Homosexual Men ‘Divorce’ to Become Threesome, Now Plan to Use Sisters as Surrogates

Nova Scotia-compressedNOVA SCOTIA — Two homosexual men recently “divorced” under Canadian law so that they could include a third man in their relationship, and now plan to have their sisters serve as surrogates to bear their children.

“We just want to say that love is love. It should be multiplied not divided,” Adam Grant told the Daily Mail. “It shouldn’t matter if you’re in a three-way or a four-way relationship.”

Grant and his partner Shayne Curran met Sebastian Tran at a nightclub in 2012, after “tying the knot” the year prior. A year later, they agreed to be open to seeing others.

“Adam and I wanted to have a little more fun so we decided to experiment with multiple partners,” Curran stated. “We never intended it to be anything serious, we certainly never planning on taking on a full-time third partner by any means. It was just bit of sexual experimentation.”

When they met Tran, they both had feelings for him, so in discussing how they could include the man in their relationship, they decided to divorce in order to become a threesome.

While polygamy is not legal in Canada, the men state that they have attorneys that can work up paperwork declaring that the three are bound to each other “in the eyes of the law.”

“If anything, Sebastian only enhanced our relationship,” Curran said.

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Now, in order to have children, the men state that their sisters have agreed to become surrogates. Some have also offered to donate their eggs.

“I have two sisters who have both offered to carry our children for us as surrogates and are willing to donate their eggs as well. My sisters actually argue over which one them will carry our baby first,” Curran stated. “Sebastian’s sister will probably donate her eggs too so we can keep it in the family. We want to mix our genes enough so that our kids are as genetically close to us as possible.”

As previously reported, earlier this year, photos of three Thailand men who symbolically “married” each other went viral, garnering societal support for the concept of same-sex “throuples” worldwide, but also generating remarks from Christians about the confirmation of the slippery slope that has long been predicted.

“Love occurs unconditionally and is not limited to only two people,” one of the men, only identified as Art, wrote on Facebook. “Love brings peace to the world.”

Following the report, Dr. Michael Brown noted that the situation demonstrates how mankind has made up its own rules along the way in an attempt to legitimize and justify what a particular person wants. Since homosexuals have stated that marriage should be defined as the union of two people who have feelings for each other, regardless of gender, where does the rule about two people come from?

“If a gay activist says, ‘But marriage is the loving, long-term commitment of two people,’ the answer is simple: ‘Says who? That’s just your new definition. Where did you get the idea it was two people if not from its historic, natural meaning?’” Brown explained. “And so, if I’m ‘bigoted’ because I don’t recognize same-sex ‘marriage,’ then gay activists (and their allies) are just as ‘bigoted’ if they don’t recognize three men (or women) ‘marrying.’

He stated that these developments are demonstrating the domino effect that results when the world rebels against God and His Master design for mankind.

“Those who have taken down the fence of marriage as God intended it have opened up a Pandora’s Box of possibilities,” Brown said, “none of them good.”


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  • afchief

    It is quite clear we are in the last days before Christ returns. He said it would be just like the days of Lot when He returns to earth.

    WE ARE THERE!!!!

    • Names_Stan

      Appreciating over-reaching and angst-filled generalities as much as the next guy, an anecdotal story about three Canadian dudes is evidence of nothing

      I’m quite sure they’re selfish idiots who dream of a reality show, but they aren’t approaching world-ending quality whatsoever.

      If gratuitous hedonism was the key predictor of the last days, we’ve got quite a ways to go to catch the Romans of the early first millennium. Or the Americans of the 70’s and 80’s, for that matter.

      I also question why the Western Hemisphere’s sex-stuff has become the chief concern of God…if indeed that is a fact. Something no one I’m aware of has evidenced.

      • afchief

        When Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the serpent told them they would become as gods – the conventional thought on this was that they would know the difference between Good and Evil. But that capacity to discern the difference was a natural attribute of all, even the fallen angels. Why they would become as gods was that they would then be able to define good and evil, i.e. to demand to themselves the god-like power to designate what is good, what is evil. In other words, capable of moral authority, creating their own set of moral standards apart from God. God nipped that in the bud by decreeing that they would die a spiritual death whenever they sinned, whenever they would arrogate to themselves the power to define good and evil.

        Now that liberal/Progressives in the past century have seized to themselves the power to define what is Good and what is Evil in their own sight (and have died a spiritual death in the process), they have embarked upon an even more god-like venture – the power to transform the most fundamental human attributes – to change Adam into Eve, and vice versa. “Man and Woman made He them.” But the Progressives cry out – “Woman and Man make We them, for We are as gods!”

        Transforming the most basic nature of humanity, the differences between the sexes is but a step, however. Having achieved that, they can now assert the power to fundamentally transform society (Oh, where have I heard that before?); to take upon themselves the god-like power to change the basic structure of society from its age-old form to one of their own liking – a Garden of Eden here on Earth – fulfilling the desire in “Woodstock” by Joni Mitchell – “..and we got to get ourselves back to the Garden…”

        Yes, we are very close to the return of Christ!!!

        • Names_Stan

          Interesting vilification of the left as the bane of existence, but relative proof of past civilizations is still missing.

          they can now assert the power to fundamentally transform society

          Americans of the 1960’s didn’t do this by making divorce acceptable (and far more widespread than transsexuals)?

          Romans didn’t do this with widespread orgies, open marriages and older heterosexual men “mentoring” young boy?

          Europeans didn’t do this with theology, from the time of the Dutch radicals, onward to this day?

          The Catholic Church didn’t transform society in the 1400’s with their criminal conduct of selling salvation?
          Or with the Inquisition?

          You must prove relativity. The hysteria surrounding this totally disregards that all it’s about is what we call it .

          Not one more person is having sex with another of the same sex than would have been before the SCOTUS decision.

          The only different is some of them have a piece of paper issued by the state…something that was already happening in some states and whole countries, again, before the SCOTUS decision.

          The other things I mentioned were more significant & disruptive to legalistic Christianity than marriage licenses for gay people.

          • afchief

            It is not just the morality of Christianity that agitates leftists, but the fact that it is an individual relationship with God and therefore a rejection of socialist collectivism and acquiescing to the State.

            Islam has certain tenets that are ignored such as repression of women and violence against homosexuals, but they embrace violence against Christians and Jews that the leftist embrace. Moreover, if one follows the totalitarian paradigm of Sharia, they also indirectly embrace the totalitarian paradigm of socialists.

            The Ten Commandments are anathema to leftists since God Commanded man do three things and refrain from seven other that are based on morality. The First Commandment “I am the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods” is the complete rejection of collectivism and statism. Moreover, the lefts redistribution of wealth is theft and this is clearly not acceptable to God. Abortion is murder and forbidden. Forget about sex restrained to marriage between a man and a woman as that would put a damper on “hooking up” and sodomy.

            The left hates Christians since we will not abandon God and embrace Stalin, Mao, Castro, Putin or Obama.

          • Names_Stan

            I’ll kindly assume you forgot the topic…
            Which was your guarantee that it was “quite clear” you know God’s timeline.

            Nothing in your wildly generalized listing of why God is a capitalist Republican, (which I believe to be just as blasphemous as limiting Him to any petty political stance), answers how any of these things are CURRENT.

            Please keep up with your claims. You said it was “clear” that (pick your End Times Movie Choice here) is upon us! Pack your rice and water bottles today!

            Then you list off freakin Stalin, Mao and Roe v Wade from before I was born. And man-sex from before MOSES was born.

            I think I’ve well and truly established yet again that these hysterical End Times™ commercials have been nothing other than pure habit since the 1970’s, and no evidence has surfaced since then that Hal Lindsey, and et al, all the way up they your post, has a clue what they’re talking about.

          • afchief

            Jesus said it would be just like the days of Noah and Lot when He returns. In Noah’s day it was violence and in Lot’s day open homosexuality. Jesus also said persecution will increase. Prophetically, the Bible is clear that persecution is the future for the church in the run up to the end of the age, abroad and at home. As with ever increasing birth pangs the current persecution is the beginning of an ever increasing trend that is going to lead directly to the Tribulation period.

            Those of us who love Jesus will experience persecution because it is the very cross of Jesus that we look toward with such hope for our salvation; that is what separates us so deeply from this world (John 15:18-21).

            “I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world” (John 17:14).

            If you believe in Jesus, you are not of this world and the world will hate you for it.

            True believers will also increasingly experience persecution because mainline churches are currently led by compromising leaders who do not love the truth as they ought (John 12: 42-44). And Jesus also plainly tells us that His true church will experience persecution because as His followers we will share in his suffering and in His promises.

            “But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellence of the power may be of God and not of us. We are hard pressed on every side, yet not crushed; we are perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed—always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body” (2 Corinthians 4:7-9).

            Our immediate prophetic future on this earth is one that does involve suffering.

            “And you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake” (Matthew 10:22).

