McDonald’s Locations Along DC Pride Parade Route to Celebrate Homosexuality With Rainbow Fry Boxes

WASHINGTON — Three McDonald’s restaurants along the route of the Capital Pride Parade, an event expressing pride in the sin of homosexuality, will use rainbow french fry boxes to correlate with the event.

“The rainbow fry boxes are a fun way to show our support of the LGBTQ community using one of McDonald’s most iconic and recognizable items,” Cathy Martin, co-chair of the McDonald’s PRIDE Network and vice president of McDonald’s Baltimore Washington Region, said in a statement.

“However, these fry boxes are ‘small potatoes’ in the grand scheme of our commitment to this community,” she stated. “We are proud to honor and celebrate the LGBTQ community, including our employees, customers and beyond, each and every day.”

The locations to utilize the boxes will be the McDonald’s on 14th Street NW, 17th Street NW and M Street NW.

McDonald’s Family Restaurants of Greater Washington, D.C., which is also a sponsor of the Capital Pride block party, is expected to have a float in the June 10 parade as well. The company’s slogan will be “Lovin’ is Lovin’.”

According to reports, McDonald’s has long been a proponent of homosexual causes, as it added “sexual orientation” to its nondiscrimination policy in 1999, made domestic partners of homosexual employees eligible for benefits in 2004 and founded the PRIDE network in 2005.

Other sponsors of the event include Marriott International, Capital One, UPS, Geico, Red Bull, AT&T, Wells Fargo, State Farm, Starbucks, IKEA, Coldwell Banker, Coca-Cola, American Airlines, GAP, Heineken, Kaiser Permanente, and Citibank.

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Public reaction to the rainbow fry box announcement has been mixed, with some applauding McDonald’s for being inclusive and others opining that the company should stick to selling burgers and fries.

“Some cool steps in the right direction,” one commenter remarked. “Love to see corps step up like this.”

“I see rainbow fries in my future,” another wrote.

“Their justification for this whole push under Obama was ‘what two adults do in their bedroom is their business.’ I just wish they kept it there instead of constantly pushing this … in our face,” a third remarked. “A lot of people don’t like this and don’t appreciate [being] constantly bombarded with it.”

“The rainbow is God’s promise to never again destroy our beautiful Earth with water. It is not and should not be used by the lgbqrstuv as a symbol of their perversions!” another declared.

Romans 1:25-26, which speaks of homosexuality being contrary to the “natural use of the woman,” reads, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”


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  • Amos Moses

    McDonalds has been steadily going down hill for years …… making bad business decision after bad business decision ….. losing market share for many years ……. looks like they just want to destroy it all ……….. breakfast all day did not help …… and neither will this ….. wonder if this is a franchise or a company store ……….

    • Ambulance Chaser

      That’s a complete and utter falsity. Their stock was at $87.75 five years ago and it’s currently at $153.74. Wendy’s is at $16.42 right now (up from $4.76 five years ago) and Restaurant Brands Int’l (Burger King) is at $60.87, up from $35.41.

      McDonald’s market share is 7.3, ahead of Subway (2.6) Starbuck’s (2.2), Wendy’s (1.8), Burger King (1.7), Dunkin Donuts (1.4), and Chik Fil A (1.0).

      So seriously, what are you talking about?

      • Amos Moses

        McDonalds command of the market share has shrunk in the last ten years …… they have an oversaturated menu that they keep trying to “simplify” ….. and it is their public statement ……….. FYI, Lehman Bros. was very high on the trading price of its stock ….. until it wasnt ……….

      • Amos Moses

        McDonald’s sales decline yet again, despite first turnaround efforts …
        fortune magazine
        22 Apr 2015 … McDonald’s (mcd, +0.89%) reported a more severe sales decline than … Over in Europe, its largest market, McDonald’s struggled in France and …

        McDonald’s Sales Slow In U.S. But Growth Continues Abroad …
        fortune magazine
        23 Jan 2017 … But on Monday, McDonald’s reported a comparable sales decline of … the United Kingdom, China, Japan and some markets in Latin America.

        McDonald’s US sales fall amid concerns over home market strategy
        Financial Times
        23 Jan 2017 … While analysts have praised the company for its introduction of the all-day breakfast, the fourth-quarter sales decline highlights how much more …

        • Ambulance Chaser

          So, running a multinational corporation has some ups and downs, often tracking the global market? Yup, must be the gays’ fault.

          • Amos Moses

            not what i said … and you know it …… they have been screwing it up for a long time …… and this is just furthering that pattern …………..

  • Amos Moses

    “LGBTQ community ”

    they cannot even be honest about this …… it is the destruction of marriage community …………

    • Trilemma

      Whose marriage are they trying to destroy?

      • Amos Moses

        ALL marriage …….

        • Trilemma

          How are they destroying my marriage? How will they destroy my daughter’s marriage?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Marriage can’t be redefined even if the law tries to…
            Look at the stats now-marriage numbers are down. It’s been marginalized. That was always the goal.

          • Trilemma

            The LGBT community did not marginalize marriage. That started back in sixties with hippies. Remember the meme, “Make love, not war?”

          • Amos Moses

            it is a continuum ………..

          • Trilemma

            Yes it is.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Really? So what do you think Loving v. Virginia did in 1967?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Homework? Really?

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Really.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I’m actually impressed that we’ve found a user who’s willing to do it though!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Unfortunately, if you want to effectively discuss a topic, you need to do some hard work. Otherwise you’re just making up conjecture.

            If you’re going to discuss law, you’re going to need to read and apply statutes, regulations, and cases. If you’re going to discuss science, you’re going to be reading and analyzing some pretty complicated, jargon-heavy journal articles. If you’re going to discuss politics, you’ll need to read bills and treaties, and understand the quid pro quo of Washington maneuverings.

            A lot of people want to just discuss the basics of a topic figuring “hey, it’s just the Internet. This isn’t school, or my job. I don’t want to get into the weeds on this stuff. It’s my off time.”

            I get it, but unfortunately, if you’re not analyzing the dry, boring details, you’re not really discussing the topic. You’re just arguing one person’s uneducated conjecture against another. You’ll never get any more informed about a topic.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Nope.. It’s just my day off

          • Chris

            A huge number of words have been redefined over the centuries. Marriage has been marginalized for a number of years before the gay rights movement started.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Like?

          • Chris

            A fair question. Let’s see if I can provide some examples:

            Nice: This word used to mean “silly, foolish, simple.” Far from the compliment it is today!
            Silly: Meanwhile, silly went in the
            opposite direction: in its earliest uses, it referred to things worthy
            or blessed; from there it came to refer to the weak and vulnerable, and
            more recently to those who are foolish.
            Awful: Awful things used to be “worthy of awe” for a
            variety of reasons, which is how we get expressions like “the awful
            majesty of God.”
            Fizzle: The verb fizzle once referred to
            the act of producing quiet flatulence (think “SBD”); American college
            slang flipped the word’s meaning to refer to failing at things.
            Wench: A shortened form of the Old English word wenchel (which referred to children of either sex), the word wench used to mean “female child” before it came to be used to refer to female servants — and more pejoratively to wanton women.
            Fathom: It can be hard to fathom how this verb
            moved from meaning “to encircle with one’s arms” to meaning “to
            understand after much thought.” Here’s the scoop: One’s outstretched
            arms can be used as a measurement (a fathom), and once you have fathoms,
            you can use a fathom line to measure the depth of water. Think
            metaphorically and fathoming becomes about getting to the bottom of
            things.
            Clue: Centuries ago, a clue (or clew) was a ball of
            yarn. Think about threading your way through a maze and you’ll see how
            we got from yarn to key bits of evidence that help us solve things.
            Myriad: If you had a myriad of things 600 years ago, it meant that you specifically had 10,000 of them — not just a lot.
            Naughty: Long ago, if you were naughty, you had
            naught or nothing. Then it came to mean evil or immoral, and now you are
            just badly behaved.
            Eerie: Before the word eerie described things that inspire fear, it used to describe people feeling fear — as in one could feel faint and eerie.
            Spinster: As it sounds, spinsters used to be women
            who spun. It referred to a legal occupation before it came to mean
            “unmarried woman” — and often not in the most positive ways, as opposed
            to a bachelor …
            Bachelor: A bachelor was a young knight before the
            word came to refer to someone who had achieved the lowest rank at a
            university — and it lives on in that meaning in today’s B.A. and B.S
            degrees. It’s been used for unmarried men since Chaucer’s day.
            Flirt: Some 500 years ago, flirting was flicking
            something away or flicking open a fan or otherwise making a brisk or
            jerky motion. Now it involves playing with people’s emotions (sometimes
            it may feel like your heart is getting jerked around in the process).
            Guy: This word is an eponym. It comes from the name
            of Guy Fawkes, who was part of a failed attempt to blow up Parliament
            in 1605. Folks used to burn his effigy, a “Guy Fawkes” or a “guy,” and
            from there it came to refer to a frightful figure. In the U.S., it has
            come to refer to men in general.
            Hussy: Believe it or not, hussy comes from the word housewife
            (with several sound changes, clearly) and used to refer to the mistress
            of a household, not the disreputable woman it refers to today.
            Egregious: It used to be possible for it to be a
            good thing to be egregious: it meant you were distinguished or eminent.
            But in the end, the negative meaning of the word won out, and now it
            means that someone or something is conspicuously bad — not conspicuously
            good.
            Quell: Quelling something or someone used to mean killing it, not just subduing it.
            Divest: 300 years ago, divesting could involve
            undressing as well as depriving others of their rights or possessions.
            It has only recently come to refer to selling off investments.
            Senile: Senile used to refer simply to
            anything related to old age, so you could have senile maturity. Now it
            refers specifically to those suffering from senile dementia.
            Meat: Have you ever wondered about the expression “meat and drink”? It comes from an older meaning of the word meat that refers to food in general — solid food of a variety of kinds (not just animal flesh), as opposed to drink.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Ha. Well at a minimum these are words that don’t have any real significant eternal importance…. God will not likely judge too harshly those who live the wrong version/definition of ‘nice’ or ‘bachelor’ ..:)

          • Chris

            You asked for words that had changed their meaning. I gave you several in reply.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Yep. You got me

    • Parodyx

      They’re not destroying anything, Amos. In fact what they are doing doesn’t involve you or anyone else.

      • Amos Moses

        yes they are and the HONEST ones at least admit it ………… guess that leaves you out …..

        • Parodyx

          You were asked to state how what they do destroys anyone else!s marriage.

          • Amos Moses

            they involve themselves in the destruction of marriage by bastardizing what marriage is …… by doing whit it is NOT ……… and you cannot even tell me what a marriage is …..

          • Parodyx

            Of course I can. It is a commitment between two people to be faithful to one another. And there is not a single reason it shouldn’t apply to homosexuals willing to make the commitment to one another. And just because you consider it wrong does not explain how it “destroys” anyone else’s. We’re waiting.

          • Amos Moses

            “It is a commitment between two people to be faithful to one another”

            no … and homosexuals do not do that in any event …… they as a group are not monogamist and so therefore not “faithful” ………..

            “And there is not a single reason it shouldn’t apply to homosexuals willing to make the commitment to one another.”

            accept they dont ………

          • Parodyx

            ” they as a group are not monogamist and so therefore not “faithful”

            What a load of malarkey. They are NO different than straight people in the sense that some will last in a monogamous relationship and some will not. It isn’t bad enough that you have to speak on behalf of people you don’t know, now you have to speak on behalf of hundreds of thousands of people you don’t know?

          • Amos Moses

            “They are NO different than straight people in the sense that some will last in a monogamous relationship and some will not.”

            yeah …. NOOOOOO …. HONEST homosexuals will tell you that they do not view monogamy the same way a straight couple does …… and for sure not the same way a christian does …..

            On the contrary, the evidence indicates that “committed” homosexual relationships are radically different from married couples in several key respects:

            · relationship duration
            · monogamy vs. promiscuity
            · relationship commitment
            · number of children being raised
            · health risks
            · rates of intimate partner violence

            and …….

            The dirty little secret about gay marriage: Most gay couples are not monogamous. We have come to accept lately, partly thanks to Liza Mundy’s excellent recent cover story in the Atlantic and partly because we desperately need something to make the drooping institution of heterosexual marriage seem vibrant again, that gay marriage has something to teach us, that gay couples provide a model for marriages that are more egalitarian and less burdened by the old gender roles that are weighing marriage down these days.

            But the thorny part of the gay marriage experiment is sex, and more precisely, monogamous sex. Mundy writes about an old study from the ’80s that found that gay couples were extremely likely to have had sex outside their relationship—82 percent did. That was before AIDS and the great matrimony craze in the gay community. She also tells the story of Dan Savage, who started out wanting to be monogamous until he and his partner had kids, and then they loosened up on that in order to make their union last. “Monogamish” is what he calls his new model. But as Mundy asks, can anyone out there imagine a husband proposing that same deal to his pregnant wife?

            so NOOOOOOOOOOOO ….. not even close to the samething ………….

          • Parodyx

            You could at least be honest and state where your quoted paragraph comes from. Clearly you didn’t write it because every sentence doesn’t trail off with 15 periods.

            And monogamy is monogamy, doesn’t matter who you are. Again – invest in a dictionary.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. not as the homosexual sees it ….. and you can google the quotes …..

          • Parodyx

            I have a cousin standing right next to me. He’s homosexual. He says you’re wrong. He has been monogamous with his partner for 25 years.

          • Amos Moses

            why should i believe you ….. or him for that matter ………. you are at enmity with the truth ……

          • Parodyx

            What he had to say to you, you couldn’t get away with writing here. Best you let me filter it. In any case THERE YOU GO AGAIN telling other people what they think. You should try actually talking to these people you are speaking on behalf of once in a while. You’ll be surprised at how far off base you are.

          • Amos Moses

            still dont believe you ………

          • rubellapox2

            20 year monogamous relationship here.. you don’t know what you’re talking about….

          • Amos Moses

            because you are telling the truth ……… i do not believe you ….. and even if i did ….. does not mean your “partner” is telling the truth …………….. so forgive me if i do not believe liars who say they are telling the truth “this time” ………..

          • rubellapox2

            I don’t care if you think it’s true.. just pointing out your mistake/error.. say thank you…

      • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

        None of us lives in a vacuum. Have you forgotten ‘the village’

    • Vince

      They are unique. The only “community” in human history united by the incurable diseases it spreads. Viruses create “community.”

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        *sigh* The Black Death in the 14th Century rewrote how societies in Europe operated by weakening to feudal system and creating a prosperous middle class. It brought people closer together.

        Also, AIDS was just one factor in united the LGBT movement. The Stonewall Riots in New York, the White Night Riot in San Francisco, both brought LGBT people out of their closets and into politics in large numbers.

        And it wasn’t AIDS that made them angry. It was Ronald Reagan’s refusal to even mention a disease killing thousands of American citizens for years.

      • rubellapox2

        Highest incidences of AIDS/HIV is in heterosexuals in Africa…aids does not discriminate. Promiscuous people, both straight and gay catch it.. don’t know how you get a virus makes a community nonsense? But In a way it did make some communities stronger and more unified, especially when our allegede leaders were ignoring the thousands of deaths and plague like conditions among its own citizens….

  • Trilemma

    So many businesses to boycott. Where will a True Christian go to purchase goods and services?

    • Ambulance Chaser

      I hope whatever they need, they can get at Hobby Lobby or Chik Fil A, because other than that, they’re pretty much out of luck.

      • Amos Moses

        not so sure about Chik-Fil-A either …………..

    • Amos Moses

      well i still like McDonalds for cheap cup of fairly good coffee …… but beyond that and eating there on the occasional road trip …… not a good nutritional choice ………. who cares …….

      • Trilemma

        Same with me and McDonald’s.

  • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

    Come for the heart-disease, stay for the AIDS!

    • Parodyx

      Why do I get the impression that idea fills you with pleasure?

      • Vince

        Pedophiles dying of AIDS. Yeah, that seems fair.

        • Parodyx

          There are no pedophiles mentioned in the story.

          • Vince

            Gay men molest boys.
            We watch the news. It’s very common. As a matter of fact, the head of the HRC was charged with sexually assaulting an underage boy. It was in the news.
            You can deny it, but it’s true.
            Men who prey on boys are the vilest things on earth.

          • Parodyx

            There are no pedophiles mentioned in the story. Pride parades are about LGBT rights. Not pedophiles.

          • Vince

            Many gay men are pedophiles.
            The head of the HRC is one of them.

          • Parodyx

            Many more straight men are pedophiles. Still not relevant to this story.

          • Vince

            Yes it is. You people want to legalize pedophilia. Very relevant to those of us with kids. The children that we see as human beings you regard as sexual playthings.

          • SFBruce

            Name one supporter of LGBT equality who wants to legalize pedophilia. You should know that LGBT people also have children and protection from all varieties of molestation.

          • Jason Todd

            Larry Kramer. Done.

          • SFBruce

            Not quite. Kramer does argue that in some instances, the child of sexual abuse desired the action, but he also says, “Obviously, there are instances in which the child is unwilling, and is the victim of sexual abuse homo- or heterosexual.”

            And “Nor am I sanctioning sex with children, most of which I find as abhorrent as if I was a parent of a child myself.”

            And “Study after study has proved that gays are not child molesters, that child molesters are overwhelmingly heterosexual, and yet the belief persists.” (Emphasis mine.)

          • Jason Todd

            I know what he said. You asked, I answered. As for the rest of that crap, it’s not relevant.

          • Parodyx

            They are direct quotes from Kramer. Of course they are relevant.

          • Parodyx

            I’m neither gay nor a pedophile. I would never want to see pedophilia legalized nor do I know of anyone else who does.

          • Amos Moses

            just has two dyx ……… still dont believe you ………..

          • Parodyx

            Couldn’t care less

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            only because there are more heterosexual men

          • Chris

            Evidence please.

          • Amos Moses

            LGBLTQRSTUVWXYZ ……. and the list of the depraved goes on …….. there is no end to depravity ……..

          • Parodyx

            I don’t care what you consider depravity, but there were no pedophiles listed in the story.

