Faith Leaders Ask Obama, House Speaker to Renounce Report Equating Religious Freedom With Discrimination

Bible-cross-pdWASHINGTON — A number of faith leaders, including those representing Mormonism, Islam and Christianity, have signed a letter asking Barack Obama, House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate President Pro Tempore Orrin Hatch to publicly renounce a recent report asserting that religious groups “use the pretext of religious doctrines to discriminate.”

The report, “Peaceful Coexistence: Reconciling Nondiscrimination Principles With Civil Liberties,” was written by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, and released on Sept. 8.

“The phrases ‘religious liberty’ and ‘religious freedom’ will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, Christian supremacy or any form of intolerance,” wrote commission Chairman Martin R. Castro in his personal statements included the report.

“[T]]oday, as in the past, religion is being used as both a weapon and a shield by those seeking to deny others equality,” he said. “We now see ‘religious liberty’ arguments sneaking their way back into our political and constitutional discourse (just like the concept of ‘state rights’) in an effort to undermine the rights of some Americans. This generation of Americans must stand up and speak out to ensure that religion never again be twisted to deny others the full promise of America.”

Expressing concern about Castro’s words, nearly 20 organizations have now signed a letter to the aforementioned political leaders to speak out against the chairman’s assertions.

“[W]e call upon each of you to renounce publicly the claim that ‘religious freedom’ and ‘religious liberty’ are ‘code words’ or a ‘pretext’ for various forms of discrimination,” the letter, released on Wednesday. reads. “There should be no place in our government for such a low view of our First Freedom—the first of our civil rights—least of all from a body dedicated to protecting them all.”

It states that it is wrongful for people of faith to denigrated over disagreements about matters of morality.

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“We understand that people of good faith can disagree about the relationship between religious liberty and anti-discrimination laws in our country, and how that relationship should best be structured. These questions have to do with issues critical to the common good such as marriage, the family, contraception, abortion, and the source of human dignity,” the correspondence says.

“At the same time, we are one in demanding that no American citizen or institution be labeled by their government as bigoted because of their religious views, and dismissed from the political life of our nation for holding those views,” it continues. “And yet that is precisely what the Civil Rights Commission report does.”

The letter states that such actions actually chill speech rather than encourage discussion.

“Slandering ideas and arguments with which one disagrees as ‘racism’ or ‘phobia’ not only cheapens the meaning of those words, but can have a chilling effect on healthy debate over, or dissent from, the prevailing orthodoxy,” it states. “Such attacks on dissent have no place in the United States where all religious beliefs, the freedom to express them, and the freedom to live by them are protected by the First Amendment.”

The letter was signed by William Lori of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops; Gérald Caussé, the presiding bishop of the Latter Day Saints; Hamza Yusuf Hanson, president of the Islamic Zaytuna College; Russell Moore of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention; and Leith Anderson, the president of the National Association of Evangelicals, among others.


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  • Amos Moses

    Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
    Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    2Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

    1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

    There is no compromise with evil ……………….

  • TwoRutRoad

    “…we are one in demanding that no American citizen or institution be
    labeled by their government as bigoted because of their religious views…”

    Well, there you have it ladies and gentlemen. They just showed that: “…religion is being used as both a weapon and a shield by those seeking to deny others equality.”

    In this case, mostly a shield.

    • Amos Moses

      a shield against depravity and immorality ….. yep ….

      • TwoRutRoad

        No spin allowed. REPEAT: A shield used by those seeking to deny others equality.

        Anyway, depravity and immorality are gifts from your god, thanks to original sin. God knew Adam would eat the apple, so it was all a set-up. Luckily, we know that Adam and Eve are just characters in a story about a talking snake. Seems real, though, and I can see why people believe it so strongly.

        • Amos Moses

          equality for sin and depravity ………. YUUUUUPPPPPP …………… and the only one spinning is you ….. like a dervish ………

          • TwoRutRoad

            Equality for sin, huh? I accept responsibility for what I do. You, on the other hand, celebrate the death of a man who died for your sins. Where is the morality in that?