            “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:10, 12-13).

            It is this very suffering, abhorrent and appalling though it is, that convictsthe world of sin through our witness to Jesus.

            “…they will lay hands on you and persecute you. They will deliver you to synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors, and all on account of my name. This will result in your being witnesses to them” (Luke 21:12-13).

            Ultimately God is in control. In control of all circumstances and all situations and our mission is to stand with Jesus in these last days, even in the midst of the raging storm and to simply be a witness.

            Christian persecution is real and it is burgeoning, but there is hope and that hope is found in Jesus Christ alone.

            “Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you” (1 Peter 4:12-14a).

            “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, and no mind has imagined the things that God has prepared for those who love him” (1 Corinthians 2:9).

            If you do not know Jesus as your Savior, the time is now. Give your life to Him and experience true freedom and true life and true peace. You will not be disappointed!!!

          • Names_Stan

            A) “Christian persecution” and Christian politics aren’t the same thing.

            B) If Christian persecution were real, you would expect at very least, 51% of U.S. elected officials would need to be non-Christians.
            What is that percentage in reality?

            C) In Christian politics, as they go, this is a VERY tame period of history.
            If you need it, I’ll gladly cite as many examples as I did in my earlier posts to prove the point.

            D) The reason this looks so persecutorial to you is because the Religious Right didn’t have organized opposition prior to the Internet.

            So in their 1980’s heyday, their organization topped everything centrists and leftists (and atheists) had. Even though you couldn’t “see” them, those other Christians were always there. And they’re there today, and they have the communication ability of the Internet.

            I imagine in the UK they laugh at us rather harshly for thinking we have religious strife and persecution. Their Catholic-Protestant wars went on for centuries…and they were, well, wars.

            Your only reason to believe this tame little time in American history is some gigantic spiritual upheaval is your lack of historical and cultural perspective.

            The fact is, if fundamentalists hadn’t been accustomed to being a more powerful voting & lobbying bloc 30-40 years ago, they wouldn’t have this persecution complex today.

          • afchief

            2 Peter 3:3-4 “Knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

            There is a day coming and I believe we are quickly approaching it, when God will pour out His holy righteous judgment on a wicked, evil, unrepentant world. Ultimately, everyone who hasn’t come to repentance and made Jesus their Lord will stand before the Great White Judgment Throne of God and face eternal judgment.

            Between then and now, we don’t know how much time will lapse—although we are seeing end- time prophecy increasingly being fulfilled. Russia and its military are forging alliances and conducting movements that place it on a collision course with the God of the universe. Iran has called for the destruction of Israel and the US, and by our actions we are helping the procure the armaments to act on their threats.

            China and North Korea are arming to the teeth and destabilizing the entire Asia-Pacific region. The global economy is increasingly volatile and some are calling for a global currency. The Russians and Chinese are calling for replacement of the dollar as the world’s standard currency.

            We are certainly living in perilous times and we are seeing the birth pains and signs of the times increase in severity and frequency. Many people in the world are going about their daily lives either oblivious to the fact judgment is coming or they just don’t believe it.

          • America the Great

            A great book that puts everything into proper contrast is called “persecution”. You would gain some perspective on the current, vrs. historical and cultural significance if you read the book. Your last sentence is way off base

          • wandakate

            You forgot Hitler…

          • wandakate

            They don’t have a marriage according to GOD. He sanctified one man and one woman in the bonds of holy matrimony and there is none other. Adam and Even started the whole show and in GOD’s holy eyes it has continue until today.
            Scripture tells us that these people as well as ALL sinners will not inherit the Kingdom of GOD. They WILL NOT spend their eternity with JESUS.

        • P.S.S.

          Actually we are not close in our own terminology of close. The church is far from being without spot wrinkle or blemish. The church as a whole from one denomination to another does not even get along. Jesus said they will know you by the love you have for one another. The church does not even realize who they are as Son’s of God. The whole earth groans along with all of creation for us to get who we are…… Religion has kept us from so much truth…but the good news is in the generations to come we will get it and in some it has already started.

          • afchief

            Yes I agree! They we have church set up today is NOT the way Jesus wants His church to be. Jesus never intended for a man to stand in a pulpit and preach to the choir every week. No where is scripture is this stated. Jesus meant for his church to be “relational”. Being the church is everyone sharing and using their gifts (1 Corinth 14:26). Meeting together and being relational. There are very few relationships in churches today. Most relationships in churches are “clicks”. If your not in one of these clicks, you are an outsider.

            If we look at Jesus, he was a Shepherd (pastor/teacher) who had 12 people in His flock. Sure He taught thousands, but He never had a relationship with them, only 12. He ate, slept and traveled with only 12. How can pastors today have personal relationships with hundreds if not thousands of people? They can’t. Usually their relationships are limited to church leadership and the “big givers”.

            Today’s church was set up by Constantine in the 3rd century. For the first 300 years Christians met in their homes, sharing and breaking bread together (Acts 2:42-47). I recommend a book from Frank Viola and George Barna called “Pagan Christianity”. It goes in to detail how our present idea of “church” is actually pagan. Very interesting read.

            Now, some people will say what about submitting and authority and all that other structure. We submit to one another.

          • Names_Stan

            So you’re saying the future best case church is for everyone to do their own thing?

            I’ve seen it work in extremely liberal congregations. But in the average congregation, it inevitably leads to factions and votes and power plays.
            Libertarianism is a very shaky structure in religious terms.

            That’s just in one congregation. How would that work in a worldwide denomination, unless it was both libertarian AND people were free with no backlash?

          • afchief

            Do their own thing? Sometimes you have to stop going to church to be the church. Home Church provides a simple and wonderful alternative to attending traditional church. The churches in the New Testament were home churches. Throughout the centuries, many people have met in homes. There are millions of people having church in homes today, but you rarely hear of them because they are not advertised or high profile. There are many reasons to have church in homes. Here are a few of the primary reasons:

            1. Home church is Biblical.

            2. The essence of Christianity is easily accomplished in simple and uncomplicated settings.

            3. Group participation with all people functioning should be the primary dynamic of any church meeting (1 Cor. Chapter 14), This is the backbone of the home church setting.

            4. Connecting with others and developing meaningful relationships is easily accomplished in a home church atmosphere.

            5. “Being the church” and sharing life together in community with others, instead of just attending a meeting, is the desire and purpose of most people who home church.

            The challenge to people who want to participate in home church is to be able to “undo” what they’ve been taught church is really all about. Prayer, worship, reading scripture, outreach, encouraging one another, and sharing life together in real and meaningful ways are all part of the home church experience.

          • Names_Stan

            Okay thanks, fair enough. I do think it unlikely that, whether in homes or large buildings, human beings will ever all agree on theology.

          • wandakate

            Yes, good ole Constantine. He was a pagan, his picture was on the coins of that day and time. He changed the laws did he not? He came up with Easter and Christmas as well as changed the original Saturday Sabbath to Sunday the 1st day of the new week. Now I see where they want to change our calendars to say that Monday is the 1st day and Sunday is the 7th day…In GOD’s eyes, it was always as it is today. Even in the bible we can read where the women went to the tomb on the 1st day of the week (Sunday) and JESUS was already gone. That’s because He arose 72 hours from when we went into the tomb around 6-7 p.m. Meaning by the time the two women got there He was already gone.
            Reading the life and time of the Emperor Constantine would be good for people that want to know the truth…There is much deceit in the churches and JESUS said there would be.

          • wandakate

            We’re closer than you realize, but it’s not the entire church that is going home to be with the LORD.
            Who’s going? The ones who obeyed Him.
            JESUS said, “Not everyone who says to me LORD, LORD will enter the kingdom of heaven but “only” the ones who did the will of the FATHER”. So, it was those who obeyed the word. The ones that cared about the 10 commandments and didn’t try to pretend they had been abolished. Many say they are obsolete, that they are not relevant for today, not valid. That of course is NOT true, but many believe they can just take them out as they pick and choose. Obey one but not the other. They are ALL 10 valid and JESUS even told us. “IF you love me, keep my commandments.” What commandments was He referring to if not the big 10? We will be judged by our “works”. James tells us that our faith without our works is dead. We must focus on combining our faith with our works to please the LORD.
            We are saved by grace through our faith yes, but we shall be judged by our works for our crowns and our rewards…

        • wandakate

          Based on the fig tree and a generation of people being between 70+80 yrs. JESUS said He would return during the generation and that was based on the re-establishment of the birth of Israel. That happened in May of 1948, therefore it would be between 2018 and 2028 that JESUS would return to earth and open up all the graves and take home His beloved. They died knowing JESUS and they will rise and meet Him in the air. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET. See Rev. 11:15-19 and that is when it all takes place. JESUS will appear and take possession of this world away from satan, right at that time.
          So, we are very close to the return of JESUS CHRIST, and you are on target…I am glad somebody realizes that and can see the forest for the trees. When the spiritual veil is taken off, we can see clearly can’t we?

