Rick Warren Expresses Regret Over Making Video Supporting Biblical Marriage; Family Group Concerned

A pro-family group is calling into question recent statements made by Rick Warren, author of The Purpose-Driven Life and pastor of Saddleback Church in California, surrounding his regret over creating a video in 2008 that expressed his support for Biblical marriage.

During a recent interview with Marc Lamont Hill of the Huffington Post, Warren sought to clarify matters pertaining to his creation of a video years ago in which he stated that those who follow the Bible should support California’s Proposition 8 ballot initiative. He had been accused of lying months after releasing the video for stating during an interview on Larry King Live that “[d]uring the whole Proposition 8 thing, I … never once issued a statement, never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going.”

“People say that I campaigned for Proposition 8. The meaning of the word ‘campaign’ means two different things,” Warren told Hill. “To me, that means that you go out and you speak at rallies, you do advertisements for it and stuff like that.”

“I never made a single statement on Prop. 8 until the week before, and in my own church, some members said, ‘Where do we stand on this?'” he explained. “[So], I released a video to my members. It was posted all over like it was an advertisement.”

Hill commented that Warren is a well-known pastor, and that he should be aware that any statement he makes will likely be distributed to the public.

“It might be disingenuous to say that you have a church of 20,000 people, and you have a book that 32 million people have read and 60 million have accessed,” Hill said. “To say that ‘I was just giving a message’ –“

“You know what? You’re exactly right, Marc, and I learned a lesson from that,” Warren replied. “And I learned that anything I say now privately is now public. And I actually learned from that mistake of going, ‘Oh, wait a minute, everybody took that like I was pontificating to the whole world.'”

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Hill then asked Warren if he could do it all over again, if he would still have created the video.

“I would not have,” Warren replied. “I would not have made that statement. I wanted to talk to my own people as a duty, because as a shepherd, I’m responsible for those who put themselves under my care. I’m not responsible for everybody else. I am responsible for the people who choose to be under my care and ask me a question.”

“So, I’ve had to look at how do I communicate to my people in a way that doesn’t look like I’m pontificating to the entire world,” he added.

Following Warren’s explanation, some are expressing concern, including Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality. LaBarbera told Christian News Network that Warren’s comments made him appear as if he was ashamed to publicly stand for the Biblical definition of marriage.

Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality

“[Warren] regrets that the statement got out wider than his church. To me, that’s incredible because he should be happy that he had influence outside of his church to the whole body of Christ in California — indeed, to people all over the state voting on the issue who look to him for guidance,” he said. “And so, that troubles me that he even says now that he wouldn’t make that video. … That’s saying that he does not want to be a leader on the homosexual ‘marriage’ issue.”

LaBarbera stated that he believes many pastors are becoming inward and exclusive about their beliefs, when they should be using their influence outside of the four walls of the church.

“[Warren] used the word ‘pontificate.’ You’re not pontificating. You’re putting your voice out there as a spiritual and moral leader, and that’s what pastors need to do,” he said. “They need to get outside of this mindset that I’m only allowed to talk to my church.”

“The question is, are Christian leaders self-segregating on the moral issues because they’re under the gun of the pro-gay culture?” LaBarbera asked.

He stated that the fear of man should never be an excuse to run from the Christian responsibility of publicly standing for truth.

“The homosexual activist never agonizes and says, ‘Wow, I don’t think I should talk beyond my group of homosexual activists,'” LaBarbera explained. “They’re pontificating all the time. They’re telling us what to think. They’re telling us that we’re bigots if we are against homosexuality, or even if we’re against same-sex ‘marriage’ now, they call you a bigot or a hatemonger or a homophobe.”

“I get the fact that [Warren] is under the gun by the homosexual lobby. We all get it,” he continued. “The homosexual lobby is aggressive and loud and vocal, and they want him to shut up about homosexuality being a sin, and they want him to conform to their ideology, but he can’t.”

LaBarbera stated that just like Warren is unashamed to proclaim the need to be involved in humanitarian work, he should likewise make use of his platform to uphold God’s definition of marriage.

“I just wish he would stop backtracking and seeming embarrassed about helping to protect marriage,” he said. “He doesn’t have any qualms about preaching to everybody in the world the need to have compassion for people with AIDS, and he’s right about that. But, he also in the same way [should] be outspoken and non-defensive about helping to protect the historic definition of marriage.”

As previously reported, Warren also came under fire for other comments made during the Huffington Post interview, during which he stated that homosexual behavior “might be” a sin, and that he believes homosexuals will go to Heaven if they “accept Christ.”

Rick Warren’s office did not return calls for comment by press time.


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  • Billy Edwards

    What does it take to make it to heaven? My actions or Christ’s work?

    • KenS

      Christ’s work

    • wandakate

      BILLY EDWARDS: BOTH of them. JESUS said, “If you love me, keep my commandments”. Don’t tell me they were done away with at the cross, that is a line like no other line. GOD is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. Also what about your faith? Is that all you need, just faith and GOD’s grace. Your faith without your works is DEAD!!! How many “IF” words and “OBEY” words are in the Bible? Hundreds of them in the old and the new…so don’t be deceived.

      • QuestGirl

        WANDAKATE: Thanks for sharing. Warren uses the Living translation. That was my clue when he first came on the scene 10+ years ago.

      • Denise

        how about Ephesians 2:8+9? By GRACE are you saved thru FAITH Not of works lest anyone should boast.

        • wandakate

          DENISE: Saved by grace yes, judged by your works. We are not saved by our works, we are saved through our faith in JESUs but “AFTER” we are saved then we work and do good deeds. Why when someone mentions work does the average Christian have an issue with that? JESUS plainly said, “the harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few”…WORKERS means people to do the work…Study and learn.

    • Nancy Sternberg

      We cannot get there by works, we cannot do enough works to satisfy God. For He said that no one can come to the Father but by me. Billy, I am glad you asked that question.

    • John

      Both. For faith without works is dead. =o)

  • Jason Millican

    Rick Warren believes his video was a “private” message to 20,000 people, and not a “public” statement. This would be laughable if it weren’t so serious. Maranatha.

    • David Aspden

      Agreed – is he really that dense?

      • QuestGirl

        No, but I bet he thinks we are…

    • Michael

      Over half of the population of the United States resides in municipalities of fewer than 25,000 people. If I send a video to my children I could reasonably expect it to remain “private”. If I make a video available to the 500 members of my church family, should I really think it’s going to remain private?

      Warren is a driving force behind the “Chrislam” movement in this country. He denies it in spite of the published statements, videos, and audio evidence. As one of my teachers used to say: “Show me your friends and I’ll tell you who you are.” Look at the religious leaders Warren associates with. Match his statements and conduct in light of Scripture. His words and actions speak for him.

      • Bingo

        Yes, Warren denies being a part of this Chrislam nonsense—because he is not a part of such a thing.

        • Michael

          Any time someone tells me that YHWH and Allah are the same entity, I know they are not only being badly deceived but that they are also willing participants in spreading the deception. Your devotion to Mr. Warren is commendable if mis-guided. You might want to check out Warren speaking on camera at an ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) event, telling Muslims how much he has in common with them.

          http://beforeitsnews.com/religion/2013/11/rick-warrens-chrislam-becomes-one-of-the-fastest-growing-religions-in-america-videos-2458484.html

          I would prefer you come to The Truth, but If you wish to be deceived, that certainly is your right.

          Choose wisely.

          Oh, and enjoy Thanksgiving.

          • Bingo

            The truth is here:

            http://saddleback.com/archive/blog/pastor-ricks-news-views/2012/03/10/news-views-03-10-12

            Thanks for the bid to enjoy Thanksgiving, but my Thanksgiving was in October.

          • Michael

            Wow! What a dilemma! Which Rick Warren do I believe? The one speaking on video, or the one quoted in the ‘damage control’ press release after the video went viral? Kind of reminds me of the old TV show “What’s My Line” when at the end of the segment, the moderator would ask: Will the REAL -fill in the appropriate name – please stand up! I guess I’m left asking, will the REAL Rick Warren please stand up?

            Sorry Bingo, but the fact that man doesn’t even possess the courage to admit what he’s said when it’s on tape…
            Well, he’s no better than any of the dozens of two-faced political hacks that currently infest Washington DC. Tape surfaces of them making statements, then they issue press releases saying, “i never said that!” Seems the press release you reference is like a cat trying to cover er, cat waste. Mr. Warren has been scrambling for months now, denying what he said at the ISNA ‘love-fest’.

            If he wants to regain any credibility with Bible-believing Christians, he needs to echo Jim Baker and simply utter the words, “I was wrong”. But I understand pride makes those words stick in the throat.

            As I wrote earlier, your devotion to Mr. Warren is commendable, but it leaves me curious, the “Thanksgiving” you celebrated in October, was that by any chance Ramadan?

          • Bingo

            You choose to devote yourself to vicious-tongued people who live off of hatred and envy and tearing down the people of God. I don;t devote myself to any particular person but Jesus, and I won;t lend my name or my voice to gossip.

            As for Thanksgiving, I guess it really is true that Americans tend to think they a re the center of the universe—so much so, that they forget they have a huge, friendly neighbour to the north.

          • Michael

            Well first off, let me apologize for missing Canada’s Thanksgiving Day. Being it’s a celebration of thanks to GOD – not Allah – for a good harvest, and your harvest “up north” comes in earlier, when the weather changes I typically don’t think of you folks across the border.

            You’ve confused me, however, when you accuse me of being a “…vicious-tongued [person] who live[s] off of hatred and envy and tearing down the people of God” Far from living off hatred and envy, Christ has continued to work in me and conform me more to the image of Himself. Even my wife has commented on that. As to “hatred and envy” where to begin…

            I don’t “tear down the people of God” especially if they are teaching the Word of GOD from Scripture. However when someone who purports to teach the Word of GOD joins forces with those who worship a false god and then teaches those deities are one-in-the-same, I believe I have an obligation to confront that false teacher. Jesus Himself taught us that. And frankly I’m not clear what you’re referencing when you mention “gossip”. I provided the link to Mr. Warren addressing the ISNA and you countered by referencing a press release from Saddleback Church that as I pointed out, was issued to let Mr. Warren ‘backpedal’ from his previous statements and videos. Mr. Warren’s problem appears to be that he made statements in support of a false religion – to please men – for he which he apparently thought he would never be held accountable. When the video, and his views, became known he realized that his prestige (read “pride”) and his earning potential could be severely curtailed.

            I pointed out a video of Mr. Warren’s comments. You think of that as “gossip”. You appear to be deceived. If you think you’re devoted to Jesus in defending a man who speaks as an apostate, may I respectfully suggest you find a good dictionary and seek a Godly councilor.

            Oh, and I hope don’t offend by wishing you “Merry Christmas”.

          • Bingo

            I am not deceived abut Warren. I refuse to jump on the bandwagons of those who make it a point to sow discord in the Body of Christ. Deception is all around us, and gossip appears t be the vehicle by which people choose to promote it. People, such as bloggers sit behind a computer and pass judgment on those who actually do something for the Lord rather than be obedient to God and go out and gather in the harvest themselves. I have no time or respect for them, or for those who parrot what they say.

          • Michael

            So, let me see if I understand your position. You believe that:

            1. I’m sowing discord
            2. I’m gossiping
            3. I’m passing judgement on Warren, and
            4. I’m disobedient to GOD’s Word.

            To the first three points, may I say all I’ve done in point out WHAT WARREN HIMSELF HAS SAID. You fail to make a case for your charge of sowing discord and gossiping. ALL I HAVE DONE IS REPEATED WARREN’S WORDS. HOW IS THAT GOSSIP? According to your way of “thinking” (?), I AM at fault for pointing out what Warren said. You could just as easily make a case for how much Hitler loved Jews and accuse anyone pointing to the death camps of “gossiping”. I don’t pass judgement on anyone. Their words condemn them. Finally, may I note that you have no idea of the ministries in which I’m involved, yet you imply somehow I’m disobedient. But you become highly offended when someone repeats what your idol has said and correctly attributes his words to him.

            My guess is that anyone reading your defense of Warren knows that when you write you’re not “deceived abut(sic) Warren”, it’s obvious you are. As far as having “no time or respect for” for people who simply speak truth, you’ll do well under the rule of Anti-Christ. Let me end this thread with Proverbs:

            “Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.” Proverbs 26:5 (KJV)

            “God will judge them.” Indeed! You need to take THAT statement to heart, my friend!

          • Bingo

            This is all the spirit of gossip. That is based on deception.

            As for the Antichrist, I won;t be here to be subjected to his rule. I’ll be at the wedding of the Lamb.

          • Sandy Buchanan

            Luke 17:3 Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him,

            James 5:19-20 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

            We (brothers and sisters in Christ, are to hold one another accountable, in love.

          • Bingo

            Correct—which is what I’ve done.

  • O. J.

    Even if Rick made a video supporting Biblical marriage and then regrets it later, what then is he preaching now? Is he therefore no longer supporting Biblical marriage? If Rick does not support Biblical marriage any longer, it is therefore doubtful if actually he is preparing his flock for heaven, eternity with Christ. In that case, he need to repent and become truly born again. A genuine servant of God must be willing to stand for God and His Word even when it hurts.

    • wachabe

      Now the Bible is very clear, Jesus says “if you are ashamed about me BEFORE men I will be ashamed of you BEFORE my FATHER; MARRIAGE is the epitome of our relationship with Jesus and we dare profane it with our FEELINGS and RIGHTS? God is NOT a Democrat or a Republican, HE IS KING, and HIS WORD is FINAL, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS, JUST BECAUSE YOUR POCKETS ARE LINED UP WITH currency YOU THINK YOU CAN NEGOTIATE YOUR WAY TO HEAVEN?

      try dying and please come back tell us which currency works there….i am 100% sure it ain’t the dollar….

      • wandakate

        WACHABE: Don’t think they take bitcoin either. No 401 K plans, no stocks, no bonds, no cash, no savings, NOTHING!!! No, just a one on one with JESUS.

        • Dr. Gary Almodovar

          Amen to that

        • Gracie Love

          Has ANYONE seen a hitch on a coffin? You can’t take it with you Rick Warren….tisk, tisk, shame on you!!

          • Bingo

            What a load of nonsense. I guess anything to do with Rick Warren brings out the goofy.

          • jorgelm123

            He’s probably the end times false prophet.

          • wandakate

            NO, that’s suppose to be a Pope or this Pope according to the exerts that study all of that.

          • Just1Name

            This current pope is the False Prophet.
            He has to get the One World Religion acceptance with the Catholics. They are billions in #. So extremely important to get on board. And you see it happening. You see them embracing sin. Same sex marriage, transsexuals, etc. All about Loving ALL. You see them embracing Islam more & more, under the all loving ‘acceptance’ of everyone. B/C God is all loving.
            This also goes along with the vast movement to accept ALL, regardless. That is embraced by atheists, too. One doesn’t need to believe to love & accept others. The move is rolling on, heavily.
            This pope is behind much of it. He is paving the way for the Anti Christ. Once the Catholics go for the One World ‘acceptance’ Religion, The NWO will be a shoo in.
            Obviously, not everyone will be on board. But enough to bring it to pass.
            So much is happening right in front of us, in Prophecy now. DAILY!
            It’s without a doubt, the most exciting time EVER, to be alive!

          • wandakate

            NO, he’s just a worker for satan even if he doesn’t realize it. The read “false prophet” will come out of the HRCC and it will be the Pope.

          • wandakate

            I believe he met with the Pope and discussed the coming One World Religion of Catholics, Christians and Muslims…

          • Just1Name

            This pope has been working on a One World Religion since he’s been in the papal palace. He even said in an interview, he feels he will be the last pope.
            He IS. Even though he knows his role, he can’t stop himself from fulfilling it. Devil driven.
            Prophecy will move forward.

          • wandakate

            According to famous Biblical author Tom Horn, the Pope will be the False Prophet, but he will NOT be the antichrist. The antichrist will be separate and the false prophet will assist the antichrist at that time.

          • Just1Name

            I’m well aware of who Francis is. From studies. Not familiar with Tom Horn books. But, I agree with him.
            The AC won’t come on the world’s stage till after the Rapture. Can’t, while The Holy Spirit is still present.
            By then, the ignorant will be ripe for his picking.

          • wandakate

            Glad you are familiar with what’s going on but as for the AC not coming until after the rapture (the catching away of the saints), I do not agree as that’s NOT Biblical.
            The Bible tells us that we MUST persevere, and that we will be persecuted for our faith in JESUS.
            JESUS doesn’t come until the end of the tribulation at the 7th Trumpet (according to Rev. 11:15-19. The AC comes after the One World Religion is formed. The Pope will get that going then the AC drums in to take over.
            We are going to suffer the “wrath” of satan!!! However b/c the church is NOT appointed to the “wrath” of GOD, we will be removed when we go up to meet JESUS in the air.
            The tribulation is ALL of the Seal and Trumpet judgments of Revelation, but then at that 7th trumpet JESUS will appear and the graves will open and ALL of those dead and then ALL of the living at that time will “rise UP”, and go to be with JESUS and the Angels that will be by His side.
            THEN…the Great Tribulation comes and that IS the “WRATH OF GOD”, and will be poured out full strength upon ALL of the unrepentant sinners that were on the earth.
            We (the church) will NOT be here at that time. JESUS will be send down from heaven by GOD the FATHER to “snatch us up”, to “rapture” us, the open up the graves and take us with Him.
            It is NOT, I repeat NOT a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, it’s a Pre-Wrath Rapture of the church or the same as what some call Post-Trib. It happens AFTER the tribulation at the 7th trumpet. That is what Revelation tells us, so please read that. The graves will open, JESUS will appear in the clouds and the 1st resurrection of the saved dead will ALL be one huge cataclysmic event, that’s ALL going to happen at once. And at that time Rev. 11:15-19 tells us that the Ark of the Covenant will even be seen at that time…Those who are planning on being out of here before ALL of this happens are deceived.

          • Just1Name

            I don’t need to read it. I’ve been in Studies with several others about it. Including related world events.
            That’s the thing about God’s Word. People can read it & miss a ton in it. If you’re not Studying it, with the guidance of His Holy Spirit, things will be misinterpreted &/or, missed entirely. One cannot even understand God’s Word w/o the Holy Spirit. Which is why so many unbelievers don’t get it. And others who have ‘read’ it, didn’t get much of what they should have & needed to from it. So, it’s a book of fables. No knowledge, wisdom, understanding, enlightenment, discernment, or Revelation, is present. They will not, ‘get it’.

            You can also go through His Word many times & b/c it’s so alive & loaded with information, God will continue to show things to His Faithful, over years, that they may not have had a Revelation of, earlier.

            It was written by men who had no idea of what they were writing. They described in the terms they knew of, b/c they did realize what they were writing, wouldn’t take place for many years & centuries. They didn’t have the terminology we have today, b/c the knowledge wasn’t there. Anymore than the technology.
            God even said things would not be revealed or understood, until the end of days. Which we’re quite steeped in, now. And now, those things ARE being revealed & much better understood. Still, it needs Study. Over just reading. And His Holy Spirits enlightenment.

            Many disagree on the Rapture. That’s fine. Those who preach against it as foretold, will remain for it. Along with the unbelievers.
            We are Commanded to Watch, Be Aware & Not be Caught Asleep.
            Exactly what so many in His Church today, are Not doing. So there will be consequences for that, as there is for everything.
            Much of His Church IS Asleep today. The most critical time to be WIDE AWAKE! They don’t understand what His Word actually says. They are resigned to being here for the Tribulation. So be it for them.
            It won’t be, for His Faithful to His Word & Commands. And they will ‘get it’ after the fact. And then understand they will be the Tribulation Saints spoken of in Revelation. Along with those they will tell about Jesus & warn against taking the mark.
            The God sent/appointed 144,000, who will evangelize worldwide, will be protected from harm during the Tribulation.
            The Tribulation Saints will miss out on the Wedding Feast. It will be unfortunate, but it will have been their own doing, as it always is, with man.
            Those like yourself, who are misinterpreting His Word, therefore not doing as Commanded, will be like the women who were not prepared with enough oil for their lamps. By the time they returned, the doors were locked & they missed out on their chance. They were told. They were warned. They didn’t take it seriously. So they didn’t comply. They suffered the consequences.

            God has told us all, what to watch for & Be Aware of. We would know the Season of Jesus calling for His Faithful Church. We are well IN Season. No further Prophecy needs to happen befor the Rapture.

            Israel is percolating steadily. She is God’s Timepiece. God goes by Israel’s calendar. Not the Roman. So,one must also be aware of what’s going on with Israel & her calendar. Her feasts & holidays. Not ours. And the History of what God has done Prophetically on her Feasts & Jubilees. Israel just came out of the year 5777. Just now beginning 5778. Know God works in numbers as well. 7 is competition. 8, New Beginnings. 5 is Grace. All these are very significant numbers. God uses/works with 7 & multiples of #7, many times. Three 7’s for this past year for Israel (Trinity) is very significant. As is the ‘Grace’ number.
            Israel is also in its 1st & Only Double Jubilee. Also extremely significant. Too long to get into.
            We’ve had many Huge signs in the sky He also told us to be aware of & watch for. The Solar Eclipse 3 weeks prior to Israel’s New Year, half X’ing out the US. A solar eclipse the US had not experienced for 99 yrs. Just happens the next is in 2024, crossing the opposite direction across America. Forming a Big, X. Just 7 yrs away. Not a century, or 50, or 10…. 7. Same amount of time for the Tribulation.

            Israel’s Double Jubilee will end on Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets)
            New Year, in Sept of 5778. Or our 2018. The Roman calendar actually added on the 3 mos. that were never there for the Jews.
            So if people are not Studying & making themselves aware of the plethora of things going on, according to God’s Timepiece & then tie it into world events of all kinds, including the weather events worldwide, social, sexual & moral decay, kicking God out of everything at this point & now making an Abomination of His Holy Word….along with ALL the Celestial signs that have been SCREAMING at us the past couple years, and continue to…
            People are missing A LOT. Exactly what God WARNED His Children NOT to do.
            And NASA, although mesmerized by so much rarity in the heavens so often now, also pokes fun at what ‘some Christians’ have to say about them all. They can. We’re used to it. So be it. 😉

            Everyone will know when the Rapture takes place, that something MAJOR happened. What the left behind believers will know, is they didn’t fill their lamps in time. What the on the fence folks will know, is they ignored the truth when they were told. What the mockers will do, is say something like all those crazy Christians were zapped Up by Aliens. And TV, movies & other garbage has the ignorant masses eating so much of that BS up, they’ll actually believe it! They’ve been getting primed for it for years now. And now, it’s everywhere you look. So, Prime Time!

            The pope has been hard at work since he got in, bringing around the 1 World Religion. It will be a shoo in for the AC, who will come on the world’s stage very shortly After the Rapture to bring his brand of ‘calm’ to the CHAOS that will be worldwide. The Rapture will be the red carpet for the AC. People will flock to anyone who will bring calm. Stocks will have crashed like never before, & businesses will be in financial ruin, b/c of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of suddenly missing people not paying bills. So $ will be worthless.
            Perfect setup for His ‘mark’. Again, helping to calm the hysteria & storms, worldwide. He will be very Charismatic. The ignorant masses will swoon. He will rise quickly to lead.

            There’s really too much to put here, or anywhere. This is years of hard core study, of many led by God’s Holy Spirit.
            Bottom lines: PRE Tribulation Rapture IS quite Biblical. And I’m sorry you will miss it. Unless you want to ask Jesus to Reveal the Truth about it to you. Then, you can share it with others who have been deceived, so not aware & snoozing through.
            Like many, you confuse the Rapture with the 2nd Coming. 2 Entirely Different Events. And that’s really too bad. Confusion is not of God. But again, ask for a Revelation concerning it all.
            Jesus is not going to do a BIG U Turn in the sky! Ridiculous & Not Biblical.
            And God, is not going to beat the crap out of Jesus Bride, for the Wedding Feast.
            He doesn’t break His promises. His Word never contradicts itself.
            There’s much you are not understanding, nor seeing. The Blessed Hope refers to the Rapture. So does the thief in the night. One will be left churning in the field. The other will be gone….
            The 2nd Coming will come as a surprise to the Unbelievers. Those who will be worshipping the Anti Christ. And it can be basically calculated by counting 7 yrs, from the Rapture of God’s Faithful Church. Still, like the Rapture, no one will know the day/hour of that, either. They will know the Season they’ll be steeped in at that point, however. If anyone was paying attention. But they won’t be.

            When one does not learn from the past, they’re doomed to repeat it.

            Hope you realize what is happening. And what God’s Word Really says to us. Is not, then I’ll see you after it’s over down here. Belly full from Feasting with Jesus & my other brothers & sisters in Christ. 🙂

          • justme444

            Want church (name) do you belong too, you sure don’t belong to any Baptist church…only 1 out of ten are post trib, 9 are pre trib so it seems that 9 out of ten find the Word a lot different then what you find in it

          • wandakate

            I was raised a Baptist, however when the LORD revealed to me the TRUTH, I stopped going. I now do NOT believe in organized religion simply b/c it’s not Biblical like it’s supposed to be. Much truth is to be found if ONLY a person studies to show themselves approved (as we were told to do) in the scriptures.
            Our “church” affiliation is for “show”. GOD wanted us to assemble ourselves with like minded people who know and believe and STUDY the word of GOD, not all of this added to, taken away from, ear tickling, watered down gospel. We were commanded to search for the truth and to seek wisdom from above.
            Most church pastors aren’t telling their congregations the TRUTH. So, that’s why it’s NOT of any great importance to GOD or to me. Going to church doesn’t get us into heaven, our relationship with JESUS CHRIST is what does and our deeds and works shall follow that if we’re serious. JESUS told us that we would receive “rewards” for our WORKS…
            If 9 are them are pre-trib as you say then they are sorely DECEIVED individuals…They just don’t know the bible, they don’t study and don’t know the truth.
            Show me please where the Bible tells us that we will be “raptured”, “caught up”, “taken away” before the antichrist and before the tribulation! Can you do that?
            People confuse the “Glorious Appearing” with the “Second Coming” and they are actually TWO different occasions.
            One He only appears in clouds with Angels
            The other He comes and steps foot on the earth and will be with His saints. He will be riding a White Horse and the armies from Heaven will be following Him on White Horses.
            One He will open up the graves and call up the saved “souls” that were in them to “rise up” and follow Him.
            The other He will (along with the army of believers) battle at the Battle AT Armageddon, and destroy sin and satan at that time…

            BIG difference in the two wouldn’t you agree?

          • justme444

            You think you know everything about God’s Word, I I think you left that Baptist church because they told you to leave.

          • wandakate

            That is ridiculous…I haven’t been to the church I left in many many years. I left simply b/c of the watered down gospel. I do NOT know everything about GOD’s word (nobody does), but I do say that he’s given me enough common sense and wisdom to know right from wrong and what it tells us about His birth, His death and our holidays etc. It gives us ALOT of information that Christians in general are NOT following, in other words are disobeying. So, you don’t know what you are talking about, just speculation of course.

          • justme444

            Sorry, you are sounding like you know it all…….You come on way to strong…… there are a lot of Pre-tribers in the Lords body His church…..so why not say, who knows !..(J. Vernon Macgee) ….. (Doctor Dehaan,) (Billy Graham) all believe Pre-trib, they were my teachers. subject over……

          • wandakate

            PRE-TRIB isn’t Biblical and JESUS warned us that there would be many false prophets/teachers/preachers/ ministers in these last days.
            The BIBLE tells us plainly when JESUS will come to take possession of this evil world away from satan (the current god of this world) and it’s NOT until the 7th trumpet…Did you not read and understand Rev. 11:15-19? It’s ALL right there, under the title of the 7th Trumpet. The graves open (that is the rapture) the Ark of the Covenant will be seen…How do you get anything else? People don’t take all this literally, they just avoid and discredit it if it doesn’t fit nicely into what they are taught or believe but the TRUTH is there, and it’s that same TRUTH that JESUS told us would set us free in the spiritual sense…Christians WILL be here for the Tribulation but NOT for the Great Tribulation and there IS a difference, a BIG difference, b/c the church is NOT appointed to the “WRATH” of GOD, therefore it will NOT be going through the Great Tribulation at the end. That will start only AFTER the last Trumpet (the 7th one), and the last 7 judgments are the final “bowl” judgments and they are ALL going to be for the unrepentant sinners but NOT for GOD’s church, the saved, the body of CHRIST, or the Elect…TRUTH is TRUTH and there is nothing else.

          • justme444

            Sense you know more then Billy Graham, DeHaan and Magee and won’t even go to church….. I should listen to you? Yea,sure…(sorry)…I have met many who think they know more then the Holy Spirit….. if you are in Christ, that’s good, will be waiting for you after you go though what God doesn’t have for His paid for with His Blood children who has no sin on them due to the Cross……but I can say that many will come out of the tribulation that didn’t take the Mark and will be a special children near the Throne of God but they are not a part of the church. J.Vernon Magee died some years ago, but you can still get in touch with Richard Dehaan who carried over his fathers ministry….the Daily Bread and you can still learn from these great teachers, men of God………..I have been studying in God’s Word for almost 60 years and I most likely began before you were even born, You are like the cults, they put their mind in gear and drive a straight line true or false, I don’t know but maybe you are a cult in yourself.

          • wandakate

            FIRST of all I never said I knew more than those people. I am NOT into a cult. People do NOT have to go to an organized church to be saved, have the HOLY SPIRIT or know JESUS and trust in Him.
            I do think that many will come out of the tribulation b/c that is going to be the first 14 judgments that Revelation tells us about. Then JESUS will appear in the clouds with His host of Angels and take up the church, the dead in their graves will rise and the ones alive will follow them “UP” to meet JESUS in the air (just as the scriptures tell us). SO, yes many may be saved during all of those judgments and plagues. At the 7th trumpet the HOLY SPIRIT or whoever the restrainer is will leave the earth.
            The remaining 7 judgments will then fall onto the earth, the last ones, the Bowl judgments for which are ONLY for the unrepentant sinners.
            Just b/c a person has studied the word for along time doesn’t mean that person is correct…

          • wandakate

            The GOOFY as well as DECEIT!!! Must be just another false prophet for the last days that we were warned about.

          • wandakate

            I’ve not seen any U-Hauls hitched up to the undertaker limo. And you’re right no hitch on the coffin either.
            When it’s over, it’s over and we leave it all behind.
            Don’t worry though the angels are keeping track and JESUS will be their final judge. If their names aren’t written in the Book of Life they will be going to spend their eternity with the evil one. They will be judged by what they did or did not do (their obedience).
            We’re saved by grace yes, but, we will be judged by our works (obedience).

          • billy

            AMEN

          • golding4

            I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT… but….my bible tells me that Jesus took all my sin and shame to the Cross…..and God the Father sees no sin on me because of His Son Jesus. Christians will not be at the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST, Only the lost will be judged there…..Christian that are taken at the Rapture to be at the Marriage Feast of the Lamb will first stand for the rewards or no rewards ( AND i THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE WRITING ABOUT) for their service on earth while alive, you might feel a little ashamed if you have no rewards at this time, but you are not there to answer for sins as some believe, Jesus paid for all your sins and you are as white as snow before God, and all this saved sinner can say is; PRAISE THE LORD…..

          • wandakate

            Our good book also tells us that “FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD.” We are to be “obedient”, separate from the world. JESUS told us to be in the world, but NOT of the world. He also said that we are either “for Him or against Him.” We were to be hot or cold, not lukewarm.
            He’s not happy with lukewarm, backslidden, fallen away Christians is He? JESUS died on that cross so that whosoever would come to Him might be saved and have eternal life (forever) in the coming Kingdom of GOD on this earth. That is why He died.
            We were to incorporate our knowledge of being save with our appreciation for JESUS works and sacrifice and then in turn focus our attention on the obedience of the BIG 10 Commandments and do our “WORK”.
            JESUS told us when He comes (at His glorious appearing) that He will be judging us by our works…Revelation 22:12..”Behold I am coming quickly (meaning when He does come back) and my reward is with me, to give to EVERYONE according to his WORK”….
            The rapture, the glorious appearing of JESUS CHRIST (with His angels) and the 1st resurrection of the dead are ALL one big cataclysmic event. That’s ALL going to be happening at one time at the 7th trumpet is when He will appear and take possession of this evil world away from satan and the demons as (satan is now the god of this world). SO, that is truth, plain and simple, that’s the word.
            There if NO escape route. Nobody is going out early. JESUS (YESHUA) told us we MUST persevere, we MUST overcome the enemy, we MUST walk our talk and keep the faith.

          • golding4

            The difference between you and I is: I serve and worship the Lord because of my love for Him, He has set me free…..You, you serve and worship the Lord because of fear of losing your salvation, you have no real freedom in the Lord, you are still a sinner! sin is anything not in good faith towards the Lord and we fail often, I don’t worry because Jesus has paid for all my sin and I can thank Him and keep going towards His perfection (growing in Christ) I know for sure, and never have a doubt that I will be in Heaven and if I have any rewards received, I can put them at Jesus’s feet…. I am not in fear of loosing my salvation, I can’t because no man and that includes me can take me out of HIs hand. No reply needed, I understand your side of the fence in Christianity….Those who believe in eternal security and those who don’t……

          • wandakate

            No reply necessary sounds lop-sided to me, sounds like a one way conversation. If we weren’t suppose to reply there would be no way to do so.
            You think you understand what I said, but you don’t. We do NOT work our way into the coming Kingdom of GOD. We are saved by GOD’s grace. however, we are to be obedient and WORK after that to show Him our love, our allegiance, our loyalty. Do you think that the 10 Commandments are still valid today?
            Most Christians don’t like the words “LAWS” or “WORK” or even “OBEDIENCE”. They’re just happy making their owe rules. Being saved does NOT give us a license to go on sinning. Have you broken any of the commandments? JESUS said, “If you have broken one of them, you have broken them all.” I believe in eternal security and I also believe in the bible’s words, Our faith without our works is dead. Looks like you like to ignore the ones that don’t make you comfortable. You want it all smooth and sugar coated like these feel good pastors. Believe the rapture is gonna snatch me away and I won’t have to suffer or do anything…Too bad so many are so deceived!
            We are to confess and repent daily for any and all sins committed. Every nite I pray LORD pls forgive me of my sins and my trespasses in JESUS name…REPLYS ARE WELCOME IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!!!

          • justme444

            No……to a born again (spirit filled Christian) the ten commandments are of no avail…..all they are are laws of condemnation, they can’t save anyone, they are like a ten link chain holding you from falling, if just one link brakes, what happens, you guessed it! so if you are guilty of only one of the ten, you are guilty of them all, the same results! Read 2 Cor. chapter 3 and you will know that the TC law of Moses did not on a moments notice break off to an end, but came to an end as it was meant to, Christ is the end of the law which was a teacher to mankind until Christ came….No I am not under the ten commandments,,,,,I am under what took it’s place, something far better, that of the Spirit.(You and I are in agreement on the TC by Moses)………………………Now about sin….you have to ask God for forgiveness EVERY NIGHT????? Was not the first time you came to God, and asked forgiveness real? Did God not believe you? were you sincere? About me, I and my crew landed aboard the USS America (A3B) skywarrior, crew of four late at night, they spotted (tied down with chains the A/C) and I was the last one out because of some paper work I did in the cockpit, it was dark and I tripped over a tie down chain, landed on my knees…..I was a running from God 7th day Adventist, I was running because I wanted nothing to do with my past church…I couldn’t keep the laws of God according to that church. I had been running for 17 years and now was 34 years old, I don’t know what happen while I was on my knees (but) the only words that came out of me were.”Oh God” and tears flowed and I had remained there for a half hour and a true confession came forth from me and I begged for His forgiveness, when I got up and walked away from that A/C…I was not the same person anymore, I lost every friend I had over the following weeks, I knew they were all the wrong kind and I started going down to the church chapel and I started gaining new friends….I retired two years later and entered Simpson Bible College and one thing I learned was that God forgave me all my sins, from birth to death, and He knew them all….and now because Christ took them to the cross, God says He won’t even remember them any more……any sins after that time and there were many, I just confessed them to the Lord and said with a very meaning heart, “I am sorry Lord” and the only thing my sin could do was lose fellowship with the Holy Spirit until I was right with Him again, a growing in Christ takes a long time and fifty years later, I am still not perfect, until Christ comes and makes me perfect….My salvation does not depend on asking God forgiveness every night because He has set me free of all condemnation and I am adopted into the household of God and He will make this body sinless and perfect when He comes……If you feel that if you forget to ask God for forgiveness for your daily sins and should die in your sleep, that you are lost …..then you are weak in the Word and yes, can be decceived.

