Texas School District Paints Over Ten Commandments Following Complaint From Atheist Activist Group

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O’DONNELL, Texas — The superintendent of a school district in Texas has announced that a mural of the Ten Commandments at an area high school has been painted over following a complaint and legal threat from a professing atheist organization.

“After consultation with legal counsel, community members and students, I have decided as the Superintendent of O’Donnell ISD that the Ten Commandment mural will no longer be on display beginning Sept. 16, 2016,” Dr. Cathy Amonett announced in a statement just recently released to reporters.

As previously reported, the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) had sent a letter to Amonett earlier this month demanding that the district remove the painting, as well as a Scripture that had also been displayed on the wall at O’Donnell High School.

“By displaying a religious message in its entryway, O’Donnell ISD infringes on its students’ constitutionally protected religious freedom,” the letter read. “By endorsing a religious message, the school district violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.”

Following receipt of the correspondence, which was based upon an unidentified complainant, Amonett had the painting covered, as well as the quote of Isaiah 40:31. But students allegedly tore the black paper down in protest. The paintings were consequently re-covered with the American flag.

Students pushed back by posting scores of Scriptures on the wall.

“Students have put verses on sticky notes just around the hallways and stuff. So two verses and Commandments they’ve been complaining about turned into 70 verses,” student Sebastian Pedroza told local television station KCBD.

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A public meeting was held about the matter and, according reports, approximately 100 area residents attended to express their views—with many being in favor of the Ten Commandments display.

Nonetheless, Amonett has now announced that the mural has been painted over to avoid a lawsuit.

“Although the district’s students and community members strongly support the preservation of the mural as it is, I have decided that its continued display in the commons area of the school is not in the district’s best legal interests,” she said in a statement.

Amonett applauded students for taking a stand in the matter.

“I am so very proud of the students at O’Donnell ISD for taking a stand for what they believe in and for demonstrating extremely mature conduct in the expression of those beliefs,” she said. “They have shown themselves to the world to be strong, intelligent and passionate students who deserve to be respected.”

But, she opined, “The current state of American constitutional jurisprudence, however, does not permit the district to continue its display of the mural.”

As previously reported, the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision of Van Orden v. Perry, which upheld a Ten Commandments monument at the Texas state capitol, noted that Decalogue displays are “common throughout America.”

“We need only look within our own courtroom,” the justices wrote. “Since 1935, Moses has stood, holding two tablets that reveal portions of the Ten Commandments written in Hebrew, among other lawgivers in the south frieze.”

“Similar acknowledgments can be seen throughout a visitor’s tour of our nation’s capital. For example, a large statue of Moses holding the Ten Commandments, alongside a statue of the Apostle Paul, has overlooked the rotunda of the Library of Congress’ Jefferson Building since 1897,” the decision continued. “And the Jefferson Building’s Great Reading Room contains a sculpture of a woman beside the Ten Commandments with a quote above her from the Old Testament (Micah 6:8).”

“A medallion with two tablets depicting the Ten Commandments decorates the floor of the national archives,” the court outlined. “Inside the Department of Justice, a statue entitled “The Spirit of Law” has two tablets representing the Ten Commandments lying at its feet. In front of the Ronald Reagan Building is another sculpture that includes a depiction of the Ten Commandments.”


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  • Shane Egan

    The legal framework that prevents Christians from imposing their beliefs on others also protects Christians from being forced to endure the tenets of other religions or indeed other sects of Christianity. If this had been a Muslim text, or a Mormon one do you think the Christians would be defending ‘religious liberty’ as strongly – or is it only their particular brand of religion they feel is entitled to special protections?

    That’s why those laws are in place – to ensure that everyone can practice their religion without the state trying to indoctrinate them in any other.

    • Representative

      There is no law without moral law, the law of the Universe that God created. Giving in to luciferian demands does nothing but cause chaos, strife and confusion.

      • Tangent002

        U.S. law is based on the Constitution, not the Bible.

        • dakdakdakdak

          Before anyone says “but the constitution is based on the ten commandments”. No, just because there are 10 of them doesn’t mean squat. The constitution are rules by the people for the authority to follow, the 10 commandments are rules by the authority for the people to follow. Some of the commandments would violate the bill of rights were they also enforced.

          • Giraffe-Junk

            And remember that the first amendment goes against the first commandment.

          • MarkSebree

            Actually, it goes against at least the first 4 Commandments.

        • Representative

          The US Constitution is based in part upon the Magna Carta, in which whose sections come from the Bible. It expounds moral law which is cognizant of a Divine Creator. Cultural Marxism has destroyed the law of a Divine Creator because they want to destroy the concept of good and evil.

          • Tangent002

            Good and evil are subjective. Human Rights are not.

          • Representative

            Subjective maybe to you but in the end let’s hope you figure that out before it’s too late

          • MarkSebree

            Looks like he has figured it out. You are the one with your eyes closed.

    • Gena B

      I agree. As a Christian the more we impose our beliefs on those practicing or not practicing pagan religions the more our freedoms as Christians can be taken away. A public school is just that a place for all to learn and I would not want to see the Koran posted up.

    • Guzzman

      Completely agree – the Ten Commandments were posted to promote a specific religious belief and that is clearly an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.

      The article pointed to the only Supreme Court case that upheld the display of the Ten Commandments, but failed to mention why the display was upheld in that one case. In Van Orden v. Perry, the Court considered a Ten Commandments monument on the Texas capitol grounds permissible only because the display was ONE OF SEVENTEEN monuments and 21 historical markers on the broad plaza.

      In the majority of cases considering government posting of the Ten Commandments, the Court has prohibited stand-alone religious displays based on the long held constitutional principle that the government may not take any action that endorses a specific religious belief.

    • JTLiuzza

      Of course the corollary to that is that if it were a few verses from the quran, the perpetually miserable and aggrieved atheists would have turned a blind eye.

      • Shane Egan

        They would certainly not turn a blind eye if this had been a Muslim prayer.

        I realise that many Christians believe that atheists ‘single out’ Christain violations of the law because they think atheists are afraid of Muslims, or because they think that atheists secretly know that their’ Jewish war god is real. I can assure you neither is true.

        Can you tell me of an instance where a public school has painted verses from the Koran on a wall, or recites Hindu prayers at graduation or any other examples of religions intruding into the public space like Christianity does?

      • Croquet_Player

        That is entirely false. There must be NO religious indoctrination in public schools, of any kind. Anyone who suspects religious indoctrination, of any sort at all, must speak out. It is illegal, it violates the rights of students, and it must not be tolerated.

  • 0bsoleteMan

    If you really want to get the school’s attention, don’t complain. Instead, act by removing your kids from the school. The school will immediately lose the portion of state funding that comes with your kids being there.

    Besides, if you’re a Christian, should you really be sending your kids to public k12 schools at all?

    • bowie1

      In Canada parents who send their kids to a Christian school still pay education taxes for the public school system (even non-parents pay that tax if they are property owners.)

      • 0bsoleteMan

        The same is true in the USA. However, each local school system here also receives a portion of extra funding from the state government for every student that is enrolled in a school. The fewer students that are in a particular school the less money said local school system receives from the state.

        We homeschool, and we still pay taxes to the school system, but if that’s the price I have to pay to not have my children indoctrinated to hate God and hate the USA, then I am all for it.

        • bowie1

          Same here with the public school receiving less from the province. I assume it goes to other infrastructure expenses.

    • Kelly Samuelson

      Unfortunately not all Christian parents can afford private Christian schools for their children.

      • 0bsoleteMan

        We homeschool in part because we cannot afford private schooling. And while I do understand that for some parents it can be a major sacrifice, for many, it isn’t. It simply boils down to coming down a few pegs in one’s lifestyle.

        A lot of the same people (this is a general comment, not directed at you) who say they can’t afford such options seem to have plenty of cash for McMansions, higher end cars, the latest tech gadgets, daycare and other frivolities. It is all a matter of priorities.

  • Stupid Atheist

    Step One: Ask God to get everybody on Earth to agree on one thing He wants; and
    Step Two: Paint THAT on the wall…

    • Trilemma

      Then they should paint on the wall:

      “Do to others what you would want them to do to you.”

      • Stupid Atheist

        I don’t know that we want to give sado-masochists that sort of license…

        • hytre64✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Half of them would vote for “Do unto others BEFORE they do unto you…”
          Stupid sin nature…

        • Trilemma

          How would you word the Golden Rule so as to explicitly exclude sadomasochism?

