Democratic Rep. Files Resolution to Recognize ‘Darwin Day’ on Feb. 12

WASHINGTON – A Democratic lawmaker filed a resolution in the House of Representatives that, if approved, would recognize February 12, 2017, as “Darwin Day” and celebrate the father of evolution’s contributions to science.

House Resolution 44, filed on Wednesday by Democratic Rep. James Himes of Connecticut, seeks to honor Darwin on the 208th anniversary of his birth.

“Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution by the mechanism of natural selection, together with the monumental amount of scientific evidence he compiled to support it, provides humanity with a logical and intellectually compelling explanation for the diversity of life on Earth,” the resolution asserts.

In addition to celebrating Darwin and his legacy, the resolution criticizes biblical creation, claiming it undermines the well-being of the nation’s education systems.

“[T]he teaching of creationism in some public schools compromises the scientific and academic integrity of the United States education systems,” H.R. 44 claims.

Thirteen other Democratic representatives co-sponsored the resolution, which was referred to the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

“Whereas February 12, 2017, is the anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin in 1809 and would be an appropriate date to designate as ‘Darwin Day,’” the resolution says, “Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives—(1) supports the designation of ‘Darwin Day’; and (2) recognizes Charles Darwin as a worthy symbol on which to celebrate the achievements of reason, science, and the advancement of human knowledge.”

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In a statement, Himes praised the notorious naturalist as a “true hero.”

“In our modern political climate, when the very facts and truths revealed by science are under attack, honoring the efforts of scientists, the true heroes of human history, is vitally important,” he said. “By celebrating and commemorating the anniversary of the birth of Charles Darwin, we not only acknowledge his enormous contributions to our better understanding of the origins of life, but send a message that we value education, knowledge and science as our guiding principles.”

On Thursday, the American Humanist Association applauded the pro-Darwin resolution.

“With widespread problems of fake news, climate change denial and anti-vaxxers plaguing American society, now is the time to look to the rationality of Charles Darwin and other scientists who carry on his legacy of curiosity and critical thinking in the pursuit of truth,” said the group’s executive director, Roy Speckhardt. “We urge Congress to support the Darwin Day Resolution to uphold science, reason and innovation, values that we need now more than ever.”

Ken Ham, CEO of Answers in Genesis, says the celebrations of Darwin’s birthday show that evolutionists are increasingly aggressive and intolerant in promoting their “anti-God philosophy.”

“Evolutionary ideas provide the foundation for this worldview because they seemingly allow mankind the ability to explain the existence of life and the universe without God,” Ham wrote in response to a 2015 Charles Darwin Day celebration in Delaware.

“As Christians, we need to be bold in proclaiming the truth of God’s Word to a hurting (groaning, Romans 8:22) world,” he said “This year, on February 12, instead of celebrating Darwin’s anti-God religion, we can take this opportunity to show the world that Darwin’s ideas about our supposed evolutionary origins were wrong, and that God’s Word is true from the very beginning.”


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  • antifasciste

    Science FTW, yay👏👍

  • David Stoneslinger

    What an idiot.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Why is he an idiot?

      • David Stoneslinger

        Who knows? Some people are born stupid, others have to work at it.

    • antifasciste

      Matthew 5: 21-22

      • http://www.gmail.com/ David van Heerden

        Herewith the reference you asked for:

        21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
        22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

        Neither James Himes nor any of his democratic party co-sponsors is a brother: they are of their father the devil, and want to celebrate his lie. They are the ones calling the brothers fools. They are the ones in danger of hell fire.

        • Venomousmma

          the devil is a made up myth by humans … Evolve past your fairytale and you’d see these creatures don’t exist.

    • http://www.gmail.com/ David van Heerden

      Do you mean Charles Darwin, James Himes, or Roy Speckhardt? It seems unfair that you are singling out just one of them.

      • David Stoneslinger

        Sorry, I meant Himes. Darwin was no idiot, but some of his followers are. Darwin did not hate Christianity.

        • Nofun

          Darwin doesn’t have followers.

  • The Skeptical Chymist

    If the government can proclaim a National Day of Prayer, the least they can do is to likewise recognize Darwin through a proclamation of Darwin Day.

    • james blue

      I’m against both. There are far more important things government should be doing.

      • NCOriolesFan

        You don’t have to participate in either.

        • james blue

          No I don’t, but just like I neither need nor want Caesar to call me to payer or affirm my faith I don’t need or want Caesar to make special days for anyone or anything else.

          • Venomousmma

            and there it is… the jealousy and self righteous sense of your own importance. You are not the only human on the planet… If you don’t like it don’t participate. Nobody will call you a heretic and burn you at the stake for not doing so. Seculars are cool that way!

          • james blue

            There is nothing stopping you celebrating your day, be Darwin day or the day of the Bible. Why do you need government to make it a day? Christmas day will be Christmas day if government doesn’t make it a day, the solstice will be the solstice, your birthday will be your birthday.

      • Nofun

        You can do more than one thing at a time you know.

        • james blue

          Didn’t say you couldn’t.

      • The Skeptical Chymist

        Agreed. The only consequence of either proclamation is further stirring of the pot.

        • Nofun

          Yea, the horror of basic scientific theories …a child could get educated and then where would we be.

  • NCOriolesFan

    Happy dumb-down or idiot day – 208 years later. Then again, the dems have been celebrating every day since then.

    • Nofun

      So basic scientific theories with 150+ years of science and evidence behind them is not your thing then?

      • NCOriolesFan

        Science and Religion can co-exist, even compliment each other.

        • xi557xi

          And yet when they do, you call it dumbing down.

        • Tom Haney

          bullshit

      • theot58

        Evolution is NOT science.
        It is a fairy tale for grownup without any valid scientific support.

        Dr John Sanford (Geneticist and inventor of the GeneGun) said :

        “The bottom line is that the primary axiom [of Darwinian/Macro evolution]
        is categorically false,
        you can’t create information with misspellings, not even if you use natural selection.”

        • Nofun

          Ahh Theo the internet’s favorite Evolution hater.

          Sanford is lying to you little fella. Deliberately.

          • theot58

            Ahh NoFun; you are misrepresenting me.
            I am not an evolution hater; I am an evolution skeptic.
            What I hate is the deception which is being perpetrated in the name of evolution.
            What evidence can you put forward to support the key evolutionary assertion that from a primitive cell (eg bacteria) a human brain emerged over “millions of years”?
            LET’S SEE THE EVIDENCE

          • Nofun

            I have seen your nonsense for years in a variety of places. Don’t they all start with the cut and paste:
            “Evolution” is a vague word. The main definitions in the text books are….

            So you want a complete advanced course on Evolution in a blog. OK pay me first. Lots.

            How about you supply some evidence of a god.

            Have you seen a god creating things? No. Then lets stick to rational science you know nothing about.

    • Venomousmma

      Humans have been dumbed down since Christianity was forced upon them . People murdered and science destroyed because Christians didn’t like it. Finally Christianity and all other religious dogma is dying off just like other ancient religions. Humans can finally progress and advance. The only idiots are the ones that still think a guy was born to a virgin mother on December 25th

      • NCOriolesFan

        Christianity isn’t forced on anyone. We can accept or reject it.

        • Nofun

          Its forced on children.

  • Croquet_Player

    Nice to see some legislators still have a grasp of science.

    • Amos Moses

      but they have none on reality ……….

      • Croquet_Player

        If you think evolution isn’t “reality” then you too are welcome to submit your paper debunking it. Good luck.

        • Amos Moses

          the “paper” has been submitted to mankind ….. it is called the bible ….. has yet to be “debunked” …….. have fun with it ……..

          • Croquet_Player

            Fantastic. I encourage you to submit the bible, or indeed any religious text you like, to the scientific community as proof of whatever you have in mind. I will be the first to congratulate you when it proves a more accurate method than the scientific method to determining how things actually work in real life. I really do strongly encourage you to do this.

          • Amos Moses

            it has been submitted …….. you disapprove ……. so what else is new …………

          • Venomousmma

            You seem like a man who has read it cover to cover… good. Then you can account for the fossils and artifacts found for neandethal and homo erectus… How could it be possible that they too had an Eve? The Walls of Jericho… Evidence proves that this city was already destroyed at the time of the story in the bible… can you account for this? How is it Ken Ham claims dinosaurs were on the Ark .. yet fossil records show they died off 17 million years before the first primate came into existence… and humans weren’t even inhabiting the planet for another 10 or 15 million years?

          • Croquet_Player

            Not only do I not disapprove, as I already said, I strongly encourage you to submit the bible, or whatever religious text you like.

          • Amos Moses

            it was submitted to mankind …. feel free to disprove it ….. publish your own paper to refute ….. many have tried for at least a thousand years ….. still here …. colossal FAIL to disprove it …….

          • Croquet_Player

            Feel free to “disprove” science. The door is wide open.

          • Amos Moses

            there is nothing to disprove ……… science exists because God exists …….. try again …..

    • Darren H

      That’s seriously stupid. Declaring “Darwin Day” doesn’t prove any knowledge of science. You’re the shallowest thinker on the web.

      • Croquet_Player

        When you submit your paper successfully debunking evolution, maybe they’ll declare a day in your honor. Go for it.

  • Radix

    Well, this is of earth-shaking importance, for sure. Glad these brilliant law-makers aren’t majoring in minors.

    • Venomousmma

      Glad they aren’t allowing fairytales written by men .. to be the last word… Imagine if we had to continue with stories of talking serpents and the whole fake adam and eve scenario just so men could think they had some imagined power. Neanderthal Eve would be disappointed… so would Homo Erectus Eve. Now they finally can get the credit they deserve for existing too.. and this fake moses and his supposed carved stones with rules can be thrown out of our history for real history

  • Mark Angelo

    Planned Parenthood gives this character a 100 percent approval. The Defenders of Wildlife Fund also gave him a 100 percent approval – hey, he really cares about four-legged animals, but human fetuses can be killed at the mother’s whim.

    Just one more snotty Northeastern left-winger flipping his middle finger at flyover America.

    • Nofun

      Yea, lets ban abortion and get a huge pile of dead and diseased women and girls …. that’s what jesus really wants, amirite?

      You can’t force a women to be pregnant against her will no matter what insane laws you pass or what the voices in your head are telling you …so you can never stop abortion. Your only decision is whether its done safely or not safely.

      Of course many loving Christian fetus worshippers believe women who get dead and diseased from unsafe abortions deserve it.

      Abortion is moral as something in you cannot have equal or superior rights to your body at any stage.

      • Amos Moses

        “You can’t force a women to be pregnant against her will”

        strawman argument ……….
        few if any are “forced” to do anything to get pregnant ….. they do it willingly ………

        • Nofun

          One rarely ever has sex for the express purpose of getting pregnant.

          No woman has sex with the express purpose of getting an abortion.

          The abortion question fairly obviously begins when a woman finds herself pregnant and does not want to be. Whatever happened before that is coulda, woulda, shoulda nonsense.

          • Amos Moses

            “One rarely ever has sex for the express purpose of getting pregnant.”

            the only way to get pregnant is to have sex ……… unless you do it in vitro ….. and it is still a strawman ….. if she “did not want to be” then she should have not done it ……….

          • Nofun

            Not ever one wants to live a dead sexless life like yourself.

            An unwanted pregnancy is a rare event in itself.

            The abortion question starts when a woman find herself pregnant and does not want to be …everything before that is woulda, coulda shoulda and completely irrelevant..

