New York Governor Announces Regulations Banning Help for Homosexual Youth

Sad youth II pdALBANY, N.Y. — The Democratic governor of New York announced on Saturday that multiple agencies within the state have taken steps to ban mental health facilities from providing help to homosexual youth to overcome temptation.

Andrew Cuomo, a homosexual rights advocate who has lived with his girlfriend Sandra Lee since 2005, called the practice known as conversion therapy “hateful” and decried efforts to change youth from “being who they are.”

“Conversion therapy is a hateful and fundamentally flawed practice that is counter to everything this state stands for,” he wrote in a statement. “New York has been at the forefront of acceptance and equality for the LGBT community for decades—and today we are continuing that legacy and leading by example. We will not allow the misguided and the intolerant to punish LGBT young people for simply being who they are.”

Cuomo’s office noted that while the state will ban efforts to help youth turn from homosexuality or gender confusion, the regulations will not apply to those who affirm homosexual emotions/behaviors or transgenderism.

“Conversion therapy does not include counseling or therapy for an individual seeking to transition or transitioning from one gender to another gender, that provides acceptance, support, and understanding of an individual or the facilitation of an individual’s coping, social support, and identity exploration and development, including sexual orientation-neutral interventions to prevent or address unlawful conduct or unsafe sexual practices, provided that the counseling or therapy does not seek to change sexual orientation or gender identity,” it explained.

Under the new regulations, New York State Office of Mental Health will prohibit facilities under state jurisdiction from providing treatment to youth, and the New York State Department of Financial Services will bar insurance companies from providing coverage for the services. The New York State Department of Health will also bar coverage through the state Medicaid program.

New York becomes the fourth state to ban conversion therapy following Illinois, California and New Jersey. As previously reported, reiterating his belief that homosexuality is “not a sin,” New Jersey governor and Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie signed a bill into law in August 2013 that banned the use of conversion or reparative therapy, or to otherwise help minors who are struggling with feelings toward those of the same sex.

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“My religion says it’s a sin,” Christie, a Roman Catholic, first told CNN’s Piers Morgan in 2011. “I mean, I think, but for me, I’ve always believed that people are born with the predisposition to be homosexual. And so I think if someone is born that way it’s very difficult to say then that’s a sin. But I understand that my church says that, but for me personally, I don’t look at someone who is homosexual as a sinner.”

The law was soon challenged in court, including by the parents of a teenager who desired help to overcome his struggles with homosexuality, but was consequently being denied from receiving it.

“[The unnamed teen] has a sincerely held religious belief and conviction that homosexuality is wrong and immoral, and he wanted to address that value conflict because his unwanted same-sex attractions and gender confusion are contrary to the fundamental religious values that he holds,” the lawsuit stated.

Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear a challenge to the law after the Third Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously upheld the ban.

Similar regulations have failed to pass in other states, including Colorado, Virginia and Rhode Island.


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  • bowie1

    So even if the youth wants it is now illegal in New York, to help him or her out from something they may be depressed about.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Maybe if Christian parents would help there homosexual child to except who he/she is instead of brainwashing their kid and tell him/her that it is wrong, that child wouldn’t be depressed. I have seen homosexual kids grow up in loving families who were excepted for who they are. They weren’t depressed, they didn’t need any help.

      • afchief

        Kids are not born homosexual. Kids are being taught as early as kindergarten that homosexuality is normal. The homos know they have to reach the kids first. Indoctrinate them with lies and then the lies soon become truth. The child is now confused. Instead of the truth that homosexuality is a disorder and a VERY dangerous lifestyle, these kids begin to wonder at a very young age if they are homo. Because at a young age kids do not like the opposite sex. We do boy and girls things. The homosexuals play on this. They tell the kids it is normal to feel affection for the same sex. That you should develop these relationships more.

        The stability of the family unit for raising children has been undermined and destroyed in America. We will continue to reap the ill fruits of the social instability we’ve sown for many generations.

        The fact is, family, church and schools are the building blocks of what once made our country thrive. The schools are gone and are now a mechanism of progressive/liberal indoctrination. Churches like the Episcopalians, Catholics and black churches are being subverted, liberalized to the point of near uselessness. Marriage and families have been dismantled by welfare, no fault divorce, emasculation and stigmatization. That said, is there any wonder why our country is failing and will continue to decline into economic and moral poverty? Babylon has fallen!

        This is why homosexuality is evil. It is sin. There is NOTHING normal about it. It is perverted, deviant and extremely dangerous to one’s health.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          *facepalm* this is getting sooooooo old.

          • afchief

            Then go to you homo friendly sites and leave the truth to us!!!

          • John N

            Well, once you stop harassing people for falling in love with someone of the same sex, or trying to ‘convert’ them to heterosexuality, you can have your truth.

            Until that is done we’ll come here to remind you of your religious bigotry and discriminatory behaviour.

          • afchief

            This is why you homosexuals come to Christian websites…..looking for affirmation of your lifestyle. We Christians will love you and tell you there is freedom in Jesus Christ. But we will NEVER condone your lifestyle. We know it is sin. We know what it does to a person. We know that you are hurting inside. We know you are searching for truth. We know you want to stop. But sin is an addiction. It’s desire is for you. It controls you and it is all you can think about. Soon your heart becomes so hard, that you become callous to your sin. It becomes normal to you. God has given you over to do things that are not proper. You then begin to see no way out. This is why the suicide rate is so high with homosexuals. But, there is a way out and His name is Jesus Christ. You have to trust Him. He will set you free from this sin. I promise!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You really think homosexuals need affirmation from Christians like you? Roflmao! Dream on!

          • Diaris

            Since they troll Christian blogs 24/7, it’s pretty apparent that they are obsessed with Christians, yes.

            On the flip side: no Christian on earth seeks the approval of homosexuals.

          • MattFCharlestonSC

            You’re confusing this website with your diary. If you want somewhere to write your opinions without blowback from the people you’re writing about, the internet is not the place for you.

          • Bob Johnson

            Or for people who reject your narrow view to stand in for an entire, diverse religion.

          • vorpal

            We are obsessed with the fact that Christianity has been historically and presently used as a weapon to harm LGBT people. So yes, we will challenge you on your claims and make sure that the truth is actually heard. It has nothing to do with your approval: it has to do with minimizing the harm that is done to the LGBT youth of tomorrow.

            The best part of it is that in the process of spewing your foul lies about gay people, you just make yourselves look bad, and drive people away from your disgusting, backward beliefs. As a gay atheist, it’s win-win for me!

          • vorpal

            They’re so utterly quaint that it would be adorable if they weren’t using their idiocy to attempt to hurt a minority group that has suffered enough.

          • John N

            So you do ‘know’ at lot about me. How funny. I guess being a religious fundamentalist brings about psychic superpowers. And all this because you possess a 2000 year old book?

            But I wouldn’t quit your day time job if I were you.

            And since you are wrong about everything you stated here, your promise must be placed in the same category.

          • afchief

            I know sin John. I know what it does to a person. I know the addiction of sin. Homosexuality is sin. It is an addiction. Sin blinds you. You cannot see the truth because of this addiction. It’s grip on you is strong. Only Jesus Christ can set you free from this sin.

            He will if you let Him. I promise!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oh yeah, now I had a good laugh. Thanks!

          • vorpal

            LOL didn’t you know? Being part of a fundie faith and probably never having read the bible automagically makes them self-professed experts on all the things.
            ALL THE THINGS.

          • vorpal

            LOL umm… no. We don’t care about your affirmation. We just care about facts, and will challenge you on your nonsense.

            If you ever start affirming anything I do, I am going to feel seriously concerned and examine that behaviour.

            Also, as always, you have it completely backward: it is repeated exposure to your silly mythological religion that has made the utterly absurd normalized to you, and your religious belief is absolutely a choice.

            Homosexuality, on the other hand, not so much.

          • afchief

            Why Homosexuals Tend To Be Sexually Exploitative

            For way too many homosexuals, even in these AIDS-ridden times, impersonal or casual sex with numerous partners is popular. Indeed, a couple of recent studies support the contention that unsafe sex by homosexuals has significantly increased over the last few years.1

            Extreme promiscuity has in fact been a common occurrence among homosexuals for a long time. Back in 1982, homosexual Dennis Altman even admitted: “now there is a move toward claiming that this [i.e., promiscuity] is part of a different, perhaps even superior, way of managing sexual relationships….[T]he assumption that it is desirable to have frequent and varied sex partners is increasingly seen as a positive part of the gay life style.”2

            A couple of homosexual authors, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, noted that “gay men aren’t very good at having and holding lovers.”3 This is because, they say, “gay men tire of their partners (sexually, at any rate) more rapidly than straight men.”4

            According to Kirk and Madsen, the average homosexual first “seeks [sexual] novelty in partners, rather than practices, and becomes massively promiscuous; [but] eventually, all bodies become boring, and only new practices will thrill.”5

            If loving relationships sound rare among homosexuals it is because they are. Jean Genet, a homosexual, observed: “What is a homosexual? A man for whom, first of all, the entire female sex, half of humanity, doesn’t exist….For him romance is only a kind of stupidity or deception–for him only pleasure exists.”6

            Homosexual author Seymour Kleinberg: “The prodigiousness of sex really depends deeply on change, and promiscuity is the easiest kind of change for gay men.”7

            Homosexual author Simon LeVay: “In a study in the San Francisco Bay area in the 1970s…almost one-half of the white gay men and one-third of the black gay men claimed to have had at least five hundred different male sex partners.”8

            For many homosexuals the world seems to intentionally be a cold, loveless place where people just use other people’s bodies for their own selfish, sexual purposes. Is that the kind of world we want? Is that the kind of world psychologically healthy people want?

            (Hollywood, incidentally, is materially contributing to that sexually exploitative world. Actor Woody Harrelson, for example, admits: “Every [acting] business I ever entered into in New York seemed to have a casting couch….I’ve seen so many people sleep with people they loathe in order to further their ambition.”9

            (Jenny McCarthy similarly noted: “[In Los Angeles you] hear about casting couches–which I thought were just big fluffy couches–but you don’t know till you experience it how corrupt it is. I was the only girl in my clique who wasn’t sleeping with someone to get a job.”10

            (Chris Hanley, producer of over 20 movies [“American Psycho,” “The Virgin Suicides,” etc.] “told his class reunion at Amherst College in Massachusetts about the Hollywood casting process: ‘Almost every leading actress in all of my 24 films has slept with a director or producer or a leading actor to get the part that launched her career.'”11

            (And Peter Keough, a writer for the Chicago Tribune, sounded a kindred tune. He described Hollywood as “a town where everyone is selling body and soul for fame and fortune, and all–especially women–are considered commodities.”12

            (We probably should boycott Hollywood until they clean up the place. If we allow Hollywood to impose its cold-blooded, money-grubber values on us we’ll all be reduced to heartless bodily things to be used as sex objects and for money or to be discarded when convenient [e.g., abortion].

            (While on the subject of Hollywood, here are a couple of revealing quotes. First, from Teller [of Penn and Teller fame]: “It shouldn’t be true, but I’m afraid it’s more true than I’d like to admit. People in the entertainment business actually celebrate the fact they are working for the lowest common denominator, that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”13

            (And second, from film director Joel Schumaker [of “Batman Forever” and “The Client” fame]: “I think [the studios] have a tendency to think the audience is stupid and unsophisticated. I think there’s a notion in a lot of people’s minds in Hollywood that…everybody’s like the people in [the movie] ‘Deliverance.'”14 The public is enriching people who think the public is stupid.)

            People who are promiscuous are basically saying: “I don’t think you’re worth marrying but I’ll use you for sex.” Promiscuity, sleeping together, pre-marital sex, living together–they are all just euphemisms for sexual exploitation.

            We can have a warm, loving world where people are treated with respect; or, we can have a cold, impersonal, exploitative world where people are treated as things, as commodities. Which would you prefer?

          • George

            I don’t think anyone is trying to “convert” homosexuals to heterosexual relationships, we’re just pointing out that homosexuality is sin, just like adultery, lying, stealing, murder etc.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Murder, stealing, rape are in my eyes greater “sins” as christians call it, then loving somieone. But that is just me.

          • John N

            You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, which means it is your opinion that homosexuality is sin, just like adultery, lying, stealing, murder etc.

            Other people however will have the opinion that who they have a relationship with is none of your business.

            And like the article points out, people who do know what they are talking about have the opinion that trying to convert people into a heterosexual mindset using fysical and/or psychical pressure is at the least unhealthy and should therefore be forbidden.

          • George

            it is my business, im answering on a christian website. the question is, why are you on this site if you dont like the truth? By the way, its not that its just my opinion, but im just expressing what the bible teaches about homosexuality. The bible is Gods inspired word, it is totally trustworthy and reliable. And i have the privilege of following it.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So you actually don’t have an opinion of your own? You repeat what you think your bible says is right or wrong. Got it.

          • John N

            Why is that Christians always think they need to interfere with others people’s life? If there is mutual consent, why worry who wants to marry who?

            It must be because their god, supposedly the creator of the universe and everything in it, really has no other worry than what we do with our genitals.

          • George

            again, why are you on a Christian website if it bothers you?

          • John N

            ‘We welcome readers to comment on stories …’

            So that is just window dressing?

          • George

            your statements are not comments, but diatribes.

          • John N

            Are they? And who are you? The Spanish Inquistion?

            Now do you have anything to say that has added value in this discussion or are you just trolling around?

          • vorpal

            I respect that YOU believe that your god exists and the bible is his inspired word. I disagree with you entirely on both of those points, and have good reason for doing so, but I would not presume to tell you what to believe and how to live your life.

            So return the favour.

          • George

            the bible gives us the real reason why people reject God and his redemptive love through his son Christ Jesus –
            “18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

            21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools” (romans1:18-22)

          • vorpal

            Yes, I’m well aware that your holy book gives you nonsensical answers as to why people do not follow your holy book, and you must work under the assumption that your holy book is true to accept those answers.

            Circular reasoning FTW!

          • George

            not as nonsensical that everything came from nothing! that nothing produced complex organisms that were once non living chemicals, etc.

