‘You Have to Do It’: Texts Surface in Case of Teen Charged with Urging Boyfriend to Commit Suicide

Carter-RoyNEW BEDFORD, Mass. — Text messages have been released in the case of a teenage girl who is facing involuntary manslaughter charges for urging her boyfriend to commit suicide, and staying with him on the phone until he went through with it.

Michelle Carter, 18, was officially charged in February in the death of her boyfriend, Conrad Roy III, also 18, who struggled with depression. He died by carbon monoxide poisoning after gassing himself in his pickup truck in the parking lot of the Fairhaven, Massachusetts Kmart.

“From at least July 6th through July 12th, 2014, Carter assisted Conrad’s suicide by counseling him to overcome his doubts, devising a plan to run a combustion engine within his truck in order to poison him with carbon monoxide, and by directing him to go back in his truck after he exited it, when he became frightened the plan was working,” an indictment against Carter reads.

Now, the text messages between the two have been released by the Bristol County District Attorney’s Office as Carter’s attorneys are seeking to have the manslaughter charge dropped.

“You can’t think about it. You just have to do it. You said you were gonna do it. Like I don’t get why you aren’t,” Carter wrote to Roy on July 12 of last year, according to court documents.

“The more you push it off, the more it will eat at you. You’re ready and prepared,” she egged him on. “All you have to do is turn the generator on and you will be free and happy. No more pushing it off. No more waiting.”

Roy, while agreeing to move forward, also expressed hesitancy, worrying about his family.

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“I do want to, but I’m like freaking for my family I guess,” he texted. “I don’t know.”

“Conrad, I told you I’ll take care of them,” Carter responded. “Everyone will take care of them to make sure they won’t be alone and people will help them get through it. We talked about this and they will be okay and accept it. People who commit suicide don’t think this much. They just could do it.”

“I don’t want to kill anyone else with me,” Roy later stated, expressing concern about the possibility that others could be overcome when with the carbon monoxide they find his body. “When they open the door they won’t know. It’s odorless and colorless.”

“You’re over thinking,” Carter replied. “They will see the generator and realize you breathed in [carbon monoxide].”

Prosecutors state that the teen remained on the phone with Roy for 43 minutes and continued to urge him to take his life “or I’m going to get you help.” She later contacted his family and asked if they knew of his whereabouts. Roy’s parents soon filed a missing person report, and his body was discovered in the parking lot of the local Kmart.

Carter went on to organize a suicide prevention fundraiser in memory of Roy, but prosecutors note that she admitted her involvement to a friend via text, stating that Roy got out of his truck as he became frightened of death, and Carter urged him to go through with it.

“Like, I honestly could have stopped it,” she wrote, according to court documents. “I was the one on the phone with him, and he got out of the car because [the carbon monoxide] was working and he got scared. I [expletive] told him to get back in.”

Carter’s attorneys are seeking to have the involuntary manslaughter charge dropped, contending that she had also encouraged Roy to obtain help at a mental health facility. They allege that Roy had originally wanted Carter to die with him in a Romeo-Juliet pact and that she was “brainwashed” into helping him.

Carter is set to appear in court on October 2, at which time it will be decided whether or not the charge will be dropped.

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  • Joshua Krug

    Destroy it.

    • Joshua Krug

      Destroy it and everything along with it.

      • Bezukhov

        And Jesus commanded you to destroy other peoples’ property where? Now I see it: “And Jesus said unto His disciples “Go and destroy the property of those you disagree with.”” (Gospel according to St Malaka 9:23)

        • Joshua Krug

          Tell me what you know of the Messiah. Seeing as you mention his name.

      • bowie1

        As long you are willing to pay the price e.g. prison time.

        • Joshua Krug

          I’m speaking to the authorities.

          • Bezukhov

            And when they’re finished with that statue, we’ll all goosestep to every library and bookstore. We’ll need fuel for all those consigned to the flames.

          • Joshua Krug

            Agreed. And every magic shop and psychic or star reader.

  • Joshua Krug

    How are the police defending the unjust? The leadership is compromised.

    • Scott Wright

      just because you say its unjust does not make it so. i think its unjust to put any religion in the public square. does that make me right? well the law is on my side at least. i think the point is this if you boil it all the way down, the satanists want you to stop putting religious things of places that are paid for by tax dollars, because tax dollars come from all of us so it has to be for all of us not just for the popular belief systems. its an all or nothing thing here.

      • Joshua Krug

        The law isn’t on anybody’s side. And if it boils down to taxes, and those taxes being for everyone, and it’s all or nothing, and I need to choose Satan or God – I’ll choose God, thanks. Funny that it’s “our” tax money when it includes all of us, but when it comes to the Christian voice, well, “Shut up with your talking about being righteous in this life. We don’t want to hear about no more beer or pornography, no more violence or theft. No more adultery. No more of this God talk.” The law makes lawbreaking incredibly bad. The law isn’t for you. The law makes you a criminal by your actions. The only escape is Christ. Not just for freedom from sin but a new life. It is absolutely an injustice and there are many such like it. Being in the world you can attest to that, whether you watch it or take place in it yourself. However, to end injustice is to act justly, whereas, you say, it’s all or nothing and your all is for Satanist and your nothing is for God.