          • Amos Moses

            No greater love is there than one man die for another ………….

          • TwoRutRoad

            But his death was not permanent, so he was merely inconvenienced for a few days.

          • Amos Moses

            and it then became temporary for all of us ………..

          • TwoRutRoad

            That was the PURPOSE of his death. The point I made is that he got to walk the earth again after a few days of vacationing in Heaven. Some sacrifice ………..

          • Amos Moses

            actually … He descended into Hell ….. after enduring a beating that lasted for hours …… and then stabbed through the heart while being hung on a cross naked ……… not much of a vacation …………

          • TwoRutRoad

            Not according to Luke 23:42-43.
            Jesus and the thief at crucifixion:

            42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

            43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

          • Amos Moses

            That is true …. but it is not the full story …..

            Ephesians
            4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
            4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
            4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
            4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

            1 Peter
            3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
            3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
            3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

            The prisoners of sin and death are held in Hell ………

          • TwoRutRoad

            Which takes us back to my earlier question: How is it moral to let someone else pay for your crimes?

          • Amos Moses

            the debt we owe is higher than anyone can pay ….. the good news is ….. the debt has already been paid…..

          • TwoRutRoad

            I am asking you again: How is this moral?

          • Amos Moses

            How is it immoral …. you commit a crime …. actually it is multiple crimes …. the court levies a fine … a penalty … the total comes to $1,000,000,000,000……. you can never pay it ….. but a friend of your …. say maybe DJT ….. steps up and says … “Hey, I got this” … how is that immoral ……..

          • TwoRutRoad

            How is it moral…… a priest rapes a child….actually it is several priests and several children…..the church covers it up……they move the priests……to other churches…….where they do it again……..they should go to hell…….but a friend of theirs……..say maybe JC…….steps up and says……”Hey, I got this”…… How is that moral……

          • Amos Moses

            so where is your evidence that “JC got this” ….. those persons will answer for that …. it may not be at a time when you will see it or hear of it ….. but scripture is quite clear as to just how bad that is …. and they have no excuse nor does Christ excuse it just because they “claim” to be christians …….. wolves in wool are not sheep …..

            Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

            Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

            Luke 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

            if that is better …. then how bad is it really going to be for them …. yeah ,,,, JC got this …. and the perpetrators are not going to like it ……….

          • TwoRutRoad

            If that’s what would really happen, I’d feel better knowing there really was justice in the end. But their eventual destination is just like mine. Dead and gone…lights out and that’s all she wrote.

          • Amos Moses

            so what is the problem ….. if that is how you see it … what is the problem …. that is the evolutionary world view …. it is survival of the fittest …. that fits your worldview …. what is your complaint …………

          • TwoRutRoad

            My complaint is that not one religion has ever been shown to be true, yet people demand respect for believing it.

            They try to make the rest of us behave according to their rules. They stifle progress. They get special privileges. They pray rather than do something useful. They reject science, yet they use it every day. They preach hell-fire and damnation to children. They go to war against other religions. It’s irrational. It’s madness.

            That’s my complaint.

          • Amos Moses

            Again … do you believe in evolution ………..

          • TwoRutRoad

            If you’d use a question mark [ ? ] at the end of a direct question, I’d know it’s a question. Being an ellipsist is not a useful trait in a discussion.

          • Amos Moses

            do you believe in evolution ???????????????????????????????????

          • TwoRutRoad

            That’s no better.

          • Amos Moses

            if you believe in evolution you have no complaint …………….

          • ShemSilber

            Give a look at Philippians 2:5-11: He emptied Himself and suffered throughout His life for us. As it was prophesied that He would do, so He did, suffering for us more than any human ever suffered, and without ever committing any sin at all. That is why the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) is the Greatest in the Kingdom of Yahuwah, because He is the Redeemer of all those who choose life in Him. HalleluYAH for all His patience with us sinful, stubborn human beings, omein!

