‘Uncomfortable’ UK University Students Want Gideon Bibles Removed from Rooms

Aberystwyth Credit Steve FABERYSTWYTH, U.K. — Students at the University of Aberystwyth in the U.K. are seeking the removal of Gideon Bibles from their dorm rooms as the presence of the Scriptures allegedly makes them feel “uncomfortable.”

According to reports, a poll conducted by the student union revealed that 50 percent of respondents said the Bibles make them feel “uncomfortable” or that they considered them to be “inappropriate.” Only four percent of students who participated in the poll said that they supported the presence of the Bibles.

“The inclusion of Bibles in university bedrooms is inappropriate in a multicultural university such as Aberystwyth,” student John Morgan stated during a student council meeting last month. “It could be offensive for some, and the university should provide a safe space for students to explore and develop their beliefs in a neutral environment.”

He said, however, that he believed Bibles should still be available for students who want one, and suggested that future applications allow students to indicate whether or not they would like a Bible in their room.

The Christian Institute, a UK-based legal organization, told reporters that students are overreacting over simply having a Bible placed in a drawer or other location.

“It is hard to imagine how a person could actually be offended by a Bible simply being in their room,” a spokesperson stated. “Banning the Bible because some people might be uncomfortable with it would be a huge overreaction.”

James Catford, a former student and now Group Chief Executive of the Bible Society, said that if students are seeking to be more diverse, removing the Bibles is not the answer.

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“The answer to a diverse and multicultural society is not to remove all traces of diversity. That seems illiberal and intolerant,” he told the Daily Mail. “As a graduate of the university, I would challenge those who are voting to spend some time with Luke’s gospel, for example, so they can make an informed decision.”

A proposal to have the Bibles removed is expected to be submitted later this month.

Last year, the hotel chain Travelodge pulled the Gideon Bibles from all its rooms, likewise citing concerns over multiculturalism.

“The reason is because of diversity. With the country being increasingly multicultural, we didn’t feel it was appropriate to just have the Bible,” the company told reporters. “People were also taking Bibles away and with the redesign of the rooms, it was felt that it would be better to remove them.”

Gideon’s International was founded in 1899 in Janesville, Wisconsin, and first began distributing Bibles in 1908.

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  • Gary

    This is not a mystery. When you spend your time drinking, taking drugs, and fornicating, of course knowing that Bible is in the drawer would make you uncomfortable.

    • Spoob

      What about all the people there who DON’T do those things?

      • Fundisi

        Might know you would come in and stand against the Bible and for those that hate Christ.

        • Spoob

          And how would you feel about the Koran in all hotels? This is your problem. You want a theocracy, not a democracy. Be careful what you wish for.

          • Fundisi

            It is false that I have ever wanted a theocracy, that is until Christ returns and then I definitely want a global theocracy, until then no. But, unlike you, I feel Christians are citizens and have both a right and a duty to ONLY vote for Spirit filled people for elective office and to try and influence laws at every level that reflect their moral/spiritual values.

            I have no problem with the Qur’an, the Mormon Bible or others, albeit I think Christians should not choose such establishments when seeking a hotel room and then let the market decide.

          • Spoob

            And do you not see why attitudes such as yours might make some people uncomfortable? I know you walk around calling it the “truth” but to many people you are way off base. I would NEVER vote for someone to elected office who calls themselves a fundamentalist Christian because I don’t believe they are firmly grounded in reality – so many of them/you see this world as depraved and filthy and would press the self-destruct button in a heartbeat, and I for one like the world I live in and don’t want crazed zealots making decisions like that for me. I also don’t want to elect anyone whose “values” include sticking it to women, atheists, homosexuals, and others you deem to be inferior.
            As for universities, what’s wrong with making it available to those who request it? Seems reasonable enough.

          • Gary

            You like the world as it is because you love your sins, and the sins others commit. None of you will submit yourselves to God. That is why the Bible makes you uncomfortable.

          • Spoob

            Don’t be a self-righteous twit Gary, I don’t love my sins, nobody does. I submit myself to God, but not to the mockery of a God you have chosen to worship, the tyrannical hateful monster you have made up in your own deluded mind.

          • Gary

            The Bible says people do love their sins. There is no way that you have ever submitted yourself to God. You are a wicked sinner on your way to Hell.

          • Spoob

            You are not God and you do not speak for God. You do not know me. Your opinion is worthless and your morality is vile. Your judgement is s farce and your hate is all you have.

          • Gary

            I know what you have written. I know you support homosexuality and detest people who believe the Bible. If I only knew those two things, it would be enough to know you cannot be right with God.

          • James Grimes

            His argument is all smoke, so he has to resort to name-calling. He must be missing his buddy already.

          • Spoob

            I’m surprised you are still here Grimy, didn’t all your new friends here drive you out on a rail yet?

          • Spoob

            You are a filthy liar. I believe in the Bible myself, I detest people who mine hatred and intolerance from the Bible as you do.

          • Fundisi

            You have admitted that your belief in the Bible includes tolerance of homosexuality and gay marriage and that it is highly flawed and need not be taken literally. So, you don’t believe in the Bible, you believe in it only to the extent that it reinforces your prejudices. Tell me when you talk about mining it for hatred, what about Jesus in Revelations commending two churches for hating certain false teachings and approval of sexual immorality which He said He also hated, was/is Jesus intolerant? What about those things He hates and God says He hates?

          • Gary

            You are a liar. You do not believe the Bible. If you did, you would not support homosexuals.

          • Spoob

            You pervert God’s word by hating homosexuals. You are too irresponsible to be a Christian.

          • Fundisi

            Does God or does He not hate sin? Did Jesus say or did He not say He hates sin and commends His children for hating them too?

            God nor any Christian hates homosexuals, we hate the sin, the conduct, because we know if unrepented, such people are choosing hell and we want to see as many as possible find Christ, healing and eternal life, which demands we oppose sin that some might repent and find life.

          • Spoob

            Focus on your own sin, and let God judge what He deems to be sin in others.

          • Fundisi


            Should Christians judge? Jesus commanded men to judge rightly and He told them to “judge not.” Did the Lord contradict Himself? Or does the Bible say more about judging than Christians are generally taught?

            Don’t judge? But Jesus repeatedly taught men to judge rightly, insisting they “judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24) and He praised a man who “rightly judged” (Luke 7:43). Paul shamed the Corinthian Christians because no one among them was willing to “judge the smallest matters” (1 Cor. 6:2). As the Apostle wrote, “He who is spiritual judges all things” for “we have the mind of Christ” (1 Cor. 2:15-16).

            So even in this, you prove your rejection of God and His Word. I must add, any true Christian is constantly judging his own failures and lives in repentance, that they might judge all this rightly.

            http://kgov.com/should-christians-judge

          • Spoob

            But yours isn’t righteous judgment. Yours is SELF-righteous judgment. You are taking something you do not understand and make no attempt to understand, judge it, condemn it, and care nothing about those you hurt in the process. You are in fact doing the opposite of what JESUS tells you to do.

