North Carolina Court Dismisses Lawsuit of Judges Who Resigned Rather Than Officiate Same-Sex ‘Weddings’

gavel-credit-george-hodanRALEIGH, N.C. — An appeals court in North Carolina has upheld the dismissal of a lawsuit filed by two Christian judges who resigned their posts two years ago after being informed via state memos that they would be required to officiate same-sex “weddings” or face possible punishment.

The North Carolina Court of Appeals did not rule on the merits of the requirement, but only agreed with the lower court that the two judges did not have standing in the case because the Administrative Office of the Courts (AOC), which issued the memo, did not have power to fire them.

“Because defendants lacked the actual authority to sanction, suspend, or remove plaintiffs, the allegations in plaintiffs’ complaint, when viewed as true and considered in the light most favorable to plaintiffs, fail to demonstrate an injury that defendants were capable of inflicting upon plaintiffs, and by extension fails to show that such an injury could be redressed,” Judge Ann Marie Calabria wrote for the three-judge panel.

The situation began in 2014 when U.S. District Judge Max Cogburn struck down the state’s constitutional amendment recognizing marriage as being only between a man and a woman. The AOC soon issued a memo advising that “[m]agistrates should begin immediately conducting marriages of all couples presenting a marriage license issued by the Register of Deeds.”

“A failure to do so would be a violation of the U.S. Constitution under the federal ruling, and would constitute a violation of the oath and a failure to perform a duty of the office,” wrote AOC Director John Smith. “For these reasons, all magistrates must treat same-sex marriages for which a marriage license has been issued by the Register of Deeds the same way that marriages between a man and a woman are scheduled and conducted.”

He said that “refusal is grounds for suspension or removal from office, as well as potential criminal charges.”

Judge Thomas Holland of Graham County, and Gilbert Breedlove of Swain County, both who identify as Baptists, sought accommodations for their religious beliefs, but were denied. Therefore, instead of violate the biblical command not to be a partaker in other men’s sins (1 Timothy 5:22), they resigned.

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Holland and Breedlove also filed suit in an effort to obtain protection and regain their jobs. They noted that that the North Carolina Constitution declares that “all persons have a natural and inalienable right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences.”

“No person shall be denied the equal protection of the laws; nor shall any person be subjected to discrimination by the State because of race, color, religion, or national origin,” it states.

Last September, Wake County Superior Court Judge George Collins, Jr. granted the AOC’s motion to dismiss the case, “because the defendants have no power to nominate, appoint, remove, or otherwise control magistrates, nor do the defendants have the power to institute criminal prosecutions against magistrates for failure to perform their duties.”

On Sept. 20, the North Carolina Court of Appeals agreed.

“If defendants could not remove plaintiffs, then defendants could not have harmed plaintiffs by such a removal, and therefore plaintiffs lacked standing to bring an action for this purported harm,” Calabria wrote. “We therefore hold that the trial court did not err in granting defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of standing.”

Judges John Tyson and Douglas McCullough concurred.

As previously reported, last year, lawmakers in North Carolina passed a bill allowing magistrates to opt out of officiating same-sex ceremonies under the condition that they discontinue offering marriage services of any kind.

“Every magistrate has the right to recuse from performing all lawful marriages … based upon any sincerely held religious objection,” it read in part. “Such recusal shall be upon notice to the chief district court judge and is in effect for at least six months from the time delivered to the chief district court judge.”

The law had been challenged in court by two homosexuals and their partners, as well as an interracial couple, but Coburn—who struck down the state’s marriage law in the first place—ruled on Sept. 20 (the same date as the Holland and Breedlove ruling) that the complainants lacked standing. He only ruled against the specific plaintiffs while opining that “there exists the potential that a citizen could suffer real or emotional harm” from the law.


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  • TheBottomline4This

    Aw the bully gay agenda at work again.

    • uninvitedguest

      Awwww, looks like the judicial system ruled against the bully christian agenda again

      • TheBottomline4This

        Homosexuality is a sin.
        Gay “marriages” are not real marriages.

        • uninvitedguest

          Opinions vary.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Truth doesn’t.

          • uninvitedguest

            Youre right but your bible doesnt hold any truth for many of us….just ancient stories

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are correct about the many and the Bible backs that up…
            Matthew 7:13&14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

          • uninvitedguest

            Pure gibberish

          • TheBottomline4This

            Truth.

