Canada Considering Gender-Neutral Identity Cards as Prime Minister Marches in ‘Gay Pride’ Parade

Justin Trudeau(Reuters) Canada is exploring the use of gender-neutral options on identity cards, Justin Trudeau told a television station on Sunday as he became the first Canadian prime minister to march in a gay pride parade.

Trudeau, who participated in the downtown Toronto parade along with other politicians, did not give details, saying only the government was exploring the “best way” and studying other jurisdictions.

“That’s part of the great arc of history sweeping towards justice,” he told CP24.

Last week, the Canadian province of Ontario said it would allow the use of a third gender indicator, X, for driver’s licenses, which are commonly used in North America to provide identification.

Countries including Australia, New Zealand and Nepal already allow the use of the X gender indicator.

Trudeau also said last month’s relaxation of Canadian blood-donation restrictions on men who have sex with other men was “not good enough,” saying the government was going to work toward easing it further.

According to Canadian Blood Services, men who have sex with other men can now donate after one year of abstinence, down from five years previously.

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Trudeau said Toronto’s annual parade was made more poignant this year by the shooting rampage that killed 49 people last month at the Pulse gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

“We have to remember the importance of safe spaces and safe communities, like the Pulse was, is something to uphold,” he said.


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  • Amos Moses

    The mental illness continues unabated ………….

  • bowie1

    Let us hope the blood is screened after being donated to make sure it is not infected otherwise a patient may need to bank their own blood should they need surgery.

    • Josey

      Yes, because they wouldn’t lie about being abstinent now would they? geez, this world gets crazier and crazier.

  • Becky

    “‘We have to remember the importance of safe spaces and safe communities, like the Pulse was, is something to uphold,’ he said.”

    Like the Pulse was?? How absurd. It was never a safe space or community. According to the CDC, AIDS has killed more homosexuals than any guns. That should be their main concern. If they truly care about each other, as they proclaim, ban AIDS…ban homosexuality!

    • This style ten and six

      Why not ban heterosexuality too?

    • David&Jonathan

      Homosexuality itself is harmless, when it is practiced within a monogamous relationship. Promiscuity is dangerous. Also for straight men (and women)….

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    The holder of this card is a person. It may or may not be male or female. It may or may not have blue, green, brown or surgically altered eyes. The picture on this ID card is the chosen identity of the ID card holder, and may or may not correspond with the actual appearance of her or him or it or them. All we really know is it is Canadian.

  • 201821208 :)

    “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” Isaiah 5:20-21
    “And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female” Matthew 19:4

    • David&Jonathan

      Matthew 19 doesn’t stop at verse 4. You might continue all the way down to verse 11 and 12 as well…

      • Junior Candelers

        Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Gen 18:22

        For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1.26-32

        • David&Jonathan

          The abomination part of your post does not come from Genesis, it comes from Leviticus 18 and 20. the word abomination is a semi translation of the word “Toevah”, a word used many times in the bible, but always within the context of idolatry.
          Common mis-understanding of Leviticus 18 is that it is about forbidden sexual relations in general. However, Leviticus 18:21 already shows us that something else is at play, as we find their the forbidding of passing your seed trough the fires of Molech. This is not about masturbation or anything else sexual. It talks about the ritual burning of your first born son in the fires of Molech which was common practice in those days. Odd to have such a reference in a chapter solely dedicated to sexual practices don’t you think? there is another strong indication that something else is at play. We find in Lev 18:19 the condemnation of men who have sex with a woman during her period. We find in Lev 15:24 the same “sin” not being condemned at all, only a ritual uncleanliness. As God doesn’t make mistakes, there must be something else that makes the one a mortal sin, and the other not. And the text of Lev 18 makes it clear what that context is: Molech worshipping. Within a the context of Molech worshipping, all these practices become a mortal sin, outside that context, these practices are not necessarily a sin. Leviticus 18 and 20 is not about sexual practices, it is about Molech worshipping. (same elements can be found in Lev 20). For your information, and widely documented, Molech worshipping was about fertility rituals were men (and women) had sex with everything on two and four legs.
          If you where referencing to the S&G story, that story was never about homosexuality. It was about greed, social injustice and inhospitality towards strangers. You don’t find any reference within the bible saying that S&G was about homosexuality. And none of the perceived references to homosexuality in the bible refers to S&G. And in Judges 19&20 a same story is being told. Strangers come to town, one of the strangers is being actually raped, and the town is destroyed. Only difference? A woman got raped. Does that mean that heterosexuality is condemned? Of course not. The rape of strangers, as the ultimate act of inhospitality against strangers, is condemned.
          And when it comes to Romans, ask yourself which Cause you are referring to. Romans 1 is again about idolatry. It is about ancient Romans worshipping their gods, and again with fertility rituals that made them burn with lust, in such a way that they had not only sex according to THEIR nature, but also the other way around.
          None of these references in the bible are relevant when it comes to homosexuality in loving and caring relationships. Proof of that can be found in the story about David & Jonathan as well as Ruth & Naomi.
          Even Jesus confirmed that the nature of some men are different from others and are born so from mothers womb. He didn’t have problems with healing the toy boy of a Roman soldier (he actually praised them for their love and their trust in him). The last supper was in a home of a gay couple. And last not but not least, changes are bigger that Jesus was gay then that he was straight, given the “beloved disciple”.

