Federal Judge Blocks Florida Law Defunding Abortion Giant Planned Parenthood

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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — A federal judge has blocked key parts of a Florida law that, among other aspects, prohibits funds from going to abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood.

As previously reportedHouse Bill 1411 reallocates funds that abortion providers had been receiving as Medicaid reimbursement, and prohibits the government from contracting with organizations that offer abortion services—with the exceptions of rape, incest and the life of the mother. Florida abortion facilities receive approximately $200,0000 a year in Medicaid funds.

“A state agency, a local governmental entity, or a managed care plan … may not expend funds for the benefit of, pay funds to, or initiate or renew a contract with an organization that owns, operates, or is affiliated with one or more clinics,” the bill reads.

Current state and federal law prohibits funds from being used toward abortion, but Florida lawmakers believe that the state shouldn’t help keep abortion facilities in business either.

“We pay their light bill, we pay their salaries, we pay all kinds of things when the state contracts with these clinics,” Sen. Aaron Bean, R-Fernandina Beach, outlined on the Senate floor prior to the passage and signing of the legislation. “Let’s get Florida out of the abortion business. That’s what this bill does.”

Planned Parenthood soon sued, challenging various aspects of the law, and asserting that it would deprive the organization of $500,000 in funding used for screenings and school dropout prevention programs. It also took issue with a requirement that medical records being inspected yearly by the state, contending that doing so would violate the privacy of patients.

“[Planned Parenthood] cannot be prevented from getting government funding just because they provide abortions,” attorney Carrie Flaxman told the Orlando Sentinel.

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On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle, appointed to the bench by then-President Bill Clinton, sided with Planned Parenthood, stating that the revocation of Medicaid funds is not “based not on any objection to how the funds are being spent … but solely because the recipients of the funds choose to provide abortions separate and apart from any public funding.”

“The Supreme Court has repeatedly said that a government cannot prohibit indirectly—by withholding otherwise-available public funds—conduct that the government could not constitutionally prohibit directly,” he wrote. “You can’t defund based on exercising a constitutional right.”

Planned Parenthood praised the ruling, but representatives for Gov. Rick Scott said that they are reviewing the opinion and considering their options.

As previously reported, in its annual report released in late December, the national office of Planned Parenthood outlined that the organization performed 323,999 abortions nationwide during the 2014-2015 fiscal year.

However, while the organization also claimed that it is “stronger than ever,” its figures showed that the number of women visiting Planned Parenthood is the lowest in almost a decade. The report totals its services provided as being 9,455,582, with business being down by nearly a million persons from the year before, when figures totaled 10,590,333.


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  • WorldGoneCrazy

    “Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
    who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
    who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.
    Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes
    and clever in their own sight.
    Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine
    and champions at mixing drinks,
    who acquit the guilty for a bribe,
    but deny justice to the innocent.” — Isaiah 5:20-23

  • TheBottomline4This

    Most Liberals are so into death. Abortions, assisted suicides, death of certain things in culture, They are blinded to what they really are supporting.

    Yet, they cry for gun control to “save lives”.
    Hypocrites much?

    • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

      Oh and guns don’t kill people…..

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    “No,” said the judge, “the more perfect union says that you must be friends with MY friends.”

  • TheBottomline4This

    Another thought that comes to mind…Does anyone else see the irony of this pic of a woman holding a coat hanger and it saying “keep abortion safe and legal”?
    They are concerned about the woman’s safety, but not the baby’s.
    Watch the pro-choicers heads spin and accusations start on this one…..Maybe if abortions were illegal, enough women would die from the coat hanger method and thus eventually women would see it wasn’t worth the risk of their own life and if they still didn’t want the baby after he/she was born, they could give the baby up for adoption. No big deal if a few selfish, ignorant women die if it’s made illegal. Better than all of the selfish, ignorant women who have lived while millions of sons and daughters that have been slaughtered at the choice of their Mom.

    • Jalapeno

      Pro-life people, ladies and gentlemen.

      • TheBottomline4This

        What’s wrong pro-choice Jally???
        Does it seem heartless?
        Does it seem uncaring toward the selfish, ignorant women who want to have their son or daughter torn to shreds?
        Do share your caring thoughts on what bothers you about this???
        I’ll wait…

        • Jalapeno

          Yes, it’s heartless to be okay with women suffering.

