Satanists Seeking to Distribute Satanic Coloring Books Results in School Board Banning Bibles

Satanic TempleORLANDO, Fla. — A Florida school board has moved to change its policies to ban the distribution of Bibles and all other religious materials after a New York-based Satanic organization sought to distribute coloring books to students.

“This really has, frankly, gotten out of hand,” Orange County Chairman Bill Sublette told reporters this week. “I think we’ve seen a group or groups take advantage of the open forum we’ve had.”

Sublette is among those that are considering adjusting the current distribution policy, which would not only thwart efforts to distribute Satanic coloring books in schools, but also end the distribution of Bibles in schools as well.

As previously reported, the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) learned last year that a Christian ministry had made Bibles available to Orlando high school students on “Religious Freedom Day.” To counter the Bible distribution, FFRF sought permission from the school district to give students a variety of atheistic and anti-Christian materials.

According to reports, the Orange County School Board permitted FFRF to distribute several books and pamphlets, including a booklet entitled “What’s Wrong With The Ten Commandments?” and a brochure entitled “What Is An Atheist?” However, the board prohibited FFRF from giving students several other publications, citing the materials’ “disruptive” and inappropriate content.

FFRF promptly sued the school board for not allowing the distribution of the materials, and eventually it complied with the organization’s demands. In July, a district judge officially dismissed the FFRF lawsuit, thus giving the green light to the in-school distribution of atheistic materials.

Following the decision, the New York-based Satanic Temple announced in September that it would likewise distribute its publications to area schools so that it can have its equal time before students.

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“I am quite certain that all of the children in these Florida schools are already aware of the Christian religion and it’s Bible, and this might be the first exposure these children have to the actual practice of Satanism,” spokesperson Lucien Greaves wrote in a recent press release about the matter. “We think many students will be very curious to see what we offer.”

One of the items that the group seeks to distribute The Satanic Children’s Big Book of Activities, which includes a coloring page that features “Annabel’s study filled with Satanic literature and philosophy,” a pentagram connect the dots complete with a goat’s head, and a secret code that reads “Satana Blessed Be.”

But the Orange County School board says that the distribution policy is being abused through these efforts and has become a distraction to the learning environment. It is now moving to consequently ban the distribution of all religious materials in order to end the competition between the various groups.

“In my office alone I had received close to 11,000 emails in one period on this issue, and it gives you an idea of the level of disruption it was causing,” Sublette told reporters this past week.

“Everyone’s upset about the Satanists and the atheists coming,” added board member Christine Moore.

But while the Satanic Temple and the Freethought Community are now happy about the proposed policy change, which will be discussed at future meetings early next year, others opine that the banning of Christian material is what the Satanists and atheists really wanted all along.

“The Bible distributions are a good thing,” Roger Gannam of Liberty Counsel told local television station WOFL. “They haven’t caused any problems, but now by creating controversy this group is maybe perhaps getting what it wants.”


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  • James Grimes

    I have always considered Atheists as “The Useless,” but I have to wonder where the Satanism fit in. Since they are worse than the Atheists in regards to their negative affect on Society, they will have to be in a class by themselves.

    • infidel1000

      Ridiculous. It’s christians who believe in Satan. Atheists don’t believe Satan exists. As for religion, it’s certainly WORSE than useless. Unless you consider all the wars, genocides, murders, inquisitions, witch burnings, pograms and persecution over the centuries as useful. Atheists don’t need a sky shepherd or the promise of a reward or punishment in order to lead morally reputable lives.

    • http://www.robinlionheart.com/ Robin Lionheart

      They do some useful things. For instance, they just saved the state of Kentucky 18 million dollars in corporate welfare for Ken Ham’s Ark Park.

      • James Grimes

        More Atheist nonsense? I just not interested.

        • http://www.robinlionheart.com/ Robin Lionheart

          That’s fine. I think other Christian News readers might be interested in the Noah’s Ark theme park’s financial dispute, though. Kinda surprised there’s no article here about it here on Christian News. Christian Post covered it.

  • Neiman

    Atheists, gays and liberals have only one goal – silence the Christian faith and ONLY the Christian faith. They are all secular humanists, they are all socialists and secular humanism/atheism/socialism cannot co-exist with Christ. In every such society throughout modern human history, these people must criminalize the Christian faith, they must silence Christians. These atheists have no conscious allegiance to Satan, although they are surely his children, but they are doing this only as a means of attacking Christ and the Church and keeping Jesus away from children. All those groups believe the Christian faith is a form of child abuse.

    • Jeff Cleveland

      You don’t get the irony in what you are saying, do you.

      • Neiman

        No please enlighten me.

        • sean

          my guess as to the irony is you don’t want everyone else to have the right to voice their faith, but it is ok for you/christians to voice the christian faith onto others.

          • Neiman

            I have never suggested that people of other faiths have no right to express that faith in the public square. Yet, the people in every state and local community and school district should have the right to establish what they want their children to be exposed to, as they have a right and responsibility to protect their children from harm, these parents have the right to establish the moral for their community. It should not be up to very small, very vocal groups through cheap thuggery to silence them when they decide what is best for their children.

            It is another thing altogether when the federal government restricts the right of free speech in the public square. That is a political matter and they should allow the widest latitude in allowing people to voice their views in a fair and equitable manner. It is another thing for these minority opinions to be forced upon our children or when they try to silence the religious and moral values of the majority.

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            Any CULT that spreads hate, murder, torture and evil does NOT have rights! Especially not in schools. We are not talking about a peaceful way of life here.

          • sean

            i agree with you Erin 100% but what is the difference, the bible is full of “hate, murder, torture and evil” have ever read the old testament?

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            It is full of these attributes that sin brings to humanity! It is not the Word of a hateful and evil God however. It states history and fact. It is the Word from our Almighty, All knowing and merciful God. God hates the sin that most people love. However God is a loving God. A patient God.

          • MarkSebree

            A jealous god. A vengeful god. A god that commits mass murder. A god that advocates and blesses genocide. A god that kills children for teasing a man about his bald head.

            Much of the “hate, murder, torture, and evil” that is seen in the Bible is by those that god has supposedly “chosen”.

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            That is why it is so important not to take any scripture out of context. God created us all and he is our Father. It is up to him to choose our destiny and our path. However he has given us free will because we are made in his image. He allows us to choose Jim or to choose sin. If we choose him through the salvation of Jesus Christ then we are making the choice to be good children. If we make the choice to be slaves to sin then God weeps for us. He loves us as any Father would, except more. And he is slow the angry. However if we cross that line as sinners and choose to purposely mock him, and break all his comandments, and deny him as our God- remember he created us all, then he is righteous on destroying us. He gives us chance after chance after chance to repent, but if we don’t want to be saved we won’t be. That is the free will we are given in his image and most people can not be truly mature and responsible with free will. They choose to be wicked. God did not drown a world full of innocent people. They practiced black magic and Satanism and they were rapists and murderers and cannibals. They breathed evil. And he destroyed them justly. The same in Sodom.
            Sean, my belief does not come from how I was raised. I urge you to ask God reveal himself to you as he has to me. By his voice his guidance his large and small promises carried out and his prophetic examples he clearly gives us. The Holy Spirit will come to those who will it to be so, who truly have room to love. The Spirit gives comprehension that we do not have before we are reborn. The unsaved do not have the knowledge that we do. When the Holy Spirit witnesses to you, you will know. And be forever changed! Trust me, Lol, its not like all Christians went out one day and drank the Kool Aid. When we speak of the Holy Spirit witnessing to us we mean it in the literal sense. How likely is it that billions of people can feel something that does not exist? Ponder on that. Research NDE’s. Be blessed.

          • Neiman

            No God is not everyone’s father:


            The Bible is clear that all people are God’s creation (Colossians 1:16), and that God loves the entire world (John 3:16), but only those who are born again are children of God (John 1:12; 11:52; Romans 8:16; 1 John 3:1-10).

