Bible Distributing Breaks Record for 2014

Bible-IV-pd(Bible Society) Last year saw the highest number of Bibles being given out by Bible Societies around the world. There was a six percent rise from 2013 as almost 34 million Bibles were distributed according to United Bible Societies.

There were a total of 428.2 million scriptures being given out by international Bible Societies in 2014, including full Bibles, Testaments, Gospels and other smaller scripture items.

Figures show that Bible Society in England and Wales sold and gave out 20,986 Bibles, 1,364 Testaments and 21,385 Gospels. However, it seems that people from England and Wales have taken to reading the Bible online with 90,000 people downloading the Bible or part of it in audio form.

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  • FoJC_Forever

    Astonishingly, there are so many people with cold hearts who will turn the other way, smirking at the “emotionalism” of the anti-abortionists, after hearing the words of Trent Franks.

    Judgement is coming.

    • MMaximuSS1975

      No it’s not. They’ve been saying that for over 1900 years. There’s no fictional messiah coming back ever. He’d have to been here at least once already.

      • Elainee Perkins

        Oh Yes! Judgment is coming and it is going to be Hell on Earth. Jehovah GOD is real and HE is coming soon, FIRST for the “true” Church, and later at the Second Coming where HE will judge every Unbeliever at “The Great White Throne Judgment”. GOD’s Holy Word is TRUTH; And HIS Word has proven to be the TRUTH; Because of the Prophecies that were given to the Saints of old by the Holy Spirit, which have already been fulfilled. You can deny it if you want to but your denial won’t stop what is coming.

        • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

          Amen.

        • AJ2

          Amen.

        • RobUofIllinoisU/C

          Amen, and amen! Come soon Lord!

      • msueh

        Does the ss in your handle refer to Schutzstaffel? appropriate…

        And He HAS been here already and is coming back.

  • Emmanuel

    Its not murder but science and research. The left sees nothing wrong with cutting the face of a child while the heart is beating. Left, care to add more?

    • Amelia

      Please don’t speak for the left. Am the biggest liberal you’ll ever meet, but I do NOT condone the horrific actions described above. If what they say in the video is true, (and I say “if” knowing James O’Keefe’s lack of journalistic integrity), then StemExpress is subject to a thorough inquiry. They strike me as insensitive at best, and sociopathic at worst. I support Planned Parenthood and a women’s right to choose, but I question Planned Parenthood’s judgement in associating with StemExpress.

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        It was not StemExpress that cut up the baby. I question their judgement in associating with Planned Parenthood.

      • dabimf

        Amelia your words speak for themselves. You are ok with abortion. Regardless of how a baby is murdered it is still murdered. You might not condone the barbaric method mentioned but you still condone the murder of children. You are a liberal as you say.

        • Mark Bouckaert

          Well that’s the problem isn’t it. I’m ok with early term abortion because it’s NOT murder. It’s NOT a baby.

          The rhetoric here is unbelievably high. But go ahead and bash the left although I’m pretty right wing myself when it comes to size of government, and freedoms for individuals.

          • marg

            You keep tell’in yourself that Mark…..no a baby? It has arms, legs, a heart beat at 18 DAYS Mark. It also has brain waves before 8 weeks. NOT A BABY?? Then just what does what you call, lump of cells, become? Does it become a cat? Dog? Elephant? NO. It is a HUMAN BEING Mark.

          • ncgma

            Mark, just what do you think the mother has inside of her? It is certainly not a kangaroo.

          • Elainee Perkins

            Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, 5″Before
            I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.” 6Then I said, “Alas, Lord GOD! Behold, I do not know how to speak, Because I am a youth.”… Jeremiah 1:5
            (I believe this verse testifies that GOD is the giver of life and “no one” has the right to take another life. It is MURDER. GOD’s judgment is coming and it is going to be awful)

            Therefore as I live,” declares the Lord GOD, “I will give you over to bloodshed, and bloodshed will pursue you; since you have not hated bloodshed, therefore bloodshed will pursue you. EZEKIEL 35:6
            (This verse was directed at Israel, but it applies to America because America has become a “bloody” nation and they “love the shedding of innocent blood”. It is all about money, money, money)

      • Emmanuel

        I agree with you, abortion is legal. Abortions should be done correctly and performed by a professional to prevent damage to the mother and to humanely remove the child. I have to agree with you again, PP and those subcontractors need to face the music for their unethical, unprofessional and illegal actions. If PP was up front about it all with documentation and proper paper work, no issues. We all know and it’s out in the open. But, they didn’t and they so proudly paraded it around like it was a joke and a business opportunity. As for the videos, questionable but the fact remains that the chop shops were making money.

        It is so easy to talk about, against and for the left because of the fruit they produce.

        • Mark Bouckaert

          You’ve drunk the Kool-Aid. It has been proven over and over again, they are not making money from abortions but rather recovering costs associated with delivery. Learn the facts. Planned parenthood has been under attack by these people for quite some time now and it has never been found that anything wrong happened.

          • Amelia

            Correct. Planned Parenthood’s first priority is the well-being of the patient. StemExpress’s first priority is harvesting usable tissue for research. Any money exchanged is done not for profit, but to cover the costs of transport. The only people profiting are the those whose lives are saved by medical advancements through stem cell research. Maybe if we fully fund Planned Parenthood, and hadn’t set stem cell research back during the Bush administration, this wouldn’t be happening.