          • TwoRutRoad

            ” …suffering for us more than any human ever suffered…”
            Really? Turn on the news or pick up a newspaper.

          • ShemSilber

            The Master Yahushua did not have to do ANY of that suffering, for He never did anything for which He needed to suffer, but He did it on OUR behalf, suffering for OUR sins and shortcomings, so that we would not have to suffer the second death for our own sins. THAT is the big difference, and that is why we should be grateful to Him for His blood to cover our sins and His resurrection to guarantee us everlasting life. Shame on us if we reject that sacrifice and ridicule it, for that is the evil one Azazel fooling us to give in to his temptation and so join him in the Lake of Fire that was made for the devil and the other demons.

            YOUR CHOICE, which the Master will not take away from you, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          • ShemSilber

            We all need to accept responsibility for our sin, but there is only one way that we can pay for those sins, and that’s by our death in Gei-Hinnom, the Lake of Fire that was made for the devil and his fellow rebels. The Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) came from the heavens in order to take care of that debt for us, so that we don’t have to die for our sins. We accept our responsibility for the sins, ask His help to overcome them, and thank Him for the tremendous price that He paid, such that it will cover the sins of however many billions of humanity ask Him to save them and make new people of them. Then He gives us everlasting life, makes us citizens of the Kingdom of Yahuwah, and we will work with Him to bring about peace on earth and eternal productivity. Without the Master Yahushua having done all that, we would not have that everlasting life. May you also find shalom in Him, omein.

          • TwoRutRoad

            I did not ask Jesus to die for me, and I would fight against such an offer if I could. There is no morality in allowing someone else to pay for your crimes.

          • ShemSilber

            Nevertheless, if we don’t accept the Master Yahushua’s loving offer of the atoning blood given to cover our sins, and His resurrection to guarantee us everlasting life, then we must pay for our own sins by burning to ashes in Gei-Hinnom, the Lake of Fire made for the devil, our deceiver, who feeds us such lies as you and most people now believe (Matthew 25:41).

            The Master Yahushua is the one whom our Father assigned to be our Creator. He gave us this mortal life, forming us in our mothers’ wombs, for the purpose of offering us immortality, and He is the only Door to everlasting life in a new, immortal body. In giving us this body, He also gave us freedom of choice, so that we may either choose to accept His offer of immortality or to die the second death in the Lake of Fire. Our choice.

            He didn’t HAVE to do any of this, but our Father and He CHOSE to make life available for US, in spite of our giving in to the devil’s lies and so commit transgressions of His loving instructions.

            Yours is the choice, and nobody can take away either your choice or the consequences of your choice, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • TwoRutRoad

            “He gave us this mortal life, forming us in our mothers’ wombs, for the purpose of offering us immortality,” Let me see if I understand this…

            1. He gave me life.
            2. He made me as I grew in the womb.
            3. He did this so he could offer to remove my sins and let me live forever in heaven.
            4. He knows everything and is omniscient.
            5. He knew I would not believe.
            6. He made me anyway.
            7. I am doomed because of the way God made me.
            8. This sucks.

          • ShemSilber

            Those are good questions, and the answer still is that He gave you freedom of choice. Your choice is your responsibility, and it’s your own fault if you choose not to believe, not Yahuwah’s. There have been plenty of unbelievers who have done a magnificent turnaround and have been saved, and you could jolly well be one of those.

            Don’t give up so easily, for you, too, could become great in the Kingdom that is coming to this earth, as your Bible says, per Revelation chapters 21 and 22, at the end, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein!

          • TwoRutRoad

            I was raised Catholic. Baptism, confirmation, communion, confession, mass every Sunday and the rest. I tried to believe, but it made no sense. I did not CHOOSE to be an atheist, just like I did not choose to like ketchup but hate raw tomatoes. These things are who I am, and I am who God made me, so he set me up to fail.

