‘Pope Francis’ Says Roman Catholics, Christians Should Seek Forgiveness From Homosexuals

PopeROME (Reuters)  Jorge Bergoglio, who goes by the name “Pope Francis,” said on Sunday that Christians and the Roman Catholic Church should seek forgiveness from homosexuals for the way they had treated them.

Speaking to reporters aboard the plane taking him back to Rome from Armenia, he also said the Church should ask forgiveness for the way it has treated women, for turning a blind eye to child labor and for “blessing so many weapons” in the past.

In the hour-long freewheeling conversation that has become a trademark of his international travels, Francis was asked if he agreed with recent comments by a German Roman Catholic cardinal that the Church should apologize to gays.

Francis looked sad when the reporter asked if an apology was made more urgent by the killing of 49 people at a gay club in Orlando, Florida this month.

He recalled Church teachings that homosexuals “should not be discriminated against. They should be respected, accompanied pastorally.”

He added: “I think that the Church not only should apologize … to a gay person whom it offended but it must also apologize to the poor as well, to the women who have been exploited, to children who have been exploited by (being forced to) work. It must apologize for having blessed so many weapons.”

The Church teaches that homosexual tendencies are not sinful but homosexual acts are, and that homosexuals should try to be chaste.

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Francis repeated a slightly modified version of the now-famous “Who am I to judge?” comment he made about gays on the first foreign trip after his election in 2013.

“The questions is: if a person who has that condition, who has good will, and who looks for God, who are we to judge?”

FORGIVENESS, NOT JUST APOLOGY

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that the pope, by saying “has that condition”, did not imply a medical condition but “a person in that situation”. In Italian, the word “condition” can also mean “situation”.

“We Christians have to apologize for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gays), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologize! Forgiveness! Lord, it is a word we forget so often!” he said.

Francis has been hailed by many in the gay community for being the most merciful pope toward them in recent history and conservative Catholics have criticized him for making comments they say are ambiguous about sexual morality.

He told reporters on the plane “there are traditions in some countries, some cultures, that have a different mentality about this question (homosexuals)” and there are “some (gay) demonstrations that are too offensive for some”.

But he suggested that those were not grounds for discrimination or marginalization of gays.

The pope did not elaborate on what he meant by seeking forgiveness for the Church “having blessed so many weapons”, but it appeared to be a reference to some Churchmen who actively backed wars in the past.

In other parts of the conversation, Francis said he hoped the European Union would be able to give itself another form after the United Kingdom’s decision to leave.

“There is something that is not working in that bulky union, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water, let’s try to jump-start things, to re-create,” he said.

He also denied reports that former Pope Benedict, who resigned in 2013, was still exercising influence inside the Vatican.

“There is only one pope,” he said. He praised Benedict, 89, for “protecting me, having my back, with his prayers”.

Francis said he had heard that when some Church officials had gone to Benedict to complain that Francis was too liberal, Benedict “sent them packing.”


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  • Joe

    Seek forgiveness? If that catholic does place his trust SOLELY in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as sufficient payment for his or hers sins then yes they do need forgiveness. But the pope does not believe the word of God and teaches a pagan works religion which originated from Babylon and now resides in Rome. Pathetic wolf in sheep’s clothing is he!

  • Amos Moses

    They need Christs forgiveness ………….. we do not need theirs ………………. They have offended God ………… all we did was point out their …… hmmmmmmmmm ……….. how does the bible put that ……..

    1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, ……………………..

    and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    Got what they asked for now, did they not …………….

    • Theodore Fenton

      That’s not much of an apology, Amos.

      • Amos Moses

        i have nothing to apologize for …………….. to you or to the LGBLTQRSTUVWXYZ, etc……………. …i have already REPENTED to Christ for my sins ……………

    • Alicia Holland

      Wait a minute…. are you implying that the people who died in the Orlando shooting, “Got what they asked for”????????

