Former Brigham Young University Professor Tells of Mormon Family’s Conversion to Christianity

Wilder ytA former Brigham Young University professor is sharing the story of how she and her husband, along all of with her children, left Mormonism for Christianity through God’s work of grace in their life.

Lynn Wilder is the author of the book Unveiling Grace: The Story of How We Found Our Way out of the Mormon Church, released in late August of this year. Until March 16, 2008, Wilder was a professor at Brigham Young University and a dedicated member of the Latter-Day Saints.

In a recent article in the Daily Beast, Wilder provided a condensed overview of her personal testimony, which occurred over a two-year period as God worked in the hearts of her family members.

Wilder states that in 2006, she and her husband Mike decided to visit a Christian church, but were careful to choose a gathering two hours away where no one would recognize them.

“We were paranoid, worried that if someone from Brigham Young University saw me at a non-denominational Christian church, I would lose my ecclesiastical clearance and my job as a professor,” Wilder wrote. “Only at BYU would someone lose their academic position for finding salvation outside the Mormon church.”

During this same time, Wilder’s son Micah became a born-again Christian. He announced to his fellow Mormon missionaries that he did not believe that men are saved by the works that Mormons require, and was sent home as “unworthy” to be a missionary. Just days later, Micah began serving a Christian organization in missions instead.

In the time that followed, Lynn Wilder began searching the Scriptures for answers. She states that the word of God opened her eyes to the truth.

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“I read my Bible, sometimes hours a day, and truly felt I was being washed,” Wilder explained. “In its pages, I met a Jesus who was able to save me from my life of working to be ‘good.'”

Writer Sharon Lindbloom of Mormonism Research Ministry also notes that Wilder’s was impacted when she read 2 Corinthians 11:4, which states, “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another Gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”

“Another Jesus!” Wilder said to herself. “That’s exactly what we have.”

The movie Luther, which focuses on the life Protestant reformer Martin Luther and his repudiation of the requirements imposed under the Roman Catholic religion, hit home for Wilder as well. She knew full well of following man-made requirements under Mormon rules.

“I was simply overwhelmed by the Spirit,” she said. “I went face down in surrender to Christ.”

The Brigham Young professor then set out to buy herself a cross necklace to show her love for Christ, but there was one problem—crosses were taboo at the university.

“Mormons don’t revere the cross. They see it as an instrument of death, not the place where Christ became the savior,” she stated. “[I]f I was caught, I would be called in by my superiors and lose the ecclesiastical clearance I needed to work there.”

So, Wilder hid it under her clothing with the hopes that no one saw.

Months later, Wilder requested a leave of absence and took another job in Florida. On March 16, 2008 (3/16/08), she submitted her resignation in honor of John 3:16. Both Wilder and her husband had renounced Mormonism and turned to Christ.

“We lost a religion, but we gained Christ,” Michael Wilder stated in the 2011 documentary Unveiling Grace. “And that’s a good trade.”

When word broke, Wilder says that she received a lot of criticism, but states that her joys outweigh her sufferings.

“I was stupid, a liar, an adulterer, a drug addict, and had committed gross sins,” she said. “Despite the rejection I faced from 30 years of friends, despite the fact that I lost status, position, money, might lose children and our home, I walked away and never feared again.”

Now, Wilder is sharing her story with the world in spoken word and pen, and several of her children are likewise sharing the Gospel through the music ministry Adam’s Road—including her son Micah.

“Words cannot describe the feeling of finally knowing the Lord Jesus Christ in a way that you’ve always wanted to,” he said, becoming tearful. “Reading His word for the very first time and being washed clean by that word and understanding what his Gospel really was–that’s what changed my life. … I’ll never be the same.”

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  • Dan

    Was she a convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints before her change from her previous ways, “I was stupid, a liar, an adulterer, a drug addict, and had committed gross sins,”?

    Easy to see that she never understood The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. . .and still does not. . . but she is trying to make some money by misrepresenting the one she left. . .

    • Mike C

      I don’t know her, yet something tells me that she wrote the book to inform LDS of errors, that she was teaching. Many following topics would suggest works for salvation. This book that she wrote is not a work of salvation, it is a work of love… love for the LDS brothers and sisters who see another Jesus that the one who the scripture proclaim. This work of love is the one that James refers to when he says faith with out works is dead. She does not write/ work for salvation but because of it.

