Utah Governor Says Using Anesthesia on Babies Being Murdered May Be ‘Most Humane’ Abortion Method

HerbertSALT LAKE CITY, Utah — The Republican governor of Utah said on Wednesday that he would consider signing a proposed bill requiring the use of anesthesia on babies that are being murdered in the womb, opining that it may be the “most humane” way of ending a child’s life.

Gov. Gary Herbert said that he is personally opposed to abortion, but remarked that if the practice is considered legal in America, it should be carried out as “humanely” as possible.

“You know, abortion is a very emotional issue,” he told reporters at a news conference. “Rather than get into the abortion debate, I guess the question is: If we’re going to have abortion, what is the most humane way to do it?”

Sen. Curt Bramble, R-Provo, is currently working on drafting legislation to require anesthesia use on babies that are at a gestational point where they would feel pain. He told local radio station WKSL that the goal of the bill would be to circumvent “the pain inflicted at the time that that unborn child’s life is taken.”

Herbert said that he would generally be in support of “eliminat[ing] that discomfort,” but would need to read the language of the measure before making a definite statement about the concept. He stated that he doesn’t know when a child feels pain, but noted that babies are found to have a heartbeat within mere weeks of being conceived.

“Fetuses have a heartbeat after about five weeks,” Herbert outlined. “And the idea of just being callous about that should cause all of humanity concern.”

Planned Parenthood is already opposed to the legislation, as Karrie Galloway, the CEO of Planned Parenthood Association of Utah, said that she considers such efforts to be government intrusion into women’s lives.

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“Obviously, he wants to insert his political opinion in a private decision between a woman and her physician,” she said of Bramble in speaking with Deseret News.

During his 1854 introductory lecture to his obstetrics course at the University of Pennsylvania, Dr. Hugh Lennox Hodge declared, “We blush, while we record the fact that in this country, in our cities and towns, in this city, where literature, science, morality and Christianity are supposed to have so much influence; where all the domestic and social virtues are reported as being in full and delightful exercise; even here, individuals, male and female, exist, who are continually imbruing their hands and consciences in the blood of unborn infants.”

“Yea, even medical men are to be found, who for some trifling pecuniary recompense, will poison the fountains of life, or forcibly induce labor to the certain destruction of the foetus, and not so unfrequently of its parent,” he lamented. “So low, gentleman, is the moral sense of community on this subject. So ignorant are even the greater number of individuals, that even mothers in many instances shrink not at the commission of this crime, but will voluntarily destroy their own progeny, in violation of every natural sentiment, and in opposition to the laws of God and man.”

Nearly 60 million children have been aborted in America since the 1973 Supreme Court decision of Roe v. Wade.

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  • jael2

    Regardless of the gestation of a child, abortion is murder; period. God isn’t concerned about the methodology of how we “humanely” murder our preborn; with or without anesthesia. We will be judged as individuals, and as a nation, for the shedding of innocent blood.

  • Josey

    This is just another way to say we did it humanely, it isn’t for the benefit of the child who is being murdered but for the benefit of those allowing the murdering of the innocent to ease their conscience. Their conscience should not be eased at all,those who feel guilty and know it’s wrong but don’t have the balls to do something about it, those politicians who claim to be against it yet do nothing about it and as far as the abortionist who do the actual murdering they are callous reprobate social paths to harm a little helpless baby. And sick of hearing that planned parenthood does other good things for women, then do those good things they talk of and quit murdering the innocent.Take abortion out of the equation.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      I was going to write something on this, but, as usual, you said it all, Josey – thank you and God bless you for your post!

    • John

      You do realize this governor is against abortion and Utah is one of the most pro-life states out there based on state laws to protect the unborn right? Planned Parenthood is against this legislation if that tells you anything.

      • Josey

        Well, good for him for being against it but the only answer is to anesthetize the baby before it’s ripped from what is suppose to be the safest place for it, the womb. Are governors so stupid that they can’t get together and come up with a plan to end abortions altogether. The legal fight that started it all and got abortion legalized is based on a lie anyway, the woman had her baby, didn’t even get an abortion and gave her baby up for adoption. Research that!

