Katy Perry’s Evangelical Minister Father on Lesbianism-Promoting Daughter: ‘I’m Always Proud’

HudsonsKeith Hudson, the evangelical minister father of pop star Katy Perry, known for her hit song “I Kissed a Girl,” which she performed at the Super Bowl in Phoenix on Sunday, told reporters prior to her appearance that he was proud of his daughter.

“Oh no, I don’t have a problem,” he told the Daily Mail when asked if he had any issue with her scheduled performance at the event. “I’m always proud. I’m a proud father.”

“She’s gonna do some good [songs],” Hudson said. “She’s excited.”

Hudson, 67, said that he was going to attend the Super Bowl on Sunday just to see his daughter perform.

“Hanging out with our pastor @jentezen at the ‪#‎SuperBowl‬ waiting for ‪#‎katyperry‬ and ‪#‎halftime‬,” he wrote on Facebook Sunday evening. Hudson also shared a Tweet that his daughter had posted earlier that day of Psalm 118, which read, “Today is the day the Lord has made! I will rejoice and be glad in it!”

As previously reported, Perry performed several songs during the show, including “Roar,” “California Gurls,” “Teenage Dream” and “Fireworks.” During “Roar,” the pop star rode a giant mechanical lion, and during “California Girls” and “Teenage Dream” she was accompanied by dancers dressed in shark costumes.

“Let’s go all the way tonight/No regrets, just love,” she sang during “Teenage Dream.” “[I’ll] let you put your hands on me in my skin-tight jeans/Be your teenage dream tonight.”

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Perry also sang her hit song “I Kissed a Girl,” which speaks about experimenting with lesbianism.

“I kissed a girl and I liked it, the taste of her cherry chapstick,” she sang out, rubbing her bottom up the leg of rocker Lenny Kravitz, who joined her on the song. “I kissed a girl just to try it/I hope my boyfriend don’t mind it/It felt so wrong, it felt so right/Don’t mean I’m in love tonight/I kissed a girl and I liked it.”

Perry was brought up to avoid secular music and television programs. She began singing as a Contemporary Christian artist at age 15, and released her first national album in 2001.

“He’ll prevail in the midst of all my sin and temptations,” Perry, then known as Katy Hudson, sang out on the song “Faith Won’t Fail,” featured on her self-titled debut album.

Perry TweetIn an interview with CCM (Contemporary Christian Music Magazine), she stated that one her musical influences was Keith Green, who was known to be bold in his lyrical witness for Christ.

However, in 2007, Perry signed with with the secular label Capitol Records, and released her first single, “I Kissed a Girl,” which rose to the number one position on the secular pop charts. The popularity of Perry’s single brought continued national attention until she became one of the most well-known pop artists in the secular music industry. She later announced that she no longer professed to be a Christian.

“I don’t believe in a Heaven or a Hell, or an old man sitting on a throne,” Perry told Marie Claire Magazine in 2013. “I’m not Buddhist, I’m not Hindu, I’m not Christian, but I still feel like I have a deep connection with God.”

Her parents have stated that they do not agree with all the choices that their daughter has made during her career.

In a book proposal by Perry’s mother, which was shopped in 2011, Mary Hudson reportedly outlined a number of concerns to set the record straight about her feelings.

“I recognized the psalmist gift in her performance. Yet she sang out, ‘I kissed a girl, and I liked it,’ while thousands joined her,” she wrote. “One part of my heart soared … [but] the other part broke for the thousands of hungry souls being fed something that didn’t nourish their spirit, but fed their flesh.”

Hudson said that did not like the song because it “promotes homosexuality and its message is shameful and disgusting.”

Keith Hudson, who leads Keith Hudson Ministries alongside his wife, and attends Jentezen Franklin’s Free Chapel in Orange County, Calif., has been double-minded about the matter.

“I love my daughter and I will always love her. Stop being judgmental and critical,” he said in 2012, choking back tears. “Do not close the doors to your loved ones, especially your children. Just because they do not like what you do or what you are, they are still praying that you stay in the race. They are counting on you.”

“God has given us a platform to go in and meet people—and they like us because we are cool,” Hudson stated. “We are not threatening.”

But in 2013, he reportedly referred to Perry as a “devil child” and requested prayer for his daughter.

“[People] ask: How I can preach if I produce a girl who sang about kissing another girl?” he said during a speaking engagement in Santa Fe, Calif.

“I was at a concert of Katy’s where there were 20,000. I’m watching this generation and they were going at it. It almost looked like church,” Hudson continued. “I stood there and wept and kept on weeping and weeping. They’re loving and worshiping the wrong thing.”

This past week, Hudson stated that he was going to the Super Bowl to watch his daughter, stating that she was going to “do some good” songs, and that he is “always proud” of her.

“An end-time messenger, the Lord uses Keith to expose and dispel spiritual lethargy, urging and exhorting ministers and laymen alike,” reads the bio of Hudson’s ministry website. “The Holy Spirit rends hearts and causes God’s people to once again consider their ways and turn away from self, sin and distractions and back to the Lord. … Keith demonstrates how to yield and surrender to the Lord through a life of holy obedience.”

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  • Oboehner

    Disgusting on so many levels.

    • Spoob

      You absolutely are, but fortunately we have come to expect it from Christian fundamentalists.

  • Matthew 7 – “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

    The Christians who repeatedly use their measure and judgment to attack, condemn, persecute, and reject gay people with are now being measured and judged by their same standards, and are found to have fallen far short, and are shown to be full of religious hypocrisy. They have been found to be exactly as the people in Matthew 23:28 describe them. Since they took it upon themselves to judge and measure others in clear defiance of what the Bible teaches ‘not’ to do, they have thus brought the same judgment back upon themselves as the Bible says will happen in such situations.

    Now, here are my questions to every Christian who repeatedly commits the sin listed above:

    Where in the Bible does it say it’s okay to repeatedly and unrepentantly ignore and disobey the teachings from Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and in 1 Timothy 2:11-12 as most Christians do today?

    Where in the Bible does it say it’s okay to repeatedly and unrepentantly ignore and disobey the 7th Commandment, as defined by Luke 16:18 as most Christians do today?

    Why is it that almost all churches openly welcome into their congregations the following people who have committed the following unrepentant sin (as defined by Biblical Scripture), while rejecting and condemning ‘unrepentant’ homosexuals? Unrepentant, because so many keep divorcing and re-marrying with no rejection or negative consequences by their congregations, such as is done to homosexual people. Is there a place in the Bible where it says you can ignore the sin of people repeatedly committing adultery as defined by the Bible below, but the same people and churches who ignore that sin can repeatedly attack, condemn, and reject gay people for their perceived sins? For some strange reason, no one is able to answer these questions…. unless of course, it is because they are practicing utter religious hypocrisy.

    Exodus 20:14 (One of the 10 Commandments)

    “You shall not commit adultery.”

    Luke 16:18

    “Any man who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9

    “Do you not know that unrighteous men will not inherit the kingdom of God? Cherish no delusion here. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor any who are guilty of unnatural crime.”

    So many Christians try to rationalize this but it is clear that a true follower of Jesus can neither divorce someone if the spouse has not committed adultery, nor marry someone who is divorced without becoming an adulterer themselves.There is an exception to the rule, however. If a spouse commits adultery, divorce is permissible. On the same token, the Bible also says that anyone who obtains a divorce and marries another is an adulterer. Remember that 83% of this country identifies as Christian yet we have a 50% divorce rate for first marriages, a 67% divorce rate for 2nd marriages, and a 73% divorce rate for 3rd marriages and beyond.. A majority of divorces are a result of irreconcilable differences, not adultery,which shows that such Christians are again practicing selective morality. How many Christians are working on a second, third or fourth marriage?

    On the following subject of religious hypocrisy and double-standards, I’m completely aware that for most modern-day churches the following teachings are completely inconvenient and most might say, not applicable to an enlightened, modern society. Still…. why is it that almost all Churches do not obey the following New Testament teachings, and ignore them? Where in the Bible does it say it’s okay to ignore these commands?

    1 Corinthians 14:34-35

    “Women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.…”

    1 Timothy 2:11-12

    “A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.”

    It quite clearly says that an adulterer cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and yet the majority of modern day congregations are all adulterers by the Bible’s clear definition, and the majority of modern day congregations allow their women members to speak anytime they wish to in church, even though the Bible clearly says in the New Testament that that’s forbidden. So… Please educate me on why the examples of sin, commandments, and teachings listed above can be ignored, while the sin of homosexual love and desire, cannot be… unless of course, it’s pure moral and gross hypocrisy upon their part.

    Such Christians as stated above are guilty of being just like the Pharisees, using scripture as a weapon to persecute and reject others over how God created them and who they love, while ignoring every teaching and command that is inconvenient for them to follow. The following teachings that they ignore every day while thinking they are condemning those who disagree or who question their actions to hell, highlights their moral hypocrisy quite well.

    Matthew 5:43-48

    You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you only love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?

    Romans 13:9

    For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

    James 2:14-17

    What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    1 Corinthians 13:1-2

    If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not show love to others, I am merely a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not show love to others, I am nothing.…

    Matthew 22:36-40

    “Teacher, what is the most important commandment in the Law?” He replied, “You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your being, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second most important commandment is like it: You must love your neighbor as you love yourself. All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commands.”

    Matthew 23-4

    “They (the Pharisees both ancient and modern) crush other people with unbearable religious demands and yet themselves never lift a finger to ease the burden.”

    Matthew 18:21-22

    “Then Peter came and said to Him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven!”

    Matthew 23:13

    “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.”

    Matthew 23: 15

    “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!”

    1 Timothy 4:1-4

    “But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.” For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude.

    We can see that happening today from people whose consciences have been totally seared away, and who have no care or feeling whatsoever as to the spiritual and emotional pain and torment they cause gay people with their prejudice and rejection, many times to the point of suicide, or the teachings they spread that today are being used as justification to beat, imprison, and murder gay people in Uganda and many other places around the world. We can see such people today with unholy zeal attempting to forbid marriage to gay people as well, just as was prophesied while they reject instead of receiving with gratitude the unique way that God created gay people.

    It is truly horrific and goes against all teachings of Christ to Love and accept one another as God created us, but the demons are surely delighted by so much hatred, persecution, and murder engendered through their false and hateful teachings.

    • pjwung

      When does a comment become a book synopsis? The judgment exhortation has become cliché these days because this culture rejects accountability. The word judgment in the scriptures refers to the misguided intent of another in determining a person’s value as reflected by the measure of the love and valuation of God for any individual. It does not preclude nor refer to the assessment of a person’s behaviors and attitudes that are in direct opposition to the holiness of the Creator as clearly proscribed in the Holy Scriptures. In fact, the believer has a clear responsibility to redirect a Christian brother and or sister toward the righteousness of the Creator – indeed is bound to do so. However, the world society today desires to live in accordance to its own proclivities and appetites regardless of that higher calling that is required of us all by the very Holy nature of the Divine Creator as the Godhead of the Holy Trinity. We may spin HIs Word and His Commandments as the more debased of human nature would have it however in the final determination it will be God’s own love that will judge each one of us in accordance to His eternal truth as put forth in His Eternal Word.

      • Sarah

        “the believer has a clear responsibility to redirect a Christian brother and or sister toward the righteousness of the Creator – indeed is bound to do so” YES! Well said!

        • Hi Sarah,

          I agree with you on that which is why I have attempted to redirect the Christians who are full of hatred, rejection, and condemnation towards people over how God created them and who they love.. towards the righteousness of the Creator. Indeed, I am bound to do so.

          • Sarah

            How about redirecting the ungodly to Christ?.

          • That’s what I attempt to do as such people I described above are acting in a most ungodly manner… simply look at the unholy joy of 9 ‘likes’ to the unloving and un-Christian comment directly below this one..

          • Spoob

            I for one appreciate your words and message. I hope you will not be driven off this forum because of hate and intolerance. People have the right to hear a positive message of love and acceptance.

          • The moderators are already not allowing me to post even one Bible verse from the book of Matthew. They are being dishonest and attempting to shut out truth from a fellow Christian.

          • Spoob

            Be careful what you say about this site, I know someone who lost access for complaining about the anti-Catholic stories they often post here.

          • I know… it doesn’t bother me for the Truth on this matter has already spread beyond their control to stifle it. That said, here is much truth I have to share with you, and on more than just the following subject. Please save it before they delete it and Christ bless you:


          • Spoob

            Thank you. I will read it, and continue to combat Christian hate and bullying.

