Publisher Won’t Pull Tullian Tchividijan Book Deal Despite Former Mistress Coming Forward, Calls for Repentance

TullianBilly Graham’s grandson, Tullian Tchividjian, is being to called to step away from all forms of ministry as several women have come forward to tell their side of the story surrounding his affairs, including his former mistress who says that Tchividjian was only forced to resign after their sexual relationship had been caught on the church server.

But despite the revelations, Tchividjian’s publisher, David C. Cook, lead by Cris Doornbos, says that they are committed to publishing his new book, tentatively on the subject of grace.

“Our status with him (Tchividjian) hasn’t changed,” Chief Advancement Officer Tim McDonald recently told the Christian Post. “We’re committed to him and his family as a publisher and will continue to be so.”

PASTORS: “WE IMPLORE TULLIAN TO REPENT OF HIS WICKEDNESS”

Six pastors, a counselors and two female ministry leaders released an open letter on Wednesday expressing grief after reading the stories of three women who have come forward in recent weeks.

“We join with others in expressing our shared grief regarding these latest allegations, as well as our thankfulness for the courageous women who came forward to tell their stories,” the letter began. “We join our prayers together that they will receive the care and support that they need to heal and move forward in their lives.”

The signees state that they had once thought Tchividjian was penitent, but no longer feel that way after hearing the other side of the story.

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“[W]e were encouraged that Tullian seemed committed to walking a path of healing and renewal through repentance under the authority of his church of membership. However, later disclosures, and these most recent allegations, cast grave doubts over the sincerity of this commitment,” the letter outlined.

The pastors, which include Tchividjian counselors Scotty Smith and Paul Tripp—the latter of which had counseled him to divorce—therefore state that Tchividjian should not be in any public ministry and needs to repent and get his life right with both God and man.

“Inasmuch as Tullian Tchividjian has habitually and impenitently used his public platform, his family’s good name, and the name of Christ for his own selfish ends, we believe that he has disqualified himself from any form of public vocational ministry,” they declared.

“For the sake of his eternal soul, we implore Tullian Tchividjian to repent of his wickedness and demonstrate his repentance by submitting himself to the leadership of his church of membership, pursuing forgiveness, healing, and reconciliation with those whom he has sinned against.”

The letter is also signed by Kevin Labby of Willow Creek Presbyterian Church in Winter Springs, who had hired Tchividjian to serve as Director of Ministry Development just two weeks after his divorce. The church fired Tchividjian in March for not telling the whole truth after he suddenly announced—contrary to how he had previously portrayed the matter—that he had already been in an affair before he discovered his wife’s indiscretions, and then had another affair after that.

RACHEL SPEAKS

The second woman, named Rachel, shared her story last week with “Spiritual Sounding Board.” Tchividjian’s relationship with her resulted in his resignation from Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, which he lead following the death of D. James Kennedy. She said she believes Tchividjian has been neither honest about nor repentant of his behavior.

Rachel stated that she felt she had been groomed by Tchividjian a year after she began attending the church with her husband, needing healing in their marriage. Tchividjian, she said, began texting her last year, and found him to be “overly friendly,” sending material at times with sexual overtones. She says that he had texted a number of other women as well.

When Tchividjian discovered that his wife had been allegedly involved in an affair, he turned to Rachel and her husband, even staying at their home.

But after a time, feeling uncomfortable, Rachel tried to distance herself from Tchividjian, but said that “[e]ach time I created distance, Tullian pursued me with more intensity.” She said he “love-bombed” her with “promises of marriage,” and even used “theology, the gospel” to try to influence her when she sought to pull away.

While Tchividjian had only publicly admitted to developing an “inappropriate” relationship with the woman in confiding in her over his wife’s affair, Rachel told a different story, stating that the two had sexual relations for a month until their relationship was caught by the church.

“We were caught by the IT department of CRPC on the second week of June. Tullian received a phone call from a staff member at the church saying that the contents of his phone could be read on the church’s public server,” she explained. “Tullian asked the staff member to delete everything.”

The next thing they knew, elders from the church arrived at both of their homes to address the matter.