  • Stephen W.

    A great man indeed. May PM Trudeau and his family remain safe from harm.

    • TheBottomline4This

      We don’t expect you to think any other way Theodore Fenton.

      • Stephen W.

        By continuing to use that name, you jeopardize my safety and that of my family. I’ve told you I have received threats from radical right-wing extremists masquerading as Christians. You have been duly advised.

        • TheBottomline4This

          First of all, this is the first time I’ve seen you say this. I do not revolve my life around checking every comment.
          Secondly, you advise me of nothing. You are the one who advertises it on you disqus page. You have your comments hidden, but this still shows…”Stephen W.@theodorefenton”
          If you are receiving threats, welcome to the club Theo. I have received threats from left-wing extremists, just like others on here have.
          You have been duly advised.

          • axelbeingcivil

            If you claim to be a Christian, shouldn’t you show a little love for your fellow man and not take actions that deliberately expose them to threats and danger? Maybe edit/delete that post?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Theo is doing this to himself. He has the info on his disqus page. He could have done it a smarter way, but he chose otherwise with “Stephen W”.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Him being incautious doesn’t excuse you from your actions. You know now what is happening, you know you are contributing, you were asked to stop.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Theo is doing this to himself. He has the info on his disqus page.

          • axelbeingcivil

            No. You made a post drawing attention to it. You’re trying to call attention to it. That is YOU.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Riiight 😉 I or anyone else on here can call attention to things he makes public. If he really was wanting to detach himself from Theo, he would have handled it different. That is on HIM.

          • Buttergon

            So, you are unrepentant. Know what God says about that? ROFL..of COURSE you don’t. First: an undeserved curse (which you knowingly tried to inflict on another) lands on the person who sent it in the first place–sevenfold. Second, God’s signature covenant structure is ALWAYS “if you, then I.” Without repentance, there is no forgiveness. You’re pretty much screwed.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You don’t realize how wrong you are Buttercup.

          • axelbeingcivil

            That’s not an action you control. Deliberately calling attention to it is very much an action you control. Going “But he did X!” doesn’t exonerate you from your own actions; it just makes you childish.

          • Buttergon

            Thou shalt not lie. You are not responsible for what he does, you are responsible for what YOU do–and you knowingly posted sensitive information in the hope that it would stir up the pot. You are a viper. Think God is impressed? Think again, and then check that Bible that you don’t seem to know very well.

          • Buttergon

            Ah…but there’s the rub: he’d have to actually BE a Christian, not just wrap himself up in claims of Christianity. And there is NO evidence supporting his claims.

          • Junior Candelers

            Tolerate the sinner, not the sin. Love is sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ, any man that believe that Jesus is the son of God shall be saved. Christ did not come so that God would condemn the world but to save it, through Christ. Jesus saves sinners. I myself am one.

          • axelbeingcivil

            Love, by Christ’s example, is living the commandments by showing charity and compassion to one’s fellow man. Evangelizing alone doesn’t fulfill directives to give to those in need, shelter the naked, feed the hungry, and so on.

