Obama Calls Same-Sex ‘Marriage’ a ‘Story of Freedom’ in State of Union Address

ObamaWASHINGTON — In delivering his annual “State of the Union” address on Tuesday night, Barack Obama claimed that the recent proliferation of federal rulings regarding same-sex “marriage” has presented itself as a “story of freedom” throughout America.

During the segment, Obama was speaking about unity among Americans despite their differences and the accomplishments that he believes he has seen during his presidency.

“I still believe that we are one people. I still believe that together, we can do great things, even when the odds are long. I believe this because over and over in my six years in office, I have seen America at its best,” he said. “I’ve seen the hopeful faces of young graduates from New York to California; and our newest officers at West Point, Annapolis, Colorado Springs, and New London. I’ve mourned with grieving families in Tucson and Newtown; in Boston, West, Texas, and West Virginia.”

“I’ve watched Americans beat back adversity from the Gulf Coast to the Great Plains; from Midwest assembly lines to the Mid-Atlantic seaboard,” Obama continued. “I’ve seen something like gay marriage go from a wedge issue used to drive us apart to a story of freedom across our country, a civil right now legal in states that seven in ten Americans call home.”

He mentioned homosexuality again later in his speech as he reiterated his beliefs about diversity.

“I want future generations to know that we are a people who see our differences as a great gift, that we are a people who value the dignity and worth of every citizen: man and woman, young and old, black and white, Latino and Asian, immigrant and Native American, gay and straight, Americans with mental illness or physical disability,” Obama declared.

“Fifteen years into this new century, we have picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off, and begun again the work of remaking America,” he continued. “We’ve laid a new foundation. A brighter future is ours to write. Let’s begin this new chapter—together—and let’s start the work right now.”

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Obama’s speech focused on a variety of issues, from the economy and education, to global warming and terrorism. During his comments on terrorism, Obama used the term “violent extremism” and did not wish to include Islam in the discussion. He later stated that he does not wish to “stereotype” Muslims by doing so.

“As Americans, we respect human dignity, even when we’re threatened, which is why I’ve prohibited torture, and worked to make sure our use of new technology like drones is properly constrained,” he stated. “It’s why we speak out against the deplorable anti-Semitism that has resurfaced in certain parts of the world. It’s why we continue to reject offensive stereotypes of Muslims—the vast majority of whom share our commitment to peace.”

“That’s why we defend free speech, and advocate for political prisoners, and condemn the persecution of women, or religious minorities, or people who are lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender,” Obama continued. “We do these things not only because they’re right, but because they make us safer.”

The room was evidently divided during the speech with Republicans often remaining silent while Democrats clapped in support of Obama’s ideas.

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  • Gary

    Count me out. The only thing I have in common with Obama or people who think like he does is that we breathe air, eat food, and go to the bathroom. I am not in agreement with the course this nation is on. I strongly oppose it. ssm is about promoting evil.

    • Jose

      Almost no one agrees with Obama…lol

      • Does “almost no one” include the 51% who voted him?

        • Fundisi

          Try the 2014 beating he took!

    • Terry Roll

      What effects has it had that are negative?

      • Gary

        ssm is a perversion. There is no husband and no wife in such an arrangement, and without both, there is no marriage. ssm has made society more vulgar.

        • Spoob

          It’s not perversion. That is stupid, pig ignorant and bigoted.

          • The Last Trump

            Not perversion! Are you serious? Might want to take another look at an anatomy book and pay reeeeealy close attention to the reproductive organs. See, they were clearly designed to fit in only one way and for one very specific purpose. Reproduction. It simply doesn’t matter how confused a person (or deviant society) can become due to ” fuzzy feelings” and raw pleasure. Any other use of said organs is a perversion of their clear design and purpose. And all the talk to the contrary will never change this simple truth. Sorry. 🙁

            But I know, I know. “It feels good!” So you’re gonna do it. Go figure. Today’s immoral and depraved pleasure seeking, hedonistic society. If it feels good, do it! Shameful.

          • Gary

            Real marriages consist of a husband and a wife.

          • Spoob

            Yes. For straight couples. But not for homosexual couples.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Ignoring legal fact doesn’t change anything, bitter little man.

        • Tedlick Badkey

          That’s your rotten attitude and negative view of the world affecting your opinion.

          It is not a rational legal argument against gay marriage.

        • Terry Roll

          I don’t follow. Even if ssm isn’t “marriage,” what tangible problem it is causing to allow them to have the same legal rights as heterosexuals? The answer is realistically none that affects you or me.

    • Tedlick Badkey

      Still bitter and angry. How sad.

      Why do you oppose it, aside from religion?

      What harm has it caused?

      How has it directly affected you?

      How has “traditional marriage” changed?

      What is your rational, legal argument against gay marriage?

  • @Gary….I concur. I would like to point out that after last night, the queers are clapping their hands and having a party. Just as clueless and the god they serve.

    • That’s odd, I’ve met some ‘queers’ (as you called them) who claimed to be Christian. Not once did Jesus ever denounce homosexuality, which isn’t surprising because homosexuality wasn’t outlawed until 600 years after his death. So which God do Christian homosexuals serve, exactly?

      • Gary

        Jesus limited marriage to a man and a woman (Mark 10:6-8).

        • No, he didn’t. Stop lying.

          • Gary

            Sure he did. Can’t you understand Mark 10:6-8?

      • Gary

        Jesus condemned adultery and fornication (Matthew 15:19).

      • Fundisi

        The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

        God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27)
        and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is
        born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it
        right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is
        true with homosexuality.

        Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html#ixzz3PUahRbrX

        • Spoob

          gotquestions.org is a bigot website with completely false information on it. It should be shut down.

          • Fundisi

            Ah, you are anti-free speech.

            Notice you and your fellow anti-Christ travelers never refute the Scriptures used by got questions or their teachings, you just hate then because they also, among many other teachings, expose the false beliefs of your Roman Catholic Church.

          • Spoob

            If I was anti-free speech I would have complained to the administrators of this site about you long ago. But I didn’t.

            Anyone can use scriptures for their own purposes. You do it all the time.

          • Fundisi

            You are showing all the signs of being an habitual liar.

          • Spoob

            You are crazy.

          • Terry Roll

            Speaking of traveling, have you ever been to the Middle East?

          • Fundisi

            No, so what?

          • Terry Roll

            As a Christian, you should definitely go and see it. It will change your perspective on your faith. It is easy to hold your opinions now, you may find it more difficult when you see Israel and Jordan.

      • There are no “Christian homos”…..never has been. That is a lie. The god they serve is Satan………NOT God. Big difference. Oh, btw, Jesus and God and one and the same. You should learn how to read and comprehend before opening your mouth. Of course I realize that lost people like you and thousands more, love to twist the Scripture’s to suit their agenda. Try harder next time.

        • Jesus and God and one and the same

          The bible doesn’t say that Jesus created the universe, so how can he be God?

          • “In the beginning was the Word and Word was God.” The usage of the “Word” here means Jesus, the Christ, Part 2 of the triune God (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Since Jesus and God are one and the same, yes, Jesus created the all that we see and don’t see. When you learn more you feel free to come on back and try again. I like you. 😉

          • The Last Trump

            Wow. Somebody needs to stop critiquing the Bible until they’ve at least given It a read first. Please do some research before you log onto a Christian website and engage in ridiculous arguments with Christians. Not very bright now, is it?

          • Fundisi

            Oh yes it does, ” 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities– all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…”

            There is one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit and the Bible tells us all three Persons in this One Almighty God were involved in all Creation.

  • bowie1

    They may be “free” now but what will the Lord say on the Day of Judgement?

    • Terry Roll

      Considering we have no proof there ever even will be such a thing as the “Day of Judgement,” I would say it is a good thing that people can live their lives as they see fit. Gays being married has no affect on you or me personally.

      • John Boyt

        That shows how little you know. Hospital costs, government costs, etc., have sky rocketed due to huge increases in medical spending on homosexual diseases. So yes, it does cost us something.

        • Spoob

          Homosexual diseases? I don’t think there is any such thing.

          • Jeff Varney

            Oh, yes, there is…AIDS for example.

          • Spoob

            If you’re actually serious in this response, how much have you actually researched it? Back in the 1980s it might have been “the gay disease” but the largest demographic to have it now is straight black women.

            Way to be informed!

        • Terry Roll

          I would love to see the proof for that from a reputable source. With that logic, we shouldn’t cover heterosexual health costs related to STD’s. I bet that is a hefty cost itself.

          • John Boyt

            What! You want me to do the work that you should be doing! Do a search on the internet – I’m sure that you can do that.

      • James Grimes

        Typical Atheist response… pretty arrogant to stalk a Christian forum.