          • wandakate

            Thanks for your testimony/story that was inspiring. I am NOT by any means “weak” in the word. I have studied it since 1999 and am fairly grounded in it to this point. I do NOT believe I am saved b/c of any “works” that I have ever done. I believe that we are SAVED by GRACE and will be JUDGED by our WORKS b/c that is what JESUS told us.
            Rev. 22…Behold, I am coming quickly, and my REWARD is with Me, to give to each according to his WROKS shall be.”

            Apparently “works” was important to JESUS. He said, “I am working and my FATHER is also at work.” He told James to pen in the book of James (New Testament)…
            Faith without WORKS is dead. Can are faith alone save us? According to James (inspired by GOD) no it can’t save us standing alone. We must incorporate our FAITH with our WORKS in order to be complete. How do we argue with pure scripture?
            I am also adopted into the household of Almighty GOD and at His glorious appearing/the 1st resurrection of the saved dead/the rapture (ALL one big event) that is when I will get my new glorified spiritual body that will be sinless and perfect.
            We’re going to a “spiritual” Kingdom, not a flesh and blood Kingdom (like we have now). When we “appears” in the clouds and calls up the “dead in CHRIST” that were in their graves, that is when we will be “rising up” to go to be with the LORD. Our mortal body will turn to immortality, and our corrupt body will be incorrupt at that time and NOT before then.
            Paul told us to CONFESS daily. JESUS told us to pray for repentance, that we would be worthy to “escape” the things that are coming upon us and see the SON of Man coming in the clouds of heaven…I will continue to say my prayers and ask for my daily forgiveness b/c the Once Saved-Always Saved gospel is false and is from the pits of hell thus by satan himself. We may have been saved, but we are capable of losing our salvation if we disobey and don’t confess our sins.
            We must confess, repent and forsake them in order to enter the Kingdom of GOD on earth.
            We also must strive to be “obedient”. ONLY the ones who do GOD will are going to be in the coming Kingdom of GOD (heaven).
            JESUS said, “MANY WILL SAY TO ME ON THAT DAY, LORD, LORD, BUT ‘ONLY’ THE ONES WHO ‘DO’ THE ‘WILL’ OF THE FATHER WILL ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM.” Enough said…it’s what the WORD of GOD says, not necessarily what the preacher tells us that will hold up in the end.

          • Just1Name

            The Rapture & 2nd Coming, are 2 Entirely Different Events. God is pretty clear to point that out in His Word to us. We do not do a Big, U Turn in the sky. Aside from making zero sense, it’s not Biblical.
            He tells us to Watch, be Ready, Aware, Awake, so we are not caught off guard, asleep.
            No one knows the hour/day, but He told us we would know the Season, so we would be Aware of how close it would be.
            Everything is lined up. And keeps lining up. We are steeped ‘in Season’, as He said we would be.
            And when we see all these things happening, at the Same Time, (as they are now) to “Look UP, for your Redemption Draws Nigh”.
            Ask His Holy Spirit to show you the truth about the Rapture. Ask Him to give you a Revelation of His Word. He will, in study.
            We can’t just read it. We must be in study with it. With others & most important, with His Holy Spirit at the helm.
            His Word is Truth. So are His Promises. It does not contradict itself.
            It would, however, if the Rapture & 2nd Coming occurred at the same time.
            Those not watching & ready, will be left behind. As the women who failed to have their lamps full with their needed oil & missed out.
            I don’t intend to miss out on the Wedding Feast with my Savior.
            God is not going to be beating up Jesus Bride, before the Wedding.
            Tribulation Saints will be plentiful. It is Written. However, I’ll stay focused on His promise to take me, beforehand.
            Hope you realize His Truth about it, so you can be too.

          • Just1Name

            God’s Word says that even the elect will be deceived in the last days.
            Rick has gone off the deep end.
            Not sure you’re aware of his ‘Chrislam’ bible, that he had published by Tyndale. Totally TWISTED to bring ‘Christianity’ & Islam together. Taking Jesus OUT as the Son of God (obviously to appease Muslims). Along with many other changes, in order to unite the 2 beliefs. It’s now a religion. It is appealing to those who are in favor of a One World Religion & The New World Order. Which, in case you hadn’t noticed, we’re well on our way toward both. Appease the masses. leave Jesus OUT of it, so you can!
            All prompted by this very wayward man, NOT of God. Satan has him badly. And unless he repents & gets public about the WRONG he has done concerning Jesus & corruption of God’s Word, he won’t be entering the Pearly Gates.
            He has become an Abomination to our Holy God & Savior. He is not led by His Holy Spirit, at all.
            These are the End of End Days. The Deception is heavy. If any ‘Christian’ does not realize that, they should be asking God to help them ‘See’.

          • wandakate

            Chrislam a mixture of the HRCC, Islam and Christians…The One World Religion which has been spearheaded by none other than the Pope in Rome. Rick Warren, James Robison, Kenneth Copeland, and Joel Osteen are ALL instrumental in getting this going and bringing it to the surface for all to embrace.

          • Just1Name

            Agree. Rick was big on getting Jesus eliminated as Son of God & the Tyndale publishing, from what I know.
            I’m well aware of Francis & his doings in the papal palace.
            And of his False Prophet status.

          • justme444

            He said, “show us the Father”, and Jesus said, ” I and the Father are one……..If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.
            In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God……………And the Word took on flesh and dwelt among us……..
            Jesus is not (just) the Son of God, He is God also and He is the Light, the Light before the Sun was created even, and He will be the Light after the Sun is long gone, Praise His Name and His Holiness ……

          • Just1Name

            Amen to that!

          • justme444

            I am so blessed to have been taught by Doctor DeHaan, J. Vernon Magee and Billy Graham and the Holy Spirit and the Bible over the last fifty years……and what I learned most is; stay in Prayer and always have your mind on Godly things and when the doors to the church are open, be there. I have found some good churches and some bad ones, I attend a Southern Baptist church where the blood of Jesus as the only means of Salvation is taught.

          • wandakate

            For the most part this post is good, however I would be very cautious of what church I attended, b/c MOST unfortunately are NOT preaching the Bible. They have their own agenda. They’re preaching/teaching/talking about a watered down version that has been added to, and taken away from. Caution is certainly in order today no matter what church b/c deception is all around and satan has even infiltrated some of these churches so you can never be too cautious. If you don’t understand scripture pray for wisdom and guidance from the HOLY SPIRIT to do so, and He will help you to understand. It worked for me. It’s HARD to be deceived if you’re solidly grounded in the word which regrettably most Christians are not.

          • justme444

            WANDAKATE Anyone that knows the Word of God, can’t be deceived. The elect that is turned, are Christians who know nothing about the bible, and half of those are only (want to be ) Christians, it is true that 70 some % of this nation alone claim to be Christian, but only 3% are weekly in church,,,(1 household out of 20) a lot of those so claimed Christians don’t know any more about Christianity then the Jewish scholars know in the year 29AD.

          • Just1Name

            Technically, anyone who believes in God, can, & does, call themselves a Christian. That’s where the big numbers come from. They are not Born Again, as spoken of in God’s Word.

          • wandakate

            Exactly, it’s not saying “I am a Christian”, no, it’s walking their talk. It’s the “actions” that matter. It’s their allegiance/actions/deeds and obedience that prove that they are trying to please GOD. Showing up at a service doesn’t make anybody GOD’s servant. Our Salvation should in turn lead to our good works/deeds/actions. JAMES said that our faith without our works was DEAD! He also said that our faith ALONE can’t save us. Obedience was very important to GOD, it’s one of the key points to Christianity.

          • Just1Name

            It’s not all about walking the walk.
            It’s all about receiving His Holy Spirit. That is what spurs any child of God on, to live for Christ. To be pleasing to Him.
            To have an understanding of His Word. Knowledge, Discernment & Revelation are given to us, from His Spirit within us. Just as His Peace is, in times of great trial.
            Without His Holy Spirit, we are unable to grasp what we need to, in His Word to us. Or live for Him, as we should.
            That doesn’t mean everyone does either, or both.

          • wandakate

            Yes, the ones who really know the TRUTH of the word aren’t deceived but most unfortunately are. They have listened to “false” preachers, and gotten the mainstream wrong information. They believe whatever they hear without actually looking it up in the scriptures for themselves to see if it’s right or not, thus they are sorely deceived.
            Just b/c they show up for church and “warm” the pews doesn’t mean they know JESUS. It doesn’t mean they know their “Bible”. It also doesn’t mean that they are there for all the “right” reason, b/c many are there for something to do on a Sunday. Many are there b/c they are just used to going to church. Many are there b/c they like the preacher, or the choir (music) or perhaps they like all the choices for activities, field trips, outing to eat out after church with their groups etc.
            Many are there to do nothing more than network and pass out business cards to drum up more business. People attend churches for a number of reasons and NOT all of them are there to learn more about JESUS and what He wanted of them, what He requires of them. So I do believe that you have made a good point with your percentages.

          • justme444

            I really do agree with you about the end times…….Jesus said that no man knows the (hour) or (day) of His return, He will come like a thief in the night ……but also remember that Jesus said, when you see the Fig Tree spouting, that generation will not all parish before all is accomplished, The fig tree being the symbol of Israel, spouted almost 70 years ago, in May of 1948…and that generation is now beginning to die off….I believe His word, the Rapture would have to be within the next twenty years, due to mankind’s life span, I am one of that generation. being in Christ, and Christ in me for fifty years now, How great it is knowing our Savior and He’s not just the Son of God, He is God.

          • Just1Name

            According to all the signs God has been SCREAMING at us, as well as what’s going on in the world, society, ME, & Israel’s calendar, (God goes by Israel’s, not the Roman) this world is lucky it’s still here 10 yrs from now. And that will be including the Tribulation.
            So the Rapture is going to be well before 20 yrs.
            The generation that saw Israel become a nation IS the generation it will happen in. And they have been dying off. Not just beginning to.
            Even an unbeliever should be able to see that with the way the world is heading, it can’t possibly sustain itself the way it is, even now, for another decade.
            If they honestly believe it can, & no other Major World War will happen by then, they are living in a dream bubble.
            All the weather horror shows happening so much more rapidly worldwide & now in the US more too, are more of God’s Judgement warnings to man.
            He’s slowly removing His Holy Spirit from the world. Once He’s gone, so are His Faithful believers, & the A C will have the red carpet rollout of chaos to quell. The ignorant masses will be ripe for picking & happily fall in line.
            While those left behind who knew, & others that were told, but ignored, will have to ban together to get through it, as they become martyrs for Christ. They will help spread the Gospel to others, along with the 144,000, sent by God & protected from the evil here.

            We are currently in Rev. 3, moving toward Rev. 4. God’s Faithful Church is GONE in Rev. 4. There is No mention of it after that.
            He tells us to keep Aware, be watchful. Not to be caught asleep. Too many Christians & churches ARE Asleep! It amazes me! But God knew they would be, or He would not have WARNED about it.
            No one knows the day/hour. But He said we’d know the Season. We’re steeped in Season, NOW. Nothing more has to happen in Prophecy, for the Rapture to take place. It’s a totally separate event from the 2nd Coming. (So many confuse them)
            So He won’t be waiting 20 more years, or even 10, when He’s been accelerating everything like He has.

            This last Solar Eclipse was for America. To strike half of an X across her. Look at what’s happened in just the time that occurred.
            The next Solar Eclipse in America, will be making the other half of the X across from the other direction.
            That will occur in 2024….. 7 more years.
            Israel is in a Double Jubilee. One just ended @ Rosh Hashanah in Sept. The other ends next year. Something major has happened EACH Jubilee. And there’s never been a double.

            There’s so much more, but I need to stop. Take this for what you want to.
            Those caught unaware will be left behind. Those expecting to go thru the Tribulation, will. Speaking out against what God says & promises about it, will have its consequences. They will be the Tribulation Saints. The Faithful Church will be at the Wedding Feast, w/o them.
            The women missed out, for failure to be ready with full lamp oil. The doors were shut & locked, as they ran to fill them, after being told ahead of time to be prepared.

            God will not be beating up Jesus Bride, for the Wedding Feast.
            Despite what too many Christians think. Sad for them. But it will be what it will be. And it will have been their choice for themselves. As God always allows us to choose our fates.

            Look UP justme, For your Redemption Draws Nigh! 🙂

          • wandakate

            Would you believe if you study ALL of that you will see that it’s actually sooner than we think?
            The lifespan according to scripture would be 70 years but some will see beyond that to 80 or more.
            JESUS was suppose to return during that timespan which would be between 2018-2028. It was based on the time of the reestablishment of the birth of ISRAEL and His return.
            The day or the hour are not the issue, basically irrelevant. What we were told to do is to WATCH, and not be unaware of the signs of the times around us.
            The Fig Tree was our example. And 70-80 yrs. from May of 1948 would bring us to 2018-2028. This of course is NOT exact but it’s very close according to what was written.
            I am in that generation as well and we must be ready “spiritually” to meet JESUS simply b/c we don’t know when our time will be up. People pass on everyday so we never know. Take care.

          • wandakate

            Even the “elect” can and will be deceived, however I do believe that it will hit the hardest the Christians that really don’t know their scriptures to begin with. Just Sunday pew warmers. They may read along with the pastor a line or two but what do they really know about what is written there? The don’t take the time to read or study their Bible. It stays in their car all week or it sits on a table at home and nobody pays attention to it. It’s only good for the service pretty much. Those people are bound to be deceived by satan in the end. We’re to be knowledgeable, prepared, alert, awake, aware of the signs of the times and know what’s going on to avoid as much deceit as possible, and without knowing what the Bible says, we’re not going be able to persevere.

          • Just1Name

            Those would be the Christians ‘in name only’.
            Pew warmers are not really Born of the Spirit of God.
            However, the Rapture will be their WAKE UP call. So, like Scripture says, many will be saved during that unfortunate time.

          • wandakate

            They need to be saved NOW b/c ONLY the dead in CHRIST and the ones alive in CHRIST will be “taken up” to be with JESUS when He appears in the clouds with His host of heavenly angels. If they’re not ready by then it’s going to be sadly too late. Because only the sinners will be left behind. IF all of the Christians leave the earth at His glorious appearing then WHO please tell me is going to give them the gospel? There won’t be any Christians left and the satan will hold field day with ALL of them. They’ll be dancing and having sex in front of satanic statues that were erected all over the country. Once the 1st resurrection happens, the Glorious Appearing and the “rapture” happen then the HOLY SPIRIT will be gone from the earth. Who’s in charge of salvation at that time? I don’t foresee anybody left to reach out to any of them, they were lost and will remain so. Where does it tell us any different?

          • justme444

            Not all the “elect” will be deceived, some will….will you be? not me!…Can Satan deceive you? if he can, you are in trouble for not calling on the Lord where a Christian gets their power to say no to Satan …..The bible indicates some can be lead away and be deceived…..will you be in that group? If you are secure in Christ, no man (or devil) can take you out of His Hand….not all in Christ will be deceived, maybe some of the weak will, but not all ! ……There are weak Christians that do not stand on many truths, some even think their security in Christ depends on their goodness ….and I want you to know up front….My secure salvation was paid for in blood (on the cross) and the bible tells me that God won’t even remember my sin….sure, Christians sin…..Sin is anything not in good faith towards God, and every Christians fails almost daily…..The real law of God is wrote on your heart (soul) follow your heart…it is the same law that was wrote on Abraham’s heart and 4 hundred years later Moses had to write ten laws to show you how to keep the law of your heart because man was not paying attention to what was right or wrong any more.

          • wandakate

            I think I’m good. I pray daily (sometimes more than once), I say my blessing before my food, I confess my sins and asked Him to forgive me for them and my trespasses as well. I spend hours teaching and then on blogs trying to spread the real truth and not all this watered down added too, taken away from messages. Where is the truth today? Is it in a church anywhere? I NO longer believe in organized religion b/c they ALL seem to believe something different and it doesn’t seem to me that any of it is where it should be. Certainly NOT the gospel that JESUS told His disciples to go and preach/teach to all the world. We have along way to get to the truth of the word of GOD, b/c we’ve been taught so many lies and are so confused. ONLY JESUS can give us wisdom to know His truth b/c wisdom comes only from above and not from here on earth given to us by mortal man. Ask GOD for truth, and if you’re serious He will give measures of it to you slowly to be absorbed and incorporated into your thinking.

          • wandakate

            JESUS made it possible for us to be able to enter the coming Kingdom of GOD on earth for eternity.
            JESUS prayed to the FATHER in the garden to take away the cup (cup of death) on the cross from Him.
            He told the FATHER that it wasn’t what He wanted to do (JESUS did NOT want to die), however He told the FATHER that it would be His will (GOD’s will) and not His will (JESUS will) that would be done’
            He said, “FATHER, not my will, but thine be done”. He was in full complete obedience to the FATHER regardless of what He wanted. But the purpose of the prayer was to ask GOD the FATHER to NOT make Him suffer that death, something He clearly didn’t want to do.
            He came to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of GOD to the people, and He died so we could have “eternal life”…
            I know that the Marriage Supper of the Lamb is for the saved souls, and that the White Throne Judgment is for the lost souls.
            We don’t WORK because we need to earn our salvation, we WORK “after” we are saved to show ourselves approved, and in order to be “obedient” the GOD.
            We are SAVED by grace, BUT, we are JUDGED by our works (all of our works will have rewards).
            JESUS said, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my REWARD is with Me, to give to each according to his WORKS shall be.” Rewards and crowns in heaven for our WORKS. Rev. 22.
            James told us that FAITH without WORKS is dead!

          • justme444

            Wandakate……..As long as you understand that what takes place at the Marriage Feast of the Lamb is not a judgment of sin…..because everyone there will be pure….it is a rewards giving time …or the absents of rewards for some. due to your service for Christ, Rewards for what you did ….and no rewards for what you missed doing, all I can say; is wait and see….and in the mean time, serve the Lord, help others, tell the gospel to as many as you can and give of your personal life ……to others.

          • wandakate

            Rewards for the saved and their “good” works (obedience) and punishment and severe judgment for the unsaved and their bad deeds and works (disobedience) is what I understand.
            That’s the difference between the 2 judgments, and the difference between the 2 resurrections of the dead.

          • justme444

            The judgment for the lost will be at the Great White Throne Judgment Seat of Christ….and that happens after the 1000 years, actually 1007 years after the Rapture of the Saints.
            You seem to think they happen at the same time and the same place, what bible do you read ?

          • Just1Name

            Judgement for His Children will be at the Bema Seat Judgement.
            The Wedding Feast is Just that.
            Jesus calls for His Bride & we are caught up in the air to meet Him! 🙂
            In the twinkling of an eye. 😉
            Unfortunately, that will also begin the Tribulation for those left behind. I don’t think we’ll be feeling guilty, however. We will be too busy Feasting in unexplainable JOY with our Savior & loved ones who will be with us. And at that point all brothers & sisters in Christ will be our loved ones!
            Unimaginable! But PRAISE GOD, JESUS & AMEN!!! 🙂

      • Dr. Gary Almodovar

        Amen

        • bobbyhead1

          Amen again to sister Brenda.

      • BRENDA

        The only currency accepted by the Father is the shed blood of His son Jesus Christ. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin and you can’t get to heaven in a state of sin. Anything you acquire that is of the flesh, the saying goes, “you can’t take it with you” !

        • Jane Doe

          ummmm, so you worship a diety that is violent, and murderous. nice….no wonder the world is so FUBAR

          • Bingo

            Only Satan would inspire a person who possesses spiritual vacuum to speak blasphemous garbage like you’ve said here.

            You have no clue about God so your mind is an empty hole that Satan can use to spout off gainst Him. God is only good. You see evil and attribute it to God rather than to Satan and evil people themselves. How ignorant!

          • golding4

            I know that you know the world is already in the apostasy state and that ( few there be that find life ) I really want you to know that your post is the very best answer to scoffers I have encountered, I plan to use your very words in answer to the scoffers I meet on line, God Bless you…..

          • wandakate

            JESUS came to give us life and give it to us more abundantly. GOD doesn’t like sin, GOD hates our sins. GOD is (as you say) ONLY good and all of the time. ALL evil comes from satan and his demons that influence the evil spirits to cause us to do wrong, evil and be sinful…satan is now the god of this evil world but according to Rev. 11:15-19 JESUS will return and take possession of this world from satan. The unsaved have no concept of JESUS or His LOVE, MERCY, GRACE, WISDOM or KNOWLEDGE. Their god is only satan, they don’t know any better.
            We are called to pray for them to know JESUS b/c He is the ONLY way to eternity for them. They will die and be lost in their sins unless they confess them, repent of them and forsake them forever until they die…How will they know of Him, unless we tell them, they must hear the good news of salvation…

          • Allan Trenholme

            Matthew 22:29
            Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

          • Terri Horn

            God has told EVERYONE what the penalties are for breaking his laws. He has also told everyone how to be redeemed. It is people who REFUSE to accept the truth. When judgement day comes the veil of lies will drop from your eyes and you will realize you despised the only one who ever truly loved you and you will have to agree with the sentence handed out. You had too much pride to ask forgiveness. There is so much evidence of the existence of the Creator God outside the Bible. One even by NASA that tells how it is possible for people to live 1000 years. NASA is not a Christian publication cause it shows the ages given were possible maybe it will make some reading this and you will come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ. The majority may laugh at my delusions but if I die and not true I will never know but if the mockers die and it is true it will be too late to change your mind

          • golding4

            Sister Terri, I like your post, it is true…..but I can’t say what you said at the end of your post…..What I believe is perfectly true because God has proven Himself to me over and over again, maybe I needed more faith building then most, let me tell you a little story, one of the building blocks God put into me for faith….( I have many true stories of faith building and intend to write a book on them) here is one of the outstanding ones….I was a brand new Christian in 1967, in a military school, a class of 14 men and 1 instructor, during breaks from the study, the game was ridicule the Christian, I took this for two weeks and on the last day of the class, the last fifteen minutes of the class, the ridicule was heavy and I yelled out to the instructor who was the main tormentor of my new life that (he was going to die and that he better seek the Lord , he came over, held my head and yelled into my ear so loud it heard that he would never die three times and dismissed the class…..It was 1600 hundred (four O’clock your time) I was signing out at midnight to go on leave and take my family to CA. so drove back to the base at 11:30 MP to sign out and there was on this two lane straight road to the base about eight police cars, some from town and some from the SP and a lot of flashlights out in the field where nothing but tree stumps were ( because all the trees were cut down for Air Craft safety ) I continues on to go sign out and on my way home again, I stopped and with flashlight went out into the field also to see what’s up…..a car was over forty yards off the road rolled up almost into a ball going over all those tree stumps, they didn’t find anyone in the car and were just talking on how anyone lived thought this wreak, I was leaving but was shinning my flashlight further towards the fence that starts the runway, about another twenty or twenty five yards, I saw something and walked over to it and it was a very dirty bloody body wrapped around a fence post, I yelled over to the police and told them here he was, and I left, picked up my family and got on the road to CA. for two weeks. arriving back home and to duty, I read in the newspaper all about the accident and who it was……It was the instructor of the class that yelled in my ear, I think he angered God and also the bible tells us that we should be careful of what we say….25,000 people on the base and another 30,000 people in Oak Harbor town, over fifty thousand people and God used me to find the body, think about that!…..God has shown me many proves of Himself and I could right a book on how God has dwelt with me on the last fifty years. I have learned to listen to God, He wrote His law on all our hearts, and we know right from wrong before we choose the direction of our thoughts, and if you choose the wrong way, we know it by guilt right at that moment, that is; if you have a conscience aligned to God and His love. I enjoy my life because I see all the proves of God and His love for me.

          • wandakate

            BLESSINGS to you b/c you have been touched by the LORD, and He uses you to do His earthly work… that is truly a blessing.

          • Just1Name

            Jane, you can know what all believers know, anytime you want to.
            Just ASK Jesus yourself, to REVEAL Himself to you. B/C IF He IS, than you really want & need to know. Don’t stop at one snide request.
            Mean it. & ask Him with a contrite heart. Until He answers you. Ask Him to give you ears to hear & eyes to see, what you fail to now.
            He’s waiting. He will not push Himself on anyone. He waits for an invitation, from someone who is seeking answers & TRUTH.
            B/C you WILL face Him. One way, or another. Better here, than when you can’t change your mind.
            Be Blessed by TRUTH in your heart. 🙂

        • wandakate

          Brenda, JESUS did plainly say, “IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS”. Did you even read that. If we love Him we will strive to be obedient to the word, the commandments and focus on pleasing Him to the best of our ability.

      • jennylynn

        My same thoughts and posting before I saw yours. Rick has denied The Jesus of the Bible.

        • Bingo

          That’s a lie.

          • jorgelm123

            Can you prove that what’s being posted here is a lie?

          • Bingo

            YouTube videos are someone’s interpretation, carefully crafted, snipped and and edited. The best thing is to simply obey God and shut the gossipy mouth and still the malicious tongue.

          • ontheroadwitheric

            Bingo – To poster “jennylynn,” you wrote: “That’s a lie.”

            Maybe you oughta take your own advice: “The best thing is to simply obey God and shut the gossipy mouth and still the malicious tongue.”

          • wandakate

            Sometimes people don’t practice what they preach!

          • wandakate

            Oh my, you’re telling people to “obey” GOD…I tried that and all I got was ridicule. I just heard basically I am saved by GOD’s grace, no works needed, no obedience needed…Well that should show those of us who are awake just how deceived most people are…
            James told us plainly that our FAITH without our WORKS is just dead…

          • Just1Name

            As God’s children, we are to point out Evil, when we see it. Not turn a blind eye. We are to help one another, so those who may otherwise, don’t stumble. If we cause another to, that’s on us.
            Silence is not always golden. Especially when it comes to sin.

          • Just1Name

            Check out his ‘Chrislam’ Bible, Bingo. And the fast growing religion that is behind it.
            He has left Jesus behind.
            Which makes me wonder if he was ever really with Him.
            He’s a big time, Satan pawn.

          • wandakate

            Well the Bible does say we shall know them by their fruits…

        • wandakate

          Another JESUS, another gospel, and it’s in more churches as well. A book I have tells us it’s the same in the HRCC, the Jehovah’s Witness Kingdom Hall, as well as in the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormons)…

      • best9rfan

        Biblical marriage is a picture of our relationship with Jesus, for those who are Biblically saved. There is only 1 way to be Biblically saved, and that is asking Jesus to be your Lord and Savior and confess that he died, was buried and rose again.

        • wandakate

          Yes confess, repent and forsake our sins you might add and to believe and trust is a good one, what about “obedience”? Do you think that matters? Didn’t JESUS say, “IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS?” He wasn’t just speaking to the Jews, b/c this is the New Testament, it’s JESUS speaking (the guy with the red print in the Bible is JESUS words).
          Does the average Christian focus on keeping His commandments? Ahhhhh, food for thought.

          • Just1Name

            I understand what you’re saying. But if someone just loves Jesus, but does not do much of anything FOR Him, they still will not be rejected, if they have accepted Him as Savior.
            That would mean the thief on the cross, was lied to by Christ, as He hung on it. That would void all deathbed confessions to Jesus in sorrow & acceptance.
            There’s plenty who will be in heaven by the skin of their teeth. But they WILL be there. Even if you don’t like to think so.
            Works, AFTER the fact, are REWARDED. NOT a requirement. Jesus bloodshed was ENOUGH for the Entire World!
            When people devote themselves to Christ, they naturally WANT to do things for Him. It’s not ‘work’.
            No more than our ‘work’ assignments in Heaven will be. Even less so, as we will never tire or grow old & ache, from any of it. It will be ALL JOY!
            Hallelujah! 🙂

          • wandakate

            WORK has other words that mean the same in Greek or Hebrew…allegiance, sacrifice, deeds, duty, and obedience. We can’t WORK for our salvation, however AFTER we are saved then we do these things show our allegiance, make a sacrifice of our time, money or personality, do good worthwhile deeds and be obedient to GOD which is all a form of work. Does that make sense…
            Believe on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST and thou shall be saved…OKAY, that’s a promise right there.
            We will be according to JESUS rewarded for our good works and deeds etc. Rev. 22 tells us that He’s coming and is bringing His rewards with Him to give to each according to his WORKS. Works matter to GOD, as it’s our duty to produce fruit. Remember it says, And you shall know them by their fruits (which is in essence out deeds/works etc.)
            People who really as you say “LOVE” Him should not just sit back and do nothing but should strive to please Him in any way possible for the glorification of the Kingdom…

          • Just1Name

            We will be rewarded for what we have done for Christ.
            However, you’re equating ‘works’ with Salvation.
            And they are 2 Separate things.
            If someone never does a thing for Jesus after accepting Him, they STILL go to Heaven.
            That’s what I am saying. Just stating facts.
            There’s plenty of people who will be there, that will fall into that category. Albeit probably ashamed when they face Him, but that will be a short lived feeling. B/C no bad feelings will be in heaven.
            All one needs to do, is believe on Jesus as Risen Savior. He has done the rest.

          • wandakate

            Thanks for the reply and I am not confused here at all. I’ve been studying ALL of this since 1999. I don’t equate salvation with works. James (in the NEW TESTAMENT) tells us that our FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. What good is our faith if we have NO works to back it all up? James said, “Can you faith alone save you”. He said that it can not.
            JESUS said, “IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.”
            HE also told us this…”MANY WILL SAY TO ME ON THAT DAY, LORD, LORD, BUT ‘ONLY’ THE ONES WHO ‘DO’ THE WILL OF THE FATHER WILL BE IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD”.
            Our lack of works/deeds may not prevent us from going there but our lack of OBEDIENCE might. Remember He said we MUST do the WILL of the FATHER GOD…And we won’t be able to do the will unless we OBEY, and that will require our deeds, our allegiance, our faithfulness to carry out His earthly works. Most Christian are basically too tired or too lazy to do any good works to please the LORD, and that is a big problem…
            We MUST be saved by the grace of GOD “first” and our WORKS should follow after that.
            We don’t WORK to be saved, we WORK b/c we ARE saved!!! And personally I prefer some crowns and rewards that He said He will bring with Him but He said they would be for our WORKS!!!
            Rev. 22: BEHOLD, I AM COMING QUICKLY, AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME TO GIVE TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS “WORKS” SHALL BE…ahhh, there is that word WORKS again! The word WORKS is all over the New testament yet we don’t want to acknowledge that it has any meaning…
            Believe on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THOU SHALL BE SAVED, and the WORKS should follow IF we want to be “obedient”.

      • Goldbeard

        Since the streets of heaven are paved with gold only Gold and silver will work. So take all your gold and silver with you. They may be running short of it up there. However even if you are loaded down with the stuff, they won’t let you in if you are a queer. You have not obeyed your father’s commandment; “Go forth increase and multiply” Instead you sodomized your wife or your neighbor, you used birth control or just jerked off, to waste your seed upon the ground, You encouraged your wife or mistress to have an abortion to kill the unborn child in her womb. You’re having sex with another woman and thus defeating the whole purpose of marriage. How can God bless you when you turn your back on him and obey His rebellious son whom he had cast out of heaven. Your choice. Therefore he will cast you out also with your brother Satan, formerly called Lucifer. Yes Lucifer, an angel of light. Even Moses trembled in front of him. So beware of him and turn to our Lord Jesus Christ and repent of all evil. Then his grace will protect you. If you repent and return to Him and love him with all you heart, and keep his commandments, then you have no need to fear Satan.

        • Terri Horn

          You can be homosexual and still be a Christian. That is something a person may have to struggle with his entire time. Asking Jesus into your heart is what saves you But you will till have your sin nature and Satan will attack believers more than non believers. Non believers are already condemned BUT get Christians to act not like Jesus how many non believers will refuse to have anything to do with believers and the devil no longer has to fear that they will go to Christ. One thing I disagree with is that Satan (Lucifer) are not and have never been brothers. God states he gave his ONLY begotten son. Read the description of Lucifer in the Bible and he is NEVER referred as a brother of Jesus or son of God. Lucifer was a created angel and that is how he came to be. Father, son, holy Ghost one and the same. By calling him a brother of Jesus you are calling him God as well.

          • Alex Moon

            Jesus says “if you are ashamed about me BEFORE men I will be ashamed of you BEFORE my FATHER. Practiioners of homosexuality are not Christians. I read scripture that tells me so. Anyone who claims homosexuality is a liar. However, you can REPENT .. and “Go and sin no more”. Too many forget that corollary.

          • wandakate

            JESUS wants “nobody” to perish but to have everlasting life…
            People are called to repent. We must confess our known sins, we must repent of them and then we must forsake them at all cost or we will NOT be in the coming Kingdom of GOD. That is the truth, the word directly from the creator, like it or not!

          • wandakate

            Where on earth did they get that. First time in my life I have even known anybody to say that satan (name Lucifer) was a brother of JESUS. How ridiculous is that?
            Satan was a cherub, the angel of light in the heavenly rheum. He was and is a spiritual being. We can’t see him but that doesn’t mean he’s not right there on every corner.
            LIFE is nothing more than a spiritual battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil…I hope people wake up to the truth b/c many are very deceived.

          • Just1Name

            Don’t know where you’ve been, but they’ve been accused of being brothers for a while now, from my personal knowledge. Does not surprise me in the least, to see it in posts.

          • wandakate

            I don’t care what’s been around for a while now, that doesn’t make it true. JESUS brother was certainly NOT satan as he was only an angel at one time, but NEVER the brother of JESUS or any human, satan is a spirit being. He wasn’t in the flesh as JESUS was.

          • Just1Name

            Didn’t say it was true.
            Satan is not omnipresent, either.
            God is, however.

          • wandakate

            What will happen to the homosexual according to scripture? They are known as sexually immoral souls (people).
            Rev. 21:8…But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, SEXUALLY IMMORAL, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. OUCH!!!
            Rev.22:14-15…Blessed are those who “DO” His commandments (they ones who were obedient), that they may have the right to the tree of life, (which will be in heaven-or the coming Kingdom of GOD), and may enter through the gates into the city.
            BUT, outside the gates are…But outside are dogs and sorcerers and the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, and murderers and idolaters and whoever loves and practices a lie.
            Leviticus:18:22…Being sexually immoral (homosexual) is a SIN in GOD”s eyes. Man may accept it, but GOD will NOT! In 22…You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. He was telling this to the men of course. They were to have their relations with women but NOT with any man!!! Leviticus 20:13…If a man lies with a male as he lies with a women, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
            Seriously this must have been important to GOD. He wasn’t joking around, b/c He told people it was a sin, an abomination and they would have died for that very thing.
            Do we just disregard all of this?