        • John

          Do you really think that all it takes for abortion to be ended is for governors to come up with a plan? Is that your serious position? You insult the intelligence of governors because they have not been able to come up with a plan to end abortion? How about turn that argument around. Are you so stupid that you can’t come up with a plan to end abortion altogether? Or is your plan to get the governors to do it? *facepalm* Go research what governors can and cannot do.

          • Josey

            it’s about money and not stirring the pot, there are few Elijah’s today who will stand up and be accounted for God. don’t tell me something more can’t be done, abortion got legalized by ppl who are racist and want population control for they are greedy men and women which is contrary to God’s plan to multiply the earth and it can be undone, just lack the men of God who lack the balls to band together and get it done!

          • John

            We know it was racists that got abortion legalized, and we know it was based on a lie, You are saying stuff that is common knowledge. You are off base about him doing this for money and not stirring the pot or whatever you are trying to say. You have not made one single point against this governor that you could support with facts or reason.

          • Josey

            I am not against this governor at all, I am only saying it is just window dressing to a problem that should not even exist, the murdering of babies. Let’s just make their dying less painful is what he is saying, to me that does not sound like an answer.

          • John

            This will not end abortion. It will reduce the suffering of aborted children that would have been aborted with or without this law. It may actually save some lives because it will increase the costs of getting an abortion. As costs go up, demand goes down.

          • Josey

            No, but I think it’s a start to get people together, not just governors but all who are against it. Governors in your opinion are just useless blobs taking the ppl’s money then to do nothing about abortion in their states. I don’t buy that logic at all!

  • Maranatha2011

    Perhaps he will also concede that ISIS should anesthetize those they are about to behead.That will make it all OK.

  • Nidalap

    I don’t know…somehow I just can’t see affording babies the same considerations we give to prisoners that are being executed as being very much progress in a positive direction…

    • John

      So you would rather the children suffer? How many abortions are going to happen today? How many of those are you going to stop from happening? Can you end abortion yourself? Neither can the governor. Now being that you accept that you cannot end abortion yourself, if you could relieve the suffering of the unborn, would you? This governor is attempting to do that which he has the authority to do. It’s not about you and what you know or what you can see. You are sick if you would not do anything in your power to save these children and if you can’t stop it at least help relieve their suffering and in so doing create a legal president which recognizes their suffering.

      • Josey

        He can find others like himself against abortion and band together, there is power in numbers but no, these have just reserved themselves to the mindset that they can’t stop abortions but that doesn’t excuse them on judgement day. I’m sure he’s a good man but he as a governor does have power that God gave him as an elected official but he’s failing in his duties to the ppl of his state and if all the governors who claim to be against abortion get together they could do more, if a law was passed to make abortions legal it can also be undone as well, it just takes courage from those in power to do something about it. Do you think the holocaust where the Jewish ppl were on trains and were thrown a few scraps by a few ppl who felt sorry for them will be excused, no they should have stood against this from the start but a lot of them made money off the back of Jews and also stole their possessions, there is no excuse, period.

        • John

          Josey, You obviously don’t understand what governors can and cannot do. You make him responsible for things God HAS NOT given him authority to do within the US legal system. You are so flawed in your understanding that I don’t even know where to start to help you understand. I pray God gives you wisdom.

          • Josey

            you need to pray repentance first for God doesn’t hear the lost except for the humbling prayer of repentance.

          • John

            Please expound on what I need to repent for Josey. Satan is the accuser. You are judging this governor wrongly and need to repent for that.

  • Becky

    Sadly, I believe this is going to encourage even more abortions. A woman that may be having second thoughts about having an abortion, because of the pain the baby suffers, will have her concerns quelled when she’s told that anesthesia will stop the pain her unborn baby would feel. That may be all she needs to hear in order to make the decision to have the abortion…the decision to partake in the murder of her unborn baby.

    • jael2

      Having counseled hundreds of women, one of the first responses I receive: “is it going to hurt?” Their first and primary concern is for themselves. Rarely, will a woman consider the horrific torture their preborn child will endure. That is why I like to show them pictures of an aborted child, and ask them why the babies mouth is gaping open?
      But you are correct, the whole idea of using anesthesia will only encourage more abortions rather than less.

  • John

    Christian News, Isn’t it evident by now that the lack of clarity in this article has led to a huge misunderstanding when it comes to this governor and this legislation. People are thinking that he is justifying or promoting abortion in some way. That could not be further from the truth.