          • Amos Moses

            sure ….. so what ……..

          • SFBruce

            Any adult who inflicts sexual abuse on a child does a vile thing. If you look at the actual data, however, you’ll see that adult men who identify as gay and adult men who abuse children are different populations. One case doesn’t make a trend. Does Jerry Sandusky’s guilt prove all coaches are also child abusers?

          • Jason Todd

            No, only that Jerry Sandusky is a homosexual, as all of his victims, which included his own son, were exclusively male.

            Your argument is invalid.

          • SFBruce

            What evidence do you have that Sandusky, who is married, either identified as gay or sought other adult men for physical intimacy? Simply declaring my argument invalid doesn’t make it so; if you want to refute my argument, you’ll need to show where my logic is wrong; that’s something you haven’t even tried to do.

          • Jason Todd

            Simply re-read my above comment. Jerry Sandusky showed himself to be a homosexual through his actions, and no amount of deflection or distraction is going to change that one fact.

            See, this is why the LGBTQW crowd has a credibility factor of zero: You insist on arguing against reality because reality does not favor the LGBTQW agenda.

            Move on.

          • SFBruce

            I’m not the one deflecting and distracting. I will take your failure to provide any evidence that Sandusky either identifies as gay, or sought out adult men for physical intimacy as an indication that you have none.

          • Jason Todd

            Dude, move on. The argument is over, and as usual, you lost.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            And this is true because Jason Todd hath decreed it from his mighty throne.

          • Johndoe

            And now you’re blocked….lol!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Meh, I’ve been blocked for months.

          • Nick Bush

            You can’t reason with him. He’s mentally defective.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            So when we read story after story about various Christian figures caught molesting kids, we can discount all Christians?

          • Becky

            I don’t know who you’re referring to, but anyone that claims to be a Christian walks according to the word of God and if they don’t, then they’re not Christians. The word of God is clear…

            “He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.” 1 John 3:8-10

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Nice theory, but in reality a large number of p[prominent Christian leaders in the United States have been caught to things that were downright evil, and their flocks welcomed them back with open arms.

            Remember Jim Bakker and the PTL Club? He was caught having an affair with his secretary (she claimed she was raped by Bakker), convicted of 24 counts of fraud and sentenced to 47 years in prison with that sentenced later reduced to 8 years.

            A potential rapist, and at best guilty of adultery. A man who swindled millions from his mostly elderly viewers to line his own pockets. Not a very Christian man, I think you’ll agree. Know where his these days?

            He has a TV show where he sells prepackaged food to survivalists alongside his preaching. He makes tours of churches across the country, where he is greeted like a rock star.

            Sorry, but in America Christians show no judgment at all over who calls himself a Christian, just so long as the masses agree with what the alleged Christian is spouting.

          • Becky

            “…in America Christians show no judgment at all over who calls himself a Christian, just so long as the masses agree with what the alleged Christian is spouting.”

            Again, they’re not Christians. A Christian is a follower of the word of God, Christ, and not of the masses.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            That’s the ideal, I’m telling you the reality. I was a public defender, madam. I cannot even begin to count the number of violent felons I defended you claimed to be good Christians and who had their pastors show up at sentencing to plead that the recently-convicted person was a fine church member who just needed help.

          • Becky

            The ideal life is, indeed, the Christian’s real life and anything less is not Christianity. The Scriptures clearly state that Christians are to be perfect (Matt5:48) and holy (1Pet1:16). Christ taught, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.” You can’t be both…either you’re converted or not….either you’re a Christian or not.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Then you better get busy at start telling most Americans that they aren’t actually Christian.

          • Becky

            As I’ve pointed out, the Scriptures are clear. Unfortunately, some think all they have to do is proclaim Christianity and suddenly they are. Christ himself stated, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'”
            Matthew 7:21-23.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Seems to me you are the one with the invalid post.
            I’ll put it simply. Men off all ages, races and ethic origin (or what ever) could be a married man, single man, married woman, single woman who is gay and you can’t even tell I bet.
            There is no relationship between gay men and pedophiles, any more than there is between heterosexuals and pedophiles.
            Is that simple enough?
            Blessings@

          • Jason Todd

            There is no relationship between gay men and pedophiles

            Then explain Don Lemon. Ryan Sorba’s undercover video. The fact there is not a single pro-pedophilia organization in the entire world whose membership does not contain homosexuals.

            In short, you need to keep your mouth shut if you don’t know what you are talking about. And you clearly don’t.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Excuse Me?
            First of all, any pro-pedophilia “whose membership” includes homosexuals does not signify that ALL Homosexuals are pedophiles it shows that there are homosexuals AS WELL AS Heterosexuals that are pedophiles too. Does that mean ALL heterosexual men are pedophiles. Because that is what you are saying. If all the homosexual men are pedophiles, then your example shows that all heterosexual men are too.
            I guess that makes you a pedophile just like the gay men you are accusing to be pedophiles who are not actually predators.
            Well now you don’t have to worry about pedophiles because you claim all heterosexuals are.
            And that makes you one too.
            I don’t know why you were so rude to me. But I want to have discussion not BS to be on this board. If you can’t be polite, then I won’t discuss anything with you, and not many others will want to either.
            From what I understand from other posts I’ve seen of yours, you are calling yourself a Christian. Christians do not act like you do. Stop calling yourself a Christian if you are going to continue to be rude and demeaning to anyone. You are not a Christian. You have made yourself a god in your own eyes. Your EGO must be huge!
            Good luck with that.
            God bless!

          • Chris

            You are spot on Sharon.

            You may be of interest that about ten or fifteen years ago a number of gay and straight males were tested for attraction to children. The VAST majority of both groups showed no sexual interest in children at all.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you Chris, you know I love to have more information about anything that becomes a topic on these boards.
            It’s a great argument to use on these silly people, really. Any chance you can give the name of the test and the information for the other posters to know about? I know you study many many things and might not remember the source to one out of all of them. LOL
            Thanks for the encouragement. (again) I do appreciate it very much.
            Do you know if we can delete our own posts? I was thinking that I could send you my email and when you up vote it (I’ll try to find a time you are on the board) Could I delete it so not everyone can see my email?
            There are a couple of people that I’d like to know better on boards and that would give us all a way to connect to those ones away from prying eyes.
            Anyway, if you can give me the title of the test, I can look it us as well as anyone who sees it will be able to.
            Thanks Chris. All the best to you today!
            Don’t worry, I’ll bless you tomorrow too!
            AHA made you smile! I love to make people smile! It makes me smile.
            TTYS

          • Chris

            I don’t remember the source offhand but for you I’ll see if I can find it.

            As to deleting your posts it’s quite easy. If you look to the right of your post you’ll see a line like this “-” and an arrowhead pointing down right next to it. Click on the arrow head and you’ll see a menu that reads ‘delete’ and ‘flag as inappropriate’. Just click on the delete.

          • Jason Todd

            Allow me to explain some things to you:

            1) I never said all homosexuals are pedophiles. Do not put words in my mouth. Ever.

            2) You are completely overstepping your boundaries by saying I am not a Christian. Contrary to what you believe, a Christian reads the Bible and believes what it says. Specifically:

            Christians are not to tolerate sin. Jesus Christ Himself set that standard when He told the adulteress to “go and sin no more (John 8:11).”

            Homosexuality is a sin. This is as confusing and muddy as a bottle of Dasani. The Bible condemns this practice at least three times, in Genesis, Leviticus and Romans.

            3) Politeness implies respect. And respect is something you earn. Here’s a news flash for you: These people are not your friends. It’s evident whenever they come to the defense of the anti-Christian organization, the Freedom From Religion Foundation. If these people had their way, you, as a Christian, would have no rights in the United States of America, the last bastion of freedom in this world.

            4) My reaction comes from the condescending attitude your previous comment relayed. And your assertion homosexuality and pedophilia are somehow mutually exclusive was both factually wrong and asinine on so many levels you needed a dose of butt hurt.

            Thus endeth the lesson.

          • Sharon_at_home

            My condescending attitude is a reflection of your attitude. I tend to treat people the way I am treated when I am treated badly. I apologize.
            You know what, I don’t think you have any knowledge about the ones I think of as friends. They have given me a lot of information over several subjects and an understanding that I might not have had if I hadn’t come here.
            You on the other hand have a very superior attitude as if you think everyone on this board is below you. Well, enjoy your ego trip. It’s a sin to be prideful, as you should know, and the way you are talking to me, you obviously think that your knowledge of God is superior to mine.
            First of all, I am very well versed about the Bible and you should be careful how you speak to someone who is your sister in faith. No one who has read the bible doesn’t have the knowledge that we are supposed to treat His Saints with love. I don’t feel any love coming from you.
            People believe that about homosexuals and they seem to believe almost the same thing about immigrants. “Can’t be trusted”.
            The last two commandments replaced all the commandments, laws, prophecies, and commands. All he said we must do is spread the gospel and urge people to repent. He said no where that we should not talk with sinners, he said to not hang around with them so you don’t stop believing and will lose your salvation.
            How do you expect to reach out to homosexuals to teach them about Jesus’ love and Salvation and repentance with the attitude you have? Accepting the fact that they are people first, sinners second, is a big start to being able to teach them that Christians are good people and honestly want them to come to Jesus and repent. I don’t think your approach will bring many, if any to salvation, somehow.
            You are so rude it’s incredible. How do you use that mouth to eat with all that garbage in it.
            You do know this scripture, right?
            Matthew 15:
            10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
            11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

            I believe in what I believe in and you won’t be changing that as I know how you think from past comments to others.

            You also block people who don’t agree with you. I only block users that say they are Christians, but don’t behave like one. After I tell them they will lose their salvation if they don’t get it right with God and read the gospel and live by it. I tell them because we are supposed to help our brothers and sisters that are falling away from God and are going to lose their salvation. You are one of those Christians who should reassess yourself to look for your iniquities and repent and change your attitude. We are supposed to be like Jesus and you are more like someone who follows the person who tells you what to think instead of God. You have been only told part of the plan of salvation so if you don’t find out about it on your own, you will not be recognized by Jesus and will lose any chance you have of it. If you don’t follow the gospel closely, you won’t be able to pass into heaven.

            If you don’t believe me, try reading the gospel thoroughly and see for yourself. I really want to say I Dare You! but that would be too much like you acting so childishly.

            I don’t agree with you so you might as well block me. If you keep trying to demean me, I will end up blocking you.

            I think you must have sinned about 6 ways just in this post. Good luck in figuring out what sins you have committed. You won’t see them if you don’t think they are sins.

          • Jason Todd

            Apparently you think I am proud and have a superior attitude. That’s mistake number #1.

            I am a realist. I see the world as it is and I do not think the answer is holding hands and singing “Kumbaya.”

            I also refuse to listen to the lies of those who hate Christians and Christianity. That’s one reason why I block people. Another reason is because they promote and defend the LGBTQW agenda in one breath and lie about it the next.

            When you mention the fact within the past five years completely naked people have marched in the Toronto pride parade, meaning on a public street, in broad daylight, in full view of women and children, you’d think there would be disdain. When you hear local politicians have complained about this, only to be called “homophobic,” you’d think there would be anger.

            No. Not here. They would not even distance themselves from it.

            And then there’s Ambulance Chaser. He actually defended the pro-pedophilia Rind study. Yeah, he got blocked.

            So to say I block people I do not agree with? Mistake #2.

            Again: I did not say all homosexuals are pedophiles. If you are going to call me a liar, you need to be able to prove it. Which will never happen.

            I did say homosexuals cannot be trusted around children. I have good reason to say this, with the biggest and most obvious being the existence of the YouTube channel, “Queer Kids Stuff,” the deliberate teaching of homosexuality to a target audience of three to seven-year-old kids.

            Now, on to things biblical.

            1) Where is respect mentioned in the Bible?

            2) Not only have I read the Bible more than once cover to cover, I also read it daily as well as a daily devotional. How about you?

            3) You cannot lose your salvation. And, no, I am not going to debate that with you in a thread about McDonald’s fry boxes.

            Finally, it occurs to me in reference to the first point you seem to equate the presentation of facts as rudeness and arrogance. Your willingness to disregard the underlying motivation of the atheists and homosexuals present demonstrates this.

            Which makes me wonder how you’d react to Ben Shapiro.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Respect is also something that Jesus wanted us to show to each other, our brethren. It is expected behaviour between His Disciples.

            By the way, I just reread your post and I want to tell you that I never said they were mutually exclusive. I showed you that you were wrong about, and then you came back and said that you never said that you meant

            “I never said all homosexuals are pedophiles. Do not put words in my mouth. Ever.” If I really cared, I’d go search your posts to find what you said that inferred that you meant all gays. But, nah. Too petty.

            Christians are not to tolerate sin. Jesus Christ Himself set that standard when He told the adulteress to “go and sin no more (John 8:11).” He never reprimanded her for the sin either. But a lot of Christians believe they have the authority to judge, convict and punish sinners, like homosexuals. Do you believe that is correct?

            Who says I tolerate the sin? I am supposed to love everyone and that means I have to tolerate other people so I can spread the gospel; even to the people I don’t necessarily like. Not that I feel like that but I hesitate to not point that out.

            If you have not read the gospel and don’t abide by what Jesus said, you are taking a chance of losing your salvation If you do not.

            I am supposed to help brethren so they will not fall and lose their salvation but telling them of their sin, so they can acknowledge it and pray and repent. Not reading the gospel might be considered a sin since we need to read it to get to know our God better. Since it is the final Word of God.

            But it is your rudeness that is your downfall because Jesus would never condone rudeness and the way you behave towards others on this forum. I know there is nothing that tells us to be less than loving at all times. The closest He came to being rude was with the Scribes and the Pharaohs and that was because of the prophecies about them, not living the right life but teaching it – do as I say not as I do. That is why Jesus was always calling them hypocrites and told everyone around him to not trust them. But I have never seen him act in any bad manners with anyone else, except the money changers in the House of Worship, and that was another prophecy too.

            He was calm kind and wanted everyone to be like him so we can get along without hurting each other, and that is why he told us to love one another. You shouldn’t want to hurt the ones you love. He also said to love our enemies so you should not hurt them either. That includes in whatever you feel about others is something God does not want you to use to demean sinners.
            God Bless!

          • Amos Moses

            “Respect is also something that Jesus wanted us to show to each other, our brethren. ”

            AGAIN ……………

            Matthew
            12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
            12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
            12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
            12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
            12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
            12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

            Matthew
            23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
            23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
            23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
            23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
            23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
            23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
            23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
            23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
            23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
            23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
            23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
            23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
            23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
            23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
            23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
            23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
            23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
            23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
            23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chicken under her wings, and ye would not!
            23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
            23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

            He did respect them and treated them the way He wanted us to treat each other …… WITH THE TRUTH …………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            I wrote a long reply to this and I guess it was blown away. My computer jams when I am on this site apparently. Not on others.

            Every time you try to prove something negative about Jesus, you pick the scripture that is about the Scribes and Pharisees. Jesus had to tell them that they were hypocrites because they played the “Do as I say, not as I do” game. There were prophecies about the way he upbraided them and Jesus even mentioned that about the Scribes and the Pharisees.

          • Amos Moses

            i do not have to prove ANYTHING NEGATIVE about Christ ….. it IS NOT NEGATIVE ….. except in YOUR mind and the idolatry YOU want to hold on to for your own reasons …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            No that is not what I believe at all and if you had read my posts through, you would know that. I think that you basically look at the first thing you want to reply to and hardly ever remember to look at the rest, or something. If I have trouble with too many parts to answer, I copy and paste it into word so I can deal with each part in that part of the comment, then put those answers in the next post. It’s the most efficient way I have found to be able to address multiple things in a single reply. Maybe that will help you as much as it does me?
            What I said was if you believe your manners are not from Christ, that you would have to prove first that there is any negative parts in the bible involving Christ himself. It was supposed to have to show how Christ acted rudely in the time he was on earth. The only examples you gave to me was all about the prophecies involving the Pharisees and the Scribes and about them being hypocrites and leading the students of the Law in the wrong direction by not living as an example for them. Otherwise you were not able to find something negative that he did to others. Only the money lenders in the church and the Scribes and Pharisees were told off by Jesus. Otherwise, He continually lived as an example for us in every way. Right to when the said, in a much more plain manner used, You have to love God with everything you have and the second one tells us to love everyone (neighbour is anyone else you can meet, not just the ones that lives next door like it is now.) He told us to love everyone. And that would require not being rude or demeaning to anyone in attitude or words, and helping the Lord by trying to bring more to salvation.
            God bless.

          • Amos Moses

            i do stop reading after the first misstatement ….. many posts are too lengthily to respond to each point …….

            “The only examples you gave to me was all about the prophecies involving the Pharisees and the Scribes and about them being hypocrites and leading the students of the Law in the wrong direction by not living as an example for them.”

            no …. the language He used is the point …… and He did not just try to make nice with them ……. there was NO COMMON GROUND …… so why would He …… you seem to make the complaint to me about my presentation of the gospel ….. i understand you do not like my approach ….. i do not care …… the woman at the well …. that you have pointed out ….. Christ asked her to go get her husband ……

            4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
            4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
            4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

            Christ knew full well what the answer from her would be ….. and He confronted her with it ….. confronted her with her sin ……. but you want to continue to tell me that is wrong or the wrong approach ……

            i think not …………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            I am not objecting your presentation of the gospel, what I am saying is that Jesus SHOWED us BY his behaviour how he wanted us to act, and being offensive to someone because they sin is not the behaviour he showed himself in other circumstances. What I am trying to do is offering you a DIFFERENT interpretation to what the different scriptures say, than about your presentation. I am trying to at least get you to try to look at what I say and use your own determination of what I present to you. If you would consider the way I show you what I am trying to express, I would not be so long speaking, because it is often trying to use different WAYS to say what I am trying to say. You don’t seem to want to use the Gospel the way I was taught to, so I am just trying to let you know what I have been taught because it might be MORE BENEFICIAL TO YOU, not because I think I’m right and you are wrong. I don’t care about that so much as giving you another way to look at the same scriptures so you can decide for yourself.