          • afchief

            Yes, we are close to the return of Christ.

    • Josey

      I can’t wait to see my Redeemer!

      • Johnny Casas

        Yu’ll see him like the rest of us will, ALL of us, one day. Stop waiting for Him to come down to save the Earth. Not gonna happen, When we all pass on to the Light (God) that’s where we stay.

        • Ari

          You are high on drugs and you need to read the bible. Jesus was very clear on what will happen numerous times within the new testament and Old testament. Yes, Jesus is talked about in the Old testament as well.

        • wandakate

          We are not ALL going to pass onto the light of GOD. Most people will unfortunately go to hell. They have disobeyed GOD and made their own rules, and made their own choices and they will pay dearly for doing that.
          But, we do seal our own fate.

      • Joe Soap

        I can’t wait for you to see your redeemer either.

    • Johnny Casas

      Youre full of shit – last days my ass. I do NOT agree with the “inbreeding:, I think it’s insane, but I couldn’t care less otherwise if they want want to be in a 3-way relationship or a harem of 10.

    • wandakate

      NEVER did I dream I would live to see the vile lifestyle of these people. GOD is so ashamed of us…He said He would spew us out of His mouth (not have anything to do with us) and that we would have judgment upon us. It’s only going to progress from this point forward.
      YES, we are clearly in the last days and it’s going to be hell to pay when JESUS bestows His judgment on us. LORD have mercy!

  • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

    A slippery slope, indeed. This is why the Bible forbade one from adding or subtracting things to His Word: The “God didn’t say anything” argument is fallacious, and effectively renders His Word to mean nothing.

    Scripture Not to be Altered

    (verses highlighted in bold)

    Deuteronomy 4:2
    Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you…

    ***

    Deuteronomy 12:32
    …What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it

    ***

    Proverbs 30:5-6
    …(5)Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (6)Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar

    ***

    Revelation 22:18-19
    …(18)For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    (19)And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book…

    ***

    • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

      Marriage Covenant with Scriptural Affirmations

      [Closely observe how all mentions of marriage are between one man and one woman, only]

      (verses highlighted in bold)

      Genesis 2:23-25
      …(23)And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. (24)Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

      (25)And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed….

      ***

      Matthew 19:4-6
      …(4)And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5)And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

      (6)Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder…

      ***

      Mark 10:6-9
      …(6)But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (7)For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; (8)And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

      (9)What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder…

      ***

      1 Corinthians 6:15-17
      …(15)Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. (16)What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

      (17)But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit…

      ***

      I Corinthians 7:1-4
      …(1)Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. (2)Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

      (3)Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. (4)The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife…

      ***

      Ephesians 5:30-33
      …(30)For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. (31)For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. (32)This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

      (33)Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband

      ***

    • Names_Stan

      This is why the Bible forbade one from adding or subtracting things to His Word:

      What are you doing if you’re not living as an Orthodox Jew?

      “For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
      – Jesus

      Heaven nor earth has disappeared. Therefore not the smallest letter of the Law has disappeared.

      But you only post OT law that deals with laws that aren’t an issue for you. You never argue for shellfish or polycotton underwear to be outlawed. You don’t tell us about your strict sabbath observation.

      You haven’t even championed the execution of adulterers or of children who dishonor their parents.

      In a separate record of Jesus’ verbiage here, He says it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.

      We’ve all made Jewish law invalid. But the self-righteous among us levage clever apologies for their invalidations, as they pound others with “abominations”.

      • TJ

        Yes, and Jesus accomplished exactly what the law demanded and finished it in the only way it could be finished; Death. That’s why he said, “It is finished…”

        Further, the law of Moses only applies to those present at Horeb. NOT their fathers. So, when we read Paul speak to the Galations 3:7 that those of “faith” are the children of Abraham. The argument that Paul makes is that the law does not apply to those who trust God through Christ.

        Not that we are a people without law. We live under the law of Christ which is ” Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.” and more, “And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.” Galations 6: 2, 7, 9-10

        • Names_Stan

          Thank you, well-stated and I’m very familiar with the apologetics on all sides.

          The problem, however, is there’s no way to spin that heaven and earth did not pass away. The only two choices are to pretend Jesus didn’t really mean what He said.

          And the problem with that should be obvious: it’s the exact criticism that fundamentalists throw at gay people…that they must take (their chosen verses) for exactly what they say.
          (The comment I responded to here is a boilerplate example.)

          Furthermore, add the layer of Gehenna. Jesus tells the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, separated but seeing each other, and doing some communicating directly or thru a medium.

          Do fundamentalists see this as a parable? No, it’s “clear”, it’s “literal”, exactly what eternal torture will be like, designed by God and discussed by Jesus in this Literal Lazarus Story!

          But Jesus couldn’t really have meant that the entire law is valid until heaven and earth pass away.
          He just wanted to slip that in a couple weeks before the crucifixion, in case the folks listening need to know they should stay Jewish til He died.

          Right. Intellectual honesty at its apologetic best.

          • TJ

            Key word “until”. It’s used twice. It won’t disappear (law) UNTIL all is accomplished.

            Your paradigm is only allowing that salvation is by works or law. The law ends in only one way for men. Death. Jesus accomplished what was needed “once for all”. This is the message of Romans.

            Those who try to live by law (works) miss the point. God takes care of the sin problem and we are to “cast our burdens” upon him.

            The issue, as I see it, is that human beings want to do whatever they want and their maker is saying, “I didn’t design you that way…” i.e. “Abomination”. God didn’t design us to lie, steal, cheat, or choose any behavior other than what we, as humans, are designed for. That’s trying to take shortcuts through life and the God of the Bible doesn’t do shortcuts. He wants us to live through everything. Good and bad. AND he wants to be with us and in us through everything (God with us). He only wants the BEST for us.

            Wives are a gift from the Lord. Proverbs 18:22

            Children are gifts from the Lord. Psalm 127:3

            How do you feel when someone rejects a gift that you have planned for years. Saved, planned, obtained through much personal labor and love and offered with hope that it will be received with joy? But we reject that gift when we mess with the union between men and women. Choose your flavor of dysfunction. Anger, obsession, compulsions, discontent with current status with an attitude of malice, revenge etc. all of which end in lives not meeting God’s expectations for us at the least, or, worse, tragedy.

            Honesty is something we should all strive for. Especially honesty to ourselves. What and where do I take shortcuts? Why do I take them? Why don’t I wait for God to work? God already knows the answers. AND he knows how we lie to ourselves.

            Just like humans. We keep coveting the tree and never look to the grand expanses of the garden prepared by the living God for our benefit.

          • Names_Stan

            Again, well-stated, and I understand the orthodoxy here and their accompanying apologetics.
            Also, honesty is at the very foundation of what I argue for to both ends of the theological perspective.

            The “key word” of “until all things are accomplished” don’t appear in Luke 16:17:

            “It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.”

            And I’m not trying to argue for being justified by the law here. Follow me for a minute, and I’ll explain why this matters to me.

            Are you aware of James the Just and the early Church in Jerusalem? We know he existed, and was martyred in the 60’s, but we don’t know if he was the same James as “the brother of the Lord”.

            I believe it’s fairly obvious that he is the Christian leader Paul discusses in Galatians. This is when he said, “I do not lie!”.
            (Which should be a dead giveaway that somebody publicly said he was lying.)

            What Paul says is that these guys are leading a JEWISH Christianity. But that he showed himself trustworthy to them, and they blessed his conversion, theology and ministry to the Gentiles.

            All of the above definitely passes the common sense test. We can easily imagine these things happening.

            The problems start in another 20-70 years (depending on how you date the Gospels), when these guys are all gone, and they begin to record the stories and teachings of Jesus.

            What happens is, we find evidentiary backing for BOTH theologies. There are statements attributed to Jesus that sounds like Paul, and there are others like the passage above that are obviously intended to give a nod to Christianity as a fully Jewish spinoff.

            What is the outcome of this? It’s all the debate and arguing and insults that are passed every day. Passed because someone uses a legalistic approach at another, while declaring their own protection under grace.

            So we rank sins, yet shrug off the teachings of Jesus that tell us nobody ever gets it right, period.

            The honesty part for me is that the Gospels simply don’t all say the same thing. And the bigger problem in the faith today is not inclusive Christianity, it’s exclusive Christianity, which has to pretend that hundreds of passages don’t say what they say.

            Its undeniable that Jesus is recorded as saying we will not be permitted to stop following the law until this heaven and this earth pass away. The early followers were Jews, and their side simply lost to the Gentiles.

            But when people throw legalism at others, they need to understand that the same test will be measured against them.

          • TJ

            This is just for the record. In Luke 16:17 the context is Jesus talking to Pharisees who revered their traditions above the law Moses received are saying to him that (my paraphrase) Jesus was full of it.