          Wow, that was hard.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Fail.
            If a woman is willing to kill a life, she deserves to suffer. If she’s not willing to kill a life, then she doesn’t deserve to suffer.
            What is hard is your heart.

          • Jalapeno

            I’m not cruel enough to EVER say that someone deserves to suffer, that someone deserves to die because they did something that I don’t like.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Yes you are in supporting the right to Abortions.

          • Jalapeno

            Not at all.

            Not only would I never say that a fetus deserves to die, I would never say that I’m okay with them suffering. I’m just not okay with a person losing their rights.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are blind. You basically are saying rights are more important than life. Your Hillary Clinton even called a baby a person. So why would you not care about the rights of the unborn?
            Let’s switch it up some…what if I take my dog and pay someone to kill the puppies it’s carrying. Would you have a problem with that?

          • Jalapeno

            Sure sure, I’m an awful person that doesn’t share your values. Whatever, no big deal. Just don’t be under the impression that what you’re saying isn’t absolutely disgustingly immoral in many peoples eyes.

            “Would you have a problem with that?”

            Yes.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Ah, the puppy thing got ya.
            See you have more concern for the unborn puppies than unborn babies. Both are valuable. The sooner you learn that the better off you’ll be Jally.

          • Jalapeno

            “See you have more concern for the unborn puppies than unborn babies”

            Not at all. Do I need to explain it to you or are you just going to pretend a lame “gotcha” question actually meant something?

            As I said, I just thought you should be aware that some people find your statement very immoral and disgusting. I know, I know, I’m evil and a horrible person that loves the ideas of puppies dying or something so you don’t care..but..you know, it might eventually be relevant to you.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “very immoral and disgusting”
            LOL. This coming from you?!!! A pro-choice person who supports a woman’s right to abort!!! THAT is what is very immoral and very disgusting. Abortion is immoral and disgusting. Can you see that??? I doubt it.

          • Jalapeno

            As I said..I already knew you wouldn’t care because you figure I’m a bad person because I don’t share YOUR views.

            See, I care more about suffering and the balancing of rights than blindly protecting life, no matter what. It’s crazy..but people can be moral without holding your priorities.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Wrong. You are a deceived person. Your heart is hard.

          • Jalapeno

            Not at all.

            People can be caring, moral people without having the same priorities as you. I also think abortion is immoral, but being careful of rights is more important than blindly pushing my morality into law.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “I also think abortion is immoral” Not immoral enough to speak out against eh?
            What level of morality is allowed in your world?

          • Jalapeno

            I don’t try to outlaw things just because I don’t like them.

          • TheBottomline4This

            What is allowed to be outlawed in your world?
            Think of all the laws around, which are ok with you?

          • Jalapeno

            I’m not going to explain the entire concept of the legal system and rights to you.

            The fact is, some people do not think that something should be outlawed because it’s immoral.

            Some people are also moral people who consider suffering equally or more important than blindly protecting life.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are a deceived person Jally.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure, if you say so.

            It’s sure easier to believe that anyone who disagrees with you is just immoral.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are deceived.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure. Whatever makes things easier on your understanding.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are deceived

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            Don’t bother arguing with this person. Not worth it.

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            It is immoral and disgusting in your opinion but not others so can you see that????? I doubt it.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            And so this human being who cannot speak yet has no rights? If a baby in the womb or a baby outside the womb for that matter had the ability to speak would they ask to be killed? Come on!! Abortion is not about rights it’s about denying the rights of those who cannot defend themselves.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure..to some people. Some people don’t care about removing peoples rights or causing suffering, they only want to blindly protect life at any cost.

            Kinda my point.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Are you alive? If so then you yourself protect life. I very much doubt that should someone come into your house with a knife with the intent to kill you that you would not fight for your life even if you were at a low point, sick or feeling rejected. Funny how people will fight for life only when it is their own. This society has become so self centered and forgotten that true love for others is treating their lives as if they were your own.

          • Jalapeno

            There’s a lot of middle ground between being willing to BLINDLY protect life no matter the cost and not caring about protecting life at all.