        • Bob

          Thank you! Thank you. I finally got to the bottom of this comment section and I’m glad yours was the last post I saw!

          I had many good laughs on the way, but you managed to top everyone else and give me just the chuckle I really needed.

          Really, sincerely, thank you!

  • Reason2012

    Taking a part of another religion and hatefully mocking it is not something you have the right to put up a statue about, and this should be denied on those grounds.
    However, it makes perfect sense as this nation turns its back on God, God is giving this nation up to the most vile of behaviors, so this is hardly surprising.
    Live forever, people!

    • Sharktooth Martin

      That is exactly what Rev. Wright was saying. When you don’t take his words out of context he’s saying God is not blessing America anymore he is damning it. Just pick up a newspaper…..look at our morals today. The devil dances for joy as mother’s kill their babies, father’s kill whole families, rapes and murders and child molesting. Even Christians yell, “kill” to illegal immigrants and other poor and helpless. Women sleep with so many men they cannot say who the father is and it’s politically incorrect to even ‘shame’ her. Our television set is full of murder, torture, and crimes against women and children. We are already ruled by Satanists as far as I’m concerned.

      • Equeslover

        Truer than you know..but in the end it will all tell out…

      • Ashley Joyner

        And men sleeping with multiple women… and its never politically correct to shame them. Let’s not leave out that.

      • jcdfms

        God’s timing is perfect. Jesus said that in the end times or (the last generation) that there would be wickedness like never before. He taught that God would send a strong delusion upon the evil people so they would believe the lies of satan. I know I will be among those taken before the wrath. I pray everyone who reads this will be blessed to get out of this world before God begins. Revelation is the book to read to find the strong delusion. The taking in the twinkling of an eye is everywhere in the New testament. But read 1st and 2nd Thess too.

        • C_Alan_Nault

          “God’s timing is perfect. ”

          Which god?

          “Jesus said that in the end times ”

          And ever since, every generation has predicted that they were living in the end times.

          According to the Bible, Jesus also said that anyone with even the smallest amount of faith can pray in his name & they will get whatever they ask for in prayer. Since this obviously isn’t true, why would you think other things the Bible tells us Jesus said are true?

      • C_Alan_Nault

        “he’s saying God is not blessing America anymore ”

        Which god? So many to choose from, and all equally valid choices since no evidence exists for any of them.

    • C_Alan_Nault

      “Taking a part of another religion and hatefully mocking it is not something you have the right to put up a statue about,”

      Wrong. Freedom of speech/freedom of expression means people can do this if they choose to. If it offends some people, tough.

      No individual or group has a right to not be offended.

  • 1234_4444

    Non theistic satanists??? Not a chance. There is nothing true about that statement. Then, why do you need a statue and why say it will bring inspiration? They are just defying God, the creator.

    • Arthur Smith

      “Non theistic satanists” = words direct from the Great Deceiver. What would you expect?

      • 1234_4444


  • Janine Lea

    A hundred people showed up? I hope that the people running the show have a LOT of money behind them, because with the rental of the building, and other costs, it doesn’t sound like a money maker to me.

    • Zita Knox

      100 protesters, according to this article. Dozens of protestors, according to everything else I’ve read. The Unveiling sold out, due in part to the hysterics of Pastor Bullock and his lot. Ave Satanas!

  • Josey

    You are on one side or the other whether you acknowledge that fact doesn’t matter, it is what God’s word says. Matthew 12:30 Jesus said, “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.”
    Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

  • FoJC_Forever

    Anyone who thinks honoring a statue of this kind is equal to a granite monument with ten of the commandments in the Law of Moses doesn’t have the ability to think clearly. There isn’t a clear and decisive comparison of the two.

    Judgement is coming.

    • William Skoll

      Hail Satan! Worship Doom!

  • DNelson

    Thank you RFRA.

  • BBP Vas

    Sounds like a truly disgusting event for an equally disgusting monument.

  • Jim Van Alstine

    choose you r distination.

  • Emmanuel

    I thought homosexuality was Christian? From God? Those two men are not right with God. The gay community should have a stern discussion with those two men. LOL

  • Susie Colfer

    …it’s a statue people, not the antichrist. I don’t pay attention to half of the statues I go by and I’m guessing most other people don’t either. They get a cursory glance and then you move on. It isn’t like it is suddenly going to turn people into Satanists. I wont suddenly look at it and go “Wow, all these years I’ve been missing out on worshiping a goat headed person! I have to get me some of that!”. I’m guessing no one else will feel that way either. If you are a Satanist then look at the statue and be proud that it represents you and you have one upped the Christians. If you are a Christian then look at it on your way to church and chuckle while thinking God is bigger than some silly statue. If you could care less about its symbolism then look at it and either marvel at it as art work or mentally complain about how the money could have been used for something better. Again, it is a statue.

