‘Church of Lucifer’ Opens in Texas Amid Protests

Lucifer-compressedSPRING, Texas — The first Texas “Church of Lucifer” opened on Friday in a small town outside of Houston and was met with a variety of protesters from both the local community and those who traveled across the country.

As previously reported, the Church of Lucifer was scheduled to hold its first meeting in Spring on October 31, opening its doors the day before.

Co-founder Jacob No, who goes by a fictitious name to protect his identity since he says that the group’s beliefs are misunderstood, told reporters that the Church of Lucifer is not Satanic.

However, some Luciferians consider themselves to be theistic and view Satan as a benevolent being and teacher. In No’s case, he said that as the word Lucifer means “morning star,” the group is a “gathering of people of like mind who seek the bearer of light or the light.”

The Church of Lucifer website acknowledges, however, that it is considered “within the scope of the occult,” and that one of its missions is “discovering who you are as your own goddess/god.”

“We worship the Complete Self. We exalt in forbidden knowledge and the paths to power,” it reads. “Without the proverbial serpent in the tree, humanity would not be the incredible creature you see in the mirror.”

No says that the services are not your typical church services and do not involve any preaching.

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“We do not have a preacher,” he told KPRC.com. “We do not have somebody saying, ‘This is the way it has to be, you have to live this way.’”

No also states that the group does not sacrifice any animals.

On Friday and Saturday, protesters took to the streets of Spring to speak against the gathering of the Luciferian group.

“We are one nation under God and Satanism is not a family value,” one large banner read.

“Life is short, death is sure, sin the cause, Christ the cure,” read another sign held outside of the small meeting place, where approximately 20 members arrived dressed in black.

“I’m here to stand against a Satanic church,” Christopher Huff of Conroe Bible Church told the Houston Chronicle.

Tim Berends of Las Vegas invited No to have lunch with him in Nevada, and some called out to the co-founder that if he were to receive Christ, “We will be the first to defend you.”

Roman Catholics also protested the opening of the church of Lucifer, with several holding a large statue of Mary or sprinkling “holy water” on the premises. One sign read, “Mary, queen of angels, crush Satan’s head.”

No told reporters that he just wants to co-exist with everyone in the community, but supports the rights of the protesters.

“We honor their right to believe what they believe and their right to protest,” he stated. “There’ll be no resistance from our end because we cherish that right ourselves.”

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  • Dave_L

    In the Bible, Lucifer (morning Star) = King of Babylon who God brought judgment against. Later some of the early church fathers began apply the metaphor to Satan and it caught on becoming a synonym for Satan. But this has no basis in Scripture and shouldn’t cause alarm.

    Following is from one of many Bible dictionaries that say basically the same thing;

    LUCIFER (Latin derivation of heilel). The morning star, epithet of Venus, a title given to the king of Babylon (Isa 14:12). The early church fathers began to apply the term to Satan in his fall from heaven. The connection is probably made because of the apocalyptic representation of Babylon as empire of the evil one, Satan.

    Major Contributors and Editors. (2012, 2013, 2014, 2015). Lucifer. In J. D. Barry, D. Bomar, D. R. Brown, R. Klippenstein, D. Mangum, C. Sinclair Wolcott, … W. Widder (Eds.), The Lexham Bible Dictionary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

  • Jake Steele

    Wow they say they are gods? Where have I heard that before? Lucifer, Copeland, Dollar, and many others….

  • It’s Spring, not Springs.

  • Adonna Smith

    I have to say the protest did look calm and peaceful for the most part…BUT I must ask this question to the protesters…Is a protest with large signs and some that were less than kind the wayJesus Christ would have approached these folks?? Those who are in deception do not know they are in deception. Jesus choose to walk among the people humbly, gently peacefully and kindly. He firmly and lovingly taught God’s ways in a way that compelled lives to change and follow Him and allowed them the choice to follow or not. He always spoke the truth in love. His harshest words were reserved for the Pharisees and Saducees who Lorded over His people and held them to a higher standard than they themselves lived up to. Flesh and blood are not our enemies as Christians. Ephesians 6:2 -2For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly place. Heavenly places!! That means warring on our knees and loving people into the kingdom and out of darkness.

    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit. We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.”
    ‭‭Galatians‬ 5:22-26

  • Alyssa Krauss

    Co-founder Jacob No, doesn’t really KNOW the truth about his beloved god, Lucifer… and his final destination…Isaiah 14:12-15 [How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.]

    • Dave_L

      In Scripture, Lucifer = the King of Babylon and not the devil or Satan. The early Church Fathers began applying the term to Satan because the Book of Revelation used Babylon metaphorically to denote Satan’s kingdom. But it is not meant this way in Isaiah. I.e., there is no warrant for linking Lucifer to Satan in Scripture.

      • Liz Litts

        You are so off!

        • Dave_L

          Do you have Scripture support? Please post anything you might have. Thanks.

        • Kandy

          He will never believe the truth.