          • uninvitedguest

            Your truth …..not mine.

          • TheBottomline4This

            On this topic, your truth is a lie.

          • uninvitedguest

            Nope. Just your personal opinion

          • TheBottomline4This

            Your view is your personal opinion.

          • uninvitedguest

            Yup

  • Liberal Elitist

    Thankfully, reasoned jurisprudence prevails.

    • TheBottomline4This

      Perversion prevails.

      • uninvitedguest

        Thanks for the opinion

        • TheBottomline4This

          Truth.

          • uninvitedguest

            Your truth…..not reality

          • TheBottomline4This

            Thanks for your opinion, which is not reality.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA is being self-destructive by applying racial equality upon abnormal sexual immorality. What an abuse of equality. Whoever thought of the de-christianized West pushing sexual depravity just right after abolishing racism? There is no break for the world. People have rights to God’s truth and a clear Christian conscience and morality.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Childless sinful culture should not decide things about education or justice.

      Neither should any Christian. Good thing we have separation of church and state. Maybe you and your ilk doesn’t like it, too bad.

      • TheBottomline4This

        (the “separation” phrase so frequently invoked today was rarely mentioned by any of the Founders; and even Jefferson’s explanation of his phrase is diametrically opposed to the manner in which courts apply it today. “Separation of church and state” currently means almost exactly the opposite of what it originally meant.)
        wallbuilders dot com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=123

        (The secular Left is proving this point with gusto in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision to nationalize gay marriage, calling for the removal of tax exemptions for churches and religious non-profits who continue to hold the tired old definition of marriage that existed all the way up until yesterday. This step, which would crush the budgets of many churches and non-profits, reveals an amusing hypocrisy of the modern Left’s turn against civil liberty: they no longer believe in the separation of church and state.)
        (The push for gay marriage always included a significant portion of people who simply wanted fairness, as they saw it. But this fairness is not enough for the secular Left, which has become more honest about their ultimate goal: the eradication of religion’s place at the center of American public life.)
        thefederalist dot com/2015/07/07/the-left-wants-to-end-the-separation-of-church-and-state/

        Thankfully you and your ilk who think like you, don’t define it, even though you do try hard, lol.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Only Christians can conduct justice, being fair to all. The West has no morality apart from Christianity, and therefore the Christless Sodomic West only promotes deadly immorality. Born of the same humanism, the effects will be far worse than crazy racism or nationalism of the last century.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Do you live in the U.S. Grace?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, I don’t. I wish I could. I just love USA very much, more than my mother countries, because I heard and read about American heroes (missionaries, soldiers, Founding Fathers, Abraham Lincoln, etc) since my childhood.

          • Rick Derris

            Where do you live?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            In an Asian nation. Why do you ask? Where do you live?

          • Rick Derris

            The states.

            Which Asian nation?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I’m in and out. You need to repent of your sins and believe in Jesus Christ for remission of your sins. Read John chapter 3.

          • Rick Derris

            No thanks. Been there, done that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, you have never.

          • Rick Derris

            I didn’t know you knew about my personal history.

            What’s my real name? What church did I attend in my youth?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You talk like a person who never understood anything while attending church( if you did, ever) and never read the Holy Bible. Skimming through is not counted as reading. You need humility before God to know the things of God.

          • Rick Derris

            You didn’t answer my questions.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I don’t know you, but you are a typical of lying non-believers who have no idea on Christianity and bully Christians. One thing is for sure; you need repentance to get saved.

          • Rick Derris

            If you can’t stand even a discussion about your faith without interpreting it as bullying, then you are too weak to defend your faith.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You demand me to answer to your personal questions. You are being hostile. Face it.

          • Rick Derris

            Right after you attacked me personally and called me a liar without any evidence.

            If you know so much about my life, you can present some proof by at least saying my real name.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s a solid fact you never met Lord Jesus. You shouldn’t ask people personal questions when your name is a fake and not real. The other way around, Rick.

          • Rick Derris

            You never met Lord Jesus, either.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I did. I NEVER say no thanks to Christianity like you do.

          • Rick Derris

            When did you meet Jesus?

            Last I checked, even in the Bible, He hasn’t been on Earth in about 2,000 years.

