Liberty University Student Editor Raises Concern After Calling for ‘Common Ground’ With Homosexuals

RNS-GOINS-PHILLIPSLYNCHBURG, Va. — An editor of Liberty University’s student newspaper is raising concern after releasing an article that calls upon Christians and homosexuals to find “common ground.”

“Common ground is what makes the world continue to move, grow and advance,” wrote Tre Goins-Phillips, opinion editor of The Liberty Champion, named after the university’s motto “Training Champions for Christ.”

His comments were in response to an opinion piece written by Apple’s Tim Cook and published by Bloomberg Businessweek, in which Cook came out as a homosexual.

“While I have never denied my sexuality, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now,” he wrote. “So let me be clear: I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me.”

“Being gay has given me a deeper understanding of what it means to be in the minority and provided a window into the challenges that people in other minority groups deal with every day. It’s made me more empathetic, which has led to a richer life,” Cook continued. “[I]f hearing that the CEO of Apple is gay can help someone struggling to come to terms with who he or she is, or bring comfort to anyone who feels alone, or inspire people to insist on their equality, then it’s worth the trade-off with my own privacy.”

According to reports, Cook is the first openly homosexual CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

Following the publication of the piece, Goins-Phillips published his own commentary, stating that Cook’s views on sexual identity were “thoughtful and refreshing.”

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In an article published by Religion News Service, Goins-Phillips pointed to Cook’s remarks stating that a person “is not defined only by one’s sexuality, race, or gender,” and asked that people embrace him rather for the interests and abilities that he possesses.

“In a time of adamant activism and partisan politicking, Cook’s words seem to be a rare commodity,” he wrote. “With pro-gay, anti-gay, and I-don’t-know-yet-gay groups advocating for one thing or another, the individual lives behind these labels of sexual orientation have been lost.”

“This is not to say that one’s sexual choices and orientations are unimportant. Because they are. They just do not, or should not, box us in, hold us back, or shut us down,” Goins-Phillips continued. “These individuals are human beings first—intellectuals first, entrepreneurs first, engineers first, visionaries first, artists first.”

He then contended that it is important that those who have differing opinions about homosexuality find common ground.

“Cook gets it,” the editor from what is stated to be the world’s largest Christian university said. “He understands the weight of his announcement. He understands its importance, but also sees that there are things in this life of even greater importance—what it means to be human.”

Dr. Paul Michael Raymond
Dr. Paul Michael Raymond

But some have expressed concern over Goins-Phillips’ comments and progressive tone, including Dr. Paul Michael Raymond of New Geneva Christian Leadership Academy and Reformed Bible Church in Appomatox, Virginia.

“The common ground that we are to have with homosexuals is the gospel,” he told Christian News Network. “If they reject the gospel, then we are to reject them and pray that they repent—and it is possible that they do so, as Paul the apostle had many in the Church of Corinth who were repentant [former] homosexuals, effeminate individuals, and they were sanctified and experienced the grace of God.”

“We don’t have to be unkind to them or hateful or smearing—I don’t think that’s the right approach—but we do have to be steadfast in our doctrine and in our belief when it comes to their practice,” Raymond continued. “We out-and-out say, ‘No, I’m sorry, this is against God’s law and I pray that you see the error of your ways,’ but we cannot have real intimate fellowship with [them] or tolerate sin.'”

He said that he found Goins-Phillips’ assertions to be like those of many professing Christians today—rooted in humanism rather than Scripture.

“The Christian community is trying to think from a humanistic standpoint. They have failed to look through the eye of God upon what is happening in their world,” Raymond stated. “Their worldview is tweaked, corrupted and twisted by these humanistic vantage points. … Maybe this student’s words aren’t precise enough where he’s [really] saying, ‘We shouldn’t condemn them; we should preach the gospel to them,’ but … I just don’t believe it.”

The pastor and Bible teacher further expressed his concern with the current state of American Christianity.

“The culture is the report card of the Church, and we have failed,” he declared. “I think we not only have a collapse in the culture, but we have an ultimate graveyard spiral in the Church and in so-called Christian universities.”

Liberty University is not new to controversy surrounding the issue of homosexuality. As previously reported, The Atlantic published an essay last year written by Liberty University graduate Brandon Ambrosino, in which the former student outlined his personal experience of coming out as a homosexual on campus.

“When people find out I underwent therapy at Jerry Falwell’s Christian college, they assume I went through something like gay reparative therapy. But that isn’t what happened,” he wrote in the piece, entitled “Being Gay at Jerry Falwell’s University.” “I saw two counselors at Liberty … and neither of them ever expressed an interest in ‘curing’ me. Did they have an agenda? Yes. Their goal, which they were very honest about, was to help me to like myself, and to find peace with the real Brandon.”

Ambrosino went on to enroll as a graduate student in Liberty’s seminary program.

Liberty also defended itself after it was revealed that a homosexual activist had been hired to choreograph its “Mary Poppins” production earlier this year. As previously reported, New York-based artist and photographer Geoffrey Goldberg was hired by Alluvion Stage Company, an arm of the university’s Department of Theater Arts, to work with students for the production.

“He was hired based on his professionalism and his talent like everyone else,” artistic director Linda Nell Cooper told Christian News Network. “[His homosexual advocacy] never came up in the conversation, nor would it have. … We do not ask about their personal life.”

“The choreographer in question is an independent contractor, supplied to the university through a third party association … who has never applied for employment at Liberty University and has never been an employee of Liberty,” Johnnie Moore, the Senior Vice President of Communications for Liberty University, also wrote in a statement. “Liberty has never required vendors who provide goods and services to the university to adhere to the university’s doctrinal beliefs.”


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  • RileyN

    I would say in response to his “reasoning” then if we should not define them by their sexuality, WHY do they define themselves by it and “come out” as gay? If they kept it to themselves, it is between them and God but the fact of the matter is that they push it into everyone’s face and want everyone to accept it as okay. Well, it’s not okay. And I am not their judge; however, God is and that should terrify them.

    • Thomas Collins Jr June

      Correct RileyN, I don’t go around pronouncing my self “Hey my name is Tom and I’m a Heterosexual”, I may introduce myself as a Catholic or Catholic Christian, but sexuality IMHO, is not the greatest gift from God, I believe it’s Jesus, his son my redeemer is the greatest gift from God.

