Roman Catholic Dioceses Nationwide Being ‘Consecrated’ to ‘Immaculate Heart of Mary’

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A number of Roman Catholic dioceses nationwide—and also globally—have been consecrating themselves to the “immaculate heart of Mary” throughout 2017, a practice that evangelicals say is unbiblical and gives to the earthly mother of Jesus the devotion that should be bestowed to Christ alone.

“We are uniting ourselves to her who opens up the way for God to enter, and we are uniting our hearts to her immaculate heart, the one heart that is perfectly united to the Sacred Heart of Jesus,” James Johnston Jr. of the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph, Missouri told the National Catholic Register.

The consecrations are being conducted as 2017 marks the 100th year since the purported 1917 apparitions of Mary to child shepherds in Fatima, Portugal. The apparitions were stated to have taken place on the 13th of each month over a six-month period.

“God desires to establish in the world devotion to my immaculate heart,” Mary was quoted as stating during one of the appearances to the children. “To whomever embraces this devotion I promise salvation; these souls shall be dear to God, as flowers placed by me to adorn His throne.”

Diocese in Pennsylvania, California, Mississippi, Rhode Island, Colorado, New York and other states have already conducted consecration ceremonies, with more to follow for the remainder of the year.

“This is one way we can ask Mary to guide us and watch over us during implementation [of the Priorities],” Mary Woodward, chancellor for the Diocese of Jackson, Mississippi told the outlet Mississippi Catholic.

They conducted their consecration on Sunday, Oct. 8.

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The Diocese of Santa Rosa, California announced in a recent letter that it plans to dedicate every parish and mission under its jurisdiction to Mary during services on Dec. 9 and 10 between the Catholic feasts of the Immaculate Conception and Our Lady of Guadalupe.

It also provided notice that those interested can participate in an online Marian Consecration Preparation Program.

“In our consecration we state, ‘We consecrate to you (Mary) our very being and our whole life; all that we have, all that we love, all that we are,'” the notice, issued by Robert Vasa, outlines.

“It is an act of trust in the love God has for us and in the love our blessed mother has for us,” it continues. “We entrust ourselves to Her maternal care with profound confidence and love. We trust that, having given over everything we have and are to Her protection and even Her dominion, we then rely on Her to distribute merits and graces where they are most needed.”

On Oct. 13, the date of the last of the Fatima apparitions, Donald Wuerl, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Washington, plans to consecrate the entire United States to Mary at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception.

“Many people are worried about the state of the world,” Connie Schneider of Children of the Eucharist told reporters. “This is something everyone can participate in; to light a candle and to entrust families, our country and the world to the care of Our Lady of Fatima.”

Schneider’s organization, as well as the group Missionaries of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, are the main sponsors of the event. The candlelight rosary procession and entrustment prayer will be broadcast live on EWTN to over 140 countries. According to the National Catholic Register, EWTN is also airing a new film this week entitled “Queen of Heaven: Mary’s Battle for Souls” to coincide with the Oct. 13 observance.

Diocese in Denver, Colorado; Minneapolis, Minnesota and Phoenix, Arizona will also hold ceremonies on that date.

However, while Roman Catholics have expressed an excitement about the consecrations, opining that they are a work of God in the world, others find the observances concerning as they attribute to Mary the devotion and surrender that only belongs to Christ.

Gendron

“It is not surprising to see many Catholic dioceses across America falling deeper into apostasy,” Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries told Christian News Network. “Part of Rome’s apostasy includes their exaltation of Mary as the ’cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race’ (Catechism of the Catholic church paragraph 494). Catholics look to her as another sinless mediator who brings them ‘the gifts of eternal salvation’ (CCC, para 969).”

“It is no wonder that far more Catholic Churches are named after Mary than the Name above all names,” he lamented.

Gendron said that some of the comments made by Roman Catholic bishops in regard to the entrustment ceremonies, such as those of Robert Vasa, wrongfully suggest that Mary has powers and attributes just like the Godhead.

“To suggest that she has supernatural or divine power to protect people within her dominion and also to be the source of divine grace is blasphemy,” he declared. “Many people are unaware of Roman Catholicism’s treasury of merit, which contain the merits of Mary that are co-mingled with the inexhaustible merits of Christ (CCC. para. 1477). The Catholic bishops teach that these merits can be distributed to souls suffering in purgatory through indulgences.”

Gendron, a former Roman Catholic of 30 years, says that his heart breaks in observing many being deceived by such practices.

“The tragedy in all this is that Catholics are led astray from a pure devotion to Christ (2 Cor. 11:3),” he stated. “Not only are they being deceived by another Jesus which always leads to another gospel, they are also being deceived by another Mary (2 Cor. 11:4).”

“My heart is full of compassion for Catholics who are where I was for over half my life: believing I belonged to the one true Church, but destined for an eternity in hell because I believed Rome’s false and fatal gospel,” Gendron continued.

“This is the very nature of deception! People do not know they are deceived until they are lovingly confronted with the truth. This truth has been entrusted to every born again Christian and we need to challenge Catholics in their unbelief,” he exhorted. “Their only hope is repent and trust Christ alone for the salvation of their souls.”


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  • Robin Egg

    Jeremiah 7:18

    The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women
    knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They
    pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.

    My prayer is that true believers in Christ will come out of the Catholic church and renounce this paganism.

    • Lady_Checkmate

      They were Christians long before your group was.

      • ort

        The Church was JEWISH long before the RCC and Constantine came along.

        • sony_dc

          What a stupid statement. The only church the Jews have taken over is the Zion Christian evangelical church. You should worry about these fools the so called “Christians for Jews.”

          • ort

            Stupid statement? lol. Have you actually read the Bible? The Apostles were Jewish. At Pentecost 3000 JEWS became believers. For the first 15 years, the Church was almost exclusively Jewish. Jesus is Jewish. The RCC hijacked the faith, went down the unscriptural route, and removed all the Jewish history from the Church.
            Have you read Romans chapter 11?? You should. Your beliefs are unscriptural and, quite frankly, sad.

          • sony_dc

            When a Jew converts to Christianity, you don’t continue to call him a “Jew.” When the first Hebrews/Jews and pagans followed Jesus Christ and converted they were called “The Way” then “Christians.” Jesus Christ in human form was born into a Hebrew family to preach the gospel to all human kind. However, Jesus Christ the devine, the savior, the Lord the maker of heaven and earth and creator of ALL living things was NOT a Jew but GOD.

            Have you ever heard a Zionist Christian preach? Do you know who John Hagee is? These fools go around and preach that the Jews don’t need Jesus Christ. EVERYONE needs Jesus Christ for salvation.

          • ort

            I am half Jewish. I very much understand there is “no more Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female.” But I also know that while I am born again, I didn’t miraculously lose my gender. I’m still a woman. Those people who made up the church were Jewish in their ethnicity, and so am I. That was my point.

            Secondly, if you are going to proffer that Hagee says Jews don’t need to be born again, I’m going to need proof of that. (I’m not a Hagee follower, by the way).

          • wandakate

            He also preaches that the rapture is pre-tribulation leading his congregation in Texas and around the world by television to believe that there is nothing to worry about b/c they aren’t going to be here when the poop hits the fan and the antichrist appears. They are going to “escape” the coming tribulation and just “go up” and disappear out of sight leaving ALL the sinners on earth and it’s going to be BEFORE the tribulation. Why do people believe what is NOT in the bible? Rev. 11:15-19 tells us that JESUS will come to take the world away from satan at the LAST TRUMPET (the 7th one). That happens just prior to the 1st Bowl judgment which is the beginning of the last 7 judgments on earth which are ONLY for the unrepentant sinners. The Bible tells us that the church is NOT appointed to the “wrath” of GOD and the last 7 Bowl judgments ARE the “wrath of GOD”. The Christians aren’t going anywhere until then. We’re here for the seal and trumpet judgments. Hold onto JESUS, as He promised never to leave us and never to forsake us…I am also NOT a follower but I study and know a lot about what he preaches. People don’t know their Bibles, their deceived, no wonder they listen to these preachers.

          • Off Shore

            A pre-trib Christian believes that the book of Revelation is the wrath of God and per Holy Scripture we are not destined for His wrath as children of God. Believe as you want to, but I won’t be here for His wrath just as Noah and his family wasn’t’ here either.

            1 Thessalonians 1:10

            And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

            1 Thessalonians 5:9
            For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

          • wandakate

            Apparently you did NOT read or comprehend what I just wrote. I said there that GOD has not appointed us to “wrath”. Didn’t you read that?
            Noah and his family were not taken out of the flood, they went through the flood inside the Ark remember?
            A pre-tribulation Christian actually believes that they will be removed, taken out, raptured away from the tribulation…Which is NOT biblical.
            Do you know what the “wrath” of GOD is? I told you it’s NOT until the last 7 bowl judgments and they are ONLY for the unrepentant sinners, NOT for Christians.
            The tribulation is the seal and trumpet judgments (read about them in Revelation), and the great tribulation is the last 7, the bowl judgments.
            If you think you will be out of here then you are right b/c His WRATH isn’t coming until “after” JESUS comes to call up the church in the graves and on the earth at the 1st resurrection of the dead.
            The tribulation is the seal and trumpet judgments and that is the “wrath” of satan, NOT the “wrath” of GOD. You must be confused or have gotten bad information somewhere.
            Tribulation = satan’s wrath
            Great Tribulation = GOD’s wrath
            There is a difference…For satan’s wrath everybody is going to be here, however for the wrath of GOD only the sinners who never believed and repented will be here. The church will be OUT by that time. The church leaves the earth at the 7th trumpet (see Rev. 11:15-19)…

          • Off Shore

            Just by your attempt to talk down to me and your snarky attitude I can tell that you don’t comprehend Holy Scripture very well, so I can see why you don’t believe in pre-trib. If you truly had all the knowledge of Scripture that you think you do then you would realize that it’s all worthless if you don’t have LOVE, good luck in the tribulation.

            1 Cor 13:2
            If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all
            knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do
            not have love, I am nothing.