            Jesus, in my view, is reminding them that they are still bound by the Law of Moses. Their fathers agreed to it and bound their children (to which the Pharisees proudly confessed) to it. Somewhat like the American Constitution. Only we can ammend our Covenant but the Jews could not change the Mosaic law.

            I think that’s why, in verse 18, Jesus brings up adultery. Because of all the traditions surrounding the treatment of women in Israel at that time. God wanted one man, one woman… ’til death do you part. The Pharisees had created an elaborate system of divorce that favored men and men who were unscrupulous could (and did) take advantage (defraud) women by adhering to tradition but would never be able to do those things under the law.

            But, that’s just my position.

          • Still Seeking

            Amen 🙂

        • wandakate

          Then apparently according to your theory the 10 commandments are invalid…they are obsolete, they are not relevant for today. Are we to obey the 10 commandments or are they on the back burner or were they “done away with at the cross” as they like to tell us?

          • TJ

            Not my theory. Like Peter said in 2 Peter 3:16, Paul’s sayings are hard to understand. In a nutshell:

            1. We are no longer under law (schoolmaster) but in Christ. Galatians 3:24

            2. The law is for those who need it. 1Tim 1:9 ( and, if you read this the list is more than just ten commandments. i.e. more stringent, strict.)

            3. Jesus didn’t come to condemn, but those who don’t believe how serious God considers sin and ignore his son’s death on their behalf are condemned (old english = damned) John 3

            4. For those who look upon him who is “lifted up” a new situation is created. They are now sons (& daughters PC patrol) and no longer slaves to sin.

            Romans 6 explains and here is part…

            12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as
            instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God,
            as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

            SO, as i

          • wandakate

            When he was speaking about not being under the law, he was referring to the sacrificial laws, the ceremonial laws, the dietary laws, and the common laws. Those were ALL done away with at the cross, b/c JESUS was our sacrificial Lamb, the LAMB of GOD, that takes away the sins of the world. There was NO need for any of those laws anymore. The moral laws (royal laws) of GOD however were NEVER done away with, they were written with the finger of GOD on two tablets of stone and placed inside the Ark of the Covenant…We were to ALWAYS abide by the 10 commandments. We will even follow the 4th one in the new heaven and the new earth for eternity.
            GOD said we must obey for 1,000 generations, it’s not been that long yet. They are ALL 10 still valid. They are not obsolete, they are still as relevant now as they ever were.
            We don’t want to obey ALL of them and that is why we like to ignore them or make people think they don’t matter, so we don’t have to abide by them. JESUS however saw it another way, He called for our obedience when He plainly said, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”. What commandments was the talking about?
            He also said, “Not everyone who says to me on that day LORD, LORD, will enter the kingdom of GOD, but “only” those who did the will of the FATHER”.
            So, you see JESUS told us to “keep” the 10 commandments, ALL of them. He’s the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. So, I hope it’s settled now…

          • TJ

            I guess the question to sort this out is, is one condemned if one does not keep the law? I’m not saying we should not be good or to use grace as license.

            What I’m trying to say is that you will never combine the Mosaic Law and grace. That law leads to death. You will focus on it and not on Christ. Eventually, becoming it’s prisoner. (i.e. “…oops, I DID NOT do that or… I DID that…”

            Remember, you cannot please God with fig leaves (garden), fruit of the ground (Cain and Abel), linen (Mosaic law), or keeping of Mosaic law. He supplies skins, firstlings (firstborn), wool and His grace.

            Remember the temple (disciples focus on the shining temple on the hill, Jesus is saying HE is the focus. Destroy THIS temple and in three days I’ll rebuild.) Focus on the body of Christ, not the buildings of man. Over and over God says “My Law” (but at different times he requires different things. None of which offend his attributes or trespass against him. Adam had his law, Abraham another (I might add, his father had a dream to go to Canaan but settled in Haran, and failed in quest…), Isaac another, and Moses brought the 613 commandments to Israel. That Mosaic law has been fulfilled, that is, brought to it’s only logical conclusion, death. And, you know of what death I speak, that is the death of Jesus Christ.

            Either accept that death or not. Don’t mix it.

            That’s what Paul is saying in Galatians, the writer of Hebrews (enter into “rest” and that’s all I’m saying. When we trust Christ, we are not bound by law but relationship. And of course I’m not going to murder, steal (time, possessions, relationships) covet etc. because that’s not what my God wants. God meets us where we are. Just start walking with him.

            There’s a lot more to this, and my posts are always long. Do the right thing all the time. When we fall, confess or agree with God and ourselves that we have issues (sin). In other words, don’t lie to yourself! Get up, thank God for Jesus and try again because it’s not because I am worthy (law) but because he is worthy (grace). Not because of what I’ve done or didn’t do (law) but because of what he has performed and accomplished.

            I heard someone say once that if you trust Christ for your salvation and you don’t keep the law, you will still go to heaven… You may just get there sooner than you planned. God is just. Yes. God loves mercy. He is not willing that any should perish.

            Keep the focus on Christ. Have faith in God.

          • wandakate

            We are NOT under any of the laws the 600+ laws, they were as I have said, “nailed to the cross”.
            However JESUS did say that He didn’t come to abolish the laws (the moral laws). They are the 10 commandments. Are they irrelevant today? Do they ALL not mean anything?
            JESUS said, “IF you’ve broken one of them, you’ve broken them all”.
            Did He also not say, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”? Can you answer these questions for me? Most people skim over everything and don’t even bother to answer the questions…do they not know any answers?
            James said that our faith without our works (deeds-actions) is dead. He said that our faith alone will not save us.
            We will be according to JESUS rewarded by our works/deeds/actions.
            JESUS said, “I’m coming quickly and my REWARD is with me, to give to each man according to His works shall be”.
            I’m not into any “hyper-grace” message. JESUS said, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”…What about that? What COMMANDMENTS was He referring to here?
            We are NOT saved by obeying any laws, but we are to live in obedience to the big 10 at least.
            We are saved by the grace of GOD, through our faith, BUT we will be judged by our WORKS…There are crowns and rewards waiting for those who obey the Commandments (yes, all 10 of them). If one is relevant then they ALL are. We can’t pick and choose which ones we like and disregard the rest, and you must know that.
            We are not to add to the scriptures or take anything away from them either.
            As for as “Entering into my rest”, it talks in that passage about the 7th day, that is the Sabbath, it’s Saturday, not Sunday. It was talking about entering GOD’s rest, just as He rested from His work on the 7th day of the week…
            People twist the scriptures and we don’t get the full meaning that way. Read it as it is, and understand what it is that it’s saying. He rested on the 7th day, He blessed it, He made it holy, He set it aside as HIs own special day. He didn’t do that with the rest of the days, only the 7th one. And no I am not an Adventist. The 7th day was always the Sabbath, until man changed it to the 1st day of the week.

          • TJ

            Hi again. I think, basically, we’re on the same page here and there are millenia of writings on the subject but just a point to clear up and Paul says it best in Colossians 2:13-14. For a Christian, the law is dead (Romans 7:2-4) and we are joined to our Husband, Christ.

            This doesn’t mean we (Christians) are without law!. We are now bound by the Law Of Christ (a new covenant). And yes, they are summed up with love others as i have loved you (John 13:34) and do not be weary of well doing. How? By bearing one another’s burdens. (Galations 6) When we operate in the sphere of obeying God by helping others, we, by obeying, show our love for God.

            Essentially, we choose whether to be judged alone by our keeping of the law (without Christ) or to be found “in Christ” and let him take care of the requirements of the law. The law is good but is just like the figures of the tabernacle (Hebrews 8) etc are merely a form that points to the NEW covenant. God will write HIS law (new covenant) into our minds, write on hearts etc. The law stands and will provide penalty for those outside Christ. Paul stated that “as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse” (Galations 3:10) But, for those in Christ, the ordinances against us have been blotted out. Those written by the finger of God and Moses (old convenant).

            Again, we are not lawless. But now we are free to offer ourselves to God for his use unto righteousness (new convenant). (Romans 6:11-14)

            The problem is that we, as human beings, are sinful and when someone says not to do something we NATURALLY think about reasons why we SHOULD. For example, Paul in Romans 7:9 says, “For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.” When we focus on the law, we fall. Change the focus to God’s work and his call on your life to join him in his purposes forever and you will see freedom like you’ve never known.

            As for “rest” Hebrews 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

            So, let’s believe God!

          • wandakate

            I believe JESUS and He said, “IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”. Now, are they relevant for today in your opinion?????
            Was the 1st day of the week (Sunday) the Sabbath? Was it the day GOD rested from His work? Was it the day that JESUS preached in the temples? Was it the day set aside as blessed, hallowed, and holy?
            What did it mean to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief?????
            Didn’t Paul tell us that the law is holy, just and good?
            JESUS said, I didn’t come to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
            What does it mean to fulfill the law? It means to increase it, to improve upon it. It was not obsolete.
            Are we not to obey the Moral Laws of GOD or what is known as the 10 Commandments?????
            Depending on these answers we would know if we are or are not on the same page.
            GOD is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. He does not change.

