Texas Grand Jury Indicts Man Who Recorded Planned Parenthood Baby Body Parts Videos

Daleiden-compressedAUSTIN, Texas (Associated Press) A Houston grand jury investigating undercover footage of Planned Parenthood found no wrongdoing Monday by the abortion provider and instead indicted anti-abortion activists involved in making the videos that provoked outrage among Republican leaders nationwide.

David Daleiden, founder of the Center for Medical Progress, was indicted on a felony charge of tampering with a governmental record and a misdemeanor count related to purchasing human organs. Another activist, Sandra Merritt, was also indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record. It’s the first time anyone in the group has been charged criminally since the videos started surfacing last year.

In a statement announcing the indictment, Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson didn’t provide details on the charges, including what record or records were allegedly tampered with and why Daleiden faces a charge related to buying human organs. Anderson’s office said it could not provide details until the documents charging Daleiden and Merritt were formally made public, which was expected later Monday.

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  • Helen Wallace

    Christians need to stop falling for lies and hoaxes, the truth of Christ is self evident without “lying for a good purpose”

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    “Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.
    Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
    and clever in their own sight.
    Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
    and champions at mixing drinks,
    who acquit the guilty for a bribe
    but deny justice to the innocent.” — Isaiah 5:20-23

    • Valri

      What a shame – you were calling for the heads of Planned Parenthood and instead it’s the video makers who are in trouble. Tsk, tsk. Most people admit when they made a mistake Crazy, can you do that?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Haha – don’t have another meltdown today, Val – one is enough. 🙂 If you think that grand juries and human courts determine objective moral justice, then, oh, what a fantastic slaver and Jew gasser you would have made when those were 100% legal by human courts!

        This indictment will not save you, Val. You will still be cast in the Lake of Fire, lest you repent. There is still time for you to do so.

        “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.” — CS Lewis

        • afchief

          This women has been given over to a reprobate mind. There is NO truth in her.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She is a real sicko, Chief. She is like the Glenn Close stalker in Fatal Attraction, except that no one would ever be foolish enough to have sex with Val. 🙂

          • Valri

            I have never seen someone here so desperate for the assistance of other people to come to his aid when getting his butt handed to him. Wonder why. Your brown nosing seems to have worked wonders on LAN, you trying it out here?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Poor, Val – got her true colors shown.

          • Valri

            Nope, you did. You were exposed as a liar, gossip, tattletale and coward.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Poor Val – living in her own delusional world, desperately seeking attention and lacking all self-awareness. Has Gizmo upvoted you yet? I ordered him to do so.

          • Valri

            You say “reprobate mind” about as often as crazy says “Jew gassing” and “ice cream”. You both need better material or new writers.

        • Valri

          Crazy, am I the one who ran crying to my girly gossip friends on another board to call in the cavalry when things got to be too much? No, bless my soul, I believe that was you. Deal with your own meltdown before you start imagining other people’s. And have fun in your lake of fire. In your heart you want to send more people there than you would care to admit, which makes it really ideal for you.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            What, you didn’t tell everyone about how you got spanked like the little toddler you are by pro-lifers here and on LAN, and then when you couldn’t handle it, you deleted / flagged your own posts?!?

          • Valri

            Spanked? I guess I didn’t notice, Crazy, I spend practically no time on LAN at all, and your desperate attempts to get all your friends there to pay attention to me and beat me up on your behalf when you are too cowardly to address me directly has become the stuff of legend now.

            “Flagged my own posts”. Keeping up with your barking mad paranoia is a full time job I don’t have time for. You must have overdone huffing the model airplane glue as a kid.

          • StanW

            No one forced you to run back over to LAN, Valri. You did that all on your own, based upon a post by WGC.

          • Valri

            Yes, you are probably right, I will look at all future posts on LAN made by Crazy as pleas for help when he cannot fight his own battles, and ignore them accordingly from now on.

          • StanW

            No you won’t. You will rush back into the fray in your typical pathetic attempt to garner attention.

          • Valri

            Oh, OK then Stan, since you obviously know me so much better than I do…

            Is there ANYTHING you are not an expert on?

          • StanW

            Oh, many things. In fact, I have never claimed to be an expert on ANYTHING,.

            Are you attempting to make a point here, Valri?

          • gizmo23

            LAN looks like a good place to stir up trouble

          • StanW

            Come on in, Giz. We’ll have a lot of fun… most of it at YOUR expense!

          • gizmo23

            Nothing anybody writes about me bothers me. This is just fun and games most of the time

          • StanW

            That’s good, because I doubt anyone would take you serious… ever!

          • Valri

            I take Gizmo seriously and usually agree with his points. Again, Stan, you need to stop speaking on behalf of people you don’t know.

          • StanW

            What ever you say, Fundie!

          • Valri

            You’re not at home on LAN anymore, Stanner. You’re in a place where I am known very well as the furthest thing from being a fundie. Do you want to leave your idiotic comment there for everyone to see, really?

          • StanW

            Oh, you are a fundamentalist, you abhor and despise any opinion that does not agree with your own. That is exactly what got you run out of LAN and why you say you won’t go back!

          • Valri

            No, Sparky. I make allowances for abortion (you don’t) and I am perfectly OK with homosexuals (you aren’t) and with same-sex marriage (you aren’t) and with transgendered people (you aren’t). You make NO allowances for any of those things…you are the fundamentalist. In big, ugly, intolerant spades.

          • StanW

            Speaking of mind reading, there you go LYING about what I think and feel. Not that you being a fundamentalist is anything new to ANYONE that has ever had the displeasure of speaking with you.

            Tell you what little fundie, you have the last word here and then dance for me like the pathetic little monkey that you are. I’ll be over at LAN if you want a response.

            You know the way!

          • Valri

            Bye forever Stan. Go be someone else’s nuisance.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Stan, she just said “bye forever” to you. Translated, that means she will only reply 142 times to your next reply and stalk you to the four corners of the earth. 🙂 I know, I speak from experience on this.

          • Valri

            Out your butt, as with everything else.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Val, Stan is holding onto your Participation Trophy over at LAN, OK? You can pick it up with the other needy women anytime.

