Billy Graham’s Muslims Are ‘Saved’ Remarks Revived After Son Franklin Opposes ‘Same God’ Professor

Billy_Franklin_Graham-compressedRemarks from Billy Graham asserting that Muslims and those of other religions who “turn to the only light they have” without consciously trusting Christ are saved—despite clear warning in Scripture—have come back to light after his son Franklin Graham, the president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA), expressed disagreement with a Wheaton professor who contends that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

As previously reported, associate professor Larycia Hawkins posted to Facebook two photos of herself wearing a hijab earlier this month, and stated in a lengthy explanation that she plans to wear it everywhere she goes during the Advent—including at the professedly Christian college and to church.

“I stand in human solidarity with my Muslim neighbor because we are formed of the same primordial clay, descendants of the same cradle of humankind—a cave in Sterkfontein, South Africa that I had the privilege to descend into to plumb the depths of our common humanity in 2014,” Hawkins wrote.

She said that not only does she have a common ancestry with Muslims, but that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

“I stand in religious solidarity with Muslims because they, like me, a Christian, are people of the book,” Hawkins asserted. “And as Pope Francis stated last week, we worship the same God.”

In light of controversy over the matter, the professor was suspended by university officials and placed under review. Some Wheaton students protested her suspension, calling for Hawkins to be reinstated.

Franklin Graham, the son of Billy Graham, who graduated from Wheaton in 1943, expressed dismay over Hawkins’ actions and statements in a social media post on Wednesday.

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“Can you believe this Wheaton College professor who says she’s going to wear a hijab for the holidays this year to show solidarity with Islam? Shame on her!” he wrote.

Graham Screenshot“She said that Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Well she is absolutely wrong—she obviously doesn’t know her Bible and she doesn’t know Islam,” Graham continued. “The God of the Bible has a Son named Jesus Christ. The god of Islam doesn’t have a son, and even the thought of that would be sacrilegious to Muslims. The God of the Bible sent His Son to earth to die in our place and save us from our sins.”

Graham’s remarks come in contrast to those made by his father in 1997 while being interviewed on Robert Schuller’s “Hour of Power.” During the segment, Graham stated that Muslims and those of other religions may be saved without hearing of Christ or reading the Scriptures in realizing that they “need something,” although not pinpointing what it is.

“I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ—whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ,” Billy Graham said. “And that’s what God is doing today. He’s calling people out of the world for His name.”

“Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God,” Graham continued. “They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their heart that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have.”

“And I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in Heaven,” he declared.

Schuller then sought clarification on Graham’s remarks.

“What I hear you saying that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?” he asked.

“Yes, it is, because I believe that,” Graham replied. “I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they’ve believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they’ve tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived.”

In 2005, when asked by talk show host Larry King if Muslims and others will go to Heaven even though they don’t believe in Christ, Graham replied, “That’s in God’s hands. I can’t be the judge.”

“How do you feel when you see a lot of these strong Christian leaders go on television and say, ‘You are condemned. You will live in Hell if you do not accept Jesus Christ,’ and they are forceful and judgmental?” King asked.

“Well, they have a right to say that, and they are true to a certain extent, but I don’t — that’s not my calling,” Graham replied. “My calling is to preach the love of God and the forgiveness of God and the fact that He does forgive us. … [Y]ou can get off on all kinds of different side trends, and in my earlier ministry, I did the same, but as I got older, I guess I became more mellow and more forgiving and more loving.”

Efforts to obtain comment from the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association as to whether Graham still holds to the belief have been unsuccessful, and Franklin Graham has likewise not addressed concerns over the matter. However, in the past, representatives have reportedly pointed to an article published in Decision Magazine in the 1960s, which outlined Graham’s viewpoint on the issue.

Franklin Graham raised concern in 2012 for removing language from the association’s website referring to Mormonism as a cult.

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  • madgrandma

    Franklin Graham is correct. GOD has many names and Allah is NOT one of them. And yes, anyone can be redeemed by turning their life over to Jesus. There is no conflict here. Remember,… EVERY knee will bend when the KING of Kings returns.

    • thelordlives2011

      You are right madgrandma. Allah the Muslim’s worship is a pagan moon god which was worshiped centuries before Mohammad was born. Professor Larycia Hawkins needs to be terminated. Her teaching are not biblical. If she new her bible she would know that. Wheaton College is an outstanding university that is premillennial dispensational in teaching and Rock Solid.
      You cannot be in “the world” and be like “the world” and call yourself a Christian.

      • maranathagen67

        I am premillennial dispensational in the position I hold also; but I would have to wonder as to whether Wheaton is “Rock Solid” as you say? Seems to me they have had issues before. And I would have to ask how did she get a teaching portfolio in a “Rock Solid” school with the convictions she holds? Why are there students insisting on her re-instatement? Crandall is a former Baptist Theological Training School in Canada. It now has university status, but still classified as an institution with Christian convictions. How did one of their psychology professors get elected as a candidate for the Liberal Party whose leader demanded that all of those running for election hold to a pro-choice position? She is now a Cabinet member. What’s wrong with these schools? Is it simply the Laodicean luke warmness of the last days? And many shall fall away from the faith….??????

        • wandakate

          Must be the beginning of birth pains. We see apostasy all over, yes they will fall away and that they are doing now.
          Scriptures tells us in the end of days people will have a form of godliness but will deny the power. We aren’t to have anything to do with them. Stay clear and guard our hearts.
          Are most Christians today in that lukewarm state? Sure they are, and JESUS had a word for them too didn’t He. IF YOU ARE LUKEWARM, I WILL SPEW YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH.
          He also had a few more things to say to them,
          Our salvation comes from GOD’s grace and our works.
          Because FAITH without WORKS is dead…
          He works show her faith. We shall know them by their fruits.

          • maranathagen67

            Hi Wanda… good observation and for the most part I would say “Amen”. The exception? “Our salvation comes from GOD’s grace and our works.”
            “For by grace are ye saved through faith…NOT of works lest any man should boast”. We are justified by faith in the finished work of Christ. It is true that faith without works is dead (James). If one is truly saved, then good works inspired by the indwelling Holy Spirit and God’s Word will follow. Salvation is totally of God’s grace… God’s riches at Christ’s expense. As sinners we didn’t deserve it and were unworthy of it. But love and mercy and grace compelled Him to sacrifice His life in our stead. We deserve Hell; He opened the door to Heaven. From redemption we move on to sanctification, being set apart for His glory, growing in grace and in the admonition of our Lord.

          • wandakate

            Hey, thanks for the response. There is a Wanda that comments and votes up or down on here but I’m not here, my name is Wandakate, thanks…I don’t respond to Wanda normally, but this is one time I will.
            I don’t recall saying that we must work in order to be save. When JESUS was saying those things He was clearly speaking to the saved, not the sinners.
            We have work to do in order to please the LORD. NO, our works don’t initially save us, but we are sure suppose to WORK after we are saved. We don’t earn our way into heaven or the Kingdom of GOD, but GOD expects us to please Him and do His will while we are here. Remember, we will know them by their fruits (that is our works, our deeds, our actions, our faithfulness, our obedience, our allegiance, our sacrifice).
            We are under GRACE yes, but we will be JUDGED by our works.
            JESUS said, “I am coming soon, and My reward is with me, to give to each according to his WORKS shall be.
            Revelation 22.
            I have been proofing my manuscripts and typing on the flashdrive tonite getting ready for the publication of my first book, I’m very excited to be doing my WORK for the LORD…

          • maranathagen67

            Thanks for clarifying that… well done! Biblically sound. My apologies for the error related to your name. Many of us would just automatically assume that Wanda is a nickname or short for Wandakate. I admit that I have never heard the name before and I guess it really doesn’t suggest whether you are male or female. So if I addressed you as female and you are in turn are male, then again my apology. Serve the Lord with gladness…. come into His temple with thanksgiving. God bless….