      • Stevie Borkuss

        Too bad for you. Catholicism is much much worse thing then homosexuality. Homosexuals sin against themselves, and their partners. But Catholics pervert Gospel. Only common ground they might have is ending up in hell. Every denomination of false Christians will have common ground with homosexuals in burning fires of hell. But Catholicism and other forms of twisted Gospel are much greater sin than any sin a worldly man can commit, including homosexuality. So I guess fire roasting Catholics should be much hotter. Anyways, Catholics endorse homosexuality by unnatural form of priesthood. Being Catholic also means you go along with atheistic theories of Big Bang and Evolution.
        It wont’ be long before Catholic Church acknowledges homosexuality and abortion as “good”. They won’t lose any membership over it because their members are not there for Jesus. But are there against Him. I am often confused when I see Catholics criticize homosexuals because their hole church is nothing less then a paradise of homosexuality. How blind you must be? Such stupor…I however know that God gives strong delusions to those who don’t love truth. And truth is sooooooooo obvious.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          You gotta be kidding

        • Thomas Collins Jr June

          In your dreams Heretic, I call you that as you must be one of those Right Wing Fundamentalist/Pentecostal/Evangelicals the way you speak about Catholics. I grew up in the Church of God of Prophecy, a Pentecostal church referred to as Holy Rollers by others, they too called Catholics vile names from their pulpit. I got out of there early, at 16 because not once did I ever feel the presence of God like I do whenever I enter a Catholic Church for Mass. The liberal media love to misinterpret the things said by Pope Francis and try to read between the lines, you will never see SSM in a Roman Catholic Church. May God forgive you for your hate and malice against the True Apostolic Catholic Church, our history is 2000 years old going back to Jesus himself, not about 500 years to a mad Martin Luther. God Bless and drop to your knees and pray forgiveness to your blasphemy you preach against Christ’s Church.

          • William Mazeo

            Well Stevie was a bit offensive but… come to Brazil to see Catholic church celebrating their wood statues promoting music shows with sexual content and semi naked women dancing on the stage. They also pray to “bless” events of groups that worship the devil and make very very disgustin rituals. They “bless” Carnaval events and say it’s ok to go there and prostitute yourself as long as on the wednesday after the party ends you go to a church to tell the priest the wrong things you did… check some studies about Catholic churches.. or better yet, read the Bible and compare some of their teaching. Try to find some stuff Vatican is doing and some things that is pretty clear they plan to “rewrite” their religion… nuff said.

          • Matthew

            Thank you for sticking your thoughts out. As a fellow Catholic, I am proud that I don’t stand alone on this.

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            Welcome Matthew. I converted in 2000 to Catholicism, I was a Presbyterian for 5 years in the 90s but when I saw the Paganism and changing of doctrine to satisfy the societal wants I withdrew from that mess and came to the True Church founded by Jesus himself. God Bless.

          • Ruth

            NO HE DIDNT!!!!!!!

          • Bruce Morrow

            So sad you joined a false religion. I came out of Romanism.

          • Ruth

            How can the catholic church go back to Jesus? He WASN’T catholic!! God didn’t call the cath. church into being–man did that. Two r three hundred years AFTER the destruction of the Jewish temple is when the “church came into being.. A lot of people think that just because their pastor OR priest says something, then God is for it. W/O even going to Him about it. God dies not have to except ANYTHING that man says. The cath. church IS NOT the true church. How can it be when they don’t teach what the Bible says. It isn’t blasphemy to preach against evil. AND what you may feel in some of these cath. churches–I don’t really believe is from God. When I speak against the cath. church–I don’t do it out of hate. I just don’t like it that some, susposely “men” of God is leading people into hell. That man can’t get you into heaven, no matter what he tells you to do. There is ONLY ONE WAY to heaven–& that is through Jesus—NO OTHER. I’m just sorry that you & millions are being mislead. I ray that the good Lord will open the eyes of your understanding, before it is too late.

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            Matthew 16:15-18

            15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, a“You are bthe Christ, cthe Son of dthe living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, e“Blessed are you, fSimon Bar-Jonah! For gflesh and blood has not revealed this to you, hbut my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, iyou are Peter, and jon this rock2 I will build my church, and kthe gates of lhell3 shall not prevail against it.

            Ruth if you need further explaination read

            http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/the-protestant-achilles-heel

            God Bless.

          • Bruce Morrow

            Christ Jesus is THE ROCK not Peter. Peter means STONE (petros) and Jesus is THE ROCK (petra)!

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            One final thing Ruth, yes, Catholics are taught that the only way to be saved is through Christ, at Mass we take the Eucharist (one of our Holy Sacraments) dead serious, taking the Blood of Christ and Body of Christ is the most important part to me. You rant against the RCC like I use to hear as a child and teen in the Church of God of Prophecy, they too talk in vile language about Catholics, “Worshiping the Great Whore” or “Idol Worshipers” or “Mackerel Munchers” I heard it all. It was one of many reasons I left the Pentecostals and Protestants all together. I’m proud to be a Roman Catholic, the only one on both sides of my family. We worship God, Christ and the Holy Spirit as the Trinity and the Catholic Church is ecumenical with any other faith that believes the same. God Bless, and hey, stop the Anti Catholic Rhetoric…it isn’t nice and goes against the Love your Brother as you love yourself as Jesus said in the Bible.

          • Bruce Morrow

            Romanism is NOT Christianity. Yes I dare call the false Roman Catholic Church a false religion.

          • Courtney Day

            I hate to break it to you sir, but being a fundamentalists means that you follow the Word of God and the Word of God only, not what a man says, or what tradition teaches, but what the Holy Scripture teaches. That’s why a few months ago, the Pope said that fundamentalists were dangerous, that’s right we are, we know who you are and what you represent.

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            Courtney, nothing you can tell me about Fundamentalism Christianity. I was raised in such a church from cradle to age 17 when I finally broke away. No movies, very little TV, no rock music, had to attend church 4x a week including all day Sunday, women not allowed to cut their hair, no jewelry I know the whole 9 yards. And you know what, they preach a doctrine not of loving one’s brother but talk down any other faith or belief that isn’t them. You can’t tell me they are the True Way, been there done that. There are good and bad people in every Christian Faith. I’m glad I left and became a Roman Catholic, at least we can trace our history back 2000 years, not 50 or 100 or 500 years as most Protestant faiths do.

          • Courtney Day

            You are absolutely right in regards that the Roman Catholic church can trace their roots back 2000 years, this is the same Roman Catholic system that the title of their Pope is Christ here on earth, this is the same system that the dark ages refers to. This is the same system that one confesses their sins to a man instead of Jesus Christ himself, this is the same system that the Protestant Reformation came out of, this is the same system that that cast down the Heaven Sanctuary, this is the same system that changed the Ten commandments, that system that you say you are proud of, this is the same system that believes in Baptizing infants. Yes, this is the system that believes in the immortality of the soul, yes this system will cause billions to be lost.

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            One other thing I forgot, I was taught the literal 6,000 YO earth and to ignore all science that disproves that also. If anyone believes this nonsense, well, God Bless their ignorance, one day God willing, they will open their eyes that not only did God create everything, he did it in his timeline not what we call time.

        • Matthew

          The Catholic church was the first church. All others are denominations to allow loose sins, pleasures, and defamation’s of the original scripture.

          • Ruth

            No–the first “church” were the Messianic Jews. I don’t think that it became a “church” until a couple hundred yrs. after the Jews were kicked out.

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            Ruth, the Messianic Jewish movement did “officially” begin until the 1960’s-70’s, the Catholic Church was “ofifcially”formed in the 3rd century.

      • wandakate

        Thomas Collins Jr June: Homosexuality is NOT a gift from GOD, it’s a curse and a bondage from satan…They MUST confess, repent, and forsake that sin or they will never go to the Kingdom of GOD…

        • Thomas Collins Jr June

          I never said it was a gift from god, the person in the article claimed it was and I disagreed with him. God Bless. And by the way Christ himself will judge us one by one so only he know who will be saved or not, I don’t think our judging someone will.