            On the other hand, if just ONCE some undeniable proof were presented, I would believe. I would have no choice. But there is zero evidence. None.

          • ShemSilber

            Religion aside, which is riddled anyway with the devil’s lies, there is plenty of proof that there is a Creator, but if you keep your eyes closed, you won’t see it. Can you explain your existence without a Creator? The Almighty Yahuwah did NOT set you up for failure, but you choose to believe the devil’s lie that He did.

            There are TONS of evidence right in front of your beady eyes, but you look right past it and deny it. In any case, you have choice because your Creator gave you the ability to choose. That’s yours to keep, as also reaping the consequences of the choices you make.

            Until we have the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) for a shepherd, we are lost sheep, ready for the wolves to devour us, but with His power, the wolves are driven off. That’s why I left all the churches, because there is where the worst wolves are.

            Blessed are all those whose Shepherd is the Master Yahushua, omein.

        • ComeOnPeople!

          GOD desired a relationship with both Adam and Eve. Relationships always have options. WHY? To show faithfulness. GOD would not force them to remain faithful because LOVE once forced is no longer love. If you are married then you understand because both myself and my husband know there are other options yet we CHOOSE to remain faithful to one another. My husband does not tie me up or keep me from the outside world and I do not do so to him either. The options remain there but we choose not to eat the fruit. It’s the same with GOD’s people. We could corrupt HIS image, disobey HIS loving warnings and eat the fruits of unrighteousness but we choose not to. As to a talking snake, evil spirits can enter anything or anyone who gives them permission to enter. I’m sure you like the rest of the zombies around you sit and watch a box hours on end that talks to you. Guess what it’s that same spirit from the garden only it’s wearing a new dress.

          • TwoRutRoad

            Evil spirits in the T.V.? You should talk to your doctor about this. I’m serious. This is not normal.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            hmmm well let’s see… subliminal messages, rebellion, fornication, witches, magic, vampires, zombies, intoxication, adultery , promiscuity , drug addicts, murder, etc etc… is this all coming from a righteous HOLY Spirit? No it comes from evil spirits working threw wicked men and women. A person who walks in GOD’s Spirit does not entertain themselves with wickedness or take please in the deeds of wicked men. Therefore no I actually have a sound mind and think rather clearly.

          • TwoRutRoad

            I guess those evil spirits are also on these stations: (Be sure to send them all your money so they can buy new jets and mansions, tax free of course.)

            A

            Almavision
            Amazing Facts
            B

            BYUtv
            BYU Television International
            C

            Christian Television Network
            Hillsong Channel
            Community Educational Television
            Cornerstone Television
            D

            Daystar (TV network)
            E

            Enlace
            EWTN
            F

            Faith TV
            The Family Channel (U.S. TV network)
            FamilyNet
            Fe-TV
            G

            GEB America
            GOD TV
            God’s Learning Channel
            H

            Here’s Help Network
            Hope Channel
            I

            INSP (TV network)
            It Is Written
            J

            The Jewish Channel
            Jewish Life Television
            JUCE TV
            K

            Kids & Teens TV
            L

            Life.Church
            Loma Linda Broadcasting Network
            M

            Media ministries of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
            N

            National Jewish Television
            National Religious Broadcasters
            New Evangelization Television
            NRB Network
            P

            Parables TV
            R

            RFD-TV
            S

            SafeTV
            Salvation Army Vision Network
            Sky Angel
            Smile of a Child TV
            T

            TBN Salsa
            Tele Vida Abundante
            Telecare (TV channel)
            The Walk TV
            Three Angels Broadcasting Network
            Total Living Network
            Tri-State Christian Television
            Trinity Broadcasting Network
            Tvida Vision
            U

            Unity Broadcasting Network
            V

            Voice of Prophecy
            W

            The Word Network
            The Worship Network

          • ComeOnPeople!

            hmmm Naw I’ll pass . I save my money for good purposes . Like helping someone truly in need. I don’t agree with any mainstream religion because most of it is corrupt and mixes paganism right along side the things of GOD. So no you go ahead and enjoy devil-vision, unholy-wood and send your money to religion. I’ll continue to help those in need and study the word of GOD and actually live by it’s principles .