          • Dave_L

            Please post Scripture saying Lucifer is Satan. This is not asking too much.

          • Kandy

            I would rather drink bleach than to toss pearls to the swine. I would rather drink bleach than to have your dust beneath my feet.

          • Dave_L

            Are you reflecting the fruit of the Holy Spirit? “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:22–24)

          • Kandy


          • Dave_L

            “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:” (Hebrews 12:14)

          • Kandy

            I’ll take the bleach any day.

          • Dave_L

            “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:20)

          • Kandy


          • Dave_L

            I take this as your hatred for me speaking instead of Christian love?

          • Christina Barr

            There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,”
            but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none
            other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.

            Isaiah 14:12-18
            describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King
            James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other
            Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright
            morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about
            how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12),
            it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in
            verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I
            will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the
            mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will
            ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most
            High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the
            very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God:
            “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).

            Ezekiel 28
            is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it
            begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament
            concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon
            becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind
            that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.”
            Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were
            anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently,
            Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the
            fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen
            in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21).
            Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be
            describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was
            cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and
            his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and
            beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to
            the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before
            His incarnation (Luke 10:18).

            To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated “Lucifer.” He was cast
            out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus
            referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can
            conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

          • Dave_L

            You are providing an interpretation only. Lucifer = Latin for “Morning Star”. Isaiah called Nebuchadnezzar by this name to illustrate his position. In the previous verse he said he would be eaten by maggots. So if this pertains to Satan, he was eaten by maggots well over 2000 years ago and does not exist.

            “Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers. “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!” (Isaiah 14:11–12)

            We should always interpret the less clear verses by the clear verses. If you read the entire context, Lucifer = Nebuchadnezzar.

      • Austen Ezeifedi

        There never was any king of Babylon named Lucifer. The early church Fathers do not interpret the scriptures for us. The Holy Spirit does. Thats where you completely missed it.

        • Dave_L

          Please post Scripture to support your claim. Isaiah says Lucifer was the King of Babylon;

          “That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!” (Isaiah 14:4)

          If you continue reading it connects to Lucifer;

          “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12)

          • Greg Galpin

            You’re misunderstanding how God said things to His people. The Old Testament prophets frequently shifted the focus of their prophesies from earthly to spiritual, and from near term to far. Ezekiel did the same thing in chapter 28 that Isaiah did in chapter 24.

          • Dave_L

            Any Scripture to support your claim?

          • Greg Galpin

            So when was the king of Babylon ever in Heaven (verse 12)? That sure sounds like the being that Jesus was talking about in Luke 10:18.

          • Dave_L

            When was Satan ever eaten by maggots?

            “Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers. “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!” (Isaiah 14:11–12)

      • George

        you do know that Jesus refers to him as the father of all lies, (john 8:44) so its easy to see why those who have rejected Christ can think like you do….

        • Dave_L

          Please provide Scripture references that say Lucifer is Satan.

      • Mike Knutsen

        You see, you just refuted your own argument right there. Your right, Revelation does use that as a description of Satan’s kingdom. Isaiah did mean it this way to link Lucifer to being Satan. Because otherwise it would violate this fundamental scripture:

        Isaiah 28:13
        But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, there a little; that they might go, fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

        This scripture was directly prophesying about using the NT to confer with the OT. Now obviously the NT was not around but in two verses before in Isaiah 28:11 it talks about the evidence of receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost(Acts 10:46, Acts 2:4, 1 Corinthians 14:21)

        Jesus said in Luke 10:18:

        And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

        So this connects that Satan fell and Lucifer fell, so they are one and the same. to Isaiah 28:12, where it says how art thou fallen, O Lucifer, son of the morning!

        Now to do with your mentioning Isaiah 14:4 and your claims that it says nowhere that Satan is the King of Babylon. Well, we all know that Jesus quoted quite often from the book of Isaiah. So lets take a look at Luke 11 and Matthew 12:

        Luke 11:18
        If Satan is divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.

        Matthew 12:26
        And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

        Now since you only have the one scripture referring to Lucifer as the king of Babylon. I have given you two scriptures referring to Satan/Lucifer having a kingdom. Since you only have one scripture referring to Lucifer in general, that would mean it would have to have one or two more witnesses in scripture in order for your side of the discussion to be justified. Which the two others actually support what the Bible actually says.

        Matthew 18:16-17
        16) But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
        17) And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican

        Let your life be transformed and your mind renewed, in the powerful name of the Lord Jesus Christ I pray, Amen.

        • Dave_L

          You have only interpreted Scripture in an effort to make it say something it does not. If Scripture says Lucifer is the King of Babylon, that rules out speculation. It is dangerous to add to God’s Word.

