Presidential Hopefuls Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee Praise ‘Pope’ as ‘Proclaimer of Truth’

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WASHINGTON — Republican presidential hopefuls Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee offered words of praise and support for the Roman Catholic pontiff known as Francis this week as he landed in the United States for a six-day visit.

On Wednesday, a piece penned by Cruz was featured in The Federalist lauding that “[i]n an era when many global leaders are descending to relativism, Pope Francis continues to proclaim the truth.” He extolled the religious leader for his positions on life, family and the persecuted.

“[T]his week presents an historic and a hopeful moment for the nation. Pope Francis is visiting the United States. In stark contrast to media elites and national leaders smothering the truth of life, marriage, and religious liberty, Pope Francis has unabashedly stood for these primary gifts to humanity,” he wrote.

Cruz opined that media outlets would seek to distract the American public “with anything they can to make the pope’s visit divisive.”

“Indeed, there are policy discussions to be had on issues like the environment and U.S. relations with communist countries such as Cuba. These distinctions are important, but let us not forget what we have in common and what this leader of the Church brings to America as a gift to us—his care for the family and his heart of mercy for the most vulnerable,” he stated.

Cruz also expressed his desire for the pontiff to serve as an inspiration to Americans.

“In this Year of Mercy, may Pope Francis’s example inspire us to treat all with charity, pray for those who are persecuted, and speak out for those without a voice,” he said. “It is an honor to meet a man who has lived the faith so selflessly. I thank Pope Francis for his service to God and to the world, and I hope during his visit we are each reminded of our call to see every person with the eyes of Christ.”

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On Monday, Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee chastised Barack Obama for including open homosexuals on his guest list for the pope while likewise speaking favorably of the Roman Catholic pontiff.

“Bring the best and most faithful Catholics you can—people who would give their right arm to be able to meet his holiness,” he told Fox’s Megyn Kelly. “I’m not Catholic, but I have great respect for the Catholic Church and for the pope, and when he comes to America, it’s only fitting that we put out the very best kind of welcome possible…”

When Kelly asked Huckabee if Obama might be seeking to present an opportunity to expose Francis to different views, Huckabee said a summit would be a better setting for such a desire, but even then it would still be questionable.

“I’m not sure that President Obama needs to school and lecture Pope Francis on Catholic doctrine and why he’s wrong. Last time, I checked, it’s the pope who is supposed to lecture Christians, not the other way around,” Huckabee continued. “Unless Obama now has decided that he really has a greater depth of theology and a better understanding of Scripture than the pope himself…”

Last year, Huckabee joked to reporters that “[m]aybe we should run the pope for president.”

But in a post this week asking whether the pope should be “praised or exposed,” Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries said that it is dangerous to extol those who preach false doctrine.

“Instead of praising him this week, we should be exposing the pope for being a pawn of the devil. Some may think I am unloving and harsh for saying this but the truth must be told for the sake of those who are being deceived,” he wrote. “The gospel the apostles preached was salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone according to Scripture alone for the glory of God alone. The pope’s gospel is salvation by sacraments, good works, law keeping and participating in the offering of a false Christ on Catholic altars.”

Gendron, a former Roman Catholic who now leads an evangelistic ministry to reach Catholics, said he hoped Christians would use the pontiff’s visit to preach the truth of God’s word.

“I have great compassion for the precious Catholic souls who are where I was for many years of my life—believing I was in the one true Church, but unknowing deceived and destined for the eternal fires of Hell,” he said. “The nature of deception is that people do not know they are deceived until they are confronted with the truth. It is my prayer that every blood bought Christian will faithfully proclaim the true gospel to Catholics this week.”

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  • Names_Stan

    “Mike Gendron of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministries said that it is dangerous to extol those who preach false doctrine. Instead of praising him this week, we should be exposing the pope for being a pawn of the devil.”

    I’m wondering how far down the calling list they had to go before finding some no-name dude to trash the pope.

    As to Cruz & Huckabee, if their names on Christian News headlines can’t get em one comment in four hours, that’s proof enough they’ve already reached irrelevance as candidates.

  • Trisha Herom



      • Bret

        I am a 56 year old born-again Christian of 29 years. I consider myself to be an independent minded evangelical who has been forced by circumstance to think for myself. And oh boy….do I see earthshaking monumental ginormous problems with the Catholic Church, the Protestant churches especially the Charismatics and with the Bible itself, especially the New Testament after the gospels. I know you are intelligent reasonable man howbeit a conservative. I can’t make heads nor tails of Vatican II. And the two Catholic laypersons and two Catholic priests I have talked to on the internet seem even more confused about Catholic doctrine than I am. Either that or they are speaking another language, Catholicese. My question is, as a Protestant does the Roman Catholic Church “officially” recognize me as an equally saved heaven-bound fellow Christian or not. Yes or No answer only please. And secondly, do most Catholics actually believe or adhere to the positions stated in Vatican II?

        • FoJC_Forever

          Catholics aren’t Christians. Their recognition means nothing before the Throne of God.