          • wandakate

            Oh goodness, something is amiss here…I am a FEMALE, and Wandakate is a female name, it doesn’t sound at all to me like the name of a man. Wanda is a female name is Kate is a female name so if they are together they would most likely continue to be a female name.
            I am a mother of 2 and a grandma of 5, so now that you know, blessings here from Wandakate…(laughing). If you like what I write as I noticed you voting me up a lot, you might also enjoy my books. I have 5 of them, (manuscripts), but I have combined 2 of them so now there are 4. If you’re interested I will put you on the mailing list provided I have an e-mail address for you. First one due out by February.

          • maranathagen67

            Hey, I’m just too old to figure those things out! 🙂 I see all kinds of foreign names in our towns and cities now, some that I couldn’t even pronounce, and looking at their names, I wouldn’t have a clue as to what gender they were. Now in your case, it was a bit easier to fathom out (even though I didn’t detect it). Gerry sometimes refers to Geraldine… but that ain’t me! ho, ho!

      • wandakate

        Correct, scriptures tell us…We are to be IN the world, but NOT of the world.
        JESUS said, “You are either for me, or against me”.
        He told us many things and also IF we are lukewarm He will spew us out of His mouth, (won’t have anything to do with us).
        He wanted us hot or cold spiritually, not like so many of today’s Christians that are bordering on lukewarm.
        There are many who claim to believe, but the bible says we must OBEY. JESUS did say, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”.
        She (the professor) can wear the hijab all day long 24/7 if she wants too, but she’s not impressing GOD at all.
        As you said, he teachings are NOT biblical and she should not be re-instated with that belief.
        GOD has many names but ALLAH isn’t one of them.
        Muslims are against JESUS the only SON of GOD.
        JESUS said, “If you’re not for me, you’re against me”. They aren’t for HIM, thus meaning they ARE against HIM.
        But, HE is the ONLY way to the FATHER GOD (that they call Allah). How will they get to Allah (their god) without going through JESUS CHRIST? They think they can and unfortunately they are deceived.

      • libertybells2

        I question whether Wheaton is rock solid as the story mentions some of the faculty agreed with larycia. So there seems to be some dissension in the ranks that no longer makes it rock solid.

    • Jason Traweek

      Keep in mind GOD is not a name’s a title.In fact the word “God” does not actually appear in the original Hebrew or Greek manuscripts of the Bible.Elohim is used as a descriptive title for the God of the scriptures who the Jews named YHWH…which means the great I AM.These are all titles…and hence what most of the world doesn’t get even though the Bible TELLS everyone this.YHWH never gave His earthly name till the Angel came to Mary and told her to name the baby Yeshua..which means Salvation.

      Yeshua is “‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”Acts 4

      • Tom Hanig

        I read the OT in Hebrew as well as English and the name Yeshua is NEVER used in the OT or NT for the Son of God. Yeshua in the OT is only used for the Israelite general called Joshua. The Son of God is referred to as the messiah, the branch, the son of man, but never by a proper name in the OT. Likewise in the NT he is not called Yeshua, but the Greek name, Yesu which is translated in English as Jesus. The sacred name cult insists that everyone use the name Yeshua instead of Jesus, saying that the Lord will not answer to another name. It’s a false cult and their demand is wrong, since Christ is never called Yeshua in the bible and their demand should be rejected.. In Acts 4.10 which you cite, he is called “Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified,” and goes on to say that, “Neither is their salvation in any other; FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN, GIVEN AMONG MEN; WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.” (Acts 4.10 and 4.12) The name Jesus Christ is that name in English and we should not substitute another name as the sacred name cult wants us to do. His correct name is Jesus.

        • wandakate

          I’m NOT a member of it, and never heard of it until now. What was the original name in Hebrew?
          Any Jew that now believes in JESUS may have joined in with a group called “JEWS FOR JESUS”, and they call JESUS YESHUA and the FATHER GOD YAHWEH.
          JESUS was an English word. The original Greek, Hebrew, or Latin was translated into English. There were the books of the Maccabees that “never” made it into the scriptures as well.

          • maam2u

            the hebrew was always YESHUA. that is His original name. JUST ASK HIM!

      • wandakate

        YHWH doesn’t mean YESHUA…do you see a W there? YHWH means YAHWEH which is the name of GOD.
        JESUS is YESHUA. We are taught that GOD and JESUS are one, but JESUS said many times that they were actually separate. You have to look for it in the Bible. Have to study and search for them.
        He said…THE FATHER AND I ARE ONE (they were in unity), they had the same frame of mind, they were on the same page).
        In Genesis it talks about coming down from Heaven, and it says…
        Again at the time of the towel of Babel, it says, “LET ‘US’ GO DOWN AND CONFUSE THEIR LANGUAGE”.
        So, again who was GOD talking to then? He wasn’t talking to Himself, it was JESUS, it wasn’t the angels, b/c we are NOT created in the image of angels.
        What about when JESUS went to the garden. Was He praying to Himself? You wouldn’t think He was.
        Now, it appears here that He was indeed praying to GOD the FATHER, as He wouldn’t have gone there to pray to Himself, as that makes no sense whatsoever.
        I know before I get blasted here, that we have been taught about the “trinity”, but I do think that GOD was the FATHER who is a SPIRIT BEING, and JESUS was the SON, who came in the flesh as a living breathing soul, and that the HOLY SPIRIT is the comforter, that would lead us into all truth.
        The HOLY SPIRIT didn’t even come to them until JESUS arose from the grave and descended back into Heaven to be with GOD the FATHER. JESUS told them, I will sent you the HOLY SPIRIT, and He will guide you into all truth.
        There are other places in scripture that divide the two or three of them thus proclaiming that there is no real Trinity.
        That, I have studies originated in the HRCC.
        Just as our worldly holiday came from Constantine the Emperor back in 534. Many things that we believe are NOT scriptural and many people already have had their eyes opened to the truth of the word.
        JESUS even told His disciples, “don’t be deceived”…

        • Tony Robinson

          The heresy of modalism is an old one. Even judges were called gods because a god is someone who declares right from wrong. To ensure that what is declared as right is an absolute right requires a morality that has never changed and witnesses to support such a claim. This concept of two or three witnesses is even found in criminal code required for the death penalty. A Father, Holy Ghost, and Son co-existing throughout eternity past can attest to each other’s unchanging morality and as the Godhead, can definitively declare absolute moral righteousness. Remove this dynamic and you are left with something like Allah – a morality that cannot be authenticated by any other than himself. There is a hierarchy of authority and role, but not essence.

          Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man more than anything else. This designation is a direct link to OT references to the son of man. What is so radical about the OT reference is that the son of man is prophesied to receive worship from mankind. Satan would love to fulfill this role, but he is a lie. He is not God in the flesh. This distinction falls up on Jesus to fulfill.

        • Kena

          A Marvelous Mystery Jesus our Messiah, The Temple of the living God, Yahweh.