    • 3GrandKeys

      Why wouldn’t any of those types of sinners be LDS? Just because there are standards to follow doesn’t mean members are going to be mistake proof. Or are Mormons who sin no longer welcome to identify as Mormons? This idea that an adulterer wouldn’t have been LDS or wouldn’t have been a truly converted LDS member is ridiculous. In my thirty years as a devout Mormon it was always painfully obvious to me that we didn’t know how to embrace the fact that we were all sinners and that we were still all okay. Way too much public shaming for nondescript “unworthiness” that should have been kept between members and their ecclesiastical leaders. You see this damaging phenomenon surface in how BYU makes its student athletes honor code violations into national media spectacles. We all wanted to believe Jesus was there for us if we repented but the “chewed gum” metaphor for sinners is still paradoxically present in LDS culture. Just look at the “not even once club” children’s book that was just published.

      I also find it odd that people are so quick to assume she’s doing this for worldly gains. That’s like saying the 18 year old LDS boys all rushed out on missions to convert people from other faiths just so they’d get the car their parents promised them for going. Not all things contrary to Mormonism are of dubious intent but having been raised Mormon and having lived a fully committed LDS life for thirty years I understand how impossible it can be to accept the idea that someone who was devout LDS is now truly happier elsewhere (and not delusionally happy. Really truly happy) without undermining ones faith.

    • d.

      She seemed to say those are the things she was suddenly called by Mormons when word got out she was saved.

  • Kevin Russell

    Obviously she and her husband had their hearts open to Gods Spirit and were intelligent enough to know the truth of Gods word to be the real truth. “You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free”. Any religion that requires works as a means of redemption is a false religion and only leads to bondage. True Christianity as portrayed through Gods Word, the Bible, will always point the sinner, that is all of us, to Jesus our one and only Savior. Praise God whenever the eyes of the blind are opened to the truth!

    • Daniel

      So, can you explain to me James 2:17-18? I feel these verses say you need both faith and works. Not just one and not just the other. Isn’t faith an action? How do we show our faith in God without works?

    • Russ B.

      Kevin, I don’t see how anyone can read the NT and come to the conclusion that God will save us without works. It simply is not in the bible. You have to remember that Paul was talking to two groups of people; the Jews and the Jewish converts (Christians). There is a difference between the works of the law, which he warned the Jews against, and good works. It is so clear that works are necessary for salvation that I wonder if you’ve read from Matthew to Revelation. Christ teaches good works almost explicitly and most evangelicals NEVER quote him. And Paul warns and rewarns thru out his teachings that sinners can in no way inherit the Kingdom of God. Just sayin’….

  • Mary Mary

    As a very happy convert to the Mormon church FROM the protestant faith, I have to say with a loud and resounding voice that where ever she found Jesus Christ is all that matters, as long as she found Him. I don’t care if she found Him in her belief system or in mine so long as she found Him and worships Him with all her might, mind, and strength. But, if she is truly a follower of Him she would search out how to love others, lift them, serve them….not destroy them. I wish her great peace and happiness as I have found in the Mormon faith. Jesus is my savior and redeemer just as He is hers. How I choose to worship Him may be different, but our equal salvation through Him remains.

  • Bob

    I’m not sure why anyone would leave Mormonism for general Christianity. Mormonism’s theology is so rich: salvation for the dead who never hear of Christ; eternal marriage; temple covenants; twelve apostles; continuing revelation; female deities; eternal progression versus a theology where one’s only salvation depends on accepting the grace of Christ in this lifetime (even if one never had the chance) and no concept of eternal progression, no belief in God’s continuing word, a credal interpretation of the identity of God, and an almost enthusiastic desire to damn everyone who does not “accept Jesus in this lifetime.” The God of Christianity is a God of punishment and exclusivism. Christianity in general has become such a battleground that honestly, one is better leaving the whole thing for a religion of peace, like Buddhism. As the great Gandhi said, “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” I could not support a religion which would damn Gandhi, one of the greatest individuals to ever live. Mormonism has its issues, but to leave it for Christianity sounds like a downgrade over an upgrade.

  • Jay

    She switched Kool-aid flavors.

  • George P.