          • Thank ‘you’ and hoping you have an awesome day!! 🙂

          • Fundisi

            Once again you failed miserably, you are trying to force a sexual relationship between Naomi and Ruth, wherein there is not a single word to even hint at a sexual relationship. Your trying to imply a Hebrew Word – dabaq means something it is not intended to mean, it does not mean anything sexual in either that passage. In Genesis, it only means to abide with, walk along with, “a cordial affection, taking care of her, nourishing and cherishing her,
            providing all things comfortable for her, continuing to live with her,
            and not depart from her as long as they live” and Ruth, “hung about her, would not part from her, but cleaved unto her; forsaking her own people, and her father’s house; neither the
            thought of them, nor of her native country.” Yet you falsely, blasphemously try and imply it means a sexual union/relationship, while there is nothing in the text whatsoever that implies lesbianism.

            You have deliberately twisted God’s Word to defend what is indefensible. Where is a single word that implies a lesbian relationship? None! Yours is a doctrine of demons, a most damnable lie. Further, you cannot answer why God so strongly condemns all sexual immorality, including Lesbianism and homosexuality. You are self deceived.

          • We’ll just have to agree to disagree on who has twisted God’s word and failed miserably.

          • jmichael39

            No, we don’t have to agree to disagree. Defend your position with proper exegesis and hermeneutics or continue find yourself on the end of the argument where the only people who support you are unbelievers and antagonists.

          • Spoob

            You are inspiring. I hope so many of the “Christians” here so consumed with hatred of homosexuals will take your loving words to heart.

          • Thank you so much!!! I truly hope some seeds of Goodness will sprout amongst so much hatred here.

          • Spoob

            Please don’t let yourself be bullied off this forum. They will do their best to get you to leave, trust me, I am hated worse than poison here, but I don’t care, I stand up for what is right.

          • Gary

            No, you don’t. You hate what is right. You promote filth and evil and reprobation.

          • Spoob

            All anybody needs to know Gary is that you want to kill people in the name of your religion, and I don’t. That is the full story right there.

          • Gary

            No, not the full story.

          • Spoob

            It is all anyone needs to know about you.

          • Gary

            Opinions vary.

          • Spoob

            Is that a fact? Well, I don’t want to know anyone who thinks the way you do, and it’s ludicrous to suggest you – or they – are anything remotely resembling a Christian.

          • Gary

            Said the Hell-bound infidel. People who promote sin while claiming to be a “Christian” are the bottom of the barrel. I look forward to you receiving what you deserve.

          • Spoob


          • jmichael39

            as much as I will not agree with most anything you say, Spoob, I want you to know that what Gary espouses and his attitude towards this subject is NOT accepted by the vast majority of Christians. While most of us consider homosexuality a sin…as any other sin…we do not call for the eradication of anyone or rejoice in the eternal consequences for any person’s sins. While I agree with Aaron’s call for Christians to treat all sin equally, I do not agree with him trying to justify any sin as a result of the Church having wrongly accepted other sins. All sin should be treated as exactly what it is…something that comes between us and our God…and thus should be dealt with accordingly.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Is this another indication that you are aware of Gary’s beliefs? It is astounding why you are playing a game of technicalities in the other article comments by pretending Gary does not believe it if the comments do not appear in a specific thread.

          • jmichael39




            Gary’s comments were not even a part of this thread. I literally had to go search them out to find out what they were. AND I rejected them as being unbiblical…both openly and TO HIM. So what the HELL is your problem. Now, if you’d like to return to the essence of my ORIGINAL post in THIS thread, feel free to do so. Until then, piss off.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            jmichael39: “Now, if you’d like to return to the essence of my ORIGINAL post in THIS thread, feel free to do so”

            I have already addressed that. My response concerning your interjection was that you totally misunderstood the meaning of my post by acting as if I was the one that was advocating execution.

            What you said about God exacting the penalty of death in due time was precisely the point I was beginning to make to Gary. As to why you missed this and have been going on a tirade based upon that misunderstanding is anyone’s guess. Pride seems to be at its root.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            jmichael39: “So what the HELL is your problem … Until then, piss off.”

            Your christlike character and moral superiority over the rest of us carnal “psuedo-intellectuals” and “morons” is SO evident in these kinds of responses. This is to say nothing of your thick-skulled obstinacy and pride.

          • Spoob

            Your attitude towards homosexuals leaves you in the Stone Age. All it takes is a single chat with a homosexual to know they have no interest in rebelling against God and they are not looking to upset anyone. The only people they can fall in love with are peoe of the same gender. They are simply wired backwards from the rest of us. It is not sin.

          • jmichael39

            Well, sorry to tell you, but you’ll have to talk to God about that. He’s the one who has identified homosexual behavior as sin. And unless or until you can show us where He has changed His mind about what is and is not sin, then you’ll have to deal with Him over this.

            As I’ve said, my job is not press the execution button on any sinner…but to show them that God has other plans for them.

            As for the “wired backwards” comment…we’re ALL wired backwards. We’re all tainted by the sinful nature of our descendants. We were all born with the Adamic nature that rejects God…even though you don’t think that’s the case, again you’ll have to talk to God, because that’s how HE describes it. We’re all born with a bent towards one type of sin or another….lying, cheating, homosexuality, violence, whatever…but thank God that He sent His Son to open the path to restore our “wiring’.

            The problem with the way people like you think is that you think that God should just accept us as we are. And in some ways, He did. He didn’t ask us to change a thing before He chose to show His love by sending His Son. But He did so, because He WON’T accept the sin along with us. He opened the path to a restored life with Him. So, if those people aren’t really “rebelling against God”, they should have no trouble trusting Him to help them give up what IS rebellion against Him, whether they want it to be rebellion or not. Whether its lying….additions….infidelity…worshipping other gods…homosexuality…hate…murder…etc.

          • Choanito

            You look forward to that? Forward to someone being bound to hell? You sir sound like the infidel.

          • jmichael39

            Respectfully, Gary, you need to know that your views on this are not biblical. There is no justification for us executing homosexuals. While they, along with any and all unredeemed sinners, will face eternal death, we are not obligated by anything in Scripture to carry out the killing of the bodies of any sinners. In fact, we are called to bring them to salvation. Your attitude towards homosexuals (endorsing the execution of them)…and those who wrongly support their sins (“I look forward to you receiving what you deserve”) is directly contradictory to the Great Commission. You have every obligation by that commission to bring the GOOD news of Christ’s redemption to those who are lost. You don’t have to be gleeful when they end up in hell….for frankly, with an attitude like yours, you may end up there with them.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Again, why do you fail to realize that I was beginning to say much the same thing to Gary in the discussion you blundered into and began to accuse me of all sorts of ridiculous things?

          • pjwung

            btw aa again it is not hatred but rather exhortation that this grieves the truth of the Holy Spirit. In fact, aa I don’t know you and never will so why should I lie if I say to you in all honestly that I have disliked people in my life but cannot recall nor know what it feels like to actually hate someone – can honestly say that I have never felt that toward anyone – it just comes right back at a person and I do not care to feel that sort of pain – you can call me a liar but why should I lie to you because I do not know you and vis -a-vis and never will in this life -I have never hated another human being in my life – dislike – yes hate – have never experienced hate fortunately.. if I did I would clearly confess to that but it would not be true – I do not hate you or anyone else for any reason and certainly not because of their sexual proclivities or practices. However, this practice defies the very Spirit of the Holy Scriptures. Blessings to all.

          • Oh no pjwung… it is true demonic hatred.. I stake my soul upon it for I have already died and have been reborn.

          • James Grimes

            Aaron, you’re back.

          • Hello James, why yes… I am.

          • James Grimes

            OK. I’m not going to say anything about it. Try not to be involved in the issues that you were involved in last time.

          • James… I’ll be involved with any issue I desire to be.. I completely realize you hate free thought, expression, and truth, but such as you, have no control over me. I suggest you spin in your hatred, bigotry, falsehood, and evil for as long as you wish to.. but I will continue to speak the Truth and champion the side of Good.

          • James Grimes

            OK, then. Once you have crossed the line in this forum’s standards of behavior, I will then report you as having been previously banned. You have made it easy.

          • God bless you and your sincere Christian love James!!

          • pjwung

            Spoob, do you feel that St. Paul was a hater Remember that the Bible is a unity and whomever the Spirit spoke through would also be affirmed by Jesus? Therefore if you accept St. Paul’s writings as revealed scripture then you must assume that Jesus would agree completely with the Holy Spirit since Jesus is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. The other option would be if you feel that St. Paul was a “homophobe” – you can’t have it both ways. What then do you make of the truth of Romans – “God therefore allowed them to go their own way, until they ended up as victims of their own dishonourable passions. Their women substituted unnatural intercourse with each other for natural intercourse with men. In the same way, men abandoned natural intercourse with women, and were inflamed with passion for each other. Men perpetrated shameless things with men, and brought on themselves the inevitable consequences which such misguided conduct was bound to bring.” (1:26-27) Not my opinion Spoob – you can’t have it both ways..?

          • caskinner

            Don’t think because someone disagrees with a homosexuals lifestyle that they hate them. That is an old tired accusation. You can disagree with someone and not hate them. Honestly.

          • That’s strange. ‘I’ disagree with some people on here and am then called a troll and a devil. Even though a ‘troll’ would be blanketing all the articles, and I’m not, and I’m not the devil.. As you can see by the hateful comments made towards me here, it’s not ‘tired’ at all, but the unfortunate truth.

          • caskinner

            Well what can I say. Some people can be hateful but I believe most are not.

          • jmichael39

            and you are bound to do so with fear and humility. I would not hesitate to suggest that no one here who reads your posts senses an iota of either. Fix the log in your own eye first.

          • I would, but the beam in your own eye sticks out so far and gets in everyone’s way that I can’t even reach it.

          • jmichael39

            Sure, you first, Aaron. Show us how its done. And I’ll be glad to follow suit.

          • By your words here I don’t think it’s possible for you to do so..

          • jmichael39

            Show us how its done, Aaron. Come on. Be a leader.

          • Nah… you first… show us how it’s done. 🙂

          • jmichael39

            You’re a fraud, Aaron. You’re so willing to spit on Christians for our flaws, but can’t begin to even acknowledge that God would even consider homosexuality to be a sin. You have no argument. Sin is sin. While people like “Gary” and his gleeful attitude at seeing homosexuals burn in hell are disgusting and out of touch with our Commission from Christ, you’re worse, because while you spew hatred at Christians for “judging”, you’re doing the very thing you supposedly hate. You’re a hypocrite, Aaron. And worse yet, a self-righteous hypocrite.

          • I knew you’d reveal your true nature given a little time. Many entire denominations now know God only prohibits homosexual behavior within a pagan, abusive, or promiscuous setting.. ‘not’ within a monogamous committed union of love. People like you ‘desire’ it to be a sin… not because God says so, but because of your innate prejudice. … while you ignore all other sins that are inconvenient to you. You are the fraud here, and you’ll have that huge beam sticking in your eye for most of your life most likely, as you sit in false judgement against all those you don’t understand or have prejudice against. You and all like you are the ‘true’ self-righteous hypocrites.

          • jmichael39

            Before you delve headlong into something like this, Aaron, please know that I’m more than proficient in my understanding of ancient Hebrew, Koine Greek, hermeneutics, exegesis, theology and customs and culture of the ancient Middle East.

            While your views on the biblical exegesis on homosexuality are quaint they fail on many levels.

            1) the words in Greek and Hebrew which we now translate as homosexuality are also translated a fornication for a very very understandable reason. Until the 1800s there wasn’t even an English word “homosexual”. Ancient terms for what we call homosexuality were always associated with the idea of marriage between two non-married individuals. The problem with interpreting that to mean that all God wants then is for those two men or two women to marry is that God never offered such an option. Every version of marriage in the Bible is between a man and a woman. You can try to interpret the absence of Him saying no to that kind of marriage and tacit acceptance of it, but that would be extremely poor exegesis.

            2) It does NOT take ‘desire’ on my part for anything to be considered a sin. God was quite clear about any form of man/man or woman/woman sexual activity. Unless and until you can affirm biblical acceptance of a man/man or woman/woman marriage, your entire argument is moot. Every and all times in the Bible where man/man or woman/woman sexual activity is addressed, it is condemned. You can try to argue that its because man/man and woman/woman marriage was never culturally accepted and thus condemned as premarital in nature but you’d also have to show some semblance of biblical proof that God stood in opposition to that cultural more. It honest takes “desire” on your part for it NOT to be considered sin.