          • Valri

            Look, everyone. WorldGoneCrazy is having a Valri-bashing party over at Live Action News and you’re all invited. He can’t advertise the fact strongly enough and is mortally offended that I don’t care. Have fun and be sure to tell WorldGoneCrazy how impressed you are that he has a gossip girl lynch mob working for him.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Val, don’t have another meltdown here. You DO realize that no one actually believes anything you say, don’t you?

          • Valri

            Speaking on behalf of others again – your favorite pastime.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Did you say something? 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Lynch mob? Val, that is for you KKK’ers and stalkers. How is Margaret Sanger doing – did you have a seance with her today?

          • Valri

            Who is Margaret Sanger and why should I care?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Hahaha! Val flunked history. She is your patron “saint.” Are you getting the attention you deserve today, Val? have your parents unlocked the basement for you yet?

          • Valri

            Maybe because I don’t care about abortion nearly as much as I care about fundamentalist bigots who are trying to create a fundamentalist Christian theocracy and hate on women, gay people, and other minorities. You know, your group.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Says the pro-abort.

          • Valri

            Taunt, taunt, taunt, little girl.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Says the radical pro-abort.

          • Valri

            A radically stupid thing to say, Crazy, since I’m by no means a pro abort, never mind a radical one. Taunt, taunt, taunt, little girl.

          • StanW

            You are a fundamentalist pro-abortion nutcase.

            And a cute little dancing monkey too!

          • Valri

            fundie troll

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Says the radical pro-abort stalker applying to be a deathscort.

          • Valri

            Is this a contest to see how much more insane you can make one sentence?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha, no, but I love it! it’s a contest to see how much more accurate I can get.

            I am actually going to up-vote you, Val! That is how much I love you, and Jesus loves you too.

          • Valri

            Accurate you say? No, I will say you are a first class troll. I am not a pro-abort (in fact no one is, but my feelings on it are closer to yours than you would care to believe), I am NOT radical about abortion, in fact I am quite centrist, and I have no idea what a “Deathscort” is because it is a word you made up, and even if I knew what it was I would have no interest in “applying” to be one. But because you love so much to go “nyaah nyaah nyaah”, I’m certain you will do as you always do and say it over and over and over even though it inaccurate and senseless.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I am not a pro-abort”

            Your words say “no,” but your DISQUS feed says “yes.” 🙂

            “I have no idea what a “Deathscort” is”

            Call up your local abortion mill and ask them. Some get paid pretty well – $50 a baby head.

            And, here I up-voted you and thought it would make you feel better. But, it just made you MORE unhinged. You are the kind of woman a man would bring a dozen red roses to, and you would throw them back into his face and say “Why isn’t it TWO dozen?!?” This may be why you are alone.

          • Valri

            My words say no, and my Disqus feed also says no. Facts have never really been known to get in your way though, have they, Crazy? You want someone to be a “pro abort”, even if like myself they are anything but, you just dance around chanting “pro abort, pro abort, pro abort” clapping your hands and grinning and adjusting the special helmet you wear to keep from hurting yourself, and you think it will magically become so.

            I don’t have a local abortion mill, sorry. Maybe they exist on your planet, but not on mine.

            Worry about your own hinges, buddy. For some strange reason, the actions of so many people whose lives don’t affect yours in any way seem to really send you into a hate frenzy.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            If it walks like a pro-abort and quacks like a pro-abort, it’s a pro-abort, no matter what you call yourself, Val.

            But, we still love you on LAN.

          • Valri

            As one of your fans rather frustratedly puts it:

            “For the umpteenth time; NO-ONE is pro-abort! We’re pro-choice, which
            includes the right to choose to STAY pregnant, even when not married.”
            And that’s the thing about you Crazy, you never seem to learn your lesson. Parroting hateful phrases like “pro abort” don’t magically turn people into them, no matter how much you stamp your little feet.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are NOT pro-choice – certainly not for babies in the womb: I am pro-choice. I am pro-choice about cars and chocolate and the schools I send my kids to. You are anti-choice about rape and murder. Aren’t you?!?

          • Valri

            They aren’t babies when they’re in the womb. This is the part you aren’t even willing to disagree with others about. And you are about the least compassionate human being I have EVER seen on the subject, because every woman faced with an agonizing decision is reduced to a woman you have to slut-shame and taunt about wanting to fit into a prom dress. You treat every situation as exactly the same and in the real world as we know it, every situation is NOT exactly the same. And being a rigid, unfeeling, unreasonable jerk isn’t the solution to winning people over to your side.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “They aren’t babies when they’re in the womb. ”

            “If you can either call or email these guys to let them know that “they’re so obsessed with fetuses to the point of calling them babies”, I’ll consider becoming a pro abort like you:

            http://www .nlm .nih .gov/medline…

            http://www .mayoclinic .org/heal…

            http://www .babycenter .com/preg…

            http://www .parents .com/pregnan…

            http://www .webmd .com/baby/ss/s…

            http://americanpregnancy .org/w…

            et al, to let them know that if they don’t stop referring to a fetus as an “imaginary” baby, they’ll be seriously making you look silly.

            *Be sure to contact all the obgyn’s who do the same. I know my OB always referred to my babies when they were in the womb, as babies. Please let all these doctors know that they are “obsessed with fetuses to the point of calling them babies”.” — PJ4

            Calling abortion “evil” is not slut-shaming, Val. Not anymore than calling slavery “evil” was “plantation owner shaming.” 🙂

            I am no more rigid on abortion than William Wilberforce or Frederick Douglass was on slavery and the slave trade. All 3 are human rights abuses.

          • afchief

            Why are you here? This is a Christian site. Your godless liberal opinions are not welcome.

          • Valri

            You’re the furthest thing from a Christian I have ever seen. Everything about you is hate. Christ was about love.

          • afchief

            Hate? Then you are calling Christ hate? Because what I say is from His Word.

            Again, why are you here?

          • Valri

            No, I am not calling Christ hate. I am calling your attitude hate. There is nothing Christ-like about you at all. You attack people here and call them reprobates and liberals, you hate on homosexuals and transgenders (remember how Jesus ate with prostitutes and lepers)? And you scream at people and call them liars when they disagree with you.

            So the question is, why are YOU here?