            You have pics?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            He is alive today in every believer’s heart. Read the Gospels in the New Testament Bible. God will talk to you if you are humble and sincere and ask Him to help you.

          • Rick Derris

            You’re talking about an emotional response, not actually meeting anyone.

            You have not met Jesus, either.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I have. That’s why I pray for you. You need to read the Holy Bible or go to church and hear the Word of God from God’s servants to know Jesus.

          • Rick Derris

            I don’t want racists to pray for me.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Racists are average Earthlings. I pray for you as a Christian. Christians are the only people who love everyone unconditionally for all time everywhere. You’ve been spoiled and that’s why you imagine up falsehood about the outside of USA. Planet Earth is a harsh world, son.

          • Rick Derris

            I guess you’re an average Earthling.

            “Christians are the only people who love everyone unconditionally for all time everywhere.”

            Yet you’ve spouted nothing but hateful rhetoric for those in interracial relationships and gay people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is wrong for the Western culture to force people to endorse sins and immorality. I’m not for or against interracial marriage. You are racist, too, because you connect interracial marriage with gay “marriage.” No pretence. I try to love everyone the same. Christians racists can love all mankind, but secular racists only corrupt mankind.

          • Rick Derris

            The only thing that connects interracial marriage with gay marriage is that the religious right has been against both.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            That seems like a real name to me, Rick Derris. So, you know it’s not real? How do you know that?

          • Rick Derris

            Have you ever seen Clerks? 😀

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Wow, you are quick to judge.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Says the one who just judged, lol.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            How did I judge? Asking Grace how she knows that Rick’s name isn’t real? Telling her that like the Childless sinfull culture, Christians too shouldn’t decide things about education and justice? So please tell how did I judge?

            I have no reason to tell Christians how to live their lives, but Christians are so ready to tell other people how they should live their lives. Grace calls Rick a liar without knowing him.

          • TheBottomline4This

            The latest thing when you said “Wow, you are quick to judge.” That is judging.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No, it’s an observation.

    • Rick Derris

      Not too long ago, the same people that are screaming about gay people are the same ones that wouldn’t let you attend their “Christian” schools.

      White supremacy and being anti-gay are interwoven. If you support one, you support the other.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You are wrong. It is today’s secular Western immoral culture that has gone insane by putting the colored people with sexually immoral people in the same category. It seems secular West thinks colored people are as disgusting as sexually abnormal and sinful people and decry minorities’ rights on the same table. I wonder if they hate Christians for bringing racial equality upon the earth last century. Being colored is God’s creation and needs no repentance for having darker skin. Being LGBT definitely needs repentance. (Leviticus ch.18-20, Romans ch.1)

        • Rick Derris

          Colored people? Is this the 1950s?

          What part of what I said in the post above is wrong? In the 1950s, an Asian man was discriminated against in Bob Jones University because he was going to marry a white woman.

          The conservative Christian church has fought racial equality every step of the way. Just look at Bob Jones’ sermon on segregation. Google it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Prefering marriage within the same race is nothing wrong. Most of my Asian countrymen still prefer marriage within the same nationality. It’s not racism, but natural preference for stability for small tribes surrounded by powerful empires.

          • Rick Derris

            Not being in America would explain the use of what would be considered outdated and extremely offensive statements on different races in America.

            In America, calling an Asian-American a mongoloid would make them (and most non-Asian-Americans) extremely angry.

            Your statement about interracial marriage is inexcusable, though. There’s nothing biblical about such ideas, and you’ve shown that racism isn’t strictly an American ideal.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            But I’m a Mongoloid; it’s a scientific statement. I don’t get angery if anyone calls me whatever racial names. I just want secular Westerners to stop forcing mankind to treat abnormal sexual immorality as something normal. It’s rich powerful pervs vs. poor normals nowadays instead of anything else. Slavery never ceased. Today, it’s done mentally. No submission to Sodomic West. Every Earthling is racist to some extent; it’s for self-preservation against foreign elements. Only Americans fuss about it and it’s their great good quality. Americans went wrong when they insist Sodomy. USA needs Christianity to be sane and normal.

          • Rick Derris

            This has nothing to do with your acceptance of a racist policy of being against interracial marriage.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Today’s secular Americans think blood should be mixed and immorality should be imposed. That’s tyranny and that’s the problem. Let people be free.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Grace…Rick is just Trolling.
            He’s talking about race on an article that is about gay marriage.
            He’s off topic.
            i wouldn’t waste time with him…unless ya want to 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I see. Thank you. I’ll see.