            Actively going out of your way to make life worse and, indeed, dangerous for someone else is outright contrary to all of this.

    • Guest

      He’s a failed drama teacher. How “great” can he be? 🙂

      • TheBottomline4This

        It’s mainly those who support homosexuality that “Stephen W” also know as Theodore Fenton, thinks are “great”.

      • Buttergon

        Remember that part in the Bible about “Thou shalt not lie?” You’re no Christian!

        • Junior Candelers

          Mis-quoted scripture. Not valid.

        • Guest

          Uh, it’s easily searchable. I’ve not lied at all. 🙂

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Shameful tragedies continue in Canada. The Western culture is trying to break mankind by forcing people call men women and women men. The topic and method could have been anything else since the secularists have been claiming that mankind is from apes. Those who praise the naked king’s non-existent garments are slaves to the foolish evil king and will serve the lies until the final moments. People should not be exploited to amuse these wealthy bored liberals. Canada needs Christianity for the truth and courage.

    • Guest

      Please pray for us.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes. We must resist Trudeau’s inclination to mental illness.

        • This style ten and six

          Trudeau is fine and a credit to Canada. You insult all those who are truly mentally ill.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, he is a treason to what Canada was created to stand for.

          • This style ten and six

            Canada is not persecuting Christians. I know many and they have no fear of persecution. Why do you think that same sex marriage is harming anyone? You don’t have to take part.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They force ENDORSEMENT of sexual sins which is a treason against God. Canada is in God’s hand anyway.

          • This style ten and six

            You must be a very unhappy person. I feel sorry for you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Positivity is another tyranny if it does not accompany godliness. The patterns are clearly there. Humanism can be good only if it has Christian virtues. Otherwise, it can be the worst form of tyranny.

          • David&Jonathan

            Gods Commandments: Love God and Love your neighbor. There are no laws outside these two, as all laws and commandments hang on these two. Which means, that if something does not violate the commandment Love God or Love your neighbor, it is not a sin at all. Homosexuality doesn’t violate these two commandments. Bearing false witness does. So go and sin no more…
            (matthew 22:40)

          • TheBottomline4This

            Rom. 1:26-27 proves you wrong
            “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.”
            “degrading” “unnatural” indecent” “their error”

          • David&Jonathan

            Not at all.Romans 1 confirms what I am saying. Read up what the reason was (third word in your citation). It proves that it is about sex within the context of idolatry. This is contrary to the Love God commandment. Outside that context it is perfectly fine…
            Bearing false witness made it to the famous ten though…

          • TheBottomline4This

            Wrong.

            Are you gay?

          • David&Jonathan

            Is your opinion, but without substantiation it is nothing more than that. At best a proof of prejudice.

            I am Christian. What are you?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Answer my question, then we can get to yours.
            Are you gay?

          • David&Jonathan

            I am a born homosexual, as per definition of Jesus

          • TheBottomline4This

            Yes, I am a Christian, but I doubt you are.
            You probably are a follower of the twisted Matthew Vines. He has you brainwashed.

            Again…Rom. 1:26-27 proves you wrong…”degrading” “unnatural” indecent” “their error”.

          • David&Jonathan

            Not at all.
            It talks about a situation of extreme lust within the context of idolatry. So much lust that men and women acted against their nature. So we are talking about straight men and women engaging in same sex behavior within a idolatrous lust full context.
            We know from matthew 19 already that there are men (and women) who’s nature is different. And that is not a problem at all.
            Acting against your nature, within a context of idolatry is.
            And don’t you know Romans 1 was written especially for people like you? as it is an introduction to Romans 2:

            2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

            You so conveniently leave that part out. You call yourself a “Christian” but you cleary don’t understand much of his teachings…

          • TheBottomline4This

            Again…Rom. 1:26-27 proves you wrong…”degrading” “unnatural” indecent” “their error”.

          • David&Jonathan

            Again:

            Not at all.

            It talks about a situation of extreme lust within the context of idolatry. So much lust that men and women acted against their nature. So we are talking about straight men and women engaging in same sex behavior within a idolatrous lust full context.

            We know from matthew 19 already that there are men (and women) who’s nature is different. And that is not a problem at all.