            Unless you are pregnant yourself it also none of your business.

          • Amos Moses

            “Not ever one wants to live a dead sexless life like yourself.”

            pejorative …….. strawman ………. loser …..

            “The abortion question starts when a woman find herself pregnant and does not want to be ”

            NOPE ….. it starts when a person has sex and makes the decision to do so ……….

          • Nofun

            Again no woman has sex just to get an abortion …you do accept this basic reality do you not?

            So you don’t have sex because …abortion?

            Doesn’t make much sense when you say it out loud does it.

          • Amos Moses

            what does not make sense is having sex …… getting pregnant …… and then blame everyone but yourself for your plight …… and then want to kill a child to “fix” it ……..

          • Nofun

            Again you do accept the basic reality that no women has sex to purposely get an abortion? You seem too scared to answer this one.

            Again it a rare event if an unwanted pregnancy occurs ….. contraception can fail and yes people can just make mistakes.

            Such people don’t blame anyone but they themselves and they resolve the issue the way they choose. You don’t get a say.

          • Venomousmma

            Does that include the males who are equally responsible? Not a lot of immaculate conceptions going on these days? You obviously want to claim the women were willing… were the men forced into it to… or are you like a muslim who claims women are just too great of a temptation to overcome.?

      • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

        One good thing about abortion is that it spares the child from being raised by a “mother” who would just as soon murder it rather than have herself inconvenienced.

        • Nofun

          The inconvenience argument blows up in your face as it implies bringing up a child is easy, instead of the hardest thing you will ever do.

          For some its choice, for them and their child, to live permanently in poverty.

          The greater point is you don’t get to decide and you don’t get to judge until you get pregnant fella.

        • Venomousmma

          Yeah or a God who would have all the first born children killed in his name. Or the priests that molest the child…. or the hypocrites who send their children off to bomb other children in other countries…

      • theot58

        We abolished slavery because one person cannot be owned by another.
        But abortion is slavery. It asserts the mother own the child inside her.
        Abortion has has 2 victims: One dead and one wounded

        • Nofun

          Rubbish.

          No one forces a woman to have an abortion she chooses it.

          A fetus is not a person to be owned or not owned….. it is in her body by her permission and that permission can be rescinded at anytime for any reason.

          It simply cannot have rights superior to that of the body’s owner. Also you can’t force a women to be pregnant against her will no matter what the law says.

          • AndyinHawick

            “[the unborn child] simply cannot have rights superior to that of the body’s owner.”

            … whereas the mother has superior rights to the unborn child to the extent that she can kill it? Is that what you are saying?

            Women who choose to have an abortion suffer as a result and for some it becomes a crippling wound that dominates their life. Choosing something does not prevent you from being harmed by it. This is a specious argument.

          • Nofun

            There are no unborn children ..children are born.

            Its a fetus that is part of her body and its there by her permission which can be rescinded at any time for any reason ….because it is her body.

            It wouldn’t even exist except for her body, so in no way can it be regarded as independent or, even worse, have more rights to a woman’s body than she has.

          • AndyinHawick

            A foetus (or even an embryo) is most certainly NOT part of the mother’s body. It lives in a separate enclosure (amniotic sac) and fed through a complex organ (placenta) that acts as an interchange between the two individuals to prevent problems that would be caused by mingling of mismatched bloods but allows exchange of nutrients and waste products.

            The mother’s body sometimes exhibits an immune response to this foreign body inside her and this can result in a miscarriage.

            No one is suggesting that a child has rights superior to the mother and certainly no one suggests that a mother should be killed for the sake of the offspring. Both are human beings and have equal rights. (“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life….”)

            Children have separate genes and are unique beings. Birth is merely a step in the process of life … and a somewhat arbitrary one at that. Children have been born more than a hundred days premature and survived. I have nursed a baby delivered months before her due date. Last time I heard, she was doing well at secondary school.

            From the way you speak, a house renter has more rights than the progeny of two mature adults.

            We have to think very carefully when we pit two ‘rights’ against each other.

    • xi557xi

      That was the faultiest logic I’ve ever seen someone try to cram into a syllogism. Why am I not surprised, given the perspective?

    • Venomousmma

      Your Christian God… in your fairytale… told men to go out and kill first born children. Your stories also tell of a God who killed babies in the womb. Look it up! in your own bible. Christians and people of any of the Abrahamic religions are hypocrites when they use Abortion as mud slinging. Your kind wiped out millions of innocent lives in the name of its God.

  • Nedd Kareiva

    It’s about all the Dummycrats have left, having been fully drummed out of power.

    • Nofun

      There seems to be a NoFun impersonator on this site.

  • Wendell Wilson

    Darwin, and evolution, and science in general are not “anti-God”. The are plenty of vociferous atheists who wish to deny and devalue spirituality but the rigorous pursuit of science and a profound belief in God- however one perceives that- are not incompatible. What is important is that we all try to move forward into a more enlightened role in our perception of the world and our interaction with our fellow man

    • Nofun

      They are incompatible because you can’t think analytically and demand or provide evidence for every contention, then suddenly turn it all off and believe bible stories.

      The thing is though we live with many paradoxes so its possible to pursue both happily.

      But you should never forget they are paradoxes though.

  • http://www.gmail.com/ David van Heerden

    A day for mocking evolution is not necessarily a bad thing. Maybe parents can randomly destroy one of their children’s toys on this day, just so they get into the spirit of Darwin. “Daddy! You broke my toy!” (Whhaaa!) “That’s evolution, kid. I wish you a pitilessly indifferent Darwin day!” This could possibly be the stupidest holy day ever, after “National Taxation Day”.

    • Nofun

      Evolution isn’t out to get you fella.

      • Amos Moses

        so do you have a problem with bullying …………. because that is evolution ………..

        • Nofun

          Creationism is not science …it is not bullying to state that.

          Creationism is also not the biblical creation story as it is just a stack of phony science. No Christian is required to believe a sack of deliberate lies.

          • Amos Moses

            creationism is science ………. there is no objection to bullying in evolution ….. it is part of the “theory” ………….. it is what makes it all work ….. so no whining about its use …….

          • Nofun

            Where in Evolution is there bullying?

            Creationism is not science nor is it the biblical creation belief.

          • Amos Moses

            Domination for the purpose of spreading genes is bullying ………. so there should be no objection …..

          • Nofun

            That is not Evolution.

            What survives best in a changing environment wins out.

            The dinosaurs couldn’t bully their way out of extinction and made way for the far physically weaker mammals.

            You have been told to hate Evolution and you stubbornly refuse to find out about this thing you hate. Man up and read about what it actually is.

          • Amos Moses

            “What survives best in a changing environment wins out.’

            and what survives best are the genes that dominate ….. and that DOMINATION is expressed in procreation by competition ….. and that is bullying ….. and you have no complaint ……

          • Nofun

            Genes don’t bully one another …what a crazy thing to imply.

            They either get passed on in a greater degree or not due to numbers.

            Aren’t we all suppose to one day be on bended knee before Jesus …THAT is bullying.

          • Venomousmma

            You really don’t even understand how evolution and mutations work, do you? You are going to blame a natural process that occurs in all species of life on this planet as bullies? Wow! Put down your bible and go to a museum with actual artifacts and physical evidence of Evolution. The fairytales that were copied from other myths that you are reading have clouded your brain. You may even want to go learn about the other myths to see how your tales in the bible are just cheap copies of other tales. They didn’t even have the decency to be original.

          • http://www.thekillingallotments.wordpress.com Fantastic Dan

            So pine trees bully oak trees in an environment that oak trees aren’t fit for?
            Got it.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I thought it was the oaks bullying the maples…..

            There is trouble in the forest, there is trouble with the trees
            For the maples want more sunlight, and the oaks ignore their pleas.

    • xi557xi

      You’re one sick dude.

      • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

        So you are no able to comprehend the moral implications of your system? Why are liberals unable to grasp satire? Not sufficiently evolved?

        • xi557xi

          Marina Abramovic and The Life of Brian are satire. This guy talking about destroying his kids’ toys is just sick. But you’d probably call him a Xtian.

        • Nofun

          What moral implications? Evolution is a natural process.

          The only moral implication is denying the 150+ years of science and evidence behind evolution.

    • Venomousmma

      You need Holy days? You can’t wrap your head around celebrating humans that broke us free of bonds that were created by men who ruled thousands of years ago.. and made up stories to control humans. Your small mind can’t even comprehend how your religion has done more to hold back true humanity. The bigotry and oppression the religion thrusts on humans was the most “evil” ever done. I hope people like you are under the next big meteor.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Darwin should not be celebrated. Darwinism caused the Nazi Germans to massacre the people whom they deemed to be inferior races or tribes/clans. In any case, nothing is vital important like Christmas Day and Easter, the Resurrection Day, to all mankind. USA should celebrate their white Christian pioneers, the hard-working creators of all superb British colony nations. US soldiers are merely preserving the creation work of white Christian colonists and white Christian pioneers. Those pioneers should be remembered for-ever by all Americans and all the recipients of democracy and freedom.

    • TheKingOfRhye

      You know, a lot of those “Christian pioneers” probably would not be considered Christians nowadays. Jefferson, for one. And I don’t know what you think “Darwinism” is, but it didn’t cause what the Nazis did.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        USA was birthed and raised by the noble Christianity. Americans would have been just another case of illiterate savages if they had no Church. Today’s secular Americans are being bad descendants by forcing homosexuality upon the already-suffering world. Rich people get mental illness from boredom. Darwinism taught the Germans to classify humanity by superior genes and otherwise. If the Germans were Christian-godly like then-Americans, they’d never have submitted to Nazism. People act on teachings and doctrines.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          You don’t even know what ‘secular’ means…..(hint: it’s not a synonym for ‘atheist’) And, no, homosexuality isn’t being ‘forced’ on anyone.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular means godless. You don’t know what your homeland fellows are doing in the world. USA influences everywhere and funds blasphemy, infanticide, and homosexuality( sexual immorality). USA must instead spread the Christian religion for the good of all mankind. That was the reason the nation was created and it promised to do. You need to remember. Democrats force abortion and homosexuality. This news is linked, too. Today’s secular Westerners are not much different from the rest of mankind except in promoting homosexuality and transgenderism, and that’s the core part where religious freedom can survive or not. .

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Just look up some quotes from Thomas Jefferson and tell me how much of a Christian he was…..

            You must have a different definition of “religious freedom” than I do, I guess. What am I saying, of course you do.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            He was educated by Christians. Any great Americans were great only because they learned from the Holy Bible and the Christian British. Americans never really invented thoughts. They all copied from the Holy Bible and the British Christians such as John Locke. Before USA came to be, there was Christian Europe your mother. Acknowledge your Christian ancestors; they were neither baby-killers or pervs like today’s generation.

          • Nofun

            “Americans never really invented thoughts”

            Speaking for ourselves are we?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Americans should be thankful to Christians and to the Christian Britons of yesteryears who invented everything for them. Stuff is nothing comparing to noble thoughts. Proverbs chapter 3. That’s my point. Everyone learned from someone else. You guys don’t get educated on anything really by just looking at the American sky or the American land. Human life is much more than that. Read John chapter 3 to get saved.

          • Venomousmma

            Good grief .. do you know how much was lost.. due to the forced religion? Anyone who didn’t follow that book was murdered, tortured and their works destroys… yeah gee thanks for the losses.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christianity alone is the good and right religion. It is wrong to worship creation works instead of the Creator, but the pagans and Western secularists do it. Illiterate men enslave women and cildren and secularists corrupt everyone. The latter is worse.