            I would appreciate it if you would read through the whole post ONCE before you reply to my first error. It would at least make sure you are trying to be open to the idea about being kinder when you speak to others. I also use scriptures to prove MY POINTS. Especially with you, as that is how you reply to me. I am also going to begin using ALL CAPS FOR EMPHASIS too.

            It would not be the LANGUAGE because Jesus ONLY used that approach with the Pharisees and the Scribes. You showed that with your scripture actually.. It was made obvious why Jesus was unhappy with the Pharisees and the Scribes because of the prophecies. He treated NO ONE ELSE even close to that except when he fulfilled the prophecy about the money lenders situation at the church. Otherwise he was kind and gentle to others.
            One of the POINTS OF THE SCRIPTURE with his bad talking to the P&S’s is to point out the difference of the way he behaved towards what he had to fulfill for the prophecies. He mentioned it often in the scriptures about the P&S. He told them they were hypocrites because of the fact that they DID NOT LIVE THE WAY THEY TAUGHT – which would also indicate that He would be living the way he would be teaching.
            With both women’s sins, he did not angrily CONFRONT them about their sins. That is what he wants us to do, now. With everyone.

          • Amos Moses

            the truth is offensive to those who are not in the truth ………… Christ is the truth and the stumbling block, the Rock of offense ………. that does not change ….. it is not part of the gospel presentation to be “not offensive” ….. and if you change it so that is is “not offensive” …… then it is no longer the gospel …………

            “a different interpretation” ………….
            1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
            1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
            1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
            1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
            1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I do not change anything in the scriptures. I just EXPLAINED that to you. I was TAUGHT differently about the interpretation and just wanted TO SHOW YOU what I was taught.
            I use the scriptures EXACTLY as they are and use them as proof for EVERYTHING I say. I would NEVER twist the Word of God to suit ME. It is not me that wrote it so I CAN NOT CHANGE IT.

            OK I guess I thought you would be open to the teachings of JESUS and why he did what he did. SILLY ME.

            Hopefully someone else looked at our posts and actually did use their OWN DISCRETION to LOOK AT WHY I SAID WHAT I SAID. Obviously I was wrong and you do not have the use of your own discretion, and do not want to risk learning something NEW about the Lord.
            I also gave you the choice of using what I say as a teaching tool or to throw it out, as long as you seriously considered what I said.

          • Amos Moses

            interpretation is ADDING to scripture ………. sorry ….. wrong ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Interpretation is not adding to the scripture; It is understanding what the scripture means it often tell us if there are other scriptures that reaffirm the same thing.
            So SORRY … WRONG!

            No wonder you don’t see Love when you think of JESUS. You don’t know about that part.

          • Amos Moses

            “Interpretation is not adding to the scripture; ”

            yes … it is …..

          • Parodyx

            “Interpretation is ADDING to scripture”

            Are you SERIOUSLY still trying to sell this? Interpretation – have you looked the word up? Here, let me do it for you: “an explanation of the meaning of another’s artistic or creative work; an elucidation.” Tell me where you see anything about adding to scripture.

          • Amos Moses

            anything we bring to the scripture …. including interpretation ….. is adding to scripture ….. we are christians using the biblical definition ………. the bible is not any other “artistic or creative work” ………… so FAIL ……….

          • Parodyx

            So you tell me then, how are we supposed to understand ANYTHING unless we use our brains to interpret what we’ve read?

          • Amos Moses

            you can interpret whatever you like ….. we, as christian do not get to, are not allowed to, alter the Kings word ………. we do not get to change it so men feel better about themselves …..

          • Parodyx

            Your very Bible (whichever VERSION you use) is an interpretation. AND a translation.

          • Amos Moses

            no …. it is TRANSLATION only ….. period ….. not the samething ……… and we have the ancient texts as evidence …….. FAIL ………..

          • Parodyx

            The fail is all yours. Look the word up for yourself…sigh. I am sick of spoon feeding you and it does no good anyway.

          • Amos Moses

            see ….. if you were talking in biblical terms and not worldly terms ….. we would not have this problem …… but you are more interested in your flesh than God ……..

          • Parodyx

            I’m talking in terms every human being should be able to understand, whether or not they put all their stock in an ancient holy book or not.

          • Amos Moses

            no … you are talking in terms of a worldly definition that has changed to benefit the world ….. it has often little or no truth to it any longer …. this is a forum of THE TRUTH …… and the sooner you come to THE TRUTH …… the better it will be for you …….

          • Parodyx

            Interpretation adds NOTHING to scripture. Now stop trying to say otherwise. Interpretation just means attempting to understand. Nothing is added to the formula.

          • Amos Moses

            yes it does … it adds your own idolatry ………… God is not interested in your idols ……….

          • Parodyx

            Why are you now talking about idolatry? It’s difficult to keep up with all your ridiculous accusations. Stick to the topic at hand, which is interpretation. If you used your dictionary or looked at the definition I conveniently provided you with, you will know that an interpretation is simply an understanding. Note that the dictionary says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about adding to scripture, so why do you continue to insist that it does? Is there a special “Amos Dictionary” you are using that you would like us all to work from?

          • Amos Moses

            because that is what a person brings to the text when they “interpret” ……. they bring the wicked and deceitful desires of their hearts …… their idols ….. and then it is no longer scripture …… it is no longer God centered … it is MAN centered ……

          • Parodyx

            How long do you intend to cling to this completely inaccurate understanding of the word “interpret”? For the last time Amos, you are wrong. It doesn’t mean adding anything to scripture. It just means understanding it. And it has even less to do with idols.

          • Amos Moses

            how long do you ………….

          • Amos Moses

            and how would you know …. you reject the scriptures ………..

          • Parodyx

            It has nothing to do with the scriptures and everything to do with understanding the meanings of words. Which in this case you willfully refuse to.

          • Amos Moses

            has everything to do with the scriptures …………. and the meanings of the scriptures ….. and what our place is with God and His word ….. NOT YOUR WORDS ……….

          • Parodyx

            No. Nothing to do with scripture. Everyone, it doesn’t matter what faith, trusts the dictionary definition for things. If you don’t, you are the only one who doesn’t.

          • Amos Moses

            corruption of a minor – Legal Definition n

            The offense of engaging in sexual intercourse or other sexual activity with a person who is not one’s spouse and who is under the age of consent or another age set by statute, especially if there is a considerable age difference (usually four years or more) between the offender and the victim. See also rape.
            v

            In some states, to assist or encourage a minor to commit an offense. See also contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
            n

            The arousal or encouragement of a child’s destructive antisocial behavior by a parent, guardian, or other caregiver. See also contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

            how does this NOT INCLUDE PEDOPHILIA ………… it is GROOMING ……….

          • Parodyx

            Corrupting a minor isn’t what you said. You said pedophilia grooming. Meaning that you felt this cross dresser in this story was trying to get children ready to be sexually abused by him in some strange way. I want to be clear – what this guy did was totally inappropriate to a group of school children, but in NO SENSE did he do anything that should make the children think he was “coming after” them. Once again, can you provide me with a SINGLE EXAMPLE of a pedophile who was ever a cross dresser?

          • Amos Moses

            corrupting a minor INCLUDES pedophilia ……

          • Parodyx

            I don’t disagree this fool was exposing children to something they shouldn’t see at this early age. So yes, I’ll go along with corrupting a minor. But you’re saying “grooming for pedophilia” which is just insane. That’s off-the-charts nuts and is NOT what is going on here. And if you’re going to continue to insist it is, then once again: Please provide me the name of one drag queen who was ever arrested for pedophilia. Have you SEEN the kinds of men who get arrested for pedophilia? They look just like anybody’s regular old next door neighbor.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Translation of one language to another requires interpretation, because when one does a translation, they don’t do it word-for-word literally, generally.

          • Amos Moses

            no … it requires taking the word in one language and giving the equivalent in the new language ……….. no interpretation …………..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Why are there so many different English Bible translations, then? If it’s as simple as you say, there would only be a need for one.

          • Amos Moses

            one word ….. copywrite …………. another word …. money ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            I find it offensive when you state that I am not IN THE TRUTH.
            The different approaches that EACH church takes to teach the congregation about the bible and the gospel is about the way each church has looked at the bible and what it says. Most of us even read the same bible.
            The way my church looks at Christ and the Gospel is that it is about LOVE.
            From what I can gather from your posts and the way you re-use the same scriptures to try to show an opposite theory seems to be about Christ and the Gospel is that it is about HATE.
            Just because you were taught differently by your church should not mean you should never consider anything outside your own religion, but that you should use YOUR OWN ability to understand it and apply it OR not as you decide. It might be even BENEFICIAL to see it differently, whether you change the way you view it or not.
            REGARDLESS.
            I do not want to EVER see you implying that I AM NOT IN CHRIST. YOU GO TOO FAR, when you imply that I am not of God when I am totally committed to following JESUS

          • Amos Moses

            no … i did not say that and again ….. you read what you want to read and not what was written ……

            adding to scripture is forbidden ….. and a “different interpretation” is adding to scripture … and if you are adding to scripture …… then NO ….. it is not the same God ….. it is a god of your own making ………

          • Sharon_at_home

            You are crazy. I have used the scriptures verbatim.
            The Catholic Church added to the bible over the centuries. They made INTERPRETATIONS and put them into the Catechism book to teach you. Did you not realize that?
            Do you really believe that you can understand what the bible says just by reading it and not interpreting it? Of course YOU HAVE TO INTERPRET IT. That is how you reach understanding of GOD’S WORD.
            You’re problem is that you only listen to your priest, and you do not read the complete bible and you don’t find out what the parts you don’t understand mean. I expect you do not go to Bible Study because you would know of what I speak about.
            I AM NOW BLOCKING YOU. You are exactly the kind of Christian that RUINS the name Christian with a reputation of being hateful. Those of us who are FOLLOWING JESUS, need to get out and make sure the world sees Christians in better LIGHT, so they WILL come to salvation because the rest of us are loving and kind like Jesus and we shine His light for him.
            I’m leaving – Good bye.

          • Amos Moses

            no … there is NOT ONE THING in the text about Christ “attitude” or “presentation” or “feelings” when He confronted the woman at the well ……

            4:7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
            4:8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
            4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
            4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
            4:11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
            4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
            4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
            4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
            4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
            4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
            4:17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
            4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
            4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
            4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
            4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
            4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
            4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
            4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
            4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
            4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
            4:27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
            4:28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
            4:29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?
            4:30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.

            where is there anything about Christs presentation ……. nothing …….

          • Amos Moses

            “I AM NOW BLOCKING YOU. You are exactly the kind of Christian that RUINS the name Christian with a reputation of being hateful. ”

            boring …. sad ….. boo hoo ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            According to my Saviour and Lord Jesus I am supposed to apologize for being rude, So I do apologize for being rude and for what I said to you. I’m afraid you got a reaction from me that is not what Jesus would have done.

            I do not however apologize for my feelings that you tried to crush by being so demeaning to me. But No, You cannot imagine that Jesus is loving and kind so you call me evil and make it sound like I am trying to change the scriptures.

            I’ll say this once, you can go to hell and damnation since you don’t realize that you are sinning every time you confess, Every Sunday School – for adults if you have such a thing – The only person who is able to affect your salvation IS YOU by living by the gospel. I’m not going to bother anymore.
            If you were a brother, I would not leave it like this, but you don’t act in any way like Jesus and that means you are bad for me, and I should not be around you. If you want to be nasty some more, go right ahead, but don’t expect any replies from me. Your prey will not bite the bait and will live to another day

            You are so bull-headed.I know a few people like you. sad really… I really feel badly for you going to hell. I know I don’t want to end up there.

            Good luck with that. Again, I’m sorry for being rude.

          • Amos Moses

            HOW was i demeaning to you ……….. where did i EVER say you were evil ….. i said you were WRONG ……….. and that is NOT the samething …………..

          • Amos Moses

            “I really feel badly for you going to hell. I know I don’t want to end up there.””I do not however apologize for my feelings that you tried to crush by being so demeaning to me.””I’ll say this once, you can go to hell and damnation since you don’t realize that you are sinning every time you confess, Every Sunday School – for adults if you have such a thing – The only person who is able to affect your salvation IS YOU by living by the gospel. I’m not going to bother anymore.”

            WOW ….. just …… WOW ………………

          • Amos Moses

            “You cannot imagine that Jesus is loving and kind so you call me evil”

            WOW ………….. just WOW ……. Again …………

          • Sharon_at_home

            I found the scripture that points out that you need to be born of water and Spirit.
            John 3:
            5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
            6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
            7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
            8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

          • Amos Moses

            i have never questioned that ……. if i am so mean and hateful …… you should just walk away …………

          • Sharon_at_home

            I can’t. I’m a Christian and I have to forgive you as God has forgiven us. It’s one of the Fruits of the Spirit called longsuffering.
            You did question that because I explained to you that the 2nd baptism was Called the Holy Spirit of fire, and you asked if Jesus, or I, got burned when we did that baptism. You also thought the water baptism (which are done shortly after birth by sprinkling water on the baby’s head?) would lead you to salvation, and it only leads to the Hope of Salvation. That is why the second baptism is necessary. By having the Spirit within (and active) it can connect with God who is a Spirit.

          • Amos Moses

            walk away …………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Why are you afraid what I say will actually make a difference to the way you understand the gospel? I’m not trying to do that. I’m trying to get you to look at it and decide for yourself but you have to learn both ways to make an informed choice.

            Sorry not giving up on you Amos. God wants me here and I won’t be disobedient to God.
            I just can’t. So you will have to block me if you don’t want me to be able to reply to your posts.
            By the way, I have some more PREVIOUS REQUESTS you made of me before: You asked about these so I suggest you read the whole post.
            It’s not too long because they’re are all small answers to various things you referred to in one reply or another. There is also a question for YOU.
            DOCTRINE MATTERS ……… THEOLOGY MATTERS …..
            So why did you not ask for these 2 things about my church,
            without discussing scriptures until after you knew that? That could have made a difference to how we looked at what the other follows. And it would not have looked like I was trying to create myself into a preacher who was leading the sheep away from our God. All I am trying to do is the duty I have accepted as being a part of an Apostolic church member.
            DOCTRINE MATTERS
            Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic or Jesus’ Name Pentecostalism and often pejoratively referred to as the “Jesus Only” movement in its early days) is a category of denominations and believers within Pentecostalism which adhere to the nontrinitarian theological doctrine of Oneness.
            THEOLOGY MATTERS
            Apostolic Church (denomination) …
            The term “Apostolic” represents the denomination’s belief that
            it follows the teachings of the twelve apostles who followed Christ. With roots in the 1904–1905 Welsh Revival, it seeks to stand for first-century
            Christianity in its faith, practices, and government.
            YOU ALSO SAID this to which I replied
            “one or two oblique references out of context is not a scriptural basis for theology”
            I have never taken a scripture out of context. And you are quite capable of looking at the scriptures yourself. I try not to fill up my post with scripture, especially now because you don’t really read my posts anyway.
            Give me an example of a scripture that I have taken out of context please. I need to know so I can change it IF I HAVE TO. As I have told you, I am willing to look at any example of something so that I can understand what you are trying to say. I am WARNING you that I will keep asking what you mean until you can explain why you posted any scripture. Tell me what is the example of the scriptures mean to you.
            NOW MY QUESTION TO YOU
            Do you think someone who is said to be compassionate could be someone who is angry all the time?
            Hypothetically speaking of course.

          • Amos Moses

            if you believe that i am as hateful and unchristian as you seem to think i am ……. and that i do not understand the scriptures ……. and that i am some how misapplying the scriptures ….. and that somehow harms you …… then you need to walk away …………

            DOES God hate? ……. Did God ever say He hated a person …. any person? ……. Why is it bad? ………… “love” as it is used in scripture …. in the Greek …. has 8 different words for “love” …… which one are YOU talking about when you use it …………….

          • Sharon_at_home

            I could go look through my bible studies to remind me, but you know what…
            It isn’t about God because Jesus came to reconcile Man to God, and Jesus is the one who wants us to love each other. God did hate and that is why Jesus came to earth to reconcile us to God. Jesus hated sin, but he never hated people like God did in the OT.

            John 13:34 -35

            34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved
            you, that ye also love one another.

            35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to
            another.

            Would you like me to give you my bible study answers about the 8 different words for “love” or do you not think I know them. My Pastor always goes through the actual meanings of the words and their origins as we go through scripture. So you are quite welcome to ask me about Greek and French definitions of the bible words. I am sure I can show that I know them.

          • Amos Moses

            no … we worship a triune Godhead …. there is no disagreement between the Father/Son/Holy Spirit ……….. there is no “like God did in the OT” ….. it is all the same Godhead …… the God of the right side of the bible is the EXACT SAME God of the left ….. there is no disagreement between them ………… and here is the OT and the NT to prove that …….

            Malachi
            1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
            1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
            1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

            Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

            Hebrews 12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

            Psalm
            5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

            Proverbs
            6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
            6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
            6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

            God even hates the saying, and it is not a biblical saying “God hates the sin but loves the sinner”.

            Malachi
            2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

            “Would you like me to give you my bible study answers”

            no …. but you use it like it only has one meaning …… and when it is used in scripture it has many different meanings ….. even in the same passage ……

          • Jim Tully

            He is the worst kind of Christian. Holier-than-thou. For one, he props his ego up by excluding others. Secondly, he is just a huge poser. If he had any real guts he would be preaching his message outside the safety of Christian forums away from his “A Priori” safety net. Trust me, God isn’t impressed by his kind.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Thank you so much for the message. I really do appreciate it very much. Amos was someone I see that is falling by the wayside and needs to be turned to looking at the Gospel with more Love than he seems to. He sounds like he does not want Jesus to be a kind, compassionate person, let alone that we are to help each other from continuing a sin when we see them in our brother’s and sister’s. But he is someone who has taken a long time get to even to where we are. It would be almost like giving up my salvation – I’ve come too far to give up now! lol.
            Hearing someone else say what I feel is an almost pleasant feeling. You did very well – much better than I did before I blocked him. I did block him but I have to forgive for God’s Glory, and I have to continue with what the Lord has given me. If the Lord knows it is not working in any way, He will lead me to someone else.
            I’ve never done anything like this on-line before. The Lord led me here and I have realized that it was to lead His lost sheep to the right path. The Lord even helps me find the scriptures I have to find. I know what the scriptures say, but I’m still learning where they are in the bible.
            I agree that Real followers of Jesus make a difference in the world.
            But I won’t let that difference start to affect my faith that the Lord is leading me. It’s like it’s a settled matter, not something I’ve thought a lot about before.
            Again, Thank you and for your kind way of replying
            God bless!