          • afchief

            When you call homosexuality normal or acceptable you have a reprobate mind. And yes you are a liar!!!! What part of God’s Word do you not understand?!?!?

            Romans 1:18-28 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

            24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved (reprobate) mind, to do those things which are not proper,

          • Valri

            I’m listening to scientists and the mental health experts on the subject and not some 2000 year old book.

            You might elect to believe that nonsense is God’s word, I however have the right to reject it for the offensive crap that it is.

          • afchief

            As I have said YOU have a reprobate mind and are a liar. You serve the father of lies…………satan.

            It is quite obvious!!

          • Valri

            No, I’m just not a fundamentalist idiot.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            Heads-up chief: That ID was just over on Charisma News, around an hour ago, trying to spread a similar homosexual narrative.

            I do find it suspicious in seeing so many user IDs “jump around” from Christian board to Christian board, spreading to same talking points…

          • afchief

            I know! I do not take this person seriously. It is quite obvious she is on Christian websites spreading her lies.

            She is a servant of satan.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            If you ask me, if would go much better for these websites if the moderators would be more diligent in booting these accounts. They cause strife on almost every one of these types of threads.

          • afchief

            They are here to disrupt. Some are paid trolls. I never take them seriously. The best thing we can do is just ignore them.

          • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

            Indeed, chief. My DISQUS inbox was lit up this morning (9+ replies) with mostly trolling responses on Dr. Brown’s latest article on Charisma. All ignored.

            It’s par for the course. Marijuana articles attract the pro-pot activists; Homosexuality articles attract the homosexual activists; etc.

          • afchief

            As you can see the mods deleted her posts. This woman (or man) goes to Christian websites to spread lies and disrupt. There are quite a few of them doing the same thing.

          • EscapetheDarkness

            @ Adam in Christ

            Adam in Christ said: “Heads-up chief: That ID was just over on Charisma News, around an hour ago, trying to spread a similar homosexual narrative.

            I do find it suspicious in seeing so many user IDs ‘jump around’ from
            Christian board to Christian board, spreading to same talking points…”

            Paid special interest posters are a very real thing. The Communist Party of China uses them, activist groups like the Human Rights Campaign use them, and so on. This type of job is a logical, natural product of adapting to the Internet as a regular part of life, business-wise.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She likes being called a monkey:

            https://www .youtube .com/watch?v=SESI19h4wDo

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I just gave Val her first ever up-vote and she went into a tizzy and threw the roses back into my face! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Says the radical pro-abort stalker.

          • Valri

            Taunt, taunt, taunt, little girl.

          • The Last Trump

            Oooh! Oooh!
            I’ll be right over!
            This is just like fstdt dot com!
            How ironic… 😉

          • Valri

            Isn’t that fun, Trumpy? You can go over there and make some actual FRIENDS for the first time in your life!

          • StanW

            My feelings are so hurt, how will I be able to get through my day??????

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            But, the good news is that she is never actually going to go away like she promised. By “forever,” Val means “never.” 🙂

          • afchief

            She has been given over to a reprobate mind. There is NO truth in her.

          • The Last Trump

            She’s known all right Stan.
            A real riot around here!
            Just check out some of her posts. Fundie to the extreme!
            Just ask her to clarify her position on abortion. Whoooo Nelly!
            And her devotion to hate sites of intolerance is simply second to none!
            A regular kool-aid drinker over at Fascists Standing Together Desiring Totalitarianism. Check it out! 🙂

          • Valri

            My position on abortion, clarified:
            It depends on the circumstance.
            Sorry that’s so hard for you to follow, Trumpy! Don’t ever change! And smile for the camera, your fans are watching!

          • Chrissy Vee

            I saw this post and knew who you were referring to without even looking. 😛

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I agree with gizmo almost every time.

          • afchief

            What is LAN?

          • Valri

            Don’t waste your time, Stan and Crazy have the place sewn up with their little sycophant buddies. They will gang up on you and the result will be pathetic but they will enjoy their herd mentality way too much.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You need to give Val a Participation Trophy, Gizmo: she desperately craves attention. Please start up-voting her, OK? That would be one anyway. 🙂

          • StanW

            She gets LOTS of upvotes from her various sock-puppets.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            The weird thing is that even her multiple personalities almost never up-vote her. Even THEY know she needs to be put back into the cage. In fact, the reason her up-vote to comment ratio is as high as 0.0001% is because she has deleted so many of her zero up-vote comments!

          • Valri

            Yes. The point is I said I’m going to stay away from LAN permanently now, which is what I am going to do, so don’t sit there smugly telling me that you know better than I do. Accept that you are often wrong.

          • StanW

            I do not, as a rule, save people’s posts. But I am going to screen-shot this one and post it for you the next time you post on LAN.

            And that would include you posting as Valri, or one of your many other artificial personalities.

          • Valri

            Couldn’t care less. Do it. If anyone’s on there using another name you suspect of being me, it won’t be…not that it ever has been.

          • StanW

            See you over at LAN, Valri!

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

          • Valri

            When hell freezes over, Stanner. Bye. Enjoy your little games.

          • StanW

            We’ll be waiting, Val!

          • Valri

            Yeah, I can already imagine the field day you will have when a new person shows up and makes the mistake of arguing with you and you go VALIUM VALIUM VALIUM like you always do.

          • StanW

            Actually, I don’t recall ever calling you Valium. That is PJ and WCG.

            I tend to call you Fundie or little Pro-Abort. Sometimes I call you my little dancing monkey.

          • Valri

            That’s cute. I don’t call you anything. I don’t give you a second thought, in fact. You are just one of Crazy’s attack poodles.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha! Did Val get the attention she so desperately craves over here, Stan? (Even if she gets no up-votes. :-)) Did you give her a Participation Trophy yet?

          • StanW

            Nope, if she wants her reward, she’ll have to come to LAN to get it!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She is already typing. 🙂 Can you believe the things that are being said behind her back on LAN right now?!? Vicious! 🙂

          • StanW

            Oh yes, people are telling some HORRIBLE truths about her right now!