    The Bible teaches works and faith. Much of Contemporary Christianity don’t read nor accept half the Bible. BTW, Mormonism does not teach works only. Anybody saying that is “stupid, a liar, an adulterer, a drug addict, and had committed gross sins”.

    • Mike C

      I regretfully agree that contemporary Christians don’t read nor accept the Bible. For reasons that are to much to discuss here, there is much apathetic reverence for God’s word in many churches. I would also like to say that there are a still a lot of believers who are serious about biblical studies and love God’s word, and I am one of those.

  • Jack Hodson

    Left the Mormon Church for Christianity? Wow, that’s quite a lead. As one who was raised in the Presbyterian Church and converted to the LDS Church as a young adult four decades ago I suppose I naively thought I was leaving one branch of Christianity for another. I guess according to you I was mistaken. If so, I’ll just continue to live in a state of blissful ignorance.

    I think one of the saddest things about discussions like this is the fact that groups which have so much in common in efforts to keep society from falling apart more than it has already spend time and effort denigrating one another. From my perspective it just doesn’t seem terribly Christian. Just my humble opinion.

  • Greg

    I think it is interesting that some people believe that works are not important in our salvation. Have they not searched the Bible alone? All of the scriptures testify of the importance of our works. The faith chapter in Hebrew 11 they need to study. They all did something to show their faith. In the healing stories someone had to dona work before they received healing. In James , faith without works is DEAD! Our savior had to do works and He said greater works we will do, because he went to the father. Have you not seen children that were given everything without working for it? They are unappreciative and spoiled. Jesus christ is the only way to the father and without the baptism of his blood we wouldn’t make it. Without the other two baptisms, we won’t either! Christ paid the debt, but as one brother of the church has stated, we must practice, to become as they are! Practice is work!!!

  • Greg

    I think it is interesting that some people believe that works are not important in our salvation. Have they not searched the Bible alone? All of the scriptures testify of the importance of our works. The faith chapter in Hebrew 11 they need to study. They all did something to show their faith. In the healing stories someone had to do a work, before they received healing. In James , faith without works is DEAD! Our savior had to do works and He said greater works we will do, because he went to the father. Have you not seen children that were given everything without working for it? They are unappreciative and spoiled. Jesus christ is the only way to the father and without the baptism of his blood we wouldn’t make it. Without the other two baptisms, we won’t either! Christ paid the debt, but as one brother of the church has stated, we must practice, to become as they are! Practice is work!!! As for ” it is better not to be married” you misunderstand. You have to know who he was talking to. It was the missionaries. He wasn’t contradicting the law of marriage. It was to be so from the beginning. If it was better to be single, we couldn’t multiply and replenish the earth! But if they were married while serving, they wouldn’t give the Lord their full attention. If they could not control themselves, it was better to marry, than to commit fornication. The restored gospel of Jesus Christ is true and was revealed to the prophet Joseph Smith. Just because a few have lost their testimony, doesnt make the gospel false. Judas left also with many others! There have been baptist pastors and other leaders, that have left their congrations as well, to join the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints .

    • Mike C

      Greg I like your passion in your writing, and I can see you have a good grasp of God’s word. I am not LDS, and I am not sure if this is the forum to discuss baptism, but what is it about blood baptism that is required for salvation and the other two. Can you give me examples of this? The thief on the cross did not get baptized that I know of; just a confession of faith.
      Romans 6:4 NLT – “For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.”
      1 Peter 3:21 NLT – “And that water is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”
      1 John 5:6 NLT – “And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross–not by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony.”

      • Dwight R

        It is true that Jesus said that the thief would be with Him in paradise and, as you point out, we have no record of the thief being baptized. However, is this paradise the same as Heaven?

