Convicted Heavy Metal ‘Christian’ Singer Admits Being Atheist, Duped Fans to Sell Music

LambesisA so-called Christian heavy metal band whose frontman was convicted of attempting to hire a hitman to murder his estranged wife has admitted that it duped fans into believing that they were Christian in order to sell their music.

“Truthfully, I was an atheist,” Tim Lambesis, the lead singer and founder of As I Lay Dying told the Alternative Press in a recent interview. “I actually wasn’t the first guy in As I Lay Dying to stop being a Christian. In fact, I think I was the third. The two who remained kind of stopped talking about it, and then I’m pretty sure they dropped it, too.”

The publication noted that his wife, Meggan, had likewise divulged in divorce papers that Lambesis had become an atheist. Lambesis, in admitting his atheism, outlined that he turned away from Christianity as he majored in religious studies while attending college through a long distance program.

“In the process of trying to defend my faith, I started thinking the other point of view was the stronger one,” he said.

And one sin led to another, turning his renunciation of Christ into justification for his actions.

“The first time I cheated on my wife, my interpretation of morality was now convenient for me,” Lambesis explained. “I felt less guilty if I decided, “Well, marriage isn’t a real thing, because Christianity isn’t real. God isn’t real. Therefore, marriage is just a stupid piece of paper with the government.”

But he continued to profess to be a Christian, as did others in the band, in order to sell records to Christian music fans.

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“I remember one Christian festival where an interviewer wanted one of the guys [in the band] to share his testimony, and he just froze up and let one of the guys who was still a Christian at the time answer the question,” Lambesis recalled. “We laughed about it afterward, but we were only laughing because it was so awkward.”

“When kids would want to pray with us after shows, I’d be like, ‘Um, go ahead and pray!’ I would just let them pray. I’d say ‘Amen.’ If praying while I have my hand on their shoulder makes them feel better, I didn’t want to take that away from them,” he continued. “When they would specifically ask me to pray for something, I’d say, ‘I don’t really like to pray out loud, but I’ll take that with me to the bus.”

He said that during his tenure with As I Lay Dying, he realized that a number of bands that professed to be Christians were faking their faith just as he was.

“We toured with more ‘Christian bands’ who actually aren’t Christians than bands that are,” Lambesis stated. “In 12 years of touring with As I Lay Dying, I would say maybe one in 10 Christian bands we toured with were actually Christian bands.”

As he continued to fall deeper into sin, Lambesis asked a personal trainer at his local gym if he knew any hitmen that could kill his wife. The lead singer was soon arrested and taken into custody following an undercover sting operation where he allegedly supplied police with directions and cash to carry out the murder. He was sentenced to six years in prison in March of this year.

But Lambesis just recently came forward with the truth about his atheism and the front that the band put on to sell records.

“A lot of Christian parents said, ‘Yes, you can buy this As I Lay Dying CD, because they’re a Christian band.’ They don’t even think to actually check the lyrics,” Lambesis stated. “So when you change your views, you kind of owe it to the fans to be honest.”

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  • Neo

    Nothing really surprising here at all.

    • Morpheus

      Need I remind you of the countless bad people that just happened to be christians? No one ever turned and said “Well, he/she is a christian, so no surprise there”.

      Bad decision and actions are not tied to religion or lack off. There are bad christians, atheists, muslims, etc. There are also good christians, atheists, muslims, etc.

  • John Riley

    There is much to be said about us being known by our fruit. There will always be false Christians and false prophets to lead some astray. Satan always tries to mimic the real thing to confuse and destroy. It speaks well of this man that he got honest. He needs our prayer that he may truely find God.

    • Sebub Biel

      So you are going to go from false prophet to false prophet, saying “oh this guy was fake, but I’m sure next guy is real deal”?
      There is no god, there is no satan.

      • Cobiegirl

        So if you don’t believe in the true and living God, why are you here? Do you just chase after Christian sites for no reason? No. There is a reason why you are here and probably at other Christian sites as well. Hope you find the Truth, Jesus Christ, the Savior, our Savior, the only Hope for all mankind.

    • bob

      There is no god

    • Richard

      Funny story … I recognized I was an atheist at an early age, and when I finally came to grips with that fact in my twenties, my life didn’t go bad, and I didn’t become an evil person. In fact, I fell in love and married the woman I’m still happily married to today — twenty eight years later.

      We raised a hard working, decent, deeply moral person who has always loved and respected her parents. All this wonderful stuff in our lives … yes, as atheists.

      Point is, there is no need to believe in any of the gods humans have dreamed up in order to be good, or have a good life. In fact, research shows that the “faithful” are more likely to cheat on their spouses, get divorced, become pregnant at earlier ages, and even, occupy the cell of a maximum security prison. Trust me, I’ve seen the research, all of this is true!

      Sorry to rant, but you really forced me to respond to your condescending, holier than thou opinion.

      • Joshua

        Its not that an atheist cant live a moral life. The fact is an atheist cant call anything good or bad. There is no ultimate standard to which to gauge what is good and what is bad. If there is no God, theres no standard to which we can judge something is good or bad. Can you see the difference?

        • jesus

          You’ve contradicted yourself. All it takes is empathy and a conscience, if you need god to be in touch with these things then you cannot call yourself truly moral.

  • Evangelist Ryan Brittingham

    “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God”. 1Corinthians 1:18

  • Michele


    People who didn’t need an excuse to bash God, Christ, Christians and Christianity jump all over this. Your hatred is obvious. That’s not Christ like, period. But you’re not even trying to be, so I can’t fault you. But I can pray for you.

    It says something about this man that he confessed, at the expense of not selling any more records of “Christian” genre. Only God truly knows the heart and mind of a man. Pray for him, and for every other “athiest” who somehow gets drawn into Christianity. We will see them in heaven or we won’t but our job is to pray for them and help set their feet on the right path, should they be interested in walking it.

    • AMBER

      My heart sank when I read this and I have fumed over it all day. You are right. We HAVE to pray for them. I do feel sooooooo STUPID though as I let my kids download songs from Christian groups without really making sure they are legit. Big lesson for us all to learn I suppose.

      • Lardon Frit

        Are you saying you would only let your children listen to christian music? Or did you mean you’d let them be free, but don’t want them to listen to something that isn’t what it is described as?

    • Zac

      He tried to have his wife murdered and faked being a christian for profit (probably one of least christian things one could do). If this guy gets into heaven, everyone’s gettin into heaven.

  • sue sadler

    As an Atheist myself, I can tell you that your morality isn’t tied religion. Morality predates religion. He mentions sin a lot which isn’t a term an Atheist would use. As an Atheist, I would never cheat on my husband nor would I ever try to hire a hit man. He’s using excuses to justify his behavior. We have all seen Christians do the same thing and they don’t blame it on a lack of morality from losing their faith. Sorry dude, but don’t blame this on being an Atheist. You’ll find that you’ll be the minority in jail. Less than 2% of prisoners are Atheists.

    • Scott

      Greetings Sue! You said:

      “As an Atheist, I would never cheat on my husband nor would I ever try to hire a hit man.”

      So are these two statements: A: Don’t cheat on your spouse, and B: Don’t hire a hit man to kill your spouse, objective unchanging moral truth?

      Lambesis said: “Well, marriage isn’t a real thing, because Christianity isn’t real. God isn’t real. Therefore, marriage is just a stupid piece of paper with the government.”

      Is he wrong?

      And this: “Less than 2% of prisoners are Atheists.”

      Heard that before. Questions:

      1) Does this data account for all prisoners, or just those who self-identified?

      2) Does this data reflect local numbers, state numbers, federal numbers…what is it exactly?

      3) Does the data reflect what was believed by the prisoners when they committed their crimes, or afterwards?

      4) Does the data reflect how long they have self-identified with their belief system?

      • Stateless and Faithless

        “So are these two statements: A: Don’t cheat on your spouse, and B: Don’t hire a hit man to kill your spouse, objective unchanging moral truth?”

        No. But cheating on your spouse and murder are generally bad things. Honestly, who argues otherwise?

        “Lambesis said: “Well, marriage isn’t a real thing, because Christianity isn’t real. God isn’t real. Therefore, marriage is just a stupid piece of paper with the government.”
        Is he wrong?”

        No, he’s correct. But the commitment is real. As an atheist, I won’t cheat on my wife because 1. We made a commitment to be faithful to each other, 2. I don’t want to hurt her and I know she doesn’t want to hurt me.

        Lots of non-religious people get married and stay faithful. It’s really not that difficult. The commitment is the same whether you’re an atheist or a Christian or Muslim or Zoroastrian or whatever.

        This article is also pushing the correlation equals causation fallacy, i.e. he was a Christian and then became an atheist, and tried to have his wife killed by a hitman while deceiving his Christian fanbase. That is what happened, but this does not mean that his atheism CAUSED him to hire a hitman and be a fraud. For all we know, maybe he was always a scumbag.

        Finally, the comments all over here seem to be missing an important fact: Christians also do really terrible things, regardless, and there are millions of atheists that don’t commit crimes or try to have their spouse killed or eat babies and worship Satan. There are good people and bad people in both camps.

      • Bob Dobbs

        Are you really asking for proof?

      • Mantastic

        “So are these two statements: A: Don’t cheat on your spouse, and B: Don’t hire a hit man to kill your spouse, objective unchanging moral truth?”

        Treating others how you want to be treated and doing your best not to cause harm is just common sense human morality.

        ““Well, marriage isn’t a real thing, because Christianity isn’t real. God isn’t real. Therefore, marriage is just a stupid piece of paper with the government.”

        Marriage exists across all faiths and those without faith. It’s a human custom and has been for thousands of years. It’s his opinion to believe that, but disbelief of Christianity meaning that marriage isn’t real is a baseless idea.

        • Joshua

          >>Treating others how you want to be treated and doing your best not to cause harm is just common sense human morality.<<

          Not entirely convinced of this. What if one believed they had a better survival chance by doing the opposite? What if they had a better life, by killing their estranged wife? What if one had a better survival rate to pass on genes by cheating on their wife? Without God, their is no standard to judge what is right and wrong.

      • Gungor

        What’s your point, Scott? What point were you trying to make with the red herring prisoner story?

        • Scott

          Ask Sue, Gungor. I’m just asking questions about it.

      • Rance Mohanitz
      • Rance Mohanitz

        And yes, I’m sure this data doesn’t show those who do not self-identify with a religion (or with no religion). From within the prison system, how would you do that? Either way, you can give a confidence interval as we do with lots of studies that use self-identification to classify samples.

      • Mike


        Before I begin, I’d like to point out that I was born and raised a Christian male. That aside, I’m going to go off on my explanations to my best ability without being biased. In fact, at some point during my rant, im sure you’ll think to yourself “This guy is definetly not a believer!”, but I am. I strongly believe that you’re just having trouble seperating “Good” and “Religion”.

        I think her point was that even though she is Atheist, she still has morals. And those morals have nothing to do with religion. If you’re truly a good person, act like a good person.

        “So are these two statements: A: Don’t cheat on your spouse, and B: Don’t hire a hit man to kill your spouse, objective unchanging moral truth?” Just out of curiousity, do you think anybody should be cheated on and/or killed out of spite? I’m sure you’ll find the answer to your own question. This should have NOTHING to do with religion.

        “Lambesis said: “Well, marriage isn’t a real thing, because Christianity isn’t real. God isn’t real. Therefore, marriage is just a stupid piece of paper with the government.”

        Is he wrong?” Of course he’s wrong. Christianity (regardless of what anyone thinks) is a form of religion. It exists in the real world. Marriage; again, is a real thing. It exists in the real world, many people do it with or without religion. Now we get to the “God isn’t real” part. That part was purely opinionated. If you believe in God, great, good, awesome. If you don’t, again, great, good, awesome, whatever.

        If somebody has morals, and they are a good person, they should never be labeled “evil” based on their lack of faith in a religion.

        Over and over I would hear countless Christians call the “non-believers” evil…. But I knew alot of them. They were not evil. They were raised in different parts of the world under different faiths, different conditions, and different laws.