            Acting against your nature, within a context of idolatry is.

            And don’t you know Romans 1 was written especially for people like you? as it is an introduction to Romans 2:

            2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

            You so conveniently leave that part out. You call yourself a “Christian” but you cleary don’t understand much of his teachings…

          • TheBottomline4This

            Rom. 1:26-27 proves you wrong…”degrading” “unnatural” indecent” “their error”.
            What denomination are you?

          • David&Jonathan

            Romans 1, especially written for people like you, and only as an introduction to Romans 2:

            2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

            I am a protestant…

          • TheBottomline4This

            Says the one who has been judging.
            We are to not judge hypocritically. smh

            Which denomination within the protestant wall, so to speak? Do you go to a baptist, lutheran, methodist, etc?

          • David&Jonathan

            Where am I judging?

            We are to judge righteously, and Jesus told us how to do that: because no good fruit comes from bad trees, and no bad fruit from good trees… Show me your good fruits… So far you only come with smelly stuff.

            I am Dutch Reformed…

          • David&Jonathan

            not at all, degrading, unnatural, indecent and their error, all within the context of Idolatry and against the individuals own nature… as defined by Jesus himself in Matthew 19…

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            LGBT people need calls for repentance and the Gospel message of Jesus Christ for them to live. God is holy and He condemns homosexuality throughout His Word. Telling God’s truth is the true love. “Sin no more” applies to sexual sins in John ch.8. No purity -> No love.

          • David&Jonathan

            LGBT people don’t need to repent for anything (when it comes to how God has created them). God doesn’t condemn homosexuality at all, as can be found throughout his bible. We even have multiple same sex love stories throughout the bible.
            There are two commandments, Love God and Love your Neighbor. Matthew 22:40 tells you that all other laws come from these two, and without these two the other laws are meaningless. Homosexuality doesn’t violate these two commandments and is therefore not a sin. Sexual practices in the context of idolatry (Molech worshipping as in Lev 18 & 20, Roman gods as in Romans 1) are a sin. Bearing false witness is a sin against the Love your Neighbor commandment. “Sin no more” applies to sins. And as you are bearing false witness against your neighbor, which made it to the famous ten, I tell you again: Go and Sin No More….

          • TheBottomline4This

            Says the gay one.
            Hence you are biased on this topic and not able to see the truth.

          • David&Jonathan

            Which truth? your truth?
            So far it is you who is biassed. I am just basing myself on scripture.
            Gay or straight, all human beings are created in Gods image.
            There is a bigger chance that Jesus himself was gay than that he was straight, given all the references to the “Beloved Disciple”… (who was male, for the record).

          • TheBottomline4This

            You have just proven you are NOT a Christian.
            Flee satan’s pawn!!!

          • David&Jonathan

            That is your opinion, but not substantiated by anything.
            My remarks can be found in scripture. And as the bible says nothing to condemn homosexuality, why would it be a problem if Jesus was gay?
            And we all know “it runs in the family”. With David as ancestor (the one that declared that the Love of Jonathan was much more pleasant to him than the love of women), it wouldn’t be a surprise at all…

        • Buttergon

          You might want to pay attention to the plank in your own eye before you worry overly-much about the non-existent specks in the eyes of others. You also might want to actually STUDY the Bible and what it does and does not say, rather than cherry picking to suit your own bigotry.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Holy Bible prohibits homosexuality and transgenderism, but the Western authorities are forcing people to endorse those sins. It’s human rights abuses and crimes against all normal and moral people.

          • Junior Candelers

            For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1.26-32

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, but the wealthy powerful Western world forces and funds the sinful mental illness around the world. Children are at stake. Christians in free world must do whatever we can do now. At this rate, the West may ban the Holy Bible and Biblical Christianity as a hate crime again. Who knows? Children must know that there are people who fought for the truth and liberty and morality and normality. Silence is condoning the evil. It’s our generation’s turn to confront tyranny.

          • Buttergon

            Sweetie, you REALLY need to get back on your meds.

          • Junior Candelers

            Sorry, but you mis- quoted that scripture…about the speck in the eye. Reevaluate.