    • Natalie Anderson

      I believe one day they will not feel the need to share their sexuality – but right now it is a factor so they share it. More and more Christians are expressing this challenge in their life, we need to love them. Of course they are held to the same standards as us all (God wont give me a pass for my temper simply because I’m a red head) but we will all grow out of our weaknesses through love only. We must help one another, and build each other up – expecting the best and forgiving the human flaws in us all. I know I too have felt bitterness at all the attacks and shoving in my face, but I believe this article was written too for them, to help encourage them to also be loving and understanding of us.

    • Steven Resnick

      Such incredibly ignorant comments and Riley you seem to think that we live in a perfect world.

      Guess what? We do not.

      There are youth being tormented on a daily basis for being/looking/acting gay. Some are, some aren’t.

      Constant verbal attacks, bullying doesn’t help. What’s the statistic of Gay youth committing suicide or is that a mythical number to you Riley since you again live in a fantasy world?

    • wandakate

      RILEYN: I think they are more concerned about the lust of the flesh than they are worrying about whether they will or will not go to the Kingdom of GOD…Their bodies and their sinful lust is too much for them to bear. They aren’t able to get a grip on it apparently.

  • Neiman

    This is a sign of the times, Jesus condemned the first two churches in Revelations Two for their permitting sexual immorality in the Church, for their condoning licentious sexual behavior; and, it is also a sign of the Laodicean Church, which is the End Times Apostate Church. Most of the organized Christian Church has increasingly and will soon completely compromise with the World and deny God’s Word and the entire organized Christian Church will soon be apostate and rejected by God.

    Every true Christian can and should sincerely love gays, pray for them and seek their salvation; but as long as they are unrepentant and they willfully continue in their God condemned sexual lifestyle choice and pollute the Church with their sexual dissipation, they should not be welcomed as part of the Christian Church, they should not be welcomed as brothers and sisters in Christ, as they are not repentant and they do not hate their sexual sins. That does not mean that many homosexuals will not or cannot repent, turn from their wicked rejection of God’s Word by their sexual degeneracy and be saved or that once saved, they will not continue to struggle with their deviant sexual desires and need the advocacy of Christ to wash them from those sins. But, unrepentant, not hating their homosexual desires and conduct, they simply cannot possibly be part of the Body of Christ.

    From Christians singers, to Christian universities, to pastors in mainline denominations, including the RCC, we are daily hearing of their perverting God’s Word and deceiving many into believing one can be an unrepentant homosexual and be part of the Body of Christ, which is heresy and an abomination.

    • Gary

      I disagree with what you underlined.

      • Neiman

        God so loved the whole world, He gave His Son to pay for all their sins and extended His invitation to salvation to “whosoever” will, a most blessed all-inclusive word. He loves homosexuals as part of the whole world and includes them in “whosoever.”

        God saved me despite all my gross sins of mind and body, He saved Paul who was an accomplice to those that murdered Christians, He saved Peter who rejected Jesus at the most crucial hour, He wants to save everyone, including homosexuals, if they repent, turn from their sins which He calls idolatry and genuinely accepts Jesus as their Savior and Lord.

        • Gary

          I believe homosexuals never repent and believe the Gospel.

          • William Mazeo

            They do. If you look for it you’ll find. I’ve seen some very extreme cases of ex transexuals that are now saved, removed all the trash from their lives, spent a lot of money to remove the silicons, etc and are now real men used by God. Many are married and have kids.

          • Gary

            Sorry, but I don’t buy it.

          • William Mazeo

            Well if you “don’t buy it” you don’t believe God then because He is powerful enough to save and change anyone and any situation. You really need to get close to some people to see what God did in their lives or using their lives.

          • Gary

            I believe God CAN do anything He WANTS to do. I do not believe God WANTS to save homosexuals. And that is why He doesn’t.

          • Demopublicrat

            “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.”
            2Peter 3:9

          • Gary

            That verse applies to those who are saved, and those who will be saved. It does not apply to the general population. If God was not willing that ANY should perish, none would. There would be nobody in Hell.

          • Demopublicrat

            “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.” John 3:17

          • Gary

            The world was already condemned when Christ arrived. See John 3:18. Only those who repent of their sins and believe on Christ are saved, and everyone else suffers the just punishment for their own sins. See John 3:36.

          • Demopublicrat

            Does that exclude homosexuals? No it doesn’t.

          • wandakate

            GARY: We are born in sin. We are lost from the beginning. We grow up and make a conscious decision as to whether we will or will not accept the salvation that the LORD offers to us. So yes, the world was already condemned when He arrived. And again, yes only those who repent of their sins and believe on JESUS are saved, and everyone else (who made their own decisions) will suffer the punishment for their own sins. They do meet their own fate, whatever that may be. So, this are agree on…

          • Ruth

            God dosen’t want anyone to perish—-BUT He gives us free will. It is up to us as to how we live. But God will help us when we ask Him to.

          • Ruth

            God dosen’t want anyone to perish—-BUT He gives us free will. It is up to us as to how we live. But God will help us when we ask Him to.

          • wandakate

            GARY: Again I would disagree because people have a free will to make their own choices. People who are saved want to be saved, and those who do not are not saved. GOD wants all to be saved, however he does give them a choice, they is not twisting their arm. The door is open, but they must make that choice. It’s Heaven or hell, those are our choices. They both lead to eternity, one leads to everlasting life and the other to everlasting damnation.

          • William Mazeo

            You gotta read the Bible.

          • Gary

            I have read the Bible. When I read Romans chapter one, I learned that God gives people up to homosexuality.

          • Ruth

            God gives people up when they REFUSE to repent & change. When they WANT to live their lifestyle–whatever it is.

          • wandakate

            GARY: THAT just means that they have a right to make their own choice. Yes, if that is what they chose they he will let it be, they have decided their fate.

          • wandakate

            GARY: I would have to disagree with that. GOD doesn’t want anyone to perish. IF (that’s a small word with a huge meaning), they will confess, repent, and forsake their sins, they can be saved. Otherwise they WILL NOT enter the Kingdom of GOD (heaven). They may hope they will, or think they will, but according to the word of GOD, they WILL NOT. They will continue to be lost forever. That’s a shame.

          • Peter Leh

            Oh gary. Thank God… you are not.

          • Ruth

            ” for with God–ALL things are possible.”

          • Ruth

            ” for with God–ALL things are possible.”

          • Neiman

            So have I and I recall a very masculine acting Lesbian being saved, filled with the Spirit, even her physical features and her demeanor changing into a very lovely woman, she married a young Christian man and they entered into ministry together.

          • Neiman

            The Holy Spirit spoke through Paul about some who were formerly homosexuals and were healed and were his brothers in Christ; but, you would label them all as not being capable of being healed and being saved? Shame on you.

          • Gary

            I don’t know the background of the people at Corinth to which you refer. Neither do you. But I very much doubt they were the “out and proud” kind we see so very often now.