        As far as the ““Less than 2% of prisoners are Atheists.”” comment is concerned. Let me put it in perspective for you. During war when many men and women are put on the frontlines to defend their countries, sometimes against their own free will, why do the majority of them start praying to god before they’re going to die? Perhaps they are scared of dying alone? Who knows, but many “Atheists” will go to war without god, and come home with god.

        Same thing applies in jail. They have nowhere else to turn. Yes, the majority of inmates are religious. Regardless of the reason for their faith, they are.

        So yes, all the quotes from her comment that you made, make sense. It’s almost as if this article was specifically written to praise being a christian and bash being a “non-believer”. I doubt that poor soul’s faith had anything to do with his brain patterns. As Sue had stated, he was using his loss of faith as an excuse. Every criminal does it. He needs medical attention.


        • Scott

          Greetings to you Mike. I was not born and raised a Christian, but became one in my adult years. In fact I lived in a secular home where I was told “believe whatever you want as long as you think it’s right”. I became a Christian in my thirties after a lifetime of atheism. Having said that, I’ll continue..

          You said: “I think her point was that even though she is Atheist, she still has morals. And those morals have nothing to do with religion. If you’re truly a good person, act like a good person.”

          Mike, if you’re a Christian then you know scripture says that there is no one ‘good’. However, I believe in the existence of objective moral truth and the source is God. Scripture says the truth of the law is written on our hearts although we suppress the truth.

          You said: “If somebody has morals, and they are a good person, they should never be labeled “evil” based on their lack of faith in a religion.”

          I’m not labelling anyone, nor did I do that in my original post. Ultimately, Mike, all will stand before God and be judged for their actions. God will take care of the labeling 🙂 My style of apologetics and evangelism simply does not lend itself to online conversations. I’ll stick to real life encounters. Have a blessed day Mike!

          By the way..I’m not a big fan of religion either Mike 🙂

          • Scott

            Oh, and one more quick comment. You said:

            “That aside, I’m going to go off on my explanations to my best ability without being biased.”

            Don’t worry about being biased, accept it and embrace it. Neutrality is a myth.

      • sue

        Guess I look at Marriage and Christianity as two separate entities, so yes, Lambesis is wrong in my opinion.
        The prison data is from the Federal Bureau of Prisons and it doesn’t state if the data was collected when the prisoner first entered the prisoner or “converted” later, but they are federal numbers. My point is that this guy is using this as an excuse for his actions which is unacceptable. Christians don’t use their Christianity as an excuse when they commit crimes or are unfaithful. This guy is just a jerk period – he mislead his fans, hurt is family and tried to commit murder. Most Atheists I know are highly intelligent, humanist and generous people – not this guy.

        • Scott

          Hi again Sue. You said: “Lambesis is wrong in my opinion.”

          When I identified as an atheist, this was one of many positions I had worked out: “The poor in this country are provided many financial opportunities by the government. Some people got lucky, some didn’t, and it’s not my fault or business. My money is my money and I have no plans to donate any money to any charity.”

          Did that make me a jerk? You bet 🙂 But what my atheist buddies could never say to me was that it was “wrong”. It was simply my opinion. There was no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’….just different.

          You said: “This guy is just a jerk period – he mislead his fans, hurt is family and tried to commit murder.”

          And I agree with you…because we have an objective moral standard that we share 🙂

          You said in your first post: “Morality predates religion.”

          I agree. It originated with God. It’s written on our hearts, Sue. I strongly urge you to re-evaluate your worldview.

          God bless you!

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        His data does not include the following categories: no preference, other, pagan, and unknown. At least some of these categories would fall under secular, which all atheists are. If you were to add in all four of these categories, the % of prisoners who are atheist/secularist is 55769 out of 218107 or 25.6%. This number shows that atheists or secularists are significantly more highly represented in prison than other worldviews. (I have seen numbers like 1.6% for hardcore atheist and agnostics, up to roughly 15% for secularists.) And, I pulled the prisoner data from an atheist website. (patheos) He has the right data, but just cherry-picked it, IMO. One final thought: many prisoners turn to Christ in prison, some sincerely, some not – due to the fine Christian prison ministries there. Thus, we might be seeing the results of a good evangelical effort going on there as well.

    • Vince

      I’m with you on this. Religion does not equal morality. Morality equals morality. I no longer identify with being a Christian but my morality hasn’t changed. Lambesis is just a dirtbag.

    • Zach

      I spent years working in the prisoner system in the south. Atheist and Muslims get beat up, Christians do the beating. Where is the morality there? The warden forces bibles into the hands of all his detainees. If you accept Christianity, you get better privileges and lesser punishments. It’s an extremely discriminatory environment.


      > So are these two statements: A: Don’t cheat on your spouse, and B: Don’t hire a hit man to kill your spouse, objective unchanging moral truth?

      “Keep your word” is a useful socially productive construct. So is “don’t kill people”. It’s like “might doesn’t make right”. These are things that are useful to maintaining a civil society. A lot of so called “morality” can be re-framed in terms of simple pragmatism.

      So you’re an atheist. Fine. That means that your marriage vows are no longer a promise made to god. They still constitute a promise made to your spouse.

      The real problem is the idea that morality is about mindless authoritarianism. Eliminate “authority” and people run amok.

  • John Colfkul

    This just shows that as someone turns away from God, they become evil and immoral.

    “I, the lord see what may not be otherwise thus.” – Proverbs 21:19

    • Binerexis

      I turned away from your religion and I’m not evil or immoral. How do you explain that?

    • Deng


    • Stateless and Faithless

      How do you know he turned away from God? Maybe he was always a scumbag and a charlatan.

      Also, fun fact: religious people sometimes do bad things too.

    • Patrick

      It is the height of arrogance and hypocrisy to say that Christianity has a monopoly on morality and moral behavior. You should probably examine that plank in your eye.

    • Lord Faulteroy

      That’s the most ignorant thing I’ve ever read. As if morality cannot exist outside of faith. So, in your eyes, every single person who is an athiest wants to break all laws, murder, steal, and harm others?

      There is an absurdity in speaking in absolutes, the way you’re doing. Especially when you have no empirical data to back up your claims.

      Good people are good people, regardless of their religion.

    • Larry

      Um, yeah, there are plenty of alleged ‘christians’ who are quite ‘evil’… There is no denying that…

  • fly on the wall

    Trying to have your wife taken out, and failing at it, that’s lame. But figuring out what you believe in – good for you. Too bad he feels marriage is meaningless though. You don’t have to believe in God to enjoy a happy marriage. There are lots of happy atheists in the world. I guess his views are pretty negative and limited. If he had just come out as an atheist in a normal respectable way I might have bought his album. Haha.

  • Caesar

    If someone claims he or she is a good person because of their religious beliefs, or rather, if someone claims he or she doesn’t do terrible things, like cheating or hiring contract killers, because they are religious, then that’s one person I’d never trust and I’d keep my eye on. Simply because they are admitting deep down inside they are bad people who would hurt others if it wasn’t for their beliefs. A moment of doubt in their faith could basically put you at risk. A good person is a good person regardless of their religion, and I’m sure that judging people as bad just because they are non-believer is sin. I know many atheists who are wonderful people and many religious people who are terrible people. Do what Jesus told you to do and stop judging others based of their faith or their lack of faith.

  • towerhil

    C’mon – you could tell he’s not a Christian because he eats bacon, which is forbidden by the bible. He does have the bible-mandated haircut though – nice forelocks. It’s disappointing he didn’t hire a man to stone his wife to death, but what can you do with these atheists?

  • Daya

    If you need a belief in a god to not murder, steal or rape- you ARE immoral. A moral person should not do any of those things regardless of whether they believe in a god or not.

  • Paul DeArment

    I would check out

    He’s the only one who scored an interview with the guy and reveals some good details

  • GtB

    Religion (or the lack thereof) does not excuse anything.

    You’ll find murderers who identify as Muslim, as Christian, as atheist. This guy is just trying to blame something else then himself. But he made the decisions.

    (I’m not entirely sure if the murderer thing applies to Buddhists though :P)

  • crisanca

    Wow, the way he talks about cheating on his wife..convenient morality because God doesn’t exist.u had never been a godly person, not even before.
    Its just media, u start with Christian music because u were not good enough for secular.Who are you fooling…and now you gonna get fans because of that, all the high school kids that are rebellious.
    Hahaha,what a joke!!

  • Concerned reader

    getting cold in your faith does not equate to Atheism. Lambesis’ foundation was not strong therefore, he was persuaded into a different belief system. A real relationship with God would not allow for such thing. I agree, the “atheist” part is nothing but a justification for his actions. We all have at some point done that. This only makes us more deserving of God’s love and grace.

    Get off your soap boxes. Having played in a christian band in a secular world, I know for a fact that is not easy to keep your faith intact. if you have not been in an environment that questions everything about your beliefs and pushes you to do the exact oposite; then you are just blowing hot air.

    most inmates understand and find God and freedom inside prison walls, because they now know what it means to be bound by chains and not be able to escape.

    Pray that God will reveal himself to Lambesis so clearly that he will not be able to deny Him. If you still have doubt, read Saul/Paul’s story.

  • ralph zubiate

    Man, a lot of atheists spend a lot of their time trolling Christian websites, don’t they? Interesting.

  • Concerned reader

    By the way, As I Lay Dying never really professed to be a christian band. They just kinda got thrown in there because members were christian. I know professional christian musicians but play professionally with people like Usher, John Legend, Country superstars and more. This does not make Usher, Legend or anyone else christians. It’s how they live their lives and the fruit you give. it speaks by itself.

  • Mantastic

    Becoming an atheist and freeing yourself from the bounds of religion and voluntary brainwashing is a wonderful thing.

    Lying about being Christian to sell records, cheating on your spouse, and hiring a hitman to murder someone however, is just being a dick. His being Atheist (which I’m not entirely convinced of since he still refers to things being sins) or a Christian is irrelevant to it. Bad behavior is bad behavior.

  • jenna

    And this is why I listen to underoath.

  • Thomas Hampton

    What an interesting story. This reminds me of the Catholic Church’s problem with pedophilia and how those who have committed these travesties never waiver in their faith, but that doesn’t stop them from taking advantage of children. These stories are still playing out in the counts and in the papers, even after all of these years.

    And one might come to the conclusion that it is ultimately the person who decides to be good or bad, and not necessarily the God they worship, or even if they worship a God at all.

    But then again, this truth is already obvious to most as one eventually realizes that folks who are immersed in faith and those without any can lead very similar lives.

  • Jesse Conlay

    Lol. Why didn’t your god prevent him from leading children astray with his pseudo-Christian music? Is it because (s)he “works in mysterious ways”? What a cop-out. These increasingly progressive and liberal interpretations of Christianity are sickening; if you’re going to adhere to fables and legends as the roots of your belief system, at least do it with some dedication and consistency. Not all of this “I interpret the Bible in whatever way is most convenient for me” crap that almost all modern “Christians” are doing. Posers. Even satirical Satanists have more conviction than you do.

  • Daniel

    God speaks about these empty should in 2 Peter.

  • Betty C

    What I can’t get over is how many people are complaining about the anti-Christian bias of the article. It’s the Christian News. Really? If you’re not Christian, why even read it if you know the site’s leanings? Getting emotional and offended by a Christian news site’s Christian viewpoints is somewhat ridiculous. Go complain about Christianity on anti-Christian sites with other anti-Christian people. Some of you are really criticizing Christians for being narrow-minded as you sit here being narrow-minded yourselves. Live and let live. Mind your own business. Stick with your own kind. All good advice probably given to you long ago by your mothers.