          • Jim Tully

            I am just a poor lapsed Catholic but I can’t stand know-it-alls.

          • Sharon_at_home

            So you don’t believe that God calls us to do specific jobs?
            I am sorry you view this as me being a know it all. That is not my intention. Amos Moses and I have been posting back and forth for a long while now and you are looking at the last of it when Amos pushed me too far by inferring that I trying to tell the Gospel wrong and that I am not lead by God in my posts
            I rather have discussions without constant criticism that is given in short form, and then multiple scriptures that are restricted to only an angry Jesus and not the Loving Jesus that I believe in and is made obvious in the gospel. And when I point out scriptures that back-up my belief, Amos will not even consider them. Not only that but after the length of time that Amos and I’ve been posting to each other, He did not once explain to me why it seemed he didn’t read my whole post because of what his reply was. He always just read up to what he calls, “the first false statement” and does not read any more of my posts.
            I think I’m justified getting angry with Amos. Other than that It doesn’t matter what you believe to me. I’m doing what I have been led to do, and I’m not going to stop being obedient to the God just because you think I’m a know it all. It would be a worse thing to say No to God than to continue on even though there will be some rough patches.
            I’ve also only been in the church for 8+ years so most of what I have learned is fresh in my mind. But the Lord leading me is strong desire to do “this” so I do it. I’m a faithful Christian that only believes in the bible and not anything that is not in scriptures. He keeps accusing me of alterating scripture because I explain what the scripture means and I guess he doesn’t like that meaning so he puts me in the same category as someone who was predicted in the bible that the Lord warned about to us, but I stick to the scriptures and he doesn’t understand so he does not read it. At least it seems that way to me.
            Thanks for the reply, I am sorry if I sound like a know it all, I sure don’t feel like a know it all. I am finding more and more that I know that I didn’t remember until it came to me when I needed it.
            I apologize and if you don’t like my posts, you can block me and not see them anymore.
            God bless!

          • Parodyx

            He tried that with me, too, saying that interpretation meant adding to scripture. I see you had as much luck telling him he was wrong as I did.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Hi Parodyx . It is really tedious trying to find a common ground with Amos even though we are both Christian. It’s mind boggling at times.
            Now it looks like I’ll be doing the same thing with Jason Todd, until he blocks me lol.
            I do appreciate your support with/ about Amos. I feel really driven to help him for some reason. Maybe I’m getting delusional 😛 hahaha.
            I have noticed you try to be cool and calm until “they” push you too. I know how hard it is to resist the temptation to tell them what I think of them. I expect it is the same for you.
            It was kind of you to go out of your way to post this,
            Thank you and because of my own faith, this one time, I want to say God bless!

          • Parodyx

            “God bless” doesn’t offend me. It’s a nice sentiment meant from the heart. What DOES offend me is Amos trying to pretend he speaks on behalf of other people, or of God when he is neither.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Reply #2

            This would be my point in the story of the woman at the
            well: He GENTLY told her that she was sinning. He didn’t shout it out and talk about hell and damnation.

            This is the approach that everyone should use because it shows how he BEHAVED WITHOUT any demeaning attitude, but in a calm voice during their conversation, in total CONTRAST to the way he was with the Pharisees and Scribes

            John 4
            8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy
            meat.)
            9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that
            thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
            10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the
            gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
            skipping vs 11+12
            John 4
            13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of
            this water shall thirst again:
            14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him
            shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
            15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I
            thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
            16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come
            hither.
            17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus
            said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
            18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now
            hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
            19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a
            prophet.
            20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that
            in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
            21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh,
            when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
            22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for
            salvation is of the Jews.
            23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
            24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship
            him in spirit and in truth.
            25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh,
            which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
            26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

            He also was making it CLEAR that He was Jesus and would know things that no stranger would know. That was why he told her that he knew she had no husband, to prove that he was JESUS – He even told her that it was He from the prophecies.

            Most of my posts are about how Christians are behaving towards other people – people they know are sinning. I know that Jesus would not want people to talk like that to sinners.

            This scripture actually proves my point. Thanks!

          • Amos Moses

            there is NOTHING in the text about how He did it ….. and you are adding to the scriptures …. He confronted her with her sins ….. and that is all you can say …… the rest is your idolatrous desire ……….

          • Sharon_at_home

            No I am not. Jesus was a gentle and kind man. Everything he says when he is with the multitudes is kind and compassionate.
            OK that’s it.
            I told you not to insult me with your inferences that I have an idolatrous desire. I believe in the same God you do.

            You, sir, have absolutely no idea who or what I am because YOU DO NOT READ MY POSTS
            If you had read them, you would actually KNOW ME!

            Take YOUR OWN salvation in your own hands or YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED. YOU ARE A SINNER without repentance so Good Luck With that.

            I’m sorry, Lord, but I don’t think I can turn this one back to the right road. He will not even consider NO, he will not even READ what I am saying and Lord, he is lost without repenting. I tried to reach out to Him as you wanted and I can’t seem to find the way to do it. Please forgive me Lord. I failed this time, but I won’t give up trying with others.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Did it sound like he was being harsh with the words that he used?
            You show me is when he fulfilled the prophecies as Jesus himself said in the scriptures when he told the Scribes & Pharisees off for being hypocrites.
            When he spoke to the multitudes he sounded pretty calm to me, what does he appear to be to you to the multitudes?
            DO YOU THINK JESUS spoke to the MULTITUDES harshly? Or to the people he healed? You don’t hear how he loved everyone?

            AMOS I think you are going to have to EXPLAIN PROPERLY what you are saying when you are posting about the Scribes and the Pharisees.

          • Amos Moses

            “Did it sound like he was being harsh with the words that he used?”

            i do not know …. i did not hear it …. i was not there …… so i do not get to bring my ideas of it to the scriptures …… if it aint there …… then we simply do not know ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            So when you are reading a book – other than the bible, do you allow yourself to think about how something is said between characters in it? What you were taught about how to read other people speaking, does relate to how to read the bible, right?

          • Amos Moses

            again ….. we are not given any permission to alter or add to the words of God ……… we just say “it is not in the text, we do not know” …………….. and …. we do not know …….

          • Sharon_at_home

            My Church says If it is not in the bible, then it is not Truth.”
            Someone, somewhere along the line interpreted the bible for the Catholic faith.
            So when my church ‘interprets’ the bible, it is the same thing the Catholic faith did, except the gospel is seen in a different angle. When you think about it, with 2 ways of looking at the bible, it will have more than just the one way in believers. People are all different about opinions, so why not give them 2 ways of looking at one thing so the churches can teach the gospel to everyone so they will understand and desire it.
            The Gospel is about Love to us.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. and again ….. there is NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION of the scriptures and its prophesies ……….. PERIOD ……… 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

            1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
            1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
            1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
            1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
            1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
            1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Ok you said NO PRIVATE INTERPRETATION
            So you think that I am making up what I say so I am the one that is interpreting the bible my own way?
            I have mentioned many times that I do NOT make up what I say, I go by what I have been taught. IN my CHURCH.
            Is that what you think about my posts? they are all my own imagination. funny that.
            If I go by my church by stating my belief, does that mean it is wrong to you?

          • Amos Moses

            if your church is wrong …. and there are many that are ….. sure …… we as believers have a duty to God to check what our leaders say and teach and to check it against the scriptures ….. even Paul was ……… searching the scriptures daily, whether those things be true ……

            17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
            17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
            17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I know about checking the scriptures, Amos, and my Pastor shows the scriptures verbatim on a overhead screen. Then he explains the Greek and Hebrew origins and what the words means. Then he helps us to use the lesson in our daily life.

            What do you view as my church doing wrong in your judgement? I’d be really appreciative if you could help me know if my church is “doing” something wrong so I can decide what to do with your suggestions.

          • Amos Moses

            “What do you view as my church doing wrong in your judgement?”

            i am not in your church … i do not know your church or your pastor ……. but you seem to have some notions about christianity that are out of skew with the scriptures ….. the best remedy is what the bible gives us to avoid that ….. and that is when you are present in church or whatever ….. continually check what is being said against the scriptures and write or ask questions and then check those against the scriptures ….. many people want to be information sponges ….. many think that christians are just spoon fed things and ideas in church or whatever and that is it ……. being a christian is probably the most arduous intellectual pursuit ….. if your mind is not engaged in making mental or other notes and checking and rechecking what is being said ……. then that is all it is …. being a sponge ….

            that is not what being a christian is ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            1) “and that is when you are present in church or whatever ….. continually check what is being said against the scriptures and
            write or ask questions and then check those against the scriptures ….. many people want to be information sponges ….”.

            1) Well, then I guess you would get along with my Pastor because he taught me to do exactly that. I take notes to go through at home at times I have questions in case I cannot talk to my Pastor before the day is over. His sermons are live streamed and I often got copies of the videos too so I could go over what he spoke about.

            2) being a christian is probably the most arduous intellectual pursuit”

            2) I’ve noticed that too. You have no idea how much I have studied God’s Word to know what it says, and what the words mean to me. If I have a problem, I ask God first, then my Pastor for help in understanding it. I follow what the bible says throughout my day.
            I read the bible daily. I pray daily more than once. I worship and praise the Lord with my voice often, usually every here and there through the day. I have gone to as many bible studies as I could since I started, and have created books from it so I could reference them.

            3) if your mind is not engaged in making mental or other notes and checking and rechecking what is being said ……. then that is all it is …. being a sponge ….
            3) I do have a memory problem that does not allow me to keep memories by memorizing them, but I do remember about the scriptures. So that is why I say what I say, then offer the scriptures if you need them for the reference to what I said.

            I do feel like a SPONGE because I have put a lot of EFFORT into learning what other people have known all their lives. So when
            they speak of things I am at least aware of what they are talking about.

          • Amos Moses

            1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

          • Sharon_at_home

            The prophecies were pretty clear and need no interpretation > I have never given any private interpretation. I have only mentioned the prophecies when Jesus mentioned them.
            If you don’t understand the prophecies, then you won’t understand something that God wanted us to understand. To understand anything in the bible, you have to interpret what it says to give it full understanding. In your case, I think the church you attend tells you what the prophecies mean and will only give you THEIR interpretation rather than just the words.

          • Amos Moses

            “I don’t understand how you can say that Jesus was not about love, when GOD IS LOVE; and Jesus talked about love all the time! ”

            one dimensional …God is not one dimensional …….

            “If you don’t understand the prophecies, then you won’t understand something that God wanted us to understand. To understand anything in the bible, you have to interpret what it says”

            and who does the interpreting ……….. who is allowed to do that …. and what is their motivation …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Who? Every single church has an “interpretation” of the bible as with each Church’s Doctrine as I understand them. “the
            denomination’s belief that it follows”: my Church’s Doctrine states this within it. I gave the whole thing to you in a recent past reply. What a Church believes is what the bible is saying IS the Doctrine of the Church > all of them. That is why there are more than one domination in Christianity. One of them cannot be the ONLY right one. How can any one Church say “ours is the right one, and all the others are frauds” They can’t because there is NO way to show it as true.
            I do HOPE that you have read this WHOLE post.

          • Sharon_at_home

            1 John 4:5-11
            5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
            6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
            7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
            8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
            9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
            10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
            11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.

            Please remember to put the book above your scriptures.

            This scripture is why I believe that Jesus was a good person that was all about Love. Is that not what this says to you?
            Please note that I have never inferred that God was not omnipotent, but the bible shows his other attributes separately to teach us that he was omnipotent. I was basing my posts about Jesus on the one that is Love, and you base him more on another attribute that God showed us.
            I did not mean to imply he didn’t show other attributes, but I continued with the Jesus who was love, for a reason, because you don’t to include that in your outward attitudes when you view Jesus. I needed to show you that Jesus showed us how to behave when he talked to the multitudes but he did not say them straight out, so they were said for the people of the times to help them understand what Jesus was telling them. I expect if Jesus lived on the earth again today, he would talk to the public quite differently than he did in the bible times, or they would not listen, they’d probably laugh actually. He would talk to them with their own experiences in the words, whether it was in the bible, or in the ’50s’ ’90s’ or in the ‘2010s’

            GOD DOES NOT CHANGE and being OMNIPOTENT, he is able to become what he needs to be to help his people. That’s why there are so many names for God. Each time he became another way to show the people what he wanted to, it was so they could understand that he was able to do all things or omnipotent.

            It would be so nice to see your comment include the whole post, but I won’t hold my breath.

            Have a Blessed day, Amos

          • Amos Moses

            “Please remember to put the book above your scriptures.”

            so the book are the scriptures ….. so i do not even know what that means ………. do you ……..

            “GOD DOES NOT CHANGE and being OMNIPOTENT, he is able to become what he needs to be to help his people. ”

            seems to be a contradiction in terms ….. serious error …… if God does not change …. and He does not …… then how can He become what he is not to please men …….. nope …. sorry ….. SERIOUS error ……….

            here is the central question ….. are you doing what you do to please MEN …… or to please God …… because sorry ….. they are mutually exclusive ……….

          • Sharon_at_home

            Amos, the part of the bible that you copy from is the Book. there are Books, Chapters, and verses. You gave me the chapters and the verses but you don’t say where in the bible you are copying them from.

          • Amos Moses

            got ya ….. sorry ……..

          • Amos Moses

            “Jesus was a good person”

            no …. He was the PERFECT person ….. so He could become the PERFECT sacrifice ….. without blemish …… but He also said …..

            18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
            18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Amos, do I really have to spell out that I am only saying one thing, not the whole thing when I say things like “he was a good man” That is part of a perfect man, or did you not understand that in your words only scriptures?
            He was perfect yes, but part of His being perfect was that He was a good man.

          • Sharon_at_home

            It told you word for word what they said to each other. The only way to talk to each other with those words would be with politeness.
            Why is it so hard for you to believe that Jesus was a kind and caring man and there were TIMES that that wasn’t the ONLY characteristic that He showed us.
            And then there is this…..
            “and that is all you can say …… the rest is your idolatrous desire”
            Tell me Amos, do you not think this is a demeaning way of speaking to me? You asked when did you demean me. This is one of the times.

          • Amos Moses

            i just put what was said in the text … KJV …. complete …….. it says nothing about how they spoke ….. that is adding to scripture ….. you may be right ….. but if it is not in the text ….. then it is adding ….. the ONLY conclusion we can draw is …… WE DO NOT KNOW ….. it does not say ……….

            “Tell me Amos, do you not think this is a demeaning way of speaking to me?”

            no …. it is a truthful and honest way to speak to you ………… as i would expect any other christian to talk to me ……

          • Sharon_at_home

            Hope you read to the bottom Amos. I kept it short just for you!

            Then I think you should find better ways to say it to me. All your words like that do is put up my defenses. So I want to defend my position.
            If you would form complete sentences Amos, I would be more confident about what to reply.
            FYI telling me I have “idolatrous desire” is a demeaning way to speak to a Christian who is very obviously trying to stick to the bible and what she has been taught. A Very Demeaning way. I am not using my EGO I am not loving a FRAUD God. I am worshiping the God of the bible. No matter what the different domination’s believe, it is still the God of the bible we all worship. It doesn’t matter what differences there are between the faiths, because it all comes down to one thing: Loving God and Believing that Christ died for our sins, to reconcile man to God, and that there is a way to attain your own salvation with repentance.
            So please try not to infer I am anything but a faithful servant of the God of the Bible and we can have some good discussions with more clarity to what both of us say.
            I often tell people that they are falling by the wayside, but I have not
            demeaned anyone without warrant, and when I do I always ask for
            forgiveness for it. I take responsibility for my own actions.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “except in YOUR mind and the idolatry YOU want to hold on to for your own reasons”
            Do you believe this is not demeaning to me directed straight at me?
            You asked when you were demeaning to you. This is the second one I have pointed out for you.

          • Amos Moses

            “Do you believe this is not demeaning to me directed straight at me?”

            when you present a false impression of Christ and the gospel ….. that is due to idolatry …….. plain and simple ………. how do i put it to you other than straight forward and honestly …… did you want me to lie to you …… if you are headed toward a cliff ….. and do not see the cliff ….. am i supposed to whisper gently in your ear that you are about to die …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            No Amos but you could be more considerate of my feelings, not because of your faith but because of how we are usually taught at a young age. I can’t imagine you not realizing I was a sister, either.

            I appreciate straight forward and honest but it can be done with less demeaning and have more of an compassionate way of saying what you need to say.

            I have always been straight forward and honest to you, and was never demeaning until I had a bad day and should never have replied to you in the first place. SMH I have apologized for that. And repented for it.

            I am an extremely honest person and always have been. When i was young my face would turn bright red if I told even a slight inconsistency if I knew it was not the whole truth. I learned the value of honesty early. I was the youngest child of 5.

          • Amos Moses

            your feelings are not relevant …… your soul is and you are in serious error ….. if you were not my sister i would not bother correcting you …………… if a child is standing in the street ….. and a car is coming …… and it is feet away …… my action to save that child is not going to look very loving as i almost yank his arm off to get him out of harms way ……. BUT IT IS …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            It is not a false impression of Christ, it’s just another angle from what yours is. It’s still the same Christ in scriptures, just seen from a different angle than the person that interpreted the bible for your faith.
            I think you see Christ as a disciplinarian and I see him telling us what he wants for us, and by us, with love and compassion.
            Tell me, could you seriously say I love you sister to me, without in any way lying about it. You don’t have to like me, you have to love me as a sister in faith, just as I have to love you as a brother in faith. It’s in the scriptures:
            John 15 [about Loving each other] key vs 15
            10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
            11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
            12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
            13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
            14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

            Matthew 5:43-48 [about loving everyone] sinner and saint
            43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
            44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
            45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
            46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
            47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
            48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

          • Amos Moses

            “It is not a false impression of Christ, it’s just another angle from what yours is”

            no …. it is from a different angle than SCRIPTURE is …………… we do not get to alter Gods word to fit our idea of what scripture says …………

            “12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
            13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
            14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.”

            and one of those commands is to NOT alter His word ………… and to not bring your idols to Him and expect He will just wink at it and say “okay” ……….