        Christ told the thief on the cross “Today thou shalt be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43). But the ancient Bible text actually reads “Today thou shalt be with me in the world of departed spirits.” The usage of the word “paradise” was a choice made by the King James translators. The original Greek word actually means “world of departed spirits.” The word “today” as in when Jesus said “Today thou shalt be with me in paradise” literally means “today” or “on this very day.” So we know that this “paradise” to which Jesus and the thief were going to, on that very day, was not heaven. We know this because three days later the resurrected Lord said to Mary: “I have not yet ascended to my Father” (John 20:17). Jesus had not yet gone to where the Father was. And where was the Father? The scriptures contain many references to the fact that the Father was, and is, in heaven. So, we know that Jesus (and the thief) were not in heaven with the Father during the time between Jesus’ death and resurrection. They were in the world of departed spirits or “hades” which the King James translators sometimes rendered as “paradise” and sometimes rendered as “hell.” Thus we read that the soul would not remain in hell (Psalms 16:10; Acts 2:25-31). In other words, because of the resurrection provided by Jesus Christ, the spirits of men will not remain forever in hell. or the world of departed spirits (Matt. 27:52-53). Hell, as used in this sense, has an end.

        We see, in the Bible, a number of prophecies about the time when Jesus would visit the spirits in the spirit world. Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah would visit the spirits who were confined in the world of departed spirits (Isaiah 24:22; 49:9; Psalm 142:7) and He would release them from spirit prison or from bondage, where they were separated from their physical bodies. In other words, He would provide for them a resurrection. We also see the prophecy where the dead would hear His voice:

        “Verily verily, I say unto you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live…Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.” (John 5:25-29, Matt 27:52-53)

        We also see that Jesus taught the spirits of the dead when he visited them in the spirit world: “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water.”(1 Peter 3:18-20).

        Here Peter explains that between Jesus’ death and resurrection, He went and preached to the spirits in prison who were in the spirit world awaiting the resurrection. Even those who were disobedient in the days of Noah and were drowned in the Great Flood, heard the gospel preached in the spirit world. (See also D&C 138:6-37)

        “For this cause was the gospel preached also unto them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”(1 Peter 4:6).

        Notice that people must have the gospel preached to them; they must have the chance to hear it and accept it before the resurrection and the final judgment. Many people throughout the history of the world have lived and died without a chance to hear and understand the gospel and receive of its blessings. How unfair it would be if God judged people and condemned them to a permanent hell without first giving them the chance to hear the gospel and accept it. The final judgment comes after passing through the world of departed spirits and after all have ample opportunity to hear and accept the gospel.

  • Barbara Laxton

    The saving “works” of the gospel include calling upon the name of Christ. That is a work. Having faith in Christ is a work. Being born again is a work. Taking His name upon us is a work. Repentance is a work. All of these works or actions are what constitutues the works of salvation for any Christian. The ordinances of the Restored Gospel that I now live as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are meant to draw me even closer to my Father and to His Son, my Savior The Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only way to salvation.

  • Mike C

    works vs faith? It seems to me that there is some confusion among us. I agree with James that faith without works is dead. Does this mean that eternal salvation is lost if there is no works? What is required? 1.Believe in Jesus and receive the free gift of salvation. That is what the thief on the cross did. He had no works, no baptism, nor did he have a theological understanding of the Holy Scriptures. If by works you mean receiving the free gift then I say well done. There is much to say about works vs faith, so much so that there could be a whole book dedicated to the subject. The question should be, why are we doing works? To earn salvation? That seems like what my LDS friends are saying. If you are trying to earn salvation by works then I would say you are in error, because eph 2:8 would say it is a free gift lest anyone should boast. If works are done because of your faith than that seems to be a better fit. If you are a believer and ignore the needs of those around you, because you don’t need works for salvation, then I would say that you need a heart check.
    The real problem of salvation is believing and receiving the free gift. An error is made when we reduce the nature of who Jesus says that he is. Did he hang on a cross because of blasphemy? Blasphemy? Is Jesus claiming to be God? When the man got lowered from the roof top, not only was he healed but also forgiven. Only God can forgive. So it is not really a matter of works it is a matter of who do you say that Jesus is? A good teacher, a prophet, the Son of God, the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us, the Christ. The Jews wanted to kill Jesus because Jesus said before Abraham “I AM” John 5:18 KJV – “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.” So allow me to repeat, it is not really a matter of works it is a matter of who do you say that Jesus is?

    • George P.

      Mike C:

      The thief on the cross did not receive eternal salvation. Then again, what do we mean by salvation? I thought there is going to be a judgement before receiving eternal salvation. Are you saying the thief received his judgement while hanging on the cross when Jesus said today I will be with you in paradise? Jesus also said you must be Baptized. So obviously, we have a communications or semantics problem. What do we mean by salvation and what do we mean by works? If we can’t agree on these basic terms then any discussion about faith and works is moot.