          • TJ

            To anyone who is passing by, please read the scriptures I gave above in their context. I hope that the Holy Spirit will help you see what Paul was advocating for. God bless.

          • wandakate

            HEY I am “passing by” and I didn’t see the specific answers to my questions. You apparently don’t have them, you don’t know the answers or that your answers are not the right ones. So, obviously that’s why the answers are not here to be read by anyone interested in them besides me.
            Of course I didn’t expect you would answer them. But when you know the truth, the truth will set you free. I guess your still in the dark on these issues.

          • TJ

            Distinguenda enim est res ab abusu. Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.

          • wandakate

            Apparently this is Spanish or you just threw together a bunch of letters that nobody here can make any sense of…ENGLISH is the language we read and speak here for the most part. thanks…

    • afchief

      Good to see ya Adam!

      • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

        You too, chief! How’ve you been?

        • afchief

          Good! Miss some of you guys from Charisma. Probably won’t go back. I have looked at some of their articles and it looks like they are moving to the left and have some weird theology in their articles.

          • Names_Stan

            What on earth have they ever posted that was “liberal”?

            Daily end of the world predictions aligned with astrology is FAR from a liberal perspective.

            You may be right that they’re posting liberal articles that I haven’t noticed. Just to be sure, please post two or three examples.

          • afchief

            I should say Politically Correct instead of liberal.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            Well, they definitely have been publishing some seemingly strange prophecies, as of late. As for that, I’ll just take the ‘wait and see’ approach on whether or not they come to pass.

            Otherwise, I try to minister to whom I can. I’ve been blessed in being able to pray with two posters, within the past week. Anything I can do to serve in the kingdom of God!

          • wandakate

            We are saved by GOD’s grace through our faith, BUT, we will be judged by our works. So you serving the kingdom of GOD is a good thing, nothing better than our faith coupled with our works. It’s a combination deal for sure. JESUS told us, Our faith without our works is dead, and that Not everyone that says to Him on that day LORD, LORD is going to enter into the Kingdom of GOD, but ONLY the ones who do the will of the FATHER…

          • wandakate

            Many times I am put on hold b/c they don’t like what I’ve said. But when you know the truth, the truth will set you free…

          • afchief

            They have banned me, Ax, Amos, Doug, Adam and others, but Adam asked to come back. I may come back sometime. Maybe!

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    Why stop at three? Why stop at 3000?

    • Names_Stan

      Probably 1000 is a limit.

      That was King Solomon’s example.

      • afchief

        But not God’s example!

        • Names_Stan

          Exodus 21:10
          Deuteronomy 21:15-17
          Deuteronomy 17:17

          • afchief

            Silly liberal! Don’t even try to quote the word of God. The natural mind has NO idea of the spiritual. None!!!

            Genesis 2:24 (NASB) For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

            Again, God’s heart has been and always will be “one man and one woman” period!!!

          • Names_Stan

            If you really believed you could debate the passages on the merit of proving they don’t favor (or at least tolerate) polygamy, you wouldn’t need to resort to dismissive name-calling.

          • afchief

            We are no longer under the Old Testament law. Even then God’s heart was always one man and one woman for marriage. God tolerated polygamy. However, that was NOT his heart. Jesus even quoted Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5 (NASB) and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?

            From the beginning of man until eternity, it will always be one man and one woman in marriage.

          • Names_Stan

            We are no longer under the Old Testament law.

            And yet:

            It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

            Did Jesus not really say this, not really mean it, or is it grossly mistranslated?

          • Still Seeking

            Did Jesus not use hyperbole? “It’s easier for a camel to go thru an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven?”

          • Names_Stan

            Most surely! And hi to you.

            Personally I love the hyperbole and think it’s a key indicator of the complexity of God’s relationship to man.

            This is also a big part of the reason that I speak out against reducing God, and the person and ministry of Christ, to a “personality” with barely more maturity than a jealous teenager who has a sadistic streak.

          • Still Seeking

            I can see where you are coming from, especially in the OT, but I have read it from a different perspective. I see a “heartbroken” God and a loving Father who wants nothing more for His children but happiness and joy. Their waywardness only leads them to destruction but He withholds nothing to lead them back unto Himself. We do not know what is going on behind the scenes; we have a history lesson in the OT, and until His presence was finally made known according to His plan, we see Him as He is in Jesus through the eyes of the Holy Spirit.
            Since you put the word, “personality” in quotes and although it probably is not relating to your comment, I would like to testify as to why I have a problem with the more liberal church denominations. I believe it may have slipped in with the feminist movement, (now possibly linked with the equality movement), that started with removing personal pronouns in reference to God. When God appeared to us in the flesh as Jesus, although He was still God, He didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself taking the form of a servant. Philippians 2:5-7. Removing personal pronouns in reference to God hinders our relationship with Him and all that He came to be for us. Our personal rights are not so important as our willingness to serve Him and each other. We need to take heed lest we find ourselves seeking equality with God. Is this what you were saying? I think it would apply to the whole body of Christ.

          • Names_Stan

            I’ve never heard an Episcopalian or other mainline Christian say anything about having issues with pronouns. But I do agree we see the anthropomorphizing of God as an oversimplification.

            And that goes into the larger point about a discomfort of reducing God to childish qualities that are frankly less complex than any actual people I know.

            There’s just no way in my mind that God could create Einstein or Shakespeare, yet be a raving lunatic whose main job is to torture people on my behalf that I may not like.

            Since I’ve also been a very involved part of right and left on the theology spectrum, I know wonderful Christians on both poles and everywhere in between.

            The main difference in left and right, for me, is that my left-minded friends would never presume to judge the eternal fate of a fundamentalist. Unfortunately that’s not so in the other direction.

            That’s the number one reason I had to make a change. It’s the great Lamott quote, “You can tell someone has created God in their own image when He hates all the same people they do.”

            When a church or denomination breeds that spirit (and we know they do, because anonymous posters throw these judgements out online every single day), it’s a spirit I can’t support.

            But I don’t think for a minute they’re less redeemed than I am…although they think that of me. I just think the psychological need for certainty causes defense mechanisms to kick in when information is presented that is different from indoctrination.

            Hope that makes sense. 🙂

          • Still Seeking

            Thanks, Stan. Yes, your reply does make sense. My hope is that these forums can help unite opposing views and a better understanding of them and where we are coming from.
            I am thinking along the lines that those in the pews of mainline churches have not even realized that personal pronouns in reference to God have disappeared and have just assimilated the new language; hence, no problem to them. Of course, God is much bigger than our comprehension but not so big that He cannot reach down and encompass us. We are made in His image and we are not just a “verb”, but a noun. God is “I Am”, and that includes “I”. If He is just a “force”, there is the risk of tending to use Him from or for our own understanding and that would be like placing ourselves on His throne. Jesus was not childlike in addressing God as our Father, and more intimately, Abba.
            So we have vastly different viewpoints, but yet we still worship the same God, do we not? No one who truly knows God wants to portray Him as a raving lunatic. I don’t know if there is so much hate in the body of Christ as there is misunderstanding in communication. We are at different stages of growth; God may first appear to us as demanding, then maybe we can even find ourselves bargaining with Him, and then when we hit that brick wall on the road of our lives, we may finally realize that He is the One who has been caring for us all along and we want no more than for Him to engulf our very beings and to share Him with others who then believe that we are crazy, bigoted lunatics. ? May He help us in our zeal, fuel us with His Word, and never let us run ahead of Him.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            God and a loving Father who wants nothing more for His children but happiness and joy.

            And yet, what some of his children see as happiness and joy, He calls a sin.

          • Still Seeking

            So true; sin “seems” like happiness and joy, but leads nowhere but total entrapment when one continues down that path.

          • afchief

            When Jesus said that He was talking to the Jews who were still under the law. Romans 7:1-4 (NASB) Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? 2 For the married woman is bound by law to her [a]husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law [b]concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

            4 Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

            When Christ went to the Cross, the Law died! We are no longer under the law

          • ppp777

            Full stop .

  • FoJC_Forever

    Homosexuality is about perverted sex, not Love. This is Truth.

    Judgement is coming.

    • Valri

      Wrong. Homosexual people are not just about sex, but love, exactly the same as straight people.

      • afchief

        Wrong! It is about sex. Homosexuals do not care about marriage. They want to destroy it.

        • Valri

          Please explain to me why a homosexual who has only EVER been about trying to form a loving relationship with someone of the same sex, would have the SLIGHTEST bit of interest in “destroying marriage.”

          • afchief

            Because it is sin. When a person is bound by sin he wants others to accept that sin. They do not feel good about themselves. Sin is a cancer. It eats at you. You cry for help but the help never comes because they are looking in the wrong place. Why do you think gays come to Christian websites like this and others? They are looking for affirmation from us Christians. They want to know that God made them this way. They want for us to tell them it is okay. Inside they are crying for freedom. That is why they are here.