          • Kimberly Rock

            Absolutely… I was pretty confused by the question…

          • Josey

            yes those two commenter’s one bread and name-stan cause confusion wilfully and seem to be working together to do so on this site.

        • I am a 67 year old born-again Christian who joined the RCC in 2001, so I can understand how you might be confused. I certainly was until I began studying the actual doctrines of the RCC and read books by former Evangelicals who had converted.

          I can’t give you a “yes or no” answer. Insofar as you depend entirely on Jesus’ redemptive death, you are saved. However, He also said

          John 6:53 King James Version (KJV)

          “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.”

          Space does not permit me to explain how this was emphatically NOT a metaphorical statement, I can only say that the Eucharist is the means by which Catholics (not just Roman ones) obey this command. Whether one is saved while disdaining the Lord’s Supper is not my decision to make. That’s up to you to decide. But I can refer you to numerous explanations of our doctrine that would clarify this for you.

          In response to your second question, the answer is a qualified “yes,” but without knowing which positions are problematic for you I can’t address it more detail. I hope that helps.

        • On more careful consideration, I need to add to my response to your first question. My opinion of your salvation is my own, not necessarily the RCC’s.

          The Protestant doctrine of “sola fide” is entirely subordinate to the doctrine of “sola scriptura” since the Catholic church’s soteriology (doctrine of salvation) is based not only on scripture but on the earliest writings of the Church which Protestants seem to avoid. I guess you can say that Catholic theology doesn’t lend itself to stark “black or white” decisions. Part of my reason for leaving Protestantism was this “either/or” mentality that resulted in increasing divisions among themselves. I could not believe that Jesus intended His Church to be subject to that much disunity. Again, just my opinion.

        • Names_Stan

          I’m not RC, but my understanding is:

          Technically, VII said “hey, Catholics are the best.”
          But then it immediately says that others have it right in varying degrees. They claim no special reward to my knowledge, and certainly don’t deny others’ salvation.

          All the RCC people that I know don’t see salvation quite the same way a fundamentalist evangelical does. Therefore they don’t put themselves in a position of “recognizing” your salvation.

          They would say that isn’t their place. As an Anglican I say it’s not mine either. Fundamentalists are different. They tell me at least once a week on these boards that I’m going to hell.

          Lucky for me, they don’t hold the authority over my destiny. And I personally believe God may have a real issue with the kind of pride it takes to hold oneself up as God.

          I know of no Catholics who would place themselves in that judgement seat.

          As to Vatican II, yes, many of the tenets are very widely followed. (For example, you’d probably have to look pretty hard to find a priest with his back to the congregants, celebrating a Latin mass.)

          However, VII didn’t nullify any previous Councils either, to the best of my knowledge. It was mainly statements on pluralism of a kind, and modernizing worship, the liturgy and certain regalia.

          • bret

            I appreciate your response but it doesn’t help much. And I disagree with your assessment that Catholics don’t deny other’s salvation. For us evangelicals salvation is by faith….and faith alone!!! If you tell that to a devout Roman Catholic what would they say? I have spied on several Catholic websites to see what they were saying about us evangelicals. When I find such the typical comment goes something like this. “They are not true Christians, they are just fans of Jesus looking for an easy ticket to heaven.” As far as your or anyone else’s salvation is concerned we are not holding ourselves up as God. We are holding up the scriptures and the Spirit for those of us who are convinced beyond any shadow of doubt. The others should remain silent but often do not. There is only one test of genuine saved heaven-bound Christian status….the possession of the Holy Spirit. If you possess the Spirit you are saved. If you don’t you are not. As a general rule of thumb most people who possess the Spirit are aware of it but there may be a few exceptions. And with the exception of the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit….I am 100% positive of the, “once saved always saved” doctrine. What do devout Catholics say to that? Refer to: (Romans 8:9) (Romans 8:14-16) (Ephesians 1:13-14) NIV.

          • Tassieo

            Bless you for your comment regarding “once saved always saved”, I too believe this. As a wise Christian lady said to me one time, “Jesus cannot turn His back on Himself”. PTL

          • You statement about Catholic websites strikes me as odd. I don’t believe I have EVER heard a reasonable Catholic say that someone else wasn’t “saved.” If that is happening I will defend the Evangelical faith just as vigorously as I do the Catholic faith here. For me, it’s all about unity in the body of Christ and that isn’t going to happen if we can’t respect one another. Please give me a URL (and be careful, the anti-spam filters will kick you out if you use a real URL. I say things like christiannews dot net).

          • bret

            The only Catholic website I recall seeing such comments on was the Crux website. You need to go there when they have a story about evangelicals. I didn’t mean to imply that such negative comments were commonplace but when I saw them they seem to reflect my previous statement. Also I don’t remember reading any positive posts either. But in fairness there is no comparison to the anti-Catholic flavor of the comments one finds here and on the Charisma News Network. As I am sure you are already well aware.

          • If someone embraced a faith that he or she did not consider “the best” it would be the rankest hypocrisy. I respect the Evangelical point of view even if I can’t embrace it. (I used to embrace it but found something I now believe to be “the best.”)