      • Amos Moses

        They asked to be left alone and to not be bothered by christians and their judgement …….. to go about doing what they want to do……………..and they were doing just that …… were they not ……….. what else needs to be said …………. evil met evil that night ……. and evil does what evil does …………. it devours …………….. even other evil ……………..

    • Theodore Fenton

      That’s not much of an apology, Amos.

      • Amos Moses

        Did they not delete that comment ………….

  • Amos Moses

    ‘LAST POPE’ PROPHECY GIVES FRANCIS’ PREFECT ‘SHIVERS’
    Sees lightning strike on St. Peter’s dome as ‘sign from above’

    WND

    • Charles

      Makes sense..

      Luk 10:18 KJV
      (18) And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

      • Joshua Krug

        Barack means lightning. I am hoping he falls at the feet of Jesus Christ and Satan falls along with him and squarely beneath him.

        • Charles

          Oh they will be on there feet one day acknowledging the Lord Jesus Christ.. We all will… Going to be a great day 🙂

          • Joshua Krug

            Not according to the prophets.

          • Charles

            That’s according to the Word of God.

            Rom 14:11-12 KJV
            (11) For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
            (12) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

          • Joshua Krug

            No, what you said, was not according to God’s word, you said, “Going to be a great day.” With a smiley.

          • Charles

            I know’s there is a point you are getting at.. Not sure what it is.

        • Charles

          Oh I get it.. You think Obama IS the Antichrist.. Well he is an Antichrist for sure… But he doesn’t look right in scarlet and purple.

          • Joshua Krug

            No, actually, quite the opposite is what I am hoping for.

  • Charles

    “He recalled Church teachings that homosexuals “should not be discriminated against. They should be respected, accompanied pastorally.”

    Where is that in the Bible again? Notice the word “Church” teachings.. Not the Bible folks.. They don’t teach the Bible.. The majority worship the man made system that is the Catholic Church, not the Lord Jesus Christ..

    • Joshua Krug

      James says that out of the mouth comes blessing and cursing and this shouldn’t be.

    • Mellow Fellow

      Agreed. As everyone knows, christian doctrine requires us to discriminate and be disrespectful to those deemed unworthy by Jesus. Anytime I see somebody treating another human as a lesser being I assume they are christian, because only those dirty heathens treat others with respect.

      • Charles

        ” Anytime I see somebody treating another human as a lesser being I assume they are Christian, because only those dirty heathens treat others with respect.”.

        That’s just a silly statement… Some people live God’s Word.. Other’s have no desire to.. Simple as that.

        • Mellow Fellow

          “Gays should not be discriminated against. They should be respected, accompanied pastorally.”

          What specific parts of this statement do you disagree with? Seems to me that you want to discriminate and be disrespectful under the banner of god.

          • Charles

            “What specific parts of this statement do you disagree with? Seems to me that you want to discriminate and be disrespectful under the banner of god”.

            If by discriminate, you mean accept as they are with no desire to change? Or those wishing to leave the lifestyle and take up the cross.. You background shouldn’t matter.. We are all wretched. Your past shouldn’t and doesn’t matter when you follow the Lord. However, if you mean by discriminate as in accept them as living the lifestyle of a homosexual and being part of the Church, then no.. That’s not acceptable.. All of this can be done respectfully.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Homosexuals are not welcomed or accepted at church. Got it.

          • Charles

            You don’t comprehend very well.. If you CHANGE (No it doesn’t happen overnight), of course you can.. As Paul said.. “Such were some of you”…

          • Mellow Fellow

            Word salad response.

            “Accepting them as living the lifestyle of a homosexual and being part of the Church is not acceptable” – Charles

            That is essentially what you wrote. You don’t think gays should be accepted in the church, there is no other possible interpretation.

          • Charles

            Not in that current state no… Can’t do that… Must be repentant of it. Same thing goes for other sins, such as adultery, thieves, fornication, etc..

          • Mellow Fellow

            I don’t see that in conflict with what the Pope said.