            “44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;”

            i have done none of these things to you ….. i have shown love to you by giving you scriptures as and for the purpose of correction …… as Christ does to us ……..He chastens those He loves …… are you somehow immune from that ……….

            Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

          • Sharon_at_home

            What Idol are you saying that I am creating? I go strictly by the scriptures. So what YOU are saying is that your religion is the only one that is right? That the way they teach has to be right so every other person who is in another denomination must be wrong?

          • Amos Moses

            when you add to what scriptures say directly then you are not going strictly by the scriptures …….. when you say “God is love and gentle and …..” ….. that is creating a false impression as it is one dimensional ….. and that is NOT what God is ………

            “So what YOU are saying is that your religion is the only one that is right? That the way they teach has to be right so every other person who is in another denomination must be wrong?”

            the only person capable of saying what God/Christ has said is God/Christ …… their word is the scriptures …… the scriptures are them ….. John 1:1-5 ….
            1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
            1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
            1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
            1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
            1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

            we are not allowed to alter God to fit our desire …… scriptures interpret scriptures …. not men …. God has placed the key to the scriptures in the scriptures ….. it is those that we must use ….. not our own thoughts about what it says or our own “angle” as to its meaning ……. Prv 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding ……..

            has nothing to do with denominations or religion ….. it has to do with what pleases God …… misrepresenting Him does not please Him …… if a person is misrepresenting you …… does that please you ……. why do you think God is interested in our misrepresenting Him ….. why do you think that pleases God …….

          • Sharon_at_home

            So as I said in this post. Are you saying that only your church’s doctrine is the right one because it taught you not to try to figure out what the scriptures are telling us.
            Every other doctrine would be different from the other.
            So how do you understand the parables without interpreting them? Not the ones that Jesus explained to the Apostles, but the ones that were not explained in any way other than by what the parallel says? How do you figure out how to apply it to today’s living without interpreting it. The bible is able to help us in every generation to have success in our lives – how do you think people can figure out how to apply something to our lives, if we cannot interpret what they say?
            This is a scripture that tells us to show our Good works; the way you are so rude to people is not showing a good person. it is showing a bad attitude towards the Gospel.

            Tell me, HOW YOU Do you UNDERSTAND THIS TO KNOW HOW TO DO WHAT IT SAYS in your life:

            Matthew 5:13-18
            13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
            14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
            15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick;
            and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
            16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
            17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
            18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

          • Amos Moses

            “Are you saying that only your church’s doctrine is the right one because it taught you not to try to figure out what the scriptures are telling us. ”

            i rely on the scriptures ……… there is no higher authority than God ….. God is not subject to mens ideas ….. God IS in the scripture because the word is God and God is His word ….

            “So how do you understand the parables without interpreting them?”

            Christ interpreted EVERY ONE of the parables …… so nothing to interpret …….. you can interpret whatever you like ….. but as soon as you bring your interpretation to scripture ….. then it is no longer scripture ….. it is something else …… we do not get to tell God what He said ….. and we do not get to speak His words to please men ….. that diminishes the power of His word ………

            “Tell me, HOW YOU Do you UNDERSTAND THIS TO KNOW HOW TO DO WHAT IT SAYS in your life:
            Matthew 5:13-18”

            we are to be SALT and light …. NOT sugar and light …… we have no authority to alter Gods words to please men ……. and if we do ….. then Luke 14 tells us what it is good for ….

            14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
            14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

            lost its SAVOUR …. LOST your SAVIOR …….. and what does it say it is good for …… it says it is DUNG ……. in other words ….. in todays vernacular …. it aint S##+ …. that is what you get when you “interpret” Gods word with no authority …… and we have no authority …. He is King ….. Not we ….. It is a KINGDOM …… not a democracy ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Could you put your posts in more of a sentence so I can understand it clearly please.

            I don’t want to misunderstand what you are saying so I can reply correctly

            THIS IS THE QUESTION I’D LIKE YOU TO ANSWER please.

            I am not the one that interpreted anything in the bible that I speak about. It was our churches that interpreted the bible, Amos, so unless you are not a member of a church, your church interpreted the bible as well.

            Please do not post scriptures about scriptures, you probably already have, and besides, you don’t seem to understand why you need to interpret the bible to get everything out of it that God gave us to become more like Him. Shine our lights so to speak. These things are what should be discussed in bible studies. Does your church have them?

          • Amos Moses

            who said this was not a bible study …… it is …………

            “Please do not post scriptures about scriptures”

            but that is how you use scripture to interpret scripture ….. you find the parallel scriptures to make the scriptures clear ……… so why would you not ……… what is there to “interpret” ….. it is not up to the reader to bring meaning to the scriptures …… the meaning is to be taken FROM the scriptures ……… what do you think any human being has of any value to add to what God has already given us ………….

            The Five Solas are:
            Sola Scriptura (“Scripture alone”): The Bible alone is our highest authority.
            Sola Fide (“faith alone”): We are saved through faith alone in Jesus Christ.
            Sola Gratia (“grace alone”): We are saved by the grace of God alone.
            Solus Christus (“Christ alone”): Jesus Christ alone is our Lord, Savior, and King.
            Soli Deo Gloria (“to the glory of God alone”): We live for the glory of God alone.

            has this ever been present to you ………

          • Sharon_at_home

            Funny you are in the same position in my way of understanding the bible. You are the one in need of reassessing your sins not I. I don’t understand how you can say that Jesus was not about love, when GOD IS LOVE; and Jesus talked about love all the time!
            The bible says straight out that we are to love everyone and it is obvious that you do not treat people who sin with love. Unless you behave like that to every single person you ever talk to; you should not act like that to anyone at all, not even the sinners that you know their sin.

          • Amos Moses

            “I don’t understand how you can say that Jesus was not about love, when GOD IS LOVE; and Jesus talked about love all the time! ”

            one dimensional …God is not one dimensional ………. and again ….. which “love” are you talking about ……….

          • Parodyx

            I wonder from the perspective of someone like yourself who is Christian what you think of the type of Christian you find on this forum. I am often accused of “trolling a Christian board” when I stand up to some of the statements I read here and I’m always quick to point out that the Christians I know in real life (who are similar to yourself) don’t sound anything like some of the Christians who post here. Do you find it as sad as I do that so much of what gets posted here is so completely opposite to what Jesus wanted – all the anger and rage and hatred?

          • Sharon_at_home

            I do indeed, Parodyx. I get so frustrated at the fact that it is their church that is omitting an important part about Salvation and I just want them to see Jesus as different than what they only look at. I try to tell them for their own benefit, but because they don’t know Jesus is love, and they view him as someone who got angry (in 3 or 4 prophecies) and not at all as the Jesus who wanted us to love everyone.
            the thing I am the most concerned about is that they are making the world see all of us as what they are like and I am nothing like any one of them, except that I only follow what the bible tells me to do.
            I think there is a song about the bible being our road map. I think of it more as an owners manual with the owner being God.
            Thank you again Parodyx, for your support. Knowing there are others out there that would feel the same way about the mistakes these people make (other than my own church) . It makes it feel more like something that I am doing might make a difference to somebody.
            God bless you and all you care about Parodyx. Have a great day!

          • Sharon_at_home

            [Apparently you think I am proud and have a superior attitude. That’s mistake number #1.

            I am a realist. I see the world as it is and I do not think the answer is holding hands and singing “Kumbaya.”]

            That’s Good because that is what the Brownies do in Canada.

            Many people that are realists reject Religion.

            TBH you do act proud and like you are superior to the ones that disagree with you. I don’t mean it in an insulting way because we all could end up doing the sins themselves. That is why I encourage other Christians to assess your sins again and repent of them to God – trying not to
            do them again – but you need to assess yourself to make sure you haven’t picked up any sins so you can repent. That’s the way a lot of people fall, from ignoring their sins. And not looking at/for them so they can repent. That is one of the reasons that we can lose our salvation.

            I’d have to find the scripture but I am sure that Jesus told us one sin is enough to lose Salvation if it is not repented for. This is already huge so if you ask I will find those scriptures afterwards.

            I also refuse to listen to the lies of those who hate Christians and Christianity. That’s one reason why I block people. Another reason is because they promote and defend the LGBTQW agenda in one breath and lie about it the next.

            I prefer to have patience and continue to teach them. That’s the way I am. That’s the way Jesus was as well. Can you give me an example or even point them out to me when they come up. Because I have someone who can help me understand it enough that one of us will go from there. It’s a lot easier to understand why people are doing “this” than to be mistaken and find out that it is a another reason all together

            I guess you have seen me questioning people about the topics that do not have the correct information

            When you mention the fact within the past five years completely naked people have marched in the Toronto pride parade, meaning on a
            public street, in broad daylight, in full view of women and children, you’d think there would be disdain. When you hear local politicians have complained about this, only to be called “homophobic,” you’d think there would be anger.

            You know what, I agree with that. I am called homophobic by people who only see that I am a Christian. I was not in a church and knew nothing about Salvation before I joined. It has allowed me to
            use my life experiences as applied to what the Lord says. In many cases it has benefited me and others. Anyone that honestly knows me would know that I am not phobic about anything. A phobia is a fear and I do not fear because God is with me, and I do not fear anything about
            gays. Not only that but you are upset that people are not showing anger about what the politicians say, when it should be the Christians being angry even more than the other people. It’s the Christians that are hiding behind their shame of the Gospel isn’t it, if they don’t speak out in anger about something they view as wrong? It may not change anything, but it should be done in a way that shows the light Jesus wants us to shine, so it is more likely to be listened to. When you want anything from the government it is the way you approach them whether they will listen. They don’t want to hear bitching,(excuse the word please) they want to hear reasons that will be listened to by other people. They don’t care how much they hate them, they care about how they can put that angle into his decisions.
            Politicians are about the vote more than what is good and right for the people. What do you really think will be the outcome to a meeting of the Christians that protest the gays.
            A homosexual’s sin is against our God, not the city, not the communities. Not against us either.

            I have never talked about the Toronto Pride Parade. I do not really know anything about it because I chose not to. I do not believe that anyone should act the way those who are being outrageous ones do,
            by what I have had described to me before. But I do know that there are also Homosexuals that are nothing like them and do not support the parades, and lots of them. Most homosexuals I’ve met, and heard about from others have been the most generous, kind and caring individuals I’ve known. There is not one that I know that believe anything evil.

            On the other hand, you talk about people who hate Christianity but have you really looked at how those ‘Christians’ that gays complain about and are as outrageous as the others above, because they are going against God. They yell and push things by being ignorant and hateful.
            They show more hate to the gays and not to their sin. And it isn’t like it is a discussion with the people to help them understand what they are saying and why, it is just a protest to the sin. They don’t find out what the people are like in any way, and just show hatred to them because of the sin they commit. We are not supposed to hate anyone.

            I do not involve myself in any protest and in nothing about what is going on in the world about them. I do not know many gays, and it’s something that I have to understand before I can discern whether they are people who will not listen, and will reject Salvation, so I know if they are lost to Jesus even and that I cannot do anything to help them. But if I am listened to because I show them love and compassion like Jesus
            did, I know there is something that has a chance to plant a seed in them that will lead them to repenting sin and want salvation. Jesus never said to give up on anyone without them knowing the truth about Salvation. If they won’t listen because of the negativity of the message by these more outrageous Christians then they will not hear about Salvation and will never be saved. Everyone has the chance to have Salvation. We are to tell the world about the gospel and Salvation with repentance. That is our duty as disciples of Jesus. Is that not what you believe?
            The way my religion believes by the scriptures is often said like this: if it is not in the bible, it is not truth.

            No. Not here. They would not even distance themselves from it.

            You tell me you are a diligent Christian so you should be aware of what Jesus said as well as the prophecies about the time before Jesus returns. When the end of time comes is pretty clearly laid out in the bible, as signs of it coming.
            If you review those things, not just in the NT but also by the prophets in the OT, you will realize that this is a sign for us. He said many will fall to the wayside and follow a different path. The Lord also referred to the evil in the world before the day. So look at the prophecies and revelation and see what is said, then remember Jesus said the signs were for a warning to us to get our salvation in order and so we would not worry about the state of the world, because He is aware of the problems we
            will have, and he will care for us.

            It will be God’s Will and isn’t something we can change, it is something Christians have to accept. He told us to watch (for the signs) and wait (for Jesus to return) and specifically told us not to worry about what we
            can’t change, but to look to Him for help during the last days.
            God does not say to work against them ourselves. Until the day that it is necessary to keep your life. Hopefully that won’t happen but He
            did not tell us that we would not die in those days either.
            Mostly He said to Trust Him. I cannot do less and looking at the signs showing I can’t deny anything either. But our belief is for us because non-believers will not recognize the signs and be ready to be brought up to heaven/or Judgement day. They laugh the idea off right now, as a myth or fairy tale, but there is a chance that those who mock God
            will be shown the Truth and it will be too late. Their choice, not mine.

            And then there’s Ambulance Chaser. He actually defended the pro-pedophilia Rind study. Yeah, he got blocked.

            I’m sorry you must have chosen someone else’s post if it defended the pro-pedophilia Rind study….
            I have never seen, nor do I believe that Ambulance Chaser would ever support pedophilia. Period.

            None of the people I consider as friends here would support it. Not one. They may support gays, but they will not support anything that would hurt a child. Nor do I. I don’t know that I would consider a friend that if I thought someone supported pedophilia will only accept that he has been a good friend, he has helped me and a lot of us understand some things, usually about law. He has always been polite and kind to me, so why should I think of him by his *sin*. If I did not know his sin, it wouldn’t matter because to me what matters is the kind of person they
            are first and then what sins are they not repenting for so I can help them see things differently than they do and hopefully accept Salvation. I don’t always know what people’s sins are, so I can’t treat one group because they needed to tell us of their sin only to get the privileges everyone else does by the people who choose to punish them for their sins, by treating them badly. They are not lesser than us, they are sinners just like us.

            If they had not had to show their sin openly, you would not necessarily know their sin. A friend could have been someone you respect and enjoy their company, because they are good people and behave like a Christian is to. So you don’t ask about his sin, you just accept him. At the most you will invite him to your church. – after his visit you find out that the friend you cared so much about to bring him to your church – as gay. This kind of scenario happens often from the things I’ve learned.

            When you were not aware of his sin, you loved and respected him. When you found out that he sins the way he does, you what? Hate Him? Or do you realize that caring about someone does not have to include their sins. Do you think you know everyone you know the sins they do?

            Do you see what I mean Jason?

            Someone who cared about someone before they found out they were gay should not be shunned, but instead you should tell him that he should have been honest with you, but he knew if he had that someone he truly enjoyed the company of and cared for as a friend, would not be as friendly when he found out and did not want that to happen so he hid
            it.
            This is what I am trying to get across here. The sins people do are their own crosses to bear. We are to love according to the last commandment and we do with people we are not aware of their sins, every day. Jesus wants us to bring everyone to salvation, and that includes the sinners.

            So to say I block people I do not agree with? Mistake #2.

            I guess you don’t have the patience I do. I don’t read them to only listen to what they say, but I also compare it to the Word of God. Then I try to help them understand about Salvation better.
            I try to show them the love that Jesus wants us to reflect to give God the Glory, by behaving with the love showing to everyone, not just Christians, not just family etc. But to everyone. Even if they are sinners (like we are) we should love the person and tell them about Jesus and Salvation by repentance.

            I can’t just abandon Jesus’ lost sheep. I need to help them understand and want salvation. Nothing I say or do is in conflict with the scriptures. That’s what I stand by. I put my honor on public comment boards, and I have to stick to the bible. I look most at the NT because Jesus said to follow the gospel to have salvation.

            I also have to take responsibility if I have something pointed out as an error, to go over it and decide if it is was my mistake and if it was, I apologize.

            Ok You are not one to lie. Got that!
            I apologize for any rude remarks.

            I believe that is wrong, just like you do, but it is not really a reason to think that ALL gays support it. I’ve not known any gays that have been said to prey on children at all, teaching or touching.

            Are you unhappy with the explicit sex tapes that are on YouTube?
            Or how about the videos teaching ISIS’ version of beliefs.
            They teach how to make bombs step by step which is where the bombs that have caused tragedy all over the world.
            They are putting up videos showing 2 or 3 year old shooting dead bodies – I have never seen more than 1 picture but it was obvious that the person was already dead before the toddler shot him. It is totally disgusting to everyone but ISIS, but they continue to spread ISIS hate by having the video’s on line.
            Any crude or vulgar video of the imaginations of unbelievers are showing Either that they want some fame and glory – or as we call it “their 15 minutes of Fame”.

            I agree that some things should be taken off YouTube, and if that is illegal, putting them in a place that innocent people can find them, so they are not rampant but maybe members ?

            Now, on to things biblical.
            Ok good.

            1) Where is respect mentioned in the Bible?
            Because of the 2nd commandment; We have to respect the person if we are not aware of their sins, just for basic manners. I am pretty sure you would respect most people you might meet. Except a gay person. With them you cannot respect them because they are sinners. It is I guess the respect some people on the basis of who they are, and never question it unless something is brought out to show it. Then when it’s something like, racism or going against the bible and them being the false prophets to come. Things that you disagree with. But it’s your beloved Uncle or Aunt you’ve known all your life. How can this be true? It is then you
            need to decide whether the one thing of knowing them and loving them is compatible with what happened. If they asked forgiveness, we are to forgive them their sins as God has ours. It is up to God when the person goes to Judgement Day – if he repented and did not do the sin again it had to be up to God because we don’t know either of these:
            what the person has already repented for and what were the situations about the sins we did not repent for. We also cannot see His heart, while God can. He can see the true Intent of the sin.