            I am disappointed that there is not more effort to find common ground with each other on this board, but it may be that it only attracts people who like to bicker. I can certainly be that way some times. God forgive me.

            Thank you for your thoughtful comment.

          • Names_Stan

            Thank you as well!

            I enjoy the occasional bicker myself, but the main reason I comment is to help prevent the 19th & 20th century invention of Christianity from pretending to speak for all.

            Even in post-Reformation Britain, Catholics and Protestants didn’t pretend the other didn’t exist. That’s what I see in much of American fundamentalism. Even the headlines on these sites assume fundamentalist ownership of the entire religion.

            Blanket statements like “Christians want” or “Christians say” this or that infer that they own the brand and have it trademarked. Everyone else, well we aren’t “real Christians™”.

            Then there are the commenters who need to reinforce their claimed certainty by pretending they know from a few comments who’s “in” and who’s “out” by the authority of God.

            For them God’s favor rests on a theology contest, where the losers (and there are billions of losers by their scoring system) only get to look forward to unending torture…while they get to look forward to witnessing that torture from ringside seats.

            And to think these folks still sing “Victory in Jesus”, while we wonder how the redemption of only a few is any kind of win. No matter what words they use, by any actual scorekeeping, Hell wins in a blowout in their theology.

          • bret

            I believe you may be labor under a false assumption. This is a website for Bible-thumpers. The Charisma News Network is for Spirit-thumpers. I never see people from here on Charisma or visa versa. Even though both websites are designed exclusively for a Protestant clientele. The Missions Statement of this website reads as follows, “The Christian News Network provides up-to-date news and information affecting the Body of Christ worldwide from an UNCOMPROMISING BIBLICAL worldview. Our objective is to present the news with the word of God as our lens and to bring to light what is hid in the darkness.” To this website and the overwhelming majority of it’s clientele that means Protestant. You are on foreign soil. When I go on Catholic websites I almost never post anything. I feel totally out of place. I feel like I would have to take on the entire forum.

            Which would often prove difficult as much of the time I haven’t got a clue what people are talking about. For they often speak in Catholicese. The Catholic Church has been around so long and has developed so much Church doctrine if one is not well educated in Catholic theology and terminology one finds themselves at a loss. You have the benefit of both Evangelical and Catholic backgrounds so you can be a switch-hitter. But as your avatar states you are a Bible believing Catholic so I imagine you may feel more at home on websites like this than on Catholic ones. Even as a Protestant if I spoke my mind here I too would be attacked. I believe the New Testament contains parts of more than one gospel. And that the seeds of both Catholicism and Protestantism were sown from the very beginning even before any scriptures were ever put to paper.

            That’s all I’ll say about that for now. And I’ll be lucky if I get away with that much. People here, like every other website I visit, Christian or secular, are there to thump their long-stating beliefs and have others reinforce them. Otherwise one is either a troll or an outsider who is considered fair-game and attacked sometimes in a most brutal fashion. Human nature. In my opinion, civil discourse in America is a thing of the past. Everyone has long since made up their minds on their beliefs and the issues and nothing is going to change that with a few exceptions. But there are some forums within the DISQUS channel that are heavily moderated and can sometimes be a place of civility. But they are relatively small, often one-sided and loaded with atheists. I see you only visit Christian News and Charisma News. And if your desire is to have conversation with a large numbers of non-Catholic believers you are indeed where you should be.

          • It is and I am. Thanks.

        • Tassieo

          I am a Born Again Christian, have been for about 30yrs. My understanding is that with the Catholic Religion all who are not Catholics won’t go to heaven. They also say that Jesus is returning for the Catholic Church. Where that is in the Bible I don’t know. What I do know is that Jesus is returning for His Church (made up of Born Again, Spirit Filled Christians). I hope this is of help to you. PTL

  • FoJC_Forever

    The pope doesn’t serve God. He serves a pagan religion masquerading as Christianity. These two politicians are just trying to win the religious vote.

    It is foolish to believe that multi-millionaires, multi-billionaires, and trillionaires actually care about people in the lower financial classes. They put on a public show, but the very nature of their desire for wealth belies their stated claims of mercy and generosity.

    The catholic “church” is worth trillions, controls vast amounts of other resources, and has substantial influence in political and financial circles. Their public displays toward the poor and needy are just what Jesus condemned, and people still fall for it, just like they did back then.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

    • Mike Huck


      • FoJC_Forever

        Mike Huck is a flamer and troll. More than likely another username of someone who is already active on this comment board.

    • Mike Huck


      • FoJC_Forever

        This is a lie. You work in tandem with Dave_L to spread lies about people. You will suffer for your lies.

        • Josey

          we need to keep flagging these trolls who come on this site and say such things which if they read the by lines of commenting here would know that their comments will be deleted.

          • FoJC_Forever

            An ignore option would be great.

