Jimmy Carter Says He Can’t ‘Judge’ Whether or Not Man Is Christian Despite Doubts About Resurrection

Former President Jimmy Carter, a professing Christian who teaches Sunday School at a Baptist Church in Georgia, told liberal op-ed columnist Nicholas Kristof that he can’t judge whether or not someone is a Christian despite their doubts about Christ’s virgin birth and resurrection.

In his April 15th piece in the New York Times entitled “President Carter, Am I a Christian?” Kristoff inquired of Carter whether he could be considered a Christian despite his skepticism over some of the biblical account of Christ’s life, including that Jesus physically rose from the grave.

“What about someone like me whose faith is in the Sermon on the Mount, who aspires to follow Jesus’ teachings, but is skeptical that he was born of a virgin, walked on water, multiplied loaves and fishes or had a physical resurrection? Am I a Christian, President Carter?” Kristof asked.

“I do not judge whether someone else is a Christian. Jesus said, ‘Judge not,'” Carter replied. “I try to apply the teachings of Jesus in my own life, often without success.”

He also outlined during the interview that while he personally believes in Christ’s virgin birth and resurrection, he does not accept the six-day creation of the Earth.

“Having a scientific background, I do not believe in a six-day creation of the world that occurred in 4004 B.C., stars falling on the earth, that kind of thing,” Carter explained.

Later, Kristof explained that he takes issue with Christianity because of its exclusivity, that is, that one can only be saved from the wrath of God through Jesus Christ. He asked Carter whether he believes someone like Indian independence movement leader Mahatma Gandhi is really in Hell because he did not place his faith in Christ.

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Carter said that he doesn’t believe he can make that judgment and would prefer to give the benefit of the doubt.

“One of my problems with evangelicalism is that it normally argues that one can be saved only through a personal relationship with Jesus, which seems to consign Gandhi to Hell. Do you believe that?” Kristoff asked.

“I do not feel qualified to make a judgment. I am inclined to give him (or others) the benefit of any doubt,” Carter replied.

According to reports, Gandhi would not leave Hinduism because he believed that “to be a good Hindu also meant that I would be a good Christian. There is no need for me to join your creed to be a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus or try to follow His example.”

Carter has raised eyebrows in recent years over his other statements about Christianity, such as in 2015, when he told the Huffington Post that he believes Jesus would approve of same-sex “marriage,” and really, “any love affair.”

“I believe Jesus would. I don’t have any verse in Scripture,” he said. “I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that’s just my own personal belief. I think Jesus would encourage any love affair if it was honest and sincere and was not damaging to anyone else, and I don’t see that gay marriage damages anyone else.”

Despite his beliefs, Carter still refers to himself as a born-again Christian.

Jesus said in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by Me.” Romans 10:9 also outlines, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”


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  • InTheChurch

    Carter does not know if he is going to heaven. He might not have Christ either. LOL

    • Amos Moses

      yeah … but not funny …. sad …….

      • InTheChurch

        It is but he knows the truth and he still can’t see it.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    He also supports Sodomy. Liberals are universalists and not real Christians.

    • Robert

      Just something to think about .
      King David kept concubines his entire life .scripture says we are not even to give a hint of having sexual immorality. It also says sexual immoral people will not inherit eternal life. David having concubines was more than just a hint of sexual immorality … Yet God was merciful to David and allowed him to keep his saving faith in Jesus who would come and save him from his sins .

      • PastProdigal

        Concubines were allowed back then, because mankind had drifted from God’s perfect laws. But He did not intend for it to be that way. It wasn’t considered a sin. David repented of his sin with Bathsheba. He was no long, “in sin”.

        He didn’t just have “saving faith” in Jesus. Jesus came into the world through his bloodline.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          King David did know Jesus and believed in Him. He was a prophet like Abraham was. He wrote many psalms concerning Jesus. The OT era believers were saved by believing in the coming Messiah. We believe in the Messiah who has come and is coming again.

        • Robert

          No concubines and no divorce. Would have led to the murder of spouces
          For any reason. It was not because they were not sinful things They are back then and now to

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        David was never Born Again and indwelt with the Holy Spirit. You say David having concubines was more than just a hint of sexual immorality. Please cite the Chapter and Verse to support that supposition.

        David never had a “saving faith in Jesus”.

        Also, please cite your Chapter & Verse for the Bible saying that about a wicker of saving Faith. I’m not saying one way or the other yet as I’ve just not seen that in Scripture that I can recall.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          The OT era believers were saved by believing in the first-time-coming Messiah as Abraham did. We believe in the Messiah who has come and is coming again.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s not true, Sister. The OT era Believers were saved by faith. The same as all are. Their faith was in the promises of God. This is most clearly seen in Genesis 22.

            There there are MANY things that pointed to Christ in the OT, such as for example the sacrificial system, far too many preachers have taken those foreshadowings and inserted a theological doctrine that does not exist. When Aaron, the High Priest, stood in the Tabernacle He was, most definitely, a picture of the true High Priest that would come but the People never knew that. They put their trust in the promise delivered to them and believed they would be forgiven base don what they’d been told.

            Just go back and read the first 5 Books of the OT.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, that’s what I mean. The OT believers got saved by believing in the coming Messiah who was signified by all those.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I don’t think you understood me Grace. The OT believers did NOT get saved by “believing in the coming Messiah”. They got saved by faith in the promises of God at that time.

            Eph. 2 – we are all saved by “faith”. God saved the OT believers because they put their “faith” or “trust” in what He told them at that time., There was no mention of a “coming Messiah” at that time.

            God saves on “faith” today but that faith must include the promise of God as it is today which is that Christ is the Lamb of God (as opposed to the lambs in the OT) and He is the full and final sacrifice once and for all.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, God promised the Saviour from the very start, since the time of Adam and Eve. (Genesis chapter 3) No one can get saved apart from Jesus. (John 14) Therefore it is Jesus the OT believers placed their faith in and got saved, though they have not known His name yet.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            True, God promised the Savior from the start. And you are correct in that no one “can get” saved apart from Christ. That is the NEW Covenant. But we’re talking about the OT believers. Go back and read Genesis 22. Abraham was saved by his faith in God’s promise and NOT in the coming Messiah.

            “Therefore it is Jesus the OT believers placed their faith in and got saved, though they have not known His name yet.”

            Just read that again. One can NOT “place their faith” in one they do not even know.

            And, technically speaking, we are NOT saved merely because we place our faith in Jesus. Even Satan and His demons believe in who Jesus really is and know Him. And there are MANY, perhaps most, self-professing Christians who have placed their faith in a ‘jesus’ that is NOT Jesus.

            Technically speaking we are placing our faith and total trust in the finished work of the Cross that Jesus accomplished. We are trusting wholeheartedly with everything that it is Christ who was the final sacrifice. Ergo, the last sacrifice once and for all as the Lamb of God. Just as the OT people who were saved placed their faith in the promise of God when they offered their lambs.

            I’d suggest you also read Numbers about the Serpent on the Standard. What saved the People then? Looking at the serpent on the pole? NO! It was their faith in the promise the Lord had given to Moses and Aaron and that they delivered to the People.

            You’re wrong Sister and I hope that clears it up for you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, I think we mean the same thing. When the OT believers took God at His word and believed in Him, they believed in the One whom He will sent. Both the OT believers and NT believers are saved by trusting in Jesus, since everything in the OT signifies Him. Hebrews chapter 1.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No, unfortunately we are not saying the same thing. The OT believers were not believing on Jesus. They were under the Law. Not Grace. Go back and read your Bible as I’ve suggested 3x now. There is NO mention to the Patriarchs, Noah, Moses, the People or anyone else of a Messiah. The Abrahamic Covenant was based on the Law and the Sacrificial System.

            There were NOT trusting in Jesus.

            Hebrews 1 says nothing to remotely indicate they were.

          • Just chipping in here – being under the law does not mean you can receive an inheritance from the law.
            Galatians 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Good point. And to be clear, which I thought I was but want to emphasize, I have NEVER said that one was saved by the Law. That’s contrary to the purpose of the Law.

            What I said and still say is that Man has always been saved by Grace thru Faith. I don’t know how that could be anymore clear than the three times in the NT where both Paul and James say, ““ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” All referring back to Gen. 22.

            And btw, I think you know that. I put that there just to reiterate for the other 2 that don’t.

          • Robert

            the old testament people were saved because the holy spirit worked faith in their heart that Gods promises of tha savor from would come amd save them .the only differemce they looked ahead for Jesus to come and we look back on Jesis who d ome amd save us all. there is no other way to be saved except through faith in Jesus. John 3:16 17,18,
            Deal with it.

          • Robert

            thanks for standing up for Jesus kim. stand up stand up for Jesus you solders of the cross.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you so much. The Lord bless you, too.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            We know Moses and Elijah made it to heaven.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They believed in Jesus. Moses prophesied that Jesus would come.

        • Robert

          david was born of God !you cant be born of God with out the holy spirit working faith in you About Jesus isiah chapter 53, youronly savior from your sins.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong. Read your Bible. David was not Born Again. Isaiah 53 is a prophecy of the COMING Savior.

            Even then, the Sacrificial System stayed in place and the People were not saved on a belief of what would come but rather what was being DONE.

            I suggest you find a good Bible-believing, Bible-teaching church where you can submit to godly men as your leaders, (as commanded to do so) and be properly discipled.

          • As you next read the Bible completely, look out for the phrase “call on the name of the LORD”. It’s all over in the old testament, and appears by way of explanation in the new. (And if you’re not seeing it, use the KJV, which has not been censored to dead letters by modern critics.)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Seen it many times. The word “LORD” is Yehovah. So I can’t tell if you’re agreeing or disagreeing with what I’ve been saying but that would support what I’ve said.

            Which btw is well substantiated and supported by Jude 25.

            Oh, and JFI, I use the KJV along with about 20 other translations. If you haven’t heard of “eSword” I highly recommend it and would strong suggest checking it out. Terrific resource!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Man is saved by believing in Jesus alone for all time. When people trusted in God, they trusted in Jesus, the One God was going to send. Royce, may I ask your denomination?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You’re wrong Grace. Man is saved by GRACE through FAITH. That is what God says. I’ve given you the Scriptures. That’s all I can do. If you’re too stubborn or unwilling to read them then you’ll have to answer to God for that. You’re problem isn’t with me but God. The Scriptures are clear. And it’s not just the OT either. I listed 3x in the NT where God says that Abraham was credited with righteousness because of his faith. That is referring right back to Genesis 22.