  • Fundisi

    It has come to be that we, as a nation, now call those things that God calls evil like homosexuality, gay marriage and abortion, as examples, to be good and those things He calls good to be evil. We are under the power of the anti-Christ, we have sold our soul for a mess of pottage, we are lost. Obama is surely an apostle of the anti-Christ, as are most of our national leaders. We Christians can only pray, stand on God’s Word and watch the Devil take over our land.

    • Are you saying the Devil is a real estate agent?

  • James Grimes

    Typical Liberal rhetoric…

  • John Watson

    More like a story of a depraved lifestyle.
    Can we expect next year… Rights for Pedophiles..
    The MOST depraved and immoral presidents in history… pushing the most depraved lifestyle he can..

    • Spoob

      Do you honestly think Obama is trying to destroy America? Really?

      • Fundisi

        Morally/spiritually? Yes! So destroying America without even trying is okay?

        • Spoob

          Well, as you know, I think you’re not of perfectly sound mind, so whatever you say, I guess. Wish you could just agree to treat human beings like human beings.

          • Fundisi

            Well as you know, I think you are lost and of the spirit of anti-Christ.

          • Spoob


            For what reason would I be anti-CHRIST? I seem to recall telling you many times that I am a Christian, oh but I guess you know better than I do what I believe.

          • Fundisi

            Your every comment here is attacking Christians, denying God’s Word and defending evil and that is anti-Christ. Believing is not enough, even demons believe, you must be converted to Christ and from the devil and by all your words you are neither.

          • Spoob

            I am not attacking Christians, I am attacking fundies.

          • Fundisi

            Same thing!

            So you attack and hate people that believe in:

            1) The Bible is literally true. Associated with this tenet is the belief that the Bible is inerrant, that is, without error and free from all contradictions.

            2) The virgin birth and deity of Christ. Fundamentalists believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary and conceived by the Holy Spirit and that He was and is the Son of God, fully human and fully divine.

            3) The substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the cross.
            Fundamentalism teaches that salvation is obtained only through God’s grace and human faith in Christ’s crucifixion for the sins of mankind.

            4) The bodily resurrection of Jesus. On the third day after His
            crucifixion, Jesus rose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of God the Father.

            5) The authenticity of Jesus’ miracles as recorded in Scripture and the literal, pre-millennial second coming of Christ to earth.

            That makes you an enemy of Christ and His Church and no Christian.

          • Spoob

            1) It’s NOT literally true, screwball. When’s the last time you cut your hand off because it caused you to sin? Or plucked an eye out? Unless you’re typing with one hand and reading with one eye right now, there’s nothing literal about your Bible belief, it’s picking and choosing according to your whims.

            2) All Christians believe that, you don’t have a monopoly on this belief.

            3) That’s nice. Catholics think it’s a combination of faith and works. What makes you right and them wrong?

            4) See #2. All Christians believe this.

            5) I can believe there’s no such thing as the rapture and still be a Christian.

          • Fundisi

            #1 betrays you do not know God and at heart are an atheist!

            #3 because earning salvation or God’s pleasure is wholly contrary to Grace and those seeking salvation thereby will be judged by the Law and will be lost.

            #5 Yes, you can disagree with the rapture and be saved, just wrong. But, you cannot defend and tolerate sin and honestly claim salvation.

          • Spoob

            #1. No, Mr. Bigot, I am not an atheist. I’ve told you that many times. And you don’t get to define that word either. Hindus aren’t atheists. Muslims aren’t atheists. And although I’m a much saner brand of Christian, I’m not an atheist. But tell me, since you completely ignored what I said, does this mean you have cut off a hand when you sinned? Or plucked out an eyeball? Do tell!

            #3. You say tomato, they say tomahto.

            #5. I don’t defend sin. I just challenge your idiotic opinion of what it is.

          • Fundisi

            I will ignore your other bile.

            The moment you say God’s word contains errors, that it is not, as to the original manuscripts inerrant in all respects, you deny the very existence of God. Being Almighty, omnipotent and omniscient, He would be incapable of error; or, He is not God at all. Your questioning His Word and accusing Him of error or allowing error, makes you an atheist.

            Yes, Hindu’s and Muslims are atheists, they deny and do not believe in the One True God, they believe in false pagan gods and that you would defend their false faiths, makes you not only an atheist, but certainly no Christian.

          • Spoob

            Are you telling me that you think bats are birds? That the earth is flat? That snakes can talk? If so, I would like you to present me with scientific, not biblical, proof.

            Hindus believe in a God. So do Muslims. It may not be the same God as yours, but it takes them firmly out of the category of “atheist” whether you like it or not.

            I happen to be a Christian who believes in the teachings of Christ who, by the way, said not one single word about homosexuals in the Bible. Ever.

        • Spoob

          And also, I wonder if you can offer any non-crazy explanation about why the president of the country would want to willfully destroy it. NON-CRAZY answers only please.

          • Fundisi

            Why, you only offer crazy, lunatic beliefs?

            He wants America to turn its back on the Constitution and make it into a wholly godless, socialist state.

          • Spoob

            I did ask for a non-crazy answer, guess you just couldn’t help it. I think you will find that Obama is a Christian.

          • Fundisi

            Like you, Obama may and does call himself a Christian, as do many politicians Right and Left just to get elected. Obama is supportive of homosexuality, gay marriage, abortion – even partial birth abortion, he is against the 1st Amendment and its protection of religious expression, defends Islam, a pagan religion as being a religion of peace and love; and, his only Christian experiences were as a member of a racist Black Liberation Theology Church and was born/raised as a Muslim; and so, in every way possible, he proves himself to be a Christian in name only and an enemy of Christ.

            You are the only lunatic here.

          • Spoob

            So you get to define who is and who isn’t a Christian, you also get to define who is atheist. You get to state who is anti-Christ, and you get to dictate the factors that make someone a Christian. It sounds to me like you think you are God. Like I said, not of perfectly sound mind.

            Even if Obama is or does ANY of the things you claim in your rather ridiculous message, I fail to see what makes him a non-Christian. If he believes in Jesus’ teachings, and thinks he follows them (never mind what YOU think), then he’s a Christian. You don’t get to dictate who is and who isn’t. That’s fundie arrogance that has taught you to think that way.

          • Fundisi

            When in every way Obama and you stand against God’s Word, it betrays you both as not having His Spirit. It is not judging, in the sense I absolutely know you will not turn to Christ before you die, only that you both are in your every word against Christ and that is anti-Christ and evidence that your so-called faith is a dead faith, it did not result in conversion TO Christ.

          • Spoob

            Judge, judge, judge, condemn condemn condemn. All the things Jesus said not to do. Tsk tsk.

            You are NOT God and you do not SPEAK for God, and you are sinning HORRIBLY by casting judgement as though you WERE God. You “absolutely” know precisely NOTHING. You know NOTHING about me or my beliefs. You are a Christian supremacist, and you are no better than a male supremacist or a white supremacist.

          • Fundisi

            I apologize for spending so much time arguing with an enemy of Christ and an atheist such as yourself. What a waste of time.

          • Spoob

            Don’t apologize to me. Apologize to all the gay and lesbian Christians you offend with your hateful attitude.

          • Fundisi

            First, it was a general apology for entertaining a fool – you.

            It is only your bigoted, hate filled heart thst would accuse one trying to expose sin that men might repent, of being hateful. You hate gays, you would rather seem them in hell and suffering than to speak against their sin and see the healed and saved.

          • Spoob

            I hate to tell you this, but you don’t get to send gay people anywhere. Certainly not to hell. Once again I must remind you that you are not God.

            Secondly gay people are not sinful perverts. Their entire “sin” in your eyes was falling in love. I don’t have a problem with that, so I’m not the hateful one. You do, so you are. See how it works?

            Christian fundamentalism is slowly dissolving your brain.

          • Fundisi

            No their sin is not falling in love, it is deviant, God cursed sexual conduct. It is rebellion against God and His Word. See how it works when you stand on God’s Word?

            If I say an unrepentant murder or child rapist would go to hell, am I judging the person or their evil conduct and only saying what is in God’s Word? Thus, if I say an unrepenant homosexual will go to hell, it is not hate, it is God’s Word and a warning in His Love of the consequences for their sin. Get it now?

            Being a child of the Devil is rotting your soul.

          • John Watson

            They are proclaimed Guilty by their own actions… they send themselves to helll… I am simply stating the obvious

          • Spoob

            Obvious to who? No, that’s just stupid. No one sends themselves to hell, why would they?

            What you are doing is saying “Unless they believe as I do, they are going to hell.” That is simply the No True Scotsman fallacy. Look it up. It means you are being a self-righteous Christian who insists that everyone else use the same definitions you do.

          • John Watson

            So why are you choosing to rebel against God which will end in Hell?
            My righteous is only through Jesus Christ … the same Jesus Christ that you deny..