          • Buttergon

            Bless your heart, sweetie; I never misquote Scripture. That wasn’t a quote (you can always tell a quote by the presence of (gasp!) quotation marks); it was a paraphrase of this, which IS a quote: ““Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” ~ Matt 7:3-5, NIV.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “non-existent specks in the eyes of others”
            Caught ya in a lie Buttercup.

          • David&Jonathan

            Sorry Bottom, but within the specific context Buttergon is right. Everybody sins (specks in the eyes), but within this context there is no sin.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Yes everyone sins, but the rest of what Buttercup and you said is wrong.

          • David&Jonathan

            That is your opinion, but not substantiated by you. Therefore your opinion doesn’t count as much, except for proof of your prejudice…

          • TheBottomline4This

            And all you say is your opinion, but not substantiated by you. Therefore your opinion doesn’t count as much, except for proof of your prejudice gay one.

          • David&Jonathan

            I am using scripture to prove my point…

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are twisting Scripture to prove your point.

          • David&Jonathan

            Not at all. Scripture talks for itself.
            Matthew 22:40…

          • David&Jonathan

            Show me where I have twisted scripture…

    • This style ten and six

      It is not only secularists who accept the theory of evolution, it is accepted by virtually all scientists of all religions and none. Humans are great apes and have a common ancestor with gorillas and other apes.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Not true. The science field is a guild, like a communist nation. They exclude the believers in God and stop reasoning beyond nothingness. The Makers’ Manual, the Holy Bible, testifies that there is the Creator God and all the creation world proves the fact.

        • This style ten and six

          No sense arguing with a creationist.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Nothingness is nothingness forever; that’s the conclusion of honest scietific observations. God created the heavens and the earth. Everything was made by Jesus Christ and for Him. (Colossians ch.1)

          • Balerion

            They’re rabidly opposed to evolution because they missed out.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Do these Westerners care less about the mankind’s future because they have fewer number of descendants than others? Children have rights to the truth. It’s not fair for wealthy Canadians to push falsehood upon the poor people regardless the reasons of doing such thing. God created man and woman. Every person must keep the gender of birth.

  • Bertha Warren

    Amen! Wow! Darkness has taken over the lives of one, who do not Believe in Christ Jesus. The 66 Books of Bible is coming of the pages and dying generation is not noticing signs of the times.

    • Buttergon

      Uh…word salad. Off your meds?

  • bowie1

    Right now X is used as a restriction on our license such as being required to wear glasses as in my own case. Would a second X confuse matters I wonder? Right now I have M for sex, G for General License, and X for Restrictions. I also need to have a photo taken without my glasses, and hats or head coverings are not allowed.

  • Gena B

    God created male or female and gave us very important roles according to scriptures. If Satan can sift someone like wheat he will and has, by confusing people from even recognizing who they are. If they cannot even figure out what gender they are, then Satan knows it’s perfect confusion to keep them from understanding our creator.

    • David&Jonathan

      God starts in Genesis 2 with telling us that it is not good for a man to be alone. Therefore he creates a suitable helper for a man. Now something peculiar happens in human biology. For every 100 women, 107 men are being born. So for 100 out of 107 men, your interpretation is valid. However, for 7 out of 107 men your story doesn’t fly. And guess what? 7 divided by 207 is approx. 3.4% which is pretty close to the confirmed percentage of homosexual men as percentage of the population. As Jesus also confirms that homosexuals are born so from mothers womb, there is only one conclusion possible. God makes some men homosexual by purpose. Because humanity is about more than procreation only….

      • axelbeingcivil

        This is one of the most magical things I think I have ever heard. Wonderful.

  • This style ten and six

    Now that Canada has had same sex marriage for over ten years with no noticeable effects on society I would have thought that the haters would have calmed down. Judging by the comments above this is not the case.

    It may not be to your taste but no one is forcing anyone to marry someone of the same sex. It is no ones business but those involved so cool it. Less of the satanic invocations.

    • Junior Candelers

      If isn’t no one’s business then why parade it?

      • TheBottomline4This

        As soon as they do that, then it is our business.

        • David&Jonathan

          Just as being woken up by church bells on Sunday morning?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Maybe if you’re in an area that has those. In the cities I’ve lived in, the churches don’t have church bells.