            In Scripture, the lost are never referred to as children of God. Ephesians 2:3 tells us that before we were saved we were “by nature objects of wrath” (Ephesians 2:1-3). Romans 9:8
            says that “it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but
            it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s
            offspring.” Instead of being born as God’s children, we are born in sin,
            which separates us from God and aligns us with Satan as God’s enemy (James 4:4; 1 John 3:8).
            Jesus said, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came
            from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me” (John 8:42). Then a few verses later in John 8:44,
            Jesus told the Pharisees that they “belong to your father, the devil,
            and you want to carry out your father’s desire.” The fact that those who
            are not saved are not children of God is also seen in 1 John 3:10:
            “This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children
            of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of
            God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.”

            We become children of God when we are saved because we are adopted into
            God’s family through our relationship with Jesus Christ (Galatians 4:5-6; Ephesians 1:5). This can be clearly seen in verses like Romans 8:14-17:
            “…because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For
            you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but
            you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, ‘Abba, Father.’
            The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
            Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs
            with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may
            also share in his glory.” Those who are saved are children “of God
            through faith in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:26) because God has “predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will” (Ephesians 1:5).”

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/all-God-children.html#ixzz3JO9AqV30

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            Neiman I can almost-not quite understand your discomfort and need to biblically explain why you don’t consider yourself brethren to unbelievers, however the Truth is that God taught us to love all people more then ourselves, and to pray for them, and to show them Jesus through our love. It is not for us to judge. God will do that when we stand before him. Until we are judged, he is our Father and we are brothers and sisters. The Bible states that he weeps for every lost person. How could God cry for anyone if he does not love them like a child.
            When reaching out to the world to show them Jesus it would be better to refrain from making one feel rejected as opposed to loved.
            God bless.

          • Neiman

            It is unfortunate that people like you, no matter how ell intended, have such a misplaced idea of the Love of God, that they do not understand that He is also a God of Justice, that He hates sin and some categories of sinners, that even Jesus commended more than one church in Revelations for hating the doctrines of the Nicolatians and sexual immorality. That we are advised to be in the world but not of it and that we are to evangelize the world, which according to the Divine pattern means to oppose and convict souls of sin, which never appears like love, though it truly is the Love of God.

            http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html

            It is also unfortunate that people have such wrong ideas about judging.

            http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html

            But, as you have rejected in total the scriptures that show that we are not all His children, I suspect that you are so dictated by your emotions that you will reject any of God’s Word that stands against what you feel He should think and say. Nonetheless, IMO you have some very wrong ideas about the Love of God, who are His children and about many things that are contrary to His Word. For me, I would rather stand on His Word any day than on my emotions.

          • Anton Viljoen

            Judging >>>>>>>

            As Christians We Must Judge
            ……Righteously

            As Christians we do not judge a
            person’s life, i.e., sin, because we are all sinners (Matt 7:1)., we judge
            righteously according to the Word of God. The Bible commands us to judge fellow
            Christians teachings and their fruit. Those in the church we are to judge
            according to the Word of God. Those outside of the church we show them the
            error of their ways, preach the gospel to them and then leave them in God’s hands.
            We are also commanded to judge/test their teachings/doctrine to make sure it is
            correct and that it ties up with scripture.
            There are many verses in the bible where we are
            told to JUDGE/TEST:
            1
            Thessalonians 5:21 (Amplified Bible)
            21 But test and prove all things [until you can
            recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.
            Matthew 7:15-20
            (Amplified Bible)
            15Beware of false prophets, who come to you
            dressed as sheep, but inside they are devouring wolves.
            16You will fully recognize them by their
            fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?
            17Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears
            good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree
            bears bad (worthless) fruit.
            18A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad
            (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear [excellent fruit [worthy
            of admiration].
            19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is
            cut down and cast into the fire.
            20Therefore, you will fully know them by their
            fruits.
            1
            Corinthians 5:12-13 (Amplified Bible)
            12What [business] of mine is it and what right
            have I to judge outsiders? Is
            it not those inside [the church] upon whom you are to pass disciplinary
            judgment [passing censuring sentence on them as the facts require]?
            13God alone sits in judgment on those who are
            outside. Drive out that wicked
            one from among you [expel him from your church].

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            What is it to understand the Bible if you interfere with the love of Christ. I am not a scripture wizard as you, but I know the love of Christ. I am not perfect nor self righteous, however I believe to sway one close to the Lord we are to show them they CAN be children of God and receive his love and run into his arms, which is what I was trying to encourage our friend Sean to open Hus heart to, until you come in and squash Christ’s love I was trying to share, with technicalities. I know you mean well, but to help the unsaved you must treat them the way God asks us to.

          • Neiman

            What is the Love of Christ to you? There is much positive to say about the idea that by our sweet, kindly, loving conduct, people will attracted to Christ in us and seek to know more information about what makes us the way we are and thereby through our personal witness to lead them to Christ. I don’t want to play down or minimize that powerful way of attracting people to Christ within, by both our words and conduct, it is indeed a powerful tool in drawing people away from darkness and into the light of God’s Love.

            Yet, if we lead them there by anything but the truth, how can they be converted from idols and to a new birth in Christ, if the ground is false? What of John the Baptist, when he was standing in that river, reproving people of their sins and calling them to repentance to escape the pains of hell, was he showing such kindly, sweet, loving conduct in the eyes of the lost? Did he call them children of God? What of when he raged at Herod and his wife for being adulterers? Was Jesus being kindly, sweet and loving in the eyes of the money changers and those that sold in the Temple of God, by driving them out with a whip and loudly reproving them?

            Don’t get me wrong, Jesus was always acting in the Love of God and people were drawn to Him because they saw the Love of God in Him. God forbid I would speak against the Lord or anyone being an example of Loving kindness, tenderness, sweetness and offering all that would come to salvation in Christ, because of such a witness in our lives. I would only like to be a better example.

            Yet, surely the examples of Jesus, John the Baptist would tell us that there is also no room for anything but Truth in our witnessing. If the world is not reproved of their sins and a call to repentance is not made, surely if they come to Jesus on that false ground, they will not see evil for being evil and they will think they need not turn from their sins and they can still be saved. Surely, if they think they are already children of God, where is the need for repentance or to seek salvation at all? While unwittingly I am sure, I believe you were by watering down the need for repentance in order to become a child of God and be saved, by falsely calling everyone children of God and by not speaking out against sin, which God surely hates and which sins will keep them from salvation, on false ground.

            So, I sought to speak to that weakness in your witness for your edification that you might not try and lead Sean to salvation on a false foundation. It was not my desire to offend you, but to offer you brotherly correction for the sake of your witnessing and that in the future you might make sure that some saccharine and false form of God’s Love does not creep into your evangelizing a lost soul.

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            I am all smiles! You have spoken the truth, and have understood me and encouraged me as well! Thank you dear friend in Christ! : )

          • Anton Viljoen

            Thanx Erin this is what is the truth but people / humans / flesh want to argue and correct about everything which has been “wrong ” in the Bible. we are far far below the thoughts and power of God , but yet will are stubborn and each time we read the word of God we want to change it for our own darn reason … why can’t people read it like God would want us to read it … Lets read it LIKE THIS FOR OURSELVES … When a child of God looks into the Word of God , he sees the Son of God , he is renewed and changed by the Spirit of God , into the image of God for the Glory of God . The body / flesh is obedient to the spirit in ourselves and our spirit is obedient to Jesus Christ ,

          • MarkSebree

            That WAS in context. The Bible quotes God as stating that he is a jealous god in Exodus 20:5, as part of the Ten Commandments. (KJV)

            The Flood was mass murder of virtually the entire human race.

            The vengeance is all over the Bible.

            The teasing about the prophets bald head is from 2 Kings 2:23-24, where 2 bears kill a substantial number of youths.

            Genocide can be found in Joshua, Moses’s successor, where he and his army kills every man, woman, and child in cities that they conquer.