            I am a Christian. No other denomination except perhaps a Protestant as I believe Man is saved by Grace alone thru Faith alone. And I believe God’s Word. NOT what some denominational tradition might say.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, the faith in Jesus Christ and in none else. Faith in anyone else or in anything else is futile; it cannot reach God or be accepted by Him. John chapters 8-16, Acts chapter 4 and chapter 16, Romans chapters 6-10, Galatians chapters 1-3. Hebrews chapters 1-6. The salvation method of God for mankind has never been changed.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No, the faith is in God and for NT Believers in what Christ has done. You are speaking falsely for God, Grace. I suggest you take that more seriously than you are.

            BP above cited Hebrews 11 and he’s correct. That settles it and it could NOT be more clear.

            It is correct that the salvation method of God for mankind has never changed and you simply don’t understand it. Do not think you are glorifying Christ by misrepresenting His Word. You are not.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The OT believers were saved by believing in Jesus Christ whom everything they knew about God points towards. There is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ for all era. What Jesus said about Himself is eternal and universal, and there is no exception to it. Neither Jesus or His disciples and the Bible writers in the Holy Spirit differenciated the salvation method for mankind. Read the entire Holy Bible.

        • Robert

          yes he did you cant be a man of Gods own heart woth out Jesus. God the almighty Son.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong. Read your Bible.

          • Robert

            Google Christ in the old testament watch those people by chapter and verse proclaim faith in jesus who would come and save them ☺

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ok. I did. And it’s not there. Are there prophecies of the coming Messiah? Of course. Is there anything showing that the people of the OT were putting their faith in Christ to save them? NO.

            I gave you the Scriptures. I referred you to the Bible to read for yourself. You’ve offered nothing but your opinion.

            A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. Just know this, when you speak falsely for God, He does NOT take it lightly.

            Oh, and btw, on the few occasions where the Lord Jesus may have actually appeared to Man, NOT ONE of them fell at His feet and proclaimed “Savior!”

          • mamabear111

            G-d said : He counted

          • mamabear111

            H counted them righteous because they believed G-d and OBEYED HIM

          • Robert

            Believed God about Jesus the whole reason god even gave us the bible. He did not give us his Bible to show us his Soverinty God not a igo manic.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I think I understand what you were trying to say above. Just to be clear and accurate, God said he accounted or “accredited” righteousness to Abraham because he BELIEVED. See Rom. 4:3, Gal. 3:6, and Jam. 2:23.

            Now, that said, it must be noted that “belief” is always connected to and associated with “obedience”. One will do what they believe. This concept is easily seen throughout Scripture and clearly upheld with James 2:19 where it says that the devils believe and tremble.

            So yes, you are correct. I just didn’t want to leave it that God’s Word specifically states something it doesn’t. Though it is and should be clearly understood.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Huh?

          • Robert

            After rethinking all this Royce and seeing what’s it doing to you .I decided to be the better born again christian and I have to let you buy my Friendship . No need to thank me though or reply until you have scrapped to gather enough money to that. Your soon to be best buddy robert.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Matt. 15:12, Lk. 6:45

          • Robert

            Mark 10:21 beats those we both win.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean or why you think this is some sort of a contest. As for winning, I won a long time ago when the Lord Jesus Christ became my Lord and He made me a new creation.

          • Robert

            Well that’s wonderful Royce. But I never doubted you were not a believer in Jesus even for a milli second. And I can’t think of any wrong you ever done me. Sorry for the wrongs I did to you. So how much money is it going to cost me now to rent you as a buddy ? I only want to rent you as one for a minute or so . just to say I had one once . And he was no fun at all.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
            (Pro 26:4)

          • Robert

            You can’t get my Goat Royce not even its butter or milk this won’t even help you get your own goat back from me .I think if you don’t start playing nice with others I’m going to butcher your goat.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
            (Pro 26:4)

            BP has already confirmed what I said and put your argument in the garbage disposal, ground it up good, and flushed it down the drain. Hebrews 10 nails the case shut. YOU LOSE!

            Of course you’ve shown that with every one of your posts. Matt. 15:18 and Lk 6:45.

          • Robert

            . New covenant beats old covenant. Mark 11:25

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

            And Matt. 7:6 applies to you now too.

          • Robert

            Have a great rest of the week Royce. You asked me once what bible our church uses .we use the Just finished.
            Wartburg Project Bible called The evangelical heritage version . Gods blessings.

          • Robert

            You can’t get my Goat Royce not even its butter or Milk this won’t even help you get your own goat back from me.I think if you don’t start being nice. Im Going to butcher your goat.

        • Robert

          David was born again in the biblical meaning of born again not in
          Ryries sence of the word.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s a lie. I don’t know what bible you’re reading but it’s not in the Bible. And I never spoke of Ryrie sense of the word. I speak of the Jesus sense of the word when He told Nicodemus that he MUST be Born Again. To be Born Again is to have the old Jer. 17:9 heart removed and replaced with the new Eze. 36:26 heart. To be a NEW Creation in Christ and INDWELT with the Holy Spirit.

            David NEVER had that.

            Go to the Bible and read it. And for the record, I use Bible Gateway along with about 2dz Bibles and 20 some Commentaries.

          • Robert

            call me a lier that’s not very born again of you. David was born again more than you are he is in the bible as a man after Gods own heart I don’t find you there if any ones lacking proof its you not David 😂

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thanks for showing yourself as a Poser. Again, you’ve offered nothing.

            First off, I did NOT call you a Liar. I called what you said a lie. And it was and is.

            Secondly, you’ve now proved that you are a Poser for you have just stepped in the shoes of God and decided to definitely state that I’m not Born Again and that David is was not is. LOL

            Thirdly, I am in the Bible. Not by name but definitely by reference in Eph. 2:13 and Mark 16:16, Rom. 5:9-10, Rom. 10:9, and others.

            Early on I suggested you you find a good Bible-believing, Bible-teaching church where you can submit to godly men as your leaders, (as commanded to do so) and be properly discipled.

            Now I strongly suggest it. While you’re at it I suggest you also do a little study on what God has to say about those who speak falsely for Him and use His Word to falsely teach others and lead them into disobedience. Not to mention being a false prophet in assuming the omniscience to deny that I’ve been Born Again and therefore a false accuser of the Brethren. Which speaks volumes as to who you follow.

            Here’s a hint: The penalty for a false prophet was death and they only got to be wrong one time!

          • Robert

            I said David was born again more than you are .I never said you were not born again I even gave the reason so. Since his proof is better than yours .so get them lying key board fingers of yours born again to would ya. Lol

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for publicly showing you have NO concept of what it means to be Born Again.

            And thank you again for showing your a Poser who is too proud to take the admonishment to get into a Bible-believing church, submit to godly leaders, and be properly discipled.

            So, I strongly recommend you read Matt. 7:21-23 because your showing all the fruit of one standing in line.

          • Robert

            The verses you gave proves David born again . because that what a man after Gods own heart is all about .Thanks I see it even clearer now with verses you gave .

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

            Just like the apostates do. Just like the Homosexuals who see Scripture so much clearer now.

            God’s Word IS clear for those who have eyes to see. David was a man AFTER God’s own heart. NOTHING in that even remotely states that he was Born Again, a NEW Creation in Christ, and indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

          • Robert

            Very Impressive some one taught you how to cut and paste portions of the bible to use against people you don’t !ike . Is that your only proof your born again? Is that what your preacher taught you or did you come up with it all on your own..?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for the compliment and thank you for the mischaracterization of my use of the Bible. Jesus said that would happen too.

            More importantly, thank you for the public display of your utter Biblical bankruptcy and knowledge of Biblical truth.

            I understand it’s easier for to fire off your feckless fiery darts than to actually backup what you say with Scripture. I understand because you simply can’t.

            Now, while I appreciate the blessing, you can go back and stand in your Matt. 7:21-23 line.

          • Robert

            UNLIKE YOU MOST BORN AGAIN PEOPLE DO NOT USE SCRIPTURE YOUR WAY TO SPEW OUT THERE HATE FOR SOME ONE THEY DISAGREE WITH You and your preacher and church need to study the bible more. Because the scriptures you posted . Do not win souls over to Christ And.they just make other Christians shake their heads and think you belong to a control freak cult scripture always has before and after versres that explain the context these verses are used. Unlike you most people don’t use scripture to spew out there hatered forward others

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You’ve already shown you have NO clue what it means to be Born Again so I’ll take your comments in light of that. LOL

            But I do appreciate you exercising your faux omniscience and self-imposed deluded god-complex further by bringing my pastor and church into the discussion. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I always appreciate it when the Posers reveal themselves and bare their fangs only to completely discredit themselves.

            “Unlike you most people don’t use scripture to spew out there hatered forward others”

            Oh yeah, we can all see the Love that’s just oozing outta you! LOL

          • Robert

            Do you really have to use So many thoughtless and mean words just to tell me your not going to be my buddy And I should not expect a Christ mass present from you this year either .

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I assure you they weren’t thoughtless. If you find those mean, I’d say ya need to go back and read your own words.

            Be sure to take a chainsaw to the Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket first.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            John 3:5 explains the HOW of being born again very well.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Perhaps but some take that verse wrongly by not understanding it and placing too much emphasis on the “by water”.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Water must be involved in some way.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, checkout some good commentaries.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            That’s a super resource! It makes it easier for me to find something in Italian or Spanish first.

        • BuckeyePhysicist

          I think the entire eleventh chapter of Hebrews covers this.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes! Thank you. Ironically, our pastor actually read that in his sermon today. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’ll make any difference to Robert.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            I’m not sure who Robert is but maybe a quick read through Hebrews 11 might help him. Props to your pastor for going through what I think is the most difficult book in the New Testament.