      “why are we doing works? To earn salvation? That seems like what my LDS friends are saying.” implies that you don’t understand the LDS religion. It’s this lack of understanding and stiffneckedness of non-LDS that causes so much friction between apostates and members of the restored Church of Jesus Christ. Sorry, but Protestantism is an apostate religion of Catholicism not to mention what Catholicism is.

      I must also lack understanding and be stiffnecked because I could not follow the logic of your post.

      • Greg

        I agree with george P. There is more than one meaning to salvation. Salvation from death is a free gift to all people that have been born in the flesh. As the scriptures state: by Adam all will die, and by Jesus christ, all will live again! (that’s not the exact wording).Jesus christ came to earth to show us the way! He is our exemplar. He was sinless, and needed no baptism, but did so to fulfill all righteousness. Baptism is the gate to the straight and narrow path. It is the beginning of our being saved. Then we must receive the gift of the holy ghost(2nd baptism), then we must keep the commandments and endure to the end…. Heavenly father knew we couldn’t do it alone, so He sent us a savior; who was ordained to be so, before the world was. We must do our part, and His atonement will make up the difference(the 3rd baptism). They are “One baptism” like heavenly Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy ghost are “One”. Just like a man and his spouse are “One”. One without the other, there is no true salvation! Everybody love’s using the thief on the cross to say baptism is not essential. Even though the scriptures say numerous times, that you must be baptized, by water and the spirit(study jesus’ baptism, and acts chapter 8.) The baptisms are essential, not just an expression of ones faith. As for the thief on the cross, Jesus told him “today thou will be with me in paradise”. The question is: what is paradise? Is it heaven? He told Mary 3 days later “touch me not, I haven’t asended to my Father”. During those 3 days, Jesus went and taught the spirits that were in prison, but some were disobedient”. If there is no hope for some after death, why did He waste his time? That is why we have temples! Like the new testament states: “they without us, cannot be made perfect”.

  • George P.

    Let’s not forget, there is more than one salvation and I think our discussions about how we are saved get’s confused because we don’t know which salvation we are talking about. There is salvation from our physical and spiritual enemies (ie people who want to control us, from disease, and from Satan who wants to damn us, and even ourselves), salvation from death (which is given to all whether they believe or not, ie the resurrection), and salvation from damnation (making and living the covenants to God and Jesus Christ). Believing is the faith and can give us peace and save us from many of Satan’s efforts, following Christ is the works. Sometimes I get the feeling Contemporary Christianity, in general, does not know what a covenant is and that’s the way Satan likes it, because in the end, us failing to make and keep covenants will damn us and we probably wont even know it until it’s too late.

  • Mike C

    Thanks for replying to my post. I do find it interesting that we have a difference of opinion on a few things, or most things (not totally shocking) and I find it encouraging to discuss these topics without character assassinations. My conversations with LDS has been limited, so I don’t know all of the teachings, yet I get the major grasp of it. As I read your post I can see that our teachers have taught two very different things. I can follow your logic as I filter it through LDS teachings, but like you, at first I got confused at your definitions and understandings.
    It would be interesting to have this discussion in a different format, but this will have to do.
    2 major topics of difference of opinion, is that the the fundamental Christian who puts his trust in Jesus to be his Lord and savior gets eternal salvation. (yet it is that simple) what does eternal salvation mean to me, it means when we die we instantly get to be in Heaven with Christ and all those who have gone on before us. Eternal death is rejecting Jesus and therefore condemning themselves. So on the last breath of a non believer they get hell. So yes, I believe that the thief on the cross when he confessed that Jesus is the Christ, that he was forgiven, and his reward was the kingdom of heaven.
    As I mentioned before, our logic is separated by our teachers. I know that you do not agree with me, nor can we both be right, but it is your teacher that ventured into a different church and saw a teaching that was different than LDS. When she began to understand “our” teaching simplified, it takes away a lot of confusion of LDS teachings. If you are interested in understanding my teaching, not necessarily agreeing with it, but understanding it, then visit Go to some of the passages of our disagreement, and there are numerous commentaries there that will explain my point of view. (even if it wrong 🙂
    2. topic is even more challenging than the first who is Jesus?
    I believe that Jesus is God, part of the trinity. This God in three persons is the only God and there are no others. Lucifer is a created angel, who rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven. Jesus is not an angel, Jesus is above all of the angels. I know, I know.. different teachings. For more clarity on my point of view
    So all who believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, will get heaven. Those who believe in a Jesus that is diminished to an angelic level, and that they can be like gods, when they die, I am not certain of your eternal salvation. It is a confession into a false Jesus. So before you respond to this, be that Barean who searches the scriptures, and my way of understanding.