    • ComeOnPeople!

      And as it was in the past, so it is in our age. The men & women who practice all manner of depravity and perversions & have departed from their CREATORS design… must try to discredit and thus silence those who hold to a high standard, practice moral conduct and honor the CREATOR, or they will remain troubled in their spirit and haunted by their conscience. For when wicked men see & hear GOD’s people among them , their hearts testify that they are without excuse for their choice to deny their CREATOR and rebel against HIS instructions. They know that if they do not acknowledge Yahweh and turn back to HIS ways they will be turned away from HIS presence at the day of judgement. Therefore they call the men and women of Yahweh wicked and the wicked they call good . They use media to propagate that these horrible people among us are bigots, hate mongers and law breakers & because of these people who follow GOD’s instructions there is no peace in the world. Oh! they cry… how much better our depraved immoral lives would become if only the men & women who keep Yahweh’s instructions were silenced or gone. Then and only then will they be able to practice wickedness without reproof and live with a silences conscience. Sorry STILL HEAR and not going to allow humanity to fall head long into perversions & immorality without a fight. True men and women of GOD are not at all what is spun to the masses. True women and men of GOD, love Yahweh and their fellowman. They speak TRUTH not to harm but to draw the creator back to his CREATOR so that men and women might obtain eternity . Hate says do as you will but love says do what is right that you might live forever with your FATHER in heaven. So yup not going to be silenced even if threatened with prison or death. WHY? Because if I can get just one who has turned away from GOD to turn back and keep HIS ways , it will be worth it all.

      • TwoRutRoad

        “not going to be silenced even if threatened with prison or death.” That’s pretty severe. How extreme are you willing to be? This sounds frighteningly similar to another religion…one that will stop at nothing in the name of their god.

        • ComeOnPeople!

          It’s called freedom of speech. Or is that only allowed to those who agree with the culture? Oh yes I get it, only zombies who cannot think for themselves are allowed the freedom to speak because they always just mimic what they have been fed. Carry on … I will enjoy freedom of speech because it is my own and not words put into my mouth via news, unholywood and devil-vision. I actual read books and study history and the world around me. OH NO an enemy of the state a zealot , shut her down, call her a bigot, a homophobe and a hate monger …. she actually won’t repeat propaganda or follow the pied piper. YES YES I’m an extremist ahaha and what I say is so severe and fighting because I will stop at nothing oh oh oh to funny. NOPE sorry I will simply not be silent. Should I be condemned for my speech in the near future I will speak until there is no more breath in me. Take it however you want and spin it how ever you choose. I’m not afraid to say that killing babies in the womb is murder, that men with men is unnatural and contrary to the CREATORS design, that a boy or girl born as such is still a boy or girl no matter how many hormones they are given or mutilating surgeries they are given, that bathrooms are and have always been places where different genders feel comfortable to release themselves, that via free speech a person can disagrees with new perfected laws and not be labeled a severe, frightening , extremist who will stop at nothing. Some and mirrors and you are one of the zombies.