            We read from Acts 2, 1 Peter 1, and John 20 yesterday.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        David didn’t demand anyone to support polygamy. Men are weak, but polygamy is unacceptable to the NT era Christians. One-man-and-one-woman-marriage alone is God’s original design and His will for mankind as Lord Jesus declared. Polygamy had been overlooked for a time in the OT time probably to lessen the severe human miseries before Jesus came. God is merciful.

        • Robert

          God hated polygamy always just as he hates divorce.Moses aloud such things so people would not murder their wives so they could get new ones.for sexual and other reasons.

          • Chet

            You’re struggling very hard to justify homosexuality as being acceptable behaviour. It is not and you will find no verse in the Holy Bible to do so, but, rather, condemnation as the abomination it is… Nor can one find support for fornication. What God has declared He has so declared. It is what it is and there’s no getting around SIN, period…

          • Robert

            Yes I’m struggling so hard that I agree with you that homosexuality is evil and always has been evil in Gods eyes😀

          • Chet

            Thanks.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            There must be some reasons for polygamy to be overlooked for a while in the OT era, such as starvation’s threats. Illiterate men are horrible, but nothing is worse than starvation. The coming of Jesus changed everything.

          • Robert

            Sin was not overlooked its reported that even Abraham had sex with Sarah helper girl at Sarahs own biding .

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It was an ancient custom to leave an heir by a female servant if the wife was barren, even for a security reason. They did not ask God and used the bad humanistic methods. People do such things all the time even today when the Word of God is clear.

          • jstan442

            it was to solidify peace agreements between israel and the countries surrounding her–God did not agree with it but He permitted it til Jesus came to teach ‘1 man, 1 woman’

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Canaan was wiped out because they were child-abusing pervs. Read Leviticus chapters 18-20. God wipes out irreversible human evils according to His sovereign will, using floods, fires, foreign forces, or whatever He chooses. The marriage between one man and one woman has been God’s only will and design for mankind from the very beginning. Read Genesis 1.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

            for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.” ( Acts chapter 17)

          • peanut butter

            Many main characters had more than one wife. Abraham was one of them. And Isaac bore two nations through two different wives, Israel and Islam, through Jacob and Esau, respectively. It was all in the plan. Planned polygamy. Doesn’t sound like hate to me.

          • Robert

            Sin wasn’t in Gods plan yet Gods foreknowledge of peoples sinful natures and actions make it impossible for sin to ruin his plans God reporting sin By those leaders is not the same as him condoning those sins.

          • peanut butter

            Even if it is the one who is sinning.

          • Robert

            Yes and who does not Sin daily by commission or ommission in either thought word or deed.

        • peanut butter

          And it could have been because there were not that many people on the earth and he allowed it to replenish the earth.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No. Adam and Eve alone did a good job. Polygamy is not needed to populate the earth at all.

      • You say “God … allowed [David] to keep his saving faith.” Think about it. That makes no sense. If it was “saving”, but not kept, then it did not save. If faith saves, but does not save eternally, then the “saving” was a lie. Adding “saving” to faith sounds oh so intellectual, but it’s not biblical – you’re just adding works. Much as wickedness should be avoided, salvation is neither by works of righteousness, nor by works of avoiding sin.
        Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
        1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
        Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

        • Robert

          even the tinyest God given faith in Jesus is so much much better than the very largest faith in some one or some thing else because it saves people. its saving faith. Deal with it. its never going to change.

        • peanut butter

          You are out of context with the last one. “Ye are saved by grace… that could be the end of the sentence. It is not ‘by’ faith, it is ‘through’ faith. Faith is only a vehicle of the ability to accept.

          • You say the free gift depends on our works, our following and our effort and our emulations and our showing. That sounds like a great way to miss the grace of God, and set out to save yourself by your works.
            Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
            Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

          • peanut butter

            Christ said he would save us ‘from’ our sins, not ‘in’ our sins. We have to make an effort not to sin. I said nothing about works. But faith without works is dead, so, yeah, we need to do works to show that our faith is alive. And our works follow us into heaven, so they are an important part of the whole process. But I never said they would get you into Heaven, even though we will be rewarded for them, evidently, or the Bible would not mention them following us there.

            James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
            18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

            Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

            Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

          • You say we need to do works to show that our faith is alive. Whom do you want to show? Do you want to show God? Does God not know them that trust in him? What if we fail to show him adequately? Do you want to show men? Will men save you? Do you want to show yourself? Will you save yourself?
            Nahum 1:7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.

            (And you don’t sin any more, except lying about whether you sin? That must be a lot of work!)

          • peanut butter

            If you can’t read the scriptures that explain what I said, I feel for you. And I didn’t say I don’t sin any more. We all sin, but there is a path to repentance that Father in Heaven set forth when He sent Jesus to die for us.

            One more time:

            James 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
            18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
            That’s not me talking, it’s scripture.

            And: Don’t be so judgmental. You will be judged with the same judgment you dish out.

          • I would be interested in your answer: to whom are you trying to show your faith?
            As you do sin, how can you suppose your works are a necessary part of your salvation? Your will is not perfect in doing those works, but the salvation that God gives is perfect:
            James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
            Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

            Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

          • peanut butter

            But you are getting off subject further and further with your scriptures. I’m not trying to show my faith to anyone, that would be trying to please man, not God. But I can guarantee that if you hid and saw me performing my works, you would know I have faith. Are you just lazy and don’t want to accept or go by scripture? I have shown you the truth. Accept it or not, it’s your choice. But don’t tell people that you don’t have to have any works. You are just not supposed to boast, that would be doing it for man. When we open our hearts and are serving our fellow man, we are in service to God. “If you have done it to the least of these, you have done it unto me” ~ the words straight out of the mouth of Jesus Christ. Now, go back and read your Bible with the intent of finding how you can be of service instead of making excuses for your idleness. And you are not judging righteously, you are simply arguing for argument’s sake, because you long so hard to be right..

          • You say you will show your faith to me – so to man. But showing me things is not how you are saved, so why did you mention it? Your words “straight out of the mouth” of Jesus Christ are missing a few words:
            Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
            These are not my scriptures 🙂 I’m not looking for an excuse for idleness – I’m looking for the proper reason to work – not for salvation, but for reward. Jesus purged our sins by himself without any work from us, yet he comes with a reward:
            Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

          • peanut butter

            I didn’t say I would show you anything. That was scripture. No more pearls before swine. You are trampling them underfoot.

          • You wrote “But I can guarantee that if you hid and saw me performing my works, you would know I have faith” – i.e. if I secretly observed you, you would show me your faith by your works. I think my comment was fair. (Isn’t it wonderful though how you and I think the same thing about swine?)

          • peanut butter

            No… if you hid you would see… not that I would be showing you anything, you would be seeing it for yourself. You are a one hit wonder. Outy. ’nuff said

    • Louie

      Grace, good to see you. I still love ya, and liberal and Christian are still not mutually exclusive terms.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Thank you. Were we together in Christian Post before? How can any Christian support the abortion-murder and homosexual depravity knowing those are sins? Impossible. 1 John. Believing in indulgences seems to be less guilty than that.

        • Louie

          Yes Christian Post…..in my country Grace our leaders….Conservatives, Liberals and Trumps…..fail to meet the standards of the Sermon on the Mount.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read the text. Jesus taught repentance of sins. Western whites lost their wits completely by losing the Christian teachings and equating the colored and the sexually depraved this century.

          • 1 Kings 8:47 Yet if they shall bethink themselves in the land whither they were carried captives, and repent, and make supplication unto thee in the land of them that carried them captives, saying, We have sinned, and have done perversely, we have committed wickedness;
            Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
            Luke 3:3 And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;
            Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
            Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
            Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
            Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
            That’s repent…sin in the Bible. I’m looking for ‘repentance of sins’ and not finding it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Amen

    • Peter Leh

      And you support the prohibition of race mixing. I guess we all have our short comings?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Prohibition of inter-racial marriage is wrong, but those who dislike it should not be branded as racists, either. It is normal for anyone to leave the offsprings after his own kind. It is a natural desire for self-preservation, not racism. In a normal circumstance, man should seek a virgin bride of lifetime from among his own race and take care of his own family well.

        • Dianne

          Hi Grace, please read Acts 17:26 and get off the “self-preservation” kick.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, exactly. God established the boundaries. Human races are God’s creation. Read the Book of Revelation, too. Man should not force inter-racial marriages. When the Westerners stop pushing the homosexual depravity by linking it to inter-racial marriage, much of the world’s griefs will cease. The Westerners and the youth who promote inter-racial marriage also uphold sex with anything, therefore they can never be trusted until they become moral.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I knew that you wouldn’t read Acts 17:26 nor would you comprehend the FACT that ALL PEOPLE ARE OF ONE BLOOD AND ONE RACE. The HUMAN RACE. So now I will spell it out for you. Please READ AND MEDIATE on Hod’s word as it is written. You definitely need an attitude adjustment.

            Acts 17:26 And hath made of ONE BLOOD ALL NATIONS of men for to dwell on ALL THE FACE of the earth, and hath DETERMINED TGE TIMES APPOINTED, and the bonds of their habitation;

            WE ARE ALL DESCENDANTS OF THE SONS OF NOAH.

            Genesis 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: AND OF THEM WAS THE WHOLE EARTH OVERSPREAD.

            Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye TRANSFORMED BY THE RENEWING OF YOUR MIND, that ye may PROVE WHAT IS THAT GOOD , and ACCEPTABLE, and PERFECT, WILL OF GOD.

            Please stop with the condescending tone about westerners. There are EVIL WICKED and PERVERTED people EVERYWHERE ALL OVER THE WORLD. Mankind is FALLEN! Romans 3:23 For ALL SINNED and FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD;

            Please use your energy in PRAYING FOR OTHERS TO BE SAVED, SET FREE AND DELIVERED by the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. This will PLEASE GOD.
            1Timothy 2:4 Who will HAVE ALL MEN to be SAVED, and to come unto the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I read it. God does not encourage inter-racial marriage anywhere. Spirituality and the opinions on inter-racial marriage are not related because God made different nations and peoples. Read Revelation 7. You should work to stop the present Western notion of attacking their normal Christian ancestors and establishing of homosexual depravity, if you are Christian.