          • Czuchada

            So Amelia, you’re not a woman are you?

          • Amelia

            I’m transgender. Shall we stick to the subject?

          • AJ2

            You are a man. No matter how hard you try you cannot and will not change that. No matter how many body parts you pop,twist and cut.

          • AJ2

            You can tell it is a man playing dress up.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Perhaps if these “Christians” can one day realize that 97% of what Planned Parenthood does is not abortions and they have a real gem that works very hard for women’s health issues.

            Abortions will happen with or without Planned Parenthood…

          • Tux

            Shut up idiot – we don’t need you to parrot PP’s 3% abortion statistic here. Everyone knows it is bullshit. Please account for the other 97% of what they do with hard data.

          • Matthew T. Mason

            Pardon me, but you are missing the point.

            It doesn’t matter if it is 3%, 100%, or 0.1%. Vivisecting dead babies for the purpose of harvesting their body parts for profit is illegal.

            What part of that do you not understand?

          • Emmanuel

            You must have drank the whole pitcher. Recovering costs? that is funny. I know the fact: they dismembered, decapitated, pulled apart and tore apart a child for parts. A chop shop for parts to cover costs?

          • marg

            Keep drinking that kool aid sweetie. You can drown if you drink it long enough in dumbness.

          • ncgma

            Look at the math. Planned Parenthood’s 2012 annual report
            lists 327,166 abortions provided. Their price list quotes $390.00 as the lowest abortion amount that is offered – (the cost increases depending on how far along the pregnancy is). Even at $390 each, that is a staggering $127,594,740 in abortion revenue just in 2012. Profits from the human tissue procurement procedure is also very profitable – $100 per specimen, 50 specimens a day = $5,000 per day = $120,000 a month = $1,440,000 per year. Keep in mind that there is not generally any shipping charges, because employees from StemExpress, Novogenix and other places are already on site to collect and deliver the tissue.

          • Mark Bouckaert

            Are you seious? That’s not a lot of money in revenue for large organizations. Especially the shipping “revenue” which is an expense for stemexpress and planned parenthood doesn’t receive those funds.

            And the 127 million? That’s no where even close to the operating expenses for just a couple of clinics.

        • Amelia

          I appreciate your ability to not see only black and white in this matter. The world is full of imperfect solutions that affect the lives of babies and children, and we have no problem dismissing them because it’s happening in a third-world country.

          Indeed Planned Parenthood’s handling of the situation made everything worse, and may have damaged what credibility they had.

          • Emmanuel

            Anyone with an IQ of 80 or higher can see this for what it is, PP got arrogant and prideful and it just ruined them. If you can’t do it right, don’t do it at all. By the way, I like the education portion of the left but I can’t get with them about taxes. Little side note there. LOL Have a great weekend.

          • marg

            Imperfect solutions??? You are kidding me right? You consider abortion an imperfect solution??? Ever hear of this little thing called ADOPTION???? Good grief…….talk about stupidity.

      • jr61020

        Does the baby have the right to choose? And do not reply with that shit that it is the woman’s body when a little person is growing inside her. Did you see any of the video’s? But you question O’Keefe’s integrity. You are pathetic and if you agree with abortion than you are complicit. People like you make millions of us sick with your BS and excuses. Too bad your mother did not believe in abortion

        • Amelia

          Man, that’s quite a reaction. “Too bad my mother did not believe in abortion?” Take it down a notch. Abortion, while not a perfect solution to everyone’s problem, is legal and almost always appropriate.

          To be honest, abortion is actually a symptom of conservative values being imposed on everyone. Wanna cut down on abortions? Embrace birth control. Wanna break the cycle of teen pregnancy? Embrace better public education, accessible health care, and childcare services. Until you do, I doubt your sincerity.

          And yes, I’ve seen the videos, and I do question it’s authenticity. I’m not denying the practices described by the subjects, but James O’Keefe has a history of this sort of thing. All I see are poorly shot, heavily edited, second-hand accounts of mostly ex-employees. None of these atrocities are actually filmed, just talked about. When those people give an official deposition, or testify under oath, I’ll make my judgement.

          • marg

            Just when is it “appropriate”? You do realize that 90% of ALL abortions are done for the convenience of the mother? 3% is done for sex selection. Rarely if ever is it done to save the life of the mother, since that rarely if ever happens. Please……

        • MamaBear

          I oppose abortion. It is murder. The unborn is a human with a soul. This cutting up aborted babies is beyond barbarism. But let’s not stoop to their level and wish pro-abortionists had been aborted.

          • Basset_Hound

            I flagged the comment. Wishing harm or evil, even retroactively through abortion is a tactic unworthy of the pro life community.

      • marg

        PP would be doing this kind of crap even if StemExpress was not in the market for body parts. Have you ever actually studied HOW abortions are done??? It is barbaric so say the very least and they were doing them at PP LONG before StemExpress came along. Where is your liberal bleeding heart anyway that you have NO compassion for these babies?? Yeah right…..flushed down the toilet of “women’s right to chose”……

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          My skin crawls when I read about even the “mildest” form of abortion – vacuuming out a woman’s womb – scraping and vacuuming. It is incredibly barbaric – you hit the nail on the head. The womb was not designed for such horrific abuse.