          • Spoob

            I don’t rebel against God. I rebel against hatred and stupidity and fundmentalism. You don’t get to dictate who goes to hell, haven’t you learned that yet? That is God’s job. Let God do it.

            I don’t deny Jesus Christ either, that’s just you using the No True Scotsman fallacy. Nice try by the way.

          • John Watson

            Was right about one thing…. You can’t find the exit. Here’s a hint..It’s the “X” in the corner.. Bye, not going to cast my pearls before the swine….

          • Spoob

            Pearls, eh? More like turds.

          • John Watson

            To the swine it doesn’t matter…. Remember the Magic “X” and you’ll finally be away from these terrible “Christians”..

          • Spoob

            The magic “x”, sir, is there for shoving up your magic *

          • John Watson

            Nice.. definitely on the wrong website… dude…
            I know that’s your thing… but no shoving anything until you at least buy me dinner first..

          • Joan Palmer

            John 8:28
            Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know
            that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the
            Father has taught me.
            So this conversation, while reading it made me think of the many times Jesus left the place he was teaching because those who wished to persecute him were on their way in to the city. If you want to know what Jesus would or wouldn’t do… read his stories. He walked with the poor, not the rich, he spoke with those who sinned not the Sadducee and Pharisee, (by the way, these two sects were exclusive in who would be allowed into their religion) and he healed the sick… so many more things he did as well that set him apart from man’s ineptness. We fight about Jesus. The truth is when we fight, we are not Christlike. Fighting and arguing feels good when we do it because we want to hold ourselves up above others by winning. That is certainly not what Jesus did. God knows our hearts and he has counted every hair on our head. If arguing to win is in your heart….. God knows that too…Exodus 33:19
            the LORD said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you,
            and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have
            mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I
            will have compassion.

          • John Watson

            Spoob… You are on a known CHRISTIAN WEBSITE. I would like to think you maybe took a wrong turn and are too stupid to find the exist.
            I don’t care one single bit if the immoral, drepraved Homosexuals are “offended” they should be. They just like you have turn your back on God and turned to the most vile practice in the world.. Above being offended…. they and you are damned.
            They want to point a finger and scream Bigotry…. Fine… I wear as a Medal and I will NOT BE INTIMADATED OR SILENCE..
            So, take your little opinion…. hit the magical “X” in the corner and move along… you’re on Holy ground here.

          • Spoob

            Hate to tell you this Fred Phelps, but fundies are a very small percentage of Christians worldwide. I know you like to think you are the voice of all Christians but you don’t speak for me, nor do you speak for homosexual Christians. And like so many others here you don’t seem to realize that you are not God and as much as you’d like to send every person you deem to be a vile, horrible, wicked, satanic sinner to your beloved hell, that’s just your little paranoid revenge fantasy. Why don’t you leave the real Christiam message of love, acceptance and tolerance to the real Christians, and get your hood and sheet out of the laundry and hit the road?

          • Fundisi

            It is sad that you do not understand the Love of God at all, nor do you understand that He is not tolerant of sin or other gods at all. Just look at Revelations, there is a God Who hates sin and will punish the world most harshly for their sins, showing zero tolerance.

            Homosexual Christian is an oxymoron. One cannot be unrepentant about their homosexuality and deviant sexual conduct and at the same time be a Christian. One can repent of any sin, like homosexuality, be converted to Christ and still struggle with certain sins for many, many years; but, what they cannot do if they have the Spirit of Christ is ever defend their sins as not being sin and not grieve over them, even in tears seeking deliverance. No, “homosexual Christian” are two words wholly contradictory of one another.

            No Christian wants to see anyone in hell, the very fact they rage against sin and seek to call men to repentance is because they want them to escape the pains of hell and inherit eternal life with God. This standing against sin is the Love of God, saying sins are not sins is hate and from hell.

            It shows a serious flaw in your understanding of God that you say anyone that opposes sin and calls precious souls to repentance are haters and not walking in God’s Love.

          • Spoob

            I understand God’s love perfectly well. Which is to say it is love and not the hate you seem to wish it was. Sin is one thing and love is quite another, which homosexuality counts as.

            It isn’t possible to be repentant about homosexuality because it is not possible to be repentant about falling in love. The sooner you know this the better off you will be. This is not an act of rebellion against God. This is love. Simple love.

            Just because you say homosexuals can’t be Christians does not make it so. There are many. I know of many.

            If you hate homosexuals you are acting contrary to the word of God which calls on you to love, not hate.

          • Spoob

            Your entire post is self-righteous, arrogant, fundamentalist Christian dreck.

            No one said God was tolerant of sin. What you’re saying however is that your definition of sin is the one everyone should follow, and that is total nonsense. Your definition of sin is absurd.

            Yes, one may be homosexual and Christian. There isn’t room here to list all the denominations accepting of LGBT people. But you can’t wish those away, and you can’t pretend they don’t exist, either. They do exist, and your No True Scotsman fallacy doesn’t change that fact.

            You very much DO want to see certain people in Hell, it’s your hatred of homosexuals speaking. You would also like to see feminists in hell, homosexuals, and women. In short, your morality is defined completely by your opinion.

          • Terry Roll

            I will one up your homosexual Christians, and see you with Christian bodybuilding swingers! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/27/bodybuilding-christian-swingers_n_5890254.html

          • Terry Roll

            No way. You guys are way too much fun to talk to.

          • The Last Trump

            No apology required. No such thing as gay and lesbian “Christians”. I’m afraid they contradict one another. To be truly “Christian” one has to be anti-gay and lesbian no matter how badly they might wish it wasn’t so. These folks need to adopt another religion that makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside and stop referring to themselves as “Christian”. Not my opinion. Clear Biblical doctrine. Sorry.

          • Fundisi

            I thank you for your comments, you were quite right.

            However, I want you and everyone to know that It does grieve me when I feel the need to take a stand against things like homosexuality or gay marriage, knowing that it will offend these people and their liberal allies. I know that I would feel and have felt offended when God or man points out my sins and dares to warn me of God’s hatred of them. It is inevitable, but it still pains me that my words might cause others offense and pain. Yet, if I genuinely believe both homosexuality and gay marriage are sins and unrepented will cause a precious soul to lose heaven/life and suffer without end in hell, what should I do? Should I remain silent and just say, ‘let them go to hell, it’s none of my business?’ Or, should I with a tender heart for their souls risk offending them in the hopes that a few might hear, turn from their sins and find eternal life with God?

            It never please me to be ill thought of or accused of hate, as I know but for the grace of God, there go I, deserving of hell fire for my sins. It pains me that so many attack me and have great anger against me. It is not a pleasant task to contend for souls, but if I truly love my neighbor, even if I make mistakes along the way, what choice do I have?

          • The Last Trump

            Exactly. Just continue to boldly speak out for the Word of God and for our Lord and Saviour and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. Don’t worry about offending anybody by simply speaking the truth! Our society has turned it’s back to the God Who blessed us so richly and now calls good evil, and evil good. Once great nations like America are now unrecognizable from their former selves and face innumerable problems on every level.

            Christians are now an endangered species as the world simply can’t wait to be rid of us. Just listen to all the “tolerant” pleasure seekers who visit these Christian websites to attack Christians for the “crime” of staying true to the Word of God! Persecution is coming and time is running short. Keep proclaiming the truth while we can and perhaps we can uplift and encourage one another in our faith.

            For those who just want to argue and do battle, openly shame them for their ridiculous positions in defending the murders of innocents, sexual perversion, evolution and the like. And then move on. Let them spew their hate and intolerance and leave their comments to the community to decide which positions represent morality and virtue and which are self serving and carnal. Don’t waste your time on these lost causes who don’t actually seek truth but rather conflict. They’re just a tax on your time. So keep up the good fight and God bless! 😉

          • Spoob

            I think you’ll find there are many churches accepting of gay and lesbian Christians, and you can keep the blinders on all you like, just as in with gay marriage it’s a reality and a law which doesn’t require approval from bigoted fundamentalist Christianity. The Metropolitan Community Church is one especially welcoming to the LGTB community.

          • The Last Trump

            You are absolutely correct. And the Bible calls these churches “apostate” churches Spoobster. You might want to look that term up before you head on back to church on Sunday. …..yikes!

          • Spoob

            Apostate why? Because they are not yours, right. No True Scotsman fallacy strikes again.

          • The Last Trump

            You’ll have to eventually crack open a Bible if you can manage to find one, my “Christian” friend, to discover why some churches are considered apostate TO GOD.
            You remember GOD, right? He’s the ONE you’re supposed to be concerned about serving and not offending. Remember? No? Didn’t think so. Don’t want HIM raining on your PARADE now do we? ….gotta love these self serving “Christians” today!