          • Fundisi

            That is your opinion and when I am confronted by a false Christian, one like you that rejects God’s Word, forgive me if I really don’t value anything you have to say.

          • Spoob

            You say far more than you intend to in that statement. You expose yourself as a charlatan over and over on this forum.

          • Gary

            According to the Bible, homosexuality is condemned.

          • Spoob

            So is eating shellfish and mixing textiles. Do you wear cotton/poly shirts or eat at Red Lobster?

          • Gary

            The Bible says people do like their sins. Which not only proves you wrong, but also proves that you don’t know or believe what is written in the Bible.

          • Spoob

            You have proven precisely nothing, Gary. You know nothing at all.

          • David silverman

            Nobody who knows what is in the Bible could believe what is in the Bible.

          • Fundisi

            Nobody? As to the original manuscripts, which have been translated with incredible accuracy, many millions of Christian believe it to be inerrant from cover to cover.

          • David silverman

            That isn’t anybody’s problem but theirs.

          • David silverman

            “Christians are citizens and have both a right and a duty to ONLY vote for Spirit filled people for elective office” – then you hate democracy, diversity and tolerance, just like almost every Christian that has ever lived.

          • Fundisi

            Interesting, how did you come to that conclusion or are you unable to offer support for your false claims?

          • Spoob

            He is exactly right, your statement shows that you hate democracy, diversity and tolerance. Unless you have a different explanation about what “spirit filled” people are.

          • James Grimes

            Diversity is a big lie, but liberals cling to it with their lifeblood.

          • David silverman

            Which proves my point about tolerance. Quod Erat Demonstrandum

          • Fundisi

            That is stupid!

          • James Grimes

            Who is this clown “Silverman?” Is he his own gift to this forum? He must think that we will take him seriously.

          • David silverman

            Why would I think that? You flatter yourself if you think I’m taking you seriously….

          • James Grimes

            “You flatter yourself if you think I’m taking you seriously….” You already have.

          • David silverman

            LMAO

          • David silverman

            Also: “Spiritual” values categorically aren’t moral values, in fact they are morally bankrupt since they make a virtue of ignorance.

          • Fundisi

            Again, without being specific you fail to make a case.

          • David silverman

            And another thing: You proclaim that Christians have a duty to vote for laws that reflect their values. Yet again, you show that you despise democracy, diversity and tolerance.

            Please explain why a tolerant society should tolerate you?

          • Fundisi

            Besides your intolerance of others yourself, which is hypocrisy, how is only promoting laws that reflect our values to despise the things you listed? You are not very good at making a point very clearly, are you?

          • David silverman

            I’m only intolerant of brainwashed bigots.

          • Fundisi

            So in your liberal world, tolerance is everything, unless it is tolerance of Bible believing Christians, okay, got it?

          • James Grimes

            Disregard the troll. He hates God and any of His followers. He hates the Bible because he knows the message will convict him.

          • David silverman

            You’re not very good at understanding things, that is clear.

          • Fundisi

            Okay, thanks for admitting you are unable to say anything in an intelligent manner.

          • M Diaz

            hahhah,

            so you make claims for which you are unwilling to demonstrate how you came to the conclusion are factual claims and then you claim David Silverman is unable to say anything in an intelligent manner…

            i wonder what ever happened to the idea that christians are to be meek and humble forgiving and patient…?

            i guess that is asking for too much, eh?

            you have failed miserably if you think you are representing a being that is the source of humility, meekness, forgivness and patience…

            why don’t you do yourself a favor and go into your prayer closet, and stay there…i guarantee everyone, including you, will benefit form that.

          • Fundisi

            You are right to laugh. It is so funny when atheists try and tell Christians how they should act, even practical atheists that think they are Christians. You are right, that is funny!

          • M Diaz

            it must be very disconcerting when you’re being kept honest, eh?
            i have read the bible therefore i am holding you accountable to what it is you claim to be…
            so far you have demonstrated arrogance and cowardice
            must be very tiring…you poor poor sap

          • Fundisi

            It is not disconcerting at all and I am honest, always. You are not holding me accountable for anything, go get your raging ego in check.

            There are times and you are a perfect example, when the Lord tells us we are not to cast pearls of Diving Wisdom before swine, nor to feed spiritual food to the dogs nor engage in vain disputations with fools that are not open to the Truth. In every case, He was speaking of engaging folk like yourself.

          • M Diaz

            “It is not disconcerting at all and I am honest, always.”

            yes indeed your actions of cowardice are indeed honest…i have given you many opportunities to demonstrate your claims for which you said you had no time to explain, yet here you are demeaning my skepticism, hmmm.

            “You are not holding me accountable for anything”

            of course i am, i have read the bible and i have read the sermon on the mount…and i can judge you by that, and you failed miserably if you call yourself a follower of christ as you display arrogance and cowardice…tsk tsk tsk
            if you want we can start all over, all you need to do is demonstrate HOW you came to the conclusion the word of god is relevant to me and we can go from there, but if you wish to continue demeaning my questions, i have no other choice but to consider you a clown. it’s up to you.

          • Fundisi

            The same passage that says Christians are to judge all things, also says we are judged of no man. So, I have no respect for you and no desire to waste my time. By the way, your father, the Devil, has read the Bible too and what good does it do him or you?

          • M Diaz

            “So, I have no respect for you and no desire to waste my time.”

            i can see that…in fact i know why you would. it is your plight to assert that ppl that don’t believe like you do are wicked evil and of the dark by default, this is basic christianity 101

            it’s basically sanctioning hate of those that don’t belong in the same tribe you belong to, it’s like racism without the race…what you fail so miserably in seeing and demonstrate so well is that this method is in fact sociopathic…now sociopathy is an anti-social personality disorder which is described as having “a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others” according to the
            Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders

            but you don’t get off that easy, you are a willful sociopath which is worse

            “By the way, your father, the Devil, has read the Bible too and what good does it do him or you?”

            whatever makes you feel better about being a willful sociopath i suppose

          • Douglas

            I believe you are making a bad comparison. Why would Muslims want the Koran in hotels? I’m not well educated in matters of Islam but I have never seen a Muslim share the Koran with anyone. Does the Koran tell them to share it as the Bible tells us to share the Gospel?

          • Spoob

            It doesn’t matter what holy book you want to name, why put it in there unless it’s requested?

          • Douglas

            I would suggest that it is because we are commanded to share the Gospel and that is one way to share it.

          • Liz Litts

            Have you been listening to the Muslims lately ? Listen to them ! Do they want a democracy????

          • Spoob

            The point is, you want all the trappings of a Christian theocracy. But you wouldn’t be so happy if the theocracy you’re wishing for was Muslim. That’s why the ideal is for separation of church and state.

          • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

            Your hearts wicked.