          • Just1Name

            The point being made was, a homosexual can REPENT, just like EVERY OTHER SINNER, be FORGIVEN & yes…(YIKES!) BE ACCEPTED INTO HEAVEN.
            If a homosexual TURNS (repents) from his sinful lifestyle, even if he remains alone till death, he WILL be with God.
            Just like a sexual sinner of any other kind, (sex addict, prostitute) who repents & also may stay to him/herself, Will Also Be In Heaven!
            Jesus Blood covers ALL sin! Even Sexual Immortality.

          • wandakate

            Yes, confession, repentance and the forsaking of our worldly sins will get us forgiveness by a gracious, loving GOD. He wants none of us to perish, but ALL to come to repentance. I was speaking of the average sexually immoral person who didn’t confess and continued to live a life of sin.

          • Just1Name

            Didn’t read that way to me. Seemed you were condemning homosexuals, regardless.
            God will not do that.
            He has to deal with millions of sexual immoral, daily. Most of whom are not homosexual.
            All have to do the same, to be with Him.

          • golding4

            Everything you said is true, I have known a homosexual that repented of that sin and is walking with the Lord now……and sin is not what gets one to hell, and the absents of sin is not what gets one to Heaven, you are so right….Receiving Christ is what gets one to Heaven and Rejection Christ is the only thing that gets one to hell and you are so right about the ONLY begotten Son

        • wandakate

          Most laugh at keeping His commandments, b/c that’s “not” what people want to do by nature. They don’t want any laws, or restrictions or obedience b/c they tell me they’re just saved by GOD’s grace and that’s ALL that is necessary. Obedience is the main key to security, to eternity. JESUS even told us, “If you love me, keep my commandments.” We need JESUS, we MUST have Him b/c without Him there is no eternity with Him. We will be cut off fro all sources of good forever…

          • golding4

            I know that you are a brother or a sister in Christ…and this post is in no way inferring that you are the one that this post is pointed at
            but you did make others believe that it is the law that saves you. I do want you to know that the Jewish Law, the Ten Commandments have been fulfilled by Jesus, A Christian does not come under the law but under grace…..Let’s understand one thing first……Jesus died on the cross taking all my sin upon Himself, that is; if I received Christ as my Lord and Savior. He died for all my sins from birth to death, He made me whiter then snow, He set me free, I am FREE, I am FREE from the bonds of sin and why do I continue to seek to do right and choose the right way to go in my life, is it because I am afraid I will go to hell if I sin……NO…
            maybe it’s because I love Him that I serve Him, and believe Him and Honor Him and Worship Him….could that be true……Yes, Yes, Yes
            God had mercy on me when He looked into my sinful heart because He also saw that my spirit loved Him and by His grace He send me to Jesus, and Jesus saved me and said no man can remove me from His Hand, and He promised me that I would be in Heaven with Him….Did you know that God can’t brake a promise! and remain God, He can’t lie either, When He gave to me a new Spirit that now made it easy to be in commute with Him. I wish I could just touch people and they would know the truth of God, but I can’t….because God ordained and designed His salvation on FAITH alone, so that even a little child can come to Him, in fact; that’s how we all should come to HIm
            Would you please get off the sin problem, sin will not get you to hell, only rejecting Jesus Christ will and the absents of sin will not get you into Heaven, only receiving Christ will so now we know that Christ is the center of life or death in internity, I beg of you, don’t rely on your self to keep you , you are either saved 100% or you are still lost and going to hell.

          • wandakate

            GOD gave the 10 Commandments to Moses on two tablets of stone, written with the finger of GOD. Exodus 31:18.
            GOD told Moses “Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot him out of my book.” Exodus 32:33.
            The commandments were a lasting covenant from GOD to Moses and ALL people.
            When did JESUS do away with the 10 commandments? Where in scripture were we told to disregard them after JESUS death? Are they now irrelevant? Are they obsolete? Are you telling me they are no longer valid?
            They were the words that the LORD GOD had commanded Exodus 35:1.
            What “laws” were done away with at the cross? There were over 600 laws back then, didn’t any of them stand forever?
            We were told not to ADD to, or take AWAY from the words. Deuteronomy 4:2.
            The 10 Commandments were GOD’s covenant, not Moses laws or Jewish laws. Deuteronomy 4:13. They were the MORAL LAWS of “GOD”, the “Royal Laws” of GOD, nobody else.
            How long were these Commandments supposed to last people? Deuteronomy 7:9…He (GOD) would keep His covenant and mercy for a thousand (1,000) generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments. It hasn’t been 1,000 generations yet.
            There were Moral Laws, Dietary Laws, Ceremonial Laws, Sacrificial Laws, Common Laws etc.
            ALL of the man made laws were done away with at the cross, how true. We are NOT under any of them, “except” for the MORAL LAWS OF GOD (not Moses or the Jews).
            They were specifically our 10 Commandments. They were for all people.
            Are any of them any good today? Can we murder, can we commit adultery, can we worship other gods, can we covet? If only one of them is valid, they are all valid, b/c he simply told us to NOT add to them or take away from them.
            PLEASE realize that you are a mainstream Christian with teachings from mainstream preachers/pastors/ministers who have told you all these things and you have believed them all, unfortunately I will never convince you , but you have been brainwashed, you are deceived to the TRUTH of the word of GOD, as I used to be until He showed me the truth.
            I don’t expect to get any answers to these questions b/c you probably won’t bother to read them and give me any sensible answers b/c you only know what you know. You can only go on and on and on about what you’ve been taught, but remember JESUS told His disciples right up front, “DO NOT BE DECEIVED.” Matthew 24:4…TAKE HEED THAT NO MAN DECEIVE YOU.
            I have spend since 1999 studying the scriptures, looking in Greek, Hebrew, Latin and Arabic literature and realize that what was written had to be translated and much has been left out and mis-translated (lost) and turned into what people now believe.
            JESUS “never” took away our 10 Commandments. If He did it would surely have showed up in scripture…Where is it? He gave us 2 new laws and told us to hang “ALL” the rest of them on it, NOT to do away with them…There is much confusion in today’s churches. We need to get the TRUTH and the FACTS or else we can’t give an accurate account of it.

          • golding4

            First of all, I must say; I love the Lord God with all my heart, soul and give Him all my worship…..and….I love my fellow man as myself, I believe that covers the old ten commandments…..I can see that you are a old testament, Jewish type person in your worship……you better believe what I am going to say to you now……Under the law, if you have ever broke even one of them, you are guilty of them all and will be judged by the law, Don’t you understand that something better has replaced the old mosaic law, I’ll give you one of many reference to the end of the old agreement and replaced with the new ……Read 2 Corinthians chapter three, verses, oh start at #6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 13. Just read all of chapter 3 real slow until the veil is removed from your face…..you have been studying the Word sense 1999, wow, that’s 17 years, sorry, I am not belittling you, I am proud for you to be in the Word, I have been there in the word for fifty years plus, a Christian college in my past and preaching the word…….With all the thoughts that you have put down in writing your posts, I am wondering if you believe in eternal salvation, Do you feel you can loose your salvation, if so, you have been taught by those in the church of Christ and a few others, sorry son, I am a Southern Baptist and I preach the blood of Christ and you must be born again….if you don’t see in 2 Cor…chapter 3 the passing away of the old system and the new covenant taking it’s place, then you have the veil over your face as they are telling you about in this chapter……Praise God, I am not to be judged by the Law, because everyone that is judged by the law will parish by the law…because no man has ever kept them except Jesus, and if you are guilty of just one of them, it is like a chain of ten links and you are held by them, if just one link brakes, you fall brother in to hell if you broke any of them and want to be judged by them, Don’t you understand that Jesus fulfilled the law….Christians will not be judged under the law, only the lost will! in fact, there is no sin that a REAL Christian can be judged under because Jesus took them all on the cross, the bible says if one is in Christ, God the Father sees no sin on them, all He sees is Jesus paid the price for their redemption. Now…not being under the Law, and with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. Do you not know that God’s Word calls the ten commandments the laws of condemnation…..mainly because, all they can do is condemn you, they can’t safe anyone, but the New covenant of the Spirit gives life. and remember this, what was passing away was glorious, but what remains is much more glorious…..verse 13 seems to fit you well, unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. and verse 14. But their minds were blinded For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the old testament. because the veil is taken away only in Christ read 15 and 16…….I will repeat myself……A real Christian, born again, in the Hands of Jesus does not go out to sin at will because He or she loves the Lord with all their being and they want to please the Lord and honor Him by doing their very best to keep the two important aspects of life toward God and others….and you call me brainwashed…..My teachers were Doctor Dehaan, and J Vernon McGee, and many hours in school and fifty years of in His Word, you need to reconsider what you have been taught, you can not keep the ten commandments and if that is your gold, you will be judged by them so make sure you are as clean as Jesus under the law.

          • wandakate

            I appreciate your time writing all of this…Unfortunately there is NO point in continuing with this b/c you did NOT answer the questions for me as I had asked you to do. My bible even tells us that we will worship on the Sabbath in the new heaven and the new earth. I also read where Yes we can lose our salvation. I DO NOT believe in Once Saved, Always Saved. The Bible tells us that Christians can become “lukewarm”, and JESUS said “IF you are lukewarm I will spew you out of my mouth.” He would have nothing to do with us in that condition. Hot or cold would be better.
            Christians fall away from the faith, and can become backslidden. A Christian can lose their salvation by disobedience to GOD…Have you not read those passages that tell us these things?
            By the way I was raised a southern Baptist in Alabama (can’t get much more southern than that). I now do NOT believe in organized religion at all. Too many flaws there, to much watered down gospel. Got disgusted with all these greedy preachers that didn’t live what they preach. Don’t watch any of them of television. No more health and wealth gospel, no more name it and claim it gospel, no more hyper grace gospel, no more New Testament only gospel, no more prosperity gospel, no more feel good gospel for me.
            I am not one of those old testament believers (like the Jews) as you said. For I read and know the new testament. The bible is one big book, not two separate books.
            And to answer you question…I do believe in eternal life. I believe in the coming Kingdom of GOD as well as Hell (total separation from GOD forever with torment).
            I was assume that you also believe in the pre-tribulation rapture and that you’re going to be snatched away before any of the poop hits the fan so that no Christians will have to suffer the tribulation…
            Is the JESUS of the New Testament, the GOD of the Old Testament?
            I am finished until you go back and answer the questions that I presented to you, which would be good in all fairness.

          • golding4

            You are right about not continuing because the veil of 2 COR. chapter 3 still hangs over your face, I will answer just one of your questions at the end of my post…..I now know that you are trying to earn your salvation in your goodness, but I want you to know, that you cannot be good enough to merit God’s salvation, because of God’s mercy, you have to except His salvation as a free gift and He only offers this free gift if you are in Christ and Christ in you. I am thinking that you are swayed by the 7th day Adventist church, a cult that I was born into, yes I was born during Morning services in a Adventist church and it took me 17 years before I ran from that cult. and another 17 years before God saved my soul. There is a grossly big difference between you and I….Jesus paid the price for all my sin from birth to death on the cross and the only thing I had to do was open the old rusty door of my heart and invite Him (The Lord) in and He said He would sup with me and I Him and He said no man, (I am a man also) can take you out of my hand, sure, I am free to sin (but have no desire to do that because of my love for Him, but you……you and all like you think that we who are free can go out and sin, and you ask that of us…..Our given freedom (is from sin) not to sin! You tell me you know what the New Testament is all about and I doubt you even know the meaning of (Testament) Let me tell you,….It means AGREEMENT so we have the Old agreement and we have the New agreement and if you can remove the veil in 2 COR chapter 3 where it says that the Old agreement is being replaced by the New agreement.
            You not believing in eternal security is nothing but saying, I don’t trust you God because I may still have sin on me….and you do, those in Christ are not sinless, but their sin is paid for by Christ and we are made more perfect day by day until that glorious day, you need to know what sin is, because you do it daily…..Sin is anything not in good faith towards God, and you can sin and not even know it. Christians are sinners saved by grace but people like you who don’t truly know what sin is yell, and tell others that you alone understand the Scriptures and your kind have to walk a tight line to keep yourselves saved and all I had to do was (Trust my Jesus) because when God looked into my soul and the bible tells us that God looks deep into every soul…He saw that I loved Him when I didn’t even know it…so, He send me to Jesus, and that’s in the Word also. and Jesus removed all my sin and I confessed to Him and asked for His salvation, Love, Leadership, and companionship. Yes, I am Free, free to love others, even free to love myself and above all, free to worship and serve my Lord Jesus Christ when before that freedom , I did none of that. I did not answer your questions because they were only in context of your view, and your view is dim due to a veil you are denying you have because you can’t see the truth of a new agreement taking the place of the old agreement 2 COR chapter 3 and you can’t understand that even. ……Now the question I will answer, because you put a question mark after it.
            You ask is the JESUS of the New Agreement (Testament), the God of the Old Agreement (Testament) ? ……….My answer is YES, YES, YES
            John 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING, WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD…….John 1:14 AND THE WORD TOOK ON FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US……The meaning of Jesus is Savior and He came from Heaven to live among mankind for 33 years and then returned to Heaven where again he took on Himself, the King of all Kings, Lord of all Lords and He’s coming again in all His power and Glory, first to take His flock to the Marriage feast of the Lamb and seven years later, His actual return to earth to rule……..Again I will stress the point that depending on your goodness, and that is what you are doing only makes for sadness in your live because you don’t know the peace that pass’ all understanding, you don’t know the Joy that’s above measure, and you don’t trust Jesus for your salvation, you have to trust yourselves and that doesn’t make for anything but a sour face. My Sunday school glass prayed for you today, to remove the veil you don’t know you have. I will end this by saying ….if you had known Christ in a personal way when you were in the Southern Baptist Church, you would still be a baptist. anyone who knows the WORD can not be entrapped by a cult.

          • wandakate

            Hi I must comment here if I may.
            First of all I am NOT a man but a real woman. Surprise!!! I was married to my husband for a long time and he passed away (unsaved) in 2011. I have 2 grown daughters and 5 grandchildren. And all along you thought I was a man, but why amazes me because the name Wandakate isn’t or wouldn’t be a man’s name…Now guess what else?
            I am NOT a 7th day Adventist. They do go I believe to meet on Saturdays, but isn’t Saturday still the 7th day? On my calendar that I now have and the ones I’ve always had Saturday was always the 7th day and Sunday was just the 1st day of the new week. GOD said He rested on the 7th day, not the 1st day…
            Back in 2000 I was wondering /questioning lots of things and decided to research the 7th day, and what was called the Sabbath. Guess who showed up?, the Emperor Constantine. I found out that Sunday was the day of the “sun”. It was all about “pagan” worship. He decided to make Sunday the official day of worship and by decree of death the people had to comply. They eventually gave up Saturday for Sunday. It’s pagan/heathen worship b/c man decided to change the day. Sunday worship I discovered is man-made, it has pagan origins and it’s traditional. I suppose this doesn’t mean anything to you though.
            I discovered more but that is enough for this reply.
            I was as I told you raised a Baptist, but today’s churches are not what they used to be. I DO NOT as of today identify with any particular organized religion and certainly not any cult as you accused me of. You took the liberty to bash me in your reply several times and basically were judging me for what is only your opinion but as you can see (if you believe me) you were mistaken both times…
            I do believe in eternity with JESUS (a English word) grace, salvation and mercy. You are avoiding some scripture that tells us certain things like how we are NOT always saved. That’s one reason I”m not in churches b/c they believe what they want to believe taking things out of context and basically avoid what’s there that they don’t like.
            For example OSAS…Ezekiel 18:20-24… Talks about the soul who sins shall die. If the wicked man turns from ALL his sins and “obeys” keeps all my statues, he will live.
            None of the sins that this person committed will be remembered. 24. BUT, when the righteous man (the saved person) turns away (for whatever reason) from his righteousness and sins, and does what the wicked person does, then what will happen?
            ALL of the righteousness that he did shall not be remembered; b/c of his unfaithfulness for which he is then guilty and the sin which he has committed, so b/c of them he shall die (the spiritual death). THIS passage tells me that when a Christian backslides, falls away from the faith, or becomes “lukewarm” he’s in trouble and he WILL lose his salvation.
            You can’t twist the scriptures, as it says what it says. Don’t add, don’t take away, tell it just as it is (the whole truth).
            Another one Ezekiel 33:18-19… When the righteous (the saved soul) turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity (sin), he shall die b/c of it. BUT, when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and he does what is lawful and right, and is obedient he shall then live b/c of it.
            Appreciate the prayers. I believe we are saved by GOD’s mercy and grace. I believe JESUS died for our sins so that we could be in the Kingdom of GOD (on earth). I am saved, have been baptized twice (down in the water-not sprinkled). I pray all the time to be worthy to stand before JESUS. I pray nightly for JESUS to forgive me for my sins and my trespasses. I pray before I eat a meal, I say my bedtime prayer. I give to others and volunteer my time and services. I help my neighbors or total strangers when the opportunity arises. I love the GOD of heaven and earth more than anything or anybody and have NO other god’s before him. I pray the LORD will have mercy on me. I told you in another reply that we CANNOT earn our way into the Kingdom of GOD like some think (Catholics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons)…We are expected to work (the harvest is plentiful, but the WORKERS are few) is an example of that. We WORK “after” we are saved, not in order to be saved. I hope you understand that this time, b/c last time you missed it and accused me of thinking that I needed to work my way there…WRONG again!!! The end…

          • Just1Name

            Anyone TRULY SAVED, will NEVER lose their Salvation. Those who become lukewarm or backslide, were Never Truly Saved, to begin with. It IS Written, that NOTHING will take the Salvation of one of God’s children away from Him.
            God has promised to keep us, assuring us that NOTHING can separate us from His love (Rom. 8:31–39) and that no one can pluck us out of His hand (John 10:28–29). He is the author and the finisher of our faith (Heb. 12:2), and He who began a good work in us will see it through to completion (Phil. 1:6).
            Someone like Rick Warren, I question as to if he was ever truly saved. B/C One the Holy Spirit indwells in & fills you, I don’t think it would be possible to do what he has now done. And still not repented of any of it. He has a whole new religion going, that is truly an Abomination to God & Jesus.
            I also don’t understand how some people can still invite him to talk to them, or any audience, if they are true Christians. They should be inviting him to a hard core, intervention, with true believers, to point out his wayward soul. And if he does not repent openly & publicly, then they should wash their hands of him. Just keep him in prayer.

    • Bingo

      Read what he said in context. People love to jump to conclusions about him. They end up eating their hat in the end.

      • Wayne_Roze

        Warren is a pastor and as such his principal concern is for the people with whom he has been given responsibility. According to his statement he was responding to a felt need within his congregation regarding the Church’s position on proposition 8.

        Admittedly, it is a bit naive to think that someone of his stature could think that his words would be not become public. Also, at the same time, you have to recognize that LaBarbera’s comments are not void of an agenda regarding the homosexual community. His approach is more akin to bending people’s attitudes towards his viewpoint whereas Warren was stating the the Church’s position.

        Your choices are to either take him at his word or call him a liar. I choose to take him at his word.

        • Bingo

          And I do take Warren at his word. He is a man of integrity.

      • 2ruthmatters

        Warren has been twisting Scripture to fit his own agenda from day 1 with his best seller The Purpose Driven Lie. He’s been a very clever deceiver, I’ll give him that, but once he begins back peddling and admits that he believes different things for different audiences (paraphrased) people will eventually catch on. Looks like it may be time to pay the piper for the power trip he’s been awarded. The deceiver has been deceived.

        • Bingo

          Horsefeathers. You need a reality check.

          • 2ruthmatters

            R. Warren is a nice guy but he is NOT a spokesperson for God or even remotely a shepherd that feeds God’s flock with the truth of God’s word. His popularity is with the world and his credibility is being questioned for trying to straddle the fence too long. I’m sorry that you are more devoted to a man than you are to the Word of God. Otherwise you would have been discerning enough to capture his scripture twisting from the very beginning of his “ministry”. His true colors are beginning to show as they always do with false teachers. I do not condemn him, I truly pray for this man and all he’s been through. I believe he’s been deceived in order to deceive. Like I said, I think he’s a really nice guy but he’s more afraid of men than God. Most people are.
            Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

          • Bingo

            Such lies weak people believe, and based only one hearsay. Mind your own business and allow Warren to shepherd the flock that God has given him.

            I am not devoted to any man, but Jesus Christ, but I despise people who gossip and spread vicious rumours and lies about fellow saints, rather than support, bless and encourage them. this kind of tearing down is based in envy and pride, and god will judge it.

          • 2ruthmatters

            Truth matters and is based solely on research and study. It is not based on lies, gossip, hearsay, or vicious rumors. These accusations find their basis in the books and from the mouth of Rick Warren, himself. He is a teacher that will use many translations and paraphrased versions of Scripture in order to validate his many agenda’s. It is my business and the business of every believer to know God’s word well enough to be able to discern these types of men and women and I will NOT encourage such use of Scripture. God will severely judge those who trifle with His word, not those who expose them, sir.

          • Bingo

            Rick Warren’s works are not worthy of your scorn. When you know the word well, you understand it when people like Rick speak and use paraphrases. After all, when we speak about God’s word we paraphrase ourselves. Don’t be so pharisaical.

          • 2ruthmatters

            Using different translations isn’t a problem, it’s using them for the “purpose” of making God’s word say what it doesn’t say for a personal agenda. He leads leads people astray and that should be scorned by every student of God’s word! Maybe this will explain it better: http://www.gotquestions.org/exegesis-eisegesis.html

          • Bingo

            Empty accusations.

          • 2ruthmatters

            Did you even read the article? You aren’t even willing to examine anything so just stay where you are. In your deception. 2 Timothy 4:3-4. I tried. I’m done. I will pray. Grace to you, Bingo.

          • Bingo

            I suspect you haven’t even read the article, and like so many others, leave the subject and take the discussion on a wild tangent—all out of hatred of a man of God. Envy and pride is the source of such nonsense.

            Thank you. God is gracious to me, and I pray you will experience His grace also.

          • le

            Bingo… among many things I can go to, I’ll go to this:

            “[Warren] regrets that the statement got out wider than his church. To me, that’s incredible because he should be happy that he had influence outside of his church to the whole body of Christ in California — indeed, to people all over the state voting on the issue who look to him for guidance,” he said. “And so, that troubles me that he even says now that he wouldn’t make that video. … That’s saying that he does not want to be a leader on the homosexual ‘marriage’ issue.”

            So, he regrets that the message of we shouldn’t have homosexual marriage in America got further than ‘his’ church?

            Hummmmm…. no. Surely, that doesn’t sound correct to me. Maybe he should only be telling the world, that Jesus can cure those things if they’re willing to accept Him as Savior.

            That seems more biblical to me.

          • Bingo

            He as a pastor has a right to say something to his congregation without the world getting it to twist it…which they tend to do. His first and foremost responsibility is to the sheep in his care—not the world at large. I get it.

          • le

            Not denying he has a right to say it to his congregation. However, that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying…. you guys hit me, so I’m not going to cause a commotion even though God’s Word says He is. He is a pastor and has a responsibility to take the Word to the masses if presented. He wants to shirk it on this issue because it isn’t easy and fluffy.

            It’s not a popularity contest. It’s God’s Word going forth. He’s responsible for it going forth. Going forth is going OUTSIDE the Church of Jesus Christ Savior and Lord. Not his (Warrens) church, but God’s Church.

          • Bingo

            He is the pastor to a particular congregation, and his first role is to lead them. You don’t get it, but that’s OK—not many people do, it seems. They’d rather sit and point a bent finger at him instead of walking uprightly themselves. All hypocrisy.

          • le

            You know nothing about others, yet you call people hypocrites.

            He made the statement. He’s the pastor. He shied away because someone made it uncomfortable. I completely get it.

            Apparently, you don’t get what the bible says about reaching others about their sin. His responsibility is to GO out unto the world. The ‘world’ ISN’T ‘his’ congregation. They’re already sitting in the pews. The WORLD is OUTSIDE your congregation. SO, when he gets the opportunity to speak say like John McArthur does on tv, McArthur states and HOLDS to his position. Warren, states and then backpeddles.

            I believe you don’t get it.

          • Bingo

            Hypocrisy is found n those who criticize those whom God is using to proclaim His salvation and who have established ministries by His power, yet they have no reference in their own lives on that score. Unless you have the same level of spiritual calling and fruit, then you cannot denigrate someone else who has great fruit.

            You have no clue about the life of a pastor and the nature of his calling. His comments were perfectly understandable. His first allegiance is to the sheep God has given him—then the world beyond. Scriptures also point out that our first care should be the Body of Christ, then the world beyond.

            I get it, because I understand the calling of pastor.

          • DGCJ

            You revealed your ignorance when you said that sexual orientation wasn’t the same thing as race and gender. Clearly it is. No human can choose to be gay or straight. It is predetermined in the womb. Incidentally, the religious nuts over at Charisma News saw that I was winning the argument, so they blocked me. That’s what you conservatives do. You don’t believe in free speech unless someone agrees with you. Are we born gay? Yes, read on:

            http://www.peterowen.com/pages/Rights/small/born%20gay%20sm.pdf

          • Bingo

            It isn’t the same as race or gender. Go peddle your iniquity and lies somewhere else.

            The wonderful people at Charisma News know what they are doing…and it isn’t to allow the homosexual agenda to harass those who are right-thinking people. You won’t be able to do that here, either.

          • DGCJ

            Right thinking people? You mean people who are of the delusion that people decide to be gay? That’s idiotic and illogical, besides being scientifically false

          • Bingo

            I mean people who are free from lives of sin and degradation by the wonderful cleansing power of Jesus Christ.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made and subjective. No such thing exists

          • DGCJ

            Yep: same as race and gender. Our sexual orientation is like our handedness. Predetermined before birth and genetically influenced

          • DGCJ

            Harassment would be voting to deny me the right to marry. Educating rightwing religious nuts on the Internet is not harassment

          • DGCJ

            How come the ex-gays admit they were born homosexual and it’s not changeable?

          • Bingo

            That’s a lie. Those who have been completely set free from homosexuality by Jesus Christ do not claim any such thing.

          • DGCJ

            There is nothing to be free of. You’re forgetting that more people go from the heterosexual lifestyle to homosexuality. Oops!

          • Bingo

            All homosexuals have gone from heterosexuality, to homosexuality.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I was born homosexual and never switched anything. Proud of it.

          • Bingo

            That’s a lie you choose to believe. Proud of it? How dumb.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, I view homosexuality as a biological gift. If anything, it means I’m not like you. That makes me happy. Most of the greatest geniuses who’ve ever lived were homosexual men:
            Tchaikovsky, Socrates, Alexander the Great, Michaelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc.

          • Bingo

            LOL! Genius? Maybe my husband who has had a stroke can gain a few IQ points by becoming homosexual?

          • DGCJ

            Wise move of your husband to check out. I bet you’re a handful to be around.

          • Bingo

            I’m a joy. However, he doesn’t think that seeing the backside of some man is very interesting. He’d rather remain clean.

          • DGCJ

            No, you’re not a joy. You’re a hateful person.

          • yes2freespeach

            Gaeton DuGas was gay too…..he wasn’t exactly a “gift” to the world or in particular to the homosexual community.

          • DGCJ

            Another rightwing myth destroyed:

            http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/people/patientzero.aspx

            Patient Zero’ – Gaëtan Dugas (1953-84)

            Patient Zero was a concept born out of the early years of the AIDS epidemic
            in America. In 1987 pioneering gay journalist Randy Shilts explored this period
            in his book And the Band Played On. One of his most controversial claims
            was that he had identified ‘Patient Zero’ – the original carrier of the HIV
            virus who had therefore brought AIDS into the country. He was named as Gaëtan
            Dugas, a Canadian who had died in 1984.

            The idea of a single identifiable patient gave a personal identity to the
            disease. In this case, the description of the original carrier as a promiscuous
            gay flight attendant confirmed and directed mainstream media and public
            attitudes to the new disease. AIDS had a face. Here was a latter-day Typhoid
            Mary.

            In fact Dugas was wrongly identified as an initial source of infection. In
            reality he had been a patient in an epidemiological study in which he was
            identified by the letter ‘O’. At some point ‘O’ became ‘zero’. Further studies
            clearly demonstrated that he could not be singled out as having brought AIDS to
            the gay bath houses of San Francisco and Los Angeles, from where it was believed
            to have spread. However, the idea of Patient Zero has lived on. The concept is
            now routinely used not only to describe index cases in new epidemics, but in the
            creation of characters used to encapsulate the social meanings attached to
            different diseases.

          • DGCJ

            How many times have you been forced to change your screen name? I bet dozens. Have you noticed that I have used the same one for years now? And, all your attempts to silence my free speech rights have been met with a brick wall. You conservatives always try to shut up your enemies, you also try to suppress the vote because you don’t want people to have a say in our politics. The only way you can win elections is to ensure that the voters don’t turn out. That’s what happened in the last election. It was so boring that I almost didn’t even vote, because there was nothing on the ballot of any interest whatsoever. You know that the vast majority of Americans are liberal and Democrat, and your party is yearly losing its old people. The only people who vote GOP these days are white heterosexual males over the age of 60.
            Take your dentures out once in a while, I can smell it from here.

          • DGCJ

            Alan Chambers was the president of The largest ex-gay group, which is now defunct. He admitted on national TV that homosexuality isn’t a choice and that you can’t change it. He’s been married to a woman for three decades and admitted he’s still homosexual innately

          • Bingo

            Hilarious. What God says trumps what man says.

          • DGCJ

            God is a creation of men. Ask your god the next time you talk to him why he made so many humans homosexual. Why are there homosexuals born every year in every country and every culture?

          • Bingo

            God has NEVER made anyone homosexual. That is incongruent with his character. he would NEVER create anyone in such a way as they would find it impossible to obey Him. He isn’t cruel. Homosexuals are demonically bound. It’s a work of Satan and sin.

          • DGCJ

            God has never made anyone, so that part of your comment was accurate. The rest, not so much.

          • Bingo

            God has made you, although you have decided for yourself who your god is.

          • DGCJ

            Human beings made your god. No such being exists.

          • DGCJ

            Funny how people like you accuse me of hating god. How can I hate something which doesn’t exist? That’s irrational.

          • DGCJ

            The Catholics disagree with you. They say humans are born homosexual. They also think that all humans are born as sinners. I guess you disagree with that, as well?

          • Bingo

            I don’t care about what another religion says. I care what God says.

          • DGCJ

            The fact that other religions exist should be your first clue that your religion is man-made. My extensive travels around the globe have enlightened me as no classroom experience ever could. For example, not only does Hindu culture recognize the scientific truth of evolution, they say that without this our world would not exist. They believe that our planet is millions of years old. Guess what? They’re right.

          • bob cratchette

            the catholics are also the ones confessing their sins to a priest who has no spiritual authority to forgive sin and they are the ones praying to dead saints who can do nothing for them. i do agree that every one is born a sinner otherwise their would have been no need for Jesus to be crucified. it is your choice to accept him or reject him but one day you will be sorely disappointed in your misinformed decision.

          • DGCJ

            I’m quite happy in my decision to reject all religion. And I have no regrets and won’t in the future. You’re religion is based on hate, condemnation and judgment. No thanks!

          • bob cratchette

            sorry to disappoint you but i do not hate you or anyone else that chooses the lifestyle you have chosen but i do not like having it forced on me to accept something like ss marriage on me as normal when it is not. you and others of your ilk like to use words lie condemnation hate and judgement in your reply’s whenever someone quotes the bible but all they are doing is repeating what GOD said on the matter and if you have a problem take that up with GOD. you say you do not believe in GOD and you want these rights you think you are being denied but yet you want to restrict the right of others that do not believe the same as you in that you do not want them to be able to speak out against the lifestyle you choose without the fear of being prosecuted for hate speech. the constitution clearly says the govt cannot make any laws restricting the free exercise of religion no matter whether you me or anyone else likes and you or no one else has the right to say well it is okay as long as it stays inside the church building . well sorry to break it to you my first amendment rights do not end as i exit the front door of the church.

          • DGCJ

            Sorry to disappoint you, but I do not give a rat’s behind what you think of me, or my marriage. In a republic, you don’t get the right to vote on the civil rights of others. End of discussion. Your ridiculous state bans on gay marriage were our direct path to legalizing marriage equality nationwide. You people aren’t very bright. We played you for fools the way you play a fine violin.

          • Bingo

            Oh, you care what people think of you alright, or you wouldn’t be constantly harping on your many so-called accomplishments, your intelligence, your career, your education, and your talent. It’s clear you have self-esteem issues, most likely that stem from your childhood, when at 14 (wasn’t it?) you made your rebellion known to your parents.

            In Christ you can be changed into a whole person, and those esteem issues can go bye-bye.

          • DGCJ

            I come here to show people how stupid people like you are, dumb dumb.
            I have no rebellion.
            Christ is dead. He won’t help you, nor anyone else.

          • Bingo

            No, you ONLY come here to harass and demean and disrupt.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I come to educate. You’ve learned a lot from me. Now you know why being homosexual is a biological gift:

            HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES HAPPIER

            As far as happiness is concerned,
            homosexual couples seem to be happier than heterosexual couples. A study made by
            researchers at the University of Washington, San Diego State University and the
            University of Vermont, and published in “Developmental Psychology”, focused on
            how sexual orientation and legal status impacted relationship quality.

            The study was made on 65 male and 138 female homosexual couples with
            civil union, 23 male and 61 female homosexual couples with no civil union and 55
            heterosexual married couples, over a three-year follow-up. One spouse of each
            heterosexual couple was a sibling to a partner of a civil union couple, and the
            couples were comparable in what concerns race/ethnicity and
            age.

            Homosexual couples, no matter their civil union status, appeared to
            be more satisfied with their relationships than married heterosexual couples,
            reporting more positive feelings toward their partners and decreased conflict in
            comparison with heterosexual pairs. It seems that societal pressures and norms,
            besides the legal status as a couple, force heterosexual couples to remain
            together, even if unhappy.

            http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gay-and-Lesbian-Families-Are-Happier-than-Heterosexual-Ones-77094.shtml

            COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN HAVE HAPPIER RELATIONSHIPS

            Couples without children have happier
            marriages, according to one of the biggest studies ever of relationships
            in Britain. Childless men and women are more satisfied with their relationships
            and more likely to feel valued by their partner, the research project by the Open University
            found.

            http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/13/childless-couples-happier

            GAYS HAVE LOWER DIVORCE RATES

            Australia: According to the Bureau of
            Statistics, the median length of marriage before separation in the ACT was 9.4
            years with most couples divorcing almost 13 years after saying ”I do”.

            But the probability that a traditional marriage will end in divorce is about
            33 per cent.

            Dr Gordon said early indications showed that gay couples were staying
            together longer. She attributed this to the lack of expectation to getting
            hitched and the conscious decision to do so.

            ”There are very few [terminations] because people have thought it through
            very carefully and understand the implications. … they are actually thinking
            very hard about the significance and importance of making it work.”

            http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/samesex-divorce-rate-lower-than-heterosexual-couples-20140215-32t32.html

            GAY FAMILIES MORE COHESIVE AND HEALTHIER

            The largest study of children raised by same-sex parents conducted at
            Melbourne University in Australia found that children raised by same-sex parents
            experienced greater family cohesion (stronger bonds and relationships among
            immediate family members) and greater overall health than children raised by
            mixed-sex parents.

            The study also found that children raised by same-sex parents had no
            difference in self-esteem, emotional behavior and time spent with parents than
            children raised by mixed-sex parents. Children of gays and lesbians have less
            mental illness.

            http://everybodysgood.com/blogs/christina/597/same-sex-families-more-cohesive-and-raising-health/

          • DGCJ

            Even the Catholic church agrees that humans are born homosexual. That’s because science confirmed this decades ago. You are too stupid and stubborn to accept what science has taught us.
            Not my problem- YOURS!