          • Dianne

            Grace, you really DO NOT understand the scriptures or you would NOT be speaking such foolishness. God created man in HIS image Genesis 1:27, God destroyed the people in the world during the time of Noah because of SIN Genesis 6:13, God’s ANGER KINDLED against Moses’s sister Miriam because she spoke against Moses’s Ethiopian wife and struck her with leprosy Numbers 12:1-10. The works of the FLESH are clearly outlined in scripture Galatians 5:19-26 of which NO ONE who practices them will inherit eternal life. Homosexuality has been practiced ALL OVER the world in every culture including the ancient cultures (Sodom and Gomorrah). There is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN Ecclesiastes 1:9
            Your constant condescending mannerisms will find you OUTSIDE of the kingdom of heaven. Please read Luke 18:9-14 Not everyone who says Lord, Lord , shall enter into the kingdom of heaven Matthew 7:21-23
            Homosexuality isn’t the ONLY SIN that will get you thrown into the LAKE OF FIRE Matthew 25:41, Revelation 20:14-15, Revelation 21:8
            God has only told us NOT TO BE UNEQUALLY YOKED WITH UNBELIEVERS. 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 And NEVER has Hod forbidden interracial marriages.
            Asian countries have done abominable practices against woman, the unborn ( forced abortions in China) abusive treatment of biracial children, IDOLS EVERYWHERE and a WHOLE LOT MORE, including those who practice harlotry, adultery, homosexuality and lesbianism.
            Christ was manifest to DESTROY the works of the devil 1 John 3:8, Christ did NOT come to condemn the world but: but that the WORLD through HIM might be saved. John 3:17
            I strongly SUGGEST that you humble yourself like a little child or YOU WILL NEVER ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Matthew 18:3

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I did. Those who dislike inter-racial marriage should not be branded as racists. Not every nation is like the USA. Desiring for marriage within the same race is not racism but something natural. The Western culture is sinful in that it endorses homosexual depravity and transgender mental illness. People have rights to morality and sanity. Every culture has defects. Today’s West needs to get fixed by the Holy Bible, too, as all others do.

          • Dianne

            Grace, YOU NEED TO STOP WITH YOUR OBSESSION with western culture. Marry who you want as long as you marry in the faith if you are a Christian. Marrying the opposite sex is NATURAL.
            If you are waiting for the Western culture to stop with immorality you are wasting your breath. All cultures commit sexual immorality and evil men and seducers will wax worse and worse until ALL EVILDOERS WORLDWIDE are destroyed by God. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth. That is our blessed hope.
            Please read
            2 Timothy 3:13
            Also please give it a rest with the finger pointing. When you point at others with judgement there are three fingers pointing back at you. Matthew 7:1-5

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Agreed, but the Western culture controls us all. It’s not finger-pointing. I want the Western people to stop listing the races and the sexual depravity together; I believe that’s the culture’s blind spot. This my freedom battle point. You don’t need to write me.

          • Dianne

            Grace, Even Jesus prayed …” nevertheless not my will, but THINE, BE DONE.” Luke 22:42

            I am praying that you will fully comprehend what the Bible reveals to us and that you will stop FINGER POINTING and demanding as you said ” I want”.

            Reality is 1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the WHOLE WORLD LIETH IN WICKEDNESS.
            Therefore it is Satan that controls the kingdoms of men and not the WESTERN WORLD as you have incorrectly believed to be true. Also please read:
            Luke 4:5-7

            God’s will for us is the Great Commission Matthew 28:18-20

            Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but he that WINNETH SOULS IS WISE.

            Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get UNDERSTANDING.

            Grace you do not need to reply to me unless you are more interested in airing your own judgements instead of being a humble and submitted servant of the Lord Jesus Christ giving yourself to praying for all of mankind.
            2 Peter 3:9 Tge Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING TGAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL should come to REPENTANCE.
            Please meditate on these scriptures and find peace in them and quiet your soul.
            Proverbs 18:2 (KJV) A fool hath no delight in UNDERSTANDING, but that his heart may discover itself.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you. Pray for your own civilization that it will stop hurting the global children by installing the insane homosexuality and transgenderism. That’s the news I get. The West is pushing the abolishment of morality and it is the real global tragedy and child-abuses. You must do something for evangelism and freedom this era if you are truly Christian. I retain my freedom to post comments. Talk to Non-believers so that they will meet Jesus and get saved. You don’t need to read my comments if you don’t like those.

          • Dianne

            Grace, JUDGE NOT, that ye be not JUDGED. For with what JUDGEMENT ye JUDGE, ye SHALL BE JUDGED: and with what MEASURE ye mete, it SHALL BE MEASURED TO YOU AGAIN.

            And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest NOT THE BEAM IN THINE OWN EYE?

            Or wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, A BEAM IS IN THINE OWN EYE?

            THOU HYPOCRITE, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou SEE CLEARLY to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Matthew 7:1-5

            And when HE ( the HOLY SPIRIT ) is come, HE WILL REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN, AND OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and of JUDGEMENT.
            John 16:8

            Grace YOU ARE NOT the HOLY SPIRIT.

            Grace, A (closed-minded) fool does NOT delight in understanding, But only in revealing his personal opinions (unwittingly displaying his self-indulgence and his stupidity).
            Proverbs 18:2 (AMP)

            There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the WAYS OF DEATH. Proverbs 14:12

            Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof. Proverbs 18:2

            As long as you reply to me, I WILL RESPOND BACK to you. You can count on it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Amen to the Holy Scripture. Diane, I think you are the one who is judging me. You are not supposed to call your fellow believers fools( Matthew chapter 5). And remember we are not talking about petty personal problems here but global issues. Jesus also said, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” ( John chapter 7) Non-judging is not unconditional command at all. We Christians evangelize unbelievers and admonish one another, but we must also address the society’s barbarism to protect people especially children. (Micah 3, Proverbs 24)

            Peter Leh falsely accused me, but he is the typical problem stemmed from Westernization and liberalism. If you are a healthy Christian, you’d have talk to Peter Leh instead of me. If any Christian should follow you, everyone would have to just shut up. I don’t think you are in step with the Holy Spirit. Don’t silence your fellow Christians by quoting the Scripture that applies to only Non-believers. You are at a falsehood by treating Christians as Non-believers; read the Holy Bible again to find out in what occasion such thing is allowed. We all have different experiences to help each other.

          • Dianne

            Grace, your judgement against the Western culture and your FAILURE to see that our war is against Satan and not people Ephesians 6:10-18 shows me that YOU DO NOT RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH.
            Two thirds of all SEX TRAFFICKING occurs in Asian countries. Are you as impassioned about seeing that stopped as you are about the western culture encouraging homosexuality? Your HYPOCRISY will be scrutinized as foolish when you Find fault against others in this world whom Jesus died on the cross for. Your consistently haughty and smug remarks shows that you are a fool and unwise regarding the will of God for all of mankind. SIN is a human problem worldwide and not just in certain parts of the earth.

            Jesus called people fools (Matthew 23:16-17), King David (Psalm 14:1), Paul (Galatians 3:1), Job replied to his wife (Job 2:10).

            ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS:
            That the man of God maybe perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

            Sexual Immorality in South Korea: Rape at record highs, sexual harassment reported by female high school students up to 45.5%.
            Prostitution brought in an estimated $14 Trillion South Korean won (Korean currency).
            Sex Trade trafficking, adultery, fornication, masturbation, pornography (mostly shipped in from Japan), and homosexuality.

            LOOKS LIKE South Korea just like the west is plagued with the fallen sin nature of ALL MANKIND.

            Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

            2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show yourself APPROVED unto God, a workman that needeth NOT TO BE ASHAMED, rightly dividing the word of TRUTH.

            The WHOLE world will become WORSE in the last days Matthew 24,
            2 Timothy 3:1-5

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, all nations are sinful with no exception. I know it’s Satan, yet the American fathers fought against the British army for freedom and independence. Our fathers of faith did something physical, not just spiritual. Go to Korean or other Asian newsites and post the Scripture verses and your findings and comments if you want. I choose this American Christian newsite to post the Scripture verses and my observations and comments.

            All the Scripture passages you quotes apply to you and to your attitude, too. Examine yourself. You have no business shutting me up here, especially using handler’s name. I’m sorry if I hurt you by saying things against the USA your home country or your Western civilization. I love the USA like my own home country, too, and the Western civilization. Most of my favorite theologians and heroes and friends and books and music are from the Western Christendom.

            If the USA goes on pushing the mental illness, Sodomy, and pedophilia, many other nations on earth lose morality and freedom and children get ruined, because nations are America’s servants for now. You have no idea how much the USA controls everything on the planet. We pray, study the Word, evangelize, admonish one aother, do missions, and do whatever we can to stop the era’s barbarism.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I am and will address you here and not any Asian or Korean website because it is you that is replying to me.
            Your sanctimonious duplicity is appalling as you have hypocritically deflected by invoking a man YOU NAMED AS ” Peter Leh” in this discussion with you. Then you Continued with your condemnation by saying ” typical problem stemmed from westernization and liberalism.”
            Your hypocrisy is so deep that you are BLINDED TO IT and that is shameful. You still have a HUGE BEAM INYOUR OWN EYE. Matthew 7:1-5

            Furthermore, if it wasn’t for the AMERICAN TAXPAYERS (saved and unsaved) who are paying the the $1 Billion cost of THAAD Anti-missile system in South Korea you too might have to eat grass to survive or worse if Kim Jong-un had his way with all of Korea.

            Grace WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE over the persecuted church in MOSTLY Middle Eastern countries and Asian Nations.

            Where is your OUT CRY for all the Sex trafficking that is perpetrated in Asian countries (2/3 of this immoral despicable practice carried out in Asian countries)?

            Where is YOUR OUTRAGE at the MILLIONS of women in Muslim countries and other nations where ACID THROWING and genital MUTILATIONS?

            Where is YOUR OUTRAGE over the Continous Sins in YOUR OWN NATION?

            WHERE OH WHERE IS YOUR FINGER POINTING OUTRAGE OVER ALL THE ATROCITIES COMMITTED WORLDWIDE.