          Lucifer is not Satan. He was the King of Babylon;

          “That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!” (Isaiah 14:4)

          And if you keep reading, it leads here>>>>

          “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12)

          • Mike Knutsen

            Nope, your the one thats using circular reasoning. Which proves to me that you will use that same combination and keep using that combination without using any other scripture besides that. That proves to me that you will not endure sound doctrine and that you are commiting apostasy. If you cannot come up with any scriptures besides that one passage that you have misinterpreted. Then this discussion ends here because you cannot find any other scriptures besides one witness. Since the other scripture is referring to the actual king of Babylon of that day. I have read it all from verse 4-12, actually the entire chapter.

            Just like you said, I need more scripture than what you have to have a convincing discussion with me. Otherwise I will take your misinterpretation and not give you another moments notice. Awaiting your next reply! Hopefully with more scripture! Because as it stands i got more than you.

          • Mike Knutsen

            Lucifer was not the king of Babylon in that day……..

          • Dave_L

            Lucifer = morning star and is being used to describe the King of Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar). It is not even a person but a metaphor.

          • Mike Knutsen

            Nebuchadnezzar didn’t fall from heaven though, which was not metaphorical statement but rather a response to something literal that had happened. Therefore your entire attempt at an argument, collapses on itself. Because not only is this the only scripture referring Lucifer(Satan). Because as a metaphor it still doesnt line up to scripture. Because Nebuchadnezzar cannot weaken the nations because he is just a man. It would have to refer to the empire, not the singular person that the scripture referring to.

          • Dave_L

            If you read how God established Nebuchadnezzar from His throne in Heaven, that is where he fell from.

            “And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.” (Daniel 4:32)

          • Mike Knutsen

            It may indirectly be referring to Nebuchadnezzar, since Babylon is a type of the world, of the flesh and Satan’s dominion. But in this particular scripture it is referring to how Lucifer, Satan was cast down from heaven, his attitude towards God, and his punishment; which indirectly refers to the Babylonian empire, and Nebuchadnezzar.

          • Dave_L

            It requires “interpreting” clearly stated Scriptures by obscure Scriptures, and a considerable amount of “reading into them” to make it work. This is why there is so much confusion among Christians today.

          • Mike Knutsen

            I most agree with you on that point. Have a goodnight or day depending on where you are!

          • Victoria Day

            I believe you are correct on your interpretation of Isaiah, but because of Satan’s “falling from heaven” Luke 10:18 and transforming himself into an “angel of light” there is an allusion to Satan/Lucifer. One can certainly come to that conclusion. Also, it is apparent that Luciferians are actually worshiping Satan even though they may try to separate the one into two. Baphomet is represented in both religions as well as the symbolism. If you are trying to make the point that they are separate entities, they are not. Satan is known by many names and receives worship in many forms: gods, goddesses, even the Catholic Mary who has nothing to do with the true Hebrew Mary (sorry Catholics, but truth). Another of Satan’s names is LUCIFER. Satan is a person referred to the new and old testaments, but he is a person who walks to and from the earth, is the “accuser of the brethren,” can enter a person when God allows, is the “prince of the power of the air” etc. etc. He is a spirit that can possess a body or materialize into a serpent etc, but he is a person.

          • Dave_L

            Thanks for your thoughts. I believe we need to define Lucifer and not allow satanists or others do it for us. To change the meaning from that intended by Scripture is adding to God’s Words.

          • Dave_L

            How can Satan be eaten by maggots?

            “Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers.” (Isaiah 14:11)

          • Mike Knutsen

            I am not refuting that this wasnt a type for Nebuchadnezzar. It is, though 12-14 was most definitely referring to Lucifer which is a name, Nebuchadnezzar already has a name so that wasnt used because these particular verses it was referring to Lucifer and describing his attitude and mindset towards God, which was very similar to that of Nebuchadnezzar. That is how that name Lucifer was used, because it was for a short blurb, comparing both Nebuchadnezzar and Lucifer to one another because their attitude was alike. Well I must say, before I had this discussion with you I didn’t make that connection between Lucifer and Nebuchadnezzar being liken to one another, by God through the prophet Isaiah thats really something. Thanks for that! Have great night imma go to bed now its 6am hahaha! Night!

          • Dave_L

            Lucifer is not a person but is Latin for morning star. Jesus is also called the day star by Peter.

            “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:” (2 Peter 1:19)

            So Lucifer is not the Devil, but a metaphor denoting Nebuchadnezzar’s greatness as a world ruler.

          • Mike Knutsen

            Well, thank you for the insight on that. That was an awesome discussion! Hope to see you on these forums again sometime! God Bless!

          • Victoria Day

            Yes, a metaphor in that particular scripture, but also another name for Satan according to Luciferians who do not follow scripture. Let’s not give anyone the impression that Lucifer is Jesus or that the god of Freemasonry is benign. It is Satan hiding behind the god of Freemasonry.

          • Mike Knutsen

            Give me scripture that links Lucifer and Nebuchadnezzar together as being one and the same.

