Concerns Raised After ‘Gay Marriage’ Supporter Carrie Underwood Sings at Passion Conference

Concerns are being raised by a prominent pro-family organization after country music star Carrie Underwood, who has expressed her support for same-sex “marriage” and attends a church that allows practicing homosexuals to serve in ministry, recently appeared at a major Christian conference attended by tens of thousands of college-age youth.

The American Family Association (AFA) has penned an open letter to Louie Giglio, leader of the annual Passion Conference and pastor of Atlanta’s Passion City Church, to express concern about Underwood’s participation in the event held January 2-4 at the Atlanta Dome.

The yearly conference regularly features worship music from artists such as Chris Tomlin, Kristian Stanfill and Crowder, as well as Bible teaching from speakers like Giglio and Francis Chan. This year, Underwood, who had not been advertised as a guest, took the stage with Crowder near the end of the performance of the song “Lift Your Head Weary Sinner,” and also led the tune “Something in the Water.”

“Louie, if I can be completely transparent, I was very frustrated that you would allow [Underwood] to help lead thousands of people in worship. My frustration quickly turned to disappointment and then to sadness,” wrote AFA Director of Outreach, Wesley Wildmon.

“With the many Christian artists who believe and teach the full counsel of God’s Word available to lead worship at Passion, why would you choose one who publicly states homosexuality is not a sin?” he asked. “Your approval gives thousands of unsaved or weak Millennials an untruthful image of what the Bible says about marriage.”

Wildmon clarified that he isn’t saying that Underwood should be shunned altogether, but that her public remarks should give reason for pause to provide a platform to someone that supports an unbiblical view of marriage.

“It should go without saying, but I will say it anyway: her denial of God’s Word should not keep you from being friends and encouraging her, but it should give you hesitance in inviting her to partner with your ministry,” he wrote.

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As previously reported, Underwood, who attends GracePointe Church in Nashville with her husband Mike Fisher, announced in 2012 that she supports same-sex “marriage.”

“As a married person myself, I don’t know what it’s like to be told I can’t marry somebody I love, and want to marry,” she told The Independent. “I can’t imagine how that must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and love publicly, the people that we want to love.”

“Our church is gay friendly,” Underwood continued. “Above all, God wanted us to love others. It’s not about setting rules, or [saying] ‘everyone has to be like me.’ No. We’re all different. That’s what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other. It’s not up to me to judge anybody.”

She also criticized “people who use the Bible for hate,” remarking, “That’s not how I would want myself as a Christian to be represented.”

In light of her comments, AFA asked that Giglio be more careful about who he invites to the event in the future.

“I am writing to plead with you to consider the clarity of God’s Word on marriage and reflect on it in the artist you choose for next year,” Wildmon said. “It is God who has blessed you with this platform and it is God who can remove His hand of blessing if you become careless with His principles.”

Following her appearance at the Passion Conference this month, Underwood thanked organizers on social media for allowing her to be a part of the event.

“What an incredible night @passion268! Thanks for letting me be a small part of it! & thanks @crowdermusic for letting me crash your set!” she wrote.

Passion likewise expressed excitement over Underwood’s performance, Tweeting, “Thanks @crowdermusic for an amazing night of music and to our special guest @carrieunderwood for joining us at Passion 2017! What at start!”

Giglio has not responded to press inquiries about the matter.

Underwood’s appearance may be viewed here as it was posted to the event’s YouTube page.


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  • Emmanuel

    The issue, the people pay to attend these conference thinking they are getting something good. They attend these conference because of the name or the person running the show. Sad, when will we learn that God talks to us in our prayer time, reading the bible and in our local churches. We don’t need a conference.

    • michael louwe

      Seems, these conferences are mostly money-making schemes by certain false prophets/pastors in sheep clothing, similar to secular pop concerts that go for about US$100 per person/ticket.

      • Emmanuel

        exactly and the people wonder why they go back to their ways 24 hours after leaving these conferences. No real change and no real Word from God.

  • Denny

    If her moral code isn’t Christian, she is no Christian.

    • James Nicholas

      christian is a person who follows christ and his teachings. “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Seems like you are not a christian since you clearly aren’t very accepting of others and first to judge and cast stones upon ignoring your own sinful life

      • Charles

        The two most important interlink with the other commandments.. If you love God, you will follow his laws and worship him only. If you love your neighbor, you won’t steal, or covet, Murder them, etc… It’s called righteous judgment.. How do you think Christians are supposed to keep themselves in check with Scripture?

      • michael louwe

        The 2nd great commandment/law = “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself”. – Since “thyself” follow/keep the commandments/laws of God, “thy” should only love those neighbors/friends who also keep the commandments/laws of God.
        .
        .
        2COR.6 =
        14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship
        has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with
        darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you[b] are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

        “I will dwell in them
        And walk among them.
        I will be their God,
        And they shall be My people.”[c]

        17 Therefore

        “Come out from among them
        And be separate, says the Lord.
        Do not touch what is unclean,
        And I will receive you.”[d]
        18 “I will be a Father to you,
        And you shall be My sons and daughters,
        Says the Lord Almighty.”[e]

        • Chris

          “The 2nd great commandment/law = “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
          thyself”. – Since “thyself” follow/keep the commandments/laws of God,
          “thy” should only love those neighbors/friends who also keep the
          commandments/laws of God.”

          You mean like the Samaritans did? Remember the parable of the good Samaritan? It would seem that Jesus disagrees with you.

  • wepjr

    Underwood said, “It’s not up to me to judge anybody.” Really. What about John 7:24 – “Do not judge by mere appearances, make right judgment.”? Or what about 1 Cor. 5:11-13 – “… you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ‘Expel the wicked man from among you”?

    There are a host of verses that tell us to judge between right and wrong. Carrie Underwood is a little misled on the matter.

    • Charles

      I was going there too.. ““Our church is gay friendly,” Underwood continued. “Above all, God wanted us to love others. It’s not about setting rules, or [saying] ‘everyone has to be like me.’ No. We’re all different. That’s what makes us special. ”

      For starters, God is against the sin of homosexuality it isn’t going to fly in his world. Second, she says “It’s not about setting rules, or [saying] ‘everyone has to be like me.’”.. Right.. You are supposed to be like your King Jesus Christ.. This is a person who goes to church and thinks that’s what God is.. A Sunday stroll.. You covered the righteous judgment already.. She knows NOTHING of God..

      • James Nicholas

        trust me , god is not against homosexuality or any of his creation. He’s against hateful hypocrites like you. You people have defiled christ’s name far too long to control society and to bully others into falling into the categories you make for yourself and your fake community. Repent before it’s too late or blessings will turn into curses and hell fire will consume you

        • Charles

          You have Scripture to back that up that homosexuality is ok? I’ll wait………………

          • Dee

            James Nicholas God’s word is
            very clear on homosexuality and is not to be changed. I too am curious what scripture you have saying it is okay? What I said above is what the Bible says so please help me to learn otherwise. Also, just because a Christian doesn’t agree with ones lifestyle, doesn’t mean they dislike that person. In fact, to the contrary. We love e veryone but hate their sin.

          • Chris

            “James Nicholas God’s word is
            very clear on homosexuality and is not to be changed.” Can you read Hebrew and Koinne Greek? No? Then the Bible is NOT clear only a translation is clear.

          • Dee

            You can attempt to justify any which way you like. For me and most Christians, we try to live by God’s word as it is revealed in truth to us through prayer. We are not deceived. The Word is truth and will always prevail.

            God has warned man in Revelation 22:18-19 which
            says, “For I testify unto everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, and from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

            For me, I do not need to know Greek or anything else you mention. God reveals His word to me so I understand it and this is what I believe.

          • Chris

            “For me, I do not need to know Greek or anything else you mention. God
            reveals His word to me so I understand it and this is what I believe.” So you’re infallible? I believe that’s called ego worship.

            Also if God Himself reveals things to you then to disagree with you is to disagree with God. Is that the way it is?

          • Jason Todd

            God is infallible. You aren’t.

          • Chris

            Neither are you. Please stop assuming that the bible and your interpretation of it MUST be the same thing. You could be in error, just like me.

          • Jason Todd

            Can you in any way prove beyond doubt the Bible condones homosexuality?

            Provide the proof or shut up.

          • Chris

            “Can you in any way prove beyond doubt the Bible condones homosexuality?”

            So you want a higher standard of proof than a court? They only require proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

            As to that I can show that the verses concerning homosexuality are often mistranslated or misinterpreted. So I guess your challenge should be reversed.