          • DGCJ

            My esteem is quite high, as it should be.

          • Bingo

            No, it is false and overblown, and signals trouble and lack within.

          • DGCJ

            My self esteem is off the map, and justifiably so. You haven’t accomplished anything in your life, and you’ve said so.
            Judge Judy was right:
            “Any moron can make a baby. It takes no skill to do that. It takes skill to be a good parent.”
            You’ve done nothing because you are nothing.

          • DGCJ

            Nope there is no trouble in telling people of my accomplishments. If you had any, you’d be proud, too. You’ve done nothing with your life, obviously.

          • Bingo

            People aren’t ridiculous, sad braggarts like you who have to go around shouting out their accomplishments. Clown.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the clown that actually thinks you are bringing in recruits to your religion, when you are instead driving them away in droves. Keep up the good work, clown.

          • Bingo

            Leading people to salvation is not recruiting. Christianity is not a religion, but is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. People are coming to Christ every day.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn, yes it is. You’re trying to recruit gay people to be straight. Sorry, that doesn’t work. Just ask the ex-gays.

          • Bingo

            Nope. We are issuing invitations to the only true freedom one can have—the freedom from sin.

          • DGCJ

            Four times as many people are leaving your religion as joining. Get a clue.

          • DGCJ

            You’re lived a wasted life. Just pooping out kids that the world doesn’t need.
            You have no reason to boast.

          • Bingo

            Your hatred for humanity knows no bounds.

          • DGCJ

            I love humanity and that’s why I don’t believe that humanity is doomed to eternity in a place called hell.

          • Bingo

            Only a stupid, perverse, egomaniac would claim to hate women and then talk with hatred about babies and then say he loves humanity.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I don’t hate women nor babies. Do I wish there were fewer babies? Yes! The whole world would benefit from fewer babies, given that our population exceeds eight billion.

          • Bingo

            There is no threat to the world’s population—it’s a myth. You tend to believe lies, so there’s just one more.

          • DGCJ

            Here’s what you wrote on another thread:

            in certain matters yes the fed govt does have that right but this is not one of them. one sate cannot enforce their laws on another state. if the states chose to ignore the scotus on this issue what are they and the fed govt going to do about it/ seems the president can pick and choose which laws he wants to enforce and which ones he want to ignore so why could the state not do the same? really there is nothing the fed govt could do to enforce this if they chose to revolt on this matter.
            My response: You’re a bigger moron that I originally thought. Hopelessly stupid and ignorant, and legally inept, as well. Hopeless… The states don’t have the right to ignore federal law, or a SCOTUS decision. If Alabama wants to ignore federal law, they will see what happens very soon. We’ll send the national guard if necessary to integrate marriage in Alabama. We’ve done it before in desegregation.

          • bob cratchette

            oh but they do in most cases the founding fathers set up the constitution where there was not supposed to be a central govt that held absolute power over the rest of the country that would be more like what the soviet union had when it existed and while you may throw around accusations and use what you think is some type of impressive language it really is not . if we went back to living under the constitution as it was written we would not have this behemoth of a cantral govt that wants to control every facet of every ones life and all the social programs that will eventually lead to our ruin. but anyway the scotus and the fed govt can’t impose their wishes on individual states in matters of what is recognized in each state as a legal marriage. so tell me what could they do if the states said we will not recognize this argument and refuse to implement the changes they are trying to force upon the states? send in troops s start arresting masses of people just because they did not agree with what is being forced upon them. if that was to happen Obama may just get what he is wishing for. two of the justices that are going to be hearing the arguments according to title 428 section 455 of the United States Code, Kagan and Ginsburg should be made to recuse themselves from the proceedings seeing as how they both have officiated at a ss marriage demonstrating a bias for ssm based on this their opinions are already made up even before the arguments begin and cannot be counted on for an honest interpretation of the case that will be before them bringing into question their ethics and at that point they will be pushing an agenda not actually making a decision based on the merits of the arguments and laws that will be presented.
            regardless of what the decision is i do not think that it is going to be all you and other think it will be because there will still be people in some churches and pastors that will still preach against it regardless of what the govt says because we answer to someone that overides what the govt has to say on this matter. but don’t worry the majority of the churches are willing to accept it as ok in the eyes of GOD but they and everyone elase that accepts it as okay and teaches that it is acceptable before GOD will one day have to answer for it also. you will not change my mind on the matter and i am not trying to change your mind but trust me the matter will be settled on day and i can promise you that you or a lot of other people will not like what the final say will be on the matter. have a good day.

          • DGCJ

            Too long, too boring, not worth reading.
            God doesn’t exist. He is man-made.

          • bob cratchette

            keep on thinking those happy thoughts

          • DGCJ

            Yep I’m quite happy and here’s why:
            HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES HAPPIER

            As far as happiness is concerned, homosexual couples seem to be happier than heterosexual couples. A study made by researchers at the University of Washington, San Diego State University and the University of Vermont, and published in “Developmental Psychology”, focused on how sexual orientation and legal status impacted relationship quality.

            The study was made on 65 male and 138 female homosexual couples with civil union, 23 male and 61 female homosexual couples with no civil union and 55 heterosexual married couples, over a three-year follow-up. One spouse of each heterosexual couple was a sibling to a partner of a civil union couple, and the couples were comparable in what concerns race/ethnicity and age.

            Homosexual couples, no matter their civil union status, appeared to be more satisfied with their relationships than married heterosexual couples, reporting more positive feelings toward their partners and decreased conflict in comparison with heterosexual pairs. It seems that societal pressures and norms, besides the legal status as a couple, force heterosexual couples to remain together, even if unhappy.

            http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gay-and-Lesbian-Families-Are-Happier-than-Heterosexual-Ones-77094.shtml

            COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN HAVE HAPPIER RELATIONSHIPS

            Couples without children have happier marriages, according to one of the biggest studies ever of relationships in Britain. Childless men and women are more satisfied with their relationships and more likely to feel valued by their partner, the research project by the Open University found.

            http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/13/childless-couples-happier

            GAYS HAVE LOWER DIVORCE RATES

            Australia: According to the Bureau of Statistics, the median length of marriage before separation in the ACT was 9.4 years with most couples divorcing almost 13 years after saying ”I do”.

            But the probability that a traditional marriage will end in divorce is about 33 per cent.

            Dr Gordon said early indications showed that gay couples were staying together longer. She attributed this to the lack of expectation to getting hitched and the conscious decision to do so.

            ”There are very few [terminations] because people have thought it through very carefully and understand the implications. … they are actually thinking very hard about the significance and importance of making it work.”

            http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/samesex-divorce-rate-lower-than-heterosexual-couples-20140215-32t32.html

            GAY FAMILIES MORE COHESIVE AND HEALTHIER

            The largest study of children raised by same-sex parents conducted at Melbourne University in Australia found that children raised by same-sex parents experienced greater family cohesion (stronger bonds and relationships among immediate family members) and greater overall health than children raised by mixed-sex parents.

            The study also found that children raised by same-sex parents had no difference in self-esteem, emotional behavior and time spent with parents than children raised by mixed-sex parents. Children of gays and lesbians have less mental illness.

            http://everybodysgood.com/blogs/christina/597/same-sex-families-more-cohesive-and-raising-health/

          • bob cratchette

            this has not been going on long enough to make any studies that are relevant on any of the subjects you just posted come back in 20 yrs and do the study then we will talk. stds are out of sight among homosexuals that is a fact. as i said i do not put too much stock in studies because they are done with a bias for the most part to support the position of the ones doing the studies.

          • DGCJ

            It’s always been true that homosexual men outperform heterosexuals in life, but this one is below the belt and hurts the most:
            http://www.salon.com/1999/11/04/size/

          • Bingo

            Bollocks.

          • DGCJ

            The studies compared homosexual and heterosexual couples who had been married the same amount of time. Gay couples divorce at a rate less than half that of straights and lesbians divorce more than gay men.

          • bob cratchette

            could be cause there are significantly fewer of them. you know for every study you have referenced i bet i could find studies that would say the exact opposite that is why i do not put much studies done by people pushing their agenda.

          • DGCJ

            Speaking of agendas, that would be you. I have none.

          • Bingo

            Your repetitious, monotonous tripe is boring.

          • DGCJ

            The word you wanted was ‘you’re.’ I just had to correct another ignorant heterosexual on another channel.

          • Bingo

            LOL! As an editor, I know that “you’re” would not make a coherent sentence, dumbass.

          • DGCJ

            You’re indeed would make a coherent sentence, dumbass. Your does not replace “you are,” stupid woman. I’m a published editor, you are not.

          • Bingo

            I am a published editor and it’s obvious you cannot read.

          • DGCJ

            Why don’t you just give up?

          • Bingo

            Give up what? I am just starting.

          • DGCJ

            Demons don’t exist, nor does Satan, sin or your god. All are man-made.

          • Bingo

            Demons rely on people like yourself denying them. That way they can merrily carry on deceiving you.

          • DGCJ

            Demons are man-made. They don’t exist.

          • yes2freespeach

            you are a parody troll reinforcing all the negative stereotypes of homosexuals and as such are doing gays no favors. You need to shut it down stupid… Get out of your mom’s basement and get a job, and Dillard’s is not a job, if you’re doing it for free………..

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I’m reinforcing the idiocy of you heterosexual conservatives. You’re stupid people.
            My mom’s dead. I’ve never stepped foot in a Dillards, I live in the North, remember. And, no I’m not a troll.

          • Bingo

            Yeah, you’re a flaming troll.

          • DGCJ

            Yeah you’re a delisional clown

          • Bingo

            No, I am a no-nonsense Christian who can stand toe to toe with the likes of you any day.

          • DGCJ

            You’re all about nonsense. That’s your middle name.

          • Bingo

            Meh—I’m a non-nonsense person and all I see coming from your end is a whole lot of crap.

          • DGCJ

            You’re nonsense person, that’s the first correct statement you’ve made. You’re a waste of oxygen. Stop breathing.

          • DGCJ

            I’m sorry you fear education and science. It’s what you conservatives stand for. You think global warming is a left wing hoax and evolution is just a “theory.” Stupid people.

          • yes2freespeach

            Just because you belong to NAMBLA doesn’t mean you can speak for gays. There is a difference is pedophelia and homosexuality. Shut it down parody troll

          • DGCJ

            Funny how you heterosexual males always talk about NAMBLA, despite the fact there are only 300 mostly heterosexual men in their membership. Did you surrender your membership card?

          • bob cratchette

            the ole elusive and non existent gay gene huh? that is the biggest crutch used. it is a choice plain and simple if one has these tendencies one does not hang out with the crowd and expect to be able to withstand the temptation in other words nees to be lime joseph and run away. i don’t buy the born that way crutch.

          • DGCJ

            How says there’s a gay gene? You won’t here that from me, because I’m more educated about this than you. No human has chosen their sexual orientation. It’s not a choice and cannot be changed. The ex-gays agree with that.

          • bob cratchette

            don’t know if i would say more educated but i can guarantee you that you gave more experience at it than i do so i would say you are speaking from experience more than education. must be tough to be such a genius and have to enlighten all of us poor ignorant people as to the plight of the poor ole queers that are so misunderstood and want tobe accepted as normal when they know down deep that they are anything but normal. you know admitting you have a problem you can.t control is one of the first steps to recovery.. every human chooses whom they want to be attracted too.

          • DGCJ

            You obviously don’t believe in religious freedom if you think that an Episcopal minister is not free to marry a gay couple. You want our country to be a theocracy and based on your narrow misinterpretation of your ridiculous bible. Not happening. If you want to live in such a society, our country is not for you. Get out. I believe in religious freedoms, and that means if a Unitarian church wants to treat gay couples the same as straights, they should be free to do so. Marriage is a legal contract, in any case, having nothing to do with religious beliefs. In France and Germany religious weddings aren’t legal, and clergy cannot sign marriage contracts. All marriages occur in a non-religious setting in city hall, otherwise you aren’t married. A religious ceremony does not allow you the right to call your “union” a marriage. It’s not, and I won’t recognize it as such.

          • DGCJ

            Keep telling yourself that you’re normal if it makes you feel better about the fact you’re jealous and feel inferior of us gay men. It’s not my issue. I was born homosexual and always innately knew I was superior to most heterosexuals in my world. Turns out I was right after all. And, what is it with you heterosexual males and your pathological need to feel normal? Why do you need this validation? Why do you go on mass shootings when you don’t get the validation you crave? 100 percent of mass shootings have been committed by you “normal” heterosexual males. You are hardly normal. 90 percent of violent crime is committed by heterosexual males, and 98 percent of all child molestations. 1 in 4 women is abused and 1 in 5 is raped. Violence is in your DNA. Thank Jesus I lack that gene.
            There is no chance you’re more educated than me. I have a Ph D, and have taught at four universities from New York to California. Two of those schools were Catholic universities.

          • Bingo

            You have a serious delusion. Only Jesus can break it off you.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead. He can’t help anyone now.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is alive and well.

          • DGCJ

            No he’s not. Liar

          • Bingo

            You lie like your father, Satan does. Jesus is alive.

          • DGCJ

            Satan doesn’t exist.
            My father’s an Evangelical minister. He belongs to your religion.
            Jesus is dead.

          • Bingo

            Satan does exist. Jesus is alive. Your father knows the truth and is either still teaching it, or he has succumbed to pressure and compromised the truth about homosexuality due to your manipulation. Sad. Evangelicals can be tricky in what they will uphold to pressure. Christians who truly walk with Jesus know that we are not part of a religion at all, but have a relationship with the living Jesus. Your father should know that. If he doesn’t, then he is not a good minister of the gospel.

          • DGCJ

            No, Satan doesn’t exist.
            Jesus is dead.
            God is man-made

          • DGCJ

            Here you go again, and illustrating that your stupid man-made religion is fractured into tiny microsects that hate each other. Noted.

          • Bingo

            I think you are incapable of really noting any truth that is spoken here. Only lies resonate with you, which is the way of perversity.

          • bob cratchette

            pleas what an ignorant statement you are the one sticking another mans penis in your mouth and up your cornhole. oh yes i can’t sleep at night because you have or think you have it so much better. you make me laugh. in one of your statements you said you had won the cultural war but i have to tell you that you and your ilk have won a battle but the outcome of the war you speak of has already been decided and i can say with assurance that you and your ilk will lose the battle guaranteed.

          • DGCJ

            Pleas doesn’t belong in that sentence.

          • bob cratchette

            yes just like another man’s penis doesn’t belong in your mouth and up your corn hole. please

          • DGCJ

            Just like it does belong in my mouth and an us.
            You’ve never had a blow job, have you?
            Pathetic. And women don’t know how to do it properly in any case

          • bob cratchette

            how would you know but i will just have to take your word for that one as i have no desire to hae such a thing performed by another man

          • DGCJ

            Hae? Is that a Korean word?

          • DGCJ

            Women cannot give decent blow jobs. Been there done that- no thanks, ladies.

          • Bingo

            You are clearly sick.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn

          • Bingo

            Everything else does.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn

          • Bingo

            They’ve already lost. Jesus has won, bu the devil wants to take as many as he can with him, because he knows his time’s about up.

          • bob cratchette

            hey it is their decision to make but it is my duty to warn them. as i said they may have won a battle but what they do not realize is that the war is far from over but the winner has already been decided . the ones that try to use eloquent words and quips to justify what GOD say he is emphatically against are refusing to see what is right in front of them. as i told him even though i don’t see the problem either GOD’S ways are higher than mine and his viewpoint is the one i have to choose as my guide. when these people stand before GOD they will see just how foolish they were but they will be without excuse and the time for mercy has passed and not my justice but GOD’S hammer of justice will fall and his sentence is final and there will be no suspended sentence appeals or getting off on a technical matter and will be carried out to the letter of the law. that is what a lot of people can’t come to grips with s that GOD is the ultimate authority he owns it all it is his and that includes humans also and when people ask me about it all i can say is i don’t understand it all either and tell them all i can say is he is GOD he can do as he pleases and i have learned to accept that when i may not understand it but i accept it on that basis. i will say one last thing , i tell people that GOD is way to vast for a human being to wrap our mind around in the we have a finite mind trying to understand an infinite being how do you or i explain a infinite being that has always been and will always be that exists outside of man parameters of understanding in space and he exists outside of time also the answer is we can’t one either accepts him wholly or rejects him outright also. we as humans have to bend to what GOD wants of us because GOD bends for no one. hey thanks for your support and have a good day.

          • Bingo

            You are correct, sir! May I add, though, that while God is so far beyond our human understanding, He makes sure that while we are in a relationship with Him that he supplies us with a wonderful measure of understanding that is so very precious and real, and wants for nothing!

          • bob cratchette

            what have i got to be jealous of ? at least i don’t have to worry about sneezing and coughing hard for fear of crapping my drawers because i do not have any sphincter tone left. do you wear depends for this problem. the poor poor homosexuals want so much to be accepted as normal but know deep down they will never be looked at as being normal.

          • DGCJ

            I have always known I’m normal and don’t need the validation of an inferior heterosexual, like you to tell me that. I view myself as exceptional, just like geniuses do. And, I have good reason to feel that way. I’m sorry that “normal” is the best you can do.
            Sad, actually.

          • bob cratchette

            i can tell that you think of yourself as exceptional and most people with low self esteem will tell everyone they meet that they are but your definition of exceptional is more than likely a lot different than what the majority of people would consider normal. so tell me do you wear depends to keep from crapping yourself when you fart or sneeze?

          • DGCJ

            My self esteem is off the map and justifiably so.

          • bob cratchette

            okay whatever just because you say it don’t make it so. i am not able to refute that because i don’t know you. for all i know you may say that and be on the brink of suicide.

          • DGCJ

            Nope no suicide, but my heterosexual brother-in-law’s brother killed himself on his birthday. The heterosexual lifestyle is very unfulfilling. He had a wife and two sons.

          • DGCJ

            I want to know why you straight males have to imitate us better looking gay men. I’ve had my look for decades and only now you losers are catching on that it looks good. So many straight guys try to look just like us that we call them lumbersexuals. It’s time for me to change my look. When straight guys do it, the fad is done. It’s no longer cool.

          • Bingo

            You as a homosexualist, are preoccupied with self and with your physical looks. Nothing inside. The outside fades to match the vacuous interior, and then what do you have? The same nothing as before only more evident to all.

          • DGCJ

            You, as a militant anti-gay heterosexual activist, will have to learn to live with the fact that I’m married to a man.

          • DGCJ

            My interior is quite substantial. I guarantee that. I don’t judge people. YOU do.

          • Bingo

            You judge and it is MISjudging, based on your skewed worldview.

          • Bingo

            …or on crack.

          • Bingo

            Narcissism is not a justifiable disorder. You are your own idol. Idolatry is a sin that you are adding to your pile of many others that God wants you to repent of.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn.
            Keep talking. Keep proving that you’re a narcissist. I’m on another thread.
            Bye

          • Bingo

            Oh, goody.

          • Bingo

            There’s nothing narcissistic about moi. Sure, take YOUR narcissism and endlessly inflict others with it elsewhere.

          • DGCJ

            Keep telling yourself that you’re “normal.” You’ll never be exceptional as I am. My CDs of my piano performances have been played on radio stations in Europe, Argentina, Israel, Canada and the U.S. You, not so much….

          • Bingo

            Yeah, we don’t want to be exceptionally degenerate like you.

          • DGCJ

            I realize that nothing is more important to you than to feel normal and accepted. Telling an exceptional person that it’s important to feel normal makes us laugh! I’m sure Einstein would be proud that he was normal- eyes roll. He could have cared less, just as I do.

          • Bingo

            Placing yourself in the category of Einstein makes me snicker.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, it’s a fact. Snicker all you want, whore.

          • Bingo

            Clearly, you know nothing of me.

          • DGCJ

            Only two percent of the US population holds a Ph D. I’m one of those lucky few.

          • Bingo

            It’s a waste on humanity.

          • DGCJ

            What’s really hilarious is that you’re too stupid to even realize when you’ve been insulted. In your small heterosexual brain you think you’re humilating me when the reverse is true.

          • Bingo

            What’s even funnier is that you’re too much of a degenerate to realize how inept you really are at being a dignified, respectful human being.

          • DGCJ

            What’s even more tragic is your judgmentalism and how you are turning people off to religion altogether based on your piggish behavior on this thread.

          • Bingo

            Good, because no one needs religion. Everyone simply needs Jesus. It’s your asinine trollishness that has completely demolished a good thread about a different topic.

          • Bingo

            Standing up for righteousness against trolls extolling depravity and denouncing God and the Christian faith is commendable.

          • Bingo

            As a born again Christian, I am instructed by the Lord to judge certain things, and sin versus righteousness is one of those things, which is exactly what I am doing with you. You stand up for and approve sin. I am here to oppose that, not for myself, but for the sake of readers who would come across this now nasty thread and realize just how offensive the homosexualist can be.

          • DGCJ

            Sin doesn’t exist, stupid woman. There was no reason to be born again. I’ve already realized how offensive the heterosexualist can be.

          • Bingo

            Everyone needs to be born again, but not everyone will.

          • DGCJ

            Wipe the vag blood off your lips.

          • bob cratchette

            nice try. don,t do that any more either after reading that the rise in oral cancer can be directly linked to the hpv.

          • DGCJ

            I’d like to pinpoint why it is that you heterosexual males have a pathological need to feel “normal,” and when you don’t get the validation you desperately crave you go on mass shootings. What’s wrong with you people? I was born gay and always knew I was a normal and exceptional human being. I also observed quite early on that I seemed to do better in life than my heterosexual counterparts. I was the fastest runner in my school, I was the only member of my high school class to go on to earn a Ph D, and I’ve been incredibly successful in life, so much so that my high school recently honored me with a special evening presentation where I was the honored guest who had made his hometown “proud.”
            You, not so much.

          • bob cratchette

            does not say much for your hometown. i can assure i feel as normal as any other heterosexual male that knows i have no desire to practice such a sexual deviant behavior. all that money spen on education and still as ignorant as you were to begin with. so tell me are you the husband or the wife in your relationship or do you and your wife husband switch it up?

          • DGCJ

            Read your comment again and tell yourself that you’re intelligent! Hahahabahahabaha
            What does “spen” mean?

          • bob cratchette

            okay sperm is that better. i read your comments and could say the same thing.

          • DGCJ

            You stick your penis in a hole that drips blood and smells like a dump behind a sushi restaurant. You have no room to talk! Hahahahaha

          • Bingo

            You’re a pig.

          • DGCJ

            You’re a whore, Jezebel.

          • Bingo

            Far from it, sonny.

          • DGCJ

            Shut up

          • Bingo

            Spoken just like the devil. Jesus is Lord.

          • DGCJ

            Wipe the vag blood off your lips, then we can talk

          • bob cratchette

            only after you brush you teeth your breath smell of cairn

          • DGCJ

            Cairn?

          • Bingo

            You make typos and spelling errors too, but people with class don’t feel like they have to bring them up. You are just digressing as you have nothing intelligent to say.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn

          • Bingo

            Childish.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, you are that.

          • Bingo

            You’re just a little boy with a penis fetish that never grew up.

          • DGCJ

            You’re just an old woman who’s never given a proper blow job.

          • Bingo

            You’re a dirty, ugly little misogynist.

          • Bingo

            You know darned well he meant “spent”, but like the insufferable megalomaniac you are, you can’t use proper restraint. Your issues with self-esteem overpower your manners.

          • DGCJ

            You still have to worry about getting a girl pregnant accidentally and having to drive her to the abortion clinic.
            1 in 4 women is abused
            1 in 5 women is raped

          • Bingo

            When a man and woman do things God’s way, there is no such worries as those, which are the result of sin. You are so far off the mark.

          • Bingo

            Right on, bob. They think a little brown schmutz on their penises is a sign of true love. Their god is their gonads.

          • DGCJ

            You know in your gut you have lost the culture war and we gays have won. That’s why you come here to act out and bash gays. I do not care. If it helps get your aggressions out and prevents you from physically attacking gay people, or molesting a child or raping a woman, it’s all good. Vent vent vent
            You and I both know how this will end up: Gay marriage will be legal in all 50 states by the summer. When my husband and I married seven years ago it was recognized in only two states. Today our marriage is recognized in 22 countries, 37 states, DC, and federally. It is also recognized on every continent, but Australia and Antarctica. You lost, we won. Suck it up, Christian hater.

          • Bingo

            Your hatred is palpable in everything you post here. In the end you and your little “wife” will end up on the loser’s bench. In fact, Jesus has already won the war against Satan and sin. It will be finalized on Judgment Day. Outside of salvation in Jesus Christ, your destiny is clear: the Lake of Fire.

          • DGCJ

            I would never have a wife. I have a hot husband, and he’s more of a man than you’ve ever slept with.

          • Bingo

            That poor numbskull is just as silly and perverse as you are, playing house as if you have a legitimate right to it. It’s merely a facsimile based on your perverse sexual addiction you claim is love, but it isn’t.

          • DGCJ

            My husband is quite a wonderful man. Oddly enough, he’s a marriage and family therapist, and he works with dysfunctional heterosexual couples a lot. He says they are really messed up because males and females do not know how to communicate. It’s yet another reason gay relationships are superior.

          • Bingo

            He isn’t as wonderful as he could be if he knew the Lord Jesus Christ and submitted to His wonderful plan for his life, instead of choosing to live among the dregs of society.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, he’s quite wonderful, and he rejected his Catholicism quite early on, as well. He’s very smart and highly educated, like me.

          • Bingo

            He isn’t wonderful in the least. You both have incredibly low standards.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, he’s very wonderful. And, I’m happy we have been together 13 happy years.

          • Bingo

            Not for long.

          • DGCJ

            Shut up, whore. I’m not talking to you now. I’m on another thread. Be quiet, your Jesus commands you to shut the f–k up.

          • Bingo

            Then stay there, silly! Begone with you, in Jesus’ name! In the meantime, I will continue to preach the truth about Jesus Christ and the victory over sin that He guarantees every one of us who receives Him!

          • DGCJ

            Shut up, whore. Jezebel.

          • Bingo

            Jesus loves you, Dave!

          • DGCJ

            My name isn’t Dave, and your god hates me. You told me so. I don’t hate a being which doesn’t exist, and Jesus is dead.

          • Bingo

            My God loves you, Doug. He just hates your sins, and He wants to forgive you.

          • DGCJ

            My love is actually greater than your love for your now stricken husband. In fact, homosexual couples are happier and healthier than heterosexual couples overall:

            HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES HAPPIER

            As far as happiness is concerned,
            homosexual couples seem to be happier than heterosexual couples. A study made by
            researchers at the University of Washington, San Diego State University and the
            University of Vermont, and published in “Developmental Psychology”, focused on
            how sexual orientation and legal status impacted relationship quality.

            The study was made on 65 male and 138 female homosexual couples with
            civil union, 23 male and 61 female homosexual couples with no civil union and 55
            heterosexual married couples, over a three-year follow-up. One spouse of each
            heterosexual couple was a sibling to a partner of a civil union couple, and the
            couples were comparable in what concerns race/ethnicity and
            age.

            Homosexual couples, no matter their civil union status, appeared to
            be more satisfied with their relationships than married heterosexual couples,
            reporting more positive feelings toward their partners and decreased conflict in
            comparison with heterosexual pairs. It seems that societal pressures and norms,
            besides the legal status as a couple, force heterosexual couples to remain
            together, even if unhappy.

            http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gay-and-Lesbian-Families-Are-Happier-than-Heterosexual-Ones-77094.shtml

            COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN HAVE HAPPIER RELATIONSHIPS

            Couples without children have happier
            marriages, according to one of the biggest studies ever of relationships
            in Britain. Childless men and women are more satisfied with their relationships
            and more likely to feel valued by their partner, the research project by the Open University
            found.

            http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/13/childless-couples-happier

            GAYS HAVE LOWER DIVORCE RATES

            Australia: According to the Bureau of
            Statistics, the median length of marriage before separation in the ACT was 9.4
            years with most couples divorcing almost 13 years after saying ”I do”.

            But the probability that a traditional marriage will end in divorce is about
            33 per cent.

            Dr Gordon said early indications showed that gay couples were staying
            together longer. She attributed this to the lack of expectation to getting
            hitched and the conscious decision to do so.

            ”There are very few [terminations] because people have thought it through
            very carefully and understand the implications. … they are actually thinking
            very hard about the significance and importance of making it work.”

            http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/samesex-divorce-rate-lower-than-heterosexual-couples-20140215-32t32.html

            GAY FAMILIES MORE COHESIVE AND HEALTHIER

            The largest study of children raised by same-sex parents conducted at
            Melbourne University in Australia found that children raised by same-sex parents
            experienced greater family cohesion (stronger bonds and relationships among
            immediate family members) and greater overall health than children raised by
            mixed-sex parents.

            The study also found that children raised by same-sex parents had no
            difference in self-esteem, emotional behavior and time spent with parents than
            children raised by mixed-sex parents. Children of gays and lesbians have less
            mental illness.

            http://everybodysgood.com/blogs/christina/597/same-sex-families-more-cohesive-and-raising-health/

          • Bingo

            You keep telling yourself those lies. As for me and millions of other Christians, we will believe what God says.

          • DGCJ

            Millions of Christians believe homosexuality isn’t a sin.
            Deal.
            It’s their opinion, not mine. I believe that sin doesn’t exist, remember?

          • Bingo

            Rubbish. Christians know what God says about homosexuality being an abomination to Him. Dummy.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead.
            Satan doesn’t exist.
            Sin is man-made and subjective with each sect making up their own rules.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is very much alive. Satan exists and I am posting to him in you right now, and sin is everything you stand for.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead. He died almost 2000 years ago.
            Satan doesn’t exist. It’s a man-made concept.

          • Bingo

            The grave could not keep Jesus. he rose from the dead after 3 days and walked the earth for 40 more. Over 500 people saw Him, so your denials are silly and juvenile.

            Satan exists, alright. He is your father, and if you continue to reject salvation, you will spend eternity with him. You won’t like it.

          • DGCJ

            No, Jesus is dead. Get over it.
            Satan never existed.
            Snakes can’t talk.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is alive and will judge you…and I will be there with Him to witness it. You’ll know me and I will not be able to help you.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, he’s dead. And, there you go with your phony threats and judgment- yawn.

          • DGCJ

            If you aren’t in hell, I’ll be happier there, for sure.

          • Bingo

            Believe me, you’ll be screaming to get out, but you’ll never get out.

          • DGCJ

            More empty and puerile threats. Yawn

          • DGCJ

            Sin doesn’t exist, either. And, each sect decides what is a sin, so even among Christians there is no consensus about what is a sin.

          • Bingo

            Your whole life is characterized by sin.

          • DGCJ

            Sin doesn’t exist. It’s subjective and man-made.

          • Bingo

            Your heart is black with sin, but faith in Jesus will wash it whiter than snow.

          • DGCJ

            Sin doesn’t exist.
            My heart is red, like everyone else’s.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead.

          • DGCJ

            Lake of Fire. There you go again with your immature judgmentalism. It won’t play with me. Sorry, there is no hell, and your attempt to scare me and intimidate me makes me laugh at your ignorance and stupidity.

          • Bingo

            No judgment, just a promise of God’s judgment. You’ll find out real soon.

          • bob cratchette

            yes you are probably correct but the final act of the play has not taken place yet so i am not really to worried about it.

          • DGCJ

            I’m not worried either, especially being on the winning team. You’re on the whining team which lost.

          • Bingo

            He’s never correct.

          • DGCJ

            It’s genes plural that influence squeal orientation. Not just one master gene:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/

            If being homosexual is a choice how come the ex-gays say it isn’t and you cannot change it?

          • bob cratchette

            guess that is why they are ex gays because they made the choice to leave the lifestyle when they finally figured out what a sham it was.

          • DGCJ

            The ex-gays admit they are still gay, and thousands more people have left your heterosexual lifestyle for a happier “gay lifestyle.” I can only presume that your lifestyle is pretty empty and meaningless. This is obvious to me. There must be something unfulfilling about the heterosexual lifestyle since thousands more have gone from hetero to homo lifestyle.

          • Bingo

            Homosexuals who have been made free of their perversion by Jesus do not retain the label—because it isn’t true anymore. They are free and delivered.

            If you are seeing people changing from normal to homosexual, then you can be sure they weren’t born that way—they opted for the perverse.

          • DGCJ

            There is no perversion. Homosexuality is a 100 percent normal variant of human sexuality. Therefore, it’s not a moral issue.
            Red hair cannot be “wrong.”
            Left handedness cannot be “wrong.”
            Homosexuality cannot be “wrong.”
            They are biological characteristics, and therefore morally neutral.

          • Bingo

            Homosexuality is a major sexual perversion and dysfunction. We are not created by God to have sexual relations with the same gender. It’s idiotic to even consider it.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. Homosexual relationship are quite normal, and happier than heterosexual relationships, ask any bisexual:

            HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES HAPPIER

            As far as happiness is concerned,
            homosexual couples seem to be happier than heterosexual couples. A study made by
            researchers at the University of Washington, San Diego State University and the
            University of Vermont, and published in “Developmental Psychology”, focused on
            how sexual orientation and legal status impacted relationship quality.

            The study was made on 65 male and 138 female homosexual couples with
            civil union, 23 male and 61 female homosexual couples with no civil union and 55
            heterosexual married couples, over a three-year follow-up. One spouse of each
            heterosexual couple was a sibling to a partner of a civil union couple, and the
            couples were comparable in what concerns race/ethnicity and
            age.

            Homosexual couples, no matter their civil union status, appeared to
            be more satisfied with their relationships than married heterosexual couples,
            reporting more positive feelings toward their partners and decreased conflict in
            comparison with heterosexual pairs. It seems that societal pressures and norms,
            besides the legal status as a couple, force heterosexual couples to remain
            together, even if unhappy.

            http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gay-and-Lesbian-Families-Are-Happier-than-Heterosexual-Ones-77094.shtml

            COUPLES WITHOUT CHILDREN HAVE HAPPIER RELATIONSHIPS

            Couples without children have happier
            marriages, according to one of the biggest studies ever of relationships
            in Britain. Childless men and women are more satisfied with their relationships
            and more likely to feel valued by their partner, the research project by the Open University
            found.

            http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jan/13/childless-couples-happier

            GAYS HAVE LOWER DIVORCE RATES

            Australia: According to the Bureau of
            Statistics, the median length of marriage before separation in the ACT was 9.4
            years with most couples divorcing almost 13 years after saying ”I do”.

            But the probability that a traditional marriage will end in divorce is about
            33 per cent.

            Dr Gordon said early indications showed that gay couples were staying
            together longer. She attributed this to the lack of expectation to getting
            hitched and the conscious decision to do so.

            ”There are very few [terminations] because people have thought it through
            very carefully and understand the implications. … they are actually thinking
            very hard about the significance and importance of making it work.”

            http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/samesex-divorce-rate-lower-than-heterosexual-couples-20140215-32t32.html

            GAY FAMILIES MORE COHESIVE AND HEALTHIER

            The largest study of children raised by same-sex parents conducted at
            Melbourne University in Australia found that children raised by same-sex parents
            experienced greater family cohesion (stronger bonds and relationships among
            immediate family members) and greater overall health than children raised by
            mixed-sex parents.