“On June 18th, elders came to our mutual homes to address the evidence they found of our sexual relationship,” Rachel recounted. “Tullian was obliged to step down…”

Tullian and Kim (Photo Credit: Facebook)
Tullian and Kim (Photo Credit: Facebook)

But she said that even when Tchividjian was asked to call her in the presence of his wife to “break it off,” he continued to have contact with Rachel, “acting like nothing had happened.”

“I wasn’t going to let him treat me or his wife or his counsel like that,” she said. “I started to see then how much of a manipulator Tullian truly is.”

Rachel says she now no longer has contact with Tchividjian, and is concerned that he will not stop “preying on women or manipulating people to his own ends.” Her husband, who left her, doesn’t want anything to do with God following the matter.

“Tullian speaks a lot about grace for the fallen. And it is true, God promises us beauty for the ashes of our broken and misspent lives. But these beautiful promises are contingent on our full repentance—and this means turning from sin, fleeing from it, and making right where possible,” Rachel said. “Tullian argues that people shouldn’t judge his repentance … How could they know his heart before the Lord? Well, Jesus says, ‘By their fruits you shall know them.'”

The Christian Post reached out to Tchividjian following Rachel’s post, and while he denied some details, such as hiring a private investigator on his wife or counseling Rachel’s husband to divorce, he did not dispute the main aspects of her story.

OTHER WOMEN COME FORWARD

Two other women have also come forward, although anonymously, to share their stories of what happened following this time. Their stories are posted on Nate Sparks’ blog “Sparking Conversation.” They claim that Tchividjian began dating and cohabitating with friend Stacie Phillips just months after his resignation and before filing for divorce from his wife Kim.

One of the women, who uses the alias “Kara,” told Sparks that she struck up a friendship with Tchividjian in the midst of her own divorce and the two texted daily. But after Tchividjian asked her to come to Florida to provide support following his resignation, she learned in July of last year that he had been having an affair with yet another woman—prior to his wife’s alleged affair.

“On July 30, 2015, it was revealed that Tullian Tchividjian had been having an ‘affair’ with Sue (an alias),” Sparks relates. “Kara would later learn that Tullian was also texting and calling Sue regularly for months, even before he learned of Kim’s affair, which at the time he claimed caused him to ‘subsequently [seek] comfort in a friend.’”

“She realized that he had been seeing this woman for some time, and that he had been lying to everyone,” he notes.

But Kara says that she continued to befriend Tchividjian as he communicated with her that he wanted to reconcile with his wife. She told him that he needed to be honest and not continue spinning the story that he had only entered into an inappropriate relationship in response to his wife’s unfaithfulness.

But Kara said she also learned that while Tchividjian wanted to reconcile with his wife, he had been dating Phillips. Tchividjian’s wife called Phillips after learning this, she stated.

“Kim discovered Tullian had been entirely dishonest with her about his relationship with Stacie—the length of time they had been dating, that they were living together, and that he and Stacie had intimate relations on his return to Texas,” Sparks outlined in relaying the stories.

Tullian and Stacie (Photo Credit: Facebook)
Tullian and Stacie (Photo Credit: Facebook)

Kara said that Tchividjian divorced his wife in August 2015 and advised that he would be marrying Phillips. The two married this past August, one year later.

Another woman who came forward, who uses the alias “Lisa,” told Sparks that Tchividjian had likewise begun texting her after his resignation and sent her inappropriate messages.

“In a text message, he explicitly told her that he had been dreaming about her, and he told her it had been a ‘good’ dream. As the conversation continued, it became increasingly clear he wanted her to know the dream had been sexual,” she claims. “A couple of times, he sent her selfies of himself working out. He regularly commented on her looks.”

But the woman, who had defended Tchividjian following his resignation, began to doubt him when his admission came out in March that there had been more than one affair and that he wasn’t just a victim of his wife’s unfaithfulness.

“Broken from the depths of his lies and realizing he was an abuser and not a friend, Lisa and her husband discussed the situation and decided it was best for her to no longer speak to Tullian,” Sparks relayed.

TCHIVIDJIAN’S BOOK DEAL

cook-ii-compressedFollowing the release of the women’s accounts, Kevin Labby, who formerly had hired Tchividjian and then fired him in March, issued a statement expressing grief.