          • Oboehner

            “They should be respected” “both of them have committed an abomination”
            No conflict there?

          • Mellow Fellow

            None that I can see. Every person has committed a sin.

          • Oboehner

            Do they deserve respect because of that sin? I don’t think so.

          • Mellow Fellow

            They deserve the same respect given to all sinners, no more, no less.

          • Amos Moses

            They are unrepentant sinners and have no desire to repent ………….. not the same thing ………… kind of like oranges and orangutans ………….. sound the same … sort of ………….. but aint ………..

          • Mellow Fellow

            You have an entire lumber shipyard in your eye. Only a false prophet would claim to know what lies in the heart of another, let alone millions of souls.

          • Amos Moses

            Sure …….. what ever you say ………….. but you are misusing a scripture you do not even seem to understand ……… and it is out of context ………..

            1 Corinthians
            5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
            5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
            5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
            5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
            5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
            5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
            5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
            5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
            5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
            5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

            6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
            6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
            6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
            6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

            Bringing unbelievers into the church destroys the church …………… any are welcome to come and hear and learn and then come to repentance …….. but the parishioners are there to conform to Christ ….. NOT Christ to them …. nor is His church to conform to the unbeliever ………….. anyone working for or in a homosexual relationship, “marriage”, or for others to be in that state ….. is NOT working to understand Christ ………….. we are fully authorized by scripture to judge those who say they are part of the church ……. your misuse of scripture not withstanding ………..

          • Mellow Fellow

            You proclaimed to know that all gays are unrepentant (not just the ones in a committed relationships), that is a wholly dishonest and disingenuous statement that no true christian would never say. Your bigoted libel has left a permanent scar on your soul, repent and be saved.

          • Amos Moses

            They are not lost because they are homosexual ……………. they are homosexuals because they are lost …………. it is not a claim ………… it is SCRIPTURE …………….. so if SCRIPTURE is bigoted …… that be me ……………. i am not ashamed of the GOSPEL nor of Christ ………

          • Mellow Fellow

            You are claiming to be a prophet who knows what lies in the hearts of every gay person, that is blasphemy. It’s no wonder you are infamously known for being a false christian.

            How long are you going to wallow in sin rather than ask for repentance? If you died today your soul would be pulled straight to hell, do you not know god’s love?

          • Amos Moses

            There is no such thing as a homosexual christian ………….. those who claim it open themselves up to the judgment of the church as to if they are or not ….. i do not need to know their heart …………. their words and actions are sufficient to judge them ………….

          • Mellow Fellow

            What demon tricked you into believing you have the gift of prophecy and can see what lies in the hearts of every gay person? Jesus died so that gays could repent and be forgiven, for this sacrifice you mock him by casting stones. You are not free of sin, instead you wield it like a sword. Your very actions speak to the fact that your character betrays christ.

          • Amos Moses

            “Jesus died so that gays could repent and be forgiven, ”

            Yep, He surely did ……………. but there are no homosexual christians ………. it is a contradiction in terms ………. you do not get to embrace Christ and embrace sin ………. that is not REPENTANCE ……………….

          • Mellow Fellow

            Anyone who denies the existence repentant gays is not a christian, but a fool following satan. Salvation is available to all, not just the sinners you think are worthy, which you are not.

          • Amos Moses

            If they are TRULY repentant ……….. then they are not homosexual ………….. if they are homosexual ………… they are not truly repentant …………… there are no repentant murderers who still murder and are murderer christians ……………….. there are no repentant thieves who still commit theft and are thief christians ……….. there are no repentant adulterers who are still in adultery and are adulterer christians …………….. Sorry …………….. does not work that way …………….. there are no sin hyphenated christians …………………. to be in open egregious sin is not christianity ………… it is a meld of egregious sin and christianity and is not christianity in any way, shape or form ………….