            The study also found that children raised by same-sex parents had no
            difference in self-esteem, emotional behavior and time spent with parents than
            children raised by mixed-sex parents. Children of gays and lesbians have less
            mental illness.

            http://everybodysgood.com/blogs/christina/597/same-sex-families-more-cohesive-and-raising-health/

          • Bingo

            More lying propaganda.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the liar.
            You cannot produce any scientific evidence that homosexuality is dysfunctional nor perverse. Where’s your evidence?

          • Bingo

            Penises do not belong in rectums.

          • DGCJ

            They most certainly do, and animals prove otherwise.

          • Bingo

            More idiotic lies.

          • DGCJ

            I realize you’re sexually inexperienced. Get some experience.

          • Bingo

            Experience has nothing to do with knowing what is good and what is depraved, degenerate behaviour—such as homosexual acts.

          • DGCJ

            Behavior has no ‘u,” stupid woman. You’ve learned that already. Bad student.

          • Bingo

            Yep, there is a ‘u’ in behaviour, for me and millions of others in the world. Get over it. Nothing stupid about me, birdbrain.

          • DGCJ

            Shut up, stupid whore.

          • Bingo

            No I won’t, Champ. Jesus loves you.

          • DGCJ

            You know nothing about human anatomy . That’s for sure. The reason a woman cannot please a man sexually is because they lack the proper body part to please the man’s most erogenous zone, the prostate. Speak to your doctor and ask him why the human body is designed so that only another man can please a man.

          • Bingo

            I know anatomy very well, as an ex-nurse. Your understanding of sexual matters is BOGUS.

          • bob cratchette

            blah blah blah

          • DGCJ

            You’re the blah blah blah- people “choose” the gay lifestyle.
            Yawn.
            And, stupid, at that.
            There is no such thing as a gay lifestyle, and if it were a choice, I would definitely choose it in my next life. I feel that being homosexual is superior to being heterosexual. Every year that passed confirms this more and more.

          • bob cratchette

            blah blah blah what ever you must do to make yourself feel more accepted.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t need the acceptance of inferior beings like you.

          • bob cratchette

            blah blah blah

          • DGCJ

            Keep whining because I’ve been married to a hot husband for seven years if it makes you feel better about losing the culture war

          • Bingo

            You won’t be married for much longer.

          • Bingo

            You don’t want acceptance, because you only care about YOU. To you, everyone is beneath you. That is a pathologically decrepit mindset.

          • DGCJ

            Shut up

          • Bingo

            I will NEVER stop speaking about the truth of Jesus Christ. You know what the truth is, and that is why you are now stymied.

          • Kara Connor

            It’s next to the straight gene. Where is that, by the way?

          • bob cratchette

            never said anything about the straight gene. it is a choice plain and simple and the genetic thing is a cop out to have an excuse so one can have a reason to think that it should be accepted as normal. guess the people in Sodom and Gomorrah thought the same thing before they burst into flames also huh? didn’t work out too well for them did it?

          • Kara Connor

            So you are bisexual. You were equally attracted to men and women but chose men. I, on the other hand, have never been sexually attracted to men. I’m a lesbian. You don’t choose your attraction. You can choose to deny it and live a lie. Note that you have neutralized your own point by effectively admitting that you don’t know of any straight gene.

          • Bingo

            People do choose it, yet those who think they haven’t were infiltrated by the homosexual demon early in life through a gateway of either neglect or trauma, or both.

          • Kara Connor

            So you are bisexual. Got it.

          • Bingo

            Where do you come up with that nonsense?

          • bob cratchette

            that is something i have already addressed and regardless it is a choice and yes like it or not it is a moral choice but i will not get into the biblical viewpoint you or none of the rest are going to change my mind and i will not try to change yours. each person either accepts what GOD had to say on the matter or rejects it that is their choice to make but one day it will all be set straight and the matter will be settled forever but you and the others i would be willing to bet will not be pleased with the way it is settled but there will be nothing that can be done about it when that matter it settled once and for all. what you are describing sounds more like a lack of self control more than anything else.

          • DGCJ

            If you knew the first thing about the bible you’d know that Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality. You’re embarassing yourself yet again.
            It doesn’t take a scientist to know that humans are born homosexual. It’s self evident.

          • bob cratchette

            if you knew anything about the bible other than what you heard someone say you would know you were dead wrong. where do you think the word sodomite came from. if it had nothing to do with it then please enlighten me as to why it was destroyed. the angels that came to escort lot from sodom the night before it was destroyed the men of sodom came to lots house and demanded that they be sent out to them that they may know them which was the custom of sodom and they were about to force the way through the door of lot’s house until the angels caused them to be temporarily blinded not that it mattered they were roasted the next morning anyway. the law that GOD gave Moses was very clear on his thoughts about the matter of homosexuality and how under Mosaic law how it was to be punished but alas we do not live under Mosaic law we now live under grace and the rules that GOD gave Moses evn though i think are extreme some of them he is GOD and can do as he pleases anyway the day of grace ends after the rapture and even though you do not believe in GOD when he rules the earth Mosaic law will be implemented again but there will be very few people left alive after the tribulation.

          • DGCJ

            Sodomite is the most misused and misunderstood word regarding the bible, after “abomination.” Abomination doesn’t mean sin. Abomination in Hebrew is two words, and it means “culturally discouraged.” That’s why Jews still eat shrimp and get haircuts, despite Leviticus condemning them as abominations.
            I teach at a Catholic university, moron. My dad’s an Evangelical minister. I read your ridiculous bible cover to cover at 14. That’s why I’m an Atheist.

          • bob cratchette

            no that is because they are not living under the mosaic law any longer . what does levticus 20;13 have to say on the matter, that is the way the one you choose to deny looks on the matter. that is your choice to make and no one is going to force their beliefs on you because you are the one that will have to answer for your choices.

          • DGCJ

            I made no choice. I was born homosexual. The only choice I made was to marry a dude. I’m quite happy with that choice, and my marriage is more stable after seven years than the marriages of most heterosexuals we know.

          • Bingo

            Not for much longer.

          • DGCJ

            Religion: Belief that a god exists

            Delusion: A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior
            evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on
            false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other
            effects of perception.

            Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental
            illness

            Therefore: Religious people are mentally ill.

          • Bingo

            Knowledge: God exists.
            Delusion: although God says that everyone has the innate knowledge that God exists, there are some who are completely in denial and choose to go around blind, to their eternal condemnation. These folk are spiritually bereft and mentally weak.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn

          • Bingo

            Yes! No rebuttal. Completely stymied. Good.

          • Bingo

            Reading the bible means diddly. You have to believe it to gain the living truth that is in it. Who cares about your father? If he is a Christian then he has a reward to look forward to, but you cannot hitch off his life with Christ. You will be hauled up to stand before God and He will condemn you away from the righteous, who have received their salvation—forever.

            At 14, you had no clue, and still don’t. You took on the spirit of rebellion at that time and even more demonic spirits to boot since then.

          • DGCJ

            Archbishop Desmond Tutu said “The bible does not condemn homosexuality and anyone who says so is operating at a fifth grade level of understanding.”
            Welcome to the fifth grade.

          • Bingo

            Bishop Tutu is a liar too!

          • DGCJ

            There you go judging other Christians. It’s bad enough to judge people who don’t believe your ridiculous religion, but now you judge your fellow Christians.
            Classic!
            Dance for me clown.

          • Bingo

            Prove he’s born again. His words reveal that He has no knowledge of the truth of the word of God…just like you.

          • DGCJ

            I was born right the first time. No need for rebirth.

          • Bingo

            Not so. EVERYONE is born in the flesh, but we all need a spiritual rebirth. You are no different in that requirement.

          • DGCJ

            Didn’t read

          • Bingo

            Yeah you don’t seem to bother with that little detail. You just jump right in with spraying your venom all over everyone. It’s all about you and your hate, right?

          • DGCJ

            Didn’t read

          • Bingo

            Liar, liar, pants on fire!

          • Ladydonnalands

            Watch out for this man…He is very evil. He is a user. He is not who he portrays himself to be.

          • Bingo

            Thank you, Ladydonnalands! I am aware of the kind of person I am talking to. Yes incredibly given over to Satan, and most likely a huge liar with regard to his personal accomplishments. (I think he may be a teenager!)

          • Ladydonnalands

            I actually believe he is an editor for a certain magazine. He is using people to get their point of view to help him write his point of view. He is young. He is 28 years old. I nicked named him Champ about a year ago. I don’t even believe he’s gay but he is a leftist. He recently interviewed a gay Catholic priest. This week he is a Catholic homosexual. Next week, he’ll be someone else. He changes his name a lot which you can do on Disqus. His words and actions give him away. He hates me because I always win against him. I got one over on him in his own magazine. He was a twitter follower. I set him up on Politico and he has been out to get me since. I am smarter than him and like a child, he has not forgot it. Call him Champ and he shuts up.

          • Bingo

            Well, if all that is true, we are dealing with someone who has no integrity and is actually mentally unstable (I could tell from a mile off that was true!). These days he is the son of an Evangelical preacherman! Thank you for the heads up! I don’t think it will change much, but it will get his goat a little!

          • Ladydonnalands

            I went to his twitter and wouldn’t you know…He recently wrote a story on a catholic homosexualy priest. One reason I believe it’s him, is every time he has stalked me….he never lets up unless he wins the argument. I have been a landlady for 20 years. I learn to read people quite well. People are creatures of habits. He is a weird guy. I only wanted to warn you that he doesn’t let up until he wins.Call him Champ…he really gets upset about that. lol

          • Bingo

            Thanks! I am even more dogged than he is! As a King’s kid, I won’t let the enemy win this skirmish! A champ he is NOT!

          • Ladydonnalands

            Follow me so I can follow you.

          • Ladydonnalands

            PS…This is me when I work out. I love to pray,write and dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rgwgb6U4yeI

          • Bingo

            *grinning*

          • Ladydonnalands

            I just wanted you to see the person you are communicating with. 🙂

          • Bingo

            Thank you—I appreciate your openness!

          • Ladydonnalands

            I can’t follow you because you are private. It’s okay because you can see me. It makes sense to me it’s him. I get this gut feeling he trolls and stalks me. You can’t block people on disqus. I have dealt with him for a year now. I usually figure out when its him because he gives himself away. He is old enough to be my child and he acts like a child. You can’t get much past a mama who can spot the same ole bully on the playground. lol

          • Bingo

            Please try again!

            Yes he acts like a scrawny teen, and let me tell you, my wonderful grandson can run rings around him in character.

          • Ladydonnalands

            Here is his recent story. https://twitter.com/ewdolan/status/574958957040549888
            Quite odd that he is who this guys story talks about.

          • Bingo

            The article is very poorly written, possibly written by someone with a mere high school education.

          • Ladydonnalands

            I think that is how they get their muse for their inputs. Most of their stories are written that way. I am a banned person on their stories. They do not allow my comments because I always win.

          • Bingo

            LOL! Good for you!

          • bob cratchette

            yes desmond tutu is someone i would take as being some type of authority on any spiritual matter. it does not matter what any pastor or priest may have to say on the matter if what they are saying goes directly against what the bible explicitly says is wrong then it is wrong period no matter what one of the talking heads wants to try and console the ones practicing the sin by telling them it is ok when the bible the final word on the matter says that it is not. desmond tutu what a laugh.

          • DGCJ

            The bible doesn’t explicitly condemn homosexuality because that concept did not exist until the 19th century. That was easy. People didn’t know in the biblical times that sexual orientation existed.

          • Bingo

            That’s a lie you’ve chosen to believe, a real testament to your moral denseness. Homosexuality has existed as long as sin has been in the world—since the beginning. It is demonic. Sexual orientation still doesn’t exist.

          • DGCJ

            Sexual orientation not only exists, it exists in the animal kingdom as well. There are animals that are exclusively homosexual.

          • Bingo

            Of course that little “factoid” is a lie. What happens as an aberration in the animal kingdom cannot be an excuse for humans to act like animals. We are NOT animals, but higher than animals. It just goes to show you how the godless mind operates—like animals.

          • Bingo

            Tutu probably wears one…he has no spiritual depth or authority.

          • DGCJ
          • Bingo

            More stupid stilted propaganda.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, you’re stupid. Progress.

          • Bingo

            I am FAR from stupid, which means I can speak to what IS stupid, and that is your phony baloney “documentation”.

          • bob cratchette

            well moron the bible says that GOD is the same yesterday today and forever meaning he does not change and his views on the subject remain the same as they have always been. seems like he called it what was it oh yes an abomination what is the definition of an abomination; A cause of abhorrence or disgust., intense aversion or loathing; detestation.
            3. a vile or shameful action, condition, or habit. that was and is what GOD.S opinion on the matter is and always will be according to the definition. i know everyone that believes that way is a bigot well you and others need to take it up with GOD he made it all and he makes the rules and ultimately we will all answer to HIM for either trying to live within them or outright rejecting them.as far as being narrow minded i guess you could say that the bible says that narrow is the way that leads to salvation and few there be that find it and broad is the way that leads to death both physically and spiritually . so i guess when the ones that want to deny GOD’S existence stand before him they will not be able to say i did not know but instead will have to say i was told but i chose in my own what i thought was my infinite wisdom to go my own way only to realize that they were more ignorant than the ones they were railing against. as i have said earlier if you were bothering to pay attention me personally i could care less about what you do but GOD says differently because he has a different set of rules than most humans want to choose and i choose to follow what he says is right and you choose to go in the opposite direction. GOD changes for nothing or nobody he is GOD and can do as he pleases he answers to no one.

          • DGCJ

            Sorry, too long, too ignorant, didn’t read.
            Your god doesn’t exist, so the rest of your diatribe was quite useless. I’m glad I wasted your time, however.

          • Bingo

            I know the bible well, and the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah included its devotion to homosexual perversion. you cannot speak about scriptural things, as you have no spiritual discernment—you’re more like a wood post in that department.

          • DGCJ

            You don’t know craap about anything, let alone your bible. You didn’t even know that homosexuality isn’t a sin and that the word abomination doesn’t equate with sin at all.

          • Bingo

            I know the scriptures well. You do not. God declares homosexuality sin. something He despises and that he says will guarantee you hellfire is definitely something one cannot miss unless he is completely sold into the bondage of homosexuality.

          • Bingo

            You’ve just proven to be another spiritual vacuum.

          • DGCJ

            It’s not my opinion that homosexuality is biological and not a choice. Science confirmed it decades ago, but your Sunday school teacher didn’t get that information:

            The Royal College of Psychiatrists states:

            ” Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. It is therefore not a choice.”

            Human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether or not to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
            American Psychological Association, Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality, July 1998

            Can a homosexual orientation be changed?
            Homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.
            American Psychological Association, Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality, July 1998

            There is no published scientific evidence supporting the efficacy of “reparative therapy” as a treatment to change one’s sexual orientation… American Psychiatric Association, Statement, Dec. 11, 1998

            We oppose any psychiatric treatment, such as “reparative” or “conversion” therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based on the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation. American Medical Association, Resolution, 2000

            The American Academy of Pediatrics states:
            “The current literature and most scholars in the field state that one’s sexual orientation is not a choice; that is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual or heterosexual. There is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation,”

          • bob cratchette

            i don’t put a whole lot of stock in what the majority of psychologist say because 99.9% of it is just that an opinion that they want to call research and that makes it so. i know a lot of people that use this cop out and it is just an excuse to perpetrate their warped view and bad behavior.

          • DGCJ

            I realize you hate science and fear education. As a religious fundamentalist, this is expect of you. You also have a lower IQ and less education than me. Research has proven that religious people are less intelligent and less educated.

          • Bingo

            Here we go again for the umpteenth time. What an incredible bore.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, people who are frightened of science are boring indeed.

          • Bingo

            I love science, because I love God and all He has created for us to discover. He gets all the glory.

          • DGCJ

            Science has proven that your god doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            LOL! I get up today and see 80 replies. You are not getting any more attention from me, troll. You’re hopelessly damaged material.

          • DGCJ

            LOL, I woke up and saw YOUR replies. Keep telling yourself that you’ll ignore me, meanwhile you still respond to me.
            You are my puppet. You work for me.

          • Bingo

            Your hatred is pervasive, and demonic and makes me sick. I am done with you. You cannot take my peace, so I will let God Himself deal with you.

            Get him, God!

          • DGCJ

            Go puke, hag.

          • DGCJ

            Is that a promise, or are you going to keep posting stupid comments to me, hag?

          • DGCJ

            You’ve been a hate filled and judgmental old lady since the first comment I read of yours. You will die unhappy and unfulfilled. I pity your husband but am relieved he cannot hear you speak. He must be happy about that.

          • Bingo

            Are you really that stupid? My husband is well and happy!
            You in your abject misogyny and fuelled by your narcissism and your homosexual BENT, have come here merely to troll—that is it.

          • DGCJ

            You are the walking embodiment of “church lady.” Go watch the skits of Church Lady on Saturday night. It will remind you of yourself.

          • Bingo

            Not.

          • DGCJ
          • DGCJ

            More immature and idle threats. That’s what Christianity is all about:
            judgment
            hatred
            condemnation
            threats
            eternal damnation

          • Bingo

            Christianity is all about Jesus and His love for us. Those who know and walk with Him understand that. You’ve only come here to spit and spew at Him and His people.

          • DGCJ

            Post a quote from any scientific organization, or even an ex-gay, that proves that a human being can change their sexual orientation. Otherwise, you’re a liar. The ex-gays admit they are still homosexual. Deal.
            The ex-heterosexuals admit they were always homosexual but had to pretend to be straight because of a-holes like you in their lives. Thank Jesus I never paid attention to the heterosexual morons in my life. I knew better. I’m too smart for that. I knew I was born homosexual from a very early age. As the son of an Evangelical minister, I was taught that being homosexual was a sin. I thought such an idea was ridiculous. That’s like saying being right handed is a sin. How utterly absurd. The people who concocted your bible were retards.

          • Bingo

            Your perverse life is the result of a full tilt spiritual rebellion at an early age….a miserable and damnable choice.

          • DGCJ

            My life is far more upstanding than yours. I don’t condemn people because of the way they were born. You are disgusting excuse for a human being. Stop breathing.

          • Bingo

            Nope. It is vile and perverse, and a flagrant sin against holy God…and the weird thing about it is—you know it.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, it’s a normal variant of human sexuality.
            Deal.

          • Bingo

            Nothing normal about homosexual life.

          • DGCJ

            The homosexual lifestyle is obviously superior to the heterosexual lifestyle, otherwise millions of people wouldn’t have left the heterosexual lifestyle to live happier lives in the homosexual lifestyle.
            Heterosexual lifestyle is empty. It’s a deadend street to nowhere.

          • DGCJ

            You’ve never answered me as to why it is that far more people leave the heterosexual lifestyle for the homosexual lifestyle than vice versa.

          • Bingo

            It’s a lie.

          • DGCJ

            You’re a lie

          • Bingo

            The Truth lives in me.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, which means that you are turning people off to your religion. I’m happy about that. Keep up the good work! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

          • Bingo

            Actually, people are being turned off by you revealing how ugly this whole homosexual agenda is.

          • DGCJ

            I’d much rather live an exceptional homosexual life than an average, boring and unsatisfying heterosexual life.

          • Bingo

            There is nothing exceptional in living in perversity.

          • DGCJ

            Since I don’t live in perversity, I wouldn’t know.

          • Bingo

            Yes, you live in perversity and denial. A very nasty combination.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I don’t live in perversity nor denial.
            You have a mental illness. It’s called religion. You’re delusional.

          • Bingo

            No, I am not mentally ill in any way. Anyone who considers something perverse as normal and good, and hates the opposite gender is operating under a satanic influence.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, you’re delusional because you talk to an imaginary friend daily. That’s an illness.

          • Bingo

            There’s nothing imaginary about God! Denying Him brings illness and overwhelming hardships in the end.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t hate the opposite gender, you’re confusing me with heterosexual males. 1 in 4 women is abused and 1 in 5 is raped. If that’s not hate, what is?

          • Bingo

            Yes, you are a misogynist, through and through, and everything you say reveals it.

          • DGCJ

            If Satan exists, you’re his best advocate. Nobody has turned more people off to your religion than you have. Well done!
            When you preach hatred, condemnation and judgmentalism as the basic tenets of your faith, that’s what happens.

          • Bingo

            Actually you advocate for Satan, while I advocate for Jesus Christ and His righteousness.

            I don’t turn people off to Jesus. I preach Jesus and His great love and His message of forgiveness. You happen to hate Him and His gospel and His people, and love to twist things around—just like your dad, the devil does.

          • DGCJ

            Satan is man-made. No such being exists.
            You’re doing his work, because you are turning dozens of people off to your religion. It’s all good.

          • Bingo

            Only a dunce would deny Satan’s existence and then declare someone is working for him.

          • DGCJ

            Your message is one of hatred and condemnation. You wouldn’t know compassion if it hit you on the head. Your life is all about judging others.

          • Bingo

            No, I use righteous judgment, and that judgment is able to discern what serves the cause of Christ and what serves the cause of Satan or evil. What you speak conforms to the latter.

          • DGCJ

            Shut the hell up, you stupid woman.

          • Bingo

            No intelligent comeback, eh? Stymied again!

          • DGCJ

            Didn’t read…

          • Bingo

            Why do you even post?

          • Nosmo King

            D.G.C.J. is quite the character, isn’t he? His entire modus operandi is to repeat himself endlessly and pummel anyone who dares to oppose him with 50-100 posts to a single one of yours. When he starts cursing and swearing it means he’s finally losing his temper despite all this “loves to waste people’s time” attitude–he has to get in the last word.

            Trust me, next he’ll start accusing you (and anyone else) of being the same person under multiple user names and then making guesses at which time zone you live in and wondering how/why you’re posting so early in the morning (as in after sunrise) when he’s nodding off at 4AM.

            And the obvious is true, if he was truly happy he wouldn’t waste time here accusing anyone heterosexual (all 99% of us) of everything under the sun. Seriously, he thinks there’s heterosexual computer viruses out to infect his computer. Lately he seems to be reaching for anything to comment on–this article is two years old–and he just keeps coming back and back. It’s sadly amusing in a way, at least until he goes off the deep end at people.

          • Bingo

            You are correct in every way! His very disturbed mind has a hobby to create disturbance everywhere he goes. It doesn’t work with me. The peace of God rules, here!

            I have emailed the publication itself to see what they will do, but they are simply allowing the filth to stay. That being the case, I am determined to see this ugly so-and-so out the door.

          • DGCJ

            My dad’s in your camp. He’s a preacher, stupid woman.

          • Bingo

            He isn’t in my camp.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, he’s in your camp. He opposes gay marriage, stupid woman.

          • Bingo

            Then you’ve broken your parents’ hearts and their hopes and desires for a family lineage. Selfishness is the mark of your life.

          • DGCJ

            Your beliefs are based on hatred, fear, ignorance and judgment. You are a nasty person. You also have been turning thousands of people off to your silly religion just by your posts on this thread. Are you proud?
            You are Satan’s minion.

          • Bingo

            I am a disciple of Jesus Christ and have preached the gospel message to you. You, however speak hatred and lies because your heart is dark and filled with hatred for all that is good. what is good, you say is bad and what s bad you say is good. The twisted mind and values of one whose soul belongs to Satan.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the disciple of the devil. Every aspect of your life is about turning people off to Christianity. You’re doing the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to do.

          • Bingo

            You and your beliefs have been made the focus here. The devil is spewing his hatred through you for the truth spoken here through me and others. It is so obvious.

          • DGCJ

            Your heart is full of hatred, and disgust. You are a hypocritical judgmental and nasty person.

          • Bingo

            I certainly admit to disgust for you, but hatred? No. I am motivated by concern for your eternal destiny, because God loves you with an unfathomable love and doesn’t want you to suffer hellfire. There is a way out and it is all good.

          • DGCJ

            Shut up, stupid whore.

          • Bingo

            Never. Jesus has commanded me to speak the Good news about Him. he has come to suffer the punishment of our sins so that we won’t have to suffer the judgment of God! We can have victory in this life over sin and enjoy life as He desires us to!

            John 10:10
            The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it overflows).

          • DGCJ

            There is everything exceptional about being born homosexual. That’s why we have parades. There is nothing about the heterosexual lifestyle worthy of celebrating in a parade:
            teen pregnancy
            abortion
            abuse of women
            rape
            unwanted children
            AIDS was the gift to humanity of the heterosexual lifestyle
            child molestation (20 million girls have been molested by their heterosexual fathers)

          • Bingo

            All lies and garbage. Clown.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the clown. Thanks for condemning other Christians. Christ would have been so proud of you, except he’s dead.

          • Bingo

            I don’t condemn other believers…or anyone else. Only God can do that. Jesus will have the last word.

          • DGCJ

            I’m glad you’re turning people off to your religion. You’re the best advocate against Christianity.

          • DGCJ

            Old hag

          • DGCJ

            Here’s the message of YOUR version of YOUR religion:
            My god hates you. He hates that you were born homosexual, through no fault of your own. Unless you say you’re sorry to my god, he will curse you and damn you to hell forever. My god is a hateful, intolerant and immature childish god, but you have to bow to him or you will suffer forever after you die.
            Nice religion you have there, lady.

          • Bingo

            Dumb. God hates sin. Period. Your life is built around sin, and the lie that you were born a homosexual—He wouldn’t do that to you! Yet, He doesn’t hate YOU—just what you do and how you live. Give Him your life and He will make it into something shining a great. Keep following after your lusts, and you will have God’s condemnation.

          • DGCJ

            I’m edging you to a stroke and nervous breakdown. It makes me laugh.

          • Bingo

            Nope. I am strong in what the Lord has taught me, and will continue to stand up for the truth of Jesus Christ forever.

          • DGCJ

            If you believe your Jesus made everything, then he made me gay. Go take up your concerns with your Jesus. Sorry to inform you that he’s dead, however. Oops!

          • Bingo

            God doesn’t create people who are perverse. People become perverse because of what Satan does in them.

          • DGCJ

            Judgment

          • Bingo

            Righteous judgment that God has given to His people to use.

          • DGCJ

            Condemnation

          • Bingo

            Yes, a warning of God’s condemnation that is imminent for you.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the best advocate against your religion. Well done! And you said you weren’t “religious.” Liar

          • DGCJ

            If pooping out kids was your goal in life, you’re no better than a common rabbit.

          • Bingo

            Your attitude is rude, ugly and hateful. Hating women and children is your problem. You are nothing BUT vile.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, my attitude is quite normal for someone who is dealing with a hate filled and bitter old hag.

          • Bingo

            Your attitude is insufferable. You bring negative responses to your streaming hatred here.

          • DGCJ

            Sin doesn’t exist.
            God doesn’t exist.
            The weird thing is that you know this in your heart.

          • Bingo

            You have a habit of believing lies, which is the problem with the perverse.

          • DGCJ

            Your the one who believes in an imaginary sky daddy.
            I don’t

          • Bingo

            Absolutely false. You were born heterosexual like everyone else, but have been spiritually and mentally molested by a demonic spirit. Your life is a cartoon, a facsimile for what we are called to in life.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I was born homosexual, like a few select and lucky few of us are.

          • DGCJ

            My life has been fantastic, which is why I’m world famous and you’re an unknown housewife who is bitter, angry and unfulfilled-obviously.

          • Bingo

            Hilarious. Keep tooting your own rusty little horn, there.

          • bob cratchette

            which means they made the decision to be one way or the other

          • DGCJ

            This seems like a no-brainer (no pun intended), but research shows that the more religious you are the less intelligent and educated. I was astounded to know that this is also true of level of IQ. In other words, if you have a lower IQ you are more likely to be religious-ouch!

            http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.html

            If you believe in god, you are more likely to be less intelligent than those of us who do not believe:
            A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades
            has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than
            non-believers. A piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies.

            According to the studyentitled, ‘The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations’, published in the ‘Personality and Social Psychology Review’, even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

            Low education level usually goes hand in hand with a tendency to be religious:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/7729/does-more-educated-really-less-religious.aspx

          • bob cratchette

            i would expect this type of lame excuse from someone such as yourself and it does not surprise me one bit but i will not stoop to your level because i know how you feel but soon enough there genius we will see who has the last laugh.

          • DGCJ

            I would expect you to write like a moron and be incapable of using proper punctuation. It comes with your ilk. You also don’t know the difference between “weather” and “whether,” “your” and “you’re” and “were” and “we’re.” That’s because you lack education and fear science.

          • bob cratchette

            so what you got the gist of what i had to say.

          • DGCJ

            So you still can’t write like a mature adult. Maybe it’s the fact you are heterosexual and thus have a smaller brain than me?

            http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

          • bob cratchette

            yes it has been shown in studies that the more man jelly you ingest it doe raise your iq.

          • DGCJ
          • Bingo

            Don’t post porn links on Christian News Network! There is something wrong with you.

          • Bingo

            My dog has a smaller brain than you but is a whole lot smarter than you.

          • James S Laroche

            plot thickens you seek to justify your sin this sin shall consume you less you repent

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made and subjective. I was born right the first time. Sin is owning a gun. Guns are used to kill people. Killing is immoral. Therefore I will never own a gun. Yet you think this should be legal. Sinner!

          • DGCJ

            Sin is a man-made concept which is subjective. Every Christian sect decides for themselves what is a sin and what isn’t a sin. I actually saw on that Charisma News website an ad for people to find out what their gun rights were. Do you know that owning a gun is a sin in the Quaker faith? Guns are used to kill. That means that owning a gun is a sin, since guns are meant to kill and your bible instructs you not to kill. You people are such hypocrites. If it weren’t so sickening, it would actually be funny. But, you do real harm in people’s lives, which is truly tragic. I was indoctrinated into Evangelical Christianity and was lucky to escape it at age 18 when I left for college. Forcing a child into a religious faith is a form of child abuse and should be prosecuted as such.

          • Bingo

            No, sin is not a human construct, but is everything that defies God. He reveals to us what it is through His word, by His Spirit. I doubt you even know what a hypocrite is. You do great harm to yourself by your behaviours and your evil speech against what is right and holy.

            You need Jesus. I pray that you will relent and allow Him and His love to change you and enrich you.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, sin is a man-made construct just like your god is.

          • DGCJ

            I was indoctrinated in Jesus. Don’t need it, don’t want it.

          • Bingo

            Then get lost, troll.

          • DGCJ

            Not a troll. Control your anger

          • Bingo

            Yes, you are trolling with spite after just being canned at Charisma.

          • DGCJ

            Nope not trolling. I’m not a child. I’m a college educator. I also debunked that article that said people aren’t born gay. Science shows otherwise

          • Bingo

            You did not and cannot debunk much of anything that conforms to the solid truth of God’s word. You are out of your element, trolling this site.

          • DGCJ

            God does not exist. There is no proof such a being exists. There is tons of evidence he is man-made

          • Bingo

            Stick to the topic, troll.

          • DGCJ

            I am sticking to the topic. You keep quoting bible verses as if that means something to me. I might as well quote from a comic book in retort, troll.

          • Bingo

            You are not on topic, troll.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, on topic. Quoting your bible is as meaningless as quoting from a comic book. It’s irrelevant.

          • DGCJ

            Calling my troll is immature. Grow up. A troll is someone who tries to change the subject and gets annoying. I’m sticking to the topic;
            Prove to me that humans can change their sexual orientation. You say it’s possible. Prove it.

          • Bingo

            You’ve swanned in here loaded for bear because you just got banned from Charisma News, and now you’re changing the topic and tenor of this thread completely—which is part of trollish behaviour.

            Go somewhere else with your challenges. They don’t belong here.

          • DGCJ

            I’m not changing the topic, you are.
            Prove to me that a human being can change their sexual orientation. Prove it. You can’t. I can prove otherwise. Even the ex-gays agree with me, and they should be on your side. They aren’t.

          • DGCJ

            I got canned at Charisma because religious nuts always fear me. I have science on my side and can debunk their nonsense. Yes, humans are born gay. This is not even disputable today.

          • Bingo

            Can you get a hat over than inflated head of yours? What an ego! No, Christians are not fearful of you. You have NOTHING that can debunk the truth.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, you fear me. And you fear education and science. You’ve not yet presented ANY evidence that humans make a choice to be gay, and those who should be on your side disagree with you. The ex-gays say it’s not a choice, and you cannot change it. Deal.

          • Bingo

            That’s a lie that has served to condition you, where you believe that any opposition to your sexual proclivities is fear-based. Nope. It is truth-based, and you need to be informed of the truth.

          • DGCJ

            Your religion is based on fear and hatred. Every other word from you is a condemnation of me. You think that everyone in the world is doomed because we are bad people. That’s why your religion is so offensive to me. It truly offends me. It offends my intellect. It offends my good nature as a decent human being. I cannot see the world as you do. I don’t see everyone as a bad person who will die in hell if they don’t “repent” and believe in your god. Your limited myopic view of the world truly saddens me. You are like your friends at ISIS. You want everyone to convert to your way of thinking. Not happening. Four times as many people around the world are losing a faith as gaining one. 500,000 Brazilians a year are leaving Christianity. You are losing the war, and it’s your own fault for the way you treat people.

          • Bingo

            Jesus and his gospel is all about His love—for you. That you pervert it and all things that are good is no wonder. He doesn’t ask us to roll over in the face of evil, and I won’t do so for you and your defense of evil, either.

            Rejecting God’s free gift of righteousness is condemnable, and that is the truth you are being told. I don;t condemn you—you condemn you.

          • DGCJ

            Your message is one of hate and has been since the beginning of our debate.

          • Bingo

            Not “our”—“your” debate, which is fueled with your own brand of hatred.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the hater. I pity you. You’re pathetic.

          • Bingo

            Actually you just might, but that is because you are completely upside down in your values and thinking…so it means diddly.

          • DGCJ

            I have high moral standards. You have none. You want to impose your beliefs onto me. Not happening.

          • Bingo

            You’ve fallen to complete moral dissipation. Only in Jesus Christ will you see the truth of it. In he meantime your antichrist spirit reigns in you and will condemn you, unless you relent to Jesus.

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuality isn’t a moral issue, just as left handedness is not a moral issue.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is my Lord, and He isn’t pathetic. He died for you in your place, and this is how you treat Him?

          • DGCJ

            HAHAHAH!

          • DGCJ

            You condemn me. And your god doesn’t exist, so that’s pretty much powerless too. Your threats continue to display what your religion is all about. Sad…

          • Bingo

            God will condemn all who reject His free gift of salvation.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist so good luck with that!

          • Bingo

            Then go away and stop opining your evil junk here at a Christian site.

            Oh yeah, that is what trolls do.

          • DGCJ

            Providing educational materials for the uneducated isn’t trolling.

          • Bingo

            No, you pour sewage all over truth, here.

          • DGCJ

            In all my world travels, I have to say that the two religions which impressed me as being worthy of consideration are Sikhism and Buddhism. They are peaceful religions which are not judgmental. They view the world in such a beautiful way. You view the world as fire brimstone, hate, condemnation and judgmentalism. I do not hate you. I love all human beings. Rather, I feel sorry for you. You will die an unhappy person who is bitter. Especially since you lost the culture war and you see that society is now embracing gay people as never before. It is no longer shameful to be born gay, and such a world terrifies you.

          • Bingo

            I will die an extremely happy and peaceful person, and will pass into glory forever…because I have believed and received the great gift of eternal life from my Father,. God, through placing my faith in Jesus Christ the living Messiah, who laid down His life for the sins of the world, so that sinners don’t have to pay for their sins themselves.

            I am on the winning side, and the battle has already been won my Jesus.

            Only Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life—no one can come to God except through Him.

            So, your way and your beliefs will be your eternal undoing, without faith in Jesus.

          • DGCJ

            Nope you’re a bitter and unhappy person. Obviously, you’re also a Christo-fascist bully

          • Bingo

            I am completely happy and content, because of Jesus Christ and His cleansing power and forgiveness, which has made me free from sin.