          • Stupid Atheist

            “Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes…!”

    • ZappaSaid88

      Have God paint it on the wall too.

      • Stupid Atheist

        Can’t. I’m told He’s been banned from public schools.

        Apparently, if He gets too close, His ankle starts beeping…

  • Representative

    Human beings are MORAL AGENTS and without MORAL LAW, there cannot be order. Apparently the school district in question has acquiesced to the Marxist claims of “freedom of religion” by giving in to their truly luciferian argument. Where are the courageous Christians that we are supposed to be? Why is everyone so threatened?

    • dakdakdakdak

      Morality comes from within. If you’re not killing people *only* because your god tells you not to, then you’re a terrible person.

      Morality is doing what’s right regardless of what you’re told. Religion is doing what you’re told regardless of what’s right. If Abraham was a moral guy, when God told him to kill Isaac he would have said ‘no’.

      • Kelly Samuelson

        Not true. God blessed him with his son Issac. He was asking Abraham to be obedient to him, testing him. Abraham had free will like everyone else, and could have said no. But he loved God first, and CHOSE to be obedient in His will.
        If you know the whole story, you know God didn’t let him kill Issac and instead gave them a different offering to use.
        One final thought, God let his only begotten son, Jesus, be sacrificed for all of our sins. He loved us enough, regardless of if we choose what’s right or not.

        • Steve Gager

          Why would a loving god be so cruel and abusive?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yeah, giving eternal life and all those blessings – so cruel and abusive. /sarc

          • uninvitedguest

            Killing the first born during passover, global flood killing everyone, etc.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So you think someone like Hitler should have lived? Do you know what people were doing pre-Flood? Do you know why the Passover had to happen? You’ve got a choice. Choose life.

          • Kelly Samuelson

            How was he cruel and abusive, exactly?

          • Kelly Samuelson

            How is he cruel and abusive?

      • Representative

        That is so messed up what you just said. LOL

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What would you like the school district to do instead?

      • Representative

        Fight back, at least.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Okay, by doing what?

          • Representative

            Well if something like this happened near me, I would be going down to the mayor’s office, or I would be calling to talk to my local representative, for starters.

          • MarkSebree

            And would you listen to them when they explain that they have no hope of winning this fight? That there are many federal and supreme court cases that support the US Constitution’s separation of church and state. That a gallon of paint is far cheaper than the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they could spend on a losing law suit, and that money would be better spent on the school and the students? Because, if your mayor and local representative are intelligent, that is what they will say. Which is basically the same things that others have been telling you, and you have not been listening.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Okay, you want the school to go to the mayor, and the local congressperson, and what would they do?

      • Bob Johnson

        Ya – Fight Back – the ACLU and FFRF need the money.

    • tatoo

      Christians have murdered and tortured people for centuries for Jesus. How moral is that.

      • Representative

        If you’re referring to the Spanish Inquisition, you should use your critical thinking skills and think it through…that is not Christian, to murder and torture. People can “say” they are Christians, but that doesn’t make it so. Real Christians are identified by their acts which reflect Jesus Christ, not the devil.

        • Bob Johnson

          This is known as the “No True Scotsman Fallacy.”

          You might wish to add to the Spanish Inquisition, The several Crusades, I personally find the 20 year Albigensian Crusade the most disturbing. And let’s not forget the witch hunts of Europe and America, the Thirty Year War, and recent conflicts in Ireland.

          I could go on but what’s the point.

          • Representative

            Yeah please don’t go on because you’re quoting history books. These people were not Christians that perpetrated this. What is it about that that you don’t understand? Oh I get it, you think that just “because” they said they were Christians, they were… oh yeah right… well guess what, just because people “say” they believe in Jesus or “say” they are Christ followers doesn’t mean they are.. Where were you born ? In the turnip patch? Turn on those critical thinking skills before it’s too late

        • tatoo

          Not just the Inquisition. During the Middle Ages , Christians locked the Jews in their temples in Stuttgart and others, and burned it down with all inside. In St Edmonds they massacred Jews, and in York they threw them out of Clifford Tower. In addition, Christians of other persuasion, the Albigensian and Cthers were also killed by the “orthodox Christians” . Yes, they were Christians. These were sanctioned by the church.

          • Representative

            Let me get this straight with you. REAL CHRISTIANS DO NOT LOCK ANYBODY UP AND BURN THEM. REAL CHRISTIANS ARE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST. Get it straight, ok. Obviously, obviously you have no clue what being a follower of Christ is. Please don’t cut and paste out of these history books, quoting others who also have no clue what Christianity is. Surely does the Bible say, narrow is the way and strait is the path and few there be that find it. Meaning, there are not many real Christians in this world. Capeche?

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Yeah sure.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Most people sent their children to a public school because they want freedom from your religion or any other for that matter.

      • Representative

        That is not why people send their children to public school. It’s free, that’s why.

  • bowie1

    I wonder if a curtain would have sufficed.

    • Kelly Samuelson

      They tried that, the kids tore it down in protest, an act I applaud

      • bowie1

        Too bad. Some multi-faith chapels do that in hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

        • MarkSebree

          Where people go because they want to, not because they have to. The students are required to be there by law, and they come from many different faiths and traditions, not all of them Christian. The school is a branch of the government, and its staff are effectively government employees and actors. As such, they are banned by the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution from showing any favoritism towards any religion, or disparage any religion. Having a large mural of version of the Ten Commandments in one of the main halls shows favoritism towards a specific religious belief system, which is a violation of that Establishment Clause. In their own homes, and on their own time, the teachers and staff can follow any religious beliefs that they want however they want. But while they are representing the government and the school, they cannot.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA needs the Ten Commandments for life. The Ten Commandments are all about everything vital and good and true. Atheist activist groups are so evil to oppose something so vital and good and true in America. Americans should remember the land belongs to God forever and not to Americans.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Before the actual commandments began, the Holy Scripture records: “And God spoke all these words, saying: ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.'” (Exodus ch.20) Not-obeying to the one true God is being enslaved to sin. Following is the Western civilization therefore entire world’s foundation of freedom: “Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, ‘If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.'” (John ch.8) Jesus is the Truth and freedom is found only in Him, and it should be taught to children and not hidden from them so that children could have a chance of obtaining the full life in Jesus. Secularism has nothing to support life but only immorality and meaninglessness and despair. All people need Jesus for salvation.

    • Tangent002

      Sorry, Grace, not everyone believes in God.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        No, but everyone has a religion, and currently atheism is the religion du jour that is pushed down everyone’s throats.

        • Tangent002

          Nope. You’re just upset because your religion doesn’t get placed on a pedestal anymore.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Christianity was never placed on a pedestal. If it did, it would cease to be Christianity.

            That said, the Founding Fathers encouraged Christianity and wanted it to flourish. The country the US has now is not what they envisioned.

          • Amos Moses

            This does not upset the true christian …… it tells us Christ is very near ….. and we rejoice in that … even if it means we will have to suffer for a time …. this life is temporary …. what comes after is not ……….

          • Tangent002

            Not having Bible verses painted on school walls must be quite the burden to bear!

          • Amos Moses

            Not for us ………. it is the expected reaction of those who reject Christ ….. nothing new there ……..

          • Amos Moses

            Really ….. even if you do not believe in God ….. tell me just what is so offensive about do not steal, do not kill, do not covet … i mean really ….. guess we can just expunge the entirety of the law that says the samething …………

          • Tangent002

            I’d prefer to have the Bill of Rights painted on the school wall.

          • Amos Moses

            But that would be a religion then …….. government is already dismantling all of that also …..

          • Tangent002

            You have a bizarre definition of religion.

          • Amos Moses

            it is what you obey and love ….. and clearly … you do both to that ……..

          • tatoo

            Nothing is offensive. But, I am the lord they God is.

          • tatoo

            I believe they have said Christ is near for over 2000 years. I’m beginning to think they miscalculated.

          • Amos Moses

            Well when you live outside of time …… nope …..

          • uninvitedguest

            Exactly

        • uninvitedguest

          LOL

        • tatoo

          Again, this is a good thing. Reason is so sensible.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yes, reason is sensible. Too bad atheists don’t have any.

    • ZappaSaid88

      Feel free to teach your children and the children of those who believe like you all about Jesus. Do it at home. Do it at Sunday school. It doesn’t belong in a public school where there are kids of many faiths.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Then when shootings and other mayhem break out, don’t complain Zap. After all, that’s the fruit of removing God from schools.