            There is freedom. His name is Jesus!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            roflmao!!!!! I almost spiiled my coffee, laughed so hard at this comment!!!! But you can believe it to your heart’s content. But don’t expect homosexuals to believe it, they just laugh at you.

          • afchief

            There will come a time when there will be no laughing. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!!!!!

            Hebrews 9:27 (NASB) And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

          • wandakate

            They won’t be laughing on judgment day, they will be sobbing instead…

      • FoJC_Forever

        Homosexuals are given to perverted sex and perverted “love”. They can be saved from their Sin, and some are being saved despite the huge push in our society to make it look good and acceptable. Those who promote it and continue to pursue it until the day their body dies will be cast away into Eternal Damnation. Why? Because they did not accept and follow the Truth, who is Jesus (the) Christ.

        Judgement is coming.

        • Valri

          Judgement isn’t coming. Anyone who’s ever said that throughout history has been proven wrong and completely humiliated. They are not sinning, they are falling in love the only way their genetic makeup allows them to. You are bearing false witness which in your faith is a sin.

          • afchief

            Yes, it IS sin! Romans 1:18-28 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

            24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

      • wandakate

        There is a difference however. One is “legal” in GOD’s eyes, and one is not…GOD only intended for it to be one man and one woman and anything outside of that was sin. It’s okay to love another person but when we combine sexual activity with that love, then it becomes a perverted sin in GOD’s eyes.

    • wandakate

      We can also refer to it as the “lust of the flesh”. They think it’s love, but it’s desire carried out which is the lust of the flesh and in disobedience to GOD. If they want to disregard what GOD says, and spend their eternity in hell it is their choice. JESUS said, that they will not enter into the Kingdom of GOD!

  • bowie1

    Why bother with the divorce when two were already “married”? However, this is not how it is right in God’s eyes who designed marriage to be between one man and one woman.

    • wandakate

      GOD will “never” approve of any of this beyond what He created in the garden of Eden. One man and one woman and that is a “marriage” according to GOD, nothing more. These people are only fooling themselves, they are deceived and into the ways of this evil world.
      JESUS will separate them in the end, the saved form the unsaved, the sheep from the goats and the obedient ones from the disobedient ones…The wheat from the tare. NO SIN will enter the kingdom of GOD…

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them and does not dwell in lust upon others, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

      Good, comprehensive post! Continue spreading the Word!

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      You just can’t help it can you? You keep repeating yourself.

    • ppp777

      Well put , but modern English would be better .

      • Reason2012

        Modern English would, but other English translations use some other manuscripts and end up changing what God’s Word says in many critical places.

        • ppp777

          That is easy sorted , just read your text and type it to modern English yourself .

          • Reason2012

            It’s not always entirely obvious what the correct “modern” word should be, so anyone taking the authority to change it is suspect at best.

          • ppp777

            The Hebrew and greek translations are not the same as the english , you need to get out of your legalistic cultish attitude .

          • Reason2012

            We can look up the Greek and Hebrew words and to find out what the English words were translated from. But picking different English words is hardly a trivial process to be taken lightly. Not sure what triggered you to then launch into a hateful attack. Take care.

    • wandakate

      ONLY heaven and hell, those are the two choices, there is no other. We either obey GOD and His written word, or we disobey GOD and suffer the consequences for that disobedience. It is our choice, we seal our own fate. We make our own decisions, as we either follow GOD and His ways or we follow the ways of this evil world, but one thing is for sure, we can’t do both…

  • Funkasaurasrex

    We are going to need a bigger handbasket.

    • The Last Trump

      Is the WORLD big enough?
      As in the days of Noah and Lot it would seem.
      Storm’s a commin’.

      • Valri

        No it isn’t, sir. Never has, never will.

  • Nidalap

    Yep. Amazingly easy to see this coming too. We’re not at the bottom of the slope either. We seem to be picking up speed as we slide too…

    • Valri

      What a joke. You think this is going to cause a trend or something? It’s just three losers trying to get some headline attention. Try to find one homosexual person on your own who’s trying to be part of a “throuple”.

      • The Last Trump

        Yeah. You’re probably right.
        These are the only people who will ever do this. (!)
        Looks like your avatar picture perfectly reflects the magnitude of your naivity.

        • Valri

          Oh by all means, give me a link to the enormous list of threesomes looking to get married, gay or straight, your choice. Go easy on yourself.

          What’s YOUR username all about? Flatulence?

          • The Last Trump

            Huh?
            Links to enormous lists?? Whazzat now?
            Guess you missed the part about the slippery slope starting to pick up speed and “people who WILL do this”.
            Future tense junior. Future tense. Try to keep up little one.
            This newest low in the level of deviancy in an ever growing list of increasingly disturbing acts of marriage defilement is just getting started. And it certainly doesn’t surprise anybody. Not any more.
            Don’t tell me YOU didn’t see this coming?! And you actually believe this will be just an isolated incident?
            Adorable! 🙂

          • Valri

            “Guess you missed the part about the slippery slope starting to pick up speed and “people who WILL do this”.

            No I didn’t miss it. Who are these people? And where are they? One news item about some oddballs is somehow supposed to be representative about a whole subculture you insist is there but no one else has ever seen or heard of?

            What’s adorable? Marriage defilement how? With the divorce rate of straight people, married people aren’t exactly setting the bar very high to begin with, or have you not noticed that?

            Or do you make everyone who’s not white, straight, Christian and Republican your personal boogeyman?

          • afchief

            You do not see what we Christians see. We know this has to happen. We know before Christ returns it will be like Sodom and Gonorrhea. Jesus said it would. Look, marriage has, for generations upon generations, been defined as the union of one man and one woman. It is a thing in nature called procreation,, and since they have the inability to do something so natural in nature they have to do something strange like proselyting. They do not fit into the natural world and want to force the whole world to think they are normal

            We Christians will ALWAYS see homosexuality as a sin. There is nothing normal about it. It has been and always will be perverted, deviant, dangerous and sin to us.

            Nothing has and nothing will change!!!!

          • Valri

            Did you ACTUALLY just say “Sodom and Gonorrhea”?

            “Nothing has and nothing will change our minds!!!!”

            Do you think it’s somehow virtuous to be unreasonable and unwilling to open your mind to change?

          • afchief

            Yes, I meant Gomorrah. What the Word of God say will never change neither will I. If God calls homosexuality an abomination, so will I. If God calls homosexuality a sin, so will I.

            It will NOT change!!!

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          There is no slippery slope! Or Gaystapo! Now, everyone stop asking so many questions! 🙂

          • Josey

            Yep, nothing happening here…lol

  • disqus_2cps5iuKpx

    With the way things are going, we should legalize marriage to livestock and other beasts.
    The LGBT mafia is sending society to help through the (not so) supreme court.

    • Names_Stan

      Have any livestock you’re aware of ever granted a person consent to do so?

      • The Last Trump

        Have any you’re aware of NOT consented?!
        Guess it’s ok then, huh?
        Liberals. Go figure.

        • Names_Stan

          I’m sure you liked your angle, what with the caps and dramatic punctuation, but I don’t understand the post.

          If you’re claiming that silence equals sexual consent, I believe every state in the union considers that incorrect.

          Here’s the verbiage from the first thing Google came up with. This happens to be Illinois code:

          by force or threat of force…when the victim was unable to understand the nature of the act or was unable to give knowing consent.

          Do you want to argue that an animal could meet this test?

          Again, I didn’t understand your meaning, so apologies if I’m totally missing something.

      • John_33

        Just to clarify since I don’t believe for a second that you actually support bestiality, are you saying that if animals could consent, then it would be OK? Or is there a better reason than lack of consent that explains why bestiality is objectionable?

        • Names_Stan

          The issue wasn’t objection-ability (though that probably isn’t an actual word, so I’ll copyright it maybe).

          The issue was “should we legalize” blah blah.

          The consent definitions respond purely to that issue, and they assist in delineating SSM from marriage involving minors (like FLDS plural marriage) or “livestock”.

          Mr. Trump was the one who implied that all livestock consent (I think). I’m saying none do.

          Whether there are “better reasons” seems moot to me. But sure, there are other reasons, and good ones. I’m just not sure they spell out the legal test as well as the consent issue.

          • John_33

            Well, we eat animals without asking of their consent, we use their fur without their consent, and we keep them as pets without their consent, so the argument that we suddenly need their consent in this case is not logical. Humans don’t deal with animals on a consensual basis. To argue that we need consent in this case is simply applying human social standards to animals. There needs to be a better reason to condemn bestiality. Either act is inherently wrong, or there are cases where bestiality is acceptable. Those are the only two possible conclusions.

          • Names_Stan

            That’s a fair assessment, although most of my liberal friends would say they work every bit as much for humane meat processing as they would to prevent legalization of animal marriage.