          • The Last Trump

            Ahhh yes, the “Christian” right on cue. Here to attack “his” Bible some more. No words of encouragement for M Diaz in his search for God? Not even a simple nod for the Bible?
            Keep up the good work “Christian”.
            Still not fooling anybody.

          • Spoob

            Oh, hello, bozo. Still pretending to be a Christian? How’s that working out for you? Not going to use your wry sarcastic wit to whip the crowd into a Nuremburg style frenzy of hate?

            It is you that fools nobody, charlatan.

      • Gary

        Are there any? And if there are, what about them?

        • Spoob

          There are MANY people who do not drink or use drugs or “fornicate”, as you put it, and all of them have the right to choose their own religion, or none at all.

          • Liz Litts

            Bottom line is darkness hates the LIGHT.

          • The Last Trump

            And honey, DARKNESS thy name is Spoob! 😉

          • Spoob

            Lobotomization, thy name is Trumpy. LOL

          • Gary

            Who is stopping them? Having a Bible in a drawer does not mean anyone is required to read it.

    • M Diaz

      does the Quran make you uncomfortable?

      • Gary

        I don’t believe it or agree with it, but no, it does not make me uncomfortable.

        • M Diaz

          so if the Quran were in every room of the dorm you were living in, you would be fine with it being there, yes?

  • Fundisi

    One cannot feel comfortable with Christ when they are living in rebellion to what the Bible teaches,because it speaks against sin. We can see here at this site, even among many claiming to be Christian, that any opposition to the things God calls sin makes people uncomfortable and even angry. It has become a universal mantra that anyone calling sexual immorality to be sin are judgmental and are objects of hate and the world is rejecting the message of sin, they are rejecting in the strongest terms any Christian that dares speak against sin. To this wicked world there is no such thing as sin, they believe in live and let live and so they must reject God and His Word. They demand that Christians stop condemning sin, they even demand that Christians accept and tolerate every sin that God condemns as being normal and not sin. To them God will not reject anyone as not as being His that approve of sin, but He will reject those Christians that like Him oppose sin.

    I recall Jesus commending two Churches in Revelations for sharing His hatred of sin, especially sexual immorality and rejection of those that teach such tolerance. So Jesus shares the hatred of these two churches of sin, but even among most Christians today, that message of Jesus, allegedly their Lord, is rejected and any Christian like those in these two churches that share His hatred of sin are now bad Christians and are also rejected, Isn’t is odd that those Christians God commends for their rejection of sin are the very ones that even most of the Church today actually condemn.

    • Greg

      “Sexual immorality”

      Hahahaha. Please, give me an example of sexual immorality AND explain why it is immoral.

      • Fundisi

        Any sexual conduct outside the marriage bed, as God defines marriage, is sexual immorality. He hates adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism God ordained and any sexual activity that is not confined with marriage. All such conduct, as Jesus tells us, pollutes, corrupts the person inwardly.

        • Greg

          How does it pollute them? What about them becomes corrupt?

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    If it is a private university, they should be able to put whatever religious materials they care to in the dorm rooms.

  • Gary

    People don’t like the Bible because they don’t like the God of the Bible.

    • M Diaz

      indeed, who wants to willingly have a relationship with an abusive being

      • Fundisi

        That abusive charge is all made up in your mind, but it does give you a wonderful excuse for rejecting God and indulging in your every lust guilt free.

        • M Diaz

          cute…what do you think this is sparky:

          matthew 10:37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

          “but it does give you a wonderful excuse for rejecting God and indulging in your every lust guilt free.”

          do you usually judge ppl you don’t know in order to make yourself feel better?

          • Fundisi

            So, what about that quote in Matthew, why does it bother you?

            God tells us that Christians are to judge all things, but are not themselves subject to judgment. We are to make right judgments between good an devil, based on His Word. You have a problem with that?

          • M Diaz

            co dependency is a bad thing…

            a relationship based on conditions “i’ll do this for you if you do that for me” is not a good healthy relationship, don’t you know?

            “God tells us that Christians are to judge all things,”

            Jesus also said don’t judge or you will be judged matthew 7:1

            “We are to make right judgments between good an devil, based on His Word.”

            ok then demonstrate how you establish his word is relevant to me…

            “You have a problem with that?”

            indeed i do…you see, because of this “word” many innocent children die at the hands of their parents in the name of faith healing. do you have a problem with that?

          • Bill

            because of this “word” many innocent children die at the hands of their parents in the name of faith healing.
            Where is this happening?

          • M Diaz
          • Fundisi

            What about all this children your fellow travelers murder by the tens of millions, blaming God for that too?

          • M Diaz

            i understand that the cowardly don’t really address what is at hand and rely on straw men to avoid focusing on something that makes them uncomfortable, which is that the method of faith i.e wishful thinking is a fallible method which has murdered innocent children and if all that happens goes according to gods plan then these murders were in fact planned by god…nice sociopathic monster of a god you worship there chief
            and by the way, i think abortion is wrong for me to even consider so i think you are just full of cow poo poo

          • Guest

            Thou shall not kill, says the 5th commandment. The Bible repeatedly states that murderers do not inherit the kingdom of heaven. (Galatians 5:21)

          • Denise Matzavinos

            Thou shall not kill, states the 5th of the Ten Commandments. The Bible repeatedly states that murders will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. (Galatians5:21) Jesus even predicted that people would murder in His name, But remember this He said, these people do not know Me or my Father in heaven .(John 16:1-4)

          • M Diaz

            ahem, if you think you need to be told that murder is wrong, then i think you should turn yourself into the authorities

          • Denise Matzavinos

            This does not happen very often. There have been a few isolated cases where someone has done this. It’s murder. Denying a child medical care is the same as denying them food and water. Satan tempted Jesus by telling him, jump off this cliff, and if the Word is true, your feet will not even touch the rocks. Christ said, “You shall not test the Lord your God. (Luke 4) The few people who did this violated that teaching.

          • Denise Matzavinos

            There have been a few isolated cases where this has happened. I am a Christian parent and there is no way I would be this, most people would not either. Satan tempted Jesus in Luke, chapter 4, telling Him to jump off a cliff. If the Word was true, your feet will not even touch the ground. Christ said, “You will not test the Lord your God”. The very few people who did this violated this teaching. Denying a kid medical care is the same as denying them food and water. It’s murder.

          • M Diaz

            “Denying a kid medical care is the same as denying them food and water.”
            yet the only thing that pleases god is faith (Hebrews), and in the bible we have passages that your all knowing god would know would be misinterpreted and therefore knew innocent children would die a painful needless death…nice god you believe in…

          • Denise Matzavinos

            So, your parents, spouse, kids, friends can be first among mortals and second only to the Creator and Savior. That does not sound bad to me. Mathew 10:39 basically says we cannot deny Him, even if it means our own death. (This is happening right now to Christians all over ISIS territory and communist county’s.) People would give their lives for other things, like their country, if they had to; is that necessarily wrong? If it is any comfort to you, He gave His life for us on the cross and still forgave.