          • Mellow Fellow

            Wrong, you are a false prophet who revels in blatant lies and spreading hate. You deny the existence repentant gays, as compulsive liar you will never become a christian, but remain a fool who is in love with sin.

          • Amos Moses

            i am not a prophet at all ……….. there are no prophets …………….. the office of prophet is closed …………. has been since 400 years before Christ was born …….. Malachi was the last prophet ………….. so not sure what you are even talking about ………… do you ………..

            “You deny the existence repentant gays”

            There is no such thing ………….. and scripture says so ……………

            1Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

            ……. the operative word there ……………. WERE …………. “And such were some of you” ………. “WERE” as in PAST TENSE …………… not currently …………….. PAST TENSE ………….

          • Mellow Fellow

            If you think that verse absolves you of the sins of compulsively lying and claiming to be a prophet, you are sorely mistaken and will pay for it with your eternal soul. Scripture deals harshly with people like you.

          • Amos Moses

            You do not even seem to know what sin is ………… so your opinion is moot ….. FYI, never claimed to be a prophet ……. there are no prophets ….. that office is closed ……. has been for over 2400 years …… you may have the last word …….

          • Mellow Fellow

            You claim to have seen what is written on the hearts of millions and are fit to judge their sin, besides being a blatant lie, it’s blasphemy.

          • Horatio Socks

            Are there murderous christians?

          • Mellow Fellow

            Is that supposed to be a trick question? Because the answer is obviously yes if you believe in the salvation of christ. I’m not even going to touch the Inquisition or the fact that most “christians” want us to bomb muslim countries out of existence.

          • Oboehner

            Not what I asked, do they deserve respect because of that sin?

          • Mellow Fellow

            Yes, they deserve the same respect given to all sinners. Do you think that sinners in general deserve to be disrespected? Love the sinner, hate the sin.

          • Oboehner

            Not what I asked, do they deserve respect BECAUSE of that sin?

          • Mellow Fellow

            Do you deserve respect BECAUSE of your sin? It’s the same answer.

          • Oboehner

            Do you respect pedophiles then?

          • Mellow Fellow

            I give you the same respect I give to all sinners, admitting your sin of being a pedophile is a big step, as such I’m proud of you.

          • Oboehner

            Admitting wasn’t part of the papal shtick. Lame attempts at ad hominem really shows your true colors as well.

          • Mellow Fellow

            I asked of your sin (as everyone is a sinner) and you replied that it was the sin of pedophilia. Otherwise you would not have included the word “then” at the end of your sentence. Is english not your first language? I’d like to know if I can take you at your word or if I have to treat you like a small child who doesn’t understand the meaning of syntax.

          • Oboehner

            I see you have the sin of false witness (among others).

          • Mellow Fellow

            Actually, I’m honest to a fault. But I am far from sinless, I have a very cute and innocent face and demeanor, so girls feel safe with me and prior to my conversion, I took more than my share of girl’s virginities.

          • Horatio Socks

            You can come to church to be changed to a non-practicing homosexual as Jesus said.

          • Mellow Fellow

            I agree with you, my issue is with these false christians like Charles and Amos who believe non-practicing homosexuals are not allowed into the church. They wear their bigotry like a badge of honor, rather than the stain of sin that it really is.

          • Guest

            Homosexuals, fornication, murderers, liars, idolaters, thieves….. are all welcomed at my church, however, all have to turn away from those sins and accept Jesus as their personal Saviour. Once one becomes committed to following Christ, it becomes easier to refrain from those sins.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Sounds like you go to a decent church. My contention is with those who think they can bar people from church for past sin.

          • Guest

            God will judge those who falsely accuse others. No one should allow another person to stop/interfere with their relationship with Christ.

          • Gena B

            I think the question should be “What is meant by being accompanied pastorally?” Does that mean he will hold their hand and say their lives are in line with scripture? Or just hang out and BBQ or what?