            3) “while you ignore all other sins that are inconvenient to you” – You don’t know squat about how I view other sins. Actually I take that back since I have, on numerous occasions on this site, expressed my views that homosexual sin is no different than any other sin and all must be addressed. While I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you may have never read those posts, you clearly don’t have the ability to extend the same courtesy.

            Yet again, you stand in judgment of someone with false and unsubstantiated accusations, while self-righteously condemning others of doing what you seem to be the only one doing (other than those like Gary).

          • Then you should realize the falsehood of your position on this if you know the original koine Greek words on this subject. Unfortunately the moderators here do not allow me to post the detailed breakdown of them which shows the lack of any foundation to your beliefs on this, but it is why so many entire denominations have gone through the difficult process of admitting that they had followed a lie on this issue, as you still do.

          • jmichael39

            Oh do share…I’m sure the moderators are perfectly happy letting you write long posts. I would be quite interested in seeing you share something that I’ve not already seen and seen refuted. But please go for it.

          • Oh… I would ‘SO’ do so… except I’ve already learned that they do not allow me to do so. When I attempt to do just that, it says: “Waiting for moderators to approve”.. and yet, they never ‘approve’.

          • jmichael39

            BS, and you know it. I post elongated posts all the time. You merely were ridiculed by someone for writing something so long-winded. Get used to it. It happens. Make your case or get lost.

          • No, it isn’t, but you can keep fooling yourself all you want.

            That said, here’s everything that refutes what you say: http://forum.bible-discussion.com/showthread.php?33950-A-Biblical-verse-on-accepting-our-gay-brethren

          • No, it isn’t, but you can keep fooling yourself all you want.

            That said, here’s everything that refutes what you say:


          • R.A.

            It’s probably flagging some words. I know I had to do some test posts with words to see if they’d get flagged for moderation. If you can figure out the words the program is flagging, you might be able to use different terminology to get your point across. Annoying, but a work around.

          • Hi R.A., Good point and thank you!

          • jmichael39

            that’s a crock of bs, Aaron. Present your argument. I can only hope you’re not foolish enough to use the same old arguments that have been refuted a thousand times over.

          • The crock of ‘bs’ is your pure Satanic evil jmichael… my argument cannot be presented to the fullest since the moderators here do not allow me to post scripture and detail on this subject, highlighting the falseness of your mistranslated ‘doctrine’…

            Regardless… you and others like you, are on the side of demons… gloat as much as you desire. I guarantee you that when you finally meet your Maker, you will be called to task, for the rejection, prejudice, and hatred you have met out to people who were born gay.

          • jmichael39

            Again, BS….post and see for yourself. Just admit it, you have no argument. Everything you could ever present would be purely wishful thinking and extremely poor exegesis. But you’re too CS to make an argument.

          • Sarah

            “God only prohibits homosexual behavior within a pagan, abusive, or promiscuous setting.. ‘not’ within a monogamous committed union of love” Where in the Bible did you read that?
            I have only found God against homosexual behavior ie…
            Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

          • Sarah.. I’m so sorry you’re so misled… if you’re not already in a cult that does all your thinking for you.. you might as well join one.

          • Sarah

            What the hey!?!? I am trying to learn from you and you now get mean? Fine don’t answer my question, it just shows that you are the one misleading because you get defensive and wont answer.

          • Really?? That’s so strange that I didn’t get the feeling from you that you truly wanted to learn… but that rather, you were piling onto all the other demonic statements here of hatred and condemnation towards me, and all others that disagreed with you… If I’m somehow mistaken on that… then simply go to this link, and ‘truly’ began to learn from me: https://aaglaas.wordpress.com/2015/01/29/homosexuality-doesnt-destroy-civilization-religious-fanatics-do/

      • I find that today people seem to find reading difficult and don’t seem to like detailed analysis backed up by many facts.. especially when it addresses their own sins.

        That said, to sum it briefly for you it was a rebuke to the Christians who commit the sin of judgement above.

        • Michael Stevens

          So then, if in love a Christian person talks to a homosexual about their lifestyle and is trying to get them to understand that God finds it an abomination, and like all other unrepentant sin, it will meet with eternal damnation…

          …and that person trying to love on the homosexual to guide away from sin, is then hammered with the cliche of ‘judgment’, or is called homophobic or whatever, or like you above…called a hater and full of rejection and condemnation, when they are trying to help someone….

          Do YOU then jump in and defend the Christian? or do you stick with the homosexual mantra of cliched name calling in an effort to shame and silence those who would dare to call homosexuality a sin?

          • We’ll just have to agree to disagree that gay people are not being beaten, imprisoned, murdered, and burned alive right as I type this because of definite hatred by Christians.

            Op-Ed- ‘How anti-gay Christians evangelize hate abroad’, by Kapya Kaoma. Rev. Kaoma is an Anglican priest

            If you live in the United States, it’s easy to be lulled into thinking that the battle for broader civil rights for gay people is nearly over. The last few years have brought important victories in courts, legislatures and at the ballot box, and momentum is firmly on the side of increased equality.

            That’s not true, however, in other parts of the world. The hateful vitriol that has fueled U.S. culture wars for so long is now being exported, and some of our most ardent culture warriors are finding a far more receptive audience abroad.

            The people of Uganda, Nigeria, Russia and elsewhere are leading their own struggles for human rights. Their fight is difficult enough without campaigns of vilification designed by American preachers who distort the meaning of the Gospels to justify the criminalization , and even murder, of innocents.

            In nations such as these, an insidious homophobia engineered in America is taking root. I have seen this hate being spread with my own eyes. People who are gay, or suspected of being gay are being rounded up, beaten, murdered, and even burned to death by ‘Christian’ mobs who have learned such hatred from preachers and pastors in the U.S., who have exported such teachings abroad.

            In March 2009, while in Kampala, Uganda, researching reports of U.S. right-wing evangelical involvement in attacks on LGBTQ equality and reproductive justice, I was invited to a three-day conference on homosexuality hosted by the Family Life Network, which is based in New York. The keynote speaker was Scott Lively from Springfield, Mass., who introduced himself as a leading expert on the “international homosexual agenda.” I filmed Lively over the course of two days as he instructed religious and political leaders about how gays were coming to Uganda from the West to “recruit children into homosexuality.”

            Some of his assertions would have been laughable had he not been so deadly serious. He claimed that a gay clique that included Adolf Hitler was behind the Holocaust, and he insinuated that gay people fueled the Rwandan genocide.

            In the United States, Lively is widely dismissed as an anti-gay firebrand and Holocaust revisionist. But in Uganda, he was presented — and accepted — as a leading international authority. The public persecution of LGBTQ people escalated after Lively’s conference, with one local newspaper publishing the pictures and addresses of activists under the headline, “Hang Them.”

            Lively was also invited to private briefings with political and religious leaders, and to address the Ugandan parliament during his 2009 visit. The next month, Ugandan lawmaker David Bahati unveiled his Anti-Homosexuality Bill, which in its original form called for the death penalty as punishment for a new crime of “aggravated homosexuality.”

            In recent years, millions of dollars have been funneled from anti-LGBTQ evangelical conservatives to Uganda, funding local pastors and training them to adopt and mirror the culture-war language of the U.S. Christian right. Bahati and a notorious anti-gay pastor, Martin Ssempa, were personally mentored by U.S. conservatives. And powerful Christian right organizations such as the Family Research Council lobbied Congress to change a resolution denouncing the Uganda legislation.

            Other prominent right-wing evangelicals have also made Uganda appearances, including California’s Rick Warren and Lou Engle, who founded TheCall ministry. They met with politicians, hosted rallies and public meetings, and used their influence and credibility to contribute to a culture war in Uganda much more intense and explosive than anything seen in the United States; Lively himself described the work as a “nuclear bomb” in Uganda.

            In December, the Ugandan parliament finally passed the Anti-Homosexuality Bill, and last month President Yoweri Museveni signed it into law. The death penalty provision was removed, but the law includes life sentences for homosexual “repeat offenders” and criminalizes advocacy on behalf of LGBTQ Ugandans.

            Uganda has deservedly received widespread attention, but it’s not the only country with a culture war that carries the fingerprints of U.S. campaigners. Nigeria has passed a bill almost identical to Uganda’s, and Cameroon and Zambia are enthusiastically imprisoning LGBTQ people.

            And let’s not forget Russia. In 2007, Lively traveled throughout Russia to, as he put it, bring a warning about the “homosexual political movement.” He urged Russians, among other things, “to criminalize the public advocacy of homosexuality.” Last year, President Vladimir Putin signed a bill into law that criminalizes distribution of “gay propaganda” to minors, including any material that “equates the social value of traditional and nontraditional sexual relations.” In Russia, because of this law, gay people are being beaten and even murdered now, with no response from the authorities.

          • KenS

            If what you are saying is truly happening abroad, this is a tragedy. But I can tell you with the utmost surety, that a true Christian Pastor would not be preaching on hating and killing gays, but rather on loving the sinners and hating the sin, and that is any sin, not just the sin of homosexuality.

          • jmichael39

            While nothing those people are doing abroad are right…NOTHING you’ve presented here justifies the sin of homosexuality. All you ever do is seemingly try to justify the sin of homosexuality by pointing out the sins of those who even call homosexuality sin.
            If it were possible, I would dare you to look God in the eye and tell HIM He’s hateful for sending any unrepentant homosexual to hell for eternity. Tell Him He’s wrong. Point out to Him where He didn’t say homosexual behavior is wrong in His Word.
            But, you can be thankful, for now, that you don’t have the opportunity to do that. But you will.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            And THAT is the best question I have heard all night! Well-said, Sir! You have called him out perfectly!

        • pjwung

          In response to your comment – this is a forum not a Congressional Hearing with regard to “people seem to find reading difficult.” The idea is to get to the point and then get off for the next guy or gal..simple!!

          • That’s ridiculous as that would mean you wouldn’t have been able to read the original article as it’s almost as long. You simply don’t like to be faced with facts that are undesirable for you.

      • KenS

        The biggest difference here is the gay person who is trying to still live that gay lifestyle and continue to live as a christian is not repented of said sin; whereas, the divorced person would have already asked for forgiveness for said sin. Paul’s teachings are quite clear on this, you are not to divorce your new spouse and go back to the old one to fix the sin, you are to repent of the sin and love your new spouse as Christ loved the Church. Also, the speaking in church for the women means that the woman is not to be a Pastor, hence, ” do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” Just speaking to address the congregation about a ladies meeting, etc, or teaching sunday school is not having authority over a man, but being a pastor is. Therefore; the church I attend does not allow a woman to be a pastor, nor a divorced man to be a pastor or deacon because the epistle to Timothy gives us the qualifications of a pastor and deacon and one of them is to be a husband of one wife.

      • Patricia

        i LOVE your comment. i will quote it in the future!

        • Let’s all watch short Sponge Bob cartoons instead of dwelling in depth upon a subject we’re uncomfortable dealing with!!! Love it!! 🙂

      • James Grimes

        Matthew 7 : 1 is the most used, and abused, by those who do not understand God’s Word. It is taken out of context to make an invalid point. As Christians, we are to judge righteously and since the Bible does condemn certain behavior, we are called on to denounce those behaviors. We, therefore, are condemning the behavior and leave the doer’s judgment to God.

        Those who are caught up in this sinful behavior will, of course, disavow the sinfulness of what they do.

    • pjwung

      The creation of marriage is recorded in Genesis 2:23-24: “The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called “woman,” for she was taken out of man.’ For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and wiil become one flesh.” God created man and then made woman to complement him. Marriage is God’s “fix” for the fact that “it is not good for the man to be alone” (Genesis 2:18).

      Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/marriage-Bible.html#ixzz3Qhp89jOE
      This scripture originates at about 1400 BCE – therefore this is not my opinion – You will have to take it to a higher court of appeals my friend. You see “It is what it is” There is no hostility or hate here just dispassionate scriptural authority – certainly not my idea..! By this authority aaglass your argument clearly fails.

      • Sorry, but you’re mistaken about marriage in the Bible. For example, as often as polygamy is recorded in Scripture, it is quite amazing how the Lord never condemns the practice. Both wicked men and righteous men were polygamous, and the Lord called neither to repent of it.

        Sometimes, people are indeed honest enough to admit that the Bible
        really does not prohibit polygamy (polygyny). However, as a hedge against that admission, such ones may then resort to saying one of the following assertions:

        “Yes, but God never condoned polygamy.”