          • Josey

            Yes, you are correct and I am learning who to ignore for their endless repeated questions when you answer them goes on and on if I allow it and all it does is cause confusion which I am guessing is their reason for being here in the first place, they show they are not here to exalt Christ or encourage others in Christ but to cause confusion where every evil work is being done.

    • jennylynn

      Yea, and he tells us to open the doors to immigrants like we haven’t while he builds a huge wall around the Vatican that women aren’t even aloud in to enter. The hypocrisy!

      • Martin Gran

        “He builds a huge wall around the Vatican that women aren’t even allowed to enter!” Please site your source and make sure sure that it is not your own imagination!

  • FoJC_Forever

    Looks like the pope’s internet henchmen and women are hard at work too.

  • Mike Huck


  • Reason2012

    So Mary was also conceived without original sin just like Christ? Please read your Bible – even Mary admitted she needed a savior just like anyone else.

    “And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
    Luke 1:46-47

    • That’s not a definitive argument.

      First, she didn’t refer to Jesus as her savior since she only knew at that point that his named would be Jesus, not that he would become the Savior.

      Second, the Jewish scriptures with which she would have familiar refer to God as savior in many passages, the most notable being Isaiah 43:11

      “I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me.”

      Verses 46-55 (commonly known as The Magnificat) speak of the God of Israel and the great deeds he HAS DONE. The idea that she might be referring to the Messiah yet to come is unsupported by the verse you site.

      I have read my Bible, thanks.

      • Reason2012

        Hello. I didn’t say she said Jesus was her savior. The only point is this: if she was not born with original sin, she would not need a savior – but she did point out that she needed a savior.

        To try to pretend Mary or anyone else was somehow conceived without original sin, while Jesus needed the Holy Spirit to conceive Him in a womb of a virgin in order to be without original sin is nothing short of blaspheming God and completely unbiblical.

        Yes, the Pharisees read the scriptures more than anyone. It’s not head knowledge that saves or that leads people to God’s truth: it’s the indwelling Holy Spirit. But if someone or a denomination is violating scripture and can’t even see it, that’s not a good sign, which again is why we should read His Word yet again – we never stop.

        “But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

        Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

        But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
        1 Corinthians 2:10-14

        Hope this helps. I’m nothing and cannot convince anyone of anything and am as much deserving of_hell as anyone. Thank you for posting!

        • Jim H

          I don’t care either way, but I have to wonder about why, if God can do anything, why couldn’t He have Mary born without original sin?

          • Reason2012

            Hello. He could have, but He would have said so if He did. But the catholic denomination is yet again unbiblical in elevating Mary to the point of worship and making her somehow born without a sin nature is just one more unbilblical way they’ve elevated her.

            And consider, why couldn’t God have had all of us born without original sin?

            So the problem is we need a savior, just like Mary did, and God has sent us salvation in the person of Christ Jesus.

          • Jim H

            “He could have, but He would have said so.”
            Why? True, or not true, It changes nothing.

          • Reason2012

            If it “really matters very little”, then why do you have to call others “wackos” over it? Your actions contradict your words: it clearly means everything to you. You speak of being against condemnation, but hatefully call everyone “wackos” who believe the Bible instead. Again, your actions contradict your words.

            “Part of the body of Christ” would not make up doctrines that are contrary to the Word of God.

            “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
            Matthew 7:21-23

            Many who consider themselves “part of the body of Christ” will be cast out – what chance have people got that will not believe what the Bible says and instead make up claims that are contrary to it?

            It’s going to be God we will have to convince things contrary to His Word was true and that His Word was wrong on the issue.

          • Jim H

            ‘If it “really matters very little”, then why do you have to call others “wackos” over it? Your actions contradict your words: it clearly means everything to you.’

            You speak of being against condemnation, but hatefully call everyone “wackos” who believe the Bible instead. Again, your actions contradict your words.

            A little on the sensitive side are we? A wacko is defined by Webster as someone who is “whacky”. Wacky, in turn, is defined as “amusing and very strange”.

            That hardly describes something that means everything to me or something I care enough to be hateful and condemning about. It simply means I find all the hub-bub you make over it amusing and I find it very strange that you would make (and are making) such a big deal out of it.

            “Part of the body of Christ” would not make up doctrines that are contrary to the Word of God.

            The point of that statement was you are willing to amputate a limb over a minor problem. Metaphors and analogies aren’t your forte, are they?

            “Many who consider themselves “part of the body of Christ” will be cast out – what chance have people got that will not believe what the Bible says and instead make up claims that are contrary to it?”

            If the Bible says nothing about something how can a claim about that thing be contrary to it?

            “It’s going to be God we will have to convince things contrary to His Word was true and that His Word was wrong on the issue.”

            His Word doesn’t say anything on the issue.

        • The Faith I confess is laid out in great detail in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and to cut and paste the relevant passages here would be too cumbersome. You have access to it online and I would expect someone with your open-mindedness to examine it for yourself. The Catechism explains the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception in paragraphs 490-493.