          • Watcher

            Gay people should be scolded, rebuked and chased away from Church. Remember even the lepers and people with crushed testicles were not allowed in the congregation of Israel worshippers

          • Mellow Fellow

            Gays are allowed in all christian churches, any building that turns anyone away for their past sin is not following the word of Jesus and therefore is not a church. But as you said, true churches must also refuse entrance by anyone with a physical deformity or sickness, if your church allows them in you might as well be serving satan. Cripples think they are so entitled, I laugh at seeing them try to get into my church only to get rebuffed at the door.

          • Horatio Socks

            As you stated yourself….. ‘Past sin’. If you are ‘proud’ to be living in a homosexual relationship, you aren’t repentant. If you are not repentant, you are not regenerated.

          • Watcher

            You answering to your own comment not mine.

          • Guest

            And you under the banner of equality and tolerance. The irony…

          • Mellow Fellow

            I’m not the one wanting to disrespect others, that would be Charles.

      • Guest

        So now you are doing the very thing you accuse Christians of, making assumptions, being disrespectful and name calling. Not every Christian is the same and to believe such is the same as “christians” who mistreat others based on their faith. You are just as ugly if not worse because you want cry for tolerance yet are intolerant. Sad, sad.

        • Mellow Fellow

          Do you not know how sarcasm works? I was simply laying out how insane the OP comments were, he is the one upset about giving respect to others.

          • Guest

            You can’t fight fire with fire. I’m sure if you are a reasonable, rational human being you’d agree. My problem is when one abhors a behavior then in turn does the very same thing in retaliation in the name of justice. How can assume anything about Christians as a whole? That’s the same a ppl judging homosexuals.

          • Mellow Fellow

            I agree with you 100% and that was what I was trying to convey, unfortunately writing is not my forte.

      • lizk

        Jesus had compassion on the people, he lived out the life we should of had, He always did His Father’s will and we should do God’s will. It’s not our righteousness but Christ’s righteousness that we put on and the Holy Spirit will help us walk in all His ways.

    • Anthony Gonzales

      You you can quote the popes as saying that “the church is above the word” BLASPHEMY because “His bride is His church” and “The word is GOD”!

    • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

      Does your church teach that homosexuals should be discriminated against? If so, where is that in the bible?

      • Charles

        My Church is the Word of the Living God.. I don’t belong to a local Church.. Still looking… There are many place in the Bible not allowing unrepentant sinners in the Church.. It would destroy the Church if you allowed that behavior to go on unabated.

        • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

          If I understand you, you interpret Scripture on your own and don’t follow any particular set of doctrines. So does “the Word of Living God” say that homosexuals should be discriminated against? And , if so, where?

          • Charles

            No. The doctrines I follow are the Holy Bible. They are not from an “Earthly Church” (i.e the catholic church).. There is plenty of scripture about homosexuality and all the other sins man is so fond of. I was asked this same question earlier. If you are living in sin while claiming to be “Christian” with no repentance, you are not a follower in Christ. Hence:

            2Co 6:14-15 KJV
            (14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
            (15) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

            Eph 5:11-17 KJV
            (11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
            (12) For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
            (13) But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
            (14) Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
            (15) See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
            (16) Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
            (17) Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

            A Christian should have no fellowship with those whom love darkness (Sin) assuming someone wishes to be part of the Body of Christ (His real Church).. If not, well that’s a personal decision. There is no such thing as “Same Sex Marriage”… It’s an abomination unto the Lord. God created marriage (Man+Woman). Neither you, I, or anyone else has any authority to redefine God’s Laws. The world keeps trying to though. I can promise, it won’t work out well for those who continue to revel in sin.

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            Since you don’t follow the doctrines of an “Earthly Church” I assume you consider all churches earthly which may account for your not yet finding a “local” church. If, on the other hand, you believe that there are some churches who are not earthly and with whose doctrines you agree at least in part, then there must be something in Scripture to justify discrimination against homosexuals. And I don’t mean passages that condemn homosexuality. I specifically mean passages that imply that we should discriminate against them. Maybe a better term would be to ostracize them.