    • John Beam

      Sure, and a black swastika inside a white circle with a red field is just a swastika. Nothing to see. Just look away and chuckle at it.

    • quillerm

      Democrats are tearing down statues all over the country just because they depict a memory of the Civil War, then they put one up and it’s to the Devil. How appropriate considering that Obama just made a deal with Iran a terrorist state that gives them billions to continue butchering innocent people throughout the Mideast.

    • Josey

      Amen Susie! Amen!

    • Red Fred

      The confederate flag was just a piece of fabric but it had to go.

  • infamouscrimes

    Gotta love the hypocrisy of the Christians who protested this thing.

    • BBP Vas

      Gathering and praying against the evil that it represents is hypocrisy? How so?

      • infamouscrimes

        I don’t see how it’s evil in any way. If you want to talk evil, Christianity has killed more people than any other religion in world history. I pass ten churches on my commute every day but if Satanists want one service, not even a permanent church, Christians don’t like it. There is freedom of religion in this country so people can worship the devil if they want to. Satan is a just a myth anyways, so don’t take it so seriously.

        • Unwana Udoh

          There is reality and there is deceit. Reality is always greater than deceit. For you to walk in either, you have to make that choice…But choose reality, choose God.

        • John Beam

          “Christianity” is following the commands and teachings of Christ and His apostles, which are counter to killing ANYONE. Hence, your claim that “Christianity has killed more people than any other religion in world history” is utter bunk. The Roman apostasy, which is the antithesis of the teachings of Christ and His apostles, is responsible for millions of deaths, to be sure, but let’s not forget about Islam, which has AT LEAST butchered as many people as the so-called “Catholic church.”

          Here’s another thing–if a “Christian” kills “in the name of Christ,” he is an apostate, because he is disobeying the commands of Christ. If a Muslim kills “in the name of Allah and His prophet,” then he is OBEYING the commands contained within the Quran and the Hadith.

          • Stefan Kienzle

            …but, wouldn’t you say that a LOT more people have been killed in the name of Christ than in the name of Satan? I mean, say what you will about the Christian and Muslim interpretations of the same God, but if you’re really wanting to take that route, I think Satan’s hands a tad bit cleaner.
            I mean, if we’re talking scripture here, Satan never drowned the world population because they didn’t live up to his standards.

          • John Beam

            First of all, Muslims do not have an interpretation of God, because the deity that they espouse is 180-degrees different (evil) from YHWH. In other words, Allah IS Satan, the exact opposite of the source of light and truth.

            Secondly, any who kill “in the name of Christ” are obeying Satan, whether they know it or not, because they are following something that is influencing them to be the exact opposite of what Christ wants them to be. Doing evil in the name of all that is good and righteous is delusional, and the delusion comes directly from Satan.

            Regarding the flood, it was far more than drowning people “because they didn’t live up to his standards.” It was about a world’s population that was thoroughly polluted physically and spiritually, that had to be destroyed before it effected everyone (Noah and his family where literally all that was left). Satan, once again was responsible for this corruption, so that is simply more blood on HIS hands.

            “Do what thou wilt” is the path to destruction, not because of God’s butchering, but because of the natural course of human existence. God’s path is towards personal responsibility and personal accountability, and loving others as you love your creator. Satan’s way is total selfishness and not being accountable to any higher purpose, and his influence always leads to a society’s downfall. It is leading to America’s downfall as we speak, because Godlessness is the culture that pervades it, and the corruption and lawlessness of its leaders has never been as bad as it is now. Eventually, it’s going to collapse, and it won’t be because of God’s doing.

          • Stefan Kienzle

            “Regarding the flood, it was far more than drowning people “because they didn’t live up to his standards.” It was about a world’s population that was thoroughly polluted physically and spiritually, that had to be destroyed before it effected everyone (Noah and his family where literally all that was left). Satan, once again was responsible for this corruption, so that is simply more blood on HIS hands.”

            So God saw that the best way to deal with it was to kill them all horribly because “Satan corrupted them?” Every man, woman and child deserved to drown (which is a completely horrific way to die, mind you), because God saw them as a lost cause and threw them away the same way you would spoiled fruit. How is that benevolent? How is that worthy of worship? There’s no other word for it, it’s genocide. Bear in mind this is also a God who sees it fit to include “do not use my name in vain” on his top ten commandments, but then doesn’t directly discourage rape. I mean, you can rationalize it however you want, people have been rationalizing atrocity since the dawn of man.
            Also please know, I’m not intending to come off as rude and if you’re getting that impression, I’m sorry.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            So if Noah and his family was everything there was left, how come the world is populated? I know he had three sons who where married. So getting the world populated again, their kids had to have intercourse= incest. Isn’t that a sin in your book?

          • Red Fred

            No. Might want to research every once in a while before you believe progressive nonsense. Satan hates mankind because God loves mankind. Loved enough to come in a physical form and take the punishment for the sin of all. God didn’t make a way to cover for the rebellion of the fallen angels. Just man. Satan’s hands are covered in the blood and carnage and lost souls from the beginning throughout the future. Satan is the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning. He tempts man to sin and laughs when man does it. His purpose is to pull people into darkness, for whatever they seek, money, fame, sex, drugs etc. If you have a price tag on you, he will pay it. Sinister in purpose.