          Since I reject the relatively modern and novel doctrine of “sola scriptura,” you and I can’t really have a dialog based solely on your interpretation of Scripture. In mathematics, theorems are built upon previously proven theorems and the entire edifice is considered sound by that means. Catholic theology is very similar, being grounded in Aristotelian (St. Thomas Aquinas) and Neo-Platonic (St. Augustine of Hippo) philosophy. This is in stark contrast to Protestant theology which is based on a surface reading of texts originally deemed canonical by the Catholic Church.

          The earliest doctrines were axiomatic in that they were reflections of the existing universal practice of the faith by the first-century Church. To approach a doctrine like this one without recourse to the Apostolic and Patristic texts, as well as the encyclicals based on them is simplistic. It isn’t reasonable to reject the validity of a modern doctrine because it seems to go against your understanding. That is tantamount to denying a theorem in mathematics because it seems counter intuitive.

          My rebuttal to your original post suffers from that same oversimplification and I can’t defend it further. If you would be willing to discuss this matter on the basis of Catholic theology we can continue. Otherwise it makes as much sense as a hammer condemning a banana for being fruit and not a tool.

    • Jim H

      Not just like Christ. He was conceived without original sin because he wasn’t conceived through the normal process by which original sin is transmitted. In theory, Mary was born the normal way but got a special dispensation.

      I’m amazed that religious wackos make such a fuss over such silly theological/doctrinal points. Do you worry about how many angels can dance on the head on a pin as well?

      • Reason2012

        Yes, God is showing us that to be born without original sin, one must be conceived of a virgin in some supernatural way via the Holy Spirit. To then claim Mary was also born without original sin is nowhere in the Bible and again is just anti-Christ doctrine.

        If it’s such a “silly” idea, why does it illicit such hate in your heart you need to call others “wackos” for pointing out nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone else was born without original sin? Why do you need to believe something the Bible never says and ignore the Bible on this issue?

        • Jim H

          “To then claim Mary was also born without original sin is nowhere in the Bible and again is just anti-Christ doctrine.”

          The Bible also never once says that Jesus went to the bathroom. Is it anti-Christ doctrine to say he did?

          “If it’s such a “silly” idea, why does it illicit such hate in your heart you need to call others “wackos” for pointing out nowhere in the Bible does it say anyone else was born without original sin?

          It doesn’t illicit hate in my heart. As I said I think it is silly to be so divisive that you need to make a big deal out of it. I consider a “wacko” someone who makes a big deal of something that really isn’t that important As for as the Bible is concerned, see my previous response.

          “Why do you need to believe something the Bible never says and ignore the Bible on this issue?”

          Actually I don’t believe it, but I don’t care if anyone else does. I just don’t see it as very important in the scheme of things.

          • Jesus never mentioned the Higgs boson. Does that mean He was not all-knowing?

          • Jim H

            I think the Bible also never mentions Jesus eating meat and he even only eats fish post-resurrection. Some have said this means Jesus was a vegetarian and likely an Essene. I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion. I would just assumes it just never says anything about it.

          • PS, I think the word you mean is “elicit.” No offense intended.

          • Jim H

            I think you are right. I was just copying what Reason2012 wrote in his accusation towards me. I should have known better.

          • bret

            Well the way I see it….this is not found in scripture but it outta be. “He that tarrieth long bantering words with Unreasonable2012 is not wise.”

          • Jim H

            It is amusing, but not very productive.

          • bret

            Not so my friend. If you heed this advice you will save yourself much time to be “productive” elsewhere.

  • James

    Did Mike Huckabee,”openly suppor?” Or did he say he agreed with some of his statements though he is not a catholic. Actually, I see nowhere that Mike Huckabee praised the catholic doctrine! Funny if a person chastises a man for being homosexual he is an intollerent bigot, but when he acknowledges the leader of the catholic church in a non derogatory way, he is a pacifist! Yes, the catholic and Christian doctrine are fundamentally different ,and in Love we should befriend and share our freedoms with them, that we have in Christ and Christ alone!

  • Lisa

    It was Shakespeare who wrote-All the worlds a stage and all the men and woman merely players. That’s what I think of when I think politics. They have their exits and their entrances and haha their things to say. As for catholics being Christians-no it’s a different gospel.
    It seems that the woman that rides the beast is the director of plays and whether the pope is the director or another player within the beast system remains to be seen.

    • Jim H

      I’m curious, are there any protestant denomination that you don’t see as being Christian?

      • Lisa

        There does seem to be many false teachings within Christianity and a Christian needs to be discerning to not be deceived.

        • Jim H

          No opinions on which ones have false teaching, Or even which don’t?

          • Lisa

            I’ll make this easier-any church or individual Christian can believe false teaching. BUT….the catholic church is wrong all the time. Not to say that individual catholics can’t know God-they can but they wouldn’t be catholics anymore. There is no such thing as a catholic Christian. Mike Huckabee I think used to be a pastor-he should know better then to give the impression that catholics are Christians. The teaching is false and leads people away from knowing God. That’s why I say it’s a different gospel.

          • Jim H

            “….the catholic church is wrong all the time.”