      • Gary

        God only abuses those who hate him.

        • M Diaz

          so i suppose the baby who died a painful death 2 hours after she was born hates him, got it

          • Fundisi

            A. God abuses no one, he only and always acts in love towards those that earnestly seek Him.
            B. Because of free will and man rejecting God, virtually everything bad that happens in this world is a direct result of our rebellion against Him, because of our abuse of free will. God is not to blame, He allowed us to choose and when the mass of humanity chooses against Him, how dare you blame Him for the horrible results of your sinful actions?

          • M Diaz

            “A. God abuses no one, he only and always acts in love towards those that earnestly seek Him.”

            tell that to the baby who died a painful death hours she was born…you can’t have it both ways.

            “Because of free will and man rejecting God, virtually everything bad that happens in this world is a direct result of our rebellion against Him”

            nope…tsunamis have nothing to do with god, neither does earthquakes, or volcanic eruptions…want to try that again?

            “He allowed us to choose and when the mass of humanity chooses against Him, how dare you blame Him for the horrible results of your sinful actions?”

            what is sin and how do you connect sin with tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, or volcanic eruptions chump

          • Fundisi

            I do not wish to be rude, but I also don’t want to waste my time with you. I know what you are up to, even if you deny it, you want desperately to find reasons to reject and hate God and hope by your ignorance of God to lead others away from Him by your many false questions.

            I assume you find liberty and freedom to be precious to you, yet, when God gives you and every human being that very liberty and freedom to either choose or reject Him, you want to make Him responsible for your poor use of your free will. When you and all humanity reject Him, when you use your liberty to walk contrary to His Will, you must accept the consequences of your actions.

            God set the laws of nature in place and while He may for His own reasons on rare occasions interrupt those laws, for the most part all the natural weather and natural catastrophes are a result of His rain falling on the just and unjust alike. Whether Christian or not, we are all subject to the forces of nature and we must prepare our hearts, whether such events bring death or leave us alive, to obey His Will that He will work everything together for our good and His glory.

            You have liberty by God’s Will and you and others for good or ill, must take responsibility for your choices. God will not force you, but for the Christian, no matter what happens, we know He is there beside us to see us safely home and for the lost, they will bear the responsibility for their choices.

          • M Diaz

            “you want desperately to find reasons to reject and hate God”
            not necessarily an accurate judgement of my position.
            true i reject any and all claims about god because there isn’t a standard that can establish who and what god is, much less the bible is the word of god…i reject god claims because i apply the same rationality to every claim presented to me.
            for instance, if someone said to me:
            hey i have a brand new Mercedes that i am selling for $5,000
            all you need to do is give me the $5,000 first and then i’ll tell you the location of the mercedes with pink slip and keys waiting inside it…
            for obvious reasons i will reject that claim as it requires me to believe that claim based on face value and i am the one who is at risk …i’m sure you would decline the very same claim, but the difference between you and i is that i am consistent with my method, you are not

          • Cedric Taylor

            thats a horrible analogy with God. God doesn’t trick you. He says this:

            1. You are guilty of sin. My whole and perfect rules say, “For the penalty of sin is eternal hellfire”.

            2. I will allow you a pardon. You must accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior to receive this pardon.

            3. Failure to deviate from the rules in this pardon will result in you spending an eternal life in hellfire.

            End of story. God is pretty straightfoward with his rules.

          • M Diaz

            well it’s not horrible because that is how i see it, what is horrible is that you cannot demonstrate that my analogy is horrible as you baselessly claim it is horrible…
            psst just because you think it’s horrible doesn’t demean it is by any means…you need to demonstrate how it is…for example:

            “1. You are guilty of sin”

            ok what is sin? and can you demonstrate HOW you came to the conclusion that your claim is based on fact

            “2. I will allow you a pardon”

            a pardon for what?

            “3. Failure to deviate from the rules in this pardon will result in you spending an eternal life in hellfire.”

            as i already said in an earlier post co dependency is not healthy nor is it a sign of love, but of controlling others by means of fear and the use of ultimatums

            “End of story. God is pretty straightfoward with his rules.”

            not really…being that there are 2 covenants that would make your statement false

          • Cedric Taylor

            1. ok what is sin? and can you demonstrate HOW you came to the conclusion that your claim is based on fact

            Sin is an offense against God. Many of the sins against God as based on what you already know is right and wrong, the issue is you don’t recognize as THAT objective moral authority. Things such as, don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t lie, etc.

            2. a pardon for what?

            a pardon for committing any sin. For the bible says that if one breaks one of these Laws, he has broken them all.

            3. as i already said in an earlier post co dependency is not healthy nor is it a sign of love, but of controlling others by means of fear and the use of ultimatums

            Not codependency, its more straightforward than that. God is basically saying: you have committed acts that is bad enough to land you in hell. Being loving and graceful, there is a way out. Only on my terms. If not my terms, then so be it.

            4. not really…being that there are 2 covenants that would make your statement false

            Only if you don’t understand what you read. Clearly the OT covenant was for the JEWS ONLY. The NT Convenant is for EVERYONE

          • M Diaz

            “Sin is an offense against God.”

            i understand that much but you are still going to demonstrate that statement is a statement of fact…

            therefore, in order to demonstrate sin exists, you are also going to have to demonstrate that god is concerned about sin exists…so HOW did you come to that conclusion?

            “a pardon for committing any sin.”

            once you answered the first question then you would have answered this one…so again .. HOW did you come to that conclusion

            “Not codependency, ”
            the passage i quoted in Matthew 10 is about co dependency though…Jesus explicitly expressing conditions, right?
            Conditions that would grant those who meet the conditions a favorable outcome…
            an abusive person would do the same thing…
            if you do X for me, i will not harm you…

            “The NT Convenant is for EVERYONE”

            ok then explain this for me

            Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

            Matthew 15:24 “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

          • Cedric Taylor

            The bible is God’s word. It was authored by God using specific righteous individuals as penmen. These people walked and talked with God. In many ways, offended and was punished by God. If we can’t believe eye witness accounts, who can we trust on anything we didn’t witness? Thus if its in the bible then it is so. If you wish to know, “What makes any of it true”? Don’t get caught in Pascal’s Wager, I would talk to God and pray to Him and ask Him about His word, His rules, and His punishment. If you don’t wish to do that, then your complaints are pointless. Making anything you’ve said within these comments pointless. In fact, much of what you learn in shcools are passed down by people who weren’t there. Yet, you take much of that as fact. If you put that under the same criteria as the Scriptures, you might as well chalk your life up as pointless and your entire existence as worthless.

            You are getting it wrong. We don’t do anything for God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit. Everything we do, good or bad is allowed by God being graceful enough to let you make a choice. You can’t even type this message on your own power, even though what you are typing is in direct rebellion against a God who is more than capable enough to wipe you from this very existence. Yet in His grace and mercy, He allows you time to make mistakes and hopefully get in right before your death. Not just YOU in particular, I’m talking about us all my friend.