            Stop thinking in black and white.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The bible has a hard time with MIXTURE or grey areas & because I study it’s pages and have a relationship with it’s Author… I also don’t care much for grey or a mixture of HIS ways and the ways that seem right unto men. You yourself in your most vulnerable point would want protection from those seeking to take your life and yet you deny that basic right to those who cannot speak yet or be heard begging for their lives.

          • Jalapeno

            I think you mean that you don’t want to have to think for yourself. Remember..we’re talking about your ability to understand other peoples views…not your own simplistic, blind views.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I understand pro-abortion views totally, I simply disagree with them.

          • Jalapeno

            Yet..you don’t understand that there’s a middle ground between “blindly protecting all life” and “not caring about protecting life at all”.

            I don’t buy it.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I understand that you would protect your life under every circumstance and yet deny that right to another simply because they are defenseless .

          • Jalapeno

            “yet deny that right to another simply because they are defenseless .”

            Incorrect.

            I thought you understood “pro-abortion” views?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Ok please do enlighten me on how killing a baby is protecting it’s right to live.

          • Jalapeno

            Do you understand that it’s possible to have middle ground between “blindly protecting all life” and “not bothering to protect any”?

            Do you understand that sometimes, we let people die because someone else has rights?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            So you take away one persons rights to give another person rights? Oh yes this makes total sense . COME ON!

          • Jalapeno

            So..no, you don’t understand that either.

            Everyone has the right to protect their own life, even if it involves taking away another persons life don’t they?

            Do we sometimes take away one persons rights to keep another alive?

            Do we ever have to balance one persons rights against another?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Oh I see where you are going. The life of the mother bogus excuse used to kill millions of unborn. Sorry won’t fly because there are studies that prove that other options are much more safe then the time it takes to abort a baby if a mother is at risk. Emergency situations are not even mothers who are promoters of abortion but ones who are carrying their babies to be born and then something goes wrong. These situations are beyond rare and when they do occur it has been proven that there are other options way safer then abortion. Go do a study and you will see that this claim of saving the mother is simply bogus. True mothers who want their babies do everything possible to save their lives in an emergency. Do some babies die in those cases? Yes. Do some mothers die in those cases ? Yes. But do a study and you will find that many more mothers have died after an abortion then by other options available. Self-centered people choose death… An unselfish mother will always choose life and do everything in her power to protect it even at the cost of her own life. Abortion is about destroying life not protection it yet they use bogus claims to justify murder.

          • Jalapeno

            “But do a study and you will find that many more mothers have died after an abortion then by other options available”

            That’s just vastly untrue, abortion is much safer than carrying to term.

            You missed the point though. Do you not understand that sometimes we have to balance two peoples rights? Do you understand that sometimes, people die in order to protect someone else? Do you understand that sometimes we let people die just because someone else doesn’t even want to give up organs after death?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            WHAT? COME ON! So you have the right to murder someone to take their parts? Are you serious or am I misunderstanding your last sentence?

          • Jalapeno

            Try again.

            People die all the time because they can’t get the organs they need.

            Other people die, but they choose not to give up those organs. We let people die because we need to protect someone elses right to keep their body even after they die.

            Do you understand that sometimes we have to balance rights against each other?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            That seriously makes no sense and has nothing to do with killing an innocent baby in the womb and then disposing of the body.

          • Jalapeno

            It makes perfect sense..you just need to think for a second.

            Do you understand that sometimes we have to balance peoples rights against other rights?

            Do you understand that people die because they don’t have access to the organs they need?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Are you saying person dying that needs an organ has the right to ask that someone be kill who has the organ he needs?

            If you take one persons rights to balance out another persons rights then the one you took the rights away from now has no rights.

          • Jalapeno

            “Are you saying person dying that needs an organ has the right to ask that someone be kill who has the organ he needs?”

            Completely the opposite. What YOU’RE saying is closer to that.

            I’m saying that the right to life does not override another persons right to control what happens to their own body.

            “If you take one persons rights to balance out another persons rights then the one you took the rights away from now has no rights.”

            No ones having their rights TAKEN.

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            Right on!