          • Charles

            I answered that for you below.

          • Chris

            Ah, no you didn’t. Let’s examine your proof texts shall we?

            “Gen 19:5 KJV
            (5) And they called unto Lot, and said unto him,
            Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.”

            Two points:

            1) Consensual homosexual relationships have NOTHING to do with rape.

            2) A mob wanted to rape some male angels. Why does this story apply to all male homosexuals? If they had wanted to rape female angels would you interpret the story to mean that heterosexuality was sinful? Of course you wouldn’t. Be consistent.

            “Lev 18:22 KJV
            (22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

            Already answered this. This is part of Jewish ritual law dealing with acts which make you unclean. Shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are also described as abominations.

            “Lev 20:13 KJV
            If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

            Two points:

            1) Female homosexuals aren’t mentioned.

            2) To quote from a Hebrew scholar “Both this verse and the other from Leviticus (see below) appear in a
            holiness code that applied to Israel rather than to gentile Christians
            in an age of grace. Both occur in the clear context of opposition to the
            practices of the local fertility god Moloch; verse 21 sets the stage
            for this one by forbidding people from allowing their children to be
            burned in sacrifice to Moloch, verse 23 prohibits intercourse with
            animals (the idol of Moloch was in the form of a bull with a man’s head and shoulders, so this verse too may refer to idol worship).

            At the time, in order to get a conviction, Jewish law required four (male) witnesses, so whatever the action condemned in Leviticus was, it was likely a public event (there are no instances recorded in the Talmud of anyone being brought before the Sanhedrin and charged with homosexual activity). Worship of other gods provided a context where sex is very public, and there are 59 other places in the Bible where the worship of other gods is called an abomination (in the KJV). How could these two verses not apply to temple prostitution?”

            “Deu 22:5 KJV
            (5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy
            God.”

            What has being a transvestite got to do with homosexuuality?

            “Deu 23:17 KJV
            (17) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.”

            This is talking about going after foreign gods.

            “Jdg 19:22 KJV Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.”

            In other words it’s a practice associated with idolatry of Belial.

            “Rom 1:26-27 KJV
            For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:”

            For which reason? Let’s see shall we?

            Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

            Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”

            So in other words God punished idolaters with homosexual acts.

            “1Ti 1:10 KJV
            (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

            Again to quote a Greek scholar “in 1 Timothy 1:8–11: In the letter to the Corinthians, amid the list of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God, Paul uses two Greek words: malakoi and arsenokoitai. Malakoi is a common Greek word meaning, of things subject to touch, “soft” (used in Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 to describe a garment); of things not subject to touch, “gentle”; and, of persons or modes of life, a number of meanings that include “pathic”. Nowhere else in scripture is Malakoi used to describe a person.”

          • Charles

            “”1) Consensual homosexual relationships have NOTHING to do with rape.

            2) A mob wanted to rape some male angels. Why does this story apply to all male homosexuals? If they had wanted to rape female angels would you interpret the story to mean that heterosexuality was sinful? Of course you wouldn’t. Be consistent.””

            But then, Lot offered his daughter and they wanted no part of her.

            (Gen 19:8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

            There also doesn’t appear to be any women around. So it wasn’t just about rape… It was about rape and sodomy.

            “””Lev 18:22 KJV
            (22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

            Already answered this. This is part of Jewish ritual law dealing with acts which make you unclean. Shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are also described as abominations.””

            That is just flat out ridiculous.. He’s talking about homosexuality. But I wouldn’t expect a Zoroastrian to get that..

            “Deu 22:5 KJV
            (5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy
            God.”

            What has being a transvestite got to do with homosexuuality?

            Well.. I already explained this in (1Cor6:9)

            “””Deu 23:17 KJV
            (17) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.””

            This is talking about going after foreign gods.””

            Yes it is..

            “””Jdg 19:22 KJV Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.”

            In other words it’s a practice associated with idolatry of Belial.””

            No it doesn’t.. Know just as in Genesis:

            “Gen 19:5 KJV
            (5) And they called unto Lot, and said unto him,
            Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.”

            means to have sex with them to know them intimately. Doesn’t say a thing about worshiping anything.. Just that they were sons of Belial.

            (Rom 1:22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
            (Rom 1:23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
            (Rom 1:24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
            (Rom 1:25) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
            (Rom 1:26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            (Rom 1:27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            (Rom 1:28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
            (Rom 1:29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
            (Rom 1:30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
            (Rom 1:31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
            (Rom 1:32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

            True it’s talking about Idolatry, and numerous other sins.. Including homosexuality. If sin is what you wish to do, God will give you over to it.

            “”Again to quote a Greek scholar “in 1 Timothy 1:8–11: In the letter to the Corinthians, amid the list of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God, Paul uses two Greek words: malakoi and arsenokoitai. Malakoi is a common Greek word meaning, of things subject to touch, “soft” (used in Matthew 11:8 and Luke 7:25 to describe a garment); of things not subject to touch, “gentle”; and, of persons or modes of life, a number of meanings that include “pathic”. Nowhere else in scripture is Malakoi used to describe a person.””

            Right. So “Soft” meaning effeminate. And Arsenokoitai is talking about homosexuality. Man lying with man.

          • Chris

            I’d like to break up my reply if I may otherwise we’ll be writing books for each reply. 🙂

            “But then, Lot offered his daughter and they wanted no part of her.

            (Gen
            19:8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let
            me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in
            your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they
            under the shadow of my roof.

            There also doesn’t appear to be any women around. So it wasn’t just about rape… It was about rape and sodomy.”

            Well male rape of another male would be about sodomy. It would also be rape and therefore non-consensual. Additionally Lot offering these men his daughters if the guys are homosexuals makes no sense.

          • Charles

            “”Well male rape of another male would be about sodomy. It would also be rape and therefore non-consensual. Additionally Lot offering these men his daughters if the guys are homosexuals makes no sense.””

            It makes sense for a man not thinking clearly at the time. Regardless, this was about Sodomy, and Rape. It doesn’t change the circumstances. Clearly they were Homosexuals.

          • Chris

            “Lev 18:22 KJV
            (22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

            Already
            answered this. This is part of Jewish ritual law dealing with acts
            which make you unclean. Shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics are also
            described as abominations.””

            That is just flat out ridiculous.. He’s talking about homosexuality. But I wouldn’t expect a Zoroastrian to get that.”

            Well thank you for that bit of denigration. Put negro or woman in place of Zoroastrian. Not nice is it?

            I’ll requote my CHRISTIAN scholar here “Loving, committed relationships are not in view here. The author is addressing the sin of having sex for its own sake (i.e., using another person, or animal, to meet one’s own selfish sexual needs). The context also makes clear that these are purity regulations designed to keep holy Israel separate from unholy Canaan. In light of Jesus’ rejection of purity codes and their effect of separating people groups, the Christian church no longer takes purity
            codes literally. Anyone who would claim that Leviticus 18:22 is clear and should regulate Christian ethical practice today needs to explain how or on what basis other regulations in the Holiness Code (Lev. 17-26) should not regulate Christian ethical practice today (cf. Lev. 20:9-16,27; 24:16). It is not legitimate to willy-nilly pick and choose which verses one wants to take seriously and which one does not.”

            I guess he didn’t understand the purity codes either. Nor, it seems do the Jews with whom I work apparently. Strange that that they don’t understand their own codes.

          • Chris

            As to Romans I’ll quote a previous post ”

            “Rom 1:26-27 KJV
            For this cause God gave them up unto vile
            affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:”

            For which cause? Let’s see shall we?
            “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”

            So in other words God punished idolaters with homosexual acts.

            Additionally the scholar says “Paul’s main concern here is the proper relationship between Creator and creature. The use and abuse of sexuality is one of the symptoms of such a confusion. Although it may appear to the heterosexual world that homosexual sex is the prime example of
            depravity, both homosexual and heterosexual sex can reflect such a confusion. What Paul condemns here is “pederasty,” the (homosexual) domination of one person over another — specifically, that of an older man over a younger boy.”

          • tatoo

            You have scripture to back up that eating pork is ok? I’ll wait….

          • Charles

            We aren’t discussing pork here..

          • tatoo

            No, we are discussing god’s law and Leviticus. What is the difference in abominations between pork and homosexuality? They are not abominations. If you liked men, then you would also say that was okay and no longer applied, just like you Christians did with pork.

          • Nofun

            The kosher laws of the Old Testament are not binding on Christians.