  • Andrew G

    It’s funny – I love when people call themselves atheists – So, you atheists all have omniscience to know that there is nothing that has omniscience and omnipotence. Okay, then save yourselves from death – or create yourselves from dust. Or try to create the very first steps of life from nothing in a lab. It hasn’t been done even with all of our technology. I find most people who call themselves atheists (I used to be one of them for years) have no clue about the cosmology of the universe, the origin of species, the multi-dimentionality in our universe, the complex design and balance in everything in the cosmos – and most of all, have NO CLUE what is in the bible. They are just mad (and sometimes rightly so) at organized religion so they blame or discount God by lumping mans inherent flaws in with God. Truth is, once you truly experience the interactivity and blessings of the real loving God, it becomes an undeniable truth that can’t be undone by the wiles of the world. My guess is that no one in As I Lay Dying ever experienced that.

  • Eva Robles

    I have personal relation with God and have seen the changes he has made in my so many lives no one can move me from my believe. Too bad that others did’t give God a chance.I know that I know that HE is real and that HIS word is truth.

  • I’ve seen a lot of people on here claim to be a good person. Personally, I would never say that about myself. I am not a good person at all. Can you be honest with yourself? If you think you’re a good person, check out and click on “Are You a Good Person?” I’ll be honest…will you?

  • D. Kermott

    I’m amazed that we have to define what being a “Christian” is. Don’t bother checking a worldly dictionary (or wikipedia) — read the Bible.

    Here’s a check list — it’s as simple as A, B, C

    Admit you are a sinner on your way to hell (Rom 3:23 Rom 6:23 Acts 3:19 Rom 3:23 1 John 1:9-19 )

    Believe Jesus is God, the only way to heaven, and that he is raised from the dead. John 3:16 John 14:6 Rom 5:8 (Belief alone is not enough — even the devil believes and trembles — James 2:19)

    Confess your faith to others (Rom 10:9-13)
    Have you given your heart and life to Jesus and seek to do His will? (Romans 12:2, Romans 8:29, Ephesians 2:10, 2 Tim 1:12)

    That’s all! The rest is up to the Holy Spirit. Read and Study the Bible — it contains all you need to know to make you wise unto Salvation through Jesus Christ.


    Well I hope he still knows that The Lord has not abandoned him, even for solicitation of murder… sad and lonely state to be in. They were a tight band too… bummer.

    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      Take a deep breath here,”WAYLIFE”…Don’t assume that Mr,Lambesis was a christian to begin with,there are many who,while they may be in church can still be outside Christ.I myself was once backslidden for a few years,but even in that state there were lines I would NOT cross,and plotting the murder of an innocent human being ( worse,someone that I purported to love!) was certainly one of those lines.Thank God this foul scheme didn’t succeed,and perhaps Mr.Lambesis will take this opportunity to reflect,and perhaps meet the True and Living God,truly. [ Mr.Lambesis certainly found out that Almighty God is not mocked,didn’t he? ]—PEACE IN CHRIST.

      • WAYLIFE

        I appreciate the comment. But I wasn’t making any assumptions. The only thing that was clear ‘from this article’ is that he is / was clearly deceived.

        • judyt00

          no, he was a bent, twisted individual who used the term atheism as an excuse to do despicable things. Atheists are far more moral than this guy ever could be

          • AugustineThomas

            So it’s just a huge coincidence that people who call themselves atheists and speak as atheists convincingly have been the worst mass murderers in history and have the highest rates of depression and suicide?

          • Spencer Kelty

            Prove it. That is actually flat out false. Christians have a higher suicide rate, higher incarceration rate, and a higher divorce rate.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Prove THAT,Kelty.These pronouncments go both ways,my friend.

          • marah natha

            Ever hear of Stalin? Pol Pot? Homosexuals have a higher suicide rate. As for divorce, you may have a point. Many Christians are half in, half out Christians.

          • Balerion

            Stalin wasn’t an atheist – he worshiped HIMSELF as a god.

            Communism had all of the trappings of a cult, with the power of the state behind it. They banned all (other) religion because they refused to tolerate the existence of any sort of ideological competition whatsoever.

          • Spencer Kelty

            True. The kindest most moral people I have ever known have been atheists. And some of the most despicable people have been theists.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            And vice versa,Spencer Kelty.

          • marah natha

            But nobody has ever been kinder than Jesus. He is the standard.

          • Annie Law

            True there are some very kind atheist and very kind Hindu’s, Muslims, and most religions. But who is their God? Everyone has a God they worship/bow down to, has first place in their heart and life. Even atheists! an atheist may not have a formal religion but his god is himself/herself. There is only One true God/Creator of the universe and the heavens. He is not the Islam god, He is the Jewish and Christian God of the Bible. Jesus Christ is the Word of God made flesh. There is no other name under heaven given to man other than the name Jesus Christ to be Saviour of the world. (Acts 4:12 and John 14:6) Whoever you continually put first in your life, and whose wisdom you rely on is your god. The fool has said in his heart that there is no God. We have all been fools before we turned to Christ Jesus.

          • marah natha

            Maybe so, but they sure have a problem with humility.

        • marah natha


      • judyt00

        way to go, there the old “no true Scotsman” theory at work. you are stupid and not worth arguing to but you might consider apologizing to all those real christians out there for being such a douche

        • marah natha

          Most Christians have times of being out of fellowship for some reason or other, momentarily or some for years. The point is, God never gives up on us, so much so that God considered himself “married to the backslider.” That is His commitment to the ones He’s redeemed. He is faithful no matter how faithless we are until we draw our last breath.

      • Spencer Kelty

        Stay away from the no true Scotsman logical fallacy there buddy.

        • Laurence Charles Ringo

          The so- called” No True Scotsman”analogy has no relevancy in the Christian World,”buddy”; only to those who are ignorant of what True Life in Christ entails does that theory strike a chord.As Jesus Himself said,”he who is not with Me is against Me” and it won’t take long to discern the difference: “You will know them by their fruit”.Peace.

          • Spencer Kelty

            Yeah, actually it does. Its a logical fallacy, it pertains to everything and anything. The definition of Christian is “one who believes that christ is the son of god.” If someone believes this they are a Christian. Saying they are not, because of (insert bad deed here) is a perfect example of the no true scotsman fallacy. There have been a lot of terrible Christians. Hitler, Andrew Jackson, David Koresh, etc.

          • marah natha

            I know people who believe Jesus is the “Son of God” that are not Christians. Jehovah’s Witnesses, for one. They don’t believe in the Trinity at all. That’s just one group. Hitler had all Bibles taken out of Churches and replaced them along with crosses with Mein Kampf and swastikas. Did you mean Jesse Jackson? (:D) As for David Koresh, he was also not a Christian or Jim Jones who also tore up Bibles and said they were not from God. They certainly had not asked Jesus into their hearts.

          • Annie Law

            Hitler may have claimed to be a Christian but he definetly was not! This Hitler was into Satanism. Satan was his god, just like Satan is the god of ISIS. You cannot do what they do and not be under the strong influence or even demonization of Satan. By their fruit you will know them. All Hitler’s fruit was rotten and full of worms. No Christian is perfect in this life and still occasionally sins… but is still saved and confesses it and strives to hate the sin that is giving him a problem. I said hate the sin…not the sinner. 😉 Some people call themselves Christians if they are not Jewish, or Muslim, or Hindu, or whatever, in order to distinguish them from other religions they are not really into. Even Atheists are religious in that they are a group of people who think of themselves as their own god. Just believing with your mind that Jesus Christ is the Son of God is not enough to save one. Even Satan and his demons believe Jesus is the Son of God and they tremble. You must recognize you are a sinner in need of a Saviour and recognize Jesus is the Only One who can save. Then you must believe that He provided everything needed for our salvation through His shed blood on the cross, His death, and resurrection. Then you must put your faith and trust in Him who paid the penalty for your sin and attributed His sinless life to your account so you could live for Him for eternity, beginning now. He died for us so that we could live for Him.:)

    • pulseimpact

      I was not a fan of the band, but there were a lot of atheists talking about how this Christian band’s lead singer tried to kill his wife so I got curious. With further research he is not a Christian or hypocrite as much as he is a deceiver and charlatan.

    • Did not abandon him indeed. If he did, his ex would have been murdered and he would be in jail for a far far longer time.

    • The Bus From Speed

      But all those starving AIDS babies in Africa can go fuck themselves.

      Fuck your god.

      • Stephen “Steve” Sponsler

        Those babies are way better off than you’ll ever be, pardoxically.

      • marah natha

        Babies have not reached the age of accountability (13, Bar-Mitzvah age) and are not judged for their sins unless thy are totally knowledgeable, as far as we know.

        • Annie Law

          Not only babies but even in the desert the first 40 years the people died before seeing the promised land but all those who were under 20 went on to reach the promised land. Also, the age is an age of accountability. An age of being able to understand. Therefore anyone who had a brain injury or was not capable of understanding I believe would be considered as a child. Only God knows everything including our thoughts and our deepest motives for everything we do and that is how He will judge the accountability of everyone. We can judge what sin is, but we cannot judge another’s heart reasons. Only God is capable of that. God judges by the person’s heart motives and He will judge accurately because we cannot hide anything from Him. As a Christian this should give your heart peace but as a non-Christian it should give you cause for reflection on the One who died for you because He loved you enough, and me, to die for us while we were still sinners.

    • marah natha

      I never heard of them

  • John Mark IB

    sadly too many today accept the worldly contemporary and anything called Christian and say it’s all good and GOD must be in it because it names the names of Jesus and or sounds good to our ears etc., same as yoga call it Christian and voila there you go! sorry there is better Christ honoring GOD honoring real music that is not contemporary and or worldly not quite unlike what we’ll have a hint of in Glory stuff that makes GOD’S ears happy not worldly sensuality rock n roll etc., rap, many great sites here for those who hold to the old Time Religion and as GOD’S Preserved Words say hymns, psalms , spiritual songs, sorry but men should also be seen as men not with the hair of women, ha ha just saying the outward does describe lack of or proof of inward heart change or does it not?? again let’s be Scriptural and GOD honoring men are to be dressed and seen as men and sadly women wear the tights and gird their loins wearing the pants that men are to be wearing so no wonder men stop and look at the second skins??? not GOD honoring but just saying ha ha I’ll get creamed by the haters for this one for sure too although its not my intent to debate or stir up the haters just be biblical and GOD honoring stop following the world as the modern so called church follows her,
    Ephesians 5:19

    Colossians 3:16

    • Kris KB Boguniewicz

      Well stated.

      • judyt00

        oh look yet another misogynistic garbage thinks he can tell women what to wear and how to dress

    • judyt00

      Welcome to the 21st century, you misogynistic garbage. when that little story was written, men didn’t wear pants either, just different skirts than women

      • John Mark IB

        as for you and your atheist buddy sorry I did reply earlier but they won’t let me list my links here so I’ll try again and waste my time with you , really I am giving you the sad little show you seem to want here, haha 🙂 and wasting my time, but how nasty a comment for you to make, I truly hope you’re in good physical health you and yours and mental and spiritual??? possibly a troll looking for the trouble and getting your desired response?? ok then here we go,
        wow how sweet of you to reply to my comments I can truly see what a sad and bitter person you really are?? too bad, but it’s your utter ignorance that you reveal with your nasty and bitter harsh comments, which you make not knowing the people involved and who they really are in person and true life, ?? that’s just dumb!! sorry, when honestly you have no basis in fact for your remarks, but as you are a lost atheist and an misandrist? or a obvious deep hater of men!! an their traditional roles as provider protector etc., and it’s obvious you have no respect for a truly honorable and chivalrous gentleman which I while not using pride do try my best to be a chivalrous man and treat all women with dignity and respect which you have no idea who I am so please quit making false assumptions when it’s actually your hatred of men that is coming forth here not anything but!!!! I don’t have to reveal my personal life to you but it’s just a sad fact here that because of your hatred of GOD and GOD’S Words and His Laws and Rules of men being men and women being women and the roles for distinction between the two masculine feminine!! well let’s just cut to the chase here ok dear atheist lady who like to play the name calling and nasty games, bottom line in your life right now and any moment could be your last breathe!!! what will you do with Jesus ?? what will you do with the man Christ Jesus?? this will be your whole existence in a nutshell here’s hope below may you and yours have a healthy blessed day and week with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!! may you overcome your hatred of Him and His eternal love for you and His ultimate sacrifice for you and yours!! before it’s too late and you breath your last!!
        http:// faith saves .net/ salvation
        http:// faith saves . net/ Daniel- proof- bible/
        http:// www . pillar and ground. org/ home/?page_id=36

    • gods need not apply

      Speaking of being scriptural, I see you have some favorite verses. Do you follow all the laws of the bible or just your favorites? Here are some that were important to me becoming who I am today:

      Mixed materials in one piece of clothing forbidden, Deut. 22:11.