            The First Council of Nicaea was the first ecumenical council of the Church. Most significantly, it resulted in the first uniform Christian doctrine, called the Nicene Creed. With the creation of the creed, a precedent was established for subsequent local and regional councils of Bishops (Synods) to create statements of belief and canons of doctrinal orthodoxy—the intent being to define unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom.

            One purpose of the council was to resolve disagreements arising from within the Church of Alexandra over the nature of the Son in his relationship to the Father: in particular, whether the Son had been ‘begotten’ by the Father from his own being, and therefore having no beginning, or else created out of nothing, and therefore having a beginning.

            Another result of the council was an agreement on when to celebrate Easter, the most important feast of the ecclesiastical calendar

            From the time of Constantine, who ordered the Nicene Council until the Reformation, the Catholic Church was Christianity.

            Catholics not only worship the same Trinitarian God as you, they defined the doctrine in its full-fledged form at the Council of Constantinople in 360 AD.[.

            Catholics not only believe Jesus was the Christ, the only begotten son of God, just as you do, they defined that doctrine art Nicaea.

            Catholics not only believe Jesus died to atone for our sins, just like you do, even the penal substitution theory of atonement developed by the Protestant Reformers, especially John Calvin, was merely a refinement of the satisfaction theory developed by Anselm of Canterbury, who was a Benedictine Monk, abbot, philosopher, and theologian of the Catholic Church, who held the office of archbishop of Canterbury from 1093 to 1109.

            If you are right that the Catholic Church is wrong all the time, then so is Protestant Christianity because most of the doctrines it accepts were developed by the Catholic Church. The Protestant reformation didn’t throw out all the doctrinal developments that occurred prior to the 16th century. It retained the vast majority of them and added three principles; Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Sola Fides”, (“only scripture, only grace, only faith”).
            However, even the Protestant “sola scriptura”, alone depends upon a Biblical canon that was settled upon by the Catholic Church at the Council of Carthage in 397.

            Martin Luther was troubled by four books, referred to as Luther’s Antilegomena: Jude, James, Hebrews, and Revelation; and though he placed them in a secondary position relative to the rest, he did not exclude them. He did propose removing them from the canon because they were perceived to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide, but this was not generally accepted among his followers. So the Protestants and Catholics still share the same New Testament canon that the Catholic Church settled.

            By the way the word “gospel” simply means “good news”, as in the good news of salvation.

          • Couldn’t have put it better myself.

          • Jim H

            Thanks. A person has a right to dislike the things about the Catholic Church. That doesn’t mean they can rewrite history.

          • bret

            Well the way I see it….we lay evangelicals don’t rewrite history. That be the job of our politicians when election season comes around.

          • Jim H

            That is sadly too true.

          • Lisa

            Well you do have to get the good news right which the catholic church does not.

            The pope, Mary worship, the eucharist, priests forgiving sins, celibate priests, rosaries, tradition above the Bible….there is a different gospel with all the added stuff that isn’t even biblical. So ya catholicism is wrong all the time.

          • Jim H

            You miss the point. The Catholic Church defined the good news. Protestants claim Sola Scriptura but rely on all sorts of Church traditions and traditional understanding of doctrine.

            For example, the word “Trinity” does not appear anywhere in the Bible. In fact, the word Trinity did not come into common use as a religious term until centuries after the last books of the Bible were completed.

            Take a look at this admission in the New Bible Dictionary:

            “The term ‘Trinity’ is not itself found in the Bible. It was first used by Tertullian at the close of the 2nd century, but received wide currency [common use in intellectual discussion] and formal elucidation [clarification] only in the 4th and 5th centuries” (1996, “Trinity”).

            That same source goes on to explain that “the formal doctrine of the Trinity was the result of several inadequate attempts to explain who and what the Christian God really is . . . To deal with these problems the Church Fathers met in [A.D.] 325 at the Council of Nicaea to set out an orthodox biblical definition concerning the divine identity.” However, it wasn’t until 381, “at the Council of Constantinople, [that] the divinity of the Spirit was affirmed” (ibid.).

            I assume you accept the traditional doctrine of the trinity, despite of your “sola scriptura”.

            Gospel is a term used over 75 times in the New Testament. While it has various nuances of meaning, it’s most fundamental meaning from the Greek is “good news.” But good news of what?

            According to the Evangelical Dictionary of Theology edited by Walter Elwell, “the gospel is the joyous proclamation of God’s redemptive activity in Christ Jesus on behalf of man enslaved by sin.”

            Regardless of what you think of the pope, Mary worship, the eucharist, priests forgiving sins, celibate priests, rosaries, or tradition above the Bible, the Catholic Church’s gospel “is the joyous proclamation of God’s redemptive activity in Christ Jesus on behalf of man enslaved by sin.”, just like yours.

          • Lisa

            No, the catholic church has a different gospel and they are leading people away from salvation. The pope said recently that you can’t have Jesus without Mary and the church. That is a lie. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Jesus. The church and Mary-not needed!

      • bret

        Well the way I see it….whatever denomination Donald Trump belongs to is definitely apostate. That fella can’t even recite one single Bible verse from memory. Also there is a option on this website’s menu bar for Apostate.