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            Enough already. There is nothing wrong with abortions.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of women who are coming out about how the killing of their child has for ever effected them emotionally and many physically . Many women are talking now about how abortion did not just destroy the baby they carried but it destroyed them. Studies also have been done on the psychological effects on women who abort and they have proven that YES there is something VERY wrong with abortion. So enough already with the head in the sand.

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            Sorry do not buy it. And what studies? None that I have ever been in. Nothing wrong with abortions period.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            It’s not other peoples job to educate you. The information is out there. The documented studies are out there to read. You don’t even have to get in your car and drive to a library anymore. Just type it in the search bar and make an attempt to educate yourself on the subject. Very much wrong with the killing of innocent life… PERIOD.

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            Sorry I have not found these studies. There is nothing wrong with abortion period. No innocent lives are killed. You are very mistaken.

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            And there are thousands of women who have had abortions and are doing just fine thank you. You have no idea what you are talking about.

          • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

            You do not know what you are talking about.

    • Mellow Fellow

      So no exceptions at all?

      • Mellow Fellow

        I’ll take that as a “No” then.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        Abortion doctors who are coming out will tell you that these so called exceptions are silly and that it takes much longer to abort a child to save a mother then it does to try to save both mother and child. Go study up on these exceptions and the options offered & you will find that killing the child to save the mother is actually the worst of all options for both mother and child.

        • Mellow Fellow

          Are you against medical exceptions? Should they be treated as criminals?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            It’s a pro-choice made up scenario. It takes much longer to do an abortion then to try to save both the mother and the child. There are far safer options then abortion but abortion propaganda will never admit it. Go study up on it. If I could put links on here I would but I can’t or it will get flagged. Go look at the medical evidence and the abortion doctors that are no longer preforming abortions that are telling the public about all the risks to women who have abortions and who are admitting that the safest thing to do when a mother and child are in danger is not abortion but other options and/or surgery.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Legal abortions saved my life, the life of my mother, and the life of a friend with a brain tumor. The idea that there are no medical exceptions is an evil stance.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Your mother had a dead baby removed to save a live babies life. I REPEAT >>>> THAT IS NOT ABORTION!!! Abortion is killing a baby who is LIVING in the womb.

    • Andrea Markowitz Sleeper

      People like you make me sick.

  • Mellow Fellow

    That is wonderful news. My twin died in the womb right next to me, people who want to outlaw abortion would prefer my mother and myself die rather than have an abortion. They are the face of evil wrapped in the shroud of righteousness.

    • TheBottomline4This

      I doubt your story.

      • Mellow Fellow

        How very christian of you. Give me your phone number and I’ll have my mother call you and she can give you all the details. But be forewarned she will talk your ear off and the conversation will take at least three hours of your time.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Oh stop with you and those like you thinking you know what is acceptable Christian behavior to you. You see Christians as gullible, weak, scared little people who are not to speak up or call out folly. The joke will be on you, especially when God has His final say.

          • Mellow Fellow

            “Oh stop with you and those like you thinking you know what is acceptable Christian behavior to you. ”

            Um, yeah. You just described every single person on the planet. You will NEVER find two people who agree on every moral principle presented in the bible, torah or koran. That is the nature of the abrahamic religions.

            “You see Christians as gullible, weak, scared little people….”

            Ooooo, a clairvoyant. I’m pretty sure your brand of wizardry is frown upon in the bible. What other tricks can you do?

          • TheBottomline4This

            You only humor yourself.

          • Mellow Fellow

            It’s better than veiled threats.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Aw, poor baby. You see truth and not agreeing with you as a veiled threat. Maybe you’re used to be threatened, but I’m not threatening you. I will say to you the truth on here, but doing that is not a threat.

          • Mellow Fellow

            “The joke will be on you, especially when God has His final say.”

            Unless the “joke” is something enjoyable, it’s a veiled threat.

          • TheBottomline4This

            LOL. What a sissy you are. No veiled threat weak one. Only in your own sick mind. Take your meds.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Are you using the word “sissy” as an insult?

          • TheBottomline4This

            It seems you are probably the type of person who is insulted by most words.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Calling me a sissy doesn’t bother me in the slightest, I just wanted affirmation that you’re attempting to insult another person with a derogatory term.