          • Venomousmma

            Take your tin foil hat off. Homosexuality is only immorality in your mind because you’ve been brainwashed by a book of fairytales. That book is actually a compilation of other ancient myths that were stolen and rewritten about a new mythical character . There is more evidence that your characters like Moses and Jesus are fake .. yet you follow some fools writings who didn’t even know the sun did not revolve around the earth.

          • the devil’s toe

            Democrats force homosexuality and abortion? That is like saying Christian priests force paedophilia and ignorance

          • Charles

            “”Democrats force homosexuality and abortion? That is like saying Christian priests force pedophilia and ignorance “”

            Correction:

            “”Catholic” priest.. There is no such thing as a “Christian” priest.

        • Nofun

          There is no such thing as superior genes so he had no idea what Evolution was.

          German’s were highly religious and almost all were Christians. Hitler used bible stories to demonise Jews and cast them all as Christ killers.

          “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

          In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Darwinism taught the Germans to treat human life as random and low like animals. That led them to slaughter. The Holy Bible teaches that every human is valuable because he is God’s image-bearer. Hitler would say anything; Germans were educated to quote Christianity to look educated. Hitler killed countless European Christians for refusing to surrender the Jews.

          • Nofun

            Stop lying.

            Preserving human life through life saving science and co-operation between individuals all increase ones survival ability to pass on their genes.

            He wanted the Jews out of Occupied Europe …its like you don’t understand history or science and are thus are wrong about everything.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Only white men’s Christendom produced modern science by seeking objective truth, and all the pioneer scientisits were Christian-minded. Atheists only contributed to polluting the planet and the youth and making up some wild sci-fi works. Non-christian religions and ideologies never value human life equally. Hitler hated the Jews because he was evil. White people gave up all forms of racism seeing what Nazis did to fellow humans. Who could have imagined that the West would oppress Christians for not-endorsing Sodomy only decades later? You guys never learn a lesson from history.

          • Nofun

            Under all that racism and hate there is a kernel of truth …Christianity did sponsor some science … that is the glorious irony is that when analytic thought is turned back on faith and thus demands evidence for its claims, it is found wanting.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            ? Judeo-Christian values alone teach mankind to pursue the objective truth. Take a look at Non-christian West. It has turned into a mere playboy and greedy merchant instead of an honest truth-seeker. You Westerners need the Holy Bible for the truth, morality, honor, and goodness. Your racist ancestors were respected by all, but today’s inclusive West is being despised by many because such inclusiveness forces out morality. One must respect his own parents.

          • Deanjay1961

            The Nazis burned Darwin’s books

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Nazis believed in Darwinism; that’s why they treated everyone as sub-humans. Today’s secularists treat human babies in wombs as sub-humans.

          • Deanjay1961

            When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939

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            Note guideline number 6: Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism H�ckel).

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            US Sodom is following the steps of Nazi Germany by prohibiting people on following the Word of God. They are twins in doing evil this century. One killed the Jews; the other kills the unborns. One demanded to worship a man(Hitler); the other demands people to adhere to homosexuality unconditionally. Both blaspheme.

          • Deanjay1961

            Darwin wasn’t an abortionist, nor did he advocate it, so I don’t see the relevance. He is the originator of the most important theory in biology. What’s the beef with recognizing him? Would you have a problem with there being a day for the person who originated the Germ Theory of Disease?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Darwin taught mankind to see fellow humans as accidental meaningless beings instead of God’s image-bearers. The damage by falsehood is enough. Atheists and Nazi Germany accurately applied his core theory.

          • Nofun

            Again Evolution is the scientific theory on speciation ..nothing more.

            If you and Hitler don’t understand it and use it to make a social policy that is on you and Hitler.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Evolution degrades human life; that’s why all evolutionists kill human babies in wombs. Darwinians cannot value human life, logically.

          • Charles

            Don’t even try to portray Hitler as some “Christian”.. He was nothing of the sort.. He utilized anything he could to further his agenda.. He was a fan of the new age cultist Helena Blavatsky, Eugenics, Freemasonry, Catholic Church (Jesuits in particular). He used it simply to further his agenda….

            Here’s a quote:

            “All the supposed abominations, the skeletons and death’s head, the coffins and the mysteries, are mere bogeys for children. But there is one dangerous element and that is the element I have copied from them. They form a sort of priestly nobility. They have developed and esoteric doctrine more merely formulated, but imparted through the symbols and mysteries in degrees of initiation. The hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say, without bothering the brain by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult, all this has a dangerous element, and the element I have taken over. Don’t you see that our party must be of this character…? An Order, the hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood.”

            -Adolf Hitler
            praising Freemasonry

          • Nofun

            You want a quote war of Hitler praising Christianity and saying his actions are aligned with it. You wouldn’t like the outcome.

            No ones if Hitler was a Christian because he was a nut. What we do know is that he used Christianity to gain power and to justify the holocaust.

          • Charles

            “You want a quote war of Hitler praising Christianity and saying his actions are aligned with it. You wouldn’t like the outcome.”

            Yeah.. Well.. Saying you are aligned with “Christianity” (Which of course it wasn’t, it was the Roman Catholic Church he had ties with). Invading sovereign countries, and executing, and enslaving civilians is hardly love they neighbor is it?

            “No ones if Hitler was a Christian because he was a nut. What we do know is that he used Christianity to gain power and to justify the holocaust.”

            Of course Hitler was a nut and a narcissist. I know he wasn’t a Christian. He dabbled in the occult, and other false religions, as well as a many other Anti-Christian actions. Most of what he did was contrary to Christian Doctrine. God says we will know them by their fruits.. There you have it.

          • Nofun

            Do want a list of Christian atrocities too?

            The Reformation wars killed a third of Europe and lasted 130 years.
            Hint: Its was Catholics against Protestants so you can’t solely blame Catholics.

            1000s of innocent women were tortured and burned to death by the inquisition.

            1.7 Million died in the pointless Crusades

            The Northern Ireland conflict had 3,600 people killed and thousands more injured over a period of 30 years.
            Hint: Its was Catholics against Protestants so you can’t solely blame Catholics

            The Conquest of native peoples of the Americas killed 15 million.

            Here are some particularly nasty ones involving US native people and Protestants:

            Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England’s most esteemed religious leaders, in “1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs ‘to hunt Indians as they do bears’.”

            Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church (“I long to be wading in gore”) had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs’ waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.

            From an eye-witness account: “There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed …

            By the 1860s, “in Hawai’i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands’ native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to ‘the amputation of diseased members of the body’.”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christians rescued billions of humans and lengthened everyone’s longevity. Atheists only killed Christians and human babies and contributed in polluting the planet and youth. Americans are ignorant on atheism’s brutal reign because they never suffered, always living in the cozy Protestant bubbles.

          • Nofun

            You talk utter rubbish and are unworthy to talk too.

            The only bubble around is the one made of your arrogant ego.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s a fact. Westerners including Americans must stop attacking their own only sane conscience, namely the Christian religion. The West has only immorality and abortion and suicide if it has no Christianity.

          • Nofun

            Human morality transcends supernatural nonsense.

            Biblical morality is an interpreted morality which can be interpreted anyway you like, so is morally relative. We also have many laws against many biblical recommendations.

            Secular morality is always going to be superior as you have to be able say, rationally, why something is moral and in what context.

            All morality is decided by groups of human beings even if some think they have special entitled magical authority behind them.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Mankind have no sane wholesome morality apart from the Holy Bible and Christianity. Pagans abuse women and children and minorities and are illiterate. Western secularists impose homosexuality and suicide and mental illness upon the people. All of them massacre the unborn children whom they regard inconvenient. Christianity alone is good and right and values and protects everyone’s life.

          • Charles

            “”Do want a list of Christian atrocities too?

            Sure. You want me to list the deaths that were’t caused by Christianity?

            The Reformation wars killed a third of Europe and lasted 130 years.
            Hint: Its was Catholics against Protestants so you can’t solely blame Catholics.

            1000s of innocent women were tortured and burned to death by the inquisition.””

            The inquisition was instigated and carried out by the Catholics.. You can’t get around this.

            “”The Conquest of native peoples of the Americas killed 15 million.”

            Strange considering there weren’t 15 million of them on the North American Continent at the time. Also (Still terrible) most were actually killed by disease.

            “”Here are some particularly nasty ones involving US native people and Protestants:

            Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England’s most esteemed religious leaders, in “1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large packs of dogs ‘to hunt Indians as they do bears’.”

            Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a former Methodist minister and still elder in the church (“I long to be wading in gore”) had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and children, gunned down despite the chiefs’ waving with a white flag: 400-500 killed.

            From an eye-witness account: “There were some thirty or forty squaws collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were afterwards killed …

            By the 1860s, “in Hawai’i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage that by then had reduced those islands’ native population by 90 percent or more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat equivalent to ‘the amputation of diseased members of the body’.””

            So you have a few stories of people who claim they are Christians, yet they aren’t judging by their fruits? Don’t think so.

          • Nofun

            Whatever occultism he dabbled is trivial to his widely professed Christianity . Here is a tiny sample of Hitler using Christianity as the underpinning of Nazism .. There are 100s more.

            “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.

            In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.

            How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.

            As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice…. And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people…. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
            -Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

            “Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God’s truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.”
            -Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922

            “There are three words which many use without a thought which for us are no catch-phrases: Love, Faith, and Hope…. We are fanatical in our love for our people….

            We have faith that one day Heaven will bring the Germans back into a Reich over which there shall be no Soviet star, no Jewish star of David, but above that Reich there shall be the symbol of German labor – the Swastika. And that will mean that the first of May has truly come.”
            -Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 01 May 1923

            “It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God.” [i.e. holocaust okey dokey by god]
            -Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923

            “It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.”
            -Adolf Hitler, in an article headed “A New Beginning,” 26 Feb. 1925

            “We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls…. We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity… in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.”
            -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv

            “We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk….

            It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection….May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
            -Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as

          • Charles

            “”Whatever occultism he dabbled is trivial to his widely professed Christianity . Here is a tiny sample of Hitler using Christianity as the underpinning of Nazism .. There are 100s more.””

            Kool.. His occult dealings were much more than “Dabbling”… Also, he was involved in the Catholic Church. Not a real Church.

        • Tom Haney

          can’t even read your crap….idiot!

    • xi557xi

      LOL. The N*zis were Christians, don’t forget.

    • Nofun

      Jews were regarded as christ killers.

      Do you want a long list of pro-christian Hitler quotes?

      No one knows if Hitler was a Christian because he was a nut case …we do know that he used Christianity to gain power and legitimise the holocaust.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, Hitler knew that Germans would never give up Christianity. Hitler killed countless Christians as well. Dutch Resistance and then-British and then-Americans were all Christian. At that time, most white people claimed to be Christian. Claiming to be Christian was same as saying, “I’m a civilized person.” Nazis was defeated by Christian USA.

        • Nofun

          None of that matters. He used Christianity and bible stories to justify his power and demonise Jews and bring about the holocaust.

          America has religious freedom entrenched by the separation or church and state …..it isn’t Christian. The Constitution doesn’t even mention Christianity or God except for a colloquial reference to the date.
          Its a nation where a majority are Christian …which is completely different.