          • wandakate

            Sorry you perceived it as an attitude or talking down to you. It wasn’t my intent and I actually comprehend the scriptures quite well and take them literally. Of course I don’t believe in pre-trib b/c it’s simply not the way it’s going to happen.
            Why would JESUS tell us to prepare, to be awake, alert, aware if we were being removed before the antichrist and the tribulation (seal and trumpet judgments)? And why would it say that we will have trials and tribulations in this life? Why did He tell us that we MUST persevere till the END in order to be saved. Why in Matthew 24 did He tell the disciples that they would be blessed when they were persecuted for His name sake? None of that makes any sense if we were going out ahead of the antichrist and the first part of the tribulation.
            It does appear that you have some different way of seeing all of this or a lack of understanding prophecy yourself while pointing your finger at me. Do you think that Revelation has it wrong? Did the apostle John write it all down wrong from the way it will happen?
            Did you read Revelation 11:15-19, and if so wasn’t ALL of that to happen at the 7th trumpet?
            It’s NOT a salvation issue but it’s very important that the church (or Christians) know that they aren’t goin anywhere
            until the 7th trumpet, otherwise they will be very disappointed and feel lied to and deceived. It’s better for them to know the truth now than later, don’t you think?
            Usually someone with your belief is stuck right there and won’t listen to reason or any explanation of anything else.
            WHY do you believe that way? I don’t see where you find any scripture to support that belief.
            As for as “love” you got that all wrong as well. I love total strangers and am good to them, good to my neighbors, and try to always help people to understand. That is why I have published 2 books thus far in order to bring the truth of prophecy to the surface for which many people are thankful that I told them the truth b/c what many of them had been taught was not the truth, and they thought they were going to be out of here before the poop hits the fan but I showed them what the scriptures tell us, and thank GOD they understood and now they know.
            Can you show me where the Bible tells us that we are going OUT of here before the tribulation.
            We are (as I told you before) NOT appointed to GOD’s wrath and we will (if we are saved) ALL be out of here before His wrath and that is wonderful, but what about satan’s wrath? Don’t you think there will be persecution and martyr’s for that? Won’t satan have Christians killed b/c of their faith? Sure he will.

          • Janet Backus

            Amen and Amen

          • wandakate

            What comment is this amen and amen to Janet?

          • ort

            That’s because the church won’t be here for God’s wrath (Rev 3:10). The Tribulation is called “The time of Jacob’s (Israel!) Trouble”
            God will deal rebellious Israel for the last week (7 years). The Church is not mentioned after Rev 4 because She is in heaven.

          • wandakate

            I always thought the church would be out and that we wouldn’t have to go through anything until I studied more. JESUS suffered tremendously and we will also share in some of the end time suffering. There’s no easy way out. You are SO right about the church NOT being here for GOD’s wrath simply b/c JESUS will appear and remove the church BEFORE the WRATH of GOD. The last 7 judgments are the 7 bowl judgments of Rev. But where is the church for the Seal and Trumpet judgments? JESUS doesn’t come until the 7th trumpet and that’s the LAST one before the 1st Bowl judgment. There are 7 of each judgment and the first 14 are the Wrath of satan (the god of this evil world) and the last 7 (the worse ones) are the Wrath of GOD but they are ONLY going to be poured out onto ALL of the unrepentant sinners, but NOT the church, thus the church will be removed just prior to that time.
            Therefore due to the timing it’s got to be a Pre-Wrath rapture or a Post-Trib rapture of the church.
            Remember JESUS told the disciples there would be end time persecution but the ones who persevered would be blessed…Matthew 5:1-12. He warned of persecution of the saints. That will be done through the antichrist and the false prophet.
            As for the church not being mentioned after Rev 4, remember please that the book of Revelation is NOT in chronological order.
            John was writing it and was seeing visions form GOD that were taking him back and forth from heaven to earth and back again. The judgments are all in order but otherwise nothing else there is and that makes a big difference in how people understand that apocalyptic book. Hope this makes some sense.

          • ort

            But why must His Bride suffer, when He paid the price? It doesn’t make sense. Jesus said we would have “tribulation”, but promised in Rev 3:10 to save us from “the hour of trial that would come upon the whole world.”
            What happened to Enoch is a mirror of the Rapture. “And Enoch walked with God. And Enoch was not, for GOD TOOK HIM.”
            Noah was also a type for the Rapture, although he and his family and the animals didn’t physically leave the earth. But in that case, they didn’t need to.
            People think we have to somehow suffer because Jesus suffered. What they don’t realize is that He suffered so we wouldn’t have to (re: God’s Wrath)!

            If you know the Jewish Wedding teachings, it absolutely mirrors the death, resurrection, and return of the Lord.

          • wandakate

            I did attempt to explain it in what I wrote you above. There are two tribulations, one follows the other. The regular tribulation (Seal and Trumpet Judgments) which are the WRATH OF SATAN!
            Then there is the great tribulation (the Bowl Judgments) which are the WRATH OF GOD! That’s the difference. He’s going to remove us before ALL of the really BAD things come upon the earth b/c JESUS will appear and REMOVE the Church from the horrors that will come upon the earth. You can read about the judgments in Revelation. Three sets of judgments with 7 plagues in each one. The church is NOT appointed to the WRATH OF GOD. That is ONLY going to be for the unrepentant sinners, NOT the church which are the last 7 judgments.

            Noah didn’t escape it. They were NOT raptured out of the earth, they were inside the Ark and went through this time of trouble with the great flood. JESUS even prayed to GOD that He not remove the that were given to Him (the saved) but that He would protect them from the evil one.

            Today’s Christians are NOT like Enoch or Elijah, we are NOT by any means perfect, we do NOT follow GOD’s laws, and we are NOT nearly as obedient as they were. We are (for the most part) in the world and of the world. They were INTO obeying what GOD commanded regardless. We try to fit GOD into our plan, rather than being willing to fit into His plan for our lives thus BIG DIFFERENCE in them and us.

            JESUS suffered so that we might be able to go to the Kingdom of GOD (on earth) when our time comes. He died b/c it was the FATHER’s plan for humanity. He wanted us as His family to be with Him forever so JESUS died so that we could be there, and spend our eternity there.

            As the Bible tells us…JESUS told us we MUST PERSERVERE till the end (not until a secret rapture that will all the sudden take us out of here). He also told us that we had to be OVERCOMERS. Why were those two statements be necessary IF we weren’t going to be here for any suffering or martyrdom? They wouldn’t be necessary would they? We wouldn’t need to PERSEVERE or OVERCOME IF THERE WAS NOTHING happening that required us to do that.
            Read about the judgments in Revelation, and also the beatitudes in Matthew 5:1-12. JESUS told the disciples in 11 and 12 that they would be persecuted for His sake (b/c of their belief in Him). He told them they would have a REWARD in heaven b/c of that persecution. I hope you understand all this and that it makes sense.
            I know its difficult to unlearn what you have learned, but when you learn what’s NOT true or Biblical, you NEED to learn what is TRUTH and what is Biblical…Hope this helps!!!

          • wandakate

            By the way I was out in Missouri and Jonathan Cahn was there and I sat through a Jewish Wedding Feast which was interesting and totally different than anything that we go through here in the USA. I forgot to tell you that since you had mentioned Jewish Wedding Feast in your post.

          • wandakate

            Revelation isn’t written in strictly chronological order Ort!
            John was being given visions that were subsequently taking him from earth to heaven and back over a short period of time. The ONLY things I have found are correct are the judgments. The Seals are first, then the Trumpets followed by the final ones the Bowls.
            The Seal and Trumpets are the tribulation whereas the Bowl judgments are the “great tribulation” thus the “WRATH OF GOD”, and they are only for the unrepentant sinners on earth.
            The tribulation is for everybody and the Church will be removed at the 7th Trumpet, see, (Rev. 11:15-19). JESUS will appear and take this evil world away from satan the god of this world and the graves will open at that time and the Ark of the Covenant will be seen as well.
            It can’t be a pre-trib rapture simply b/c 2 things HAVE to happen first, the antichrist MUST come and the Church will have a great FALLING AWAY from the faith. They both happen “before” JESUS return, NOT after.

          • ort

            Well, the AC cannot be revealed until “He who letteth be taken out of the way.” Who is the “He”? The Holy Spirit. Where does He reside? Inside each born again believer. When the church is taken in the rapture, then The Man of Sin comes in the scene to fix the world’s problems. The Son of Perdition won’t show up until we are gone.

          • wandakate

            I was taught the same… Where in the scripture does it tell us that it’s the HOLY SPIRIT that is actually the “restrainer”? Have you considered that it might be Michael the archangel, b/c after all he is guardian of the church. I believe there is deceit in what we have been taught, and you know that satan has infiltrated many churches and there are false preachers who have misled the flock by telling us something that isn’t the truth just so we won’t know what’s going on, and we are deceived b/c of it. Besides what about Rev. 11:15-19 that is JESUS coming and it’s listed under the Trumpet judgments. How does one explain that? We can’t take away from scripture or add to it remember?

          • ort

            Who has the power to restrain in this world? God the Holy Spirit. Why do things turn to hell on earth? When He is removed and evil human nature, and demons, run amok.
            Michael is the Chief Prince and protector of Israel. Always has been.
            Besides, if you studied the Hebrew Wedding ceremony, you know it talks about the Bride and Groom stay with each other in the wedding chamber for 7 days. With the Lord, it is 7 years. It says so in Daniel. Read about the 49 weeks of years.

          • wandakate

            I tried to reply to what you wrote saying you forgave me and it would NOT reply to save me, so I am sending it here b/c when you ck your mail you should get it.
            THANKS, I am glad you forgave me and thanks also for the HUG, I can always use hugs!!! I realized by what you said to me that I needed to clarify what I was saying about knowing the answers…ha ha.
            I think we could live 1,000 years and NOT ever know ALL the answers, or the Mystery of the Ages…I NEVER wanted to be known as a know it all b/c I certainly DO NOT!!!

          • ort

            No worries. We’re good. 😃😃

          • Janet Backus

            i loved reading this, thank you

          • wandakate

            Janet, thanks but NOT exactly sure what you loved reading. Can you explain that please. Blessings…

          • Janet Backus

            I loved re reading and being reminded of what scripture tells of the second coming, there are not many who are as well grounded in scripture that you seem to be and can express the word like you do. Your comments are very uplifting to my spirit. if you come across the subject on perfect, that is my favorite topic to talk about, there was only one person who walked on water the second person who tried it sank. if we were perfect we wouldn’t need to be here.