        “Yes, God allowed it, but He was against polygamy.”

        “Polygamy was only man’s idea, not God’s”.

        “Yes, but God never approved of polygamy.”

        The passage involving 2 Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals otherwise.

        “I also gave you your master’s house and your master’s wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these!” -2 Samuel 12:8.

        The context of the verse is that of God, speaking through a prophet
        (Nathan), calling out David for David’s sin of taking another man’s wife
        (Bathsheba, wife of Uriah the Hittite), which is adultery indeed, and for setting up the death of Uriah the Hittite to try to hide David’s sin. Also, at the point in time of this situation, David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1_Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43,
        2_Samuel 3:2-5.)

        In verse 12 God was not condemning David for all his wives. In fact, verse 12 shows God Himself actually saying that HE was the One Who had GIVEN David His wives.

        If God was against David’s polygamy, He certainly would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives.

        But the LORD did not stop there. Verse 12 shows that the Lord took it even one step further than that. The LORD God went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives, the Lord Himself said that He would have given David even more.

        Lamech practiced polygyny (Genesis 4:19). Abraham likewise had more than one wife (Genesis 16:3-4; 25:6 “concubines”). Nahor, Abraham’s brother, had both a wife and a concubine (Genesis 11:29; 22:20-24). Jacob was tricked into polygamy (Genesis 29:20-30), yet later he received two additional wives making a grand total of four wives (Genesis 30:4, 9). Esau took on a third wife hoping it might please his father Isaac (Genesis 28:6-9). Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives (1 Chronicles 4:5). Michael, Obadiah, Joel, Ishiah, and those with them “had many wives” (1 Chronicles 7:3-4). Shaharaim had at least four wives, two of which he “sent away” (1 Chronicles 8:8-11). Caleb had two wives (1 Chronicles 2:18) and two concubines (1 Chronicles 2:46, 48). Gideon had many wives (Judges 8:30). Elkanah is recorded as having two wives, one of which was the godly woman Hannah (1 Samuel 1:1-2, 8-2:10).

        David, a man after God’s own heart (1 Samuel 13:14; Acts 13:22), had at least 8 wives and 10 concubines (1 Chronicles 1:1-9; 2 Samuel 6:23; 20:3). Solomon, who breached both Deuteronomy 7:1-4 and 17:14-17, had 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:1-6). Rehoboam had eighteen wives and sixty concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21), and sought many wives for his sons (1 Chronicles 11:23). Abijah had fourteen wives (2 Chronicles 13:21). Ahab had more than one wife (1 Kings 20:7). Jehoram had wives who were taken captive (2 Chronicles 21:17). Jehoiada the priest gave king Joash two wives (2 Chronicles 24:1-3), and Jehoiachin had more than one wife (2 Kings 24:15). Polygamy is mentioned several times over in the Bible and never once is polygyny condemned.

        Not only is polygamy not forbidden, but God actually gave laws concerning its practice. For example, in Deuteronomy 21 the Lord gave Moses a law regarding a man who had two wives.

        If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the unloved, and if the firstborn son is of her who is unloved, then it shall be, on the day he bequeaths his possessions to his sons, that he must not bestow firstborn status on the son of the loved wife in preference to the son
        of the unloved, the true firstborn. But he shall acknowledge the son of the unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his. (Deuteronomy 21:15-17)

        This law does not condemn the man who has two wives. It simply
        governs how he deals with the offspring.

        • KenS

          God also showed us with these polygamous relationships how much trouble they cause in the men’s lives, he then tells us in the book of Timothy that a pastor or deacon is to have only one wife, this clearly shows that to be a spiritual leader you need to follow his original plan for marriage in his first example which clearly shows the man and wife becoming one flesh, it is harder to become one flesh with a man several wives. God gives us these examples to show us how our families lives can be so complicated and messed up when we do not follow his intended purpose of one husband and one wife.

          • James Grimes

            Very correct in your explanation. Thank you for sharing.

          • April J

            Where does God show us how much trouble homosexual relationships will cause?

        • pjwung

          “Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride [the church] has made herself ready.” – Revelation 19:7 NASB

          Marriage is a reflecttion of Christ’s relationship with the church–one groom (Christ) and one bride (the church).

          Not two Christs marrying (two homosexual men).

          Not two churchs marrying (two homosexual women).

          Not Christ and many churches (polygamy).

          Marriage is ONE man and ONE woman.

          • Josh

            That has to be the most ludicrous thing I’ve read today.

          • pjwung

            Josh do you read much – nay, I didn’t think so…ha

    • Sheryl Harp

      Jesus said: “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck out of your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:1-5).

      If we condemn someone for something we do ourselves, we bring condemnation upon ourselves. “Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?” (Romans 2:1-3). “Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you” (Luke 6:36-38).

      We may not judge in matters of opinion. “Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand” (Romans 14:1-4). “But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God.’ So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way” (Romans 14:10-13).

      We may not judge with insufficient knowledge. Paul wrote: “But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. For I know nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts; and then each one’s praise will come from God” (1 Corinthians 4:3-5).

      We may not take God’s place in judgment: “Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?” (James 4:11,12).

      We may not condemn the guiltless by neglecting mercy: “But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless” (Matthew 12:7).

      We must keep these warnings carefully in mind.

      At the same time “Judge not, that you be not judged” is often the wailing cry of false teachers and hardened sinners who misapply the verse to ward off censure for their evil deeds. Do not be intimidated by such people, for Jesus has commanded us to judge with righteous judgment (John 7:24).

      “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD” (Proverbs 17:15). “And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them” (Ephesians 5:11).

      “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24). This is reminiscent of Leviticus 19:15. “You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor.”

      There is a place for righteous judgment. When Christians persist in sin, they are to be judged by their fellow Christians, as Paul explained to the Corinthians: “I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner — not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore ‘put away from yourselves that wicked person'” (1 Corinthians 5:9-13).

      When Christians come in conflict, some wise man should be found to judge between his brethren: “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren?” (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).

      We may not reserve judgment when faced with clear manifestations of evil. Jesus reprimanded the church at Thyatira: “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and beguile My servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols” (Revelation 2:20). What if false teaching on divorce and remarriage leads God’s people to commit sexual immorality? Will God hold us guiltless if we allow such to be taught, and if we fellowship people Jesus says are committing adultery? (Matthew 5:31,32; 19:9; Mark 10:11,12; Luke 16:18).

      Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.

      “But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us” (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

      “And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother” (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

      “Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself” (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

      “Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple” (Romans 16:17,18).

      All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep’s skin.

      We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so. “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24).

    • Patricia

      in the end, its God word that stands. its not about what party you fit into, what group you socialize with, who cheers you on in sin and who encourages you in righteousness, what church welcomes you and your homosexual lover and what church kicks you out. all that’s going to matter is did you receive the gospel call to repent and glorify God and what you did with THAT opportunity. if anybody is interested in having a relationship with Jesus- not your church group, not your neighborhood community club, not your earthly biological family, not your homies, lovers, and friends- BUT JESUS- then you need to repent and submit to Him today. that’s all that matters in the end.

    • Harry Oh!

      You really are one committed little troll aren’t you? But let me help you out, and I won’t have to write a book to do it. We all sin. Sin is sin. But even though there are people who continually sin that go to Church, their sin is never celebrated or condoned from the pulpit. Never. It is tolerated, but never given mass approval. Instead, there is repentance, asking of forgiveness and hopefully a progression away from it. What you are selling is NOT in the same category as this. Now please go away and find some other nice people to harass!

      • Wow… nice ‘Christian’ words of love… not. Sorry you can’t handle the truth, nor are able to think outside your self-contained little fishbowl of malice, hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

        • Gary

          Are you a homosexual?

    • John_33

      Is there a place in the Bible where it says you can ignore the sin of people repeatedly committing adultery as defined by the Bible below, but the same people and churches who ignore that sin can repeatedly attack, condemn, and reject gay people for their perceived sins? For some strange reason, no one is able to answer these questions…. unless of course, it is because they are practicing utter religious hypocrisy.

      Just because there are rampant sins in so-called churches doesn’t mean that Christians should add yet another sin against God. It makes no sense. Shouldn’t the churches purge themselves of adultery instead of adding gay marriage?

      The Christians who repeatedly use their measure and judgment to attack, condemn, persecute, and reject gay people with are now being measured and judged by their same standards, and are found to have fallen far short, and are shown to be full of religious hypocrisy. They have been found to be exactly as the people in Matthew 23:28 describe them. Since they took it upon themselves to judge and measure others in clear defiance of what the Bible teaches ‘not’ to do, they have thus brought the same judgment back upon themselves as the Bible says will happen in such situations.

      Jesus said to judge righteous judgement in John 8:24 and we are also told that those who are spiritual judge all things yet are they not judged (1 Corinthians 2:15). Matthew 7:1 doesn’t mean “Don’t condemn sin,” it means don’t be a hypocrite. Paul talked about this in greater detail:

      “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.” ~ Romans 2:1-2.

      The judgement of God stands true no matter what men say or do. Even if every church in America stood up and declared adultery to be good, pure, and holy, it wouldn’t be because God has declared it to be sinful. In the same way, if every church in America stood up and declared gay marriage to be good, pure, and holy, it wouldn’t be because God has declared homosexuality to be sinful. Since God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, we know that what God has declared to be sinful for all in the past is and will continue to be sinful.

      It is truly horrific and goes against all teachings of Christ to Love and accept one another as God created us, but the demons are surely delighted by so much hatred, persecution, and murder engendered through their false and hateful teachings.

      Not quite. Nowhere did God call us to accept each other’s sins. In fact, God said that if we love our mother or father or son or daughter more than Him, then we are not worthy of Him (Matthew 10:37). If we put man’s ways above God, then we will forsake God’s ways and go the way of the world. God condemned this and warned us not to love the world or the things in the world. If we did, then the love of the Father is not in us (1 John 2:15-17).

    • Mark Barker

      How about quoting some verses that cannot be twisted to support your claim? Let me help you with that.

      Matthew 19:1-6

      19 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he
      departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

      2 And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

      3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it
      lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

      4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

      5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

      6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

      Colossians 3:5-7

      5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication,
      uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,
      which is idolatry:

      6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

      7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

      Titus 1:16

      16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being
      abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

      Jude 1:4

      4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old
      ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God
      into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus

      Jude 1:7

      7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set
      forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

      Jude 1:19

      19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

      Revelation 21:27

      27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither
      whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are
      written in the Lamb’s book of life.

  • Michael Castner

    Well,alot of secular people dont like christian music either.Lets all live our lives praising a superior being!yeah!

  • caskinner

    It must be very difficult to have people see the child you brought into this world say things and sing about things that go against what God wants for his children. I think she sold her soul to the devil.

    • Sometimes gay people are subjected to what can only be viewed as spiritual and emotional torture. And when they ultimately cannot change who they are, they are often driven away, and wind up abandoning God, falsely believing that He rejected them.

      That said, here is a story to reflect upon by a Christian mother who wishes she knew then, what she knows now, regarding this subject:

      On the night of November 20, 2001, a conversation held over Instant Messenger changed our lives forever. Our twelve year old son messaged me in my office from the computer in his bedroom.

      Ryan says: can i tell u something

      Mom says: Yes I am listening

      Ryan says: well i don’t know how to say this really but, well……, i can’t keep lying to you about myself. I have been hiding this for too long and i sorta have to tell u now. By now u probably have an idea of what i am about to say.

      Ryan says: I am gay

      Ryan says: i can’t believe i just told you

      Mom says: Are you joking?

      Ryan says: no

      Ryan says: i thought you would understand because of uncle don

      Mom says: of course I would

      Mom says: but what makes you think you are?

      Ryan says: i know i am

      Ryan says: i don’t like hannah

      Ryan says: it’s just a cover-up

      Mom says: but that doesn’t make you gay…

      Ryan says: i know

      Ryan says: but u don’t understand

      Ryan says: i am gay

      Mom says: tell me more

      Ryan says: it’s just the way i am and it’s something i know

      Ryan says: u r not a lesbian and u know that. it is the same thing

      Mom says: what do you mean?

      Ryan says: i am just gay

      Ryan says: i am that

      Mom says: I love you no matter what

      Ryan says: i am white not black

      Ryan says: i know

      Ryan says: i am a boy not a girl

      Ryan says: i am attracted to boys not girls

      Ryan says: u know that about yourself and i know this

      Mom says: what about what God thinks about acting on these desires?