            2) Not only have I read the Bible more than once cover to cover, I also read it daily as well as a daily devotional. How about you?
            Besides using the bible here, yes I do read it daily as much as I am able to. I take scriptures out and put them into a small notebook to read their encouragement or the behavior I have to maintain. They give me stronger faith and stronger belief. It’s good for bus rides.

            Is that what you mean by a devotional’

            If you mean to Thank God for His Mercy and Grace of another day, and that I will follow his commandments to the best of my ability because I want to be more like Him by the end of the day?

            I guess that could also be something like “ I dedicate my day to you and will live as your humble servant”.

            3) You cannot lose your salvation. And, no, I am not going
            to debate that with you in a thread about McDonald’s fry boxes.

            Quick thought for you: Yes you can lose the salvation that is from water baptism. There is another part of the process to get into heaven.
            The baptism by fire of the Holy Spirit has to be done to ensure salvation. If you are still only under the water baptism, you can lose your salvation by turning away from God and sinning. Any sin without repentance will not be forgiven, even for the Saints or the ‘Elects’

            It is by the second baptism that you are assured salvation and a place in heaven.
            It is shown be the way John baptized in the river Jordan He often called out that someone better is coming, and that he will baptize them with the Holy Ghost when He is come.

            Finally, it occurs to me in reference to the first point you seem to equate the presentation of facts as rudeness and arrogance. Your willingness to disregard the underlying motivation of the atheists and homosexuals present demonstrates this.

            It’s also true that if anyone is being hateful, I ask them to stop so we are able to have discussions like we are here.

            I mention your behaviour because you are a Christian and should know the right way to behave whenever you relate to other people especially when you are trying to teach them about the bible. I apologize but I’ve seen a lot of your posts and they don’t shine Jesus’ light at all, and I have not seen your light at all in conversations.

            I guess I assumed you were an outrageous Christian and didn’t know the gospel as most of the posters I encourage to read the gospel and follow the 2 commandments that Jesus gave to us. It frustrates me that I am treated with fear because these “Christians” have been scary to them with their hate. That is not showing the world that we are trying to lead them by our light so they will see Jesus’ love and desire salvation by repentance. If they see Christians as haters, why would anyone
            want to be Christian? If any church does not teach them to love thy ‘neighbour’ as themselves, is not teaching them the true way to Jesus.

            Which makes me wonder how you’d react to Ben Shapiro.
            Sorry, I did not know the name so I googled it.
            So how do you think I should react?
            Of the articles I saw I disagreed with most of his views.

            I’m enjoying this discussion and I thank you for your kindness of the reply. God bless!

          • Amos Moses

            sorry ….. but scripture disagrees with you …… read Romans 1 ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            The scripture disagrees with me? How? It does not say that homosexuals are pedophiles. It just talks about homosexuality is a sin.
            No matter what else they are, they are sinners. They need to repent to be able to receive forgiveness and salvation. I have said that IN EVERY POST.
            Nothing I said goes against the scriptures.

            We are supposed to lead sinners to Jesus and His Salvation, are we not?
            Are homosexuals not sinners to Jesus? Yes they are.

            Therefore we are supposed to bring them to salvation for repentance of their sins. Just like we are supposed to with ANYONE. They are not different just because they sin differently they are still sinners, that need to repent.

            As Jesus’ last commandment told us to love everyone, we have to love everyone, including sinners, which includes homosexuals. Can you contest that?
            We don’t get hateful and demeaning to others who sin, how can you treat them any different? If they didn’t need equality to live their lives like we do every day without thought. They have to think about everything they do because they have been shunned by so many people who think the same way you do, with hate and scorn for the person, instead of for the sin you are telling them to repent from.

            Screaming “you are sinners, you will all go to hell” is not likely to do anything but make them return the hate you emit to them.

            It will never be able to bring people to salvation. You start off with a negative and people will not listen, whereas if you start with love, they will listen and maybe even long enough to know about Salvation and choose to repent. But they won’t even consider it if Christians are hateful and demeaning to them. They will expect only hatred and demeaning attitudes from the people who act like that and won’t want to come to listen about Jesus or Salvation. How is that going to help bring them to salvation, like Jesus wants. Homosexuals are part of the everyone when Jesus said He wants everyone to have salvation. They are also part of the command to love each other and the encouragement to treat people like you want to be treated. You are supposed to love your enemies as well.

            Each and everything I post is strictly applied from the scriptures. Therefore I am doing God’s work when I say what I say. Telling people what the Word of God says.

            If you think I’m doing it wrong, so be it, but don’t expect me to change with parts of scripture that reflect what sins are sins, but rather remember what Jesus told us before He was crucified. If you don’t know the gospel you will not understand what I am saying. If you don’t go read the bible to check out what I say, I will be disappointed in you. All I’ve ever asked is that people actually take their salvation in their own hands, and read the gospel to make sure you understand what you need to do before you can have salvation. It’s all your own responsibility to know where you are in your salvation. You don’t just join a church and bang you have salvation. It’s got to be believed in, and you are supposed to reflect what Jesus showed and told us in our behaviour so our behaviour (light) will shine and give God the Glory. Giving God the Glory is a necessity if you want to get to heaven. So is belief; and so is the fruit you offer to God.

            I just want you to look at the gospel so hopefully you will understand it clearly and be able to attain your own salvation. NO ONE ELSE can do anything to help you gain salvation except to point out where you are mistaken so you can repent and start again.

            That’s all I am about. I do not ever change scriptures, I do try not to insert my own opinions about scriptures except to explain them, and only to make them clearer for people who have given the wrong approach to look at them with.

            How is that wrong? And where did scriptures disagree with me? Good luck in finding anything that tells us to be hateful to anyone, let alone other sinners. Not going to happen. sorry.

            Try again to convince me that homosexuals are sinners to be convicted of their sins, and punished by the Christians without taking God’s right to convict and punish sinners? Who gave you that right. God didn’t. He told us to leave that to him and keep trying to bring sinners to Jesus and Salvation, which is all about Love not negative emotions at all.

            There is a saying that says”Love People, Love God.” It is a good way to be while we wait for our salvation.

            God blessings!

          • Amos Moses

            it says that those in rebellion do not have any bottom to their depravity ………..

            1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
            1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
            1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
            1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
            1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

            the word translated as “reprobate” …..

            G96
            ἀδόκιμος
            adokimos
            ad-ok’-ee-mos
            From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): – castaway, rejected, reprobate.

            and also ….. “inventors of evil things” … they do nothing but invent evil things to do …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            So you believe that we should not try to bring them to Salvation? Because they are big sinners?
            I’m sorry we are supposed to try to bring everyone to Salvation, regardless of their sins. As long as they repent of their sins, they will be saved. If they are aware of Salvation and reject it, then they cannot be saved, as the people in the scriptures were because they did not choose to believe in God.
            Do you not believe that all sinners can come to salvation then? Because otherwise no matter what you think, they are sinners that need to be brought to understand what salvation is, and that them must believe in it enough to repent of their sins.
            They will never come to Salvation if they do not understand it in the first place, and it’s our duty to teach it to everyone. right?
            Did you notice it does not say to treat them differently, but to leave them to their sins? We aren’t supposed to be angry at people who do not choose salvation? We are to leave them alone. That means not being angry with them, and not demeaning them for their sins.

            Philippians 2:12
            Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in
            my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out YOUR OWN SALVATION with fear and trembling.
            Each of us have to CHOOSE whether to have “life” or “Death” and that is why the ones that choose to ignore the offer of Salvation will not receive life, but they have to be given the information about Salvation before they can choose.

          • Amos Moses

            “So you believe that we should not try to bring them to Salvation? Because they are big sinners? ”

            yeah …. NOT what i said …. and NOT what we were talking about …..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Actually it was because the conversation began with you saying that the scripture proved I was wrong about something… and then we posted back and forth for a couple of posts until this one.
            You did not say it, but you DID imply that you felt that people who are sinners cannot be brought to salvation and I was saying they could, and we must try!
            “it says that those in rebellion do not have any bottom to their depravity” So since yours was about the how the rebellious are practically lost to salvation.
            We were rebellious towards God too before we were old enough to understand and believe in the gospel So anyone who is not yet saved is a Rebel.If we do not repent for our sins we are lost sheep who need their shepherd but because they were rebellious (sinned) they are not worthy of being saved. that is what you inferred by posting that scripture.
            So explain then what you did mean please?
            God bless!

          • Amos Moses

            yes … scripture says something different than what you said … in Romans 1 ….. but that has NOT ONE THING to do with not preaching the gospel …… NOR do WE bring them salvation ….. we bring them knowledge of Christ …. and that is ALL we do … i have NEVER saved anyone ….. and neither have you ……… no there was no implication ….. that is what you want to hear …. not what was said …..

            and BTW ….. it was God who said ……. “1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature” ….. and because of what they are doing … GOD “1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;” ….. so it is not MY judgement ….. it is GODS judgement upon them ……

          • Amos Moses

            really ….. because when most gay men are pressed on the issue ….. they admit to being a victim of it and victimizing the under aged ……..

          • Sharon_at_home

            Maybe some of them, but you cannot speak for every one of them.
            If they had been a victim then they should have gone to the police at the time. To stop others from becoming victims too. Sometimes you have to make a stand whether it’s embarrassing or not.
            ‘Most’ is actually a misleading word, because it is unlikely to be true.
            Besides, like what has been pointed out to you before, People have been victims of many things, but they don’t run out and make someone else a victim the same way.
            Do you go out and rob someone because you were robbed?
            Do women go out to rape a man because she was raped?
            Some heterosexuals are victims of all sorts of sin, but it does not make ever one of them to be the same as they were victimized.
            Don’t judge from what you have read unless you intentionally go to other sites that are negative to your thoughts, to get the other side. You may be surprised that you agree more with the positive then the negative.
            You will never convince me that God wants me to hate anyone. That is what you are trying to make me believe, that we should hate homosexuals, and that goes against the Word of God. I have scriptures to prove that, but I know you won’t be able to find scriptures that say we must hate the person who is a sinner,
            I am really tired of Christians that act with hate. That demean others for their sins. It’s not the way of Jesus and it’s going against a direct commandment. I hope you realize this and repent and ask God to help you stop the hating, and demeaning.
            God Bless!

          • Amos Moses

            hence “MOST” ……………..

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            If you want to know why Jerry Sandusky was a child molester, look at his father, a man who spent his adult life constantly working to get close to more and more children.

            Pedophilia isn’t about being gay or straight, it’s about be attracted to prepubescent children who haven’t developed any adult sexual characteristics.

          • Nick Bush

            All you proved was that he was attracted to boys. You didn’t prove that everyone who is attracted to the same sex is attracted to children of the same sex. By your logic, you’re attracted to little girls since you’re straight.

          • Vance Vance

            A pedophile, no matter his inclination, is a pedophile first.

          • Amos Moses

            tell it to Harvey Milk ….. oh right ….. hes dead …….

          • Parodyx

            Murdered.

          • Amos Moses

            and child molester ….. well the kid was under age and technically it makes him a pederast ….. but still …… the kid he did it to committed suicide …..

          • Parodyx

            Which justifies murder?

          • Amos Moses

            again ….. strawman argument ….. i never said he deserved murder …… although his acts led to anothers death ………….

          • Parodyx

            What IS your point then?

          • Amos Moses

            that homosexual HM was a pederast and LEGALLY a child molester ……… statutory rape of a minor is child molestation ……… and his victim committed suicide ……

          • Parodyx

            I have seen nothing online to indicate Harvey Milk was ever involved with anyone under the age of 16.

          • Amos Moses

            One of Milk’s victims was a 16-year-old runaway from Maryland named Jack Galen McKinley. As previously mentioned, Milk had a soft spot in his, um, heart for teenage runaways. Motivated by an apparent quid pro quo of prurience, Milk plucked McKinley from the street.
            Randy Thomasson, child advocate and founder of SaveCalifornia com, is one of the nation’s foremost experts on Harvey Milk. Of the Shilts biography, Thomasson notes, “Explaining Milk’s many flings and affairs with teenagers and young men, Randy Shilts writes how Milk told one ‘lover’ why it was OK for him to also have multiple relationships simultaneously: ‘As homosexuals, we can’t depend on the heterosexual model. … We grow up with the heterosexual model, but we don’t have to follow it. We should be developing our own lifestyle. There’s no reason why you can’t love more than one person at a time.'”
            Whereas McKinley, a disturbed runaway boy, desperately sought a “father figure” to provide empathy, compassion, wisdom and direction, he instead found Harvey Milk: a promiscuous sexual predator who found, in McKinley, an opportunity to satisfy a perverse lust for underage flesh.
            Years later McKinley committed suicide.
            this one is well known ….. there were numerous others …… i have no evidence HM was checking IDs for age appropriateness ………. nor any that he cared ………

          • Oboehner

            Straw man crap. If Jerry was abusing boys, that’s homosexual behavior plain and simple.

          • Parodyx

            All the rules of normal adult male/female attractions go out the window when you are discussing pedophilia. Which is why we see that the bulk of abusers are straight men. The attractions you form in your adult years are not applicable here.

          • Jason Todd

            Yes, Terry Bean.

            Which is why I refer to the Human Rights Campaign as the pedophile-founded Human Rights Campaign, and encourage everyone else to do the same.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Men who prey on boys are the vilest things on earth.”

            I won’t say that’s not vile, but are you suggesting it’s more so than women preying on little boys, men preying on little girls, or even women preying on little girls?

          • james blue

            Heterosexual men molest girls. Watch “to catch a predator”

            Does that mean heterosexual men are pedophiles?

            What about pastors and priests?

          • tatoo

            The clergy molest boys and girls. Clergymen are the vilest things on earth.

          • Sharon_at_home

            Another one like this. SMH.
            Well I do think you watch a lot of false news because it is not a “frequent” thing at all.

            Gays do not prey on young boys. Most gays like their partners older than the age you are implying. Mostly close to their own age, from what I’ve seen.

            So try again. Skip the first line and put your last line in it’s place; it would be much more accurate.

            God bless!

          • Nick Bush

            What about men who prey on girls? Or do you not want people to talk bad about you?

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          They greatly hurt children and other tribes before they die. That’s the problem. A society must not be controlled by inclination to Sodomy. They hurt global children before they perish. That must be the reason why God wiped out Noah’s generations, Sodom and Gomorrah, and the tribes in Canaan. USA should not behave like a Sodom for the sake of all Earthlings. All people have rights to live, not just the rich.

        • Nick Bush

          I like that idea. I also like the idea of homophobes who conflate homosexuality and pedophilia dying of cancer and having their idiotic views going extinct.

      • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

        What is it with you creepy weirdos always believing that being opposed to x means that you actually are x yourself? Are women secretly giant spiders or what?

        Besides, I don’t even eat fast food, and maybe the one good thing that will come out of the fact that all these big companies support sodomy will be that God’s elect won’t eat so much junk anymore.

        • SFBruce

          From a heath perspective, I’m not sure Chick-fil-A is a better choice.

          • Jason Todd

            That company has done quite well without ever having to embrace and promote sexual perversion. In fact, they survived an all-out attack from the LGBTQW crowd, declared for just that reason.

          • SFBruce

            I don’t dispute the fact that they had an initial surge in business, but if they thought that was a great long term strategy, why did they issue the following statement in September 2012? “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”

          • Jason Todd

            The statement is so vague and non-specific for you to bring it up makes as much sense as me posting a photo of a rabbit with a pancake on its head, which I would have done if I could.

            Your argument is invalid.

          • SFBruce

            “…not supporting organizations with political agendas,” certainly would include organizations like the National Organization for Marriage, which exists for one highly specific reason: opposition to same sex marriage.

            And again, simply declaiming my argument is invalid means nothing, especially when it’s preceded by an absurd analogy about rabbits and pancakes.

          • Jason Todd

            This discussion is also over. Straw grasping doesn’t impress me.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            In other words, you can’t support your position once facts are introduced.

            Again.

          • Parodyx

            It would be interesting if you could get through the conversation without lying.

        • Parodyx

          Well what did you bring up AIDS for?

          And what does “sodomy” have to do with anything for that matter? An act that straight people do with more frequency than the LGBT community? And why make it all about sexual activity for that matter?

          • Vince

            Because we pay your medical bills, that’s why.

          • Parodyx

            Nice sentiment, but I am not gay nor a pedophile. Too bad you don’t realize that many gay men just want a committed life with a single person.

          • Parodyx

            No you don’t.

          • rubellapox2

            Hahahahaha. How? I mean how much does a person like you living in a trailer park make?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            because LGBT people are Defined by their sex and/or gender. SEX SEX SEX and parts

          • Parodyx

            Not all of them. Saying all LGBT people are like the political flamboyant parade people is like saying all Christians are like the Westboro Baptist Church.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Um..no. Westboro is not Christian. Gays who think the parades are out of touch should step up and say so.Your parades define you. Companies that support are condoning and encouraging and financing deviance..

          • Parodyx

            For every out and loud person who attends a Pride parade there is another LGBT person who wouldn’t be caught dead at one. There is just as much diversity in the LGBT community in that respect as there is in the straight community.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Maybe.. Maybe not. I believe God loves all of His children but Seriously this whole topic gives me the creeps

          • james blue

            Why is Westboro not Christian?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Because of their actions.

          • james blue

            Please make a case.

            Do they not believe the path to salvation comes only through Christ?

            Other than the “jerkiness” of their methods what do they preach that isn’t preached by any other conservative Christian church?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Hate

          • james blue

            I already asked “other than being a bunch of jerks”, what about their beliefs and their acceptance of Christ differ? They are simply extremists — Christian extremists — and their base message about the sin of homosexuality etc. is no different from what you’d read on conservative Christian sites like this one or hear from a pastor in a conservative Christian church.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            The difference is I would Never do what they do at funerals, etc. And neither would anyone at my church. It’s not Christian to be ‘extreme’. That doesn’t mean we’re going to stop believing in and supporting the Bible and God’s laws

          • james blue

            I didn’t ask what difference there is between their behavior and yours, I asked what difference there is in their beliefs and acceptance of Christ as their savior.