          • Neiman

            Being out and proud, unrepentant, even attacking the Church, trying to destroy Christians, no matter how we may object to their lifestyles and attitudes, they are part of this world, they are part of whosoever and Jesus died for them, if only they would believe, repent, turn from their sins and seek Jesus, He is ever ready to save their souls and we should prat that as many shall – will.

          • Gary

            Why should we pray for that if Jesus is “ready to save their souls”? What are you trying to convince God to do?

          • Neiman

            To convict them that their lifestyle is a sin against God, being thus convicted, knowing they are in danger of everlasting separation from God and Life, that they might repent and ask Jesus to be their Savior and Lord, which implies healing them of their sexual sins.

            Jesus came to save those who were lost, He came to call sinners, not the righteous. Jesus called the worst sinners and of which I and all true Christians are chiefs, being thus grateful for His mercy on us, we should desire their salvation too.

          • Gary

            If Jesus wants to save them, why do you have to ask Him to convict them? If Jesus wants to save them as much as you claim, would He not already want to convict them? You seem to be trying to convince God to do what He does not want to do.

          • Neiman

            God works through His Church, He uses the voices of His children to oppose evil and by the Holy Spirit in them to convict the few hearts still open to Him of their sins, their need for repentance and salvation. Yet, they/your would not hear the Patriarchs, Jesus, the Apostles or a myriad of martyrs, because their/your hearts are evil continually, so they, like you have hardened your hearts and made yourselves your own gods and the price is to horrific to contemplate.

          • Gary

            Uh, what?

          • Ruth

            HELL!!!!

          • wandakate

            GARY: We are able to convince GOD to do anything. His thoughts are not our thoughts, and His ways are not our ways. But, he is able to convict them of their sins, so that they can repent of them. They can chose life over death (spiritual life/death). JESUS said to the woman at the well (the adulteress), “Go and sin no more”. He would tell them the same thing. He would not turn them away, if they repented and gave it up.

          • T C

            In case you all haven’t noticed, Gary is a Calvinist through and through. He believes that God only died for the elect, not the whole world.

          • bhrush

            I know several who have committed their life and turned, but those who celebrate their sodomy behavior surely have not.

  • Charles Filorux

    Common ground? What partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols?

    • Gary

      Exactly. There is no common ground between Christians and sexual perverts. Neither can there be. Liberty University is becoming a disappointment. And I say that as an alumnus.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Does this mean that you are not friends with any non-Christians? Have you noticed that this approach is different from what we read about Jesus in Scripture?

      • jcrosby35

        Does this mean you are trying to justify your position on sexual perversity?
        Jesus took a stand against any and all perversity. Even the Pharisees and law givers were rebuked were rebuked for perverting the Word of God for their gain.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          No, Im saying Jesus loved the sinner and hated the sin.

          Certainly it’s appropriate for there to be a distinction, and some level of distance between Christian and non-christian. But Jesus still found common ground between the righteous and the non-righteous. EG He still ate with people even before they were repentant. A blanket statement that claims that there is “no common ground between Christians and sexual perverts” doesnt sound like Jesus’ approach of reaching out to everyone. It sounds more like “hate the sinner, hate the sin”.

  • Lois

    RileyN that is exactly right!! Because the bible DOES say it is a sin, and no matter how they try to twist and turn it–to their own destruction! (2 Peter 3:16) , we as Christians, can NOT says its ok or accept it, without putting ourselves in jeopardy of eternal hell fire! If they want to live in their sin, fine, let them , but they need stop trying to put it in our faces and expect US to change our lives to suit theirs. It is not a natural function and it is not, as the young man wrote in the article, a ‘gift” from God. Okay, Im expecting all kinds of backlash here…but NOTHING I have said is not true. I love the sinner, but hate the sin…and nothing I have said is in hate, but rather in love, as I would love nothing more than for the gay community to pick up their bibles and repent , turn away from their sin , obey the Gospel and live holy lives!!

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      There is no evidence in the above article to imply that the editor believes it’s not a sin. If you cant find common ground with non-christians, it must be difficult to evangelize

      • jcrosby35

        Even satan has his evangelists. They appear as angels of light.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          Are you referring to staff at Liberty? If you are, on what grounds do they fit this description?

          • jcrosby35

            I am referring to:

            2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

            2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

            2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

            2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
            If the shoe fits then wear it.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Im not sure that clarifies it. Does the shoe fit? And if you think it fits, why do you think it fits?

          • jcrosby35

            What’s your problem Tom? Do you have a complex with Christians who do not accept your priorities? Who do not play your game? What is it? You need someone to flog so you can feel better?

            There is a better way Tom. Repent of your evil ways, receive Jesus as Lord and savior. Follow Him and keep His commandments.

            Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

            Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

            Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

            Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            My discomfort is in seeing innuendo without supporting facts. Jesus stood for truth and justice. I think if we are going to imply that the staff of Liberty are evangelists of Satan, then we should be able to explain why. Otherwise it’s an unjust accusation that isnt based in truth.

          • jcrosby35

            Tom my comments were directed to you not the staff at Liberty.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Oh. Well Im struggling to grasp what you are saying. So am I an evangelist of Satan? Id like to know the grounds for such an accusation.

          • jcrosby35

            Why are you asking me questions you should be asking yourself. Repent and deal with your decision. You stand accountable and you alone.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            This is so mysterious. But ok, if you dont want to communicate, I guess thats where we will have to leave it.

  • Mark Blackard

    This has been an ongoing topic for many years now. How are we supposed to deal with openly gay people when it comes to Christianity? This is my humble opinion: Put on the Armor of God and stay true to your convictions without being condemning or condoning. Jesus did not ally Himself with only righteous seeming people, but He was amongst the sick, poor, and sinful. We might not be homosexuals, but many of us are/were fornicators, adulterers, thieves, liars, idolaters, addicts, ect…. all worthy of damnation. If Jesus can forgive us, perhaps He can forgive them too if they repent. That is between them and the Lord. We should remain merciful and compassionate as He was. Refer to Matthew 9:10-13. I am not necessarily comfortable in the presence of homosexuals, but I do not shun them or treat them as subhuman. They have hearts and souls just as we do. They may think different than us and live by different standards than we do, but it does not mean that God loves them any less. We have to work out our own salvation in Christ, and they are responsible for theirs. I do know one thing: No one is going to seek advice on biblical matters from someone who shuns them or treats them like a social leper. Be kind and considerate, and give God a chance to use you to in some capacity for His glory. Angry, finger pointing, self righteous people do not help the cause of God’s Kingdom, nor snatch anyone out of the fire of damnation.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      You sir, are a wise man.

    • T C

      Me thinks you are a man-pleaser and not a God-pleaser.

  • Reason2012

    There’s no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Genesis 19:7-9 “And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

  • Reason2012

    “Common ground is what makes the world continue to move, grow and advance,” wrote Tre Goins-Phillips, opinion editor of The Liberty Champion, named after the university’s motto “Training Champions for Christ.”
    There is no common ground between Christians and those who profess to be Christians but openly admit they will not stop sinning.

    “While I have never denied my sexuality, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now,” he wrote. “So let me be clear: I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me.”
    God doesn’t give us the “gift” to sin and hence is now ok with us sinning. Calling that a “gift” or pretending it’s God’s intent that He love us sinning is just more deception.