    • Nidalap

      Back during the Holocaust, the churches would sing hymns loudly as the death trains rolled by. So they couldn’t hear the screams, you see. They weren’t justifying or promoting the Holocaust…just making it more palatable to them…

      • John

        Please read my reply above.

    • John

      Nidilap: “Back during the Holocaust, the churches would sing hymns loudly as the death trains rolled by. So they couldn’t hear the screams, you see. They weren’t justifying or promoting the Holocaust…just making it more palatable to them…”

      That is not even close to analogous. The hymns did nothing for the suffering Jews. The governor’s action is analogous to those that might throw food or water to the Jews on the train or those who might shoot water hoses at the train to cool it down to give the Jews relief. This is not an attempt to make it more palatable; this is to relieve the suffering of unborn children that are being aborted. This man is a governor. He does not have the authority to end abortion. He can only limit it of which Utah is one of the most pro-life states based on state laws, and is trying to relieve the suffering of the unborn children.

      You and hundreds of others have grossly misunderstood this and/or jumped to conclusions and made horrible judgments against this man. Reread the article please and see that Planned Parenthood is against his proposed legislation. So, hundreds of pro-life advocates are siding with Planned Parenthood because they don’t understand the article.

      • Josey

        I disagree, he being a governor has more authority to speak up for the unborn than I do and is held to a higher standard.

        • John

          You are holding him to a standard that not even God holds him to. You don’t understand what authority he does and does not have. Again, I don’t even know where to start correcting the flaws in your understanding. He does not have the authority and power as a governor to overthrow a ruling from the Supreme Court. Let’s just start with that.

          • Josey

            There is power first in the name of Jesus and second in numbers and if the law of abortion was legalized in the seventies it can be undone now.

          • John

            It can be but that whole burden shouldn’t be put on the governors as though all it takes is for them to come together. We all have a role to play. I’m tired of the red herrings so please have the final word if you like Josey, I’m dusting my feet off.

  • afchief

    Fact #1: Every abortion kills an innocent human being.

    Every new life begins at conception. This is an irrefutable fact of biology. It is true for animals and true for humans. When considered alongside the law of biogenesis – that every species reproduces after its own kind – we can draw only one conclusion in regard to abortion: every single abortion ends the life of an innocent human being.

    Fact #2: Every human being is a person.

    Personhood is properly defined by membership in the human species, not by stage of development within that species. A living being’s designation to a species is determined not by the stage of development but by the sum total of its biological characteristics.

    Fact #3: Beginning at conception, every pregnancy involves two or more bodies.

    No matter how you spin it, women don’t have four arms and four legs when they’re pregnant. Those extra appendages belong to the tiny human being(s) living inside of them. At no point in pregnancy is the developing embryo or fetus simply a part of the mother’s body.

    Fact #4: It is just, reasonable, and necessary for society to outlaw certain choices.

    Any civilized society restricts the individual’s freedom to choose whenever that choice would harm an innocent person. Therefore, it is impossible to justify abortion by simply arguing that women should be “free to choose.”

    Fact #5: The right to not be killed supersedes the right to not be pregnant.

    The comparison between a baby’s rights and a mother’s rights is unequal. What is at stake in abortion is the mother’s lifestyle, as opposed to the baby’s life. Therefore, it is reasonable for society to expect an adult to live temporarily with an inconvenience if the only alternative is killing a child.

    Fact #6: Poverty, rape, disability, or “unwantedness” do not morally justify abortion.

    There are all sorts of circumstances that people point to as justification for their support of abortion. Since none of these circumstances are sufficient to justify the killing of human beings after birth, they’re not sufficient to justify the killing of human beings before birth.

    Fact #7: The differences between embryos and adults are differences of degree not of kind.

    Like toddler and adolescent, the terms “embryo” and “fetus” do not refer to nonhumans but to humans at particular stages of development. Human beings inside the womb are smaller, less developed, and more dependent than human beings outside the womb. These are differences of degree, not differences of kind. We can all point to other people who are bigger, stronger, smarter, or less dependent than we are, but that doesn’t make our life any less valuable or any less deserving of protection.

    Fact #8: Less than 1% of all abortions are performed to save the life of the mother.