          • David&Jonathan

            What a Godless place you live …

          • TheBottomline4This

            So you equate bells with being godly.
            Hmm, wonder what you think of bells at schools or the dinner bell or Taco Bell.

          • David&Jonathan

            We don’t have Taco bell, school bell or dinner bell.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Well the only church bell I remember is from my grade school years.

          • Bob Johnson

            Sunday morning? Be happy you don’t live in Bamberg Germany.

      • David&Jonathan

        Everybody has the right to a party now and then. We even have public holidays for the “christian business”, even though the history of those celebrations are as pagan as you can get (christmas, the worshipping of Ishtar, st. Johns day, etc.).
        If you can have your pagan festivals (which go against everything stipulated in the bible), why could gay people not have a party when they want?

        • kenster777

          Ephesians 5:11
          A True Christian does not partake in unrighteousness.
          And no I do not partake in the worldly Pagan festival’s
          No where in the Bible does Jesus condone any type of Sin’s of the Flesh
          But he does say to reprove them.
          We are to be a light to turn people away from the Darkness

          • David&Jonathan

            You might not partake in these festivals, but I don’t hear you speak out loudly against them, as people speak out here against gay pride.
            Define sin of the flesh.

          • kenster777

            Fornication, Lasciviousness, Adultery, Uncleanness, Covetousness etc.
            Galatians 5:21, I Corinthians 7:2, I Corinthians 6:9-13 & I Timothy 1:10.
            Romans 8 says walk not after the Flesh but after the spirit
            Going to a Gay Pride parade would be like going to a cheer leader convention

            If your looking for justification for sin, don’t preach from the bible
            They twist it to there own destruction.
            I am only recently posting on discuss but as the Lord leads I will

          • David&Jonathan

            Lets have a look at 1 corinthians 7:2 where it says that every man should have sex with his own wife. So no adultery. However, Jesus himself gives the exception to that rule in Matthew 19:11&12. And as for every 100 women, 107 men are being born. Which means that for 7 men God didn’t even create a woman. And as we know from Genesis 2 that God makes for every human being a fitting helper, because it is not good to be alone, we know that for those 7 another man is the fitting partner. 7 out of 207 is 3.4% which is the approx. percentage of homosexuals in society. So it fits all Gods design.

            Homosexuality has never been a sin. Homosexuality is about love, and love is the fulfillment of the law…

          • kenster777

            A Eunuch does not symbolize Homosexual behavior
            But more like Paul who gave himself only to serving the Lord 1 Corinthians 7 1-7

            Well said II Peter 3:16
            God can deliver a person from immoral sexual behavior but they first must repent
            Sexual Love is not the Equivalent to God’s Love
            The wages of sin is Death, the fulfillment of Fleshly desires is sin

            Outside marriage between a Man and a Women Matthew 19:4-6
            Roman’s 6
            Leviticus 18:22-26 and Roman’s 1:25 & 26
            Pretty much show’s how God see’s that kind of behavior
            Reproving someone is also Love

            If you see a Brother sin a sin not unto death

            Galatians 6:1 James 5:19-20

          • David&Jonathan

            You are factually wrong. The word Eunuch of the bible did have a different meaning than the meaning we attach to it in current day. There is overwhelming proof of this fact to be found in the Talmud, Roman Law of that time as well as the early Christian history as put to paper to the church “father” clemens of Alexandria:

            the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria provided a complementary perspective about the born eunuch, by way of quoting the Basilidian Christians with respect to the gospel verse about eunuchs (Stromata 3.1.1):

            Some men by birth have a nature to turn away from women, and those who are subject to this natural constitution do well not to marry. These, they say, are the eunuchs by birth.

            I have references to the Talmud and Roman Law of that time to back up my point as well, if you are interested. But I assume that the word of an early church “father” who is extremely well esteemed is sufficient for you.

            When you quote Matthew 19, please read all the way till you reach 11&12, which again refers to homosexuals as mentioned above.