          • Rick Derris

            “blood should be mixed”

            You don’t get much more racist than that!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Some nations are singled raced unlike yours. Leave people alone. I think you are being racist. What’s wrong with single-raced? The territory barred other people from coming in.

          • Rick Derris

            “Leave people alone”.

            Exactly. Let them love whom they want.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “Let them love whom they want.”
            Be careful in saying that Rick.
            Some “love” will come along that you do disagree with and then where does that leave you?
            If you want this “love” accepted, you won’t be able to judge any “love” that comes along that you do disagree with, since that would make you a hypocrite at that point.
            Be very careful in having that view, it may come back to bite ya.

          • Rick Derris

            Did you read the sermon?

          • TheBottomline4This

            I already told you slow one, that I’m not discussing that topic on this article.
            Nice try at deflecting from what I had just said 🙂

          • Rick Derris

            I’m not discussing anything else with you until you do.

            “Slow one”

            There’s that Christianity! Unprovoked name calling!

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re just a race baiting Troll.

          • Rick Derris

            More insults. How Christian!

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re just a race baiting Troll.

          • Rick Derris

            You said you’re against racism of any kind, yet when conservative Christianity is shown to be racist, you don’t want to look at the evidence.

            That’s passive racism. Accusations of race-baiting are only being made so you can excuse racism in your own church.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re just a race baiting Troll

          • Rick Derris

            You said that already, and it’s proof of your acceptance of racism in Christianity.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re just a race baiting Troll.

          • Rick Derris

            You’re also childish.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re just a race baiting Troll

          • Rick Derris

            You’re just repeating to show acceptance of your racism.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re just a race baiting Troll.

          • Rick Derris

            You’re just repeating to show acceptance of your racism.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Race baiting is a term for groundless accusations of racism made by liberals. It is a unique, deliberate and hypocritical focus on race in an attempt to discredit others as “racist”.
            You coming on a story about gay marriage and bringing up race is you race baiting.

          • Rick Derris

            Oh, so he speaks!

            Race baiting is an accusation that people throw around to silence discussions of race. Just as the conservative Christian church has done in polite company for decades, you’ve shown that any discussion of racism is not to be listened to. That, in and of itself, is passive racism, and it’s what the conservative Christian church preaches on its better days.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s not love but lust. Homosexuality leads to pedophilia. Being colored and being sexually immoral are two different things. Western Sodomites corrupt global children. They think they can do anything and get away just because they are rich and powerful. Being silent in facing Western Sodom’s atrocity is a shame as a human being, not just as a Christian. This is a Christian news site. You should leave Christians alone.

          • Rick Derris

            “It’s not love but lust.”

            Are you going to make any other statements that you can’t verify?

            I was talking about interracial relationships. You won’t even leave them alone.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I thought you were talking about homosexuality because of the news topic here. Different raced people can marry if they want to. It’s not prohibited in the Holy Bible for the Gentile Christians.

          • Rick Derris

            Yet you have a problem with it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, not with inter-racial marriage. I have no trouble those who dislike it, either. There are practical resons for disliking inter-racial marriage for one’s own clan. It’s not racism if they fellowship together.

          • Rick Derris

            Yeah, it is racism, and your excusing it is proof of yours.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, it is not. Secular West’s treatment of putting colored people with sexually immoral people is racism. That’s truly disgusting.

          • Rick Derris

            I don’t know if I feel more hopeful that racism isn’t exclusively an American idea, or more depressed because of it. More of the latter, I think.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Have hope in God. Americans are the least racist people on earth. Americans were the defenders of fairness before.

          • Rick Derris

            That’s amazingly inaccurate.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, true. Mankind didn’t know racism was wrong until good Americans made fuss about it. That was before the era of American pervs, of course, before you were born.

          • Rick Derris

            If you don’t think gay people existed in America before Jim Crow ended, you are completely ignorant of history.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Gay people always existed but never demanded their sinful living to be acknowledged as marriage before. Well-fed Westerners are being bored about life this century and think it’s amusing to bend Christian conscience and make religious people suffer, using some mentally ill people as a beit. They don’t care about the nation’s future or well-being because they are childless. The slave owners of yesteryears or even pagans had better morality than that.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Gay people haven’t always existed. Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth and were not gay. God doesn’t make people gay. It’s a sin choice they make usually when younger for various reasons.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, exactly. I changed my wording. It is abnormal the Western society demands gay “marriage” to be acknowledged by all this century, bending normal people’s conscience. It’s an oppression.