            Do you not understand that whatever enters into a man from outside cannot defile him; because it enters not into his heart, but into the belly, and then out of his body?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “It is what comes out of the man that defiles the man.” (Mark 7:18-20)

            I know and am perfectly sure on the authority of the Lord Jesus that no food, in and of itself, is wrong to eat. The Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. (Romans 14:14, 17)

            Don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink. (Colossians 2:16)

            God created those foods to be eaten with thanksgiving by people who know and believe the truth. Since everything God created is good, we should not reject any of it. We may receive it gladly, with thankful hearts. For we know it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:3-5)

            Eat your food and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this! (Ecclesiastes 9:7)

            If I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, why should I be condemned for eating it? Whatever you eat or drink or whatever you do, you must do all for the glory of God. (1 Corinthians 10:30-31)

          • Chris

            It’s ok for Christians to own slaves according to both the Hebrew and Christian testaments. How many do you own?

          • Jason Todd

            Incorrect and irrelevant.

            Homosexuality is wrong in the eyes of God. And if He’s against it, so am I.

            End of discussion.

          • Chris

            Slavery is right in the eyes of God. End of discussion. I can do that too.

          • tatoo

            Then why are the other laws binding? Again, you Christians pick and choose. Jesus didn’t eat pork.

          • Nofun

            Your brain doesn’t even function.
            I posted SIX New Testament passages that show that the kosher laws are no longer binding on Christians.
            Can you fathom this:
            The New Testament specifically says that the Old Testament food laws are not binding on Christians.

            The New Testament specifically says that the Old Testament food laws are not binding on Christians.

            The New Testament specifically says that the Old Testament food laws are not binding on Christians.

            The New Testament specifically says that the Old Testament food laws are not binding on Christians.

          • Jason Todd

            Not Jewish. Come up with a better strawman.

          • Glenn Barker

            I’m not sure about the whole Jesus as a the christ thing, but can you direct me to a quote from he disapproved of homosexuality?

          • Charles

            Gen 19:5 KJV
            (5) And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

            Lev 18:22 KJV
            (22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

            Lev 20:13 KJV
            (13) If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

            Deu 22:5 KJV
            (5) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

            Deu 23:17 KJV
            (17) There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

            Jdg 19:22 KJV
            (22) Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

            Rom 1:26-27 KJV
            (26) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

            Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
            Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
            Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
            Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
            Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
            Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
            Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

            1Ti 1:10 KJV
            (10) For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

          • 51franco

            Why is it the conservative Jewish movement and the reform Jewish movement support same-sex marriage? Aren’t Genesis, Leviticus, and
            Deuteronomy their scriptures?

          • Charles

            No.. They worship the Talmud.. This is the teachings that Jesus said the Pharisee made God’s Laws to no effect. In the Talmud you can rape an infant of three years old. It’s not considered a sin for them.

          • Glenn Barker

            Those are nice, but how about something from your christ?

          • Charles

            (2Ti 3:16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
            (2Ti 3:17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

          • 51franco

            Why would God make some people homosexuality? So you can scapegoat
            them and put them down? I don’t think so.
            And what of the studies since 1993 that have led scientific community
            to conclude that homosexuality is biologically determined?

          • Dee

            Many studies have been done on homosexuality and have not concluded that homosexuality is determined biologically. Actually, to the contrary. One recent 2016 study says:

            Study: No Proof That People Are Born Gay or Transgender

            By Bill Hoffmann
            Monday, 22 Aug 2016 3:09 PM

            Two top Johns Hopkins University psychiatrists say there is insufficient evidence to conclude people are born with heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual attractions.

            “The understanding of sexual orientation as an innate, biologically fixed property of human beings — the idea that people are ‘born that way’ — is not supported by scientific evidence,” Drs. Lawrence Mayer and Paul McHugh conclude in their new study, “Sexuality and Gender.”

            “While minor differences in the brain structures and brain activity between homosexual and heterosexual individuals have been identified … such neurobiological findings do not demonstrate whether [they] are innate or are the result of environmental and psychological factors.”

            In addition, studies comparing brain structures of transgender and cisgender individuals demonstrate “weak correlations between brain structure and cross-gender identification” and do not provide any evidence for a neurobiological basis for cross-gender identification, they say.

            According to a recent estimate, about 0.6 percent of U.S. adults identify as a gender that does not correspond to their biological sex.

            Mayer is a scholar-in-residence at the Maryland school’s psychiatry department and Paul McHugh, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences.

            © 2017 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

          • Chris

            Is that why there are homosexuals in the animal world? Because it’s a choice? Perhaps you should read the work of scientists from peer reviewed jounals and NOT from sites pushing an agenda. Just a thought.

          • Jason Todd

            Animals also consume and fling poo. Your point?

          • Chris

            If homosexuality is a choice then why do animals do it? Is it a choice with them too? Even the ones who operate merely on instinct?

            Additionally if something is found in nature then it is natural. Homosexuality is found in nature therefore it is natural.

            It would seem that two arguments against homosexuality have been dealt with. That’s my point.

            Now if you’d like to discuss the morality of homosexual acts WITHOUT assuming that you MUST be correct to begin with then that’s another discussion and one I would like to have.

          • 51franco

            Psychiatrists? Give me a break. It’s the microbiologists that have established the connection.

          • Jason Todd

            The whole idea is baloney. If people were born that way, there would be no need to teach it to kids.

          • Glenn Barker

            I’ve done a 55-year-long study and have come to a certain conclusion. People are born homosexual. And it’s a good thing. I have been with my partner for 23 years and we have a wonderful life together.

          • Charles

            “”Why would God make some people homosexuality?””

            Why would God make me a thief? Why would God make me a liar? Why would God make me an Idolater?

            “”So you can scapegoat them and put them down?””

            No. So you can know that homosexuality is a sin, just like being a liar, or thief, adulterer, etc. Your God wishes you to know this, as there will be no excuse for any when his judgment comes.

            “”And what of the studies since 1993 that have led scientific community
            to conclude that homosexuality is biologically determined?””

            Because there are no valid studies that actually conclude that.

          • Chris

            “Why would God make me a thief? Why would God make me a liar? Why would God make me an Idolater?”

            A thief, liar or idolater is based on something you do. Homosexuality is something you are. A homosexual who has never acted on his or her desires remains a homosexual nonetheless.

            Try harder with your analogy please.

          • Charles

            “”A thief, liar or idolater is based on something you do. Homosexuality is something you are. A homosexual who has never acted on his or her desires remains a homosexual nonetheless.

            Try harder with your analogy please.””

            Well.. We all have our hangups.. So it’s not unique. Fact is, the Lord saves you from these things. It doesn’t ever have to be that way again.. You’ll go through trials, but The Lord will never let you down. He’s never let me down.. I’ve been a fool, but I was terribly stubborn.

        • Penny

          God is very against homosexuality it is a SIN Leviticus 18:22

          • Glenn Barker

            Isn’t that in what you call the Old Testament?

          • Dee

            The particular verse Penny mentions is in fact in the Old Testament.

          • Chris

            Actually it’s NOT a sin. It’s an abomination. Just like eating shellfish and wearing clothing of mixed fabric.

          • Dee

            It is a sin. Penny is correct.

          • Chris

            Penny is incorrect and so are you. The word used is abomination. But check it out for yourself if you don’t believe me.

            “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” ESV

            “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.” NASB

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” KJV

            Like me to go on?

          • Jason Todd

            Still not Jewish.

          • Chris

            Actually many, many Jews divide the law into moral and ritual requirements. To break a moral law is wrong while to break a ritual law merely makes you unclean. Homosexual acts are considered part of the ritual law.

          • Jason Todd

            Not relevant. Not Jewish.

          • Chris

            Many Jews do this but it’s not Jewish? How does that work?

          • Charles

            The same things are repeated in the New Testament, so…. That’s not going to do any good. What “Homosexual” rituals did they do…Give me a break. Homosexuality is a moral issue.

          • Chris

            Homosexuality can’t be meant by Paul since homosexuality was only defined in the 19th century. The ancient world thought of sexuality as fluid. You could fancy boys today and girls tomorrow. We know this as bisexuality.

            Additionally Paul thought homosexual acts were the result of idolatry. Do you really believe little babies are idolaters? really?

          • Charles

            “Homosexuality can’t be meant by Paul since homosexuality was only defined in the 19th century”

            Kool.. So what were they called back then? Surely they had a name for it, just like we do today right? Were they called Silly nannies or something back then? No actually the phrase was repeated from the Old Testament.