            There is no codependcy, we are 100% dependent on God for even our very next breath.

          • M Diaz

            “The bible is God’s word”
            ok can you demonstrate that as a fact or is that just a claim?

            ” It was authored by God using specific righteous individuals as penmen.”
            ok can you demonstrate that as a fact or is that just a claim?

            “These people walked and talked with God.”
            ok can you demonstrate that as a fact or is that just a claim?

            “If we can’t believe eye witness accounts, who can we trust on anything we didn’t witness?”

            eye witnesses to what exactly? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, that isn’t too much to be asking the creator of the universe is it?

            “If you don’t wish to do that, then your complaints are pointless”

            they’re not pointless to me and remember it is me who you are trying to convince…so my complaints are warranted.

            “There is no codependcy, we are 100% dependent on God for even our very next breath.”
            ok can you demonstrate that as a fact or is that just a claim?

          • Cedric Taylor

            The answer to many of your question is:

            Put much of what you believe as fact under the same rigorous impossibilities of “proof” you want me to present to you, then by that standard, you don’t know much of anything. If you believe what you know as fact and you have absolutely no “proof” that its true because you have absolutely no “proof” that the people who taught you or told you much of anything without “hardcore” proof are bold face liars. If you ever told anyone else anything based on these circumstances, you, by that standard is also a bold face liar. Thus making our lives, worthless, all morality itself worthless. Deeming everything that is wrong or right, all lies. Because much of what we know is through passed down information. Its impossible to find out the source due to how old the information we see as fact is. Whether you choose to believe it or not, this impossibility, if given to even the smallest of things we see as fact, would make even the smartest people in the world idiots because they are using information that is not credible.

            eye witnesses to what exactly? extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, that isn’t too much to be asking the creator of the universe is it?

            You asked me, not the Creator of the Universe. I guarantee if you humble yourself and ask Him, He will reveal it to you.

          • M Diaz

            “If you believe what you know as fact and you have absolutely no “proof” that its true because you have absolutely no “proof” that the people who taught you or told you much of anything without “hardcore” proof are bold face liars. ”

            not at all.

            liars are people who knowing are telling untruths

            if they were teaching truths that are capable of being observed in an empirical and objective manner, those are truths..if they are teaching me truths that are NOT observable empirically and objectively they they are only regurgitating something they themselves have not thought to question..

            “If you ever told anyone else anything based on these circumstances, you, by that standard is also a bold face liar.”

            nope, not if what i am claiming is supposed to be understood objectively…

            “Thus making our lives worthless, all morality itself worthless”
            that is quite a leap you took with that….
            well, of course if anyone can say anything they want to say without backing up their claims YES life is meaningless…but that isn’t the way we are living now is it..
            the analogy i presented, would you take that person up on their offer? yes or no and why?

          • Greg

            Sounds like

            1. I’ve made up some rules, and if you break them, you will spend eternity in hellfire

            2. If you break my rules, that’s fine, I’ll forgive you, if you’re sincerely sorry

            3. If you don’t agree with my rules, then I won’t even let you die – I will make you burn in fire forevermore.

          • Cedric Taylor

            The fact is our souls are eternal. You either live in eternity in heaven or eternity in hell. Its truly a personal choice. Other than that tidbit, you are correct.

          • Greg

            Why can’t God make a middle ground? Seems a bit much, you either accept everything God wants of you and live exactly as he wishes you to live, or you burn forever and ever in fire.

          • Fundisi

            1. (a) God made the rules. Guess why? No, you are wrong. He makes the rules BECAUSE He is God and He does not need your advice. (b) You don’t have to spend eternity in hell, you can repent and turn to God and He waiting to save you FROM your sins and give you eternal life.

            2. Would an earthly father forgive you for disobeying him, if he knew you were not sincere in saying you are sorry? Of course, not! For your good, he makes certain rules, if you break them you must pay the penalty or he is creating a self destructive anarchist.

            3. You have a choice, not to stop breaking the rules, but: (a) Admit He is right in making these rules. if you do not think the rules are fair, in your case you don’t think homosexuality is a sin, then ask Him to show you the truth about the matter, with a sincere desire when He shows you the Truth, to seek Him for help to accept that it is a sin. (b) Sincerely come to Him for His forgiveness and He will rush towards you in forgiveness. (c) He will then give you His power to stop sinning. (d) He will give you a new nature that has no desire to sin. You will simply stop having any desire for homosexual relations and if the desire is gone, it won’t be any real effort to stop, because the desire will be gone.

            The question is, are you truly, sincerely willing to have Him, not me or anyone else, but Him to show you that homosexuality is a sin? If you are – He will! But, you cannot play games and kind of want to know the Truth, you have got to love Truth more than your homosexual desires. Then, leave it in His hands, let Him do the work.

          • Greg

            Well actually I’m not homosexual myself, it’s just something Christians get hung up on but also clearly hurts absolutely nobody at all.

            God is not saving me from my sins if he is the one that decided what is a sin. If I hold a gun to your head and say that if you follow my rules I am saving you from me shooting you in the head, then I am being misleading. This is what God is doing. He has brought us into this world, we have no choice about that. And then, if we do not play by his rules, we spend the rest of eternity in hellfire. That is not fair, there is no option to simply not consent and to not live. He brings us into existence and then tells us it’s either agree to His rules or spend ETERNITY in FIRE.

            Also, if he will give me a new nature that does not desire to sin, why doesn’t he give everyone that nature to start with? Then there would be no sin. You can’t argue that it would be against free will, because you JUST said that he can give people new natures, and also that it is possible for people to be of a nature that does not desire to sin.

          • Fundisi

            God will not force anyone to obey Him or Love Him, He allows us the free will to choose; but, if we choose life with Him, we are born again and that new Spirit Nature is the blessing of that free will choice. That you reject it and will not have that new Spirit Nature, is your choice.

          • Greg

            He doesn’t force us to obey Him or love Him, just sends us to burn in fire for eternity if we don’t. Gotcha. Sounds loving.

          • Fundisi

            It is all your choice! He offers love and eternal life, you choose to reject that offer and the consequences are your responsibility.

          • Greg

            But he created hell, right? The consequence of me going to hell is because he made it and decided that if you don’t play by his rules, you go to hell. I’m not even allowed to disagree with God and then just end it all when I die; if I disagree, I burn in hell forever. I either agree with God and He rewards me infinitely, or I disagree and He punishes me eternally, not even letting me just die.

          • M Diaz

            “God gives…”

            “God set the laws of nature”

            “You have liberty by God’s Will”

            “God will not force you”

            ok, demonstrate how these claims are true

          • Fundisi

            Sorry I am not your puppet. Plus, I have neither the time, energy or desire to school you in God’s Word.