          • wandakate

            Oh I do thank you so much b/c you have made my day. I basically live to share the TRUTH that the LORD has given to me. There are true prophets and apostles and teachers in these last days and He chose me to attempt gradually to undo what has been done by these mainstream pastors. Of course that’s not popular b/c I run into many who are very SET in their worldly ways and teachings so it’s hard to get them the TRUTH.
            I wrote two books and they are actually 4 manuscripts put into two different full size books. Book 1 and 2 as well as Book 3 and 4. I know you would learn even more of the amazing truth after reading especially the first book. I wish you had a copy. If you enjoyed the comment/post
            , you would “love” the book. So again THANK YOU for telling me why you liked what I wrote.
            As for being “perfect” JESUS told us that we should strive to be like He was, and He was perfect.
            Did you know JESUS real name in Hebrew? It was YESHUA. GOD’s name was YAHWEH, YHWH for short.
            JESUS told us that when we know the TRUTH, the TRUTH will set us free. Blessings.

          • Janet Backus

            what is your pen name

          • wandakate

            My name is just as you see it here.

          • Janet Backus

            have you published anything, is your name wanda kate

          • wandakate

            It was VERY expensive to publish them with the big box publishers. If you aren’t already famous or haven’t already published books they turn up their nose.
            I self published them and only I had them for sale and they’re all gone except for the few that I kept.
            I want to do more but as I mentioned that will take money.

          • Janet Backus

            is that your real name Wanda kate
            are you male or female

          • wandakate

            My computer is messed up and does not want to let me reply to anything, sorry for the delay.
            Yes it’s Wandakate (all together) and yes that is a woman’s name.

          • wandakate

            Hey where have you been? I haven’t seen you here and you didn’t reply to my last comment, so I was wondering if you’re still gonna be here or what?

          • Janet Backus

            you and I are n the samw page on just about anything regarding scripture, as for Trump? the people elected him so be it., what he says he will do just about sums it up the media are trying their best to destroy him because because

          • wandakate

            Good you’re back. If you like to e-mail I’ll give U my e-mail address, let me know.

          • Janet Backus

            all have sinned and come short of the glory of
            god. All

          • ort

            I know that.

          • wandakate

            NOBODY will go to the coming Kingdom of GOD without knowing, loving, believing, trusting and obeying JESUS CHRIST. HE is the “only” way to GOD the FATHER. JESUS said, “I am the way, the truth and the life, and NO man (person) will come to the FATHER but by Me. There is NO other way, and that includes Mary. She knew she needed forgiveness and asked JESUS to forgive her. She wasn’t forgiving JESUS, it was JESUS who was forgiving her.

          • sony_dc

            I’m a bit confused why you wrote your comment – what were you directing it at? I am a Christian and always have been. But you should reach out to John Hagee because he has tricked his congregation into believeing that the only ones who don’t need Jesus Christ for salvation are the “Jewish” people. He has a congregation of 50 million lost souls.

            Regarding the Blessed Virgin Mother, are you saying she’s not in heaven?

          • wandakate

            Not sure where you came up with 50 million lost souls (people). He has a few thousand on roll at this church in Texas. As for Mary, can you show me in the Bible where it tells us that Mary is actually in heaven?
            My comment was read by anybody here who wanted to read it so it was basically directed to the last comment that you had made I believe.

          • sony_dc

            God choose Mary because she was without sin to be the mother of our Lord and Savior, if she didn’t make it into heaven, then none of us have a chance. Your statement is beyond ridiculous.

          • wandakate

            I have said NOTHING here about Mary not making it into the Kingdom of GOD on earth (heaven). What I said was…
            CAN YOU SHOW ME IN THE BIBLE WHERE IT TELLS US THAT MARY IS ACTUALLY IN HEAVEN? (meaning already up there).
            She WILL most certainly be there when that time comes. Right now she is “dead” and is resting in her grave over in the Holy Land, she is NOT there as yet…that is what I said.
            And you did NOT tell me where I can find that scripture in my Bible…is it there or is that just something that is made up? Maybe it’s something that has been told to people and they believe it (truth or not). Most people believe pretty much anything without questioning the truth of it.
            My statement isn’t ridiculous at all, you just didn’t comprehend what I said…
            Mary was chosen by GOD true
            Mary was without sin at that time, true
            Mary will make it into Heaven when JESUS appears to open up the graves, true…
            She is however NOT there yet, and she’s NOT immortal, b/c scripture tells us that ONLY JESUS had immortality.
            She cannot hear, see, walk, talk, or think.
            She is NOT conscious, she’s unaware of anything at this point in time b/c she’s dead.
            She is NOT able to answer any of the prayers that Catholics pray to her.
            Only JESUS is our advocate to the FATHER GOD.
            Only JESUS is our mediator between GOD and man.
            It’s NOT Mary…

          • ort

            “Absent from the body is present with the Lord.”
            ‘Nuff said.

          • wandakate

            Present in “SPIRIT” which leaves the body at death and goes there for safe keeping. That same spirit will be returned to the soul (person) at the 1st resurrection of the dead at which time the bodies will ALL be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST Trumpet (that’s the 7th one) to be found in Revelation 11.
            The graves will open then and the dead will “arise”, “be called up” or “be raptured”, and they will ALL change right then from mortal to immortality and from corrupt to incorrupt and then go up instantly to be with JESUS. It’s a spiritual kingdom (the Kingdom of GOD), it’s NOT an earthly flesh and blood kingdom which is why the bodies of the saints MUST change b/c going as we are won’t work.
            NUFF SAID…

          • ort

            We do not sleep in the grave. We are with the Lord and conscious of it. Our physical body is in the grave and will be raised at the Rapture.

          • wandakate

            ORT…tell me something. Doesn’t the old and the new testament tell us that we sleep at death? What did JESUS have to say about people who were dead and where they were? Thanks…

          • ort

            When Kora led a rebellion against Moses, the Old Testament said “they went alive into the pit” because the earth opened up and sent them to hell.
            Now, when Jesus told the factual story of Lazarus and the Rich Man in hell, the man was conscious and in flames and in pain. This is the only story Jesus told that was not a parable/fable.
            As God, Jesus knew this rich man and this beggar Lazarus.
            Those who awaited Messiah and kept the Law, were in the side of hell called “Abraham’s bosom”, or Paradise (Jesus said to the thief on the cross he would be with Him in Paradise.)
            Those who died who didn’t keep the Law were in the side called “Torments”, where the Rich Man was.
            So, everyone is awake and conscious as to where they are when they die. Scripture proves this.

          • wandakate

            You have given me your description of what you have found, but you DID NOT answer my questions. What did the Old and the New have to say about “death”? What did JESUS say about Lazarus? What did JESUS say about the 12 yr. old girl that had died?

          • wandakate

            ORT: I am looking here and do NOT see your reply. NO answers to my questions. Isn’t it strange that I ask people here questions and they don’t get back to me with any solid answers, they just go round and round the bush but don’t seem to know the TRUTH, or have any answers to anything? You are now one of them…There are many places in scripture that tell us what happens to the dead. I am so surprised that you haven’t located any of them.

          • ort

            You’re going to have to answer your own questions as I don’t know what you want.

          • wandakate

            I know ALL of the answers from scripture, and it’s sad that you don’t know any of them. IT’s clear what the questions were, just simple answers from the bible was what I was asking you for, but I guess you don’t know anything about the bible.

          • ort

            How conceited and mislead you are. You “know all the answers from scripture.” LOL!! No. No you don’t. The sin of pride felled Lucifer. You are reeking with it. Have a nice life. Don’t ever talk to me again.

          • wandakate

            I am trying to reply to what you just wrote but it won’t so I had to type here.
            I am SO SORRY that I didn’t specify that I only meant that I had the answers to the three questions that I had asked of you. I certainly did NOT mean I have ALL of the answers for everything, and I am NOT conceited at all, and I hate pride as I know full well GOD does also. I feel bad that you wrote what you did b/c when I said I know ALL of the answers from scripture I did mean to those questions ONLY.
            Please forgive me, I am SORRY…

          • ort

            Of course I forgive you! Thank you for the apology and for clarifying. Your first answer really knocked me for a loop! (((hugs)))

          • sony_dc

            What the heck are you talking about? No Catholic was ever said Mary’s body’s is in heaven – we are talking about her SOUL. Mary’s soul is in heaven, just like all the apostles, saints, and all good Christian people who have accepted Jesus Christ in their hearts. When a person dies, your body stays in the ground, but your soul travels either to heaven or hell. Have you never been taught this? What kind of Christian are you?

          • wandakate

            Well I’m actually speaking the TRUTH, and not added to watered down gospel. I NEVER said anything about her body being there. You are adding words here.
            And FYI (smiling) it was Mary’s SPIRIT that left the body at her death and went to be with the LORD.
            The SOUL is a person, a being, a mortal, a living breathing entity. In Genesis, GOD said that He created man from the dust of the ground and that man Adam became a living SOUL. She was another “living soul”, just like Adam was.
            Are we good so far?
            Now, it’s the spirit and NOT the soul that is there for safe keeping. If people were actually in heaven wouldn’t they see GOD? The Bible says that NOBODY has ever seen GOD! We do NOT go to heaven or hell at our death. That is not the TRUTH, that’s mainstream teachings.
            When a person dies the body (the soul) goes into the ground yes, and the SPIRIT goes back to GOD.
            Didn’t JESUS give up His SPIRIT to GOD at His death? What did He say about that?
            “FATHER, into thy hands, I commit my SPIRIT.” He didn’t commit His soul. JESUS being a human being was a “soul” just like He told us that Adam was.
            YES I was taught what you have just said to me in a Baptist church and NONE of it is Biblical. WHERE in the scriptures does it say that as soon as we take our last breath we go to heaven or hell? Sounds like a Catholic teaching or a mainstream teaching but it’s NOT a Bible fact. I am a GOD believing GOD fearing Christian who isn’t brainwashed anymore…the LORD has given me the wisdom to know the TRUTH and when we know the TRUTH, the TRUTH will set us free in the word and we will understand GOD’s teaching and NOT the teachings of man…

          • ort

            Whoa! Mary was not sinless! The ONLY sinless One was/is Jesus!! She was chosen because of her lineage and her obedience to God. If Mary said “no”, God would have found another.
            Your attitudes about her is pagan to the core.