        • uninvitedguest

          Schools are for educating, not indoctrination into religion.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I agree, which is why atheism and evolution have no place in the public school system.

          • uninvitedguest

            Atheism no. Evolution yes.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They’re one and the same, and both without merit.

          • uninvitedguest

            Opinions vary so i will stand on the side of science. You can turn to your bible for all the answers.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’ve never studied science, so how would you know if you stand on the side of science? It doesn’t contradict the Bible, you know.

          • uninvitedguest

            LOL! your holy text is incompatible with the science you know nothing of. Too funny!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not what the great scientists say – Newton, Pupin, Maury, Damadian – who based their science on the Word. It’s not what Creationist scientists say who, like myself, found the truth through study. It’s clear you know nothing about science. 🙂

          • slatyb

            They had to at least pretend to be Christian because in their time Christians killed heretics. In the 20th century, almost all the top scientists are also atheists.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They didn’t pretend! 🙂 Read their books – they were inspired and awed by the Word of God. Dr. Damadian is very much alive and well today. He invented the MRI.

          • uninvitedguest

            Sure i dont. You got me there. Lies for christ are still lies

          • Rick Derris

            Just don’t tell the Catholics. The Catholic church has long accepted evolution.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Look what the catholic “church” did to Galileo. They have always been on the wrong side of science – and of God. I don’t count them as Christian, but just another cult.

          • Rick Derris

            That’s because you’re an idiot.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Because I think it’s wrong to attack a scientist for doing science?

          • Rick Derris

            You did attack Darwin.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Darwin wasn’t a scientist. He was a failed academic. He was racist. In fact, that’s what his entire science was based upon – the fact that he thought blacks looked like apes. Read his works, complete and unabridged. The man was a lunatic.

          • Rick Derris

            And you’re still attacking him.

            Hypocrisy, they name is Guest (check verified).

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Of course I’m not going to go along with a racist, a bigot, and a faux scientist.

          • Rick Derris

            You support Trump, so you already have.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You got nothing. You believe in the fairy tales of a man who thinks that black people are inferior, are to be treated like animals, who was revered and quoted by Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, etc. That’s the legacy of Darwin and his followers.

          • Rick Derris

            That’s the legacy of the conservative Church!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The true church is neither conservative nor liberal. They’re yes and Amen. They are the Body of Jesus Christ.

            It is the Christian church that overturned slavery. It was atheism and evolution that promoted it.

          • Rick Derris

            Yet here you are, on a conservative site.

            It was Abraham Lincoln that overturned slavery. The Bible condones it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Bible doesn’t condone it, and it was Christians who called for it to be overturned. Even look at the lyrics to “O Holy Night”:

            Truly He taught us to love one another;His law is love and His gospel is peace.Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother;And in His name all oppression shall cease.Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,Let all within us praise His holy name.

            Christ is the Lord! O praise His Name forever,His power and glory evermore proclaim.His power and glory evermore proclaim.

          • Rick Derris

            If you’re claiming that the Bible doesn’t condone slavery, you don’t know the Bible at all.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I know the Bible very well. Read Philemon.

          • Rick Derris

            Ephesians 6:5-8 (NASB): 5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; 6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 7 With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.

            1 Timothy 6:1-2 (NASB): 1 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. 2 Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.

            Ephesians 6:9 (NASB): 9 And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

            Colossians 4:1 (NASB): 1 Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven.

            All of these verses condone slavery, and were used by Christians to enslave black people in America.

            That’s to say nothing of The Old Testament, whose slave laws were far more brutal.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Slaves weren’t the invention or fault of Christians. The world system had slavery long before Christianity or Judaism. Those verses instruct Christians how to get along in such a system. However, it was the instruction of Paul to Philemon in the book bearing that name that caused slavery to be overturned by Christians. Look up Wilbur Wilberforce, John Wesley, Harriet Beecher Stowe, etc., and you will see that to be the case.

            Africans were sold into slavery by Muslim Arabs, not by Christians, and their freedom was won by Christians, not by Muslim Arabs. Muslim Arabs still practice slavery today.

            By the way, the first slave owner in the United States was a black man.

          • Rick Derris

            There it is. The justification of slavery. Somehow God couldn’t get the word out that it was evil, despite being omnipotent.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’ve never justified slavery. God DID get the word out that slavery was bad, which is why kidnapping was punishable by death. Freedom is so important to God that He gave us free will, even if it meant that humans invented bad things like slavery. Then God gave us the means to abolish it if we wanted to – and the western world, led by Christianity, did just that.

            I mention the fact that the first slave owner in the US was a black man because you seem to think that slavery was a white/black thing. The largest group of people that were ever enslaved were the Irish.

            The slave trade was run by Arab Muslims and Africans. Do you really want to try to pretend it was a Christian invention?

          • Rick Derris

            Slaves weren’t considered kidnapped.

            This is where Christians always get lost because they have to either justify one of the most evil acts that mankind has ever committed, or wonder why a God that is all good would condone such acts.

            If anything, slavery in the Bible shows that God is not all good, and therefore, could not be real.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The way the Bible describes slavery (indentured servants) is a far cry from what modern slavery was. Modern slavery consisted of kidnapped people sold by their own into the slave trade.

            Slavery shows that mankind is corrupt and in need of a Saviour. That’s why it took the followers of such a Saviour to abolish it.

          • Rick Derris

            There it is. The continued defense of slavery.

            Indentured servitude only applied to other Israelites (Exodus 21:2-6), but not to foreigners. They were to be treated as property and were chattel slaves (Leviticus 25:44-46).

            It always amazes me how Christians will defend a practice as evil and barbaric as slavery, so long as the Bible condones it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, I’ve repeatedly CONDEMNED slavery. So have Christians, which is why slavery is OUTLAWED in western lands.

            Let’s see Islam do the same.

          • Rick Derris

            You just defended slavery, because the Bible said it was swell.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Bible never said it was swell, which is why Christians overturned it. However you are confusing the kind of slavery the US and Britain had, and that Muslims still have today, with what the Bible says about it. The Bible NEVER condoned that.

          • Rick Derris

            Christians didn’t overturn it. Abraham Lincoln and capitalism did.

            The Bible was very clear that chattel slavery was accepted.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Abraham Lincoln was a Christian. So was Martin Luther, King, Jr. So was John Wesley and Wilbur Wilberforce. Harriet Beecher Stowe, etc etc – all Christians, and all overturned slavery and racist movements, racist movements that Darwin supported.

          • Rick Derris

            MLK overturned slavery?

            I must have missed the chapter in my history book that covered that one.

            Oh, you also included “racist movements” that Darwin supposedly supported. Did Darwin support segregation? I never saw anything on it.

            Speaking of supporters of segregation, did you read Bob Jones’ sermon on segregation? You can read about it here:

            http://www.drslewis.Org/camille/2013/03/15/is-segregation-scriptural-by-bob-jones-sr-1960/

            Spoiler alert: Bob Jones was a BIG fan of segregation, and it was that love of segregation that built the religious right.

            For every Christian that fought slavery, there were Christian slave owners that were defending the practice to the point where they went to war against the country over it.

            Bottom line is that the Bible supports slavery.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Re-read my post – “slavery and racist movements”.

            Darwin taught that blacks were inferior, that they were sub-human, that they were like animals and should be treated as such, that they needed to be governed and controlled like dogs on a leash.

          • Rick Derris

            Did you read any of my comment?

            Did you read the part about Bob Jones?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I read your entire comment and stepped over the part about Bob Jones because Bob Jones is nothing to me. John Wesley’s movement was worldwide.

          • Rick Derris

            Bob Jones is the reason this site even exists.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            John Wesley is the reason why Christianity exists today.

          • Rick Derris

            We have a non-sequitur on the field.

            Trying to compare Christanity in the 1700s to today is a five yard penalty. Second down.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Incorrect. One of the tenets of Christianity is that it doesn’t change. However, you’ve actually claimed the opposite of what would have helped your argument. 🙂

          • Rick Derris

            BWAHAHAHAHA!

            Christianity doesn’t change?

            Two thousand years of history says otherwise!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Respectfully, Rick, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

          • Rick Derris

            Christianity is not.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Jesus defined Christianity as thus: “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31). That means that Christianity doesn’t change.

          • Rick Derris

            Well, then 2,000 years of history has proven Jesus wrong.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Christians have always followed Jesus’ teachings from the early Jewish church. Anyone who says they’re Christians but don’t follow Jesus’ teachings are the fake Christians Jesus warned us about.