          • Stefan Kienzle

            Okay,correct me if I’m wrong, in the Bible, which, for the sake of argument, we’ll say is “the only version absolute truth” everything outside the Bible is mere speculation and interpretation, were the only people Satan killed the ten children of Job? Let’s compare that to the massive amount of people that God killed throughout the course of scripture. You and I can certainly agree on one thing, murder is wrong, no matter the deluded justification.

            Also, just why does Satan have pull over the human race? Why doesn’t God, who has numerous times stated his antipathy towards Satan, allow him to keep doing it? Why doesn’t God unmake Satan? If God has made Satan, that opens up a lot of dfferent questions. If Satan is the embodiment of murder and lies, does that mean God created murder and lies, if indirectly? Also, why did God create a universe so inconcievably huge and the decided to focus his attention on what’s essentially a speck of dust on speck of dust?

          • Red Fred

            As Creator He has the right to do whatever He wishes, but everything He does is for the ultimate good of those who trust Him. Job’s troubles were to prove to Satan that this good man would not curse God regardless of the loss he sustained. God restored more to Him for his faithfulness than what he had in the beginning. Satan was an angel, created for good. He left his first estate due to pride and took 1/3 of the angels with him. Their rebellion against God continues to this day. The object of love always commands attention. In a sense God did unmake Satan when Jesus was sacrificed for all sin from the beginning to the end. To those who submit to Him He will give eternal life in the sinless community He has prepared for those who love Him.

          • Stefan Kienzle

            So, are you saying that because he is God, he’s just sort of allowed to do whatever and it’s somehow right no matter how many people may be put at a disadvantage because of it? How come that doesn’t strike you as being tyrannical?
            “Worship me, I’ll give you everlasting life. If you don’t, I’ll sent you to be tortured for all eternity.”

            That’s not an opportunity, that’s an ultimatum. There’s no love in that. It’s just being told what to do lest you burn in hell.

            Also, if God unmade Satan through the sacrifice of his son, then why is Satan still a threat to your fate? You guys obviously take him seriously. If Satan and sin is still a threat to the world, wouldn’t that make the Sacrifice of Christ essentially meaningless? Or is only meaningful if you hold up your end of the bargain by showing canine devotion to a God that hasn’t ever shown himself in verifyable recorded history?

          • Red Fred

            He is holy. He is light. He is love. He isn’t allowed because who can stop Him when He decides. He is merciful to ALL who turn to Him. If I paint a picture, it’s my creation, I can paint over it, I can throw it away, it belongs to me.

          • Stefan Kienzle

            “He is holy. He is light. He is love.”

            Again, how is a deity who wantonly murdered in the Old Testament “love.” Don’t get me wrong, believe whatever you want to believe. If it helps you get out of bed in the morning, I totally respect that, but I keep wondering how you rationalize things like the Old Testament. The God described in it is just plain cruel. The very notion of Hell is insatiably cruel. So why justify it? Why is completely reasonable doubt really punishable by eternity in hell?

          • Red Fred

            He didn’t murder in the Old Testament. He destroyed evil. Think of it in terms of the death penalty. Some people are so evil they are a threat to everything around them. He eliminated people determined to destroy, murder, enslave. He’s the opposite of cruel. The devil is cruel. Hell was for the fallen angels, but since some people would prefer to follow them instead of God, they earn the same fate. Every man is given a measure of faith. There is a promise: when you seek me with you whole heart, you will find me.

        • BBP Vas

          Dang. The Father of Lies has gotten to you too.

  • Idaho_Dave

    I don’t know why they are bothering with religion, when they already have control of the GOP. Next I suspect they will be writing their weird beliefs into Texas schoolbooks. What goes around comes around…..

  • runnindeer

    It is not an attractive art piece to say the least. It was and is obviously designed to create debate and conflict as well as confusion. The children looking on reverently -or lovingly- would show it to be something it absolutely isn’t. For generations people have their their idea of what is beauty and what is art. This artist is just a bit warped and most likely had a lot of help doing the warping. It will never stop GOD-the only GOD and it certainly isn’t Satan. It is just ugly art trying to masquerade as some kind of god. It would seem that any City would be ashamed to have this squatting in their neighborhood.

    • jcdfms

      It is an Idol made by man’s hands to illecite worship from the ignorant. Those who are worship it, Perhaps God has already given them the strong delusion that they will believe the lie.