    • bhrush

      gift of sodomy ???? call it what it is.

  • Mark Blackard

    ………or we can be like the Muslims and want to behead anyone who doesn’t believe like we do. Maybe Christianity will rule the world eventually. Not very Jesus like, but it is the manifestation of our inner dislike for people who sin differently than we do.
    Or, maybe we can show kindness to all people and let God work out their salvation His way. Just a thought.

    • jcrosby35

      Showing kindness is one thing, joining them is another, allowing them to come into my house and teach their perversion is another. I am not interested in hurting anyone and I am defiantly not interested in giving them a platform to encourage others to participate in their perversion. No fellowship with darkness.

    • T C

      You obviously have no standards of right and wrong.

  • Steve D. Bates

    There is no ‘common ground’ between homosexuals and Christians…..Christians live for and are to serve God, while homosexuals live in Satan’s ways and to enjoy his sins for them; so the ends are diametrically opposite and in direct opposition to each other and are always going to be competing against each other, it is in the nature of their opposite status and the unique ways of him whom each side serves in/with/through their lives.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Sure Christians are different from others. But if you see no common ground, I wonder if this is because you dont want to see any common ground? Do you not want to love your non-Christian neighbor?

      • Gary

        I have no interest in associating with homosexuals except to rebuke them.

      • jcrosby35

        Love does not blind me to God’s purpose. Yes I do want to see repentance take place and the sinner saved. But I have no fellowship with darkness and fully well understand that light and darkness do not mix. If you want to carry on perversity then you do so outside of the church not in it. I have no agreement with it and I do not invite it in. Repent and be saved or carry on your evil ways in the world.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          Yes of course. There cannot be perversity in the church. But what about the non-christian outside the church? Should we not be looking for ways to relate to them? And doesnt that mean finding some common ground? “Common ground” does not mean endorsement of all their ways.

      • T C

        So says the Catholic who believes the RCC is God’s only true church.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          You might have confused me for someone else. Im not a Catholic and Ive not said not to judge who will go to heaven. The fact that the Bible says that homosexual offenders will not go to heaven, doesnt address my above question.

          • T C

            I was mistaken then about you being a Catholic. But, at the same time you sound just like one or like the emergent author of the article that we are discussing. The only common ground we have is that we are sinners; to look for anything more is pretentious and does not keep in mind the main thing, which is to call sinners to repentance. We are not to fawn over unrepentant sinners.
            Your idea of love is pointed out by Dr. Raymond which is looking at it through the lens of humanism. Rather, Gods love exposes the sin and calls us out of it. The Bible states that even Jesus was separate from sinners. Discernment is called for here.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            No worries T C. Im not offended that you mistook me for being a Catholic.

            This website interests me, largely because there are people on here that seem to be trying quite hard in terms of commitment to their beliefs, but seem to be veering from the core of the Christian path.

            But yay, someone who agrees with me that there is common ground! Im not so sure that looking for additional common ground, is ‘pretentious’ (Jesus stressed humility, while still seeming to find common ground). But Im not bothered with looking for additional common ground. Youre right; there is common ground in that we are all sinners.

            You raise another interesting point, when you claim that the main thing is to call sinners to repentance. Is it? Id certainly agree it’s important, but is it the main thing? When I read the Gospels I see Jesus doing a bit of that. But I also see him doing other things; helping people (both religious and non-religious), befriending people, teaching people. When he summed up the two most important commandments (Mat 22), neither included the words ‘repent’. Yes we we are not to fawn over unrepentant sinners. But we are not called to completely turn our backs on them at all times, either. At least some times, we are supposed to actively love them as Jesus did.

            I guess someone will reply to this expressing their knee-jerk reaction and quote Scriptures about sin being bad and sinners going to hell, again. So before you do, let me say yes, your right. But my point is, there is more to it than that. Jesus also loved sinners. He still spent time with sinners, and to some degree, befriended sinners. He found a little bit of common ground with sinners. It’s right there in the Gospels, and I suspect it relates to loving your neighbor, and may be more important to God, than you suspect.

          • T C

            You seem to be forgetting that God is not only a God of love but He is also just. He will punish sin and the sinner by sending them to hell. It is our mission, just as it was Jesus mission to seek and to save the lost. Primary. Mission. You are lost in the love-drunk humanistic world-view. Loving your neighbor is preaching the Gospel to them. Sorry, but I’m with the previous poster, jcrosby, who says to you, repent of your evil ways. Refuse to adhere to a double-standard while there is still time.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            I suspect that if you were present in the first century and Jesus passed by, giving away loaves and fishes and healing the sick, you would regard him as a humanist because there were moments when he wasnt evangelising and was basically just loving. I suspect you would have missed the opportunity to see that he is God.

          • http://www.thelighterburden.blogspot.com Tani C

            Why did He do it? To reach the lost and when He spoke to the crowds He told them they needed to repent. You make it sound like telling people they need to repent is a bad thing. Repentance actually brings freedom. Think about it.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Tani, I did write that “Id certainly agree it’s important”

      • Steve D. Bates

        There is no common ground because God dictates it, ANY and ALL acceptance of any sin (homosexuality being the relevant one here) removes one from the presence of God, thus proving they are no Christian…..when homosexuals/sinners choose to leave their sin and repent, then there is common ground. God is quite inflexible in what He allows, you follow His ways, or follow your chosen path to Hell. It really is as simple as that……and, btw, how is it not loving to tell “your neighbor” what they are doing that dams their soul forever to pain and torment, and how is it not loving to tell them what they must do to change that fate to one where they can make their way into Heaven?……those that refuse to speak the truth are the ones being hateful of others.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          Yes, not sharing the Gospel, is unloving.
          But hey if acceptance of any sin removes one from the presence of God, thus proving they are no Christian, I guess that means that no true Christians watch secular TV.

          • Steve D. Bates

            You can view things without being accepting of them, that is one way that people LEARN.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            So likewise, Christians can befriend gay people without accepting their sin.

      • Steve D. Bates

        God teaches us, in the Bible, that any form of acceptance of any sin (of which, homosexuality is one) is as doing it themselves…..no human is as intolerant of sin than God is, we true Christians only wish to try to be; for He is the Way!

  • Mark Barker

    Liberty is far flung from being the “Jerry Falwell’s University” it used to be. It is little more than a worldly churchianity version of the secular universities in this country today. They have a megachurch, filled with fanatical followers of the Falwell brothers. One is the Pastor of the church, the other the President of the University. Jerry stood for God’s Word, sadly neither of his sons were man enough to take up the banner and run the same way Jerry was running. They picked it up and took off toward the bank with it. Liberty today is more about money than any other college in the area. Frankly, I would send my children to Lynchburg College before Liberty.

    • Gary

      I went to Liberty in the 1970’s. I don’t live in Lynchburg and I am not in touch with what is happening at Liberty, but from some of the things I have seen, I think you are pretty accurate in your comments. It seems like a secular college that has a Christian veneer.