            Heres another 2 scriptures attesting to your condition –

            “Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.” (romans 1:28)
            (hence why people think homosexuality is ok, watching porn is ok, lying, blaspheming etc)
            and
            “Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.” (2 Corinthians 4:4)

          • vorpal

            I don’t think that any cosmologist anywhere has ever made the claim that everything came from nothing, and no biologist ever has claimed to know the cause of abiogenesis. The fact that you do not listen to what they are actually saying and instead hear what you want to is a shortcoming of yours, and not a shortcoming of cosmology or biology.

            As for what your holy book says, I’m not interested any more than I’m interested in what the Quran, the Upanishads, or the Book of Mormon says.

          • Michael Hampton

            Then I hope you aren’t overweight. God has a real problem with that.

          • George

            What ever I am, im forgiven, redeemed and reconciled to God through the precious blood of Christ. What about you, have you accepted him?
            New testament says “it is appointed that man must die once, then face judgement” are you ready? or are you happy to live on in your sins unforgiven?

          • Michael Hampton

            My relationship with God is personal. I don’t need to constantly tell others about how holy I am in order to feel good about myself by putting them down.

          • George

            where did I mention how holy I am? im just pointing out what scripture clearly teaches. Ive found that when ever I share the gospel and the need for people too repent, I get answers similar to yours. I may be mistaken, but can I ask, do you support homosexual marriage ?

          • Michael Hampton

            Um…where you say “Whatever I do, I’m forgiven but you are a dirty, dirty sinner.” That’s where you say how “holy” you are.

            And yes. I support my family having the same legal protections that your family enjoys. It’s just marriage now. No reason to put the word “homosexual” in front of it. We can all have it so you can drop the differentiation. Or is that the part that makes you the maddest? That my marriage is equal to yours in every way according to the government?

          • George

            your support for homosexual marriage says it all. Love also how you put words into my mouth” but you are a dirty, dirty sinner”
            But if that’s how you interpret that, it means you have some sort of guilt. You would have to accuse Jesus of the same thing, he clearly taught the need for ALL us sinners to repent (like myself) the apostle paul, james etc all clearly pointed out sin and the need to repent. Do you see them as thinking themselves holier than though as well?

          • Michael Hampton

            I have no guilt. I was merely reflecting back the tone that you used. You made yourself out to be holier than I because at least you aren’t “the abomination” like I am. You think that your kids are better than mine because at least they don’t have “an abomination” as their parents. Do you see how you sound to me? And I don’t care about your Bible quotes. They mean nothing to me. You can try to tell me how important they are, but they are not important at all in my life. And I do see Jesus as “holier” than me. He is God’s son. As a homosexual, my marriage allowed my children to be legally protected the same way your children are legally protected. I would never vote against my own best interests.

          • George

            no, im a sinner saved by Gods grace,and when people truly repent and turn to Jesus Christ in trust and faith, God gives that person a new heart. The bible is clear that adultery is sin, murder, theft, lying, and the practice of homosexuality.
            when it comes to relationships, Homosexuals always say its about love, and if that’s the case, then why cant you love the opposite sex? or do your lusts drive you? Ive been married 24 years and have to say, that those early feelings of love and romance are gone, whats left now is a commitment to continue to love my wife, even if I don’t always feel it. Its not based on lust.
            I know a girl who has come out of a 7 year lesbian relationship, and she admitted it was based on lust. She is now dating a male, she has admitted it hasn’t been easy, but she also knows in her heart its the right thing to do, and she is learning to love him.
            The other thing is, don’t you feel children are being denied their basic biological right to have both a mum and dad? even in homosexual relationships, ive noticed that there is always the feminie type, and the masculine type, so you cant escape the biological tendencies for the opposite sexes in a relationship.
            I know your going to hate me, and that’s fine, this is not about me personally bashing you, just stating my moral and Christian belief. I still respect you as a person.

          • Michael Hampton

            First, your claims of God being against homosexuality are based on a lie. The word “homosexual” wasn’t added to the Bible until 1946. The original language is not the same meaning. You see, when “christians” found the need to try and find a reason to morally oppose homosexuality, they added that word to the Bible. If you explore the original text of the Bible, you will find that what they found to be an “abomination” was the rape of young boys by older men. It has nothing to do with a committed same-gender relationship. In fact, if you look at the story of St. Sergius and St. Bacchus, you will find that they were two men married in the church during the times of Christ because their love was unstoppable, even by death. And you can’t tell me that there are parts of the Bible that you currently ignore simply because they are out of touch with modern reality. Read the blog of the woman who lived by every single rule in the Bible and then tell me that you do that, and I will happily accept your condemnation. Until then, it falls on deaf ears.

            How would you feel if every time you mentioned your loving wife, someone said to you that your relationship with her was equal to murder, drug addiction, bestiality, stealing, lying, and alcoholism? How would that make you feel about those people? That is how I feel.

            Second, your assertion that there is a “feminine and masculine” role in every homosexual relationship is also a fallacy. As a homosexual who is masculine and yet both physically and spiritually attracted to masculine men, you are way off base. Men are men. Yes some are more feminine than others, but I am sure that you have seen masculine women who are married to more feminine men in the straight world. It happens. Your over generalizations are ridiculous and based on assumptions.

            Third. I don’t doubt that your friend is trying to make her relationship with a man work, and that’s great. I don’t need to make my life fit into anyone else’s idea of what they think is best for me. I know what is best for me. And whether it begins with lust or begins with a desire to find a mate with compatible values and morals is moot because straight people also begin their relationships in the same way.

            Fourth, I don’t hate you. I am trying to educate you on something that you only have wild speculations about. My love for my family dictates my actions. And would you ask that same question about “denying a mother or father” of a widow who chose not to remarry? No. As an adopted child, I never felt deprived of not knowing my birth parents. And if you read medical studies, they all agree that having 2 parents, regardless of the gender of those parents, produces the best results. In fact, studies show that children of gay couples are much better adjusted than, say, homeschooled children, because the parents are much more engaged in their children’s lives. Gay parents have to deal with the wild accusations of others, much like what you asserted. We have to teach our kids about he hatred that they will encounter, the discrimination that they will face and the outright disgust that gets thrown at them every day from small minded individuals who feel that the way they live their life is somehow better than the way that I live mine. And gay parents have to work hard to become parents, something that straight couples tend to take for granted.

            I love my family just as much as you do. And I work hard to take away some of the outright lies that my children face every day from “christians” who think they know what’s best for my family, when they don’t even know us or our circumstances.

            I hope you had a wonderful Valentine’s Day, and I am sorry that you have to force yourself to feel love your wife. I cherish every day I get to spend with my spouse and my family. You believe one thing. I believe another. I believe that God made me to be this way. And every sign I get from Him tells me I am right. My pastor feels the same way and welcome’s us into their church. My mother’s church is pentecostal, and they welcome me and my family with open arms because they know us as human beings, and not just a nameless, faceless GAY.

            Peace be with you.

          • George

            the bible doesn’t have to use the word “homosexual” but please read this passage of scripture written by the apostle paul, he is talking how when people disregard God and his authority in their lives he abandons them to their lusts. The context is very clear that homosexual relations are against Gods natural order –

            “4 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. 26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. 27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.

            28 Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done.” (romans 1:4-28)
            A lot of people claim to be “Christian” today, but even Jesus said that many will claim to belong to him, yet they don’t obey what he and Gods word teaches. Again, I can love you as my neighbour, but i stand with Gods word that homosexual practice is sin.

          • Michael Hampton

            The fact that you simply threw another Bible quote at me proves that you didn’t even read what I wrote. The Bible was written by men. It’s translations have changed over the years to be against things that the church didn’t like that were never intended in the original text. Please reread what I wrote and you will see that I choose to look at the hearts of men TODAY rather than relay on the words of men from thousands of years ago. There’s no point in speaking to you anymore if you are simply going to throw more meaningless Bible passages at me. Have a nice life. I know I will.

          • George

            “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,” 2 timothy 3:16

          • Michael Hampton

            Perhaps you missed the article that you are commenting on where the author laments not being able to torture young gay kids into being straight.

          • Chrissy Vee

            And a long as you decide to tread in waters where you have no depth of understanding, we will continue to remind you that practicing homosexuality is an abomination against God and nature, and that the gaystapo will certainly reap what they sow.

          • John N

            Verrrrry deep.

            What makes you think I have no understanding of discrimination and religious bigotry? I’ve come to visit this forum for some time now. It is pretty clear what fundamentalistic Christians think about their fellow creatures.

          • Chrissy Vee

            You lack spiritual understanding. Nothing will ever be clear to you because you wallow in the mire and murky waters of your carnal mind. Deep calls unto deep and the things of God are too deep for shallow minds. Sorry.
            And it’s very clear how our “fellow creatures” feel about Christians. You’re like the bullies waiting in the playground, ready to pounce on those who think, act, speak differently than you. However, Christians are not weaklings and we will stand firm for our faith and not let you knock us down. You attack us and cry foul (or bigot, or intolerant, or fundie, or discrimination,) if you don’t like our responses. You may not like our responses because, the truth hurts, but it can set you free. Now go play with your peers. They understand you.

          • John N

            So you answer with more deepities. Your god must be soooo deep, he just could be non-existing. Oh, wait …

            And atheists bully and attack you? Really?

            Do they call you ‘disordered’, a ‘depraved mind’ or ‘mentally ill’? Do they call you a fascist? Do they compare you with pedophiles? Do they discriminate you in their shops, just because you happend to be religious? Do they try to convert you therapeutically?

            Really?

          • Chrissy Vee

            Christians call sin what it is. I have never called anyone here any of those things you mentioned. Reprobate is another word for depraved and it is mentioned in the Bible concerning homosexuals. In that matter, your fight is with God. We are just his messengers…here…on a Christian site.
            Now, for atheists to choose Christian news sites specifically just to offend Christians and their God, their belief and their faith… that’s pretty lame. You all antagonize and vomit out your opinions on your soap boxes and then demand we answer you, and in a way in which you approve. What the hell? Go somewhere else if you don’t like the truth or the backlash.
            And all businesses that have turned down gay marriage requests never turned away a gay patron. That is where there lies lack of undertanding among many people. Gay marriage was not legal before, and when the powers that be voted, they did not take into consideration ALL the people their abominable decision would affect. A person should have the right to not act against their conscience without losing everything they have. Many homosexuals actually agree with that.
            Therapeutic conversion? I have heard of counseling, which I believe should be available for anyone seeking it. If you are referring to the torture way back when, no, I do not condone in it. I think it’s sick.

          • John N

            >’Gay marriage was not legal before, and when the powers that be voted, they did not take into consideration ALL the people their abominable decision would affect. ‘

            In what way does same sex-marriage effects you? Do you feel less married, now that homosexuals have the same rights you have? Or did the fact that some people were not allowed to marry the one they loved, somehow made your marriage more valuable?

            >’I have heard of counseling, which I believe should be available for anyone seeking it. If you are referring to the torture way back when, no, I do not condone in it. I think it’s sick.’

            I’m glad you agree. But I don’t think it is way back then, in fact I think some of the commenters here would be happy if it became standard practice.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I will tell you how it affected me… I own a business that, if I choose to incorporate weddings, I better do gay ones, against my conscience , or else! Just like the others. So now, being the romantic I am, I have a choice… get sued or don’t do them. Doesn’t appear to be a choice there.
            I say, go get married. That’s between you and your maker. Don’t purposely drag Christian businesses into it when there are plenty of secular entities who will gladly participate. It’s rather gauche.
            And any Christian who wishes harm on any human being needs to repent before God. That is not the way we roll. Also, any person who thinks torturing another person is necessary to help them needs a dose of their own medicine.

          • John N

            So you have a conscience issue because the law requires you to do something you think is not allowed by your chosen religion.

            But you do not see any problem in discriminating people because of who or what they are?

            And even if you say Christians who wish to do harm on other people are clearly wrong, you don’t seem to mind that discriminating people is actually harming them?

            I guess religion is doing weird things with a persons mind.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Wow. You clearly do not read or maybe you just don’t understand what I write. I am not going in circles with you anymore. Believe what you will. Take what I say and give it your own meaning.
            T hat is your problem, not mine. Ciao.

          • John N

            So you’ve got no more arguments to defend your right to discriminate?

            That is your problem, not mine.

          • Michael Hampton

            Um…you actually have another choice. You can move to a city or state that still allows open discrimination against gay people. If your faith is so strongly against touching dirty gay money, then you can move to Alabama or Mississippi. Or I believe North Carolina still doesn’t have equal treatment laws in the smaller cities. Just like any of the 5 business owners who have broken the law that you keep claiming “lost everything.”

          • Chrissy Vee

            Without spiritual understanding, you will never get it. You all have the same arguments that make no sense, yet you feel compelled to spew them. I have spelled it out in black and white with much clarity, but you see what you want to see. I can move to another state… Good grief! Get real Michael.

          • Michael Hampton

            AGAIN, perhaps you were unaware but because of discrimination laws, gay couples had to move to different states in order to have their marriages recognized until just last year. Or do you not remember that.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Oh, now they were “discrimination laws”. I see.

          • acontraryview

            “I will tell you how it affected me… I own a business that, if I choose to incorporate weddings, I better do gay ones, against my conscience , or else! Just like the others.”

            Ya got a point there, Chrissy. Just like the people who believe that the Bible states that the races should not mix and yet are not legally allowed to turn away an interracial couple who want wedding services. Such a shame that you aren’t allowed to use your personal religious beliefs as a basis for discrimination in providing public accommodation.

            Oh, by the way, since you haven’t incorporated weddings into your business, it has not affected you. Further, unless you live in one of the few places where sexuality is a covered category in anti-discrimination laws, it would not affect you even if you did decide to incorporate weddings into your business.

            “Doesn’t appear to be a choice there.”

            You: “if I choose to incorporate weddings”
            You: “I have a choice”

            How is it that you have stated that you twice stated that you have a choice, but then state you don’t have a choice?

            “Don’t purposely drag Christian businesses into it when there are plenty of secular entities who will gladly participate.”

            From a legal standpoint, a business is secular.

            “And any Christian who wishes harm on any human being needs to repent before God.”

            Be sure to pass that along to all those so-called Christians who support laws banning two citizens of the same gender from entering into civil marriage, as those bans do harm them. Oh, and be sure to pass that along to those who believe that business owners should be able to discriminate in the provision of their services based upon the owner’s religious beliefs, as that also has the potential to cause harm.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Hello conratryview/DNelon. Sorry but I chose not to read or respond to your comments anymore a long time ago. Don’t waste your time. Please take note.