            Really, they ARE!!!!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            But, despite the fact that people tell the truth about Val here and there, I just KNOW she won’t flag these comments, and her own, to get the spanking you meted out to her deleted. It’s just not gonna happen. Stan, where did you go?!? 🙂

          • Valri

            And the CNN faithful see you playing the game you are no renowned for over at LAN…having a little gossip party when the person who hurt your little fee fees is sitting right here while you cowardly talk around them. Stay classy, Crazy.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Val, we LOVE you here and at LAN! Don’t pout. You can tell how much we love you by all of your up-votes. BTW, I ordered Gizmo to start upvoting you to make you feel better, OK?

          • Valri

            Sure Crazy. Rope as many people in to your game playing as you like. I’m sure Gizmo knows enough about you to know what you’re about. Tell the one about The SPL Center being a terrorist organization again! Tell the one about how atheists have a creed that involves hating God! And how to atheists, Jew gassing and keeping slaves are merely flavors of ice cream!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Diversion will not save you, Val. 🙂 Has Gizmo upvoted you yet? Come back over to LAN, Val – your arguments are so “intellectual.”

          • Valri

            Why the sudden fascination with Gizmo? You need more people to do your bidding?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No, we want an up-vote for you and Gizmo is the man!

          • Valri

            If you’re so self-amused by your own postings over on LAN and want so desperately for everyone to follow you there like the Pied Piper, why are you posting masturbatory self-congratulatory tripe here?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Val, please do not talk about YOUR sex life on CNN. As PJ4 has put it, “radical feminism was invented so that ugly chicks could feel better about themselves.” You can stalk me at LAN too, not just here on CNN.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, you don’t have to spend much time on LAN to get spanked, Val – hahaha! Oh, so now you are claiming you didn’t delete your posts and flag when it got too hot in the kitchen for you after your incessant stalking? 🙂

          • Valri

            LAN is your cesspool, Crazy. Not mine. I’m not interested, so stop begging me to go over there and stop begging your friends to beat me up.

            Yes, I am claiming that I do not have the power to delete 50 messages from Christian News Network including your posts, my posts, and everyone else’s. Do you not notice that the little telltale “message deleted” message isn’t there? What does that suggest to your fevered brain? That maybe the admins did a mass deletion all by themselves, with no “flagging” required?

            And if it’s “stalking” you’re concerned with, maybe don’t play your girly-gossip game bringing up the names of people who haven’t been on the same message board as you in several weeks? If you want to randomly diss people out of the blue, maybe address messages TO them rather than speaking behind their backs? Or is it that you LIKE acting like a gossipy little girl?

        • Chrissy Vee

          Looks like I missed all the fun… I only see the ghost of Miss Val.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Hi Chrissy – great to see you!!!

            Yes, I think Val may have been banned. Or, she may have deleted her own comments, I guess?

            But, what is interesting is that we actually had a really productive conversation going on right before all of this happened. I got to show her that I did not satisfy her litmus test for brain-dead “fundie.” (At least not all of the time, hehe. :-))

            So, it was very positive and productive, and I am thankful we got a few interactions in before this happened, whatever it was. She was being VERY reasonable, and I THINK she felt somewhat the same way about me, not sure.

            I just hope she is OK and all – I was pretty tough on her for awhile there. 🙁 God bless you, Chrissy!

          • Chrissy Vee

            Awww… that’s great WGC. That made my night. Now I feel bad I wrote that. :/ I understand how you feel. Sometimes “living peaceably with all men” is difficult and it feels crummy when we don’t heed to that wisdom. I have gone back and deleted comments when the Holy Spirit has convicted me. Now I try to be Christ like or silent. Obviously I fall too. 🙁
            Always great to see you WGC 🙂 Keep fighting the good fight! God bless you as well!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No, Chrissy, if there is one thing I have learned, there is a place for righteous indignation. Our Savior demonstrated it well – He overturned tables and had some choice words for hypocrites. It is always a struggle to find the proper balance as to which method will be the best. Keep up the great fight, Chrissy – we love your faithfulness!!!

          • The Last Trump

            So Val finally got the ol’ heave-ho, huh? Shocking!
            Wonder who “she” will respawn as next…
            Coincidentally, I notice we have a new arrival looking for some “fundie” attention. A certain, “LePastieDeLaBourgeoisie”.
            Wonder what their position on abortion is…
            Place your bets! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, Trump, I actually was wondering about that new person – if there was a relationship – because he or she was trolling me for awhile, not actually saying anything of significance. But, Val will always hold a special place in my heart.

          • The Last Trump

            They made sure to seek me out as well.
            Time will tell.
            Just wait for all of the fstdt references. “She” just can’t help “herself”!
            And Lord knows, “she” can’t live WITHOUT US! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha – if THAT doesn’t wake her from the dead, nothing will. 🙂 Her final post was 2 days ago. I think she went to DISQUS Hell. 🙂

            You know, I miss Val, but when I went back and read her last few posts, I am missing her less and less. 🙂

            Did you know that our knowledge of the damned in Hell will have no negative effect on the rejoicing of the saved in Heaven? That is how joyful Heaven will be – incredible! We will come to know that those in Hell are actually much “happier” than they would have been had they been forced into Heaven against their will. And the further we get away from this temporal life, the more our joy will grow and grow to the point where the sufferings of this world really are a “light and momentary affliction.”

          • The Last Trump

            Amen!
            But I think we, too, may have found ourselves in disqus hell.
            Sure feels like it most days, with the number of Christian loathing trolls we seem to be drowning in daily around here!
            NO need to miss Val. The Val’s around here never go away. They are too convinced that they are on some kind of “holy” mission to convert all of the hateful and intolerant Christians. Just keep posting.
            She’ll find YOU! 🙂
            (Already has if my suspicions are correct…)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            #Truth

            Yes, she probably HAS found us in her new disguise, and it must be infuriating for her to hear us talk about her and not be able to respond without giving herself away. I fondly remember those days of Stan W calling her a “little dancing fundie monkey” as if they were yesterday. 🙂 Of PJ4 over on LAN destroying her teenie tiny arguments. Of the time she quoted some guy’s opinion on RationalWiki to explain why life begins 5 minutes after the abortion is complete. Aaah – the memories of Val! Here’s Val and your fave male troll (:-)):

            https://www .youtube .com/watch?v=nKgUq5dziEk

          • The Last Trump

            🙂
            Ahhh yes, good times. Good times!
            Raise a glass, shall we? Here’s to Val! R.I.P. Muffin!
            Bring on “LePastieDeLaBlahBlahBlah…”!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She LOVED it when you called her “Muffin” – just loved it! You know, Trump: sometimes I miss Val.