          1st Timothy 2:5
          (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus);

          2nd Corinthians 5:
          18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
          19 To wit, that (God was in Christ),reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
          20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
          21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

          John 20:27
          Then he said to Thomas, Reach here your finger, and behold my hands;
          and reach here your hand, and thrust into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
          28 And Thomas answered and said to him, (My Lord and my God).
          29 Jesus says to him, Thomas, because you have seen me, you have
          believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

          Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world,
          and not after Christ.
          9 For (in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily).
          10 And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality
          and power:

          John 14:8 Philip says to him, Lord, (show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.)
          9 (Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me), Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how do you say, Show us the Father?
          10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
          the words that I speak to you I speak not of myself: but (the Father that dwells in me), he does the works.
          11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.

          Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he comes into the world, he said, Sacrifice and offering thou would not, ((but a body) “Jesus”)have
          you prepared me:

        • Darryl N Jane Everette

          You show the separation and leave out the oneness verses. Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” Jesus the MAN prayed to God the Father. You need to do more studying for one thing. And you need ask and listen to God the holy Spirit for another.

        • maam2u

          ONE means more like, united, alike, and inseparably attached. For instance, if Christ is the Word of God, well, that’s pretty much being One with the Father, as part of Him. The human form and image of Him, born of a woman and thus, Son.

          There is nothing and nobody else that this all compares to, so it’s not like anything else we know of.
          think of how St Patrick used the shamrock or clover to illustrate the Holy Trinity- one leaf, 3 lobes which are all attached to each other..

      • Off Shore

        “never gave His earthly name till the Angel”
        Scripture disagrees with your comment. “I Am” is His name forever in English!
        Yahweh is the Hebrew translation of “I AM”, but it’s still His name forever just in a different language!

        Exodus 3:13-15 King James Version

        13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel,
        and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you;
        and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

        14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

        15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord
        God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God
        of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is
        my memorial unto all generations.

        Isaiah 42:8 King James Version

        8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

    • wandakate

      Billy Graham made a tragic mistake telling people what he told them. The ONLY way to GOD is through JESUS CHRIST and to accept Him as your LORD and SAVIOR. We MUST know JESUS and believe He was who He claimed to be.
      Muslims are NOT Christians, they are lost and in need JESUS, who is the ONLY one that can possibly save these people.
      They are now having dreams and visions and seeing Angels and hearing JESUS calling them out and they are listening to the worlds and believing the dreams and visions and accepting the LORD, so praise the LORD for that.
      Franklin is correct, The Muslim god and Our GOD are NOT the same.
      Our GOD send JESUS to seek and to save those who are lost, their Allah didn’t do that, as he has No son. Mohammed taught HATE and MURDER and other vile things, JESUS said to love your neighbor as yourself. He said, We are our brothers keeper, and He said, to go into the world and preach the gospel of JESUS CHRIST to all living souls (people).
      He also told us to do unto others as we would have them do unto us, and the Muslims DO NOT do this, they don’t do to other people what they want done unto themselves, just the opposite.

    • Claudia

      So do you think Spanish-speaking people worship a different God because they call him Dios? It’s just a different language. Allah is the Arabic word for God.

    • You do realize that the Arabic word for God is Allah? Arabic Christians use the word Allah when referring to God because that is what the word means.

      • madgrandma

        No… Allah claims to be greater than the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…

        • John ABaptist

          The best one is The Welsh language (Cymru) Their word for God The Father is Dad, As in “Our Father” they say “O Dad”
          Fed up with all these people trying to be “politically correct” and embracing all forms so as not to offend anyone, Jesus didn’t care who he offended, He spoke the Truth. “No one comes to The Father except by me” He also clearly stated You must be born again

    • awareoftruth

      I do agree. God is loving and just. It may take a time of trial or even tribulation to turn hearts and eyes on Him, but He has a plan…and it’s perfect.

    • Christopher Curzon

      Franklin Graham is INcorrect. “Allah” is from the same root as “Eloi”, which Jesus spoke from the Cross. (“Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani” is what Jesus said, which we translate as “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”) It is prideful for any man, even a Christian man to claim to know God with certainty. God HAS revealed Himself in Jesus Christ, but we are none of us qualified to understand the whole revelation of God, and therefore, we are none of us qualified to dismiss our Muslim brothers and sisters as false worshippers. Let God be True. And let man be HUMBLE in the presence of God.

  • Josey

    The gospel will be preached to the ends of the earth so no one will stand before God claiming they didn’t know or didn’t hear. The only way one enters into Heaven apart from Christ is if they have never broken the laws of God which is not possible for ALL have sinned and fallen short of His glory,sin came into the world through the fall of the man Adam and that is why Christ came and hung on the cross because He being the Word and Son of god alone was born sinless and He alone took all of our sins, past, present and future upon Himself but you must repent, believe and receive His atoning work on the cross accepting and believing on Him is the only ticket to Heaven, there is no other way, Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. If you call that narrow minded so be it because it’s the truth. John 14:6 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Works will not save you, praying several times a day, reading the Bible all day long, casting out demons, etc. will not save you, only Christ can save you. Those works will follow you as a believer but they can never save you from eternal damnation. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    • gizmo23

      So the 10 year old kid in central Asia that never heard about Jesus is condemned to eternal torture in Hell ?

      • Josey

        I didn’t say that, a ten year old child might not be of mature age to make a decision. I believe only God knows the heart and can judge, I didn’t understand until the age of twenty when God the the Holy Spirit began to draw me in and revealed the truth to me about salvation and I knew that I had a choice presented to me to receive or reject it, thank God I made the right choice and my life was changed from hell to heaven in the instance I made that choice. I was referring to those who willfully reject Christ when He convicts them and shows them the right way. Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. There are even adults that have the mind of a child who know no better and we serve a merciful God and I believe He will show mercy to them, He,s the judge but the majority of people choose His salvation as He gives them a choice or they reject it and choose eternal damnation.

        • gizmo23

          OK you sound reasonable and well versed
          How about Jewish people?

          • The Last Trump

            All of mankind has been redeemed by the sacrificial atonement provided by our Lord Jesus at the cross. For, ALL are sinners. Gentile AND Jew.
            And all must accept and acknowledge their need for the saving grace we have so graciously been shown by our Creator.
            Those who so foolishly choose NOT to do so, do so at their own peril.
            Regardless of any particular ethnicity or heritage.

            Jesus was, and is, the only One qualified to pay the debt you and I owe by offering Himself up unto the judgment we deserved. And He made it abundantly clear that He was the only way unto the Father.
            If there is any other way by which men can be saved, as the world would have you believe, than quite obviously Christ sacrificed Himself and died cruelly FOR NOTHING.
            And if that truly were the case, do you really think He would have bothered? Pretty senseless sacrifice to say the least.

            As to those who’ve never actually had the opportunity to hear the gospel, obviously our Creator who is just and fair would have a plan in place for such cases as He sees fit. I don’t think we need to be too concerned about His ability to “be” God! Something tells me that things will work out for these people as they should. Justly and with absolute fairness.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.” – C.S. Lewis

          • wandakate

            NAIL on the head here no doubt. We sent ourselves to hell by our rejection and our disobedience to HIS word.
            GOD sends nobody to hell, we make our own decisions, and we seal our own fate. We have a free will do we not?
            We know right from wrong, and we know about the 10 commandments so if we wish to disrespect GOD and disobey them over and over then we will go where we rightly deserve to go.
            There won’t be any sinners in the Kingdom of GOD.

          • Vic

            They are the tares as spoken of in the Bible.

          • wandakate

            Not ALL of them are. The ones that believe the MESSIAH is JESUS are not tares. There is an organization called “JEWS FOR JESUS”. It numbers in the hundreds last I checked but may well be into the thousands as of now.
            ALL of Israel will eventually be saved.
            JESUS was a JEW, his parents were also. He was born and raised with Jews in the Holy Land.
            His people are recognizing Him in their dreams and visions, just like those in India and the Muslims as well.
            He is behind the scenes doing a mighty work before it’s all over. He wants NONE to perish, even though millions will.