        • Jim H

          Donald Trump is religious only because a Republican candidate think they need to pander to Christians to get into office.
          We has been married three times. If I remember correctly the middle one was to Marla Maples who he got pregnant.

  • Josey

    the pope is working with those to bring in a NWO and the one world religion of the beast..It is ironic that atheist claim to bow to no god but one day they will bow down to the antichrist or they will not be allowed to buy or sell or if they become wise they will lose their heads and repent by acknowledging Christ as Lord. I do know that you do not need to go to a man to ask God for forgiveness, Jesus made the way for us to enter the Holy place for ourselves and ask for forgiveness and once we are made right with Christ through His shed blood, we can talk to God any time, anywhere we please and we can be assured that the good work He Jesus began in us He will complete.

    • Jim H

      I’m not sure why conservative Christians object so much to attempts to encourage peace and are so sure they must be nefarious attempts at world domination. It is not that I don’t understand the apocalyptic or Eschatological stuff, I’ve studied it for many years, from many different perspectives.

      I’m also familiar with New World Order conspiracy theories that are not exclusively the property of Christians and end-time prophesies. Various groups have been accused of being part of such conspiracies. They include; Freemasons, the Illuminati, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Round Table, the Open Conspiracy, New Age, Fourth Reich, Alien invasion, Brave New World

      Since the 19th century, many apocalyptic millennial Christian eschatologists, starting with John Nelson Darby, have predicted a globalist conspiracy to impose a tyrannical New World Order as the fulfillment of prophecies about the “end time” in the Bible, specifically in the Book of Ezekiel, the Book of Daniel, the Olivet discourse found in the Synoptic Gospels and the Book of Revelation.

      I have made a fairly extensive study of conspiracy theories as well and fnd it hard to take any too seriously.

      Back to Christianity and peace, In Matthew 5:9, Jesus is quoted as having said; “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.” How can condemn following Jesus’ own directive to be a peacemaker?

      • Josey

        the answer is simple, the NWO with the socialist and one world religion and their so called “peace” the pope and these elites want to establish leave the Prince of Peace out of the equation, only through Jesus Christ will true peace and a lasting peace be acquired, that is why Christians object to the NWO, the peace they promote sounds good but they cannot accomplish it apart from Christ Jesus which they want nothing to do with Him but in the end there will be peace but not before the worst tribulation the world has ever seen or known as spoken of in Revelation. Then they will see the Lamb of God victorious and wish to die and hide from Him in which they will not be able to and it will be too late for them for they took the mark of the antichrist and accepted him instead of the true King, Jesus Christ. They are rebellious against the one true God and Creator of all things and want to do things their way which isn’t their way in reality but they are following the rebellious fallen angel, lucifer or the devil’s orders, some willfully and some are just deceived into following him. (They make their own choice so don’t blame God for their decision when eternal damnation is all that is left for those who reject Christ, they have heard the gospel as we all have, God will not allow sin to enter into Heaven). So we as Christians are not against true peace that only the Prince of Peace can give.

        • Jim H

          You are essentially saying that all human attempts at peace are useless. Why then did Jesus say:

          “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God”
          -Matthew 5:9

          If God says peacemakers are blessed, how can you truthfully argue against His conclusion?

          If Jesus’ words are not enough James says:

          “For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil work will be there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.”
          -James 3:16-18

          Or there is Paul:

          “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:”
          -Hebrews 12:14

          • Josey

            all attempts at world wide peace won’t happen without Christ because those in power don’t really want peace and they certainly don’t want peace from the King of glory Jesus Christ,they want a one world religion meaning to mix all of them together or a few together when Jesus has clearly said that He alone is the Way, the Truth and the Life, you must be born again in Him, they don’t want God’s way. They want to take what you have earned and give to others w/out your consent while they keep filling up their pockets and they want to be a ruling power with us as their peons all the while they want to keep sinning against God. This is not the will of God and if you don’t get it by now, nothing else I say will make a difference, it will only be by the grace of God through His Holy Spirit to cause you to see, am done with this conversation. I answered your question, you don’t agree that is your choice, now do what you will with it, I won’t be responding to you again.

          • Jim H

            Why then does scripture encourage being peacemakers? How can you be a Christian and ignore Jesus’ own words?
            You have not come close to actually answering my question. I am not surprised if you will not respond because you can’t.

  • Jim H

    Reading many of these comments are very enlightening. It is no wonder Christianity is losing ground to the nonaffiliated. You can’t even get along with each other.