          • wandakate

            Seems much in the HRCC is pagan/heathen teachings and has been since the days of the Emperor Constantine. JESUS specifically told us to NOT have anything to do with their beliefs or they ways or festivals.

          • Off Shore

            “When a Jew converts to Christianity, you don’t continue to call him a “Jew.”

            Sorry, but your wording is all wrong. They are Jews because they have descended from the Jacob/Israel (Genesis 32:28) and they can either practice Judaism, “The Way”, or Christian which ever word you prefer.
            Jew practicing Judaism is a Jew
            Jew practicing Christianity is a Jew.

            “ALL living things was NOT a Jew but GOD”.
            Jesus was flesh and blood He was a Jew born of Jewish decent according to the Holy Scriptures, If Jesus wasn’t Jewish then He’s not the Messiah/Christ because by Holy Scripture and Prophecy the Savior had to come through Jewish decent, so if you remove His fleshly decent you call God a liar. Deuteronomy 18:15 and Acts 3:22 & 7:37.

            God is spirit and resides in Heaven for now.

            “Have you ever heard a Zionist Christian preach? Do you know who John Hagee is?”

            Oh PLEASE… have you ever heard of “The Way” or Christian preachers saying being homosexuality is fine, same sex marriage is okay, or that there is no Hell? Every branch has bad fruit and if your grounded in Holy Scripture well enough you can recognize it from a mile away.

          • sony_dc

            It’s obvious you don’t know the history of the early Christians, which were converts from Judaism and pagans – the early followers of Jesus Christ were called “The Way.”

            “Jew practicing Judaism is a Jew”
            “Jew practicing Christianity is a Jew.”

            Let me give you a lesson.

            Jew is somone who practices Judaism – the Talmud or Torah.
            Christian is someone who practices Christianity – the Holy Bible.
            Muslim is someone who practices Islam – the Quran, Hadith, Sira.
            Hindu is someone who practices Hinduism – the Vedas.

            If a Hindu converts to Christianity, he/she becomes a Christian.
            If a Muslim converts to Christianity, he/she becomes a Christian.
            If a Jew converts to Christianity, he/she becomes a Christian.

          • Off Shore

            The name Jew is ethnic not a religion like American Indian
            Judaism is a religion
            Christian identifies anyone that believes in Christ
            So a person can be a Jewish Christian plain and simple.
            It has nothing to do with Christian history…

            Actually there were three names
            The Way – Acts 9:2
            Sect of the Nazarene’s – Acts 24:5
            Christian – Acts 11:25

            “Let me give you a lesson.”

            Don’t really know what lesson you intended on teaching, but it was a fail. Obtw the Torah is part of the Christian’s Holy Bible it’s the first five books. If you have ever read Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy you have read the Torah.

          • sony_dc

            I’m aware that the Torah is part of the Old Testament, but the Jews who practice the Torah do NOT believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God/Messiah, so what’s your point in saying this? If they did believe in Jesus Christ instead of cursing him, then we weren’t be split into two religions.

            You just proved my point! The early Christians were called, The Way, Sect of the Nazarenes, and Christians – these early converters and followers of Jesus Christ were Jews.

        • wandakate

          AHHH, the Roman Emperor Constantine brought ALL of the pagan teachings into the Christian church back then didn’t he? And changed the original Sabbath Saturday the 7th day of the week (and still is), to Sunday the 1st day of the week. ALL of our worldly, commercial, fake holidays also have pagan roots of which were from Pagan gods. I have a complete report on Constantine and what he did and it was shameful, and because of it he will burn in hell. Also b/c of what he did and wrote and made into law many have been deceived and worship false gods, another JESUS and Mary who can neither see, hear, walk, talk, or answer anybody’s prayers.

        • wandakate

          Did you notice that I asked questions and not a soul here has answered any of them? I guess they don’t know much about any of it.

          • ort

            Well, it’s difficult to refute scripture when it trumps tradition and poor exegesis.

    • ort

      You got that right.

    • wandakate

      Will somebody show me WHERE in the Holy Bible it tells us the Mary is in heaven? JESUS said the “dead” were sleeping in their graves until JESUS glorious appearing to call them “UP” from their graves at the 1st resurrection of the dead.
      Where does it tell us that SHE is able to hear their prayers and forgive their sins? She died, she was buried, and scripture tells us that the “dead” know NOTHING!
      Where does it tell us that she was immortal? My Bible tells me that only JESUS had immortality.
      What good are the Rosary beads? Where is purgatory in scripture (the Holy Bible-NOT the Catholic Bible)? My Bible tells about Heaven (the Kingdom of GOD and Hell (the kingdom of satan-the devil-the evil one).

      If anyone can answer these questions, that would be of great importance. Otherwise there is NO foundation to these teachings, not Biblical whatsoever.
      Yes an apostate church with Pagan beliefs and deceived people.

      • Cher Krause

        Will somebody show me WHERE in the Holy Bible it tells us the Mary is in heaven? JESUS said the “dead” were sleeping in their graves until JESUS glorious appearing to call them “UP” from their graves at the 1st resurrection of the dead.

        While on the cross, Jesus assured one of the theives that he would be with Him in paradise THAT DAY!

        • wandakate

          Cher you might want to do some deeper studying of your Bible. JESUS didn’t GO to paradise that day. If you recall He was hanging on the cross and afterwards they took Him down and laid Him in a borrowed grave and by that time it was nearing 6 p.m. He remained there for 72 hrs. or 3 days and 3 nights. After that He arose and was seen by Mary, but when Mary tried to touch Him, what did He tell her? He said, “Do not touch me, for I have NOT yet ascended to the FATHER.” So, you see with some reading or studying you can discover that He didn’t go to “heaven” or anywhere else where the thief could have gone.
          You see the TRUTH here is that our Bible has been translated from Hebrew, Greek, and even Latin to English. In the old writings there were NO commas and there were NO punctuations either , and NO capital letters, therefore when our translators tried to rewrite it for us it was all jumbled up (more or less) and in English would have looked like this…
          itellyouthistodayyouwillbewithmeinparadise.

          SO, they took this sentence and wrote it with the COMMA behind the word THIS, however the comma was supposed to be after the word TODAY,
          What He actually said was I tell you this today, you will be with Me in paradise. He didn’t lie to the thief. He was seriously telling him that He would be with JESUS in paradise and he will be there at the 1st resurrection of the dead when JESUS appears in the clouds to call up the saints that are in their graves.
          He didn’t forget what He said that day, but it was ONLY a PROMISE to the thief, not meant to have happened that very day, since we see that He didn’t go to paradise that very day, but into the tomb (the depth of the earth). And then after what He had told Mary about not touching Him, b/c He had NOT yet ascended to the FATHER.
          JESUS was on the earth for about 40 more days after the resurrection healing and teaching and doing things and finally went UP to be with the FATHER GOD, and He did that right in front of His disciples as they watched Him “rise” up into the clouds and disappear in complete and full bodily form, totally beyond amazing! PTL. I hope this helps you understand why you think as you do, b/c it’s what you were told, but it’s NOT Biblical, no foundation to stand on.

  • This style 10/6

    “My heart is full of compassion for Catholics who are where I was for over half my life: believing I belonged to the one true Church, but destined for an eternity in hell because I believed Rome’s false and fatal gospel,” Gendron continued.”

    No true Scotsman!

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      nope …. fail ….. does not apply …………

      • Lady_Checkmate

        It applies. It was a perfect example too.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          ignored ……….

          • Lady_Checkmate

            You ignored nothing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ignored ………

          • Lady_Checkmate

            No, Amos. Ignoring is saying nothing. You are just frustrating yourself.

    • dansLaRue

      Of all the myriad versions of the Bible, don’t you know the Star Bellied Sneetches are the only ones doing it the proper way?

      • Off Shore

        While there may be a myriad of versions of the Bible almost all of their messages are the same and that doesn’t include worshiping any creatures, but only the Creator Himself through Jesus Christ!

        • wandakate

          ONLY one GOD and ONE creator and it wasn’t Mary!!!

    • Off Shore

      2 Corinthians 11:14-15 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
      14 And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light.
      15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers
      of justice, whose end shall be according to their works.

      The followers of the roman church have been boondoggled. The apparition those kids seen was a devil leading the followers of the roman church into idol worship.

      • This style 10/6

        Unlikely. More to do with kid’s fantasies. Roman Catholics are no less Christian than any others.

        • Off Shore

          See the difference… I offered Holy Scripture you offered opinion.
          The roman church isn’t christian it’s of Satan and has and will lead more souls to Hell than any other religion.
          You also under estimate the enemy.

          • This style 10/6

            It is difficult to know what to say to such bigots as yourself. Perhaps you should pause before you condemn 1.2 billion people. I don’t know what sect you belong to but it is obviously founded on hate.

            This from a non-believer.

          • ort

            Actually, since you don’t know what you are talking about, you being entirely ignorant of Salvation, you really shouldn’t be commenting at all.

          • This style 10/6

            Oh, don’t be ridiculous!

          • ort

            I’m not. Look, I wouldn’t go to a physics forum and weigh in when I don’t know what I am talking about. Stands to reason that you, being an atheist, have no reason to weigh in on this topic. Because, frankly, you don’t know The Word of God, nor the Will of God. All you have is your disbelief. That hardly qualifies you. (shrug).

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Right, so why should anyone listen to you when you tell complete strangers what they do and don’t know about salvation? As Mark Twain said, better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

          • ort

            What don’t you get about the word “atheist”?? It is a person who rejects God and His Laws. Such a person will jump through hoops proclaiming they know all there is to know. When in reality, they know nothing but their own rebellion against God.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Well, the way some of you fundamentalists try to make God out to be, I’m not surprised. You lot are probably responsible for the fact there are many atheists as there are. I wouldn’t believe in this raging tyrannical monster either.

          • ort

            I don’t make God out to be anything He isn’t. Read His Word and find it out for yourself. Secondly, I am not responsible for anyone making the choice to be an atheist. That’s patently ridiculous and I think even you know that.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            But you can set an example. A good start would be more living by example and less proselytizing.