  • The Last Trump

    Wow….just speechless.
    The liberal left are out of control, monstrous scourges on humanity.
    Enough to make a Naz! vomit. I wish I could ask for God’s mercy and forgiveness.
    But it’s well past time to get what we’ve got coming. Judgment.
    The blood of these children will be demanded of us. And rightly so.

    Cut through the face of a living newborn baby without the slightest hesitation!?
    Heartbreaking.

    • MMaximuSS1975

      Well the Nazis were Christian Fascists.

      • Angel Jabbins

        Christian and Fascist…two words that do not make sense together at all. What is a Christian? A follower of Christ. So to find out what a Christian is…don’t look at everyone who calls themselves Christian….LOOK AT CHRIST! What did He teach? In a nutshell: Love your enemies. Be merciful to others, especially your enemies. Forgive and you will be forgiven. Be kind…’do unto others has you would have them to unto you’. Seek to be and do good and to be holy as God in heaven is good and holy. Be humble, not proud and boastful, and respect others. Jesus lived a life of respect toward others…his family, the elders, His enemies. He taught us not to lie, to murder, to be greedy and steal from others,

        Now look at Hitler and his henchmen. Did they love their enemies? Were they humble or boastful? Were they merciful to the Jews and others they wanted to eliminate from society? Were they good?….Were they forgiving of those who offended them? Were they kind and respectful to all people? Of course not! Did they murder? Steal? Lie? Cheat? Yes! They were not followers of Christ. Had they been, millions of Jews would not have gone to the gas chambers.

        Anyone can be born into a system of religious beliefs. But, if they do not adopt those beliefs as their own and live their lives by them, then they are only nominal ‘believers’…saying they are one thing (when it suits their purposes) but living something completely different.
        We see it all the time. Real Christians are the ones who actually live their faith day to day, following what Jesus taught….walking the walk. Certainly even true Christians will not be completely Christ-like in every area of their lives because, at best, we are all still sinners, only saved by God’s grace. But, if we love Christ, we seek to obey what He taught. Those who murder, lie, cheat, steal, and hate do not know Christ and will one day face Him in judgment.

        • msueh

          Wonderful post, thank-you. †

        • RobUofIllinoisU/C

          Angel, very well said. And how hard it is to love your enemy and live the way Jesus said we should live. This is why the road to heaven is narrow and the road to hell wide. It is good to hear these words of encouragement these days as many who follow God’s laws feel alone, but you have given me hope, as each Christian i meet here and there in everyday life. We are to lift each other up as you have done here. Thank you.

  • bowie1

    I don’t suppose they at least administered general anesthetic before carrying out this horrendous murder?

    • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

      The entire dose of anesthetic was used for the abortionist’s conscience.

  • Dave_L

    I can think of several babies spared from abortion because of the efforts of one Christian man and woman. How many lives could we help spare if we all helped financially and in other ways, those who believe abortion is their only option?

    What if while condemning SSM as being sin, we lightened up on forcing others who are incapable of living holy lives apart from the New Birth? Sharing Christ’s love instead of trying to legislate morality? What if we began viewing SSM as a chance to expand the demand for adoption and thereby lessen abortion?

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      “Sharing Christ’s love instead of trying to legislate morality?”

      The law is a powerful teacher. Abortions skyrocketed after Roe and Doe. Almost all laws are a legislation of morality: the question is who’s – God’s or Satan’s. In the case of Roe and Doe, we know the answer.

      “What if we began viewing SSM as a chance to expand the demand for adoption and thereby lessen abortion?”

      Are you seriously suggesting that children of gay couples do as well emotionally and educationally as those of opposite sex couples?!? There are hundreds of thousands of opposite-sex couples begging to adopt right now. At my local crisis pregnancy center, a woman who chooses life can actually pick the adoptive parents out of a book – pictures and all! She can have an open, closed, or partially open adoption too.

      http://winteryknight .com/2015/01/16/what-do-the-adult-children-of-gay-couples-think-about-same-sex-marriage/#comments

      Excerpt from the Canadian study:

      “A new academic study based on the Canadian census suggests that a married mom and dad matter for children. Children of same-sex coupled households do not fare as well.

      There is a new and significant piece of evidence in the social science debate about gay parenting and the unique contributions that mothers and fathers make to their children’s flourishing. A study published last week in the journal Review of the Economics of the Household—analyzing data from a very large, population-based sample—reveals that the children of gay and lesbian couples are only about 65 percent as likely to have graduated from high school as the children of married, opposite-sex couples. And gender matters, too: girls are more apt to struggle than boys, with daughters of gay parents displaying dramatically low graduation rates.”

      http://winteryknight .com/2012/06/18/are-gay-relationships-typically-stable-and-monogamous/

      Excerpt:

      “For example, a recent 2012 study of same-sex couples in Great Britain finds that gay and lesbian cohabiting couples are more likely to separate than heterosexual couples.[3] A 2006 study of same sex marriages in Norway and Sweden found that “divorce risk levels are considerably higher in same-sex marriages”[4] such that Swedish lesbian couples are more than three times as likely to divorce as heterosexual couples, and Swedish gay couples are 1.35 times more likely to divorce (net of controls). Timothy Biblarz and Judith Stacey, two of the most outspoken advocates for same-sex marriage in the U.S. academy, acknowledge that there is more instability among lesbian parents.[5]”

      http://winteryknight .com/2015/02/10/new-study-children-of-same-sex-parents-have-twice-as-many-emotional-problems/#comment-119744

      Excerpt:

      ‘Writing in the British Journal of Education, Society & Behavioural Science, a peer-reviewed journal, American sociologist Paul Sullins concludes that children’s “Emotional problems [are] over twice as prevalent for children with same-sex parents than for children with opposite-sex parents”.

      He says confidently: “it is no longer accurate to claim that no study has found children in same-sex families to be disadvantaged relative to those in opposite-sex families.” ‘

      • Dave_L

        You say “Are you seriously suggesting that children of gay couples do as well emotionally and educationally as those of opposite sex couples?!?”

        So killing the babies is better???????

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          It is a false dichotomy, Dave L: in addition to kill the baby (which is NEVER an objectively moral decision) or adopt the child out to a gay “couple” (which is, as the studies I have linked to show, a very undesirable choice) we have two other options:

          1. Keep the child and lean on both crisis pregnancy centers and churches and family to help you through these difficult times.
          2. Adopt the child out to one of the hundreds of thousands of opposite-sex couples.

          The one place I DO agree with you on this point, however, is that we need to make adoption (opposite sex only) easier and less expensive. But, I believe that will happen naturally once abortion is made illegal. (And,of course, the Church considered abortion highly immoral from Day 1, or very close to it, even while surrounded by all sorts of abortion and infanticide.)

          Hope that helps – God bless!

          • Dave_L

            I don’t understand your reasoning. More families = a greater demand to adopt, especially by gays who cannot reproduce themselves. It is not optimum but it would make adoption more appealing. Especially if the adopting couple paid the way of the expectant mother. I can think of a lesbian widow who raised a family of at least 3. She is what I would consider a role model as far as mothers go. The kids are well off today by world standards.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I don’t understand your reasoning. ”

            It’s very simple:

            1. Save the lives of nearly 4000 innocent defenseless human being sin the womb each day by abolishing abortion.

            2. For the relatively small percentage of women who choose to adopt those children out, provide the best possible outcome for the child.

            The best possible outcome for the child is the family situation that maximizes family stability and educational opportunities for the child, while minimizing emotional trauma for the child. That is opposite-sex married couples – as I have proven above using peer-reviewed secular sources.

            You will notice that my solution places the serious developmental needs of the child ABOVE the selfish desires of adults. If we care one bit about the most vulnerable human beings in our society, this operational rule would need to be put into play. The reason that we have abortion in the first place is that big selfish adults can kill tiny vulnerable human beings – and get away with it.

            “More families = a greater demand to adopt”

            We already have around 2 million opposite sex couples looking to adopt, depending on how we look at the stats. Assuming the adoption out rate is as high as 10% (and that is doubtful based on the empirical evidence of our CPC, although it could change when abortion is outlawed), then this will support adoptions for about 20 million non-abortions, roughly 18 years’ worth of abortions.

            So, if we care about children, let’s go for the most optimal level of adoptions first, and place the child’s needs ahead of the selfish desires of single mothers / dads, and gay “couples.”

          • Dave_L

            Abolishing abortion doesn’t seem to be happening. What about dealing with actual options that exist now? If you were a magistrate and had a chance to place a baby with a gay couple instead of having the abortion carried out, what would you choose?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Abolishing abortion doesn’t seem to be happening. What about dealing with actual options that exist now?”

            “Abolishing slavery doesn’t seem to be happening. What about dealing with actual options that exist now?” — American in 1850’s

            “If you were a magistrate and had a chance to place a baby with a gay couple instead of having the abortion carried out, what would you choose?”

            I would choose placing the baby with one of the 2 million opposite sex couples begging for a baby, since that option already exists – today! Why are you still caught up in a false dichotomy, when I showed the erroneous thinking there?

          • Dave_L

            Meanwhile, lets wait and have possible millions slaughtered instead of placing them with gay families?

            BTW, should “Christian Sheriffs” arrest abortionists based on the theory of “Lesser Magistrate”?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Meanwhile, lets wait and have possible millions slaughtered instead of placing them with gay families?”

            False dichotomy – the third time you have played this, Dave. No abortion is happening because gay adoption is not legal. In fact, gay adoption IS legal! There are 2 million opposite-sex couples standing by for the next woman who chooses life instead of an abortion and puts her baby up for adoption. (Which less than 10% do, less that 1% at our CPC).

            I really do not know how to make this simpler for you, so let me try another way. Abortions are not occurring because gay couples cannot adopt – for 2 reasons:

            1. Gay couples CAN adopt, and
            2. There are 2 million opposite sex couples on standby for the next woman who does not go through with the abortion AND puts her baby up for adoption.