      Ryan says: i know

      Mom says: thank you for telling me

      Ryan says: and i am very confused about that right now

      Mom says: I love you more for being honest

      Ryan says: i know

      Ryan says: thanx

      We were completely shocked. Not that we didn’t know and love gay people – my only brother had come out to us several years before, and we adored him. But Ryan? He was unafraid of anything, tough as nails, and ALL boy. We had not seen this coming, and the emotion that overwhelmed us, kept us awake at night and, sadly, influenced all of our reactions over the next six years, was FEAR.

      We said all the things that we thought loving Christian parents who believed the Bible – the Word of God – should say:

      We love you. We will ALWAYS love you. And this is hard. REALLY hard. But we know what God says about this, and so you are going to have to make some really difficult choices.

      We love you. We couldn’t love you more. But there are other men who have faced this same struggle, and God has worked in them to change their desires. We’ll get you their books…you can listen to their testimonies. And we will trust God with this.

      We love you. We are so glad you are our son. But you are young, and your sexual orientation is still developing. The feelings you’ve had for other guys don’t make you gay. So please don’t tell anyone that you ARE gay. You don’t know who you are yet. Your identity is not that you are gay – it is that you are a child of God.

      We love you. Nothing will change that. But if you are going to follow Jesus, holiness is your only option. You are going to have to choose to follow Jesus, no matter what. And since you know what the Bible says, and since you want to follow God, embracing your sexuality is NOT an option.

      We thought we understood the magnitude of the sacrifice that we – and God – were asking for. And this sacrifice, we knew, would lead to the abundant life, perfect peace and eternal rewards. Ryan had always felt intensely drawn to spiritual things; He desired to please God above all else. So, for the first six years, he tried to choose Jesus.

      Like so many others before him, he pleaded with God to help him be attracted to girls. He memorized Scripture, met with his youth pastor weekly, enthusiastically participated in all the church youth group events and Bible Studies and got baptized. He read all the books that claimed to know where his gay feelings came from, dove into counseling to further discover the “why’s” of his unwanted attraction to other guys, worked through painful conflict resolution with my husband and I, and built strong friendships with other guys – straight guys – just like the reparative therapy experts advised. He even came out to his entire youth group, giving his testimony of how God had rescued him from the traps of the enemy, and sharing – by memory – verse after verse that God had used to draw Ryan to Himself.

      But nothing changed. God didn’t answer his prayer – or ours – though we were all believing with faith that the God of the Universe – the God for whom NOTHING is impossible – could easily make Ryan straight. But He did not.

      Though our hearts may have been good (we truly thought what we were doing was loving), we did not even give Ryan a chance to wrestle with God, to figure out what HE believed God was telling him through scripture about his sexuality. We had believed firmly in giving each of our four children the space to question Christianity, to decide for themselves if they wanted to follow Jesus, to truly OWN their own faith. But we were too afraid to give Ryan that room when it came to his sexuality, for fear that he’d make the wrong choice.

      Basically, we told our son that he had to choose between Jesus and his sexuality. We forced him to make a choice between God and being a sexual person. Choosing God, practically, meant living a lifetime condemned to being alone. He would never have the chance to fall in love, have his first kiss, hold hands, share intimacy and companionship or experience romance.

      And so, just before his 18th birthday, Ryan, depressed, suicidal, disillusioned and convinced that he would never be able to be loved by God, made a new choice. He decided to throw out his Bible and his faith at the same time, and to try searching for what he desperately wanted – peace – another way. And the way he chose to try first was drugs.

      We had – unintentionally – taught Ryan to hate his sexuality. And since sexuality cannot be separated from the self, we had taught Ryan to hate himself. So as he began to use drugs, he did so with a recklessness and a lack of caution for his own safety that was alarming to everyone who knew him.

      Suddenly our fear of Ryan someday having a boyfriend (a possibility that honestly terrified me) seemed trivial in contrast to our fear of Ryan’s death, especially in light of his recent rejection of Christianity, and his mounting anger at God.

      Ryan started with weed and beer…but in six short months was using cocaine, crack and heroin. He was hooked from the beginning, and his self-loathing and rage at God only fueled his addiction. Shortly after, we lost contact with him. For the next year and a half we didn’t know where he was, or even if he was dead or alive. And during that horrific time, God had our full attention. We stopped praying for Ryan to become straight. We started praying for him to know that God loved him. We stopped praying for him never to have a boyfriend. We started praying that someday we might actually get to know his boyfriend. We even stopped praying for him to come home to us; we only wanted him to come home to God.

      By the time our son called us, after 18 long months of silence, God had completely changed our perspective. Because Ryan had done some pretty terrible things while using drugs, the first thing he asked me was this:

      Do you think you can ever forgive me? (I told him of course, he was already forgiven. He had ALWAYS been forgiven.)

      Do you think you could ever love me again? (I told him that we had never stopped loving him, not for one second. We loved him then more than we had ever loved him.)

      Do you think you could ever love me with a boyfriend? (Crying, I told him that we could love him with fifteen boyfriends. We just wanted him back in our lives. We just wanted to have a relationship with him again…AND with his boyfriend.)

      And a new journey was begun. One of healing, restoration, open communication and grace. LOTS of grace. And God was present every step of the way, leading and guiding us, gently reminding us simply to love our son, and leave the rest up to Him.

      Over the next ten months, we learned to truly love our son. Period. No buts. No conditions. Just because he breathes. We learned to love whoever our son loved. And it was easy. What I had been so afraid of became a blessing. The journey wasn’t without mistakes, but we had grace for each other, and the language of apology and forgiveness became a natural part of our relationship. As our son pursued recovery from drug and alcohol addiction, we pursued him. God taught us how to love him, to rejoice over him, to be proud of the man he was becoming. We were all healing…and most importantly, Ryan began to think that if WE could forgive him and love him, then maybe God could, too.

      And then Ryan made the classic mistake of a recovering addict…he got back together with his old friends…his using friends. And one evening that was supposed to simply be a night at the movies turned out to be the first time he had shot up in ten months…and the last time. We got a phone call from a social worker at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle asking us to come identify our son – that he had arrived there in a coma, in critical condition. We spent 17 days at Harborview, during which time our whole family was able to surround and love on Ryan. We experienced miracle after miracle during that time, things that no doctor had any medical explanation for. God’s presence was TANGIBLE in Ryan’s room. But that is a long, sacred story that I’ll have to tell another time.

      Though Ryan had suffered such severe brain damage that he had almost complete paralysis, the doctors told us that he could very well outlive us. But, unexpectedly, Ryan died on July 16, 2009. And we lost the ability to love our gay son…because we no longer had a gay son. What we had wished for…prayed for…hoped for…that we would NOT have a gay son, came true. But not at all in the way we used to envision.

      Now, when I think back on the fear that governed all my reactions during those first six years after Ryan told us he was gay, I cringe as I realize how foolish I was. I was afraid of all the wrong things. And I grieve, not only for my oldest son, who I will miss every day for the rest of my life, but for the mistakes I made. I grieve for what could have been, had we been walking by FAITH instead of by FEAR. Now, whenever Rob and I join our gay friends for an evening, I think about how much I would love to be visiting with Ryan and his partner over dinner. But instead, we visit Ryan’s gravestone.

      We celebrate anniversaries: the would-have-been birthdays and the unforgettable day of his death. We wear orange – his color. We hoard memories: pictures, clothing he wore, handwritten notes, lists of things he loved, tokens of his passions, recollections of the funny songs he invented, his Curious George and baseball blankey, anything, really, that reminds us of our beautiful boy…for that is all we have left, and there will be no new memories. We rejoice in our adult children, and in our growing family as they marry…but ache for the one of our “gang of four” who is missing. We mark life by the days BC (before coma) and AD (after death), because we are different people now; our life was irrevocably changed – in a million ways – by his death. We treasure friendships with others who “get it”…because they, too, have lost a child.

      We weep. We seek Heaven for grace and mercy and redemption as we try – not to get better but to be better. And we pray that God can somehow use our story to help other parents learn to truly love their children. Just because they breathe.

      Source: http://justbecausehebreathes.com/

      • Patricia

        “Sometimes gay people are subjected to what can only be viewed as spiritual and emotional torture. And when they ultimately cannot change who they are, they are often driven away, and wind up abandoning God, falsely believing that He rejected them.”–

        first of all, its not them that do the changing, they have to repent and submit to Jesus and allow Him to change them. a new heart, new desires. and these desires to not mean you no longer are tempted to sin. the new desire is the desire to please GOD, our Creator! its no longer about me/myself/i, its about what is pleasing to God, what God wants, what God says!
        repentance is not an easy process. it requires humility, conviction, fear of God, and submission- all the uncomfortable parts of the gospel. that’s why people are in constant spiritual and emotional turmoil while they wrestle against the Lord and His summoning call for them to repent and believe.

        read over the story. as long as his (then) Christian parents preached the gospel to him, he suffered lots of turmoil. as long as they lovingly told him the truth that could save him (that he submit himself to the Lord and continue in His way), he was tortured. it wasnt until they stopped preaching the gospel to him and stopped talking to him about holiness and godliness, put down their bibles and put down the God they worshiped that they could all get along just fine. this is what happens when the light mixes with the darkness. SOMEBODY will have to compromise. in this case, it was the parents. they were willing to throw away their faith in order to worship and idolize this son of theirs, to fit in with him, to appease him, to satisfy him and his will. he ultimately became their god. that’s the way God sees it!

        now the parents dare to preach this apostasy to others! yes, all parents of rebellious, sinful, lost homosexual children should put away Gods word, throw away the gospel, discount Jesus in the name of this hippie dowhatyouwanna space age “love” the whole world is talking about.

        what makes me angry is homosexuals act like they are the ONLY ones on earth struggling with a sin issue. every sinner has a sob story. every sinner has particular temptations they struggle against all their lives. every Christian has overcome sin and destruction and bondage. every disciple of Christ had to deny themselves and submit themselves to Christ AND continue in His way. why do homosexuals feel some type of self-entitlement pity party is due to them? why do they feel they should receive some type of “pass” on repentance, some type of license to sin when it comes to sinning against God? everybody else in the family of God had to repent of their sins and sinful lifestyles. thats the liars, fornicators, adulterers, substance abusers, sorcerers, witches and warlocks, thieves, con artists, swindlers, bullies, and all kinds of evil doers had to repent and submit to the LORD. this includes myself.

        people are always saying we are no better than the homosexuals. NEWSFLASH! they are no better than anybody else either! they have to do the same thing we all have to do, go through the same process of being summoned by God, being convicted by His word, and repenting of their evil, turning to faith in God/Jesus Christ to be saved. no exceptions.

        im sorry these parents lost their child. im extremely sorry he’s likely in hell having (as far as we know) never repented from his sinful lifestyle. im sorry the parents blame themselves for their childs sinful decisions. im sorry the parents gave up on God instead of continuing to love their child and offer Him the only hope there is, Jesus Christ as often as they could while he was alive. its all tragic.

        understand, heaven isnt up for popularity votes. no one gets to heaven piggy backing off of someone elses faith. heaven isnt a networking party where people get in by who they know and are connected to. that’s not how salvation works folks! salvation/eternal life is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and that is only entered by repentance and submission to Jesus as the Lord of Lords and King of Kings that HE IS. if He’s not your master, you’re in trouble. if He’s not your boss, youre in trouble. if He’s not your leader, your king, your Lord, your everything, you’re in trouble. that goes for everybody out there…not just homosexuals.

        • Choanito

          There is no love in you

          • You are correct. Reading her comment almost makes me want to puke, from how twisted and evil her beliefs are. There is absolutely no love in that person, but demonic possession.

        • Mark Barker

          Well said Patricia.

      • Harry Oh!

        You love the kid, but never accept of condone the sin. The vast majority of Christians already know that.

        • Yeah… that worked out so well for that Mom, didn’t it? Oh wait… no, it didn’t and it does not.

          • Harry Oh!

            It’s one story. If you spent more time studying the Christian faith and less time trolling Christian website spreading your gay propaganda, you would know that Jesus taught us to love our neighbors and love our enemies. Love, love love. Not hate.

          • I’ve studied the faith and Bible intensively for over 20 years… the only ‘propaganda’ here is your denial of basic common sense and cult-like teachings of hatred, ignorance, and falsehoods.

          • Harry Oh!

            Heresy is a very serious issue with God. You will have to account for it someday with him, in the meantime, don’t worry about me.