            I have researched the Bible, and found it wanting. I have read it in context. I was chaplain’s assistant in the Boy Scouts, and I went to a Jesuit High School. I read for comprehension, and I take things in both the story’s context as well as historical context. That does not absolve the fact that the Bible is filled with examples of hatred, intolerance, bigotry, and general evil on the part of God’s chosen followers.

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            I encourage you to read the whole Bible again, a reliable uncopy-written version and accept it as a whole, not out of context. God loves you more than himself.

          • Lark62

            Been there, done that. If the biblical god existed, he would be the greatest mass murderer in history. Read the words. He approved of murder in response to petty offenses. He commanded murder, rape and enslavement. The only positive is that most of those who spout of about “biblical morality” don’t actually follow it.

          • Erin Carol Ponzo

            God NEVER commanded anyone to rape! You are speaking lies. God commanded his people to only kill those who were filled with wickedness and evil. As I already stated God did not command anyone to kill innocent people. In fact in Sodom he killed everyone in the town because of their great sin and promised to spare to the town if his angels could find one innocent holy person, and there was not one. Therefore he destroyed them. And yes we SHOULD FEAR the wrath of God if we purposely choose to be wicked. We owe it to him to live Holy lives. And being God he doesn’t owe anyone an explanation for choosing to destroy wicked people. In fact he gives us more then the fair chance to repent. He is a merciful JUST God. Your opinion does not change the fact that he is your God and will judge us all.

          • Lark62

            How many chances did newborn babies in Sodom get? Did babies in the womb have a right to life?

            How many chances did the infant boys get in Numbers 31:17-18 when god COMMANDED his chosen people to “Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who hath known a man by lying with him. But all the women children, who have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

            I don’t care if you tap dance better than Gene Kelly, that passage has god commanding genocide. It is revolting and there is no way to remove the stench.

      • Anton Viljoen

        YOU sound like an atheist 🙁 which is seriously sad !

        • ed-words

          ” Religion is bunk!” Thomas Edison.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            “He who thinks half-heartedly will not believe in God; but he who really thinks has to believe in God.” Isaac Newton

          • prinefan

            So?

    • Marie Adigwe

      I don’t think you understand. All religions are being treated the same in this case. No religious texts (i.e. Satanist, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, etc.) are allowed to be distributed. If kids want to be introduced to Jesus, they can go to church, but school just isn’t the place for religion because it causes too much conflict.

      • Neiman

        It ‘s funny you know, from the Pilgrims until 1962, this nation, being mostly Christian had no problems at all with the Christian faith and only the Christian faith in schools.

        Our founding fathers, the people who wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, even purchased Christian Bibles for our public schools. They took their public oaths of office using Christian prayers, started the sessions of Congress with Christian prayers and only Christian prayers, as they did virtually all public meetings. They made sure that Scriptures from the Christian Bible were engraved on most of our public buildings and monuments. Virtually all of them made public proclamations of their Christian faith. Most of our universities were founded by Christian denominations and most of their administrators and teachers were ministers or priests.

        Now why is it that the people who first came to America, our founding fathers and virtually all of our elected officials, at virtually every level of government, never had any problem at all promoting the Christian faith until recent decades?

        Just because the school board chose the cowards way out in proposing that they ban all religious materials, to satisfy the cheap thuggery of atheists and people on the left, does not make it right. It only causes conflict because these Christ hating people scream the loudest, because people of the Christian faith represent the greatest threat to their creating a godless, secularist utopia in America.

        • BHeezy

          Our founding fathers also created a country that allowed slavery and denied women the right to vote. Can we just go ahead and agree that “we used to do things this way” and “this is what our founding fathers wanted” aren’t actually as good of a reason to do something as you think?

          • Neiman

            In both the cases you mentioned, they amended the Constitution. To the best of my recollection they have not amended the Bill of Rights, are you going to get off your backside and start petitions now to outlaw the Christian religion, freedom of religion and make religion a criminal act?

          • tmservo

            Why would the need to amend the bill of rights? Freedom of religion means the freedom of all faiths. It always has. While there were missionaries to convert native americans, the chief division was the decision to make sure that different forms of christianity didn’t discriminate against each other (Catholics V Puritans V etc.) these divisions to many were just as severe.. and as a result, they made the effort to make sure that there would never be an official state religion and that a person was free to chose how they worship.

          • Neiman

            I do not disagree with your words above, I am replying to those that want all religion out of our schools, to silence the Christian faith.

            There there are three things I would like to point out.

            First, the First Amendment was intended for two things, being to prevent the federal government from establishing a national Christian denomination, but of equal emphasis was that they were not to be allowed to in any way inhibit the free exercise of religious faith. It is the free exercise part that most on the left despise.

            Next, this amendment was not designed to keep the states and individual communities and school districts from setting local standards of morality and religious practice. It was not designed to allow small anti-Christian minorities to dictate to these local communities and school districts.

            Lastly, the free exercise of one’s religious faith whether it be for students or teachers, does not stop at the doors schoolhouse, courthouse, the public square or government buildings.

          • MarkSebree

            The trouble is that nobody is trying to remove religion from public schools. What is going is that organizations are preventing public schools from endorsing a particular belief system since they are a government institution. This means that the school cannot teach your children to follow a set of religious beliefs that you yourself do not follow and do not want to teach them about. Teachers, coaches, and the administration cannot show favoritism to any set of religious beliefs, nor can they show disfavorism to towards any beliefs. If they children want to pray over their meals, they can. If they want to form an after-school Bible, Koran, Sutras, Torah, or any other religious works study, they can. If they want to start a Gay-Straight Alliance club, they can. If they want to form a Secular Students Association club, they can.

            Keep in mind that what you state and advocate in your last sentence means that the teachers and administrators can actively try to convert your children away from your beliefs that you are trying to teach them. If you do not like the idea of these teachers and administrators doing that to your children, why do you imagine that other parents feel differently than you do? This is the very reason why public schools must remain neutral with respect to religion.

          • infidel1000

            So, if the establishment clause doesn’t mean that religious groups are not allowed to use the government to support, subsidize, or otherwise advance a particular religion, then that means that religious groups are free to use the power of the government to do just that, and in effect force that religion on everybody, including those who don’t want it, by using the power of the government. Where’s the “freedom” in that? Do you think that the founders intended this? It’s a flagrant respect for the establishment of religion. Apparently, you think that “religious freedom” means the right to force your religion down the throats, or whatever orifice you prefer, of others, or of their children, with the legal help of the government, but you are wrong. No, you can not have freedom OF religion unless you have freedom FROM religion. Unless you understand this, then you must believe that muslims have the right to force their religion on you, too. I think we can agree on this point. Muslims don’t have that right, and neither do christians.

          • Lark62

            To “not inhibit religious faith” requires that the government also not be used to promote religious faith. If your childs teachers were all of different religion, you would not want those teachers instructing your child to pray to their gods.

          • prinefan

            Religion is a criminal act.

        • Marie Adigwe

          They did, but our Founding Fathers were also deists and Freemasons. I know this because it’s in a few history books that I’ve read and I have several Mason friends (they are required to know this information), and supporting Christianity was mainly to gain political support. You’ll find that out if you read books who weren’t written strictly for Christians. I’ve done both, and the freedoms in America were originally for rich white men as well. Slavery and woman beating was still allowed, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have changed. Times changed, people change, and therefore the laws will change. The Constitution also says that Congress can’t establish a national religion, according to the Establishment Clause, so Christianity was never the formal national religion of America because that’s illegal. As more diverse people come to America, and as natural born American citizens become more diverse in thoughts, religion, and lifestyles, I just don’t believe that religion should be used in schools for anything other than to learn about different cultures (i.e. history classes and religion classes) because it will cause more of a conflict. Christianity, along with Hinduism, Buddhism, and any other religion, just isn’t needed in schools because it isn’t necessary. It should be up to the parents to decide whether or not the children should be exposed to certain religions rather than those religions being shoved in their face. The school is responsible for that.