          • DGCJ

            No, you’re bitter, angry and losing sleep because I married a dude. Get over it.

          • Bingo

            I couldn’t care less who you are married to, but I do care that you leak your poison all over this article and others.

          • DGCJ

            Education is only poison to those who want to deny truth.

          • Bingo

            I certainly don’t consider people who have succumbed to perversion as educated or having anything to offer the world concerning their particular fetish. All they do is rationalize and justify their sin. That isn’t intelligent—easily seen through for what it is.

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuality isn’t a perversion. Nothing to succumb to.

          • Bingo

            You are impervious to truth. Yes, homosexual acts are perverse.

          • DGCJ

            No, homosexuality isn’t perverse. Especially not to someone who is born homosexual. Heterosexual acts are abhorrent to those of us blessed with homosexuality.

          • Bingo

            Babies are not born demonized. Homosexuality is made or chosen.

          • DGCJ
          • Bingo

            No they are NOT.

          • DGCJ
          • Bingo

            Haha! Wiki is gospel to you?

            God doesn’t create demonized people.

          • DGCJ

            God creates nothing. Mankind created god, genius,

          • DGCJ

            No, this information is so basic that there’s even Wikipedia page for it. That’s the point, dumb dumb. I often refer my college students to Wikipedia for basic information as a starting point. It often has links to real scientific information. As a result of Wikipedia, you know now that gays have superior cognitive functions. Scientifically proven.

          • DGCJ

            Not only are humans born homosexual, it’s not changeable. The ex-gays say it isn’t changeable, and they should be believed, because they “tried” to change it (unsuccessfully). No human has changed their sexual orientation. Not one.

          • Bingo

            Lies. Countless people have been delivered out of their homosexuality.

          • DGCJ

            And, your proof that people can choose not to be homosexual is…..?
            Countless more people have been delivered from the heterosexual lifestyle and now live happy lives in the “homosexual lifestyle.” I know dozens of them. I know several older gay men who were once married to women, and were freed of the bondage of the heterosexual lifestyle. They are so happy. I also know a lesbian who came out after the age of 70.

          • DGCJ

            Every human can change their sexual behavior, genius. Not one human has changed their orientation.

          • DGCJ

            Delivered out of homosexuality?
            How about the thousands more that have been delivered out of their heterosexuality?
            I can introduce you to a dozen personal and close friends who’ve been delivered from heterosexuality. They are much happier in the “homosexual lifestyle.” Perhaps you should ask them why the heterosexual lifestyle was so empty, meaningless and unfulfilling?

          • Bingo

            Homosexuality is a huge boulder of a burden on the spirits of men. It twists and deadens your soul, and in the end it condemns you, simply because it prevents you from knowing Jesus.

            Your views are entirely perverse, and demonic.

          • DGCJ

            No, homosexuality is a biological gift.
            Heterosexuality has the potential to bring about the end of the human species due to overbreeding.

          • Bingo

            The potential for the end is your favourite sin—homosexuality, just as it brought about the utter destruction of an entire group of cities in the past.

          • DGCJ

            The word favorite has no “u.”
            Sin is man-made construct. No such thing actually exists. It is meant to scare people into joining your religion. I’m not gullible enough for that.

          • Bingo

            Big brain, small mind.

          • DGCJ

            Very large mind, which is far more capable of understanding the world than you.

          • Bingo

            Not really. You can drive a mack truck through the open caverns in your mind. Mush.

          • DGCJ

            My mind is quite lucid. It’s you that believes in an imaginary sky daddy. I don’t

          • Bingo

            Lucid like fog. God is the giver of a sound mind. Thank you, Jesus!

          • DGCJ

            You don’t have a sound mind, and god doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            I have a completely sound and clear mind, thanks anyway!

          • DGCJ

            No you don’t.
            You’re an unhappy and bitter person.

          • Bingo

            Who are you–Carnac the Magnificent? LOL! I am a completely happy, contented and fulfilled person in Jesus Christ my Saviour and Lord.

          • sandraleesmith46

            It does in the British spelling of the word.

          • DGCJ

            This is an American website with a story about American law. Why would a British person feel it is their right to even make comment? It’s none of their business what happens with our laws.

          • Bingo

            This thread is not about the law. It’s about Rick Warren and his regret for a video he made for only his congregation.

            A person from Borneo is free and welcome to opine here. So off with you and your overblown arrogance, Ugly American.

          • DGCJ

            This thread is about American law. Read it again. You have no business commenting on this article. Get lost.

          • Bingo

            Not in your life.

          • DGCJ

            Yes in my life

          • sandraleesmith46

            Didn’t say the poster was British, only that the spelling was not incorrect, merely the British form, which was still in approximately equal usage in America well past the mid-point of the last century, as it happens.

          • DGCJ

            Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with homosexuality and you know it. Stop spreading the same lies.

          • Bingo

            Yes, homosexuality had a lot to do with S & G. Stop spreading your reworking of truth–i.e. lies.

          • DGCJ

            No, homosexuality had nothing to do with Sodom and Gomorrah.

          • Bingo

            Nope. Homosexuality was a major part of why the cities of the plain were incinerated by brimstone.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, false

          • Bingo

            Nope, true.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, false.

          • Bingo

            I know the word of God. You do not.

          • DGCJ

            God never spoke one word. Not one.

          • Bingo

            God speaks all the time. The entire universe came about as the result of God’s spoken word.

          • DGCJ

            No, actually your god has never spoken, not even in your bible.

          • Bingo

            God Almighty speaks incessantly.

          • DGCJ

            You speak incessantly and ad nauseum.

          • Bingo

            Haha…you can’t spell.

          • DGCJ

            I spell quite well, thanks, and in five languages.

          • Bingo

            Not really. Go check your dictionary.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, really. I did check my dictionary and low and behold:
            behavior has no “u”
            color has no “u”
            cheque is not there
            savior has no “u”
            I guess I was right after all?

          • Bingo

            They are all in my dictionary as I spell them correctly. However, you cannot spell “ad nauseam”.

          • DGCJ

            Ad nauseum is accepted in American English. In fact, my computer’s spell check did NOT underline it as improper spelling. On the other hand, these spellings were underlined as incorrect spellings; colour, behaviour, favourite, saviour, etc. They are incorrect. Those are half French spellings, and NOT proper English. Our country did away with any French influence in our language, thank Jesus.

          • DGCJ

            Ad nauseum is accepted spelling in our country. Nobody currently speaks Latin, so we can spell it so it more fully expresses the feeling of disgust. Ad nauseam doesn’t have the same impact.

          • Bingo

            Only among ignoramuses (or is that ignorami?).

          • DGCJ

            I forgot, you spell most everything differently. You’re not a normal American. Got it.
            Recap:
            mum is a flower
            color has no “u”
            cheque does not exist in the English language
            behavior has no “u”
            WC means? I have no clue.
            behavior has no “u”
            favorite has no “u”
            That’s your lesson for today.

          • Bingo

            I am a normal human being who is not American and no one cares but you.

            Fixated much?

          • DGCJ

            You are anything but normal. You have repeatedly admitted you talk to something that doesn’t exist, and you do it daily. You are mentally ill.

          • DGCJ

            No, my views are quite fine, and I just flagged you for offensive speech towards gays.

          • Bingo

            It’s obvious that flagging is futile. Your views are an abomination to God and to His people.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, flagging is futile, it only shows your desperation.
            The word abomination doesn’t equate with sin. if it did, then the Jews wouldn’t get haircuts or eat shrimp. I’m fairly confident they do both.

          • Bingo

            I continue to flag you because you do not belong here, spreading your hate and vile beliefs. You’ve completely ruined this thread and others with your childish, petty, self-serving and demonically-derived comments.

            You have no clue or authority to speak about God, the Jews or God’s word in these matters. If you choose to live the homosexual life, then go right ahead, but don’t presume to be an authority on what is or isn’t sin. God is and He tells us in no uncertain terms that those who live in homosexuality will be condemned. So, you speak from hellish point of view, and that has nothing to do with the viewpoint of the believer, or this site.

          • DGCJ

            When have I expressed hatred. Name one time, liar.

          • Bingo

            Disrespecting the thread’s topic by focusing on your sexual proclivities, denying and defying God and His word, declaring yourself superior to all, and basically lying about it, and personally attacking me—that all comes from a hate-filled heart.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist. The rest of your diatribe is childish

          • Bingo

            Yes, God exists. What I have said is wisdom against your foolish, defiant heart.

          • DGCJ

            When did I attack you? Name one instance

          • Bingo

            What you have said about my personal situation is a disgusting attack. You have proven yourself to be a very small-minded—and little man.

          • DGCJ

            This thread is about the laws pertaining to marriage equality in MY country. I have more right I be here than you. It also impacts MY life and refers to MY state.
            Get lost, foreigner. This is not your bisiness

          • Bingo

            No this thread is not about that, but about something else. You have no right here when you come to troll it and not address the topic.

          • DGCJ

            Disrespecting this thread’s topic would be someone who is not American coming here and making comments on our laws.

            OH, that would be YOU, not ME!!
            You are irrelevant. Get lost, eh?

          • Bingo

            I have great respect for Christian News network and their aims, and for this thread’s topic, which is why I have rebuffed you and your evil and disruptive presence here.

            I have made no comments about any laws, for that has nothing to do with the thread’s topic.

            However, you have crashed the thread with your braggadocio and hate-filled comments for too long. Something is definitely amiss in you.

          • DGCJ

            What’s the “homosexual life?” I was unaware there was any difference in my life compared to your life. Do enlighten me.

          • Bingo

            It’s a life governed by a sexually perverted mindset. Your life is a complete failure compared to the Christian’s life, for all you can relate to is your lifestyle compared to everyone else’s. That ought to be horribly taxing, always thinking and feeling as though you have to defend yourself, and so you attack everyone else! Such a small existence! Normal people—heterosexual marrieds don’t have to think about it–because they are normal.

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuality isn’t a perversion except in your narrow and limited mind

          • Bingo

            Homosexuality is a perverse, twisted, upside-down, demonic mindset.

          • DGCJ

            No, actually this is inaccurate. The APA states: “Homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. Homosexual relationships are normal.”

          • Bingo

            The APA is a compromised bunch, who have succumbed to lies rather than stand up for what is true. It’s all due to the homosexual agenda.

          • DGCJ

            Demons don’t exist.

          • Bingo

            Yes, they do. I am talking to one or more in you right now.

          • DGCJ

            HAHAHAHA!

          • Bingo

            Yep, demons always respond in such a manner.

          • DGCJ

            I can’t wait until your grandchild announces to you that they are gay.

          • Bingo

            They are already very gay—happy and merry.

          • DGCJ

            Figures you’d be old enough to have grandkids. You’re old.

          • Bingo

            No…mature and wise–unlike yourself.

          • DGCJ

            I’m quite normal and don’t think about it either. It’s you that has the issue, not me.

            Over 7000 documented species are homosexual, including all mammals. Only one species makes a moral judgement about it and it’s not the Dolphins.
            I’m my neighborhood there are more homosexuals than heterosexuals. YOU are considered not normal
            here

          • Bingo

            You may be normal for a demoniac, but completely abnormal as a human being.

          • DGCJ

            It’s quite normal for a human to be homosexual. Kinsey thought ten percent of the population was gay. He was right.

          • Bingo

            LOL! It’s completely abnormal. Kinsey isn’t normal, either.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t need to defend myself nor apologize for the biological gift of homosexuality, rather I celebrate it. I’m proud of my gift. Only few have it

          • Bingo

            Yeah like the gift of AIDS.

          • DGCJ

            Heterosexuals gave the world the gift of AIDS. In case you aren’t aware, it has always been primarily a heterosexual disease. Heterosexuals had AIDS a full half century prior to any gay men getting infected.

            Facts are your friend:

            HETEROSEXUAL AIDS

            heterosexual intercourse is now responsible for 80-90% of all HIV
            transmissions worldwide. The current likelihood of male to female infection
            after a single exposure to HIV is 0.01-0.32%, and the current likelihood of
            female to male infection after a single exposure is 0.01-0.1%. These estimates
            are mostly derived from studies in the developed world. However, a man or a
            woman can become HIV-positive after just one sexual contact.

            HETEROSEXUAL AIDS

            By the end of 2005, 63,500 adults aged 15 to 59 were estimated to be living
            with HIV in the United Kingdom. This figure includes diagnosed people and 20,100
            who were unaware of their infection. Infections acquired heterosexually have
            accounted for the much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses
            (4,049 in 2005 compared to 840 in 1996). Just under two thirds (2,571) of
            heterosexually acquired HIV infections diagnosed in 2005 were in women

            HETEROSEXUAL AIDS

            Up to 60 percent of orphaned children in Africa are orphans because they
            lost both parents to AIDS. Africa is home to only 14 percent of the world’s
            population, yet has over 70 percent of all HIV infections. AIDS is primarily a
            heterosexual disease worldwide.

            HETEROSEXUAL AIDS

            From the UK: Infections acquired heterosexually have accounted for the
            much of the rapid rise in the numbers of new HIV diagnoses (4,049 in 2005
            compared to 840 in 1996). Since 1999 the number of new HIV diagnoses among
            heterosexuals have outnumbered those among gay and bisexual men.

            HETEROSEXUALS RESPONSIBLE FOR AIDS CRISIS

            AIDS was introduced to humanity in Africa as early as 1930. It was not
            recognized as a distinct disease until some gay men became infected in the West
            a half century later. That’s because the symptoms are generic and often match
            symptoms of common diseases in Africa. Without the courageous activism of the
            gay community, there would have never been any treatments developed and the
            continent of Africa may well have been wiped clean off the map. African
            heterosexuals owe a debt of gratitude to gays in the West.

            HETEROSEXUALS BROUGHT AIDS TO NORTH AMERICA

            It is now documented that AIDS came to North America via Haitian
            heterosexual immigrants, who were infected in Africa. This happened in the late
            1960s, and it took a further decade before any gay men were infected in North
            America. It is believed the virus was largely confined to South Florida, but
            made its way up the East Coast via bisexual Haitian men. This article
            documents it well:

            http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/10/071029-aids-haiti.html

          • Bingo

            What tripe. Liar.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made. And, every sect of Christianity decides for themselves what is sin and what isn’t sin.

          • Bingo

            Nope. Every Christian knows by virtue of knowing God what sin is.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made and subjective. Every group decides or themselves which is why a growing number of sects are marrying gay couples

          • Bingo

            Nope. Satan has the hearts and minds of more people, because he knows his time is short.

          • DGCJ

            Satan doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            He’s your god.

          • DGCJ

            No, he’s your god, not mine.

          • Bingo

            LOL! Satan despises me and is far from me because of Jesus in me. It is Satan himself who is the operative within you.

          • DGCJ

            I hope when your husband had a stroke that he mercifully lost his hearing.

          • Bingo

            More of your demonic excrement.

          • DGCJ

            There must be something very dissatisfying about the heterosexual lifestyle. Otherwise, millions of people wouldn’t have been delivered out of it and now live their lives happily in the ‘homosexual lifestyle.’
            What is it about your lifestyle which makes millions leave it year after year? Is it the teen pregnancy? Is it the abortion? How about having unwanted children? 50 percent of American kids are accidental, and born to unprepared heterosexuals.

          • Bingo

            The answer is SIN. Sinners can do nothing BUT sin.

          • DGCJ

            I thought all humans were sinners. That means you are unrighteous.

          • Bingo

            No, people who have received Jesus are not sinners any longer, but saints.

          • DGCJ

            There is no such thing as a sinner

          • Bingo

            All who reject Christ or have not heard of Him are sinners.

          • DGCJ

            That’s just special, so humans who’ve never heard about Jesus are condemned to hell? More proof that your god is a spoiled rotten child who needs to grow up. His tantrums are getting more and more intolerable to me.

          • Bingo

            Everyone is given opportunity to know God. That’s His business. He orchestrates how people know Him.

            You don’t know Him, nor recognize His unfathomable love for you, even when you act hateful toward Him and His children. My humanity says, “Forget him, Lord!” But He says, “I love Him, and want Him to be My child.”

            God is so good, and ONLY good.

          • DGCJ

            God is man-made

          • Bingo

            Man is God-made.

          • DGCJ

            God is man-made. Got it right the first time.

          • Bingo

            Man is God-made.

          • DGCJ

            How can I hate someone who doesn’t exist? Is thy rational to you?

          • Bingo

            Everyone KNOWS innately that God exists. You now spend your time rejecting Him with impunity. It’s hatred.

          • DGCJ

            Everyone knows innately that your god is man-made.

          • DGCJ

            I can’t hate something which doesn’t exist, that would be as illogical as believing in something that doesn’t exist…. oh wait…..

          • Bingo

            But you do hate God, and it is evident in your words and in your life.

          • DGCJ

            That

          • DGCJ

            The experts disagree with you:

            The Royal College of Psychiatrists states:

            ” Despite almost a century of
            psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence
            to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood
            experiences play any role in the formation of a person’s sexual orientation.
            Sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of
            genetic factors and the early uterine environment. It is therefore not a
            choice.”

            Human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual
            orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior
            sexual experience. Although we can choose whether or not to act on our feelings,
            psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that
            can be voluntarily changed.
            American Psychological Association, Answers to
            Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality, July 1998

            Can
            a homosexual orientation be changed?
            Homosexuality is not an illness. It
            does not require treatment and is not changeable.
            American Psychological
            Association, Answers to Your Questions About Sexual Orientation and
            Homosexuality, July 1998

            There is no published scientific evidence
            supporting the efficacy of “reparative therapy” as a treatment to change one’s
            sexual orientation… American Psychiatric Association, Statement, Dec. 11, 1998

            We oppose any psychiatric treatment, such as “reparative” or
            “conversion” therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per
            se is a mental disorder or based on the a priori assumption that the patient
            should change his/her homosexual orientation. American Medical Association,
            Resolution, 2000

            The American Academy of Pediatrics states:
            “The
            current literature and most scholars in the field state that one’s sexual
            orientation is not a choice; that is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual
            or heterosexual. There is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual
            abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation,”

          • Bingo

            What does your fake, pasted, and unlinked nonsense have to do with rick Warren and his pastoral responsibility to his people?

          • DGCJ

            These studies also confirm that gays and straights differ biologically. No choice involved, No lifestyle involved, just pure biological differences:

            Wade, Nicholas. (May 9, 2005). “Gay Men Are Found to Have Different Scent of Attraction.” New York Times.
            Jump up ^ Swaab DF, Hofman MA (December 1990). “An enlarged suprachiasmatic nucleus in homosexual men”. Brain Res. 537 (1–2): 141–8. doi:10.1016/0006-8993(90)90350-K. PMID 2085769.
            ^ Jump up to: a b Allen LS, Gorski RA (August 1992). “Sexual orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain”. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 89 (15): 7199–202. doi:10.1073/pnas.89.15.7199. PMC 49673. PMID 1496013.
            ^ Jump up to: a b c d e LeVay S (August 1991). “A difference in hypothalamic structure between heterosexual and homosexual men”. Science 253 (5023): 1034–7. doi:10.1126/science.1887219. PMID 1887219.

          • DGCJ

            Notice how I post links to scientific organizations and studies which confirm that I am correct and you incorrect.
            From you: crickets.

          • Bingo

            Nope. You are off topic, troll.

          • DGCJ

            On topic. You’re off topic. You keep bringing up your man-made god as if it is relevant to anything. No such being exists. It is irrelevant.

          • DGCJ

            Where are your links to scientific studies or organizations which state that homosexuality is a choice? I’m waiting….

          • DGCJ

            Nope, you’re sad lonely and bitter

          • Bingo

            Nothing sad, or lonely or biter about me. I am completely free of that, and fulfilled in serving my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, who loves like no other can love, and who is the solid rock on which I have built my life.

            Luke 6:46-49
            Building on a Solid Foundation

            “So why do you keep calling me ‘Lord, Lord!’ when you don’t do what I say? 47 I will show you what it’s like when someone comes to me, listens to my teaching, and then follows it. 48 It is like a person building a house who digs deep and lays the foundation on solid rock. When the floodwaters rise and break against that house, it stands firm because it is well built. 49 But anyone who hears and doesn’t obey is like a person who builds a house without a foundation. When the floods sweep down against that house, it will collapse into a heap of ruins.”

          • DGCJ

            Quoting bible verses is invalidating your statements.

          • Bingo

            What God says trumps anything you may want to say—therefore, invalidating your claims.

          • DGCJ

            Your god does not exist

          • Bingo

            Yes, God exists….so you need to go ply your nonsense somewhere else.

          • DGCJ

            As a college professor at a Catholic university I can say that I’ve seen the subtle changes in society regarding us gay people. At one time I was very secretive about being gay. No more. When I got married in 2008, my students were thrilled. My department threw us a wedding shower, complete with a “blessing” from the dean of my department. You have lost this war against homosexuals. It is time to find another minority to disenfranchise and abuse. We are done…

          • Bingo

            Flagging.

          • DGCJ

            That’s what you conservatives do- silence everyone else. Christo-fascism on display. Bully

          • Bingo

            Actually you Christophopbe trolls are the bullies.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t fear nor hate Christians. I hate your behavior. Preventing me from marrying is not acceptable. Voting to deny me civil rights is unacceptable. That’s why we have the courts to protect me from you.

          • Bingo

            You fear and hate the Lord God so much that you are on the attack all over the internet against Christians who speak His truth. Like a baby with a toy mama took from him. Waaaah!!!

          • DGCJ

            I can’t hate something which doesn’t exist. That’s idiotic.

          • Bingo

            Yes, it is hatred for God and truth.

          • DGCJ

            I educate Christians who have no education. Get some.

          • Bingo

            That’s like a pedophile trying to teach the world to bugger little boys.

          • DGCJ

            Bugger is not used in Amerian English. You’re not American

          • Bingo

            LOL! It’s an English word. Learn up.

          • DGCJ

            That’s British, not American English. It is not accepted in American English.

          • Bingo

            It’s English and perfectly correct.

          • DGCJ

            It’s not acceptable in American English. You know nothing.

          • Bingo

            It’s acceptable everywhere.

          • DGCJ

            I like trolls like you. It enables me to educate large swaths of uneducated Christians on the internet. Thank you! I’ll keep posting my evidence that humans are born gay and gays differ biologically from heterosexuals. You’re my tool. Well done, stupid.

          • Bingo

            You don’t educate anyone here, and your putrid influence ends now.

          • DGCJ

            I thought you were going to flag me? Liar

          • Bingo

            Flagged.

          • DGCJ

            It’s typical of your rightwing Christians to try to silence everyone else. That’s what you do. You hate science. You fear education, and you cling to your bibles and guns as your way of life.

          • DGCJ

            You are consumed by hatred, fear and ignorance.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, not in my country it’s not.

          • DGCJ

            Nope you oppose my civil rights not vice versa. I do not care if you believe in Santa, just don’t use that to deny me my rights.

          • Bingo

            You have the same civil rights as evryone already. No one is denying you any civil rights.

          • DGCJ

            My right to marry is denied in 13 states. Try to keep up.

          • Bingo

            You have every right to marry, just like everyone else in the world. What you want is a special privilege to marry according to your perversion.

          • DGCJ

            “Homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality. Homosexual relationships are normal.” APA
            Deal
            I didn’t see the word perversion, did you?

          • Bingo

            The APA has nothing on God. He considers it a perversion, and so do His people. You lose.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist, and world respected theologians disagree with what your god says on this issue.

          • Bingo

            Well-respected Christian theologians agree with God, and I agree with them.

          • DGCJ

            And, world respected theologians agree that your god doesn’t condemn homosexuality. You’re operating at a fifth grade level of understanding of your bible. You’re too stupid and uneducated to know that the original Hebrew words for abomination are two words, and they translate as: culturally discouraged. It doesn’t mean sin. Only Christians twisted this word to mean sin.
            You just got educated.

          • Bingo

            You don’t believe in God, so why would you even have any knowledge of or even care about what any so-called theologian would say or think?

            Many theologians are simply religious people, but are not Christians, so they do not speak for God.

            You are ignorant of these matters.

          • DGCJ

            Anyone who follows the teachings of Christ is a Christian. Let us remember that the KKK is also officially a Christian organization. They do not allow any non-Christians as members, and they also exclude Catholics. I bet you’re a card carrying member.

          • Bingo

            Atheists have no clue about what a Christian is. People can bandy the word about, but only those who have a relationship with Jesus are Christians.

          • DGCJ

            Rubbish. I was indoctrinated into your religion from birth until the time I escaped my parent’s home at 18. I know more about this than you. Guaranteed. My dad’s a minister!
            HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

          • Bingo

            My condolences to your father.

          • DGCJ

            He’s quite thrilled with his gay son and he loves my husband. Condolences to your husband

          • DGCJ

            I was once a believer until I read your bible and realized it was a crock. Talking snakes? Don’t think so. Men living to 900 years of age? Didn’t happen

          • DGCJ

            You just contradicted yourself. Mormons, Catholics, Tutu all claim to have a relationship with your dead Jesus, therefore they ARE Christians. You’re fascist because you think your way is the only way. Thanks for proving that your religion is subjective and man-made.
            Not news

          • Bingo

            No contradiction. No they are not, although some Catholics are born again.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, contradiction, and you’re proving my point beautifully. People who say “this is the only way” are generally not very observant nor honest. Just yesterday a Catholic man told me that any other form of Christianity other than Catholicism isn’t valid. You are an apostate.
            Like I said, both of you are no different from ISIS. Maybe you’re not going around killing those who don’t believe as you do, but you are just as stubborn and narrow minded as they are.

          • Bingo

            Well, you aren’t apostate. You are simply an atheist, and lost. to you it’s a bad thing to be narrow concerning sin. To God and to His people, it’s all good. We are called to be wise and discriminating about what we do, what we agree with, and who we associate with. It’s part of our walk with Jesus Christ to live uprightly.

          • DGCJ

            To you anyone who doesn’t believe exactly as you believe is an apostate. I’m talking about other Christians.
            I’m quite found, thank you. Nothing lost.
            You’re a phony, and you know you’re a phony. You accuse other Christians of not being Christian just because they interpret your “holy book” differently than you. Well, the fact that your book is open to so many interpretations should tell you something. It’s phony crock.

          • Bingo

            There is nothing phony about me.

          • DGCJ

            Everything about you is phony. You’re pompous, hate-filled and bitter. Your comments wreak of it.

          • Bingo

            You must be looking in the mirror, because you’re describing only what you are seeing in yourself.yourself…very transparent, indeed.

            The only things I hate are what God hates: sin…and your mouth is full of lies and deceit. You are not the object of Christians’ hatred, but the sin that you consider good is, and the spirit that rules you.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made and subjective. There is no such thing as a sin, and each Christian sect made up their own list which disagrees with other Christians, proving your religion to be man-made and phony.

          • Bingo

            No, sin is man-committed, and man-centric. Anything that violates God is sin.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made. That’s true.
            God doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            You don’t exist.

          • DGCJ

            Yes I actually do

          • Bingo

            You vaunt yourself to be much more than you really are.

          • Bingo

            The original word for sin is a term used in archery, which means “missing the mark”. So, sin is missing the mark with God.

          • DGCJ

            You just proved that sin is man-made. Well done. Progress.

          • Bingo

            Know-nothing! The word is from God, and He has likened it to archery.

          • DGCJ

            What word? God never spoke one word. Your bible was concocted by men

          • Bingo

            Everything that exists in the universe was created by God’s spoken word.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist, how can “it” hate any thing?

          • Bingo

            God exists. He lives in me. He hates sin.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made. Your god
            hates all humans because you said we are all sinners.
            Sorry, not buying your condemnation crap

          • Bingo

            So what? It doesn’t mean God isn’t going to condemn you because you don’t believe it. When you stand before Him, you’ll believe it.

            God loves us. That is why He did everything for us to be reconcile to Him, but you reject His free gift. It’s all on you.

          • DGCJ

            Who is “Him?”

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist. It is man-made.
            You’ve had centuries to prove your god exists- crickets.

          • Bingo

            It’s not my job to prove God. It’s His, but you have to ask Him. He will always come through when one is sincere.

          • Dr. Thomas

            I’m looking at a pot, besmirching the exterior coloring of an equally-decorated kettle.

          • Bingo

            Hahaha!…good one.

          • DGCJ

            No, you’re looking at a bot. I’m not a bot, you are. Look at yourself, and your lower intelligence and lack of ability to think logically.
            By your logic:
            Heterosexuals are more likely to have accidental children, yet they continue to engage in behaviors which create such unwanted children. Therefore, it follows logically that heterosexuals a mental defects.

          • Bingo

            Your an alias for DGJC. Phony abuser of internet sites with two accounts.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, not phony nor abuser. And, yes I have two accounts. You have a problem with that? Why?

          • DGCJ

            Do you listen to yourself whine? I do not blame your husband for having a stroke. It’s probably the only way he can tune out your incessant whining and damnation you spew. I pity any of your children. I hope that you didn’t have any.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is our Healer! All glory to Jesus Christ!

            You are a hateful little man with no respect for anything. Making personal attacks like that is part of your demonization. Jesus is Lord.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead

          • Bingo

            Jesus is alive and well. I was just talking with Him. He sends His love.

          • DGCJ

            Tell Jesus that I’m sorry that he has such hateful followers who don’t preach his word.

          • Bingo

            You tell Him you are sorry for grieving Him with your hatred.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Found, yes… but by whom?

          • DGCJ

            So, let me get this right. Every Christian who doesn’t agree with you is automatically not a Christian?
            Got it.
            Thanks for proving my point.

          • Bingo

            You have NO POINT.

            There is always going to be disagreement among Christians about various things, but never about the basics concerning Jesus Christ and salvation through faith by the grace of God.

          • DGCJ

            You have no point. You continue to assert that humans choose to be gay. This is false, and scientifically proven to be false. Stop being a liar.

          • Bingo

            My point has been made ad infinitum. You are merely trolling, just as you do everywhere else you post. You must be unemployed.

          • DGCJ

            Ad nauseum is more like it.

          • Bingo

            Look! A spelling mistake from the professor! It’s obvious you are not familiar with Latin.

          • DGCJ

            Very familiar with Latin, thanks. I also speak five other languages.

          • Bingo

            Not more familiar with Latin than I am. Try again, sport.

          • DGCJ

            You’re highly uneducated. Obviously. You didn’t know that savior, behavior and color have no “u.”

          • Bingo

            I am educated. Obviously. “Saviour” is the correct spelling, doofus. Your whole world doesn’t revolve around your US of A.

          • DGCJ

            No, Savior has no “u.”

          • Bingo

            Jesus Christ is my Saviour and Lord!

          • DGCJ

            Doofus isn’t a word, either. Maybe in Canada, eh?

          • DGCJ

            No, I’m quite employed, thank you. I’m a part time professor at a Catholic university (my day job), and a concert pianist. I set my own hours, and am usually awake until 2am and wake up at 10am. That’s the way I like it.

          • Bingo

            Probably not a good one, if all you can do all day long is fiddle with the blackberry keyboard, trolling Christian sites glorifying yourself and your sexual proclivities.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t troll anywhere, never have, never will.
            I don’t glorify my sexual orientation, although I do consider it superior to yours.

          • Bingo

            That’s deep denial, that is. Keep shoveling.

          • DGCJ

            Keep replying you amuse me. People like you are an Atheist’s best friend. Who is doing Satan’s work for him?

            Hint: YOU

          • Bingo

            Nope. I am doing the work of God, revealing who rules you: Satan.

          • sandraleesmith46

            You, sadly, are choosing to mock that which you clearly don’t understand, using all those petty and pointles talking points that are so unoriginal. We are very different from ISIS: starting with the fact that Christians aren’t sawing off the heads of those who don’t follow our beliefs, as ISIS is doing regularly!

          • DGCJ

            I don’t understand Christians?
            Let me set the record straight. My dad’s an Evangelical minister. I was indoctrinated into Christianity, by force, from birth until I left home at 18. I had no choice in the matter. Not only do I understand Christians, it’s the only environment I knew until I went to college.
            You are exactly like ISIS. My religious indoctrination as a child was a form of child abuse.

          • Bingo

            That makes it even worse. You cannot even understand the faith of your own father. I feel sorry for your parents, having to deal with a prodigal who has yet to reach rock bottom.

          • DGCJ

            I understand that my parents had very little education. I think they might have lower intelligence, as well, because they didn’t get very far with their education.

          • Bingo

            I’ll vouch for the fact that you parents have far more character in them than you have.

          • DGCJ

            you parents?

          • Bingo

            Oh yes, I forgot—you will never be a parent, thank goodness.

          • DGCJ

            I do not want to be a parent. Like many heterosexuals, I have a far higher purpose in life than to raise children. That’s for rabbits. I could be a parent if I wanted, but I don’t want to. Thank goodness I’m not heterosexual and don’t face the possibility of an accidental child. 50 percent of American kids were unwanted when they were conceived. Ponder that. You heterosexuals go to great lengths to prevent pregnancy. I guess procreation’s not all that it’s cracked up to be after all?

          • DGCJ

            My dad is quite proud of me, actually. You should have heard him going on and on about our trip to Europe and the fact that I could speak German so fluently. He didn’t know that!

          • Bingo

            So what? Do you live for parental approval? As long as you are footing the bill, he’ll be nice to you.

          • DGCJ

            Right.
            Nope, not even close.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Frankly, it matters not a whit to mewhat label your Dad wore, or what he claimed to be; the fact is YOU do not understand what a true believer is or what real Christianity is. My parents also claimed to be Christians, while doing unspeakable things to their own children behind closed doors. They weren’t Christians either, in truth. But to the world they carried that label to their deaths. Jesus KNOWS the truth. He will separate out the goats from His sheep, in time.

          • DGCJ

            Thanks for illustrating how ridiculously phony your man-made religion is. This is not news to me.

          • DGCJ

            Christians have done as much harm as ISIS. In case you aren’t aware of it: google; Spanish Inquisition.
            Entire cultures have been decimated by Christian missionaries in Africa, South America and Asia. Christian Evangelical missionaries are behind the Kill the Gays bill in Uganda and anti-gay laws of Russia. Documented. Google: Rev. Scott Lively. Read for yourself.

          • Bingo

            You’re so hateful, you’ve become stupid.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the hateful one, not me. I don’t condemn you to hell. It’s vice versa, witch.

          • Bingo

            LOL! You are the one making hate-filled personal attacks, bud. You’re in self-denial as well. No one here has condemned you to hell. You are being given the truth that outside of Christ and His righteousness, God says that you are condemned already. That is your choice.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, don’t call me bud. I’m no friend of yours. Thou aren’t mine enemy.

          • Bingo

            No, I am Satan’s enemy. That’s why you behave so badly here and among other believers you are harassing through Disqus. under two names that I know of.

          • DGCJ

            Satan is using you as his tool. He’s using you to turn people away from your stupid religion. He’s doing a bang up job.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t harass. YOU do.
            You’ve called me all sorts of names in the book. You’re a hateful and horrible female.

          • DGCJ

            YOU have condemned me to hell numerous times, liar.

          • Bingo

            Nope, not once. That is something that is impossible for me to do. But God will, and you definitely self-condemn by what you embrace and by what you reject. It’s your choice.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, multiple times, liar.

          • DGCJ

            There is no such thing as a god.

          • DGCJ

            No, I’m quite intelligent, which is why I don’t believe any religion, as you do:

            This seems like a no-brainer (no pun intended), but research shows that the
            more religious you are the less intelligent and educated. I was astounded to
            know that this is also true of level of IQ. In other words, if you have a lower
            IQ you are more likely to be religious-ouch!

            http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.html

            If you believe in god, you are more likely to be less intelligent than
            those of us who do not believe:

            A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades
            has
            concluded that religious people are less intelligent than
            non-believers. A
            piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman,
            found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53
            out of 63 studies.