          Some of the worse wars ever were Christian against Christian fighting over Christianity ….the Reformation wars alone killed a third of white Europe.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Nazis was opposed by Christian Europe. Anyone can quote anything to justify anything like today’s USA promoting homosexuality. US Sodom resembles Nazi Germany in twisting the Christian teaching and altogether missing the point.

            America is free because it followed Judeo-Christian teaching. Everything else oppresses humanity.

            Reformation was the battle for the truth and the only reason Europe was superior over all the world. Others only fought for territory and money and women but never for the objective truth like Christian Europe did.

          • Nofun

            Hitler demanded Church and education be pushed together in schools and ,even though abortion was already outlawed, he demanded every miscarriage to be investigated by the police.

            America is free because church and state are separate.

            The Reformation wars were wars between Catholics and Protestants. It was characterised by mass rape and murder. Protestant generals had necklaces of priest’s ears.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are a typical wrong Western secularist. Hitler demanded the Germans to worship himself and did everything to silence the churches. Self-worship is the typical of tyrants. America was free only because it granted Biblical Christians freedom. Separation is set up so the government would not force false religious practices; the Founders knew it too well. The Reformation was the unequal kind of battle for the truth and access to the truth in the entire human history. Western Christendom learned to quest after the objective truth only from the Reformers. USA was born out of Protestant Reformation.

          • Nofun

            He never demanded anyone to worship him …. that is a lie …. but that would show that religion is a dangerous of political of oppression. Well done.

            Actually the Reformation were recent history to the founders so they were aware of the infinite danger of mixing religion and Govt. They made damn sure that Christianity would not tear apart the new America by pulling its teeth and keeping it out of govt.

            Can you explain why Christianity, Jesus or God is not in the constitution?

            And why the Declaration clearly states that authority to rule comes from people and not gods?

            A bit odd, hey, for a Christian country.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, he did. What does “hail” mean? Are Americans forced to say, “Hail Obama” everywhere? You secularists shouldn’t use malice in the attempt to topple the good Christianity. Seek the truth like your forefathers did. Religion-haters are the worst tyrants always. Unbelieving Americans are naive and do not know the reality on the planet, being protected by the gentle Prostestant Christianity always. You are wrong. Reformation made the Europeans create the USA to worship God according to His Word and a clear Christian conscience. Nothing else.

            Constitution is mere classroom rules; those don’t contain the purpose of the school’s existence. Americans use Mayflower Compact, Declaration of Independence, the Pledge, monuments, money bills, and national anthems to ask God for blessings and protection. The Declaration declares Americans submit to God alone. Americans believed in free will, and only the Christendom knew of freedom’s existence. No other. America became bad when it ceased to be Christian.

          • Nofun

            Odd Christianity isn’t mentioned in the constitution then isn’t it?

            Can you explain why that is?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Because all other documents and monuments and anthems are full of Christianity. Americans copied stuff from the Christian Britain.

          • Nofun

            That is not why the Christianity isn’t mentioned in the constitution.

            Not being mentioned means America is not a Christian nation.

            Also the Declaration states that he right to rule comes from those ruled, not from a god.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. American founders acknowledged that rights and freedom came only from God. That’s why it’s a birth right. Rules didn’t need to mention a religion because every Americans knew the Ten Commandments, unlike today.

          • Charles

            Wars? You mean the Catholic Churches slaughter of true believers? The Saints as it were? It was never a war, it was a slaughter by Catholics killing the Saints. The Catholic Church isn’t, and never was “Christian”..

          • Nofun

            What makes you a true believer apart from arrogance?

            The Catholic church was the only Christian institution before Luther.

            Protestant generals had necklaces of Catholic priests ears ….sorry Protestants were as barbaric and were the fundamentalists of the day.

            The Reformation wars left a third of white Europe dead …and this was just an internal Christian dispute.

          • Charles

            “What makes you a true believer apart from arrogance?”

            Because I read the Holy Bible. I have been saved. I know what God expects of me and the Brothers and Sisters of Jesus Christ.

            “The Catholic church was the only Christian institution before Luther.”

            Weird?! Whatever did the First Century Christians do? You know a couple of hundred years before the formation of Modern Rome Mark II (AKA The Catholic Church). Give me a break.

            “Protestant generals had necklaces of Catholic priests ears ….sorry Protestants were as barbaric and were the fundamentalists of the day.”
            “The Reformation wars left a third of white Europe dead …and this was just an internal Christian dispute.”

            Again. This was no war, or dispute.. It was a slaughter by the Catholic Church and the numbers aren’t even close.. There is no justification for the hundreds of thousands executed by the Catholic Church simply for wanting to read the Bible on their own. They were as barbaric in their torture of the Saints as anyone.

          • Nofun

            Catholics read bibles and believe they are saved. How are you different again?

            To have a war you need two sides. Protestants did as much mass murder and mass torture as Catholics …they also started it.

            “Lutheranism, from its inception at Wittenberg in 1519, found a ready reception in Germany, as well as in formerly Hussite Bohemia.

            The preaching of Martin Luther and his many followers raised tensions across Europe. In Northern Germany, Luther adopted the stratagem of gaining the support of the local princes in his struggle to take over and re-establish the church along Lutheran lines.

            The Elector of Saxony, the Landgrave of Hesse and other North German princes not only protected Luther from retaliation from the edict of outlawry issued by the Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V, but also used state power to enforce the establishment of Lutheran worship in their lands.
            Church property was seized, and Catholic worship was forbidden in most lands that adopted the Lutheran Reformation.

            The political conflicts thus engendered within the Empire led almost inevitably to war.

            The first large-scale violence was engendered by the more radical of Luther’s followers, who wished to extend wholesale reform of the Church to a similar wholesale reform of society in general.
            This was a step that the princes supporting Luther were not willing to countenance.

            The German Peasants’ War of 1524/1525 was a popular revolt inspired by the teachings of the radical reformers. It consisted of a series of economic as well as religious revolts by peasants, townsfolk and nobles.

            The conflict took place mostly in southern, western and central areas of modern Germany but also affected areas in neighboring modern Switzerland and Austria. At its height, in the spring and summer of 1525, it involved an estimated 300,000 peasant insurgents. Contemporary estimates put the dead at 100,000”

            This anti-Catholic thing you keep pushing just shows how inherently divisive Christianity, and all, religion is.

          • Charles

            “”To have a war you need two sides. Protestants did as much mass murder and mass torture as Catholics …they also started it.””

            Ummm.. No. Rome started it by suppressing the Word of God… MILLIONS of Protestants were killed by Catholics. It’s not even remotely close.

          • Nofun

            Millions of Catholic died too.

            They may have restricted the bible ….but protestants started the war, no matter how justified you think they were.

          • Charles

            “”Millions of Catholic died too.””

            Really? Where exactly did you pull that number out of.

            “”They may have restricted the bible ….but protestants started the war, no matter how justified you think they were.””

            Let’s see. So if you were found with a Bible, the Catholics killed you. If you didn’t conform to Catholic Churches paganism, and heresy you were labeled a “Heretic” and either tortured until you professed allegiance to Rome, or guess what? You were killed. So I’m not sure how Protestants started a war. There was no war, just a slaughter by the Heretical Catholic Church.

          • Nofun

            I have explained to you how Protestants started the war.

            Luther wanted his own franchise.

            You really think no Catholics were killed in the many reformation wars? Really?

            Torturing and killing Catholic priests was a protestant general’s favourite past time. They then hacked off their ears to use as necklaces. Each one tried to out do the other on who had the biggest necklace.

          • Charles

            >>>>I have explained to you how Protestants started the war.

            You’ve done no such thing. Again, the Saints didn’t start the war.

            >>>>Luther wanted his own franchise.

            I’ll ask him when we meet.

            >>>> You really think no Catholics were killed in the many reformation wars? Really?

            I Said no such thing. However, the ratio is somewhere around 5000:1, though I’m pretty sure it’s higher than that.. Fifty Million Saints they executed. That’s a slaughter, not a war

            >>>>> Torturing and killing Catholic priests was a protestant general’s favourite past time. They then hacked off their ears to use as necklaces. Each one tried to out do the other on who had the biggest necklace.

            Once again. You can read yourself how they tortured the Saints. They used the most wicked, cruel, inhumane, and sadistic methods you could imagine.. I suggest Foxes Book of Martyrs.. You’ll find a few ears tied around your neck seems a bit rather tame in the scope of the book.

    • Nofun

      You do know that not all the pioneers were White right?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        If Europeans were not white, what are they? And if Americans were illiterate, who could create a colony or a nation or write letters to British kings and queens?

        • Nofun

          America was, and is, populated by all races.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, but created by Christian whites. If you are white, you are being a bad descendant. If you are colored, get education from someone else other than white liberals to find facts.

          • Nofun

            Stop playing the white victim.

          • Nofun

            Stop playing the white christian victim …it sickening.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA does discriminate against white Christian males; it’s reality. Stop repaying the good with evil. Bad descendants do not inherit the territory.

          • Nofun

            So white European pioneers = good.

            White European anything else = bad.

            Whites are the majority …they aren’t discriminated against at all.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. White Christian pioneers = good and intelligent. Secular Westerners = willfully immoral. White European pioneers’ massive excellent contribution is too overlooked by the liberal whites and their mental slaves today. Those white Christian pioneers mapped out the planet and brought the Bibles and medicine and literacy and technology everywhere, making most humans live longer and happier with rights. Other human species in Bibleless Non-christendom did not have any such idea.

            The Christian whites deserve gratitude. White liberals’ false education should be reversed. You guys are kind of really really ignorant on your own Christian ancestors. I feel sorry for your fathers. Today’s white liberals try to enslave mankind with homosexuality. I think you guys kind of got weird by being well-fed all the time and looking at nudity all the time, but the West has no rights to push immorality upon the world. Sane morality is a human right.

          • Nofun

            You should really learn about actual history …not your literally WHITEwashed supremacist version of it.

            Can you tell us how you are enslaved by homosexuality?
            Can also tell us how being well fed and looking at nudes makes you gay?

            Seems you are deeply in denial about your own innate homosexuality.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. I’m not white. I feel sorry for your normal parents and grandparents and that’s why I write. White liberals demand mankind to bake and serve gay weddings. The nude paintings and statues and movie images in the Western civilization maybe helped the members cling to homosexuality towards the end of the last century, and it spread into the world because the West made it legal. Hungry people do not engage in depravity. Every culture has defects. You secular Westerners are also wrong in treating everyone as homosexual. A lot of humans are normal and serious unlike today’s spoiled generation such as your parents and your grandparents. They were not pervs but noble people.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            White Christian pioneers created all the finest nations that are coveted by mankind and make every resident happy today. Today’s secular Westerners demand immorality willfully. That’s reality. Yes, white Christian conservative males are being discriminated against. Majority can be bullied where liberals take control.

          • David Flynn

            Does that include your own?

          • Nofun

            My own what? I am the whitest man you will ever met.

          • David Flynn

            My apologies, I misread your post. That Grace is a piece of work. Nothing you say is getting through. ” Some people you just can’t reach”.

          • Venomousmma

            Hopefully the next meteor can reach her…. Good grief if any kind of species needs to go extinct …it is her kind. What a waste of oxygen and water and atoms, right there!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            See. You shouldn’t disgrace your own ancestors. Happy is a man whose descendants are not today’s immoral secular Westerners. You guys need Christianity to behave like a human being.