            Are you crying for those who are persecuted for the GOSPEL OF CHRIST even in Korea?? Revelation 6:9

            It is time for you Grace to have equal weights and balances in the LORD. Proverbs 16:11, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 23:12,13 and Luke 14:11

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Dianne, if you are going to personally stalk and attack individuals like this online, you need to reveal your real name. I’m not going to listen to you at all because you are doing a cowardly thing here. Play fair like a real American. Until then, whatever you say is invalid except for your quotation of the Holy Scriptures. Read them for yourself, too.

            The entire world should be indeed thankful to the USA for protection and freedom and democracy for many decades, but there are rumors that the USA is causing military conflicts on purpose to gain more money, even sacrificing the life of US soldiers. I think the USA did her best until the Gulf War, but I’m not sure how true her action has been after that. The USA has changed in virtues and priorities and honesty in recent decades.

            South Korea may have no money to pay; I have no idea why they are not willing to pay. South Korea may want to look good to China – I don’t know. God protects Korea and other nations as He so wills, not the USA. Nations can do only their best to survive.

            I pray about and write comments on the persecutions and atrocities in the Middle East and Asia as well, not just on this page or this news site. I regularly ask people to pray for North Korea’s liberation. As I said before, you should stop judging me. I write elsewhere, too.

            I just perceive the current West’s push of same-sex marriage and pedophilia as the greatest crisis on Planet Earth for now because Asians and the youth mimick the Westerners in everything without thinking. Colored Sodomy-supporters are the real slaves of the Western pervs this century. That fact must be pointed out.

          • Dianne

            Hi Grace,
            Dianne is my real name and that has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH MY COMMENTS to you. The fact that you call our discussions “stalking ” is a ridiculous attempt on your part to deflect from the FACT that you came on this Christian website to point your finger of condemnation and judgement against the Western culture which I have repeatedly shown you in scripture is NOT THE HEART OF GOD. We as Christians have an obligation to pray for everyone without condemnation. We all were once unsaved and in need of mercy and forgiveness from God. The Lord showed us mercy and grace through Christ Jesus as we were convicted of our sins and repented. God changes hearts as we pray for those who are still blinded by the god of this world who is SATAN.
            God does not want us distracted my blaming nations of wrong doing, but instead HE wants us in intercession ” tearing down strongholds and every proud argument that EXALTS itself AGAINST the knowledge of God” 2 Corinthians 10:5

            For the WEAPONS of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the tearing down of strong holds. 2 Corinthians 10:4

            Jesus gives us the keys to the kingdom Matthew 16:19

            Grace you need to do an in depth study on spiritual warfare so that you can come to the full understanding of how to effectively do this without condemnation which often alienates people from coming to Christ. You MUST REMEMBER that we are NOT WARRING AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD.
            Ephesians 6:10-18

            For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
            For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:8-9

            Mercy triumphs over judgement. James 2:13

            Please do not allow Satan who is the accuser of the brethren to keep your focus on the wrong doings of other governments. All governments WORLDWIDE ARE CORRUPT. People run governments and their souls need saving. Pray for the people to be saved from Satan’s grip and that is what will bring deliverance in the earth. We are living in the last days and many people are not saved yet. We need people to pray and intercede on behalf of the lost like never before. Jesus described the last days before his return as being the worst ever in all of human history Matthew 24, so let’s get busy winning souls for Christ.

            Google the song ” Mighty to Save” By Hillsong United on YouTube
            This song may help in softening your heart towards the lost in all nations and give you a vision of the heart of God.
            Part of the song that I truly love is
            ” Everyone needs forgiveness
            The kindness of a Savior
            The hope of nations”

            1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge those those who are inside?

            Leave the judgement of nations to God and let us win souls for the kingdom, shall we?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I request your last name. I’m not charismatic and I no longer trust Hillsong because they are lenient towards the homosexual depravity. Their leadership sounds apostate now. Acceptance of homosexuality is such a disease among the Westerners. What went wrong with you guys, casting away the Word of God? Give me your last name to come back. You seem to be someone who are trying to silence conservative Christians. And please make your comment shorter. You cannot tell me what to do unless you reveal your last name to me.

          • Dianne

            Grace, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF! No ONE EVER has to give their real or full name on a commenting blog EVER! Do you UNDERSTAND???

            Pray for Hillsong United, they certainly need it badly these days. However I was trying to show you a song that might help in your understanding of the heart of God. You can google the lyrics as well.

            Homosexuality is a sin and so is LYING, cheating, stealing, cussing, fornication, adultery, bestiality, IDOLATRY etc…..

            Your country is FULL of IDOLS. Are you crying out to others about worshipping them? That sin will send people to hell too. Are you alerting people in your country about the EVIL PRACTICES of Shamanism? Almost 46% of your nation considers themselves to be irreligious. Are you crying out about the judgement of God there? No, you need to win souls for CHRIST and stop behaving like a PHARISEE!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You should not attack people personally online using your partial name; that’s quite Un-christian. I know the Hillsong’s song. Thank you. Homosexuality is worse than all other sins today, because the Western culture is trying to enslave mankind with homosexuality, abolishing religiuous freedom and morality and corrupting the children on earth. West’s homosexuality causes pedophilia and the evil must be opposed by all normal mankind. Yes, I pray for Asia and am evangelizing the local people. Reveal your full name and then tell others what to do.

          • Dianne

            Grace, the only bullying is coming from you!! Do you see FULL NAMES POSTED BY OTHER COMMENTERS?? No YOU DO NOT. No one is EVER REQUIRED TO DO SO, and you will not BULLY me into doing it. I hadn’t hope to show you some wisdom regarding spiritual warfare and God’s heart about saving the lost. I hate the sin of homosexuality too. I hate all sins of sexual immorality and all the other ones listed in the Bible, another BIG ONE is LYING so be careful with your tongue. However I know that finding fault in any particular part of the hemisphere where people dwell is the NOT the problem. Satan is our enemy and it is him that our warfare is against. Ephesians 6:10-18. I will war against him until my time here on earth has ended.
            However it is quite obvious that you are too narrow minded to get any understanding. May God help you before the Day of JUDGEMENT, because I truly believe that unless you humble yourself and repent of your critical and judgemental ways, you may hear Jesus say ” I never knew you, depart from me, you that work iniquity.” Matthew 7:21-23 (Jesus was speaking to those who thought that they knew him because they were “religious”)

            If you are a TRUE CHRISTIAN, who is a disciple of Christ then you will truly understand what I am saying. If you are not then with you is continual confusion.

            Matthew 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

            With all your getting, get UNDERSTANDING. Proverbs 4:7

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are attacking people too personally. Don’t do that with a fake name if you are true Christian. I don’t need to listen to you when you do that because you are unreal but attack people. You need humility, too. Look at yourself. Amen to your Scripture quotations; apply them for yourself.

          • Dianne

            Grace, You are talking like a foolish woman. Job 2:10
            How then comfort ye me in vain, seeing in your answers there remaineth falsehood? Job 21:34

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, true, but your level of communication requires your real name and openness of your account. You are not being fair in staying in your own safety bubble and attacking people. That’s why I can’t trust in your health as a Christian, no matter what you claim.

          • Dianne

            Grace, PROVE THAT REQUIREMENT for this blog.

            Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteousness witness. Keep thee far from a false matter; Exodus 23:1,7

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It’s the way you talk with me here. You should write independent comments instead of attacking people while concealing yourself. I’d never discover how you slander me because of your concealment. That is unfair and also a malice. Also, I’m a believer but you are listing verses that apply to non-believers. You cancel out your validity by your own cowardice.

          • Dianne

            Grace, Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is ESTEEMED a man of understanding. Proverbs 17:28

            For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and TREMBLETH at my word. Isaiah 66:2

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You must not conceal yourself and slander. That is Un-christian. Period.

          • Dianne

            Grace,Though you grind a fool in the mortar, grinding them like grain with a pestle, you will not REMOVE their folly from them. Proverbs 27:22

          • Dianne

            Grace, PROVE to me that I have slandered and that I am required to disclose my information
            (full name) and by whose AUTHORITY must I do so.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read your own comments. The Charismatic Christians I’m with are much nicer than you. You really can forget about me; it’s true I’m very foolish. If you are going to go after specific individuals, it’s only fair for you to disclose about yourself. It’s honesty and a common sense. If you are doing what is right, you should not hide yourself. If you think it’s too dangerous for you to reveal your own full name online, then don’t single out and attack others personally like you did to me.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I pointed out your finger pointing, condescending and condemning attitude and now you are playing the victim. Try re-reading your own posts. You really are a hypocrite. And you made comments that are full of false accusations and erroneous demands. You are full of mendacity and you have used religion as a cloak of maliciousness.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Say whatever. I’d listen to you only if you tell me who you are. Write independent comments.

          • Dianne

            Grace, you wouldn’t listen to anyone’s godly counsel because you are a manipulative individual. This is a discussion forum open to the public where people are allowed to post under any name they chose that will go through provided that their name is not duplicated. But you should already know that since you have been commenting for a long time online. As I said before.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I never single out individuals like you do. You should not do that especially under a false name. If you care for me enough to risk yourself, then I will listen to you. Western kids attack Christianity here; I must speak out for their Christian forefathers and for freedom; it’s my calling. I do evangelism (local and online) and local charities, too.

          • Dianne

            Grace, you are the most manipulative female that I have ever met online. You lying tongue is obvious as you have continued to make false accusations that you CANNOT prove and you continue to make demands that are NOT REQUIRED by anyone. You have made up your own rules so that you can control this conversation which is going no where. Your lack of the fear of the Lord (Provebs1:7) is obvious because you have continued to lie and make up ridiculous excuses for your erroneous behavior. Your lack of discernment is obvious to me because if I where an unbeliever I would not bother to post so many scriptures, nor would I care about the winning of souls (John 3:16,17) as I posted to you in numerous posts. I am shaking my head at your pathetic attempts at dodging your own culpability. You are a fault finding individual and that is ingrained in your nature.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I’m a fellow believer, Dianne. Speak against the barbaric dog-eaters in Asia if you’d speak against someone like that.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I will pray that ALL EVIL committed by the children of men will cease. Satan is our enemy and that is who you should be fighting against in your “War room”. Asian culture has eaten cats and dogs for centuries and that should cease. Maybe if you show them a better way through scriptural application with a heart of love for them they will listen. One convert at a time. 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Good. Now you are talking like a real Christian sister. Amen to your comment. Yes, Satan is the enemy and he and his evil servants are the ones whom God’s people are really dealing with. (Phillippians chapter 4)

            Dianne, it’s only the last 150-200 years that human population exploded and therefore the creation’s grief increased immensely, whatever Asians have been eating for centuries. Torture of creatures is unacceptable. Heinous deeds must be brought up to attention until those get abolished.