          • Dave_L

            It is your job to refute Isaiah’s claim that the metaphor “Lucifer” which means “Morning Star” (Venus) is being used as a literal name for Satan. You cannot do this because it does not exist anywhere in Scripture apart from your imagination.

          • Victoria Day

            Maybe it would be better to use this scripture: “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.” (2 Corinthians 11:14)

          • Dave_L

            Yes, but Peter also calls Jesus the “day star”, the very same (planet Venus) Isaiah refers to Nebuchadnezzar by – metaphorically. I.e., Lucifer is not a person but a symbol of greatness.

            “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:” (2 Peter 1:19)

          • Dave_L

            Quote (1) Scripture that says Lucifer is Satan. I quoted (2) that says he is the King of Babylon. Your interpretation of Scripture contradicts this and is therefore wrong.

          • Victoria Day

            And I said there is an ALLUSION to Satan/Lucifer. There is an allusion to the Trinity but is not specifically stated. It looks like it is YOU who have a view that contradicts scripture. Are you a Christian or a Luciferian? I really can’t tell. Are you afraid to identify yourself? Just asking.

      • Kathy Waid Norfleet

        Where does it say Lucifer is the King of Babylon? Babylon cannot be brought down to the sides of hell..” Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.”…I believe they are one and the same.

        • Dave_L

          Thanks for asking. I posted this above but if you read every verse between these two, you will see that Lucifer pertains to the King of Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar at this time) and he along with all sinners end up in Hell (the sides of the pit).

          Lucifer is not Satan. He was the King of Babylon;

          “That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!” (Isaiah 14:4)

          And if you keep reading, it leads here>>>>

          “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12)

          You’ll also see that Lucifer/Nebuchadnezzar is eaten by maggots. Satan is not subject to this since he is an evil spirit.

          “Your pomp is brought down to Sheol, the sound of your harps; maggots are laid as a bed beneath you, and worms are your covers.” (Isaiah 14:11)

      • Alyssa Krauss

        Yes, Satan is mentioned in the Bible and Lucifer and Satan are one and the same…Luke 10:18 [And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.]

  • Oracle

    Unfortunately the church of satan is in many peoples homes as well. What are you glorifying on tv? What games are you playing? What music are you listening to. What about Christian churches that preach false doctrine? The church of satan has infiltrated all of society. While believers stress a little strip mall building, satan is being welcomed in our homes, schools, churches and government.

    Why protest? How about we protest in front of our churches because many in their are living in sin. We are so quick to protest something like this but yet no one comes to the prayer meetings at church. How about we stand in front of schools to pray, or our courthouses? This country is in the mess its in because we, as the church, are not praying.

    2 Chronicles 7:14
    14 if My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

    • Liz Litts

      Yes there is lots wrong with the church and judgement begins at the house of God–but we are still called to be salt and light –we still are in a battle–repent, but work while it is yet day. You sound like you are looking for an excuse to duck and cover and give up–no matter if Jesus is coming soon or later, we need to be found doing the work of the One who sent us.

      • Oracle

        I’m sorry Liz but picketing outside of a storefront is the last thing we should be doing. Prayer trumps protesting all day. Most of what you saw at that protest was so called believers attacking and judging those outside of the satanic church. There is no love in that. Present the Gospel, offer to pray, do something. Protesting does not scare satan, prayer does then go as the spirit leads. No one engaged the satanist and asked questions regarding why they made that decision. The Apostle Paul reasoned with the skeptics and presented the Gospel in the process. I have seen too many Christians attacking others more than ministering to them. Yes we must preach judgment to those that reject Christ, but that is only one part of the Gospel, the other part is love. I would have been across the street engaging the people as Jesus would. Protesting is not laboring for the Kingdom. Praying, laying on of hands, casting out demons. The Lord knows my labor so I have no need to express what I do and when. I will not allow pride an open door. God bless you sister and may the Lord continue to guide your steps.

        • Sean

          Yes Oracle we need to pray for this country pray for our leaders an pray for our families simply holding a sign with a catchy phrase does nothing we need to pray these people accept Jesus as the Lord an saviour who gave his life up for there sins seek his forgiveness before it’s to late

        • Victoria Day

          I agree with you, Oracle, that prayer is really our only defense against the darkness. God’s Word tells us what we need to do.

          • C_Alan_Nault

            Prayer: how to do nothing and think you’re helping.

          • Victoria Day

            Then you obviously don’t believe in the power of prayer? Or, you are one who does and would like to discourage it. In the first century while Christianity was in its infancy and paganism was the norm, just the presence of Christians in the vicinity would interrupt pagan rituals. I believe prayer groups and prayer warriors should surround these unholy places of worship. Now that would be a protest!

          • C_Alan_Nault

            “Then you obviously don’t believe in the power of prayer?”

            Of course I don’t, because there is no evidence of any prayer requiring divine intervention ever being answered.

            By “requiring divine intervention”, I mean a prayer that is for something that couldn’t happen without a deity taking action.. praying you get that new job you applied for & getting the job, or praying a loved one survives risky surgery & they do survive it don’t qualify as proof that prayer works.