    • Greg

      I’ve enjoyed explaining my views to the best of my ability. Like Paul, I am one of the least of the brethren. There are many that understand the restored gospel alot better than I do, but I do my best to help people see what I see. As for Jesus Christ, I believe he is God (God the Son), creator of all things; but created all things under the direction of heavenly Father. He is Jehovah of the old testament, Jesus the Christ of the new. He is our God and Savior. It is only by Him and through Him, that we are saved. He is the core of our doctrine, and our church bears his name. He has set up an organization and I believe it exist this day! I also believe in the living prophets, as in the days of old. Amos tells us that the lord will do nothing, without revealing his secrets to his servants, the prophets. He and the father are one! (United). An analogy of how I see God, is sort of like a flashlight. It takes 2 batteries, which could represent heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. These two batteries, make one battery that operate the flash light! that light helps us to see! The Holy Ghost gives us light and truth as well. The way I understand other Christians analogy of God is water, ice and steam (the same substance, but with different form.) each way is how we have differences of Them being ONE. Jesus is the express image of the Father, right? How can this be, if He is in different form? I know other Christians love the Lord as much as I do. I don’t knock them, but i don’t have to agree with them. As for going to heaven as soon as we die, with a resurrected body; what about judgement?

  • Mike C

    By the way, did anyone watch the 55 min video, wish I had time. George and Greg, can you watch it and give me that short a quick of it. Thanks

    • Greg

      I watched most of it. It’s sad to see them lose their testimony and to forget the spirit that had once enlightened them. I was raised baptist and loved the church I was raised in. Most were loving people and there wasn’t much asked of you. It was really easy.” The church” does ask alot out of people and sometimes stretches you to your limits. There’s been times, I too, have had doubts (in all of my churches I’ve attended) But as I was patient and continued seeking, my answers would come and my doubts would leave me.” The church” has made me grow toward the better. It’s not easy being a member. I have backed away at times because of the busyness of it, and my selfishness! Not because of the doctrines of the church. I see the truth in them daily. The church does ask alot of it’s members, especially for the pay you receive : ) which is zero in US dollars. I’ve been to alot of fun churches in my life, but none where I’ve learned so much about the scriptures. The people are far from perfect and can say things at times, that are just not right (me included!), but we are progressing, moving foward, learning from our personal mistakes. The Lords church is not made up of perfect people, not even his “Prophets”. Haven’t you witnessed this through the Bible itself? The doctrines are sound and secure to me, they are an anchor to my soul. Some will come and go, as they always have. Jesus’ asked “will you go also?” the gospel is simple, but not simple to do! It’s hard to walk in the saviors footsteps, but that’s what he’s ask of us!

  • Greg

    As for going straight to heaven when we die!! One last thing to ponder! Where did those spirits go before Jesus Christ’s resurrection ? He had to be the first, to resurrect, didn’t he? Did they go straight to Heavenly Father after their death? If so, Jesus wouldn’t have been the 1st to be resurrected? That is, if your only a spirit forever, when you die, like I was once taught. Some do not believe your bodies will come out of the ground; even though many did, after Jesus’s resurrection. The scriptures testify of this happening! Their spirits had to go somewhere, waiting THEIR resurrection? Could it be a spirit world out there somewhere , that’s made up of paradise and hell?