          • Spoob

            I can’t believe what I’m reading! Who died and appointed you God? Rather, who appointed you the one who defines who is Christian and who isn’t? Is it really that hard for you to comprehend that you have ONE Bible interpretation, and the person next to you has ANOTHER one, and so on? Do you start to maybe SEE now that this is what your do-it-yourself fundie religion causes to happen?

            You ARE NOT GOD. You don’t SPEAK for God. You are not teacher’s pet to God. You don’t know God more personally and more correctly than any other Christian. Do you understand? Talk about being a “self serving Christian!”

          • The Last Trump

            Wow. Read into things much? Where was it exactly that I claimed to be God? Oh, that’s right. I didn’t. I merely pointed you in the direction OF God by directing you to the WORD of GOD, as any true Christian would. Nice try though. Attempt to confuse and evade. Try to blur the issues.
            And that infantile interpretation of the usefulness of the Bible! Yeesh! You take something from a passage, I take some different meaning from the same passage, somebody else takes something different again. Puh-lease! Another veiled attempt to render the Bible impotent if everybody gets to interpret whatever the hell they want to serve their own interests. Some guide book. Clear as mud, eh? Yeah, doesn’t work like that. But you already know that, don’t you? You stick with your fantasy and I’ll stay true to the Word of God. And we’ll see where that gets us, won’t we? Good luck!

          • Spoob

            Why do I need someone like you to “point me in the direction of God” at all? I know where God is. And I’m very aware of what the word of God is, I don’t need any true Scotsmen, excuse me, Christians, to point it out.

            I’ll bite, I’ll play your game. Which interpretation is the correct one? Let me guess – yours? Are you aware that the Bible didn’t fall from heaven one day in a leather-bound KJV edition, written in the King’s english? Are you the one who magically knows your way around all the interpretations, re-interpretations, misinterpretations, translations, re-translations, mistranslations, etc? Tell me again that you’re not playing God.

          • The Last Trump

            That you don’t know why a fellow Christian would direct others to the Bible speaks volumes. And your stand on current issues reveals your need to revisit said Book. But, only if you truly desire to be a Christian. All Christians receive their guidance from the Bible. And NO interpretation is the correct one. God has not left interpretation to us or we would find ourselves in the quagmire we see today. Confusion, quarrel, and discord. Your attempts at word play and “interpretation” would see the Bible a useless guide book. Thankfully God has removed this tactic in advance and made His wishes ridiculously plain. Only those wishing to disregard His wishes enjoy engaging in these infantile tactics, to their blatantly obvious shame.

          • Spoob

            No, what I don’t know is why one Christian would try to tell another Christian that he knows better. Who died and made you God? Why does your fundamentalist perspective trump my non-fundamentalist one? You question my Bible understanding. Likewise, I question yours. Which one of us is right, since we’re both Christians? Let me guess: You. Because God talks to you.

            So you’re saying there is no “interpreting” the Bible? How else do we live by it? Which is the correct understanding?

          • The Last Trump

            Like I said, good luck with that. We will see who’s “interpretation”!? of God’s CLEAR message is correct. I’m certainly not worried.

          • Spoob

            Congratulations on your magical ability to know God’s word without translation or interpretation.

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, it’s virtually impossible to understand the Bible without constant interpretation! Take any one of the Ten Commandments: “Thou shall not steal”. Wow. A real mystery there, I must admit. Why does God have to be so cryptic, right? I really must ponder the meaning of this cryptic phrase until I discover the “interpretation” therein. I certainly wouldn’t want to “interpret” the hidden meaning incorrectly and end up promoting theft now, would I? And, “Don’t lie with a man as you would with a woman”? Forget about it! We just will simply never be able to agree about the great mystery regarding just what it was God was trying to convey to us here! What rubbish.

            Congratulations on revealing to everybody here how ridiculous your “Christian” position is on the uselessness of the Bible. Stop wasting our time. Your “interpretation” defense for behaviour the Bible clearly regards as sin is getting old. But hey, don’t take the Bible’s word for it. You tell it to God when you see him, how you were able to “interpret” to do what He commanded us to do not. Good luck!

          • Spoob

            No genius, not every single verse needs interpretation. But lots of them do, and you are trying to pretend they don’t. That is intellectually dishonest of you. I see through it, and I’m calling you on it.

            This isn’t anything new, you can go to ten billion places online and find people arguing about the meaning of those verses. But only in places inhabited by fundies do you see people arrogant enough to claim they know EXACTLY what God meant. That’s your problem to overcome. Not mine.

            Did I mention before that you’re not God? I’m telling you again. You don’t make the rules here. You can’t stop me from posting. I can see how this is eating you alive, but you’re not God.

          • The Last Trump

            “No genius, not every single verse needs interpretation. But lots of them do, and you are trying to pretend they don’t. That is intellectually dishonest of you. I see through it, and I’m calling you on it.”
            Puh-lease! ALL of the verses supplied for you required NO INTERPRETATION WHATSOEVER. Only a fool (or somebody desiring to do the things outlined NOT TO DO) would desperately attempt to re-interpret in their favour. Painfully obvious. And your billions of people arguing about the meaning of said verses? Yep. LGBT supporters and promoters. Shocker!

            Eating me alive? Hee, hee! By all means, keep coming back and posting your foolishness. Some folks are suckers for punishment. The genuine Christians here will continue to shame and embarrass you every time you open your mouth. And honestly, the stuff you fools come up with is certainly entertaining. Thank you for making me laugh so many times! “Don’t lie with a man as you would with a woman”. “Interpretation”! Funny stuff Spoobster! 🙂

          • Spoob

            “ALL of the verses supplied for you required NO INTERPRETATION WHATSOEVER.”

            YES THEY DO YOU DOLT, THE TEXTS WERE NOT ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN ENGLISH! I mean have you got ROCKS in your head? A 5-year old could figure that out, what is your excuse?

            No one’s attempting to re-interpret, just figure out what was meant in the first place. And no, all the people discussing what is meant by certain verses aren’t LGBT people, they are Christians and theologians. ALL of them. Cute attempt at a diversion, shame it didn’t work! Not EVERYONE has a slant or an angle, you know, some of us just want to be clear about things!

            I don’t give a damn about you or ANY of the genuine Scotsmen here. You’re dead from the neck up. If you can’t figure out that the original text weren’t written in your redneck cornpone English you’re a lost cause Trumpy. That is all.

          • Fundisi

            Please explain why I am a male supremacist or white supremacist.

            When did I ever say I spoke FOR God?

            What about when we are called to make righteous judgments, that we might discern good from evil? Are we to obey Spoob and not God in this matter?

            You are right I know very little about your beliefs, but what I read here. Am I not allowed to and even should make judgments about your spiritual nature based on your own words?

            Tell me what makes a Fundamentalist Christian not a Christian?

          • Spoob

            You are speaking on God’s behalf every time you judge and condemn someone to hell. You’re not God and you should be focusing on your own sins.

            You are a Christian supremacist because your brand of Christianity thinks gay people go to hell and you completely overlook the fact that many gay Christians belong to Christian denominations and are just as Christian as you are.

            Fundamentalists judge, judge, judge. And play God. And are generally as un-Christlike as it is possible to be.

          • Fundisi

            Homosexual Christian is an oxymoron, they are mutually exclusive. Any Christian denomination accepting them as Christian, if they are unrepentant, are apostate, a false Christian Church. I have given you too many Scriptural references, which you are unable to refute that homosexuality is a sin.

          • Terry Roll

            Godless. I can get on board with that one.

          • John Watson

            Read Dreams from My Father… It’s all there.. Colonial Imperialism…the absolute disdain that this man has for the USA.

        • John Watson

          Absolutely agree..

  • gregkliebigsr

    Micah 6:8. He hath shewed thee, O MAN, what is GOOD ; and what doth THE LORD REQUIRE OF THE , but to do JUSTLY, and to LOVE MERCY , and TO WALK humbly WITH THY GOD !


    Romans 10: 13. For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be SAVED.

    “Thou shalt NOT lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination!” says the LORD GOD.

    The sin of homosexuality is a forgivable sin, but a person must confess and repent of their sin to the LORD JESUS; I John 1:8-9

    IT IS A demon spirit from satan and he does not want more CHRISTIANS BORN FOR GOD TO INHABIT!

    • Christopher

      God bless you greatly for this post. may the lord deliver us from this evil and perversion in Jesus name. Amen

      • Spoob

        May the lord deliver us from evil bigots and hatred. Amen.

        • The Last Trump

          What, that’s it? You don’t want to address any of the scriptures provided above that CLEARLY explain God’s position on homosexuality? Not surprising. And typical of LGBT supporters who like to call themselves “Christian”. Please. Move along. You’re just embarrassing yourself here.

          • Spoob

            If you don’t like my being here you’re free to leave.