            Despite all the claims in the Bible that Jesus makes about prayers being answered, these claims obviously aren’t true:

            “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22)

            Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 18:19)

            Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25)

            And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14)

            … this leaves only a few options:

            The Bible is wrong, Jesus never said these things.

            The Bible is right, Jesus said these things but Jesus was wrong.

            The Bible is right, Jesus said these things but Jesus lied.

            The Bible is just a collection of myths & fables.

          • Victoria Day

            No, the Bible is completely and utterly true. You are reading without understanding because you don’t possess the Holy Spirit to guide you. Your conclusions based upon reading without spiritual sight is understandable, but wrong. “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)

            There are answers to all your objections but for the sake of space I’ll just quote one commentary:

            Mark 11:23

            “For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed … he shall have whatsoever he saith — Here is the lesson now. From the nature of the case supposed – that they might wish a mountain removed and cast into the sea, a thing far removed from anything which they could be thought actually to desire – it is plain that not physical but moral obstacles to the progress of His kingdom were in the Redeemer’s view, and that what He designed to teach was the great lesson, that no obstacle should be able to stand before a confiding faith in God.”

            There are many more scriptures that tell us God will not answer our prayers if we are not asking for the right reasons or for the right things. One who studies the Word of God must base their conclusions on context, who, what, where. Scripture interprets scripture. You can’t pull out certain passages to fit your own view and have understanding. The Bible is spiritually discerned.

            If you have never experienced the darkness it is sometimes more difficult to see the light. In my growing up, there have been several paranormal and frightening instances that convinced me that “something” existed. I came to the conclusion that if darkness existed then surely light did also. Otherwise I would not have survived. Then I heard the gospel and believed but It was many years before I actually repented and was truly “born again.” In a practical sense (because you seem to be the practical type) my entire outlook changed in that one night. I was a new person in Christ. Everything was changed in my life and that was 1995. It has only gotten better. I know I can’t convince you of anything but God can. May God give you eyes to see before it’s too late. I don’t usually stick with fruitless conversations, but there is hope for you. Seek Him.

          • C_Alan_Nault

            “No, the Bible is completely and utterly true.”

            Yeah, I hear that claim a lot. But no one ever presents any evidence to prove that claim.

            Maybe you’ll be the first; what evidence do you have that the Bible is completely and utterly true?

          • Victoria Day

            And I hear this a lot. No matter what is presented to you, you wouldn’t accept it. So what kind of “proof” do you want? What, exactly, would satisfy you?

          • C_Alan_Nault

            “No matter what is presented to you, you wouldn’t accept it.”

            Not if it can’t be examined & verified. In other words, ancient writing that makes claims but those claims can’t be proven to have happened, personal revelations ( ie: well, god appeared to me & this proves god exists), etc.

            By starting with telling me I won’t accept the proof, you have already acknowledged the fact your proof isn’t convincing.

            What have you got as proof?

          • Victoria Day

            What proof do you have that He doesn’t exist?

          • C_Alan_Nault

            That’d be a great rebuttal, if you were under 12 years old.

            For the record, I haven’t stated he doesn’t exist, so I have no claim to prove.

            You are the one saying he exists, what proof do you have to support that belief?

          • Victoria Day

            Took you long enough to think of a reply. Go your way son.

          • C_Alan_Nault

            LOL. I notice you didn’t present any proof that god exists.

            Looks like you don’t have any.

          • Victoria Day

            Better bring ice cubes with you on your journey

          • C_Alan_Nault

            If I believed the fables in the Bible I might worry about that.

        • blessneila

          Wow wow! happy to see people who still see things the way you do
          Oracle. “we wrestle not against flesh & blood” & “the weapons of
          our warfare are not canal “protesting is not the solution. Prayer is,
          love is, living lives worthy of Christ is. Many so called Christians
          have missed the way. We don’t pray, we don’t evangelize. And when we
          don’t, Satan does , then we go out to protest. ” For
          we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
          against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
          against spiritual wickedness in high places”. Ephesian 6:12,
          though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For
          the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the
          pulling down of strong holds” 2Corinthians 10 vs 3-4.

          The Armor of God Ephesians 6:10-18.

          Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the
          full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s
          schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against
          the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark
          world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
          13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil
          comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done
          everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled
          around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15
          and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel
          of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with
          which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take
          the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word
          of God.

          18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all
          kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always
          keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.

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      • Eric Mosby


        Jesus did not preach to attack others for their beliefs but instead spread the Gospel of the Heavenly Father. It is the Devil who commands you to attack and judge others.

        Romans 2

        You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
        Liz it is Not Gods way to protest others for believing in false deities, but pray for them. With enough prayers the gates of hell will rumble, and Satan will know you are doing Gods will on Earth.

      • Saved By Grace


    • C_Alan_Nault

      “What about Christian churches that preach false doctrine?”