            So, the “let’s let gay couples adopt in order to reduce the number of abortions” is not a player in any sense of the word. It is as valid an argument as “let’s cook bar b q ribs today in order to reduce the number of abortions.”

          • Dave_L

            What are Christians doing to promote adoption instead of trying to dry up the market by outlawing gay marriage?

            Do you believe in the doctrine of “age of accountability”, where babies and children automatically go to Heaven at death? I would be interested in hearing your views on this.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “What are Christians doing to promote adoption instead of trying to dry up the market by outlawing gay marriage?”

            By “dry market,” do you mean 2 million opposite sex couples waiting to adopt?!? 🙂 Also, I thought you were against SSM? Are you now coming out in favor of it?

            “Do you believe in the doctrine of “age of accountability”, where babies and children automatically go to Heaven at death?”

            Absolutely! But, if by posing such a question, you are implying that we should not save babies from abortion because they are going to Heaven anyway, I must say that I hope that my 2 year old granddaughter is not drowning in a pool when you walk by. I can see you standing by smiling saying “Don’t save her – she is going to Heaven anyway!” Same thing if a nutjob walks into a church and starts gunning down an elementary age Sunday school class. “It’s better for them – they are off to Heaven!”

            I guess the question back to you is this: except for the 6 adults killed by Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook, are you “happy” for the 20 kids who were mowed down? Would you intercede to prevent a loved one under the age of accountability from being murdered, or would you stand by smiling contentedly that he or she was headed to Heaven?

            I respectfully suggest you do a deep soul-searching and re-thinking of your theology, and I say this with the utmost regard for you, having up-arrowed you numerous times.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Oh, and I did not answer the last question you gave. It is an interesting one for sure. As is the level of civil disobedience we should be showing in front of abortion mills. I will have to think about that.

            I just know that there are going to be a lot of pastors and “Christians” who are going to be shocked at the rebuke they get for remaining silent on abortion – that is all I know. I will have MANY rebukes, but that won’t be one of them – yet I can do SO much more.

            It is like remaining silent on the Jewish Holocaust or slavery, as so many Christian did there too.

          • Dave_L

            My anti-abortion/anti SSM posts on this board alone are numerous. But in taking the options God has provided it the real world, I would like to lessen the effects of abortion through SSM. You seem to think saving lives is wrong if it involves gays.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I would like to lessen the effects of abortion through SSM. You seem to think saving lives is wrong if it involves gays.”

            Not at all. I merely point out that 2 million opposite sex couples can adopt right now, and there is no need whatsoever for same sex adoption. Not for at least 18 more years and possibly much longer, given the adopt-out rate.

            And, I take VERY seriously the fact that same sex adoptions are highly sub-optimal to opposite sex ones, as shown by peer-reviewed secular studies. I place the serious developmental needs of the child over the selfish desires of adults – that’s what gave us abortion in the first place – and that includes the despicable use of children as trophy kids in many same sex adoptions.

            Given that we have no need for sub-optimal solutions – 2 million opposite sex couples waiting and all – I say let’s give these kids the best. Not one single abortion occurs because gays cannot adopt, much as you desire to ignore that fact for whatever strange reason, I do not know.

          • Dave_L

            Your claim doesn’t add up. More families unable to produce offspring of their own = more adoptions.

            Also, I asked this before; do you embrace the “age of accountability doctrine”? Meaning all infants and children automatically go to Heaven if they die?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Your claim doesn’t add up. More families unable to produce offspring of their own = more adoptions.”

            What part of “2 million opposite sex couples waiting to adopt” do you not understand?!? Do you truly not know the long waiting lists for adoptions?

            “Also, I asked this before; do you embrace the “age of accountability doctrine”? Meaning all infants and children automatically go to Heaven if they die?”

            Asked and answered. Here is a repeat performance:

            Absolutely! (on age of accountability) But, if by posing such a question, you are implying that we should not save babies from abortion because they are going to Heaven anyway, I must say that I hope that my 2 year old granddaughter is not drowning in a pool when you walk by. I can see you standing by smiling saying “Don’t save her – she is going to Heaven anyway!” Same thing if a nutjob walks into a church and starts gunning down an elementary age Sunday school class. “It’s better for them – they are off to Heaven!” Is that what Christ has taught you about “doing for the least”?!?

            I guess the question back to you is this: except for the 6 adults killed by Adam Lanza at Sandy Hook, are you “happy” for the 20 kids who were mowed down? Would you intercede to prevent a loved one under the age of accountability from being murdered, or would you stand by smiling contentedly that he or she was headed to Heaven?

            I respectfully suggest you do a deep soul-searching and re-thinking of your theology, and I say this with the utmost regard for you, having up-arrowed you numerous times.

          • Dave_L

            I would like to hear what you think about the doctrine called “age of accountability”. If you hold the view I think you do, it weighs heavily on our discussion and would help explain your resistance to common supply and demand issues. Let’s hear your views about the doctrine and it will help me frame some thoughts.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I do not know what else to say about it, besides I agree with it – I think, as an example, that Norm Geisler has done an excellent job of proper exegesis on infant salvation.

            I also do not believe that supply and demand economics applies to lives made in the Image of God that hold infinite value.

            I would love to hear your answer to the questions I posed above. Are you really going to stand aside when those under the age of accountability are gunned down?