          • Rick Derris

            The No True Scotsman fallacy strikes!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You know that doesn’t work if you change the definition, right? And who knows better what the definition of Christianity is than Jesus Christ, the One who founded it in the first place?

          • Rick Derris

            I didn’t change any definition.

            What I’ve seen from you throughout this conversation is that when it comes to things that are evil in the Bible (like the justification of slavery), you point to Christians who lived well after the Bible was written as examples of Christianity being anti-slavery despite what the Bible says.

            To that point, I will say that yes, there were religious groups that were opposed to slavery, at least in the United States. The Quakers led the way on that. Yet there were other groups like the Southern Baptists that were created specifically because of the divide in the church over the issue of slavery. Southern Baptists were all for it.

            As proof that Christianity does indeed change, the SBC has issued apologies for condoning slavery.

            This is all done because, regardless of what the Bible says, our sense of ethics and morality in our society says that slavery is wrong. Even if the Bible says it’s right.

            However, when you decide to make the false claim that Christianity never changed, you cite the Bible; then, you overlook all of the Christians and Christian sects that have evolved since then. That makes it all too easy to not concern oneself with the fact that the American Evangelical church has tied itself in with white supremacy over the past thirty plus years.

            You can’t have it both ways, unless you want to be dishonest about the current state of the American church today.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) You are confused about what slavery is

            b.) You are unclear about what the New Covenant says about slavery

            c.) You are unclear about who overturned slavery

            d.) You are unclear about why slavery was overturned

            e.) You are blaming Christianity for things they have nothing to do with.

          • Rick Derris

            Wow. Five declarations with no evidence. Super!

            a.) From the Legal Dictionary: A slave is a person owned by someone and slavery is the state of being under the control of someone where a person is forced to work for another. A slave is considered as a property of another as the one controlling them purchases them or owns them from their birth.

            b.) I already posted this, but here it is again:

            Ephesians 6:5-8 (NASB): 5 Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; 6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 7 With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.

            1 Timothy 6:1-2 (NASB): 1 All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. 2 Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved. Teach and preach these principles.

            Ephesians 6:9 (NASB): 9 And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

            Colossians 4:1 (NASB): 1 Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven.

            c.) In America, it was Abraham Lincoln. Already said this, too.

            d.) In America, it was done as a political move so that Abraham Lincoln could show that the Southern States were still a part of the union. Lincoln himself even said, ” If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

            Slavery ended throughout the world for different reasons, but it was the Chinese that were the first to do so, long before Christ was born.

            e.) I’m simply showing that the Bible condones slavery, and Christians used the Bible as justification for owning slaves. Talking about the abolitionists is irrelevant to the fact that Christians in America did own slaves, and used the Bible as justification for doing so.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re clearly still confused about slavery.

            Christians overturned slavery. Christians and Jews have always been the ones who made the world a better place.

            Slavery is not overturned and is still practiced in the world today. China still practices slavery.

          • Rick Derris

            Every country in the world has banned chattel slavery.

            The Chinese were the first to do so before Christ was born. I’m not saying it was permanent, but they did it without Judeo-Christianity.

            You’re still going back to the “Christians did this”. I’m talking about what the Bible says about slavery.

            The Bible specifically endorses it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re completely wrong. Slavery is still practiced in Muslim countries, China, etc. with over 30 million slaves alive today.

            The Bible is why slavery was overturned in Christian lands.

            Read the Book of Philemon. Read the lyrics I gave you to O Holy Night. Check out the history of Onesimus.

          • Rick Derris

            I’ve already given you verses that show that the Bible condones slavery. Continuing to deny this simply makes you a liar.

            I said that chattel slavery is banned throughout the world. Apparently you don’t understand slavery.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You gave a verse taken out of context, and discounted all the other verses and BOOKS from the Bible that showed otherwise. History is your friend. So is reading comprehension. So is thorough research. So is truth.

            Logic: If Jesus Christ came to free us, why in the world would He promote enslavement?

            P.S. – CHATTEL slavery is still in existence today.

          • Rick Derris

            I gave you several verses that were in their proper context. You haven’t provided one. Even in Philemon, Paul was returning a runaway slave.

            “If Jesus Christ came to free us, why in the world would He promote enslavement?”

            Well, the logical answer is that Jesus Christ is a myth. It’s why the Bible calls for genocide, rape victims to be forced to marry their rapists, misogyny, and homophobia. Because the idea that there’s an all merciful, loving deity out there is a myth.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Paul wasn’t returning a run away slave to slavery. He was preparing a former slave owner to set his slave free and pleading against slavery for the cause of Christ. Look up the history of Onesimus – he rose to greatness in the church. That doesn’t sound like returning a slave to an owner.

            You clearly have no idea who God is, yet you choose to malign Him. Why is that?

          • Rick Derris

            He was returning a slave to a slave owner. End of story.

            That’s to say nothing of the many times when Paul condoned slavery.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No he wasn’t. He was preparing a former slave owner to forgive someone who stole from him and to greet him as a brother.

          • Rick Derris

            At the owner’s discretion. No condemnation of slavery was made.

            If you’re not going to admit that the Bible endorsed slavery by now, it’s only because you’re lying. If you’re lying, there’s no point in carrying on in this conversation.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, you’re making up stuff right, left, and center, and when called out on it, you slink away.

            History proves that Christianity stamped out slavery wherever Christianity was prevalent. That still stands today.

          • Rick Derris

            What did I make up?

            Go ahead, tell me.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, the whole thing – all the derogatory stuff about God, the Bible, about chattel slavery being obsolete in the world today, the purpose of the Book of Philemon, Paul’s stand on slavery, Philemon’s historical role, etc. etc. Anyone can look this stuff up – it’s HISTORY, and you got it all wrong.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Are you serious? Catholicism is where Christianity started.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No it didn’t. Judaism is where Christianity started. The early church was Jewish and not one catholic among them.

        • slatyb

          That’s the fruit of unregulated gun sales. The US is the only developed nation with this problem.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not true. There are mass murders all over the world. Guns have been part of the USA since its inception. Gun violence is only becoming a problem once God was taken out of the schools.

        • tatoo

          Funny how most inmates in prison are Christians.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not true. 🙂 Some do, however, turn to God after being incarcerated.

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Are you seriously saying that taking God out of the schools is what caused the shootings to happen? I don’t believe what I’m reading.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Look at the historical timeline of prayer and Bible reading being removed from schools, along with the teaching of evolution and compare it with the rise of school shootings.

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            Look up “post hoc fallacy”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why don’t you, so that you can see how you’ve misused the term? 🙂 I’ll give you a hint – those online sites for logic are about as accurate as Babel is for a foreign language translation. 🙂

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            Post hoc ergo propter hoc (Latin: “after this, therefore because of this”) is a logical fallacy (of the questionable cause variety) that states “Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X.”

            Yet another Guest fail.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Except that’s not what happened. 🙂 Another fail by the wannabe logician. 🙂

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            Except that’s not what happened.

            Happened??

            Sorry, your EXPLANATION is a post hoc fallacy. You don’t even know what it means.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            YOU don’t even know what it means! Ha ha~

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            Guest fail.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            HA HA HA!!!!!!!!

          • Bob Johnson

            Or maybe – “Correlation does not imply causation”

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Public schools teach atheism and immorality. Puritan Christians created America’s( therefore the world’s) public schools for all children to learn of God’s Word and how to live properly, and all Americans should learn Christianity to be lawful. America has no history or lawfulness apart from Christianity. You guys are erasing off your own ancestors and your own being by erasing off all the Christian records. Everyone needs to learn the Ten Commandments as ever American dollar has the word “In God we trust” and the confessions on God in the national anthems. It’s very strange secular Westerners single out Christianity as a religion to erase off but all paganisms and atheism as non-religions.

        • tatoo

          So what. Atheism is a good thing. Send you kids elsewhere.

    • tatoo

      Grace, there are actually 613 commandments. Do you eat pork? Shrimp? Cheese on a hamburger? Do you wear clothes with mixed fabrics? Perhaps we should be allowed to post these as well. Not everyone believes in the Jesus thing, nor the commandments things. I doubt even you do if the answer to the questions I posed were yes.

  • Gena B

    Removing scripture from a public school wall does not take away my right as a Christian. If you send your kid to public school you will allow those teachers to teach worldly things and if you disagree you send them to a private Christian school or home school. If you post Christian verses then Satanic cults, and every other pagan religion will have the right to post their views. Public schools are not Christian institutions, no matter how much we might like it to be.