            “The ancient world thought of sexuality as fluid. “…

            Ok.. Wasn’t supposed to go on in Israel.. The Gentiles were also sacrificing their children to the hotplate called Moloch to.. So…

            “Additionally Paul thought homosexual acts were the result of idolatry. Do you really believe little babies are idolaters? really?”

            Not sure where this is from.. I can tell you it’s not about idolatry because he uses Idolatry, and Abusers of Mankind with themselves in the same verse.

            (1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
            (1Co 6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

            Not sure where the baby part comes from.

          • Chris

            “Kool.. So what were they called back then? Surely they had a name for it, just like we do today right?”

            Since that was the ancient’s view of how human sexuality works then people were known as …human beings.

            “No actually the phrase was repeated from the Old
            Testament.”

            No it isn’t. It’s a mistranslation of Hebrew terms.

            “Ok..
            Wasn’t supposed to go on in Israel.. The Gentiles were also sacrificing
            their children to the hotplate called Moloch to.. So…”

            Irrelevant. That’s how the ancients thought human sexuality worked. You can argue all you like that Hebrews shouldn’t have behaved like that but orientation does NOT equal behaviour. A homosexual can remain chaste his/her entire life. They will still be homosexual. Likewise bisexuals will remain bisexuals even if they never act on it.

            My point was how can Paul be condemning homosexuality when he didn’t even know what that was?

            “Not sure where this
            is from.. I can tell you it’s not about idolatry because he uses
            Idolatry, and Abusers of Mankind with themselves in the same verse.”

            In Romans Paul blames homosexual acts on idolatry.

            “(1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
            (1Co 6:10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

            Not all homosexual males are effeminate so Paul can’t have meant homosexuals. Or did he just excuse the butch ones? 🙂
            Not sure where the baby part comes from.

          • Charles

            No.. You haven’t read the verse correctly..

            Lev 18:22 KJV
            (22) Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

            (1Co 6:9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

            Effeminate is something akin to a transvestite. Men who dress up in womens clothes or the reverse. The line about homosexuality is the abusers of themselves with mankind.

          • Chris

            You are correct. Apologies. However ‘abusers of themselves with mankind’ sounds pretty vague. How were they abusing each other? How do you know it refers to homosexuals?

            Secondly there was a common custom of people who would exploit a relationship with a young man – pedophiles if you will. Many Greek scholars think Paul was referring to this type of exploitative relationship. That is why Paul adds “And that is what some of you were.”

          • Charles

            It’s the same line used from Leviticus but phrased in Greek.. Obviously, the phrasing will be a bit different as the languages are different. But same meaning.

          • Chris

            Good then the same reply should be made “I’ll requote my CHRISTIAN scholar here “Loving, committed relationships
            are not in view here. The author is addressing the sin of having sex for
            its own sake (i.e., using another person, or animal, to meet one’s own
            selfish sexual needs). The context also makes clear that these are
            purity regulations designed to keep holy Israel separate from unholy
            Canaan. In light of Jesus’ rejection of purity codes and their effect of
            separating people groups, the Christian church no longer takes purity codes
            literally. Anyone who would claim that Leviticus 18:22 is clear and
            should regulate Christian ethical practice today needs to explain how or
            on what basis other regulations in the Holiness Code (Lev. 17-26)
            should not regulate Christian ethical practice today (cf. Lev.
            20:9-16,27; 24:16). It is not legitimate to willy-nilly pick and choose
            which verses one wants to take seriously and which one does not.”

          • Charles

            I’m aware of the Pedophilia that was rampant in the Roman Empire. However, nothing in these verses mention children. Well the Greek Scholar can certainly believe that’s what Paul is saying. Just because you are a “Scholar” doesn’t mean you understand the Word of God.

            (Mat 13:10) And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
            (Mat 13:11) He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
            (Mat 13:12) For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
            (Mat 13:13) Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
            (Mat 13:14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
            (Mat 13:15) For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
            (Mat 13:16) But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
            (Mat 13:17) For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

            “This is why knowing the original languages is so important. Many words can have more than one meaning and can be incredibly difficult to translate. Especially in a totally different culture.”

            I agree, it is important to know to some degree just for study purposes, the language, customs, and histories. But overall it has no bearing on the understanding of Gods Word.

          • Chris

            “I’m aware of the Pedophilia that was rampant in the Roman Empire.
            However, nothing in these verses mention children.”
            That’s how one of the Greek words was used to identify a call-boy.

            “Well the Greek
            Scholar can certainly believe that’s what Paul is saying. Just because
            you are a “Scholar” doesn’t mean you understand the Word of God.”

            I’m not calling myself a scholar. This was from an article named “homosexuality and the bible”. The scholar is a Mennonite.

            As to me not understanding the bible the same can be said of you. I, on the other hand do have a degree in history and an associate diploma in theology. What are your qualification? Now ff you are through denigrating me can we continue to look at the evidence?

          • Charles

            “”That’s how one of the Greek words was used to identify a call-boy.””

            Ok. That’s wonderful. Yet, it doesn’t say that. Male lying with a male. Doesn’t specify any one group.

            “”I’m not calling myself a scholar. This was from an article named “homosexuality and the bible”. The scholar is a Mennonite””

            Sorry, I misstated what I meant. Wasn’t referring to you as a Scholar, I was referring to a Scholar in general. Being a Scholar doesn’t mean you believe and understand God’s Word. Some Scholars don’t believe God’s Word at all. If you don’t believe Gods Word, you won’t understand it.

            “”As to me not understanding the bible the same can be said of you. I, on the other hand do have a degree in history and an associate diploma in theology. What are your qualification? Now ff you are through denigrating me can we continue to look at the evidence?””

            That’s great you have degrees but again, doesn’t have a thing to do with understanding God’s Word. I gave you the verses explaining it in Matt 13:13. No degradation intended. I don’t have a degree but I do have God’s Word which I wouldn’t trade for the world.

          • Chris

            “Ok. That’s wonderful. Yet, it doesn’t say that. ” It does say that in the Greek!

            “If you don’t believe Gods Word, you won’t understand it.” Understanding isn’t a gift it is a result of study. It is a result of cognition.

          • Chris

            “If you don’t believe Gods Word, you won’t understand it.” Prove it. We can actually test this. I can give you the text in another language and you can tell me what it means. Since you can’t read the text you’d be totally dependent upon God’s gift. My bet is that your interpretation wouldn’t have the slightest thing to do with the subject of the text.

            I’d rather depend upon a scholar who can read the actual text thanks.

          • Charles

            “””If you don’t believe Gods Word, you won’t understand it.” Prove it. We can actually test this. I can give you the text in another language and you can tell me what it means. Since you can’t read the text you’d be totally dependent upon God’s gift. My bet is that your interpretation wouldn’t have the slightest thing to do with the subject of the text””..

            ha ha.. Are you serious? Somehow you keep dismissing that most Christian Scholars have agreed on this issue for the past 2000 years.. Not to mention, the 50+ Scholars did a fine job putting together the KJV (I guess they were somehow to old fashioned). Do you not think that The Lord would make sure his Word was heard and understood in EVERY language?

            (Rev 5:9) And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

            You are part of a fringe that are twisting scripture. But then, God told you us you would exchange the truth for a lie.

            “”I’d rather depend upon a scholar who can read the actual text thanks.””

            Well, if you did listen to the Scholars you wouldn’t be coming defending homosexuality..

          • Chris

            “Somehow you keep dismissing that most Christian Scholars have agreed on this issue for the past 2000 years..”

            Most Christian scholars did NOT believe that you had to agree with them in order to understand them. If they had it would merely be an example of the logical fallacy known as special pleading since they wouldn’t accept such a claim in ANY other field.

            “Not to mention, the 50+ Scholars did a fine job putting together the KJV (I guess they were somehow to old fashioned). Do you not think that The Lord would make sure his Word was heard and understood in EVERY language?”

            Since the scholars were working in the 17th century and many discoveries of texts have been found since then we may consider it outdated. Its misuse of words such as ‘pim’ also mean its translation, although fine in its time is definitely outdated.

            As to scholars I listen to the scientists as well as scholars. You, on the other hand have already stated you will listen only to those who agree with you. Closed minded or what. By the way I’m still waiting for you to test your ‘gift. Another refusal will be taken as a tacit admission that you can’t do any such thing.

          • Charles

            “”Most Christian scholars did NOT believe that you had to agree with them in order to understand them. If they had it would merely be an example of the logical fallacy known as special pleading since they wouldn’t accept such a claim in ANY other field.””

            Ok. I don’t agree with every Scholar, and every Scholar doesn’t agree with me. Settled.