          • Neiman

            So what you are saying is that you are in favor of ignoring the Bill of Rights because of your hatred for the Christian faith? You are saying that despite the Founding Fathers being very favorable to the Christian faith in all their words and acts, just because you want to be very liberal minded and a humanist, you think the courts can just rewrite the Constitution a will and ignore the amendment process, right? You also don’t believe that states and local communities have any right to establish the moral and spiritual standards for their own people and they must silently surrender the the cheap political thuggery of anti-Christ forces of the Left, because you want it that way?

            Well that is very un-American of you, but is is obvious you are a liberal, you know a socialist and a disciple of the anti-Christ. So, you will get your way, your side is populated by cheap anti-constitutional thugs, you know an Obamanistas.

          • Marie Adigwe

            Nowhere in the Constitution is Christianity mentioned, and do your research and read a few history books. Yes, they were deists and supported Christianity because no Christian in those days would ever vote for a non-Christian. It’s very common for a politician to entice the public. Also, where did I say anything about rewriting the Constitution? Of course they were favorable to the majority of people because those were the people who would vote them into office. That’s how a politician wins. I mean, did you learn nothing from when Obama convinced the people that he was going to reduce taxes and lower gas prices and make America a better nation? That’s how he won, but he still never did it. Politicians manipulate. And yes, I am a humanist. Do you want to know how? I don’t engage in mission work. Humanism on a smaller scale than what the FFRF (I believe that they can take things too far sometimes) is doing is just being a kind citizen without using references to God, such as simple volunteer work. I think that states, to an extent, should have to abide by the Constitution, and the Constitution is set up so that we have religious freedoms. I think that individual rights set by the Bill of Rights is above state law, and the Bill of Rights says nothing about Christianity. You have to protect the individual’s rights. Also, stop judging my political views based on one opinion that I’ve given you. I’m a Libertarian, not a Democrat.

          • Neiman

            There were deists, there were Freemasons and some atheists; but the vast majority were bible believing Christians. Even deist Jefferson was the one that in the Northwest Treaty, that document that is used to set the rules for statehood, encouraged the Christian Bible be used/taught in our public schools to encourage morality and good citizenship. These people were not just friendly to Christians, the Constitutional Convention, every session of Congress, every public meeting were opened with Christian and only Christian prayer. They inscribed Bible verses on virtually every public building and monument. With rare exception until 1948 and that pig Hugo Black, there was not the slightest hint of hostility towards the Christian faith. But one damnable lie by Hugo Black and one decision by the Warren Court launched a war against the Christian faith, contrary to all our history until then.

            The fact is that while the First Amendment did intend there should be no national Christian Denomination, there was a most forceful prohibition against Congress making any laws infringing on the right of religious expression and other than the federal government, there is no prohibition against states or local communities promoting one faith over another, as long as people of other faiths or no faith, are not denied their rights as citizens to believe as they choose.

            Libertarians are the worst form of moral Libertines, they have no values, no morals they just don’t care as long as they get to do whatever they want.

          • Lark62

            Say what? You do not seem to understand that the first amendment also protects christians. Those who defend the first amendment defend your rights. Utah is 2/3 Mormon, but a public school teacher in Utah cannot promote the Mormon religion because protestants also have the right to attend public school without school officials trying to convert them.

            A catholic public school coach cannot ask players to pray to saints.

            The same rules apply to everyone. Students can pray alone or with others. Students can form clubs. Students can read religious or anti reigious literature. But the people employed by the school cannot promote one viewpoint over others or say “this is the approved religion.”

          • Neiman

            So, you are against the First Amendment as written, right? So change it, amend the Constitution, but until you do, what gives you the right to just arbitrarily change it to mean what you want, just because you hate people of faith?

            So, while from the Pilgrims, through the Founding Fathers and until 1948, they all promoted and allowed the Christian faith inside our public schools, thus affirming their views of the First Amendment were non restrictive on expression of the Christian faith in our schools, but you feel because you now disagree, we do not have to change the Constitution to reflect your biases, we just have to submit to your arbitrary anti-religion biases, right?

            Surely teachers and school administrators should not evangelize in the classroom or at any school functions nor do anything by word or deed to deny children of other faiths their right to express their views. Yet, if the moral values of the community are predominately Christian, why should these Christians be forced by the thuggery of a tiny, fractional minority have to endure their faith being silenced or be to forced to expose their children to reading materials which are contrary to their faith? If it the public school was predominantly Muslim, I suspect that you would not deny those children their right to receive pro-Islamic materials and would pitch a fit if Christians demanded the right to hand out materials to them that opposed Islam. You would in fact want the Christians silenced and you would in fact, defend whatever the Muslim leaders wanted.

          • Lark62

            “why should these Christians be forced … to expose their children to reading materials which are contrary to their faith?”

            Don’t you think the atheists and the muslims and the hindu and the sikhs and all the rest are asking this exact question every time the school hands out bibles or has christian prayer at an assembly?

            Why can’t christians extend to others the rights they expect for themselves? If one religion – mormon, or christian or muslim or whatever – can hand out literature, then all have equal access. But the school cannot pick one religion or religious viewpoint and say “this a good religion. we would like all children to follow this religion.”

          • prinefan

            Their Khriztian ” privilege, power, influence, favoritism, sense of entitlement and preferential treatment” they have enjoyed has spoiled them. They expect and demand supremacy, they won’t accept equality.

          • prinefan

            The ” moral values” of “The Majority” doesn’t amount to spit, it doesn’t matter about the majority, ie: Local, tribal, good ole boy preferences. Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said, ” When we apply the constitution, we don’t count heads”. That means it applies to all of us. Schools are for teaching secular education, churches are for teaching religion. The only thing the founders did and “intended” that we are bound by is the requirement to have bowel movements.

          • Neiman

            Justice O’Connor was a traitor to the United States. She insisted that her job was not just to interpret whether or not a law or regulation of action adhered to or violated the United States Constitution, but that they should apply international law and appeal to the Constitutions of other nations as a basis for their decisions.

          • prinefan

            America is no better than any other nation. Nationalism, patriotism, militarism, religionism-all mental sicknesses.

          • chiefwarrantofficer

            He apparently was home ‘schooled’ and as a result has a serious problem with reading comprehension and logical thinking.

        • Guzzman

          Many of the Founders were religious skeptics and Deists who did not believe in the supernatural at all. For example, Thomas Paine wrote an entire book (“The Age of Reason”) criticizing the legitimacy of the Bible, calling it a “fabulous mythology.” But the personal beliefs of the Founders were largely irrelevant to writing the Constitution because these men, with all of their religious differences of opinion, were committed to the “separation between religion and government” (to use Madison’s term).

          I guess the real question is why you seek to make a big deal out of the personal, religious beliefs of the authors of the Constitution? You seem to think that if the Founders can be identified as devout Christians, then it follows that the U.S. Constitution is a Christian document which embodies Christian principles and doctrines (as defined by the Christian Right, of course). This does not follow, however. A Christian is every bit as capable of creating a godless, secular document as an atheist is.

          Indeed, the fact that many of these men were devout Christians (even if not in the way that the Christian Right imagines) BOLSTERS the case of contemporary secularists
          because it makes the absence of overt religious and Christian language in the Constitution all the more glaring. If they had mostly been atheists, the lack of religious language in the Constitution would be expected and unremarkable. Yet because many were religious and steeped in Christian education, the complete absence of Christian language and
          references must be read as both deliberate and purposeful.

          So what might that purpose have been? To establish a secular government, untainted by the many problems which sectarian divisions, religious violence, and Christian bigotry had inflicted on European nations. To quote Madison: “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries [Letter objecting to the use of government land for churches, 1803].” For the most part, the authors of the Constitution succeeded. What I don’t understand is why the Christian Right in particular works so hard to undermine and undo what America’s Founders accomplished.