      Jesus commands hatred of your family, Luke 14:26

      Stoning unruly children, Deut. 21:18-21

      Killing your child for no other reason than god says to…oh, wait just kidding, Genesis 22:1-12

      Gender inequality, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

      God is afraid of what people united can accomplish, Genesis 11:6

      God commands slavery and rape, Deuteronomy 20:10-14

      God commands death to unbelievers, Exodus 22:19 & Chronicles 15:12-13

      • John Mark IB

        sorry I tried to answer your harsh attacks in a previous remark but they don’t allow my links to be put in so I’ll have to respond again, hope you’re doing well in health mentally spiritually, ???? thanks for not being vulgar at least and too profane with the language at least, and as an atheist?? thanks for visiting the Christian news sites I guess the atheists seem to like to look to stir things up and go on the attack as always against the Christians and but never would they really go after the muslims haha too scared?? and plus everyone knows that Jesus is the all hated cuss word in English as well as the Truth which everyone hates Him and His !! Jesus says He is The Absolute Truth!! The Only Way, and The Only Life and no man or woman comes to the Father but by Him!!! I see you and your friend are giving me the double team haha I’m so fortunate!!
        wow thank so much for the kind dialog and reply but seeing as you’re an atheist who basically has no moral or final authority, it’s funny how you guys simply think by picking and choosing what to attack from or in GOD and His Preserved Words that you have really won the battle and wow yep you win based on your feeble and weak attacks of His Laws to Moses and His chosen Nation and People Israel ??? of course let’s cut to the chase here, ok, ??
        sadly the real and bottom line to all of your existence, comes down to this: who or what is your final authority? and the real bottom line is this what will you do with Jesus ?? what will you do with the man Christ Jesus ???
        here’s hope see below, if you’re honestly objective and sincerely seeking meaning and truth ?? may you and yours have a blessed day and week with health, love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen! if you’re sincerely seeking the truth and absolutes which absolutely do exist, then please see the following if not then consider the question what will you do with Jesus?? as you breath your last precious breathe?? what will you do with Christ??
        http:// faith saves . net/ salvation
        http:// faith saves .net Daniel- proof- bible/
        http:// www . pillar and ground. org/ home/?page_id=36

  • John True

    This is old news. I quit listening to them YEARS ago because of this.

  • Emmanuel Sarmiento Ilagan

    May you post list of Christian bands that are legit?

    • Kris KB Boguniewicz

      Sovereign Strength
      Saving Grace
      Bought by Blood
      Your Memorial
      And just about any band off of Facedown Records save a few

    • Spencer Kelty

      Red is pretty damn Christian if you like metal. I used to love them before I realized I needed to stop listening to Christian nonsense. Musically they are really talented.

  • Michael Castner

    If he stayed christian he wouldnt have cheated on his wife?that is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.

    • judyt00

      did you know the highes rate of adultery is among christians who say they can always ask forgiveness, so it really doesn’t matter

      • marah natha

        But they are deceived and presuming on the grace of God. This is why this guy and others get caught. They don’t submit to the gentle conviction of God, so He beings tougher penalties upon them to bring them back to Him. Josh Dugger comes to mind. The ball is completely in his court now.

      • jtbdad

        Citation please.

    • Spencer Kelty

      Christians have a higher rate of divorce than atheists, so the joke is on them.

      • Laurence Charles Ringo

        Says who,Kelty?

    • marah natha

      If he was obedient to God, he wouldn’t have sinned. He even shows how he got turned around and confused. Why would a Christian study religion from a non-Christian?

  • True Protestantism is now reduced to a fraction of a fraction.
    Please read this condensed message:

  • A Larson

    Ironic. The tile of his Group “As I Lay Dying” Speak of how he was really living. When you deny God, You are dying. See how satan turns on you when your seving him?

    • DisqusBurner1983

      I guess Satan is a Faulkner fan then?

    • judyt00

      oh, grow up gods don’t exist except in the imagination of the scared

      • Theresa Easley

        I think you’re scared there is a God.

        • judyt00

          nope. I really would like to meet the SOB. he has a lot to answer for and needs a good kick in the scrotum. you are lucky he is imaginary

          • What does he have to answer for? The fact that he helped give you life and still allows you to exist in this world and make your own choices to make your own life better and make the lives of others around you better? What ever “tragedy” that happened in your life is not God’s fault. Look at a bigger picture instead of the small picture of your “loss.” Are you one of those people that love to use the phrase “everything happens for a reason.” There was a reason in the bigger picture of life why what ever “happened to you” happened.

          • Steven Cannon

            Sadly, MeatShield, it’s not just his personal loss that he’s referring to. Let me just say this, for a god that demands our love, attention and total worship, he sure has a funny way of showing it. SHOWING… how about that? SHOW YOURSELF!? Of course, this man made religion thought a bit about that and cleverly inserted a bible verse that should solve that problem:

            Exodus 33:20 “But He said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”

            Wow. They tried to cover all their bases didn’t they?

            Lemme get this straight: The creator of the universe, who hangs planets in the sky on NOTHING, and has them rotate around a bright, deadly star on NOTHING AT ALL, no “strings” pulling the planets, this creator who made (supposedly) this vast and amazing universe can’t figure out a way that man can “see god and live?” Really? How convenient…

            And don’t EVEN get me started about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, people who were probably just partying and having a good time. And the millions who died from drowning (a horrible way to die if ever there was one), WHY THE PLANTS AND ANIMALS, GOD? Those aren’t capable of sin? What did they ever do to you to deserve a death like that?

            Fuck yeah, this christian god has a LOT to answer for…

          • Tony

            He didn’t make Religion… make did. Believe Babel there was only one belief and that was man and God.. Babel changed everything false God began in the wake of it’s fall. Those Not found written in the book of Life is already dead. Atheism believing in NOTHING so You are nothing and will get your death that is Due to you.

          • marah natha

            We are all written in the Book of Life. We have to make a decision to be blotted out. That is the mercy of God. It’s His will that none should perish, but we decide our own fate by the choices we make, the voices we listen to.

          • Savvy

            If you have questions about God stuff, I would be excited to try and answer them. And maybe ask about how you see things too. Thanks

          • Bruce

            If you were the all powerful God, would you send your only son to be mercilessly persecuted and tortured when you could of sent anyone?
            Thanks Dad……

          • Savvy

            Who could God have sent? This is a war between Him and Satan, a war to be able to have His creation be able to come back to Him. There is the God head (Trinity as some call it) which consists of God, Jesus and the holy spirit. So God came as man to the earth to fight His battle.

            He was the only one who could. The only one without sin and power over death. As far as I know, no other man has been born of a virgin, forfilled all of the prophisies about him, and came back from being dead for three days by himself.

            The God Head might answer Exodus 20:3. What version of the Bible are you using? I like to use the Complete Jewish Bible, God’s Word, and the Amplified version.

            Sorry if this isn’t very of an answer!

          • Donielle Werner

            Agreed… You really don’t wanna hear my true beliefs on the subject…. Actually by ur comment… you probably would… But either way I enjoyed hearing thoughts on the matter.

          • Annie Law

            God is One yet there are three Persons in the Godhead. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. As Persons, they are separate yet each God. They always work together for the same purpose and are in total agreement. Salvation was the plan from the beginning before the world was created. Knowing created man would sin, the three Persons of the Godhead planned a way to offer salvation to all those who recognize they are sinners and put their faith in the Son of God, Jesus Christ. They counselled together and Jesus willingly chose to go to the cross to pay the penalty for the sin of all those who would recognize themselves as sinners in need of a Saviour. Each person is saved when they put their faith in Jesus Christ and His shed blood on the cross. This means Jesus not only paid our sin penalty but put His own righteous life to our account. He died and rose again on the third day and put His righteousness to our account so that we would belong to Him and escape hell. Therefore, no one has to go to hell. They have opportunity to recognize they are a sinner in need of salvation and grace and can turn to Jesus Christ in faith that He will give them a new heart to follow and desire to live for Him. He will never reject anyone who is humble and sincere in seeking Him. On the other hand, He will never force anyone to come to Him. It has to be your choice. It is heaven or hell. Jesus wants to keep you from hell… but it has to be your choice. Since there is no other way other than through Jesus Christ to get to heaven, if you reject Him and don’t change your mind, hell will be the default place for those who do not want Christ Jesus in their lives. God reaches out to everyone of every nation in some way so that no one will be able to correctly accuse Him of not caring about them or warning them. Please consider this, like a father with open arms waiting for a lost child to come home, Jesus is waiting for you to run to His arms. I hope you will. 🙂

          • Thin-ice

            Word salad …

          • marah natha

            First of all, God doesn’t demand anything, you can’t make somebody love you and He has given us freewill. God showed His love for us by giving his only Son to die for our sins. When you accept Him as Lord and Savior, every sin you’ve ever done is forgiven for all time and God has the capacity to forget every wrong you’ve ever done, giving you a clean slate. He then sets you on a journey to grow in grace and knowledge of the truth so far as you allow Him to. It’s true, nobody has seen the face of God, but we have seen His character in His Son. Even Moses only saw the hem of God’s garment as He passed by and His glory was such that Moses’ face glowed for days. We are human and can no more understand God than my dog can understand her human. As for Sodom and Gomorrah, trying to rape people that visit your neighbor is what you consider just people “partying?” Lot’s daughters were both married women, yet both were virgins because everyone in those places were gay. I guess they just wanted their dowries. Noah preached to everyone before the flood. They all mocked him and refused God’s grace. It wasn’t that God only wanted to save 8 people, they were the only ones willing to be saved at that time. And just who does God have to answer to?

          • Omega Awareness

            And yet you browse Christian websites.

          • Rebecca

            The definition of a troll.

          • Thin-ice

            Just to remind myself of all the nonsense I gave up when I quit being a born-again believer after 46 years.

          • Hermit Green

            However, He doesn’t answer to you – but you will have to answer to Him ond day. God didn’t desire death for anyone. That was man’s choice. Everyone who He may have caused the death of, was going to die anyway. Guess what – if you continue to sin and refuse to repent, He may end your life. Sin is like a cancer, and it eats away at all of us. But He is holy, and like a good physician, He *will* cut sin out at some point. Do you argue that a physician has a lot to answer for because he cuts cancer out of people’s bodies?

          • cheryl

            Wow, you’re a very angry person aren’t you. You’ve got it all wrong about God
            But one thing I know for sure, you’ll never find God with that attitude. Ditch the attitude, seek God with an open heart and he’ll reveal himself to you. Trust me, you’ll feel much better.

          • a friend

            how can you meet someone who you don’t believe in? How do you know He does not exist?

          • marah natha

            I don’t believe in Santa Clause but I’ve met him a few times. How do I know He does not exist? I talk with Him all the time and He answers my prayers. When I see the Washington Monument, I know it didn’t just form from some trash blowing across the mall that just blew together right. The monument is a grain of sand compared to the complexity of a human eye. I know I can never convince anyone else, only God can do that.

          • SavannahSummer

            Don’t worry you WILL be getting that meeting and your knee WILL bow and that vile tough of yours WILL confess.

          • AugustineThomas

            I’m sorry you’re angry at God. I’ll pray for you!

          • You most definitely are going to meet Him.

        • judyt00

          I think you are scared to stand on your own two feet. Do you still need to hold hands crossing the road?

          • Jeremy Grimes

            Careful what you wish for Judy…

          • SavannahSummer

            To late now Jeremy bc she WILL get that meeting for sure and for certain.

          • Tony

            Judyt00 is already dead. Lucky for her there is still time. But, the moment of death is unknown so time is too short ton play a game with God.