            “”Since the scholars were working in the 17th century and many discoveries of texts have been found since then we may consider it outdated. Its misuse of words such as ‘pim’ also mean its translation, although fine in its time is definitely outdated.””

            Right.. Outdated.. What kind of false God’s do you worship? My God is awesome. There are non like him, nor ever will be.. He doesn’t have a problem getting his Word out. Or creating Worlds for that matter.

            “”As to scholars I listen to the scientists as well as scholars. You, on the other hand have already stated you will listen only to those who agree with you. Closed minded or what. By the way I’m still waiting for you to test your ‘gift. Another refusal will be taken as a tacit admission that you can’t do any such thing.””

            I said no such thing, of course I listen to Biblical, and Historical Scholars. Some I agree with, some I don’t agree with.

          • Chris

            “Somehow you keep dismissing that most
            Christian Scholars have agreed on this issue for the past 2000 years.”

            The vast majority of Christian scholars saw nothing wrong with hatred against Jews or owning slaves for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Both were the result of prejudice. Old prejudice remains prejudice none the less.

            Do you not think that The Lord would make sure his Word was heard and understood in EVERY language?

            I can’t read God’s mind so I don’t know what He thinks. Only Fundies can do that. 🙂

            “You are part of a fringe that are twisting scripture. But then, God told you us you would exchange the truth for a lie.”

            So you’ve got a closed mind to everything which doesn’t agree with you? Boy what an ego.
            “”I’d rather depend upon a scholar who can read the actual text thanks.””

            Well, if you did listen to the Scholars you wouldn’t be defending homosexuality..

          • Charles

            “”The vast majority of Christian scholars saw nothing wrong with hatred against Jews or owning slaves for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Both were the result of prejudice. Old prejudice remains prejudice none the less.””

            Don’t have interest in that. The Lord says Love Thy Neighbor, but don’t be a party to their sins.

            “”I can’t read God’s mind so I don’t know what He thinks. Only Fundies can do that. :-)””

            Me either. That’s why God wrote his Book. Once you get to that point, line by line, precept upon precept God reveals it to you.

            “”So you’ve got a closed mind to everything which doesn’t agree with you? Boy what an ego.””

            No.. I just understand God’s Law’s. My flesh isn’t always pleased with it, but my spirit sure is…

          • Chris

            “Yet, it doesn’t say that. Male lying with a male. Doesn’t specify any one group.”

            It uses the term for people who use call-boys. Try rereading what I wrote carefully next time.

          • Chris

            “I agree, it is important to know to some degree just for study purposes,
            the language, customs, and histories. But overall it has no bearing on
            the understanding of Gods Word.”

            I’m exploding with laughter here. To quote my old history professor “unless you can read the text in its original language you’re just playing games with it.”

            You seem to think you can pick up a document written thousands of years ago, in another culture and country and read it like it was yesterday’s newspaper. Sorry that’s not how scholar’s operate.

          • Charles

            “”You seem to think you can pick up a document written thousands of years ago, in another culture and country and read it like it was yesterday’s newspaper. Sorry that’s not how scholar’s operate.””

            When did I ever indicate that? Do you not think I research? All of the academia in the world wouldn’t save you. It’s a free gift from God.

          • Chris

            “When did I ever indicate that?” When you claimed it wasn’t necessary to understand a text.

            All of the free gifts from God won’t help you if you won’t do research. And you don’t think a Christian scholar who actually knows Greek and Hebrew has those same gits from God? Except he has evidence to back up his claim since he can read the text in its original language.

          • Charles

            “”When did I ever indicate that?” When you claimed it wasn’t necessary to understand a text.””

            Never said a thing about not understanding the text.. Again, I do research thanks. It isn’t necessary for me to learn the Greek language to understand what God’s Word says. So I guess the Scholars over the past 2000 years have somehow got it wrong? ha ha..I know what God’s Word says.

          • Chris

            What you say now. “Never said a thing about not understanding the text..”

            You said it wasn’t necessary to understand the text. You can’t even understand what I’m saying.

          • Chris

            If Christian ‘A” says that the text says something and scholar ‘B’ says that the text says the same thing then how can the Christian be understanding the bible but the scholar isn’t? They are both saying the same thing.

            And again when Christians say different things how are we to judge between their interpretations? Evidence. Since evidence is a matter of comprehension then it doesn’t matter if you’re a Christian or not since both can understand. However since I am NOT making a statement concerning salvation this statement of yours “All of the academia in the world wouldn’t save you. It’s a free gift from God.” is irrelevant.

          • Chris

            Allow me to provide an illustration of the dangers of not knowing the culture and history and world-view of a text. Someone typed an English saying into google translate “the spirit is strong but the flesh is weak”. He translated it into Russian and then back into English. What came out was “the vodka is strong but the meat is rotten.”

            Just reading what may be a bad translation is NOT the same as understanding a text.

          • Charles

            50+ Scholars translated the King James Bible from the Textus Receptus.. Each proof checking the others.. The concordance is excellent. We aren’t talking about Google translations here.

          • Chris

            And yet other older texts have been discovered since their day. Thus their work is obsolete.

          • Charles

            “”And yet other older texts have been discovered since their day””

            So they say.. A little more to that story however.

          • Chris

            Older texts are considered closer to the originals and therefore more accurate textually. In addition there have been discoveries made in archaeology which demonstrate mistanslations in the KJV. For example its use of the word ‘pim’.

          • Chris

            50+ scholars in the 17th century. Knowledge has grown since then. Those pesky scientists.

          • Charles

            If Levitical Priest were still needed you would have a point. The Levite priest are no longer needed. The Saviour took care of that.

        • michael louwe

          True Christians love repentant homosexuals who “go n sin no more”(JOHN.5:14 & 8:11) n do not judge them. True Christians hate n judge unrepentant homosexuals who continue in their sin n even get married. Only false Christians love unrepentant homosexuals, murderers, adulterers, rapists, thieves/robbers, liars/fraudsters, blasphemers, idolaters, etc.

          .
          .
          1COR.6 = 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
          Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,
          nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
          .
          REV.22 =
          14 Blessed are those who do His commandments,[g] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But[h] outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

          16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the
          churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and
          Morning Star.”

          • Chris

            “True Christians hate n judge unrepentant homosexuals who continue in their sin n even get married.”

            Judge not that you be not judged – Matthew 7: 1
            Could you explain how this applies to what you’ve written?

          • Chris

            “Only false Christians love unrepentant homosexuals, murderers,
            adulterers, rapists, thieves/robbers, liars/fraudsters, blasphemers, idolaters, etc.”

            “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” It would seem that, according to you, God must be a false Christian.

          • Dee

            Christians do not hate anyone. We are commanded to love. What we do hate is the sin of fornication, adultery, homosexuality, ect…. we don’t hate the person.

          • tatoo

            But do you hate the sin of eating pork and shellfish?

          • Dee

            That is Old Testament before the veil was yore and we do not live by those commands. Everything changed when Jesus died on the cross for everyone’s sins.

          • Chris

            “What we do hate is the sin of fornication, adultery, homosexuality, ect…. we don’t hate the person.”

            So all they have to do is pretend to be something they’re not and you’ll accept them? Why do I find that less than loving?

          • Dee

            We accept all just as Jesus does. We do not condone sin. It is very simple Chris. You can try and spin any way you like, but God’s word is very clear.

          • Chris

            “You can try and spin any way you like, but God’s word is very clear.” Is it as clear as when you declared that Leviticus mentioned homosexuality as a sin? Is it that clear?

            As to not accepting the sin, does that mean that everyone shouldn’t accept your ego worship? Or do you now accept that your interpretation of the bible can be wrong? Of course if you can be wrong then you could be wrong when you declare that the bible is very clear about something. 🙂 Logic is a wonderful thing isn’t it?

          • Charles

            Not a thing wrong with the interpretation.. It’s quite clear..

          • Chris

            So you’re can’t get your interpretation wrong. Which would imply you are claiming infallibility. Which would make you an ego worshipper. Since ego worship is a sin I reject your sin. Let go of your ego worship Dee. Reject this foul sin of ego worship which has infected your life. etc. etc. I’m just loving the sinner but hating the sin.

          • Charles

            Loving the Sinner and hating the sin isn’t a Christian Doctrine.. That was quoted from Ghandi, not the Bible.

          • Chris

            Actually I was quoting Dee. But if you’re saying Christians should hate the sin as well as the sinner then Christians should hate you since you are implying that you are an ego worshipping demigod. Or is that an ego worshipping alien?