            The Bible DOES get some things wrong, you know. Bats are not birds, The earth is not flat. Snakes do not speak because they don’t have voice boxes. And homosexuality occurs in about 10% of the animal kingdom including human beings. What a shame you can’t kill them all, eh?

          • The Last Trump

            Sooooooo……..still nothing of any value to say about the Bible’s stand on homosexuality? I see. It’s a common tactic to “your” kind. Evade and confuse. Change the subject. Call everybody who doesn’t agree with you “haters!” Sad.
            And I won’t be going anywhere. Between the two of us, I actually resemble a “Christian”, support the Word of God as just that, the Word of God, and call sin, sin. But hey, you keep coming back now, ya’ hear! There’s hope for you yet!

          • Spoob

            Oh, is THAT what I’m doing? Would you care to tell me how it is possible for the Bible to be addressing the subject of homosexuality in ANY way when the word wasn’t even COINED until 1859? Who is embarrassed NOW?

            Fundamentalists are just hilarious.

          • The Last Trump

            ?? Did you seriously just write that? Wow. What ignorance and willful blindness.

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind. It is an abomination.” Lev.18:22 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death ; their blood shall be upon them.” Lev.20:13 “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders. Nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” 1 Cor. 6:9. “But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife (not husband), and each woman her own husband (not wife ;).” 1 Cor. 7:2. “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” Romans 1:27. “In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.” Jude 1:7. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife (again, not husband), and they will become one flesh.” Gen.2:24.

            No need to respond. I think everybody here can tell very clearly what you’re all about. Who’s embarrassed now he says! What a moron.

          • Spoob

            Congratulations! You just identified the Biblical verses speaking against male prostitution. Feel better?

          • The Last Trump

            Male prostitution?……..Riiiiight. Okey dokey there, Mr. Magoo. As you were.

          • Spoob

            Got any proof it’s not? >crickets<
            No, didn't think so.
            But by all means, round up the likeminded bigots for a little heartwarming confirmation bias.

          • The Last Trump

            Got any proof?! Crikets! Ha! Ha! Ha! Are you for real?

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind. It is an abomination.” = male prostitution! Hee, hee! Suuure.

            “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination” = Yep. Has to be male prostitution! (hee, hee) Riiiight.

            “Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men” = male prostition! Absolutely! Couldn’t possible mean what it says now, could it?
            Done wasting my time here. I’m a bigot because I can read accurately! You fools are too much! Bye now.

          • Spoob

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind. It is an abomination.” = male prostitution! Yup. That’s how many people interpret it. But let’s ignore that for a moment. Who is the THOU being addressed? First problem. Second problem – LIE WITH. Meaning sexually? Really? Why then wouldn’t it SAY sexually?
            “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination” = Yep. Has to be male prostitution!”

            I wonder if you’re aware that “abomination” is the same word used to describe a menstruating woman? Not to trivialize your position any further, mind.

            Rather than choke on your own self-satisfied sarcasm, why don’t you take a look at this link:


            I’m so glad you’re done wasting your time. It would be a shame if you opened your mind and learned something, wouldn’t it? Or at least opened your mind to the possibility that your sole interpretation might be wrong.

          • The Last Trump

            Newsflash confused one. I didn’t interpret anything. YOU did. And how desperately you do try! It is entertaining watching you folks spin your yarns and grasp at straws. 😉

          • Spoob

            So, you don’t have an interpretation then? What do you have – the absolute undisputed truth?

            Every time one of you fundamentalists thinks you can bypass all this pesky “interpretation’ stuff and just cut to the chase straight through to the truth, I just shake my head. I mean, you don’t even SEE how arrogant that is.

          • The Last Trump

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind…If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination…Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men”.
            Uh huh. You see a big need for interpretation THERE, do you? Grow up and stop wasting everybody’s time. Absolutely ridiculous. Talk about shaking your head. A small child could understand such simple and direct language. Funny how supporters of the LGBT cause struggle with such self explanatory and simple language. Shameful.

          • Spoob

            Well, I know plenty of people who are conflicted over the meaning of those passages. You, of course, have it so completely ingrained in your head that it means the insane, evil hateful garbage you say that there is no disputing it in your mind. I even sent you links earlier of those very passages in dispute from a website called (wait for it) Religious Tolerance. But tolerance isn’t really your bag, is it Sparky? Not when you condemn, judge and hate – all the things Jesus tells you NOT to do. So how about them apples, then? Got any words of wisdom or a fascinating new interpretation of Matthew 7:1-3? And how about that bit about the mote? Taken any time to deal with that absolute LOG sticking out of your own eye?


          • The Last Trump

            “Well, I know plenty of people who are conflicted over the meaning of those passages.”

            Yeah, me too. They are called LGBT supporters. Shocker.

            Condemn, judge and hate? Ahh, yes. Point out simple scriptures that call sin, sin and the hate card comes out! Take it up with God. That childish tactic is getting pretty old. And you might want to crack open a Bible, “Christian”, cause condemn and judge just happen to be on God’s resume. Oh, you thought God was all about love exclusively and everybody goes to heaven regardless of conduct? Grow up. How naïve can you get. Newsflash “Sparky”. God has a zero tolerance for sin. Did you get that? That’s His level of “religious tolerance”. Again, take it up with Him if you don’t like it.

            “All the things Jesus tells you NOT to do”. Oh, do we disagree on some point of scripture? So sorry. But my “interpretation” doesn’t have to be the same as yours now, does it? Remember? Yeah, exactly. Not a very efficient and practical system is it? What nonsense.
            Pathetic is right. But there is hope. Keep coming back and read over the scriptures the Christians supply for you. At least you’re on the right website. Could be worse. You could be at the Gay Times.

          • Spoob

            “Yeah, me too. They are called LGBT supporters. Shocker.” Wrong. You flat out refuse to look at the religious tolerance website I keep pointing you towards, that’s one place. Many churches dispute it, with the more reasonable Episcopalians and United Church on one side and the frothing-at-the-mouth fundies on the other pushing the hate side of it.

            Take it up with God? Physician, heal thyself. I just LOVE the way you fundies talk about God as though he’s your big brother standing next to you with a large stick, when in reality you’re going to have to face him like everyone else. My best guess is he’s not going to be too happy with your blatant ignoring of the whole “judge not” thing. Where in your religion’s playbook does it tell you that you’re judge, jury and executioner? You’re not without sin bucko, so maybe quit chucking the stones.

            And after all this time you don’t realize that what you have is what everyone else has got when it comes to the Bible – an interpretation. But of course yours is the right one, just ask your BFF God. Who somehow excuses your hate speech.

          • The Last Trump

            Oh brother! On about hate speech again? Where exactly was the hate speech, accuser? Scriptures quoted from the Bible? Hee, hee! You guys are too much! Hate speech! You might want to re-read your own posts, oh “tolerant” one. LGBT promoters are the most intolerant, hateful people I have ever seen. Would have made great Nazis. Bye Spoob. Don’t want to hurt your tender feelings further with any more of those annoying scriptures. Enjoy your brand of “Christianity” while it lasts. It won’t last long. (See Bible for specifics. It’s all in there.)

    • BarkingDawg

      Do you ever wear cotton blend shirts?

      That’s a sin, you know.

    • Terry Roll

      Do you think we read you louder because you use a bunch of caps?

  • Spoob

    Once again, it’s not same-sex ‘marriage’. It is same-sex marriage. No disapproving quotation marks necessary.

    • MattFCharlestonSC

      Spoob, quit harassing the ‘Christian’ fundies. As per usual, they know not what they do.

      • Spoob

        I keep thinking they can be reached with logic. I know, how naive of me.

      • The Last Trump

        You two lost? I think you’re after a different website where “Christian” wannabe’s get together to tear out the pages of the Bible that disagrees with their lifestyle choices and everybody gets a pass to heaven regardless of conduct. What a nice fantasy! Yeah, that’s not this website. Move along, you poor misguided souls. Unless of course you’re truly interested in being followers of Christ instead of seekers of pleasure in all of it’s twisted and perverted forms. In which case, you might want to read the Bible through at least once and then come on back and participate in meaningful discussion here. Otherwise take your edited version of “Christianity” and set up your own website. The rest of us will look you up if we tire of serving God and decide to serve ourselves instead and long for “doctrine” that tickles our ears and permits our pleasure seeking activities.

        • MattFCharlestonSC

          I’m kind of busy right now, so I’ll summarize all of my points in lieu of writing out something as long and pointless as you did.
          -This is a public forum.
          -This does have to do with me, as I am a gay man and don’t care to be lambasted without proper representation.
          -Please, never feel obligated to look me up.

  • robertzaccour

    I don’t believe that government should have anyting to do with marriage. I also believe in Biblical marriage which is between a man and a woman.