            It’s shameful that they behave as they do, but they are Christians.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            No. They’re not. Being a Christian is more than a declaration of beliefs.. It’s action. Jesus would not approve so they’re not true followers

          • rubellapox2

            Yet you paint all gay people with the broadest of brushes… as if we all lead the same lives and do the same things… hypocrite….

          • Chris

            Hold on. Isn’t there a saying that goes ‘I’m not perfect, just forgiven?”

            Wouldn’t that mean that someone could act disgracefully and still be a Christian?

          • rubellapox2

            They identify as Christians, so yea, same thing…

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            No sexuality is defined by your ability to feel sexual attraction and ability to forge deep emotional bonds with a person of whatever gender. I knew that I was attracted to girls from about the age of nine. I didn’t get to act on that for several years.

            Also, people who physically cannot engage in sexual activity can still feel sexual desire. And religious types who take a vow of chastity… aren’t they still somewhere on the spectrum of sexual attraction?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Just because something is legal or feels good doesn’t make it right. Or ok. Or moral. The lines have been erased legally but that won’t change God’s laws. They are irrevocably decreed

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            The God better enforce those laws.

          • Chris

            Allow me to tell you a true story then.

            A young man came out as gay. His mother was crushed. Like you she thought that gays were only interested in sex.

            Her son lived a free and easy life for a while and then settled down with one partner. Trouble was he then found out that he had AIDS. His partner tested clear though.

            Secx was now out but his partner stuck with him. Nursing him as the guy became weaker and weaker.

            The mother came to visit one day and saw her son’s partner on his hands and knees cleaning up vomit. After asking where her son was the partner replied ‘coughing his guts up in the toilet. When he’s finished I’ll carry him back to bed.

            Then the thought stuck the mother ‘if this was a woman doing all this for my son I’d be thinking ‘see how much she loves my son’. Why can’t I admit it’s love merely because it’s another man?”

            So was it love? It was no longer a sexual relationship yet the partner stayed with her son, and nursed him. Why, if not out of love?

          • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

            Because it IS a sexual activity you people are celebrating and promoting here. No one has a problem with men “loving” each other. Every soldier and every father of sons “loves” other men. Love is “to be delighted by the happiness of another” (Leibniz”) to give a non-Biblical definition. It’s just wicked that you people have subverted the meaning of love until it meant “two reprobates changing the natural use into that which is against nature.”

            Ceterum Censeo: some of you should be banned. The comment section here has become unbearable. You have big business, academia, hollywood, all the mainstream media and a President who promises blood, sweat and tears just to protect you from Muslims (while Christians aren’t even protected from you!) But you are like cancer, you must spread and spread and spread until EVERYTHING is destroyed, until not even some tiny Christian site can have some peace.

          • Parodyx

            So why is it with a straight couple it’s a relationship, and with an LGBT couple it’s just “sexual activity”? Answer – because you refuse to allow yourself to believe LGBT people can actually experience love between one another.

            There are different types of love – Eros, philos, agape, etc. Erotic love is the issue here. Like any other romantic relationship, yes, it is accompanied by sex. But it is not defined by it. If it grosses you out to think about it, maybe DON’T think about it?

            And you can knock off the “you people” crap anytime because I am not gay.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            This comment section is unbearable? You would prefer if it were a place where you could say whatever you want, no matter how incorrect, and not be challenged?

          • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

            One or two of your kind could stay to debate. But other than that, it would indeed be better, if Christians of various denominations could talk with each other, etc. Besides, your kind has absolutely no right to accuse us of wanting to be unchallenged. Your kind has abolished freedom of speech and essentially installed an anti-Christian dictatorship. When Christians were in charge, there was more freedom of speech in universities and the media. Since you are in charge, only the promotion of Islam and feminism are allowed, everything else is outlawed and illegal.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That’s a bunch of nonsense, not even befitting a response.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          “What is it with you creepy weirdos always believing that being opposed to x means that you actually are x yourself?”

          I try to avoid always jumping to that conclusion myself, but there definitely has been a good number of famous instances of people who spoke out vehemently against homosexuals, then ended up being involved in some sort of gay sex scandal or something.

          • TomfromErie j

            A persons sin will find them out.

  • Becky

    “The company’s slogan will be ‘Lovin’ is Lovin’”.

    Should be, Lustin’ is Lustin’. (Romans 1:24-32)

    • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

      “Love means that we live according to God’s commandments.” 2 John 1:6

      Christianity is all about love. Subvert the meaning of love and you subvert Christianity.
      They are just wicked! They have subverted both the word love and the rainbow, a symbol for God’s mercy.

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        “Love is real and not fade away” – Buddy Holly

        A rainbow is merely light refracted by water suspended in the air.

        • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

          No one has a problem with men “loving” each other. Every soldier and every father of sons “loves” other men. Love is “to be delighted by the happiness of another” (Leibniz”) to give a non-Biblical definition. It’s just wicked that you people have subverted the meaning of love until it meant “two reprobates changing the natural use into that which is against nature.”

          Ceterum Censeo: some of you should be banned. The comment section here has become unbearable. You have big business, academia, hollywood, all the mainstream media and a President who promises blood, sweat and tears just to protect you from Muslims (while Christians aren’t even protected from you!) But you are like cancer, you must spread and spread and spread until EVERYTHING is destroyed, until not even some tiny Christian site can have some peace.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Way to make assumptions. I’m the very straight father of three and grandfather of one.

            I was also a Muslim for my quarter-century on the planet.

            Love takes many forms. I love the San Francisco Giants, but I wouldn’t want to have sex with them. Although getting a Buster Hug would be nice.

            My grandfather had three wives, all of whom he loved. I have no idea how that dynamic worked, he lived in Syria and i didn’t meat him until I was 17, but that house was filled with love and devotion.

            I have LGBT friends and family. I don’t understand it, I don’t have to. I just follow the ethical teachings I was given and let people live their lives so long as it harms none.

            As for this site, I follow the rules for commenting scrupulously. Feel free to block me (click on my user name, and on that page you can opt to block me, you’ll never see anything I post anywhere) if you find the application of logic so unappealing.

            But if I may so bold, this bunker effect, the demand that all opposing viewpoints and questions be shut out, is why religion is shrinking in America. Today’s young adults were raised with the ability to see the entire world, to have friends on every continent, and to retrieve the knowledge of the ages in a heart beat.

            They reject your type of isolationism. The reject strict dogma. More and more millennials describe themselves as spiritual rather than religious, and more and more are coming out as atheist.

            And largely, one of the problems is you demands for a safe space where you only see and hear what has been filtered for you.

          • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

            First a Muslim, now a fagnostic, always fighting against The Truth and now even causing the little ones to sin, well congratulations! It’s also ridiculous that YOUR KIND of all things accuses of Christians of having a “bunker mentality” and longing for a “safe space” when it’s YOUR KIND that has abolished freedom of speech. You want to see what bunker mentality and a “safe space” looks like? GO TO A COLLEGE CAMPUS. “Safe Space” is even a term created by your LGBTP-crowd!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            First you complain that people are allowed to disagree with you. Then you complain that there are places where people are not allowed to disagree.

            Which one is the problem? Please, pick a position and stick with it.

          • https://smultronstalletoutsidethecamp.wordpress.com Smultronstället

            At the end of the day, we need more power not more freedom of speech, of course. In a Christian society, your kind would be punished, of course.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Well, it’s a good thing we don’t live in a Christian society then.

          • Nick Bush

            Christian ISIS.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I find it pretty amusing that you’re the one who accused people of always thinking that whoever is opposed to something is secretly attracted to it, yet when anyone says something pro-LGBT, you seem to jump to the conclusion that that means they’re LGBT themselves.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Atheist, to be accurate.

            I’m just pointing out reality. Church attendance in the United States is plummeting, and more and more young adults list themselves as having no religion. Part of the reason is the closed minds of many religious sects. Trust me, one of the reasons I left Islam was the lack of free debate allowed.

            No, we liberals are the ones defending free speech. We want all points heard, want all religions to flourish. So long as that freedom does not threaten the freedom of others in the process.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          A rainbow is light refracted by water, but it’s still God’s light shaped as a bow. God Himself is Light and in Him is no darkness at all.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            And if you find the end of the rainbow there’s a leprechaun with a pot of gold.

            Both our statements have equal evidence to support them.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Come, come. You know that’s dishonest. You are equating fairy tales with an historically sound book.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Portions of the Old Testament make for good, if utterly biased, history. But it’s still filled with stories you would consider fairy tales if they weren’t from your holy text.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s false. The Bible is included in the historical data base of universities and colleges as an historical source.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            I never said it wasn’t. Herodotus is also in university reading lists, and historians call him the father of lies. The Bible is useful for seeing how the Judeans viewed their history. The Assyrians wrote different histories, as did the Hittites and Egyptians.

            Most US history books make it look like America won the war while downplaying the fact that it was the Soviet Union that took the most casualties and destroyed the German armed forces in detail. The western front was a distraction.

            This is because American textbook writers will focus on what Americans did. It’s a local bias. Which every culture has. Which is why historians will use the Bible as a reference, but not depend on it entirely.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re answering with the Muslim bias you were raised with. The Bible is not used as a historical source for personal views, whether it be for Judaism or anything else. It’s used as an actual historical source, which is why no serious historian debates the historicity of Jesus Christ.

          • Chris

            “Herodotus is also in university reading lists, and historians call him the father of lies.”

            I’m not surprised. According to Herodotus the further he went away from Greece the more unnatural people became. That proved, to Herodotus at least, that Greece was where normality and civilization lived. Everywhere else were barbarians.

  • SFBruce

    I’m not sure why this is newsworthy. Most businesses have figured out that gay people exist, have money, and would like their business, so they choose to target some advertising to LGBT people.

    • Vince

      We know you exist. Every time I write out a check to Blue Cross, I’m paying the medical bills of people like you. Decent healthy people who lead respectable lives are now forced by the US government to foot the bills of people with the morals of dogs. You hate us, but you shouldn’t, because some of us have to stay healthy to pay the bills of those who spread incurable diseases and molest our children. It’s ironic that gays call themselves “oppressed,” when in fact you get quite a good deal in America, your vulgar lifestyle subsidized by good and decent people.

      • SFBruce

        That’s what insurance is. Everyone pays in order to ensure coverage for those who need it, and that includes many people who may have made poor lifestyle choices. Everyone deserves health care. I don’t hate you, but I disagree with just about every word you’ve written about gay people.

        • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

          I should pay for the poor choices of other people? WHY? That’s just crazy talk

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Unless you’re some type of world class athlete, I’m paying for your poor choices also.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            What? I have private insurance and have been to the hospital four times-to have children-and I paid my own bills

          • Ambulance Chaser

            If you have private insurance, you didn’t pay your own bills. The other people in your plan paid almost all of them.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            You really don’t understand insurance, do you.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            I know I pay a fortune

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Really? Four years ago, while reading at home, I went to reach for my beer. I woke up a week later in the hospital. I had suffered a massive stroke.

            Ever seen a hospital bill for a quarter of a million dollars? I have. that was for my first week in the ICU. Second week in the Stroke Center coast nearly as much. Then three weeks of in-patient rehab, and months of weekly outpatient rehab.

            All in all, a bit over $2 million dollars. I paid less than 10 grand. Because I had very good insurance. Insurance is the investment you don’t want see pay off. Same thing with car insurance, homeowners, business, etc. You buy it just in case you need it when an emergency strikes.

            I saw you have four kids, congrats! We stopped at three. Average cost of having a baby in a hospital is $8,800. That’s with less than a 24 hours stay after birth. At home births cost only a bit less due to many states having requirements for who must attend the birth.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Yikes! Sorry to hear that. My brother’s son had leukemia.. Do that math! Millions. The moral of your story is of course to not drink 🍺! Ha. You also just made the case for repealing the unaffordable care act. It’s not insurance if it’s preexisting. Try to get that from home or car insurance

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            So, you actively want you nephew to never have insurance again?

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Has it for life through st Jude. One should always carry at least catastrophic

          • Colin Rafferty

            Your premiums for private insurance are still paying for the health care of other customers of your insurance company. Or theirs is paying for yours, depending on luck.

          • Patti Sullivan Brasga Radovich

            Ok but at least Everyone’s paying

          • rubellapox2

            Even gay people who are healthy.. that’s right…

          • Colin Rafferty

            Right, that’s insurance. In what insurance plans are gay people not paying?

          • rubellapox2

            Well, guess what sweetie? many gay people also have private insurance and pay their own bills.. don’t know where you’re getting this crap that you’re somehow paying our medical bills…

      • TheKingOfRhye

        “Decent healthy people who lead respectable lives are now forced by the US government to foot the bills of people with the morals of dogs.”

        It’s called insurance, like SFBruce said. You know straight people do things that raise insurance rates too, right? If you have a problem with the way that works, fine, but that’s a separate issue.

    • Amos Moses

      because if you dont advertise for gay dollars ….. gays will never come …… false argument …… and in the mean time you offend your other customers …….. (eyeroll) ………

      • TheKingOfRhye

        “and in the mean time you offend your other customers”

        Speak for yourself. There are plenty of heterosexual people (like myself) who aren’t offended by this sort of thing in the least, and actually support it. It seems like some people here always forget that, and try to paint some picture of how it’s the LGBT vs. the rest of the world, or something, but that’s just not the reality of the situation.

        • Parodyx

          “Speak for yourself”

          He struggles with that.

        • Amos Moses

          speaking for all who are offended ….. by those who CLAIM it is their personal business ….. and no one elses business ….. but then feel the need ….. to broadcast their business to those who want them to KEEP IT THEIR OWN PRIVATE BUSINESS ……….. but DONT ………

          just more lies they tell …………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay, you’re “speaking for all who are offended”, fine. But that’s not what you said before. “Your other customers” implies something like ALL other customers, as in all heterosexual customers, are offended, but that’s not even close to the truth.

          • Amos Moses

            no ….. all the other customers who have given them their patronage …… about whom they seem less concerned …………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Again, all their other customers aren’t offended by this sort of thing. Do you really think that’s the case?

          • Amos Moses

            never said ALL ………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yes, you did.

            “all the other customers who have given them their patronage”

            Before that, you said “your other customers”. Not “some customers”, just “your customers.”. That implies you mean all.

          • Amos Moses

            so try READING it …… it says all the OTHER customers ….. NOT ALL the customers …………. which is what you said …. and what YOU want it to mean …. and NOT what i said ………

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Try reading your own posts yourself and consider how they’re worded. I see what you mean now, but the way you put it was not what you meant, in that case. We were talking about the LGBT customers. You then said “all the other customers.”. That means everybody else.

            Anyway, I still think it’s a point worth mentioning here, that the amount of people offended by such things is probably less than some people here make it out to be.

          • Amos Moses

            i know what i wrote ………. i know how you are trying to twist what i wrote ……..

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I’m not trying to twist anything, I’m just saying what I thought what you wrote seemed to mean, in the way you put it. If you had said something about “all the customers who were offended”, instead of “all of the other customers”, your point would have been much clearer.

  • TheLastHonestLawyer

    I am shocked, shocked, I tell you, to see an American corporation pander to a demographic with larger than average disposable incomes.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Funny how homosexuals are allegedly so persecuted yet have larger than average disposable incomes, isn’t it?

      • TheLastHonestLawyer

        Comes from not generally having kids.

        But what would you call it if this was happening to Christians?

        22,300* attacked or murdered every year in the United States just for being Christian (motive verified by confession or police investigation)

        In 28 states you can be fired for being Christian.

        State legislatures are actively pushing measures to deny Christians basic protections against discrimination in housing, employment, and public accommodations.

        Christians only gained the right to marry a few years ago, and it is still called fake marriage by many.

        Well? If these things were happening to you, what would you call it? If a deranged gunman broke into a church and killed 49 people and wounded 53 other because they were Christian, what would you call that?

        Please try to give a coherent answer, because that is what LGBT people in America face. It’s why they have Pride marches. Are you familiar with the St. Patrick’s Day marches in Boston and New York City? They started the same way, as political marches to raise visibility and show unity.

        *I took the most recent number for single-motive crimes based on sexual orientation and multiplied it by 20 to better reflect the larger number of Christians in the nation. The number is probably far too small, as many hate crimes never get reported.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          At least one Christian is murdered per hour. Can’t say the same about the homosexual community.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Are the murdered for being Christian? In the United States?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sometimes.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            My sources was, as I said, exclusive to those attacks carried out solely because of the victim’s sexual orientation.

            Please, give me five cases in the last five years where a Christian in America was killed solely because he was a Christian.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Rachel Scott.

          • Bob Johnson

            So he came up with one name, 18 years ago, and while she was Christian, the massacre was in no way directed at Christians because they were Christians.

  • Gena B

    Who cares what color the boxes are, it’s the contents that scare me, yuck!

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    West’s new imperialism is by Sodomy this century. So unthinkably wrong. Any installation of falsehood is a slavery by sin. All free men please stand up.

    • Dianne

      Grace, I’m convinced that you suffer from OCD ( Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) when it comes to the West. Is your nation of South Korea CLEANSED OF IT’S FILTHINESS YET?? NO IT IS NOT and never will be. This world will end forever as Jesus said it would, and then there shall be a new heaven and a new earth for the righteous in CHRIST ONLY. Pray for the LOST instead of condemning the west. Evil men will wax worse and worse according to biblical prophecy. So STOP thinking that the West will stop it. The East/ Asia will continue in WICKEDNESS TOO. This is a GOBAL PROBLEM just like sex trafficking of which the MAJORITY HAPPENS IN ASIAN COUNTRIES. I do not nor should anyone keep LAMBASTING those who live in Asian countries about it because it is a sin issue and people need to REPENT and receive Jesus Christ in their hearts and minds for them to be delivered from this PRESENT DARKNESS. Hold to the TRUTH OF THE WORD and get your peace in the LORD. Please read and apply Psalm 37 to your life.