          • Dave_L

            Thanks for answering this. I believe those who think children automatically go to Heaven when they die see abortion as being a better alternative than SSM adoption. Also since we know most adults perish, only relatively few are saved.

            I must state that I don’t believe this view since Paul tells us that infants who never consciously sin, suffer the wages of sin imputed to them through Adam. It is true however that there are degrees of punishment in Hell and any infants would not suffer as Hitler and others.

            I must trust God over guns and violence and know that not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from him. None of the examples in the New Testament of those who died as a result of persecution fought back. If a crazed killer were to approach and I could prevent the taking of lives in Christ’s name alone, I would intervene. But I would never become unequally yoked with an army or militia of unbelievers under any circumstances.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I believe those who think children automatically go to Heaven when they die see abortion as being a better alternative than SSM adoption.”

            Not me. And once more, you are presenting a false dichotomy that I have refuted at least 5 times. Not one single abortion in the world happens because gays cannot adopt – not one. I await proof otherwise and in light of the 2 million opposite sex couples waiting for the next woman who chooses life for her child.

            “It is true however that there are degrees of punishment in Hell and any infants would not suffer as Hitler and others.”

            So, you believe that God sends aborted babies to Hell? I believe that we serve different Gods. Since you believe this, I must assume that you spend your entire days on the sidewalks in front of abortion mills begging the women who go in there to spare the lives AND souls of their babies. And you MUST be 100% in favor of outlawing abortion, since it is not only the babies lives, but their souls that are lost. Your time on this site is wasted, while babies souls are being sent to Hell, on your view.

            “If a crazed killer were to approach and I could prevent the taking of lives in Christ’s name alone, I would intervene.”

            It would be unloving to stand by and watch as innocents die or are raped. It would be a gross violation of Jesus’s Second Commandment.

          • Dave_L

            You do not understand sin and death. Why do babies die of natural causes if not for sin? Why would God have them die because of sin but admit them to Heaven apart from Christ?
            Your theory would make since if no child ever died before the illusive “age of accountability”.

            Also, as I explained, and I’ll re-post the following;

            You seem to think God is a spectator in the issues of our life on earth. Even our tears and wanderings are appointed.“Thou tellest my wanderings: Put thou my tears into thy bottle: Are they not in thy book?” (Psalm 56:8)

            We all die at our appointed time and in our appointed manner. I would rather die in obedience to Christ not returning violence than to disobey him.

            Not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from God. Also the hairs of our heads are all numbered.

            Job says;

            “Man that is born of a woman Is of few days, and full of trouble.” (Job 14:1) “Seeing his days are determined, The number of his months are with thee, Thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;” (Job 14:5)

            Let’s trust Christ “In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:” (Ephesians 1:11)

            “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” (Romans 8:28)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “You do not understand sin and death.”

            And apparently neither do most theologians who readily accept the age of accountability! I see sin and death every time I stand on the sidewalk in front of the abortion mill. How about you? Is it OK to stand by when those 4000 babies each day are off to Hell? And the twenty 5 and 6 year olds who were gunned down at Sandy Hook?

            That’s quite a “god” you serve that has a baby dismembered in the womb and then sends her off to Hell for an eternity. This particular baby had his face cut open while his heart was still beating – then it’s off to Hell for him, on your view!

            Perhaps I am going to Hell – but at least I will be surrounded by millions of babies. 🙂

            Here are a few sources on age of accountability – short ones (just take the spaces out):

            https://www .apologeticspress .org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1202

            Excerpt:

            “Jesus, Himself, demonstrated the spiritually safe condition of children when He stated: “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 18:3). Adults must become like children if they wish to be saved! Children hardly can be spiritually depraved! Christ followed up this declaration with a comparable observation: “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 19:14).”

            http://www .gty .org/resources/articles/A264/the-age-of-accountability

            http://www .kingjamesbibleonline .org/Bible-Verses-About-Age-Of-Accountability/

            Deuteronomy 1:39 – Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

            James 4:17 – Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

            Matthew 19:14 – But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

            Isaiah 7:16 – For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

            Proverbs 20:11 – Even a child is known by his doings, whether his work [be] pure, and whether [it be] right.

            Ezekiel 18:20 – The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

            Matthew 18:3 – And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

            Romans 3:23 – For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

            Psalms 58:3 – The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

            Romans 14:12 – So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

            1 Corinthians 7:14 – For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

            2 Samuel 12:23 – But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

          • Dave_L

            “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:5–6)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.” — Ezekiel 18:20

            So, I have you beat 13-1 on Bible verses. 🙂

          • Dave_L

            So where is the righteousness of the child?

            “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.” (Psalm 51:5)

            “The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies. Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: They are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;” (Psalm 58:3–4)

            “The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.” (Psalm 14:2–3)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Deuteronomy 1:39 – Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

            James 4:17 – Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

            Matthew 19:14 – But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

            Isaiah 7:16 – For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

            Ezekiel 18:20 – The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

            Matthew 18:3 – And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

            1 Corinthians 7:14 – For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

            2 Samuel 12:23 – But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

          • Martina Decker

            ‘Begging for a baby.’ Why aren’t they begging for a ‘child?’ Of which there are many who want nothing more than to belong to a loving family. Of course, many of these children are older and bring along some baggage, but one who wishes to parent should be able to rise to the occasion and do so.