    • Bob Burke

      The government has to have some way of identifying spouses so it can treat them differently than two random people off the street, just as it does parent child relationships. It uses a civil contract titled ‘Marriage’ but that title could be anything – many European nations call them unions.

      But reserving the word marriage for religious use won’t change anything, many religions marry couples regardless of their genders just fine.

  • MattFCharlestonSC

    Now that Obama has endorsed our lifestyle, phase 1 of our dastardly plan is complete (as i twirl my handlebar mustache).

  • Spoob

    Wow, so many people calling themselves Christians just licking their chops in anticipation of the gay people they hate so much going down to hell. You can feel the blood lust emanating from the type on the screen.

    • The Last Trump

      Translation: “Don’t you dare refer to sin as sin! Every man shall do what is right in HIS OWN EYES! Never mind what the Bible has to say, you Fundies! Sin is what Spoob says it is, not the Bible.”
      Please, Spoob, enlighten us. Just what exactly is “sin” in your world and what behaviours and practices should we avoid as “Christians” according to your Bible?

      • Spoob

        Sin, OK, call me crazy, but how about things where one person uses their will against another for their own gain – so things like rape, murder, adultery? And maybe NOT a consensual relationship between two willing and consenting adults? Try to stay with me here, I know it’s a radical idea, but love isn’t really what God had in mind when he talked about sin.

        • John_33

          Any disobedience against God is sin – even if the intentions are ‘good.’ Uzzah put his hand on the Ark of the Covenant to keep it steady from falling, but despite his intention, he clearly disobeyed God’s commands. Did God really need a man to hold up His holy covenant? No, and for presumptuously holding onto the Ark, Uzzah died. We can come up with all sorts of justifications for our sin, but in the end, it only matters what God says. If God declares homosexuality to be sinful, then it doesn’t matter whether we disobey out of love or commitment or for friendship. God forbids it, and He will not excuse anyone who disobeys.

          • Spoob

            When something makes so little sense that God could not possibly have meant it, because Gid is not a bigot OR a fundamentalist Christian, then you have to dig just a little deeper.

          • John_33

            Well, at that point when things make little sense, you must ask, does God know what He’s doing? Is He really infinite, or is His wisdom really infinite? The answer is a resounding yes! It may not be what we want or what we hope for, but it’s truly what’s best for us. God really does know what He’s doing, and if He knows what He’s doing, then we can trust in Him and know with complete certainty that if we obey Him, then things really will work out for our good, but we can only get to that place if we humble ourselves and submit to God’s will. He’s not going to force us to do what’s right, but He’s waiting for us to come.

          • Gary

            God is a bigot. He is unaccepting of lots of people. That is why there are more people in Hell than in Heaven.

          • Spoob

            God is a bigot, huh? I think even some of your fellow fundies would disagree with you on that…

        • The Last Trump

          Just as I thought. Never references the Bible once.
          Now, try to stay with me here, Spoobmeister. I know it’s a radical concept to you “Christians” of 2015, but guess who decides what the definition of sin is? That’s right, Spoob! That would be God. Not you, and not me. God. And guess where He’s put that definition where we can find it? You guessed it! The Bible.

          Oh, what’s that, Spoob? The Bible’s full of errors and contradictions? Huh. Guess God’s not so good at being God then, now is He? Can’t even get His message across to us without allowing it to become quite useless for us. Guess He can’t really condemn anybody now, could He? Not when all we have to do is point out the utter uselessness of His guide book. Case dismissed, eh? Another freebie to Heaven!

          Please tell me you don’t identify as a Christian! With this kind of logic? Please! I really don’t understand the attraction for you, considering the uselessness of the Bible and the inept carelessness of the Christian God?!

          Ah yes! Of course! Once you limit the Bible to mere stories, myths and fairy tales, I guess you can pretty well do whatever the hell you want, can’t you? Nice! No wonder “this” brand of Christianity is so popular today among the LGBT crowd and the liberals. What a joke.

          • Spoob

            Nope. Not referencing the Bible. How about that? What does that tell you? What is should tell you is that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are Bible-Only. Isn’t that amazing? And the reason for that is that the Bible isn’t all there is and ever was. There were church teachings and sacred traditions too. What? Your church threw those out? But why? On whose authority did they do that?

            Are you telling me, Trumpmeister, that you think that it’s physically possible to have a talking snake or donkey? That the Ark could have physically occurred? That the earth is flat? That bats are birds? Can you offer proof of any of these things, and NO, the Bible doesn’t count as a scientific source?

            Didn’t think so.

            Guess what else? I’m a Christian. But I’m not a Bible literalist because that’s crazy. I understand the concept of metaphor. I also understand the scientific FACT that people don’t choose their sexuality and have no control over it and they have the right to fall in love just like the rest of us do that that no, it’s not sin, it’s just a simple variation in human sexuality. Have you ever looked at a science book, Trumpmeister? You know what’s nice about them? They are right whether you believe in them or not.

          • Gary

            You are deluded if you think you are a Christian.

          • Spoob

            Thank you, that means SO much coming from you.

          • The Last Trump

            “Nope. Not referencing the Bible. How about that? What does that tell you?”

            Tells me you’re confused. Likes to play “Christian” and troll Christian websites but has absolutely no use for the Bible or the doctrine therein. God refers to such as “fools”, “false”, “apostate”, and “anti-Christ”.

            “What it should tell you is that NOT ALL CHRISTIANS are Bible-Only”

            Very true. Again, God calls such fools “false” Christians and “deceivers” who should be avoided and dismissed.

            “And the reason for that is that the Bible isn’t all there is and ever was”

            What a ridiculous statement from somebody professing to be a “Christian”. Your ignorance of the importance of the Word of God glaringly reveals you to be the charlatan that you are. Do yourself a favour and adopt another religion that more closely resembles the self serving “cause” you foolishly desire.

            “and NO, the Bible doesn’t count as a scientific source”

            Wow. We don’t have the time or the space here to educate you on reality, but, lucky for you we have that little wonder called the INTERNET. Do yourself another favour and USE IT to get informed. For example, my confused little friend, the greatest minds of the 20th century all believed that the Universe had no beginning. And everybody laughed at the silly Christian account of Creation. The Universe always just was. A constant, if you will. Until Hubble came along and proved with scientific measurements that the Universe did, indeed, have a BEGINNING and EXPANDED from a single point.
            Huh. Einstein and the greatest scientific minds of the twentieth century, WRONG. Moses RIGHT. Einstein and his peers = UNRELIABLE. Ancient BIBLICAL TEXT = ABSOLUTE TRUTH. And that’s just one example. So please take your unfounded and misinformed gibberish about what is scientific and what is not, you “Christian” you, and save it for the less educated to buy into. You’re just embarrassing yourself further here. And please stop attempting to blur the lines between sexuality and love. Two completely separate concepts. I love my children and I love my friends. But I don’t attempt to get sexual gratification from them. Slightly inappropriate. (At least, it used to be. Not so much these days with some “Christians” spreading confusion and promoting sexual anarchy.) God also loves us, His children. Enough to die on a cross and pay the penalty for your sin and mine. Get the picture? Love has very little to do with sexuality.

            And by all means, stay informed with the advances in scientific knowledge. I do. It’s exciting to see a growing number of honest scientists revealing their irrefutable findings in support of the Bible and the overwhelming evidence of unmistakeable design by our Creator we are discovering wherever we care to look. Exciting time to be a Christian! Again, make good use of that Internet and get informed. You won’t tend to be embarrassed as much. 🙂

          • Spoob

            I’m confused, and you’re the one dictating what makes a person Christian? I happen to have very great faith in the Bible. But the Bible can be used as well as abused, and you are a golden example of the latter. God may very well refer to “fools”, “false,” “apostate” and “anti-Christ,” but how do you know he’s not talking about YOU?

            Simple answer: You don’t. And considering that you are self-righteously declaring the Bible-only crowd to be the true Scotsmen, excuse me, Christians, and doing so ENTIRELY from your own opinion – sir, why should ANYONE listen to you at all? It so happens that the three pillars the original Christians followed were scripture, sacred traditions and the magisterium (church teachings). Why did you throw two of those things out all by yourself? Who gave you the authority to do that? And how does discarding those two very important things make you a better, truer Christian than all the rest? The Bible ISN’T all there is an all there ever was. This statement shocked and offended you. But do a little research into history and you’ll find out that I’m right.

            And I have absolute faith in science, it never lies to me or lets me down. It admits that it occasionally makes mistakes though. If only so many of the fools armed with a Bible and the “truth” could do the same thing.

            Finally, my confused little fundamentalist friend, educate yourself by speaking to actual homosexuals, who are going to tell you that they are in love. No, they’re not lying to you. They have no reason to lie to you. They ARE in love.