          • acontraryview

            “Sorry but I chose not to read or respond to your comments anymore a long time ago.”

            Why did you make that choice, Chrissy?

          • Michael Hampton

            In case you weren’t aware, you are posting your comments on a website. That website allows people from ANYWHERE to see them. Not just “christians”

          • Chrissy Vee

            Michael, Michael, my biggest fan. When you get a clue, get back to me. Until then, leave the godly understanding to the Christians. You’re lack of discernment will just keep putting you into a tizzy that I can not fix for you. I see by ALL your comments to me, we are not going to get anywhere. Please, I have humored you enough. Leave me be.

          • Michael Hampton

            I’m not the one who is upset that a gay man owns a chain of restaurants. If anyone is in a “tizzy” then it is you, lady. And I don’t think Jesus would approve of your condescending tone. He isn’t too fond of pride and hubris.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Upset? My my, you really do read into things that are not written. What you think about what Jesus thinks of MY behavior, well… um…

          • Michael Hampton

            Um…perhaps you missed the article that you are commenting on where it says that “christians” are upset that they can’t use torture to turn their kids straight. And WE are the bullies? Really?

          • Chrissy Vee

            I read the word counseling. But I will reread it incase I did miss that because that is not an acceptable Christian stance according to Jesus. That is just wrong.

          • Michael Hampton

            This article calls it “counseling” but the state law and the courts are calling it what it really is: torture.

          • Chrissy Vee

            ~After 1981, clinical techniques used in the U.S. have been limited to counseling, visualization, social skills training, psychoanalytic therapy, and spiritual interventions such as “prayer and group support and pressure,” though there are some reports of aversive treatments through unlicensed practice as late as the 1990s. ~Wikipedia
            In my opinion Cuomo’s outrage appears to be a moot point. He is a homosexual rights advocate and is angry that there are people out there who want to help the confused. There is deception here and I am not surprised. I am well aware of the agenda. I do not believe anyone should be forced into participating in any form of therapy they don’t want, but if someone is seeking answers, they should be able to have access to help.

          • Michael Hampton

            No. He stopped torture. That’ pretty much it. It has nothing to do with his feelings about gay people. It has to do with crackpot “christians” who think that they can “pray away the gay” and change their children’s sexual orientation through intimidation and lies. Answers is different from changing ones sexual identity.

          • Chrissy Vee

            “pray away the gay” hahaha… poetry in it’s finest.

          • vorpal

            If you are going to spew a lot of stupid ridiculous false garbage about us, don’t be surprised if we come and challenge you on your… =ahem=… “truth.”

            I speak up so that future generations of LGBT kids will have to less and less put up with evil liars and demonizers like you.

          • afchief

            The Case Against Homosexual Activity

            Some of the most emotional and divisive issues in our society—specifically issues such as homosexual marriage, adoption by homosexuals, and other “gay rights” issues—revolve around two central and critical issues. Those issues are: is homosexual activity moral and “legalizeable” or immoral and “illegalizeable”?

            If we can rationally conclude that homosexual activity is moral and that it should be protected via legislation, then by logical extension we must also conclude that such things as homosexual marriage and adoption should likewise be legal.

            Conversely, if we can rationally conclude that homosexual activity is immoral and “illegalizeable,” then by logical extension we must also conclude that homosexual marriage and adoption should be illegal.

            Or, to frame it another way: We have laws against such things as consenting-adult polygamy, consenting-adult incest, consenting-adult prostitution, consenting-adult exhibitionism, etc. For around two hundred years we had laws against consenting-adult homosexual activity—and the country did just fine. Does the elimination of the laws against homosexual activity (and marriage and adoption) make any sense?

            In an effort to bring clarity to these issues and to help unify us around truth, rather than keep us divided by untruth and confusion, what follows is a rigorously logical analysis of those aforementioned central homosexual issues.

            To begin, a little history. For many many years in this country homosexual activity was deemed immoral and was not legal. It was only first decriminalized in Illinois in 1961. Other states eventually followed the precedent Illinois set. Also, for decades the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality a disorder. The APA only removed homosexuality from its official list of psychological disorders in 1973. The APA’s controversial decision to do so was nowhere near a unanimous decision by its then members because—just as a female mind in a male body and a male mind in a female body are sure signs that something went wrong somewhere, in either nature and/or nurture—a homosexual mind in a heterosexual body was widely considered to be a disorder. The associated fact that homosexuals were basically impotent with the opposite gender also was part of the equation.

            Now, why was homosexual activity deemed immoral and why wasn’t it legal? And why do so many people still deem homosexual activity immoral?

            For centuries, the position of “traditional value” people re homosexual activity essentially boils down to this: homosexual activity is a negative deviation from the reasonable heterosexual norm; and if we condone homosexual deviations then we must fairly allow other aberrant people their own particular deviations.

            Members of our group have debated many homosexuals and their supporters over the years and we are stunned at how many of them hold this hypocritical and contradictory position: It is okay to “discriminate” against sexual deviants like exhibitionists (e.g., people who masturbate or have sex in public) and incestuous couples, even if these deviants are consenting adults and even if they aren’t hurting anybody; but it is NOT okay to “discriminate” against homosexual and bisexual deviants. They try to rationalize this absurd position by saying things like “Exhibitionists offend people.” We point out that tens of millions of Americans and several billion people around the world are offended by homosexual activity, such as public homosexual kissing and hand-holding. We don’t want to depress homosexuals and their supporters, but their position simply makes no sense. They ARE wrong. It is obvious to us and should be obvious to anyone NOT in denial about reality.

            Legal homosexual acts are bad legal and moral precedents. Let us explain in more detail.

            Can we justly discriminate in favor of some unreasonable deviations and against others? No. If we tolerate deviations from reasonable sexual standards, then we will fairly have to tolerate deviations from other reasonable standards because all of the different kinds of deviates will demand consistency from us and nondiscriminatory equal treatment.

            For example, many towns have ordinances restricting what people can do with their homes and yards. These towns want to prevent slums from forming and ruining their environments. Now, what if someone wants to move into a picturesque section of such a town and wants to have a yard of mud with paper littered around it and wants to have a house which has the exterior’s coating of paint badly chipped up? We should tolerate that if we tolerate homosexual acts.

            To those “freedom-loving” liberals who disagree with that last sentence, we can just ask them if they would outlaw any action that lowered someone’s property values. And if they would, we could point out that an openly homosexual person moving into a conservative area would likely lower property values in that area since many conservatives might decide to move out of that area, just like black people moving into certain predominantly white areas can unfortunately and wrongly cause “white flight” and lower property values. Does that mean liberals would agree to outlaw homosexual behavior in that geographic area? Or would they outlaw black people moving into certain white areas of the country? This gives the reader an idea of the kind of legal and moral swamp liberal extremists are wont to create. (Let us remember that trial lawyers, who are big contributors to liberal Democrat politicians, thrive when our laws are confusing and contradictory. Do liberal politicians intentionally create confusing laws which help keep trial lawyers busy as a payback for campaign contributions by those lawyers?)

            And if liberals would not outlaw actions that lower property values, then if they tolerate homosexual deviations they would fairly have to tolerate other deviations (as the aforementioned pig sties). In either case, whether “freedom-loving” liberals would choose to outlaw actions that lower property values or not outlaw, the consequences are very messy for them and their ideology. Once they’ve established the principle that negative deviations from reasonable norms are okay, to selectively apply that principle is discriminatory.

            Incidentally, we should stress that we are NOT arguing that homosexual activity is a heinous crime, just as we would not say stealing a penny is a heinous crime. But just like legalizing the stealing of a penny is an absurd legal precedent (why not then legalize stealing two pennies? a nickel? a dollar? etc.), so legalizing homosexual deviations is an absurd legal precedent.

            Homosexuals like to say, as part of their defense of homosexual acts, that they are not hurting anybody when they engage in such acts (though, because they do tend to be more promiscuous than “normal,” they do spread more sexual diseases per capita than more sexually “normal” people). Well, people who live in an ugly pig sty like the one described above can say the same thing about that pig sty—it doesn’t hurt anybody. That does not carry much weight. Many actions are wrong that do not “hurt” anybody.

            If we tolerate such deviations we will wind up with an ugly, confused, and sick society. Let us learn from the decay and fall of the great Roman and Greek societies, which came to value debauchery. Once people depart from decent moral standards it is frequently all downhill after that because it is harder to be moral than immoral, generally speaking. This is because being moral requires some effort (self-restraint or self-denial), and people tend to take the “path of least resistance.”

            Indeed, over the last 40 years or so, as our society has become more accepting of immoral behavior, our divorce rate has soared, as has the out-of-wedlock birthrate and teen suicide rate, we have seen the rise of an epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases, etc., etc.

            Thus, we should ever try to see to it that morality is the path of least resistance by creating inhibitions to immorality, by at least attaching serious social stigmas to immorality and preferably by illegalizing immoral behavior. (To those who say that we cannot legislate morality, we can reply that outlawing murder, rape, theft, racist behaviors, sexist behaviors, indecent exposure, disturbing the peace, etc., etc., is legislating morality and is obviously proper.)

            Ultimately, all the rules or laws against homosexual activity, normal or deviant sex in public, indecent exposure, obscene literature and videos, the utterance of certain swearwords in public or using them in newspapers and magazines and on TV and radio—all the rules or laws against those things rest on the same basis as the laws or ordinances against the existence of such things as ugly, unkempt houses and yards. What is that basis? Nothing more than this: a large number of people find such things unpleasant or offensive or repugnant, etc., etc.

            It is a matter of maintaining high standards at the least, and at the most of slowly raising those standards as we make society better. Allowing people to lower our standards, to take us down toward a more animalistic state of being, is to allow people to slowly ruin our advanced and advancing society.

            Sure we can survive (after a fashion) if we allow (for examples) public heterosexual or homosexual sexual activity, but what kind of life would that be? Sure we can survive in a muddy, unkempt, littered, ugly neighborhood (as opposed to a grassy, flowered, neat neighborhood), but what kind of life is that?

        • tatoo

          When did you decide to be straight? Actually, you sound like someone who does have an attraction to the same sex and is in super denial. I hope you don’t have children.

        • [email protected]

          So your theory is that kids are taught that homosexuality is normal and thus start to engage in it as a result of that. Okay well I was raised in a very religiously conservative home in a religious school and was never taught that homosexuality was okay and yet I still ended up being gay. So if homosexuality is something that is taught then how did I become gay? And how to people become gay in places where homosexuality is not presented in the educational system as a normal part of human sexuality?

          • afchief

            Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of Homosexuality?

            http://www.home60515. com/3.html

          • [email protected]

            there is no evidence to support the claim that homosexuality is caused by sexual abuse. first off correlation is not the same thing as causation. secondly there are many people who are sexually abused and do not become gay and many people who are gay but were never sexually abused. for example I am gay but was never sexually abused. so what would be the explanation in my case?

          • afchief

            As I have told you elsewhere, you sin nature is what caused it. Something or someone opened the door to homosexuality when you were young. You are NOT born this way.

          • vorpal

            So… your strategy to explain being gay is simply to come up with yet another hypothesis every time someone shoots down your old one?

            Yeah, I’ve seen that technique from NARTH: lists with dozens and dozens of “causes” of homosexuality, with so many that at least a few will apply to every single person – regardless of sexual orientation – in the world.

          • afchief

            Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of Homosexuality?

            It is a well-documented fact that many many homosexuals were sexually abused when young. (This paper will conclude with a list of some books which support that statement.)

            In other words, there is an abundance of evidence that many many homosexuals were born heterosexual but were disoriented by sexual abuse.

            Indeed, there are many more cases of sexual abuse than there are cases of homosexuality. As one large study discussed in a 1997 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found, on average 12.8% of women and 4.3% of men recall being sexually abused.1 (How many do not recall it?)

            According to Dr. James E. Soukup, author of a book which deals with several subjects including sexual abuse: “In one national study in 1985, 27 percent of the females interviewed and 16 percent of the males reported to have been sexually abused as children. Other studies indicate that these figures are too low. It is suggested that eighty percent of all sexual abuse is not reported.”2

            The Associated Press noted in late 1998 that, according to an analysis of 166 studies covering the years 1985-97: “As many as one in five boys is sexually abused….It [also] concluded that sexual abuse of boys is underreported and undertreated….Earlier studies have shown that 25 percent to 35 percent of girls are sexually abused.”3

            (According to a JAMA review of literature re the sexual abuse of boys, only 10%-33% of male abuse victims ever tell anyone about that abuse.4 The review also found that: “Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused.”5 And regarding female abuse victims, one study found that 38% of adult women ages 18-31 who were sexually abused when young [between ages 10 months to 12 years] did not remember that they were sexually abused when young.6)

            According to an article in Newsweek: “University of New Hampshire professor David Finkelhor, widely considered the premier researcher on crimes against children,…finds that 21 percent of all girls and at least 3 (but more likely 10) percent of boys are sexually victimized by age 17.”7

            Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is homosexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of homosexuality.

            Too, there currently is no definitive proof that anyone is born homosexual. Several studies by homosexual researchers claimed to find some possible biological bases for homosexuality. But other scientists easily pointed out the flaws in those studies, and the results of those studies have yet to be replicated by others. In the words of pro-homosexual Newsweek magazine: “In the early ’90s, three highly publicized studies seemed to suggest that homosexuality’s roots were genetic….More than five years later the data have never been replicated.”8 (This fact has been almost totally ignored by the biased, untrustworthy, dominant liberal media.) And in the May/June 2008 issue of Psychology Today we have this: “No one has yet identified a particular gay gene….There is no all-inclusive explanation for the variation in sexual orientation, at least none supported by actual evidence….[T]here are many different mechanisms [involving both nature and nurture], not a single one, for producing homosexuality.”9

            So how can anyone claim, in good conscience, that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice? When someone says they are homosexual, our first response should be to try and find out if he/she was sexually abused and, if so, to then punish the abuser. Our next response should be to provide therapy to homosexuals to help them cope with their problems.

            Those who push the born-homosexual line are effectively ignoring the sexual abuse of children. What kind of “people” want to let pedophiles get away with sexually abusing little kids?