  • Let me get this straight.. God created the angels, including Lucifer, right? K. Then, when this particular entity hit the rebellious teen stage, his old man kicked him out of heaven, and sent him to EARTH, right? K. Then sometime later, according to an old book, this same god creature created mankind, THEN PUT THEM ON THE SAME PLANET AS HE HAD SENT THE ONE CREATURE WHO HAD REFUSED TO WORSHIP HIM- the one creature who mankind has been taught to believe is the ultimate evil. And yet, even though this god creature is so powerful that he could make all of creation just appear from nothing CAN’T DEFEAT A CREATURE HE MADE HIMSELF? What part of this makes any sense? I guess this god-thing is actually even more weak than mankind, since we defeat what is called evil every day, and without any intervention. Wonder why that is? Could it be because this thing called god CANNOT intervene, and IS NOT powerful enough to have created that which he somehow cannot destroy. What is real evil isn’t some fairy tale told to keep people in line and tithing to the church. Real evil is abdicating personal responsibility for your own life, and claiming that an invisible entity has control over you.

    • Dave_L

      You are presenting a “straw god” argument.

    • Josey

      you definitely don’t understand.

    • Red Fred

      No. Vast difference in “old man” and Creator. The rest of your diatribe comes from not knowing scripture.

  • Bertha Warren

    Dancing with Devil. Hope they can take the Lake of Fire where satan and his demon, will be going and all his followers.

    • Josey

      Exactly, and they have no idea who they are dancing with, to them it’s one huge party but in the end they will see the evil they have been messing with isn’t all fun and games.

    • Stefan Kienzle

      If you could please provide me with empirical evidence of said Lake of Fire, that’d be fantastic.

      • Bertha Warren

        Revelation 20:14 Lake of Fire.

        • Stefan Kienzle

          Empirical-based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

          In other words, not Bible verses.

  • herdzcatz

    I have an idea for the Bathomat statue, worthy of the bathmat which it depicts: A large statue of a foot with a hole in it suspended directly above it, preparing to step upon its goatmanish head. 🙂 “And the God of peace will soon crush satan under your feet.” Romans 16:20

    • Scott Wright

      ok, wait a second, the god of peace crushes? that sounds really close to the religion of peace beheading. the 2 things dont mix.. sorry but you need to know god better . jesus will be proud of you if you turn the other cheek.

      • Red Fred

        Yes He has and yes He does. (And no it’s not like Islamists, we don’t do the crushing, He does.)

      • herdzcatz

        Scott…Yup. Seems contradictory, but it’s not. That said, the crushing is not of people, but of an entity, Bathomat. An analogy: If an intruder broke into your home to steal your stuff or kill you or your family, you would probably be OK with crushing that party so as to “keep the peace” at your domicile. Sure, it would be violent for a short while, but you, as the rent- or mortgage-payer in your home, have the right to “keep the peace” even in an extreme case scenario when it takes force. Your grandpa walking in—or your dog—or your daughter—would not merit such a crushing action. . But a Thief or a Murderer WOULD merit the full force of peacekeeping coming from your baseball bat, your gun, or whatever other weapon you could get your hands on. The devil–good ol’ Bathomat–is a destroyer, a thief, and a murderer, a deceiver and an all around bad entity who has been behind most of the havoc here on the planet, all while running around whispering “Why did GOD?…..”

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust


        • Scott Wright

          ok soooo. lets look at this again, instead of trying to hear what i am saying you attack my spelling and then assume (judge) that i am an atheist. well i am not . i am also not a Jew so i don’t spell G_d like that either, you really don’t know me at all or my relationship with God. heck for all you know i am just a really bad speller. stop being pedantic and listen to the spirit of the message. your aggression towards others and others beliefs is a very tell tale sign of you true understanding of Gods will. the moment you decide to “act” is the same moment that you removed God from the equation. you “good, self-righteous, pious Christians” are truly unbelievers if you think that God needs your help with this in any way shape or form. your judgement of me and your assumption that i am an atheist because i did not use the big G also tells me that you have a lot of pride. your pride and your judging of others will be your downfall. its time to get ready for bigger things and if you cant get out of the online BS arguments and get yourself right you will be the sad one. you dont have to reply or defend youself, if you want to just ponder what i am trying to tell you that is ok, absorb the message that God has for you in these words. because ALL things are done by God’s will so this message is because he wanted you to hear it. dont give a man made statue or “ANYTHING” give you fear, dont let a statue of any creature or idea put fear in your heart. it has only as much power over you as you allow it to have. you are worried and focused on some chunk of rock, surely God wonders why you are drawn to it.

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            Most A-theist spell God with a little g and Jesus with a little j.I have a lot of LOVE and respect for God and His Son Jesus *Yeshua*
            Shalom <

          • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust

            P.S. I did not say you misspelled Anything. I taught myself to read and to write. I make mistakes all the time. Some words I do not use because I can not spell them. I will NEVER. respond to you ever again.
            Shalom <

    • Wasn’t that the opening for “Monty Python’s Flying Circus?”

      • herdzcatz

        Don’t know…never had the pleasure of seeing it. If it was…happy accident.

  • Brenda Golden

    When an atheist destroyed a monument of the 10 Commandments not long ago the atheists celebrated and when the Christians were angry it was just another occasion to point and say “bad Christian”. Remember what goes around comes around. I see this statue being dragged down the road behind a big truck in the near future. And what is called equality is just another excuse to discriminate against Christians.