          • TwoRutRoad

            My bad. I took it to mean action as well as words. You have every right to exercise your freedom of speech. Just don’t start stoning people like your god demands and I’m guessing you won’t get into much trouble.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            For one thing my GOD had a system set up pretty much like Americas and it was not for heathen nations but only for those who were in the land of Israel . Those who chose to serve him because HIS instructions were just. So sorry study up on my GOD as you call HIM. Another thing … not all who serve the CREATOR ascribe to a religion. Some left religion long ago and actually serve HIM simply by studying HIS instructions. TRUE people of GOD would never MURDER because it’s one of the ten commandments . The only time one is allowed to kill is when defending themselves or in Israels case conquest of the land. Study your history most lands were secured via conquest. As to stoning you read history and you will find that the Sanhedrin court very seldom stoned anyone, just as the USA does not put ever offender of their laws in the electric chair. Many many things had to be in place, there had to be two or three witnesses and even then the Sanhedrin did everything possible to keep a offender from this ruling. So sorry all this stuff people come up with to say the CREATOR is unjust is hog wash. And sorry but not everyone belongs to a sect of religion, believe it or not there are many who just serve HIM because HE created everything and because of the hope of one day leaving this corrupted earth.

          • Denise DeChant

            Christians don’t have to follow Old Testament law. I don’t know of any place in the world where Christians practice stoning.

          • TwoRutRoad

            If the laws of God are subject to change, how godly can they be? If god says that you should stone a disobedient child, that law (as awful as it is) should be as eternal as the creator. Correct?

          • Denise DeChant

            No. If you read the New Testament you will see that Christians do not have to obey Jewish Law. Look at Acts 15:1-31, specifically Act 15:23-29. There are many other places throughout the New Testament where this is discussed. I won’t speak for Jewish people, but I notice that stoning isn’t practiced in Israel either. The only places that still stone people are Islamic.

          • ShemSilber

            No, Christians do not have to follow “Jewish” law, because Jewish law departs from the Torah of Almighty Yahuwah. But whoever follows the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) will follow His example (1Peter 2:21-24) in doing and teaching the instructions that He said to follow (Matthew 5:17-20) and that He Himself gave to Moses in what the church fathers chose to call “the Old Testament” (1Corinthians 10:4; Hebrews 11:24-26; John 8:56-58).

            Even Paul, the apostle whom the church claims “did away with the Law,” said, in Romans 2:13, that we are not considered just before the Master if we hear the Torah, but if we do what it says. (The Master saves us first, and then He teaches us to obey His Torah: “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”)

            Those who say the Torah of Moses is cruel and heavy do not understand that it is full of mercy toward all of us sinners, for it is the gift of the Master who saves us from our sins and for everlasting life, who never changes. 1John 5:3 says that loving the Master means keeping the Torah, and it is not “grievous,” but rather we are blessed if we learn to keep it, because He loves those who love His Torah, though we are imperfect at keeping it.

            Therefore some of us have chosen to believe the Scriptures rather than church doctrine, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • TwoRutRoad

            So you are each choosing your own truth. That makes no sense. A thing is true, or it is not.

          • ShemSilber

            Not so. There is no such thing as “my truth” and “your truth” that are different from each other, because, as you said, truth is independent of who believes it. No number of people disbelieving truth can make it a lie, and no lie can be truth, no matter if everybody believes it.

            As the Messiah Yahushua (Jesus) says, per John 10, He is the Door by whom we may have life, and there is no other way. All the rest are thieves and robbers sent by the evil one to deceive us.

            Just because some believe church doctrine does not make it so, and the Master Yahushua will correct all who trust Him who have false doctrine, until all believers are in unison with Him, our Creator, so that we may live in His sight. (Those who do not believe He allows to go their own way, because He gave us each freedom of choice and will not take that away.)

            Blessed are all those who learn to follow the only perfect leader, the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • TwoRutRoad

            I’m glad to see that we can agree that what’s true is true, and what’s false is false. Let’s apply that to the bible, shall we? There are a lot of things in the bible that are scientifically incorrect, and I’m sure you would agree that there is at least ONE error in the bible.

          • ShemSilber

            Yes, “thanks” both to the rabbis and the church fathers for meddling with the Scriptures, there are errors, omissions, and additions to the Bible, in spite of which there is still enough understanding to be gained from, so that I was indeed born-again for over 60 years, from before I was a teenager, and then the Master Yahushua invited me out of the churches and to give up being a Hellenist and to learn to be a Hebrew instead. So I am a recovering Christian, much as some people are recovering alcoholics or recovering drug addicts.