“We are deeply grieved by these latest allegations, and have profound gratitude for the courageous individuals who shared them, as well as those who worked tirelessly to chronicle their stories,” he wrote. “I read their accounts multiple times through tears.”

“We would also like to state in the clearest possible terms that we do not believe that Mr. Tchividjian should be in any form of public or vocational ministry,” Labby added. “Rather, inasmuch as he is truly repentant and in accordance with his membership vows, we would urge him to immediately return to his church of membership, submit to its leadership, and pursue healing and renewal through repentance in the context of his local church to the glory of God and for the good of the broader Church and her witness to the world.”

But despite the revelations, Tchividjian is expected to release a book on grace through publisher David C. Cook. The label has published other well-known leaders such as John McArthur, Charles Stanley and R.C. Sproul, and operates Integrity Music, a major praise and worship record label.

“Our status with him (Tchividjian) hasn’t changed,” Chief Advancement Officer Tim McDonald told the Christian Post. “We’re committed to him and his family as a publisher and will continue to be so.”

As previously reported, Tchividjian recently delivered a message Spring Hills Community Church in Santa Rosa, California, where he declared that God “loves bad and broken people because bad and broken people are all that there are.”

“Jesus being my example is not good news to me, okay? And it shouldn’t be good news to you. He was perfect!” Tchividjian exclaimed. “Jesus being my example further reminds me of how far I have fallen short of God’s glory.”

“[But] this passage show us that sinners are loved by a God who infallibly bends toward us, even while we perpetually bend away from Him,” he said. “He loves bad and broken people because bad and broken people are all that there are. Make not mistake about it: God loves train wrecks because train wrecks are all that there are. He loves us because He loves us. Not because we are good, not because we are clean. He loves us because we are bad and dirty. All of us.”

He has also responded to the blog posts by stating, “As far as things that have been said and written about me (especially recently) some of them are true and some of them are absolutely false. There is nothing I can do about any of it. I cannot correct every falsehood and I cannot go back and right every wrong thing I’ve done or said.”

“As I have previously said both publicly and privately, I am guilty of, and I continue to grieve, some decisions I’ve made, some things I’ve said, and people I’ve hurt throughout my entire life, but specifically in 2014 and 2015. I wish I could go back in time and do those things differently. I can’t,” he also said. “From the bottom of my heart, I am truly sorry for the pain I’ve caused and the hurt I’ve induced and I humbly ask you to please forgive me.”

BACKGROUND

Photo Credit: Jimmy Baikovicius
Photo Credit: Jimmy Baikovicius

As previously reported, Tchividjian took over the pulpit of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in 2009 following the passing of founder D. James Kennedy. However, the selection divided the congregation, as some approved and others disapproved of his leadership. Several months after he accepted the job, Kennedy’s daughter and others began calling for his removal.

When a vote was taken over the matter and it was decided to keep Tchividjian as pastor, some left the church and started their own congregation.

As an author, Tchividjian wrote against what he saw as “spiritual performancism” and legalism in the Church, outlining his beliefs in the hyper-grace book “One Way Love: Inexhaustible Grace for an Exhausted World.”

“The Gospel of Jesus Christ announces that because Jesus won for you, you’re free to lose; because Jesus was strong for you, you’re free to be weak; because Jesus was extraordinary, you’re free to be ordinary; because Jesus succeeded for you, you’re free to fail,” he wrote.

Tchividjian announced in June last year that he had resigned as senior pastor of Coral Ridge after admitting to leadership that he had inappropriately become close to another woman after he discovered that his wife Kim had been having an affair.

“I resigned from my position at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church today due to ongoing marital issues,” he wrote in a statement. “As many of you know, I returned from a trip a few months back and discovered that my wife was having an affair. Heartbroken and devastated, I informed our church leadership and requested a sabbatical to focus exclusively on my marriage and family.”

“As her affair continued, we separated. Sadly and embarrassingly, I subsequently sought comfort in a friend and developed an inappropriate relationship myself,” Tchividjian continued. “Last week I was approached by our church leaders and they asked me about my own affair. I admitted to it and it was decided that the best course of action would be for me to resign.”