    • Scott Wright

      except you are forgetting the true teachings of god. you have in your mind destroyed the statue and are glad that it will make the owners sad. that is not turning the other cheek, also there is this whole thing about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, so you are saying that you would be ok with people destroying things of yours that they find offensive? i mean after all, that is what you want to do to them, that is aggression hatred and spite. none of which is the joy that god gives, who is your true master anyway? in the end you will be judged by your deeds.

      • Josey

        In the Bible God told Gideon to tear down the altars of Baal, so there is a time for everything and a season for it all although I would not touch their statue because God has not required of me to do a thing against it. God is mighty and will take care of these things Himself, in the case with Gideon God had a purpose in it, the same as with the prophet Elijah, but one stupid statue doesn’t strike fear in me or in any of God’s people, time is short on God’s calendar and in the end I know who is the Victor! These lost souls look ridiculous and have no idea what they are doing messing with these things, sad really! And I don’t believe it would make them sad if someone were to destroy this godless statue, they are wanting to provoke people to anger as they harbor anger themselves, this is nothing more than if you can have your ten commandments by gollie we can have our satanic statue, acting like little children is all this is.

        • Names_Stan

          >>”time is short on God’s calendar and in the end I know who is the Victor!”<>”These lost souls look ridiculous”<<

          I ask this often of exclusivist Christians but I've never had a good answer:

          If the vast majority of souls are "lost", how will God be able to claim "Victory" in the end?

          Everyone I know following Eternal Torture theology really believes evil wins big in the end. They're just okay with it, because THEY get to heaven.

          • Josey

            the only answer I have for you is God has given us a choice to serve Him willingly or not and be redeemed since the fall of man thru Adam when Adam was not deceived and followed his wife over God. God made Adam first and Adam wasn’t deceived by the lies of satan and chose his wife over God when Adam being the head of his wife had the authority to throw that lying serpent out of the garden God gave to him but because Adam gave into his wife over satan, satan
            was given this fallen world thru Adam and satan waged a war on God, Satan hates and is jealous of the love God has for each human being. And satan wants to take as many human souls from God as he can because God loves us so much and satan is madder than a hornet towards God and it hurts God’s heart to lose even one soul and satan knows this. Satan a created being wanted to be God as spoken of
            In Isaiah 14″12
            16 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
            14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
            he temporarily gort the upper hand and became the god of this fallen world but God knowing the end from the beginning had in place a second plan, a perfect plan thru Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross so those who are willing can choose redemption for all eternity. We have no excuses, we all have a choice and spending eternity with God in peace, love and security sounds much better than following satan to eternal separation from a loving and merciful God. I’ve heard many say, “what kind of choice is that?” Well, just think about that for a min. and you tell me which sounds better. I can tell you right now that satan hates you and wants you to spend eternity separated from our loving creator and he knows there is no redemption for him or his devils that follow him and there are many in hell right now that would if they could come back to tell you what I’m saying is the truth but it’s too late for them so you choose which side you want to be on, Christians already know who the Victor is, the Creator of all.

          • Names_Stan

            Thanks, and I’m already very familiar with the theology of exclusivism.

            It’s just a problem of logic and intellectual honest to call it “Victory” or a “Perfect Plan” if proponents of this have God losing in the end.

            Years ago I decided God was far greater…FAR greater than the preachers I was raised on gave Him credit for. And yet as time has passed, fundamentalists continue to exclude even more souls out of their version of heaven. (Even each other, over some inane point or another.)

            The question remains: if Satan was challenged to “win as many as he can”, and he ends up with 70, 80, 97 percent (depending on who you ask) of all creation, how are we not easily calling him the winner?

            The only answer for the question is that God needs souls with no ability to think for themselves, so he “wins” by taking the few who will be heavenly “robots”. This answer is possible. But why create Angels if God needed thousands of years of testing for human robots?

            The very fiber of our created selves is our brains. Our ability to be social, to discern, to debate and reason and serve others. This is recognized scripturally in every Patriarch, prophet and evangelist.

            Paul even faced down Peter, the foundation of the church, and usurped him as the actual founder of Christianity in many ways.

            The whole bible is about change. Change from God’s initial thoughts, to the eventual actual judgment or decision He makes.

            Yet fundamentalists have hijacked God from all others, and turned Him into their own brand of fraternity pledge chairman. A chairman that wouldn’t impart wisdom or forgiveness, unless the pledges EARN it.

            And see, there’s the real contradiction. Because fundamentalists claim to be “Sola Gracia”…but it’s just not true. They had to abandon REAL Sola Gracia, because it doesn’t allow them the authority to decide on earth, who exactly gets in the fraternity.

            In short, the entire theology is intellectually dishonest, and can only be scripturally “proven” with Exegesis Gymnastics”.

          • Josey

            Jesus gave the answer as to who gets into Heaven, doesn’t matter what man says or the interpretation they give, you have to be a berean, someone who searches out what God says in His word to see if the man of God preaching is keeping in context with the written word of God.
            John 14:514 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. Jesus also said in John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. There is only one way to Heaven and God’s word is consistent in it and that is through faith in Jesus Christ as the Messiah, He who was and is and is to come. That choice is left up to each person whether or not to believe God’s word. BTW. I am not a mindless robot because I believe God’s word is truth and life for my spirit, soul and body. I make choices daily. I’d say I was a mindless robot before I welcomed Christ into my heart, I was mindlessly lost wondering from day to day with no hope.