            It seems at least possible that a number of people ‘waiting’ are waiting as long as they do because they want a blank slate and no difficulties beyond the normal adjustments of having a newborn. So, what would happen if later on it turns out this blank slate was not quite so perfect after all? Autism, serious injuries or illnesses? Those were not the situations these people had been ‘waiting’ for.

            To be sure, I’m not particularly in favor of SS adoption. I have observed, however, that some SS couples do adopt
            children that OS couples have rejected out of hand. Because, of course, they’re waiting for a baby, the more perfect, the better. I do think that many OS couples would be willing to adopt a child with health problems, but only as long, again, as they’re newborns.

            The truth of the matter is that we could agitate to make adoption easier andless expensive and practically obliterate the foster care situation if we put our minds, hearts, and voices into it.

            I am an adoptive mother. We adopted our son and daughter out of foster care when they were two and three. They came from a very abusive home, and my daughter had somehow learned at such an early age to protect her baby brother as much as she possibly could. She bore the brunt of most of the abuse, and
            it wasn’t long after they started living with us that we realized
            counseling would be necessary, as she had a tendency to self-abuse. She would scratch into her skin deeply. I would wake up many nights hearing a thumping sound, only to find her in her room rocking back and forth, hitting her head against the wall. So, who wants to deal with that, right?

            Well, we did, and today you’d never imagine how horrible
            her origins were. She’s a happily married mother of two of our precious grandchildren. A wonderful mother herself, and just an absolute joy of my heart. I am so glad we did the hard work it took to salvage that child. And I’ll tell you, if we can do it, then I KNOW many other people can persevere, as well. It’s hard to imagine what we would have missed out on with our children if we’d been ‘waiting’ only for a newborn. It’s hard to imagine that if we hadn’t stepped up, my daughter might have never gotten the help she needed to heal and have the loving family she was, as we all are, entitled to.

            I don’t mean for this missive to be accusatory to you. I just wish more people would at the very least consider changing the lives of children who for whatever reason have gotten a raw deal, and who need some help. Sometimes you just have to face the reality that you don’t always get what you want or that you can’t always have things your way. Maybe the Lord is trying to lead you in a different direction – one that’s for His glory. Now, that I certainly cannot and would not presume to decide or know for anyone else. As I said, perhaps just consider, do a little investigating, get some information. It could be the fulfillment you were seeking all along.

          • Blaylock

            same sex couples can adopt too and have been for years…good luck with stopping the adoptions and all…LOL!

  • Heidi K.

    I’m at a loss for words.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      I’m at a loss for lunch – in the sense that I lost my lunch reading this. And there are STILL people defending PP and their partners – unreal!

      • LadyGreenEyes

        Some of the comments I have seen are so sick, I almost couldn’t believe I’d read them. Some truly evil people defend this stuff.

        If ever one needed good evidence of ties to ancient pagan “gods” (demons), I think they have it now!

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Yes, we are seeing some real hardening of the hearts on this. But, some people are being moved by it – and that is surely God working in the hearts of many through CMP’s fantastic work.

          It does make me wonder though: at what point has a person hardened his or her heart beyond the possibility of redemption? I guess that only God knows when or if that occurs, like with Pharaoh, but you are right that things are getting remarkably demonic and the battle lines are becoming crystal clear.

          • LadyGreenEyes

            At this point, some are so far gone, I think they’d welcome open fire pits, as in the days of old, if it didn’t cut into their profits. Hard hearts, indeed! And,, yes, God knows when someone is too far gone.

            Some though, are reached by this, and that makes a lot of difference! How much, at this stage, can be done, I don’t know, but every life saved, and every soul changed, is good!

  • Brenda Golden

    And these people are not in prison for premeditated murder why? Just because some woman wants to be the town door nob why does she have the right to murder someone else? For those who think abortion is so good have it done to you, be crushed, torn to pieces, have your face cut into and your brain yanked out. If people are too stupid to make good choices for themselves why are they allowed to make life and death decisions for another human being. If you don’t want to get pregnant don’t do the things that get you pregnant. Take a little personal responsibility for your own behavior instead of making your behavior a death sentence for someone else.

    • RobUofIllinoisU/C

      Well said Brenda.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        OSKEE-WOW-WOW, Rob!

        ’82 BSGE

        • RobUofIllinoisU/C

          Old Princeton yells her tiger
          Wisconsin her varsity
          And they give the same old Rah! Rah! Rah!
          At each university
          But the yell that always thrills me,
          And fills my heart with joy,
          Is the good old Oskee-wow-wow
          That they yell at Illinois
          Chorus
          Oskee-wow-wow, Illinois
          Our eyes are all on you
          Oskee-wow-wow, Illinois
          Wave your Orange and your Blue, Rah! Rah!
          When your team trots out before you
          Ev’ry man stand up and yell
          Back the team to gain a victory
          Oskee-wow-wow, Illinois

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, thank you for those great memories – back when Chief was still Chief! Are you going to share your year and degree, or will that blow your cover?