The former megachurch leader was then stripped of his ministerial credentials, and soon filed for divorce from his wife. Paul Tripp, a pastor who counseled Tchividjian following his admission, wrote in a public statement that he had concluded that Tchividjian’s marriage was “irreparably broken,” suggesting that he had recommended the divorce.

“Sadly, there are times in this broken world where things that have been damaged by sin don’t get put together again,” he wrote in part. “It has been with sadness that I, along with others, have come slowly and cautiously to the conclusion that his marriage is irreparably broken.”

Less than two weeks after the filing, Willow Creek Presbyterian Church in Winter Springs announced that it had hired Tchividjian to serve as Director of Ministry Development. Some expressed concern over the timing of such a move.

But in March of this year, the church fired Tchividjian as he confessed to another affair, stating that he had actually been in yet another inappropriate relationship before his wife was unfaithful to him. Willow Creek Presbyterian expressed concern that he had only confessed to one affair and had not provided the whole truth.

“The feeling of the elders was that Tullian had a long period of time to share that with the church and for one reason or another he elected not to,” leader Kevin Labby told the Christian Post. “I can’t really comment on what motivated him to not come out with that, but one thing that led him to come out with the confession was the knowledge that there were rumors swirling in Florida where he was previously ministering.”

Labby and Tripp have now called for Tchividjian to stay out of ministry and get his life right with God following the recent release of the above mentioned stories.


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  • Guest254

    Church is not supposed to be as a soap opera. This is not at the least entertaining to see or hear about. But Jesus calls His disciples, it’s not a man appointed calling.

    • http://www.spiritualsoundingboard.com Julie Anne

      It’s not supposed to be a soap opera, but Tullian Tchividjian sure has made it look like one. He is a very public Christian and needs to be called out for his wicked behavior for the sake of Christ.

      • Guest254

        Per scripture, His fellow laborers are to call him out and restore him, not the public. However, his congregation should be made aware only if they can’t get to him.

        My personal opinion is that he is being called out because of his status.

        Are we checking our brother and sisters to the right and left as well or just those in the public eye?

        • http://www.spiritualsoundingboard.com Julie Anne

          If his teaching and behavior affects the public, then this indeed should be exposed publicly. Because of his popularity, it’s even more imperative that this be discussed openly. Furthermore, his “fellow laborers” did call him out but they discovered he had been deceitful which is why the pastor from the church of which he continues to be a member made a public statement saying he should not be in any type of vocational ministry at this time.

          • Guest254

            Per scripture vs. If.

            I’m not for his sin btw.

            And his fellow laborers are to restore him. Don’t leave out that part

        • Amos Moses

          public sins require public rebuke …… BUT ……..

          Pastors Implore Tullian Tchividjian to ‘Repent of His Wickedness’ After Remarriage
          The group says the former pastor “disqualified himself from any form of public vocational ministry.”

          • Guest254

            What’s a public sin?

            Does God not use a person because they commit sin?

            But they hired him?

          • Amos Moses

            A sin openly committed with pride and with no regard for its impact … in such cases … Matthew does not apply ….. public rebuke is appropriate …..

          • Guest254

            I guess people openly witnessed him commit this sin. Anyone who is given into sin, I don’t think they are concerned for it’s impact.

            Who made that law to determine whether or not a public rebuke is appropriate?

            A rebuke is not a scolding. A rebuke is when you state what’s wrong and correct and expound the right way.

            It’s people that sin against themselves daily (one form is masturbation) and it’s just as sin as what this guy apparently committed but because no one can tell on then but themselves it’s not open.

          • Amos Moses

            “Who made that law to determine whether or not a public rebuke is appropriate?”

            Scripture and Christ ……..

          • Guest254

            Which scripture?

          • Amos Moses

            ScriptureS ……… plural ……

            Matthew 2:34 – 39 and Matthew 23:19 – 39 ……… Christ by His example has done this ……….. but also …..