          • Yes, you will have to account for how you treated gay people someday, and it won’t be fun.

          • James Grimes

            He will defend homosexuality to the extreme. He states that the verses in the Bible that refer to this deprivation have been intentionally mistranslated. For those who hold to a biblical worldview, he will call haters, bigots, liars, etc. He will use any, and all, means to dispute biblical truth about the sinfulness of this disgusting lifestyle. You cannot discuss anything with him.

      • caskinner

        How did this become a homosexual issue? Katy Perry has publicly rejected God. That is what this is about.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Did the parents provide this beautiful young man with all of factual information regarding the destructive nature and consequences of pursuing the homosexual lifestyle, as found in secular sources (CDC, etc) – such consequences that include markedly increased risks of suicide attempts, drug and alcohol use, partner violence, and life-threatening physical diseases? I see no evidence of that in the story. Sharing such information in a kind and gentle manner is how “love” is defined in the Christian worldview: a commitment to truth and wanting the best for the other individual, NOT that the individual will have the most “fun” in life, nor do whatever they desire. Actions and behaviors have consequences, in this case, tragic ones. Thank you for sharing this heart-wrenching story, and God bless!

      • Jack Rohde

        Just one little question, was your son ever sexually abused by anyone or did you know? sorry for your loss, God bless, and where was the dad in all this? there are many doorways see the books by DR Rebecca Brown Chick publishing.

        • Just one little question, was your daughter ever sexually abused by anyone or did you know? sorry for your loss, God bless, and where was the dad in all of this? there are many doorways see the books by Rev. Jeff Miner and John Tyler Connoley by Jesus Metropolitan Community Church.

          • pax2u

            when someone uses anything from a jack chick source their credentials for any form of theological scholarship has been discredited

        • pax2u

          jack chick, the hate comic book, really, is that you idea of theological scholarship?

      • ter ber

        Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ came to set the Captives Free!
        That’s all of us. We need to repent and lay down our Rebellion. His Blood He shed for us will wash us clean. John 3:16-21

      • JEAN


  • alnga

    This lack of talent lady has her life wrapped up in herself. If she has ever invited Christ into her heart he will reign again, however it it appears that she never made that decision. Only God and katy know that for sure.

  • Linda

    So sad we see why the daughter is not with God because of a false Pastor. A father and Pastor leading his own daughter to hell. Can it get any worse than that? Father God help these people come out from Satan’s clutches Lord in Jesus name amen.

    • David Donovan


  • Sarah

    As Christians we are only to judge other Christians and no one else. As Christians we are to repent from all sin. and LOVE everyone even your enemies.

    • Fundisi

      “This is an issue that has confused many
      people. On one hand, we are commanded by the Lord Jesus, “Do not judge,
      or you too will be judged” (Matthew 7:1).
      On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and
      false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How
      are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of
      judgment about them?

      Christians are often accused of “judging” whenever they speak out
      against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the
      Scripture verses that state, “Do not judge.” There is a righteous kind
      of judgment we are supposed to exercise—with careful discernment (John 7:24).

  • Rey G

    It’s a horrible thing when your own flesh and blood turns against the only one who can rescue them from destruction and eternal punishment, ignoring parental guidance.

    • Michael Stevens

      yep, this is an example response to those who ask “why would God condemn me? I am basically a good person and though homosexual I dont hurt anyone, etc., etc…”

      because they MADE THEIR OWN choice to reject God’s view of the matter. They chose on their own to live as they did and not repent.

      • People are born gay…. they don’t ‘choose’ to be gay. Who would ‘choose’ that when knowing they’d be subjected to such hatred and torment such as is exhibited here towards them?

        • Gary

          Are you saying that homosexuality is moral?

          • Just as moral as heterosexuality can be.

          • Gary

            That is a lie. And certainly something that you cannot prove.

          • The truth could hit you directly in the face at a hundred miles an hour and you ‘still’ wouldn’t notice it.

          • Gary

            I think I would. But you have no truth to hit anyone with.

          • As I said before… continue to wallow in your lies and hatred as long as you wish.

          • Gary

            Go to Hell. And I’m confident that will happen.

          • Nice… God bless you.

          • Gary

            God has blessed me. And will in the future. But you can’t say that.

          • Fascinating..

          • pax2u

            remember Gary wants the government (which he sometimes wants to violently overthrow) to execute homosexuals, and he has added some Catholics just for good measure,

            but Gary supports the hate of the Westboro Baptist Church as they protest the funerals of soldiers who have died for America

          • James Grimes

            Paxy, you’re up to your old tricks. This statement is a lie. AND THE WORST THING IS… you know it’s a lie.
            Please don’t bother to copy and paste some nonsense. I’m not interested.

          • pax2u

            so Jimmy Grimmy is it a trick to call out a hateful bigot who wants the government, the same government he sometimes to want to violently overthrow, that hateful bigot who wants the execution, the liquidation of homosexuals.

            As crazy as Gary is as long as Gary hates Catholics Jimmy Grimmy has a friend with Crazy Gary,

            you to are very sick and sad, and that is not trick at all

            If I cut and paste Gary’s own words you say that it is nonsense, on that we agree, and we also agree you are not interested in the true, very sad of you Jimmy Grimmy

          • James Grimes

            This is a babbling and incoherent rant. I will have to get it translated. Think before you type.

          • pax2u

            you support hatred and bigotry

            as you reject the Love and Mercy of Jesus Christ

            you hate call the truth non sense, you are truly the “useless”

            are you adding names to Gary’s execution list?

          • James Grimes

            You are still incoherent. Your nonsense makes no sense. What does “you hate call the truth” mean? Why are you bothering me with your junk?

          • pax2u

            Disqusdmnj Gary • 3 days ago

            Well, then, since normal Americans don’t believe homosexuality is a capital offense these days, who’s supposed to administer this capital punishment if not you?

            Gary Disqusdmnj • 3 days ago

            The government would do it, if it reverenced God. Since it does not, then the people who run the government will have to answer to God for what they have done, and failed to do.

          • James Grimes

            More nonsense… Am I supposed to be interested?

          • pax2u

            Yes Gary posts non sense

          • pax2u

            pax2u Gary • 37 minutes ago

            and you are a sad little hateful bigot

            do you still want to execute homosexuals?

            Gary • 33 minutes ago

            Not just homosexuals.

          • James Grimes

            More nonsense.

          • pax2u

            pax2u Gary • an hour ago

            so you would be willing to execute homosexuals?

            Gary pax2u • an hour ago


          • pax2u

            unfortunately Gary’s non sense is filled with hatred,

            do you agree with Gary? because he also hates Catholics?

          • James Grimes

            You are a LIAR.

          • pax2u

            pax2u Gary • 17 minutes ago

            so Gary would you add Catholics with homosexuals to your list of who to execute?

            Gary pax2u • a few seconds ago

            Not all of them.

          • James Grimes

            You are a compulsive LIAR.

          • pax2u

            so posting Gary’s own words are a lie?

          • James Grimes

            Dude, two things…
            1. I’m not interested in your pathetic nonsense; and
            2. You have an unhealthy interest on Gary. He’s not looking for a boyfriend.

          • pax2u

            sir, I am sorry that you are not interested in the truth
            it is sad that you support Gary and his hatred,
            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul. amen

          • James Grimes

            Spare me the drama. Your nonsense is so boring.

          • pax2u

            sad that you support gary’s execution list

          • pax2u

            showing Gary’s own words is a lie?

            so to you truth is a lie

            and you support hatred as long it agrees with your hatred

          • James Grimes

            Paxy, you are still lying. Why?

          • pax2u

            I am posting Gary’s own words,

            Why, because I am exposing Gary as a violent, hateful bigot, and you support Gary’s hatred of Catholics

          • James Grimes

            You are lying. You will be condemned by your own words. Not only does the Catholic Church condemn you, but God’s Word condemns you. Your obvious hatred of Gary will condemn you as well. You have a problem here and I’m not interested in being a part of it.

          • pax2u

            I am posting a cut and paste of Gary’s own words of hate and bigotry

            I am sorry that you are so upset that Gary’s hatred is exposed and his desire to execute homosexuals,

            I am sure that it upsets you as you support Gary’s hatred of Catholics

          • James Grimes

            Be quiet and go away. You are a disgusting nuisance.

          • pax2u

            so you want to silence anyone who exposes your hatred

            and the very words of Gary who wants to execute homosexuals, and some Catholics?

            you are exposed, I realize why you are upset

          • pax2u

            Gary SFBruce • 7 days ago

            Federal courts are required to make rulings in accord with the
            Constitution. If they keep making rulings that are not in line with the
            Constitution, then eventually, there will be a revolution. We are not going to
            be abused continually by judges who do not care what the Constitution says

          • pax2u

            here is another of Crazy Gary’s hate posts

            Gary Badkey • an hour ago

            The issue is whether Kentucky can deny the tax breaks according to Kentucky law. You can hope whatever you want. I hope you don’t live until the end of the week, but that has nothing to do with this lawsuit.

          • pax2u

            sorry, but I am posting Gary’s own words, and you support Gary, I pray for both you and Gary, may God have mercy on your soul.

          • James Grimes

            Well, it seems that Paxy learned something here by editing his rant.

          • pax2u

            the mentally ill “useless” need to post to themselves, answering the voice in their head

        • Fundisi

          God never created anyone to be gay, it is a choice; albeit caused by a susceptibility, through nurturing, sexual abuse and demonic forces, but it remains a lifestyle choice. No one is forced to act on these unnatural, deviant sexual desires, just as a rapist or child molester or adulterer is not forced to act on their perverse sexual desires, they all choose to submit to those inner lusts. I make the same challenge to you that none of you can answer: Show me a single passage in God’s Word wherein God expresses in the most remote way that He condones homosexuality or has ever approved of gay marriage. Just one clear passage would be sufficient. Then, by twisting words and meanings, you have to erase every passage wherein He clearly condemns that lifestyle choice in the most clear terms. Absent that, you do not have a biblical case to support that deviant sexual lifestyle choice.

          People like you pretend to know God and rage on about God’s Love, but you know neither. God so loved the world is true, but He is also a Holy God that hates sin, all sin and is a God of Justice, Who will judge every man/woman that does not seek forgiveness and healing on His ground, by His terms. When you love a child, if they do something harmful to themselves or others, if you really love them, you punish their rebellion for their own good and speak most harshly against aberrant conduct. Thus God speaks of his hatred of sin and promises that all that are not born again of His Spirit, having their sins settled by Christ’s sacrifice, He will punish and that is God’s Love.

          In the love of God Christians speak out against homosexuality and gay marriage because they are sins, we do this so that duly warned of the consequences some might repent, seek Christ, be saved and healed of their homosexuality. If the stories posted were about divorce, gluttony, stealing, gossip, adultery or a host of other sins, Christians would speak out just as passionately against them and with the same motive. A big difference is that if Christians are thus involved, they can repent, turn away from those sins and find forgiveness. If a homosexual refuses to repent in the first place, that is they refuse to agree with God it is a sin and having a desire to be healed, there is no ground for salvation; but let us say they were saved at one time and later gave into demonic forces, to vile sexual lusts and engaged in homosexual acts and repented, which means agreeing it is sin and stopped such conduct, they too would be forgiven.

          It is Christians who love gays and want them saved and healed, it is all those support homosexuality that hate them, not caring if they go to hell.

          • Nope… gay people are born that way, just as God created them. Most usually realize there is something different about them from others of their same gender around the age of 4, but don’t know what it is.. but at the age of puberty they realize that they are only attracted to, and able to fall in love with, people of their own gender…. just the same as a heterosexual does at the age of puberty when they start to realize the same thing about people of the opposite gender.

          • Fundisi

            First, God only created Adam and from Adam came Eve, after that every human being came into this world by procreation, by normal sexual relations. So, no God did not create anyone to be gay.. Am I wrong? Show me from Scripture wherein God says He created anyone to be gay. Show me wherein he ever speaks a single word in favor of homosexuality. No, you cannot because every reference to homosexuality is to condemn it as sin.

            It is obvious you are no Christian, as you are not standing on God’s Word, your beliefs are not based on thus saith the Lord, but your emotions and those emotions are anti-Christ.

          • The moderators do not allow me to show you any Bible verses that disprove what you believe.