            The Holy Spirit makes conversion of human souls; I can’t convert anyone. Secular atheists blaspheme too much I’m being careful about bringing up subjects. I do love them and pray for them. I quote the Holy Scripture when I see some of them ready by being-not in a mockery mood.

            I do share the Gospel always. Don’t be upset with me too much. As an America-loving old colored female with a pagan national background, I think I can talk to unbelieving Western kids here in a way not many Western Christians would. Nowadays, white Christian males get singled out attacks. We Christians should stay together.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I have been speaking as a real Christian all along, but it is you that is questionable. Please stop with your brash mockery. Read Proverbs 3:34
            You are incorrect about the Holy Spirit making “conversions of human souls.” If that where true then Jesus would not have given us the Great Commission. Matthew 28:16-20.
            It is the Holy Spirit that “convicts the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement.” John 16:8

            James 3:1 ” My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Okay. Thank you.

          • Dianne

            Grace, you are quite welcome. 😇

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Word of God – Micah 3:1-12, 4:1-2:
            “And I said, ‘Hear now, O heads of Jacob, and you rulers of the house of Israel: Is it not for you to know justice? You who hate good and love evil; who strip the skin from My people, and the flesh from their bones; who also eat the flesh of My people, flay their skin from them, break their bones, and chop them in pieces like meat for the pot, like flesh in the caldron.’

            Then they will cry to the Lord, but He will not hear them; He will even hide His face from them at that time, because they have been evil in their deeds.

            Thus says the Lord concerning the prophets who make my people stray; who chant ‘Peace’ while they chew with their teeth, but who prepare war against him who puts nothing into their mouths: ‘Therefore you shall have night without vision, and you shall have darkness without divination; the sun shall go down on the prophets, and the day shall be dark for them. So the seers shall be ashamed, and the diviners abashed; Indeed they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer from God.’

            But truly I am full of power by the Spirit of the Lord, and of justice and might, to declare to Jacob his transgression and to Israel his sin. Now hear this, you heads of the house of Jacob and rulers of the house of Israel, who abhor justice and pervert all equity, who build up Zion with bloodshed and Jerusalem with iniquity:

            Her heads judge for a bribe, her priests teach for pay, and her prophets divine for money. Yet they lean on the Lord, and say, ‘Is not the Lord among us? No harm can come upon us.’ Therefore because of you Zion shall be plowed like a field, Jerusalem shall become heaps of ruins, and the mountain of the temple like the bare hills of the forest.

            Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, ‘Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.’ For out of Zion the law shall go forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.”

          • Dianne

            Pride goeth before DESTRUCTION, and an HAUGHTY spirit before a FALL. Proverbs 16:18

            “The legs of the lame are not equal: so is a parable in the mouth of fools.” Proverbs 26:7 King Solomon

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You should stop judging people and read the Holy Scripture properly.

          • Dianne

            Grace, I will continue to JUDGE with righteous judgement (John 7:24) a FINGER POINTING HYPOCRITICAL person like you. Please read the prayer of Daniel 9:8-19 if you get what I am trying to say and humble yourself before the Lord instead of your obsession with finger pointing towards the West.

            Proverbs 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD’S: ALL the weights of the bag are his work.
            Get the mind of Christ and cry out for the souls of men who are fallen in SIN worldwide and then your ways will PLEASE THE LORD!!!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you. Yes, I prayed with Daniel chapter 9. Amen to the Holy Scripture. You cannot name-call others as long as you are under a fake name. Apply the Holy Bible to yourself, too, and play fair. The West’s installment of homosexuality/pedophilia is abnormal, and it leads the entire world astray so it needs more attentions and warnings. If you reveal your real name, I will consider your words as valid. If you are not going to, don’t try to silence others because you are simply bullying me. Risk yourself in telling a truth, then I will trust you.

          • Dianne

            Hi Grace, yes Dianne is my real name. Making false accusations against me is very uncouth of you. I know that you have been on the Internet leaving comments for long enough to know that MOST PEOPLE USE PSEUDO-NAMES. So please do not use this as another ploy at deflection from the real topic at hand. So cut out the cheap shots. It makes you look silly.

            NEWS FLASH!!! Homosexuality/pedophillia has been a sinful practice since the fall of man. This EVIL is worldwide.

            Do you know of the practice of Bacha bazi? This despicable homosexual/pedophile practice is done in Afganistan involving sexual relations between older men and younger adolescent boys (ages 11-16 called “chai boys). Look that up and scream!

            Every NATION under the heavens has perversions. Evil doers who do not repent will find themselves one day burning for all eternity in the lake of fire. Revelation 20:10
            We must remember that it is WRITTEN
            ” VENGEANCE is mine; I will repay, saith the LORD.” Romans 12:19

            Begin praying for those bound by this sin to repent and be delivered. Also pray for those who agree with this practice even if they say that they “personally” would not do it. These people who promote these practices are just as guilty as those who do it and they need to repent as well.
            Romans 1:32

            Soul winning for Christ is the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20) and the fields are white unto harvest. John 4:35

        • Peter Leh

          ” In a normal circumstance, man should seek a virgin bride of lifetime
          from among his own race and take care of his own family well.”

          For ALL TO READ

          • Dianne

            Peter Leh, Your statement is YOUR OPINION and IS NOT ACCORDING TO GOD’S WORD.

            For ALL TO READ!

          • Peter Leh

            IS Dianne now supporting a “pure race”? Oh dear….

            Some things my dear Dianne… is indefensible.

          • Dianne

            Did I say that Peter? Nothing in my post even hinted of that. It is you that said that. Please clarify yourself if that is NOT what you meant.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Why? Your parents would have believed this and established the nation. Playboys sleep with anyone or anything and dissolve the nations.

  • Japheth Limpid

    Actually there are Bible verses to support a third destination: Annihilation.
    Those whom have never heard of the Gospel and has lived life reasonably will escape hell but perish (annihilation) instead.

    John 9:41 [Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.]

    John 15:22 [If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.]

    These Bible verses support the position that God judge on a sliding scale

    Luke 12:48 [But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. ]

    James 3:1 [My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation..]

    Thus to reconcile these 4 verses, it is reasonable to believe some people can escape eternal fire.

    The perfect sinless standard (seen as righteous by God) mentioned in the New Testament is pointing to God’s requirement of how one can obtain eternal life; in which nobody with their own strength can achieve. That status of righteousness can only be obtained by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ (imputed righteousness)

    Going to Heaven requires exclusively by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ.

    With this position, I believe we have a more reasonable position in defending the exclusivity of Christ.

  • Polish Bear

    Carter is Exhibit A for “Christians, don’t be sucked in my politicians who claim to be born again.” Evangelicals supported him in 1976, and by his 2nd run in 1980 we were thoroughly disgusted. There’s no doubt he spent a lot more of his life in church than Reagan did, but that’s no reason to vote for him. The race last November was kind of a repeat – Hellary attended church much more often than Trump, but she was still the wrong choice.

    • wblyons

      “The Arabs”, you mean like The darkies or The spics ? And Trump hasnt taken millions of bucks from The Arabs? What about the golf course his two sons opened recently in Dubai? You are not a racist by any chance ?

      • PastProdigal

        Accepting payment from someone for building something is not the same thing as taking money from them for support or donations for your charity or some such thing.

        Sounds like you have a problem with blacks and latin-based peoples yourself.

      • Polish Bear

        The term “Arabs” is not racist.
        I did not use any racist terms in my post.
        You did. So I flagged your post. We don’t need that kind of derogatory language here, it’s very degrading.

  • Robert

    The sermon on the mount shows every persons sins.
    They are law not gospel . Blessed are the meek the humble the peace makers etc. How many times we have failed to live up to these laws proves we deserve nothing but sin and death and hell. BUT Jesus set aside his crown and lived them perfectly in our stead wining us heaven.

    • PastProdigal

      No. They are standards, things we should strive for, but they are not law. The Ten Commandments are Law.

      • Robert

        well keep striving the blessed Rs they only will show your sins your faults . as the scriptures say in Romans Gods laws always do. im Lutheran enough to know though that a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. even if you were to google is the sermon on the mount law or gospel.

      • The sermon on the mount points to God’s coming Kingdom on Earth- nothing to do with standards that have to be complied with- look around you and read the scriptures, these principals are diametrically opposed to the world’s.

  • Robert

    The beginning of every Heresey from evolution to rejecting Christ rose bodly can be found in genesis 3: when the devil said did God really say. IS THAT NOT really what we hear all sorts of people saying even Jimmy Carter saying also did God really say Jesus did that walking on the water? WELL YES HE did The bible tells me so.

  • cadcoke5

    Of course, we cannot know a person’s eternal destination, since we can’t see their heart like God can, or even know if their might be a deathbed conversion. But, we are commanded in scripture to make judgments concerning those who claim to be Christian and who teach a different gospel, or live ungodly lives. There are MANY such scriptures, e.g. Romans 16:17-18 2 John 7,10-11 1 Corinthians 5:9. If we fail to do so, we are permitting those who teach a man-made religion to masquerade as teachers of the truth.

    As somewhat of an aside, we can say the false teachers lead someone away from salvation, and directly to Hell. We can say that their lives are characteristic of someone who’ is not saved. But, that is different from saying they, themselves will be in Hell. However, note that some may make statements that may sound like someone who has crossed the line into taking God’s final judgement role. But, often you can see in the person’s other statements that they don’t intend this. Rather, they simply expect the listener to understand the unspoken additional phrased, “Unless that person repents…”

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Wrong.

  • Robert

    CARTER thinks he is a peace maker
    Truth is he causes war and rebelion in God’s church . He is not very humble meek or mild about it either.

    .