          • Stephen “Steve” Sponsler

            For the wicked boasts of his heart’s desire, And the greedy man curses and spurns the LORD. The wicked, in the haughtiness of His Countenance, does not seek Him. All his thoughts are, “There is no God.”… (thank you for verifying the facts for all to see around the world)

          • marah natha

            I would be afraid if I didn’t know God existed. When I see ISIS having their way with Christians all across the Middle East, I would be very fearful, but I know that better people than I am have died martyr’s deaths and I know Jesus said no matter what we go through, He will go through it with me, even if I am beheaded. We are no better than our Master and they crucified Him. No suffering we do on this side of glory will compare to the joy we will have on the other side.

      • Defog

        Judy – I don’t care what you believe. Why do you care the least about what anyone else chooses to believe? Must be a slow day for you – why don’t you just go out and live it up any way you want to – even to the point of killing someone you no longer like – since there is no everlasting punishment ahead for you. Just do the deed smartly to avoid being caught (this guy was dumb). Share your body with whomever to experience sexual fulfillment to the max. Do intoxicating substances. Get your highs however you can – but don’t waste your time getting your high by putting others down via comments on some dumb ass web site. You life is too short for that. I know mine is, and I just wasted 2 minutes replying to you.

      • Konstantinos Karagiannis

        did you seriously go to a Christian website just for the sake of telling people that they are emotionally weaker because they believe in something biiger than themselves? Atheists are supposed to be tolerant and we Christians are supposed to be the “bad guys”! I used to respect atheists eventhough I disagree with them on some things, but you are just an ignorant bitch! The fact that you’re an atheist is nothing special whatsoever! You live in the Western world in a time of religious apathy, so you’re just a product of your time nothing more, nothing less! The fact that you (and others like you, regardless of their faith) have access to the internet and use it to impose your beliefs on others instead of trying to do something stimulating like learn a new language or stuff about a foreign culture is why I think people should have to take an IQ test to have access to the internet! To conclude, if you want to be a halfwit, so be it as long as you do it in private where noone will know how stupid you are!

      • Stephen “Steve” Sponsler

        judy is a non-existent troll and probably some angry 16 year old boy who got spanked one too many times or would prefer his xbox god

        • Spencer Kelty

          Why do you think that? By what I see Judy is a highly intelligent individual who has valid doubts about theism.

      • Geoffrey Brockmeier

        Being rude and obnoxious does NOT win people over. It just makes you look well, rude and obnoxious.

        Have you ever acted snide and nasty to people and had them say, “Goodness, you’re totally right! Thank you for talking to me in such a spiteful, hostile, and condescending manner. You’ve made me see the light!”

      • Firefly

        KK, I get it. Someone puts on a front, misleads their fans, cheats on & then and tries to kill his wife, and all you have to say is “grow up”. K, got it.

        • marah natha

          The post before her that Judy100 responded to has been deleted, so I’m not sure what she’s saying, but I don’t see what she’s saying is about the group or lead singer of this “Christian” group.

      • Spencer Kelty

        It’s nice to see another voice of reason here. But Judy, one piece of advice. Avoid making truth statements you can’t back up. While there is almost no chance a God exists, saying God doesn’t exist is making a positive statement and putting the burden of proof on you.

      • Michael Link

        I became a Christian at 42yrs old after living the life as a rabid atheist who thought I was smarter than those dumb Christians and their dead gods…

        Glad I did grow up and find the real Truth…and it’s never too late for you too, judy…

        • Tony

          She is already Dead unless she changes but, Time is too short to play the game.

      • Rose An Alday

        Maybe you can try challenge Him to reveal Himself to you??

        The #1 reason why Christians cannot abandon hope and trust to God is God Himself. He has revealed Himself to us in so many different ways (obviously and doubtlessly Him) that it has already become too hard for us not to believe.

        Maybe if you will pray to Him, challenge Him, and ask Him your questions, maybe He will show you. Just try. That’s what I did when I was already doubtful of His existence.

      • Tony

        If Texans don’t go up to Wisconsin and mess in their business then why
        in the doo dads are they down in Texas messing with business that is
        none of their business????? Let Wisconsin take care of it’s own and
        Texas can do the same.
        These people somehow think they have all the
        rights and Christians don’t have any. The rights of Christians are just
        as valid and important as the right of any other people out there, so I
        would question Who put them in charge of being the police in the first
        place? They are Already dead. Judyt00 is already dead. God rest her soul. The wrath will not be taken so lightly. The pain she will endure will not be minor. Funny people that have a problem ” in the one true God” But , will voice deception upon the land. If they do not believe and any God why would it even bother them. Same as believing in a fairies and the Easter bunny. I would say Santa but he was modeled after a real person Many many Yrs ago. Kind of bad to believe in NOTHING !!! One God 3 parts In Nomine Patri et Filii et Spiritus Sancti in Greek εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος, eis to onoma tou Patros kai tou Huiou kai tou Hagiou Pneumatos . The ONLY belief that is HATED BY ALL OTHERS

      • marah natha

        They certainly exist in the minds of the arrogant. They say stupid things like you are saying all of the time.

      • Steve B


  • Death defeater

    Please be honest Lambesis you were never a Christian to begin with. Just tell the truth. For no one really saved would ever abandon Jesus Christ….

    • Kris KB Boguniewicz

      “even the elect will be deceived” (Matt. 24:24). He may be saved but is in serious serious need of repentance of these sins.

      • Avery Haqq

        That’s not what it says. It says false prophets will come with signs and wonders, seeking to deceive the elect, IF POSSIBLE.

    • guestus

      How do you know? Are you saved?

      • Death defeater

        Yes I am born again. but no one who is truly saved will leave the faith. It is an impossibility.

        • judyt00

          no, you aren’t “born again” you are however very gullible

          • Death defeater

            Yes I am. If you think that man was saved and then lost salvation, then you are in false doctrine. It is not possible to be born again and then lose salvation. I have studied this issue and have a PhD. Have you ever studied it? Probably not. You just want to get on here and think you know who is saved and not. Tell me who told you salvation could be lost your church, your preacher? Did you research? The man says he is now and atheist and even said basically he never really believed. His words. By the way has God ever told you that you are his and He is yours. Well He has me…I am spirit filled blood bought Christian. My salvation is not based on your insults or foolishness. But on my faith in Christ his death, his burial and resurrection… Hoping you find Jesus not religion.!

          • judyt00

            what are you talkingabout I NEVER said you were saved and then lost salvation, I said the whole thing is a huge crock of shit. and suuuure you have a PhD, if you were that intelligent you wouldn’t go on about saved by jesus you;d admit you were nothing but a scam artist, trying to force your stupidity onto others. AND again, that asshole was NEVER atheist, he was using it as an excuse to be evil, but unfortunately, christians are more immoral and evil than any atheist . you need to get back on your prozac, idiot

          • Death defeater

            So you are lost eternally. Just as I suspected. I hope and pray you find Jesus Christ. Because he is your only hope…By the way you do need help yourself. I pray you get it.

          • judyt00

            I wouldn’t want to live eternally especially with idiots like you there

          • Death defeater

            I kn ow your lost and loving it. You deny God and others. It must make you feel better to be calling people names and hating. Good luck on life.

          • a friend

            where will you live then when you die judy? Have you thought about that? Who will you spend eternity with? Don’t think of where others will be, but what about you? We are all human thinking with our human minds. We all are ignorant at times with what we say and do especially christians. There are those who give us wonderful faithful testimonies, and some not, Jesus said for each to follow Him. In the end someone will be wrong, are willing to take that chance. Search the scriptures Judy! You will not be disappointed. Jesus uses all things for His good!

          • Death defeater

            By the way madam I do have a PhD. It took three and half years of hard work…..ALso How am I a scam artist? I never asked you for anything. Finally, your words are disturbing. But I am done. All I can say is eternal matters are more then religion. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. Outside of Him there is no hope of salvation. Good luck in your life.

          • AugustineThomas

            As an atheist you hold the most absurd belief system in history, that nothingness, which can’t do anything, somehow led to everything.

          • Spencer Kelty

            Nothingness is less absurd than an all-powerful sky-daddy suddenly appearing and creating everything from nothing? No.

            We actually have mathematical proofs that show how the universe started. Quantum physics put the nail in the coffin for your beliefs.

            Atheism makes no assumptions. Right now all the scientific evidence points to a quantum event starting the universe.

    • judyt00

      calling horse crap on that one

      • Death defeater

        True Christians never leave the sheepfold….Believe it or not its scripture…..My sheep Jesus said hear my voice and obey. Other passages point out this fact. Jesus illustrated this with the metaphor of wheat and tares in the church. The wheat being the real believers while the tares the frauds….

        • judyt00

          bull shyte. true christians never got past grade school, then because people leave religion every single day often after 30 or 40 years of devout service. anyone who says they weren’t true christians needs a good hard kick in the balls for being a bigot of the worst kind

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Read my post again,judyt00.What the what is wrong with you?? I can name 20 Christian scholars with Phd’s up the wazoo,dear.Sounds like you need to get out more!

          • judyt00

            OOOO 20 christian scholars among thousands of atheist ones, Makes me wonder what you actually read, because you definitely haven’t read your bible. you know, the part that says don’t judge others, and don’t lie

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            O.K…I know I’ll be sorry,but l’ll try one more time.Judy,what I said was that I could name 20 Christian scholars with Phd’s; that’s ALL I said.YOU lied by claiming that…”true Christians never got past grade school”…which suggests one of two things, (1),you don’t actually know any true Christians,or (2),as I said in another post to you,for some reason known only to you,your hatred of Christians has pushed you over the edge,and you’ve become reduced to blindly spewing vitriolic attacks against a strawman”christian”you’ve constructed in your own imagination.Either way,no one is judging you;your own self-revelation is being played out all over this site! I implore you–Seek help,please.This level of vicious hatred can’t possibly be good for you,Judy.

          • judyt00

            putting words in my mouth> where did I tell you true christians never got past grade school. funny thing, I didn’t start to “hate” christians until they threatened me and my children for not paying their tithes and for feeding hungry children, and agail your veiled threats just make me mote angry at christians for insisting you are correct with not one gram of evidence to prove your stance. either give proof of your gods, or just F**K OFF and stop blaming atheists for everything you do wrong.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Sigh…You know what pictures as having” p (I like about Disqus,judyt00? Like those silly teenage girls who let their boyfriends take naked

          • judyt00

            sorry, again, I call BS on that you NEVER met Jesus. he never existed and you damned well know it, he definitely never met you in jail, you met some fucked up preacher who got you off because you turned christian, that happened a lot 40 years ago. stop lying and stop defending that POS christian who tried to murder his wife

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Well…That’s it,judyt00.I’m not surprised that you shot right past that blatant lie you got caught in; in your zeal to once again show the readers of this site your true colors,again you went off the deep end.I cannot convey in words my sadness at your deteriorating mental state; the hatred and vitriol,the profanities spewing from your obviously corrupted soul…YOU,judyt00,are truly in need of The Saviour.I’m done here; please,just move on with your life.This is a Christian website; only two things draws individuals of your ilk here:( 1),you realize how desperate your need of The Saviour TRULY is, even though you’re too cowardly to admit it, or (2),whatever your former”religion”was,it’s so twisted,warped and perverted your soul that you literally can’t help yourself—You HAVE to attempt to destroy what in the end will destroy you.Again,I strongly urge you judyt00: Seek help,NOW.I try to be understanding to those I engage with on these sites,but I must be brutally frank with you: You TRULY are seriously troubled,and you need help.I rarely encounter a truly hateful person on these sites,but…here you are.Seriously: SEEK HELP NOW!—PEACE IN CHRIST.