            You can go here before they delete the link, and read all the many things that disprove what you falsely have been taught:


          • Cheryl Bursa

            no im sorry God did not make anyone gay. Fundisi is speaking only from Gods word. he is correct in all he said above. we love them enough to tell them the truth. u are preaching the wrong thing to these people aaglaas. it is so sad. u will know one day but i pray u find God first. nothing i have said is meant to be mean. quite the opposite.

          • I’m sorry that people like you continue to deny both common sense and reality on this matter. Thankfully the rest of the modern and educated world have moved on beyond such ignorance such as you perpetuate. Continue to live in your fishbowl of non-reality as long as want.

          • I tried to share many verses from the Bible showing that God approved, but the moderators will not allow me.. it says ‘hold on, waiting for approval’ … but of course as I know from the past, they will never approve it to be seen. That said, the only ‘rage’ going on here is not from me… but people frothing in hatred against gay people.

          • Fundisi

            So you are saying you have passages from God’s Word wherein He clearly, directly said He approves of homosexuality? I can’t wait to see them.

            You are the one that hates gay people, you would rather lie to them and see them in hell than to dare offend the with the Truth.

          • Nope, but you’re free to deny science, common sense, and continue to believe in falsehoods and demonic teachings of hatred created by man for as long as you wish. Fortunately the enlightened world, the ‘true’ Faith of Christ’s teachings, and the courts have all now recognized the evil, hatred, and false teachings such as you spread.

          • Gary

            Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Romans chapter one, 1 Cor. 6:9-10,1 Tim. 1:9-10, and Jude 7 prove that homosexuality is immoral to God.

            If God had endorsed homosexuality, He would have allowed same-sex marriage. Instead, we find that marriage in the Bible is always the union of a man and a woman as husband and wife. Mark 10:6-8, 1 Corinthians 7:2.

            You are saying things that are contradicted by the Bible. You should stop.

          • Nope, your Bibles are purposefully mistranslated on those verses, and I could show you the true and honest translations that millions of Christians and many entire denominations now know to be the truth, but the moderators here will not allow me.

          • Gary

            My Bible works just fine. Has for a long time.

          • I’m quite certain you’ve never studied in depth the original Koine Greek and Hebrew words of the verses, but instead just accept like a baby given candy your English translation.. without ever once questioning its accuracy.

          • Gary

            I studied Greek in college. But the King James Version I use was translated well.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            So the KJV trumps the original Greek manuscripts?

          • Gary

            No, but it is an accurate translation into English.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            That may be correct if one was delivering lines in the Shakespearean theatre in sixteenth-century England.

          • Gary

            I don’t have much trouble understanding the English.

          • James Grimes

            Not true. With the exception of five verses (there are questions on them), the KJV is a very accurate translation.

          • John Mark IB

            Gary you’re dealing with those who don’t uphold the True and Living GOD’S Perfect Preservation doctrines and His Words, these folks are the same as the one who questions it and says did GOD really say hath GOD said? they’re in league with the egytptian false texts of the nag hamadi and davinci code movie an brown etc., the textual critics only seek to destroy the Truth and that’s it, they only attack the KJV and are the modern day gnostics and are the same as the Westcott and hort , nestle aland false greek texts don’t let them fool you the Jesuits are in the house today stronger than ever and are infiltrated in the so called Bible societies providing the modern perversions to the world, they all deny the cardinal doctrines of the Deity of Christ and see for yourself dear friend they just plain lost hater’s of GOD’S Preserved Words in one bible only and that’s the KJV, see here plenty of great documentation to refute them no need to argue with the haters gnostics!! just let them spew out their vitriolic hatred and watch the anti KJV froth that they foment!!! it’s obvious Westcott and hort were corrupt and used Unitarians and Bible haters they themselves hated the dreaded Textus Receptus, the received text, these guys spouting about Shakespeare etc., hilarious they’re really knowledgeable on the subject, stand for Truth!!




          • John Mark IB

            Gary, for your benefit, sorry I cut off my last one below, and here too for your reading so you know what they’re all about see also even GOD’S Preserved Words say the time will come when they will not stand sound doctrine, because they hate truth and love the doctrines of demons!! they will attack you and make it personal as well, so be careful nothing new here, same as the garden hath GOD said?? they have no final authority to stand on except supposed older texts that came from the vaticainus and corrupted egyptian line of gnostic false texts not from the true Preserved line from the disciples apostles line thru Syria etc.,
            sorry it’s tons but little by little save as favorites in a folder for later so you can see our side of the issue and I’m not a ruckmanite which they’ll use to attack us too, but I believe one hundred percent in HIS Promises of Perfect Doctrine of Perfect Preservation to us in the KJV in English period!! so you know where I stand my final authority on all matters is The Word Of GOD Preserved in The KJV!! plenty of men have lived and died for it and been burnt at the stake for it and have been saved by it and memorized it!! there’s a reason it is attacked and a reason for all the other perversions that seek to and can copyright it because they changed HIS Words!! to make a buck and satan wants to destroy the doctrines of Deity Virgin Birth etc., simple as that let them do their very best “hammer away ye many hands your hammers break GOD’S Anvil ever stands!!” Amen please see my post for more of these links on this subject, on the article they listed on this site about the supposed earliest gospel of Mark again they’re trying to imply that the gnostic texts from Egypt are somehow better when they utterly pervert and destroy doctrines of Christ etc.,











          • James Grimes

            What are the words that you are referencing and the verses that they are in? I will take a look.

          • James Grimes

            “Nope, your Bibles are purposefully mistranslated on those verses, and I could show you the true and honest translations”
            Absolutely not! This statement is really absurd.

          • Fundisi

            First, I have read your link and will reply separately.

            What falsehoods? What demonic teachings?

            Hatred created by man? Did you know God hates? Did you know Jesus hates, in both cases it involves not just hating sin, but those that promote sin and thus lead souls away from Christ and His Salvation.

            If you read the Revelations of Jesus Christ to the Apostle John, wherein Jesus is speaking to the churches, did you know that in two cases He commends those churches that hate certain teachings, always involving the condoning of sexual immorality and He hates those that promote such false teachings.

            It seems a contradiction that a God who is love can also hate. We are
            created with the capacity to both love and hate; it is part of our being
            created in the image of God. The fact that we are all tainted with sin
            does not negate the fact that the ability to love and hate is part of
            the image of God that was created within us all. Therefore, if it is no
            contradiction for a human being to be able to love and hate, then much
            more so would it not be a contradiction for God to be able to love and

            When the Bible does speak of God hating, the object of God’s hatred is
            usually sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (Deuteronomy 12:31; 16:22) and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4-6; 11:5). Proverbs 6:16-19
            outlines seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots,
            those who love evil, false witness, and troublemakers. Notice that this
            passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well.

            The question that begs to be answered at this point is why does God hate
            these things? God hates them because they are contrary to His
            nature—God’s nature being holy, pure and righteous. In fact, David
            writes, “For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you” (Psalm 5:4
            emphasis added). God is holy and hates sin. If He did not hate sin, He
            would not be holy. God is love, but He is also wrath, justice, and
            vengeance. But His wrath is a holy wrath and His justice and vengeance
            are holy as well. God’s love is holy. Therefore, He cannot “love
            everyone all the time no matter what they do,” as some like to claim.
            Nothing could be further from the truth. God loves righteousness and
            holiness and hates sin and evil. If He did not, He would not be God.

            So if God hates sin and loves holiness, how does He love us? Simple. He
            loves us because we have the righteousness of Christ who became sin for
            us on the cross (2 Corinthians 5:21).
            He poured out His wrath and vengeance against sin on His Son, so that
            He could pour out His mercy and love on us. But without that sacrifice
            credited to us, His wrath and hatred remain on us because He hates our
            sin. The Bible never says He “hates the sin, but loves the sinner.” In
            fact, He is “angry with the wicked every day” (Psalm 7:11). Is there a sense in which God loves everyone? Yes. Does that love preclude God from also hating sin, wickedness, and evil? No

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html#ixzz3Qiqq78hE

            So, if the Father and the Son speak of hating sin, with an emphasis on sexual immorality and those that promote such vile teachings, why wouldn’t His children hate them as well? We hate them, as does God, because they separate precious souls from Him and that forever. So, hating sin and those that promote sin, especially in the Church, is the Love of God, because He loves every human being and wants them saved, as do His children. By your defending sin, especially sexual immorality like homosexuality, it is you that practices hate, is seduced by the doctrines of devils and all that is false.

          • We’ll just have to agree to disagree, since I’m not allowed to go into detail on here to refute you.

          • John Mark IB

            well if you read here Thomas Ross boy he’s right if we’re truly living for The one who died for us then we’ll expect to soon get persecuted and this is what they the so called tolerance people of the new world are no different from the catholics who killed our brethren years ago and haven’t changed the papal bulls that initiated it but are the same today only not burning us at the stake and torturing us on the rack and the other machines they used on Christians and Jews in the inquisition and various tortures of our Christian brethren from the times of roman coliseum under military rome thru the religious roman beginnings in 325 under Constantine and his roman catholic state church, they the new tolerant would and are getting their persecution of peaceful honest caring loving bible believing Christians and it’s going to get worse if we are to be truly living for Him!! who gave His Life and shed His blood for us!! we can truly expect to lose it all and be thrown into their jails and again if they could burn us at the stake like the catholics did to us before they would!! see Thomas Ross hard hitting article not sure really if he’s being Biblical in it or not, but I generally agree with most of his stuff but he’s usually on the mark, with this one he’s really being radical?? not saying I agree with him here, this time, not at all, I think he’s gone too far?? kind of like the radical Chasidic Jews who’ll stone you on Sabbath for driving a car etc.,?? almost Mosaic law stuff?? but I’ll let you see if you think it’s Biblical or not?? I was actually shocked when I read it like say what?? Thomas have you gone too far?? but as for other stuff he’s spot on!! only I’m surprised they haven’t attacked his message for this one, guess they haven’t read it yet?? who knows?

            to the dear homosexual who wants love truth peace and true lasting happiness here’s the only hope please read it with an open and sincere heart and may GOD bless you as you seek Him and His will for your life!!




          • John Mark IB

            well said no true GOD fearing Christ Honoring born again Bible believing Christian hates any person even though some of our rulers seem to be evil personified as such, but well said we hate the sin love the sinner only not while engaged in the act of sin same as The LORD loves us, here’s hope for my dear friends in bondage to the sexual sins, if you need more let me know, I can tell you a story if need be but suffice it to be left with the true hope they need Fundi pass this onto them if they can be reached Praise The LORD if not we did our part confronting them with Truth in Love of Christ may the LORD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen! the funny thing is we love them enough to tell them and show them and want to give them Truth and Hope when a certain other religion would just as soon cut their heads off but we get bad mouthed and slammed for caring enough to confront them with Truth in love?? give them the hope and let HIM do the Saving!!
            Did GOD say? or mean what He said did He say what He meant? Hath GOD really said? same old lie straight from the garden of Eden it’s always the same the doubters, the atheists, the abortionists, the sexual revolution crowd all, the textual critics, MVO’s multiple version onlyists!! anti KJV, doubters, gnostics, all doubt HIS Words!!
            funny too, have you ever noticed how it’s always the same thing in all matters of Final Authority, on all matters it’s the same old questioning, Hath GOD really said? and doubting of GOD’S Preserved Words in the English, KJV, they all attack His doctrine of The Promises of Perfect Preservation, and so then can claim and or come up with all sorts of none sense they want to, most will fall for it, but the question is this,
            2 fold, 1). what will you do with Christ ?? and number 2 not necessarily in this order but equally important is
            2). Who or What is your Final Authority??
            we have the Oracles of The True and Living GOD His Preserved Words in Hebrew Masoretic texts and the Aramaic and Greek Textus Receptus KJV in The English language, so just ask them
            1). what will they do with the man Christ Jesus?? and
            2).who or what is their final authority??
            that will solve and cut to the chase…
            while I wouldnt’ use the word gay as it’s a misnomer and hijacked word same as homophobic is twisted it’s not my site but is still the truth and Gospel going out if they’ll heed and hear it open their hearts to His message, the site is very good however and the message is spot on!! sorry for the long winded post, but,
            see for yourself, and pass it on dear friend whoever you are trapped or seeking help please read the following and get the only True and Living Hope here….




  • Fundisi

    It was rightly said by Linda, now we know why this happened, her own father is a false minister, an apostate and he by his toleration and condoning of sin opened the doors to the very demonic forces that are now destroying his own daughter and he will answer for it to God. This is Linda’s prayer: ” Father God help these people come out from Satan’s clutches Lord in Jesus name amen.”