            (If sexual abuse happens to a one-year or two-year old child, he or she may not remember it later in life because it happened at such a young age. However, the trauma can govern the rest of the victim’s life. Some homosexuals will swear they were never sexually abused, but they have no way of knowing for sure.)

            Skilled psychologists and psychiatrists like Masters and Johnson, Charles Socarides, Joseph Nicolosi, Benjamin Kaufman, Elizabeth Moberly, Jeffrey Satinover, and Gerard van den Aardweg, have had success changing homosexuals into heterosexuals. (They have been successful because most if not all homosexuals were probably born heterosexual.)

            Dr. Reuben Fine, Director of the New York Center for Psychoanalytic Training: “It is paradoxical that even though the politically active homosexual group[s] denies the possibility of change, all studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment used….If the homosexual patients were motivated, whatever procedure [i.e., treatment] is adopted, a large percentage will give up their homosexuality.”10

            Those who oppose using therapy to change homosexuals into heterosexuals are, in effect, trying to keep homosexuals locked into homosexuality. Those who oppose such therapy do not want homosexuals to have a choice, a way out of homosexuality. That’s un-American, inhumane, intolerant, and meanly oppressive.

            In addition, considering all the solid scientific evidence that many homosexuals are mentally disturbed to one degree or another because of sexual abuse (or dysfunctional parents or other negative developmental influences many homosexuals experienced), it is clear that those psychiatrists and psychologists who say homosexuality should NOT be on the officially approved list of mental illnesses are seemingly incompetent malpractitioners. They appear to be more interested in being “politically correct” than in the truth. Incompetent malpractitioners should have their licenses to ply their professions revoked.

            (A book written by Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, titled Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis, explains how the decision to remove homosexuality from the officially approved list of mental disorders was based on power politics and intimidation by homosexual groups NOT science.)

            One last note: Homosexuals do not want you to know that many of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others. And homosexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are.11 (Note of clarification: While that is a fact, there is no proof at this time that it is because of their homosexuality, but rather because so many of them were sexually abused themselves.)

          • vorpal

            Yes, we are all apparently liars, covering up sexual abuse.
            Or maybe you just want to believe what you want to believe because the truth doesn’t interest you in the slightest when you think you know the “Truth.”

            Oh, and with regards to sexual abuse: correlation is not causation.

          • John N

            >’One last note: Homosexuals do not want you to know that many of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others.’

            So if they admit they were sexuality abused when young, it proves your point. And if they don’t admit they were sexuality abused when young, they also prove your point.

            I guess with this kind of logic you must also be able to prove your god really exists. Oh, actually, this is the way ….

          • afchief

            I have found homosexuals to be liars. They will lie about their past as to why they turned to homosexuality.

            I see it 100% of the time.

          • John N

            Of course afchief, all homosexuals are known to be lying 100% of the time.

            They really don’t want to be treated equally. They really don’t want to be able to marry. It is all just a conspiracy.

            All they really want is to harass honest, god-fearing Christians like you, seduce your wife and daughters, trample your holy book, give your god the finger and eat chocolat ice cream as much as they can.

            Clever of you to see through their disguise. No get like the hell back to your basement, because their black helicopters will arrive soon. And you know when that happens …

          • afchief

            Of course, they/you are liars!! They/you lie about the health hazards of homosexuality. They/you lie about the perversion and deviant lifestyle of homosexuality. They/you lie about how they came to be a homosexual. I could go on but I won’t. When you have been given over to a reprobate mind, you lie. I see it 100% of the time!!!!!!!

            Marriage has been and always will be between one man and one woman, period. Marriage is the fundamental building block of all human civilization, and has been across cultural and religious lines for 5000+ years. Law cannot be divorced from reality—from nature. The two sexes are complementary, not undifferentiated. This is a fact of nature, thus given by God. No government has the right to alter what is true by nature.

            Promiscuity is rampant among homosexuals, including those who are married. Various studies indicate that gays average somewhere between 10 and 110 different sex partners per year. The New York Times, among many other sources, reported the finding that exclusivity was not the norm among gay partners: “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations. ‘Openness’ and ‘flexibility’ of gay relationships are euphemisms for sexual infidelity.” One study showed that only 4.5% of homosexual males said they were faithful to their current partner, compared to 85% of heterosexual married women and 75.5% of heterosexual married men. Promiscuity is a destabilizing influence on society.

          • afchief

            10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed

            1. It Is Not Marriage
            2. It Violates Natural Law
            3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
            4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle
            5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right
            6. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
            7. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
            8. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
            9. It Is the Cutting Edge of the Sexual Revolution
            10. It Offends God

            http://www.tfpstudentaction. org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html

        • vorpal

          <— Gay as the day is long. I started to realize it when I was four, and knew it for certain when I was seven. Never was remotely a point of confusion for me.

          Also, I never met another gay person until I was almost 19, so no, I was never recruited or encouraged into anything. Had an awesome childhood, with a great relationship with both of my parents (who are still married and love each other very much), a younger brother I care very much for, and plenty of male friends.

          Been married (and yes, we are monogamous) with my husband for nearly 12 years now, and both of us are quite traditionally masculine: indeed, most people think we are brothers when they first meet us and are quite surprised to learn otherwise.

          You people can keep spewing your nonsense, but it is Christianity that requires recruitment, and not homosexuality.

          • afchief

            Homosexuality is a sickness. It is disgusting!!!

            On The Unhealthy Homosexual Lifestyle

            Medical researchers have known for many years that the “homosexual lifestyle” is a very disease-ridden lifestyle. (The fact that the dominant liberal media are downplaying and/or ignoring and/or censoring the following crucial information should give you a clue as to just how biased, untrustworthy, corrupt, and potentially detrimental they can be.)

            For example, one 1982 study mentioned in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that the anal cancer rate for homosexuals is way above normal, maybe as high as 50 times normal.1 And a 1997 New England Journal of Medicine study again drew attention to the “strong association between anal cancer and male homosexual contact.”2 (The reason for the connection is that the lining of the anus, as opposed to the much thicker lining of the vagina, is only a single cell in thickness, tears easily, and thus is an easy point of entry for viruses and bacteria. Just as repeatedly assaulting lung tissue with cigarette smoke increases one’s lung cancer risk, repeatedly damaging the anus and rectum increases one’s anal cancer risk. Anal sex frequently results in damage to the anus and rectum. Too, this helps explain why AIDS is spread so easily in the homosexual community. However, even when there are not any tears in the anal lining, there is still a high risk for HIV infection because certain cells in its mucous lining [M-cells and Langerhans cells] can be infected and will then carry HIV deeper into one’s body.)

            Another study found that: 1) 80% of syphilitic patients are homosexual; 2) about one-third of homosexuals are infected with active anorectal herpes simplex viruses; 3) chlamydia infects 15% of homosexuals; and 4) “a host of parasites, bacterial, viral, and protozoan are all rampant in the homosexual population.”3

            Another study found that: 1) amoebiasis, a parasitic disease, afflicts around 32% of homosexuals; 2) giardiasis, also a parasitic disease, afflicts 14% of homosexuals (no heterosexuals in the study were found to have either amoebiasis or giardiasis); 3) gonorrhea afflicts 14% of homosexuals; and 4) 11% of homosexuals had anal warts.4

            Another study found that anorectal sepsis, a potentially toxic bacterial infection, is 4 times more common in homosexual than heterosexual men.5

            According to another study, the “prevalence of EBV type 2 [the Epstein-Barr type 2 virus] among homosexual men was significantly higher than it was among heterosexual men (39% vs. 6%).”6 (That virus causes infectious mononucleosis and is associated with two types of cancer: Burkitt’s lymphoma and nasopharyngeal carcinoma.)

            And other studies have found abnormally high rates of hepatitis B infection,7 hepatitis A infection,8 prostate cancer,9 colitis, enteritis, proctitis, and proctocolitis10 in homosexual men.

            In 1997 a writer for the pro-homosexual New York Times noted that a young male homosexual in America has about a 50% chance of getting H.I.V. by middle age, that many homosexuals have abandoned “safe sex” in favor of unprotected anal sex, and that the incidence of gonorrhea rose 74% among homosexuals between 1993 and 1996.11

            According to a study by the CDC, in 2002, 88% of San Francisco syphilis cases were found among homo/bisexual men.12

            The Chicago Department of Public Health reported that the percentage of Chicago AIDS diagnoses connected to homo/bisexual men increased from 37% in year 2000 to 44% in 2003; and in mid-2006 it also reported that homo/bisexual men accounted for approximately 73% of Chicago syphilis cases for the year 2005. And a September 2010 report from the Centers for Disease Control titled “HIV among Gay, Bisexual and Other Men Who Have Sex with Men (MSM)” noted: “Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the US population, yet are the population most severely affected by HIV and are the only risk group in which new HIV infections have been increasing steadily since the early 1990s….At the end of 2006, more than half (53%) of all people living with HIV in the United States were MSM or MSM-IDU [injection drug user].” And according to a CDC report, 75% of syphilis cases in this country were found in homo/bisexuals in 2012.

            Regarding HIV/AIDS, the HIV/AIDS rate for homo/bisexual males, even after all the years of warnings, continues to be so abnormally high that the Sept./Oct. 2012 edition of The Gay & Lesbian Review actually described HIV/AIDS as a “Gay Disease” and “primarily a ‘gay’ problem” and noted that “Gay men are sixty times more likely than heterosexual men…to be diagnosed with HIV.”13

          • vorpal

            You’re just copy-pasting things that other people wrote, and which don’t even deal with the points I brought up.

            Anyways, since you are incapable of actually having a discussion, as funny as it is to laugh at your absurd misconceptions and claims, I’m done.

            Oh, and no, the lining of the anus is not a single cell in thickness. =rolls eyes=

        • Michael Hampton

          I was taught from a very young age that I should be straight. It didn’t work.

          • afchief

            It’s called the “sin nature”. We all have it. Your sin is homosexuality.

          • Michael Hampton

            No. It’s not. And that doesn’t answer my comment of you thinking that straight kids will somehow magically become gay if they learn that gay people exist. That is a lie. I proved it by saying that the reverse isn’t true and you simply said, “so what, you are still going to hell.” How “Christian” of you.

          • afchief

            Yes, homosexuality IS sin. The Bible contains 9 specific references to homosexuality: 4 in the Old Testament (Genesis 19:1-25; Judges 19:22-30; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13) and 5 in the New Testament (Romans 1:24-28; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; 1 Timothy 1:8-11; 2 Peter 2:6-10; Jude 1:7). The passage in Romans, in particular is so clear that it seems to have been written by St. Paul in anticipation that people might challenge the idea that homosexual behavior is wrong (in case you don’t get it, let me make it perfectly clear!). In addition, there are numerous other passages that touch on this topic indirectly through comments on the biblical view of marriage and family, promiscuity, and sexual purity. Included in these references are Genesis 2:18-25; Proverbs 18:22; Mark 7:21; 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5; Romans 6:13; Romans 13:13; 1 Corinthians 6:13; 1 Corinthians 6:18-19; Galatians 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; Revelation 21:8; Revelation 22:15.

            Homosexual behavior is always discussed in the Bible as a serious sin. It is usually not singled out, but listed among other particularly heinous sins as examples of how depraved one can become. It is discussed in the context of idolatry. Idolatry is a most serious offense against God, and its seriousness helps explain why homosexual behavior was a capital offense in the Old Testament. Historical Christian interpretation has consistently viewed homosexual behavior as sinful. The modern word sodomy even comes from the biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah.

          • Michael Hampton

            According to “christians” the old testament laws are no longer binding so all of that means nothing. And the actual Aramaic word used was not “homosexual” because the idea of a modern homosexual relationship wasn’t even an idea at that time. It was usually older men raping young boys. Which is why the ancient hebrew word used most often was “kedah” and the ancient Greek word used often was “malakos” neither of which means “homosexual” so your cries are falling on deaf ears because there is no word for “homosexual” in the Bible. You are being lied to. And you are believing the lies and repeating them. Making you a sinner. You should repent.

          • afchief

            Why would homosexuality be an abomination in the OT and not in the NT? What changed? The acts of homosexuality are still perverted, deviant and extremely dangerous. Nothing has changed.

            It IS sin!!! Why are you here? The Christian view on homosexuality lines up with the Word of God! You think otherwise because you have been given over to do these things which are not proper (homosexuality). It is QUITE OBVIOUS!!!!

            Romans 1:18-28 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

            24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

          • Michael Hampton

            The word “homosexual” didn’t appear in the Bible until 1946. Your lies are destroyed.

          • afchief

            Sorry! But the act of homosexuality is. It IS perverted. It is deviant. It is dangerous. It is sin. It is death!

          • Michael Hampton

            So is the act of being a complete and total jerk. You had better pray. Remember, if you call someone names, the Bible says that you are going to hell. Enjoy sitting on Hitler’s lap!

          • afchief

            Ohhh and it’s disgusting!!!!

          • Michael Hampton

            So are you, pal. So are you.

          • Michael Hampton

            Why would wearing 2 different fabrics bring the wrath of God in the Old Testament but not in the new?

          • afchief

            More proof that you have been given over to a reprobate mind Oshtur!!!

            We are talking about what comes from the heart. Not what you wear.

            Homosexuality is perverted. It is deviant. It is dangerous. It IS sin. It is death!!!

      • afchief

        Love Isn’t Enough: 5 Reasons Why Same-Sex Marriage Will Harm Children

        By Trayce Hansen, Ph.D.

        Proponents of same-sex marriage believe the only thing children really need is love. Based on that supposition, they conclude it’s just as good for children to be raised by loving parents of the same sex, as it is to be raised by loving parents of the opposite sex. Unfortunately, that basic assumption—and all that flows from it—is false. Because love isn’t enough!

        All else being equal, children do best when raised by a married mother and father. It’s within this environment that children are most likely to be exposed to the emotional and psychological experiences they need in order to thrive.

        Men and women bring diversity to parenting; each makes unique contributions to the rearing of children that can’t be replicated by the other. Mothers and fathers simply are not interchangeable. Two women can both be good mothers, but neither can be a good father.

        So here are five reasons why it’s in the best interest of children to be raised by both a mother and a father:

        First, mother-love and father-love—though equally important—are qualitatively different and produce distinct parent-child attachments. Specifically, it’s the combination of the unconditional-leaning love of a mother and the conditional-leaning love of a father that’s essential to a child’s development. Either of these forms of love without the other can be problematic. Because what a child needs is the complementary balance the two types of parental love and attachment provide.