          • Neiman

            You are sadly in need of an education about the founding of this nation, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.

            Let me start with educating you, albeit with the knowledge that facts and truth are anathema to you, as you are motivated by your hatred of the Christian faith.

            When people start a corporation they start with their charter, which in essence is their setting forth the sand goals of their company, after that is clear in their minds and on paper, they develop by-laws that will set forth the rules to enable them achieve those goals. Our national charter, is the Declaration of Independence, which starts with statements about our being endowed by our Creator with certain basic rights and about our dependence upon Nature’s God, which was generally recognized as the God of the Holy Bible. It was penned by Jefferson, no Christian; but one who nonetheless recognized our dependence upon God as the sole Guarantor of our Liberty. The Constitution are our by-laws, written with the knowledge that they would honor our Creator as the very fabric of our nation in accordance with our national charter.

            Admitting we were created a secular nation, as we wanted to avoid the mistakes in so many other countries of that time, by not having any allegiance to any particular Christian Denomination. Yet, in the Bill of Rights, the very first right, the one having the greatest importance to our founders, was freedom of religion. They did make it clear therein by the establishment clause that we would not have any such national Christian Church, like the Church of England; while in the second and equally important clause, they carefully made sure that Congress was prohibited from passing any laws of any shape, manner or form, which inhibited the free expression of religious faith. Please note it did not make Christians, as you want it to say, second class citizens, it did not say we could have no role as citizens in influencing our laws to reflect our Christian morality nor that we could not or should not prefer only Christians as our elected leaders. Our first Supreme Court Chief Justice – John Jay, said, as a personal point of view, that Christians should select and only vote for Christians as their elected leaders.

            “The rights of the colonists as Christians…may be best understood by reading and carefully studying the institutes of the Great Law Giver and Head of the Christian Church [Jesus], which are to be found clearly written and promulgated in the New Testament.

            – Samuel Adams –

            Congress printed a Bible for America and said:

            “The United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States… a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools.”

            – United States Congress 1782

            Congress passed this resolution:

            “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”

            – United States Congress 1782

            “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.

            – John Adams

            The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.

            – John Adams

            Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

            – John Adams

            “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever. [We should be afraid, because people like you are now loudly insisting that our liberties come from man and not God]

            – Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Memorial

            There are many more, as I grant you there are also many quotes that warned against the dangers of religion. The point is that contrary to your history, the vast majority of our founders from the Pilgrims through almost two centuries as a nation, defended the Christian faith and no others, even the deists among them including Jefferson and Franklin made statements that indicated their belief we were born a nation of 13 Christian colonies, we were mostly in our leaders and people a Christian nation, that none intended the open hostility towards the Christian faith, even in our schools, that you Liberals and Libertarians want to force there now.

          • Guzzman

            Your account of history is largely fictional. The U.S. Congress did not print a Bible in 1782 for use in schools or anywhere else. There was no U.S. Congress in 1782 – it didn’t exist yet. There are several versions of this lie – Congress either requested the printing of the Bibles, granted publisher Robert Aitken permission to print them, contracted him to print them, paid for the printing, or had Bibles printed for the use of schools. Congress did none of these things. Your claim is a total fabrication. You are a liar. This story has been thoroughly debunked by historians.

            Also, as I already pointed out, your cherry-picked quotes and misquotes from various Founders is irrelevant to the fact that the Founding Fathers created an entirely god-free U.S. Constitution. The Establishment Clause in the First Amendment was specifically referred to by both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson as creating a wall of separation between religion and government. So your claim that the separation of church and state is a lie, is itself a fat, whopping lie.

            You seem to be attributing some importance to mention of a “Creator” in the Declaration of Independence. But who is this “Creator”? Is it Yahweh, is it the Christian god? Is it a placeholder into which you can imagine any god so that Muslims can imagine Allah or Hindus can imagine Brahma?

            No—the opening sentence clarifies: it’s not Yahweh, but “nature’s God.” At the time, this phrase was plainly understood to be the deist god of Enlightenment philosophers such as Spinoza and Voltaire. Deism was popular in Revolutionary America, and Franklin, Jefferson, Washington, and other founding fathers were either deists or inspired by the movement. Deism imagines a hands-off god, a creator who, once the clock is built and wound up, leaves it to tick by itself according to the “laws of nature.”

            The role of this “Creator” is clarified in the Declaration:

            “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

            In other words, this “Creator” has no role in government. The founders emphatically rejected divine sovereignty, or anything remotely resembling a “government under god.” God isn’t the foundation on which authority rests. No—it’s the consent of the governed. In any event, the Declaration had no legal bearing on the U.S. Constitution that came 12 years later. The god-free Constitution says “We the people” are the foundation on which authority rests, not Jesus or god or any other supernatural entity.

        • Lark62

          Stop relying on christian revisionist history. Congress bought bibles” has been debunked. The Constitution intentionally makes no mention of any god. Government buildings do not have bible verses engraved on them, except the Supreme Court which is covered with images, and biblical images are no more or less prominent than muhammed and the code of Hammurabi

        • BarkingDawg

          Speaking of pilgrims, did you know that one of the original puritans, Oliver Cromwell outlawed the celebration of Christmas?

          • Neiman

            No, I didn’t know, but I don’t doubt it, Christmas is really more a Roman Catholic celebration and not part of the Christian tradition, it was not celebrated by the early Church.

            http://www.gotquestions.org/Christmas-origin.html

            http://www.gotquestions.org/Christmas-origin.html

            http://www.gotquestions.org/Christmas-true-meaning.html

            I am certainly not in favor of making Santa the center of Christmas.

          • Josh Janson

            I don’t understand why you’re upset… Christianity is NOT being targeted here. Either every religion should be allowed to distribute their books, or none of them should.
            How would you feel if your child came home with a hijab and a copy of the Quran? It’s not fair to let Christians give out religious material if other religions can’t.

            Really, there should be NO religion in public schools. Separation of Church and State, and all.

          • Neiman

            I’m not upset just because I defend the truth,

            There is no such phrase as “separation of Church and State” in the Constitution, it was created out of whole cloth by Justice Hugo Black an extreme Leftist and former KKK member.

            The 1st Amendment does in the establishment clause prevent the State from establishing a national Church, keeping government out of religion; while, the second clause promises freedom of religious expression and forbids Congress from imposing any restrictions. There is nary a word that would in even the most remote way, restricting people of faith from expressing their faith anywhere in the United States, not even in government buildings or property. In fact if both speech and religious expression are denied full access to the public square and in buildings they own and on property they own as “the people,” then neither right exists at all.

            Muslims can distribute materials, but as most people profess to be Christians, they have a right to object, but not a right to stop them.

          • Josh Janson

            I’m not saying people shouldn’t be allowed to express their beliefs in the public sector, but there is a difference between expressing a religious belief and indoctrinating one. I wouldn’t be against a student or teacher wearing a hijab, or a turban, or a yamaka, or cross. I’m not even against teaching children about religion. Various religions. However, Public School is not a place for distributing religious material for anything other than informative or educational purposes. It’s not a place to preach, or recruit. And if you disagree, thats fine, but if it’s okay for Christians, then it should be okay for every religion. Even Satanism.

      • ed-words

        He doesn’t WANT to understand.

      • Jaded

        Satanism isn’t a religion!! May as well introduce a worship of oranges and demand that be allowed to be distributed too! This is absolutely ludicrous! Judges, lawmakers and others of authority need to learn to say NO! And Back Off! Instead of catering to that small percentage wrecking havoc on our society because they “don’t like religion”.

        • Marie Adigwe

          LaVeyan Satanism is a religion though…

          • Jaded

            I’d never heard of that Marie. I don’t consider someone creating a “religious philosophy” out of atheism in 1966 a true religion. Again, if the criteria for a religion was just a philosophy then anyone could create a religion out of anything.
            Forcing scools to distribute ones own philosophy in the name of religion is wrong.