          • Nofun

            You are the world’s worst advertisement for Christianity.

            You are making more realists with your every bigoted and insane word …this Atheist salutes you …never stop.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I don’t advertise anything. Atheists hate Christianity because their deeds are evil. Psalm 14. I want to defend Christian whites because they have bad descendants today. You guys need Christianity to get saved and be good. Also, I do not want to be bullied by any Westerners for not-supporting their homosexuality this century. Mankind must retain the rights to reject abnormal immorality. The crimes by racism last century were bad enough. Non-christian Westerners bully. You guys need some Christian morality to be nice to others.

          • Nofun

            Atheists just accept the reality there is no evidence of any gods.

            They are no better or worse than Christians.

            No one needs to be saved because of some dumb Adam and Eve story.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Atheism = hatred against God. Read Psalm chapter 14. All of communist nations and the current godless USA are the mega proof of atheism’s evil in the entire universe. Americans do not understand Planet Earth’s raw humanity because you’ve been always and only protected by the finest Protestant churches from the beiginning.

    • Venomousmma

      The bible caused the massacre of people who it deemed inferior. Crusades, Inquistions… ever heard of Hypatia? The Catholics who follow the bible supported the Nazis . Those days you want to celebrate like Christmas was stolen after Pagans were massacred .. It was the winter solstice. There was no resurrection ..and it was the spring solstice that was stolen for this fake holiday… so Christians really have no right to lay claims to any of those days… If anything you should be ashamed that innocent people were murdered so that your religion could steal their celebrations.

    • Tom Haney

      who filled you with this bull shit!!! shut up you dumbass

    • Deanjay1961

      They burned Darwin’s books in Berlin.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        They burnt a lot of books and killed Christian Europeans.

        • Deanjay1961

          Yes, they burnt a lot of books. Including books people here are claiming they were guided by. Bigotry against minorities was around long before the idea of evolution through hereditary variation and natural selection was conceived, fantasies of ‘master races’ preceded Darwin’s writings.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Burning books was nothing comparing to burning the Jewish children. Secular nations kill unborn children. The West has no conscience apart from Christianity.

          • Deanjay1961

            The US abortion rate is the lowest since the year of the Roe vs. Wade decision. There are plenty of countries where abortion is illegal that have a higher rate than the USA. Teen pregnancy is down, too. Turns out that the most effective way to prevent abortions is to prevent unwanted pregnancies, but so-called pro-lifers seem almost as opposed to easy access to birth control as they are to abortion.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Pagans do not know that human babies have equal rights with adults. Such knowledge is solely a Christian value. Low rates of infanticide are not good enough. Abortion must be abolished like slavery was, because it is murder. The best and most effective thing is preaching the Gospel and teaching everyone the way of the Lord and chastity. Christians must not be attacked in the West. It’s like a man trying to kill his own conscience. Listen to the Christians when they tell you how to get saved. Repent of your sins. Read John chapter 3 to know how to get saved.

          • Nofun

            There is no value Christianity owns.

            Being in favour of forced pregnancy …which is torture …. is immoral.

            Abolishing abortion does not stop it because no force on earth CAN force a woman to be pregnant against her will. So banning only makes women and girls diseased and dead en masse in unsafe abortions, as history shows. All of which is also immoral.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No man or women should kill a human baby. All babies are innocent. Abortion kill and hurt women more than anything else. The women who cannot keep their stupid boyfriends bestow their fury upon the innocent children by murdering them and it’s been wrong all along.

          • Nofun

            Whose killings babies?

            Psalm 137:9 “Happy shall he be, that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones.”

            My god you are right …its Christians.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It means destruction of demonic minions, not human babies. People must reject the evil when it’s still small – that’s what it means. In fact, Christians always have rescued humans unconditionally throughout ages everywhere on earth. No other group of people do that on earth.

    • Matthew Elisha

      By that logic, we shouldn’t celebrate Christmas, because the bible caused those who followed it “religiously” to kill thousands who didn’t believe as they did and didn’t convert.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You are wrong. Jesus Christ saves everyone who comes to Him; He alone is the Saviour of the world. People killed the Christians who try to read or translate the Holy Bible everywhere on Planet Earth. You secular Westerners are well-fed and bored and immoral and do not know anything including your own history.

  • David Flynn

    Evolution is a threat, only if your god is a book. It’s time to grow up. Your belief in God brings you comfort, but it is really just an illusion.

    • UlaireToldea

      Why do you think that God is an illusion?

      • Nofun

        Lack of any real world evidence ever for any gods. He is a faith construct.

        Don’t confuse your faith, which is as real as any human behavior, with the object of that faith, god, which isn’t real.

        • UlaireToldea

          What do you mean by “real world evidence”? Is that any different from just simple evidence?

          • Nofun

            Well some Christians say bible stories are evidence of a god.

            You also cant just say look around at everything …. as at best, that would be evidence of his creation not him …we actually have rational explanation for nearly everything around us.

            It has to be real world evidence of god the entity ….that should be easy since you are claiming to have a personal relationship with the being.

          • UlaireToldea

            Why do believe I’m a christian? Did I ever say that? However, I will say that your assumption is a correct one. Seeing you want evidence for a God, I’ll give some:

            1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
            2. The universe began to exist.
            Therefore, the universe has a cause.

            From this argument, when can tell that whatever caused the universe must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, personal, and powerful being. This is a basic description of God.

          • Nofun

            1. All criminals sleep on a inner spring mattress.

            2. Therefore criminality is caused by inner spring mattresses.

            Ummm No.

            The universe existing does not require a godly cause especially when we have evidence or the universe existing and none for any gods.

            This is close to the basic intelligent design creator logic.

            1) Things that are complex are designed.
            2) The universe is complex so it must of been designed.
            3) I think the designer is god because ….whatever

            But

            1) Anything creating the universe must as complex as if not more complex than the universe itself.
            2) Things that are complex are designed.
            3) Who designed your god and why aren’t you worshipping him …or his creator…or his creator.

            If he is so big, immaterial, timeless and powerful how do you know your limited mind knows the first thing about him. The last thing a entity like that would be is personal.

            Also why would a being that creates whole universes want one tiny species on one tiny planet to worship him. Kind of needy isn’t he for mega being.

          • UlaireToldea

            What premise in my argument do you believe is false? If both premises are true, then the conclusion follows. Also, what do you believe the cause of the universe is, since you reject my explanation? As for the question of who created God, by definition he must be eternal, which means he had no beginning. If he had no beginning, he does not have a cause. Furthermore, we do not need an explanation for the explanation. Science would be impossible, as this begs and explanation of the explanation for the original explanation, and so on.

          • Nofun

            I accept rational thought and science does not know yet what happened before the Big Bang and is humble enough to say so.

            Your 2 statements are sensible enough but they in no way point to any gods.

            Why couldn’t the cause of the Big Bang be a small temporary event. It only needs a start, than gravity and the other natural forces do the rest of the work.

            We know the universe exists.

            We know there was a Big Bang at the beginning – Edwin Hubble showed us that.

            We know the natural forces of this universe run it and created everything it after the Big Bang.

            There is hardly a role for a god at all, especially for one without a shred of evidence.

            Science sits on other science and ultimately on observations of reality. It doesn’t infinitely regress like a creator god.

            You say thing like “By definition” and “IF he had no beginning” like they are real world observations of your god when they are really just opinions held because they justify bible stories and Christian faith.

          • UlaireToldea

            Okay, so we both agree the universe has a cause. Since space, time and matter had a beginning at the Big Bang, the cause must be spaceless, timeless, and immaterial (as I have said). I think there is definitely a role for god, as the universe could not cause itself. I accept, that we don’t know exactly how the universe exploded out of nothing, as we cannot empirically investigate what happened before the space time and matter had a beginning. However, we can calculate certain criteria he cause must have, which I believe is solid evidence God is behind the creation of the universe. If something is outside of time, time cannot apply to it. Therefore, the being must be eternal. If a being is eternal, it has no beginning or end. We can observe this by the fact that time had a beginning at the Big Bang.

          • Nofun

            The problem is YOU are deciding what parameters a universal creator must have and then YOU say it fits what god is like.

            That isn’t proof of anything because you don’t what the universe or god is like. There is no observation of reality going on.

            Who said it exploded out of nothing?

            Why would a material universe be caused by the immaterial?

            You would have to define what IS space.

            Who says this is the only universe and it does not interact with other universes?

            String theory does away with the idea of material universes per se altogether and deals with 11 dimensional vibrating strings.

            Other related theories include Brane Cosmology where our 3 to 4 dimensions are tied up in bigger dimensions called branes. A Big bang event could be initiated by 2 branes touching one another.

            This idea the universe is tailor made for us is negated by the fact the nearly all of it is lethal to life and especially humans.

            Also it just being wise after the fact. It some universal constant were different we wouldn’t be having this conversation ….. it isn’t so we are. That in no way posits it was created by a god to be like that …it just is.

            Its like saying my last sentence has 16 words …not 15 or 17 so I must of designed it to have 16 words or God did or whatever. Not really. That’s is just being wise after the fact and making up reasons for why it has 16 words now i.e. wise after the fact.

          • UlaireToldea

            Well, I will admit my characteristics of god do come from philosophy and theology. How exactly does string theory get rid of a material universe? I am not a physicist, so my understanding of string is rather limited. In the case of brane cosmology, how do you know this if it can be observed? To answer your questions, we can’t observe something outside of the space time cantinuem of our universe, so it probably is a little careless to assume it came from nothing, but once again nothing can’t be observed outside of our universe. Since it appears material had a beginning or from what we can observe, it seems to follow that the cause could be immaterial. There a lot of assumptions that have to made in pre-Big Bang cosmology, so everything we’re discussing is definitely subject to change as we continue to learn more from cosmology. I don’t know why you keep bashing the teleological argument, as I have not mentioned that once. In light of what we currently know quite well, my argument still appears to stand in my view.

          • Nofun

            With string theory everything down to the sub atomic is a vibrating string in a 11 dimensional space. The universe we perceive is 3 +1 dimensional space.

            Looking for the start of a 3 +1 dimensional space maybe irrelevant if there are larger and smaller dimensions. The ructions of higher dimensions, as with Brane theory, may account for the start of 3 +1 dimensional space but its not the start of the higher dimensions.

            Seen as a 11 dimensional whole, ‘Everything’ maybe eternal with no start or end. Even questions involving the words start and end maybe irrelevant.

      • David Flynn

        Maybe I could have chosen my words more carefully, and instead belief in a god is a figment of the imagination. I purposely used small case “g” as we have yet to define what god we’re talking about. The fact of the matter there has never been any proof for the claims proposed for anybody’s god throughout history. As to what would constitute proof, I’ll take whatever you got. But please don’t come back with the same tired old arguments i.e. creation reguies a creator, etc. Faith is a non-starter as well. Good talking to you.

        • UlaireToldea

          I don’t if you’d consider this one of those tired old arguments, but I’ll give it anyway.

          1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
          2. The universe began to exist.
          Therefore, the universe has a cause.

          We can reasonably conclude from this that the cause of the universe must be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, powerful, and personal. These are all attributes that a theistic god has. Therefore, I think that it is reasonable to conclude that god is good explanation for the cause of the universe.

          • Nofun

            Lets nor purposely confuse the word “cause” with the word “create”. They are not interchangeable.