        Only heterosexual parents offer children the opportunity to develop relationships with a parent of the same, as well as the opposite sex. Relationships with both sexes early in life make it easier for a child to relate to both sexes later in life. For a girl, that means she’ll better understand and appropriately interact with the world of men and be more comfortable in the world of women. And for a boy, the converse will hold true. Having a relationship with “the other”—an opposite sexed parent—also increases the likelihood that a child will be more empathetic and less narcissistic.

        Secondly, children progress through predictable and necessary developmental stages. Some stages require more from a mother, while others require more from a father. For example, during infancy, babies of both sexes tend to do better in the care of their mother. Mothers are more attuned to the subtle needs of their infants and thus are more appropriately responsive. However, at some point, if a young boy is to become a competent man, he must detach from his mother and instead identify with his father. A fatherless boy doesn’t have a man with whom to identify and is more likely to have trouble forming a healthy masculine identity.

        A father teaches a boy how to properly channel his aggressive and sexual drives. A mother can’t show a son how to control his impulses because she’s not a man and doesn’t have the same urges as one. A father also commands a form of respect from a boy that a mother doesn’t––a respect more likely to keep the boy in line. And those are the two primary reasons why boys without fathers are more likely to become delinquent and end up incarcerated.

        Father-need is also built into the psyche of girls. There are times in a girl’s life when only a father will do. For instance, a father offers a daughter a safe, non-sexual place to experience her first male-female relationship and have her femininity affirmed. When a girl doesn’t have a father to fill that role she’s more likely to become promiscuous in a misguided attempt to satisfy her inborn hunger for male attention and validation.

        Overall, fathers play a restraining role in the lives of their children. They restrain sons from acting out antisocially, and daughters from acting out sexually. When there’s no father to perform this function, dire consequences often result both for the fatherless children and for the society in which these children act out their losses.

        Third, boys and girls need an opposite-sexed parent to help them moderate their own gender-linked inclinations. As example, boys generally embrace reason over emotion, rules over relationships, risk-taking over caution, and standards over compassion, while girls generally embrace the reverse. An opposite-sexed parent helps a child keep his or her own natural proclivities in check by teaching—verbally and nonverbally—the worth of the opposing tendencies. That teaching not only facilitates moderation, but it also expands the child’s world—helping the child see beyond his or her own limited vantage point.

        Fourth, same-sex marriage will increase sexual confusion and sexual experimentation by young people. The implicit and explicit message of same-sex marriage is that all choices are equally acceptable and desirable. So, even children from traditional homes—influenced by the all-sexual-options-are-equal message—will grow up thinking it doesn’t matter whom one relates to sexually or marries. Holding such a belief will lead some—if not many—impressionable young people to consider sexual and marital arrangements they never would have contemplated previously. And children from homosexual families, who are already more likely to experiment sexually, would do so to an even greater extent, because not only was non-traditional sexuality role-modeled by their parents, it was also approved by their society.

        There is no question that human sexuality is pliant. Think of ancient Greece or Rome—among many other early civilizations—where male homosexuality and bisexuality were nearly ubiquitous. This was not so because most of those men were born with a “gay gene,” rather it was because homosexuality was condoned by those societies. That which a society sanctions, it gets more of.

        And fifth, if society permits same-sex marriage, it also will have to allow other types of marriage. The legal logic is simple: If prohibiting same-sex marriage is discriminatory, then disallowing polygamous marriage, polyamorous marriage, or any other marital grouping will also be deemed discriminatory. The emotional and psychological ramifications of these assorted arrangements on the developing psyches and sexuality of children would be disastrous. And what happens to the children of these alternative marriages if the union dissolves and each parent then “remarries”? Those children could end up with four fathers, or two fathers and four mothers, or, you fill in the blank.

        Certainly homosexual couples can be just as loving as heterosexual couples, but children require more than love. They need the distinctive qualities and the complementary natures of a male and female parent.

        The accumulated wisdom of over 5,000 years has concluded that the ideal marital and parental configuration is composed of one man and one woman. Arrogantly disregarding such time-tested wisdom, and using children as guinea pigs in a radical experiment, is risky at best, and cataclysmic at worst.

        Same-sex marriage definitely isn’t in the best interest of children. And although we empathize with those homosexuals who long to be married and parent children, we mustn’t allow our compassion for them to trump our compassion for children. In a contest between the desires of some homosexuals and the needs of all children, we can’t allow the children to lose.

        http://www.drtraycehansen. com/Pages/writings_samesex.html

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Oh look who hasn’t an opinion of his own. Copy-pasting again?

          • afchief

            I just loveeeee the truth!!! Don’t you?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            What truth? The bullc rap you post? Don’t make me laugh. Actually do, could use it.

          • afchief

            Ahhh yes, more proof that the Word of God is soooooo true!!!

            Romans 1:28 (NASB) And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Actually this is boring. Got nothing better?

          • vorpal

            I know plenty of gay Christians. Atheism rates are probably higher (thankfully!) in the LGBT community because of bad experiences with supposedly “loving” Christians and a lifetime of being rejected by Christians telling LGBT people that they cannot be gay and Christian.

            I think conservative Christianity is one of the most vile blights ever afflicted on humanity, so while I don’t want to see my LGBT siblings suffer, I am glad that they endure and are able to climb their way out of their childhood indoctrination of Christianity and back into reality.

      • George

        but doesn’t it go vice versa? we are now brainwashing kids its ok to be homosexual…

        • John N

          Brainwashing children is forcing them to believe something that is false.

          There is nothing false in saying being gay is as normal and natural as being straight.

      • FoJC_Forever

        Sin brings consequences. Homosexuals, all of them, struggle with emotional problems they have to keep in check, many even with health problems, because of the sin they practice. Brainwashing a child into believing his or her sexual lust for the same gender is okay actually does more harm than good.

        The Good News is that Jesus will save homosexuals from their Sin and forgive the sins they have committed, and not just the sin of homosexuality. He will give them new – tangible – Life.

        Follow Jesus, find Salvation.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          And another Christian who thinks he knows people better then they know themselves. And I guess you too talked to every homosexual? Riiiiiight.

    • gizmo23

      It is not illegal the state just won’t support it. I wish folks would read before posting!!!

      • bowie1

        But do the counselors need a license to practice?

        • gizmo23

          No not here

    • acontraryview

      “So even if the youth wants it is now illegal in New York”

      No, it is not illegal. It just will not be paid for by state agencies or insurance companies.

    • vorpal

      Why would the government pay for a harmful treatment that has a near-zero success rate?

      If a kid is depressed about being gay, the kid can see a therapist who will help them explore their feelings on the subject and why they are depressed over it.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Homosexuality is not a mental illness. It is a sin of the flesh. ‘Mental health professionals’ are not endowed by God to help people overcome temptation. In fact, the often exasperate the problem. The only way out of homosexuality is through Jesus (the) Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    People keep slotting back to bad religion and false doctrine, just because new false doctrine or greater rejection of God comes into play. People don’t need that “old time religion”, they need a real relationship with Jesus (the) Christ, being baptized by Him with the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, people have become accustomed to choosing the “lesser of two evils”, and don’t turn to God for the answers and solutions to their fleshly problems.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

    • afchief

      Yes, homosexuality is a sin of the flesh! We Christians know it. And we know who is behind this sin.

      Eph 6:12

      • Bob Johnson

        Slow down. You’re having a bad day. FoJC said it is a sin of the flesh. What FoJC said is that it isn’t a mental illness. I’m sure you can cut and paste a long article to prove that it is a mental illness.

        • afchief

          Since you asked, I will deliver!!!

          Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went Away

          by PHIL HICKEY on OCTOBER 8, 2011

          According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II. (The DSM – Diagnostic and Statistical Manual – is the APA’s standard classification of their so-called mental disorders, and is used by many mental health workers in the USA and other countries.)

          Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

          What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

          The APA claimed that they made the change because new research showed that most homosexual people were content with their sexual orientation, and that as a group, they appeared to be as well-adjusted as heterosexual people. I suggest, however, that these research findings were simply the APA’s face-saver. For centuries, perhaps millennia, homosexual people had clung to their sexual orientation despite the most severe persecution and vilification, including imprisonment and death. Wouldn’t this suggest that they were happy with their orientation? Do we need research to confirm this? And if we do, shouldn’t we also need research to confirm that heterosexual people are happy with their orientation? And if poor adjustment is critical to a diagnosis of mental illness, where was the evidence of this that justified making homosexuality a mental illness in the first place?

          Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.

          Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events. The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the change was prompted by research findings.

          So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote! I remember as a boy reading of the United Nations World Health Organization’s decision to eradicate smallpox. This was in 1967, and by 1977, after a truly staggering amount of work, the disease was a thing of the past. Why didn’t they just take a vote? Because smallpox is a real illness. The human problems listed in DSM are not. It’s that simple. You can say that geese are swans – but in reality they’re still geese.

          The overall point being that the APA’s taxonomy is nothing more than self-serving nonsense. Real illnesses are not banished by voting or by fiat, but by valid science and hard work. There are no mental illnesses. Rather, there are people. We have problems; we have orientations; we have habits; we have perspectives. Sometimes we do well, other times we make a mess of things. We are complicated. Our feelings fluctuate with our circumstances, from the depths of despondency to the pinnacles of bliss. And perhaps, most of all, we are individuals. DSM’s facile and self-serving attempt to medicalize human problems is an institutionalized insult to human dignity. The homosexual community has managed to liberate themselves from psychiatric oppression. But there are millions of people worldwide who are still being damaged, stigmatized, and disempowered by this pernicious system to this day.

          • [email protected]

            Homosexuality was de-listed as a disorder because there was never any justification for its listing in the first place. It was listed as such not because it fit the criteria for a disorder but because of public condemnation for homosexuality. Indeed in the past treating it as a disorder was seen as a compassionate approach as opposed to treating it like a crime. If one wants to argue that it is a disorder it is not enough to point to the past and say that it used to be listed but rather one must actual make the case for why it fits the criteria of a disorder.

          • afchief

            If two men having anal sex is not a disorder?!?!?!?!? Then I don’t know what is???????/

          • [email protected]

            why would it be a disorder? it does not harm them nor does it impede their ability to function in life. the fact that you consider it to be morally wrong does not make it a disorder. look at the requirements for listing something as a mental disorder and you will see why it does not fit the criteria.

          • afchief

            It sure is a disorder!! Then anus is NOT a sexual organ. God made it for ONE reason and one reason only!!! It is dirty and extremely dangerous! This is the main cause of HIV. This is why homo men over the years require diapers. They no longer have function of their parts back there.

            IT IS A DISORDER

          • [email protected]

            The hand and the mouth are also nor sexual organs and yet you can use both to bring the penis to orgasm. You say it was made for one reason and one reason only but there is no secular reason to believe that and thus it does not serve as an argument for stating that it is a disorder. Indeed the fact that it is sized correctly to accommodate a penis and that the prostate is stimulated via anal penetration would both suggest that it can very much be used for this purpose. Indeed we use many parts of our bodies for more than one purpose. If you do it in a safe and responsible manner it is not dirty or dangerous and so the problem is not homosexuality but when people fail to engage in a responsible manner with sex. Supporting responsible behavior with things like marriage is the way to reduce irresponsible behavior. Also the assertion that over the years gay men require diapers is a myth.

          • afchief

            Your posts are proof that the Word of God is sooooo true. You have been given over to a reprobate (depraved) mind to do things improper.

            Romans 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

            Homosexuality is perverted, deviant, and extremely dangerous. It is sin. It is death.

          • [email protected]

            you are misunderstanding the point of that verse as i have detailed in my other reply to you. as to your points it is my contention that no, it is not perverted, it is not deviant, and as i have already explained no it is not extremely dangerous. I would also say that while certain forms of having sex with someone of the same sex can be sin, just as with heterosexuality, it is not always sinful and there is a moral path for homosexual activity, just as there is with heterosexuality.

          • afchief

            It is perverted!!! It is deviant!!! It is extremely dangerous!!! It is sin!! It is death!!!

            Everyone Should Know These Statistics on Homosexuals

            Frank Joseph, M.D.

            What is being pawned off on our children and grandchildren in public schools is the story that to be homosexual or lesbian is just another normal alternative lifestyle.

            Any of you, who have children in public schools, it would behoove you to print out the following and mail it to the principal of your child’s school, with a little note stating:

            I don’t know if the students at (name of school) are being indoctrinated that homosexuality is just another normal alternative lifestyle. If you have been, then you should print out the following and have it passed out to your students, as the truth must be told in order to preserve their health and avoid cutting off about 15-20 years of their life span.

            If the authorities give you a hard time, I would take my child out of that school and put him/her in a private school, and if you cannot afford it, I would homeschool him/her. And you can tell that to the principal.

            Or, you can wait until one day, your child comes home and says, “Mom, I think I’m homosexual.”

            I just heard that in the Los Angeles school district that the enrollments are considerably down (20-30,000) and has caused much grief to the school hierarchy, as the amount of money received is based on the number of students. Probably because more parents are homeschooling.

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            The statistics on homosexuality and its effects

            Some statistics about the homosexual lifestyle:

            One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).

            One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.

            Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting (7).

            Many homosexuals don’t pay heed to warnings of their lifestyles: “Knowledge of health guidelines was quite high, but this knowledge had no relation to sexual behavior” (16).

            Homosexuals got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s by storming the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) conference on successive years. “Guerrilla theater tactics and more straight-forward shouting matches characterized their presence” (2). Since homosexuality has been removed from the APA list of mental illnesses, so has pedophilia (except when the adult feels “subjective distress”) (27).

            Homosexuals account for 3-4% of all gonorrhea cases, 60% of all syphilis cases, and 17% of all hospital admissions (other than for STDs) in the United States (5). They make up only 1-2% of the population.

            Homosexuals live unhealthy lifestyles, and have historically accounted for the bulk of syphilis, gonorrhea, Hepatitis B, the “gay bowel syndrome” (which attacks the intestinal tract), tuberculosis and cytomegalovirus (27).

            73% of psychiatrists say homosexuals are less happy than the average person, and of those psychiatrists, 70% say that the unhappiness is NOT due to social stigmatization (13).

            25-33% of homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics (11).

            Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film “The Castro”, one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to “cruisy areas” and have anonymous sex.

            78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

            Judge John Martaugh, chief magistrate of the New York City Criminal Court has said, “Homosexuals account for half the murders in large cities” (10).

            Captain William Riddle of the Los Angeles Police says, “30,000 sexually abused children in Los Angeles were victims of homosexuals” (10).

            50% of suicides can be attributed to homosexuals (10).

            Dr. Daniel Capron, a practicing psychiatrist, says, “Homosexuality by definition is not healthy and wholesome. The homosexual person, at best, will be unhappier and more unfulfilled than the sexually normal person” (10). For other psychiatrists who believe that homosexuality is wrong, please see National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.

            It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).

            Gay parade in New York

            Close-up of one of the New York “Gay Parades”

            Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.

            Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).

            37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).

            41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).

            Depending on the city, 39-59% of homosexuals are infected with intestinal parasites like worms, flukes and amoebae, which is common in filthy third world countries (8).

            The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8).

            The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).

            Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).

            21% of lesbians die of murder, suicide or traffic accident, which is at a rate of 534 times higher than the number of white heterosexual females aged 25-44 who die of these things(8).

            50% of the calls to a hotline to report “queer bashing” involved domestic violence (i.e., homosexuals beating up other homosexuals) (18).

            About 50% of the women on death row are lesbians (12). Homosexuals prey on children.

            33% of homosexuals ADMIT to minor/adult sex (7).

            There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is “SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE.” This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.

            Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).

            73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).

            Many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles: “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality” (22).

            Because homosexuals can’t reproduce naturally, they resort to recruiting children. Homosexuals can be heard chanting “TEN PERCENT IS NOT ENOUGH, RECRUIT, RECRUIT, RECRUIT” in their homosexual parades. A group called the “Lesbian Avengers” prides itself on trying to recruit young girls. They print “WE RECRUIT” on their literature. Some other homosexuals aren’t as overt about this, but rather try to infiltrate society and get into positions where they will have access to the malleable minds of young children (e.g., the clergy, teachers, Boy Scout leaders, etc.) (8). See the DC Lesbian Avengers web page, and DC Lesbian Avengers Press Release, where they threaten to recruit little boys and girls. Also, see AFA Action Alert.

          • [email protected]

            i replied to your comment but with a link so it needs to wait for approval. you can wait for that one or google: anti gay myths and click on the SPLC link for a response to the misinformation that you seem to believe is true.

          • vorpal

            I believe that that was published by the American College of Pediatricians, which is a bunk far-right group trying to masquerade as legitimate so that their agenda of opposing adoption by same-sex couples would carry some weight.

            The ACTUAL legitimate organization, the American Academy of Pediatrics, claims that homosexuality is a natural variation in human sexuality, and agrees with the overwhelming body of peer reviewed, academically published research articles that show that – on average – children raised by same-sex couples do no worse (and possibly even do slightly better for easily hypothesized reasons) than children raised by opposite sex parents.

            But you have demonstrated repeatedly that facts are not important to you, and you would rather just repeat your shrieky narrative a bit louder because somehow volume is correlated with legitimacy… kind of like the ACP similarly feels.

          • vorpal

            No, he’s been given over to facts… those pesky ones you choose to ignore because they don’t help you demonize homosexuality.

          • Michael Hampton

            Proverbs 23:2 “If you are prone to gluttony, you should slit your own throat.”

            How many fat people have you told to kill themselves?

          • afchief

            Silly homo, do not quote the Word of God if you do not know what it means!!! It NEVER says cut your throat

            Proverbs 23:2 (NASB)
            2 And put a knife to your throat

            If you are a man of great appetite.

            It does not say cut.

          • Michael Hampton

            You really are obsessed.

          • vorpal

            Believing in invisible, immaterial superbeings for which there is no evidence?

            That seems a lot weirder and more disordered than two men having sex.

          • Michael Hampton

            What do you call the 40% of young women who also engage in anal sex?

          • afchief

            The typical homosexual lie!!!!

        • thelordlives2011

          Yes, it is a mental disorder. It is called Sexual Identity Disorder.

  • Michael C

    There is zero medical or scientific evidence that a person’s sexual orientation can be changed from homosexual to heterosexual through any type of therapy. Zero. Not one study. Not one individual case.

    This is not medicine.

    What we see in New York, just as we have seen in California and New Jersey, is that those who are licensed to practice medicine by the state are not permitted to sell this type of non-medicine. Anyone who is not a licensed by the state to practice medicine is free to offer whatever type of counselling they choose (they should, however, make sure that they’re not making any fraudulent claims about the efficacy of the services they offer).

    • afchief

      Sorry but you are delusional. We Christians KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt that NO human being was/is made homosexual. NONE! It is so obvious by how God made a man and a woman for everyone to know. But for those who have been given over to a reprobate mind, they have been blinded by their sin. Because God has given you over to do things which are not proper.

      There is freedom. And that freedom is in Jesus Christ.

      • John N

        Of course, afchief, you Christians do ‘know’ that no human is ‘made’ homosexual. Just like you Christians do ‘know’ that humans are in fact ‘made’ from dust and woman are in fact ‘made’ from a man’s rib. Because it is all in your holy book! And who could doubt the remarkable accuracy of such a scientific masterpiece! It is so obvious!

        And because that obvious innerancy, you also do ‘know’ that the first woman, being a male clone, must have had a homosexual relationship with the first man. After all, it is so obvious!

        • afchief

          One does not even have to be a Christian to know this. It is extremely obvious even to a rational and logical mind. Look at a man and woman’s body. Only one given over to sin, cannot see that a man and woman were made by God to come together. Two men or two women are not. It is VERY obvious.

          There is no biological or genetic basis for homosexuality. It’s obviously a lifestyle choice. Since it’s probably a choice made very early in childhood development, it’s not an informed choice, so the homosexuals can feel “proud” and pose as victims at the same time.

          Of course not every mating between a male and a female produces a child, but for most, it is possible. “Matings” between same sex couples NEVER produce a child. Only disease!!! Same sex couples ALWAYS need a third party to have children in their family. The dirty truth of the matter is homosexuality is not about ‘love’, it is about sex. You can love someone without fulfilling a hedonistic lustful desire. Nothing about the homosexual ‘movement’ is honest.

          The promoting of sodomy to the same moral level as traditional marriage can never happen in God’s eyes or us Christians. We will ALWAYS see homosexuality as sin.

          • John N

            Then I suggest you sue your deity for creating homosexuals.

          • afchief

            There is no homosexual gene John. You know this. If there was, homosexuals most likely would be aborted out of existence.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oh wait, then you wouldn’t have a problem with abortion? Got it.

          • DanH

            Hey, throw in “patriarchy” and “white privilege” while you’re at it.

          • John N

            I know this? No, I don’t. And if you claim you do, please notify the Nobel Price committee.

            As far as we know, sexual orientation is caused by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences.

            And you do have something with aborting people with ‘unwanted’ traits out of existence. Why is that? Is it this so-called Christian love?

          • afchief

            No, you do know this!!! There is NO homosexual gene. NONE! I would NEVER abort a baby for any reason. I’m just saying the people who do abort babies would be aborting homosexuals left and right if there was a homo gene. There is NOT!

            Sexual Abuse: A Major Cause Of Homosexuality?

            It is a well-documented fact that many many homosexuals were sexually abused when young. (This paper will conclude with a list of some books which support that statement.)

            In other words, there is an abundance of evidence that many many homosexuals were born heterosexual but were disoriented by sexual abuse.

            Indeed, there are many more cases of sexual abuse than there are cases of homosexuality. As one large study discussed in a 1997 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association found, on average 12.8% of women and 4.3% of men recall being sexually abused.1 (How many do not recall it?)

            According to Dr. James E. Soukup, author of a book which deals with several subjects including sexual abuse: “In one national study in 1985, 27 percent of the females interviewed and 16 percent of the males reported to have been sexually abused as children. Other studies indicate that these figures are too low. It is suggested that eighty percent of all sexual abuse is not reported.”2

            The Associated Press noted in late 1998 that, according to an analysis of 166 studies covering the years 1985-97: “As many as one in five boys is sexually abused….It [also] concluded that sexual abuse of boys is underreported and undertreated….Earlier studies have shown that 25 percent to 35 percent of girls are sexually abused.”3

            (According to a JAMA review of literature re the sexual abuse of boys, only 10%-33% of male abuse victims ever tell anyone about that abuse.4 The review also found that: “Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual than peers who had not been abused.”5 And regarding female abuse victims, one study found that 38% of adult women ages 18-31 who were sexually abused when young [between ages 10 months to 12 years] did not remember that they were sexually abused when young.6)

            According to an article in Newsweek: “University of New Hampshire professor David Finkelhor, widely considered the premier researcher on crimes against children,…finds that 21 percent of all girls and at least 3 (but more likely 10) percent of boys are sexually victimized by age 17.”7

            Whatever the true percentages are of male and female sex abuse victims, considering how high the suggested/reported numbers are compared to the percentage of the population that is homosexual (only 1%-2%), we can see that sexual abuse can theoretically account for every case of homosexuality.

            Too, there currently is no definitive proof that anyone is born homosexual. Several studies by homosexual researchers claimed to find some possible biological bases for homosexuality. But other scientists easily pointed out the flaws in those studies, and the results of those studies have yet to be replicated by others. In the words of pro-homosexual Newsweek magazine: “In the early ’90s, three highly publicized studies seemed to suggest that homosexuality’s roots were genetic….More than five years later the data have never been replicated.”8 (This fact has been almost totally ignored by the biased, untrustworthy, dominant liberal media.) And in the May/June 2008 issue of Psychology Today we have this: “No one has yet identified a particular gay gene….There is no all-inclusive explanation for the variation in sexual orientation, at least none supported by actual evidence….[T]here are many different mechanisms [involving both nature and nurture], not a single one, for producing homosexuality.”9

            So how can anyone claim, in good conscience, that homosexuals are born that way and have no choice? When someone says they are homosexual, our first response should be to try and find out if he/she was sexually abused and, if so, to then punish the abuser. Our next response should be to provide therapy to homosexuals to help them cope with their problems.

            Those who push the born-homosexual line are effectively ignoring the sexual abuse of children. What kind of “people” want to let pedophiles get away with sexually abusing little kids?

            (If sexual abuse happens to a one-year or two-year old child, he or she may not remember it later in life because it happened at such a young age. However, the trauma can govern the rest of the victim’s life. Some homosexuals will swear they were never sexually abused, but they have no way of knowing for sure.)

            Skilled psychologists and psychiatrists like Masters and Johnson, Charles Socarides, Joseph Nicolosi, Benjamin Kaufman, Elizabeth Moberly, Jeffrey Satinover, and Gerard van den Aardweg, have had success changing homosexuals into heterosexuals. (They have been successful because most if not all homosexuals were probably born heterosexual.)

            Dr. Reuben Fine, Director of the New York Center for Psychoanalytic Training: “It is paradoxical that even though the politically active homosexual group[s] denies the possibility of change, all studies from Schrenk-Notzing on have found positive effects, virtually regardless of the kind of treatment used….If the homosexual patients were motivated, whatever procedure [i.e., treatment] is adopted, a large percentage will give up their homosexuality.”10

            Those who oppose using therapy to change homosexuals into heterosexuals are, in effect, trying to keep homosexuals locked into homosexuality. Those who oppose such therapy do not want homosexuals to have a choice, a way out of homosexuality. That’s un-American, inhumane, intolerant, and meanly oppressive.

            In addition, considering all the solid scientific evidence that many homosexuals are mentally disturbed to one degree or another because of sexual abuse (or dysfunctional parents or other negative developmental influences many homosexuals experienced), it is clear that those psychiatrists and psychologists who say homosexuality should NOT be on the officially approved list of mental illnesses are seemingly incompetent malpractitioners. They appear to be more interested in being “politically correct” than in the truth. Incompetent malpractitioners should have their licenses to ply their professions revoked.

            (A book written by Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, titled Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis, explains how the decision to remove homosexuality from the officially approved list of mental disorders was based on power politics and intimidation by homosexual groups NOT science.)

            One last note: Homosexuals do not want you to know that many of them were sexually abused when young, because many people who were so abused go on to molest others. And homosexuals do not want you to know that they are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals are.11 (Note of clarification: While that is a fact, there is no proof at this time that it is because of their homosexuality, but rather because so many of them were sexually abused themselves.)

          • John N

            So now you know better what I know than I do myself? I bow to your psychic powers, my deity.

            Well, at least you still know how to copy and paste from homophobic hatesites. I guess in your cult, lying for Jezus is still earning you brownie points.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You know that Christians can read minds? Well at least they think they can. 😉 😉

          • John N

            Even better, they kow exactly what their god thinks. And surprisingly, it always seems to confirm their own prejudices.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Yep so true.

          • vorpal

            LOL and yet they are all SO SURE they know what their god is saying, but somehow, their god is feeding them all contradictory or false messages, like that they should run for GOP presidential candidate.

          • acontraryview

            “There is no homosexual gene John.”

            To make such a statement would require that you know the function of every gene in the human genome. Congratulations! That is a tremendous feat. By all means, share your knowledge with the many scientific teams that working on determining the function of every gene. They would no doubt be enormously grateful for the assistance.

            Tell me, do you get our knowledge of genetics from the same place you get your knowledge of the law?

          • afchief

            Let me repeat to the liar; There is no homosexual gene.

            I know this by how God made man and woman. We Christians know this. A reprobate mind (you) does not!

          • acontraryview

            “Let me repeat to the liar”

            Again with the bearing of false witness, Russ. Tsk, tsk.

            “There is no homosexual gene.”

            Let me repeat to the person who making statements without proof: In order to say that with certainty, you would have to know the function of every gene in the human genome. If you do, in fact, know the function of every gene in the human genome, then please share it with the numerous teams of scientists who are working to determine the function of every gene. They would no doubt be very appreciative.

            Tell me, Russ, when did you discover the functioning of every gene in the human genome? During your breaks at the factory?

          • afchief

            Like I said you have a reprobate mind and cannot see truth!!! It is VERY OBVIOUS by how God made a man and a woman that the two are meant to come together (in marriage). A reprobate mind (you) thinks sex is anything that feels good, it’s then OK. A reprobate mind thinks that anal sex is normal. A reprobate mind does not know sin. How can it? It is blinded by sin. A reprobate mind has been given over (by God) to do ungodly things i.e. homosexuality. It is quite obvious you have a reprobate mind.