            And sometimes I don’t. 🙂

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            It’s kind of disgusting watching the two of you gloat over how your treatment of someone drove them off the forums. Maybe they just got disgusted all on their own and left. I also think it’s really bad that you gossip about people when they aren’t here to defend themselves. Where I come from the kind of person that does that is called a bully.

          • The Last Trump

            Boy, did we miss you, Muffin!
            Welcome back! 😉

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Kissy kissy, Muffin.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She is a “little fundie dancing monkey,” according to Stan. 🙂

          • The Last Trump

            Stan will be pleased to hear that “she’s” back!
            You’ll have to fill him in on the split personalities sometime.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Stan likes to make that little fundie monkey dance!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I alerted Stan. Look for the Dancing Monkey Trio! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Where you come from is the mind of Val – a place where no man should have gone before. 🙂

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Sure, absolutely I came from the mind of someone I’ve never heard of. I just transported myself in time back to 2012 when you can see for yourself I created my account. Not that this little fact will do anything to dampen this little hate party you and your boyfriend have going on.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, your feed is private.

            I miss the old Val, BG. You know, the Val who stalked us and called us hateful names while claiming she was rooting out hate and intolerance. 🙂

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            If I ever encounter her I will let you know.

            My feed is private but you can see my account is almost exactly 4 years old. Neither you nor Trump seems too interested in this little fact but if I was one tenth of the serial stalker you are claiming I am, I don’t think I would have waited four years.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            So, are you saying you are not stalking Trump and me, even while you are stalking Trump and me? 🙂 Self-refuting, much?

            I miss the old Val. You know, the Val who stalked us and called us hateful names while claiming she was rooting out hate and intolerance. 🙂

            Could you just call us some nasty names, so we can remember the “love” you gave us here and on LAN?

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            I have no interest in whatever games you have played or with whom in the past. Clearly this forum is a source of bullying pleasure for you – I have no clue what the point of you is, but it’s not to discuss issues, it’s to gang up on people with your friends.

            Well – have fun with that.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha – yes, “discussing issues” says the one stalking me from a corner of Val’s “mind.” 🙂 You seem to be getting deleted a lot too, “not-Val.” 🙂

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Eat your heart out.

          • The Last Trump

            Just a heads up, my friend.
            So Ben Gonsalves, Bob Rumba, AND LaPastieDeLaBlahBlahBlah (my personal favourite) have ALL contacted me regarding any and all comments that happen to mention Val.(!?) Despite ALL having JUST JOINED our little forum and despite having never known her.
            And they each made sure to declare that they are NOT her! 🙂
            Methinks that you will be hearing from each A LOT in the not too distant future.
            Ahh, the desperation would be laughable if it weren’t so very sad the truly pathetic lengths some will go to attempting to spread their hate and intolerance on another group’s website who happen to have differing opinions. What a tragic way to live one’s life and spend one’s time!
            Talk about somebody who is in desperate need of Jesus!
            Ben/Bob/Blah certainly deserves our pity. 🙁
            Btw, I had “Val” pegged as MisterPine and others from our past. Tried to pass “herself” off as a woman last time but lo and behold, back to male personas once again! Surprise, surprise! I wonder just how many profiles this pitiful creature actually juggles through every day desperately attempting to make it look like more than two people have actually ever visited fstdt dot com and think as hatefully as he or she. Tragic!
            Well, start the timer. Lets see how long it takes “them” (“Legion”?) to get themselves banned, blame us, and then respawn again as someone else. Let the games begin….

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Even if any of the BS you posted was true, why are you being so smug when people continue to get in your face for being so obnoxious? You think anyone cares who is a sock puppet? Your hate is far more interesting.

            It’s all a bait and switch game with you, Rumpy. Don’t pay any attention to the man behind the curtain! Pay attention instead to…MUFFIN! And to POOGS! And to VALRI! And to everyone else your paranoid delusional mind has hiding in his closet.

            WorldGoneCrazy can see for himself my account dates back to 2012 so I haven’t got a dog in this race. Kind of wish I DID though, the Valri Monster seems to be doing a great job of making you sleep with the lights on.
            Ta Ta, Muffin!

          • The Last Trump

            Must have been hard reading all of those posts between me and WGC after you were banned AGAIN, huh? Sure raced right back to respond to us though didn’t you? 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            She is getting confused as to which personality she is posting under. 🙂

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, this should be fun! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Notice how just when I was showing sympathy for Val, she turned up again to remind me why I shouldn’t feel sympathy for her. 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Man, she is really stalking you again, Trump. That is a symptom of Val-itis. 🙂

          • LePastieDeLaBourgeoisie

            Which one are you, again? The one who said evolution was from Satan, or the one who wants to jail gay people?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I miss the old Val, Le Petit. 🙂 You know, the Val who stalked us and called us hateful names while claiming she was rooting out hate and intolerance. 🙂

          • LePastieDeLaBourgeoisie

            Sounds idyllic.

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Hm. Four years now, no banning involved.
            But of course you’re not paranoid.

          • The Last Trump

            Four years you say? FOUR YEARS of simply reading posts!
            AND only NOW just started posting! OVER VAL!!
            Hee, hee! Priceless!

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            You’re right, I decided a long time ago to keep an account in hock just so four years later I could magically show up to pretend to be someone I have never even heard about. Makes PERFECT sense!
            Incidentally, look at all your fans showing up to crow with you over your self-amused little charade about people using multiple personalities! NOBODY. Wow, you’re a dynamo…everyone must really want to be you when they grow up!

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, THAT does sound like Val, alright!
            😉

          • LePastieDeLaBourgeoisie

            Ben, you should actually head over to the polls and vote for Trump. I think he’s even beating the convicted child abusing psycho from Jesus-is-savior dot com.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            And all 3 of them have private DISQUS accounts. 🙂

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Tell you what Trump. You do your hee heeing and priceless and Valri detecting and I will talk about the relevant stories. I know you have a reputation to uphold. I don’t.