          • David Flynn

            If you’re are going to employ the Cosmological argument for the existence of a god, you can’t escape the infinite regression of what caused the cause. If you claim this god doesn’t need a cause, then neither does the universe. I don’t know how you can reasonably conclude that this god is timeless, spaceless (whatever that means) and immaterial and still manages to operate within time, space and matter and not leave a trace.

  • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

    We need to abolish public schools and strip the Left of their power to indoctrinate our children into atheism, but I’ll not hold my breath until we have sanity in government.
    God’s word has already indicted this individual: “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men [Lit. children of Adam], to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.” (Psalm 14:1-3 KJV)

    • xi557xi

      Actually, we need to keep bible thumpers out of the conversation, but I’ll not hold my breath for that either. They are tenacious like termites when it comes to defying logic and reason.

      • http://HisPlaceDanville.com Stephen Anderson

        Ya. Christians are some 80% of the population and this is a Christian website, but we must not let Christians speak.
        Which raises the question: Why are you here?
        BTW, how does logic and reason fit into a system that believes in spontaneous generation and exceedingly complex and finely tuned systems existing without a Creator?

        • xi557xi

          Right-wing creationist fundie Christians are a small and impassioned minority, not an 80% majority. Their ideas are fit for pamphlets and blogs, not for legislation.

          There’s nothing illogical or unreasonable about genetic mutations or complexity, when you consider the largesse of the universe.

        • Nofun

          Evolution is nothing to do with spontaneous generation and the
          “fine tuned” evidence thing is just being wise after the fact.

          99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the universe is lethal to life, especially human life.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact, it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’ This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it’s still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything’s going to be all right, because this World was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.”

            Douglas Adams (RIP)

        • tatoo

          I know a lot of Christians and they Re not like you. Oh, right, they can’t be true Christians because they aren’t like you. So, what percentage are true Christians like you?

        • Venomousmma

          Nobody is saying there wasn’t some form of a creator.. but it wasn’t the “CREATOR” described in your christian texts. The whole Adam and Eve story is a myth.. as it has been proven there were male and female of every species on this planet long including Homo Sapien, Neanderthal and Homo Erectus. Stop claiming women came from some rib .. The myth is dead.

      • Robert

        Obama never ruled reasonably in fact he went against the natural order and promoted homosexual agendas. And the murder of infants in their Mothers womb. He was favoring Muslims when his country had far more christians in it
        He race baited and drove out jobs so people became more impoverished . A person could go on and on.

        • xi557xi

          A low-information loony-toon could go on and on, but a person couldn’t.

          • concerned

            It looks like you’re trying , though.

          • xi557xi

            Trying to be a person among right-wing fundie Christians can be ‘trying’.

        • Nofun

          So Obama invented respect for gay people, and abortion, and tried to impoverish us by recovering the economy from the Republican GFC and 2 unfunded wars and dropping unemployment to 5%.

        • Venomousmma

          You know that your God of your fairytale bible killed babies in the womb too, right? The old geezers that wrote that book put in lots of child murdering stories. You are nothing but a bigot trying to use a fairytale to control the rest of the population. Your time is over… You hinder humanity and human progress. Be gone!

    • David Flynn

      “A fool hath said in his heart there is no god, but the wise will shout from the mountain top. “

      • Nofun

        Yes, the bible saying believe the bible or else.

        Circular thinking buddy.

    • Venomousmma

      What we really need to abolish is people like you that would hinder that progress of a critical thinking child. Hold back humanity because you would rather believe the words written in a text by old men who didn’t even know that the sun didn’t revolve around the earth. We had enough years of human progress and the rights of women, children and minorities trampled on because of brainwashing based on myths that were plagiarized from older religious myths. Science has proven that there was no adam and eve.. Crack open some real books.

      • John Detwiler

        Both mitochondrial DNA evidence as well as Y chromosome DNA contain far far less diversity than evolution predicted. They actually fit well with a young earth view. Evolutionists have there own version of “Mitochondrial Eve” but they use theoretical mutation rates based on divergence from chimp like ancestors instead of measured mutation rates. According to the Bible, all life was wiped out in a flood except 1 male and his 3 sons, and 4 presumably unrelated females, 3 of whom would have passed down their mtDNA. This should mean that Mitochondrial Eve’s DNA would be more mutated and appear older than X-chromosome Adam. This also appears to be the case. I would be interested in what books you cracked open when you made your claim because I find genetics quite a fascinating subject.

        • Marc Morgan

          False.

          • Nofun

            Very.

        • Nofun

          Absolutely false. Show us a a scientific paper that say Mitochondrial DNA was expected to as diverse as common DNA. Good luck with that as there is none.

          If the silly Noah story was true then wouldn’t all DNA mutate at roughly the same rate. The reality is doesn’t actually proves the Noah story impossible.

          What it does show that Mitochondria itself might have been a separate organism that came to co-operated with other organellles to power the first cells.

  • Emmanuel

    I want another day off. Three day weekends are the best. Darwin is famous for being a birder, bird watcher.

  • xi557xi

    Why are right-wing Xtian fundies so afraid of logic and reason? Because it leaves them with the cold realization that their holy book is a 3500-year-old novel?

  • theot58

    Darwin did not contribute anything to science.

    Others took his theory of natural selection and turned it into the religion of evolution.

    The evolution battle is often MISrepresented as science against religion – this is baloney!

    The real battle is between good science and Darwinism.

    When Darwinian/Macro evolution is scrutinised using the scientific method, it crumbles.

    The scientific method demands: observation, measurement, repeatability. Darwinian/Macro evolution has none of these, all it has is circumstantial evidence which is open to interpretation. Ask yourself: What evidence is there that our great …. Great grandfather was a self replicating molecule?

    If we cut through the linguistic trickery evolutionists use to confuse and intimidate the masses.

    Darwinian/Macro evolution can be stated simply as the following equation:

    Simple beginning (e.g. 1 primitive cell = no brain, no nervous system, etc.)
    + lots of time
    + lots natural selection
    + many mutations
    + natural forces (rain, wind, gravity etc.)
    =============
    extremely complex organism
    (e.g. human, brain, blood circulatory system)

    Has this been observed? – NO (Even Richard Dawkins agrees with this)

    Is it plausible? -Not really ; There is no proof that it is.

    Does it need a lot of faith to believe this? – Certainly does

    So why do we teach it as a scientific fact?

    • Croquet_Player

      “So why do we teach it as a scientific fact?” Because it is. I love it when people attempt to debunk evolution in a comments section. You’ve got the answers? Great, but why post here? Write up your paper and submit it for peer-review and publication. Collect your Nobel Prize. To date, a grand total of zero evolution deniers have been able to accomplish that. That’s a failure rate of 100%. But hey, today could be your lucky day.

      • theot58

        “”So why do we teach it as a scientific fact?” Because it is”

        How do you know “Because it is”?

        Are making it as a statement of dogmatic faith or do have actual evidence?

        Malcom Muggeridge

        Pascal Lectures, Ontario Canada, University of Waterloo said:

        “I, myself,
        am convinced that the theory of evolution,
        especially to the extent to which it’s been applied,
        will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future.

        Posterity will marvel
        that so flimsy and dubious a hypothesis
        could be accepted with the credulity that it has.”

        • Croquet_Player

          I’m actually a bit of a fan of old Malcom. Thanks to you for mentioning him. However, as Malcom, or you, could have done, or could do, please submit your evidence. Science is an entirely open field. Among its great merits are that there is no requirement to have a degree. If a fourteen year old kid from Oklahoma came up with a way to beat the viruses that cause the common cold, and published their results, this would be fascinating (and ground-breaking). And of course, because of how science works, a whole bunch of scientists would go straight back to the lab to see if they could reproduce the same results. They would find the following: a) This kid is mistaken, the methods simply don’t work. Nice try kid, back to the drawing board. b) The methods do work, but only under certain limited circumstances, and this deserves a lot more study, and congratulations to the kid for making a small step forward in beating the common cold. c) Eureka! It works! No more colds for anyone!

          Evolution is the same. Anyone who doubts evolution is entirely welcome to submit their evidence to the contrary. Go for it! To date, nothing has been produced. If you don’t believe in evolution from a religious standpoint, that’s entirely your prerogative. People may believe whatever they like. But if we’re talking about science, then just submit your findings and debunk it. I’ll be the first to congratulate you for coming up with some revolutionary new thing.

        • Venomousmma

          No the stories of talking snakes and virgin births and bushes that talk are the greatest pranks in human history. The first guy to turn water into wine was Dionysus… and the Jesus prank was copied directly from that myth… so Good on you Christians… your April fools joke went on for 2000 years.

    • Nofun

      Theory is the highest level of scientific certitude.

      Scientific theories don’t grow to be facts. Facts are the evidence that theories explain.

      • theot58

        You are playing with words.

        The question is:
        1) Is it true that a primitive cell became a human over “millions” of years due to the application of natural forces alone?

        2) If your answer is “Yes” – What evidence do you have to support your answer?

        The evidence in text books etc is woefully inadequate to conclude that item 1) is true.

        Dr John Sanford (Geneticist and inventor of the GeneGun) said :

        “The bottom line is that the primary axiom [of Darwinian/Macro evolution] is categorically false,

        you can’t create information with misspellings, not even if you use natural selection.”

        • Nofun

          1) No. There is no goal in Evolution. Run time back again and humans may not evolve appear at all.

          2) We have direct fossil lines for some species all of which go from the simple to the more complex. The Miller Urey experiment showed that more than the required number of amino acids needed to create the proteins in the first cell form naturally.

          Science does not yet know exactly how the first cells formed and has the humility to say so. But it is well within its powers to eventually do so.

          Sanford is a young earth creationist and crackpot. How about the 1000s of other Geneticists that say otherwise.

          Information can be created in number of ways: some genes can copy themselves onto other Chromosomes all buy themselves…entire Chromosomes can be copied making 1000s of gene available for mutation.

          Sanford knows this but lies to you anyway. All creationists are liars and frauds …. there every claim is a blatant lie.

        • Venomousmma

          You really are having difficulty with this. Okay lets forego .. the whole one celled organisms… Lets move on to the actual fossils of primitive humans… You can see and touch and examine. Homo Erectus, Neanderthal… all had female of the species… Blows that whole claim of Eve right out of the water, doesn’t it? You can have a creator of the Universe.. and it doesn’t mean they created this tiny speck floating around in the Universe… nor the inhabitants of tiny speck. Nor did this creator… ever mandate to the one species on tiny speck to follow rules and worship said creator… this was completely a human made story that was derived from compilations of older human myths. So really… who has the worst theories?

    • TheKingOfRhye

      “Has this been observed? – NO (Even Richard Dawkins agrees with this)”

      Has God creating the universe been observed? No.

      “Is it plausible? -Not really ; There is no proof that it is.”

      It seems pretty plausible to me, actually. Why isn’t it plausible? Why does it require faith to believe? Don’t just assert those things, tell us why.

      And, remember…..all macro-evolution really is is a whole lot of micro-evolution. If you are one of those people who believes in micro-evolution but refuses to believe in macro-evolution, then tell me….what is it that prevents micro- from turning into macro?

      • theot58

        A bacteria becoming a human over “millions of years” in totally implausible because the design information needed to build a human brain is mindblowing.
        We observe things degrading over time. My garden, my car, my body all degrade and die. They do not get better if left to natural forces.
        But Evolution asserts the opposite. Evolution asserts that things get better, more complex over time. THIS IS PURE IMAGINATION.
        Consider a complex system like a chicken. How could a bacteria “evolve” into a chicken. Did the ability to lay an egg come before or after the Chicken was formed?
        The slow and gradual evolution that Darwin described is nothing but a fairy tale.