            And I kinda think the key point here is that I don’t know of any sane person fighting for this right in the first place. But, admittedly I may just be terribly uninformed, and there’s a billion dollar Animal Marriage Lobby.

            The issue of “why” something is wrong is a whole different area of philosophy…one I’ve studied, and generally landed on more than one view.

            In modern terms I tend to lean to Kohlberg, because I believe we have absolutely no problem with people (of any faith or no faith), who achieve the highest stage of ethical behavior. Which is simple the act of doing right because it’s the right thing to do.

            In the long run this always holds up better than promise of money, promise of heaven, threat of hell or a host of other, lower-stage emotional maturity levels.

          • John_33

            It isn’t hard to explain why bestiality is wrong. It violates the natural order and it perverts common decency. People and animals are adversely affected by such behavior, and as such, it should remain banned. To put it simply, humans weren’t made to be with animals.

            The problem with a purely philosophical approach to ethics is that there is no single definition of ethical behavior. One person’s definition of high ethics differs from another, and yet we know that right and wrong exists. Only if there is a God can there be a true ethical standard. Otherwise, undesirable acts like murder or bestiality are simply preferences like our likes and dislikes of products.

          • Names_Stan

            I have to disagree, on the basis that people will never agree on what the bible actually says about ethics.

            It’s easy to say “don’t kill or steal or sex anybody”, but the world is far more complex than the ones who want Ten-Commandments-as-lawbook will admit.

            For example, does the commandment say not to kill or not to murder? Can anyone answer that with any certainty?

            In the Old Testament, God commanded babies be killed, women to marry their rapists, and men to take women as spoils of war. How should that inform our ethics decisions in the modern day?

            This very day we have professed Christians who favor:
            A) Letting the Middle East take care of their own problems
            B) Killing ISIS members
            C) Killing ISIS members plus other Muslims
            D) Killing all Muslims

            How would we choose the correct path from scripture exactly? Then, how would we convince the rest of the population that don’t see it the same way you do, because they’re using other verses as their prooftexts?

          • John_33

            It doesn’t matter what people think the Bible says. It only matters what God meant, and if God wants to convey His will to people, then can’t He do it? Of course He can.

            How should the commandments and ordinances of the Old Testament inform our ethical decisions today? They should show that sin has consequences and that death and destruction is guaranteed for us unless we are redeemed by God. That’s why Jesus came to pay for our sin and free us from it. He fulfilled exactly what the Old Testament told us – we need a savior. (Incidentally, God never commanded women to marry their rapists – that verse is mistranslated in a number of English versions.)

            You also raised the question how can we possibly know what we are to do when there are so many different opinions. The answer is simple: We don’t know, but God does. If we want to know the truth, then we simply go to Him.

          • Names_Stan

            Honestly I think that’s a view purely based in subjectivity, and society can’t run like a figure skating contest, where the Russian judge goes by “what God told him”.

            I know Roman Catholics who believe that “God has conveyed His will to them”, and I know conservative Southern Baptists, and strict Calvinists, and charismatics of four different types, and mainliners of six…who are all sincere in their belief that they know the mind of God and the correct interpretation of scripture.

            Problem is, they’re all different in big and small ways.

            Your own post makes my point. The issue we were discussing was societal laws like murder and beastiality. You responded with:
            A) Christ’s role as Redeemer, and
            B) “We don’t know but God does”.

            Both of those things are fine, and we both agree on them. But to try in any way to make objective standards out of those two things is a sheer impossibility.

            Are you willing to release a serial killer from five life sentences who says, “I been redeemed, and God says I can get out now”?

            And without the objective structure of the law, who decides that? You’re willing to cast lots for judges because that’s how Moses did it? Well, your Baptist opposition wants to decide a different way. And the Episcopalians don’t even care…what they want is every Christians possessions shared exactly evenly, the way it is in Acts.
            They’re just positive it’s “what God wants”.

            Simply put, installing Baptist law or Pentecostal law or Catholic law or Sharia law is a horrible way to run a society.

            We know Paul wrote his epistles even before the Gospels were written. And yet even by that time, he says people are “preaching other gospels”.

            He’s having this issue in 45-50 AD, and we think a religious legal system is the way to go 2000 years later?

          • John_33

            There’s nothing subjective about it. It doesn’t matter what others say or believe. It only matters what God says. If every single human being said one thing and God another, who would win? God.

            And with all due respect, you didn’t ask me how to respond to murder or bestiality. You asked me what to do with ISIS. The answer in every case where we don’t know the answer is to ask Him. He’s a real Person. See what He thinks on it.

            As for installing religious law, I never said that I advocated such! I simply said that bestiality is obviously wrong and that God must exist for objective morals to exist. It’s as simple as that.

          • Names_Stan

            Well, one of us moved the goalposts, but I’m not sure which.

            Either the act is inherently wrong (and therefore should remain illegal), or there are cases where bestiality is acceptable (and therefore should be regulated). Those are the only two possible conclusion.

            I think this quote from you is why I was dialed in to the the legal aspect. I don’t think I ever said that we shouldn’t examine objective morality in terms of God’s laws. I was simply arguing you can’t make a government system out of it.

            Lastly, your repetitive point that God knows what God wants…that’s not the issue. It’s what we can know.
            Your theology says all you have to do is “ask”. There are many, many smart and sincere people who believe no new revelation has come from God after a certain point.

            Some smart and sincere people believe Buddha or Krishna or the Beatles White Album is special revelation for them.

            There’s just no way to objectively measure those claims. It may well be that one tiny denomination somewhere in Lower Whoville has all the answers. But there’s simply no way to know it.

          • John_33

            I think this quote from you is why I was dialed in to the the legal aspect. I don’t think I ever said that we shouldn’t examine objective morality in terms of God’s laws. I was simply arguing you can’t make a government system out of it.

            If objective morality exists, then it logically follows that the law ought to reflect that. It would otherwise be immoral for the law to sanction objectively immoral acts – like killing babies for the fun of it. Therefore, while could be considered ‘religious,’ it’s actually about applying morality to the law to keep it just.

            Lastly, your repetitive point that God knows what God wants…that’s not the issue. It’s what we can know.

            I’m simply saying that God can communicate His will to His people. You are limiting God when you say that it’s about what we can know. It’s about Him.

          • Names_Stan

            It would otherwise be immoral for the law to sanction objectively immoral acts

            Sure, for those which are self-evident. For those that have the populace split down the middle, self-evidence doesn’t apply.

            But again, when you bring God into it, we still have issues. For example, rape seems a self-evident objective wrong that society must prevent and punish.

            But various biblical exegesis on the part of different sects could give us problems here. Will the literalists want exceptions for spoils of war? Will they want to kill a female for not crying for help loudly enough?

            Will adopting biblical rape guidelines lead to some sects demanding polygamy?

            Other “objective” issues like killing could get us sideways with each other, because “Thou shalt not” simply doesn’t cover it from a legal code perspective.

            As to the other point, I’ve made no claim about what God can’t do. I only say that He has chosen not to communicate His will so that all (or even most) of humanity are like-minded in receiving the message.

            The best example is slavery. Looking back this seems really simple to us. But for the people of the 19th century, there was no consensus at all. In fact most of our popular denominations in the South were formed by breaking up with the North over this issue. And both sides stood on scripture for their “proof” of rightness.

            The usual claim is something like “the Real Christians™ all agree”. To which I say, that’s what the pro- and anti-slavery folks claimed too. And even when large numbers agree, what you’ll find is the premise of agreement is wildly generalized.

            “We should love each other.”
            We shouldn’t kill.”
            “We should respect the sabbath.”

            But as soon as it’s time to work thru the details of putting something of legal language into practice, there’s no real agreement. There are opinions reaching from killing those who breach the sabbath, to favoring seven-day work weeks for all because God is a capitalist….to everything in between, like what can and can’t be sold or bought.

            We’re lucky we descend from people who carried out those debates many generations ago, with sound historical perspective and principles.

            We’ve let them down with our generations loss of real discourse and compromise.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The reason is, cause it’s just wrong. Simple.

      • Josey

        Consent???Ha, you think perverse people would care if they got consent or not, some people might say that they heard their animal say, “yes, let’s get married.” What a crazy world!

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      That is just wrong.

      • Rebecca

        Are you saying marriage to animals is wrong?

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Duh!

  • Maranatha2011

    Sick, sicker, sickest.

  • Teresa D Farmer

    People like this are never satisfied. They want more and more. This fun they are talking about isn’t a marriage at all. They like to put a name on everything. Call it what it is, sinning against God. All Christians must pray for these people because I’m sure they are sweet people. I want everyone to go to heaven.

  • Marita Gidon

    I’m so sad God must just be crying I don’t agree with whatthey are doing but it is their life and their choice but I don’t think they should bring children into it that is wrong

  • lorac odraned

    Why don’t they throw in a dog and make it a “legal” foursome? Sick, twisted, godless freaks of nature. Their sisters need to have their heads examined. God is watching.