          • Charles

            Ha.. ha.. You’re funny… No, it’s clear what God says… You just don’t agree with it.. But then God told us that would happen didn’t he?

          • Chris

            So you can’t get things wrong. That is a claim to infallibility. Since only God is infallible you are claiming to be God. Since, according to you Christians should hate the sinner as well as the sin and since a human claiming divine powers is a sin Christians should hate you. QED.

            I’m afraid there’s no way out of it. You worship your own ego [and are thereby claiming infallibility and divinity] or can make mistakes. There simply is no third option.

          • Charles

            “So you can’t get things wrong. That is a claim to infallibility. “..

            Hmm.. Only one I know that declares infallibility is the Pope of Rome (Who also happens to claim he is God on earth).. I claim no such thing.. God opens the eyes of the faithful who worship him, and hardens the hearts of those who don’t. The Bible is as clear as it gets about homosexuality. Again, you don’t like it.. Don’t if you wish not to.. God gave you that choice.. But that choice is eternal, so you may with to reconsider your position on that sin.

          • Chris

            “Hmm.. Only one I know that declares infallibility is the Pope of Rome
            (Who also happens to claim he is God on earth).. I claim no such thing..

            So you can get things wrong? Including what you claim the bible is clear on.

            “God opens the eyes of the faithful who worship him, and hardens the
            hearts of those who don’t.”

            Is that why there are so many Christian denominations?

            “The Bible is as clear as it gets about
            homosexuality.”

            Except it isn’t in the Greek. Perhaps you should speak to people who can read the Greek.

            “Again, you don’t like it.”

            Amazing. Now you’re claiming to read my mind? Actually it’s your ego worship I have a problem with. Since I’m a Zoroastrian I could care less what the bible says.

            Indeed. God did give you a choice. To keep worshipping your ego and revelling in your judgemental attitude or reject this self-love. Choose.

          • Charles

            “So you can get things wrong? Including what you claim the bible is clear on.”

            This subject is clear.. It’s not wrong.

            “Is that why there are so many Christian denominations?”

            Satan is behind that. It’s goal was to scatter the Body of Christ, which of course it’s done. But it’s not relevant anyway.. If you follow the Bible, you’ll be ok. No Denomination needed.

            “Except it isn’t in the Greek. Perhaps you should speak to people who can read the Greek.”

            Besides the fact that the overwhelming majority of Greek Scholars will tell you the same exact thing. I don’t need to read and write Greek to understand what words are being used.. Hence a concordance. I’m am absolutely sure God doesn’t require you to be a Greek Scholar to understand what he’s written.

            “Amazing. Now you’re claiming to read my mind? Actually it’s your ego worship I have a problem with. Since I’m a Zoroastrian I could care less what the bible says.”

            Since, clearly the Bible says what it says very clearly on this subject. Obviously, you have a problem with it. So……………

            “Indeed. God did give you a choice. To keep worshipping your ego and revelling in your judgemental attitude or reject this self-love. Choose.”

            Ha.. ha.. Ok..

          • Chris

            “This subject is clear.. It’s not wrong.”

            I’m saying YOU’RE wrong not that the bible is wrong.

            “Satan is behind that.”

            So Satan can confuse people who are having their eyes opened by God? Then how do you know that’s not happening to you?

            “Except it isn’t in the Greek. Perhaps you should speak to people who can read the Greek.”

            “Besides the fact that the overwhelming majority of Greek Scholars will tell you the same exact thing.” Citation needed.

            “I don’t need to read and write Greek to understand what words are being used.. Hence a concordance. I’m am
            absolutely sure God doesn’t require you to be a Greek Scholar to
            understand what he’s written.”

            So you’re claiming infallibility after all. Bit confused aren’t you?

            “Since,
            clearly the Bible says what it says very clearly on this subject.
            Obviously, you have a problem with it.” No YOUR interpretation of the bible is saying this. Others interpret it differently.

            It would seem that you don’t know your own mind let alone the bible.

          • Chris

            (Who also happens to claim he is God on earth). Citation needed.

          • Charles

            “Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God….dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority….I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do…wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God, what do you make of me but God? Again, if prelates of the Church be called of Constantine for gods, I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods.” Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

          • Chris

            That doesn’t make the claim that the pope is God on Earth. At best he’s claiming to be above false gods. Maybe you should read it again.

          • Chris

            Notice the small ‘g’ in the phrase “I then being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be above all gods.” Small ‘g’ usually indicates false gods.

            Now you could argue that to claim you are above false gods in authority is to claim too much authority, and I would agree. But the pope still hasn’t claimed to be God on Earth according to this quote.

            Indeed from the Catholic Answers Forum “They [the popes] have the same earthly authority Christ would have over the Church, but they’re not gods.

          • Charles

            There’s more than just this.

          • Chris

            I’m sure there is. Please provide citation as well as the site obtained and not just the original source.

            My worry is that you thought that the quote you provided showed that the pope had claimed to be God on Earth. It did not. Please read any other quotes with the same care you would give the bible. Thank you.

          • Charles

            Since I know that these MULTIPLE statements exist, I will leave it up to you to find that out yourself. If you really want to know the truth, you’ll seek it out, and you’ll find it.

          • Chris

            Why am I being censored? What rule have I broken?

          • Chris

            “God isn’t the author of confusion.” Then why does the bible state that God deceives people?

          • Charles

            Verse?

          • Chris

            O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.Jeremiah 20: 7.

            And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. Ezekiel 14: 9

            And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2 Thess 2: 11.

            The bible is very clear [to quote you] that God deceives others. But then you must have known that.

          • Jason Todd

            Taking God’s word out of context for the purpose of blasphemy is very dangerous ground.

          • Chris

            How is it out of context?

          • Jason Todd

            Dude, enough. If you want to argue the Bible to justify homosexuality and God knows what else, do it someplace else.

            I have already made my point. I’m moving on. Do the same.

          • Chris

            So you make a claim, provide no evidence and then claim you’ve made your point? Boy.

          • Jason Todd

            My point has been made.

            Blocked.

          • Chris

            That will teach me Jason.

          • Charles

            Jeremiah wasn’t deceived, he just didn’t understand fully what the Lord told him.

            I don’t see any examples of believers being deceived.. If you are not a believer, you are subject to deceit. Just as the rest of unbelieving world is. God’s running the show.. You want the real truth, turn to Jesus Christ. He’ll deliver you from deceit. Still no confusion here.

          • Chris

            Yes I realise that Charles is always right and can explain even what a prophet thousands of years ago was thinking. Now if you’d give the rest of us your evidence.

          • Chris

            Also that still doesn’t explain how God could send lying spirits but not be deceiving others. Or did God not know what God was doing either?

          • Charles

            You were already deceived because you didn’t believe in Jesus.

          • Chris

            And you because you’re an ego worshipper. You’re turn. I must say this judgementalism is fun.

  • William

    American “Family” Association. I can use scare quotes, too.

  • C Fowler

    Prayers that this church is teaching Gods word and not the word based on what society thinks. You can’t change what is in the Bible, nor can Carrie Underwood. A sin is a sin and Homosexuality per Gods word is an abomination no matter what we here on Earth think it should be. No it’s not okay for 2 men or 2 women to marry.

    • Jean-Luc Turbo

      It’s also an abomination to divorce.

      • Amos Moses

        divorce is permissible in certain cases ….. “transitioning” or SSM is not ………

        • Jean-Luc Turbo

          Not to Jesus…

          • Amos Moses

            Yes …. to Jesus …………

          • Jean-Luc Turbo

            O.K., I give up on your biblical salad bar approach to your faith.

          • Amos Moses

            You do not know what that faith consists of …… so i do not care …………

          • Jean-Luc Turbo

            Oh no, please care. Please!

          • Glenn Barker

            If you believe your religious text, you should know that adhering to ALL of its teaching are required. If you choose a selective and/or critical approach to the reading, welcome to the doubters’ club.

          • Amos Moses

            “If you believe your religious text, you should know that adhering to ALL of its teaching are required.”

            Correct …… and despite your CLAIMING to know what that is ….. you do NOT ……….

          • Chris

            “divorce is permissible in certain cases ….. “transitioning” or SSM is not.”

            Please provide chapter and verse that mentions transexuals.

          • roygoinartcom

            Genesis chapter two and three. Nothing else made…..just man and woman.
            GOD makes no mistakes.

          • Chris

            And that’s what someone is transitioning into. They aren’t transitioning into a third sex. So your quote is irrelevant at best.

          • Chris

            “GOD makes no mistakes.” Right. So when people are born crippled, blind or dying of a genetic disorder that was God on purpose. Lovely concept of God you have.

