. Chill out and stop debating with Christians if you can’t handle the truth. You keep talking in circles and I for one am dizzy. Really, I’m done. Good night. Go get some rest.

          • Liquidus Snake

            You’re right. I grow tired of those who hide behind their religion as a basis for violating American law. Take your leave and so will I. I can see here that you are not a law abiding citizen of the US.

          • Chrissy Vee

            LMAO! Are you for real? You are a riot. Really. Now go to sleep! You’re obviously overtired. GO!

          • Gary

            I don’t mind if you have some sort of religious thing whereby you get “married”. I object to the government sanctioning that. I don’t think it should be illegal for you to pretend you are married. I object to the government recognizing that pretense.

        • Chrissy Vee

          I am so fighting myself not to ask what “religion” Snake is because I actually fear his answer.

          • Liquidus Snake

            My religion is none of your business. The question isn’t what my religion is, the question is why do you guys support infringing on my right o freely practise it? That is a clear violation of the first amendment and a felony yet you two seem to have no problem with it. I hope you anti-gay people remembered to thank Alan Turing before using his inventions.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Yeah, well, you seem to be putting your business all over the place here. Your “religion” (whatever it may be) is a false one and Satanic, because anything besides Salvation through Jesus Christ is false. Anyone living in sin will gladly follow the religion that allows them to practice it. I am sorry if that hurts your pride, but it is the truth. Not one thing I just stated in not in the Holy Bible.

          • Liquidus Snake

            “Your “religion” (whatever it may be) is a false one”

            Do you usually go to strangers who believe in a different religion and flat out tell them that they’re wrong? I bet you feel pretty safe to say that behind a screen at home, eh? And funny, your religion specifically states not to judge others and here you are, judging me like you’re your religion’s god. How “christian” of you.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I do. But typically it’s in love. My feathers are a little bit ruffled right now. haha But God’s word says it and I am not ashamed of it, behind a screen or not. And please, don’t mention what the Bible says without any understanding of it. The Bible clearly states that we are to judge sin. In ourselves, in our fellow brothers and sisters and in the world. If people do not know they are sinning, how are they to find Salvation and repent from it?
            It baffles me when people who have no wisdom, knowledge and understanding of God and His Word and His commandments think they can preach to Christians about them. I will never think I am a god. I just havesome God given wisdom as his follower. I am filled with the holy Spirit whpo is my witness. Again if you are offended it is your own conscience and pride that is doing it.

      • James Grimes

        LOL. I’m not interested.

  • James Grimes

    The Atheists’ rants here, and there are many, are quite entertaining. Maybe they should stick to what the article has said???

  • jacksonm

    They want to give up their power, great. Cut your nose to spite your face.

  • Evolution is a fact

    Good riddance, you intolerant bigots.

  • Gatorlaw92

    They should jus sue for an injunction, upholding their rights to religious freedom, to not be forced to officiate same sex marriages. Nobody, even an office holder, can be required to perform a duty that violates a core tenet of their religion. It would be like requiring judges to work on Sundays. See Sherbert v. Verner, US sup ct case, where a law can not impinge on a core religious value of the individual.

    • Alexander Wright

      What about the religious freedom of those wishing to get married?