          • TheBottomline4This

            So possible insults are worse to you than the topic of this story…that being the slaughter of millions by Abortion.
            You are concerned about a possible insult, but not those who are being torn to shreds and dying in baby killing centers
            Gotcha delicate one.

          • Mellow Fellow

            The topic of this story is great news and is a reflection of the law. I didn’t read anything about a place that kills babies, that would be headline news. Speaking from personal experience, abortions are a necessary medical procedure that can save lives.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Do aborted souls go to heaven? I want to know where my sibling ended up.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I doubt your story.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Doubt, insults and lies can’t stop the truth.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Planned Parenthood and Abortion Clinics kill babies as you already know. Your last sentence, the % is very low and still not a reason.

    • ComeOnPeople!

      Taking a baby out of the womb which has died is not the same as killing a live baby in the womb and then removing it.

      • Mellow Fellow

        It’s totally not the same as killing a baby, which is why I am aghast with those who advocate the banning of abortion in all cases.

        • ComeOnPeople!

          Please reread my statement… Removing a still born baby is not abortion. You said your twin had died in the womb and this is why you advocate for abortion. My response to that was

          ComeOnPeople! Mellow Fellow • 2 days ago Taking a baby out of the womb which has died is not the same as killing a live baby in the womb and then removing it.

          There is a big difference in removing a baby which has died and aborting a living baby . Abortion is the killing of a child… not the removal of a child that has already passed due to unknown problems or maybe known. To promote abortion because your twin died and then was removed makes no sense because your mother did not abort your twin… she simply had the baby which had already died removed so that her LIVING baby would not die. Your twin was NOT aborted to save you or your mother. Had your twin not died it would be here today because obviously your mother did not agree with abortion. You are prove of that.

          • Mellow Fellow

            You speak of which you clearly do not understand, with such a frustrating existence I can see why you are so angry all the time.

            Had she known of the defect, the abortion occurred much earlier in her pregnancy while the fetus was still alive. My mother is pro-choice.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You said your twin died right next to you. Do you even remember your own story? I repeat removing a twin that has passed is not abortion. I have a niece who had one twin not grow properly and then pass … they waited as long as they could and then they went in and took both babies out . The still born and the live twin. The live twin weighed under a pound but is now 4 years old and healthy. My niece did not abort her dead twin and neither did your mother. They simply removed the dead twin or waited as long as possible and then had both the live and the dead twin delivered. This is called pro-life not abortion otherwise you would not be here today and neither would my grand Niece.

            By the way… on the contrary … I am seldom angry & my existence is far from frustrating . I have two beautiful grown children, which by the way I almost lost. The first weighed in at 2.4 oz. and I almost died giving birth to the second one at 4.8 oz. I wish I could of have had many many more but I was smart enough not to risk loosing either the baby or dying myself. The biggest frustration I have is when people talk about killing the weakest among us… the sick, the elderly and innocent babies. Those people are miserable, not myself… because those who do not value life most the time don’t even value their own life.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Sounds like your niece is a horrible and selfish person. Rather than getting a abortion early on, she allowed the child with the fatal defect to steal all of the nutrients and leave the other child malnourished. That 100% could have been prevented.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            No my Niece did what her doctors told her to do, with the least amount of risk to the living baby and herself. Your problem is you are so deceived by the propaganda that you won’t even look at other options other than the murder of a baby in the womb. Life should always be the goal not death. A mother & her doctors should always do everything possible to save life. Read up on medical studies and you will find that abortion is actually the worst choice when things go wrong with a pregnancy. The best choice is surgeries that try to save both the mother and the child.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Sounds like your niece had TTTS for a long time and did nothing to stop it. If the baby weighed only a pound at birth, it likely has many handicaps and birth defects, some of which won’t even reveal themselves until it reaches puberty. Your niece should have put more value into the child who was viable, saving the child a lifetime of medical issues.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The baby that died was only inside her for two weeks which is in a normal time frame . Most women who have a baby who dies after the 22nd trimester have options, one of which is to let the body deliver the baby naturally which will happen within two weeks, be induced so as to deliver or have the child removed. In her case because she had two babies they waited because the live child needed more time to develop it’s lungs & it would not cause any danger to her or the live child to wait. The dead baby if it was not a twin would have come out naturally within two weeks with little to no harm to mom so waiting the two weeks before doing surgery to take both babies out caused no damage and allowed the live baby to develop a little longer. As to damage down the
            road. I had two premies and no damage has ever been manifested. They are now 34 and 30 and both have children of their own.