          • Mr Cleats

            You mean the elderly gays’ club.

          • Glenn Barker

            Yep, that one too.

      • Jason Todd

        What’s your point?

        • Jean-Luc Turbo

          I made it. Keep up?

          • Jason Todd

            You did? Where and when?

      • roygoinartcom

        exactly, and everyone knows it, and if a participant is ashamed of it…….so why are they not accused of hate?

    • James Nicholas

      It’s an abomination to judge others and not to love thy neighbor as thyself. Hypocrites like you go about quoting the bible and picking and choosing what you prefer. All humans are created equal regardless of race, orientation, religion etc. If your beliefs do not align with someone else’s look away. It gives you no right to judge them and cast stones at them when you yourself are a big sinner. When the judgement day comes, the sinners will be forgiven while the fake pharisees like you will rot in hell

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    She should be rejected as an apostate. Even the Mormons have better morality than her.

    • Glenn Barker

      Are you judging her?

      • NCOriolesFan

        Since Carrie is endorsing homosexual sin then yes Grace is judging her.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Romans 1 is so right. Losing out Christianity means plunging into homosexuality.

          • Chris

            Most atheists are heterosexual. How can that be if “Losing out Christianity means plunging into homosexuality.”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Western atheists support homosexuality and all other forms of depravity just to oppose Christianity. Supporting the evil is worse than commiting the offense itself. Romans chapter 1. Something went wrong with some Western “Christians” in recent years. They are confused. White people should never have treated colored people and the people with disability in the same category with sexually immoral people. It’s disgusting. The West needs Christianity to stay sane.

          • Chris

            “Western atheists support homosexuality and all other forms of depravity
            just to oppose Christianity.”

            Sorry but that doesn’t answer the question.
            1) You claimed losing Christianity means plunging into homosexuality not merely supporting homosexuals in their persuit of equal rights.
            2) Just calling what someone does depravity doesn’t mean a thing. Prove it.

            “Supporting the evil is worse than commiting
            the offense itself.”

            Sorry but two adults in a consensual relationship are NOT evil by any standard in ethics.

            The rest is a rant and rather hard to discern its meaning at that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Read the Holy Bible. Rejection of God leads to sexual depravity especially if the people are better-off or well-fed. Today’s secular West is just another proof that the Holy Bible is correct. Being consensual means nothing; some people commit suicide and cannibalism under agreement. Those consensual conducts are wrong. In any case, Western nations must not force anyone to serve homosexual rituals.

            People have rights to the Word of God and to sane morality. Secular West got errors by placing colored people and the people with disability in the same category with sexually immoral people. That is the worst kind of racism. Skin colors and disability are not sins. Homosexuality and transgenderism are willful sins. Sin has no equal right with anything. Sin is a slavery. (John chapter 8) You must repent of your sin to get saved. Read John chapter 3.

          • Chris

            “You are wrong. Read the Holy Bible. Rejection of God leads to sexual
            depravity especially if the people are better-off or well-fed.”

            Incorrect. And if the bible says that it’s wrong. There is absolutely no evidence that rejection of the bible leads to anything except rejection of the bible.

            Being consensual means nothing;…”
            Tell that to a rape victim.

            “…some people commit suicide and cannibalism under agreement.”
            So what? I am a radical autonomist. I have no problem with someone deciding that they no longer want to live. It’s their life.

            “Those consensual conducts are wrong. In any case,
            Western nations must not force anyone to serve homosexual rituals.”

            Well you’ll be glad to know that no one is suggesting that anyone be forced to do anything. Hence the consensual part of what I wrote before. You know the thing you claimed doesn’t matter.

            “People have rights to the Word of God and to sane morality.”
            Is slavery sane? That is regulated but never forbidden in the bible. So how many slaves do you own?

            Once again I’m not interested in this racism. Thanks.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            If the Holy Bible is rejected, there is only barbarism or decadence or both. Skin-showing women seem not-minding rapes. If they really hate rape, they’d dress up in public more properly. They are not chaste since their teenage years anyway. Isn’t it why modern men are angry and chase after children instead of women because there are no maidens for marriage? Your attitude is the perfect proof of: No Christianity = No sanity and no morality.

            Yes, the West forces Christians to bake and accomodate and endorse gay weddings, against the truth and human conscience. Slavery is a common practice of all mankind. Christians abolished slavery all over the world. Study UK and US history and the world history instead of watching cartoons. Those who read the Holy Bible never stay as slaves. Literacy beats up all slave owners, both then and now.

            Chris, read the Word of God (the Gospel of John first) and live up to your name. Poor your white Christian ancestors. They did not toil to create present Sodom but a noble Christendom.

          • Chris

            Not interested in your views on race. Thanks.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You should, because today’s powerful whites are trying to enslave mankind with homosexuality instead of racism. Nazi Germany and Sodomic USA have different kinds of victims and crimes, but the tyrannical method is just the same. Prohibiting the Holy Bible and bending the people’s conscience. I don’t want to be oppressed by the Westerners for not-supporting the abnormal immorality. You guys just got rid of racism only like yesterday. Be a good Christian and give Earthlings some break, okay? Stop bullying. Stop thinking everyone has to obey the gay West. The West was respectable only when it adhered Christianity.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            If the Holy Bible is rejected, there is only barbarism or decadence
            or both. Skin-showing women seem not-minding rapes. If they really hate rape, they’d dress up in public more properly. They are not chaste sincetheir teenage years anyway. Isn’t it why modern men are angry and chaseafter children instead of women because there are no maidens for marriage? Your attitude is the perfect proof of: No Christianity = No sanity and no morality and no civility.

            Yes, the West forces Christians to bake and accomodate and endorse gay weddings, against the truth and human conscience. Slavery is a common practice of all mankind. Christians abolished slavery all over the world. Study UK and US history and the world history instead of watching cartoons. Those who read the Holy Bible never stay as slaves. Literacy beats up all slave owners, both then and now.

            Chris, read the Word of God, the Gospel of John especially, and live up to your name. Poor your white Christian ancestors. They did not toil to create present Sodom but a noble Christendom.

          • Chris

            “If the Holy Bible is rejected, there is only barbarism or decadence
            or both” Yes you’ve said. But you haven’t produced any evidence. Evidence isn’t just repeating a claim. It’s you actually showing a link between X & Y.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Evidence is this: Christian USA was good and respectable. Non-christian USA is bad and hopelessly immoral.

          • Chris

            “Chris, read the Word of God, the Gospel of John especially, and live up to your name”

            I’ve read the bible. Several times. I was a Christian and not only read the bible I studied it at a university level. Unfortunately my highest loyalty is to truth and NOT my ancestors white or otherwise.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, you didn’t read the Holy Bible. Not even once. Jesus is the Truth. ( John chapter 14) And you’ve got false education from the Nazi liberals in the university. You must utterly respect your slender Christian white ancestors because they did not abort you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, you didn’t read the Holy Bible. Not even once. Jesus is the Truth; you’d trusted Him if you read anything. (John chapter 14) And you’ve got false education from the Nazi liberals in the university. You must utterly respect your slender Christian white ancestors because they did not abort you.

          • Chris

            “If the Holy Bible is rejected, there is only barbarism or decadence
            or both.”

            All you have is opinion after opinion. Evidence you have none.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            USA is the evidence of my opinion. Christian USA was good; it was honest and worked hard and rescued all the troubled nations by feeding and fighting courageously. Non-christian USA is bad; it blasphemes other people’s serious religion and kills human babies and forces homosexuality on others and tries to live on another men’s money.

          • Chris

            “Your attitude is the perfect proof of: No Christianity = No sanity and no morality and no civility.”

            Indeed your attitude is. I’m afraid I have little tolerance for intolerance. Have a good day.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Wake up, Chris. Rich whites are trying to enslave mankind by forcing homosexuality and bending the sane conscience. Tyrants have unmistakable patterns. Enough warped amusement and atrocities. Only fools become enslaved again by today’s Western pervs. Racists and communists had better morality than today’s perv Westerners. Well-fed West is suffering from boredom that accompanies mental illness. Whatever, no more slavery. Read the Holy Bible and become human again. You Westerners are neither good or intelligent apart from Christianity. Just wake up, okay?

        • Glenn Barker

          Then it sounds like, according to your biblical standards, Grace should cut it out.

      • john doe

        Go read your comic books.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Those who endorse homosexuality cannot be Christian. True Christians never live in unrepentant sins. 1 John chapter 1-5.