          • Names_Stan

            A) John’s gospel is a later evolution of Christianity than either Paul or the Synoptic gospels. It records Jesus as being concerned with “belief”.

            The others don’t have Him discussing that requirement, or Himself much at all. His concern is the Kingdom of God. A person who is living and sitting at dinner with you doesn’t need to ask you to “believe” he exists. If he is doing miracles on his travels, he doesn’t need you to “believe” his connection to God.

            This is the best evidence that John’s gospel of theology, placing many “I am” statements into Jesus, came from a later sect. As you probably know, many church fathers argued against its inclusion, on the basis of John being used by Gnostic sects for many years leading up to choosing the canon.

            B) Which leads me to the main fallacy of your point:

            >>”There is only one way to Heaven and God’s word is consistent in it and that is through faith in Jesus Christ as the Messiah. That choice is left up to each person”<<

            Until maybe the 17th or 18th century, mankind on a global scale had no luxury to worry about theology contests. That's:
            1) 1700 years of simple faith, limited to mostly western Europe, informed by mainly the RC and EO churches, when there was clergy at all.
            2) Billions more who never heard the message at all.

            Neither of these groups had the view we have today. They had absolutely no ability to "search out the word". They only knew what they knew, purely by benefit of the geography they were born in.

            Believe me, I understand the human desire to need salvation to be a theology contest. Humans by nature want earn their way. Christians are no different. It's entirely fair to say that although they may say, "I don't deserve salvation", reader comments all over the internet show different. They show a spirit of pride in being right, and consequently earning God's favor.

            But it just doesn't stand to reason that God would distribute Grace on the basis of something that hardly anybody even had access to for 1500+ years after the resurrection.

            I submit that for those 1500+ years, salvation had to be granted by REAL grace. Not pretend "I deserve it because I know my bible" grace. That kind of grace wasn't even introduced until the 1700's.

            And lastly, the claim that the bible is "consistent" in salvation theology is one I used to make passionately. But the more I read on my own, without the harmonizing cross-references, the more obvious it became that isn't true.

            The best and easiest example may be the differences in theology between I & II Thessalonians. The second book is likely not authored by Paul, because the theology found there was later than his time. By the time of II Thes' authorship, the immediate hope of the coming (found in the first book) had waned. So it was attempt to explain (under Paul's name) that indeed everyone who lived in his generation HAD died, the opposite of what Paul expected.

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust


        • Scott Wright

          ok soooo. lets look at this again, instead of trying to hear what i am saying you attack my spelling and then assume (judge) that i am an atheist. well i am not . i am also not a Jew so i don’t spell G_d like that either, you really don’t know me at all or my relationship with God. heck for all you know i am just a really bad speller. stop being pedantic and listen to the spirit of the message. your aggression towards others and others beliefs is a very tell tale sign of you true understanding of Gods will. the moment you decide to “act” is the same moment that you removed God from the equation. you “good, self-righteous, pious Christians” are truly unbelievers if you think that God needs your help with this in any way shape or form. your judgement of me and your assumption that i am an atheist because i did not use the big G also tells me that you have a lot of pride. your pride and your judging of others will be your downfall. its time to get ready for bigger things and if you cant get out of the online BS arguments and get yourself right you will be the sad one. you dont have to reply or defend youself, if you want to just ponder what i am trying to tell you that is ok, absorb the message that God has for you in these words. because ALL things are done by God’s will so this message is because he wanted you to hear it. don’t give a man made “ANYTHING” give you fear, don’t let a statue of any creature put fear in your heart. it has as much power over you as you allow it to have. you are worried and focused on some chunk of rock, surely God wonders why you are drawn to it.

    • Psygn

      It was a Christian who claimed to be possessed by Satan.

  • jennylynn

    And I heard the angel of the waters saying, Righteous art Thou, who art and who was, O Holy One, because Thou didst judge these things; for they poured out the blood of saints and prophets and Thou hast given them blood to drink. They deserve it.
    Revelation 16:5-6

    And I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small ,, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened whch is the book of life; and the dead were judged according to their deeds.
    and the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. And death and hadess were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. AND IF ANYONES NAME WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, HE WAS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
    REVELATION 16:11-15

    • tony gooden

      Amen !!!!

  • prodigilson

    Oh, so NOW you’re upset over erecting religious monuments on public land. Hypocrites.

    • Nidalap

      ::Shrugs:: And now, you are not…

      • Joe Soap

        As long as everyone gets one I don’t care. But you want exclusive use for yourselves. What’s the matter? Can’t handle a little competition?