          • judyt00

            MY blatant lie, from the man who said he met Jesus, and yet you continue to paint me as a liar. you need serious anger management help fool. and help in staying on one conversation, as well. YOU have to stop trying to paint everyone around you as bullies and liars, since YOU do it all the time, typical born again christian garbage that you are, you think that you are allowed to do and say whatever you want and not be called on it and when you are, you resort to conversations with other people at other times to “prove” your point,. here’s a thought, you liar, if you insist you met your god, prove it exists outside your drug infected little mind

          • judyt00

            by the way, using part of a sentence to attempt to prove your point is fraud and immoral, but then, you do claim to be a true christian

          • Death defeater

            Wow you are not saved…..Just as I suspected. No one who is in Christ truly false way. Wheat and tares madam….If you fall away then you are tare which means your faith was fake not real….I am bigot…Wow what would you call Jesus or the apostles? Sad how lost you are…You have no clue what a bigot even is obviously. Again the man basically (Lambesis) says he was a fake…..I pray for your soul…Lord enlighten this one in the darkness. In Jesus name Amen….By the way I dont know your spiritual state, but one who curses and hurls insults sure is not walking with the Lord as they should be…

          • judyt00

            really< so if someone doesn't belong to YOUR church and spout the garbage your preacher does, that means you can claim their religion is fake??? in fact, idiot, its YOUR religion that is fake, and only in the US here nearly everything about religious talk is fake

          • Death defeater

            Your words madam condemn you!

          • judyt00

            your words prove you are gullible and immoral

          • Death defeater

            You have no idea of what you say…..Good luck on your life and in the after life.

          • Death defeater

            Your use words like fake, and bigot. But you are the real hater and bigot. It is obvious in your words. I would hate to be so full of hate as you obviously are. A relationship with Jesus Christ is more then religion. It is a relationship that lasts eternally. You spout off on something you know nothing about. Further, the evidence of God is real and you prove the word of God by your scoffing. For as it says in Peter’s epistle and in the Epistle of Jude “In the last days there will be scoffers”. It also says the fool hath said in His heart there is no God. I honestly hope you dont end up in a Christ less eternity. But the choice is yours. You can choice death and end up in Hell forever. Or you can choose life, repent and receive Jesus Christ as Savior. The choice is your. But as for me and my house we shall serve the LORD!

          • judyt00

            How can you have a relationship with Jesus when he has been gone for 2000 years, see, that’s where people stop listening to people like you .You insist you have a relationship with a character in book and expect people to accept that as fact. you still haven’t given any evidence your god exists so your god is real statement is lies, using the bible to try to prove it is real is circular reasoning and just plain stupidity. and you call yourself educated. perhaps you don’t comprehend what the word eternity means though since you keep throwing that word around. I really don’t care what the bible says, it has been proven to be full of lies and contradictions so is nothing more than historical fiction and not even good literature. give evidence your god exists and maybe we can talk

          • Death defeater

            Jesus is live and can be know. But you have to want to know Him. Obviously you dont. The biggest evidence is changed lives. My life has been changed and countless others. The church itself still exists today and is growing. Further, all the disciples became martyrs stating Jesus lived, died and arose again. No one dies for a lie. Further, countless others witnessed the resurrection of Christ including 500 people at once. Finally, if you desire evidence really, then sincerely ask the Lord Jesus Christ to reveal His self to you. If you do He will. But it has to be sincere and desired. I suspect by your attitude you have no desire. SO with all that being said. Have a good day…..

          • judyt00

            where is your evidence?????? and no, I don’t think praying will work, been there done that and got no answer. just like you don’t but you simply don’t admit it

          • Death defeater

            I gave you evidence. But yes I have had plenty of prayers answered. Just recently my aunt was healed of a tumor on her lungs….No medicine nothing just prayer….God healed her…..If you have to want God and be sincere…..

          • judyt00

            that is not evidence. those people changed their lives because they needed to, your god was just the crutch they used to go from one addiction to another. and no, your aunt was not healed of lung cancer, but nice lie

          • Death defeater

            Yes my aunt was healed of lung cancer….I was also healed of an extreme infection when I was 3 and my mother of cancer as well. You think you know my experiences or my families really? A crutch you say. Well I’d rather have a crutch and guarantee of eternal life. Further, I doubt you have ever sincerely ask Christ to reveal truth to you. I would also point out that many of the one’s you said had a crutch. Well they died as Martyrs and even today Christians are the most persecuted people on the planet. Yet they keep their faith until the end. Why is that? What do they know? Also, the Disciples of Jesus died refusing to recant their eye witness testimonies. For instance Peter was crucified upside down on the cross. Paul was beheaded. Thomas was speared to death. All these men said they saw the resurrected Lord and they died for it. Two facts here. There could have been any hallucination of what they saw. Because according to Psychologist two or more people do not have the same hallucination. Yet, all the disciples, women, and the five hundred saw Christ alive. Further, as I mentioned women. All the gospels have women the first at the tomb. In Jewish society a woman’s testimony was suspect. In fact , even in Greco- ROman society a woman’s testimony was not on par with a mans. So, why would the gospel writers say women were the first at the tomb to see Christ alive unless it were true. Finally, why would the disciples not recant and save their lives? Why? because Jesus is alive! They saw Him, touched Him and ate with Him. I know Jesus is alive because He is in my heart today. Lastly, since Christ is risen. Then all including you have a choice to make. Either you choose Christ and choose life or keep going down the road to destruction. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus!

          • pulseimpact

            Prayer has ALWAYS helped me. Truth is that I do not pray and thank God enough!

      • Laurence Charles Ringo

        Why? Can you tell the readers what it even means to be born again,judyt00? If you can,I would be the most surprised man on this site.1…2…3…GO!

        • judyt00

          been there done that, wasted my money,born again is just you saying you are special

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Been where and done what,judyt00? What are you talking about? Just answer the question,or be woman enough to admit that you have NO idea what you’re talking about.Seriously—What IS wrong with you? You truly have no idea what the Christian faith is about; just admit that.I have waay more respect for honest atheists than I do for pretentious posers like youself,blindly spewing hate and spite,sinking to the level of schoolyard bullying and name-calling.And you’re supposed to be an adult?? GROW UP,judyt00—Seriously.

          • judyt00

            I WAS a true christian for over 40 years , how long have you been one, and I do indeed know what the christian faith is all about, like most atheists I WAS christian until I started asking questions and was told that it was wrong to question religion. if that is the true christianity you are talking about, the one that stifles questions and curiosity, then your christianity is sick and wrong

    • Guest

      Matthew 24:24 “to deceive, IF POSSIBLE, even the elect” Kris KB Boguniewicz

  • Susan Ford Keller

    This guy has been lying for so long….he thinks everyone else lies, too. If only 1/10th of Christian bands are really Christian and he’s telling the truth, then why doesn’t he name them?

  • david

    and after Jesus fasted for 40 days He was hungry and the devil said “why dont you turn these stones to bread.

    the singer said athiest seemed to have the better argument. eating when you are hungry seems like a good argument but looking deeper there was a spiritual battle and a temptation going on.

    as for evil in this life , it is man and the devils , yes God could stop it and many think its cruel. but God does not live in time so the evil guys are burning in hell right now in God’s sight ,,,even if they are still alive in this dimension of time.

    bottom line they got weak through sin and started to question God. the faithful Christian will endure through pain even when it seems cruel for God must have a reason. rock stars says no , i know better, He doesnt have a reason and go to their joint , lsd, and to the toilet siting on their throne acting like they know more then God, or they fave the right to judge God while they sin

  • guestus

    I would propose that the Christian Music Industry produces boring, corny music because

    a. it stopped being a “ministry” a long time ago, and

    b. it scouts the rejects from the secular industry.

    Seriously, who writes those songs for Hillsong? Big Bird?

    • kobkoj

      are you familiar with “Oceans”? Big bird couldn’t have written that.

      • guestus

        You’re right. A Jesuit maybe? It’s repetitive. The chorus is sung straight through SIX times at least- this is drawing people into Altered States of Conciousness, which is mistaken for a mysterious outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and the worshipper subsequently seeks reinforcement by basing their worship experience on emotion rather than the Word of God.

        More importantly, this song and it’s type worship the Holy Spirit, who is not to be worshiped. Only God as Christ and the Father should be worshipped. Since we only worship IN spirit, by the Holy Spirit this song twists the God head into Spirit, Son, Father. It is essentially worshipping worship.

        It is based on an eisegesis of scripture and a misunderstanding of the word faith. It talks of faith as a noun, a mysterious entity of its own, when in both Greek and Hebrew the words for faith mean simultaneous faith *and* faithfulness. How does faithfulness stand alone as the lyrics suggest? It doesn’t. Only by the power of the Holy Spirit. Yet the Holy Spirit is never glorified. It is The Father who is glorified, and it is the Father who has placed His Word above His own name. So why does this song talk of faith apart from faithfulness when the two-fold faith and faithfulness (in the greek and hebrew) comes by hearing the word of God? It is a song written in Suburbia for suburbanites to keep ignoring the fact they are in fact spiritually bankrupt Rev.3

        • kobkoj

          are you familiar with the doxology? do you sing it?

          • JonnyCanuck46

            Are you a simpleton? The guest above just gave one of the best critiques of modern worship I’ve ever heard. And you tie this into a 30 second closing doxology? I’ll also remind you that the doxology uses words, not simply “alleluia” on repeat 18 times. I can’t even stomach how pathetic the hillsong type churches are.

  • lonebear

    He has some serious repenting to do and he better get moving cuz time is so short

    • judyt00

      you really need to get over your rapture complex. it isn’t gonna happen

      • lonebear


        • judyt00

          whatever. the comment of someone who has been caught in a lie.

          • lonebear

            Again whatever which is the comment of someone who has no need to defend their stance. Go find someone that wants to waste time with you Troll.

  • doug ellis

    This is what happens when you are in the jew owned music business, you’re mind gets corrupted

    • judyt00

      you are a bigot

  • judyt00

    that guy is a typical christian, blaming his evil on a lapse of religiosity, he never was atheist, he just used that as an excuse to do evil and get away with it, didn’t work, never will. atheists are more moral than he ever could be

    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      Wow,”judyt00″…you’re one of the few heart-readers I’ve met one this site,but atheists who presume to judge while claiming to be more”moral”than any Christian could EVER be…well, they’re a dime a dozen,and atheists who actually assume that they know anything inre authentic Christian faith…they regularly prove the old adage…”It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool,than to open it and remove all doubt”…way to go,judyt00.I’m going to enjoy engaging with you. (I’m reading some of your posts on Disqus right now;I’ll get back to you.—PEACE IN CHRIST! )

      • judyt00

        so, you have evidence your christ lived? you have evidence of your god? hey jerkoff, grow up and get an education. gods do not exist and that criminal, like many others, used atheists as a scapegoat. he should be locked away for ever and you should be ashamed to call yourself such a loser

        • Laurence Charles Ringo

          Wow,judyt00…You have got some SERIOUS anger issues!! Are you seeing a therapist by chance?…I’ll have to rescind my offer to engage with you; obviously you’re only interested in picking fights. How sad.Oh,well…May God bless you anyway.SHALOM!

          • judyt00

            really? I have anger issues because I call your bluff. and make you think about your faith. NO, you have serious control issues if you can’t see that YOU have absolutely no proof of what you claim and insist we all go along with. grow up, get an education and maybe actually read the damned book you claim to follow. Oh and while you are at it, you might read the part where moses writes down the actual 10 commandments, because the ones you claim to follow are not them

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Wow,and wow again…The hole you’re digging for yourself is getting deeper and deeper,judyt00!!—I don’t insist YOU and those of your ilk go along with ANYTHING the Scriptures teach-Don’t we all have free will,to make our own choices? I thought we did,otherwise what’s the point of separation of Church and State? Once again I gotta ask: Where do you get this stuff? It’s becoming a little amusing,frankly.

          • judyt00

            again, why do you insist on blaming atheism for all the evil done by christians. you are so full of hate for anything different than you, its a wonder you can even get out of bed in the morning, and NO, you do NOT allow freedom of any kind as long as you call people crazy for NOT following along with the lies and garbage spewed by assholes like that one. funny thing, I don’t have to be polite to your lies, I don’t have to respect your illusions and I get to speak out against bullies who continue to hate and belittle others because we don’t follow your delusions. I’d suggest , nest time you hear some christian say he went atheist to do some sick deed, call his bluff and admit he was still christian just looking for a scape goat. atheists are nowhere near as immoral as you and yours

          • It is people that call people crazy for not following….not God or Jesus or Christianity.