    • Croquet_Player

      Thank you, Gena B. A perfectly sensible approach, and entirely in line with the Constitution. I would remind people that today was “See You at the Pole Day”, where, as I understand it, students of Christian faith meet before school to pray as a group. They do this of their own accord, with no involvement from school teachers or administrators, which is just as it should be. Students have every right to pray (or not) in school, AND to be free from religious coercion from adult government school employees. This protects everyone, and impinges on no-one’s beliefs or practices. The Constitution at work. It’s a wonderful thing.

    • Chet

      Disagree. Take away a harmless wall poster today, a Holy Bible off one’s desk tomorrow and shut the gospel sharing mouths of Christians the next day. Can you not see the Devil’s work at issue everywhere in these last days…

    • sul

      Just in case you don’t know, Satanic cults are now promoting themselves in high schools. Plus, placing the Ten Commandments in the school wall doesn’t harm anyone. If it had been a quote from the Quran it wouldn’t harm anyone either. It’s just propagandist agenda from this ridiculous atheist organization, unknowingly used by Satan indeed.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    The FFRF says…“By displaying a religious message in its entryway, O’Donnell ISD infringes on its students’ constitutionally protected religious freedom,” the letter read.

    NO they are not to be protected FROM religion but have their rights protected to practice religion. We allowed them to remove prayers and the bible and now they are removing anything which remains.

    You want to stand?

    “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”

    • tatoo

      And the students who are not called by his name, whichever God, you name, do not want to humble themselves or have not done anything evil, etc. should they have to have stupid stuff that promotes your religion on the wall. Surely the Flying Spaghetti Monster should have equal time.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        Oh he is getting way more then his fair time believe me. Actually he is favored over anything that remotely resembling truth. Also lovers of tater tots are welcomed and encouraged . Boys are encouraged to believe they are something other than boys and girls the same but we must never teach they are CREATED by a CREATOR who actually designed them to be what they are. No the wonderful Flying Spaghetti monster is welcomed along with tater tot lovers and mass confusion .

  • Croquet_Player

    Well done, Freedom From Religion Foundation. It is astonishing how many people, particularly school administrators, fail to grasp that it is illegal for adults to promote particular religious viewpoints in schools. And yet if students wish to pray in school, discuss their faith with their classmates, or bring religious texts to school, they have every right to do so. It’s really that simple, and it protects students from undue influence by teachers.

  • Well_Read

    the ‘portions’ of the ten commandments on moses tablets are the secular ones. the first 6 are clearly only religious in nature and are left off. Other times we see lists of ten are mostly the bill of rights, secular law.

    at the same time they approved the texas ten commandments they ordered the removal of a similar monument at another school. (one thing they always leave out).

  • A3Kr0n

    The Ten Commands should never have been there to begin with, and administrators should have known better.
    Also, O’Donnell ISD’s student handbook clearly states that any student placing a posting on a wall without prior approval will be subject to disciplinary action.

    • peanut butter

      I don’t think something that was painted on was not approved, or someone would have been punished by the school for vandalism long ago.

      • A3Kr0n

        The second part of my comment was in reference to the post-it notes the students were putting on the walls. According to the Student Handbook they are subject to disciplinary action for doing that. What would happen if students started placing racist, or homophobic post-it notes on the walls?

        • peanut butter

          But they’re not. They are only freely practicing their religion, just what the first amendment was purposed for.

  • cobalt100

    I am sorry that I feel compelled to use the “F” word in this situation. But there is no refuting it; religion, especially Christianity, is a “FRAUD.” Making promises that can’t possibly be kept, is unlawful and fraudulent.

    • Amos Moses

      What promise was made ………… i do not see you mention any ………….

  • Reason2012

    // “By displaying a religious message in its entryway, O’Donnell ISD infringes on its students’ constitutionally protected religious freedom,” the letter read. “By endorsing a religious message, the school district violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.”

    A complete lie.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

    No law was made forcing them to put up that 10 Commandments mural, so no violation of the establishment clause has taken place.

    But, to claim it’s ILLEGAL for it to be put up IS a violation of the First Amendment:

    Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

    So for them to claim it’s ILLEGAL to do so IS a violation and they need to be sued instead.

    They are using lies and money to attack Christianity and everyone’s folding instead of standing up to their bigotry and perverting of the First Amendment. Then we wonder why the blessings of God continue to be removed? We let God be removed, what do you expect?

    • Guzzman

      You are woefully ignorant of the criteria for violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Violations can involve government acts, laws, or even speech.

      The public school, being an arm of government, cannot promote or endorse a religious message. A Ten Commandments painting conveys an obvious religious message. The school made a mistake. The mistake has been corrected and the religious message was removed. A very costly lawsuit was avoided.

      • Reason2012

        // The public school, being an arm of government, cannot promote or endorse a religious message. //
        Please cite where in the Constitution it says “It’s illegal to have freedom of religion in public schools”.

        Please cite the law that was passed forcing this public school to put up the Ten Commandment display.

        Meanwhile you ignore how the Constitution says they CANNOT pass a law prohibiting the freedom of religion except where those who hate religion give their permission. That is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

        // A very costly lawsuit was avoided. //
        The only reason they caved.

        • Ralph Spoilsport

          Please cite the law that was passed forcing this public school to put up the Ten Commandment display.

          What you need to do is cite what gives a public school the authority to put up the ten commandments. Public schools don’t have such an authority. You might want to read Stone v. Graham (1980)

          • Reason2012

            So you cannot cite such a thing. Noted.

            The Constitution gives anyone or any groups of people to do just that if they feel so compelled.
            The Constitution gives anyone or any groups of people the right to NOT do that if they feel so compelled.

            That’s freedom.
            That’s liberty.
            That’s the United States of America.

            Not a third world country run by those who hate all beliefs but their own.

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            So you cannot cite such a thing. Noted.

            Because that’s not the problem.

            The Constitution gives anyone or any groups of people to do just that if they feel so compelled.

            No, it expressly prohibits the government from doing just that, and public schools are arms of the government.

            Have you read Stone v. Graham?

        • Guzzman

          The Supreme Court ruled in Stone v. Graham (1980) that public schools may not post the Ten Commandments because doing so violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. The Establishment Clause forbids government entities from promoting, sponsoring, or otherwise endorsing a religious message:

          “The pre-eminent purpose for posting the Ten Commandments on schoolroom walls is plainly religious in nature. The Ten Commandments are undeniably a sacred text in the Jewish and Christian faiths, and no legislative recitation of a supposed secular purpose can blind us to that fact. The Commandments do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, such as honoring one’s parents, killing or murder, adultery, stealing, false witness, and covetousness. See Exodus 20: 12-17; Deuteronomy 5: 16-21. Rather, the first part of the Commandments concerns the religious duties of believers: worshipping the Lord God alone, avoiding idolatry, not using the Lord’s name in vain, and observing the Sabbath Day. See Exodus 20: 1-11; Deuteronomy 5: 6-15.”

          • Reason2012

            Courts have been wrong before, and they’re wrong again.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

            No law was passing FORCING them to put on a Ten Commandments display. So the Constitution was not violated.

            Secondly, it’s now a violation to claim they cannot have freedom of religion except where those who hate that freedom give their permission.

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            No law was passing FORCING them to put on a Ten Commandments display. So the Constitution was not violated.

            Wrong. Public schools don’t have the authority to push religion on other people’s children. That violates the religious rights of students and their parents, who are the only ones who get to decide how to raise their own children in religion.

            See e.g. FFRF v. Connellsville Area School District (2015)

            the Ten Commandments monument at the Connellsville Area School District Junior High School runs afoul of the Establishment Clause. This ruling is in no way meant to denigrate the sincerely held religious beliefs of the citizens and elected officials in the Connellsville community who rallied in support of keeping the monument. For this ruling in no way restricts “the ability of the community to acknowledge the religious commitment of its people.” When, however, our government, at whatever level, departs from mere acknowledgement of our religious history to endorsement of a particular religious message, as set forth in the Ten Commandments, it has gone too far.

          • Reason2012

            Wrong. Your opinion means nothing – the Constitution is the issue here.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

            No law was passing FORCING them to put on a Ten Commandments display. So the Constitution was not violated. People at that school wanted it up, it cannot be illegal for such freedom of religion. If people at that school do not want it up, they don’t put it up – and no law can force them to either. See how great freedom is?