          • Charles

            I follow the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ (The Holy Bible).. Period. There is a Universal Church that is not of this earth (As in NOT a physical Church).. Jesus Christ Church contains all of those people written in the Book of Life on this planet. I don’t go without from Church.. I listen daily to sermons from many Pastors.. There are many still here.. Always will be. Some go to Church because they think spending a few hours once a week will get them saved. Yet, they go on living their lives how they always had according to the flesh. With any Church, there are always at least a few believers in them. We have believers in Christ In these discussion boards. I don’t believe we should intend to hurt anyone, physically, or mentally.. However, that really doesn’t have any bearing on the truth of the Lords Words. The truth is. Sin is evil. Homosexuality, Adultery, etc. Is sin.

          • lizk

            there is a church that teaches the word and are they perfect, no, but they do teach the truth

          • Charles

            If we stand with the Words of our Lord (Irrespective of a physical Churches), who can be against us? No one.

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            Sorry, I didn’t read your whole comment. I guess you would include fornicators and adulterers, too. For example, you could say that a young engaged couple living together before marriage love darkness. I agree it’s a sin, and the Bible makes it clear that they have no part in the Kingdom. But for some reason we don’t seem to have as strong a need to exclude them from fellowship.

            It’s a good thing Jesus had no problem having fellowship with sinners. He was able to reach their hearts and bring them to repentance. We ought to be following His example. We are to be in the world, even if we are not of it. Otherwise, how are sinners supposed to hear the Gospel?

            And PLEASE do not cut and paste proof texts. I find that very annoying and presumptuous.

          • lizk

            Luke 13:3 unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.! so we need to repent of our sins and run away with God’s help we cannot to it ourselves.

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            That has nothing to so with what I said.

          • IzTheBiz

            You are totally confusing two things, we are NOT to have fellowship with the works of darkness, which includes those PRACTICING homosexuality (not just inclined) and it will include anyone who is WILLFULLY sinning and UNREPENTENT!! That includes adulterers etc.. BUT, that is different to befriending them and loving them, so that they may turn from their sin. You can’t be in fellowship with God and be an adulterer etc.. Therefore you can’t be in fellowship with believers as that would be condoning their sin. , Paul did it. And of course, Jesus did!! look at their example.

          • IzTheBiz

            Christians should ‘discriminate’ against SIN, i.e discern good and evil. Do you really need a scripture for that?? If so, how can you or your pope claim to be followers of Jesus Christ??? Sin is sin, not just homosexual acts, but also adultery, lying stealing etc etc.. Are we to apologise to all the other sinners? It’s God who offers forgiveness for sin. What about women who commit abortion? Calling out sin for what it is is compassionate. That is not something to apologise for.The pope may be trendy by saying such things, but he is not compassionate. To tell a person living in unrepentent sin that they are OK and that people should apologise to THEM is not compassionate and he will be held accountable on the day of judgement. I feel sorry for you Catholics, you have to do somersaults to defend the ridiculous things that come out of this heretics mouth (and all the other heretics gone before him) It would be much easier just to follow God’s word!

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            I won’t dignify this obnoxious rant with a reply.

          • IzTheBiz

            That’s a cop out when you don’t have a reply! Stop defending a carnal human being who pretends to speak for the King of Kings and is unable to articulate basic fundamental Christian doctrines to his flock. Shame on you and shame on this man!

          • http://verbus.dreamhosters.com OneBreadOneBody

            You are a sad angry person. I will have no fellowship with your darkness.

          • IzTheBiz

            worshiping a human being is idolatry!

  • Joshua Krug

    I’m not sure about the author of this article, but the Church teaches that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. God is a God of order. It is sin, in thought, word and deed.

  • TheBottomline4This

    If a person is telling the truth in the best way they can, then no they don’t need to seek “forgiveness” for telling the truth. If they’re sharing the truth in a nasty way, then they do need to apologize for their nasty attitude.
    As an ex-catholic, I’m so glad pope doesn’t have any sway in my life anymore.