    It is an extremely rare case when abortion is required to save the mother’s life. Of course, when two lives are threatened and only one can be saved, doctors must always save that life. However, abortion for the mother’s life and abortion for the mother’s health are usually not the same issue. Since every abortion kills an innocent human being, it is morally abhorrent to use the rare cases when abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother as justification for the millions of on demand “convenience” abortions.

    Fact #9: To be only “personally pro-life” is to not be pro-life at all.

    If abortion doesn’t kill children, why would someone be opposed to it? If it does kill children, why would someone defend another’s right to do it? Being personally against abortion but favoring another’s right to abortion is self-contradictory and morally baffling.

    Fact #10: If there is uncertainty about when human life begins, the benefit of the doubt should go to preserving life.

    It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception. However, if one personally has even a shred of uncertainty about when life begins, then they are still morally obligated to err on the side of life and NOT have an abortion. Why? Because to make a mistake about the exact time when life begins is to kill an innocent human being.

    Fact #11: Abortion is more dangerous than childbirth.

    Not only does every abortion kill an innocent human being in the womb; but abortion is also more dangerous to the mother than if she were to give birth to the child. The evidence overwhelmingly proves that the morbidity and mortality rates of legal abortion are several times higher than that for carrying a pregnancy to term.

    Fact #12: Prior to abortion’s legalization, 90% of abortions were done by doctors, not by “coat hangers in back alleys.”

    Some justify abortion on the claim that if it is outlawed, women will abort anyway and may die in the process. There are 3 problems with this hypothesis. First, it doesn’t address the ethics of abortion. Second, laws against abortion would deter most women from having one. Third, there is no evidence that illegal abortions are more dangerous than legal abortions. Of course, even if the “coat hanger” argument was true (it’s not), then it’s still morally ridiculous to legalize procedures that kill innocent babies just to make the killing procedures less dangerous to the mother.

    Fact #13: The 8 week+ unborn baby feels real physical pain during an abortion.

    Yes, every abortion kills an innocent human being. Even more alarming is the fact that beginning at the 8th week of development, an unborn baby that is aborted feels pain during the abortion. The baby feels both psychological and real physical, organic pain. Let that sink in. Of course, whether or not abortion is a painful experience to the unborn child being aborted, the child is left no less dead as a result. In talking about the question of fetal pain, we must remember that it ultimately has no bearing on the morality of abortion.

    Fact #14: Abortion is condemnable for the same reasons that slavery and genocide are.

    Networks of killing centers across the globe are eliminating “unwanted, unborn” children at a staggering rate. Were the context not abortion, the world would be outraged. Call it what you want, when an innocent group of human beings is targeted and exterminated by the millions, that is an injustice on par with any of history’s most egregious atrocities. At the end of the day, if the unborn are people (and they are), then abortion is not only comparable to past crimes against humanity but is also, by sheer volume, the greatest holocaust of all.

    Fact #15: Abortion is not a “women’s only” issue.

    Abortion affects both men and women. Beyond that, abortion is a human issue, not a gender issue. If abortion kills innocent human life (it does), then everyone, male and female, should stand against it. One doesn’t need to be a young girl to take a position against the sex trafficking of young girls, and one doesn’t need to be a woman to take a position against abortion.

    Fact #16: Every legal surgical abortion stops a beating heart and terminates measurable brain waves.

    What do we call it when a person no longer has a heartbeat or brain waves? Death. It’s a scientific fact that life begins at conception, but even more obvious; what should we call it when there is a heartbeat and there are brain waves? Life. It is an indisputable fact that each and every legal surgical abortion in America today stops a beating heart and stops already measurable brain waves.

    Fact #17: The right to not be killed supersedes the right to privacy.

    Some defend abortion by claiming that they have a right to privacy. Whether they have an abortion or not is between them and their doctor. Everyone else should stay out of their business. Of course, if abortion kills an innocent human being (it does), then killing done in private is no more acceptable than killing done in public; and the encouragement or assistance of a doctor does not change the nature, consequences, or morality of abortion.

    Fact #18: Abortion disproportionally targets minority babies.