  • Robert

    Jimmy Carter is at war with what God has said and does any one think God thinks he is humble meek or mild about it here either ?

    • PastProdigal

      The Sermon on the Mount is not impossible to live up to.

      The Ten Commandments are impossible for us to keep completely. That’s why He had to take our place.

      • Robert

        so you want Jesus to accept your works of living up to those be attitudes . your out of luck hate to tell you Jesus only accepts perfect works as perfect as if his own Father in heaven did them Mathew 5:48

  • Robert

    Carter is right about not Judging people if they have saving Faith in Jesus or not .yet we can and should judge the person’s doctrines. And warn them that evils doctrines threatens is a danger to faith in Jesus while having and keeping all the bible’s doctrines strengthens and preserves faith in Jesus

    • Amos Moses

      like we should be warning Jimmy ………

      • Robert

        he is baptist were lutheran he wont listen to us. we could just run him over with a car or somrthing but then i would just have to blame you for it all .when the cops come. lol

    • PastProdigal

      It a person does not believe in the Five Basic Tenants of Christianity, they cannot be in the Faith.

      • Robert

        Justification how God forgives is the reason God even wrote the bible. every other bible doctrine guards that doctrine and justfication guards every other bible doctrine if the devil even steals one bible teaching away he is that much closer to stealing away how God has forgiven you.

      • Trilemma

        What are the Five Basic Tenets of Christianity to be in Faith?

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      No, Carter is not right and neither are you. Jesus is right though and I’m sticking with what He said.

  • L2Talk2

    God is One, revealed to us: Father, Son, Spirit. The Bible is God’s word and is true from Genesis to Revelation (All Scripture is God-breathed…2Timothy 3:16). God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days–He’s a big God! The virgin birth and resurrection occurred and are true, He is the living God, though others are welcome to follow their dead gods. Any complaints about exclusivity are simply rebellion against God for He invites ALL people to believe…after all, He is the Creator and He is the gatekeeper of His heavenly home, just as you are of yours.

    • Robert

      yes lets look at some of Jesus own deciples THE only one that did not cut and run when the rubber met the road was John the beloved. Look at petter the chicken betrayer or douting thomas. if God let us Judge they would be in hell rigt now and we next. God knows the whole story we only see glimpses of other peoples lives. we cant create in people saving faith in Jesus we cant tell the hypocrets believers. we are like James we can only justify people by what we see.”God is not limited like we and James God justfies the ungodly” romans 4:5 . And brings even us to heaven through faith in Jesus even if neighbor declaires your no christian because he heard or saw you do such ungodly things.

  • PastProdigal

    Poor Jimmy.

  • Reason2012

    If someone admits to_killing others, we’re not judging to point out God says if we do not repent we will end up facing judgment.

    Likewise, a person who denies Christ’s divinity, and the miracles He performed, which is also doubting God’s Word, God shows us in His Word such a person is an anti-Christ.

    John 3:18 “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

    Carter better think twice being a “teacher” – God’s Word points out teachers will receive the greater condemnation for their falsehoods, more so teaching others that God’s Word has falsehoods that cannot be trusted.

    James 3:1-2 “My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.”

    “Having a scientific background, I do not believe in a six-day creation of the world that occurred in 4004 B.C.

    Putting aside the exact year he states, 4004, Jesus has the most perfect scientific background, and He believes God did what He said He did, in six days, just like even the Ten Commandments point out.

    Matthew 19:4 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,”

    Exodus 20:9-11 “Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

    There’s plenty of evidence that shows the Earth cannot be as old as evolutionists need it to be and it’s been shown fish to mankind evolution is anti-science – so it’s not science that disproves any of God’s Word.

    And consider: it IS observable, repeatable, biological scientific fact that when a person dies and of course starts to grow cold, they’re not coming back to life. So “having a scientific background”, do we throw out the fact that Jesus resurrected as well?! of course not. So why throw out what else God / Christ said, for anti science beliefs others are pushing off as science?! It makes no sense.

    If you do not want to believe Jesus and the Bible, so be it. But to pretend to believe parts of it we’re not embarrassed to believe in we’re only kidding ourselves: we’re worshiping a false version of god, not God Himself.

    Luke 9:26 “[Jesus said] For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.”

  • astonprincess

    You are a Christian through Baptism, you are ONCE born and ONCE Baptized ONCE. You cannot be a Born again Christian. Also, Gay Marriage does do harm, to children. Don’t even get me started on THAT topic. UGH.

    • Amos Moses

      “You cannot be a Born again Christian”

      so a low view of scripture ….

      John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
      3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
      3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
      3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
      3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

      1Pet 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

      • astonprincess

        It’s my belief as a Catholic

        • Amos Moses

          and that belief contradicts Christs own words ………….

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          So you choose your Catholicism over Christ and call Him a Liar. Well now, that oughtta work real well for you when you meet Him. Have you happened to read Matt. 7:21-23 lately?

          You’re standing in line.

        • Robert

          Before the popes came their were catholics to and they believed scripture ..only by a very
          Few roman catholic human votes did catholics decide to make the pope infallible in doctrine . the concept was so new to the church the new york times was already around to report the actual vote when it came in.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        More than a “low view”. It’s outright calling Jesus a Liar. And her post is typical of the Catholic who swallows the spoonfed lies and is just Biblically ignorant.

        YOu made a good post but I would’ve capitalized, underlined, and bolded the word “MUST”.

        • BuckeyePhysicist

          “If any one says, ‘I love God,’ and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.” (1 John 4:20)

      • Robert

        happy in concistancy’s do exist in people who say stuff and believe different from what they say..

    • Chris

      “Gay Marriage does do harm, to children”

      Care to explain?

      • Amos Moses

        self explanatory ………..

  • calduncan

    Somebody please teach this silly old thing how to play golf so he doesn’t spend his sunset years trying to sound deep, which he isn’t.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    ““I do not judge whether someone else is a Christian. Jesus said, ‘Judge not,’” Carter replied.”

    He doesn’t know if one has to believe in the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, or if Jesus was telling the truth when He said He is the ONLY Way. And he believes that Jesus would approve of SSM and “any love affair”! I don’t know what jesus he believes in but it ain’t Jesus!!

    I only have one question. What kind of flippin’ idiot would put this guy in charge of “teaching Sunday School”?

    Here’s a clue for Jimmy and anyone else who is confused about those things. You can NOT have a saving faith in a jesus of your own imagination. It is ONLY the One True Jesus that saves and you can NOT stand in opposition to Him by supporting that which He calls evil and be one of His followers.

    That is absolutely, totally, and completely opposed to the Gospel.

    • Copyleft

      Actually, Carter seems to be pointing out that he’s not qualified to sit in judgment on someone else’s beliefs… and where in your Gospel does Jesus promise his followers the mind-reading powers that would be necessary to do so?

      • Sharon_at_home

        “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:20
        We don’t need mind-reading powers as it is reflected in his behaviour and what he does in his actions. If he’s a good person and never sins then it’s likely he has a biblical view of the world.
        God looks at our heart to see what kind of person we are. Humans cannot look that deeply – only God.
        Judging should be to discern and help if necessary. It is not our privilege to judge whether someone is condemned (to hell). Only God can do that without looking at the outside – the looks – of each person. Christians should rely on God to decide as He is the only one that can know all about someone. We were asked by Jesus to Love Everyone, and to teach the Gospel. From there each person must make a decision about following God. God does not want someone who has been forced(?) to believe in Him. He wants our Free Will to decide.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Thank you Sharon as you went to just the first verse I thought of. I do wanna correct one thing you said just to clarify because while I think you probably meant it, it might be misunderstood when you said, “It is not our privilege to judge whether someone is condemned (to hell).”

          This gets a bit tricky because of the Greek “krino” used both for “judge” and “condemn”. That said, I’ll just say we can and should “judge” one as “being condemned” to Hell when there is clear evidence of such. This would be consistent with John 3:19-20.

          For example, if one says that they don’t believe in God or Jesus or that Jesus is not the ONLY WAy or that God created them to be Homosexual and happy and enjoy the sexual pleasures in a “loving monogamous homosexual relationship” – then we can unequivocally “judge” them as “being condemned” to Hell because Christ Himself has already said they are.

          In other words, we are not the one actually “condemning” them but we are the one “judging” them based on what they’ve said and giving them the “judgment” that Christ has said they’ve already been given.

          Hope that makes sense and clear it up.

          • Sharon_at_home

            But we are to try to help them overcome that sin that would condemn them to hell. That was the message I read when I looked at it. One of the main things that Jesus said was to speak about the Gospel and help the people understand what they do when they sin. Ok, so that’s my interpretation but God/Jesus wants everyone to go to heaven so he would want us to at least try to convert them to believers before we wipe our hands of their dust.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh absolutely! And you are SO right on when you say one of the main things we can do is speak the Gospel. The power is in the Word. We just have to deliver it.

            And again, absolutely! We are to stay with those who are willing to receive us and the Word. We don’t shake the dust from our feet until they’ve let it be know they have no interest in knowing and abiding by the Truth.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Well, I see Sharon has already beat me to one of the verses I would’ve given you. There are others. In fact, I’d have started at Verse 15. Kind of hard to read that and not sit in judgment on someone else’s beliefs.

        Then there are numerous verses about not fellowshipping with darkness. Having no friendship with the world. Oh golly gee, how about Matt. 18 or 1st Cor. 5 or….

        So, no mind-reading powers necessary. Just the ability to see and hear. Perhaps this will help you.

        When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

        Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

        “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

        “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

  • Louie

    One can doubt virgin birth on scientific grounds, but to doubt the ressurection is to be poor in spirit. Still, Carter is very old and ill. He has produced much good fruit. And we are not to judge.

  • Copyleft

    Sounds like Carter was paying attention to the “judge not” rule that so many Christians try to ignore.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Sounds like another God-hater trying to talk about a subject he’s completely oblivious of and has NO clue what he’s talking about.

    • Robert

      yes because the holy spirit can work faith in Jesus in people even on a cross being crucified or a death bed in a hospital or grass hut. or where ever else the gospel been heard

  • Trilemma

    Mr. Carter says he believes Jesus would approve of same sex marriage. Since Jesus never said anything about same sex marriage, I don’t see how Mr. Carter’s belief couldn’t be true. Some Christians believe that the resurrection was spiritual and not physical. That’s why Jesus could suddenly appear in a closed room.