            Those of us with a sound mind KNOW there is no homo gene due to the fact of how God made man and woman. It is soooooo simple!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So sex isn’t about feeling good? Damn, so me and so many have been wrong? Oh wait for you Christians sex is only to procreate, how can I forget that. Maybe because for many people sex is more then just to get kids.

          • vorpal

            That seems to be the underlying message of Christianity, not just with regards to sex but everything: if it feels good, you should be ashamed, and you’re a disgusting, hell-bound sinner.

          • acontraryview

            Ahhhh…so your (lack of) knowledge of genetics comes from the same place as your (lack of) knowledge of the law. I figured as much. Thanks for confirming.

          • vorpal

            Except for the inconvenient fact that there is a subset of the human population that is ONLY attracted to the same sex and that has NO attraction to the opposite sex.

            How do you figure that a guy who has never in his life had any sexual or romantic attraction to women but that has had a good deal of sexual and romantic attraction to men was “made” to be with a women? It seems VERY obvious that he wasn’t.

          • afchief

            Is Homosexuality A Disorder?

            For decades the American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality a disorder (until it was taken over by pro-homosexual ideologues who are now letting sexual politics trump science and logic). Just like a female mind in a male body is a sure sign that something went wrong somewhere (in nature and/or nurture), so a homosexual mind in a heterosexual body is likewise a disorder. Elementary logic leads us to the conclusion that in both cases, the mind is in conflict or disharmony with the body. And just like we view transsexuality as a problem-it-is-okay-to-try-to-fix (sex reassignment surgery is one controversial but legal treatment), so we should view homosexuality as a problem-or-disorder-it-is-okay-to-try-to-fix.

            To treat a disorder as if it’s not a disorder is flat-out malpractice. For example, if you went to a doctor because you weren’t feeling well, and the doctor did some tests, found you had heart disease, AND DIDN’T TELL YOU, rational people would say the doctor was malpracticing. That, basically, is what the APA is doing regarding homosexuality. It is not telling homosexuals they have a disorder.

            To help illustrate how illogical the APA’s reversal of its position on homosexuality was and is, all you have to do is consider how the APA violated or ignored one of its own criteria when it did so. One of its criteria for determining whether a condition is a disorder is whether the condition results in a significant impairment of social functioning. The fact that homosexuals do not have the desire to engage in perfectly natural phallic/vaginal, procreative sex; the fact that homosexuals have no desire to engage in that sex which animal species require for their very survival and existence—the fact that homosexuals are essentially impotent with the opposite gender—is clearly a significant impairment of social functioning and persuasive evidence of a disorder (which disorder, like so many other disorders, may have a genetic component). The APA has little credibility nowadays. It’s been compromised.

            Homosexual activity is so physiologically unnatural and disordered that homosexuals actually have to rely on heterosexuals (or artificial means) to create more homosexuals, since true homosexuals by definition do not engage in reproductive sex.

            A book written by Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist, titled Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis, explains how the decision to remove homosexuality from the officially approved list of psychological disorders was based on power politics and intimidation by homosexual groups, NOT science. In the book Bayer wrote about “confrontations organized by gay demonstrators at psychiatric conventions”1 and said that that decision “was not a conclusion based on an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason.”2

            And there is evidence that the APA has been corrupted, not only by sexual politics, but by money. From “Who’s Behind the Bible of Mental Illness” by Kent Garber, which was in the Dec. 31, 2007/Jan. 7, 2008 issue of U.S. News & World Report (page 25): The “American Psychiatric Association will spend the next five years producing a new edition of…The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders….[It] is hugely influential because it determines what is and is not a mental disorder….The most recent edition of the DSM, published in 1994, drew controversy because it turned what had once been a thin guidebook into an 886-page tome that significantly expanded the definition of mental illness. Traits once associated with shyness, for example, became symptoms of ‘social anxiety disorder.’ And drug companies went on to spend millions promoting medicines for those problems. Eyebrows were further raised in 2006 when a study showed that more than half of the researchers who worked on the manual had at least one financial tie to the drug industry.”

            And regarding that new edition of the DSM, the fifth, which was released in May 2013: it’s so flawed that it “has been slammed by prominent psychiatrists—including Dr. Allen Frances, head of the task force that wrote the fourth edition, who warned doctors to use it ‘cautiously, if at all'” (Alice Park, “Head Case,” Time, June 3, 2013, p. 16).

            One of the biggest knocks of the latest DSM is that it labels things as disorders that are in fact NOT disorders. For example, according to Dr. Allen Frances: “We are turning childhood into a disease….Perfectly appropriate developmental immaturity is being mislabeled as a mental disorder and treated with unnecessary, expensive, and potentially harmful pills….[T]he field [of psychiatry] has lost its rationality” (from an article in Psychology Today titled “No Child Left Undiagnosed,” Sept./Oct. 2014, p. 50).

            We shouldn’t rely on the seriously compromised APA to tell us what is and is not a disorder. (And any psychiatrists who financially support the APA should have their heads examined.)

            To close this section, there is evidence provided by homosexuals themselves that many of them are heterophobic. For examples, from homosexual author Dennis Altman: “Undoubtedly for many homosexuals there is something threatening in the idea of intimacy with the other sex.”3 And one well-known homosexual, David Geffen, has admitted that he “was afraid of the opposite sex,” according to biographer Tom King, a fellow homosexual.4

          • vorpal

            LOL what a load of nonsense.

            First off, there are reasons why homosexuality was listed in the DSM-I and II, and the Hooker study was one of the primary reasons it was delisted. Were there some politics involved? Absolutely, but any time a group mobilizes to elicit change, it’s an act of politics.

            I find it hilarious that in your mind, we poor little homosexuals are apparently so disordered that we can barely manage to get dressed in the morning without accidentally strangling ourselves with our pants, but we somehow simultaneously have the organizational capacity and superpowers to take over the APA and many other prominent groups.

            The cognitive dissonance you generate is so loud that I can barely hear myself think.

            As for this Dennis Altman dude, I know this may shock you, but we gay people do not have a hive mind like the Borg. Altman certainly doesn’t speak for me. There is nothing threatening in the idea of intimacy with women, and I have plenty of non-sexual and non-romantic intimacy with women, and I’m not afraid of them in any way. That being said, I have zero desire to engage sexually or romantically with a woman.

            The idea that being intimidated by the opposite sex suddenly makes one romantically and physically interested in the same sex really is about the bottom of the barrel in terms of pathetic explanations for why one is gay.

      • [email protected]

        Well if you’re going to say that people are not naturally homosexual then you need to explain what caused it. In my case I am gay and yet I was raised in a conservative religious home with a Christian education and never faced any kind of abuse, physical, emotional, or sexual. So how given that background information, and feel free to ask for other details, what explains my homosexuality?

        • afchief

          What caused it? Your sin nature. Homosexuality is sin just like lying, drunkenness, murder, etc. It is no different. All sin is rebellion to God.

          Something happened while you were young to open the door to this sin. It could be a fatherless home, sexual abuse, peer pressure, bullying, etc. It is a sin and it can be forgiven through Jesus Christ. Just ask Him and let Him into your life. You will not be disappointed. I promise!

          • [email protected]

            Well if you’re going to say that a sin nature causes homosexuality and everyone has a sin nature then everyone would be homosexual. So it can’t be that, at least not on its own. You then list out things that may have happened in my past that would have “opened the door” to homosexuality. I grew up with both my mother and father and had a good relationship with both, I never had any kind of abuse as I said above, there was certainly no peer pressure to be attracted to the same sex, quite the opposite in fact there was peer pressure against that, and I also never have any problems being bullied growing up…. Got in my share of fights with other kids but not being bullied. So none of those would explain my homosexuality.

          • afchief

            Some people are prone to other sins i.e. lying, drunkenness, adultery, fornication, murder, stealing, etc. But it is your sin nature that cause you to embrace this sin. The lust of your heart is homosexuality! The Word is God is quite clear on this;

            Romans 1:22-28 (NASB) Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

            24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed ]forever. Amen.

            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

          • [email protected]

            that passage in Romans is referencing the sexual debauchery that happened in pagan temple worship as an example of how far people fall when away from God. 22 and 23 set this up as being about the worship of false Gods. then you have the “therefore” which tells you that what follows is in relation to that. what we see described is temple proposition and sex that is so mindless that people had sex with anyone without even regard for their gender. basically it was saying that the sexual immorality was so far gone as a result or this pagan culture that not even gender was able to serve as a limiting factor for who they had sex with. it was not meant to be a condemnation of homosexuality in general. also this still leaves open the question of what causes the homosexuality, again it can not be sin nature on its own becasue everyone has that.

          • afchief

            Bye! I will not converse anymore with a reprobate mind. You have NO idea what scripture means. NONE!

          • [email protected]

            I have spent a very long time studying the scripture on this topic and the scripture in general. so I do have an idea of what it means and I think I can defend that position quite well. I hope that at some point you are willing to re-examine your views on the matter and look at the alternative position.

          • vorpal

            He’ll just make up new reasons to explain your homosexuality.
            When they reach the end of their list of “possible causes” of homosexuality, they scratch their head and jot down a few more.

            Eventually, I’m sure they’ll have something like:
            #9876: Breastfed.
            #9877: Not breastfed.

          • [email protected]

            perhaps but I notice that often they just give up if you don’t fall into one of the pre-canned theories. Instead of trying to come up with a new explanation they just say that you are lying or don’t remember the past problem. if there is one thing i have learned about the ex-gay movement and supporters is that it does not work well with people who don’t fit into the pre-conceived narrative. ( of course those explanations are also non-sense but at least they try….if you fall outside of that they don’t even try)

          • vorpal

            I’ve seen your posts all over the Disqus boards, as we often seem to frequent the same places, and you sound in a similar boat as I am: you do not fit any of the pre-canned theories and defy the stereotypes associated with gay men.

            I’m frankly tired and rather irritated at people telling me statements about myself and my life that are untrue and silly. I cannot claim to conclusively know what caused me to be gay, but I knew it as far back as I can remember, and after I came out of the closet, being gay has been pretty fantastic, as it has brought me into a community of incredible diversity through shared life experience that I never would have otherwise encountered, and it has been a contributing factor in getting me to think about my indoctrinated childhood beliefs more critically. It has also made me a far stronger and more compassionate person than I otherwise would have been.

            Indeed, I am very thankful for being gay, and the actual expression of being gay is by far not even the most important part of that.

          • [email protected]

            very well said indeed!!!!! I agree with all of that 100%.

    • DanH

      Yes, there are ex-gays. The fact that gays won’t accept this reality is pretty revealing. You run around demanding “tolerance,” but you can’t even tolerate a few people who make the choice to change their lives. People comfortable in their own skins shouldn’t care if some gays decide to change, as it’s really no business of yours.

      • Michael C

        There are people who claim that their sexual orientation has changed through “therapy”.

        Not one of them has provided any evidence for this claim. Not one “therapist” has provided any evidence that any of their “patients” have ever experienced any actual change in their sexual orientation.

        I am not stating these facts to demean anyone. They’re just facts.

        • DanH

          What would constitute “evidence” in your narrow little mind? The guy has sex with a woman in a roomful of gay men?

          You people are so pathetic. It is no “fact” that ex-gays don’t exist. You can’t read someone’s mind. You stupidly assume because you are addicted to sex there all people are like you. Thankfully, that isn’t so.

          • Michael C

            I did not say that they don’t exist. I said that there’s no actual evidence that they do.

            The reason I don’t trust people at their word is because sometimes people lie. Sometimes they want something to be true so badly that they can even delude themselves. Too many men and women have claimed to be “ex-gay” only to admit later that no change had occurred. I’m not just talking about Joe Schmos. I’m talking about prominent figures in the “ex-gay” world who have either recanted their stories or have been caught leading a double life. Lots of them.

            We don’t have to take their word for it. Attraction is a physical reaction and can be measured.

            For some unknown reason, not one person has thought to actually provide evidence of their “change.” Not one. Please get back to me when someone does.

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        One of my friends was married for years, happy with one kid. Years later her husband tells her he is gay. He married a woman because his family would never accept that he is gay. So I guess he tried not to be gay, didn’t work.

      • [email protected]

        a few people claim to have changed yes but lets look at the big picture. The vast majority of people who go into ex-gay programs come out reporting no change in their sexual orientation. Of those who do change the vast majority of those at some point revert to homosexuality and say that it did not in fact work or that it only had temporary effect. Out of the tiny minority that remain you have people who make their living off of the claim and thus are not reliable, and people who admit that while they have changed behavior they still experience attraction to the same sex. The bottom line is that no, SOCE has not been shown to be effective. A tiny number of people claim that it worked but even then when you examine those more closely you see changes in behavior, not changes in sexual orientation.

    • Reason2012

      Google ex-gay and be flooded with testimonies from even the most die-hard homosexual activists who have on their own permanently overcome such things. Why do you hate them so much for overcoming it? Does it hurt you in any way that others chosen to move on?

      • Michael C

        As I have said multiple times on this thread, there are people who claim that they have “become” heterosexual through some sort of “therapy,” however, they offer no evidence to support their claims. Countless individuals have come out and admitted that their earlier claims of change were false (including many, many who were considered leaders of the “ex-gay” marketplace).

        If as many people as you say have “become” heterosexual through “therapeutic” means, they should have no problem supplying some sort of medical or scientific evidence of their claims. I am waiting for that evidence.

        No hate. I worry for those harmed by these practices. I want better for them.

  • DanH

    The fascist state – take away the authority of parents.

    • gizmo23

      It does not apply to people in pravate practice. Read before posting

      • DanH

        I have no idea what “pravate practice” is.

        • gizmo23

          It is going to a doctor that isn’t employed by the government

          • DanH

            You’re not even literate. There’s no such word as “pravate.”

          • gizmo23

            I have no idea what you are talking about

          • Bob Johnson

            You made a typo – an “a” for an “i” and he thinks it is the greatest literate event of the century.

        • acontraryview

          Given the subject matter of the discussion, if you were not able to ascertain that “pravate” was a typo and that he meant to type “private”, you aren’t very bright.