          • ort

            Jesus said to “preach the Gospel to everyone”. How can people hear if nobody tells them? We are also to speak the Truth. When I see an institution proffering unscriptural lies as Truth, I will say something. Secondly, you really don’t know how I live but you do know what I believe.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            So your version of it is the truth and the others are deceived. And yet you both have the same Bible. Hmmmm. Something doesn’t compute.

          • ort

            The Bible is the Bible. What’s NOT in the Bible are prayers directed to anyone other than God, the rosary, transubstantiation, popes, icons, purgatory, holy water, prayers for the dead, Mary being a perpetual virgin, Mary as Queen of heaven, etc.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            They don’t need to be in the Bible, just like your car or your computer.

            Prayers – they are intercessory and are ultimately directed to God.
            The rosary – a simple optional tool used to aid prayer.
            Etc.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            He probably knows more about it than every fundamentalist here put together.

          • ort

            How is that?

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            He’s not raining judgment and hate on everyone, for one thing.

          • ort

            Oh please. “Raining judgement and hate”? A little dramatic, aren’t you? It isn’t hate, it’s stating a fact. An atheist doesn’t know the Word or Will of God. You disagree with that? You shouldn’t.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Tell me what you’re doing to the Catholics right this minute. Isn’t that hate? What gives you the right to “correct” them when you’re likely every bit as wrong as they are?

          • ort

            I’m not hating when I disagree with them and can Biblically prove it. Using your argument, I can say you are hating me because you disagree with me. Sound foolish? It should, because it is.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Really? Am I telling anybody they’re going to hell because I am disagreeing with them?

          • ort

            The Gospel is clear. It also states who will go to hell. I didn’t write it.
            Quoting scripture is not hate except to those to whom this verse applies—“The message of the cross is to them that are perishing, foolishness.”

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            You’re basically declaring other Christians to be false. That’s very off-putting and is an example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

          • ort

            I’m using the Word of God as the only litmus test that determines who is of God, and who is not.
            That is the meaning of “judging”. We are to know the Word so we don’t get caught up in things we shouldn’t.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Which makes you different from all the other Christians who make exactly the same claim – how? And that includes all the ones you claim to be false.

          • Off Shore

            Oh so now the size of your religion makes it right…well then lets all flock to islam since they are the largest at 1.8 billion, lol. If trying to preach the gospel (truth) to you or the 1.2 + 1.8=3 billion +1 (you) lost souls gets me labeled as a hater then praise the Lord He told me that I would be falsely accused and hated, Amen!

          • wandakate

            That is VERY true “off shore”…Matthew 5:1-12…BLESSSED are ye when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and say ALL manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.
            REJOICE and be exceedingly GLAD for great is your reward in heaven for so persecuted those who were before you.
            Not many in the last days are going to stand up for JESUS as they were told to do, and will fall by the wayside, they will become lukewarm, they will backslide and lose their faith, but thank the LORD that you’re still handing in there and willing regardless to witness, testify and uphold the name above all names JESUS, not Mary…
            His rewards will be coming with Him to give to each according to their WORKS shall be (Rev. 22)…Keep the faith, and don’t allow anybody to persuade you otherwise.

          • wandakate

            Just food for thought, but sometimes the TRUTH gets in the way. Condemnation will come from JESUS who told us to worship ONLY His FATHER GOD, and have NO other GOD’s before Him.
            You either obey or you don’t. We are to judge righteously. Has NOTHING whatsoever to do with hate, but TRUTH.
            The Bible tells us when we know the TRUTH the TRUTH will set us free (spiritually free) in the word.

          • This style 10/6

            And of course the truth is whatever you say it is.

          • wandakate

            NO…NOT AT ALL! The TRUTH is ONLY in the Bible. If you tried to read and study it then you would know that instead of attacking people who do know it and accusing them.

          • This style 10/6

            You assume that I have not read the bible. I have and it is a work with which you can prove just about anything you like.

            You have one interpretation which you insist is the only true one but there are thousands of other sects each of which claims that it has the truth.

          • wandakate

            Just because there are 1.2 billion people in that church doesn’t mean it’s right, doesn’t mean they have the truth.
            The masses (according to Max Lucado- famous author) are always WRONG.

          • wandakate

            The “enemy” is way more powerful that most want to believe. Satan came to KILL, STEAL, and DESTROY mankind, and he’s working on that to this day to destroy all souls (people) that believe in JESUS.
            LIFE boils down to one simple equation…It’s a “spiritual” battle between the forces of “good” and the forces of “evil”, plain and simple. Satan is the “god” of this evil world and in the end he loses…GOD is way more powerful than satan b/c he was only a fallen angel. But GOD gave him plenty of power to rule the earth for a time until He (GOD) sends JESUS to take over and rule (Rev. 11:15-19).

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          some are .. some are not ………

        • wandakate

          Christians and Catholics are NOT the same. They don’t believe the same things and they don’t worship the same JESUS.
          They do NOT exalt Mary b/c they know she can’t answer their prayers. They know that JESUS CHRIST is the ONLY way to GOD the FATHER, so what you say has no merit whatsoever, and thus NO foundation to stand on.
          Saying Catholics are Christians is like saying they’re Islamic and the three are VERY separate.

        • wandakate

          Catholics and Christians do NOT worship the same or believe the same…

          • This style 10/6

            Catholics are Christians. There are differences in.worship but they are the original Christians.

      • ThroatwobblerMangrove

        Catholics don’t fight against things like evolution and they preach Christ’s love and forgiveness. For whatever faults they might have, I’d take them any day of the week over the bitter, angry fundamentalists.

    • wandakate

      Apparently you know NOTHING about the HRCC. Hundreds are coming out of it and will never return b/c they have found the truth.
      When you know the truth, the truth will set you free (spiritually free) to know the word of GOD and how to interrupt it correctly.

  • Reason2012

    “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;”
    1 Timothy 2:5

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    “And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.”
    Luke 11:27-28

    “And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.”
    Mark 3:33-35

    “Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
    Mark 7:7

    “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
    Acts 8:36-37

    “But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.”
    Matthew 23:5-10

    “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
    Ephesians 2:8-10

    “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”
    Romans 4:4-5

    “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven [carved] image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
    Exodus 20:4

    “I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
    Isaiah 42:8

    “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he [Jesus] did once, when he offered up himself.”
    Hebrews 7:27

    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
    Hebrews 10:10

    “Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
    Acts 16:29-31

    “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:13-15

    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
    Matthew 7:21-23

    “And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.”
    Revelation 22:8-9

    • wandakate

      MARY asked JESUS to magnify her, He “did not” asked her to do that for Him. She (Mary) had NO powers whatsoever to do anything for JESUS. She couldn’t magnify anything, as she wasn’t and still isn’t able to do that.
      Where is Mary right now? Does anybody here know where she is?

  • JPT

    Possessors and professors of “true faith” have been at this for thousands of years and still can’t manage to get things straight amongst themselves.

  • destiny

    Catholics are going to hell. The archdiocese of Denver and catholic charities are evil. Tamara Hayes manages Marian Plaza, a hellhole catholic charities building in Denver that treats seniors worse than animals.

  • Quo Vadis? 何処へ

    What an irony ! Many bishops mentioned in the article throw out sc. traditional catholics, because they are “childish” and welcome “fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate and homosexuals because seemingly they behave like “grown ups”.
    Blessed Mary of Fatima – and not only – called to all humanity to turn to the teaching of her son and our Redeemer. Today a lot of hierarchs try to introduce a new moral order – which is the very old one, that of Sodom and Gomorrah. If they don’t return to Christ’s teaching in Gen.1.27-8;Mal.2.14-6;Mt.19.3-9,5.27-8;1Cor.6.9-10;Rom.1.18-32;Eph.5.5-14;Arcanum Divinae;Casti Connubi & Familiaris Consortio; the Holy Mother will be the first to accuse them before Christ ! Consecrations negated by deeds are worthless!

    • ort

      That wasn’t Mary. Mary is dead, is not Queen of heaven, and wasn’t a virgin after the birth of Jesus. She went on to have kids. Mary cannot grant salvation, she cannot forgive, and she cannot save anyone. You need to read a Bible.

      • wandakate

        They read their own Bible (the Catholic one). They pray to a Priest (mortal man) and they pray to Mary who is dead and doesn’t hear a word of their prayers while they hold their rosary beads. That is ALL very sad. No she’s NOT the queen of anything, she’s simply in her grave waiting on her son JESUS to come in the clouds and raise her “UP” so that she may go to be with Him. She isn’t immortal either b/c “only” JESUS had immortality…She will get her new glorified body at the 1st resurrection of the dead, and that is when she will turn from mortal to immortal and from corrupt to incorrupt…
        NO, she doesn’t have the power to grant ANY salvation or answers prayers, the “dead” know NOTHING, they are NOT aware of anything according to the Bible.
        YES she had other children with Joseph her husband and thus JESUS had brothers and sisters according to scripture.
        Apparently ALL of that has been removed from their scriptures.
        When they know the TRUTH, the TRUTH will set them ALL free, but until then they are in the dark and that’s how satan wants it. They have been very deceived and just don’t realize it.

  • DocTom46

    Welcome Revelation 17. No big surprises.

  • pennyonecent

    Mary gave birth to Jesus, that is true. BUT…she is not “perfect” or without sin, she was human, created by God, therefore she is not a god and should not be consecrated. Basic facts.

  • InTheChurch

    “To whomever embraces this devotion I promise salvation; these souls shall be dear to God, as flowers placed by me to adorn His throne.”
    John 3:16 has it wrong. not his son sent but Mary

    • wandakate

      WHAT are you trying to say? This makes no sense to me.

      • InTheChurch

        They say in the quote that Mary saves souls but we know the truth in John 3:16, Jesus does and only Him.

        • wandakate

          Who’s they say? Must be the HRCC. They have been told that Mary can save souls and hear their prayers, but of course we know that’s not true. ONLY the LORD JESUS CHRIST has the authority or the power to do that.
          JESUS is our mediator between GOD and man. He is our ONLY advocate to the FATHER GOD.
          If it’s NOT in the scriptures then scrap it, shred it and toss it in the dumpster!!!

  • Sunny D

    The whitest form of black magic, roman catholicism

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    You’ll never prove how much you love Jesus by how much you hate Mary.