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    Let’s see, “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” (Lev 20:13 KJV) The “Pope” clearly speaks for Satan.

  • Nedd Kareiva

    When these sinning miscreants apologize to the Indiana pizzeria, Washington State Florist, Oregon baker, Colorado baker, New Mexico photographer, Illinois and Hawaii B & B owners, etc., then we will do so. Until then, Mr. Pope, forget about it!

    • Becky

      Umm…no…even if they apologize to those Christian business owners…Christians do not owe them an apology, especially for believing/teaching that homosexuality is a sin as God Almighty commands in his word.

  • Gena B

    Is the Pope in the closet, while cracking the door open perhaps? Makes you kind of wonder, but then again it is the “Catholic” church.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Pope is wrong. The Western world, the former Christendom, needs to apologize to God for all its blasphemies and for promoting and funding infanticide and Sodomy in the already-suffering world, although sins are every individual and every nation’s fault. The West’s inclination to abnormal sexual depravity has been hurting the global children. The Westerners should return to the Holy Bible and start doing what is right instead of upholding immorality unconditionally. The West is not sorry for any atrocities of yesteryears. No more slavery to the Western pervs. People have rights to morality and normality. The Church must continue teaching the Word of God instead of appeasing the Western pervs. Cultures do mega evil by opposing the Holy Bible.

  • gatekeeper96740

    This pope is a leftist, just like the idiot leftist that have penetrated the entire system,school,govt and churches.

    He’s toxic.

  • Reason2012

    Next up from Pope: “God is going to have to ask those into the behavior of homosexuality for forgiveness for Sodom and Gomorrah.” This is why people need to read the Bible and not rely a man leading a man-made religion on what God says – it will become clear very quickly upon reading the gospels again for yourself how this “pope” is yet another false teacher.

    No, Mr. Francis, we need to seek God’s forgiveness for our lifetime of sinning (including the behavior of homosexuality). And we need to thank Christians for risking the hate of those into that behavior to tell them the gospel of Jesus Christ in the hopes they may turn away from sinful behavior.

    Meanwhile, Mr. Francis, why do you keep teaching that Islamists and Christians follow the same God, and since it’s islamists that are_killing those into homosexuality in 13 countries, and while 49 of them were just slaughtered in the name of_islam, you really need to be telling Islamists they “need to ask forgiveness from those into homosexuality for how they have treated them”.

  • Reason2012

    Contrary to what Mr. Francis, a false teacher, says, homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin by God, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination …”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

  • Rick

    If people act hateful toward the gay community, they should humble themselves and ask forgiveness. God’s word is quite clear that it is a sinful lifestyle but that doesn’t mean we are to hate them. We are to show them love and that Christ offers grace to all who repent and believe.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Jesus cursed child-abusers. Exposure to homosexuality is a child-abuse. Children have rights to innocence. Today’s Western culture is insane. The Church must not submit to sexual depravity or mental illness. The offense would be worse than 500 years ago.

      • Rick

        Jesus didn’t curse anyone. He rebuked them and revealed to them the judgement that was pending if they act a certain way. To label every homosexual a child-abuser is ridiculous. What you are attempting to do is quantify sin. Do you think that you are any less of a sinner and any more exonerated by your behavior?
        If you are guilty of breaking one of God’s laws you are guilty of breaking the whole law.
        You might want to take a second look at 1 Corinthians 13 or 1 John 4 and try to understand what love looks like. There aren’t conditions on who to love, it is simply a command.
        We are not to judge the world, they stand judged already. We are to share the law and grace to them so that they can understand the fate that awaits them when they do perish.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Yes, Jesus cursed child-abusers. He said it’s better for them to die. Read the Bible text. He gave sexual offenders( not involving a child) unspecified time for repentance, so they are not executed like in the Old Testament era. No one forces anyone not to love, but the society forces people to endorse homosexuality and transgenderism and brainwash children to be immoral; that’s why it is a worse sin than any others in the Western world for now. Every culture has serious, deadly defects; some defects overlap but some others don’t overlap. They all hurt children. We must indeed share the Gospel but we also must fight against villains for justice in free world (Proverbs ch.24) because there are children and defenseless humans to be rescued and protected. Liberty is to worship and honor God, not to sit back and watch Sodomites( supporters of immorality) corrupt everyone in the society. (Book of Jude ch.1)