            Secondly, it’s now a violation to claim they cannot have freedom of religion except where those who hate that freedom give their permission.

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            Wrong. Your opinion means nothing – the Constitution is the issue here.

            It’s the opinion of judges and supreme court justices. Your opinion is worthless.

            No law was passing FORCING them to put on a Ten Commandments display. So the Constitution was not violated.

            Wrong. You’re ignoring the first amendment rights of students and their parents. Public schools don’t HAVE rights.

            People at that school wanted it up, it cannot be illegal for such freedom of religion.

            Wrong. Public schools aren’t free-for-all billboards.

            If people at that school do not want it up, they don’t put it up

            And what if some want it up, and others don’t? And what if 100 people want 100 different things up?

            Secondly, it’s now a violation to claim they cannot have freedom of religion except where those who hate that freedom give their permission.

            Nobody’s saying that, and it can’t be a violation for a private citizen to voice an opinion, even if it’s incorrect.

            Notice how the school painted over it after consulting with a real lawyer? What legal training do you have?

          • Guzzman

            So who put you in charge of deciding whether Supreme Court decisions are right or wrong? That’s laughable. And why do you keep repeating the lie that the Constitution was not violated because no law was passed to authorize placing the religious mural in a public school? I already explained that the criteria for violating the Establishment Clause are not limited solely to laws – any government action that promotes, supports, or otherwise endorses religion can potentially violate the Establishment Clause.

            Public schools are operated by government, and government is mandated to remain neutral on religious matters. The government has no religious freedom – under the enumerated powers given to it under the Constitution, there is no grant of authority over religious matters. The school had no authority to display a religious mural. The school’s legal counsel pointed this out and school officials wisely removed the religious mural to avoid an inevitable lawsuit.

    • Worf

      Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the U.S. Supreme Court decided the following:

      “The establishment of religion clause means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government may set up a church. Neither can pass laws that aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion… . ***Neither a state or the federal government may, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa.*** In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect ‘a wall of separation between church and state.’”

      • Reason2012

        Nice opinion – unfortunately for them, the Constitution actually DOES say

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

        No law was passed here FORCING them to put up the Ten Commandment display, so no violation has taken place.

        And it would now BE a violation to pretend such freedom of religion is illegal except where those who hate that right give you permission.

        • Worf

          I didn’t post an opinion. I posted a Supreme Court ruling.

          This precedent has been set, and the PUBLIC school was wrong to put up the religious display. Want religion in your kid’s schools? Send them to a private christian school. Public schools are agents of the government and, by law, have to remain religiously neutral.

  • Steve Dustcircle

    Don’t break the law. Period.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Non-Western tyrants oppress and prohibit Christianity by calling it “Western” when in fact everything useful about themselves were imported from the West, starting from what they are wearing. Secular Westerners try to erase off Christianity from public places calling it a religion when in fact they leave anything pagan anywhere calling it a culture( they are not aware all those things are religious symbols; they don’t care) while teaching atheism and Sodomism by monopoly. It is impossible for Americans to erase off Christianity’s contribution from America as it is impossible not to see the Creator God’s goodness and evidences in the creation world. Honest humans are grateful to God. Thieves are ungrateful and they only try to erase off the owners’ marks, causing the house’s collapse. Thieves are fools. All American schools need Psalm 14 on their walls as well.

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      Secular Westerners try to erase off Christianity from public places calling it a religion

      Nope, you Christians call it a religion. We are arguing that it isn’t a religion, but you are all like, yes it is a religion.

      Christianity alone is prohibited in public places as a religion in the secular West. All other religions are treated as a culture.

      Do you have proof of that?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        The Western nations prohibit the employees wearing the necklaces with a cross but religious coverings of other people are okayed by the same employers. Pagans hate Christianity because of ignorance and barbarism. Secular Westerners hate Christianity because they are immoral. You dislike Christianity because you can dismiss other religions as a culture but not Christianity; it alone is true and pure and right and threatens you with God’s eternal truth.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          So noe proof, just what you hear from others got it! At my workplace they can wear their cross, or any other religious symbol, they can’t however push their religion on anyone else.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You need Christianity to get saved from your vain life. Everyone does.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You don’t know me, or know how I live.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You think it’s okay for the Ten Commandments to be removed from schools. That’s bad. Children need Jesus, their Saviour.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Religion has no place in a public school where children from different religions go to. I think if had been anything about Islam or any other religion you and your ilk would have protested with loud voices.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Taking away religion means taking away morality. That’s a meaningless education. Not education at all. Believing is one’s own choice, but all children need Christian education, not atheism. It is unfair and evil for public schools to only implement atheism and immorality over all things as if children have no choice.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Believing is one’s own choice

            See, you say it yourself.

            You want your kids to learn about Christianity, homeschool them or sent them to a Christian school, problem solved.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular Western authorities drain Christian parents’ strength sucking our blood because private Christian education is costly( though the schools themselves are being very sacrificial, too) while government-funded atheistic education is free. And unless you bow to Sodomy and appease the Sodomites, you can’t keep a position in the society, even. Godless people are trying to enslave hard-working godly in many ways in the West, a former Christendom.

            Free schools should not exist by the monopoly of atheism and immorality. Things are so unfair in the godless secular West. At least Christian education should be made free by the government as well. It’s tragic to send kids to free school to make them atheist. America is neither Nazis or Communist, but today’s Western public education resembles Nazi Youth movement or communist in forcing nation-wide falsehood upon children. Products of such education are conscience-less broke in one way or another.

          • tatoo

            Bullshit.

          • Jack

            Sorry that your life is one of vanity.

        • Jack

          That’s a gross and false generalization. At least so far as the USA is concerned. Where a necklace with a cross was prohibited it was because necklaces with pendants were prohibited — it’s not as if any one kind of neck jewelry was singled out.

          I’d need to know who the employer was that prohibited one but allowed the other.

          BTW, for someone so grouchy and so public about it, you take offense quite easily. But since you so easily attack others personally, it’s easy to see why you would feel under attack yourself.

          “Secular Westerners hate Christianity because they have immoral styles”

          Yuck.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jolanda is a European. In USA, people get imprisoned and fined and ruined if they refuse to endorse homosexual depravity. USA is a United States of Sodom nowadays. A pathetic country for a soldier to offer his life for. USA got to stay Christian to be worthy and fair and noble. American freedom is a mere junk if it has no Christian character. Any fool can claim to have freedom by sleeping around like animals or getting naked in public places or being addicted to substances. Jack, you are behaving like a woman by attacking people personallly. Be a man and stay with the topic. Your generation is so feminized altogether by the feminist liberals.

          • Jack

            Now you’re differentiating? Too late.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Europe imprisoned pastors for preaching the Biblical message as well. The incidents are too many. Humanists are oppressive and they bully those who disagree with them. The Westerners need Christianity to get saved and be good. The Westerners who chant Eastern religions are actually hedonists, except for the ones who became monks. You need Jesus to be saved. Stop mocking other people’s religions.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Uhm, which western and norther european countries imprisoned pastors for preaching? You know what freedom of religion means, right?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Somewhere Scandinavian( maybe Sweden) and Great Britain. They are very conscious of the Muslims and the Sodomites but ignore the Christians. Western humanists are so weird. They are shameful of the best noble thing(Christianity) which all their fathers and ancestors have lived by for 1,000-1,700 years and are afraid of foreigners and also appease sexual immoral people meaninglessly this century. No wonder the children get vicimized for the worst. Real parents should stand up.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            In britain they arrested a streetpreacher. They asked him to stop but he didn’t so he got arrested. And Sweden has a anti hate speech law, just like my country, so yeah that pastor broke the law. I think Belgium got it too. Break the law and you get arrested no matter if your white, black, yellow, red, religous or non religious. Laws are there for a reason.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Where did the freedom of expressions go? The West never arrests the haters against Christianity. The West has a double standard against the Christians alone. Laws are meaningless if they are injust. Germany elected Hitler lawfully before. The West needs the Holy Bible to do what is right unconditionally. Godless humanism is destructive to humanity; it was crazy racism last century but it’s crazy immorality this century. The latter can be worse than the former.

          • Bob Johnson

            “Where did the freedom of expressions go?”

            The Westboro Baptist Church takes their message from God to the streets at least twice a month. They even post their schedule online.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Westboro is your own local problem, nothing about global Christians. They didn’t hurt or kill anyone anyway. You guys always talk about Westboro and do nothing about real deadly problems and go for nudism on the streets and place men in women’s bathrooms. Your forefathers would have been altogether ashamed of today’s America.