            According to the studyentitled, ‘The Relation Between Intelligence and
            Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations’, published in the
            ‘Personality and Social Psychology Review’, even during early years the more
            intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from
            religion.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

            Low education level usually goes hand in hand with a tendency to be
            religious:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/7729/does-more-educated-really-less-religious.aspx

          • Bingo

            A wise man said recently, “Intellect stops at the skull”. There is so much more to life than bragging over one’s IQ. Your spiritual life is what matters.

          • DGCJ

            You certainly have no room to brag over anything. You’re delusional, uneducated, unsophisticated and basically a stupid person.

          • sandraleesmith46

            You’re lumping false claimants who show no fruits of Christianity in with those who are, and blaming the latter for the acts of the former. As for killing homosexuals, under Ugandan law, that isn’t a Christian idea or act. Shunning them from the body of Christ, while they persist in the sinful behavior, doesn’t include physical harm let alone death.

          • DGCJ

            I see, so only YOUR version of god is valid? That’s why your religion is fractured into hundred of microsects which don’t agree on anything, let alone what is or is not a sin. See why I reject your religion? You’re a poster child for the reason I reject it outright.

          • DGCJ

            “Some” Catholics are born again. There you go again with your self-aggrandizing superiority to other Christians. Shameful. You are making my case for me.

          • Bingo

            Yes, some catholics are born again, but many are not because they have been under the impression that to be saved is to be baptized.

            You haven’t a clue about what you are talking about.

          • DGCJ

            What? That made zero sense. If they believe in Jesus, they are Christians. End of discussion.

          • Bingo

            Baptism saves no one, and those who believe it does has put their faith in something OTHER than Jesus Christ. You have no authority to speak about it.

          • DGCJ

            Baptism means you are accepting Jesus as your “savior.” That’s what it means.

          • Bingo

            Not exactly. It is a testimony to the world that you have already accepted Jesus as your Saviour, and you are making a public statement of your identification with Jesus death, burial and resurrection. Baptism doesn’t save anyone, but those whoa re saved are commanded to be baptized. There you go—Christianity 101.

          • DGCJ

            Savior has no ‘u.’

          • Bingo

            Yes, it does, in many countries.

          • DGCJ

            Not here it doesn’t. Foreigner

          • DGCJ

            This article is about American law. Mind your business, foreigner

          • Bingo

            It’s about right and wrong.

          • DGCJ

            You must have gone to a different church. My dad’s an Evangelical minister. He only baptized adults, not infants, because it was considered a conscious “choice” to follow and accept Jesus as your Savior.

          • Bingo

            Why do you say that? Did I say anything about infant baptism? Wake up.

            The bible doesn’t teach baptism of babies.

          • DGCJ

            Baptism means you are a Christian who follows Chrisr. Therefore all Catholics and Mormons are Christians, fool

          • Bingo

            No, it doesn’t. Go away. You know nothing.

          • DGCJ

            Do you know the reason the Amish broke away from the Mennonites? Because they didn’t believe in baptizing infants. They think it should be a choice you make after adulthood.

          • Bingo

            Not necessarily adulthood—only when one comes to the realization that one is a sinner and needs a Saviour, and receives Jesus Christ. That can happen at 10, or 12, or 15!

          • DGCJ

            Savior has no “u.”

          • Bingo

            Get over your America-centric self. I have a Saviour. His name is Yeshua.

          • DGCJ

            Amish cannot become part of their church until late teens, I believe 17. Until then, they are not comsidered Christians. I assume they believe kids who die before then go to hell???

          • Bingo

            The Amish are weird and crooked in their beliefs.

          • DGCJ

            Considered

            I Hate spell check on I phones!!!

          • Bingo

            I highly doubt you know what shameful is.

          • DGCJ

            I highly doubt you have the mental capacity to accept that science teaches us that humans are born homosexual, and cannot change it.

          • Bingo

            Your science can say anything it wants, because it has no clue, but real science ALWAYS confirms God’s word. When God says that homosexuality is detestable to Him, we know that harm and death will come to those who partake in it. God isn’t joking.

          • DGCJ

            Real science proves that humans were on this planet 1.4 million years prior to the creation story in Genesis. Can you explain the discrepancy?

          • Bingo

            Your brand of science cannot prove anything of the kind. Your science cannot explain the fossil record that reveals older creatures on a layer above what is deemed newer. Whenever they are confronted with it, they hum and har and shove that under the carpet.

          • DGCJ

            Whenever religious people are confronted with science, they run the opposite direction as fast as humanly possible. Science scares the BeJebus out of you.

          • Bingo

            Religious people? I am a Christian, and not religious. Jesus found religion abhorrent. I have a relationship with JESUS CHRIST. Science is merely the knowledge of what God has wrought. So, we believers have no problem with science. In fact, I rejoice in God when science reveals His beauty and His utter genius.

            You are so dumb about these matters, you may just as well be quiet now.

          • DGCJ

            You’re extremely religious as well as arrogant, dogmatic, uneducated and ignorant

          • Bingo

            Nope. I hate religion. You are the arrogant one, spending hours upon hours visiting multiple Christian sites, also suing the account DGJC, just to troll and aggravate good, God-loving people.

            Evil. That’s not the behaviour of one who is educated. It is the behaviour of the ignorant.

          • DGCJ

            You are religious. Embrace it.

          • Bingo

            I am a Christian, but religion is far from me.

          • DGCJ

            Suing?

          • DGCJ

            Behavior has no “u.” You’ve been educated about that already. Stop making the same error.

          • Bingo

            Your ignorant behaviour reveals that you think the lazy American spelling is top dog. It isn’t. Get over 5-year-old self.

          • DGCJ

            False.

          • Bingo

            Oh, but it is the truth, and you WILL discover that, hopefully not too late.

          • DGCJ

            If your god created everything, he also created homosexuality. For some mysterious reason, the same percentage of the population every year is born homosexual. Perhaps you and your god aren’t as in touch as you thought?

          • Bingo

            God didn’t create sin! Satan is the author of your sin of homosexuality. It is demonic. No one is born that way. Demons infest people through their experiences in life, and often early life traumas.

          • DGCJ

            Your god creates homosexuals

          • Bingo

            God creates only good things. Satan comes along and perverts them…homosexuals included.

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuality isn’t a sin and I thought all humans were born sinners. Backtracking!!! Make up your mind

          • Bingo

            No backtracking. We are all born sinners, but the particular sin one becomes addicted to is both man’s and Satan’s doing…not God’s.

          • sandraleesmith46

            The operative word there being ” claim”. Show us the fruits of their faith as Christians. Tell us which Christ they actually follow. My Jesus is very much always ve and well. We don’t “think” “our” way is anything; we believe and KNOW that God’s way is the only way. And your pathetic snipe is “proof” only of how lost you are still.

          • DGCJ

            Your Jesus is actually dead. Hate to break it to you.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Wrong again. My Jesus is very much alive.

          • DGCJ

            Nope. Keep dreaming

          • DGCJ

            Sorry, I’m quite found, and I was born correct the first time. No need to be born again.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Sorry, God says otherwise. You, just like every human being ever born, were born into sin, possessing a sin nature, and in dire need of repentance to redemption and salvation, same as all the rest of us.

          • DGCJ

            Yawn

          • DGCJ

            This seems like a no-brainer (no pun intended), but research shows that the more religious you are the less intelligent and educated. I was astounded to know that this is also true of level of IQ. In other words, if you have a lower IQ you are more likely to be religious-ouch!

            http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.html

            If you believe in god, you are more likely to be less intelligent than those of us who do not believe:
            A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades
            has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than
            non-believers. A piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies.

            According to the studyentitled, ‘The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations’, published in the ‘Personality and Social Psychology Review’, even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

            Low education level usually goes hand in hand with a tendency to be religious…

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/7729/does-more-educated-really-less-religious.aspx

          • sandraleesmith46

            Really? What’s your IQ, then?

          • DGCJ

            Higher than yours, obviously. I don’t believe in an imaginary friend in the sky. You do.
            I’m the only member of my family to earn a Ph D and teach at four universities from New York to Caliornia.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Doubt it. Your hypothesis and those supporting it are incorrect. Mine’s > 140, and I pursued higher education as well.

          • DGCJ

            My IQ is obviously higher than that. I have four published books on the market which have been translated to Korean and Mandarin. I have performed over 60 piano concertos from memory globally. My college teaching is my day job. I speak five languages. You?
            You still believe in an imaginary friend in the sky. I don’t….

          • Bingo

            People with high IQ’s need a little humility with it. Braggarts come off as incredibly deficient in every way.

          • DGCJ

            Wrong. I have a right to brag about my accomplishments, and I’m not ashamed of them. Why should I be?
            I’m sorry you’ve nothing to show for yourself. That’s your problem and fault, not mine. I don’t apologize for my accomplishments in life.

          • Bingo

            No, I am right. You are devoid of humility.

          • DGCJ

            No you are wrong. I hope your grandchild grows up and tells you they were born gay. I can’t wait….

          • Bingo

            Not gonna happen, because Jesus is their Lord and God is watching over them. They are lovely and normal, and have no beef with their parents.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead, and how do you know you don’t have gay grandchildren? My family is as messed up as you in your religion, and yet there are four of us who are gay (me and three cousins).

          • Bingo

            Your family may be messed up but mostly it would be due to the repercussions of your rebellion and your parents’ compromise of the truth. Obviously you have a generational curse going on there.

          • DGCJ

            Almost every family in the world has gay members. There’s no such thing as a family without any homosexuals.

          • DGCJ

            Truth?
            You mean that humans can live 900 years? A LIE!
            That Jesus is alive? A LIE!
            That snakes can talk? A LIE!
            That humans were “created” 6000 years ago? A MAJOR LIE!

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuals are normal. Stop acting as if it’s the most important thing in your life to be the majority orientation. By your ignorant standards geniuses aren’t normal. I can tell you that I would rather be a genius than some “normal” person of “average” intelligence.
            Few are chosen to have the gift of homosexuality. I am one of those lucky few.

          • Bingo

            Normal for being perverse, yes, but not normal in your mindset concerning sexual behaviour and relationships. How can you call yourself normal when you say you hate half the human race: women?

            You are merely kidding yourself, and prove yourself to be one big hypocrite.

          • DGCJ

            Behavior has no “u.”
            Who said I hate women? I had dinner with a lovely woman tonight. You wouldn’t know a lovely person if you were hit over the head by it.

          • Bingo

            You said it. Now you want to deny it. Liar.

          • DGCJ

            I never said, you bald-faced disgusting liar.

          • Bingo

            I do not lie. You said it.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, you lied. I never said I hate women.
            I said that women cannot please men sexually. They lack the proper body part for this.

          • Bingo

            You said you hated women.

            Women were created with everything needed to please their husbands sexually and in every way, and men were created with the same abilities. Homosexuals are maladjusted and perverse and do not appreciate themselves or others the way that God has designed them. It is what perversion is, and it is most definitely sin, and a slap in the face of God, who has established the family as something holy. Only Satan can devise such an ugly way to demean the Father by attacking what family is.

          • DGCJ

            Hypocrite would be a person who says their “religion” is about love, when it’s actually about hate, judgment and condemnation.
            You don’t even read the nonsense you write. You spout off the bullshit you’ve been taught in your church.

          • Bingo

            You said you hate women. You are a hypocrite in claiming to be normal.

          • DGCJ

            I never said I hate women. I hate hateful hypocrites like you.
            Yes, I’m quite normal, but also exceptional. Not everyone can be a genius, nor a homosexual. I’m both.

          • Bingo

            Yes you said you hate women—I read it. You hate women and disrespect them, and you hate children.

            You are far from a genius.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I never said I hate women nor hate children. I said that I wasn’t sent to this planet to breed children, and I don’t support procreation, not in a planet with eight billion humans.
            I’m not only close to be a genius, I am a genius.

          • DGCJ

            I cannot blame your husband for having a stroke. It was his way of getting away from the pain of being with a witch like you.

          • Bingo

            My husband is well, thanks. We are very much in love. He tells me to tell you to hit the road.

          • DGCJ

            Tell your husband he was smart to have a stroke, if anything he doesn’t have to listen to your trap day in day out.

          • DGCJ

            Hit what road? I’m not anywhere near you. You confessed that you aren’t a normal American and you live in another unidentified country, which I believe to be Canada, based on your poor spelling skills.

          • Bingo

            Dumbass.

          • DGCJ

            I’m sure Jesus taught you that word in Sunday school. How special.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus is dead.
            God doesn’t exist.
            That was easy.

          • Bingo

            Jesus lives and God the Father has always been. That is very easy…but for some people who claim to have huge brains, they can’t get past their grey matter for trying.

          • DGCJ

            No, Jesus is dead.
            There is no god.

          • Bingo

            Jesus is alive, and He is God.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, he’s dead.
            There is no god.

          • DGCJ

            You seem to forget that you religious people have lower IQs and less education. Do I need to post those stats again?

          • Bingo

            Most every Christian I know, and that is thousands—is smarter than you.

          • DGCJ

            Most Christians I know didn’t even go to college. Research shows that those who believe in a god are less likely to even graduate from high school, let alone go to college.

          • Bingo

            MANY universities have been established by Christians! Go blow your hot air up someone else’s skirt.

          • DGCJ

            How come 93 percent of the National Academy of Sciences don’t believe in a god?
            It’s because science confirms that there is no such being as a god.

          • Bingo

            93% of them are dumbass atheists, that’s why.

          • DGCJ

            Atheists have more education and more intelligence, calling us dumbass is a non-starter.

          • Bingo

            More made up lies.

          • DGCJ

            I’m waiting for your proof that your god exists..
            Where is it?
            Prove it, or shut up.

          • Bingo

            It’s not for me to prove! It is for God to prove Himself! He is quite able, but you have to sincerely want Him to and ask Him to—and He will.

            So, ask Him and shut up!

          • DGCJ

            If you say a god exists, then prove it. Otherwise, it doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            He exists, and if you want proof, all you need to do is be sincere and ask Him to prove Himself. he loves to do that. If you don’t want to know, then don’t ask.

          • DGCJ

            Classical music lover, you say? If I told you my name you would know me. I won’t reveal my identity, as I’ve had crazy heterosexuals stalk me in the past.
            My CDs have been performed on the radio stations of Israel, Argentina, Germany, Canada and the US. I have performed in 28 countries on every continent but Antarctica. I recently completed my ninth tour of Asia with concerts in Singapore and Thailand and my husband and I took a side trip to Bali for rest.

          • Bingo

            Howdy, Liberace.

          • DGCJ

            Liberace was a real pianist in the early part of his career, and then sold out as a hopeless entertainer to the masses. I actually feel sorry for him. He sold out his talent to simply make money. I would never do something like that. It’s cheap and lowers the aesthetic value of my talent.

          • Bingo

            You’ve already sold yourself out cheaply to the devil—no better than Liberace.

          • DGCJ

            The devil doesn’t exist. I’m way better than Liberace, at least at the piano.

          • Bingo

            I doubt it.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, I’m absolutely a better pianist than Liberace, and he would admit it as well.

          • Bingo

            I disliked him and his abilities.

          • DGCJ

            I disliked Liberace too. He was a cheap entertainer who sold out what little talent he had in order to entertain stupid women.

          • DGCJ

            It’s not an hypothesis, it is a documented and researched fact that overall religious people have lower IQs and less education. I can cut and paste the stats. Just ask

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, it’s propaganda, and as a dutiful indoctrinee, you’ve clearly bought right into it. Believers are not quite the same as “religious” people. I know many “religious” people who like yourself, have denied God, or have no understanding Who He is. Often, also like you, they believe themselves “smarter”. The sad truth is that you’re so “smart” as a group, you’re choosing your own doom, both in this life and the next. It doesn’t need to be that way, but you likely won’t change, in time. So do enjoy what brief time is left, before your fellows ring down the curtain on all humanity.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, sorry that facts scare you. It happens to be a documented fact that religious people have lower IQs and education.
            Deal.

          • DGCJ

            There you go with your typical doom and gloom and judgmentalism. That’s exactly why I was smart enough to reject such and immature message. Any god that destroyed his own creation because they wouldn’t believe in him is a intolerant and immature child. Hardly worthy of worship.

          • sandraleesmith46

            The “doom and gloom” is YOURchoice, and that of those like-minded; not mine or God’s. He would rather you repent. But He will not cross your free will choice, even to save your soul. He doesn’t want mindless automatons. So your fate is in YOUR hands, I merely pointed out the conswquences of the choices you’re currently following are quite unpleasant for the long haul. Since you show no evidence of changing direction, I shake your dust off.

          • DGCJ

            Now you know why straight women prefer being around us gay men rather than hang out with straight men- we’re better looking, in better physical shape and more intelligent. Gay men can hold a conversation beyond beers, babes and ball.

          • Bingo

            Straight weird women maybe, but not normal heterosexual women who appreciate normal men—especially Christians.

          • DGCJ

            Sooner or later you’ll have to cut the cord and let me go. I am not interested in hanging onto a crazy heterosexual hag forever.

          • Bingo

            You cut and run, Bubba, and don’t let the door slam you is the rear when you go. You came as a troll, you leave as a troll.

          • DGCJ

            I’ve had to dismiss four females from my college classes for making unwanted sexual advances towards me.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t repent because I was born homosexual. I celebrate it. Your god is man-made.

          • DGCJ

            I made the wise choice to reject all religions a very long time ago- no regrets.

          • Bingo

            That’s right, you have chosen your rebellion in the spiritual, sexual and social arena.

          • DGCJ
          • DGCJ

            Name your accomplishments, otherwise you’re full of it. Name how many universities you’ve taught at, how many books you’ve published, how many CDs you’ve recorded, how many languages you speak and how many piano concertos you’ve performed from memory in public. Until then, you’re posturing and it’s embarassing you.
            Incidentally, I’m working on my tenth CD and fifth book. I recorded my 9th CD in Slovakia with the Slovak Radio Symphony last May. It’s a piano concerto that was composed specially for me. It was my third world premiere of a concerto.
            Name one accomplishment of yours which is comparable. Just one.

          • Bingo

            All those accomplishments mean a hill of beans in the end. Only those who love God and glorify Him will have a great eternity with rewards on what they have done for Him. Those who deny Jesus Christ will have nothing, and will be stripped of everything and cast away forever.

          • DGCJ

            All of my accomplishments will keep my legacy and my life in the memory of the world. You will be forgotten as nothing more than a baby factory.

          • Bingo

            That’s only a self-aggrandizing pipe dream.

            I will be ruling and reigning in the world with Jesus Christ, forever.

          • DGCJ

            You will be happily forgotten. Can’t wait.

          • Bingo

            God has promised to give me and all His children a place of honour in His Kingdom. Can’t wait.

          • DGCJ

            The word honor has no “u.”
            God doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            God lives and will be your Judge soon.

          • DGCJ

            God is a creation of men. No such being has ever existed. Mankind made god(s) in their own image. I dislike the god the Christians created. He’s an immature playground bully, who is intend on death and destruction. He’s an evil creation.

          • Bingo

            You are the evil one. God is ONLY good and AWESOME.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist.

          • Bingo

            Oh yes He does! You will be meeting Him face-to-face one day soon! you won;t like it, but you will have to bow before Him and declare Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. Can’t wait to witness that.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, he doesn’t. Prove it.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, I won’t be bowing to anyone. Not your man-made god, for sure.

          • Bingo

            You won’t have a choice but to bend your knee before the King of kings, Jesus Christ.

          • DGCJ

            HAHAHAHA!
            Pathetic hateful old hag.

          • DGCJ

            There you go with your immature judgementalism and condemnation.
            Yawn.
            You sound like an ignorant street preacher that everybody laughs at. And, you wonder why so many people are leaving your religion?

          • DGCJ

            At least I’ve lived a fulfilling and happy life, and I’m still very young. I have many triumphs yet to come that I don’t even know about yet. Your life is near the end and you’ve accomplished nothing. Your life will be inconsequential when you die. It will not have mattered that you lived at all.

          • Bingo

            God says that people who disobey their parents and dishonour them do not live long lives. that is the one commandment He has made with such a promise attached.

          • DGCJ

            Dishonor has no “u.”
            I never disobeyed my parents.
            Your god is a hateful and ignorant playground bully. He needs to grow up.

          • Bingo

            Liar. You dishonoured your parents.

          • DGCJ

            Dishonored doesn’t have a “u.”
            My parents have always been justifiably proud of me. Who wouldn’t be, considering all my vast accomplishments?

          • DGCJ

            If you can’t wait to see your Jesus, why don’t you kill yourself? Just a thought.
            It might make us all better off.

          • Bingo

            You are downright evil. I live for Jesus and I will go to Him when He calls me.

          • DGCJ

            I think the phone just rang and Jesus wants you to come home to glory.

          • Bingo

            Evil homo troll.

          • DGCJ

            Evil hetero troll.
            You’re a militant anti-gay heterosexual activist.

          • Bingo

            Thanks!

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, it’s nominally, but not truly, a “Christian” organization; never was.

          • DGCJ

            I see, so all groups that claim they are Christians aren’t, unless you approve?
            Got it. You’re proving that your religion is man-made. Thanks for agreeing with me.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Not what I said or indicated. Jesus stated flatly that NOT all who claim to have done works in His name, when they come before His judgment seat, will gain access to heaven, that He has never know them. Many who claim to be, ergo, are, in fact, NOT Christians. Not by my judgment, but His, which is what matters. That I know that to be fact doesn’t make me judge or arbiter, merely something akin to town crier, warning that all is not well.

          • DGCJ

            So only those who agree with you are real Christians?
            Got it.
            Yawn

          • DGCJ

            I’m far less ignorant than you. I have been around the world. You have not. Clearly. Tutu is world recognized. You can mention his name on any continent, and he will instantly be known as a world leading Christian theologian. You are nothing.

          • ThePhoenixRises

            DGCJ also posts as DGJC. He/it claim to be PhD educated (music/piano) and SOOOOO much more intelligent than everyone else (this is on Liberty Alliance in “The kids from Homosexual marriages are not all right” thread) yet felt the need to post THIRTEEN “rebuttals” to just one post I made. He/it is FLAGRANTLY homosexual and proud of it. He/it also resorts to phony statistics and insults as soon as anyone disagrees with something he/it says.

            Like claiming that AIDS infects mostly heterosexuals and was around in the NINETEEN THIRTIES(!) The former was proven false with stats from the CDC, the later is obviously false on the face of it, but a poster there went to the trouble to scan medical articles from the 1930’s, 40’s, 50’s and 60’s and could find no reference to AIDS under any name.

            He/it comes fully loaded with every fallacious argument known to man.

            You can safely dismiss him/it.

          • WelderChick

            Just emailed you

          • ThePhoenixRises

            ok

          • Bingo

            I can and I will. Thank you. I am in good company, it seems!

          • ThePhoenixRises

            Yes. He/it does provide entertainment though.

          • Bingo

            Not the kind of entertainment I like, though!

          • ThePhoenixRises

            Sigh. Sometimes I’m not as good a Christian as I should be.

          • Bingo

            If you are indeed a Christian, you are like most of us—in need of growth. God is patient and kind and still blesses us when we don’t deserve it. Just put one foot in front of the other, devoting your days to Him, and let Him work in and through you. He sees your heart’s desire and your intent.

            Blessings to you.

          • ThePhoenixRises

            Thank you. Same to you.

          • Bingo

            Antichrist.

          • DGCJ

            No such being exists.

          • Bingo

            That’s another lie.

            1 John 2:22
            And who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist.

          • Bingo

            Indoctrination isn’t smart. Knowing Jesus is.

          • DGCJ

            Religion isn’t smart. It mean lower IQ and education.

          • Bingo

            Philippians 3:19
            They are headed for destruction. Their god is their appetite, they brag about shameful things, and they think only about this life here on earth.

          • DGCJ

            Quoting the bible isn’t helping your case

          • Bingo

            It is mounting the case of the truth of God against you so that you can never say to God when you are hauled up in front of Him that you never knew.

            John 3:16
            For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

            Romans 10:9-10
            that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

          • DGCJ

            What does quoting bible verses, which mean absolutely nothing to me, have to do with our discussion of sexual orientation? Where is sexual orientation mentioned in your bible? Please enlighten me. And, were did Jesus state that he thinks homosexuality is a sin? Enlighten me, oh wise one. Eyes roll… If you quote from the Corinthians you’re quoting from someone who didn’t know Jesus, or never even met him. Invalid.

          • Bingo

            Hey, troll, this discussion isn’t about sexual orientation. Read the article…if you can.

          • DGCJ

            I’m not interested in this article, and didn’t read it, nor will I. I came here because I wanted to educate you on sexual orientation. Your friends at Charisma prevented me from completing my mission, which is why I came here. I’m not even on that thread. I’m on my profile page. I didn’t even know what the article was about, nor do I care. I clicked on your profile page and found site where I’m not blocked.

          • Bingo

            You’ve simply offered solid proof that you are an internet troll, and a stalker.

            So long.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, not a troll. I’m an educator. Like it or not, you’ve learned some things from me. You just won’t admit it.

          • Bingo

            You couldn’t teach your way out of a wet paper bag.

          • DGCJ

            I’ve taught at four universities, quite successfully, thanks. And, two of them were Catholic schools which knew I was gay.

          • DGCJ

            You and I both know that you’ve learned from me. Continue to be in denial all you want, that’s just a fact.

          • DGCJ

            You didn’t know that some straight men do gay adult movies for money and they aren’t homosexuals.

          • DGCJ

            I honestly wish you had been with me on Valentine’s Day. My husband and I attended the marriage of two men. It was officiated by Presbyterian and Episcopal minsters, due to the two grooms attending different churches. What struck both my husband and myself was the “ordinariness” of the whole thing. There were children running around, but the vast majority of attendees were over 60 and heterosexual. We actually felt a little like the minority because there was only one table of gay men at the reception. There were over 200 guests. It was a true sign of how this issue has changed since we got married seven years ago. During the ceremony they celebrated communion, in the Episcopal tradition, and the Presbyterian minster gave a wonderful and funny homily. It was a special day. Too bad you’re too narrow minded for such a thing. The food was amazing. The best food I’ve ever had at a wedding. Very posh.

          • Bingo

            Too bad God wasn’t there. The communion rite was a farce.

          • DGCJ

            According to the two clergymen, your god was indeed there and blessed the union. They ought to know.

          • Bingo

            His presence was not there. I can guarantee that He would never bless a farcical union of that sort. He is grieved by it. Your so-called “clergymen” are unbelievers.

          • DGCJ

            Those clergymen said he was there, so he was there. You’re an arrogant, obstinate a-hole.

          • Bingo

            They are believing lies. Although God is omnipresent, He was not there to bring blessing, but far from the ridiculous spectacle. This is not spoken from arrogance but from the standpoint of truth.

            Proverbs 15:29
            The Lord is far from the wicked,
            but he hears the prayers of the righteous.

            Everything you stand for and speak on these pages you post on is from the heart of wickedness and utter defiance of God and His word. Therefore, you come with hatred and complete arrogance.

          • DGCJ

            Quoting bible verses invalidates your statements. And if your god is omnipresent and all powerful why did he allow so many interpretations of him to happen?

          • Bingo

            God’s word is truth, and my statements support it. God allows sin to proliferate because this world’s prince is Satan, and we human beings have given him dominion, rather than we ourselves, who were given dominion in the first place. People of God are taking it back bit by bit, until Jesus comes again and then He will finish the job. There is only ONE word of God and ONE interpretation of His truth.

          • DGCJ

            God never uttered a word. Not one.

          • DGCJ

            Sin is man-made.
            Satan is man-made.
            God is man-made.

          • Bingo

            One Day you’ll find out that is a lie.

          • DGCJ

            You’re just illustrating why your religion is so phony. It’s man-made and subjective. If your religion were true, there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about what constitutes a sin. It’s open to interpretation, which translates as: man-made.
            You’re not very bright, are you?

          • Bingo

            Blatant sin like homosexuality is not open to interpretation.

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuality isn’t a sin. Archbishop Desmond Tutu said “Anyone who says homosexuality is a sin is operating at a fifth grade level of understanding of the bible. My god is not a homophobe.”

          • Bingo

            God hates it, so it is sin. Tutu is not a Christian.

          • DGCJ

            Tutu is a world respected theologian. You’re an ordinary housewife

          • Bingo

            Tutu is not a Christian, nor is he respected among Christians for his views. As for me, you haven’t a clue.

          • DGCJ

            Tutu is indeed world respected as a theologian. You are nothing, just a housewife who isn’t even American.

          • Bingo

            Tutu is not a Christian, and therefore is not respected by Christians.

          • DGCJ

            Tutu is one of the world’s most respected Christian theologians, and I’ve met in him in New York City. He’s a good man, although delusional because he still believes in an imaginary sky daddy. I don’t.

          • DGCJ

            How do you define Christian? Are you trying to redefine the word Christian? It means someone who follows Christ. Therefore, you are wrong. Even Mormons are Christians.

          • Bingo

            A Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord, and is walking with Him—someone who is reborn spiritually by God’s free gift of righteousness.

            Mormons worship another Jesus, and follow their false prophet, Joseph Smith, and therefore are not Christians.

          • DGCJ

            The word Savior has no “u.”
            Another Jesus? Which one is that?
            You’re just confirming what I’ve been saying all along:
            Religion is man-made. Your god doesn’t exist. Every culture created their own god(s) in their own image.

          • DGCJ

            I was born right the first time (homosexual). No need for rebirth.

          • DGCJ

            Homosexuality is a biological gift. That’s what I was born with. Your religion is a personal choice, which I rejected at age 14.

          • DGCJ

            I can say you’re not a Christian, as well. In fact, you exemplify the very opposite of what Christ taught. You’re hatred for me is palpable. You live to hate people. You are a pathetic creature. No wonder your husband had a stroke.

          • Bingo

            Actually you are the hateful one, here. I am merely defending Jesus Christ, and my brother, Rick Warren.

          • DGCJ

            Your brother? I didn’t know you were one of the Warrens. Fascinating.

          • DGCJ

            Incidentally, the word Savior has no “u.”

          • DGCJ

            He was there and he blessed them. You’re one of those phony Christians who think that anyone who doesn’t belong to your sect is an apostate. You’re no different from ISIS.

          • Bingo

            No, Satan was there and he was laughing. I belong to God, but in your preoccupation with personal wealth, sexual perversity and the god of mammon, you have missed out on all that God has for you.

          • DGCJ

            Satan doesn’t exist, nor does your imaginary god.

          • DGCJ

            I could care less about wealth. I have something that the most wealthy men on the planet lack: musical talent.

          • Bingo

            Rubbish.

          • DGCJ

            I hope that some day you have a gay child or grandchild. That will change your tune real fast. It happened with my parents. My mother used to be a militant anti-gay, until she realize I was gay, as are three of my cousins on her side of the family. It’s karma when a gay child is born to someone like you. You deserve it, if only to teach you why you’re so wrong.

          • Bingo

            It won’t happen. Jesus is our Lord around here.

          • DGCJ

            I innately know that homosexuality is a biological gift. I knew that even when you people were preaching that it was a sin. I’m smart you’re not.

          • Bingo

            It’s really a sign of complete spiritual dissipation for one to say that their homosexuality is a gift! Actually it is a Pandora’s box handed to you by Satan himself, and it will gain you entrance to the gates of hell.

            You are definitely not smart.

          • DGCJ

            Yep, homosexuality is a biological gift. Or did you forget that I have higher cognitive functions, superior spatial memory, and verbal skills. As a result of my biological gift I have a larger pen is and brain.

          • Bingo

            Depravity knows no bounds, I see.

          • DGCJ

            You’re the depraved and delusional one

          • DGCJ

            I’m highly intelligent. I have a Ph D. You don’t.

          • Bingo

            No you aren’t. Your Ph D is wasted on your poor character. You are a braggart, whose values are in material things and the mind, which will return to dust one day. You need to put your trust in Jesus Christ, and accept His gift of eternal life–along with his kind of humility.

          • DGCJ

            I could care less about material things. I’m interested in spiritual matters. That’s why I’m a musician.

          • Bingo

            You are spiritually bankrupt, friend.

          • DGCJ

            You believe in an imaginary sky daddy. You’re definitely not smart. You quickly forgot that those who believe in a god have lower IQs and less education.

          • Bingo

            Your god is your puny brain. It will die one day. Not too smart.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist except in your pea brain.

          • DGCJ

            My parents are rightfully extremely proud of me. They should be, since iw done the best of anyone in our family. They didn’t have enough pride to refuse the downpayment on their home which I gave them. They also weren’t too proud to accept the trips I gave them to Europe, Thaliand, the Caribbean and an Alaska cruise.

          • Bingo

            You bought their approval. Wimps.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, we have bought nothing. This isn’t about money. The Catholic church and Mormons tried to buy a ban on my marriage. It backfired on them.

          • Bingo

            You bought your parents’ approval. Sad.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, my parents loved me unconditionally. They did commit child abuse by forcing Jesus down my throat three times a week, however. Indoctrinating children into religion is a form of child abuse and shouldn’t be tolerated.

          • Bingo

            You obviously wore them down and they caved to their principles. Typical of many parents who just cannot stick to what is right because their spoiled children have manipulated them by their own conditional love.

          • DGCJ

            So, will you promise me that henceforth you will not make the specious and fallacious claim that human beings choose their sexual orientation and that it can be changed? There exists no scientific evidence that either point is valid. In fact, it is quite to the contrary. We know with 100 percent certainty that humans are born homosexual and it cannot be changed.

          • Bingo

            Lies.

          • DGCJ

            Liar

          • Bingo

            Actually, you have fallen victim to the lies you now believe and are spreading. There is a penalty for that.

          • DGCJ

            I have said no lies. You claim gays choose to be gay. Prove it. I can prove otherwise.

          • Bingo

            You believe the lies of the enemy of God, and you cannot prove anything.

          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist, how can it have enemies?

          • Bingo

            He has you, and the spirit who runs you, among many others.

          • DGCJ

            Funny thing is, you won’t even listen to the people on your side of the fence. Even the ex-gays admit they are still homosexual and it’s not a choice nor changeable. They have said it on national TV, and apologized to the gay community for the harm they’ve done. Good people have committed suicide because of this, and people like you have blood on your hands for it.

          • Bingo

            Lies. They are not good people.

          • DGCJ

            You’re not a good person

          • Bingo

            Ad hominem.

          • DGCJ

            As if you’ve not done the same. Please. Spare me your drama, hateful one.

          • Bingo

            Nope. You have come here to cause strife because of the hatred in your heart. There is a better way, and it comes from knowing Jesus.

          • DGCJ

            I have no hatred for you it is the reverse. You hate homosexuals and fear homosexuality. All because you misunderstand a man-made book.

          • Bingo

            No, you work for one who hates, the father of lies. But because my Father is one who loves, I am commissioned to speak the truth, because of love. The enemy of God will chew you up and spit you out. That’s a sure thing, DGCJ. You can have real peace and real love and real joy in your life and for eternity with Jesus in it, instead of he contrived, grasped for bits of momentary and perverse pleasure you have desperately clutched at in this life.

          • Bingo

            You are trolling and you accuse me? LOLOL!

          • DGCJ

            Nope, not a troll. Try again.

          • Bingo

            Yep, troll.

          • DGCJ

            Nope, educator

          • DGCJ

            I learned that from you

          • Bingo

            You’ve been doing it for years.