          • RobUofIllinoisU/C

            World, my wife and daughter attended, i went to Columbia College Chicago, BA Film/Video “83”. My wife suggested the name. But i have been down there 100’s of times as if i was attending. My daughter just graduated in May & still looking for a job in Advertising/PR and having a tough time. Even her friends with Engineering degrees are having a hard time. My wife worked for Grainger for 20 years and David Grainger has given $$$$ to the school. New Engineering bldgs & library in his name. Kam’s still going strong & they are going to close down Green St to cars and make it pedestrian friendly. My wife & i rode are bikes 25 miles all over the entire campus last fall and its constantly changing. Lots of incubator labs in conjunction with UIUC/Corporations. Abbott Labs, CAT, Yahoo, etc. Too bad i cant post photos here.

  • MMaximuSS1975

    The Native Americans might beg to differ.

  • Donna Szelowski

    It’s a human being for crying out loud .Show some respect for human life .Millions cried over a Cecil .

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Amen!

      But, in the case of Cecil, lots of zebras were quite happy. #ZebraLivesMatter. 🙂

  • Howard

    Mr. Franks,

    You asked “For God’s sake, is this who we truly are?”

    Tragically, the answer is ‘Yes’.

    Rest assured, this nation will suffer the wrath of Almighy God.

    For those who still defend the practice of killing babies, I have one word: Repent.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    Surely all reasonable men and women can come together and show both compassion for human beings and a respect for settled science. The argument against abortion is a moral and scientific one:

    1. Human beings have intrinsic moral value and fundamental rights. (basic and positive morality).

    2. Assigning rights arbitrarily amongst human beings has proven catastrophic. (history of the world).

    3. What is located in the womb, post conception, is a human being. (settled science).

    4. Therefore, abortion kills a human being with intrinsic moral value and fundamental rights – one who is guilty of no crime.

    The only difference between a human in the womb and one outside of it is size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependency. And each one of those factors, if used to argue for abortion, could be also used as a reason for killing a child OUTSIDE of the womb. In abortion clinics all across America today, nearly 4000 human beings
    with intrinsic moral value – guilty of no crime but their mere existence – are being led to their deaths, and gruesome ones at that. Can’t we all come together and bring our laws up to date with 21st century science and basic human compassion by passing a Life at Conception Act and ending forever this brutal crime against humanity – and the resulting and reprehensible trafficking in baby parts that derives its profit from it?

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    With the most recent undercover videos on Planned Parenthood and StemExpress, abortion clinic workers – abortionists, nurses, office personnel, and clinic escorts – may
    become more interested in leaving the industry. Those who are associated with abortion clinics need to know that there is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity, and illegal activities that occur within abortion clinics or their property might result in prison time for those onsite, including volunteers. Clinic workers should be aware that undercover investigators, private and governmental, are infiltrating abortion clinics, whether as potential clients or workers or journalists, and that those workers who provide evidence that leads to criminal convictions are generally treated more kindly and, in some cases, even paid for the evidence that they provide, thus also avoiding prison time. The key thing to remember is this: those who provide this information first are the ones who are treated the best. If you are considering leaving the abortion industry, please see: http://www .clinicworker .com/ and http://abortionworker .com/

  • Carol Cate

    This is such bullsh*** but all you “good and true” Christians will believe it as the gospel truth! I don’t believe many of today’s so call Christians would recognize our Savior is they met him!

    • Matthew T. Mason

      What part of it is BS, Carol?

  • AJ2

    I cannot believe what I just read. This is evil on every level. Abortions are abominations. A female that gets an abortion is sick and disgusting in my eyes. God rest that child’s soul. This story made me want to cry. How can someone kill an innocent baby?!! This is murder.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      You should see how hardened the hearts are of the abortionist and deathscorts. They make no mistake of LOVING abortion – partly for the money and partly because, let’s face it, you have to be demon-controlled to love abortion.

      A lot of the women are brainwashed and scared and being bullied into their abortions – lots of abuse. I am NOT excusing it, but many of these women realize, too late, what they have done and try to commit suicide, days, weeks, months, years, and sometimes decades after the fact. No excuses are in order for the abortionist and his “staff” of evil doers.

      • AJ2

        I agree there is no excuse and some are bullied into. I just cannot believe that someone is that evil to cut a child’s face.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Oh yeah – those are the Dr. Mengele’s of the world. The woman that leaked this was forced to do so or lose her job. She has since left the “field” and repented of her sins – that is my understanding. (I could be wrong on the latter part.)

  • LadyGreenEyes

    How anyone can excuse such monstrous actions, I cannot comprehend. Utterly evil. An accounting is coming, though, and it can’t come soon enough!

  • RobUofIllinoisU/C

    God Bless you Mr Franks! The Lord sees the anguish in your soul and will reward you for standing up for these poor, innocent, helpless babies who never had a voice or chance. If this testimony didn’t make those in the hearing weep, then they have already lost their soul.

  • dndgaddy

    So none of those men and women in congress will stand innocent before a HOLY GOD over the herendous murderers of the unborn babies!

  • http://www.opensuse.org/en/ Daniel van der Merwede

    How could anyone fund such a thing is beyond belief – how someone could actual perform such an act – beyond human 😮