          • The Last Trump

            That would be a very refreshing change, Val.
            You sticking to talking about anything relevant.
            Good for you, girlfriend! Never too late to turn over a new leaf.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Your prediction came true: Muffin is flooding my inbox as we speak. 🙂

          • The Last Trump

            Shocker.
            What an intense and misguided obsession, our little star struck stalker has!
            Just can’t go on without us!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Can you really blame Val? She thinks we “fundies” are hawt. 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Hey Trump, does Val teach high school?

            http://akathleptos .blogspot .com/2016/01/high-school-student-punished-for.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CommuniquFromPatmos+%28Communiqu%C3%A9+From+Patmos%29

          • The Last Trump

            Wow. Obama’s Islamification of America is getting out of hand.
            So many stories just like this one these days. 🙁

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            He’s a Muslim. And a radical pro-abort. Which, when you think about it, do not exactly go hand-in-hand.

            I mean, a couple of weeks ago, an Imam stopped on our sidewalk just to chew out the deathscorts. And this Imam is fairly radical. But, it just goes to show that even ISIS has standards, and pro-aborts, like Val, fall below them. 🙂

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            So two of the contenders for fundie of the year high fiving each other for bullying someone off the forum. Aren’t you brave and strong! Aren’t you model Christians!

            And before you launch into your usual paranoid “oh it’s a new person so it must be Valri” routine, you can save it…you can see for yourself that I have been around since 2012, watching you eat yourself up with hate and try to cover it up with smugness.

          • Ben_Gonsalves

            Maybe people you don’t like respond to you because they want you to know your opinions are vile.

          • Chrissy Vee

            🙂 ♥

    • afchief

      Great verse for what is happening in America today!!!

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Amen, Chief – I praise God for your faithfulness – and His!

  • hank

    stay strong David!
    the left hates us with growing hate ,and numbers,and one day we will all be called to answer in their courts.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Amen! And liberals will be called to answer in the Final Court of the Supreme Judge.

    • David Fisher

      I can’t speak for other liberals but I can say for certain I do not hate you. We just think you’re misinformed/misguided.

  • karen mandina

    It is appalling that out of all the wrongdoing being done in these situations, the one being indicted was the one exposing it!!

    • David Fisher

      No, the one being indicted is the one lying (pretending to be in the market for fetal tissues)…for the sake of spreading more lies (falsehoods about Planned Parenthood).

      • Luke Sulla

        Is he lying with his support of The Gay Agenda?

        • David Fisher

          Whuh?

    • JGC

      There was nothing to expose, Karen: he’s being indicted because he violated the law in the course of trying to create a false impression there was.

  • Craig

    May the government and the individuals who support planned parenthood all find their lives their wealth their futures completely destroyed by the wrath of God.

  • acontraryview

    No surprise there. They violated several laws. PP, on the other hand, operated within the law. While some people may not agree with the laws that govern the provision of fetal tissue for research purposes, that is irrelevant to whether or not they operated legally.

  • afchief

    Abortion harms women. No matter what they tell you, post-abortive women will never forget what goes on behind the walls of the modern day holocaust centers where millions of little baby boys and baby girls have their body parts ripped from them like legs off of a cricket. No matter how thick the aroma of antiseptic that permeates the room, it is impossible to wipe from the memory of the young women what took place behind the sparsely decorated “office.”

    She will never be the same. Every time she hears a vacuum cleaner whirl, or looks into the eyes of another woman’s young baby, the pungent smell of that room will seep into her memory. She will never forget. No matter how much she tries to convince herself that what she did was the right thing to do, she will never forget.

    Abortion harms women. “One dead, one wounded.”

    • JGC

      Your evidence that abortion harms women to any greater extent than forcing them to carry an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy to term harms them would be what, afchief?

      • afchief

        Yes, abortion harms women.

        I see it when we stand outside of the killing centers. Unsuspecting women, told that their child is a “blob of tissue” are escorted from their cars by the smiling ghouls, many themselves scarred by their own post-abortive trauma, (misery loves company) into the death chambers where a temporary solution to a permanent problem awaits them. Like an animal with its foot caught in a trap, young women think that gnawing off their leg will set them free, when, in fact, it tragically leads to a lifelong limp.

        One dead, one wounded.

        The minion’s lies of “my life, my body, and my choice” are straight from the mouth of Beelzebub. Their desire for “liberation” has brought liberty only to the men in their lives. No longer are men required to accept responsibility for the life they have jointly created, but instead pony up $500 (the cost of a good sound system) to help make the problem go away. “It is her choice” I have heard many liberated men say outside the clinics; at least the few who have the decency to accompany her to the “women’s health clinic.” Woman’s liberation liberated men from responsibility.

        “Real men don’t kill babies….they raise them.” I can’t count the number of times I have said that to daddies outside the slaughterhouse. “You’ll still be a daddy; you’ll just be the daddy of a dead baby.” They shrug their shoulders as they look at their watch, hoping she will be done in time for the afternoon football game on TV.

  • Reason2012

    “In a statement announcing the indictment, Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson didn’t provide details on the charges, including what record or records were allegedly tampered with and why Daleiden faces a charge related to buying human organs”

    Of course they won’t provide details of these fake charges – it’s the left’s way of criminalizing those who expose their criminal activities. Yet in the video you can hear the pp workers saying they DO exactly what this DA claims they don’t do. Get active, people: contact your representatives – your country is being taken over by criminals.

    • Michael C

      …it’s the left’s way of criminalizing those who expose their criminal activities.

      A grand jury is comprised of a broad spectrum of private citizens. “The Left™” does not control the selection of the grand jury. Any person can challenge the selection of the entire jury or any specific member of the jury. Also, I doubt that any person would refer to the Texas Rangers (not the ball team) as “The Left.”

      The investigation was ordered by Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (a Republican) with the full support of Gov. Greg Abbott. …definitely a Republican.

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        What evidence was this jury actually allowed to hear? Not the whole truth, you can be sure.

        • Michael C

          You can take that up with the Texas Rangers, Republican Gov. Greg Abbott, and Republican Lt. Gov Dan Patrick.