          • Jack

            Gross generalizations.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Everyone is a sinner. “A tree is known by its fruit.” You need Jesus’ redemption to get saved from your sin and its consequences. Nothing else can cleanse you or save you. (Read Luke ch.6, Romans ch. 1-8)

          • Jack

            Gross overgeneralization.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s reality regarding all mankind. Honest humans admit they are sinners. Buddhists just didn’t know how to get saved. Western secularists are dishonest; that’s why they don’t admit their own sinfulness and try to enslave the world with their homosexuality and nudism. Unspeakably shameful descendants of the Christian West. People lose sanity when they are godless while having too much wealth and power and strength to spare but no children of their own on earth. Sad. Jesus said, “I am the Light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”(John ch.8) Jesus is the Saviour of the world. (John ch.4)

          • Jack

            Gross overgeneralization

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            “… colored people’s equality rights …”?

            You mean, like … Bayard Rustin?
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Frederick Douglass. The Holy Bible is the only tool for liberty, both then and now.

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            So you are unable to understand the pivotal role of Bayard Rustin.

            Is your Google broken?
            .

    • tatoo

      I have never been a sodomite, and my children seem okay. It is a little late to start since I am over 70.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    America has nothing if Christianity is taken away, as a man is nothing when he has no parents or conscience or purpose.

    • tatoo

      I have a lot. I have fun, friends, etc. How can religion be a purpose?

      • Jolanda Tiellemans

        Aaahh, you too? 😂😂😂

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Stop bullying.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Excuse me. I just confirm that like tattoo I have a lot, I have fun, friends. How is that bullying?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Tattoos are bad. Having fun is meaningless if you are going wrong way. What you call fun is sin. Jolanda, believe in Jesus and be washed and become pure.

            “This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” ( 1 John ch.1)

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So you’re always misserable cause having fun is a sin? Having fun with your kids, if you have them, is a sin? Having fun with your family is a sin? Having fun with your best friend is a sin? Having fun with your partner is a sin? You havr no ide what I think is fun, but I know what you thought. Not everything is sexual you know.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            What kind of fun do the tattood people have? Tattoos are the marks of gangsters and prostitutes and slaves. Wake up.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Have no idea where the whole tattoo thing came from, I think because there is a commenter here with the username tattoo right? Doesn’t mean he has tattoos. I find it pretty insulting that you think that anyone who has tattoos is in a gang, a prostitute or a slave.

            Repent of your lifestyle, renounce it, and trust in Jesus and live for the glory of God.

            And again, you think you know me. And thinking it’s all sexual. Get your mind out of the gutter. You think more about it then I do.

            There are far more wonderful and valuable things than merely having fun.

            Yes, family, friends, nature, a roof over my head, food on the table.

            Your creator, not mine.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Tattoos and branding were done to claim that the individuals are gangsters or prostitutes or slaves. Demon-worshippers get tattoos, too. It’s definling the body with the message: “I belong to something evil.” Just a fact. You didn’t know it because you are too young; the secular Westerners have made the bad thing as a fashion before you were born. “Evil is cool,” they said, and your generation listened to it. You told me about youself here that you support homosexuality.

            Everyone needs repentance and faith in Jesus to get saved. Your worst sin is unbelief in God. Depraved immorality is today’s young people’s most prominent problem in any rich free nations; it’s the top reason they cannot sustain anything about Christianity. God created you and everyone you meet and every good thing you have. You must become thankful to the Creator God and repent of your sin and believe in Jesus to get saved. There is no other way. (Genesis ch.1, John ch.3, Acts ch.4)

          • Bob Johnson

            “Tattoos and branding were done to claim that the individuals are gangsters or prostitutes or slaves”

            Tell that to a sailor.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Well she will say that the sailor is a devil worshipper. Wait for it. LOL!!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You guys must stop bullying. Don’t come by a bunch. Shame on you.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Nah, you are just so predictable, that’s all.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You bully because you are a sinner; it’s called universal depravity. Read James chapter 3 and John chapter 3 and repent of your sin to get saved. Read the Word of God instead of bullying the Christians in a Christian news site.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I suggest you grow a thicker skin. If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            God’s word is the word of life. You need the truth to have life. Freedom was established for declaration of God’s truth, not for submission to Western Sodomites in the 21st century.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Do you know of that biker group in the US who do a lot of.good work a specially for abused children. They escord.the children to court hearings protecting the child. I forgot the name. And *gasp* they have tattoos. But I guess you one of those who judge a book by there cover.

            ROFLMO too young? How old do you think I am?

            So suporting homosexuality means that that person thinks and has a lot of sex in your book? Oh, fail big fail.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Getting tattoos is a bad custom whoever does it; it has evil images and pours in toxins like smoking into the body on a polluted planet. Men do it to look tough on surface and evil, and women do it because their bodies are defiled by sleeping around and now want to look evil. It all happened because proper manhood and womanhood is being destroyed. The Holy Bible condemns homosexuality as a hell-bound sin; it needs to be repented of instead of endorsed in any way.

            You sound like a typical young liberal Westerner who slanders Christianity and abandoned normal morality for the love of immorality and for the hatred of Christians. Why do you come to a Christian site to talk to Christians to make them suffer? I hope you are not doing that to the Orthodox Jews or the Muslims. If you heard of the Biblical truth enough, seek God and His truth with honesty in your heart, repent of your sin and ask Him to save you and help you overcome the sin, and read the Holy Bible and go to church on Sunday to learn how to live for God according to the truth. Don’t waste your life.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Women do it because their bodies are defiled by sleeping around and now want to look evil. Well I see some more insulting and judging, how Christian of you. Well not I’m actually not surprised, you are a fundemantalist Christian, they love to judge a book by it’s cover. I have tattoos, I had my first boyfriend when I was about 19/20. I had two boyfriends in my entire live, have been celibate for the last 20 years. My best friend has tattoos, married when she was 20, is still married and is going to be a grandma in november. So try again. On the other hand, don’t need any more of your insulting. So if you only have that then.please don’t answer. You are a woman who only knows how to judge and being very insulting towards people you don’t even know.

            Oh and for your information I’m 48. So not a typical young liberal.

            I’m not doing to jews or muslims because they are not insulting or judging people like you do, well my friends anyway.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s statistics, Jolanda. Women who feel dirty about themselves( they never kept chastity) get tattoos to confirm the rebellion and the filthy lifestyles. Bad kids know by instinct what defile their body and what makes the loving parents suffer. People shouldn’t get tattoos anyway; it pollutes the Earth and children on top of all other spritually and physically negative outcomes. 48 is very young. Yes, don’t bother others. Unconditional forgiveness is an exclusive Christian virtue. You say the stuff you say because you’ve been thoroughly spoiled by gentle Christians. Let a rose or a dolfin or a butterfly or a star be where it is. They will hate to be drawn on filthy human flesh. Read Romans ch.8 to know how they really feel about the humans.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Seriously. Insults is all you have. Goodbye

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Everyone is a sinner, Jolanda. Please seek God and read His Word and repent and start anew by trusting in Jesus. “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new” ( II Corinthians ch.5) You can have a different life, pure and abundant life, in Jesus. He alone can give you eternal life. (John ch.3)

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So everyone being a sinner as you call it, gives you the right to insult them? And still Christians like you wonder why people like that turn their back on religion?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            People turn their back on religion because secularists are hedonistic and immoral and cannot stay anything true or pure. Fact-telling is not insulting. It’s not time for appeasing the mentally ill immoral people; truth and religious freedom and morality and global children’s life are at stake. Secularists use children for experiments because they have no true descendants. To them, life is over in a few decades; so they spend themselves on pollution. You need to understand the era and your culture. God has spared the West and its mental slaves only because of the Christian population and for no other reason. Read Genesis ch.18. He destroys civilizations when their evil is full. Genesis ch. 6-9 and 15. God gave every good thing to the West and the West corrupted itself by worship of humans. It just took different forms. A pattern of well-fed godless rich people. You need Jesus for sanity and salvation and doing things right.

          • Jack

            Gross overgeneralization. It’s clear you are an occidentaphobe.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. I love the West and the East and the South. Most of my best favorite authors happen to be Christian Westerners. The Westerners brought the copies of the Holy Bible and the life-saving Christianity into the world and I’m forever grateful for it. I don’t want to be bullied by the Westerners this century for rejecting current Western immoral culture. It’s too ridiculous for mankind after suffering all the racism at the hands of the West. People have a right to reject the West’s perversion.The Westerners were normal only when they were Christian. You guys do heinous things every time when you go against Christian teaching your only sane conscience because you are powerful. Stop persecuting the Christians. Enough atrocities. Learn something from WW2. No submission to falsehood. Never again.