          • Josh Janson

            Who are you to decide what is and is not a religion? Either all of it is okay, or none of it is. Plain and simple. Would you be okay with them handing out the Quran? Or a Wiccan spell book?

          • Marie Adigwe

            It is a religion. Philosophy constitutes a large part of religion. While atheism alone is not a religion, LaVeyan Satanism has doctrines, rites, practices, philosophies, and holidays, so it doesn’t matter what you consider a religion. In reality, it is still a religion despite your personal opinion.

    • Charles Filorux

      Public schools: your children, other people’s ideas.
      Why should my children be cannon fodder for the lunatic asylum?
      How about this idea: the satanists, atheists and their kin should start
      schools of their own that fully embody their godless ideals, and put their own children in them. They can then see the bitter fruit of their teachings in their
      own families. Actually, they should be forced to do this as soon as they complain, and to allow those who would honour Christ to do so. (This assumes that they actually have children of their own that they did not abort.)

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

        Originally “public” schools were a place where children could receive a standard Protestant education. Thus, Catholic schools were started as Catholics did not want their children to learn Protestant ways. Then in the 60s Margaret Murray O’Hare started a one-man crusade against prayer in school…and we’ve been sliding downhill ever since! Wanna know why there’s school shootings? Underage drinking? Teen suicide? It all went through the roof after the standard Protestant education was removed from “public” schools. Now the Catholic schools are welcoming ALL people of faith who do NOT want their children to associate with ANTI-theists. I know because I work in a Catholic school. I’ve also received feedback from public high-school teachers…they know when a student is from a Catholic (or any other Religious) school because the child is more apt to pay attention, do their assignments, GET HIGHER GRADES and GRADUATE WITH HIGH HONORS. You can’t say that about the anti-theist children!!

        • SashaC

          What ridiculous histrionics.

          Atheists don’t need to start their own schools, because we have separation of church and state and we always will. Religious people who want faith based curriculum have to start their own schools, and they have. You work at one.

        • ed-words

          Your schools are being closed all over the country.
          The nuns are gone. The scandals grow.

          Our TOP scientists, 90% atheist, graduated WITH HONORS.
          Einstein did ‘all right’.

          • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

            And yet the US still struggles with illiteracy, unemployment, drug & alcohol abuse, violence, and on and on. If you are so smart, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND BE USEFUL instead of starting trouble on a Christian website. Really commenting here is like throwing a rock at a nest of hornets. Nobody with any common sense would be doing that. But then again, anti-theists have never been ones to have any common sense…see the story about the lady with the pot on her head for reference….

          • ed-words

            I’ll leave you in your little religious ‘bubble’.
            Have a wonderful afterlife. Adieu.

      • ed-words

        Speaking of lunatics, who still believes in exorcisms?

    • ed-words

      No. Their goal is to keep government institutions and its representatives
      from promoting religion. Students can pray all they want at school,
      on their own. Atheists are playing DEFENSE (and winning lots of court cases.)

      • Neiman

        Yes atheists are winning a lot of court cases, because liberals have been successful in bringing a lot Constitution hating, Bill of Rights hating and antichrist people into the judiciary. God told us Christians that this time in history the forces of antichrist would, for a short season, be on the winning side, that you and your fellow travelers would succeed in criminalizing the Christian faith and in making Christians into enemies of your socialist state.

        What you will win in the end is to horrific to contemplate, to your own destruction and that too he said would happen; but, it will never make it right and it is wholly contrary to what our founding fathers intended.

        • ed-words

          Judges, not preachers, have the power to interpret
          the Constitution.And they won’t allow you to take over our
          public schools and courts. Last time I checked, religious schools
          were still open for business.

          The Iraqi Christians would love to be ‘persecuted’
          in such a manner.

    • prinefan

      Religion is child (and human abuse) and should be wiped from the face of the earth-I have a dream.

      • ed-words

        It is dying on its own. Just play defense.

        • prinefan

          Wish it would hurry up.

    • ed-words

      Satan? Booga-booga. Get on with your life.

  • TheBBP

    Looks like the Satanists won. It is likely the exact outcome that they ultimately wanted.

    • Jeff Cleveland

      Of course. Non religious people have been saying for decades that Christians don’t get why separation of church and state is GOOD for Christianity, while Christians continued to think the law allows for ONLY their beliefs and ONLY other beliefs they approve of. So this was the perfect situation to SHOW the otherwise dense headed Christians exactly the problem with thinking religion should be in schools. If so, by the law, a school is REQUIRED to allow ALL religious views to be distributed. It’s like the non religious are saying, “See? And it took THIS to get you to understand what we’ve been saying?”

      • Guest

        Which is exactly why our children a taught at home, by my wife and I. Any parent that believes the Bible to be the Word of God should be doing the same.

      • Erin Carol Ponzo

        Satanists do not have any conscience of what they are doing as wrong. You are fooled to think they don’t have another motive.

      • Neiman

        The only problem you have is that separation of church and state is a lie. It does not appear in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It was created by an extreme left-wing liberal Supreme Court justice, whp extracted that phrase from a single line, in a single letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists. Jefferson used that phrase because there was a widespread rumor when he was running for president that he was going to name a national Christian denomination, as was common in Europe at the time. He was trying to reassure these ministers that he had no such intention.

        If you read the First Amendment there is not a single word nor even the most remote hit of any separation of church and, as that antichrist justice Hugo Black falsely tried to make it appear. That first clause in the First Amendment, the very first right among all the rights mentioned, was mostly a prohibition against Congress establishing a national church and to prevent them from in any way, shape, manner or form, in restricting the free exercise of religious faith in the United States. It in no way hints that the Christian church or any religion for that matter has no right in influencing our laws nor in their preferring like-minded Christian people as their elected representatives. It in no way prohibits states or local school districts from allowing the most free expression of Christian faith in the public square or in their schools.

        So you are allowed to oppose the Christian church, you are allowed it to promote your hate of the Christian faith without any restrictions, but when you promote the lie of separation, I feel responsible to correct your error.

        • D. Morgan

          Well done. The progressives, secularists and athiests all use legalistic manuevering and quotes taken out of context to further their ultimate goal. That goal is a national religion, secular humanism. A false religion, much like islam, to lead souls astray and further the work of the father of all lies, satan. We will see this spread in the coming years. And sadly many churches are helping them by not teaching the truth of the gospel.

        • Guzzman

          You are sadly misinformed about the principle of separation of church and state being a recent invention of the Supreme Court.

          Jefferson and Madison explicitly wrote that the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause builds a wall of separation between church and government. James Madison (Founding Father and framer of the U.S. Constitution) wrote in 1820, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment provides a “separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States.” Later, the Supreme Court gave great deference to Madison’s and Jefferson’s descriptive metaphor.

          But the Founders did not merely say there should be separation of church and state; rather, they actually separated them by (1) establishing a secular government on the power of “We the people” (not a deity), (2) saying nothing to connect that government to god(s) or religion, (3) saying nothing to give that government power over matters of god(s) or religion, and (4), indeed, saying nothing substantive about god(s) or religion at all except in a provision precluding any religious test for public office.

          Given the norms of the day, the Founders’ avoidance of any expression in the Constitution suggesting that the government is somehow based on any religious belief was quite a remarkable and plainly intentional choice. They later buttressed this separation of government and religion with the First Amendment, which constrains the government from undertaking to establish religion or prohibit individuals from freely exercising their religions. The basic principle, thus, rests on much more than just the First Amendment.

    • DD

      It’s a hollow victory because Jesus Christ will be victorious in the end.

      • TheBBP

        Amen.

  • Gary

    I pray against this in Jesus’ name. I break the power of the enemy over the media and plead the Blood of Jesus over the schools.

    • Erin Carol Ponzo

      Amen!