  • Mike C

    Good questions, I only hope I can give a sufficient answer to them. Sorry for the delay, if we could somehow exchange emails it might be easier to answer these, yet all those who may stumble on this story will see our exchange and agree or disagree. The first question of judgement. Answer from Nelsons bible dictionary.. The final judgment will be comprehensive in scope; it will include all people and nations from the beginning of the world to the end of history (Matt. 25:31–46; Rom. 14:10–12), as well as fallen angels (2 Pet. 2:4). Those who trust in the Lord, repent of sin, and walk in His ways will not be condemned but will enter into eternal life (Psalm 1). The purpose of the final judgment is the glory of God through the salvation of the ELECT and the condemnation of the ungodly (2 Thess. 1:3–10).
    The thief on the cross where did he go? For a short time Abraham’s Bosom- a figure of speech for the life hereafter. According to the Old Testament, when a person died he went to “be with his fathers” (Gen. 15:15; 47:30; Deut. 31:16; Judg. 2:10). The patriarch Abraham was regarded as the “father” of the Jews (Luke 3:8; John 8:37–40). At death, therefore, the Jew went to his forefathers or, more specifically, to join “father Abraham.”
    The only use in the Bible of “Abraham’s bosom” occurs in Jesus’ parable of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19–31), in which the beggar is described as being “carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom” (v. 22). A great gulf or chasm separated him from the rich man, who was being tormented in the flames of Hades.

    After 3 days Jesus arose from the grave, was it then that the believers went to heaven or after 40 days? not sure but they made it to heaven. In God’s economy whats another month, our time is but a vapor here.

    I hope this answers your questions. Simply put, as for me, my sins have been paid for, therefor when I stand before God I will stand as a rightous man because of what Jesus did for us. Condemnation is only for those who reject Jesus Christ.

  • Greg

    Mike, it’s good to have a discussion that is civil. I visited a supposedly Christian chat the other night and you wouldn’t believe the hatred and so on….. It was a bad feeling for sure. Anyway, I can see alittle of what your saying, that they went to Abrahams bosom( or to their fathers!) The only thing I don’t understand, is that all of those that died before Christ, is that the heaven where heavenly Father is? Our church calls it the spirit world. The good go to paradise, while the bad go to prison, awaiting their resurrection and judgement. In the mean time, they are being taught gospel truths and hopefully choose to get out of prison( hell ). Just like when Jesus died, He went and taught the spirits in prison, but some were disobedient. If there is no way to get out of prison, wonder why Christ taught them at all? Revelations states that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. I used to be under the impression, that hell, is the lake of fire! I don’t understand it fully, being one of the least of the breathen, but it makes scense to me now! I couldn’t see a loving God, creating all of these wonderful people and burning them up forever and ever… Because of the traditions of their fathers. Alot of people do believe this. I personally don’t believe Satan will win in numbers. He didn’t in our 1st estate, and I don’t believe he will in our 2nd estate(this mortal life). I picture it somewhat like our prison system; most, after paying the price, will get another chance. But some will be, without Gods presence and light (into outer darkness!!). As we continue to seek for answers, it is my prayer that we will find!

  • AL

    The Jesus Christ that mormons worship is the same Jesus that was born to Virgin Mary, taught the gospel of service, love and compassion. The same Jesus whose teachings are throughout the Holy Bible. He atoned for all mankinds sins and became the Savior of the world in the Garden if Gethsemane, was crucified by man, and ressurected by God so that all mankind could also be able to be ressurected. Jesus Christ is the center of the LDS church, and also the center of the Book of Mormon as the book testifies of Him and His visit to the inhabitants of ancient America (if you want to argue this, then just read the book and see for yourself). As for wearing a cross, that is not a rule or anything in the church, people have their own choice. It is simply not worn out of respect for Jesus Christ. Yes he died as a result of crucifixion on a cross (due to evil men), but Mormons try to honor and celebrate His life and focus more on the ultimate atoning sacrifice He bore for all, they also celebrate His ressurection of life. The significant and most important part of Jesus Christs death was not the cross that was used, it is what took place in Gethsemane. If my child was killed by a gun I would not wear gun jewelry to honor their life, instead I would focus on the positive things about them. So if people really want to wear or use a symbol to show to others that they are followers of Christ or bear His name then they should just live their lives in a way that would honor Him. I know that that would mean far more to Jesus then just wearing a symbol. Of course her son would get sent home from a mission if he is teaching against the gospel. Any person that attends a school, college or works at a business would be sent home or fired if they go against the codes of conduct etc. If I worked at a supermarket and stood in the store telling people not to buy from there because the prices were too high or the bread was better elsewhere then I would be fired. As for the “criticism” that Wilder received was only because she is blowing things completely out of proportion and not being truthful about others. I hope her and her family all the best.