        • Nofun

          Brains like eyes evolve from simpler versions.

          Evolution does not say things get better.

          Things don’t evolve into other predefined forms ….. this is where you are going wrong.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          Nofun is right….also, you’re getting the 2nd law of thermodynamics wrong. It says that the entropy of an isolated system does not decrease, NOT that “all things degrade over time” or however you put it. The 2nd Law doesn’t apply to evolution, because living organisms, or even the planet Earth, are not isolated systems.

          • Nofun

            Exactly.

  • concerned

    Until James Hines can prove that God did not create the heavens and the earth, we shouldn’t honor Darwin’s theory.

    • xi557xi

      Until you can prove that ‘He’ did, we’ll just go ahead and celebrate Darwin. How about that? 🙂

  • ZappaSaid88

    Evolution is not atheistic or anti-God. It is a scientific theory that explains the observations we see in nature. Many Christian sects (as well as sects of other religions) accept evolution.

  • Gary Whiteman

    Darwin observed that animals who are sick or weak died quickly and did not reproduce, and that this was a good thing. He believed that humans were wrong to try to help the sick or weak survive. There’s a direct line from Darwin to Hitler and Margaret Sanger, as both considered themselves to be grounded in science. They saw it as a good thing to keep the “inferiors” from reproducing (Sanger) or to simply exterminate the “inferiors” (Hitler). Karl Marx was a huge fan of Darwin. The harm done to human beings by the devotees of Darwin is too huge to even measure.

    • Nofun

      He said no such thing. I thought Christians were against lying and bearing false witness.

      He said that living things that fitted the environment better had a better chance of passing on their genes.

      There is no such thing as “inferior” in evolution.

      • Gary Whiteman

        I know Darwin’s writings much better than you do.

        From The Descent of Man:
        “With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated, and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of everyone to the last moment. . . . Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. . . At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races.”

        Straight line from Darwin to the Nazis and Communists. They believed in exterminating their inferiors.

        You lost. Goodbye.

        • Nofun

          What he is intending to show you here is that by subverting the raw forces of the environment we are cheating Natural selection and taking over our own Evolution.

          Whether that is good or bad is an opinion.

          None of this changes the science and the evidence one little bit.

          When did Communists want to eliminate the inferior?

          Did Nazis not attend their wounded.

          Your mind is closed and full of hate …jesus is making you very unhappy … try reality instead …..it provides everything religion pretend to and its real too. Amen.

          • Gary Whiteman

            If you wish to honor a white supremacist whose beliefs led to untold suffering in the past century, that’s your right. Progressives are so incredibly ignorant and stupid that they actually want to dedicate a holiday to such a person. They obviously know nothing at all about his writings or the influence they had on the genocides of the past century. I favor compassion, not extermination of human beings.

          • Nofun

            Science does not recommend any social convention be followed.

            It isn’t a morality.

            Christianity claims to be a morality but is responsible for more wars and loss of life than any other religion or political “-ism”.

          • Gary Whiteman

            Go put on your hood and robe, maybe you can lynch some of those “savages” that Darwin believed should be exterminated.

            Wear your swastika too.

          • Nofun

            Regardless of your histrionics Evolution is here to stay ….it has 150+ years of science and evidence behind it and you will never be able to pray, lie or hate it away.

          • Gary Whiteman

            I just quoted your hero Darwin. He was a white supremacist who wanted to exterminate the dark-skinned peoples. He was a hero to Hitler and Marx.

            If you choose to admire a white supremacist, that’s your choice.

          • Nofun

            So what you are saying is that anything a white supremacist believes must be false.

            “”We don’t hate people because of their race. We are a Christian organization,” Frank Ancona, the imperial wizard of the Traditional American Knights of the KKK, told NBC 12, distancing himself from the Klan’s violent history, asserting that he is seeking to “set the record straight.”

            In fact you can’t join the KKK unless you are white and Christian.

            Hmmm seems we have white supremacists who want to exterminate dark-skinned peoples who believe in Christianity. Thereby by your logic Christianity is evil and/or can’t be true?

            Evolution is the scientific theory of speciation ….that’s it. Its not a social, religious or a political theory. The science stands regardless of anyone’s opinions or beliefs.

          • Nofun

            The very next sentence after your cherry picked quote is:

            “The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature

            The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil”.

            Seems you are bearing false witness toward Darwin, hey.

            Darwin also pointed out that all races of humans arose from the same progenitor.

            “Now when naturalists observe a close agreement in numerous small details of habits, tastes, and dispositions between two or more domestic races, or between nearly-allied natural forms, they use this fact as an argument that they are descended from a common progenitor who was thus endowed; and consequently that all should be classed under the same species. The same argument may be applied with much force to the races of man.” (Descent, 179)

            Thus the idea that humanity consisting of higher and lower races was precisely what he set out to refute in “The Descent of Man”.

            Darwin was a product of his times. Those times being, during the reign of American slavery and institution fully supported by scripture and most christian people.

            Unlike most people at the time, Darwin was a fierce opponent of the institution of slavery and the cruelty that came with it.

            Trying to personally tear down Darwin personally is kind of pathetic as it has no effect on the validity of his science.

          • Craig Ewoldt

            Yeah, it is clear that Darwin did not like the logical consequences of the theory he proposed. That makes him intellectually schizophrenic, doesn’t it? That is like lots of contemporary evolutionists, who illegitimately borrow the Christian values they want even when they conflict with their pseudo-scientific construct.

          • Nofun

            Christians didn’t invent any values and thus don’t own any.

            Again Evolution is the theory of speciation …nothing more.

            Do you freak over Atomic theory …its says we are just a bunch atoms which for some reason must means we should disrespect everyone.

            Again you attack Darwin personally thinking that will invalidate a scientific theory that has 150+ years of science and evidence behind it.

          • Craig Ewoldt

            Evolution has 150 years of fraud and story telling. The best evidence of creation is creation itself–the incredible complexity of information based life and the fine tuning of the universe for life and observation.

          • Nofun

            Odd how whole parts of Biology are based on it then …including my work.

            Its also odd that no evidence has yet emerged that invalidates it.

            Fine tuning is just being wise after the fact and 99.9999999999999999999999999% of the universe is lethal to humans.

            Complexity arises from simpler forms.

            You need to front up with evidence of your god the entity …not his supposed works as we have rational real world explanations backed by evidence to explain all that

            You are having a personal relationship with god the entity so evidence should be thick on the ground …where is it?

          • Venomousmma

            You do realize the KKK was christian, right? Idiot

          • Craig Ewoldt

            I think you are talking about Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Mao when you are talking about the greatest loss of lives. Christians? I also think you also confuse those who are followers of Christ with those who claim to be Christians to legitimize their evil

          • Deanjay1961

            Darwin was an abolitionist.

        • Tom Haney

          your are a fucktard…..go screw yourself

        • Deanjay1961

          I dare you to quote the next paragraph.

        • Michael Adams

          The sad thing is most of Darwin’s proponents have never read Darwin.

    • Venomousmma

      You are a sick and twisted as you bible making up stories to try and defend your beliefs. You couldn’t back that claim up anywhere. You have no evidence and no citations. Making up fake conspiracy stories .. just show people the desperate lengths christians will go to.. to keep their power and forcefeed lies to children.

    • Tom Haney

      asshat!

    • Deanjay1961

      He didn’t believe in letting the sick die and was explicit about that.

    • theot58

      Gary you are so right.

      Evolution is not only dumb IT IS DANGEROUS.

      The consequences of teaching Darwinina/Macro evolution as a scientific fact are subtle but very destructive.

      The core assertion of Darwinian/Macro evolution, that from simple and chaotic beginnings all life-forms emerged by an unguided, purposeless process, is NOT harmless. The inescapable inference is that since we emerged from a random, unguided, purposeless process, then we are purposeless and of no inherent value. This has a subtle but very negative impact on the self esteem of students and is contributing to low self esteem, depression, nihilism, etc.

      If the scientific evidence for macro evolution was genuinely strong; I would not complain. The truth is that the scientific evidence shows that macro evolution is highly implausible

      • Nofun

        Evolution is guided by the environment through Natural selection.

        No one puts a value on anyones life based on a scientific theory. They certainly do if someone is of another religion.

        The purpose of life is to live it as yourself.

        Unfortunately we have religion that focuses on the fear about life ending. The idea you should live your life pretending to be someone you are not and doing things to bribe your non-existent god to get yourself into a non-existent afterlife truly is wasting the only life you get.

        There is no macro and micro Evolution …they are exactly the same thing.

        The truth is no Christian is required to accept the phony science of creationism as its nothing to do with the biblical creation belief.

        Here endth the lesson. Amen.

        • theot58

          NoFun you are just NO FUN.

          How would you respond
          if you were presented with convincing scientific evidence that an Intelligent Designer DID IN EXIST?

          Have you actually examined the evidence for Biblical Christianity or are you blindly believing the arrogant atheists who PRESUME that the universe made itself?

          Jesus said … ” and you shall know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
          John 8:32

          Please consider

          • Craig Ewoldt

            1.We now know that life is information based.
            We also know that this kind of information–instructions for making and assembling the building blocks of life–comes from intelligence.
            The evidence is overwhelming, and there is no reason but blind faith to reject it. So God Himself has given us in His creation all the evidence we need to know that an Intelligent Designer DID IN (FACT) EXIST.

          • Nofun

            1. Do we? Why? Define information? A flowing stream can be seen as information.

            2. No. We know about a self replicating organic molecule. There is absolutely no reason to jump to godly intelligences because such a organic molecule exists.

            This is the ID trick of calling DNA a computer program then making the specious claim that someone must of then wrote the program. The sleight of hand here is that a metaphor of a thing is not actually that thing.

            I could say my daughters smile is like a sunrise but that doesn’t make my daughter’s smile the cause of light and heat on planet Earth.

            No process that was thought to have a supernatural cause has ever been discovered to have one.

            Again looking at complex things and saying that proves intelligence is being wise after the fact and ignoring that complexity evolves from simpler forms.

            3. Then you jump from faceless intelligence to a god and again carry on about his creation without having the slightest piece of real world evidence of the existence of god himself outside belief.

            We have rational real world explanations about the world around us backed by evidence. At best alternate supernatural explanation would be evidence of your gods works not him the entity.

            Again, you claim to be having a personal relationship with this entity so evidence should be thick on the ground …I simply and humbly ask where is it?

          • AndyinHawick

            No Fun, it was Bill Gates who said, “DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” In fact the code is not just ‘like’ a program, it is indeed executable, digital code and data that is used by the mechanisms of the cell to produce all sorts of chemicals … including those that store the data.

            You are right that a flowing stream ‘can be seen as’ information; indeed it _contains_ information; temperature, velocity, turbulence, particles, solutes, etc all of which inform us about where the stream has come from. This, however is of a different type of information that the ‘message’ type of information found in the cell. DNA is a message with many of the features of written language; punctuation, a very high density of data and the possibility of decoding it.

            When you say that “We know about a self replicating organic molecule.” are you referring to DNA? DNA is not a self-replicating molecule. It is a data-storage molecule in the incredibly complex biological mechanism that is within each cell. The fact that this ‘computer’ or ‘factory’ can ‘unzip’ DNA and duplicate it at outstanding speed is awesome.