  • Tiffany Day Mamane

    They know exactly what they are doing. Satan has a goal to turn you away from God. Getting the Bible removed is like winning the jackpot to them.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Amen, Tiffany! The ultimate goal will be to get the Bible declared as “hate speech,” as is very close to happening in the UK.

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

        Ever wondered why Christians are hated? See this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l22FkxaodME&list=UUpITe256E0HOmw-KqWYWDhw

        • Demmi Greene

          ”Ever wondered why Christians are hated?”

          No, we don’t have to wonder. John 3:19

          ”This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.”

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well-done, Demmi! I was gonna reply, but when I saw your colossal spanking, I must bow to your wisdom. Keep up the great work!

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Nice, John – thanks! I saw a MacArthur piece once that basically said that, if we are not being shunned by the false prophets, and called Pharisees (unfairly) by the cheap grace crowd, on a fairly regular basis, then we really are not being true to Christ and we are not sharing His “offensive” Gospel. It was quite the call to boldness. God bless you!

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            PTL brother…many videos on the playlist that you might enjoy! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I will take you up on that advice – thank you so much! I love the sign off “Maranatha!” I am ashamed to admit that I only recently found out what that meant and the context it was originally used in. I was a pretty strong anti-Christian for 42 years, but I have been trying, by the Grace of God, to make up for it since then. Not in a salvation sense, of course, but in a striving for holiness and understanding of God’s revelation. And, I really have a heart for witnessing, especially to my former comrades, the a-theists and anti-Christian crowd. Because if the Lord HAD come, before I was 42, I would be in a well-deserved Hell right now. 🙁 And, it KILLS me to see the New A-theists clinging to their false, blind faith religion, when there is so much evidence out there for God’s Revelation. God bless you, John!

        • Christian

          I’m confused here. Are you an atheist trying to show why Christians should be hated? If so maybe you should watch your own video before you post it in an effort to sway others! This video just supported the TRUE Christians. Please remember there are fakes of everything-even atheists and sometimes people don’t even really know what they believe. They don’t have time or care to take time to figure it out so they just latch on to whatever is easiest or most appealing to them.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            No. The question is clear. Have you ever wondered why Christians hated? The video gives the answer. I am not an atheist. I read my Bible (KJV) daily. I will and will always believe, trust and have faith in the Eternal Godhead. No need for confusion, brother. Its a reply to the article.

          • Christian

            Sorry bout that. Too many fakes these days and it’s sad there’s a video to point it out:-(

    • ed-words

      You really believe in Satan? Booga-booga!

      (Has he ever materialized?)

    • chiefwarrantofficer

      Nope, ‘christians’ just use satan as an excuse to do whatever evil they wish and don’t want to be held responsible for.

      • MrsM

        Everybody is born a sinner and I God will forgive whoever will repent.

        • chiefwarrantofficer

          Everyone is born without sin; sorry that your birth [and associated future life] was such a failure.

          Nine month delay in response – just get released from a mental institution or jail?

          • MrsM

            No just working and taking care of my family.

          • chiefwarrantofficer

            And presuming that you and your fictional being know anything about others or has the authority to do anything to or for others, got it!

            And I will note that you are also so cowardly that you have to hide your bigotry & hatred from public view, what a perfect example of the filth you are.

    • TiredOfTheBS

      It’s the iron in the buildings. Get your facts straight. 🙂 God just doesn’t do iron. Check your bible. 😉 Judges 1:19 “The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.”.

  • Mark Barker

    Oh yeah, eternity in Hell is a great option. I really can’t understand why anyone would think Satan cares whether or not someone worships him. If you don’t worship God, you already are worshiping Satan. Anything you do that does not glorify God is glorifying Satan. You don’t need to actively seek to worship him. All you have to do to get into Hell is nothing.

    • sean

      Oh yeah, eternity in the underworld is a great option. I really can’t understand why anyone would think Hades cares whether or not someone worships him. If you don’t worship Zeus, you already are worshiping Hades. Anything you do that does not glorify Zeus is glorifying Hades. You don’t need to actively seek to worship him. All you have to do to get into the underworld is nothing…. now doesn’t that sound ridiculous?

      • Erin Carol Ponzo

        That does sound ridiculous, because we aren’t talking about Greek mythology. We are talking about the most deceptive evil entity to ever exist.

        • sean

          if you put any god and any evil entity from any of the 4200+ religions from around the world (most of which have the most deceptive evil entity ever) you want in there and it all sound pretty ridiculous.

  • jennylynn

    The gates of hell will NOT prevail against Christ’s Church. Matthew 16:18

  • Erin Carol Ponzo

    Let’s say I’m an atheist, which I’m not however, Christianity promotes peace and value and morale and love and respect for human kind. Satanism promotes murder, evil, worshiping demons, and most importantly sacrifice of the human soul. No school district has the moral or legal obligation under any law to allow promotion of any “religion” that brings people into a life of crime and disservice to their fellow man. Yes Christ is the way, however spreading Satanism is not like spreading let’s say, Buddhism. Both would not lead to salvation but at least the love shared in Buddhism would not destroy lives. The people running this country believe we are morons and don’t see that they themselves are Satanists. They will realize on judgment day when the face the wrath of God and eternal punishment what morons they were. Unless, I pray they turn from their ways and find the salvation of Christ.

    • sean

      atheist and satanism have nothing to do with each other …. atheists do not believe in a satan or hell either …. I can see now how Christianity promotes peace and values and love, if you do not believe in the christian god you will face an eternality of punishment and torture … that is a good moral thing to teach small children.
      Erin, you were brought up with the bias that the christian faith was the one true religion, without using the bible, how do you know your god is the right god there are 4200+ religions in the world all claiming that their religion is the one true religion and they ALSO have a sacred texts that states theirs is the one true religion and it is their god that rules the universe. So what if you are wrong? what if on judgement day you didn’t believed in the salvation of mohammad then you are going to jahannam. If you were born in middle east where islam is the one true religion you would be saying that. my point is public school should only teach what is tangible and can be proven by observation and experimentation and leave belief and faith out of education completely.

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

    Government schools are not a safe place for children…

    http://remnantofgod.org/archivedhomeschoolspurs.htm

  • YemiO

    Satanists and atheists are two sides of the same coin.

    • sean

      actually they are NOT … satanist have a belief in a “fallen angel” that somehow can control actions. atheists don’t believe in a god, satan, heaven or hell.

      • YemiO

        Yes they are. It is Satan that has blinded the eyes of people so that they have lost spiritual sight and cannot see God. God is spirit and can only be spiritually perceived. Satan already controls the heart of un-regenerated men. Satanists have spiritual sight but they choose to side with the devil, whose lies they have believed because he is a liar and he appears as an angel of light. Wrong knowledge and ignorance are two sides of the same coin.

        • sean

          Wrong knowledge and ignorance are two sides of the same coin. you can say that again!

  • YemiO

    The US is fast becoming an undemocratic democracy. Somehow by smuggling in the clause of protecting minorities and freedom for all democratic principles no longer work. Of course once the paradigm shift they seek has been effected they will once again return to democracy. Every community should vote and decide if they want religious materials in schools. That is hoe democracy should work. Every state is voting on homosexuality, so why can’t every community vote on religion. If you don’t like it move and create your own community.

    • rtokar

      Thankfully we are a constitutional republic. not a democracy.

    • LaPalmaDan

      If you haven’t noticed, almost all the states that voted against homosexual marriage have been overturned by the Supreme Court. That is because communities CAN’T make their own rules that discriminate against people they don’t like. That is unconstitutional. This is why I LOVE the constitution!

      • MarkSebree

        Actually, they have been overturned by the Federal Courts of Appeals, the last level before the US Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has not taken up the question of same-sex marriage in an of itself. Rather, it “punted” on the question by stating that since, at the time, all the Federal Courts of Appeals that have addressed the issue had ruled the same way, there was not a legal question for the Supreme Court to settle.