      Let me guess: those would be churches that preach something different than the particular Christian church that happens to be the one you attend.

      Here is some guidance from the new testament:

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5)

      Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)

      MK 10:2-12, LK 16:18 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.

      2TH 3:10 Anyone who doesn’t work should not be allowed to eat.

      2 JN 1:9-11 Do not allow anyone into your house who is not a fellow believer.

      • Saved By Grace

        Your forget, everyone sins including Christians and Jews.Since you know your verses so well what does ROMANS 3:23 say … For ALL have sinned and fall SHORT of the glory of GOD.( i dont see EXEMPTIONS, do you) but then what does Romans4:25 say.. he was handed over to die because of OUR(i dont see Christians as exemptions, do you) sins and he was RAISED TO LIFE to make us RIGHT with God. You may have read the Bible maybe even studied it or major in it BUT the way you write sounds like you never known Yahweh or the Son of God Yeshua as your personal Saviour .Maybe your a Lucifarian Satanist also. Who knows

        • C_Alan_Nault

          I know that according to the Bible, everyone sins. But what can you present as evidence to prove that claim?

          • Saved By Grace

            Have you ever hated anybody ? have you thought about sleeping with a woman cuz she’s so good looking that’s sin never stole anything in your life you ever thought about stealing anything that’s sin God does not approve of that. you know it’s right there in front of your face you just choose not to accept it or you don’t want to accept it you ever thought about hurting somebody beating somebody up ? that’s sin but you know you don’t even have to do nothing we came from Sin when Adam and Eve ate the apple of Good and Evil we sinned from the very beginning we’re not perfect we all think evil sometimes on a constant basis and I know you do because you’re human that is sin if that’s not proof enough for then you must don’t want to accept it or you just using these excuses and want to live your life for you. And thats fine. You have a right to. God loves you that much to give your freedom of choice so the rest is up to you. Jesus died for us so that we can be with him in Paradise. Your have Endless Love and Eternity to gain by trusting and having faith and most of all at meeting your center and very pimp with all your heart all your mind and all your soul in Elohim. But in all this he never said life was going to be easy. Us humans walk to easy way out they want everybody to show him this he did this and more by his word that will be forever when we’re gone His Word will still be here why is everybody attacking Yahshua(Jesus Hebrew name ) .you think about it the Word of Elohim(GODS hebrew name) said that in the last days you would be hated for his namesake that’s not far from the truth now isn’t it. In the last days it would be like Sodom and Gomorrah earthquakes in divers places pestilences famine diseases DEATH besides that. Read the book of Revelation its foretold everything thats happening now coming to pass right in front of our eyes.. look Satan has put the wool over your eyes even he believes in Yahweh but he’s making it so you guys won’t but thats sad he’s lying to you that’s why he’s the FATHER of LIES the GREAT DECEIVER. We are on this earth for a short time after that is the judgement what happens when you die and don’t believe and on what we’re saying is true then what ???? Yahwehs Wrath and Indignation. punishment with suffering for your SIN. you don’t want that. I have nothing to gain from this.. Why tell you wrongly ??

          • C_Alan_Nault

            More senseless babble.

            What actual evidence do you have to show that god or the devil exist?

          • Saved By Grace

            creation my friend, if you believe in the big bogus theory, that out of nowhere came gases that exploded into the heavens and created such sophisiticated organisms, in which if there was even 1/1000000000 of dna corrpution we couldnt exist. then by GOD ssomething is wrong with you. Atheist scientist are now starting to bellieve in a creator. they are 1 step ahead of you my friend. oh you probably think the earth is round too dont you. scientific proof also shows thats its not/ the BIBLE <<<=== yep i said it, says it not , with a firmament over us . fake moon landings and fake NASA photos in where the United states grew larger in some pics and smaller in others and the clouds are always the same. plus check out" operation fishbowl"…. they found nooahs ark sodom and gomorah, a seal of king david Nephilim bones the military killed a giant nephilim in 2003 .and then on top of that they found the mountain where GOD descended to talk to moses. and they found many chariots, wheels and human ske;eton bones in the red sea where , yes ELOHIM parted it for the Israelites. thats just evidence. i didnt even go to the bible scriptures yet. thats actuall evidence for you to see. BUt since you HATE GOD sooo much, it doesnt matter how much evidence they have you will refuse to believe in GOD because of your own Rebellious nature, BUT remember, even if you dont believe in YAHWEH,you will be judged by him after you die.. BUt while your alive if you truly seek the truth, you will find it. Shalom

          • C_Alan_Nault

            “creation my friend,”

            If by “creation” you mean the universe, we already have a word for it: universe.

            Calling it creation presupposes that it had a creator. Now, do you have any evidence that the universe was created?

            “f you believe in the big bogus theory, that out of nowhere came gases that exploded”

            There is no such scientific theory. If you mean the big bang theory, it does not say that gases came from nowhere and exploded.