      • Reason2012

        Yes, and Boehner was a “republican” who acted like he was against the left but gave the left almost everything they wanted.

        Many “republicans” were elected to stand up against amnesty push from the left, then turned around and gave the left “amnesty”, proving they were liars and are really liberals as well.

        Calling yourself “republican” or “conservative” is not what makes it true – your ACTIONS are what makes it true.

        And in the videos these people are admitting what they do to the babies, selling them for body parts. So for a judge to pretend they did no such thing only proves he’s a liberal/left and a liar.

        Where are the details of the supposed charges?
        Where’s the PROOF it was edited.
        None.
        Just take their word for it.

        And it’s how the left works – or do you forget the lie of “a video caused the Benghazi attacks”?

        • gizmo23

          But you will continue to vote GOP

        • Bob Johnson

          Rose Mary Woods

  • jael2

    A word from the Lord to Planned Parenthood:
    “Behold, the wicked brings forth iniquity;
    Yes, he conceives trouble and brings forth falsehood.
    He made a pit and dug it out,
    And has fallen into the ditch which he made.
    His trouble shall return upon his own head,
    And his violent dealing shall come down on his own crown” Ps. 7:14-16

  • gizmo23

    Can anyone name 3 things the pro life/ conservative movement has done in the last 25 years to end or lessen abortionS?

    • gizmo23

      No takes of this challenge yet?

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    Is this the same DA office who colluded with the former Mayor to sue and threaten churches? This stinks of something other than justice. Planned Parenthood innocent?!!

  • gizmo23

    This is what you get when you vote in people and don’t hold them accountable.

  • Nidalap

    That’s it, Texas! You’ve obviously been TOO close to California for too long! Lot of wacky stuff been going on there lately…

  • Angel Jabbins

    Killing and chopping up little babies and selling their body parts for profit…(every bit as horrific as the German concentration camps and gas chambers)…but who is the evil one? The one who took great pains to expose and uncover it all. Why is he the villain and not the baby killers? Because our society today is filled with people who care nothing at all about the rights of innocent children….self centered, self indulgent, hedonistic people who like to believe they are accountable to no one for their actions, especially not to the God of the Universe whom they scorn. Those in the abortion industry (and those who support them) might be rejoicing at this news today, thinking they have escaped any consequences for their despicable actions. But that is not the case. A day of reckoning is coming. God keeps His promises.

    ‘Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly. ‘ Deut 32:35

    • JGC

      Except that there’s no evidence whatsoever that Planned Parenthood is now or has ever in the past engaged in “killing and chopping up little babies and selling their body parts for profit: every state that has investigated PP has cleared them of these false accusations, and several other states failed to find a credible reason to investigate at all.

      “Why is he the villain and not the baby killers?”
      Because 1) he committed serious crimes in order to deliberately create the false appearance that PP was in violation of the law and 2) there’s no actual evidence PP has ever killed a single baby.

      • Angel Jabbins

        ‘there’s no actual evidence PP has ever killed a single baby.’

        You don’t get a heart, a liver, or an eyeball from a blob of tissue now do you? Oops… it had to be a …..BABY….a HUMAN BEING, and yes, PP kills plenty of them every day. The numbers are just in for 2014 and PP killed 327,653 babies while at the same time providing less health care to fewer patients…an 11% drop in health care services. The number of abortions though is up 487 more than the previous year…that works out to 37 abortions every single hour or one abortion every 90 seconds. A regular killing machine. But, of course in your world, all they are killing is just ‘blobs of tissue’…. ‘blobs’ that make them a lot of money. That is why, in the tapes, the PP reps talk about preferring to sell body parts individually instead of selling as whole babies because they get more money that way. And also telling how they can adjust the way they do the abortion to get a more fully developed intact baby so they can get more parts to sell….better specimens. They said it plainly in those tapes whether the interviewer had a fake ID or not.

        PP is big, well funded, and very powerful with influence in high places…state and federal level. They will crush whoever comes against them and they have plenty of people in place to cover up what they are doing. No real in-depth serious investigations have been done to date. It has all been nicely swept under the rug, as usual, and instead the whistle blower is the one being punished for exposing the truth. It is what I expected.

        • JGC

          “You don’t get a heart, a liver, or an eyeball from a blob of tissue now do you?”

          No where have I argued that you do, angel. I’m simply pointing out you can get these from a fetus, which has not been shown to represent a human being at all stages of development.

          The numbers are just in for 2014 and PP killed 327,653 babies while at the same time providing less health care to fewer patients…an 11% drop in health care services.”

          Can you provide evidence that PP killed 327,653 human infants post delivery? or is this just one more completely unsupported assertion that embryos, zygotes and fetuses represent actual human beings at all stages of development post-conception?

          I’m not aware thatThey will crush whoever comes against them and they have plenty of people in place to cover up what they are doing.”
          I’m not aware of any evidence demonstrating PP is doing anything that would require being covered up–quite to the contrary, the 19 states which have to date investigated the claims made in the edited videos have found no evidence supporting any wrongdoing.

          • Angel Jabbins

            And I repeat, you can’t get eyes, a heart (one worker pocked a tiny heart in a dish and it started beating much to her surprise), lungs, a liver from a mere blob of tissue. When those organs are present, I would think even you could agree what was killed WAS a human being….not a turnip, a banana, a fly. Good grief, it is so sad how far people will go to defend what is truly heinous. This is the pro-death mentality we have today. People’s minds and consciences are completely seared so they cannot even understand the intrinsic value of human life….have no concept of the value of that life at ALL stages…beginning to end.

            I never said anything about ‘infants post delivery’. I said ‘abortions’ (the killing of unborn but alive human beings) and the statistics are from an article at the Washington Times which was quoting PP’s own 2014 fiscal report. Just because YOU want to believe and continue to argue that a HUMAN fetus is not a human being does not make it so. Your arguments are ridiculous. You want to compare human life as being equal to all other forms of life on our planet. That is what happens when you have a low view of man and no concept of his Creator.

            This fine courageous young man purposefully put himself in the way of the massive PP bulldozer in an effort to get the truth out. I am sure he knew what it could cost him. Those videos showed the true evil of the abortion industry (little chopped up baby body parts in a dish) and that it is really about one thing: money.