  • Josey

    I am thankful in my small town there is as huge cross that says, ‘Jesus Saves’, now there was a group that doesn’t have anything to do with this town or even this state that wanted the cross removed and thankfully they lost their case. These “satanists who are unveiling this baphomet statue had to keep it all secret as to where the location was, keep it in the dark just as anything done in satan’s kingdom is done in the dark. One thing about a pitch black night is you can light one small candle and the light from it will shine very far, you’ll see a lot and the darkness will flee, just one small light. I think they did this all in secret for fear of many Christians showing up and lighting up the darkness these lost souls want in this world, satan is laughing at them because as they do his bidding and when he’s finished using them he will drag them to hell where his final destination will be, sad really that they have no idea what they are messing with. Remember one little light will light up and drive away the pitch black darkness.

  • Bertha Warren

    Revelation 20: 14 Lake Of Fire.

  • Mircury119

    America was founded and built on Christian principals as repeatedly seen in our history over and over again. The ten commandments is a cultural monument to our history and faith almost as inseparable as our flag is from our country. It should be proudly displayed anywhere. “If the Treaty of Tripoli is correct, and the United States was not ‘founded on the Christian religion,’ then someone forgot to tell the American people… The idea that the United States is a ‘Christian nation,’ has always been central to American identity.”

    • Joe Soap

      Doesn’t matter what America was founded on. Doesn’t mean you own it. Others have exactly the same rights you do. If you wish to place monuments to your god others can do precisely the same for theirs.

      BTW America was “founded” by the indigenous indians who were their first.. Remember them? I don’t think a single one of them was Christian. So maybe you should be worshipping the great spirit and looking forward to going to the happy hunting ground.

  • Psygn

    America, Freedom of Religion.

  • Josey

    God is greater than statues and yes this is another sign of the times that crime, weird weather patterns, evil triumphing for a short time which is being ramped up quickly, fighting in the political arena is a waste of time, preach the gospel of Christ when and where you can w/out fear. The Holy Spirit will give you the words to say. God bless.
    He is the Almighty, Creator of all and nothing is too hard for Him. His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. I keep hearing in my heart this scripture: 2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. Rejoice brothers and sisters, Christ’s return is soon and we will rest from our labours.

  • Christian Elder

    I assume they are welcome members of the demoncrat party.

  • Equeslover

    Beyonce should be proud and all her cohorts as they daily parade around in costumes giving glory to this god…devil signs one eye, eye of Osiris, baphomet horns..just watch the last superbowl she marched around in…exact portrayal…music is lucifers tool..

  • Nidalap

    “Non-theistic Satanists”, huh? Talk about your inability to commit! 🙂

  • Joe Soap

    You christians should be careful what you wish for. You’re not the only “faith” on this planet. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  • tony gooden

    this is not what evil looks like. Remember satan / Lucifer was the beautiful angel. and the rest of the fallen are angels. It is the fact that they are deceivers and get people to sin by way of tricking people into it. If something looked like that no one would sin.. you do not drink dirty water and don’t eat food the looks gross or nasty. Nor would you sin if not from a ugly things sort as this. I think this is a misconception of people forgetting they are still Angels.. If you make everyone see you re bad you are bad. if you make yourself look great people will follow you.. But if you deceive people and gain trust they will follow you into hell.. Do you all understand my conception in what i am trying to say??? I can’t biblicly back what i am saying but to me this make complete sense.

    • “It is the fact that they are deceivers and get people to sin by way of tricking people into it.”

      “Fact?” Facts require objective evidence and in the realm of “angels,” there is none.

  • Basically, the intention of the Satanic Temple is educational. The entire program is designed to shine a light on the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of our secular Constitution and to test the parameters of the public’s’ understanding of equality under the law, its understanding of free speech, and to demonstrate the level of intolerance in the Christian community to the Constitution and to other beliefs.

    They do not believe in a living god or “Satan.”
    Here is a quote I placed at the forefront of a novel I wrote several years ago:

    Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must approve
    the homage of reason rather than of blindfolded fear. (Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, 10 Aug. 1787, Lower case “g” in “god” retained)

  • jcdfms

    In the Bible it says that when the Philistines captured the Ark of the covenant, they put it next to the statue of their demi God. their statue kept falling and breaking. Then the people got hemerroids and a lot of other sicknesses came on them.They eventually returned the Ark to a Jewish tribe. I don’t remember where this is in the bible, but I know I read it in the bible. If the satanic statue is placed in the same area as anything of God Get ready because we might be seeing some wrath from above.

  • Desjay Desjay

    It figures that Christians would completely miss the point of putting up the statue in the first place.

    It was put up to show Christians how annoying Christians are, sticking statues and crosses and the 10 commandments everywhere, then whining and crying when they laws that THEY GET PASSED, are laws that allow ALL RELIGIONS, NOT JUST CHRISTIANITY, to put up displays.

    You Christians wanted this, because you INSIST on having symbols of YOUR religion plastered everywhere, and the law allowing religious displays isn’t for CHRISTIANS ONLY.
    Every other religion has a right to display their holy symbols as well.

    You guys NEVER get that through your skulls that if you DEMAND that your religion gets to be on display somewhere, that you’re also demanding that other religions can display there as well. It’s in the consitution.

  • Karl Mamer