            Again what your mother did was not abortion… She had a surgery done to remove a baby which had died to save the other baby which was alive. Same thing that my niece had done. This is not abortion , this is offering life to a living twin when the other twin has died in the womb.

          • Mellow Fellow

            I’m not going to bother to parse that word salad. But you have admitted she let the child with the fatal defect steal all of the nutrients, for one child be be so small at the 22nd trimester (?LOL?) means she didn’t treat the TTTS when she should have. I doubt it was nefarious, more likely due to poor education and lack of adequate testing.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Again shows your understanding of what takes place in the womb when one twin dies. Twins by the way are most always smaller then just one baby in the womb. You are the one uneducated and trying to play Baby Doctor. Sorry but you were not her doctor and have no clue what went on. Neither do I for that matter. I merely was giving you an example from something I know took place in our family .
            You are clearly just upset because I called you out on your posts. You claim your mother aborted your twin and yet you said your twin had died in the womb. So no sorry done playing your game. Have a nice day and do please remember that a Baby Doctor has much more to say on the subject then you and all your abortion death squad put together. You need to thank GOD there was one of those knowledgeable Baby Doctor’s around to advise your mother on what to do and then preform the surgery so that you could have life.

    • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

      1) If your “twin” was dead then it wasn’t an abortion.
      2) If it was an abortion, you would be dead.

      • Mellow Fellow

        1. Spontaneous abortion of dead tissue is more common than actual live births.
        2. Doctors can remove one twin without harming the other, just as they can remove your appendix without taking your liver.

        • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

          You’re blowing smoke. The crime of abortion has nothing to do with spontaneous abortion or the removal of a dead infant. It is the deliberate shedding of innocent blood. Nor does it have to do in the rare case a NECESSARY choice must be made between saving the mother’s life and the child’s. But that is not what you are advocating for, is it?
          And the reason the great majority of abortions are made is what?

          • Mellow Fellow

            You really should check my post history prior to bearing false witness before god. I’m railing against those who want to ban abortion outright with no exceptions, even if it means the mother dies.

          • Mellow Fellow

            I literally would be dead if evil people like Bottom had their way.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            You can not know that.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Yes I can, in fact we both wish she would have had the abortion much sooner.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Who are those people? Those restrictions did not even exist before Rowe vs Wade. Tell us, what percentage of abortions are actually done to save the mother’s life? And what percentage of abortions are done to kill the child?

          • Mellow Fellow

            Many pro-life groups such as lifenews plainly state they do not believe in providing medical exemptions to save the life of the mother, they are evil.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Provide a reference, not an assertion. You are not on my highly regarded as truthful list.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Tell us, what percentage of abortions are actually done to save the
            mother’s life? And what percentage of abortions are done to kill the
            child?
            Answer the question.

          • Mellow Fellow

            1. All of them are done for the betterment of the mother’s life.
            2. Zero, as no children are involved.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            I thank God it is only the wicked that kill their own children. And I think God that those aborted murdered children do not have to suffer the fate of having such people for mothers.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Is my sibling in heaven or hell? Or no soul at all?

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            I thought your sibling was not a human being, not a person.
            If you are willing to confess your sibling was a human being, we can proceed to your question.

          • Mellow Fellow

            It wasn’t a human being, which is why I’m asking if it had a soul or not.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Again, your question presupposes your sibling was a human being.

            Assuming your story is true, yes, he has a soul. He was a distinct and unique human being, as human or more human than you. And God in Hos providence spared him from a godless family.

            Though since you are a proven liar, I suspect your “sibling” is another lie, just as your years in seminary. Liar! Fraud!

          • Mellow Fellow

            LOL, you’ve lied in just about every post and being disingenuous right now. You are well aware I know the correct spelling and that the slight was done on purpose.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            So, you confess that “Yahoo” was a deliberate insult aimed at God (as I suspected). God will not be mocked, I’ll let Him avenge Himself..