    • acontraryview

      How does telling state agencies to no longer provide funds for reparative therapy “take away the authority of parents”?

      • tatoo

        Only abusive parents that want to mentally harm their children. Once the child is over 18 , he can decide for himself.

    • [email protected]

      So parents should be able to subject their children to abusive situations with no government intervention or protection for the children? Parental authority is not absolute and it is limited in cases where the parents would be subjecting the minor to harm or a situation which needlessly puts them at great risk for harm.

  • MattFCharlestonSC

    “Help for Homosexual Youth” my foot. Conversion Therapy involves attaching electrodes to kids genitals and giving them nausea inducing medication while showing them gay porn. This isn’t therapy, it’s brainwashing and it’s damaging and dangerous. Please show me the commandment that says thou shalt torture people until they agree with you. You all like to think that Conversion Therapy is some miracle, but the only miracle here is inducing extreme levels of shame in a human being.

    • gizmo23

      Icky

    • [email protected]

      and then you also have the methods that involve having the clients strip and fondle themselves in view of the therapist or both the client and the therapist getting nude and engaging in “cuddle therapy” the methods are all clearly abusive in one way or another or just flat out wacky and this is why supporters don’t like to talk about what actually goes on in these efforts.

  • Rosavera

    Governments of the Left, the Democrats, want more of the same like them so eventually they hope to be in the majority. Look up how scientists are doing their best to eventually have men ‘create’ eggs and have children without women.. look at this and all the many many laws being passed, quietly, to forward a culture of immorality, of abortion before and after birth, of getting rid of the elderly… be loud and be strong and let them hear our voices, we must vote these inhuman politicians out…!

  • リチャード!

    Now for a little balance.

    Alan Chambers, the former head of Exodus International, what was once the biggest organization promoting conversion therapy said that: “As I heard more stories and evaluated my own realities….I realized change in orientation was not possible or happening.”

    Michael Bussee the cofounder of Exodus International said: “I never saw one of our members or other Exodus leaders or other Exodus members become heterosexual, so deep down I knew that it wasn’t true.”

    John Paulk, the poster boy for Focus on the Family’s now defunct conversion therapy shop LWO (Love Won Out) has also repudiated the practice, saying: “I do not believe that reparative therapy changes sexual orientation; in fact, it does great harm to many people.”

    John Paulk was put on the cover of Newsweek magazine in the 90s, when it was claimed that conversion therapy successfully turned him into a heterosexual. He ended up marrying a woman, as many conversion therapists foolishly encourage their “patients” to do. He is now separated from that woman. Gee, who saw that coming? I thought they would last forever…

    He is not the only high profile ex-ex-gay either. There is:

    Brad Allen, former coordinator at Exodus International, Darlene Bogle also a former representative of Exodus, Tim Rymel former poster boy for Love in Action, Yvette Cantu Schneider formerly of FRC & CWA, Bill Prickett founder of ex-gay group Coming Back, Catherine Chapman a former director at Portland Fellowship, a former affiliate of Exodus, John Evens former cofounder of Love in Action, and Christian Schizzel a former patient of Marcus Bachmann, the husband of former House Rep. Michele Bachmann.

    Reality is there are more ex-ex-gays than there are ex-gays. Why do you think Truth Wins Out, the organization for ex-ex-gays is still thriving while Love Wins Out, the group that it was designed to counter, is now defunct? Can you find me someone that went through conversion therapy that now claims to be ex-gay that isn’t paid in some way for their ex-gayness?

    Reality. is. it. does. not. work. and medical organizations agree. The American Psychiatric Association says it does not work and that it is potentially harmful:

    “”Psychotherapeutic modalities to convert or ‘repair’ homosexuality are based on developmental theories whose scientific validity is questionable. Furthermore, anecdotal reports of “cures” are counterbalanced by anecdotal claims of psychological harm. In the last four decades, “reparative” therapists have not produced any rigorous scientific research to substantiate their claims of cure. Until there is such research available, [the American Psychiatric Association] recommends that ethical practitioners refrain from attempts to change individuals’ sexual orientation, keeping in mind the medical dictum to first, do no harm.

    The potential risks of reparative therapy are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior, since therapist alignment with societal prejudices against homosexuality may reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient. Many patients who have undergone reparative therapy relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction. The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed.

    Therefore, the American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation.””

    Other organizations that condemn the practice as ineffective and harmful are the American Academy of Child Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Association for Marriage and Family Therapy, the American College of Physicians, the American Counseling Association, the American Medical Association, the American Psychoanalytic Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the American School Health Association, the National Association of Social Workers, and the Pan American Health Organization.

    So basically it has been condemned by the professional health associations, former practitioners of conversion therapy (including Exodus International’s head), and by the majority of their victims (yes, victims, not hard to find stories about some of the bizarre crap these poor people were forced to do, Google “Beyond Ex-Gay” and expose yourself to some of the stuff you are supporting, Beyond Ex-gay is an organization to help people who were harmed by conversion therapy, it started be a man named Peterson Toscano who received conversion therapy for 17 years).

    The only people who are defending conversion therapy are blind ideologues, zealots, and parents who are ashamed of their gay children and want to live the fantasy that this therapy will make them ungay.

    • [email protected]

      very well said and lots of very good information in there. everyone should read this in full.

    • vorpal

      I think it is extremely telling that the overwhelming majority of people defending conversion therapy / SOCE are right-wing heterosexual Christians, who are usually unable to even point to more than a tiny handful of long-term “ex-gay” success stories that usually change membership fairly quickly when one of their “success stories” finally accepts that they are still gay, at which point, they are tossed aside by their former “supporters” who see no further use for them.

    • Cady555

      This is an excellent summary of the facts.

      • Kangaroo52

        More like science fiction, actually.

  • disqus_SUijHfDO8w

    This is nonsense, if a child or someone wants help because they are tempted in this area it is their God given right to do so. Just keep this teenager in prayer and hope that he or she finds the help they need. It is the concept of, “overcoming the sin nature,” that is the important issue at stake. Superliberals want to just live with the notion that one is homosexual, when in fact its the sin nature that needs to be overcome through Christ. There is evidence that there are genes that gear one toward alcohol and it would not surprise me if there was a gene that is linked to homosexuality. Again though, God gave Adam the command to have dominion over the earth and subdue it. This ability was lost when Adam sinned, allowing the natural world that he was supposed to subdue to overtake him. Giving Satan the keys and authority back, allowed man to fall into the natural world and be subject to its laws, rather than subduing it like God commanded. Jesus gave us back that authority and we must use it, though the temptations won’t go away over night, eventually they will whether it be sexual, alcohol, or some other addiction, Christ is able to deliver.

    • [email protected]

      The problem is that more often than not it is not kids deciding for themselves that their homosexuality is a problem but rather their parents deciding that and either A. forcing them to do it B. coercing them to do it if they want continued family support C. convincing them that they need to do it even if they do not actually want to.

      Additionally SOCE comes with a high risk of harm so given the threat of coercion and the risk of harm it is prudent to limit this to adults and protect minors from being subjected to it. I would add that even if it is sin that then the answer would be celibacy and not acting on it. Not the debunked efforts to change ones sexual orientation.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    + “Repent and believe the good news!”
    – “Repent of what?”
    + “Your sin.”
    – “POLICE!”

  • acontraryview

    “New York Governor Announces Regulations Banning Help for Homosexual Youth”

    The headline is false.

    First, if parents in NY want to use private parties to attempt to change the sexuality of their children, they are allowed to do so. That is not banned. The ban only applies to State agencies.

    Second, reparative therapy has been proven ineffective and in many cases harmful. It does not “help” homosexual youth.

    “Chris Christie signed a bill into law in August 2013 that banned the use of conversion or reparative therapy, or to otherwise help minors who are struggling with feelings toward those of the same sex.”

    That is false. Parents who wish to attempt to change the sexuality of their children are free to attempt to do so through the use of counseling by clergy, their neighbor, or any person is not a licensed by the state. They are free to attempt to “pray away the gay”.

    “New York becomes the fourth state to ban conversion therapy ”

    New York has not banned conversion therapy. That takes an act of the NY legislature. The Governor has issued an order that state agencies are no longer allowed to pay for conversion therapy and that insurance companies are no longer allowed to reimburse for conversion therapy. It is still available in NY.

    • [email protected]

      all very well said indeed. thanks for stating the facts.

      • acontraryview

        You are quite welcome. Thanks for the response.

  • Reason2012

    Homosexuality: genetics trump feelings – don’t want those attractions anymore? Too bad, your FEELINGS mean nothing because in spite of your feelings you can’t change the GENETIC fact you’re supposedly homosexual.

    Transgenderism: feelings trump genetics. Don’t FEEL like being a man anymore? That’s fine – ignore the GENETIC fact you’re a man and mutilate your body to get in line with the REAL truth: your feelings.

    They rebuke their own claims back and forth, showing how it’s all just a lie used to promote anti-God perversions on America, then use it to silence and attack Christianity.

    Get active, people. Let your voice be heard by local leaders until they get back to representing We The People.

    • acontraryview

      “then use it to silence”

      Clearly, you have not been silenced.

      “back to representing We The People.”

      I think you actually mean: “We The Christians”.

      • Reason2012

        // Clearly, you have not been silenced. //

        You mean those who WANT help with homosexual attractions can get help? No, the help has been legally silenced.

        // I think you actually mean “We The Christians”. //

        No, in this case We The People who want help against such things as unwanted sexual attractions and want to help against such things – legally controlled and censored by “We The Homosexual Activists”.

        • acontraryview

          “You mean those who WANT help with homosexual attractions can get help? ”

          That is correct.

          “No, the help has been legally silenced.”

          No, it has not. It would behoove you to read the article. Reparative therapy is still legal in NY.

          “in this case We The People who want help against such things”

          If you have unwanted sexual attractions to someone of the same gender, you can get help for that.

          “want to help against such things”

          You are free to help all you care to.

        • afchief

          Don’t waste your time!

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • [email protected]

      The vast majority of people who go into ex-gay programs come out reporting no change in their sexual orientation. Of those who do change the vast majority of those at some point revert to homosexuality and say that it did not in fact work or that it only had temporary effect. Out of the tiny minority that remain you have people who make their living off of the claim and thus are not reliable, and people who admit that while they have changed behavior they still experience attraction to the same sex. The bottom line is that no, SOCE has not been shown to be effective. A tiny number of people claim that it worked but even then when you examine those more closely you see changes in behavior, not changes in sexual orientation.

      • Reason2012

        I’m not talking about programs. The FACT is adults continue to on their own permanently turn away from it, even the most die hard former homosexual activists.

        Google ex-gay and be flooded with their own testimonies.

        So how does it hurt you that others have turned away from it? Why do you hate them so much?

        Is it because if there are any that DO turn away from it it proves it’s not genetic (which is does prove it’s not genetic) and hence you have less of an excuse to remain stuck in it?

        Is it because it ruins the talking point that it’s supposedly genetic and hence demands legal enforcement of societal acceptance?

        And how does it factor in that it IS genetic fact that a person is a male or female, but if a person instead claims to FEEL like they’re the opposite, then genetics is thrown out the window as FEELINGS are the supposed REAL truth? What if someone doesn’t FEEL like they want those attractions anymore.

        And therein is the dishonest hypocrisy of the perversion activists’ movement exposed:
        Transgenderism: FEELINGS trumps GENETICS.
        Homosexuality: GENETICS trumps FEELINGS.

        • Josey

          hit the nail on the head

        • [email protected]

          flooded? there are a small handful of people who claim to be ex-gay and many of those make their living from that claim so of course they say it. many others were clearly bisexual if you look at their story and still others admit that they still have attraction to the same sex, just that they do not act on it.

          now to be clear i am not hurt that some people claim to have changed and if people want to modify their behavior to not act on their sexual orientation then that is their call. what is a problem is parents forcing this on their kids or people pushing a false narrative that people can and should change when the reality is that even by the most favorable narrative for your side this is something that only rarely works while often incurring a great deal of harm.

    • acontraryview

      “Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.”

      Please cite one person who was exclusively attracted physically, emotionally, and romantically to people of the same gender who is now claims they are exclusively attracted physically, emotionally, and romantically to people of the opposite gender.

  • Chrissy Vee

    Denying a person who is seeking counsel for something they don’t understand, for their own perverted agenda, is unconscionable. This country is being overcome by demonic spirits as the Bible proclaimed it would. The abominable and blind are leading the abominable and blind straight into the depths of Hell and dragging as many souls as they can with them. Lord have mercy on those seeking, and protect them from the vultures. Glory to your name.

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      By all means, let adults who want to damage themselves do so. Children deserve to be protected from this medieval style torture.

      • Chrissy Vee

        Counseling, Matt. Not gay conversion therapy. Welcome to 2016.

        • Michael C

          No child is being denied counselling.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I get that. Thanks.

  • [email protected]

    We know that SOCE (sexual orientation change efforts) have at best very little chance of success while having a high rate or harm…and that is the best case evaluation. Given that this process has a high rate of harm and is attempting to “fix” something that is not even a problem minors deserve to be protected from being forced into it. This is a very reasonable and good measure that protect minors from being forced into this practice and limits it only to adults who are able to decide for themselves.

  • SSGT_Randolph

    I applaud the state of New York for taking a courageous stand against legalized torture in non-military settings.

  • Lori Greenhill Sharpe

    To be honest, Christie is right on one thing…homosexuality is not a sin…because Godccalls it an abomination. That is actually worse. When Christie says he doesn’t agree with homosexuals being sinners, he must not agree with the God he claims to follow. He is calling God a liar. But God says ,”I sm not a man, that I should lie.” He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. This means morals and beliefs of man may change, but He does not…and neither does his view on homosexuality. “He chastens those whom He loves”, tells us that He, like a father, has expectations for us and if He loves us, then as a father, He does not simply turn His head and ignore what we do wrong. He can’t, because He loves us.

  • Michael Hampton

    Actually, they are banning conversion therapy which has been shown in ALL data and courts to be torture for LGBT kids. Your self persecution is duly noted though.

  • April J

    I really can’t even make it through an article like this once I read the line “a homosexual rights advocate who has lived with his girlfriend Sandra Lee since 2005” HOW IS THE SECOND HALF OF THAT SENTENCE RELEVANT? It’s so petty I can’t even handle it.