          • M Diaz

            i see, so you cant demonstrate anything you claim about god…just as i figured.

          • Fundisi

            That is the argument of a child! Which is why you want to play games.

          • M Diaz

            you are demonstrating your cowardice…
            not surprised, in fact i expect it…since you and i both know you cannot demonstrate wishful thinking is real

          • Adam Daniel

            Actually I would argue that you and I are both atheists, I simply believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you reject all other gods other than yours then you will understand why I reject all gods.

          • Bill

            Well said!

          • Richard French

            What about all the unborn babies that die painful deaths being ripped apart in the womb? And there are no promises to man that we will not see adversity, in fact we are promised if we follow him we will see “much tribulation”. For instance all the atheist trolls on Christian web sites.

          • M Diaz

            “What about all the unborn babies that die painful deaths being ripped apart in the womb?”
            i know it’s terrible…so stop with the empty straw men, what of those children who die a needless painful death in the name of faith healing as your all knowing god knew his words would be misinterpreted and be used to do such a thing? focus…

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            You know that many Calvinists would disagree with your portrayal of the situation and concept of “free will.”

          • David silverman

            What about Job?

          • Fundisi

            If you don’t have one – get one!

          • M Diaz

            typical cowardly pathetic response form a typical cowardly pathetic self serving self entitled christian
            it’s embarrassing that i am related to you on a genetic level…
            it’s ppl like you who make me ashamed of being human
            you disgusting toad

          • Fundisi

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha – you are funny!

            Just pull the strings, watch the monkey dance!

          • M Diaz

            blessed are the meek…
            apparently you are not so blessed

          • Fundisi

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha – you are funny!

          • M Diaz

            every response reveals another level of your weak faith and arrogance…

          • David silverman

            I just schooled you in “God’s word” and you didn’t even notice. I’ll just leave you in ignorance… You seem to enjoy being ignorant and I’m feeling compassionate.

          • Fundisi

            No you didn’t! You didn’t ask a coherent question about Job, you did not make a point, your question was not clear.

          • Gary

            You would have to prove that God was obligated to prevent the death. Can you ?

          • M Diaz

            that depends on who and what god is…being that everything happens according to gods plan, then god planned for that child to die a painful death..but that is only true if one can demonstrate that everything happens according to gods plan

          • Gary

            Some things are a mystery.

          • M Diaz

            no, this is easily explainable…there is no standard available to qualify who and what god is.

          • Gary

            God is what he is. And he only reveals part of what he is to people.

          • M Diaz

            HOW did you come to that conclusion…what is the standard you used to determine that?
            for me your answer isn’t good enough to convince me of anything you claim about god, i need for you to demonstrate your method, so what is it?

          • Gary

            I came to that conclusion by reading the Bible. But I am not trying to convince you of anything. It makes no difference to me what you believe.

          • Guest

            i understand pedophiles like you usually like to play games

          • The Last Trump

            If you really want to know the truth about the matter try coming at it from the other angle. Go ahead and try to prove God DOESN’T exist and that the Bible is FALSE.
            Good luck! I think you might be very surprised at what you’ll find.

          • M Diaz

            “Go ahead and try to prove God DOESN’T exist”
            i suppose that would require the same method you’d use to prove you are not a pedophile, so do that and then we can talk…don’t you see, ppl can’t just go claiming things left and right without any evidence to support their assertions…proving a negative is not how real life works

          • The Last Trump

            Just as I thought. And expected. Not interested eh?
            Shocker.

          • M Diaz

            no it is you who isn’t interested in proving YOUR assertions
            and only charlatans avoid proving assertions

          • The Last Trump

            Nice to have made your acquaintance. Charlatan.
            Go do your homework. Come back when you know something about anything. And then prove your assertions.
            Thanks.

          • M Diaz

            you got that all wrong mr. pedophile…i am the skeptic, you are the charlatan.

          • Spoob

            Diaz is making an utter fool of you, Trumpy. You are embarrassing yourself.

          • Spoob

            Look up “burden of proof” Trumpy, before you end up looking even more foolish.

          • Spoob

            I was just wondering Trumpy, have you ever NOT talked down to someone?

        • Denise Matzavinos

          God does not abuse anyone! Satan is the one abusing us and is reponsible for all our trouble!!!!

      • The Last Trump

        Don’t be so hard on yourself. Just tell her you’re sorry.
        Your girlfriend may just forgive you yet my friend! After all, it’s Valentines Day! 😉

        • M Diaz

          whatever makes you feel better about having a co dependent relationship with an abusive phantom i suppose

      • Denise Matzavinos

        I think you must be talking about Satan, not Jesus. Satan is responsible for all our problems and we keep listenig to him. Try reading what Jesus actually says. There is nothing abusive about it. He is teaching people to love one another, forgive their enemies, turn the other cheek etc. Read one of the Gospels yourself, Mathew, Mark, Luke, or John.

        • M Diaz

          “I think you must be talking about Satan, not Jesus.”

          hmm, wasn’t it jesus who said one must hate their own life in order to be favored by him?

          “Satan is responsible for all our problems and we keep listenig to him.”

          ok, can you please demonstrate HOW you came to that conclusion..seems to me if you are capable of deciding to believe, it is you who saves yourself, cause for the life of me i can’t seem to see the difference between wishful thinking and religious faith…

          ” Try reading what Jesus actually says.”

          I have which is why i said what i said, can you please explain how a loving god would lovingly condemn ppl for not believing in it? it just doesn’t seem to be making sense to me…

          “He is teaching people to love one another, forgive their enemies, turn the other cheek”

          you must be speaking of another Jesus, the Jesus in Luke mentioned of a parable called the 10 minas, where the king (which would be Jesus) wanted all those who didn’t want to be ruled by the king to be slain…how exactly is that being loving, seems like that is using fear to manipulate ppl

    • The Last Trump

      Yes, people don’t seem to enjoy being reminded of their sin while they are openly engaged IN sinning. Funny how THIS generation just can’t seem to ban Bibles fast enough or tear down enough crosses and Christian memorials that have stood for generations. Uncomfortable indeed. And for good reason.

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        Indeed. It becomes even more frustrating when you have radical Protestant iconoclasts also calling for crosses and other Christian symbols to be torn down.

        • Spoob

          Fortunately that tends to happen only in the Bible Belt type areas with all the fundies.

  • TheBottomline4This

    Those silly kids.

  • Jewll

    Is there such a lack of bibles in the UK that people who want one can’t find their own? Besides, why should the Christian holy book be the only one supplied? Christianity isn’t the only religion in the world.

    • Douglas

      It may be the only one that commands us to share the Gospel though. Don’t be offended by seeing the Bibles, consider them our expression of caring and love.

      • Greg

        Don’t be offended by homosexuality, consider it our expression of caring and love.

        Don’t be offended by accusations that everything you believe is false and threats that you will spend eternity in hell, consider them our expression of caring and love.