    • John Mark IB

      good one Fundi, yes this is true, and really to come out of the last days false churches, or so called emergent and purpose driven, false teachers and enemies of the true gospel, that they are just a few ring any bells here??rick warren, joel osteen?? rock n roll, contemporary, anything goes, win ’em at all costs, and by whatever means, to bring them in, thru various worldly sensual godless media and entertainment?? true to the saying it is, as the world goes so goes the so called church…..good post, we all need Him, or we’re all doomed!! give them hope pass it on see the few sites below and be blessed,
      have a blessed day and as to your post to the other guy or girl above pjwung, the folks here usually will post anything that’s probably not vulgar and or really just plain offensive I believe, so thanks to the owners of this page for reporting to us what the lame stream media propaganda machines won’t and keeping us informed as believer’s and providing us a forum in which to vent our frustrations and views hopefully Biblical in a free thought forum!! plus it’s their forum and their site so they are the editors of the final decisions on what to allow and what not, I hope I’m not too mean and overly judgmental even though definitely too opinionated ha ha 🙂
      thanks to you guys here at Christian news .net for allowing us to vent and express our thoughts I truly hope you’re believers and not government feds or nsa ha ha, but my hope is in The LORD Jesus maker of heaven and earth!! no fear !! may The LORD GOD bless you all with love, joy, and peace, always in Jesus name amen! please pass on the hope to Ms. Perry if we can, and to all we can daily!! via emails or tracts etc., these sites are easy to pass on, and full of deep food theologically sound Biblical doctrines and salvation!!

  • LiquidSunshine

    The headline seems to suggest he should not be proud of his daughter. That’s a little harsh.

  • jennylynn

    Katy in an interview said she sold her soul to the devil. She needs prayer like all prodicals who sell out for the worlds pleasures which are fleeting.

    • Gary

      If she sold her soul to the devil, it is too late for her.

      • JEAN


        • Gary

          The key phrase there is “if she will repent of her sins”. If she made a deal with the devil in order to prosper in what she is doing, then there is little or no chance that can be reversed.

  • pjwung

    Why are you CN attempting to censor my post that is clearly in line with the Bible and not at all offensive to anyone!!

    • Fundisi

      I doubt they did, I have posted here and never seen it appear.

    • John Mark IB

      Dear Friend pjwung, no offense here, not really sure what this is all about, or what you’re trying to push thru here, but maybe this will help you out, number one we came here to their site, and have to abide by the rules they see fit, it’s not my site, so I have to be respectable to the owners of this site, and their rules etc., same as anywhere in the respectable free world at least anyways? again no offense here but

      sorry but this is THEIR site, so maybe if you’re a bit kinder to them, and email the editors, and or owners with your concern, that would help your cause, threatening them will not endear you to them, or anyone really for that matter, but go to them privately, try it if they’re kind enough to post my ranting’s and ravings, then as bad as I am, ha ha, I’m sure if yours aren’t as bad, they will allow them to pass the censorship committee!! ha ha, just trying to ease things here, there is the editor of this site if you look he seems to be a pretty nice guy to allow us this free forum and news site catering to Born Again Bible believer’s in Christ? speak to them directly up top of the page you can read the comment guidelines I don’t and haven’t because usually my comments aren’t hateful? or offensive in my own eyes anyways, I try to be loving and Christ like and give the gospel always, but go to the top and you can contact them or see Mr. Marcavage info. on the upper left About Christian News and his name is the following Michael Marcavage,

      so hope this helps you out,
      may GOD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen
      also see the hope here and have a blessed day and week !! 🙂

  • Stephen Abbott

    Another weak “saved by grace” so-called evangelical Christian whose pastor probably spends more time condemning “works” than quoting Jesus. Living proof that good works don’t “naturally flow” from Instant Salvation.

  • Tim Raynor

    I remember my parents telling me many Christian’s lost their
    minds back in the 1950’s when Elvis was popular. Remember, TV wouldn’t show him below the hips
    because of the way he shook his bottom half.
    Many religious folks back then were claiming rock n’ roll was a signal
    to the “end of times”, the work of Satan and would be the end of us all. Well, we’re all still here! Therefore, making such a huge issue of a Katy
    Perry song she recorded a decade ago isn’t going to amount to much of anything.
    Silly you guys worry about something you’re
    never going to change no matter how hard you try. Is
    comical to watch, though. 😉

  • sam

    Obviously, kissing a girl is not godly whatsoever. However, God is sovereign over all, both good and bad. By His grace, Mr. & Mrs. Hudson are being tutored through their daughter by God. It can’t be an easy situation for either of them but nothing can pluck you out of your Father’s hand once you are there. God bless their family and God bless all of you.

  • also

    Perry is lost, living in a bubble. God help our daughters and sons who think she has something to offer.

  • Howard Taylor

    With the multitude of sexually transmitted diseases on the scene, getting involved in sexual sin is gambling with your life. Not one person infected with HIV/AIDS has ever lived -NOT ONE! If you are harassed and tormented by filthy memories or fantasies flooding your mind, if you are constantly undressing others with your eyes, if you are a fornicator, adulterer, homosexual, masturbator, porno addict or any other type of sexual deviant, then you have opened the door for many evil spirits (demons) to enter and live INSIDE YOU! Once they’ve gained entrance they will force you to increase your sin habit until you are out of control and damned to burn forever in Hell. You cannot defeat these forces in your own strength, without help you are doomed to remain their SLAVE. There is only one way of escape -THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!

  • Truthhurts24

    Truly tragic how satan has deceived that whole family and now I know why Kate is the way she is because of parents whose minds have been seared with an hot iron by doctrine of devils.

  • Dee Rogers

    Did anyone happen to notice all of the illuminati symbolism that saturated her superbowl performance?? Look at the signs all around us, BIG things are happening around the world..

  • What37

    It doesn’t sound like he was condoning her bad behavior, but loving her as a father, and being proud of her – not for the bad, but because he loves her. You don’t quit loving your family and friends (or anyone else in the world) because they aren’t living a Godly life. I don’t see anything in the text or the video that leads me to believe he’s compromising his Christian values – it’s hard to make much sense of the video as we don’t hear the questions he is responding to – it’s just a bunch of sound clips strung together without enough context to really make any rational judgement on.

  • jmichael39

    I come to this site virtually everyday to read the stories and engage in the discussions. For the most part I openly join in debating atheists and other trolls who come here to attack us in our faith.

    However, many times I see those here whom I would consider, for the most part, to be kindred in faith post comments on here that make them seem more willing to throw babies out with bath water, so to speak, than to actually read and understand what’s going on.

    I’ve kept silent about that till now. I read this article. I see the hearts of Katy’s parents torn to shreds over how to deal with a prodigal daughter. I see them try to find the good in some of her songs still…to see the girl whom they believe knew Jesus personally at one point..to see opportunities to possibly be testimony to others they meet as a result of being Katy Perry’s parents.

    Then I look down here to the comments and I see my fellow Christians literally throwing these two people under a proverbial bus…making some immense judgments about their ministry, parenting skills and even their own salvation. While I love you all for the passion you clearly have for our Lord, I must weep in telling you I am embarrassed by your posts in this instance. There isn’t a single thing in this article to imply that Katy’s parents support her in her rebelliousness and sins. The worse thing you might glean from this article is that they try to enjoy their daughter’s “good songs” while not appreciating the bad ones.

    Now, I am certain there will be some amongst us here who will find flaw in my post. Do yourself a favor do yourself a favor. Ask yourself a simple question. How would YOU treat your own son or daughter if they renounced the faith your brought them up in? I mean it…reallllly think about it. I know great Christian couples whose children have done this and unless, or until, you experience it for yourself, you will never ever understand. I speak compassionately about it, but even I cannot fully understand the pain they go through. My three kids have all chosen a life with Christ. But I see the pain my own pastor goes through from his son’s rejection of Christ. And that’s why I simply cannot sit here and watch my fellow Christians speak so harshly, and, forgive me saying it, ignorantly, about what Katy’s parents are going through.

    If you still want to lash out at me, feel free.

    • John Mark IB

      Dear jmichael39, very well, point taken, well articulated, and very well respected, as always, let’s just all of us especially me (and I’m mainly attacking myself for my own sinfulness etc.,judging starts with/at myself etc.,) and always pointing the condemning finger at myself!! totally first, and overwhelmingly, but let’s be Biblical and Christ like, not meaning any bad towards you, at all, no debate here, but good point very well reasoned , you’re a good thinker (as your pic shows ha ha jk) :), I’m probably not as good a thinker as I should be, but do try to be very Biblically discerning, but you do bring up great points, from the more human perspective/ and or psychological side of it, if that makes any sense at all? ha ha, I’m lame I know, but let’s all just try to be as Biblically, doctrinally, sound and correct as possible, obviously it’s too easy to sit in fiery judgment of her, and her parents, as I probably did above, so again, as my own mom asks me “well, what would you do if one of your kids told you they were a lesbian or sodomite or homosexual etc.,?” and it’s very simple, of course you’ll always love them with the love of Christ, no matter what, really so it’s a tough thing to think what crime or sin does our own family member do and how do we respond to them etc.,?? but does that mean accepting sinful behavior and tolerance in the name of the same?? not at all, we have to confront them at some point with their errors and sins and give them the Life saving, Life giving, Life changing Gospel of Christ and that’s it!! here’s hope for all people, please read it and pass it on to all, and may GOD bless you with love, joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!! have a blessed day

      • jmichael39

        well said across the board.
        My points about trying to understand the difficulty someone like Katy’s parents are going is this…
        There is a fine balance between loving and supporting your loved one who is living in sin and supporting the sin itself. My friend who’s son is gay goes through this all the time. His son is a world class musician and my friend is quite ‘proud’ of that. He loves attending his performances. They spend all sorts of time together. His son knows full well where his parents stand on his sexual choices. My friend has to evaluate every situation to determine whether or not he will be seen as supporting his son’s sexual orientation or merely supporting his son. It is painfully draining on him and his wife. It is not an easy life. And I am quite sure he has done some things that he later regrets…things either leaned too far to appearing to support the life of son and some that probably hurt his son as being unsupportive or unloving. All I know is my friend’s heart.
        And that’s what I was trying to get across here about Katy’s parents. Katy’s lifestyle choices, from what we read in the article and in other articles are not supported by her parents. They have clearly spoken out against them. But they also obviously love her very much. The problem seems to me to be that some of the Christians on this site seem to need to feel like her parents are ALWAYS openly speaking out against her behavior. The problem with that her parents don’t owe the Christians on this site any more proof of their stance on Katy’s lifestyle than my friend does about his son. They live with everyday. There is only so much they can say or do and nothing they are required to do includes having to appease the people on this site.

  • Julie Vanholstyn

    For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
    whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  • JEAN


  • Looking at the comments here, all I can say is… it’s not a huge surprise why religion is declining. I don’t think any reasonable person would want to spend their time with people who think the way you all do.

    • Well said!!!

    • Gary

      And I don’t want to spend my time with people who think the way you do.

      • I can imagine how the company of a critical thinker might seem threatening to your fragile religious world-view.

  • John Mark IB

    wow well, to the one commenter bogvader, maybe you’re thinking your thoughts after the rudiments of this world system and self after your own god? sorry but not trying to be mean, and no offense but if you’re a sincere and real truth seeker, please be aware of the many false and wolf in sheep’s clothing doctrines of the day, the buffet style pick and choose your own self made gospel lite! any latest version of the bible will do and we’ll just call it truth and the pople will eat it up and be all good with it because it makes them feel soooo goooood?? all about my fellings and how it makes me feel ohhh no I don’t want to be preached at!! please don’t tell me about hell nd stuff like that ok no that’s just way too offensive??! and it would seem some are looking for the religion of today’s the false trinity of the “me myself and I” “hey that sounds great to me” please smile and tell me stories that just make me feel happy and warm sooooo goood inside, and please just keep on tickling my ears with the sprinkle of just a bit of what sounds like truth, but in reality is the doctrine of demons, please know there is hope if you’re truly sincere, here it is check it out and may GOD bless you as you do have a blessed day and week,

  • April J

    Are we really mocking and shaming a man who refuses to stop loving his own daughter? Sometimes the rules and rights and wrongs and guilt of fundamental Christianity are really too much to bear. I often feel like I’ll never measure up to it all, so why even bother. I would hope that if I stray or choose a different path for my life that my father wouldn’t abandon and disown me or deprive me of his love. That never brings anyone back to Christ.