    • jesus freak

      We don’t hate Mary! She was chosen by God to be the mother of His Redeemer Son- She was an obedient servant, obviously a deeply devout young woman, but not a goddess- that is what we oppose-

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        No one considers Mary to be divine. Get a grip.

      • ThroatwobblerMangrove

        No one says she’s a goddess.

        • ort

          “Queen of Heaven” is a majorly Goddess-like title.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Who says that though? Some stupid pope from a few hundred years ago? There HAVE been stupid popes, it’s just the law of averages.

          • ort

            A lot of un-Biblical practices have come from the RCC that have no basis in Scripture.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            That’s because the RCC isn’t a Bible-only church. They have two other sources of authority, the magisterium and sacred tradition. So why are you expecting them to be Bible only which happened hundreds of years later? Why are you expecting them to play by YOUR rules?

          • ort

            The Bible was completed before the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. It was not compiled “hundreds of years later”. The Word of God is, in itself, complete and does not need to be added to.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            The Bible was codified by the Catholic Church.

          • ort

            It was compiled in AD 170. No RCC and no Constantine at that time.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Peter was the first pope. They have apostolic succession.

          • ort

            Nowhere does it say Peter was a “pope”. In Galatians, Paul meets up with Peter in Antioch some 14 years after the Damascus road incident. Paul writes “I withstood Peter to his face because he was to be blamed.” Blamed for what, you ask?
            Because Peter reverted back to Jewish laws and refused to eat with Gentile believers.
            I thought Popes were infallible? If Peter was Pope, Paul surely wouldn’t have confronted him.
            Secondly, in Galatians 2:8, it says “for God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as AN APOSTLE TO THE JEWS, was also at work in my ministry as an APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES.”

            If Peter was pope, he would have been the apostle to the Gentiles. But he was not!!

            In addition in Matthew 23:9-10 Jesus/God says “do not call anyone on earth “father” for you have one Father, and He is in heaven.”
            Jesus doesn’t mean your earthly dad, your biological father, but as a term for one who is a religious position of authority.

            The whole pope thing is unscriptural, absolutely wrong, and cannot be defended using extra Biblical sources.
            Finally, as Paul wrote in Colossians 2:8 “see to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, WHICH DEPENDS ON HUMAN TRADITION and the basic principles of this world, rather than on Christ.”

            The RCC touts its “tradition”. Tradition is not the same as the clear Word of God.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            “Nowhere does it say Peter was a “pope”.

            So why are you still looking in scripture for these things when you’ve already been told that Catholics have not just the Bible as authority, but the magisterium and sacred tradition? Don’t expect the original Christians to play by the rules you invented centuries later.

            The earliest Christians were not “Bible-only”.

          • ort

            You didn’t even read my reply. If you did, you’d have read the verses which refute your POV.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            So thenwhy are YOU refuting “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church”?

          • ort

            NOWHERE in scripture is ANYONE EVER referred to as The Rock except God Almighty Himself! The Greek is “little stone” (Peter) and The Rock the Church is built in is Jesus Christ/God!!

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            I did not misquote.

          • ort

            You do not understand the meaning behind the quote. You also do not give substance to your refutation.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Ever been to the Vatican? Look up “apostolic succession” sometime.

      • wandakate

        She was NEVER ever above JESUS…She was chosen and I totally agree with you she was obedient, and deeply committed to her faith and thus that is why she was chosen by GOD to carry the baby JESUS, however she went on to have more children with Joseph. She died when her time came, she’s in her grave. She can’t hear or answer the prayers of the Catholic people, she is NOT able to forgive anybody’s sins, as she does not have the power or the authority from GOD to do such a thing. Because “only” JESUS is able to forgive us from any sins and ALL unrighteousness. He is the “only” mediator to GOD the FATHER, our advocate and there is NO other.
        What they believe b/c of their teachings is apparently false and NOT scriptural at all, has no foundation to stand on, isn’t the TRUTH of the word. The sooner they know the TRUTH and believe it the better off they will ALL be. Many do know and are coming OUT of the HRCC, to their own advantage.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      false dichotomy ………….

      • BuckeyePhysicist

        I’m making a general point, Amos. I have no argument with you. You’re among my favorite posters.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          no … i get that …. but your position on this point is really out of place …… and i like your posts most of the time also …… peace brother ……..

          • wandakate

            I also like Amos Moses post for the most part, but he needs to really “learn and study” scripture, b/c he’s got a lot of it wrong!!!

    • Leo Roszkowski

      You will prove how much you love Jesus / Yeshua by obeying His commandments and if you believe he is the “Word” then that includes all commandements – ALL commandements / instruction (law)

    • ort

      I don’t hate Maryam. What I hate are the false teachings of the RCC, who has sent as many souls to hell as islam, buddhism, and hinduism.

      • ThroatwobblerMangrove

        Proof please?
        Oh right, you don’t have any. You’re just screeching hatred again.

        • ort

          The only one screeching here is you. Please retire the “hate” and “judgment” cards because it’s getting old. Making a statement is not hate. Maybe you are over reacting and taking it personally because your conscience is bothering you re: your rebellion against your Creator Who loved you enough to die for you.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Catholics going to hell. Real nice. So the Christians who did it for hundreds and hundreds of years are wrong according to you but your 50-year old denomination is somehow the real deal.

          • ort

            I got news for you, many people (regardless of denomination) are going to hell. Jesus Himself tells those who say to Him “we did many miracles in your Name” and He says “Depart from Me, for I never knew you.” What does that mean? It means that those who had no relationship with Him are not known to Him. That’s why it’s not a religion, but a relationship when we become born again and saved. Sitting in a pew on Sunday doesn’t save you. Tithing doesn’t save you. Praying a certain number of times a week doesn’t save you. Repenting, being born again DOES. We then have to maintain that relationship–that Father/child relationship. I love the Lord more than my own life. He died so I wouldn’t have to go to hell. I can never repay that debt. Nobody can. That’s why the things we do fall way short of the mark and cannot save us.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No, it’s a religion. Watch how fast it turns into a religion when they try to take your tax free status away.

            As for going to hell, how about leaving that up to God? Otherwise it looks like you’re cheering for to happen.

  • Leo Roszkowski

    and the protestant Church is still submitted to Rome by following the Sunday Sabbath which the Catholic Church said it changed from the biblical saturday to the pagan/catholic sunday on its own authority which it posses

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      actually scripture supports Sunday worship ….. or any day of the week for that matter ….. so not sure what your post is concerning ….

      • Leo Roszkowski

        The Catholic Church confirms that the biblical Sabbath is Saturday. Scripture never changed it. Then the Catholic Church said on its authority and its authority only it changed it to sunday. This is from Catholic writings.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          the apostles met for worship of Christ on Sunday …. the day Christ rose from the grave ….

          John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

          Christ rose on Sunday …… the Sabbath being the last day of the week (Saturday) ….. but Paul also said ………

          Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

          and this was WELL before the RCC was ….. although they would dispute that ……

          every day is a sabbath day …….. we do not sit in remembrance of Christ just one day a week ….. but EVERYDAY ….

          • wandakate

            Amos, the Apostles/disciples met on the first day of the week ONLY for fear of the Jews. Didn’t you read that in your Bible?
            JESUS rose sometime between Sat. around 6 p.m. and Sun. morning before dawn. B/C when the woman went to the tomb JESUS was “already” gone. The Angel told her/them He’s NOT here, He has risen.
            He was laid in the tomb at approximately 6 p.m. and He told them He would remain in the depth of the earth (the tomb) for 3 days and 3 nights (literal days and nights as in 72 hrs. of time). That meant He arose 3 days after He was laid in the tomb Amos.
            When did JESUS go into the tomb? Do you know (have you studied) the history of what day He actually died? Do you know anything about the High Holy Day Sabbath? Do you know anything about the specific week that He died?
            Until you do then it’s going to be impossible for you or anybody else to know the answers to these things.
            And YES the Sabbath was and still is (according to my 2017-2018 calendar the 7th day of the week and Sunday is the first. What day did GOD rest on? It was the 7th day, that’s NOT Sunday.
            The disciples continued to worship in the temples and synagogues on Saturday. JESUS “never” worshipped on Sunday Amos, and neither did the disciples…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “What Paul wrote does not override what GOD wrote with His own finger on 2 tablets of stone (the 4th Commandment).”

            God wrote it all through the Holy Spirit and Paul ………..

          • And amen again.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “What Paul wrote does not override what GOD wrote”

            ALL scripture is theopneustos ….. from “In the beginning” ….. to “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.” …. and every word inbetween …… there is nothing in scripture that was written by Paul or Peter or Jude or any other person that did not come from the Triune Godhead ………. even those small portions where Paul said ” … this is not from God, it is me Paul speaking …..” even that came from the Triune Godhead ….. so i am not sure what point you are trying to make ….. biblically …….

            2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

            ALL scripture ……… even the parts we want to disagree with ………..

          • Amen.

        • wandakate

          Please read below Amos reply and see what I wrote to Amos thanks!

      • wandakate

        Try reading the 4th Commandment and what does it say?
        Just a reminder that it is the ONLY commandment that starts with the word REMEMBER…and it’s also the LONGEST commandment of all 10 of them.
        When did GOD do away with them? Are they irrelevant now? Are they obsolete? Were they “done away” with at the cross”?
        He is right Constantine did change it from Saturday to Sunday by decree of death. He incorporated ALL of the pagan customs into the Christian church back then in order to increase membership…
        So it looks like you might want to study all of that “history” so you will know what is the truth and what’s isn’t.
        Not all but most still adhere to what the Emperor Constantine started and attend church on the 1st day of the new week instead of the 7th day that ends a week.
        And it DOES matter what day, but people don’t do it, b/c they have been told otherwise, in other words deceived!!!
        Are you aware that the 7th day Sabbath will be celebrated and carried out in the New Heaven and the New Earth?
        If it’s NOT important anymore then why would that be?

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Any day and EVERYDAY is the Sabbath …. it was not done away with anywhere …….