        • Fundisi

          Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with love, it is all deviant about sexual lusts and if unrepented it leads souls into hell, where is the love in that?

          They are an expression of Love and compassion, love for every human being, seeking through exposing sin they might repent, find healing, salvation and eternal life. That is the ultimate expression of God’s Love. He sent His Son to call us to Repentance and save us from our sins, That is unconditional, self sacrificing love.

          • Greg

            “if unrepented it leads souls into hell, where is the love in that?”

            Tell me, who decides who goes to hell or heaven? Is it God? Is it God sending homosexuals to hell? Where is the love in that?

          • Fundisi

            You choose your eternal destiny, God sent His Son to pay for the sins of the whole world, He offers everyone a free pardon for all their sins and welcomes them to eternal life in Christ. But, a pardon is not a pardon if it is rejected and if by your free will you choice you reject His Pardon, you have chosen hell. Anyone may sincerely confess their sins, repent, turn to Christ and be saved, but is is your choice. God being the Divine Gentleman He is, steps back and places the responsibility on you.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Fundisi: “God being the Divine Gentleman He is, steps back and places the responsibility on you.”

            Where do you get this stuff? It sounds straight out of the fundamentalist’s door-to-door witnessing book of rhetorical phrases.

          • Fundisi

            As you are an enemy of God and are possessed by spirits of hate, division, strife and a raging ego, I continue to refuse to debate you.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Do you have that pompous rhetorical rejoinder on auto-fill now? Speaking of ego…

          • The Last Trump

            Jump in any time and defend your faith. Does every post have to be an attack on another Christian who is standing up for the Bible?!
            What’s the deal here?!

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I have already done that for you. Also, please do not conflate the medium through which the Bible is defended and the Bible itself. What I commented on was the medium, which I thought sounded rather generic and ineffective.

          • The Last Trump

            Where have you done that?

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            The better question is why do I have to defend my faith to you?

          • The Last Trump

            Ahh. So you didn’t then. Got it.
            And it wasn’t to me. It was to the folks who were questioning Fundisi about the existence of God. Who you then joined in to attack!?
            Sure looked like an incredible opportunity to share your faith and help a fellow Christian defend the Bible. But you passed up that opportunity to join with the godless in attacking that Christian. Interesting.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No, when you tried to pair me with pax2u as one and the same, you challenged my faith. So I defended it to you then.

            Also, I did not “join with the godless,” but simply expressed my disagreement with the manner in which Neiman formulated something. Are you white-knighting Neiman now and acting as his rhetorical foil?

            Even if I had “joined in” with Neiman, he would have repudiated it and called it bad simply because he associates me with Catholicism and is ticked off because I question his assumptions.

            Where was your white-knighting when Neiman denigrated my intelligence, called me faithless, associated me with Satan and evil, and all of his other rhetorical smearings? Yes, that is rather interesting. It sounds like the “the enemy of my enemies is my friend” game.

          • The Last Trump

            When I see “Christians” sitting idly by while “their” faith is under attack, except when chiming in to attack “fellow” Christians, it makes one wonder. Perhaps Neiman is on to something…Cause something here is amiss!

            “Fundisi: “God being the Divine Gentleman He is, steps back and places the responsibility on you.”

            Where do you get this stuff? It sounds straight out of the fundamentalist’s door-to-door witnessing book of rhetorical phrases”

            I wonder if God would consider your comment helpful to the discussion Neiman was having with an unbeliever who was asking for insight.

            No need to respond. Just think about it.

            But hey, perhaps I’m wrong. I look forward to your many posts defending the gospel of Jesus Christ and taking advantage of every opportunity to share your faith with those individuals here actually seeking evidence of God. Instead of just regular attacks on other Christians and nothing else.

            You know, as Neiman, myself, and others here have. So feel free to jump in any time and help a brother out. I’m sure there will be plenty of time to argue about Catholicism later.

            And lets be honest, it doesn’t take a genius to realize that you really shouldn’t be in the same company of the likes of Pax2u, now should you? Jack Schick comic books and “it is best that you are alone…yes, it is best”. Come on!
            I think you have more to offer here than that.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Well, the bottom line here is that I think portraying God Almighty as “the Divine Gentleman” is rather tacky and embarrassing.

            I don’t think I have any ground to gain with Neiman since he has already written me off as a evil, godless, spawn of Satan. Quite literally. That is not exaggeration.

          • Spoob

            Oh, it’s rich watching you whine to others about how hard done by you are, Trumpy. This is 100% pure entertainment.

          • Greg

            But you still haven’t explained WHY homosexuality is sinful. WHY does God hate it? WHY is it a sin?

          • Greg

            Also, “that is unconditional, self sacrificing love.” But it isn’t unconditional is it? There are conditions, like not being homosexual, not hating God etc.

          • Fundisi

            The condition is either accept or reject His pardon in Christ. He paid for it at a terrible cost to Him, because of His selfless love for every human being. Yet, we will neither think we need or seek a Savior, if we do not agree with God that we are sinners or if we hate Him and absent such salvation, will die in our sins by our free will choice in rejecting His free gift. This leads us to repentance and the Cross and eternal life, a free gift, but if you feel you are not a sinner, you will feel no need for Him nor seek Him. Christians in opposing those sins publicly and pointing everyone to Christ, are making sure everyone knows their need for a Savior, that some might seek Him.

          • Greg

            But the conditions of accepting His pardon consist of things like not being homosexual, don’t they? Can I accept His pardon and continue to have homosexual relationships? If not, then that is a condition, and His love is not unconditional. You lied.

          • Fundisi

            First, there is no such thing as a homosexual, they are heterosexuals that have given in to their deviant sexual lusts. But, God does not require us to stop being heterosexuals to gain heaven.

            If you do not believe your homosexuality is a sin, why would you feel a need for a Savior or seek Him to save you? Forgive you for what? Save you from what? The whole matter begins and ends there, if you have come to understand that your sexual conduct is a sin and thus agree with God – which is repentance, His free gift is available to you. But, God will not be mocked, He knows your heart, He knows if you are sincere or not. If you do not think your sexually immoral lifestyle is a sin, why worry about it, you should not have any desire to be saved from your sins. If you do agree that it is sin, He is waiting with His Salvation in hand, ready to save and heal you – delivering you from all your sins, including homosexual conduct. It is your free will choice!

          • Greg

            Heterosexuals that have given in? Are you saying that you have homosexual lusts, you just don’t give in to them?

            What I REALLY want to understand though is, why is homosexuality a sin? What’s wrong about it, why does God punish it?

          • Gary

            Why does God condemn homosexuality? It does not matter. All that matters is that he does condemn it.

          • Greg

            Of course it matters! Are you not interested at all in why God is the way He is? I’m not even suggesting challenging His judgement, I just want to know why He condemns homosexuality. Or are you actually one of the blind followers? One of those who does not use the mind He has given you, letting His gift of intelligence lie stagnant.