          • DGCJ

            Any parent that tells a gay child that they are a sinner because they are homosexual should be arrested for child abuse.

          • DGCJ

            Buh bye, and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

          • DGCJ

            Your problem is that you’re trying to get your scientific knowledge from your bible. In biblical days they thought the earth was flat and humans could live 900 years. Not the brightest bunch on the planet.

          • Bingo

            You are so sadly misinformed for a genius.

          • DGCJ

            I’m very well informed and educated. I scare you, as I should. I dismantle your beliefs quite nicely.

          • Bingo

            You are not well informed. From here on I will just be flagging your responses.

          • DGCJ

            I’m well informed, thanks. And, your behavior is typical of your ilk. You want me silenced because I speak the truth. I would never do that to you. In fact, people like you make my case for me. Your irrational and overly emotional responses to me are obviously motivated by fear and hatred of homosexuals/homosexuality. Seek therapy.

          • Bingo

            Well, your ILK will always be with us—loud and garish and obscene, and we will always stand up to that sort, and the lies they stand for.

          • DGCJ

            You’re losing to our sort and you know it. That’s why your ilk is very unpopular and will continue to be so.

          • Bingo

            I have already won. I am a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven, and eternal kingdom. Your little kingdom is nothing, and is already defeated.

          • DGCJ

            No, you have lost.

          • Bingo

            We are a mighty army! We have already won the war.

          • DGCJ

            HAHAHHA! No, you’ve lost. And, the public is now firmly on my side and against you.

          • Bingo

            The secular world is at enmity with God and righteousness. I am in the best company—Jesus Christ has already won.

          • DGCJ

            HAHAHA! Cute, but stupid.

          • Bingo

            I don’t think you can grasp how stupid your views are…they will get you nowhere in the end. Judgment will be a horrific event for those who deny and defy the God who loves them.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t believe in an imaginary sky daddy. You do.
            Who is the stupid one?
            Religion is a perversion of your mind.

          • DGCJ

            There you go with your judgmentalism again. Typical.

          • Bingo

            Christians don’t follow Jesus Christ to be popular. We are promised by God that we will be hated. You are fulfilling that promise.

            I am blessed!

          • DGCJ

            You are bringing hatred onto yourself. Blame yourself not me.

          • Bingo

            Standing up for righteousness will always bring out trollish behaviour in the simpleminded.

            I am blessed indeed! Thank you, Jesus!

          • DGCJ

            Behavior has no “u.”

          • Bingo

            It most certainly does.

          • DGCJ

            Not in normal American English it doesn’t. My computer’s spell check underlines this as incorrect spelling: behaviour

          • Bingo

            It’s a great thing to not have to use spell-check. That’s one of my many talents.

          • DGCJ

            You have no talents, because you think the word behavior has a “u.” Not in my world it doesn’t. You’re on an American website. Learn to write in proper American English. Otherwise, get lost.

          • DGCJ

            When I’m in the UK, I spell like the British. This website is in the USA. Learn to spell properly, or get off.

          • Bingo

            You are the epitome of the “ugly American”.

          • DGCJ

            You are the epitome of angry, unhappy and hateful Christian.

          • DGCJ

            I’m quite attractive, thanks, which is exactly why I’ve had to dismiss four female students from my college classes for making unwanted sexual advances towards me.

          • DGCJ

            If I’m ugly, please explain why all the straight men are now copying my look, which I’ve had for decades. Why do they want to look like me? They also act like me.

          • DGCJ

            When will you present proof that humans choose to be homosexual? I’m waiting. I’ve proven otherwise. Even the ex-gays say otherwise. They say it’s not a choice, and you can’t change it, not even with Jesus.

          • DGCJ

            I’m still waiting for your proof that humans can change their sexual orientation.
            Waiting
            Waiting
            Waiting
            Waiting
            Waiting
            Waiting

          • DGCJ

            I can prove that humans cannot change their sexual orientation and it’s something we are born with.

          • DGCJ

            I’ve already proven that gays and straights differ biologically. Was this a choice? NO!

          • DGCJ

            Great, stick your finger in your ear and pretend you’re not hearing me. So mature… Eyes roll.

          • Bingo

            Flag.

          • DGCJ

            Bully

          • DGCJ

            You talk about the bible as the source of all your moral standards. Well, that’s a bad source, given this list:

            (OT) Exodus 12:29 (Child Abuse)
            (OT) Exodus 21:7 (Slavery, Against the rights
            of women)
            (OT) Exodus 21:20-21 (Slavery)
            (OT) Leviticus 25:44-46
            (Slavery)
            (OT) Numbers 23:19 (God Never Lies)
            (OT) Numbers 31 (Genocide,
            Slavery, Against the rights of women, Rape)
            (OT) Deuteronomy 22:28-29
            (Rape)
            (OT) 2 Samuel 6:6-7 (God kills an innocent man because he was TRYING
            TO HELP)
            (OT) 2 Samuel 12:11 (Rape)
            (OT) Psalms 137:9 (Child
            Abuse)
            (OT) Proverbs 26:4-5 (Contradiction and possible Paradox)
            (OT)
            Zechariah 14:1-2 (Rape)
            (OT) Malachi 3:6 (God Never Changes)
            (NT) 1
            Corinthians 14 (Against the rights of women)
            (NT) 1 Timothy 2 (Against the
            rights of women)
            (NT) Titus 2:9 (Slavery)
            (NT) 1 Peter 2:18 (Slavery)
            [Counter to “Slavery wasn’t bad back then”]
            (NT) Revelation 9:4-6
            (Torture)
            (NT) Matthew 5:17-20 (Jesus saying that all the Quotes I gave are
            THE LAW, The Word of God, and NOT to be ignored in any way)

            [Bible Quotes
            I find funny]

            (NT) Matthew 7:12 (Jesus says Morality is Subjective)

          • le

            I’m not sure where you got that reply from. Please show me scripturally, where you came up with all that. I gave scripture showing that he isn’t supposed to back down.

            I hate to tell you my friend, but God’s word says that the church will be SMALL when the time comes. Nor, I’d love to see you show, that having a large building filled with lots of people proves anything that is inside another person’s heart. While I’m sure you’re probably getting the drift, let me spell it out.

            The bible doesn’t speak about a great ‘amount’ of fruit. It speaks knowing of your fruits. Those fruits are NOT determined by the size of your building, or the attendee’s to the building. If it were, then by golly, the vast majority of pastors apparently aren’t men of God are they ? Considering that most churches are under 100 people, based on your definition above, they must be misfits or bad fruit.

            Sorry, I see no scriptural reference to anything you’ve stated.

          • Bingo

            Do you not grasp the role of a pastor, or understand the power of the Holy Spirit’s anointing? The pastor’s first responsibility under God is to the sheep given to him to care for. That is precisely Rick’s job and he is expressing that very sentiment in this article. It seems to just fly over most people’s heads.

            Please refer me to scripture that announces that the Body of Christ will be small or weak when He returns.

            Nowhere have I equated the power of God’s anointing on spiritual leaders with a large church group. It seems you consider that a large church is not due to the blessing of God? Do you not realize that the Lord sends people to churches where they will be loved and nurtured in the things of God? Do you not believe that God sends people to the churches that please Him and tones He finds trustworthy? Is there any wonder why some are large? Most of them are “doing church” right, and in a way that pleases God.

          • le

            Hey Bingo…. Heard of Stephen? Why was he killed? I would think that’s ALL the scripture you need. Was anyone else killed for their beliefs that conflicted with the constabulary of their time? Negative!

            You still didn’t show scripturally where he is to back down. He’s to be a light to the world. The light doesn’t mean you back down when someone doesn’t like what you say or do. You don’t hide in a corner and say… oh my goodness. I shouldn’t have said that and not be stoned to death!

            And again, I will ask where I said that his first priority wasn’t his congregation. You won’t because it’s not there!

            I believe that God does in fact allows and sends people to churches and non-churches. Large and small. I believe God allows for pastors and wolves. I believe God in his infinite wisdom and for His Glory, does many things, but that doesn’t mean that one person or another is this or is that based on the size of a congregation, the selling of a book or anything else.

            There was once a man named Norman Vincent Peale. He had a very large following, He had a fairly large congregation, and sold many books. Maybe even one you’ve read. However, but he used a lot of New Ageism and psychology than anything else. The name of Jesus wasn’t mentioned in his books that I can remember, but just God. He was a pastor if I’m not mistaken as well. Peale is mentioned by many a NAger today like Blanchard, Oprah, Neil Walsch, etc….

            Guess who else mentions him highly?

          • Bingo

            Rick Warren has a duty toward the sheep given him to care for. If you don’t think that is a major priority, then it’s no wonder that you cannot grasp the role of pastor.

          • le

            I see you continue to post it, but you don’t show proof opposing what has been said. I can give you a number of scriptures that state and show like the one above where the Apostles and pastors stated things opposing those in power at that time. Most died according to what we know because of their beliefs, which INCLUDED speaking out against those things.

            So, while I will again repeat again for possible understanding…. pastors first and foremost concern is their flock. However, that does not and never has EXCLUDED their duty to speak against the ills of society.

            And, if you are a pastor… you should understand that.

          • Bingo

            Pastor Warren’s priority is his flock, which he was instructing by video—as is his right. It is also his privilege to be able to instruct them and to preach publically about the ills of society, which he does.

            However, the way in which people speak about Mr. Warren is evil and is fueled by a spirit of envy and murmuring, which comes from Satan, who would love nothing more than to destroy him.

            John 10:10
            The thief’s purpose is to steal and kill and destroy. My purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.

          • le

            He spoke publically against the ills of society.
            He instructed his flock on the ills of socity

            Your point makes his retraction or decision to back down worse! Please show from scripture that he is to back down when he is confronted for making a public statement.

            Again, remembering the ills of society and the public and flockish statements made by the Apostles Paul, Stephen, Peter, etc….

            The Apostle Paul comes to mind. Many times he spoke against not just the spiritual rulers of his day, but also debated those who were NOT part of any church he started or was a part of.

          • Bingo

            He retracted nothing. You people just can’t seem to read a simple article and glean the simple truth out of it, but would much rather take any little thing and use it to bash someone with. It’s just idiotic—and sick.

          • James S Laroche

            not one soul shall enter without the blood of Jesus tell me bingo what is “chrislam and why does this come from rick warren? he has sold out to Satan be not deceived he comes preaching a different gospel as written let him be accursed

          • Bingo

            You’ve been bamboozled by the enemy, falling victim to gossip.

          • DGCJ

            Satan is man-made. No such being exists. Your phony religion is man-made. Get some education.

          • DGCJ

            Christianity equals hypocrisy.
            That’s what your religion is all about.
            I was taught as a child that drinking wine was a “sin,” and yet the Catholics drink it in church every time they have a mass. I asked by father about that, and he told me that Catholics weren’t Christians and were going to hell. Right then and there I realized the whole thing was a bunch of crock. I’m smart that way.

          • Bingo

            Yeah…real smart.

          • DGCJ

            It wasn’t just the hypocrisy of your religion that turned me off to it. It was reading the bible cover to cover which turned me into a non-believer.

          • James S Laroche

            tell me who shall save your soul? let not the evil of a few men take heaven from you even you say hypocrisy ! tell us how then shall we walk by what means shall we have forgiveness of sin. sir you are in the world without God and without hope. today turn and repent show how we ought to walk that does not appear as hypocrisy . i stand before my God crying abba father for your mercies endure forever.Jesus so loved us yet all men appear as living in hypocrisy . yes we cry have mercy oh Lord to you heaven is but a prayer away i invite you to join the family of God in Jesus name receive the Hope we hope in even life eternal in Jesus our God

          • DGCJ

            Your god doesn’t exist. Heaven doesn’t exist. You have a mental illness. You are delusional and hearing voices. Seek help!

          • DGCJ

            This seems like a no-brainer (no pun intended), but research shows that the more religious you are the less intelligent and educated. I was astounded to know that this is also true of level of IQ. In other words, if you have a lower IQ you are more likely to be religious-ouch!

            http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.html

            If you believe in god, you are more likely to be less intelligent than those of us who do not believe:
            A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades
            has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than
            non-believers. A piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies.

            According to the studyentitled, ‘The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations’, published in the ‘Personality and Social Psychology Review’, even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-according-to-analysis-of-scores-of-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-8758046.html

            Low education level usually goes hand in hand with a tendency to be religious:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/7729/does-more-educated-really-less-religious.aspx

          • It’s the people that are hypocrites – not THE HOLY BIBLE.
            THE HOLY BIBLE has a lot of history in it – that has recorded many evils that others have done to people who chose to OBEY GOD.

          • DGCJ

            God said nothing. Your man-made bible is subjective and open to interpretation which is why Christianity has dozens of sects which don’t agree on what constitutes a sin.

          • I understand your perception – however – there is only ONE TRUE WAY to INTERPRET THE HOLY BIBLE – it is the other ways that have led people astray – because they choose to cherry pick verses and cling onto sins – they like to cling to.

            However – if you put me to YOUR TEST ???
            I GUARANTEE you will AGREE 100% with me and I can back it all up with FACTS, PROOFS and TRUTH.

          • DGCJ

            Every Christian decides for themselves what is a sin an what isn’t, dumb dumb. A growing number of Christians do not believe homosexuality is a sin. Most Christians are ignorant of the fact that the two Hebrew words that were mistranslated as “sin” actually mean: culturally discouraged. No Jew thinks that eating shrimp or getting a haircut are sins.
            What stupid people like you don’t understand is that your bible is not clear on anything let alone what is a sin and what isn’t. Some of you own guns, which clearly violates the Ten Commandments.

          • 1.) your first statement is a total lie and totally WRONG.
            GOD THE CREATOR has CLEARLY and PRECISELY STATED what sin is …. and in a small definition ….

            anything that’s against LOVING GOD and LOVING your neighbout as Yourself – is against GOD and is a sin ….

            PLAIN P.E.R.I.O.D. – it’s that SIMPLE.

            Now .. you can bring any doctrine you like …
            I have FACTS, PROOFS and TRUTHS to back up what I have done and said …….

            It looks like you’ve been duped to believe everyone who claims to be christian – to be a christian … and as long as you believe that lie ? You yourself will be within a lie, and just spreading more lies .. like your first statement ……

            I say CLEAR, PLAIN and SIMPLE
            man doesn’t change what GOD THE CREATOR has said.
            man only changes his own mind – to accept that which is no of THE CREATOR.

          • Bingo

            He doesn’t read such posts–nobody’s home.

          • Please. I AM speaking TRUTH to this person – why don’t you go away – and leave them along and leave me alone.

            No wonder you don’t and won’t attempt to introduce anyone to CHRIST – because you bash them first and continue to bash them – you are filled with demonic, evil, satanic and wickedness.

            jezebel spirit has a hold of you – you are obsessed with controlling and manipulating …. go find JESUS you hater.

          • Bingo

            ROFL! I’m no Jezebel, but you, as a man, are. Did you know men can also have the Jezebel spirit?

            I’ve led people to Christ. Have you?

          • I didn’t say you were a jezebel – I said you are controlled by the jezebel spirit ….. and you’re leading people away from CHRIST on this WHOLE THREAD – just because they disagree with your golden calf god idol rick warren

          • Bingo

            I know exactly what you meant, and it is a lie of the devil. You are pointing people away from Christ by your ridiculous rants.

          • DGCJ

            You’re stupid.
            You clearly have a low IQ and lack of education. Not worth responding to.

          • naw – you just want to believe and trust – that anyone and everyone who claims to be a christian – is actually a christian

            and if you believe that – then you should have no problem believing me … but you do – because you rebuke, refute and reject THE TRUTH to support your own personal agenda.

          • DGCJ

            If you say that other people aren’t Christian just because they don’t believe as you believe, you’d be wrong. ANYONE who believes in Jesus as their personal savior is a Christian. That’s what your bible says. Not my opinion.

          • You’re using partial information – not COMPLETE and WHOLE INFORMATION …

            “”If you say that other people aren’t Christian just because they don’t believe as you believe, you’d be wrong.””

            No. I wouldn’t be wrong as long as I REMAIN LINED UP with SCRIPTURES.

            “” ANYONE who believes in Jesus as their personal savior is a Christian.””

            That is TRUE – BUT ???
            There are many non-christians who claim to be christians – and claim JESUS as their personal savior – but they are liars and are only using that for a status in life in their imaginary world.

            “” That’s what your bible says. Not my opinion.””

            satan BELIEVES IN JESUS and knows JESUS …. he still ain’t no christian.

          • DGCJ

            If you think homosexuality is a sin, then you aren’t lining up with scriptures. The bible does not refer to homosexuality as a sin.

          • Bingo

            Every mention of homosexuality in the bible is that it will gain one hellfire.

          • DGCJ

            Nope. You have a fifth grade level of understanding of your ridiuclous bible. Pathetic.

          • Bingo

            Anyone can tell I am educated. You, on the other hand, yammer on about your so-called accomplishments, but they amount to nothing in the end. It’s stupid for you to claim people don’t know the bible when you reject it out of hand. I know the bible well, and you do not.

          • DGCJ

            Anyone can tell you’re not educated. If you were educated, you wouldn’t believe in a god, which has been disproven by science.

          • Bingo

            Yes, I have education, and the best thing, is that God has given me knowledge and understanding.

          • DGCJ

            No, you lack basic education, even regarding your ridiculous bible.

          • Bingo

            You lack any basis for such a judgment.

          • LADYJEWELL

            We choose to believe God, who created man, who ” think ” they know science

          • DGCJ

            Man created god(s). No such beings exist.

          • LADYJEWELL

            You are terribly wrong here…you obviously do not read the BIBLE

          • DGCJ

            Lady, I read the bible cover to cover at 14. My dad’s an Evangelical minister. Jesus was thrust down my throat from birth till I was 18.
            Isaac Asimov said “the bible is the Atheist’s best defense at proving there is no god.”

          • DGCJ

            Your god never uttered a single word. Your bible was concocted by men

          • My FATHER IN HEAVEN said a lot of words. THE HOLY BIBLE is GOD’S INSPIRED WORD – written by HIS CHOSEN SAINTS, SERVANTS and SOLDIERS – later translated to english …..

          • DGCJ

            HAHAHA!

          • DGCJ

            If there’s only one way to interpret your bible, please explain why there are literally dozens of sects of your religion which all disagree about the interpretation. Obviously, you’re wrong. The strongest proof that all religions are man-made is the fact that every religion is divided into different sects which do not agree. Muslims are currently killing each other because of this. Pay attention. It’s obvious.

          • I’ve already explained this to you in my previous response ….
            Allow me to do it this way – maybe you can comprehend and understand …

            “”If there’s only one way to interpret your bible, please explain why there are literally dozens of sects of your religion””

            As I told you before.

            REPEATING….

            the other ways that have led people astray – because they choose to cherry pick verses and cling onto sins – they like to cling to.

            If you and I agree that 2+2=4 –
            someone comes along and doesn’t like the answer – and would rather it be something else – like 6 or 7

            It’s their right to do that. We have no way of stopping them. It is up to you and I to spread THE TRUTH –
            Those who believe and understand 2+2=4 will know THE TRUTH – those who choose to follow the guy or people who believe it’s 6 or 7 will just be wrong – because they choose not to go along with you and I.

            “” which all disagree about the interpretation.””

            Those who disagree ??? Disagree – but when done THE CORRECT and RIGHT WAY – those who know the CORRECT and RIGHT WAY will know those who are false because they have chosen their own delusional ways instead of the right way.

            “” Obviously, you’re wrong.””

            No … it seems you like lumping people into some small tiny box.

            EXAMPLE –
            knights of the templar were not christians.
            kkk were not christians
            so called founding fathers were not christians.

            yet – people who want to believe they are and were christians – stick with their story – when the proof shows they are and were not christians.

            “” The strongest proof that all religions are man-made is the fact that every religion is divided into different sects which do not agree. “”

            Again – there is only ONE WAY
            those who choose to make up their own ways because they want to cling onto those things GOD THE CREATOR IS AGAINST – are just wrong …

            “”Muslims are currently killing each other because of this. Pay attention. It’s obvious.””

            everyone who claims to be a muslim – is not actually a muslim.
            Just like everyone who claims to be a christian – is not actually a christian

            You need to pay attention. It’s obvious.

          • DGCJ

            Too long, not interested in your idIotic comment. You have a very low IQ and low education level. It’s obvious.

          • Well .. since you want to continue on in childish and immature name calling. I will leave you with this. You are the one with a low IQ and LOW EDUCATION LEVEL – because you’re continuing to call non-christian – christians and using that for your excuse to hate TRUE CHRISTIANITY.

          • DGCJ

            I have an extremely high IQ level. I have three college degrees, including a Ph D. I have taught at four major universities from New York City to California.
            You’ve done none of the above.
            True Christianity is ANYONE who believes in Jesus as their personal savior. That’s what John 3:16 means. Read it again. You cannot tell another Christian they aren’t Christian, you phony hypocrite.

          • Bingo

            Sure, when one is an unbeliever, you can see it.

          • “”I have an extremely high IQ level.””

            So do I. I also have EVIDENCE, FACTS and PROOF ONLINE of my very high IQ. What ONLINE PROOF do you have of your IQ ?

            “” I have three college degrees, including a Ph D. I have taught at four major universities from New York City to California.You’ve done none of the above.””

            Yes I have. Try Cornell University and Alabama State University.

            If you want to get REAL TECHNICAL ? I have SEVERAL DOCTORATE DEGREES – in DIVINITY, SCRIPTURE INTERPRETATION and THEOLOGY

            “”True Christianity is ANYONE who believes in Jesus as their personal savior.””

            That’s TRUE – however – there are many who claim CHRIST to be their savior – but they are liars and are not christians…

            kkk is not a christian organization.
            a Presbyterian section is no longer christian
            slave owners were not christians
            knights of the templar were not christian
            the so called founding fathers ? Were not christians.

            “” That’s what John 3:16 means. Read it again. You cannot tell another Christian they aren’t Christian, you phony hypocrite.””

            If they are TRULY NOT REBORN / SAVED ???
            Putting on an act ? I have EVERY RIGHT to EXPOSE them as not being christian …..

            1 John 4:1
            Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            false prophets are not CHRISTIANS / REBORN / SAVED
            and most of them claim that CHRIST is their personal savior.

            You ? Are a liar and angry because you can’t debunk what I do and say on this post – THUS the reason you went to childish and immature name calling – and now you’ve even turned to lies about me.

            You don’t know anything about me or where I have taught.

          • DGCJ

            Alabama State??? Seriously?
            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaha

          • laugh all you want. I could care less. I AM not here to please you – but I have just proved how much of a childish. immature and lying pervert you are.

          • DGCJ

            You just proved you’re stupid, and have a low IQ. The stuff you believe is no more ridiculous than believing in Santa. You’re a gullible and stupid person. It’s obvious.

          • DGCJ

            Isaac Asimov said “The Christian bible is the Atheist’s best defense at proving there is no god.”

          • Bingo

            ROFL

          • DGCJ

            Not a word

          • Bingo

            ROFL

          • DGCJ

            Your bible says that humans were “created” 6000 years ago. Footprints in Kenya date back 1.4 million years prior to that. How do you explain this discrepancy? I thought your bible was infallible. Oops!

            http://www.france24.com/en/20090227-footprint-found-kenya-anthropology-mankind-homo-sapiens-walked/

          • DGCJ

            You might want to know that your bible contradicts itself more than 1000 times:

            http://www.1001biblecontradictions.com/
            I thought you said your bible was infallible? Oops!

          • 1.) I never stated or used the word infallible – so either you’re lying or you have mistaken me with someone else.

            You can not find anywhere on this thread where I have used the word “”infallible”” – except this ONE TIME where I AM quoting you.

            So … I believe you’re a liar and are lying.

            2.) “”You might want to know that your bible contradicts itself more than 1000 times:””

            No … man’s mis-interpretations who don’t understand GOD, CHRIST, and THE HOLY SPIRIT and how THEY ARE ONE IN SPIRIT and IN TRUTH – is what is flawed. All because they rebuke, refute and reject those who actually have been called by GOD and KNOWS, LOVES and UNDERSTANDS GOD, CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT.

            3.) I can debunk each of those so called contradictions.
            You pick your favorite 3.

            I will debunk them – and prove they are not contradictions.
            However – I AM sure you will not agree – because it’s your agenda to not agree with THE TRUTH because it doesn’t fit your own agenda….

          • DGCJ

            The mere fact that your stupid bible is open to “interpretation” is more than enough proof that your religion is man-made. No god exists. It was created by men.

          • MORE PROOF of your low IQ and lack of education.

            “”The mere fact that your stupid bible is open to “interpretation”””

            1.) why do you teach at a christian school – if the whole school sits on a scam – why ? because you’re a scam
            2.) any written word or words are open to interpretation.
            you really sound more ignorant than ever before – and I AM glad that @yes2freespeach:disqus told me the deal on you and how backwards and wicked you are.

            “” is more than enough proof that your religion is man-made.””

            I don’t dabble or deal in religions …. I deal in THE LIFESTYLE OF CHRIST which is PERFECT.

            “” No god exists. It was created by men.””

            and there we have it ……
            you chose not to choose 3 contradictions from the 1000+ you claimed ….

            and now this … have it your way – knock yourself out.
            I AM done with your ignorance and stupidity and your will to be blind.

          • DGCJ

            Since all the evidence points to Jesus being a gay man, I actually live a more Christ-like lifestyle than you. Your ignorance dazzles me.

          • 1.) nothing is gay about obeying your FATHER
            2.) nothing is gay about CHRIST – just because leonardo painted his boy toy and named it jesus doesn’t make JESUS gay.

            however – I know your problem – and only CHRIST can help you –

          • DGCJ

            First off, Jesus has been dead for two thousand years. He can’t help me, nor anyone else now.
            Secondly, all the evidence points to the fact he was gay. In his time everyone got married. Everyone… The mere fact that he didn’t marry, and he hung out with 12 dudes is enough clues for me. Be in denial all you want, but the evidence is there that Jesus was homosexual.

          • JESUS was only dead for 3 days. GOD THE FATHER RESURRECTED HIM – dummy. JESUS IS ALIVE AND WELL.

          • DGCJ

            Whatever you say, B. If it makes you happy, who am I to disagree?

          • DGCJ

            I’m not the only one who claims Jesus was gay. It’s a pretty common theory:

            http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/295-164/11070-was-jesus-gay-probably

          • JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD is not gay – I don’t care who claims it.

          • DGCJ

            We may never know for sure, but the evidence strongly indicates that Jesus like men, not women.

          • name 3 forms of evidence …..

          • DGCJ

            1 he never married a woman (unheard of for a man his age in his era)
            2 he always hung out exclusively with men, and didn’t prefer to be around women
            3 when he did hang out with women, it was prostitutes (my kind of guy)

          • 1.) HE was and still is THE SON OF GOD – it was not his missioni to get married.
            2.) that’s a lie – HE hung with his disciples so they could carry on after HE was gone.
            3.) that’s a lie – he didn’t hang out with prostitutes – just because one prostitute might have washed his feet you liar.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus probably loved that man-tool he got from his disciples. You’re in denial. It ain’t just a rivuh in Egypt.

          • DGCJ
          • DGCJ

            God doesn’t exist and cannot have a son

          • Bingo

            You won’t be singing that tune when you stand before Him and He throws you into the Lake of Fire.

          • DGCJ

            Who is “Him?”

          • Bingo

            God, the just Judge, who will be judging you for unbelief.

          • ok … and that’s how you feel about it. I have no problem with that. You have your choice and FREEWILL to believe what ever it is you want to believe. Just like I have the right to believe what I want to believe. Right ? or wrong ?

          • DGCJ

            Sure, absolutely. What you are not free to believe is the notion that sexual orientation is a choice and can be changed. Science is unequivocal about that: Human beings cannot choose to be gay or straight and you cannot change what you were born with. The ex-gays agree with that.

          • BULL CRAP – If I want to believe gay is a choice – I can, shall and will. I have that right you lunatic – you don’t tell me what to think ……..I have a right to believe what I want to believe.

          • DGCJ

            You can believe that the earth is flat, and was “created” 6000 years ago, and that Methusela lived 900 years and there is no global warming, but you’re wrong on those issues, as well. Provably so.

          • Bingo

            Yes, it is a choice, and where it seems to not be a choice, it is a demonic stronghold.

          • DGCJ

            If your god requires a “belief” it means it’s man-made.

          • Bingo

            1. Jesus’ ministry was of paramount importance and no marriage would give him full attention to the mission He was on—as Messiah.

            2. Jesus called 12 to be His disciples, but here were women always around, who supported him financially and were His friends.

            3. He did not hang out with prostitutes. He lived and moved through the people, all of whom were sinners of various kinds, bringing healing, freedom and new life to them.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus was gay.

          • Bingo

            Jesus was not homosexual, as homosexual practices are sin.

          • DGCJ

            Well, we don’t exactly have any video of Jesus going down on a man, but regardless of that, we still have strong evidence.
            Someone once insisted that there was no evidence that Leonardo da Vinci was gay. I mean, come on, how naïve can you be? Leonardo was arrested for “buggery,” he lived with a young man for several decades, he never married a woman (unusual for his time period), and his images of men are among the most homoerotic in the history of art (along with Michaelganelo, who was also gay). Michaelangelo wrote love letters to men, but his family suppressed them after his death. The same is true of Tchaikovsky. I’ve read Tchaikovsky’s letters to his gay brother, Modest, and there is no chance he was not a homosexual. He talked about how women made him physically sick and on his wedding night he almost passed out because he was so disgusted by his “faux” wife. He also talked at length about his trysts with men and told his brother who he was attracted to. They spoke in code so that if anyone intercepted their letters they would not understand the letter “X” referred to their mutual homosexuality. Tchaikovsky’s death is still a mystery. The most plausible argument is that he was caught having an affair with the nephew of a top Russian government official and was told that he needed to either commit suicide or be killed. He drank a glass of cholera water and that killed him.

          • just as I thought – your comprehension, education and wisdom is so low – you have to resolve to talking about anyone and everyone else – besides CHRIST and your proof ….

            you’re pathetic.

          • DGCJ

            No, you’re in denial. We don’t need a video of Jesus smoking some man bone to figure out he didn’t like girls. In San Francisco we have “sexy Jesus” competition every year. It’s hot. Google it! It’s all gay men dressing and acting like your Christ. They get all shirtless and sweaty. Yummy!

          • Bingo

            You’re sick. That’s a given.

          • DGCJ

            Religious people have lower IQ and less intelligence. You’re delisional like a little child

          • Bingo

            False. IQ runs the gamut among all people, and Christians are no different. We are not affiliated with any religion, but we have a relationship with Jesus. People with super high IQ’s and people with minimal IQ’s are Christians. There is no such grading of IQ’s regarding the saved.

            Your continual claims reveal a rather low appreciation of truth, which makes your claim to genius rather moot.

          • DGCJ

            Religious people have lower IQs, I proved it.

          • Bingo

            You can’t prove anything.

            Knowing Jesus is a relationship, not a religion. He didn’t come and die and rise again to give us another religion.

          • Renard Johnson

            Bingo why keep going back and forth with that idiot?It’s clear all he wants to do is mock and assert his imagined superiority over anybody who isn’t homosexual.It’s a game to him why play it?He already has all of the answers to all of the questions.If you don’t feed these trolls they go away.

          • Bingo

            Yes, you are right. It’s been that when he stops, I stop, but because of the mania he exhibits, I will have to be the better man (so to speak)! Thank you.

          • Renard Johnson

            That person dgcj is too far gone.He’s one of the lost let him go.Good to hear from you Bingo.

          • Bingo

            Yes, I will do that because you actually offered the advice lovingly. Thank you, brother.

          • Renard Johnson

            God bless you Bingo.

          • Bingo

            god bless you also, Renard, a man strong in wisdom!

          • DGCJ

            If you believe in any kind of god, or Jesus you belong to a religious group. It’s called Christianity, stupid woman.

          • Bingo

            No, I belong to a family, the family of God.

          • DGCJ

            You belong to a family of delusional lunatics. You’re right where you belong.

          • DGCJ

            Saved?

          • Bingo

            Ask your father how you can be saved.

          • DGCJ

            I need no saving.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus just texted me and told me to remind you to shut the hell up.

          • Bingo

            That wasn’t Jesus, as He isn’t talking to you. Satan is, and I don’t do what Satan wants.

          • DGCJ

            Satan doesn’t exist. He’s never texted me. You said Jesus is alive, and you must be right because he keeps texting me.

          • Bingo

            Neither has Jesus texted you, you moron…but you are Satan’s mouthpiece and too dumb to know it.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t believe in an imaginary god. You do. You’re the pathetic one

          • I don’t believe in any imaginary gods – I BELIEVE in THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD – and I have PROOF HE EXISTS. bubye …

          • DGCJ

            If you can prove a god exists, present your proof. So far, human beings have been unable to prove this and it’s been many centuries that you’ve had the chance.

          • I ??? Have not been living for centuries – only 1/2 of a century. Proving it to someone like you ? Is almost impossible because you have your mind made up and it’s in stone – you probably hate GOD THE CREATOR AND FATHER because you’re living in a way HE does not like.

            I’ve seen HIS WORK and about 3 people HEALED right before my eyes. I was even healed several times by THE FATHER through HIS SON CHRIST.

            So…. you ? I wouldn’t waste my time …. because your pride is what stops you from knowing and seeing GOD.

            Just like you can’t see the wind – but you can feel the effects and see the effects.

          • DGCJ

            Yes, you believe in an imaginary god.

          • Bingo

            Who cares about these people? Jesus never sinned.

          • DGCJ

            Jesus was gay

          • Bingo

            That’s impossible because He never sinned.

          • DGCJ

            Yes he did.

          • Bingo

            No, Jesus is sinless, and anyone who clams otherwise is of Satan.

          • DGCJ

            That’s a lie. Jesus took on all the “sins” of humanity whatever you decide they are today.

          • Bingo

            What do you know about it??? Not much, obviously.

          • DGCJ

            I know more than you, that’s for damn sure!

          • Bingo

            No, you cannot know something you’ve NEVER experienced.

          • Bingo

            That’s stupid. It’s obvious you’ve never read the bible.

          • DGCJ

            It’s obvious I did and that’s why I’m an Atheist. Your bible proves that God doesn’t exist

          • Bingo

            It’s obvious you are lying, and must have poor reading comprehension.

          • Bingo

            What garbage.

          • DGCJ

            What garbage?

          • Bingo

            Every putrid, lying word you say.

          • DGCJ

            I don’t say any lies, you do.

          • Bingo

            Everything you’ve ever said here has been a lie. That you believe it to be true just proves that Satan has you by the gonads. Your preacher father should be so, so proud.

          • DGCJ

            Religion: Belief that a god exists

            Delusion: A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.

            Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness

            Therefore: Religious people are mentally ill.

          • belief that GOD exists … that is what you want to call religion ? FINE … let’s go with that.

            FOLLOWING CHRIST is not a religion – it’s following CHRIST.
            There’s PROOF that JESUS actually EXISTED.

            and for the record ? JESUS called the scribes and the pharisees children of satan – because they were religious ….

            but you should know that – with all of your degrees – but OBVIOUSLY you didn’t – so I just WHIPPED you good and now ?

            I AM done with any conversations with your foolery.
            bubye.

          • DGCJ

            If you believe in a god, you are religious. End of story.
            You’re like the Republican on another thread that was claiming that their party isn’t racist. Please….

          • satan believes in GOD ……. not the end of the story as you put it – you’re pathetic.

            and for the record ? the republican party’s core, foundation and roots are racist and wicked.

          • DGCJ