  • Chrissy Vee

    Sick. Completely abominable.

    • Valri

      And a farce, if you think this kind of thing is going to become a regular occurrence.

      • Chrissy Vee

        Are you really this naïve or do you just go around looking to make a nuisance of yourself to people who are more aware than you?

      • Josey

        It’s only begun, it always spreads like wildfire.

  • sammy13

    I cannot believe the female siblings are going along with this. Maybe this immoral behavior is contagious!

  • Samuel F Waddell

    The ever descending depravity of sin. When we give place sinful practices that violate God’s Word then we can expect them to grow worse and worse. Just as in the days of Sodom!

  • Jolanda Tiellemans

    Oh come on people. Just some loosers who want attention. And I’ll have to say, this article and people commenting on it is a start.

  • Josey

    These men want children? They don’t deserve children so they can raise them up in perversion and make them worse in it than they are themselves. I pray God binds the wombs of these women so that no children can be produced for them in the name of Jesus. Matthew 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
    What a crock and looks like they took the line from that group the browns who are bigamists saying “love should be multiplied not divided” OH, sounds wonderful that line, huh? The devil loves to twist things, make it sound like a good thing, he must be laughing at how gullible people can be to buy his lies. I doubt that this threesome has any real idea what the word “love” truly means.

  • Harry Oh!

    I can’t wait to see what the offspring of experiments like this end up like. Things are gonna get a little crazy in the near future.

  • Crono478

    I warned this will happen right after “gay marriage” become legalized. It is like the paradox box is opened up. People who supported gay marriage refused to believe that it can happen and that it shouldn’t be a problem because it is out of “love”. Look at this article, seriously.

    Also, where did they meet? What kind of feeling they have for each other? I highly doubt that it is love despite that they say so. It is also because Bible says otherwise too.

    • Josey

      Euthanasia is another slippery slope, they say that death panels won’t happen but it will unless the Lord returns before it gets that far, before you know it the doctors, insurance companies and family members will decide who is worth continued medical support.

  • Fallenman4Jesus

    And now you see the true intentions of those who practice this SIN – total depravity. Is being a sodomite worse than any other sin? It is if you insist that others accept it, condone it, legalize it, and lead others into it. One word…..shameful.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Yep you’re right. Now every gay is going to do a threesome and going to use their sisters as surrogates. *facepalm*

      • Fallenman4Jesus

        The world is heading in the direction of Sodom and Gomorrah – total depravity with a few righteous living amongst – and will suffer the same consequence. Sodomites are sinners in need of repentance and faith in Jesus Christ as the only means to cast out their demon – if you support sodomites you support satan. *seekJesuswithyourface*

    • Josey

      I think they proved their depravity at their “gay pride parade” exposing their nudity, humping each other on the floats. There was a time when indecent exposure was a lawful offense and they would have been arrested, now it’s acceptable to do in front of small children.
      To Clae Brewer who posted up above who claims that this has been going on for fifty years, not so, yes sin has always been here but the depravity at these levels is what Jesus referred to in Matthew 24 when he was asked by His disciples about the end of the age, sodomy was one of the signs of the end. Look up our redemption is drawing nigh, there are signs in the sky, the moon, the sun, many prophecies are being fulfilled and the book of Daniel which has been sealed to the time of the end is now being revealed to the servants of God, this is the birth pangs and only God has say how fast the birth shall come but he gave us warnings for a reason. Only scoffers will say things are going on as before, no, things are getting worse daily.

  • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

    Proponents of gay marriage always pooh-poohed those who made the “slippery slope” argument. They insisted that gay marriage would not lead to a legalization of polygamy. How’s that workin’ out for ya?

    • Michael C

      I thought the article said that they were not legally married. In fact, none of them are married.

      • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

        Not quite relevant to my point.

        I’m just pointing out that advocates of dramatic social change often push their agenda without taking into account the law of unintended consequences. Or in the case of gay marriage, an out-of-hand rejection of those who would even suggest that there might be unintended consequences.

        This is not unique to gay marriage advocates. Any group with a strong agenda will minimize the possibility of unforeseeable negative consequences. We’re just seeing these particular chickens coming home to roost.

        • Valri

          “A strong agenda” – yes. For equality. Not “special rights”. Like it or not, there are homosexuals in this world and they should have the right to fall in love with the people they happen to fall in love with, and marry them if they so desire.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I’m not arguing that point. It’s a dead horse. SCOTUS spoke.

            What I am pointing out is that gay marriage proponents refused to entertain the idea that there might be some unexpected legal consequences. I also pointed out that this is not a characteristic unique to that issue. People pushing any agenda are not going to listen to “slippery slope” arguments, even if some of them have merit.

            The warnings that finding a right to gay marriage might raise issues of plural marriage and incestuous marriage were rejected out of hand. Now, of course, we’re beginning to see the fruits of that. When marriage becomes defined solely in terms of two (or more) people “loving” each other, then it’s going to become increasingly difficult to prevent other “loving” arrangements from being similarly treated.

        • Michael C

          You’re speaking jiggery pokery and pure applesauce.

          Heterosexuals have been entering into plural relationships for thousands of years. Gay people didn’t invent this. Gay people getting married didn’t lead to this.

          …and to my point, the legal recognition of the marriages of gay couples has not lead to legally recognized polygamy. Not even in Canada (of all places).

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            We’ve had this conversation before. Thanks for posting.

      • Josey

        Actually the article says they recently divorced so they could have their threesome.

        • Michael C

          Yes. Because their plural relationship is not recognized as marriage by the government (even though Canada has recognized the legal marriages of gay couples for a decade).

          Threesomes between straight people is also legal in Canada (and the U.S.).

  • Dr. Desiree Hunnicutt

    Three men whom will never be satisfied with life as it is and must try ways to fill the space only God can fill. Sad indeed.

  • TWENTY THIRTY-THREE

    This will go badley for all three of these human males. Now and in the afterlife.

  • WGB

    I agree with Brown. It was never about equality and marriage it was always about challenging the Truth of God’s Word and trying to force people who love God to disobey God.

    • Rebecca

      Yep. There has always been an agenda. Not that everyone of them know that is what they are helping, but they are nonetheless.

  • JohninRedding

    “Love brings peace to the world.” Sure, but when things go wrong it can lead to anger, hatred, revenge, violence, etc. How naive to think that you can claim love and expect all to be paradise. Perfect example of how man has claimed there is no God and we are free to do what we want. Our culture will reap what we sow and it will be a society in chaos. Disrespecting God leads to disrespecting each other.

  • Clae Brewer

    Lol! Is that all we believers can say is Jesus is coming, because iniquity has been here some 30, 40, 50 years now. Why get shook up over what the bible prophesied? Jesus said “be not troubled” when these things surface..Matthew 24:6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    Saying” The world is in much sin, look it!” doesn’t make you holy. Get out and win souls in a time where God needs His people the most and revert from standing on roof tops pointing at society that is on schedule to defy God. The plan is to get Christians to react to this atrocity and why is it typical to get a rise out you? Did it work?

  • Gena B

    As the kids grow up, out of these type of relationships, there is going to be a whole new generation of adults that are going to be very confused. We see a huge amount of single mothers raising kids without fathers, and although I give props to the hard working single women, God never intended for them to struggle and do it alone. How are these children going to identify with having two fathers and no female/mother, or the fact their father is their uncle and their mother is their aunt? Poor kids.

  • Joe Soap

    So what have the gays done now? Whatever it is I’m sure you don’t like it.

  • Becky

    Said Christ our Lord…
    “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
    Luke 21:34-36

  • sandra-paquette-

    I don’t know whether to weep, or throw up. How much can our Lord take?

  • warriorbride

    I FEEL SORRY FOR ANY CHILD THAT WILL HAVE TO GO INTO THIS SICK AND PERVERTED FAMILY ! THEY WILL BE SO CONFUSED !!!

    • Rebecca

      Sadly they will be “brainwashed” into thinking it is normal and ok.
      Basically they will be deceiving the innocent kids.

  • Rebecca

    Their abominations keep getting worse and they also want to bring innocent children into this mess. God will deal with them.

  • Rachel

    If we are being systematically genetically and culturally altered, (as much evidence suggests from numerous sources), the agenda is clearly to destroy the genetic and moral framework of the Creator. It’s a mass rebellion as we go with the flow. Soon, logically, it stands to reason that those whose sexual appetite leans toward children build their case for legalization of pedophilia. This too, over time will become the norm. Next make room for bestiality and of course we already have the fetish community, who prefer sadomasochism. Each of us will choose where we stand and by our choices will establish whom we serve, the god of this world or the Creator. Best of luck to you who waiver between two opinions (or is it three?). There’s hope for you if you find the courage to oppose this satanic agenda.

  • Frank M

    How many of those who call themselves followers of Christ voted for these political parties? We get the government we deserve.