          • Gary

            God designed marriage to be the union of a man and a woman as husband and wife, and He said that s-x is to be limited to that relationship. God is under no obligation to explain everything to his creatures. There are many things God has not explained.

          • Greg

            Seems strange though doesn’t it? It seems neither you nor me are able to come up with a single reason as to why homosexuality is a sin, yet God will apparently send people to hell for it. Seems unfair to homosexuals; perhaps if he told them what was so sinful, maybe they would stop?

          • Gary

            I doubt explaining to them would make them stop. If they won’t repent by being told they will go to Hell, no reason will likely work.

          • Greg

            That doesn’t make sense to me. I would sooner stop something because it’s the wrong thing to do than because I’d be punished. Don’t you refrain from doing bad things because they’re wrong? Or is the only reason you don’t sin because you’re afraid of hell?

          • Gary

            God said homosexuality is the wrong thing to do. Why is that not enough?

          • Greg

            Because it seems to harm absolutely nobody. I find it hard believing that God would condemn it so harshly without any victims. I think Christians like you exaggerate His views on homosexuality, as it is barely mentioned in the Bible whatsoever.

          • Gary

            You have your opinions, and God has his.

          • Greg

            And you have yours. And you have read the Bible with your opinions in mind and interpreted it to match up with those opinions. There is not one line in the Bible that completely condemns all homosexuality.

          • Gary

            That is not true. But you are welcome to prove the Bible has anything good to say about homosexuality if you can. Can you?

            God only allows moral s_x between a husband and his wife. A husband is always a man and a wife is always a woman. Tough to get around that.

          • Gary

            God does not save homosexuals. He offers them no pardon.

          • James Grimes

            He knows that. He doesn’t have anything else to counter with, so he’s throwing up a smokescreen.

      • Jewll

        People would be far more impressed if you showed love in a way that didn’t involve trying to convert someone to your worldview.

  • bowie1

    It has been a custom at weddings to give the newlyweds a bible, but unfortunately some of these are left on a shelf gathering dust. Let’s hope the students that do opt for a Bible will also read it.

  • Tara

    so one can be diverse, just not if it has to do with God? I’m sure there are Christians that go to this school, do the students feel uncomfortable around them? Or just the Bibles?

  • MarkT.

    These poor babies, who are so “uncomfortable” with just a book in their dorm room, that they need the nanny state to be their mother for them. You would think the Book was going to jump out at them and force them to read it. Just.grow.up. If you don’t want a copy in your room, just take it out and place it in the common area or somewhere respectful, if you are so afraid of it. Our course, if it was the Koran, there would be no complaints as the complaining student would be labeled as an Islamophobist. I would label them a Christophobist, a fear of Christianity.

    • Gary

      They object to the demands the God of the Bible makes on them. I wonder if they really think that if the Bible is not in the room the situation changes? Can they be that silly?

  • Owen King

    They find it uncomfortable because of political correctness.

  • ML NJ

    How about instead of removing the Bibles, they also distribute Qurans; and require the students to be familiar with both?

  • nivekyaj

    Offended, another new word to manipulate others, soon God will demonstrate what about the world offends Him

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Immoral West cannot stand Christianity as darkness hates the Light. Poor Christian Westerners of yeaster-years. What was all the hard work for, having this kind of godless drunkard generation as pathetic descendants? The heritage and land will go to the righteous and not to the physical descendants who do not resemble the serious builders.

  • Badkey

    Good for them!

  • Rebecca

    They wouldn’t be complaining if it was 100 quid n a few bottles of alcohol

  • fuzzi

    If it’s just a book, why would someone feel uncomfortable in its presence?

  • Deanne Johnson

    bye bye UK soon to be in America

  • Richard French

    So why do they make a big issue of it, just throw it in the trash, or ignore it.

  • John Mark IB

    well of course it should make them feel uncomfortable they should be squirming ha ha:), 1)It’s GOD’S Word!!and they can’t have it around because they know it’s got power even inside it’s very pages, see the verses below!!

    2) what do you expect anymore from the UK?? so gee it’s UK gone the way of islam oh and yes we live in a world of the so called new tolerance and multiculturalism?? actually it’s al upside down and opposites, evil for good, bitter for sweet, and gee wasn’t it England that GOD chose to spread His Words to the rest of the world after having it spread from Israel via the Mediterranean from the Apostle Paul?? how the once mighty have sadly fallen, and tragically hard, and I agree with the commenter below yes sirree bob, America is next on the mighty have fallen list, and it seems the anti Christ gloating atheists are in abundance in the house today!! let’s give a warm Christian welcome to the atheists anti Christ haters in the house whoop whoop !!! and of course they’re shouting with glee at their enemies book being silenced??? really you think so?? but that’s ok, you see you will reap what you sow, and by thinking you have silenced Christianity, which has allowed the freedom of all religions even your religion of atheism, to our own demise in a way, you will soon be under the repressive regimes of islam, and the real Anti Christ who will make you beg for the good old days when the horrible /Christians ruled the earth!! ha ha welcome to your worst nightmare and then you’ll wish we were still here, here’s the reasons why they can’t have GOD’S Words in the same room in a drawer with them partly is their conscience is still semi intact!!

    you see boys and girls “that book”, and those “horrible Christians”, we just can’t live normal lives in this world while they’re still here, now can we, it just makes us feel so uncomfortable, yeah we just can’t function normally, and like the Gideon Bibles in hotels have saved countless lives, from people contemplating suicide in the past, well that book man!! there’s just something about that book, it’s just plain got some spooky power in it!! ha ha yeah it just give us the creeps man, the chills man,

    we gotta get rid of it!! so our lives will be better and we can live without fear of the book!! ha ha no this is just plain end times getting closer, madness, of a world ripe for the Anti Christ taking, and they’re all too ready for him to give them their false peace!!

    be rid of those horrible Christians!

    but mainly it’s:
    GOD’S Words say this to those who think they can just trample it!!!
    Isaiah 55:11
    So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

    and Jesus get’s to the heart of the matter
    John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    Romans 10:17
    So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    1 Corinthians 1:18
    For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

    here’s hope to the un-hating atheist sincere seeker if you are here …here’s hope for you if you will have it and have a blessed day and night, and week!!

    http://faithsaves.net

    http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36

    http://discoverthebible.org

    http://faithsaves.net/the-book-of-daniel-prophetic-proof-the-bible-is-the-word-of-god/

  • MoltonP

    They
    always fight for something and express their resentment. Actually, when they
    speak about their own religion, they are not so shy and nobody has the right
    for other opinion. So, probably they should just pretend that they don’t see
    the books and focus on their academic results. If you have too much time to
    feel uncomfortable, start writing your dissertation and you will forget about
    everything;) It is just what I felt but later I decided to apply for quality thesis
    writing 24/7
    because I really need time for helping other people. In
    fact, it is another good thing worth doing.