          • Vic

            We all know that anyone regardless of race or country and who is a true Christian will be saved. What do you think the
            statement ” all Israel will be saved ” is supposed to mean ?

            If you think it is talking about the State of Israel then you are totally deceived. Christians today are regarded as true Israel. So, when the Bible makes that statement it is that all Christians will be saved, not unbelieving Jews.

            Jesus is not a Jew nor was he ever a Jew. His family were not Jews. He was Hebrew. Show me in the Bible where it says that Jesus or his relatives were Jewish. Jesus came through the line of King David and he was not a Jew.

            The good seed or children are Adam and Eve’s offspring starting with
            Seth seeing Cain murdered Abel. The tares are Satan and Eve’s offspring
            that started with Cain. Cain’s offspring live on this earth today and
            are know as Kenites in the Bible.

          • Joyce White

            Vic. I don’t know where you are getting your information from, but you need to do some research.Jesus was a Jew. as were his parents and ancestors. Jew refers to people of Judea. You spit out ‘jew as if it were a filthy word. Christ was called “The Lion of Judah” King David was from the tribe of Judah, and they were all JEWS. You need to study the Bible instead of those stupid Zionist conspiracy theories. Those ideas come right from Satan. So when you pass them on, you become a servant of Satan.
            guard your thought and speech, lest Satan steals your soul

          • Vic

            I think Joyce needs to do some research.

            Jesus was an Israelite. He was a direct descendant of Levi through Aaron. Levi was a son of Jacob. Jacob was named Israel by God. Jesus was also a direct descendant of Judah through David. Judah was also a son of Jacob. Jacob’s sons were the first Israelites. Jesus was specifically an Israelite because he was a direct descendant of two of the sons of Jacob/Israel.

            Why then, does everyone say that Jesus was a Jew? Most people think that Jesus was a Jew, but Jesus was a racial Israelite, not a Jew. Israelites were the ones who were called the chosen people of God.

            Edomites, and their descendants, now called Jews, are NOT the chosen people. The fact that modern day Jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies in all of history.

            The term Jew does not come from the tribe of Judah. That is one of the many myths that the Jews want us to believe. It was the King James Bible that first used the word Jew simply because there was no J in the English alphabet until that time. Nowhere is Jew mentioned in the Bible. The Hebrew word that is translated Jew is iyudi, which means Judahite, not Jew. In wasn’t until about 1860 that the Edomites called themselves Jews. The first time the Jews were mentioned in the Bible is II Kings 15:5-6. This is in the King James. The Jews never were in Egyptian captivity. There was no such thing as a Jew in Moses time. In fact, the Pharisees claimed to be the seed line of Abraham, and they were probably correct. They were probably the off spring of Abraham and Hagar’s son Ishmael, or Abraham and his second wife Katura’s six sons. However, they were not of the seed line of Israel because they told Jesus Christ that they had never been in bondage. If they were really Israel they would have known of the bondage of Israel in Egypt and also Israel and Judah in Assyria, and the bondage of Judah in Babylon. The Jews are hybrids, and God Yahweh condemns hybridity. Because of their hybridity, they are not qualified to be God Yahweh’s chosen people.

          • Joyce White

            Vic, I am curious. Where do you find the things you are saying about the Bible? You also claim that Yahweh condemns hybridity. Yet, in Jesus’ own words, He says ” Go ye into all the world, preaching the Gospel to ALL creatures and baptizing them in My name…..” That means half-breeds as well as purebreds. As for the Pharisees claiming to be seeds of Abraham and never been in bondage, It is generally thought that they spoke as proud men because of their station in life, rather than speaking in truth. They felt challenged by this troublemaker and spoke in a haughty manner. The last point is this. You do speak for God Almighty. as to who are qualified to be His chosen people.Guard your thoughts and your tongue lest they testify against you.

          • Tom Sanford

            Jewish people who do not embrace Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are condemned to hell. See i John 2:22-24. He who denies Jesus as Christ does not have the Son or the Father either.

        • wandakate

          I too was converted by the movement of the HOLY SPIRIT at 12, however please remember that we are NOT once saved, always saved. We can forfeit our salvation. JESUS said that our names can be blotted OUT of the Book of LIFE b/c we became backslidden, had fallen away from the faith (gone into apostasy) or become lukewarm. IF you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth (have no more to do with you).
          We would have had to confess, repent and then forsake our sins and get right with GOD after we fell away.
          Our faith without our works is dead. JESUS said, You are either for me, or against me. And we are saved by faith yes, but we will be judged by our works.
          He is merciful yes and full of grace yes, but He is also firm in His teachings, and wants none to perish but many will anyway b/c of their disbelief and their disobedience to His word.
          SIN is the transgression of the law.

      • Josey

        Btw. the Bible clearly says that the end will come when after the gospel is preached to the ends of the earth.

      • Martin Walsh

        No one is condemned for not hearing the gospel. We were all born in sin, are all corrupted by sin and inherit our sin nature from Adam. It is innate even for infants, that’s why people die – even infants. All who die apart from a saving knowledge in Christ are already condemned. That’s the clear teaching of scripture. Jews are not exempt.

      • wandakate

        NO, the GODPEL of the KINGDOM will be preached into ALL the WORLD, and only then the end will come.
        We are now capable of doing that. We have bibles in every single language imaginable, and now we are blessed with the internet and it goes into all the world, and we have Missionaries (hundreds of them) scattered ALL over the world and they are bring this gospel of JESUS CHRIST into all the world.
        Muslims are now having visions, and dreams
        The people in India are doing the same and living for CHRIST
        There are many Jews that have come to know that YESHUA is their Messiah. The organization Jews for JESUS has showed them the TRUTH, and they believed.
        ALL of ISRAEL will be save before the MESSIAN appears again. JESUS will come in the clouds of heaven for ALL to see.
        The devil isn’t going to be able to pull that off and stand on a cloud and raise the dead and the antichrist or the false prophet won’t be able to either event though both of them will be indwelled with the spirit of satan himself, they will not be able to do that.
        ONLY JESUS WILL BE ABLE TO APPEAR IN THE CLOUDS…and he’s NOT appearing anywhere else, so don’t go here or there looking for Him, b/c it will NOT be Him, it will be a false JESUS, it will be an alien, or something else, somebody else, BUT it will NOT be JESUS. He said He would appear in the clouds and every eye will see Him and every knee will bow. At that time, ALL of them all over the world will know that JESUS is the KING that was going to return. He will open those graves at the 7th trumpet and He will call them all UP, and they along with the ones still on earth will “rise up” to meet HIM and His host of Angels in the clouds and they will then go to be with Him for eternity. PTL.

      • wandakate

        NO, I believe GOD’s MERCY will be good.