            Those rabbis from the early centuries after the Messiah Yahushua had come removed some text from the Scriptures that would prove to us that Yahushua of Nazereth did come indeed as both the Son of Yahuwah and our Messiah. He came the first time as the Messiah Son of Joseph, the suffering Messiah, and is coming next as Messiah Son of David, the conquering Messiah.

            One place they changed, for example, was Psalm 40:6, which Paul quoted properly in Hebrews 10:5: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body have You prepared for Me,” which was the body that He came in, that was planted in Mary’s womb, and she was still a virgin afterward, for there was no sexual intercourse involved. She was a surrogate by whom the Master entered this world, but not His physical mother. Yahushua is the one who created Adam, and not descended from Adam.

            So the 80% or so of the Bible that is correct is enough for one to learn about and be saved, and the Master Yahushua is taking care now of the other 20% and will clear up all of our misunderstanding of His Word.

            In the meantime, it’s up to us to take advantage of what we DO understand, especially to accept and invite the Master Yahushua to guide us through these Dark Ages and into the immortality that He wants to give us for free, that we could no way earn for ourselves. Then He will add more to our understanding, for, as Psalm 111:10 says, “The fear [that is, proper loving respect] of Yahuwah is the beginning of wisdom. A good understanding have all those who DO His commandments,” in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          • Liberal Elitist

            I respectfully suggest that you might need to adjust your dosage.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I respectfully suggest that should I do so , I would no longer be a free person but a slave. Therefore I here your suggestion but your request is denied.

          • TwoRutRoad

            “It’s called freedom of speech. Or is that only allowed to those who agree with the culture?”

            Apparently it only applies to those who agree with YOUR culture. My posts are being deleted.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You are deleting because you can’t stand the heat.

          • TwoRutRoad

            I’m not deleting. The moderator is deleting my posts because THEY can’t stand the heat!

          • TwoRutRoad

            Even my posts about being deleted are being deleted! Double whammy on me! 😀

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    The West’s problem is they equate skin colors and birth genders with abnormal sexual depravity. The civil rights movement for the colored people was heroic, but it is heinous that the Westerners put the colored people and sexually immoral people together in the same category. It’s all powerful white authorities in the West making the mess. They were never discriminated against and have no idea what they are doing. It is also the white Biblical Christians fighting against the Sodomic immorality’s reign. History repeats. If people reject God’s Truth and bend the clear conscience facing the West’s sexual immorality’s tyranny, everyone becomes a slave to villains again.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Once a person calls abnormal immoral depravity as human marriage or call someone’s gender other than by the birth/biological one, the mental slavery is complete. It’s exalting a naked king by praising how gorgeous his non-existent garment is. The White Christian leaders are fighting against the liberal white slave owners for truth and liberty of colored children this century, all over again.

    • Steven

      White Christian leaders are fighting against the liberal white slave ownersThe West’s problemwhite authorities in the West making the mess
      Are you supposed to be representing Christianity? Aren’t your declarations sowing discord? You make some interesting points, but your tendency towards racial decisiveness is also clearly structured.

      Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

      Not some, many a large amount or a certain geographical location, but ALL.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, we are all sinners, but it’s the West that imposes abnormal immorality with the name of legality as the West worships the rule of the law regardless of the laws’ lawless content. Others who are similar are just West’s mental slaves. The Westerners should fear God. The West does not understand their evil apart from the terms of racism or slavery this century, although imposing immorality is indeed the biggest mental slavery the world has ever known. Facts are supported by the statistics and individual incidents. If today’s white people stop bashing their white Christian ancestors and white Christian forefathers and respect them, much of the world’s racism’s troubles ceases. People really leave each other alone when they honor their own parents. Western public schools blaspheme the one true God and attack the human creators of Europe and America, and that’s why no one respects anyone anymore while forcing immorality upon others. This must get adressed; it’s spiritual as well as a civil problem.