  • alex

    Some people talk about rainbows being shoved in your face…. can you do the same with religion , its toxic and rude and is often complicit in the horrible things that happen to the LGBT community… get a grip on reality and maybe you won’t need to see the ugly evil rainbows everywhere you go… ty and have a good day

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Then why appropriate a Judaic-Christian symbol?

      • Bob Johnson

        Virtually every religion has incorporated rainbows into their mythology. Why is it that Christians try to claim exclusive use of the Hawaiian rainbow.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          That’s historically false, Bob. The Biblical reference is the oldest.

          • Tangent002

            “I got here first, so I get all the cake!”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You probably hate First Nations people too.

      • Tangent002

        A rainbow is not a Judaic-Christian symbol any more than it is a symbol for Hinduism (Indra’s bow).

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          That’s false because its historical reference is a Judaic Christian one. You support cultural appropriation and cultural genocide.

  • Oboehner

    At least if is fitting, garbage on the inside, garbage on the outside.

  • Robert

    I will not use McDonalds ANY more now that I know this.I don’t want my money financing that, not one penny.

    • Tangent002

      Your overall health will likely improve.

      • Bob Johnson

        “The secret of healthy hitch-hiking is to eat junk food.” – Ford Prefect

  • jmstalk

    Fairwell McDonalds. Your food is garbage anyway.

  • David MacKenzie

    It must be fascinating being a member of the political Left, where a relatively new rage called “cultural appropriation” somehow does not apply when it comes to using a Biblical symbol to represent something the Bible warns is sin.

    • Tangent002

      Sorry, Christians do not own the rainbow.

      • David MacKenzie

        By all the standards of “appropriation” (an absurd and utterly ridiculous concept, I’ll grant you), you’d only be partly right. The rainbow “belongs” first to God, then to the people of the Biblical tradition— whether Jewish or Christian.

        • This style 10/6

          There were rainbows ever since the sun shone through raindrops – long before Noah ever built his impossible ark.

          • David MacKenzie

            By all present-day empirical observation, you’d be correct. But that’s not the political point, is it?

          • This style 10/6

            The point is that the rainbow has nothing to do with god, it is and always has been a natural phenomenon and so “belongs” to no one.

          • David MacKenzie

            Were you there with Noah? Then, your empiricism can neither confirm nor deny whether the rainbow has anything to do with God. Obviously, then, there is a limit to your empirical observations.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            Were you?

          • David MacKenzie

            No, but there is a public record of that meeting.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            No, there isn’t. Not one that would pass muster with any court. Instead, we have a third or fourth hand account at best with no evidence to support its authenticity.

          • David MacKenzie

            “Third or fourth hand”? Considering you call yourself a lawyer, you would have to slog long and hard even to attempt to prove this singular point you just threw out there so matter-of-factly.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            OK, what version of the Bible do you use? What translation? I’m assuming it is in English, which means that you are using a version that is the result of several translations. Also, there is no evidence to prove that the story as written happened as written. I could bring in a bevy of expert witnesses in several fields who would testify to the fact that the idea of a global flood and humanity being reduced to a handful of people is not supported by observable evidence.

            Then I would introduce the Epic of Gilgamesh, specifically Tablet XI and the story of Utnapishtim, who was told by Ea that the Gods were going to flood the Earth, and that he should build a raft large enough for his family and the village craftsmen, as well as all their animals. For doing this, Utnapishtim was granted eternal life.

            That story was written down a thousand years before the earliest scraps of Genesis are known to have existed. Seems the Hebrews borrowed some stories from their masters during the Babylonian captivity.

            So I could show that there is a high probability that the Flood story was based on an older myth, one that you are reading through several translations with no evidence on who wrote it.

            If I got you one the stand, I’d ask just two questions.. how long was the ark at sea, and how many of each animal were brought aboard?

            Can you answer those two questions?

          • David MacKenzie

            So you assume that truth MUST get lost in translation? We both know that’s not necessarily so.

            And while we both know that observable evidence of such an unprecedented event WOULD BE lacking, it is curious and also equally true that science finally admits that there is, indeed, enough water stored at depth in rock to do precisely what the Bible maintains.

            Because the traditional Pentateuch authorship, outside of the Wellhausen hypothesis, was attributed to Moses, it is also interesting to note that even Moses would admit that he was writing way after Noah’s timeline. Hence, one could also argue (and many have) that the Epic of Gilgamesh, given the odd theme, could actually bolster the likelihood of a flood event of some kind.

            Off the top of my head, the timeline between getting on the Ark and off was about a year, with unclean animals being paired, and clean animals going aboard in groups of seven.

          • TheLastHonestLawyer

            No, I’m pointing out you do not have a first hand source. You have a tale that has been told and retold, with details changed and lost, before being written down and translated several times before it reached you.

            A first-hand source would be a document written by a direct witness.

            So, Moses wrote about his own death and funeral? Now that’s dedication.

            Sorry, but Genesis 7:17 says the flood lasted forty days, and Genesis 6:19 says only one pair of every animal was brought on board. Also, the two variant stories have Noah released either a raven or a dove to find land.

            Those inconsistencies are enough to destroy the idea of Genesis as a primary source. It shows that the story of Noah was compiled from older sources, and not very well, as the inconsistencies were allowed to stay in.

          • David MacKenzie

            I always appreciate probing minds, but there is a point where textual criticism starts looking like criticism for the sake of criticism— not for the purpose of exposing truth. Here are a few questions: 1) why would you assume that Genesis 6:19 somehow disqualifies or abrogates Genesis 7:2, as opposed to 7:2 just providing additional information? 2) Why would a flood lasting forty days, NOT have an effect well beyond forty days? Precipitation may be described in one way, flooding in another. We are, after all, told that the great deeps burst forth, not just the heavens (7:11).

            Also, textual ambiguity of species (the whole raven or dove issue) is more likely evidence of difficulty fully porting the Hebrew understanding of “birds” to our modern classifications. There’s bound to be some difficulty in translation at this point. Just think of a bat, for example.

            Your point of Moses writing about his own death is well taken, but why would third-person narration at some points in the text, somehow, negate the attributed authorship of Moses at all other points? Like it or not, to take the text seriously, is to note those times in which first-person language is being utilized, as well as third-person language. One cannot do the latter, without the former.

          • Amos Moses

            nothing you have will “pass muster” in Gods court …….. you will be without excuse ……….

          • Amos Moses

            “The point is that the rainbow has nothing to do with god”

            no evidence to prove that ……….

          • This style 10/6

            Hardly seems necessary!

          • Amos Moses

            yeah …. no ….. until Noah built the Ark ….. it had NEVER rained ……….. that was the first time it had EVER rained ……… and why no one believed him when he told them what was coming …… for 120 years ………..

          • This style 10/6

            Come on! Pull the other leg, it’s got bells on.

        • Tangent002

          Does Indra need to give his bow back?

      • Amos Moses

        yeah …. GOD does …… and the LGBLT know it ….. and only use a 6 color rainbow and not a 7 ………….

    • Blake Paine

      Cultural appropriation is misunderstood on both sides. It really is only about things that are insensitively ‘misappropriated’.

      Example, I had inherited a nice brass statue of Ganesha, the Hindu elephant god and used it as a door stop. At a party a person who was actually Hindu told me that offended him since he as a child had gone to the temple and lit incense and left offerings to Ganesha. I thought about it and offered him the statue. He declined but did ask I not use Ganesha to prop open a door.

      How would you feel if a nonChristian were using a Catholic cross with Jesus on it as a doorstop to see how that might feel.

      But the rainbow colors? Those are a physical reality that belong to everyone with a prism, someone trying to say they have a ‘copyright’ on the colors of the spectrum is simply over reach.

      • David MacKenzie

        It is doubtless misunderstood on all sides, as it is an absurdity. If we are going to leave it to the subjective “police” to define “insensitive”, then we are NEVER going to arrive at a conclusion of just what is appropriate or inappropriate appropriation.

  • Retta Kelley

    I guess we will not be stopping at McDonald’s any more.

    • zeddicuskotor

      You’d need to live in a cave to avoid all the companies that support equality in America.

      • Tangent002

        Retta might as well drop off the Internet altogether. I’m not aware of a single tech hardware, software, or services provider that is opposed to LGBT equal rights.

        • zeddicuskotor

          Microsoft being one of the first to do so.

  • Sharon_at_home

    In case of people being upset that the LGBT’s use the rainbow that we consider a sign from God, you should be aware that it is not the same rainbow. They have used less colours than the real rainbow.

  • PBHayes

    There is nothing worth celebrating when it comes to homosexuality. One must ask why heterosexuals never ask for special protections or benefits or parades or whatever.

    • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

      Errr, because heterosexuals are not the brunt of Christian hatred and bodily attacks? Ya think that might be a reason? Were there no protections, then it is almost certain that some good Christians would go on the attack.

      But besides that. Any group of citizens who exercise their right to march (same right as other groups), and are the target of much irrational animosity, should certainly receive greater protection than groups not such a target. And this includes a group that I despise, the KKK and their ilk (of whom virtually all claim to be Christian). They, too, have a right to march, but the protection would be as much for the bystanders as it would the march.

      • PBHayes

        Total BS. I was born and raised Irish Catholic and have traveled the entire world. I’ve never heard any Christians state any hatred or support violence against homosexuals. If you had stated that Islam hated and was involved in the murder of homosexuals that certainly would have had credibility. Christianity is not the problem. Further, animosity towards gays is imaginary. Just because someone doesn’t support your position or your lifestyle doesn’t make their opinion irrational. It also depends on how a person lives their sexuality. When someone continuously identifies themselves by their sexuality it is not only tiresome but boorish. No one wants to be around people who wear their sexuality on their sleeves.

        • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

          Well, first of all, you were not born Catholic. A child is born neither Christian, nor Jew, nor Muslim, nor atheist, nor an adherent to any other brand of religious or philosophical order. A child is born a human being with an ability to learn and from this raw material society builds her walls of nationalism and religious certitude.

          You were taught to believe Christianity. Other people in the world were taught to believe other religions. So, on the logic front, what you were taught to believe has nothing to do with “truth,” but everything to do with happenstance of birth–the beliefs of your parents and society in general.

          [I] have traveled the entire world. . . [and] I’ve never heard any Christians state any hatred or support violence against homosexuals.

          Please don’t equivocate. I did not say any Christians were calling for violence against gays, but since you brought it up, please note that violence isn’t just physical, although some certainly do want physical violence as individual fundamentalist Christians and preachers imply and state outright.

          As for extreme laws promoted by some Christians:

          Uganda is 80% Christian and, by law, homosexuality is punishable by death. This “kill the gays law,” was inspired by three American Evangelicals; Pastor Scott Lively, Caleb Lee Brundidge and Don Schmierer.

          Lively was sued for crimes against humanity, but a judge tossed it out for lack of standing. He was NOT exonerated.

          Within the U.S., some evangelicals call for punishment for gays, some wanting the death penalty.

          Joel McDurmon, director of research for American Vision (AV), a Georgia-based Religious Right group, made the claim in a recent essay on AV’s Web site. AV is affiliated with the Reconstructionist movement. In an assay titled, “A Perfect Hatred,” McDurmon called for the death penalty for gays.

          When Americans United for the Separation of Church and State and others published and criticised his remarks, his essay was removed from the website, rewritten and replaced in an attempt to simply explain God’s brand of hatred. But logic would still say that it still inferred that we should follow suit.

          Baptist . . . Steven Anderson seems to have picked up the mantle of one Fred Phelps. In a recent sermon titled “AIDS: The Judgement of God,” he called for the God-mandated genocide of approximately 140 to 700 million homosexuals worldwide.

          There are many more such articles, but keep in mind that violence does not have to be physical, it can, has been, and is still being done at the psychological violence as well. The Christian campaign to “cure the gays” has led to some kids and young adults committing suicide as Christians instruct them to hate their emotions and fight against the sin.

          On the legal front, Religious laws that try to block homosexuals from rights non gay Americans have is a violence against their personal lives and conscience. Christians tend to believe that overturning such laws is an attack against Christianity. Certainly no logical reason to suppose that in the U.S.

          As well. preachers constantly referencing the biblical call for killing them (as well as witches, blasphemers, heretics, etc.) sometimes inspires individuals who are more unstable to attack them. But most prevalent is the constant belittling and bullying in public and in schools.

          My social philosophy is simply the Golden Rule. No other tenet is necessary. Indeed, religion’s walls of exclusive dogma are the greatest hindrance to world peace, and it will remain so as long as parents keep handing down their prejudices and irrational beliefs to their children, whether Muslim, Christian, or any other exclusive religion.

    • Colin Rafferty

      What special protections and benefits are gay asking for? The right to marry? To not be fired for their sexual orientation? Guess what, straight people have always been able to marry! And the same laws that protect gays from sexual orientation discrimination also protect straight people.

      • PBHayes

        I respect your opinion but disagree. Same sex marriage is not marriage and it never will be. The term marriage is meaningful and has been for centuries. Changing it to fit some false narrative does not change reality. You ask what special protections and benefits are gays asking for like they aren’t asking for anything. If that’s the case then why do gays insist on forcing people who hold more traditional values regarding sexuality and religious beliefs to their will?

        • Colin Rafferty

          They aren’t asking for anything that straight people don’t already have. That’s why I asked you what “special protections” they’re asking for. Your words, not mine.

          The marriage issue is about secular, not religious marriage. There are dozens of tax advantages and legal advantages to being married, and they want (and now have) equal rights.

          What are you being forced to do, other than not get in the way? You are being forced to not fire someone for being gay. Being forced to allow same-gender couples in your hotel. Being forced to provide service for all the people that walk through your company doors, not just the people you like.

          If you are so traumatized that you can’t stand other people aren’t like you, that’s your problem, and not everyone else’s.

          • PBHayes

            Gays had all those rights under civil unions but that wasn’t enough as they had to hijack the institution of marriage to feel better about themselves. Now there is an effort to extend the protections of the Civil Rights Act to sexuality and there is no equivalence between racial and sexual discrimination. This isn’t the 50’s and society has evolved. Maybe if gays didn’t insist on marching in thongs with dildos strapped around their waists people wouldn’t find them so offensive.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’m in the US. Gay people didn’t have those rights under civil unions here. In fact, while they were trying to get and keep them, the bigots were busy taking that away. We had DOMA, which specifically exempted the federal government from honoring same-gender civil unions.

            But again, what special protections are gay people looking for? You still haven’t told me any.

          • PBHayes

            You’re wrong. Don’t know and don’t care what your sexuality is but we just disagree on the facts. What I see is society going above and beyond to protect everyone’s rights and that will always breed contempt and disagreement. There are some things in this world that deserve complete intolerance but sexuality is not one. We seem to disagree on how gays are presently treated and I see no intolerance.

          • Colin Rafferty

            What facts am I wrong about? That DOMA invalidated civil unions at the federal level? That’s a fact, and the entire point of DOMA.

            But I keep asking, what are the “special protections or benefits” that you claim gay people are asking for?

  • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

    This is a good PR campaign, but my question is; are they now paying their employees a living wage? If not, then the campaign is actually advertising and most likely will be written off on their corporate taxes, costing them virtually nothing.

  • toddyo1935

    Is McDonald’s of DC also going into the candy business? Hiring fudge packers, but not breeders? Sorry, but we all have our inner tensions and temptations. We are also endowed by our Creator with an infinite range of gifts and talents. My real question is: “Why do progressives insist on glorifying our basest urges but refuse to put emphasis on those gifts and talents which, when applied, make the person and the nation great?” We’ve been fed the phony gender diversity line so long, all too many people are brainwashed enough to buy into it. Even the anti-Trump folks never stop to think that highly creative people – the kind Trump employs many of to generate the Trump brand projects are likely homosexual in their range of temptations. The sane ones apply their special gifts as an offset to the fire animal urges.

  • Colin Rafferty

    Ok, so your two examples of “special rights” are gay marriage and the Matthew Shepard Act. That act was passed in 2009, and says nothing about speech. It simply adds sexuality to existing hate crimes legislation. And it also protects straight people. If you are a crime victim because you are straight, Shepard applies to you. And it doesn’t affect your speech at all. Except what you say during the commission of a crime.

    And same gender marriage? That’s a special privilege? You are an idiot. Being restricted is basic gender discrimination. Adam wants to marry Steve. But can’t, because he is as man. But any unmarried single woman can marry Steve. That’s cclear gender discrimination.

    As for what you prefer to do in your sex life, I really don’t need to hear about it. If you don’t like anal, who cares? Why are you even discussing that?

  • Parodyx

    “A man who professes to be gay has the same right as a straight man: to marry a woman.”

    Even though he has absolutely no attraction to the woman, cannot form a proper emotional or physical bond with her, and the marriage would be a disastrous sham. Tell me again how this is an “equal right”. I’m sorry but that is one of the most insensitive and cruel things I have ever read. You’re basically saying this is what is being offered, take it or leave it. Marriage is supposed to be about forming a permanent bond with the person you love. Not living a lie with the best opposite-sex fit you can find.

    • PBHayes

      Marriage is for creating a family not forming a bond. Family means having children. Gays don’t have children except for when they lie to a woman about their sexuality and create children who statistically will be far more apt to use drugs and live a dysfunctional life. Male bonding is meant for friendship not anal sex.

      • Parodyx

        If what you say is correct and marriage is only for procreation, then it must be a terrible thing to be among the elderly and those unable to conceive. Societal and religious pressure is often the reason gay men are forced into a marriage they do not want. And anal sex is irrelevant; it has nothing to do with marriage, and anyway is practiced by far more straight people than homosexuals. And many gay men don’t even do it.

      • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

        So, you would be in favor of removing the right of any man or woman who are, biologically, incapable of producing offspring?

  • http://maxfurr.com HobbesianWorld

    “A man who professes to be gay has the same right as a straight man: to marry a woman.”

    PB, you are equivocating. The point is not marriage itself, but trying to take away the right of a person to marry the person she or he LOVES. It is the right to seek happiness in marriage. You have that right, why do you want to take it away from others?

  • Poptoy1949

    GOODBYE McDonalds.