            “Atheist scientist are now starting to bellieve in a creator.”

            Wow, an unsubstantiated claim. I can do that too: Theists are now starting to believe there is no creator.

            In your long-winded prattling, you forgot to include any evidence that a god exists.

            Can you even define this god clearly & in a way that makes any sense?

          • Saved By Grace

            actually i did, but because Satan has you sooo wrapped up on Hating God, oh thats right, you dont believe in the Devil either, Well hegot one on you there to, because even the devil believes in God, his greatest trick was to get mankind to believe he doesnt exist,,,,, your not going to believe anything.believe any proofs, and i feel sorry for you. you know what and heres your answer in your face since you were bor…. CREATION is your proof..i gave you thiings to look up mr Alan do your own unbiased reasearch .I JUST PRAY BEFORE YOUR DYING BREATH THAT YOU FIND OUR LOVING MASHIACH,

            Answer: Our God is a God of wonders (Psalm 136:3-4). As the Creator and Sustainer of all that is, God has the power to suspend natural laws in order to fulfill His purposes. Miracles were a part of the ministries of Moses, Elijah and Elisha, and of course Jesus and the apostles, and their miracles primarily served the purpose of confirming their message as being from God (Hebrews 2:3-4). Today, many people still seek to experience the miraculous, and some will go to great lengths to have that experience. There may be many reasons for such a desire, and Scripture gives us at least five:

            1. Some people seek after signs and wonders because they want confirmation of the truth of God. There is nothing inherently wrong with this desire. In fact, God willingly gave signs to Moses (Exodus 4:1-9) and Gideon (Judges 6:11-22) to confirm His word. Miracles can aid a person’s coming to faith, as in John 2:23, “Many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name.”

            However, there comes a time when enough miracles have been performed—the truth has been proved—and it is time to exercise faith. When Moses hesitated to obey after a series of miracles at the burning bush, “the LORD’s anger burned” (Exodus 4:14).

            Also, it is nobler in God’s sight to believe without needing a miracle. Jesus visited the Samaritans, and “because of his words many more became believers” (John 4:41, emphasis added). Just a few verses later, Jesus rebukes the Galileans: “Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders . . . you will never believe” (John 4:48). Unlike the Samaritans, the people of Galilee required signs and wonders.

            2. Some people seek after signs and wonders because they do not believe the signs and wonders which have already been performed. The Pharisees of Matthew 12 were just such a lot. Jesus had been performing miracles for quite some time when a group of scribes and Pharisees came to Him with an insolent demand to see another sign. In response, Jesus condemned them as “wicked and adulterous” (Matthew 12:38-39).

            They were “wicked” in that they refused to believe the signs and wonders Christ had already performed. “In spite of his wonders, they did not believe” (Psalm 78:32). Their hearts were hardened towards the truth, even after numerous public miracles. Nothing would make them believe; their hearts were as pharaoh’s, hardened after witnessing so many of Moses’ miracles in Egypt (Exodus 9:34-35).

            They were “adulterous” in the spiritual sense, having left the true worship of God to follow a man-made set of rules and traditions. Not satisfied with the miracles Jesus was doing, they demanded something even greater. As commentator Matthew Barnes puts it, “They looked for signs of their own devising.” So entrenched was their rejection of Christ that, when later presented with the “sign of the prophet Jonah” (Christ’s resurrection, Matthew 12:39-40), they still would not believe.

            3. Some people seek after signs and wonders because they seek an occasion to excuse their unbelief. There were people in Jesus’ day who “tested” Him by seeking a sign (Matthew 16:1; Luke 11:16). Since they specified that the sign be “from heaven,” they most likely wanted something spectacular, similar to Elijah’s calling down fire from the sky (1 Kings 18:38) or Isaiah’s causing the sun to reverse course (Isaiah 38:8). Probably, their “test” was designed to be something “too big” for Jesus to accomplish—they simply hoped He would attempt it and fail in the attempt.

            4. Some people seek after signs and wonders because they are curious thrill-seekers. Like the crowds in John 6:2 and King Herod in Luke 23:8, they want to see something sensational, but they have no real desire to know the truth of Christ.

            5. Some people seek after signs and wonders because they hope to get something for themselves. After Jesus fed the multitudes, a large crowd followed Him to the other side of Galilee. Jesus saw their true motivation, however, and rebuked it: “I tell you the truth, you are looking for me, not because you saw miraculous signs but because you ate the loaves and had your fill” (John 6:26). The crowd’s desire was not to know Christ or even to see more miracles; it was simply to fill their stomachs again.

            Better than seeking after a new miracle is taking God at His Word. Simple faith is more pleasing to the Lord than a reliance on a dazzling sensory experience. “Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).

          • C_Alan_Nault

            In your long rambling diatribe you forgot to include any evidence for this god.

  • Karen Gaur

    Christ is the Light and no other. Lucifer gave up his connection to the Light in exchange for darkness. Pray for them, for their souls are as precious to Christ as all others.