        • gizmo23

          So do I

    • wandakate

      GOD’s grace and mercy saves us…true, then what? Do we need to obey or follow the commandments after that?
      Sure we do…Remember James said, Our faith without our works is DEAD!
      No, we don’t get save through our works like some teach. Catholics do a lot of WORK, the Mormons send out Missionaries to every state and overseas 2 by 2 to convert people to Mormonism, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses have their magazine called the Watchtower, and they knock on doors and they try to convert people to their religion.
      THESE people can NEVER be saved that way.
      They MUST believe on the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST in order to be saved and be in the coming Kingdom of GOD.
      So, when you said, Those WORKS will follow you as a believer you said it all…They now preach a hyper grace message and a feel good gospel etc. but our SALVATION is determined by GOD’s grace 1st of all and by our WORKS secondly. Because we must be obedient, we must do our duty, it’s our obligation to serve Him in every capacity possible.
      It’s our actions that count. Actions are always louder than words.
      It’s our allegiance to him over satan that will matter in the end.
      It’s our duty to follow Him and obey His moral laws.
      He told us…IF you love me, keep my Commandments.
      NOT everybody who says to JESUS, LORD, LORD on that day is going to enter into the kingdom of GOD, but only according to JESUS the ones who DO the WILL of the FATHER GOD…

      • PN

        I find many comments above difficult to follow. Why do so many people in this dialogue write in capitals and speak AT rather than TO or WITH each other. My understanding of the teaching of Christ is based on love. It is not based on threatening people with Hell or condemning those from other faiths or none. The world is full of many different sorts of people with their own customs and religious beliefs. We can see goodness and love everywhere in the world, if we look. My incomplete understanding of Jesus’s message tells me that he came to earth to teach us about goodness and love. The decision about what happens to all of us is God’s not that of anyone who insists on their own interpretation of Jesus’s message. By all means argue and debate, but have some humility about the precise details of your beliefs and whether you know better than others. As for condemning and judging others or deciding how God will judge others of different faiths, well, you don’t need me to remind you what Jesus said…..I am sorry if my own lack of humility shows up in my comments. Yes I can see the weakness of my argument – who am I to argue with anyone about the meaning of Jesus’s message? But I have to use the mind and soul that God gave me to try and understand what Jesus said, and that’s my best effort for now!

  • gizmo23

    Bible meanings and interpretation are products of culture and societal norms. They change to adapt to conditions

    • The Last Trump

      True. People consistently try to twist and “interpret” what they WANT it to say.
      Fortunately God has declared that His Word “changes NOT” and He goes out of His way to make abundantly clear exactly what His message is for us, regardless of our games.
      Otherwise His message would be utterly useless, what with everyone taking away vastly different, and often, contradictory meanings. Some guide!

      • gizmo23

        We do have many different denominations, sects, and cults of Christians. Who is to say who is correct.

        • The Last Trump

          Whoever adheres to the clear and plain teachings of the Bible, fully accepting it as the inerrant and infallible Word of God. And can back up their positions with clear scriptural references without the need for twisting and “interpreting” passages to suit their ever changing PC agendas.
          As in the case of the Bible position on homosexuality. There is exactly ZERO misunderstanding of God’s intended plan for marriage and family.
          One has to “twist” and “interpret” away several passages, while completely ignoring others that detail precisely how intimacy between the sexes is supposed to work. No matter how badly the liberal left wish it wasn’t so.

          • gizmo23

            Thd same could be said for race relations. Go back to 1860 and see if most Christians would feel that all people should have equal rights. Most taught Ham was cursed and used the Bible to oppress black people. The Bible was interpreted to attack Jews at one time also. No one today would say women should not be allowed to vote, but churches certainly oppossed that at one time and used the Bible to justify it

          • Angel Jabbins

            Maybe people used the bible to justify those things, but the bible does not teach it is ok to oppress any race, does not teach people are free to attack Jews, does not teach that women should not be allowed to vote. People twist and misinterpret scriptures, taking verses out of context, to justify all kinds of things that fits their agenda. But if one reads the entire Word of God cover to cover…none of those things are taught. Just the opposite.

          • gizmo23

            The Bible isn’t the problem. People’s interpretations are

          • Angel Jabbins

            I assume you mean people’s misinterpretations of the Bible.

          • maranathagen67

            Well then, gizmo23, read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it’s truth to you… the Truth will set you free from all of this other foolishness. He is able to save to the uttermost. Give Him a chance… open your heart as He knocks… He won’t disappoint you. Guaranteed.

          • wandakate

            Well I will have to AMEN that with you. Many are called, but few are chosen.
            Pray for those that are lost spiritually and in need of a Savior. Only JESUS can fill that spot, that emptiness.

          • maranathagen67

            Amen and Amen! On another subject, good to hear some Christian testimony in the midst of all the destruction that folks in the south and southwest incurred this past week. Definitely a lesson for all of us. What is Christmas all about? One minute your home is beautifully trimmed for the holiday season and in the next instance everything is gone… just a pile of rubble. But if we have the greatest gift, God’s salvation in Jesus Christ, we really do have everything. Things can be replaced and those who didn’t make it and belonged to Christ are now in Glory in the presence of the One they loved. And if those on here know Christ in a personal way, then they too have the hope of eternal life and better days ahead.

          • afchief

            If they did they used the Old Testament to justify it which was and is wrong. And like most liberals you have a wrong interpretation of history!!!

            The Founders Believed Slavery Was Fundamentally Wrong.

            The overwhelming majority of early Americans and most of America’s leaders did not own slaves. Some did own slaves, which were often inherited (like George Washington at age eleven), but many of these people set them free after independence. Most Founders believed that slavery was wrong and that it should be abolished. William Livingston, signer of the Constitution and Governor of New Jersey, wrote to an anti-slavery society in New York (John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court and President of the Continental Congress, was President of this society):

            I would most ardently wish to become a member of it [the anti-slavery society] and . . . I can safely promise them that neither my tongue, nor my pen, nor purse shall be wanting to promote the abolition of what to me appears so inconsistent with humanity and Christianity. . . . May the great and the equal Father of the human race, who has expressly declared His abhorrence of oppression, and that He is no respecter of persons, succeed a design so laudably calculated to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke. 11

            John Quincy Adams, who worked tirelessly for years to end slavery, spoke of the anti-slavery views of the southern Founders, including Jefferson who owned slaves:

            The inconsistency of the institution of domestic slavery with the principles of the Declaration of Independence was seen and lamented by all the southern patriots of the Revolution; by no one with deeper and more unalterable conviction than by the author of the Declaration himself. No charge of insincerity or hypocrisy can be fairly laid to their charge. Never from their lips was heard one syllable of attempt to justify the institution of slavery. They universally considered it as a reproach fastened upon them by the unnatural step-mother country and they saw that before the principles of the Declaration of Independence, slavery, in common with every other mode of oppression, was destined sooner or later to be banished from the earth. Such was the undoubting conviction of Jefferson to his dying day. In the Memoir of His Life, written at the age of seventy-seven, he gave to his countrymen the solemn and emphatic warning that the day was not distant when they must hear and adopt the general emancipation of their slaves. “Nothing is more certainly written,” said he, “in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free.” 12

            The Founding Fathers believed that blacks had the same God-given inalienable rights as any other peoples. James Otis of Massachusetts said in 1764 that “The colonists are by the law of nature freeborn, as indeed all men are, white or black.” 13

            There had always been free blacks in America who owned property, voted, and had the same rights as other citizens. 14 Most of the men who gave us the Declaration and the Constitution wanted to see slavery abolished. For example, George Washington wrote in a letter to Robert Morris:

            I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery]. 15

            Charles Carroll, Signer of Declaration from Maryland, wrote:

            Why keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil. 16

            Benjamin Rush, Signer from Pennsylvania, stated:

            Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men. 17

            Father of American education, and contributor to the ideas in the Constitution, Noah Webster wrote:

            Justice and humanity require it [the end of slavery] – Christianity commands it. Let every benevolent . . . pray for the glorious period when the last slave who fights for freedom shall be restored to the possession of that inestimable right. 18

            Quotes from John Adams reveal his strong anti-slavery views:

            Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. . . . I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in . . . abhorrence. 19

            My opinion against it [slavery] has always been known. . . . [N]ever in my life did I own a slave. 20

            When Benjamin Franklin served as President of the Pennsylvania Society of Promoting the Abolition of Slavery he declared: “Slavery is . . . an atrocious debasement of human nature.” 21

            Thomas Jefferson’s original draft of the Declaration included a strong denunciation of slavery, declaring the king’s perpetuation of the slave trade and his vetoing of colonial anti-slavery measures as one reason the colonists were declaring their independence:

            He [King George III] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere. . . . Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. 22

            Prior to independence, anti-slavery measures by the colonists were thwarted by the British government. Franklin wrote in 1773:

            A disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed.. 23

            The Founders took action against slavery.