    “If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. “If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand.”
    -Mark 3:24-25

    • bret

      Well the way I see it….you need to do some research into the Protestant Reformation. Also please go to one of the many Catholic websites and sound your alarm there also. I am a 56 year old born-again Christian of 29 years. And I still can’t get a straight answer from any Catholic, priest or layperson, whether they consider me a genuine blood-washed heaven-bound coequal Christian. Meanwhile their public relations spokesperson Pope Francis is kissing the Quran and the hands of Muslim bigwigs and calling them his “brothers and sisters.” I have read the Vatican 2 about 10 times and I still can’t make heads nor tails of it. And every website I visit says something different about the say thing. And everywhere the Pope goes he is greeted by worshiping adoring crowds that seem a cross between Beatlemania and the Second Coming. And non-Christians and the secular media seem to love with him like he was Jackie Kennedy back in the 1960’s. Meanwhile when I go on the internet and politely attempt to witness to someone I am usually told to take my fundamentalist republican homophobic Christian Sharia Law buttocks and go to Hades. And I am none of those things! In Matthew 28:19 the Lord commanded us Christians to take his Gospel to the four winds of the earth. Is that what the Pope is doing? Do you not see anything wrong with the picture I just painted for you?

      • Jim H

        “you need to do some research into the Protestant Reformation.”

        What exactly do you think I need to research?

        “I have read the Vatican 2 about 10 times and I still can’t make heads nor tails of it. And every website I visit says something different about the same thing.”

        According to the Dictionary of Christianity in America [Protestant] (Downers Grove, IL: Intervarsity Press, 1990): “As of 1980 David B. Barrett identified 20,800 Christian denominations worldwide . .”
        Yeah, Protestantism is sooo much more straight forward and homogeneous.

        • bret

          What do I think you need to research you ask. In your above post you made the following statement, “You can’t even get along with each other.” I don’t know you nor your level of religious knowledge. So I suggested some research into the Protestant Reformation in the hope you would better understand why we can’t get along. That’s all I meant by my recommendation concerning research. As far as your reference to the number of Protestant denominations worldwide, my research numbers vary depending on how the term denomination is defined. But I usually go with the higher figure of 40,000. As far as straightforward and homogeneous goes. Most evangelicals do care about the divisions but not to the extent of sacrificing what we consider to be the true gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Yes division is bad but I personally would rather see 100,000 denominations than to adjoin myself to the current Roman Catholic Church. A church that I am very close to considering the apostate heretic church which many of my evangelical brethren believe to be that which was prophesied about in the Book of Revelation.

          • Jim H

            “A church that I am very close to considering the apostate heretic church which many of my evangelical brethren believe to be that which was prophesied about in the Book of Revelation.”

            I always get a chuckle when Protestants talk about things being prophesied about in the Book of Revelation, because Luther rejected the Book of Revelation:

            “To my mind it (the book of the Apocalypse) bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or prophetic character… Everyone may form his own judgment of this book; as for myself, I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it.” (ref. ammtliche Werke, 63, pp. 169-170, ‘The Facts About Luther,’ O’Hare, TAN Books, 1987, p. 203).

            Yes, I know a bit about the Protestant Reformation and the man who started it.

          • Luther also wanted to throw out the Book of James because it got in the way of “sola fide.” He compromised and put it at the end. It’s still there in the German Bible. I don’t always agree with you, Jim, but I am always challenged by your grasp of the subject.

          • Jim H

            Thank you.

          • bret

            Well the way I see it….we evangelicals always have been short on brains and manners. But we go long on the scriptures, salvation by grace through faith alone and the Great Commission. As far as intellectual depth is concerned have you never read (Matthew 11:25)?

          • Jim H

            “At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.”

            -Matthew 11:25

            I have raised two daughters and am helping raise a grandson. I’m convinced little children have more emotional depth than they get credit for, at least mine did/do.

            “No brag, just fact”
            -Walter Brennan as Will Sonnet in The Guns of Will Sonnett

  • Christian Elder

    We’ve got enough to worry about, rather than arguing doctrine with those that believe in Christ as Savior, the bottom line is dealing with those that are out and out anti-Christ – muslims, atheists, etc. Jesus said, “For he that is not against us is on our part.” Mark 9:40. Also, “… Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Luke 9:50.

  • OldArkie

    Most often those running for a political office in the United States will praise any and all false teachers in order to gain more votes. The Bible truths are not as important to them as being elected to the office they’re running for. Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz fears if they stand against the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and its pope that they would not get any votes from American Roman Catholics.

  • jennylynn

    Anyone who says the pope speaks truth tells me they don’t read the Bible. The pope is being worshiped and he allows it. Instead of pointing people to The real JESUS and preaching repentance, he goes on his political agenda leading the blind and ignorant on a slippery slope to hell.

    • Martin Gran

      And it is is more than obvious that you do not understand the Bible. When do you plan on answering my question as to why the original reformers removed 7 books from the Bible? Who gave them the authority to do so?

  • Josey

    The apostles were peacemakers, they led people to the true Messiah Jesus Christ and showed us the way to have real peace with God the Father through Jesus Christ for He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life and the only way to the Father of Heaven and earth, Salvation is through Jesus alone. Those that teach others who Jesus is and what He did for them on Calvary are true peacemakers. Those that believe on Jesus and accept Him as Lord and Saviour and are born of the Spirit become peacemakers who then share the gospel with others and help others with the Holy Spirit’s guidance and power then they become peacemakers. This is what Jesus is referring to when He says, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall see God.”