          • Mellow Fellow

            Yeah, god has a real hard non-gender-specific phallus for people who mock. Like when he had those bears kill children for calling a guy “baldy”. Personally, I could never worship an all-powerful deity who is so incredibly vain and shallow that he tortures and kills over trivialities. The god described in the bible is objectively harmful to the human race.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Where did that soul go?

          • Mellow Fellow

            “God in Hos”

            According to your logic, that is proof you are a hater of god.

          • Mellow Fellow

            You call yourself a pastor while lies and unfounded accusations fly from your lips like specks of hot spit. My many years of living and training in a seminary have taught me to expect more from those who present themselves as christian leaders, as such I expect a full apology from you as a self proclaimed man of god.

            Repent and be saved.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Those that support abortion are not Christians and will get no apology.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Since Planned Parenthood does not kill infants, you must be lying again.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Abortion and Planned Parenthood deliberately murders living human beings for money. And you are complicit in their crimes by endorsing their actions.

          • Mellow Fellow

            /s Being a pastor is a crime. Pastors rape little boys and don’t have to face jail time. And you are complicit in their crimes by endorsing their actions.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Ya, and Hitler did not murder human beings, only Jews, Gypsies and Slavs.
            Being a murderer is a crime. Even the ancient pagan Greeks forbade physicians to perform abortions. Your sin and rebellion against God has darkened your mind and heart.

          • Mellow Fellow

            If the bible is true, then Hitler has nothing on Yahah when it comes to mass murder and genocide.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            Well, I see you are showing your true colors as an atheist and hater of God. But to answer your question,
            1) Murder is a crime because it is the destruction of the image of God.
            2) Murder is the unlawful taking of life.
            3) God is the Creator and owner of all things.
            4) God has the right to do as He pleases with His possessions and His enemies.
            5) His name is YHWH, Yahweh, a derivative of the verb “to be” as “I am that I am”.
            6) I thought you said “My many years of living and training in a seminary”, yet you do not know the Old Testament proper name of God. You have just exposed yourself as a liar and a fraud!

          • Mellow Fellow

            1. That is a reason why it’s wrong to kill? So if you stopped believing in god, you might go on a murder spree?
            2. Yahoo unlawfully took many lives in the bible.
            3. Baseless assertion.
            4. Even if it were true that god made me, as a sentient being he has no right to claim me as property. With that logic parents have every right to torture their children because the kids are property.
            5. He is one of the dozens of gods found in the bible, which hold the same validity.
            6. Enlightenment arrived years after leaving the seminary where I lived. I would have stayed longer, but paying off the victims of child rape is expensive which caused it to shut down. But please, continue with more of your lies and sin.

          • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

            1) Thou shalt not murder. The atheist as no basis for morals or truth (as you demonstrate)
            2) Yahoo is a corporation.
            God never “unlawfully” does anything. What law is He under? Your opinion? He is the everlasting Judge and the giver of Law. He is just in all His actions.
            3) Fool. “The fool has said in his heart, ‘there is not God'”.
            4) a) You said your are sentient?
            b) What does being “sentient” have to do with it?
            c) Who said God was your Father? I said Creator. If He were your Father you would love and obey Him. As it is, you are a child of Satan.
            5) You are ignorant of the Bible and of God.
            6) As I said, If you spent years in “studying” in a seminary, you you would know the proper name of God. Your own mouth betrays you.
            7) You are an atheist and you believe in sin? Interesting. Atheists actually do believe in God, they just hate Him and seek to suppress their knowledge of Him and silence their consciences.

          • Mellow Fellow

            “He is just in all His actions.”

            This is one of the reasons religion is harmful to progress, it makes you think evil is just. If you look at the bible objectively, god is the villain of the book.

            If you witnessed the Ark of the Covenant about to crash onto unsanctified ground, what would you do? Is that tumble a crime worthy of death?

    • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

      Do you really believe that your life is more important than the 60,000,000 who perished?

      • Mellow Fellow

        More unfounded lies and accusations from a so-called pastor.

        • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

          Answer the question.
          Is your life more important than the 60,000,000 children murdered in America by abortion.

          • Mellow Fellow

            Absolutely, I’m 100% better and far more important than something that is NOT happening. No child has ever been murdered by abortion.

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    Tyranny.