          • TheBottomline4This

            🙂

          • uninvitedguest

            Nobody but nobody cares if you acknowledge their weddings. Christian indoctrination = oppression

          • uninvitedguest

            Sure they have and your adam and eve are fictional of course

          • Rick Derris

            Gay people existed for much longer than thousands of years.

            You’re right. The conservative church in America doesn’t care about the nation’s future or well being.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            “Gay people existed for thousands of years but never demanded their sinful living to be acknowledged as marriage before.”

            Yes, that’s because gay people were often beaten up and killed when they let it be known they were gay.

          • Amos Moses

            so we are free to marry those we love …… but you are calling her and others who only want to marry whom they want racist ….. so much for your “tolerance” …………

          • Bob Johnson

            “Homosexuality leads to pedophilia…”
            Citation please.

          • uninvitedguest

            Too funny. Most pedophiles are heterosexual just like you.

          • Amos Moses

            So just more PC mind and language control ….. from the LEFT ……….

          • TheBottomline4This

            Always. That’s all they know how to do.

      • Amos Moses

        i know of many black churches that did not and do not allow whites …. what is your point ………….

  • Rick Derris

    I have yet to see any “Christian” complaining about gay people getting married in a secular ceremony call on rich people like Donald Trump to do what Jesus said and sell everything they have and give to the poor, so they would have treasure in heaven.

    Conservative Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible. It’s all about enforcing white supremacy.

    • TheBottomline4This

      Wow. What a loon you are. Why bring race into the gay issue?
      All skin colors are beautiful.

      • Rick Derris

        Because the same “Christians” complaining about gay marriage are the same ones that were complaining that they couldn’t discriminate against people based on race.

        So why haven’t you told the wealthy to sell all they have and give to the poor so they will have treasure in heaven?

        • TheBottomline4This

          I’m not in support of racism. I have always hated it. So your point isn’t’ true. Now, can there be some like that, sure, but don’t blanket all Christians like that. It’s simply not true. I know those who don’t have a faith life that discriminate against whatever race they dislike. It can come from anyone.

          • Rick Derris

            I don’t blanket all Christians like that. There’s many Christians that are anti-racist. They’re usually in the black churches, and they never were caught up in the conservative Christian movement because it was made specifically to endorse segregation in Christian schools.

            Bob Jones University led the movement in the 1970s, when religious schools that segregated were in danger of losing their tax-exempt status under Jimmy Carter. When they needed the support of people that would find their opinions on segregation detestable, they started attaching other issues to their wagon, including abortion and anti-LGBT rights. Eventually, they became against women’s rights altogether, saying that a woman’s place is in the home and not the workplace (I don’t know how many churches are teaching this, but mine sure did).

            White supremacy is an ideology that goes beyond just being white. Just like with the Nazis, white supremacy also means being anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-Semetic, and anti-people of color.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You have some odd views or maybe it’s some odd experiences.

          • Rick Derris

            It’s a matter of research into history.

            Have you ever read Bob Jones’ sermon on segregation? It’s on the internet for everyone to see now.

            Go read it. Then comment.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Have a nice day Rick.

          • Rick Derris

            Are you going to even bother to read the sermon?

            You can find it here:

            http://www.drslewis.Org/camille/2013/03/15/is-segregation-scriptural-by-bob-jones-sr-1960/

          • TheBottomline4This

            Are you gay?

          • Rick Derris

            Did you read the sermon?

          • TheBottomline4This

            So you’re a gay guy coming on here bringing up race issues. I see.

          • Rick Derris

            Nope. I’m straight.

            I’m guessing you didn’t read the sermon, because you keep trying to steer the topic off of conservative Christianity’s origins in white supremacy.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I’m not going to address this issue on an article that is about gay marriages. Maybe in the next article about race issues we can chat. Otherwise you are just being a Troll.

          • Rick Derris

            Thanks for admitting that you’re happy being in your own ignorance instead of caring about the truth.