          • The Last Trump

            You’re right. You ARE confused. On this we agree. Still stuck on what makes someone a Christian? Seriously, where on Earth did you get your Christian teaching from? I dictate nothing. I had to discover that verrry simple truth myself, as have all “real” Christians. The Bible. Period. You know, those chapters and verses that were INSPIRED by God, quoted by Christ, and have prophetically come to pass with absolute precision and regularity. THAT Bible. Keep your other “churchy” writings that you cling to all you want. Did Jesus ever quote those? And do you actually believe anything written since that CONTRADICTS the Word of God has come from God? Give me a break!

            So how do we know if we are Christian? Jesus tells us doesn’t He? It’s really a very simple process. We begin as hearers of the Word, and then we become DOERS of the Word. Not rocket science. Do what It says. As it says. Don’t bother trying to twist it, er, I mean “interpret” it to suit your selfish purposes in the process. Otherwise, you suddenly find your Godless society casting off God, banning Bibles and endorsing and promoting “alternative lifestyles” that have been immoral for generations. Not now though. NOW we have become morally superior eh? Riiiight.

            Guess you thought all these changes in the definition of marriage and the REJECTION of God and the Bible were merely coincidences? Nice try, “Christian”.

            Just wondering what your “interpretation” of thou shalt not kill is? How about thou shall not covet thy neighbours wife? (funny how He left out “husband” too. Not very politically correct. Hmmm…) Thou shall not steal? Gee, I do hope your interpretation is the same as mine or we could really get into a bit of trouble now, couldn’t we? What a bunch of nonsense.

          • Spoob

            No sir. No confusion. I have dealt many, many times with crazed, hateful fundamentalists who like to beat up others with their bibles. For the record, that ain’t what makes someone a Christian. I know it gives you a nice self-righteous warm fuzzy inside when you talk down to and browbeat people who point out how insane your beliefs are, but that is not what makes a person a Christian. Would you care to explain to me why church teachings are man-made, but the Bible is not? Again, did it fall from the sky one day in a leather-bound KJV edition?

            If you want to lecture me about Jesus saying we should be hearers and doers of the Word, how is it you hear His word and do the opposite? He tells you not to judge and you judge. He tells you to love and you hate. He tells you to be kind and you oppress. In some ways you’re a MASTER at knowing what Jesus teaches. But then you do the complete opposite. Why?

            Interpretation about “Thou shalt not kill”? You really want to play that game? OK then. I can EASILY find you a dispute on the internet without even blinking an EYE over whether that should be “kill” or “murder” – and yes, there is a world of difference between those two words. Not as simple as you thought, is it? You want me to provide a link or twenty to prove it?

            Love is love, and there are many kinds of love. Jesus never broke them down. If you want now to tell me that Jesus spoke against two homosexuals having a sexual encounter, I invite you to find a passage about it, but you won’t. And your argument from silence fallacy won’t help you this time. You LOSE.

          • The Last Trump

            Well, there you have it folks! I lose because Spoob says I do. (hee, hee) Ahhh, this guy kills me! Too funny! And the Bible is unreliable, God too inept to actually get a meaningful message to us, and sin is what Spoob says it is. Which, by the way, is NOT homosexuality, despite being a painfully obvious perversion of our Creator’s design. Thanks Spoob! Thank God you visit this site and educate us. We can now toss out our “man made” Bibles that are so worthless to you. How truly sad I am for you.

            How unfortunate for you that you’ve been suckered into believing that the Bible is just another book. Truly astounding that you call yourself a Christian and value this gift of God so little. But not surprising considering your anti-Christian positions and “interpretation” defense for openly sinning. Your lack of education and astounding ignorance regarding the Bible is very telling. It’s no wonder that you’re so misguided.

            The number one book in distribution every single year since books have been in print, this book has stood the test of time and outlasted all of its critics. This marvel of literature consists of 66 books that were penned by 40 different authors in three different languages and from various walks of life across a period of thousands of years. It is so unique that there is
            not another book like it on earth. This was a deliberate and gradual design whereby God revealed Himself to mankind over time. None of these individual authors claimed any of the credit for the messages they were given and most didn’t even want the job. Many, like the prophet Daniel, didn’t even have a
            clue what they were writing about and were told not to concern themselves with the visions that confused and disturbed them because they concerned a generation in the distant future who would understand (restored Jewish state, atomic warfare, satellite technology, holocausts). And things start to get
            really disconcerting when, despite having been written by so many different authors who have been separated by geography and time, you discover an integrated design of unmistakable uniformity throughout, maintaining its cohesion and bringing into focus a clearer overall picture of future events which have continued to come to pass with regularity.

            But you go ahead and believe that mere men accomplished all this. What a low opinion of God you must have. Incapable of mustering enough power or influence to have His message preserved for His children. What a joke.

            Well, I’ve said my peace and I’m moving on. You enjoy playing “Christian” with all of your LGBT friends while you slander the Word of God and mock our Creator’s design for marriage and family. May God forgive you for promoting deceit and minimizing the unique gift that is His Word. And all while claiming to be “Christian.” How very sad. Whatever you may think of me, I sincerely hope you take the time to get more informed. And genuinely ask Christ for guidance in this matter. So sure that your interpretation is right? Take your case to Him and follow wherever He leads you, no matter how uncomfortable the road might be. And forget about what everybody else says. Including me.

            Good luck and God bless! I’m sure we’ll talk again! 🙂

          • Gary

            Spoob must be trying to fool other infidels into thinking that he is a Christian. Not sure why he would want to. But he has not fooled God. Or Christians.

          • Spoob

            “Well there you have it folks!” You’re having a blast playing to your imaginary audience, aren’t you? With all your hee hee hees and your deadpanning and eye rolling and “Too funnys” and amused to death demeanor. Is this a defense mechanism you’ve been refining over the years when you’re confronted with ACTUAL facts, not the kind of “truth” that comes in quotation marks that all the Christian supremacists peddle? HEE HEE HEE! Laff riot! Stop it, you’re killing me….oh GOD.

            If you want to say the Bible’s unreliable, it’s your words, not mine. I just ask the simple question how you can be the one single person among billions who knows exactly what was meant in passages that people have been wrestling with for centuries. You and only you know the precise translation, the precise wording, the precise interpretation (there’s that word again). You fundies haven’t got a single ounce of humility, not a speck. I get a hell of a lot more talking to Christians who are seeking answers than those who are God’s Best Friend who had him bestow on them the One True Correct Meaning. It ISN’T astounding that you consider yourself a Christian. What’s sad is that you consider yourself the superior master race of Christian, and have all the knowledge the rest of us lack.

            And look at you, playing master historian, giving me all this information about the very Bible that you don’t even know was canonized by the Catholic church you hate so much. Instructing on a book you know nothing about. I mean, the Bible you use has 7 entire books ripped out of it, and you’re going to be INSTRUCTING other people?

            Take your own medicine, I don’t need it. Get informed, get a little humility, get a life.

    • John Mark IB

      hey spoob, (neat name by the way) 🙂 not one for the debating so much, this is a site which we express our opinions and open forum, so sometimes we get angry at the stuff we see going on in our society and we feel helpless to stop or change etc.,

      but look dear friend, with all due respect, seriously, and much love always, my wife’s family has 2 individuals one is a practicing homosexual in the lifestyle openly and none of us reject him, he comes to our houses with his friend(s) and we hug them love on them, and don’t really judge them, I have given him the True life saving message of the gospel and let him decide, as I will here with you at the end, also the other is a he ( thinks he’s a she) that happens to think he was born as a woman trapped inside a man’s body, so he thinks he’s a she, never do I reject this man I have given him the true life saving gospel of Jesus and let him decide, and there’s more to this story that can be told but enough, but I’ll just say this, I also was molested by a homosexual older 18yr old man?, as a child and so while it could’ve been horribly worse, it wasn’t actually as bad as it could’ve been in other words it didn’t get to the place the molester exactly wanted or even could’ve forced himself if possible? thank GOD I didn’t get raped ok? of course that doesn’t taint my views on the issue, I have no hatred nor desire to see any one suffer or go to hell, I have to forgive the guy but you never forget evils done to you or family etc., you know hat I mean? even if you do forgive them, it’s still hard to forget evils done to you,

      but GOD can both forgive and forget you know? not one to enjoy hating people at all myself, mainly because it’s wrong, don’t really like anger and I’m not really into the practice, plus My LORD tells me hatred is same as murder in my heart, so not for me, I don’t have it in me to kill or want to kill anyone really, I’m not perfect but am a born again saved by grace blood bought child of GOD, placed my faith in Jesus Christ and Him alone, who has realized my need for a Savior and have repented of my sins( unfortunately I sin daily so I ask Him to help and forgive my sins not perfect on my own but Him in me), sometimes it seems we’re very harsh yes it’s true, but it’s just sometimes frustration at world events out of control sin that we’re supposed to be salt and light so we judge it as we believe it should be to hopefully stand for righteousness and Him!!
      and yeah maybe we don’t always act like we should and we fall way too much for acting foolish, it might seem …..