        • Steven

          I would be interested in knowing what ethnicity and culture you are identifying with on a superior basis. Apparently, the western-white society is bad, so I’d like to know what Utopian society you have been blessed to be part of.

          Understand, I’m not questioning your analysis of a sinful nature in secular society, but when you make distinctions of ethnicity and geographical location, you come off as kind of pretentious and arrogant. I’m not sure where to find Biblical scripture that supports that position.

          Can you provide scripture that supports your stance on moral superiority above the white-western Christian?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You misunderstood me. I’m not saying any Non-West is better. In fact, most regions of the Non-West were mere colonies of the Western nations until the middle of the last century and just plain illiterate barbaric before the colonization. Non-West has been always poor and illiterate with a lot of barbaric practices; the Westerners fuss about the past time’s stupid lack of voting rights because the West never knew the real horrors of raw Earthlings, being protected by the civilized Church always.

            Mankind were educated by the Christian West to be civilized, and the young Christian USA helped everyone to make a better tomorrow. Racism and slavery have been normal practices among local men in all of the Non-West until the Christian British and Christian USA abolished those. Steven, the nations that legalized the immoral homosexuality as human marriage are mostly white men’s nations and their faithful followers in Latin America. It’s powerful white men or female “pastors” that bully people so that none can say anything against homosexuality or transgenderism. I watch news, too. It’s not a co-incidence.

            Thank God for the white Christians who battle against this slavery attemps. I’m not sure about the causes of unbelieving white people’s zeal to push Sodomy all over the world this century, except that the love of sin, but bending the truth and people’s clear conscience indeed causes slavery. That’s what we must halt. Secular West is not sorry for enslaving mankind. It’s your responsibility and mine to honor God and evangelize and teach everyone and battle against the slavery. The white people are powerful because everyone mimic them without recognizing it; that alone poses danger. For the Scripture, I think Revelation 9 pictures today’s people.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    The possible reasons the secular West( a former Christendom) is imposing homosexuality and transgenderism upon the people on the society:

    1) Wanting to feel good about oneself by mimicking MLK for a totally different reason
    2) Amusing oneself by bullying the defenseless gentle Evangelical Christian population and see them overcome and suffer
    3) Vengeance against the Christians for bringing racial equality last century
    4) Repeling the Muslim population by making them disgust about the Western culture
    5) Subduing different kinds of people by unifying the same sick immoral way of thinking (Nazi Youth education)
    6) Creating a hostile world( civil unrest) for declaration of complete control of the nation
    7) Hoping for manual population reduction on Planet Earth by ruining other people’s children’s morality
    8) childlessness and therefore irresponsibility regarding planet’s future
    9) Selling of sicker and sicker products
    10) Boredom from having everything
    11) Mental illness from drinking bad water
    12) Outright rebellion against God

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Sodom gets nuked. ( II Peter ch. 3) What’s the use of possessing the entire Planet Earth for the secular West when the home planet is not habitable? Mars doesn’t even have clean breathable air. The West should value other people’s children and stop imposing the destructive immorality and falsehood. Children have rights to normal world and to dream about better future. The Westerners need Christianity to get saved and become humane and civilized.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    The Lord God said:

    “I will punish the world for its evil,
    And the wicked for their iniquity;
    I will halt the arrogance of the proud,
    And will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”
    (Isaiah ch.13)

  • Nidalap

    They’ll probably get a reaction similar to the one Hitler would have had if Jewish groups had asked him to speak out against the propaganda of their day…

  • Liberal Elitist

    The modern-day American fundamentalist Christian’s use of the phrases “religious liberty” and “religious freedom” to justify deliberate discrimination against his fellow man is offensive to the memory of those who have truly suffered persecution for their religious beliefs, some paying the price with their lives.