    • Manfred Nissley

      Actually, as a student of Liberty that knows the dirty side of the school, I am glad that we no longer do everything like Jerry did. Jerry allowed rapists to stay on the football team. In fact, he told his coaches to recruit based on talent and not on religion. His son’s don’t put up with foolishness from the football players.

      I wish Jerry had been more upright. There would be several women who be alive today if they had convinced the girl raped by serial rapist and killer Jesse Matthews to actually press charges. (Jesse’s incident was the second rape case I know about.) Note, Jesse has not been convicted in a court of law, but he is the main suspect VIA DNA and video evidence of at least 6 rapes and two murders. Both numbers are likely to be much higher

      • T C

        Jerry Falwell was a legalist. As you said, he wasn’t concerned so much about maintaining integrity and that says a lot about the man and the way he led the college. His sons are nothing more than a chip off the old block. They too, are legalists. They are not promoting godliness in the college and are allowing rampant liberal so-called “Christians” to write articles such as the one the above.

  • jcrosby35

    Common grown is two people agreeing in Jesus name. Jesus makes the world go around. Two men or two women agreeing to have sex is perversion. These perverts are always looking for a weak spot to spread their perversion. Paul said it right in the book of Romans Chp. 1. Read it and understand it. Then call this guy to repentance and getting saved. If you are saved in Christ, walking in the Word of God a man of one wife, (female/male) then you have common grown. If that does not work, then so be it. We do not change God’s Word for the conveyance of anyone. Time to find a liberal college some where else to practice your perversion if you cannot agree to God’s Word.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      You can call someone to repentance, and still find other areas of common ground with them. Jesus did.

      • jcrosby35

        And what is that suppose to mean? What fellowship does light have with darkness.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          Darkness needs to remain outside the church community. But Jesus still ate with unrepentant people (Mark 2), he still fed them (Matthew 14) and was friendly and helpful to them (John 8). He made it clear that he did not endorse their sin (John 8), but he certainly didnt refuse to have anything to do with them.

          • jcrosby35

            Jesus came to save the sinner. And that’s the way it works. But He never endorsed their sin or allow them to use Him in anyway to endorse their sin. They repented of their sin and were baptized then they followed Him. Jesus was open to save but He also made it clear that the person was to sin no more. Go and sin no more.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Why are you repeating me?

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            Tom, but didn’t Jesus even tell sinners “Go forth and sin no more” John 8:11 To speak to brothers in the Church about their sins is a lot different than speaking to people outside the Church. In Matthew 10:5-15 even Jesus when instructing his 12 Apostles on spreading his word said if a town rejected his word to shake the dust off their sandals of the town….14 * Whoever will not receive you or listen to your words—go outside that house or town and shake the dust from your feet. 15 Amen, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

            New American Bible. (2011). (Revised Edition., Mt 10:14–15). Washington, DC: The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

          • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

            Good point Thomas. Im not sure what to conclude. Do we copy Jesus in terms of his friendly and helpful approach towards non-christians, or do we follow his advice to shake the dust off our feet and turn our backs on them? Now Im not sure how this works.

          • Thomas Collins Jr June

            I think we approach Brothers in Sin one way, privately then if they don’t listen before the Church or Priest, but Worldly Sinners we present the Good News or road to Christ and if rejected yes, we go on to the next. But for both we do it in Love and Respect not hate and malice.

  • Gary

    Liberty allowed a known homosexual to be a student? Well, that tells you all you need to know about Liberty. They are a secular college that pretends to be a “Christian university”. Expect more moral insanity from Liberty in days to come.

  • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

    The bottom line for a true and faithful follower of Christ. What does the Bible (the Word of God) say on the subject?

    1 Corinthians 5:11New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

    Is not homosex immoral according to God’s standards? I think so.

    1 Corinthians 6:9

    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of
    God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
    adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    There is more but here a two from the NT

    So there is no common ground unless the pervert repents of his filthy sin and gets right with God. That means he stops having homosex. Then and only then if he has been born again and given a new heart should he be received with in the Body of Christ His true church.

    2 Corinthians 6:16-18New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    16 Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,

    “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
    And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    17 “Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord.
    “And do not touch what is unclean;
    And I will welcome you.
    18 “And I will be a father to you,
    And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,”
    Says the Lord Almighty.

    The man that seeks to bring acceptance of this kind of sin into the Body of Christ should be disciplined and removed from his place of influence within the Christian forum. It is sin.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Those verses are mainly about fellow Christians. So most of them dont apply to the Tim Cook situation.

      • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

        OK but Cook professes he’s a Christian so they apply. That does not mean that he IS a Christian. But if he WAS it would apply. I am going on the thread that HE thinks Himself a Christian. Yoking with the homo is not to be condoned.

  • bhrush

    “we don’t ask about their personal life” Cooper said …. hmm — so why do you hold the university as a Christian place then. do you hold to any Christian doctrine? Why ? guess its not about behaviors then at all at that University so why teach what you do? Why call it a Christian place? And I think the Apple gay is fully wrong when he spouts that the great gift is he has “sex” with another man.(unless he is celibate). Not a gift sir and not from a Holy God.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Wow you have high standards. Do you apply the same standards in your life? IE do you only shop at supermarkets that are run by Christians? Do you only buy gas from Christians? When you ask the shop staff if they are Christian, do you accept a simple yes or no, or do you ask them to verify their faith? How do you find the time for this? And what happens when you cant find a supplier for a particular item, who is a Christian, and you buy from a convenient shop instead – do you you regards yourself as a fallen non-christian that day?

      • bhrush

        and so are you saying if I shop at a secular store I should behave the way they do?? and by the way – yes I do support Christian businesses when I can. Is there a problem with that? If I move to an Arab country do I expect them to change their laws for me? I have encountered endless “demands” by homosexuals that they be recognized and celebrated based on their “orientation and sex behaviors” in laws, in culture and especially in public education. The false term they use is tolerance.

        • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

          No, Im not saying that if you shop at a secular store you should behave the way they do. And buying from Christian sources is a good thing. But since you imply that by Liberty sometimes sourcing from non-Christian sources makes then an unchristian organisation, Im asking whether you only buy from Christian sources.

      • T C

        So not on topic. We as individuals are not to be compared to a so-called Christian University who must hold to high standards and seek to perpetuate the fundamentals of the Christian faith, not compromise it like the Catholic church and their current pope is doing.

  • GibbyD

    If you are looking for a Christian School / University that has not compromised , check out Lancaster Bible College or Bob Jones University . Since Jerry Falwell has died , Liberty U. has not been the same school. I would not trust to send my children to that school anymore . Last year they allowed a Mormon to teach and propagandize at one of their chapel and or commencement services .

    • Gary

      It seems to be the case that most colleges, churches, etc. which were begun by men who largely adhered to what the Bible says, eventually become less orthodox in their beliefs and policies. The founders die, and those who inherit seem always to liberalize the beliefs and standards that were in place before. I cannot think of an exception.

    • stan schmunk

      But the senior Falwell was an avowed segregationist and founded Liberty as an all-white school until the IRS gave him the word. He also went on tours with the vile blasphemous Larry Flynt, publisher of Hustler. In addition, Falwell’s ghost writer was a homosexual and Falwell invited him and 200 other homosexuals to the church or campus or somewhere to do what…find common ground? Methinks the fruit has fallen very close to the tree.