  • HpO

    What would your answer be, I wonder, Heather Clark, to this simple question: if you know for sure you won’t end up in hell, does that mean you’re not going there? See, that must’ve been the kind of speculative talk Jimmy Carter was having with Nicholas Kristof. We may not talk like them, but there’s our version of the same talk, which talk you reported on. And it goes something like this and I’ll start off:

    (1) Am I saved from hell because I believe in “Christ’s virgin birth and resurrection”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (2) Am I saved from hell because I have no “skepticism over some of the biblical account of Christ’s life”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (3) Am I saved from hell because I believe Jesus “walked on water, multiplied loaves and fishes”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (4) Am I saved from hell because I have no “skepticism over some of the biblical account of Christ’s life”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (5) Am I saved from hell because I do “apply the teachings of Jesus in my own life”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (6) Am I saved from hell because I “accept the six-day creation of the Earth”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (7) Am I saved from hell because I do believe “that one can only be saved from the wrath of God through Jesus Christ”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (8) Am I saved from hell because I do believe “that one can be saved only through a personal relationship with Jesus”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (9) Am I saved from hell because I’m “a good Christian … a believer in the beauty of the teachings of Jesus … try(ing) to follow His example”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    (10) Am I saved from hell because I believe that “Jesus would” never “approve of same-sex ‘marriage’ … gay marriage”? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

  • He has never been a very discerning individual.

  • dji9424 .

    Jimmy Carter has allowed the unbelieving world to prescribe how a “Christian” should act, i.e we should not judge, we can have no certainty of our salvation, we should cave to the dictums of political correctness regarding same sex marriage and similar ideas. He does not seem to want to use the Bible to support the Christian position, seemingly because the unbelieving world might be offended.

    For example, the question whether a person who does not believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ is a Christian, the Bible is clear, as stated in 1 Corinthians 15:14:

    14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

    If Jesus Christ was not resurrected from the dead, then Christianity is is just another dead religion. Thus, if someone refuses to believe Jesus was resurrected, they are most assuredly not a genuine believer. Why would Carter refuse to acknowledge that fact? How can it be “loving” of him to not tell such a person the truth as written in God’s Word?

    Jimmy Carter, in my view, has a very shaky foundation for his Christian beliefs, especially when he seemingly rejects what is plainly written in the Word. I keep being reminded of 2 Timothy 2:15:

    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Jimmy needs to be less concerned with offending the world and more concerned with faithfully teaching the full counsel of God.

    • Robert

      The thief on the cross dying finaly believed because of the holy spirit that Jesus would rise and was his God and savior from sin. Yet he may have heard the Gospel a thousand times before by way of old testament. it would be just as unwise to declaire Hitler is in hell. When we know for sure he had heard even new testament scriptures.

      • dji9424 .

        Of course, I’m not saying we can know another person’s heart but we can point them to scriptures that speak directly to their questions. For example, Romans 10: 9 speaks directly to salvation and Jesus’ resurrection and its importance in Christian belief:

        9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

        That is why the Bible was written, so that we can know Christ and know of His promises to those who believe. As 1 John 5:13 states:

        13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

        That is my issue with Jimmy Carter’s response, it is too watered down with his own ideas and not firmly resting on God’s Word.

      • Amos Moses

        Hitler was not a christian by any measure ……. he was …. by his writings and spoken words ….. a pantheist …. a polite way of saying he was an A-theist …… so where else would he be …. now i will concede a possible deathbed conversion …… but given his final acts ….. whether in Germany or elsewhere ….. i seriously doubt it ………..

        youtube;com/watch?v=35W3o4DgRxM&t=1s – change the ; to a .

        • Robert

          the account of that thief on the cross or Jonah
          or st paul is just 3 good reasons why many Christians would be more surprised to see Ghandi in heaven than Adolf Hitler. yet we could add our selves as why also. . God is well known for saving the most vile and worthless people including me through faith in Jesus and thats the truth of scripture.

          • Amos Moses

            “God is well known for saving the most vile and worthless people”

            which is all of us ……… but there is no evidence that applies to the life of either Gandhi or Hitler ….. if one is saved ….. there is evidence of that ….. neither of them showed any evidence ……….

          • Robert

            How do you know? did Hitler carry you around in his pocket or something . You and I don’t even know or not if he escaped is living out his life in south america . we only know what others claim.

          • Amos Moses

            Hitler never made a public declaration of his belief in Christ ….. quite the opposite …….

            “You and I don’t even know or not if he escaped is living out his life in south america”

            yeah …. we do …..

          • Robert

            Hitler confessed Christ from what I read by way of the creeds in His Roman Catholic
            Church .which are more specific than most people confess Christ. I read that the roman pope even came to his birthday parties.

          • Amos Moses

            says more about a “pope” than it does about Hitler and his false christianity claims …… Hitler played to the people he sought to rule ….. and ….. SURPRISE ….. HE WAS A LIAR …….

          • Robert

            I also bet that Jesus would say Hitler was no worse than any one else if you break one of Gods laws you have broken them all.

          • Robert

            Who ever looses the war also looses to be the propagandist If Hitler had won the war .the propagandists would have made Truman the villain and we instead would be saying the same things Truman.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            False on both counts.

        • Robert

          we are a lot like Jonah we dont want the Hitlers in Heaven we just want the Ghandis .We prove that by who we invite to church and christmas dinners

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry ….. unless Gandhi was accepted by Christ through the Father …. he wont be there either …… heaven is by invitation …… and the Father is the only one who has the list ………

      • dji9424 .

        I must add to my previous response and that is this: Although we may not know a person’s heart, we can certainly know them by their fruits, as Jesus himself taught in Matthew 7:16-20. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

        Likewise, the idea that we are not supposed to judge is patently false, we make judgments every day of our lives. Thus, again Jesus instructs us in John 7:24:

        24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

        Our judgment is to be based on the facts of the matter, not on what we may want to believe or a superficial perception which fails to take all information into account. Our judgment should be based on how we ourselves would wish to be treated, nothing less. Again, Jesus instructs us in Matthew 7:2:

        2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

        As I said before, the Bible has much instruction for us, and given that it does, why would we refrain from declaring it?

        • Robert

          God can change what people were . Saul bore bad fruit Saul became known as st paul and the bore good fruit of faith an trust in Jesus alone while at the same t!me being chief of sinners. If you believe the bible here is Paul chief of sinners and at the very same time the super apostle of Jesus that r
          Has to rebukes peter for being unfaithful 😊

        • Robert

          Also I think Jesus in that verse about trees and fruit is specific
          In talking about false preachers of his gospel wolves in sheep clothing. Is he not? Can we use that verse so generally ? That would be a good question to ask a well trained pastor that is familiar with the biblical language that Jesus used. I don’t know.

          • dji9424 .

            Yes, he mentions false prophets in verse 15 but he’s speaking of anyone who can lead you astray, i.e. the broad path that leads to destruction in verses 13 and 14. So in my view, he’s speaking of anyone who is in a position to influence you, not just someone who may declare himself to be a prophet or have a prophetic word from God. If it doesn’t comport with the Bible, he and his message is not from God.

          • Robert

            We could go to the kretzmann project and look it up in that trustworthy good old commentary ☺

    • Trilemma

      Must a Christian believe in a bodily resurrection rather than a spiritual resurrection? In John 20:19, Jesus suddenly appeared to the apostles in a locked room. A human body can’t just suddenly appear in a locked room so it makes sense that it was a spiritual appearance.

      • dji9424 .

        Look at Luke’s account of Jesus’ resurrection in chapter 24, it is clear from this passage Jesus appeared to them in bodily form. Specifically, look at verses 36-48, especially verses 39 and 40:

        36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
        37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
        38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
        39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
        40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
        41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
        42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
        43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
        44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
        45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
        46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
        47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
        48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

  • Robert

    Carter might have been to embaresed to invite Hitler to church does that make it right for us not to invite that queer couple down the road
    ?who need Jesus just as much as Hitler and us to. What if God was to embarassed to save us. He didnt want us in his church to hear bout God the Son. What if first heard about Jesus from a fag ,would we hate for it. ?

  • Herrnhut

    “And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)” Well Peter called Lot righteous even though his testimony was of a defeated kind.

  • George Jenkins

    Jimmy is still mixed up Paul wrote, “And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.”

  • “And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.” (1 Corinthians 15:17)

  • Dianne

    Galatians 1:8 ” But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED.”

    Jimmy Carter is ACCURSED until he REPENTS of his lying vain imaginations and confusion regarding the TRUTH in the Word of God.
    John 8:44

  • Chet

    Obviously suffering from mental decline. I wouldn’t take too much concern of whatever he thinks about any subject matter.

  • peanut butter

    Truly you can’t judge whether someone else is going to Heaven. That would be taking Christ’s authority away from Him, and that might be worse for you than the doubts someone else has will be for them. You never know what will happen in the rest of someone’s life to convince them and change their minds to the truth. I’m not so swift on Jimmy Carter any more, even though I’m a fellow Georgia boy. It’s his anti-Semitic view on Israel that worries me, especially since we are told that if we bless Israel we will be blessed, and if we curse Israel we will be cursed.

  • Mark Vilen

    I don’t agree with some of Jimmy’s statements, but even as a believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and His death, burial and resurrection, I would never want to say that I could claim who was saved, born-again and declared righteous … That is our Father’s call, not mine … 🙂

  • Peter Leh

    Don’t make it difficult. If we have to believe everything perfectly… we would all think like Amos.

  • jimminycrickets

    There is no such thing as a “Christian” that does not believe in the resurrection. They are simply people who think Jesus was a “good man and teacher”. Might as well follow anything.

  • Ransom Thulcandra

    Once a doucher . . .

  • CB1138

    What a fucking prick.

  • Joda Collns

    Jimmy is inept in a lot of areas. Always has been. Always will be.

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Many people look to the wrong JC to inform their faith: Jimmy Carter and Jack Chick. Look to Jesus Christ instead.