            You say “complexity evolves from simpler forms”. Without using the circular argumentation that you [rightly] despise so much, what evidence suggests to you that this can happen? What experiments can I perform to demonstrate this? And is the second law of thermodynamics actually wrong?

          • Marc Morgan

            One current scientific theory on the question of how did non-self-replicating DNA become the major carrier of genetic information on our planet is a concept called the “RNA-world”.

            You are correct that DNA cannot replicate itself in isolation, it requires the action of proteins (which are themselves encoded by DNA, and produced via an intermediate called RNA). So as you mentioned this is a catch-22 type of situation. DNA can’t replicate without proteins being present and proteins can’t be made without other proteins and RNA being there. So how is this system possible? Where did these components come from if they’re all interdependent? The answer may lie in the interesting bio-molecule called RNA. RNA is very similar to DNA but has some unique features. Whereas DNA in cells is typically a double stranded helix (the easily recognizable twisted strands you see in textbooks), RNA can exist in both single and double stranded forms. Importantly RNA can also fold into a huge variety of shapes and can even act as an enzyme (a molecular machine that can build or change other molecules). In fact the Ribosome, one of the most important enzymes in the cells of all living organisms from single-celled fungus to humans is made primarily of RNA. The Ribosome is the enzyme that synthesizes ALL of the proteins in your cells! Interestingly some viruses even use RNA as their genetic information instead of DNA.

            So back to the RNA-world idea. Experiments have shown that under conditions similar to those that existed on the early earth spontaneous synthesis of both RNA and proteins can occur in a gemische of organic precursor chemicals. Given that RNA can act as an enzyme early life have existed as self replicating RNA molecules. As the complexity of these molecules increased, different varieties of RNAs may have begun to interact with each other forming super-structures like primitive ribosomes that could synthesize protein. I think it’s really awesome to think about. Humans evolving from a primate ancestor is a pretty simple concept, we look really similar and share common biology. But in fact we really descended from a soup of chemicals that produced pre-cellular life-forms!

          • AndyinHawick

            I don’t know how ‘current’ the RNA world hypothesis is, I thought that it was abandoned some time ago. RNA still needs a cell to act within. Th whole idea does not essentially simplify the problem to any significant degree. We still have a situation where there are so many complex moving parts that need to be present simultaneously before anything can happen. Any one piece missing means that nothing happens and there is therefore no life.

            “Experiments have shown that under conditions similar to those that existed on the early earth spontaneous synthesis of both RNA and proteins can occur in a gemische of organic precursor chemicals.” Methinks that you are referring to the Miler-Urey experiment, which used a carefully crafted cocktail of ingredients, which we now know to be unlike any mixture that could have coalesced naturally on this planet and delivered an electric current for several days and discovered that some amino acids had formed. This is a long way off from these amino acids polymerising into proteins of any sort, let alone RNA.

            British astrophysicist, Fred Hoyle, compares the likelihood of life appearing on Earth by chemical reactions “as equivalent to the possibility that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein”.

            As a thought experiment about the importance of a cell membrane (built of course out of proteins!) consider a functioning cell; now remove the cell membrane/wall. You have all of the essential ingredients for cellular life (apart from the membrane, which is of course produced by the mechanism in the cell). What happens?

          • Marc Morgan

            Enzymes work perfectly well in cell membrane free conditions.

            Fred Hoyle is a joke.

          • Nofun

            Good question for once.

            I probably would not immediately believe as you do but I could not deny the real world evidence. I would have to give some credence to your beliefs which I can dismiss out of hand now.

            But here’s the kicker …. if real world evidence appeared and that was further investigated and a god was found to be a reality, I wouldn’t have to believe anything.

            A reality can only be accepted or rejected …. belief in god would disappear overnight as would religion because the 4000 Christian sects (and all other religions) could no longer claim their version of god was the correct one.

            You might have to radically re-evaluate what you previously just believed too to account for the new reality. Its possible a creator god that creates universes doesn’t want one species on one tiny planet to worship him at all. He might not be that needy.

            Also the bible says many things, many of which we have laws against. The bible saying the bible is true is circular thinking.

          • theot58

            Good Answer for once.
            I agree with much of what you say.
            The universe was either
            1) created (ie supernaturally by an Intelligent Designer) or
            2) it was not created (ie existed eternally).
            3) Was the result of huge explosion (Big Bang) with no intelligent input
            Item 2 has been discarded since the early 1900, so it is out of 1 and 3
            Do you BELIEVE that an explosion would produce the order and complexity that we see around us.
            Your brain is more powerful than all the worlds computers COMBINED.
            Do you honestly believe that it came into existence as a result of an explosion and “millions of years of evolution”?
            Please give me an honest answer

          • Nofun

            None of that is what I said.

            1) This is a non-starter as there is no evidence of any gods or intelligent designers.

            3) It was not an explosion, it was an expansion and no natural force has been found to have supernatural input so why would the Big Bang have one?

            The reality is (no belief required) that the natural physical forces formed everything after the Big Bang, mainly gravity. Thus the Big Bang only requires a trigger event which in itself could be small and temporary.

            String theory postulates 11 dimensions so the universe we see may only be a few lower order dimension to the ones we can’t see … so the Big Bang was not the start of the universe just the dimensions we can see and perceive. Before you say it, string theory is not a belief, its physical mathematics.

            All complexity is derived from simpler forms and natural processes. One can easily show a variety of simpler brains with increasing complexity.

            This spontaneous order and complexity is not believed by anyone except the religious who believe that an entity, with no evidential physical reality, created everything as it is today.

            So in a nutshell……..YES..

        • Craig Ewoldt

          There is no good evidence that the changes we observe can be conflated with the changes in body types that Darwinian evolution requires. That remains whether you like the terms macro and micro or not. Have you ever noticed that Darwinian evolutionists like to conflate terms or try to define their way into “winning?” It is a rhetorical technique used when the facts are not not adequate or in their favor.

          • Nofun

            That is not true.

            We have the best fossil lines for whales and humans.

            Its not about winning or losing its about accepting evidence and reality.

            Micro and Macro mean nothing as they are exactly the same process …its like saying you believe in puddles but lakes are impossible,

  • tatoo

    Darwin was amazing. So glad he is being recognized for the genius he was.

  • Michael Adams

    I find it ironic that they hold Darwin’s ideas as “scientific “, and mention “all of the evidence ” he presented in his book. Obviously they either don’t know anything about science or they never read his book. There is no science in it, just speculation and philosophy. Darwin and his thoughts on evolution should be taught in a philosophy class and not in a science class. Also, he was not an American, why should our government want to honor him? If they want to honor a scientist why not Werner von Braun ? Someone who actually advanced science in America.

    • This style 10/6

      Werner von Braun was German and he worked for the Nazis during WWII.

      • Michael Adams

        Then you know the remarkable story of redemption in his life. How he took great pains and risks in order to get him and his team in an area to surrender to the Americans. How he became a naturalized citizen in 1955. How we could not have landed a man on the moon without him. And how he received the National Science Medallion in 1975. He got us to the moon, where has Darwin brought us?

        • This style 10/6

          The Americans vacuumed up all the Nazi scientists. They had a choice; work for us or go to trial at Nuremburg. The rockets were for war not the moon.

          You know nothing of Darwin who ranks with Newton and Einstein in the annals of science.

  • Angelique Williams

    As I’ve asked before..please..show me a fossil of an animal evolving into another animal. Not a bacteria that remains bacteria..or animal which is the same kind but slightly different. Evolution has become it’s own religion, it’s atheism. Just as Scientology is now recognized as a religion. Government shall not create laws regarding any religion. Belief in evolution is its own religion with atheism, celebrating winter solstice. This is his own belief, you cannot force your belief on me or anyone else who believes otherwise.

  • Tom Haney

    so he wants a day to remember how Darwin is completely wrong…praise jesus

    fuck you

    • Vince

      Flagged. You need to move on, Fester. Go back to your porn, that childish vulgarity has no place here.

  • theot58

    Celebrating Darwin is celebrating dumbness because Evolution is really really dumb.

    It has not credible scientific evidence to support it yet it is taught as dogma in the science class to millions of trusting students.

    The consequences of teaching Darwinina/Macro evolution as a scientific fact are subtle but very destructive.

    The core assertion of Darwinian/Macro evolution, that from simple and chaotic beginnings all life-forms emerged by an unguided, purposeless process, is NOT harmless. The inescapable inference is that since we emerged from a random, unguided, purposeless process, then we are purposeless and of no inherent value. This has a subtle but very negative impact on the self esteem of students and is contributing to low self esteem, depression, nihilism, etc.

    If the scientific evidence for macro evolution was genuinely strong; I would not complain. The truth is that the scientific evidence shows that macro evolution is highly implausible.

    .

    Fossils do NOT prove evolution.

    Personal letter from Dr Collin Patterson, Senior Paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History in London, to Luther D. Sunderland said

    “It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favored by natural selection.

    But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test.”

  • mdhumphreys .

    Why would anyone be surprised by the sentiments of James Himes and other anti-theists? This is not the first attack against the Bible. Yes, it is sad when we see congress write such resolutions, but no matter what the world may think, it will not change the truth one little bit. I am in favor, of course, in defending the truth through dialogue and reason, but I do not think you will find that of the world in general. As long as mankind continues to exist on this small blue planet in his fallen state, you are going to have these kind of resolutions. My suggestion, we need to find a congressman who understands Creation Science and propose a similar resolution in favor of the Biblical view of Creation and Science.

    • Nofun

      How is Darwin Day an attack on anyone?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA should stop trying to enslave mankind with the Western notion of depravity. Mankind have a right to sane morality. Working in cotton fields had some honor because it was a labor. Submitting to US Sodom is a total disgrace as a human being. Freedom was established by American fathers for living out God’s truth and not complying with American pervs of the 21st century. A real disgraceful mental slavery.

  • Emerald

    Many of you seem unaware of what the discovery and understanding of the complexity of DNA has done to Darwinism. Darwin himself admitted that such a discovery would cause his theory to completely collapse. This is a quote by Darwin directly taken from his book ‘The Origin of the Species’: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex
    organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous,
    successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.
    But I can find no such case.” He admits it himself! Well, he did not know about DNA, but we now do. The discovery of the incredible intricacy of DNA does exactly what Darwin himself purported. If you do not understand just how involved and complex DNA is then I would highly suggest you watch a documentary about it (an in depth one, not a 10 minute one) or read a book about it. It destroys the theory of evolution and renders it impossible by Darwin’s very own words.

  • Tony

    GOD created the big Bang. enough said.. Gen 1:1-5

  • Nofun

    I don’t know, what is a semesters tuition fee worth these days?

    Here’s an idea get an education about Evolution yourself then comment about it …not the other way around.

    There is zero evidence of intelligent design as it relies on a casual factor it can’t even name let alone prove exists.

    The Strengths and Weakness nonsense is where ID lurks today because when exposed to the light of day in the Dover trial it failed utterly …its best proponents were forced to admit it was not science.

    This Strengths and Weakness nonsense is only ever attempted to be applied to Evolution and Man made Greenhouse science. With Evolution, the weaknesses are all creationist and ID canards which are not science.

    But if you are just stating weaknesses you don’t have to prove the basis for these supposed “weaknesses” … you are just innocently asking questions. Its deceit and a political trick that no Christian should ever partake in. No one is actually fooled by it either.