          • judyt00

            1God spoke all these words, to respond: אוַיְדַבֵּר אֱלֹהִים אֵת כָּל הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵלֶּה לֵאמֹר:2″I am the Lord, your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. באָנֹכִי יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֲשֶׁר הוֹצֵאתִיךָ מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מִבֵּית עֲבָדִים:3You shall not have the gods of others in My presence. גלֹא יִהְיֶה לְךָ אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים עַל פָּנַי:4You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth. דלֹא תַעֲשֶׂה לְּךָ פֶסֶל | וְכָל תְּמוּנָה אֲשֶׁר בַּשָּׁמַיִם | מִמַּעַל וַאֲשֶׁר בָּאָרֶץ מִתַּחַת וַאֲשֶׁר בַּמַּיִם | מִתַּחַת לָאָרֶץ:5You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your God, am a zealous God, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, הלֹא תִשְׁתַּחֲוֶה לָהֶם וְלֹא תָעָבְדֵם כִּי אָנֹכִי יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ אֵל קַנָּא פֹּקֵד עֲוֹן אָבוֹת עַל בָּנִים עַל שִׁלֵּשִׁים וְעַל רִבֵּעִים לְשׂנְאָי:6and [I] perform loving kindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and to those who keep My commandments. ווְעֹשֶׂה חֶסֶד לַאֲלָפִים לְאֹהֲבַי וּלְשֹׁמְרֵי מִצְוֹתָי:7You shall not take the name of the Lord, your God, in vain, for the Lord will not hold blameless anyone who takes His name in vain. זלֹא תִשָּׂא אֶת שֵׁם יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לַשָּׁוְא כִּי לֹא יְנַקֶּה יְהֹוָה אֵת אֲשֶׁר יִשָּׂא אֶת שְׁמוֹ לַשָּׁוְא:8Remember the Sabbath day to sanctify it. חזָכוֹר אֶת יוֹם הַשַּׁבָּת לְקַדְּשׁוֹ:9Six days may you work and perform all your labor, טשֵׁשֶׁת יָמִים תַּעֲבֹד וְעָשִׂיתָ כָל מְלַאכְתֶּךָ:10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord, your God; you shall perform no labor, neither you, your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your beast, nor your stranger who is in your cities. יוְיוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי שַׁבָּת | לַיהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לֹא תַעֲשֶׂה כָל מְלָאכָה אַתָּה | וּבִנְךָ וּבִתֶּךָ עַבְדְּךָ וַאֲמָתְךָ וּבְהֶמְתֶּךָ וְגֵרְךָ אֲשֶׁר בִּשְׁעָרֶיךָ:11For [in] six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh day. Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it. יאכִּי שֵׁשֶׁת יָמִים עָשָׂה יְהֹוָה אֶת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְאֶת הָאָרֶץ אֶת הַיָּם וְאֶת כָּל אֲשֶׁר בָּם וַיָּנַח בַּיּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי עַל כֵּן בֵּרַךְ יְהֹוָה אֶת יוֹם הַשַּׁבָּת וַיְקַדְּשֵׁהוּ:12Honor your father and your mother, in order that your days be lengthened on the land that the Lord, your God, is giving you. יבכַּבֵּד אֶת אָבִיךָ וְאֶת אִמֶּךָ לְמַעַן יַאֲרִכוּן יָמֶיךָ עַל הָאֲדָמָה אֲשֶׁר יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ נֹתֵן לָךְ:13You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. יגלֹא תִּרְצָח: ס לֹא תִּנְאָף: ס לֹא תִּגְנֹב: ס לֹא תַעֲנֶה בְרֵעֲךָ עֵד שָׁקֶר:14You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor.” ידלֹא תַחְמֹד בֵּית רֵעֶך ס לֹא תַחְמֹד אֵשֶׁת רֵעֶךָ וְעַבְדּוֹ וַאֲמָתוֹ וְשׁוֹרוֹ וַחֲמֹרוֹ וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר לְרֵעֶךָ:15And all the people saw the voices and the torches, the sound of the shofar, and the smoking mountain, and the people saw and trembled; so they stood from afar. טווְכָל הָעָם רֹאִים אֶת הַקּוֹלֹת וְאֶת הַלַּפִּידִם וְאֵת קוֹל הַשֹּׁפָר וְאֶת הָהָר עָשֵׁן וַיַּרְא הָעָם וַיָּנֻעוּ וַיַּעַמְדוּ מֵרָחֹק:16They said to Moses, “You speak with us, and we will hear, but let God not speak with us lest we die.” טזוַיֹּאמְרוּ אֶל משֶׁה דַּבֶּר אַתָּה עִמָּנוּ וְנִשְׁמָעָה וְאַל יְדַבֵּר עִמָּנוּ אֱלֹהִים פֶּן נָמוּת:17But Moses said to the people, “Fear not, for God has come in order to exalt you, and in order that His awe shall be upon your faces, so that you shall not sin.” יזוַיֹּאמֶר משֶׁה אֶל הָעָם אַל תִּירָאוּ כִּי לְבַעֲבוּר נַסּוֹת אֶתְכֶם בָּא הָאֱלֹהִים וּבַעֲבוּר תִּהְיֶה יִרְאָתוֹ עַל פְּנֵיכֶם לְבִלְתִּי תֶחֱטָאוּ:18The people remained far off, but Moses drew near to the opaque darkness, where God was. יחוַיַּעֲמֹד הָעָם מֵרָחֹק וּמשֶׁה נִגַּשׁ אֶל הָעֲרָפֶל אֲשֶׁר שָׁם הָאֱלֹהִים:19The Lord said to Moses, “So shall you say to the children of Israel, You have seen that from the heavens I have spoken with you. יטוַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָֹה אֶל משֶׁה כֹּה תֹאמַר אֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל אַתֶּם רְאִיתֶם כִּי מִן הַשָּׁמַיִם דִּבַּרְתִּי עִמָּכֶם:20You shall not make [images of anything that is] with Me. Gods of silver or gods of gold you shall not make for yourselves. כלֹא תַעֲשׂוּן אִתִּי אֱלֹהֵי כֶסֶף וֵאלֹהֵי זָהָב לֹא תַעֲשׂוּ לָכֶם:21An altar of earth you shall make for Me, and you shall slaughter beside it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your cattle. Wherever I allow My name to be mentioned, I will come to you and bless you. כאמִזְבַּח אֲדָמָה תַּעֲשֶׂה לִּי וְזָבַחְתָּ עָלָיו אֶת עֹלֹתֶיךָ וְאֶת שְׁלָמֶיךָ אֶת צֹאנְךָ וְאֶת בְּקָרֶךָ בְּכָל הַמָּקוֹם אֲשֶׁר אַזְכִּיר אֶת שְׁמִי אָבוֹא אֵלֶיךָ וּבֵרַכְתִּיךָ:22And when you make for Me an altar of stones, you shall not build them of hewn stones, lest you wield your sword upon it and desecrate it. כבוְאִם מִזְבַּח אֲבָנִים תַּעֲשֶׂה לִּי לֹא תִבְנֶה אֶתְהֶן גָּזִית כִּי חַרְבְּךָ הֵנַפְתָּ עָלֶיהָ וַתְּחַלֲלֶהָ:23And you shall not ascend with steps upon My altar, so that your nakedness shall not be exposed upon it.’ ”

            more than 10 and not the ones you all claim. too bad you are stupid enough to only believe what your fucked up preacher says to you

          • pulseimpact

            You act as if hundreds of scholars have not already debated this information. You apparently do not accept the first century references to Jesus by third sources? Those prove that Jesus at least existed.

          • Spencer Kelty

            Yes he did. The most likely individual Jesus is based on was a bandit king in the area who attained quite the following of Jewish rebels. He fought against the romans and attacked their forces in several cases. His following was almost cult like, and the story of his resurrection was meant to strike fear into the hearts of the romans.

            The biblical accounts of Jesus are not trustworthy however. They were all written several generations after the death of Jesus, by secondary or even tertiary sources. There are no sources that back up the biblical account that were written before the biblical texts either.

            The bible is a wonderful work of historic fiction and nothing more. Think of the biblical account of Jesus as a sort of Fan faction. His followers in life passed on his story by oral tradition until it was written as the folk tale we now have.

          • marah natha

            No, they weren’t. They were written by His disciples after the Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost. Matthew, Mark, John, Peter, Phillip, James. All were His disciples. Paul Came later but was approved by Peter and the other Disciples. You have chosen to listen to the critics, not the Spirit of Truth.

          • Spencer Kelty

            Prove it. There is no historical evidence for any of those authors. I have chosen to listen to facts, not conjecture based on a historically inaccurate book of fairytales.

          • Laurence Charles Ringo

            Hey,judyt00…ever heard of Ockham’s Razor? Try employing it next time,Sheesh!

          • Annie Law

            Why do Atheist always go to the Old Testament where all those ancient civil laws were in place? And there were only 10 commandments in the law of Moses. In Jesus Christ there are two that encompass all the original ten. They are love the Lord your God with all your mind, with all your strength, and with all your soul, and love your neighbour as yourself. If you do these two things you will be fulfilling the law. If you guys would get out of the ancient civil laws that are no longer in effect and go to the New Covenant in Jesus’ blood, you would have a more accurate view of what it means to be a Christian and to live the Christian life. Instead, you guys revert back to cave man days, so to speak, when we live in the space age now. It seems you do not want to know the truth because then you might believe if you did. Instead, you choose, whether knowingly or not, to stay under the influence of Satan’s deceit and lies. This is his old trick of trying to usurp God’s place by blaspheming God and trying to make God’s Word void. Please seek the truth from God Himself and His Word in the New Covenant (Testament).

          • You know that Moses did not write the Ten Commandments 🙂

          • judyt00

            yeah, not the ones in the christian bible

          • Would you agree that if the Ten Commandments were followed by every individual, that mankind would enjoy a perfect society?

          • judyt00

            the 10 commandments you follow were not the ones moses wrote, they were changed by the authorities that made the first new testament 150 years after Saul( the wanted con man on the run from the Roman law) wrote about Jesus, more than 30 years after he supposedly lived

          • Interesting. I have never heard of this information. I am aware that the RCC changed the original Ten written by the very finger of God (they removed the 2nd Commandment to allow for idol worship) But that brings me back to my original point. Moses did not write the Commandments…so I am trying to see what law that you are referring to. A citation would be helpful 🙂

          • Spencer Kelty

            Nope, those where a part of hammurabi’s code many centuries before the supposed date of the ten commandments.

          • I didn’t know the Law of God was dated. How can it be possible for the Ten Commandments to have a “date” if even the very Angels in heaven keep them…and they have been around long before Moses was a thought…

            Psalm 103:20, “Bless the Lord, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.”

          • Spencer Kelty

            The ten commandments were blatantly ripped off from the secular code of Hammurabi and applied to Judaism. It wasn’t inspired by “god” it was inspired by basic fairness and current (at the time) ideas of government.

          • marah natha

            satan was in heaven too. He gives the sons of men strong delusions that they would believe a lie. Darwin did not come up with the hypothesis of Evolution by himself, either.

          • Dan

            First off Judy. You have clearly been seriously hurt in some way and seeking to blame God for some reason. I am sorry for your pain but it is wrong to attack other people and their beliefs because of your pain. I pray that you will somehow come to the realization that God is real and is possible of anything. You are so stuck of believing that there is no God that you forget to think about one other thing….In your mind you are right but What if your wrong. If you are wrong you will not be spending eternity in Heaven…You will be spending time in the pits of hell sufforing for the sins that you commited in this lifetime. Open your eyes and release the pain that you are holding before it is to late. May you find loving peace.