            Proverbs 27:5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love

            1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

            Matthew 16:21 – 23
            16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
            16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
            16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
            The Saviour denounced Peter immediately and publicly for his foolish words. It was important for the other disciples to see immediately that what Peter was suggesting was of the devil! The Saviour acted quickly and publicly because of the serious danger that lay in the attitude that had spoken these words.

            1 Corinthians 5:3 – Paul denounced the notorious offending believer in Corinth, even instructing the elders of that congregation to hand the man over to the devil for the destruction of the flesh. This was a very high level and public censure by the Church. Yet Paul was not even present when he wrote these words. There was no private approach followed by Paul nor did he instruct the elders to take such an approach. Public sin required immediate public action.

            Galatians 2:14 – Paul denounced Peter publicly and immediately for his hypocrisy and folly. Barnabas and others were caught up in this foolishness that was instigated by those who came as the emissaries of the Apostle James. These were ‘high powered’ offenders! Two Apostles were directly or indirectly involved in this sin. Yet although all were within the same Presbytery structure and although Paul recognized the purview of the court of the Apostles and elders (Acts 15:2) in deciding such questions, he immediately and publicly rebukes Peter. Clearly, he does so to prevent the spread of this erroneous practice which was a threat to the very basis of the gospel – though Peter obviously did not see it that way initially.

            2 Chronicles 19:2 – Jehu the prophet sternly and bluntly addresses King Jehoshaphat in a public rebuke of his sinful alliance and fellowship with the wicked King Ahab. There is no private approach, no sparing the feelings and sensibilities of the godly Jehoshaphat. He had done wrong publicly and because he was an influential leader of the people of God, in danger now of leading them deeper into fellowship with apostasy, he must be rebuked openly by God’s man.

          • Guest254

            When Jesus rebuked Peter he was said amongst his disciples not the public.
            Matthew Chap. 23 Jesus was telling the multitude not to follow after hypocrisy.
            Open, does not mean public.
            Paul denounced does say rebuked.

          • Amos Moses

            it was not done in private …. it was before all who were present and it was immediate ……. it is not an issue of salvation and if you want to do it your way that is up to you ….. it would not be sin to do what you want in that regard ……… have fun ………

          • Guest254

            I was private amongst his disciples and not the congregation.
            This is one man not the whole church. If the case of those scriptures you provided were for the entire church, not if one man falls short. I’m not for sin nor for this man’s sin. The article is basically denouncing a ordained minister (if God appointed or called) which that is only something God does. He sinned, but now only thing that is being throwed at him is condemnation.

            Oh and because it the grandson of a famous name, let everyone just hammer him as if he isn’t man as well.

          • Amos Moses

            “The article is basically denouncing a ordained minister (if God appointed or called) which that is only something God does. He sinned, but now only thing that is being throwed at him is condemnation.”

            This has been an ongoing pattern with TT ….. he is more a wolf among the sheep and he is being dealt with on many levels ….

            Tullian Resources Removed
            In light of the recent revelations regarding Tullian Tchividjian and my joining together with other pastors and friends in calling Tullian to repentance, Fighting for the Faith and Pirate Christian Radio have removed all resources that contain teaching or conversations with Mr. Tchividjian.

            In journalism there is a hierarchy of evidence and Primary Source Evidence is at the top of that list. However, when it is demonstrated that a primary source has intentionally provided false information in order to obscure the truth and create a false and misleading narrative, that primary source is no longer credible. Recent revelations have demonstrated that Mr. Tchividjian has done exactly that. Therefore, all posts that could be perceived as ongoing support for Mr. Tchividjian have been removed from this site.

            I can no longer support Tullian Tchividjian. Instead, I consider him to be a very dangerous and self-serving false teacher who has turned the gospel into a license for sin.

            τετέλεσται

            “For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality” – Jude 4
            – Pastor Chris Rosebrough

          • Guest254

            And also as the article states for him to show repentance is by submitting himself to his church of leadership.
            I wonder which bible they use to establish their church.

            This all sounds like the error of man.

          • Amos Moses

            Agreed ….

      • Amos Moses

        Pastors Implore Tullian Tchividjian to ‘Repent of His Wickedness’ After Remarriage
        The group says the former pastor “disqualified himself from any form of public vocational ministry.”

        on Charisma ………..