            Romans 1 & Leviticus 18&22 are all about sexual relations within the context of idolatry. Romans 1 starts with describing this context. Lev 18:21 speaks about passing your seed trough the fires of Molech, which refers to scarifying your first born son by the fire of Molech. What does this passage in something that is perceived to be about sexual sins? And why is having sex with a woman during her period a grave sin according to Lev 18 & 20, while it is not a sin at all under Lev 15:24? CONTEXT. Lev 18 & 20 is not about sexual sins per se, it is about sex and other acts as part of the worshipping of Molech. And what was that worshipping about? Fertility rituals, where men and women had sex with everything on two and four legs. Temple prostitution. That is why all other references to sinful prostitutes in the bible is about cult prostitutes. That is the same thing. It is also about child sacrifice. It is all about idolatry. That is also the reason for the use Toevah (loosely translated to abomination), as this word is used many times in the bible, all within the context of idolatry.
            Idolatry is a sin against the commandment Love God. Obviously homosexuality as in a normal relationship has nothing to do with idolatry. And therefore not condemned by Lev 18&20. Same goes for Romans 1, which is not about Molech worshipping, but the worshipping of the Roman gods and the fertility cult around those gods.
            Homosexuality has never been a sin. It is not in contravention of the commandments Love God and Love your neighbor.

  • axelbeingcivil

    Works for me. It’s probably the best solution possible, given the exceptional fluidity and variability of gender conception. I’m not finding JT to be flawless, but he’s done a decent job thus far.

  • Ronald Carter

    Shock horror, the Canadian prime minister believes in not judging people based on what they do in their private lives. This is going to be completely commonplace soon, and it’s not going to adversely affect anyone’s lives in any way.

    • TheBottomline4This

      Ronny perversion is commonplace and has always been. One reason why few will make it to Heaven. See Matthew 7.

      • Ronald Carter

        Perversion – you mean like zealots shooting up abortion clinics?
        Few will make it, eh? We’ll see, won’t we?

        • TheBottomline4This

          Those nuts shooting up Abortion clinics aren’t Christian. And why would that bother you anyway given killing is going on inside. Oh the hypocrisy you live under.

  • Sharon_at_home

    As Christians: Jesus told us to Love God and To Love Thy Neighbour – with no exceptions. That means we have to love everyone: even the people we don’t like; even the people that behave in a way that we don’t agree with. Even people whose beliefs are different than ours. It’s NOT a choice – it is imperative according to Jesus. Our job as Christians is to try to get the people to recognize their sins, come to repentance, baptism, and following Jesus. God is the ONLY judge. He alone can see the heart and He alone will be Judging everyone on Judgment day.
    It’s all up to God, not us.
    But I believe that Christians are supposed to leave any judgment to God, except to ‘judge’ to ascertain whether the person is a sinner that might be shown what his sins mean and upon reflection the person will want to do what he needs to so he can follow Jesus; becoming a New Man just as the rest of Christians have.
    Getting people – any one – to come to follow Jesus. That’s our job, not to judge others. Also it is good to remember that some of the sinners that we don’t think will come to God, will repent but on the Lord’s time, not ours.

    • TheBottomline4This

      We are not to judge hypocritically. In what you said you were judging. not harshly of course, but you are still judging. Everyone judges every day. Being discerning is not a wrong thing.

      As for loving others, of course we are to love others, but that doesn’t’ mean we are to give them the impression we are accepting of any wrong doing.
      Also, Jesus knew that relationships are the most valuable asset that we have, but at times the most difficult to maintain. That’s why in John 13:34 Jesus taught, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” Then He added, “By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another” (verse 35).
      The “one another” in these verses is a reference to fellow believers. A distinguishing mark of being a follower of Christ is a deep, sincere love for brothers and sisters in Christ. The apostle John reminds us of this fact elsewhere: “He has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister” (1 John 4:21).

      • Sharon_at_home

        I’m sorry, where was I judging anyone? I posted what the Lord wanted in simpler terms, but none of it was from my own opinion really, just my interpretation/ understanding/ belief of what the Lord wants us to be like. I didn’t point fingers at anyone in judgement.
        Also, I disagree with you about the love Jesus wants us to have is for everyone – because everyone is considered to be our neighbour, not just the believers that we fellowship with. Yes, we are to love our brothers and sisters in Faith, but he also said to a scribe ”
        Mark 12 20 – 31
        29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
        30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy
        soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
        31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”
        There is no reference to it being only our fellowships that we should love.