            The founders did not just believe slavery was an evil that needed to be abolished, and they did not just speak against it, but they acted on their beliefs. During the Revolutionary War black slaves who fought won their freedom in every state except South Carolina and Georgia. 24

            Many of the founders started and served in anti-slavery societies. Franklin and Rush founded the first such society in America in 1774. John Jay was president of a similar society in New York. Other Founding Fathers serving in anti-slavery societies included: William Livingston (Constitution signer), James Madison, Richard Bassett, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift, and many more. 25

            As the Founders worked to free themselves from enslavement to Britain, based upon laws of God and nature, they also spoke against slavery and took steps to stop it. Abolition grew as principled resistance to the tyranny of England grew, since both were based upon the same ideas. This worked itself out on a personal as well as policy level, as seen in the following incident in the life of William Whipple, signer of the Declaration of Independence from New Hampshire. Dwight writes:

            When General Whipple set out to join the army, he took with him for his waiting servant, a colored man named Prince, one whom he had imported from Africa many years before. He was a slave whom his master highly valued. As he advanced on his journey, he said to Prince, “If we should be called into an engagement with the enemy, I expect you will behave like a man of courage, and fight like a brave soldier for your country.” Prince feelingly replied, “Sir, I have no inducement to fight, I have no country while I am a slave. If I had my freedom, I would endeavor to defend it to the last drop of my blood.” This reply of Prince produced the effect on his master’s heart which Prince desired. The general declared him free on the spot. 26

            The Founders opposed slavery based upon the principle of the equality of all men. Throughout history many slaves have revolted but it was believed (even by those enslaved) that some people had the right to enslave others. The American slave protests were the first in history based on principles of God-endowed liberty for all. It was not the secularists who spoke out against slavery but the ministers and Christian statesmen.

            Before independence, some states had tried to restrict slavery in different ways (e.g. Virginia had voted to end the slave trade in 1773), but the English government had not allowed it. Following independence and victory in the war, the rule of the mother country was removed, leaving freedom for each state to deal with the slavery problem. Within about 20 years of the 1783 Treaty of Peace with Britain, the northern states abolished slavery: Pennsylvania and Massachusetts in 1780; Connecticut and Rhode Island in 1784; New Hampshire in 1792; Vermont in 1793; New York in 1799; and New Jersey in 1804.

            The Northwest Ordinance (1787, 1789), which governed the admission of new states into the union from the then northwest territories, forbid slavery. Thus, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Iowa all prohibited slavery. This first federal act dealing with slavery was authored by Rufus King (signer of the Constitution) and signed into law by President George Washington.

            Although no Southern state abolished slavery, there was much anti-slavery sentiment. Many anti-slavery societies were started, especially in the upper South. Many Southern states considered proposals abolishing slavery, for example, the Virginia legislature in 1778 and 1796. When none passed, many, like Washington, set their slaves free, making provision for their well being. Following independence, “Virginia changed her laws to make it easier for individuals to emancipate slaves,” 27 though over time the laws became more restrictive in Virginia.

            While most states were moving toward freedom for slaves, the deep South (Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina) was largely pro-slavery. Yet, even so, the Southern courts before around 1840 generally took the position that slavery violated the natural rights of blacks. For example, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled in 1818:

            Slavery is condemned by reason and the laws of nature. It exists and can only exist, through municipal regulations, and in matters of doubt,…courts must lean in favorem vitae et libertatis [in favor of life and liberty]. 28

            The same court ruled in 1820 that the slave “is still a human being, and possesses all those rights, of which he is not deprived by the positive provisions of the law.” 29

            Free blacks were citizens and voted in most Northern states and Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina. In Baltimore prior to 1800, more blacks voted than whites; but in 1801 and 1809, Maryland began to restrict black voting and in 1835 North Carolina prohibited it. Other states made similar restrictions, but a number of Northern states allowed blacks to vote and hold office. In Massachusetts this right was given nearly a decade before the American Revolution and was never taken away, either before or after the Civil War.

            Slavery and the Constitution

            The issue of slavery was considered at the Constitutional Convention. Though most delegates were opposed to slavery, they compromised on the issue when the representatives from Georgia and South Carolina threatened to walk out. The delegates realized slavery would continue in these states with or without the union. They saw a strong union of all the colonies was the best means of securing their liberty (which was by no means guaranteed to survive). They did not agree to abolish slavery as some wanted to do, but they did take the forward step of giving the Congress the power to end the slave trade after 20 years. 30 No nation in Europe or elsewhere had agreed to such political action.

            Even so, many warned of the dangers of allowing this evil to continue. George Mason of Virginia told the delegates:

            Every master of slaves is born a petty tyrant. They bring the judgement of heaven upon a country. As nations cannot be rewarded or punished in the next world, they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects, Providence punishes national sins by national calamities. 31

            Jefferson had written some time before this:

            The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. . . . And with what execration should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other. . . . And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever. 32

            Constitutional Convention Delegate, Luther Martin, stated:

            [I]t ought to be considered that national crimes can only be and frequently are punished in this world by national punishments; and that the continuance of the slave-trade, and thus giving it a national sanction and encouragement, ought to be considered as justly exposing us to the displeasure and vengeance of Him who is equally Lord of all and who views with equal eye the poor African slave and his American master. 33

            Some today misinterpret the Constitutional provision of counting the slaves as three-fifths for purposes of representation as pro-slavery or black dehumanization. But it was a political compromise between the north and the south.. The three-fifths provision applied only to slaves and not free blacks, who voted and had the same rights as whites (and in some southern states this meant being able to own slaves). While the Southern states wanted to count the slaves in their population to determine the number of congressmen from their states, slavery opponents pushed to keep the Southern states from having more representatives, and hence more power in congress.

            The Constitution did provide that runaway slaves would be returned to their owners (We saw previously that returning runaway slaves is contrary to Biblical slave laws, unless these slaves were making restitution for a crime.) but the words slave and slavery were carefully avoided. “Many of the framers did not want to blemish the Constitution with that shameful term.” The initial language of this clause was “legally held to service or labor,” but this was deleted when it was objected that legally seemed to favor “the idea that slavery was legal in a moral view.” 34

            While the Constitution did provide some protection for slavery, this document is not pro-slavery. It embraced the situation of all 13 states at that time, the Founders leaving most of the power to deal with this social evil in the hands of each state. Most saw that the principles of liberty contained in the Declaration could not support slavery and would eventually overthrow it.. As delegate to the Constitutional Convention, Luther Martin put it:

            Slavery is inconsistent with the genius of republicanism, and has a tendency to destroy those principles on which it is supported, as it lessens the sense of the equal rights of mankind, and habituates us to tyranny and oppression. 35

            We have seen that after independence the American Founders actually took steps to end slavery. Some could have done more, but as a whole they probably did more than any group of national leaders up until that time in history to deal with the evil of slavery. They took steps toward liberty for the enslaved and believed that the gradual march of liberty would continue, ultimately resulting in the complete death of slavery. The ideas they infused in the foundational civil documents upon which America was founded – such as Creator endowed rights and the equality of all men before the law – eventually prevailed and slavery was abolished. But not without great difficulty because the generations that followed failed to carry out the gradual abolition of slavery in America.