          • wandakate

            NO it wasn’t DONE AWAY WITH anywhere, but GOD did NOT specify that the other 6 days were holy. He didn’t sanctify them. He didn’t say there were special. He didn’t rest on any of them. And even JESUS didn’t worship GOD the FATHER on the 1st day Sunday either. He ALWAYS went to the Temple on the 7th day. He WORKED for the other 6 days, remember? GOD set aside the 7th day as special and that was the day that he “commanded” us to rest, NOT the other 6 days. You are either naively or purposely ignoring the facts and the truth.
            And when you know the truth, the truth will set you free…
            He didn’t command us to REMEMBER all of the 7 days and worship Him every single one of them b/c they were special Amos. He ONLY set aside that ONE special day and you’re going all around that and somehow trying to avoid it…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “NO it wasn’t DONE AWAY WITH anywhere, but GOD did NOT specify that the other 6 days were holy. ”

            Christ is our sabbath ….. Christ fulfilled the LAW that you are advocating ….. and ANY day is our sabbath as we worship Christ freely ….. as we are now under GRACE and not the law ….. you are free to worship Him on Saturday or Sunday or any other day that ends with the letter ‘Y’ ………..

            Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
            2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

            the sabbath is no longer restricted to any specific day ….. it was opened to EVERYDAY …… and you should have the desire to worship Him every day ………. and obey Him everyday ……

          • wandakate

            Amos, I do thank the LORD everyday and a few times per day. The commandment told us NOT to work on that day or allow anyone without our household/gates to work on that day. It was a day for rest and relaxation to rejunavate for the

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “The commandment told us NOT to work on that day or allow anyone without our household/gates to work on that day.”

            we are under grace …. we are not under the law ….. it is lawful to worship any day at any time ….. and our salvation is not dependent on being perfect in following the law ….. we are not capable of following the law and there is nothing salvific in following the law ….. and we do not have the option of adding the law to grace …………. that is the learning of the sabbath ………. Christ is our sabbath ……..

          • wandakate

            Saved by GRACE, judged by our WORKS or did James get that all wrong?
            I NEVER once said that our salvation was dependent on being perfect in following the law.
            Amos, who told you that we couldn’t follow the law if we wanted to do so? Sure we can, we’ve just been told that we can’t so we don’t try. CHRIST is our redeemer, our King, our savior, our LORD. He said He was LORD of the SABBATH DAY, “not” that He was the Sabbath.
            He also said that He did NOT come to take away the law. Our MORAL LAWS were NEVER taken away.

            Are the 10 commandments not relevant any longer Amos?
            Are they obsolete, invalid?
            Do ANY of them apply?
            Can we steal, murder, have other gods before GOD?
            Is it okay to covet, disrespect our parents etc?

            You like MANY Christians like to disregard the Sabbath but tell me that a the other 9 still matter.

            JESUS said, “IF YOU LOVE ME , KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.” Amos, what commandments was He talking about there?????

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … James did not get it wrong …… the understanding of what James said is the problem …… our works come FROM our being saved ….. as a result of the change in our nature that God changed …. that removing the heart of stone and giving us a heart of flesh …… God does not need our good works ….. our neighbors do ….. our works do not keep us saved …… our works do not ensure our salvation ……. our works do not preserve our salvation ….. our works do not make us more saved …… but as truly saved persons we produce fruit ACCORDING to that new nature …… a good tree is not capable of NOT producing fruit …. it cannot will itself to Not produce fruit …………

            to God …… EVEN ON OUR BEST DAY ……… all our works ….. and i mean EVERY ONE OF OUR WORKS are as filthy rags …… God has absolutely no regard for them …… they neither add to nor diminish our salvation ……. our good works GROW out of the seed He planted in us ….. that seed being our salvation ……….

          • wandakate

            You are finally saying things that are in fact Biblical…
            Our WORKS and our SALVATION are NOT the same. The are Saved by GOD’s grace and then we will be obedient and do good deeds b/c of it. Yes, our neighbors and other need the good deeds and the LORD wants us to do them for those who need them and are more unfortunate than we are. JESUS did tell us that we will be rewarded when He comes for our WORKS/deeds Rev. 22. Our works don’t keep us saved correct. We are to produce fruit (same as work)….He saved us by His grace and love for us, but we were also told to be “obedient” and to follow His commands as I have mentioned before. We would NOT necessarily desire to do good works if we had not received the HOLY SPIRIT to guide us to do so. Bless the Missionaries and the ones who are striving to do so and thus please the LORD…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” but we were also told to be “obedient” and to follow His commands ”

            so again ….. you want to add LAW to salvation and GRACE ….. sorry …. NO GO ………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “The commandment told us NOT to work on that day or allow anyone without our household/gates to work on that day.”

            you are completely within your christian liberty to honor the sabbath on Saturday …… and in that fashion if you so choose ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            BTW …. how many days have you been perfect in your keeping in all of the laws …… even just the ten commandments ………. because what you are advocating is going back under the law and trying to keep that perfectly ….. and ONLY Christ was capable of doing that ….. and He did it FOR us ………………. and our salvation is in no danger by not “keeping the sabbath” perfectly ……….. our salvation cannot be lost ……….. it is permanent …………

          • wandakate

            I can’t believe the nerve you have. You asked me questions and expect answers, yet my questions keep going unanswered, what’s up with that?
            We do NOT have to “obey” all 600+ laws, but we were OBLIGATED to “obey” the Moral Laws of GOD which are the Big 10. They were referred to also as the Royal Laws.
            If as I said to you before you can “get rid of” the 4th one, what happens to the other 9, and you still won’t answer that. You are being very UNFAIR…and it’s NOT appreciated.
            Hosea 4:6…MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE LAW OF YOUR GOD, I ALSO WILL FORGET YOUR CHILDREN.
            Ezekiel 33:13-19, but here is 18 and 19…WHEN THE RIGHTEOUS TURNS FROM HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS AND COMMITS INIQUITY, HE SHALL “die” BECAUSE OF IT.
            BUT WHENTHE WICKED TURNS FROM HIS WICKEDNESS AND DOES WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT, HE SHALL LIVE BECAUSE OF IT.
            Ezekiel 18:20-24 tells that that if a RIGHTEOUS man is unfaithful then he’s guilty, and b/c of the sins that he is committing (even though he was once saved) he will DIE for them.
            The ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED doctrine is a “lie” from satan.
            And as for the “SPIRIT” I am finding another verse about it here in Ecclesiastes 3:21…WHO KNOWS THE SPIRIT OF THE SONS OF MEN, WHICH “GOES UPWARD”, AND THE SPIRIT OF THE ANIMALS WHICH GOES DOWN TO THE EARTH (animals don’t go to heaven). Just as I have tried to tell you it’s the “SPIRIT” in man that goes “UP” at death.
            You are VERY mistaken in your beliefs and I do pray that you will find the TRUTH before it’s too late…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure ….. no to the 600+ ….. we agree …. i got that …… but not what i asked ……. even just the Big 10 …. we as fallen men and women are not capable of following them perfectly ….. not even for a day, probably not even for an hour ….. and the point is we are not under the law … we are under grace …… we try to follow the Big 10 to the best of our ability …. we will always fail …… but being that we are under grace ….. our faith is seen as righteousness …… our faith is in that Christ is willing to forgive and to stand between us and the Father …. that when the Father looks at us He sees Christs righteousness ….. not our failures …… that is our sabbath ….. that is our covering …. that is our righteousness given to us, imputed to us by Christ at the Cross ….

            my question was not out of impertinence ……. it was in a hope to get you to see that our trying to follow the law perfectly is not in any way connected to our salvation ….. it is a goal we seek to conform to Christ ….. but our salvation is not tied to it …… our salvation cannot be lost due to not following the law perfectly …… none of the OT followers were saved in any way by following the law ….. there were many of them saved …… but it was by their having faith in the Savior to come ……. ours is in the Savior who HAS come already ….. and it is the same person …………

          • wandakate

            You are STILL just going round and round apparently b/c you are in a mainstream congregation/church and this is what they have programmed you to believe. You have been somewhat brainwashed and you’re not even aware of it.
            I have told you over and over again what scripture says. I’ve even printed it right out my Bible for you to read and you STILL don’t believe any of it…I showed you where we are capable of losing our salvation by sinning.
            We always need to confess, repent and forsake our sins in order to please the LORD. At least when we do that He knows we are serious and that we are at least trying to please Him.
            You STILL haven’t been able to answer ANY of my direct questions and until you do, I have nothing else to write to you b/c you are being adamant, and disrespectful and not treating me as you would want me to treat you. I will look for your answers. Try being courteous, it works!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I have told you over and over again what scripture says. I’ve even printed it right out my Bible for you to read and you STILL don’t believe any of it””The commandment told us NOT to work on that day or allow anyone without our household/gates to work on that day.”

            sure …. i believe it ….. no work ….. so you want to go under that law of Shabat ….. ok ….. here is the deal …… no work means that ANY of the activities below means you have broken shabat ……… are you clear on that ….. and if you have done even one of these on any Shabat …… then you have fallen short under that law ……….. FYI ….. if you EVER tore a piece of toilet paper from a roll to wipe yourself on Shabat, you have broken Shabat ….. as that is work …… if you drive your car to church ……. you are in violation of the law as you have broken Shabat ……….. if you have EVER done anything but WALKED to church and within a certain circumscribed area ……… you are in violation of the law as you have broken Shabat ……….. if you turned on a SWITCH for a light or pushed an elevator button or caused any machine to operate, INCLUDING YOUR TELEVISION …….. you are in violation of the law as you have broken Shabat ………..