    Whatever the intent of the abortion industry may be, by functional standards, abortion is a racist institution. In the United States, black children are aborted at 5 times the rate of white children and Hispanic children don’t fare much better. Abortion is the leading cause of death among black Americans. We can debate the racial intent of Planned Parenthood past and present, but we cannot debate the results. Abortion is by no means an equal opportunity killer.

    Fact #19: Abortion has become a form of gendercide, shrinking the global female population at an alarming rate.

    On top of the fact that every abortion kills an innocent human being, abortion has also become the driving force in eliminating females around the globe. Estimates put the global gender gap somewhere between 100 and 200 million people. Abortion has become the most effective means of sexism ever devised, ridding the world of multitudes of unwanted females.

    Fact #20: Laws concerning abortion have significantly influenced whether women choose to have abortions.

    Some will concede that every abortion kills an innocent human being. They will also concede that society has a right to outlaw choices that harm innocent human beings. But even after conceding those points, some still do not favor more stringent abortion laws because they think that they don’t really work – there would still be too many abortions. Historical data, common morality, and basic legal theory prove this line of thinking to be false.

    http://www.abortionfacts. com/

    • Josey

      Thanks for posting that info 🙂

  • Coach

    Let me get this right, abolish the death penalty, now let’s talk about a more humane way to murder the innocent.

    Woe to those who call good evil and call evil good.

  • John

    You are sick if you would rather the children suffer needlessly to make a political point about abortion. This man and his state are very pro-life. They want to end abortion and have the laws already in place if Roe v Wade is overturned. Being that they cannot end abortion, they are trying to relieve the suffering of the aborted children and set a create legislation that recognizes the suffering of aborted children. And you want the children to suffer more to make a point?

    • jael2

      What is truly sickening is that for forty years, Republicans in particular, have been throwing their constituents a bone, to win re-election. Look what happened with the Republican nominated majority that brought us Roe v Wade. The only law that would be acceptable with Almighty God, is that the sixth commandment is observed and obeyed: Thou shall not murder. And since abortion is murder ( with or without anesthesia) those who commit such acts should face the death penalty, just like all other premeditated murders of those born.
      No Sir, all the incremental political pandering hasn’t worked for 40 years, ( and sixty million dead infants later) you expect me to believe that the governor of Utah will eventually end it with his faulty and unbiblical thinking?

      • John

        Stop with the stupid red herrings already! This is about relieving the suffering of those aborted. If you aren’t for that, you are disgusting. You have lost the ability to reason.

        • jael2

          I’ve been involved with prolife ministry for over 26 years, and I’ve failed to meet one frontline warrior with your reasoning.( I emphasize “frontline warrior”). We have no lack of armchair “pro-life” politicians, who are always willing to negotiate away the lives of the preborn. ( term limits, parental notification, methodologies of the killing process, and then you can kill the baby….)
          Next comes grandma and grandpa…..first sedate, then negate.

        • John


          You do not even understand my reasoning, how could you say you haven’t met one with it? You falsely accuse me of compromise. I never once said anything about compromise. I will never stop fighting until abortion is completely illegal. NO abortion for medical reasons, NO abortion for rape, NO abortion for anything. Does that sound like compromise to you?

          Like I said, stop with the stupid red herrings and now straw men. This legislation has nothing to do with compromising with abortionists. The abortionists don’t want this legislation so you are actually a “frontline warrior” for them right now. This legislation may save lives since it will increase the costs of getting an abortion. As costs go up, demand goes down.

  • robertzaccour

    Ok Gary, how about someone use anesthesia on you when they murder you? Murder is not humane by any means.

  • robertzaccour

    I would like to see governors, senators, representatives, mayors, etc. band together and put pro-life ads on TV explaining the facts and that people have other options. Certainly they can afford to lose one campaign ad for themselvs and speak for the defenseless babies.

  • disqus_nzTitq5wqD

    Dehumanizing the baby is one if the most effective strategies abortion mills use to further their agenda.
    Needing to “knock the baby out” before they are aborted humanizes the child and would also make the mother think twice about what she is doing.

    They should make this a federal law.

  • FoJC_Forever

    There is no such thing as “humane abortion”. Abortionists murder babies. Whether the baby is awake or put to sleep with drugs doesn’t change this heinous and horrific act being performed in America under the guise of healthcare.

    Judgement is coming.