        That changed recently with the Sixth District Court of Appeals’ ruling which upheld the bans on same sex marriage in 3 states. This means that either this session or the next session, the Supreme Court is likely to take up the question of the legality of same sex marriages, and whether or not the states can ban same sex marriages, and nullify such marriages that were performed in other states where it is legal.

        Having said all that, I agree with you that States and communities cannot violate the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of Equal Protection under the law, and Equal Application of the law. One of the primary functions of the US Constitution is to protect the rights of the minorities against the will of the majority.

  • Marc Jarett

    Excellent news! Religious freedom for all, or none!

  • tmservo

    A frankly brilliant tactic used by a group I wish would also go away (Satanists) to point out that if you start distributing religious material in a public environment, all represented religions are legally entitled to equal time. I wonder if the Bhudists and Scientologists have coloring books?

  • Zach Wolfe

    Not everyone has the same religion as you, if you want Christians to receive unearned privilege and recognition in school, send your kids to a private Christian school or homeschool them. Not everyone cares about God, Jesus or Satan, and not everyone enjoys people pushing God, Jesus or Satan on them. Guess I’ll “burn in hell” for saying that people should have a right to choose their own religion in a country where the law allows you to choose your own religion.

    • Zach Wolfe

      By the way, if you were offended by my statement, congratulations, you now know how everyone who is not Christian feels every single day in this country.

  • Peter Leh

    it is all or nothing. If you let one religious group on public land you must allow all who wish to participate…. or ban all. otherwise it is establishment of a religion.

  • ed-words

    Public schools are not Bible academies! Students can buy Bibles for a buck at the dollar store and read them on the playground. Pushy. Pushy.

  • The Last Trump

    Gotta love the libtarbs defending Satanism on here! What a bunch of morons. Some folks just like to argue. Really getting tired of this nonsense that America was never a Christian nation. America may never have been “officially” declared a Christian nation. And yet, government and public processes were run according to the Bible, and no other religious text whatsoever. Don’t know how many other different ways I can say it. When your government officials, including the top leader himself, and the judges that form the nations laws swear oaths to the Christian God with their hands on the Holy Bible, representing the HIGHEST LAWS of the land, clearly superseding their own, THAT is pretty self explanatory. You think? I never recited a Buddhist prayer in my life, never mind in PUBLIC school! Did you? Don’t even know what they celebrate for holidays either. Them, or any other religion on the planet. But my COUNTRY made darn sure I said the Lord’s Prayer, and celebrated Christmas and Easter, whether I wanted to or not. And I’m so thankful it did or I may never had repented for my own rebellion against God had I never been exposed to His nature from childhood. But yes, never a totalitarian Christianity forced upon all. And so, generations were able to grow up with the freedom to choose as they see fit and this one sure has! That generally doesn’t happen in a totalitarian theocracy does it! But Christian we were in every other sense of the word, once upon a very wonderful time that only exists now in fond memories of days gone by. Which will go down in the history books as “the days of blessing”. How we doing now, folks? Feeling very “blessed” these days? Wonder why…

    • chiefwarrantofficer

      The ‘country’ may have claimed to be ‘christian’ but they have never lived up to those ideals in the entire time there has been an “America.”

      Even a little education on what those ‘good christians’ have done would have you ranting about the horrors if the names were changed to any other group in any other location.

      If individuals and a nation do not actually life up to the ideals they loudly proclaim, they are no better than the trash you complain about in other countries.

      • The Last Trump

        There will always be people who claim to be something they’re not. That’s why we consider actions, not words. And it is a matter of historical record that it was Christian people in Christian nations who abolished slavery, established laws protecting individual rights, elevated the status of women, protected the rights of children, established unprecedented worldwide humanitarian organizations like The Red Cross and The Salvation Army, and inspired some of the greatest works of art, architecture, music, and literature the world has ever seen. Christianity flourished in America and brought hope, civility and humanitarian aid to nations in need all around the globe. But this light is going out quickly around the world today and America now will be as dark as all the other countries she, herself, used to bring hope to.

        • chiefwarrantofficer

          You might try learning some economic history. The north was against slavery as it lowered the wages of free men, not because it was immoral. And while slaves were ‘freed’ there was little effort to educated or employ them for decades after that little civil war. It took almost a hundred years to get even close to equal education and even more time before the civil rights act was signed. That act, 50 years ago, is still not being fully followed. Woman would not vote until less than a century ago.

          Seems it takes ‘christians’ a couple of millennia to evev start complying with those basic rules of christian behavior. Pretty sad state of affairs and you want to claim change that did not necessarily originate with said ‘christians’ in an attempt to claim credit for positive changes that they fought against for centuries if not millennia.

          And most of the ‘greatest’ works of any sort were not produced in American, not produced by Christians, nor pertinent to the comment that christians do not act like christ!

          • The Last Trump

            You’re delusional. Your hatred of Christianity clearly blinds you to fact. You’re not the first, and you won’t be the last. I’m certainly not going to argue about what recorded history has already proven. Oh, did you think it was your fellow atheists who had compassion on their fellow man and accomplished these milestones? Hardly! Make no mistake, these changes came from Christian people in Christian nations and from nowhere else. But you go ahead and believe in fairy tales. Let me guess – evolution too? And I said “Christian nations” by the way, of which America was once. Please try to keep up. If I’m going too fast just scroll back up and re-read. Take your time now – you might learn something.

          • chiefwarrantofficer

            I don’t hate your mythology, I hate the harm that you do in the name of that mythology. I hate the religious wars, I hate the bigotry, I hate the constant pressure that your way is the only way except there are way too many sects for YOU to actually have A WAY.

            There was no defense of satanism in my post. I don’t believe in YOUR Satan either.

          • The Last Trump

            Sounds like you have a problem with hate. Good luck with that.

          • chiefwarrantofficer

            You would too if you would study a little history of what the religious have done to America since roughly 1550. but since that time period is not covered in your book of myths, I doubt you actually study any real history in your schools. Would not want those precious children to learn what terrible things you and your ilk have done in the name of religion.

          • The Last Trump

            History major. Four years university education. See, this is why you don’t make assumptions or stereotype. You just end up looking stupid.

  • prinefan

    Getting rid of religious privilege-it should a have been done a long time ago.

  • prinefan

    The only thing the 1st settlers and our ancestors did that we are obligated to do too, is have bowel movements.

  • Lark62

    Kindly explain how asking for the exact same rights enjoyed by christians equates to asking for “special treatment”?

  • timetorun

    We live in a pluralistic, multicultural society because this is what unbridled freedom creates. America was primarily a Christian culture and could have remained that way if the framers had chosen to write the constitution with this specific theological framework in mind. They chose not to. The government has chosen to welcome all gods which flies directly into breaking the first of the 10 commandments. We are a nation headed for utter disaster.

  • intellectone

    First of all, Satanism is not a religion. Religion means to connect with God. Satan would never ever be accepted by God nor would he be able to connect with God. The Constitution of the United States of American guarantees, ‘Freedom of Religion’, therefore,the School System, paid for by tax dollars, should allow the Christian coloring books for the children. Again, satanism. has ‘No Standing’ as a ‘Religion’. America is a Judeo- Christian Nation. To deny that America is a Judeo-Christian Nation is to expose one’s self to the ignorance of America’s History. The Founding Fathers operated from the mindset of the Christian when writing the Constitution of the United States of America..

  • Jack Rohde

    The downfall of man is near, because we reject the love of Jesus.

  • Nora Shaw

    Political correctness is the death of this great country…So sad

    • BarkingDawg

      It’s called “Constitutional Correctness.”

  • BarkingDawg

    In the long run, the school district’s decision was the correct one.

    Creating an open forum just serves to disrupt the core academic mission of the schools.

    No religeous materials at all should be distributed in a public school.

  • Carole

    Has the world gone stark raving mad!!
    When are we going to get back to right and wrong again? Satan is evil and God is righteous and holy. Why would anyone want a child to read or use a book written by satanists?