          • Jack

            Secuphobe and gross overgeneralizer.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You need God’s truth to get saved. “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. …All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
            The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” ( Read Matthew ch.5-7, Romans ch.1-6)

          • Jack

            Gross undergeneralization.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It is God’s truth. Your opinion does not matter to yourself, only the Word of God does. Jesus also said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.” (John ch.14) You must mind the truth, not your feelings. Study God’s Word seriously.

          • Jack

            My opinion does not matter to myself?

            You are, again, wrong. Grossly wrong.

            Seriously, stop.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            !? You started to talk with me here. Man up and face a fact. Your opinion is an opinion, but the Word of God is the life-saving vital truth to you. Read Psalms ch.119.

          • Jack

            Yes, I addressed you. And now I am calling you to order.

            Man up? So you are a sexist as well.

            Thanks for your concern. But your knowledge and verbal fluency don’t make you right.

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            Tell us again how the Christian West invented everything, like the universally empowering base-10 numbering system ( instead of Roman numerals ) …
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Arabic numerals and Chinese gun powders are two exceptions.

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            Gunpowder?

            Your values are upside down.

            Australia?
            .

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            Do you have any substantiation for ( a ) atheists and or humanists being an equivalent grouping to Christians, and ( b ) who i responsible for pollution, and if they attribute their pollution to being atheist, secularist, or Christian?

            Or are you using the word “pollution” metaphorically according to a feeling of moral superiority on your part, not referring to poisoning the ecosystem and climate change?

            Thanks.
            .

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            Pollution and destruction of the Earth wise, I believe it’s certain Christian’s doctrine to consume the world now because soon it will be all over and they will ascend into heaven with the second coming of Jesus, so why leave anything behind?

            “… well fed godless people …” … have you ever seen a slender Bishop?
            .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, plenty. You are confined to your own small culture.

          • Peter Blaise

            .
            Wait .. so is the west great or a small culture now?
            .

          • Bob Johnson

            And the commenter has never specified. The person may love Military Tattoos, such as the Royal Edinburgh Tattoo, which indeed is a lot of fun. I mean it is a lot more than bagpipes.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            The seals have a tattoo too, right?

          • Bob Johnson

            True, the US Navy Seals have a tattoo (I like the former UDT tat better). However, a Military Tattoo is a performance of music by their marching band often with fireworks. The Royal Edinburg Tattoo takes place every summer at the Edinburg Castle in Scotland and has bands from around the world.

            I have a link pending to the Basel Tattoo playing Amazing Grace.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Oops you where talking about that tattoo. Yeah love the military tattoo too. It’s awesome.

  • Angel Triumphant

    They need to find a backbone like the students have! God bless those students!

  • Trilemma

    Why are Christians so enamored with displaying the Ten Commandments which come from ancient Jewish law? Most Christians don’t keep the Sabbath. Many make graven images and some even bow before them. Why not display something more relevant to Christianity such as the beatitudes?

  • JTLiuzza

    The big story here is not the usual hi-jinks of nitwit atheists and secularists but the fact that there are people actually still subjecting their children to state run schools.

    • tatoo

      No, it is that some people are still subjecting their children to the fear of hell, intolerance of others and the failure to reason.

  • Chet

    Why does leadership continually drop and roll over in the face of liberal anti God anti Christ adversity? The Devil and his willing or ignorant workers can only go so far. How about some strong men and women believers preferring to stand strong and dare to be a Daniel for a change. Stand and see how the Almighty handles the matter in the bottom line. God has not changed and will never fail to honor those who honor Him and his Word bears it out…

    • Ralph Spoilsport

      Why does leadership continually drop and roll over in the face of liberal anti God anti Christ adversity?

      Because the constitution is on the side of the liberals and against the school.

      • Chet

        Liberal godless interpretation of the Constitution, that ‘s all… Never was a problem till the Devil raised up Madelyn Murray and nowadays even more so critical are democrat politicos and their atheistic counterparts in obliging media.

        • Ralph Spoilsport

          Liberal godless interpretation of the Constitution, that ‘s all

          No, decades of court precedent. Why do you want public schools to teach other people’s children what religion to follow? Why are you against freedom of religion?

          • Chet

            I’m all for freedom of religion, not freedom FROM religion… Prior to the 60’s and the advent of Madelyn Murray O’Hare, the Holy Bible was taught in public schools as was the need to stand every morning to recite the Pledge of Allegiance with hands over hearts. History records no one as being hurt as a result of such. FYI, Islam is now being talked about in public schools, yet, Christianity is forbidden… Are you not aware?

          • Ralph Spoilsport

            I’m all for freedom of religion, not freedom FROM religion

            No, you aren’t. You want public schools to push whatever those school officials want to push. Look up Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy.

            Prior to the 60’s and the advent of Madelyn Murray O’Hare, the Holy Bible was taught in public schools

            And Catholic children were taught that the Protestant bible was the “right” one. Ever hear of the Philadelphia bible riot of the 1840s?

            as was the need to stand every morning to recite the Pledge of Allegiance with hands over hearts.

            The supreme court first ruled that public schools could require everyone to pledge when it was challenged by Jehovah’s Witnesses in Minersville School District v. Gobitis (1940).

            History records no one as being hurt as a result of such.

            After a few Jehovah’s Witnesses churches were burned down, some JWs were beaten, an actual tar & feathering, and one man was castrated, the court reversed itself just 3 years later in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, and now it’s a violation to make it a requirement.

            So no, people WERE hurt.

            And you don’t want religious freedom, you want religious oppression.

    • Bob Johnson

      Why does leadership continually drop and roll over in the face of liberal anti God anti Christ adversity?

      Because it cost the Dover Area School District over one million dollars of taxpayer money.

      • Chet

        How about taking a stand and watch how God Almighty handles the threat. In an absolute worse case, the schools are sued, they close and kids are turned out into the street, or to be so turned out. In no time, people will rise up and the threat will be turned back and life will go on as it formerly was. Why live in constant fear of anti God and anti Christ forces… Christ has overcome the world. Daniel of old could have compromised and obeyed the king’s decree, yet, he opted to trust God and you know how that worked out for him.

  • peanut butter

    You people need to quit… quit giving in to these ‘lunatic fringe’ groups. What do you want from your children??? Then STAND up for it!!!

    • Ralph Spoilsport

      It’s a constitutional violation. You’d have to fight it all the way to the supreme court and hope they reverse longstanding first amendment rulings.

      Why do you WANT government schools to teach other people’s children what religion to follow, anyway? I prefer religious freedom.

      • peanut butter

        The Bible was used as a textbook when schools were first implemented here in our country. The Judeo-Christian religion is what this country was founded on. The first amendment protects the Judeo-Christian religion and the freedom to practice it as one chooses. That is all that it’s for, not the things that the SCOTUS has interpreted it into.

        • Ralph Spoilsport

          The Bible was used as a textbook when schools were first implemented here in our country.

          Back when we had slavery, supported by the bible.

          The Judeo-Christian religion is what this country was founded on.

          Wrong; it was founded on religious freedom. Notice what the constitution says about religion.
          And there is no “Judeo-Christian religion”, that’s at least two different religions.

          The first amendment protects the Judeo-Christian religion and the freedom to practice it as one chooses.

          Not when acting as an agent of the government, as is here with a public school. Public schools are for everyone, not just selfish Christians.

          That is all that it’s for, not the things that the SCOTUS has interpreted it into.

          Then leave this country.

  • nineleven

    someday when an American city is nuked, people are going to wring their hands and cry “why did God allow this happen?”. we can point them to events like this that show “in God we trust” is just an illusion and not grounded in reality. God is not mocked. At some point in time, our rebellion as a nation and our lack of courage to defend the Word of God will reap a stiff penalty.

    • Ralph Spoilsport

      Oh please, stop trying to martyr yourself. Public schools are for everyone, not just selfish Christians like yourself who whine about not controlling everyone else.

  • Steven J Button

    With all due respect, The Constitution is the law of the land. You should be grateful, because the same amendment prevents public schools from displaying religious messages of other religions, or statements about religion or God being a myth. It protects us all, and should not be whined about because you don’t agree with the results of its application here.