        • Glenn Barker

          So that would be a yes.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jesus commanded His people to judge what is right and wrong. You should stop judging me. You are in your own fallacy.

  • Scott Davenport

    I am so sick and tired of hearing from these weak minded non confrontational women on this most sickening sin…the nastiest of the Sins I might add. Sure makes it hard to get any of ’em the help they need, and we’re not going to be seeing any of these perverts in Heaven…..

  • Robbin Page

    We as Christians need to pray for her so that she will follow GOD’s word as it is meant to be.

    • James Nicholas

      she is following god’s word. shes an amazing human being, who donates to the poor, cares for others and spreads love and joy through her amazing songs. Question is, are you following god’s word?

      • Penny

        Most Celebrities donates to the poor it’s in their contracts, does she deny herself and spend time with the Homeless? How does she help them?? does she sit down and eat with the homeless get to know them…I have done this why haven’t she?

      • Dan Williams

        It’s God’s word. But I’m sure you knew that. You don’t seem to respect it. God says homosexuality is a sin.

        • 51franco

          The Bible says it. You have no idea what God is saying. These are two
          different things

        • Chris

          No. Some one said that God said that homosexuality is a sin.

      • NCOriolesFan

        No one gets to heaven on works. Only faith and repentance of sin gets entry to Heaven.

        • Chris

          What’s doing good got to do with trying to get into heaven on good works?

  • michael louwe

    It is very foolish of Carrie Underwood to condone the sin of homosexuality n homosexuals/LGBTQs bc they r …….
    .
    ROMANS.1 =
    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[c] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, HATERS of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[d] unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

    • Chris

      Ah my favourite passage. That’s the one where Paul claims homosexuality is caused by idolatry. Since science has shown homosexuality can start in the womb that means the fetus’ must be worshipping idols in there. Sneaky aren’t they?

      • rvandegrift

        Actually, there is no good science proving or disproving the origin of homosexuality. As such, it continues to be a choice.

        • Chris

          No good science? Do you define ‘good’ science as science which agrees with you? However good science or no we can dismiss Paul’s contention that homosexuality is caused by idolatry.

        • Chris

          Or do you think homosexuality in animals is caused by them worshipping idols too?

        • Chris

          “Actually, there is no good science proving or disproving the origin of homosexuality. As such, it continues to be a choice.”

          If the origin of homosexuality hadn’t been proven then it’s origin would be unknown. Not a choice as you claim.

      • roygoinartcom

        where is that scripture found that state it can start in the womb?

        • Chris

          It’s found in science. You know that pesky thing that fundamentalists hate so much?

        • Chris

          Here’s some findings from that pesky science thing “US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetic.”and in another part of the article “US researchers are finding common biological traits among gay men,
          feeding a growing consensus that sexual orientation is an inborn
          combination of genetic and environmental factors that largely decide a
          person’s sexual attractions before they are born.”

  • The General

    Someone claiming to be more inclusive than God is has some issues.

  • HpO

    QUESTION: If the name of a Passion-2017 participant is Carrie Underwood, and the sin she’s implicated in is same-sex marriage, then what about all the other participants – and this American Family Association (AFA), too, for that matter?

    ANSWER: Here’s how a listing of such names and the corresponding sins would look like – to which I say, Let God be the judge! – of them all, and not just Carrie Underwood:

    (1) Carrie Underwood
    – same-sex marriage

    (2) Louie & Shelley Giglio
    – extra-biblical direction revelation
    – Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP)
    – Lectio Divina
    – New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)
    – homoppression
    – popery

    (3) Christine Caine
    – New Age
    – Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP)
    – mysticism
    – prosperity gospel

    (4) Beth Moore
    – Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP)
    – extra-biblical direction revelation
    – popery
    – Lectio Divina

    (5) John Piper
    – Lectio Divina
    – New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)
    -Christian Hedonism
    – popery

    (6) Levi Lusko
    – prosperity gospel
    – Skull Church & Crush Lounge: death culture & sadism
    – gospel of God murdering Jesus

    (7) Francis Chan
    – Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP)
    – mysticism

    (8) David Crowder
    – popery
    – Lectio Divina
    – Contemplative/Centering Prayer (CCP)

    (9) Hillsong UNITED
    – popery
    – Chrislam

    (10) American Family Association (AFA)
    – hypocrisy by endorsing Walmart
    – racism
    – Islamophobia
    – anti-Semitism

  • Coach

    The passion conference is a festival of idolatry, so what if John Piper speaks at it, God is no respecter of persons. In addition to her hatred for God’s marriage standard, she also sang about a false gospel “something in the water” is all about the false gospel of baptismal regeneration. Sadly, this apostasy will grow more and more before the gospel flourishes here and these people will persecute the true Christians more than isis. Stand firm on the Word of God no matter the cost, that’s my prayer as should be the cry of every believer’s heart in these times.

    • NCOriolesFan

      Don’t forget she also called Bible usage as “hate.”

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Wildmon is absolutely spot on. Whether or not Underwood should be shunned is one issue but whether or not she should be allowed to lead in worship at an event like this should be NO question!! Personally, I think ever true Believer and Bible-believing church should “put her out” for her disobedience/rebellion to Scripture. Obviously, we can’t expect her apostate church to do the right thing but God says in His Word that these false teachers should be marked and avoided. That is the loving thing to do!

    Which brings me to Underwood’s comment “Above all, God wanted us to love others. It’s not about setting rules, or [saying] ‘everyone has to be like me.’ No. We’re all different. That’s what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other. It’s not up to me to judge anybody.”

    I am so sick and tired of that LIE!! First off, the “above all” is a lie. Secondly, STOP perverted what “Love” is!! For Underwood to sit there and approve of a sin that will result in eternal torment in the Lake of Fire is about as UNLOVING as one can get!!

    And third, somebody really oughtta tell her that she’s admitting to not being a Christian by saying it’s not up to her to judge anybody because Christ COMMANDED His followers TO judge. So obviously she’s not a Christian since she doesn’t think it’s up to her to obey Christ.

    Finally, all one has to do to see the affects of Underwood’s theology and preaching is to look at the comments under this article on Facebook. The false teaching, twisting of Scripture, and outright lying about what God says makes up the majority of comments much of the time and it’s frankly pathetic!!

    Where are the churches anymore that make disciples and hold Christians accountable for what they believe, how they speak for God, and how they represent Christ and The Body??????

  • Sgt. York

    Underwood has shown her back to God. She will dwindle to nothing,so be it.

  • rvandegrift

    Ms. Underwood is like so many “Christians” today who do not fully understand the truth of God’s word and twist partial passages to meet their needs. The Bible clearly states God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve; and that we were to procreate which homosexual relationships preclude. Christ even took a stand when he admonished that God meant for a man to leave his mother and father and to cleave to his WIFE as one! Those who preach/teach otherwise are purposefully changing the sacred word and should they not come to God’s intention and repent will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven.

  • roygoinartcom

    how is the quotation of what the scripture says considered hate?

  • Imaybewrongbutimmostlyright

    This is HERESY. This is changing the word of God into a LIE. We should have NO FELLOWSHIP with the UNFRUITFUL WORKS OF DARKNESS! Our job as disciples of Jesus, is to MAKE DISCIPLES! Not to “coerce” the children of disobedience into attending our “Church services”!!! Preach THE TRUTH! Louie Giglio is a HERETIC. Get away from them! He is an unrepentant, lover of WHAT GOD HATES! Mark him as a liar! That’s the Church’s problem! We insist on amalgamation and blending with the World and its perversions, when God’s entire counsel of his Word declares SEPERATION! Carrie Underwear is a false Christian! Period! Stephen in the Book Of Acts, DIED because he would not shut up about declaring TRUTH! Louie and Carrie are THE OPPOSITE of Stephen! They pat the Devils on the backside in affirmation! Love isn’t what the WORLD declares! This is the love God has ALWAYS BEEN, and in which those who shook their fists at God’s Commandments and his desire, WERE DESTROYED! God is perfectly comfortable with the disobedient MISUNDERSTANDING his LOVE! He changes NOT! He is still the God who will judge those who lied, disobeyed, and obstructed his Word, to hell, and God will STILL BE THE DEFINITION OF LOVE!

  • Rev. James B. Medd

    Stand for what the glorious word of God says. Get militant for Jesus Christ, proclaim the
    truth, stand upon it. Forget about stepping on other people’s toe’s. Pay the price, declare
    the truth. This is not a crybaby situation.

  • Rob Watkins

    last days apostasy… simple… Maranatha! and God Bless America again! goooo POTUS MAGA!!