  • The Lone Ranger

    There is indubitably no such thing as BEING , G. L. B. T. GLBT is just the itemized brand of sinful L U S T desired . That group can try to make it legitimate validate it legalize , itemize , sanctify , glorify , rectify ,and legislate it All this effort just shows you the grip this snare , lust has on a person but it is still sin just like every other sinful lust. You and I cannot redefine sin .
    Romans 9:20
    Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? ……….All lust is sin heterosexual or homosexual lust…….
    Romans 7:7
    What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. ……..It is impossible according to scripture to be a homosexual Christian. Just like it is impossible to be a Christian practicing adultery. It is time for God’s anointed men to stand up and preach it like it is. They may have to take a few shots on the chin but so did Jesus. I commend Dr. Raymond .

  • The Lone Ranger

    There is indubitably no such thing as BEING , G. L. B. T. GLBT is just the itemized brand of sinful L U S T desired . That group can try to make it legitimate validate it legalize , itemize , sanctify , glorify , rectify ,and legislate it All this effort just shows you the grip this snare , lust has on a person but it is still sin just like every other sinful lust. You and I cannot redefine sin .
    Romans 9:20
    Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? ……….All lust is sin heterosexual or homosexual lust…….
    Romans 7:7
    What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. ……..It is impossible according to scripture to be a homosexual Christian. Just like it is impossible to be a Christian practicing adultery. It is time for God’s anointed men to stand up and preach it like it is. They may have to take a few shots on the chin but so did Jesus. I commend Dr. Raymond .

  • Joseph Elijah McGowan

    This is a disgusting piece that twists the words of a friend of mine. He didn’t mean what this piece is trying to make it seem like he meant at all.

    • http://stasisonline.wordpress.com Tom

      Thanks for speaking out, Joseph.

    • Evolution is a fact

      What did he mean?

  • Demopublicrat

    Perhaps a motto change is in order: Training people for cash.

  • Jack Rohde

    I used to steal motorcycles for fun when I was a kid and I knew it was wrong and everyone in the court room said I was wrong, the world is upside down now if you can have gay pride, shouldn’t I have been able to say I had thief pride back then and started a thief pride movement?

    • Evolution is a fact

      Stealing is a crime. Being gay isn’t.

      • MO

        They are both sin, that is a crime against God.

  • The Lone Ranger

    There is indubitably no such thing as BEING , G. L. B. T. GLBT is just the itemized brand of sinful L U S T desired . That group can try to make it legitimate validate it legalize , itemize , sanctify , glorify , rectify ,and legislate it All this effort just shows you the grip this snare , lust has on a person but it is still sin just like every other sinful lust. You and I cannot redefine sin .
    Romans 9:20
    Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? ……….All lust is sin heterosexual or homosexual lust…….
    Romans 7:7
    What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. ……..It is impossible according to scripture to be a homosexual Christian. Just like it is impossible to be a Christian practicing adultery. It is time for God’s anointed men to stand up and preach it like it is. They may have to take a few shots on the chin but so did Jesus. I commend Dr. Raymond .

  • Jay Fletcher

    KTV shows various Liberty sports events. A couple of weeks ago I was channel surfing and they were showing a Liberty (home) hockey games, and what did my wandering ears hear being played at the game? They were playing an AC/DC song! So much for a christian worldview

    • Manfred Nissley

      AC/DC? That is actually kinda tame compared to some of the other songs they play at sporting events. They do cut the music before it gets bad.

  • Saved

    TV pumps all types of sexual sin into our homes and Christians watch it by the hour. Statistics show that half of the men in churches and one in three pastors are addicted to porn. Jesus said “if you look at a another person with lust in your heart you have committed adultery in your heart.” So how many of the people commenting are pure in this area? I am not. I am guilty. “If my people who are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways then will I hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land.” The problem is not them it is us. Repent.

    • T C

      Very strange post. The problem is us and not them?? You just contradicted yourself…you quoted the verse that says to humble yourselves and pray. That is the very thing we as Christians are telling the homosexuals to do.

  • bhrush

    I have had a couple of nasty responses to what I questioned about homosexuality. I will ask this question then: what common ground does Goins Phillips think there is? It sounds very noble to say what he said, but he gives no real indication of the common ground. Even Cook gives no common ground commentary, just his personal belief about his behavior. Perhaps Goins should be asking what common ground homosexual hold with truth and righteousness of Christian beliefs ? Then what would he have to say? Some I suspect will even find criticism with me asking these questions.

    • SFBruce

      From the tone of this remarks, I think that Goins Phillips might say a shared humanity is the common ground between LGBT people and conservative Christians.

      • bhrush

        that may be so and is true , but it is also true of every behavior known to mankind and every religion ( even ISIS has that in common) . simply no standard there that sets Christianity apart from every kind of sin known to mankind. Ne demand upon ones behavior, no boundary on it and no requirement to any standard. I view this a the lowest common ground possible.

        • SFBruce

          I’m not sure I understand you. Are you arguing that gay people have no moral standards at all? Naturally, I understand that you believe any sexual activity between two people of the same sex is wrong, but I hope you allow for the possibility that gay people can be productive citizens.

          • Gary

            They would be more productive if they weren’t perverts.

          • SFBruce

            I ask a civil question which is respectful of your beliefs, and this is how you choose to respond. You might want to consider a different approach if you want to change anyone’s mind.

  • Matthew

    Genesis 1:27

    27
    God created mankind in his image;
    in the image of God he created them;
    male and female* he created them.
    [1:27]

    Male and female: as God provided the plants with seeds and commanded the animals to be fertile and multiply, so God gives sexuality to human beings as their means to continue in existence.

    Honor your mother and father.

    We were born to attract as opposites.

    Christian bashing, ‘isms’ and forced religion an exact evil correlated with the caustic nature of sins and Idolatry affecting our nation. We are seeing it with Islam, ISIS, warfare, cartels, and in politics. The world wouldn’t be fighting over religion, if God does not matter. These are spirituals, teachings and links to our divine God of all to our Creator. A sperm cannot fertilize a sperm, nor an egg fertilize an egg. This hate comes along with the repressed evils and obaminations of the flesh. Some people haven’t read the bible, or maybe should read it again. Christians are followers of Christ, and his teachings, God’s only son. We are praying for you whether you like it or not, because our faith is built upon humbling ourselves to show the blessings of faith, and God. Because you all matter, we all matter in this world. Some just fell far from the tree, or uprooted themselves completely.

    John 3:16
    16
    For God so loved the world that he gave* his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.

    Half of you won’t even read this, or acknowledge it, but it is not your fault, and you can change, put your faith in God’s hands. I am not perfect, by any means, in fact I was severely broken.

    God is Love. Love has been distorted into sex, lust and perversion. This usually casts out feelings of intimacy, romance and friendship of humankind. I do care, for humanity, your futures, and the children growing up into this world. I wouldn’t have taken the time to show you what actual reading, accepting, and forgiving-yourself and others- can do for your life. Wondrous are his deeds, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Hope, Faith, Love, Peace and God Bless! We can fix this, and help fix and inform people.