            We live under the New Testament today which is the “Grace” period. We are all created equal in God’s eyes. There is no race superior to another.

          • gizmo23

            So why didn’t they outlaw it in the constitution?

          • afchief

            Because some Christians walk by the flesh and not by the Spirit.

            I do not expect you to understand that comment.

          • wandakate

            You mean that there are MANY Christians who are claiming to be Holy and real but they are only fake and phony!
            They are in the world and they are also of the world at the same time. In other words they are hypocrites and they truth is not in them.
            JESUS said, “IF you say you love me, but you don’t obey my commandments then you are a liar, and the truth is not in you”.
            So, how many people who claim to be Christians really are?
            How many are obedient like JESUS told them to be.
            How many are them strive and focus on obeying the 10 commandments, roughly about 20% of ALL who claim to be do these things and take it seriously.
            They can ONLY walk by the flesh their human nature b/c they don’t really have access to the HOLY SPIRIT, he’s not in them, so they can’t live as He would like b/c they don’t know Him.

        • Laurence Charles Ringo

          Take Proverbs 3 : 5-6 as your guide…Oh,and Christ Himself is ALWAYS right,gizmo23…PEACE.

    • JudeThree

      Catholics, if they don’t have Christ and rely on Christ alone are going to hell. Just like anyone else. The Bible never changes gizmo, ever.

      • gizmo23

        The Bible hasn’t changed but interpretation certainly has

    • afchief

      Nope! It does not change with culture or societal norms. That is a lie. The Word of God never changes.

      • gizmo23

        The Bible doesn’t but man’s interpretations do

        • afchief

          A man without the Spirit of Christ does not understand the bible. It is impossible because the Word of God is spiritually examined. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. His Word never changes. If man relies on his own intellect to understand it, the it is left up to his interpretation. But when a Christian lets the Holy Spirit lead and guide him into all truth, it is not.

          Sin never changes. What was sin a thousand years ago is still sin today i.e. homosexuality, abortion, etc.

          • gizmo23

            The Methodist church I attended in 1970 had a dress code. No men with long hair allowed. It was taught they were going to Hell and the Bible was used to justify their actions. Societal norm or Biblical fact? Interpretation

          • afchief

            Did I not just tell you that if a Christian is lead by the Holy Spirit, He will lead and guide him into all truth? Not everyone who goes to church or who stands in a pulpit is a Christian. A man with long hair or a woman with short hair or person wearing bad cloths is going to hell because of how they look.

            God looks at your heart, man looks at the outside. What’s in your heart will condemn you. Not what you look like.

          • gizmo23

            I never said that , only that society interprets the Bible as it sees fit. My long hair example is just one case

          • afchief

            I said that.

          • gizmo23

            Why are you so fixated on gays? Is that the only issue Christians need be concerned about?

          • afchief

            That is the issue of today! Almost every homosexual who comes on Christian forums tries the bible never condemns homosexuality. Which is a boldface lie.

            They need for us to say being homosexual is the way God made them or they need us out of the way.

          • Anonymous

            Actually not only gays are the issues today… we’re not allowed to spread God’s Words while atheists are preaching around about God’s non-existence today, even in fun sites like 9gag. They’re like modern prophets dwelling in the internet. Picking verses without reading the whole context to bash, generalize Christians with other believers while Christian is more of a label and not a religion (Bible never mentions Christian is a religion and you must be a Christian to get to Heaven), and claim that God would punish anyone who has different religion. How the heck can they even read God’s thoughts while they don’t even believe in His existence?

          • gizmo23

            Where are Christians denied the right to speak?

          • wandakate

            In many countries around the world, but so far not in the USA. They can kill the body, but the spirit belongs to the LORD. He will “raise us up” on the last day.

          • wandakate

            WHAT? HOLD ON A SECOND PLEASE!!!!!!!
            What is this about we’re NOT allowed to spread GOD’s words!
            This may one day be true and one day we will be martyred for our faith and severely persecuted for it as well as JESUS told us that would happen, but it’s NOT happening as of yet.
            People are still writing books and making movies for Christians.
            There is a man in my town and he is seems her and there on the main road as well as downtown, and He carries His cross up and down the road and stands on the corner. He also has a big sign and it just says JESUS on it, and this man passes out tracts to people at the red lights and will talk to them if they approach him. He isn’t scared of what man can do to him.
            Man can kill your body, but your SPIRIT is going to GOD when you die for safe keeping and will supernaturally return to you at the resurrection of the dead.
            He knows this, that GOD has protected him on the streets of the town, and so far nobody has told him, YOU’RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAND HERE AND HOLD UP YOUR SIGN AND HAND OUT THESE PAPERS, SO FORGET ALL THIS AND GO HOME OR GO TO JAIL…
            SO, please think of what you are saying, we still LIVE and WORK, and BREATH in a FREE COUNTRY…it may NOT stay this way once Sharia law takes over and we are overrun by Islam and are forced to worship only Allah as god, but in the meantime ALL Christians have a duty to GOD to shout it from the rooftops.
            JESUS said, “IF you deny me, I will deny you before the FATHER who is in Heaven”.
            He also say, “If you’re not FOR Me, then you’re against Me”.
            Are we claiming to be FOR Him and yet we are really not?
            We ALL need to search ourselves and study to be approved and be able to testify, witness and know that we are saved. Just be still and know that He is GOD!!!

          • wandakate

            Absolutely not…We have MANY things that are tugging at our hearts, IF we are real true GOD fearing Christians.
            We have abortions to consider and the murder of innocent babies who didn’t a chance to live outside the womb, and we have apostasy to be concerned with and the great falling away of the church. We have so much to be concerned with that there is no room here to write it all.
            Gays is only one part of the equation.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Gizmo, the fact that individuals, churches, or denomination mis-interpret the Bible from time to time or by using cultural standards to override Biblical standards is no warrant for concluding that the Biblical standard has changed. It merely proves that what the Bible says is true: man frequently sets himself up as his own god. That is nothing new nor will it be eradicated until Jesus returns.

          • gizmo23

            I never said that cultural standards override the Bible. I just believe it is interpreted using cultural standards

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            When it is interpreted that way, it is done so in error. The great Christian reformers – Frederick Douglass, William Wilberforce, Dr. MLK, Jr, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Pastor Niemoller, to name just a few – certainly never interpreted it using culture as their guide.

          • afchief

            Society/generations/cultures are always trying to interpret the bible to justify their sin. It has been happening for thousands of years. If you do not have the Spirit of Christ living in you, you will never understand what the Word of God says.

            1 Corinthians 2:14 (NASB) But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

            You have to be born again first!

            John 3:3 (NASB) Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

          • wandakate

            AFCHIEF, people who are not Christians and do not yet know the LORD don’t know what being born again is, and may think you’re just crazy or totally insane.
            You need to explain this to them. It’s NOT a physical rebirth, but a spiritual re-birth. The old self that once was is gone and the new self will come in and be changed, different, thus ultimately better. They don’t know like we do.
            They are babies remember, they don’t know anything about real meat yet…they are not saved as thus not aware of the things of GOD.