  • TopnColorado

    Isn’t the Holy Bible required reading for the Pope? Maybe his just read the “Cliff Notes”.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    Well, it’s official then. To be saved, you need the approval of the church, the pope and the saints, and also the forgiveness of unyielding homosexuals. Can’t the pope make things easier for everyone and grant a world-wide indulgence? This would really help matters. Or are we now forced to ignore the pope and the entire Roman Catholic Church and seek salvation and forgiveness by faith in Jesus Christ alone, apart from works?

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      The Catholics need to read the Holy Bible. It was so 500 years ago and still now.

  • Slidellman4life

    The pope is becoming more irrelevant. This is why.

  • Peter Leh

    If
    you prohibit the equal protect of american citizens you SHOULD
    apologize. The SBC did in 1995. Dont let a baptist better you.

  • Becky

    “’We Christians have to apologize for so many things, not just for this (treatment of gays), but we must ask for forgiveness, not just apologize! Forgiveness! Lord, it is a word we forget so often!” he said.'”

    No, not we Christians…the Catholic Church is the one that should repent for the atrocities they’ve committed against God and his people. And, why isn’t the pompous Pope commanding Muslims to “ask for forgiveness”?? They’re just as evil and barbaric as the Catholic Church, especially against homosexuals. What the Catholic Church needs to busy themselves with is their disgusting pedophile “priest” problem that has ruined the lives of wee boys!

  • Manu_ela_roy

    Get saved, Francis!

  • Payitforward

    Wow, just wow, and I am supposed to apologize to homosexuals because the pope says to? Where in the Bible could I find the admonition to Christians to do this? I would like for Jorge to tell me this.

    I would also like him to tell me how he, as the supposed Vicar of Christ, could be so astray of his teachings? I would also like to know why I should apologize to a homosexual because he/she decides to act on their sinful lusts? All Christians are admonished to live pure and holy lives, not have sodomite sex. unbelievable. I fear this man is not a believer in Christ and his teachings and is leading many straight to Hell.

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    Perhaps Francis believes God should seek the forgiveness of homosexuals for calling them an abomination and demanding death for those that practice sodomy.
    The good pope has set himself in the seat of God in the temple and is replacing God’s Commandments with his own. Paul calls such “The Man of Sin” (or Lawlessness).
    For those who don’t know, the expression “the temple of God” in 2Thes 2:4 is only used by Paul in one other place, 1Cor 3:17 were it refers to the Church and Christians. The Pope claims to be the “universal bishop”, the “Vicar of Christ” (‘vicar’ is a substitute, in Greek this would be Antichristos), the head of all Christians.

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    Homosexuality should be criminalized. Homosexuality is a crime against God and against the Holy Bible. After reading this story I know why God wrote:
    Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
    Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: :26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: :27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

  • Dianne

    When GOD apologizes for DESTROYING Sodom and Gommorah, as well as saying that sexually immoral people will be thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE to be eternally tormented and ALL THE REST of HOLY SCRIPTURES that calls for the ETERNAL PUNISHMENT of evil men who do not repent, then I will apologize.
    Should we also apologize to alcoholics that kill people while drunk driving, or pedophiles for raping our children or drug dealers for addicting our children, or thieves for breaking into our homes, or murders for killing our family members and neighbors….. How many evil doers do we apologize to for their blight on mankind Mr. POOP
    aka Pope Francis, Antichrist/False Prophet, BIG FAT LIAR….