          • a friend

            Yes the 10 commandments Judy! Perfect illustration to show ALL of us have failed to keep them. If someone could keep the law then they would be perfect. Because we could not keep them God provided a way for us sending His son as a baby Jesus to pay the price for us. The wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. He shed His perfect blood so we may have life. See Christ is the perfect Lamb of God

          • Ed Words

            We will all be praying for poor Judy, right gang?

            When we lose the debate, we turn to prayer.

          • judyt00

            so, got evidence in your god yet? No, didn’t think so so STFU your immoral piece of garbage. I’ll bet you used religion as a get out of jail card and continue to blame atheists for everything you did wrong. what was it rape, or beating on women?

        • pulseimpact

          I think it’s obvious that some God exists, and I put my faith into the Christian God. I personally don’t believe in atheism as a concrete belief and my eldest brother is an atheist.

          Criminals should be locked away and his sentence does seem short considering he tried to kill another human being and felt little remorse it seemed. However, locked away for ever to me is a worse punishment than death penalty. Personally I consider it at least equally as cruel. We should try to change people instead of just lock them away forever.

          • Spencer Kelty

            Atheism isn’t a concrete belief. In fact it isn’t a belief at all. Atheism is the default position.

            How is it obvious a god exists? Where is the evidence?

          • pulseimpact

            The evidence is sanity. It doesn’t make sense that everything exists out of nothingness or is eternal for no reason. If you research real agnosticism you would understand agnostics pretty much agree that the nihilistic atheistic belief is stupid and illogical.

            If you truly believe in atheism then you would have to logically admit that all people’s beliefs are an act of random chance and serve no purpose. Any purpose you support or oppose is arbitrary. A godless universe does not care for the existence of the human race and thinking otherwise would be ignoring the forest for the trees.

            I think it makes sense to believe in God. The evidence to me is within moments and memories. I believe in both material and spiritual. Christianity’s Bible is self aware of the importance of faith and that evidence is not always right in front of your eyes.

        • Give evidence that he does not exist. Both sides will circle back to this…we believe what we believe to be true in our hearts. The problem with you Judy is that you instead tear something down just because you do not agree with it. I have not seen one person bring insult upon you for being atheist, instead they have wished you peace in your life so far.

          • Spencer Kelty

            Did you seriously just say that? There is no such thing as evidence for a negative. There is no circling back to evidence. You don’t have any evidence. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. A negative claim (saying there is no god) does not demand evidence, as it is considered the starting or null position.

            Asking for evidence for a negative is simply ridiculous. It would be like me asking for you to prove there isn’t an invisible monster under your bed. Impossible to prove or disprove. So a negative assertion prevails, there is no god.

        • a friend

          You are right in saying gods do not exsist, they are made up by human hands. There is a true God, even if you do not believe. One day everyone will know, in the end someone will be wrong. Are you willing to chance that? Maybe you have never heard the true gospel before, cause you see we all have sinned against God. We want things done our way. None of us are good enough and never will be. We are sinners saved by Grace in what Christ did for us out of LOVE. Not what we can do but what He did.

        • marah natha

          You do realize this is 2015 and not 5774, don’t you? What event in History was big enough to start History all over?

    • pulseimpact

      His blog about 6 months before he was caught shows that he was an atheist or at least not Christian. The atheist that upvoted you and you yourself need to do research. Also, atheists in my life have all been immoral, but all have sinned not just atheists.

    • Spencer Kelty

      Careful Judy, I get what you are saying, but you are straying close to the same trap these religious wing nuts fall in. Beware the no true scotsman fallacy. If this guy says he is an atheist, as far as Im concerned he is an atheist.

    • marah natha

      He is not typical. There are plenty of Christians who don’t try to fail at following Christ.

    • jtbdad

      “atheists (sic) are more moral than he ever could be.” Sounds like the “no true Scotsman” fallacy to me.

  • gods need not apply

    Mr. Lambesis, please understand that you are a scumbag, and that has nothing to do with your religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Please do not rationalize your failings as a human as atheism.

    My husband & I are also atheists, and we enjoy the fidelity of our marriage. We are dedicated to each other in this life because we know we do not get another. Your marriage is more than “just as piece of paper with the government.” Your marriage is what YOU make it.

    • judyt00

      he isn’t atheist, he just used it as an excuse to do whatever he wanted, and thought he would get away with it. he is typical christian, born again into hatred and lies and blaming everybody but himself.

      • marah natha

        He rejected Christ by his own admission, but I agree, he is not an atheist. He knew the truth and willingly went the other way.

        • Annie Law

          There is still hope for him if he humbly recognizes the pain he has caused his wife and others and asks forgiveness and to come to a true saving faith in Christ Jesus he will not be rejected if he is truly sincere this time. God does not reject anyone who is sincerely regretful and truly believes Jesus is who He says He is ,and that He provided everything necessary for salvation through His precious blood.

      • jtbdad

        Let me understand this; if someone claims to be a Christian and does despicable things such as Hitler, various Popes etc. they are still Christians based upon their claim to be a Christian. However, if an individual claims to be an Atheist and does despicable things that individual is still a Christian despite claiming to have become an Atheist? Is that your argument?

  • BibleDude

    As you lay lying, more likely.

  • Mark Sebert

    The irony is when I became an atheist I was drawn to this group, and it was this music that help me out of atheism. The song Greater Foundation did not lead me into Christianity though, but it allowed me to realize that what I have now is far better than what I had before. That I can be spiritual, believe in a Higher Power, but not in all the baggage that is Christianity.

    There music is surprisingly good and the lyrics powerful. Knowing the back story makes me actually appreciate their music more, I understand what it is like to be in a closet. Religion has such a strong hold on this country.

    I of course and saddened by Tim’s actions to try to murder his wife, but I cannot help but think that there is more to the story. If anyone tried to take my kids from me I would not be happy. It does not justify it, but I think that it is a bit ridiculous and hypocritical to not listen to his music. Most people have no problem watching the Cosby Show and that dud has some serious issues.

    Just saying that maybe this article was biased and one sided.

  • Oracle

    Psalm 14:1-7The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

    • Ed Words

      There are a lot of very successful ‘fools’ out there.

  • starpilot149

    ‘ Lambesis, in admitting his atheism, outlined that he turned away from
    Christianity as he majored in religious studies while attending college
    through a long distance program.

    “In the process of trying to defend my faith, I started thinking the other point of view was the stronger one,” he said. ‘

    Sounds pretty reasonable to me.

  • Crosseyedone

    This guy is just a reflection of what happens to whole nations when they turn away from God.

    • Ed Words

      Baloney! The most ‘godly’ nations are terrible places to live.

      Google — “Dark Ages”

    • Spencer Kelty

      Bullcrap. The most religious nations on earth are the worst off.

      • Crosseyedone

        Please give some examples to support your position.

        • Spencer Kelty

          The entire middle east. And the U.S we are the most religious developed nation on earth and its dragging us down. Evolution deniers are dumbing down our schools and slowing growth.

          Also, research the dark ages. We are over 500 years behind because of Christianity.

  • Stephen “Steve” Sponsler

    When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.” – that was said 2000 years ago, and there is the undeniable proof. This guy can take his so-called ‘morality’ and give to all those who remain in utter darkness and have no understanding. He’s still young though – who knows what he’ll be saying in 2-5-7-10 years from now. He might actually wake up.

  • Ed Words

    What’s the point? Atheists populate the highest rungs of the success ladder.

    90% of our TOP scientists don’t have good character?

    Christians don’t do evil things? C’mon.

  • He must make his Father in Hell proud.

  • Spencer Kelty

    This smells of no true Scotsman. I listen to a lot of music, but I’ve never liked As I lay dying specifically because of its Christian lyrics. The article is twisting this man’s words into some illogical case against atheism. Here are a couple fun facts. Christians are statistically more likely to commit murder than atheists. They are more likely to be in a failed marriage than atheists. Look it up.

  • Michael Link

    Why should it be a surprise that an atheist sees nothing wrong with lying, taking advantage of others, and attempting to kill his wife…

    They don’t have a moral code so nothing is really wrong to them…

    Then again there is a lot of TV evangalists who do the same thing and yet profess to be Christians. they have a moral code but choose to ignore it…

    The lesson for all of us is that we all have the potential to do destructive things to ourselves and those around us. Professing Christ is not the same thing as living Christ.

    Pray that you can find the difference…

    God Bless

    • Lawrence Agan

      You made a bold statement that atheists have no moral code. I would love to hear your proof of this.

      You also lumped the immoral Christians under a label of televangelist, which is minimizing of the truth. There is a reason Christian and hypocrite are words that are just about synonymous. I know plenty who use the name ‘god’ as an excuse and think they can ask for forgiveness then somehow God will magically come clean up their mess.

      I do agree with your last paragraph though which sums up everything for everyone on both sides.

  • Gabriel A. King

    Maybe they can change the name of their band to “The Douchewads”

  • JDM

    OMG, an Atheist lied and cheated? Don’t worry, religion is still the all time champion of false promises, greed, lies, and violence. Not to mention the decades of covering up the systematic raping of children, abusing their minds as well as their bodies. Clergymen using poor peoples donations to live lavish lifestyles. Religion itself is disgusting enough, you don’t even need to read it’s ghastly, blood-soaked, fairy-tale book of killing and ignorance. Atheists have a lot of catching up to do.

  • marah natha

    I never heard of this band and I’ve been into CCM for a long time.

  • Tom Beaulieu

    Who even wrote this article? That’s not how atheism works at all. That’s just a Christian in denial. Christians love to think we atheists have nothing to live for, but in reality we have everything to live for and nothing to die for. It’s the believers who have something big to die for. We (not unanimously, but nearly exclusively) believe in the natural goodness innate in every human, and strive to find ways to help others and lessen suffering wherever we can. What he’s describing in this article is a Christian who is mad at his God. Sure, I can rape and murder as much as I want without the threat of a SkyDaddy. And I *do* rape and murder as much as I want to. The number of rapes and murders I want to commit (and do commit) is zero. Be good for goodness’ sake; not for Gods sake.

  • Greg Trujillo

    Hey Christians. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck…..

  • Rick

    When there is no foundation for morality, this is the inevitable conclusion. His morality was adultery and murder. Others may conclude differently in their morality and the result nearly always ends up adversely affecting others. God has established His law and regardless if you believe it or not makes no difference at all, you will be judged by it and without Christ provision for grace, you will suffer for your sins.

  • Link

    If you know the Lord Jesus, you will know who belongs to Him (i.e. music groups), and who are the posers. You will sense God’s anointing on the music and ministry. No matter how nice the music, don’t ignore the Holy Spirit’s stamp of approval. Also don’t forget that many sing songs written by others. The song may be written by a Christian, and sung by a poser. Flat. No anointing! You hear the same song sung by a Christian and it “sounds” different. That’s the anointing.

  • George Betancourt

    Let all here know, NEVER COMPROMISE IN YOUR FAITH!!!



    I know we are not perfects, but really? Doing nothing is our collective answer?

    Why do we Christians fail so bad? Have we lost our moral compass? Have we lost our God-given backbone? Where are the warriors for Jesus? This article shows me so much of the wolves in sheep clothing. It shows the Atheists in Christians scenery. How much more should we tolerate that is against the Savior of the world? How can we sit idly by and really do nothing? Our society should SHAME those who are luke-warm. Our society should shame and ostracize those who have no moral fortitude. Hip Hop culture, Pop culture, and Sub-cultures are taking our youth by storm. Christians are lazy and failing en-mass. My heart is so burdened by all this ground we lose for Jesus.

  • Lauren Bebout

    His life story isn’t the strongest pro-atheist argument I’ve ever heard. “Deny God exists because now I’m “enlightened”. Cheat on my wife because morals are irrelevant. Hire a hitman to kill her because why would that be wrong? Spend the next several years in prison. Lie to all my fans in the meantime being the true definition of a hypocrite. Denying God is GREAT. Everyone should do it.” What an idiot. I mean that in a loving Christian way. Quite frankly, he needs to find his way back to Jesus.

  • Michael Falsia

    There is no such thing as a a Christian heavy metal band! That was the tip off from the get go.