          • TheBottomline4This

            No fool.
            You’re trying to bring up race in an article about gay marriage.
            You’re just trolling.

          • Rick Derris

            I’ve shown how the two are connected.

            You’re just making excuses to not learn facts that would be contrary toward your worldview.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Wrong fool
            You’re just making excuses to keep the topic going while being off topic the whole time. Your worldview is messed up dude.

          • Rick Derris

            Whatever excuse you have to use to justify racism.

          • Amos Moses

            white supremacy comes from the left … not the right ………

        • Amos Moses

          Who was that prominent a-theist that ended slavery ………….. go ahead … i will wait for the answer ……….

          • james blue

            What religion did the American slave owners follow?

          • Amos Moses

            Which ones ……. there were many different christians represented …….. if they thought it was okay to own slaves ….. they will answer for that ….. it is not part of scripture …… but the point is …… there were no a-theists who ended slavery in this country ……… CHRISTIANS DID ………….. but if you can prove it otherwise … again … go ahead … we will wait ….. even though the question was not directed at you ……….

          • james blue

            How do you know? You think only theists fought the civil war? You think only theists were against slavery?

            If you are going to give Christians credit for ending slavery, you can’t dismiss the fact that it was predominantly Christians who owned them.

          • Amos Moses

            Again …. name the a-theist that did it ……… we will wait ……….. FYI, many BLACKS owned slaves ….. in fact many slave owners were black and the first recorded slave owner in this country was black ……. as were MANY NON-christians …… it was an equal opportunity proposition …………..

            The first official legal slaveholder in the American colonies was Anthony Johnson, a black man. In 1654 Johnson took his black indentured servant, John Casor, to court, alleging he had actually purchased Casor as a slave who was meant to serve Johnson for life. The court ruled in Johnson’s favor, and as Kinchlow noted, this appeared to be the first legal sanction of slavery, except as punishment for a crime, in the English New World colonies.
            In fact, black ownership of slaves was not uncommon in the early part of U.S. history. According to the 1830 U.S. Census, of the 10,689 free blacks living in New Orleans, more than 3,000 were slave masters.

            and it does not answer the question ….. who was that prominent a-theist who freed the slaves …..

          • james blue

            Trying to change the subject from Christians owning slaves to blacks

          • Amos Moses

            nope ……….. waiting for the answer YOU do not have ……………… ACTUALLY …..

            1315: Louis X, king of France, publishes a decree proclaiming that “France signifies freedom” and that any slave setting foot on the French ground should be freed. However some cases of slavery continued till the 17th century in some France’s Mediterranean harbours, in the Provence. (Louis X was Catholic)

            1794: France abolishes slavery in all its possessions. (However, slavery is restored by Napoleon in 1802.) (who was ALSO Catholic)

            Emerson was staunchly anti-slavery, but he did not appreciate being in the public limelight and was hesitant about lecturing on the subject. He did, however, give a number of lectures during the pre-Civil War years, beginning as early as November, 1837.[114] A number of his friends and family members were more active abolitionists than he, at first, but from 1844 on, he took a more active role in opposing slavery. He gave a number of speeches and lectures, and notably welcomed John Brown to his home during Brown’s visits to Concord.

            – so sissified support but not really a factor and of course he let John Brown do most of the heavy lifting ……………. WHO WAS A CALVINIST CHRISTIAN ………..

            At the age of 25, Garrison joined the anti-slavery movement, later crediting the 1826 book of Presbyterian Reverend John Rankin,

            – so led to it BY A CHRISTIAN ………..

            Robert Ingersoll
            His radical views on religion, slavery, woman’s suffrage, and other issues of the day effectively prevented him from ever pursuing or holding political offices higher than that of state attorney general.

            – so opposed but not very effective ……

            again …… it was ended by CHRISTIANS ………………

          • james blue

            sigh

      • Miss Deplorable Chrissy Vee

        Indoctrination. They all speak the same language.

        • TheBottomline4This

          ikr?
          He’s just Trolling.

          • Miss Deplorable Chrissy Vee

            Yes, I try to refrain from feeding them. If they refuse the food of the Bible, let them feed on their own ignorance.

        • uninvitedguest

          You must mean christians

    • Amos Moses

      There was no command to sell all you own ….. you are taking scripture out of context ……

  • Amos Moses

    More “tolerance” from the left ……….

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