  • Psychdude1

    God loves broken people. He also loves when His children learn to say no to temptation. Tchividjian is merely recycling behavior that the Apostle Paul condemned in his writing, Romans 6: 15-16 – What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

    • Amos Moses

      AMEN ………….

  • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

    I’m not finished reading these stories yet but the issue I have is when it said “courageous women who came forward to tell their stories,” the letter began. “We join our prayers together that they will receive the care and support that they need to heal and move forward in their lives.” It’s as if these women were raped or forced into a relationship with this man. These women were just as guilty as he was in everything. They weren’t courageous. They committed adultery just like he did. Like I said, I haven’t finished the reading it yet but just read another story almost exactly the same on another minister, Clayton Jennings a couple of days ago. They made the women sound like victims. These women know the Word just like these men do. They know what it says & know what they are doing is wrong. Please don’t make them sound like victims & him sound like a monster. They are equal in their wrongdoing & all need to repent. As a leader, he is held to a higher accountability, but they all are held accountable regardless.

    • Amos Moses

      Preach it sister ………. the apostasy is in full swing …………….

    • Guest254

      I’m glad a woman said this!!!

    • Emmanuel

      We need more women speaking out.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Isn’t there any other photo of Tullian Tchividjian? Selection of photos should be done better.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    No one pulled Amy Grant’s stuff even though she’s an admitted adulteress. The so-called Christian community will be called to answer for tolerating such sin.

    • Emmanuel

      I stopped buying and supporting Amy Grant after her mess. A also stopped listening to Israel after his mess. I’ve also stopped listening to Hillsong after their mess.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        It’s a pity more didn’t follow your suit.

        • Emmanuel

          I understand that they are forgiven by God and they are trying to stay right now. I get it. but their position in ministry is over.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Amy Grant’s daughter gave a recent interview where she stated her mother was pro same sex unions and pro homosexuality and that she couldn’t stand close minded so-called Christians who opposed it.

          • Emmanuel

            That is why I can’t see her having a calling or ministry.

    • http://www.personaltouchmaids.org/ TammyHenson

      I change my radio station when she comes on. I can’t stomach her.

  • Emmanuel

    Thank You God for your amazing grace. Grace is key to our salvation. But, this guy needs to sit in the assembly now and be a great support for the HOLY man/woman of God that is preaching and pastoring.

  • Amos Moses

    Tullian Resources Removed
    In light of the recent revelations regarding Tullian Tchividjian and my joining together with other pastors and friends in calling Tullian to repentance, Fighting for the Faith and Pirate Christian Radio have removed all resources that contain teaching or conversations with Mr. Tchividjian.

    In journalism there is a hierarchy of evidence and Primary Source Evidence is at the top of that list. However, when it is demonstrated that a primary source has intentionally provided false information in order to obscure the truth and create a false and misleading narrative, that primary source is no longer credible. Recent revelations have demonstrated that Mr. Tchividjian has done exactly that. Therefore, all posts that could be perceived as ongoing support for Mr. Tchividjian have been removed from this site.

    I can no longer support Tullian Tchividjian. Instead, I consider him to be a very dangerous and self-serving false teacher who has turned the gospel into a license for sin.

    τετέλεσται

    “For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality” – Jude 4
    – Pastor Chris Rosebrough

    • Guest254

      This happens when you follow man and not Jesus. The Holy Spirit is active in this world. Man and religion refuse the Spirit just as they did Jesus Himself.

      End all question: why did a church hire (that even sounds funny) him when they knew of his past?

      • Amos Moses

        because they are a false church …. because they sought to increase their numbers (noses and nickles) by his celebrity and wanted to profit from his connection to BG …. and other worldly pursuits …. and not, as you have said ….. “This happens when you follow (a) man and not Jesus.” …. you have answered your own question …………..

        • Guest254

          So they are just as guilty but they are pointing fingers.

          But this man has followers whether they be for or against him. Even if you follow him just to bash what he is doing, he can twist scripture and use it to his benefit.

          But none the less these things must needs be to prove the true church

          • Amos Moses

            YUP ………..