      now the issue is about truth in love, point being, not one of us here as a true representative of Christ, who we claim to serve, actually enjoys ever hearing of the lost going to a fiery eternal hell, (which the cults will deny cuz it makes them feel good) we actually care deeply, as Christ did and does, for the lost, no matter who or what they are or do!! really! I love my wife’s homosexual and so called transgendered or transvestite? family members dearly, and honestly it’s difficult to want to tell them, “hey you will go to hell if you don’t repent and ask GOD to save you and get born again as Jesus says we must!!”

      but if you really care then you have to tell them the ugly truth, the good the bad and the ugly!! example the doctor says “hey spoob there’s the good news and bad news you know?” Jesus says hey I’ve got good news you can live with me in eternity in heavenly bliss or you can stay sick and die in your sins and spend eternity in a fiery hell eventually lake of fire??

      sorry but that’s the gospel message, Christ dies for sinners of which I say I’m the worst like the Apostle Paul says he is the chief of sinners, I actually believe I’m worse, but He is more than fair allows us to decide and that’s it, anyways dear friend none is intending hurt, you or anyone here with meanness, but with all love and sincerity please, we are all in a different place at this moment in our lives, and spiritual level or non spiritual level either alive or dead, I will leave you with this, (see the sites below)

      please read it and consider it prayerfully and it’s up to you the greatest thing about the Christian faith is in comparison the the religion that is hating and killing everyone in the name of allah is that Jesus give you the choice you have the limited free will to accept or reject His Salvation message of grace through faith , His coming and suffering being beaten, whipped, punched, mocked, scourged, nails in the hands and feet crown of thorns humiliated publicly for what sin? the sin of loving fallen humans like me!!, then saying forgive them for they know not what they do??

      ha ahh my dear friend that’s the love of Christ for you, we are all in a sickened condition and so it’s hard to accept it at first until you surrender and listen to His call upon your heart, ask Him for help to understand it, He says you too can call out to Him and He will hear your call and save you and you’ll actually be glad it’s the best decision you’ll ever make He’ll give you True Peace as only He can!! and never leave you or forsake you ever!!, I hope this helps you dear friend, and will be praying for you with love always, even if I’m not perfect specimen of a Christian in the eyes of man, It’s Him who is working on me to make me more like Himself!! I am worse than Peter and fail Him quite a bit, anyways take care, be well be safe, and

      may GOD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen also here’s the hope please make up you own mind, have a blessed day and week






  • Harry Oh!

    This guy is a nightmare. But America voted him in twice, so he must speak for the majority.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Only because the lunatics are running the asylum.

  • guestus

    You may not agree with him but you let him in. Y’all got what you deserved.

  • John Mark IB
  • Truthhurts24

    The most blatant satanic president I ever saw in this country.

  • Kingsone

    It really breaks my heart to hear people claim to be Christian but their lifestyle and beliefs are completely contrary to the Word of the one true God. Yes the Bible does say “Judge not, that you be not judged.” (Matthew 7:1) However, Jesus is talking about believers judging other believers not non-believers. Non-believers like to throw this verse at TRUE Christians when we judge sin. We have every right to call sin what it is! They just don’t want to hear the truth because it does not fit with their carnal lifestyle even though the Word of God is truth. They like to pick and choose certain scriptures and twist them to confuse people. I love God and His word and this is highly offensive to me. Christians and our faith in Jesus Christ are the ones being attacked today it is not the other way around as some claim! Spoob, if you would like me to list the scriptures in the Bible that refer to what the one true God really thinks of homosexuality, I will be more than happy to. God is not the author of confusion. Satan is. There is an all out assault on the Word of God today and TRUE Christianity. Many people are deceived and on that very wide path to destruction thanks to wolves in sheep’s clothing. Pray for them, they know not what they do.

  • Guest

    There’s no such a thing as “same – gender marriage to begin with”.

    The state does not have the right to re-define religious institutions and pass laws to establish this new religious institution, which would in effect be passing laws to establish a new state religion (violation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment), which in turn would criminalize Christian belief about marriage (another violation of the First Amendment).

    States do not have any right to do any such thing – we’re protected from such judicial religious tyranny by the Constitution of the United States of America.

    Not to mention that every single man already has the same right as every other man: to marry one woman. And every single woman already has the same right as every single woman: to marry one man. So the claim anyone’s being denied “equal rights” is a lie.

    Jesus pointed out that marriage is between one man and one woman:

    Matthew 19:4-6 “And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus even points out that for the cause of making them male and female, this is why male will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife.

    Mark 10:5-7 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (7) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;”

    Jesus said God made them male and female – not male and male – not female and female.

    Jesus said man shall leave father and mother, not father and father, not mother and mother.

    Jesus said man shall cleave to his wife, not to his husband, not to her wife.

    Not to mention Jesus is God, so the entire Word of God is the Words of Christ. As Jesus is The Word.

    John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

    The Lord rebukes us for our attempts to destroy what He defined as one man and one woman.

    As if that’s not enough,

    (1) Marriage is a religious institution that has existed since the beginning of time.

    (2) The government is violating the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America by REDEFINING religious institutions then passing laws to establish this new state religion where anyone who does not adhere to this new state religion is condemned as a criminal: sued and fined thousands of dollars.

    (3) Marriage is for the possibility of procreation for the continuance of society. A same-gender marriage is, by design, never capable of such a thing.

    (4) Any pro-creation should be within a marriage – same-gender ‘marriages’ are forced to go outside the ‘marriage” 100% of the time by design.

    (5) Kids have the right to be raised by their biological mother and father – same-gender marriages deny them this right 100% of the time, by design.

    (6) Kids have the right to be raised by a mother and a father, not forced into setups that are dysfunctional 100% of the time: two or more fathers and no mother, or two or more mothers and no father.

    (7) Every single person alive has one biological mother and one biological father. Nature alone re-iterates what marriage is – that this is what a family is.

  • Tedlick Badkey

    Why, thanks Barry… but I still wouldn’t vote for you.

  • BarkingDawg

    Marriage Equality is a done deal.

    Get used to it.

    10 years from now, most people won’t care.

    It’s kind of like inter-racial marriage in that regard.

    Most Americans don’t care.

    A few hardcore haters still hang on, but they are pretty much marginalized.

    • The Last Trump

      Don’t be so hard on yourself.

    • Gary

      ssm is not marriage. We won’t get used to it. 10 years from now it is very likely you will be gone.

      • BarkingDawg

        Why would I be gone?

        Are you threatening me?

        • Gary

          I’m not going to do anything to you. But God is.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            Ooooo… spooky!

            That claim is over 2,000 years old… and just as silly today as it was 2,000 years ago.

          • Gary

            You don’t have much longer to wait.

          • BarkingDawg

            Care to give a better prediction of the exact date?

        • Tedlick Badkey

          He threatens everybody.

          It’s what he does.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Gary… by refusing to accept that my marriage is a “real marriage”, what are you hoping to accomplish?

        • Gary

          I’m showing that marriage is heterosexual only. I’m proving that there are still people who refuse to go along with the perversion of marriage. I’m resisting evil.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            So you accomplish nothing.

            Got it.

          • Gary

            Its important that someone point out the lies you and the federal judges are telling.

  • Tim Raynor

    It’s called “Equal Rights” and it’s guaranteed under the Constitution. That’s how a constitutional republic works, as majority does not rule over all people. Your Bible is not law, the Constitution is and nowhere does it define the rules of marriage. Get over it.

    • Gary

      Since the Constitution does not address marriage, then there is no reason to claim it requires ssm to be legal. Equal rights in marriage have always been lawful. Everyone has always been under the same rules for marriage, and that makes it Constitutional.

      • Tedlick Badkey

        Alabama, dear Gary!

        Ain’t it wonderful?

        • Gary

          Another federal judge who has lied and abused his office.

          • Tedlick Badkey

            You’re losing. 60 rulings to your 3. I love it!

  • Gary

    This nonsense is aggravating to us Christians. It vexes our souls. But take heart fellow believers because this situation is temporary. There is soon coming a day when GOD himself will straighten everything out. In that day, we shall rejoice in God and praise him for making all things right!!!!!!

    • BarkingDawg

      When the rapture comes, I’m taking your car.

  • ppp777

    You only have yourselves to blame , you reap what you sow .

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Obama is wrong. Freedom is to be able to declare homosexuality sin as it is and to call out to the homosexuals for repentance. USA must never oppress the religious people’s conscience by enforcing abnormal immorality upon everyone.