          • JGC

            And I repeat: I’ve never claimed that you can get eyes, a heart, etc. from a blob of tissue.

            “When those organs are present, I would think even you could agree what was killed WAS a human being..”
            You are wrong: I would not agree that the presence of such organs is sufficient of itself to demonstrate an embryo or fetus had developed sufficiently that it represents a human being.

            “I said ‘abortions’ (the killing of unborn ALIVE human beings) and the statistics are from an article at the Washington Times which was quoting PP’s own 2014 fiscal report.”
            You haven’t come close to demonstrating that abortion at all stages of development following conception is synonymous with the killing of an ‘unborn alive human being’–you’ve simply asserted that this is the case repeatedly.

            “Your arguments are ridiculous.”
            What is ridiculous about applying the same criteria deemed sufficient to demonstrate when something that previously did represent a human being, such that causing its death would represent an act of murder, to the question of whether a fetus has developed sufficiently to become a human being, such that its destruction would represent an act of murder?

            “You want to compare human life as being equal to all other forms of life on our planet.”
            Nowhere have I made such an argument: I’ve confined my posts to the question of what properties or attributes would be sufficient to demonstrate we must consider it toe be a human being, ethically identical to a day-old, year-old, two-year-old human man or woman.

            “This fine courageous young man purposefully put himself in the way of the massive PP bulldozer in an effort to get the truth out”
            He’s neither fine nor courageous: he engaged in a conspiracy–violating the law in the process–to deliberately create the false impression that Planned Parent was violating the law with respect to supplying tissues harvested following abortions.

          • Angel Jabbins

            You, sir, are beyond help.

            No amount of discussion can make a dent in your blind reasoning. But what you and I think about this issue is not what really matters. What does God think, because you and every one else who approves of what PP is doing, will stand accountable to God one day. I would much rather be in this young reporter’s shoes on judgment day than in the shoes of the calloused people in those videos who are nonchalantly discussing the dismemberment of babies while they chomp on their salad. (Fetus in Latin, BTW, is translated BABY.)

            “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Jeremiah 1:5

            “For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother’s womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.…” Psalm 139:13

            “This is what the LORD says– your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, the Maker of all things, who stretches out the heavens”…..Isaiah

            It is God who creates life. He alone ordains it to be. He alone is the One who decides when a person’s life will end….not us. Woe to those who think they can play God. We have no right to interfere with and end lives God has initiated. Just who do we think we are?

          • JGC

            Angel, you’re speaking as if god were known to exist, or
            that the bible were known to possess some inherent authority or offer an
            accurate depiction of god’s nature, will and relationship to his purported
            creation. Surely you realize this isn’t the case?

          • Angel Jabbins

            And now we are finally getting down to the nitty-gritty. aren’t we? Faith. What we have faith in will affect our view of the world (and subjects like abortion). I have faith in the God of the Bible. Can I prove to you absolutely without a doubt that He exists and the Bible is His infallible Word to man? Of course not. God alone can reveal Himself that to you (and I pray one day he will). But neither can you give me absolute proof that the God of the Bible does not exist. Christians aren’t the only ones believing something on faith. What atheists believe takes an even greater amount of faith: Life comes from non life…what remarkable faith! Intelligence comes from non intelligence…what a remarkable leap of faith! Morality comes from non morality. And here you are pointing the finger at Christians for having faith that there is a God. The faith of the atheist is truly astounding.

            If there is no God, then men can do whatever they feel is right in their own eyes. He does not have to worry about moral absolutes…moral values that are unchanging. Morals can change with the times. But if God exists, and he has set standards of right and wrong for us to obey (as the Bible teaches) and we thumb our noses in His face, then one day He will hold us accountable. Beliefs have consequences. I will take my chances on faith in the unchanging First Cause, the Maker and Ruler over all.

            Thanks for the discussion, but I think we are finally at the end. I cannot convince you and you will never convince me.

          • JGC

            “And now we are finally getting down to the nitty-gritty. aren’t we? Faith.”
            Faith isn’t germane to the discussion, Angel, as no amount of faith–no matter how sincerely held–is capable of establishing that what one believes to be true actually is true.

            “But neither can you give me absolute proof that the God of the Bible does not exist.”
            I haven”t tried to: we’re not discussing the putative existence of supernatural entities commonly referred to as ‘gods’ but instead whether there’s a rational reason to conclude that a zygote, embryo or fetus represents a human being at all stages of gestation following fertilization.

            “The faith of the atheist is truly astounding.”
            Perhaps, but again this isn’t relevant to the discussion. (BTW, perhaps I should mention I am not an atheist?)

            “If there is no God, then men can do whatever they feel is right in their own eyes.”
            I don’t see why–surely you’re not argument that the only reason for anyone to behave ethically is fear of punishment by supernatural authorities?

      • Angel Jabbins

        BTW, I served as a grand jury foreperson a few years ago. The DA is the one giving the jury the evidence to consider so it is one sided. You can ask questions and probe, but he decides what you get to hear regarding a case. If he is a fair DA with no ax to grind, it works pretty well. If he or she is biased and wants a certain outcome, it is easy to work things toward that end. At least this is how I saw it from the experience. I think there is little chance these charges will hold up in a real trial before a regular jury.

  • gizmo23

    Sorry folks using a fake government ID to try and harm or defraud someone is a felony

  • FoJC_Forever

    People who support abortion in any way are the most dangerous people on the planet. Look at ISIS and other groups of the same ilk. They are open and not pretending to be kind and reasonable; they kill march and war and speak their hate and violence with impunity. Most of the people performing and supporting abortions come across like they are good and loving and helpful to society and others. It is a bizarre reality in our country that is worse than slavery, worse than terrorism, which are horrible, that people have “progressed’ to the point that they think tearing a tiny human apart while it’s in its mother’s womb is a right-to-service for women.

    The innocent blood shall be avenged.

    Judgement is coming.

    • Mark B

      I’m lost. How did ISIS get into the abortion industry?

  • acontraryview

    Well no surprise there. Indictments are often the result of lawless activity.

  • Coach

    The more people know about sin, the more they embrace it. The heart loves sin. Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it?