            5.1 The Order of Bread
            5.1.1 Planting
            5.1.2 Plowing
            5.1.3 Reaping
            5.1.4 Gathering
            5.1.5 Threshing/Extraction
            5.1.6 Winnowing
            5.1.7 Sorting/Purification
            5.1.8 Grinding
            5.1.9 Sifting
            5.1.10 Kneading/Amalgamation
            5.1.11 Cooking/Baking

            5.2 The Order of Garments
            5.2.1 Shearing
            5.2.2 Scouring/Laundering
            5.2.3 Carding/Combing wool
            5.2.4 Dyeing
            5.2.5 Spinning
            5.2.6 Warping
            5.2.7 Making two loops/threading heddles
            5.2.8 Weaving
            5.2.9 Separating two threads
            5.2.10 Tying
            5.2.11 Untying
            5.2.12 Sewing
            5.2.13 Tearing

            5.3 The Order of Hides
            5.3.1 Trapping
            5.3.2 Slaughtering
            5.3.3 Flaying/Skinning
            5.3.4 Curing/Preserving
            5.3.5 Smoothing
            5.3.6 Scoring
            5.3.7 Measured Cutting

            5.4 The Order of Construction
            5.4.1 Writing
            5.4.2 Erasing
            5.4.3 Building
            5.4.4 Demolition
            5.4.5 Extinguishing a fire
            5.4.6 Igniting a fire
            5.4.7 Applying the finishing touch
            5.4.8 Transferring between domains

          • wandakate

            What a WASTE of precious time for you to list ALL of those laws!!!
            We are NOT under the 600+ laws that were thrown on the people of that day and age. We were ONLY under the Moral Laws of GOD and we were supposed to do the FEAST of the LORD (which we don’t do). They had
            .ceremonial laws (not necessary)
            .sacrificial laws (not necessary)
            .dietary laws (recommended for our health)
            .common laws (not necessary)
            .moral laws (they are the Big 10-yes they do apply (all 10 of them)…
            and there were other ridiculous laws that we today are certainly NOT under.
            We’re NOT under ALL of those laws, but under the Grace of GOD. The Big 10 were to be applied and obeyed for 1,000 generations, and it’s NOT been that long yet.
            Those people were under bondage, and we are NOT b/c JESUS came to set the captives free.
            However as I have stated if Thou shalt not murder or Thou shalt not steal do still apply today then so does the 4th Commandment. We don’t just toss it aside and take it out like you want to do and are doing.
            IT’s either ALL or nothing, but GOD doesn’t change. He’s the same yesterday, today and tomorrow…

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … YOU want to be UNDER that LAW of SHABAT ………. so ALL that comes WITH IT ….. you do not get to pick and choose ….. except for GRACE or THE LAW ……… and the category you have chosen is LAW …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Where it says ‘circumcision’ here …. substitute ‘sabbath’ …………. if you want to be under the law ….. you are a debtor to the WHOLE OF THE LAW …………..

            Galaitians
            5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
            5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
            5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
            5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
            5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
            5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
            5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
            5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
            5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
            5:10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
            5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
            5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
            5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
            5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Activities that cannot be performed on the Sabbath are basic tasks connected with preparing the showbread (sowing, plowing, reaping, binding, threshing, winnowing, selecting, grinding, sifting, kneading, baking), work related to making the coverings in the Tabernacle and the vestments used by the Kohanim (shearing sheep), bleaching, carding (changing tangled or compressed material into separate fibers), dyeing, spinning, stretching (material), making two loops (meshes), threading needles, weaving, separating, tying (a knot), untying (a knot), sewing, tearing, activities concerned with writing and the preparation of parchment from animal skin (trapping or hunting), slaughtering, flaying (skinning), treating skins (curing hides), scraping pelts, marking out (to make ready for cutting), cutting (to shape), writing, erasing, construction (building, demolishing), kindling a flame (lighting, extinguishing), carrying (from private to public domain, and vice versa), and putting the finishing touches to a piece of work already begun before the Sabbath.

            The Rabbis decreed that one not only should avoid forbidden acts but also must not do anything that (1) resembles a prohibited act or could be confused with it, (2) is a habit linked with a prohibited act, or (3) usually leads to performing a prohibited act.

      • wandakate

        WHERE does the scripture support Sunday worship????? Are you going to tell me that the disciples/apostles met on Sunday for a worship service? Negative !!! They were ONLY meeting on a Sunday for “fear of the Jews”. Read the scriptures for yourself and see what it actually tells us. That meeting had NOTHING whatsoever to do with any worship service. They ALL met on the SABBATH which was and still is a Saturday.

  • Quick Quotes: Mary Had More Children After Jesus

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    • “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.” – Matthew 1:18

    • “Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS” – Matthew 1:24-25

    • “While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. ” – Matthew 12:46-47

    • “Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this all these things?” – Matthew 13:55-56

    • “And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him: Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee’s children.” – Matthew 27:55-56

    • “There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him. And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.” – Mark 3:31-32

    • “Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.” – Mark 6:3

    • “And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn” – Luke 2:6-7

    • “Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.” – Luke 8:19-20

    • “And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.” – Acts 1:13-14

    • “Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days. But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother” – Galatians 1:18-19

    • “The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth” – II John v.1

  • Diametrical Dogmas: The Holy Bible vs. The Catholic Catechism

    Part 1 The Profession of Faith: I. Mary’s Motherhood with Regard to the Church

    969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

    • The Catechism asserts that Mary is a mediator (“Mediatrix”)

    However…

    I Timothy 2:5-6
    …(5)For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; (6)Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time…

    BIBLE: God —> Jesus Christ —> man (1).
    CCC: God —> Jesus Christ —> Mary —> man (2).

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    They can’t both be true.

    • wandakate

      NO they’re NOT both true b/c “only” JESUS CHRIST is our advocate to the FATHER GOD, and “only” JESUS CHRIST is our mediator to the FATHER.
      Mary is exalted in place of JESUS. She’s on a pedestal. They build graven images to her. I knew a Catholic Priest in Fl. and He had her statue in his front yard at his house with a light blue silk scarf around her head. There was artificial flowers laying at her feet (that’s adoration-that’s worship) it’s also having OTHER “gods” before the real true GOD. The commandment says, “Thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS before me…

      • Amen.

        And if such people don’t repent from it…they will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

        • wandakate

          Well I don’t think you could have written it any clearer than that!!! Either they obey or they don’t, real simple isn’t it?

  • The catholic priest there, ol mitch pacawahaha, even looks dumb. What utter fools these guys are what are they going to do next, declare Mary the queen of heaven? Heck the idiots may as well go on and declare her to be the mother of God the Father. The whole catholic thing has come completely off the rails. Their idiot poop is a raving maniac, socio/commie/GLOB earth worshiper and muz foot kisser. It’s about over folks.

    • wandakate

      She’s already been declared the Queen of Heaven, who they pray too thinking she will forgive them. Thinking that she actually hears them. They also pray to other dead saints…Oh my!!! Such confusion. GOD is not a GOD of confusion, but of a sound MIND!

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Luke 1:48.

  • Roy Veteto

    every once in a while some one will find something that they claim has the image of jesus in it. i am waiting for the day when i find something that has an image of a priest molesting mary

  • William A. O’Rourke Jr

    I agree with Robin Egg.
    Also, There is only one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus
    Christ sent the Holy Spirit to be in His place on earth not another thus, No pope has ever been sent of God and NO pope is the vicar of Christ nor ‘Very God’ in any business. But in Daniel and Revelations it describes whom the position of the pope represents. History and Bible says it is clear that for a short time there was no pope. A deadly wound was inflected, all the nations for a time were free of the interference of the church in their business. But the wound started to heal and by WW2 had regained much of its position and influence in the nations. Then during Mussolini’s brown shirt rule, he gave back all that was lost in 1798 at the capture and death of the pope. And scripture says what happened next, all the world started to wonder after it. In Revelation, in the Latin Vulgate and the English Douay Rheims vs 18:4
    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Go out from her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. And in the KJV it says vs 18:4
    And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    In one God is saying ‘come out’ in the other He is saying ‘Go out’ He goes to both groups of churches saying to the members, leave and find the seed of the woman and the saints, those that fear God and keep the commandments and have the testimony of Jesus Christ, and have the faith of Jesus. Revelation 12:17 & 14:12. So, it’s not just the catholic church, it’s all of christianity that is looked at by God and Christ, He that sits on the throne and the Lamb REV 6:15,16,17!

  • Biblical? Anyone who is saying that and supports Donald Trump, et al, is being a complete hypocrite–and most of his support IS from the evangelical community. What irony!

    • wandakate

      One thing is for sure what we have is 100% better than what we could have had.

      • Sorry, but you will have to be far more specific. Just saying it doesn’t make it so. State your argument.

      • Well? Aren’t you going to back up your assertion?

        Exactly how is Trump 100% better? I’ll offer you some suggestions why you believe Trump is far superior to Clinton:

        Perhaps because he’s attacking all groups, including the poor and brown people, that you don’t like. Because he’s further undermining the healthcare of millions of the working poor?

        Because he’s giving a larger public profile and power to his fellow white nationalists and white supremacists? Because he is Wall Street personified?

        Because he is dishonest? Because not paying his debts and not showing his tax returns you think is a “smart” business strategy? Because he cheated students, workers and small contractors out of their money?

        Because he’s filled his cabinet with Wall Street oligarchs?

        Because his campaign most likely colluded with Putin (because you now like Putin since Trump does)? Because he is racking in money through his businesses (profiteering from his presidency), much of it coming from foreign governments–exactly what he, and likely you, were claiming against Clinton? Because of her private email server–that Trump et al likely uses as well and even tried to get Russia to open a secret back-door for private Trumpian conversations with Putin?

        If any Democrat/liberal/progressive was known to have done any of this–or even being investigated for it–or even having the appearance of it–what would you be saying? You wouldn’t be in high earth orbit? Be honest.

        And you CLAIM to be such a big Christian. (assumption from your response above and because you are on this blog).

        Come on, tell me exactly what makes him 100% better?

        And, for the record, I didn’t like Clinton simply because I know that she is dishonest (though not nearly as much as Trump) and she was tied to the Wall Street financial institutions (Trump is far more so and his friends–and probably him and his family–are joined at the financial hip to Putin).

        Trump, his family, and some of his closest friends likely have committed high treason against this nation by colluding with Putin to undermine our republic–even more than the Republicans have done. And he is doing everything he can to block any investigation. If he is innocent, he should welcome the investigation and show his tax returns.

        • BuckeyePhysicist

          Ewwww! A male feminist!

          • Only cowards toss labels but offer no substance in opinion. Let’s have an honest debate. What would you like to teach me? But then, I can never know if I can trust you since you hide yourself.

            I think the reason you hide is because you are not a physicist.

  • wandakate, you are so right about the confusion, 1 Cor. tells us tha God is NOT the author of confusion so we know who is dont we?

    • BuckeyePhysicist

      I’m not confused; I worship God and I love Mary.

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Who was first consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary? Jesus, at His conception!

    • raj

      Muslim hater dirty kuffar natanyahoo’s dikk likker

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Do Protestants have Luke 1:48 in their Bibles?