    Jeremiah 1:5
    5
    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,

    Matthew 9:12-13
    12
    He heard this and said, “Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do.
    13
    Go and learn the meaning of the words, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’* I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”

    Mark 2:17
    17
    Jesus heard this and said to them [that], “Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do. I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”

    Luke 5:31-32
    31
    Jesus said to them in reply, “Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but the sick do.
    32
    I have not come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners.”

    Romans 1:20-32
    20
    Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
    21
    for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened. 22
    While claiming to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for the likeness of an image of mortal man or of birds or of four-legged animals or of snakes.
    24
    Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies.
    25
    They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
    26
    Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural,
    27
    and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity.
    28
    And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their un-discerning mind to do what is improper.
    29
    They are filled with every form of wickedness, evil, greed, and malice; full of envy, murder, rivalry, treachery, and spite. They are gossips
    30
    and scandalmongers and they hate God. They are insolent, haughty, boastful, ingenious in their wickedness, and rebellious toward their parents.
    31
    They are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
    32
    Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

    1 Samuel 18:1
    1
    By the time David finished speaking with Saul, Jonathan’s life became bound up with David’s life; he loved him as his very self.

    2 Samuel 1:26
    26
    I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother! Most dear have you been to me; More wondrous your love to me than the love of women.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11
    9
    Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites
    10
    nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
    11
    That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

    Leviticus 18:22-24
    22
    You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination.
    23
    You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.
    24
    Do not defile yourselves by any of these things, because by them the nations whom I am driving out of your way have defiled themselves.

    Leviticus 20:9-21
    9
    Anyone who curses father or mother shall be put to death; and having cursed father or mother, such a one will bear the bloodguilt.
    13
    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, they have committed an abomination; the two of them shall be put to death; their bloodguilt is upon them.

    [20:9–21] Bloodguilt: These penalties, beginning with cursing one’s parents, reflect the concerns of a patriarchal society that the breakdown of one’s relations with one’s parents can lead to the breakdown of all other familial relationships, resulting in the breakdown of society.

  • Nedd Kareiva

    There is no common ground with homosexuals – zip, zero, zilch, nada, though we are to have compassion on them and their souls. Spiritually, it’s a non-starter. But that aside, why should anyone support or embrace a conduct that not only is unnatural but has enormous health consequences with diseases nearly exclusive to its practitioners? It is a sin, yes, and an eminently forgivable one (I John 1:7-9) but as bad as the sin is, it leads its advocates to an early grave. Why should we pat on the back anyone endorsing this bizarre behavior & lifestyle?

    • Demmi Greene

      How can we have ”common ground” with someone who apparently does not even acknowledge the moral authority of Christ in this issue???

  • Evolution is a fact

    You know what’s more important than beliefs? People.

    • Gary

      Truth is most important. Nobody is helped when they are lied to, or when they believe something that is false.

  • John

    Dear Tom, Stevie, We need to show love to everyone, but declare openly that the gay lifestyle is immoral and in open defiance of God’s Holy Word. Children are being told that this immoral, harmful lifestyle is okay so they are experimenting with this “lifestyle” which God hates, or having it imposed on them by other children, teenagers and adults Jesus asked sinners to repent, and said go and sin no more. He told tax gatherers to repay what they stole. He chastised the Pharisees and Sadducees for their deeds. Yes, we need to love people, but warn them. Our closest friends should be Christians. In this case, Cook, The Publisher, Pastor, You and I are role models. We need to let children know homosexuality is wrong; anyone who willfully commits iniquity (the same sin over and over) without true repentance and turning is asking for God’s wrath and judgement. They are leading others astray; we can not condone what God hates. We need to love them and lead them by the Holy Spirit to repentance and a change of behavior, or ultimately treat them as unbelievers if they continue in open defiance of God as Jesus and His disciples said. I am a Baptist. One of you attacked all Catholics; although their have been some flaws in the Catholic church. They have traditionally been one of the Moral backbones of this country. Too many churches are compromising saying it’s okay to be gay when it is absolutely not! If the Catholic church continues to compromise it will be because of pressure from humanists & liberalists (progressives) who have infiltrated the congregation. There are many Catholics who are very devout Christians. Open gays are open role models for children and all of society. The homosexual movement has harmed the church with all the tremendous pressure for them to compromise. God Does Not Compromise! You can’t condone homosexuality which leads children and adults to fall into this sin and think that God won’t be very angry with you. Anyone who causes a child to stumble, it would be better if a mill stone were hung around his neck and he were thrown in the debts of the sea. Please Don’t Compromise God’s Word or Condone What God Clearly Hates. I Love You All!

  • John McMickle

    They attack Christians more than they are attacked. Stop all the law suits and then we might talk. Keep it up and under the bus you go at the first opportunity.

    • T C

      Amen!

  • berrisfuller

    “We don’t have to be unkind to them or hateful or smearing—I don’t think
    that’s the right approach—but we do have to be steadfast in our
    doctrine and in our belief when it comes to their practice,” Raymond
    continued. “We out-and-out say, ‘No, I’m sorry, this is against God’s
    law and I pray that you see the error of your ways,’ but we cannot have
    real intimate fellowship with [them] or tolerate sin.’”

    couldnt be stated better

  • MO

    Why did TC feel he had to ‘publicly’ acknowledge his sexuality? Why is this so important in the LBGT community an society at large?

    I use to be ignorant about what Jesus required of me on homosexuality. I had an acceptance that I should live and let live. I still have that tolerance, but if I am ever given a chance again to speak with a queer, a lesbian, a transvestite, or a bisexual person. I really, really need to bring God into the entire conversation, and help the individual understand Gods perspective, and not mine.

    At the end of the article it shows how the compromise of Gods word is why society is shifting into complacentness.

    Study to show ourselves approved, and to bring about the obedience of [our] faith … for His name’s sake …

    (Romans 1:18-32)

  • Josiah Ring

    Reading through these comments is almost as sad as the article itself. It is no wonder we as Christians are called hypocrites. Let us not judge each other based on the law but with the Grace that has been shown to us by God himself. I am not perfect nor do I have a sinless past. I have been through serious depression and times of attempting suicide, uncontrollable addiction to porn etc. But God saw fit to save me, to work His process in my life to bring me to Himself. Yes homosexuality is listed as a sin in the Bible and should be handled as such but so is lying, slander, sexual immorality, lust… etc. As Christians we are to follow Jesus and the example He set. He never once conformed to this world but He did have ‘fellowship’ with the sinners, sick, hurting etc. It is this same unmerited Love that He has extended to us as sinners that led us to salvation. Even when a homosexual becomes a Christian they may still struggle with that sin just as I did with porn. But God is faithful and through the loving work of the Holy Spirit the old things perish and all things become new. Show Gods truth in love and grace remembering the grace we have been shown.

  • Bruce Morrow

    Christianity has NO agreement with homosexuality. The Scriptures condemn homosexuality as an abomination.

  • Peter Leh

    The very fact the Jesus found “common ground” with us should be an example to all.