  • Jean Adams

    “Mary queen of angels”? Mary isn’t an angel, she was the blessed lady God chose to birth his son.

    • C_Alan_Nault

      So you are saying she is guilty of committing adultery. According to the Bible, she should have been stoned to death.

  • TimSPC

    What kind of bingo night do they have?

  • WhatUP

    HQ: 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

  • Dave_L

    Lucifer is not Satan. He is the King of Babylon;

    “That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!” (Isaiah 14:4)

    “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” (Isaiah 14:12)

  • Joshua Krug

    So they want to seek the bearer of the light or the light? Fine! Wonderful! Fantastic! So they want to understand who they are as judges of the earth? Fine! Awesome! Wonderful! Then they should know, that even angelic beings are subject to mankind in judgment, that the gods, though there may be many gods and lords will all bow to the Bearer of Light, the Holy Spirit, the One who is, and who was and who is to come, and the Light, the true God and Judge, the one born of the Him who is the only God, Jesus Christ.

    • Joshua Krug

      That ‘morning star’ is in God’s hand.

  • Shirley Kelly

    Mary queen of angels? THAT IS NOT IN THE SCRIPTURES.

  • Teresa

    Well if it walks like a duck talks like a duck..it might be a duck…Satan worshipped himself..he was described as being the most beautiful angel…he was even head of the music ministry in heaven…he became some vain and engulfed in himself..he became envious of god and basically wanted to take over God’s throne..to the point he deceived a 1/3 of God’s angels to go along with him..and for this he was cast out of heaven..he is actually chaired in outer darkness along with the angels that sided with him until the great throne judgement.where then he will be cast into a latke of fire along with the Ddallen angels..basically his soul will die and he will cease to exist…so I would say in the end he isn’t really an enlightened of much knowledge..the only way he can even influence us here on earth is his spirit…he Cant come in the flesh here until the time appointed that God allows him to…so I dont understand what power he would be able to rele give anyone….I believe as Christians we are suppose to study to show ourselves approved…and we are suppose to show love for one another ..love is what was shown for us when we didn’t deserve it and we are suppose to lead by jesus example..love is the fulfillment of the law..

  • OJ

    America, noble effort with your banners against Satanism. But really…the way for Christians to win any spiritual war is not by raising banners or hollering. The way to fight these battles is on your knees. So please get on your knees and cry out to the Lord to whom alone belongs victory!

  • acontraryview

    Gotta laugh when people who go on and on about religious freedom protest religious freedom. The hypocrisy is, unfortunately, not surprising.

  • Philip Michael Nuanes

    It’s so easy easy to get caught up in whether or not Satan is Lucifer, or different interpretations of the bible. I’m a believer and follower of Jesus, and I think the only question to ask yourselves is what kind of fruit are you bearing? Does following Satan really satisfy that hole in your heart or does it leave you wanting more and more?

    Something to think about 🙂

    In my opinion, following Satan and making yourself a god is just as destructive as following money and making money your god.

  • Fellow Christians, remember Ephesians 6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places (KVJ).

    Don’t waste time contending with this Satanic church by fleshly means. Use your Christ-given authority (Luke 10:19) to bind up the spiritual wickedness behind it in the heavens (Matt. 12:29; Mark 3:27; Luke 11:21)! That Satanic church has a ruler assigned to it in the spiritual plane. Bind it up with a three-fold cord (Ecc. 4:12) in Jesus’ name!

    One can put to flight a thousand, and two ten thousand (Deut. 32:30). Unite in Christ-given authority!

  • Roder51

    Looks like progress to me

  • ElvisKnucklehead

    This is called “Freedom of Religion” and it is guaranteed by the US Constitution.
    You can’t demonize this whilst basking in your right to practice your religion.

    • Cady555

      Yes. And Jesus called on people to treat others as they would like to be treated.

      I don’t think anyone here would want their place of worship picketed.

      • ElvisKnucklehead

        Regardless of what any mythical character from the bible says the fact remains that this church had the exact same rights as any other church.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    ““We are one nation under God ”

    Which god? So many to choose from, and all equally valid choices since they all have the same amount of evidence for their existence.

  • Kingdom Ambassador

    This, thanks to the late 18th-century founders who replaced the First Commandment (found intact in some of the 17th-century Colonial Constitutions) with the First Amendment’s First Commandment-violating, polytheism-enabling Free Exercise Clause.

    For more, Google online Chapter 11 “Amendment 1: Government-Sanctioned Polytheism” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.”

    Then find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a free copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

  • peanut butter

    If you are only going to church(?) to promote yourselves, and to seek power, you ARE worshipping satan.

  • Kelly Nichole

    This is no surprise

  • Becky

    Lucifer was satan’s name prior to his fall/sins, therefore lucifer doesn’t exist anymore. He’s now known as that old serpent, dragon, enemy, murderer, liar, etc. He’s no light bearer or morning star anymore.