          • afchief

            Your right!

          • wandakate

            YES, true, and even though many can’t afford nice things, if their hearts are right they will be saved and be with JESUS, however if the dress like a million bucks (like many pastors and their elite wives) that doesn’t mean a thing. Many of those people are NOT right with GOD, and they will perish in the pits of hell, and what they looked like in this life or what they lived in or what kind of vehicle they drove or what kind of private plane they happen to own, NONE of that is relevant.
            JESUS doesn’t give a diddily squat about any of it, it’s what in the HEART that counts, and our obedience to Him combined with His mercy and grace for us.

          • wandakate

            WELL, it so happens that JESUS Himself had long hair in His day and age and He certainly didn’t ascend into hell, but when to heaven after his resurrection and ascension.
            Things do change over the centuries of course they do and no sane person could deny that. I have lived many years, been there, done that and it sure has changed and is still changing.
            Our culture changes, GOD is the same yes, but the people change. Our movies changed, our television programs changed, our music has changed, our lives have changed, our churches sure have made some big changes for the worse unfortunately, many things have changed and will continue to change until JESUS Himself has His glorious appearing.

          • Stanley Trent Bemis

            there are no passages in either the Hebrew or christian scriptures in the protestant bible-there are more books in both the roman catholic n in the Greek orthodox bibles then protestants have-which speak about abortion as being a sin.this,however,was n is a catholic tradition that was picked up by evangelicals in the last century.If you don’t believe in abortions n you’re a woman,by all means,don’t have one.

          • afchief

            That’s because you do not understand scripture or know God’s heart. We Christians do!!!! We know that God is the author of life and know life starts in the womb.

            You are typical of the lost and what the Word of God states

            ;Romans 1:18 (NASB) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

          • wandakate

            Congratulations, you wrote an entire comment and I don’t see the word that you always use that word “LIAR” or “LIE”…
            Everybody and everything is a lie. Sometimes it refreshing to read a comment without that word, or those words in it.

          • wandakate

            Of course the WORD “abortion” isn’t in any of them. They didn’t have that options back then did they.
            Translated it’s called MURDER…it’s taking a human life and disposing of it, and is no different than any other murder or what ISIS has done when they cut off people’s heads, it’s all the same in the eyes of GOD, punishable by DEATH…

      • MadinChicago

        The Bible has changed with all the different versions and translations. That cannot be said about the Quran. There is one version that has painstakingly been preserved. Through Gabrial, God instructed Muhammad that it should not be altered.

        • afchief

          Islam is straight from the pits of hell.

        • Anonymous

          Quran has many violence teaching verses that many of Muslim followers don’t know. Some of them keep it that way to hide the truth too. And what do you say after seeing this: Quran is out far after Bible, has some same stories with Bible, but has verses that are against Christianity, and claims Islam as the right religion…? You already know how it is clearly made up to gain followers.

        • maranathagen67

          Yep, and it’s still saying to cut off the toes and the hands and the heads of the infidels (anyone who is not a Moslem). Is ISIS the only Muslims who are taking this seriously?

        • wandakate

          I know because it has to be the best most true book right? That is why it’s the number ONE best selling book of all time, b/c it has the ultimate truth and Allah is GOD, and Islam is the religion and Mohammed was the prophet…YEP, that’s gotta be it…no doubt.
          But then I have a big island for sale in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean too and on my island is a stature of the Quran or Koran (I’ve seen it spelled both ways), and it’s included in the price of the island.
          NO, please don’t everybody call me all at once…oh my no, I’ll get overwhelmed.
          SOLD to the first decent bidder.

        • Joyce White

          Madin Chicago. There are many different ‘bibles”. Some written in more modern language, some with extra books, which theologians believe are not “divinely inspired”. However, the message of the Bible is never changed. God said “I am the same yesterday, today and tomorrow” He does not change. The plan of salvation has not changed. ACTS 2: 37-41 When you study the Bible, you can cross-reference the scriptures. You can see how it all comes together. The Bible was written by about 40 different men, over a period of 1500 years. It would have taken someone with a massive computer system to correlate the whole thing., but it was done by Monks and Scholars in different parts of the known world to translate and divide the words. A daunting task at best. Only the hand of God could have made it work. As an experiment, ask 40 friend or family members (preferavbly living in other cities) to each write a short story of a couple of paragraphs. Just an imaginary story about a man and woman and their farm, or whatever. Collect all the stories and try to put them together in a cohesive story, and see what you get. It should be interesting

    • Anonymous

      Please atheists, don’t claim this kind of bullshit like other atheists to create arguments. Christian means followers of Christ and Catholics believe in Jesus. And what Graham said is true. Don’t let your atheist fanaticism make you ignorant… you don’t even know meaning of the word Christian itself.

      • gizmo23

        I am not an atheist

        • maranathagen67

          Well then you must be an agnostic then….

          • gizmo23

            No, I just don’t consider myself a fundamentalist

          • maranathagen67

            But what is a fundamentalist but a Bible believing Christian who loves the Lord and His Word? We stand on the principles and doctrines of the faith as expressed and declared in God’s infallible, authoritative Word. Now if you are a liberal, then you do not see the Word as God’s sole authority in matters of doctrine and practice. Liberals pick and choose what they want to believe… buffet style. Is that God’s method and teaching? “All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for…..”

          • gizmo23

            Well this was good until politics entered it.

    • maranathagen67

      125 years ago many churches taught that Catholics wouldn’t get into Heaven ….and they should be still teaching it. It’s still a system of good works, myths, and empty rituals. Trouble is a lot of Protestant churches have apostatized and no longer preach the truth themselves. The church of Rome tries to tell us that it’s through the mass and the sacraments and baptism that people are saved. They won’t find that in the Scriptures.

      For by grace through faith we are saved and that not of ourselves, not of works, lest any man should boast. Repent Rome.

      • gizmo23

        The Bible doesn’t say that nothing died before the fall, that it didn’t rain before Noah, that there was a dome of water over the planet, that Moses parted the waters, and that there will be a rapture yet many Christians believe those things. Why?

        • maranathagen67

          You need some review work there …. the Bible doesn’t lie….

          • gizmo23

            The Bible doesn’t say any of those things I stated and no one has been ever able to show me where it does. Yet I’ll bet 90 % of evangelical Christians believe them to be part of Scripture.

          • maranathagen67

            For some of those issues there are arguments for and against. Check them out; e.g., Question: “Had it ever rained before the Flood in Noah’s day?”

            Some interpret Hebrews 11:7
            as saying it had never rained prior to the Flood: “By faith Noah, when
            warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his
            family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the
            righteousness that comes by faith.” Rain could be the correct
            understanding of “things not yet seen,” or it could be referring to the
            Flood in general.

            Genesis 2:6
            says, “But streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface
            of the ground.” Before the Flood (Genesis chapters 6-9), the earth was
            possibly surrounded by a “firmament” or canopy of water, creating a
            greenhouse effect on the earth’s climate. These would have been the
            waters that God released, causing the Flood. It seems that before the
            Flood the dew and ample water supply were enough to keep creation
            watered. The Bible does not specifically tell us whether or not it had
            rained before the Flood. Noah seemed to understand what rain was when
            God mentioned it to him (Genesis 7:4-5). Genesis 2:4-6
            mentions that God did not send rain on the earth until after He created
            Adam and Eve. We can speculate that it had rained before the Flood,
            but, again, the Bible does not specifically say.

            Did Moses part the waters? No, it was God. Once again, read the Scriptures. According to the Exodus account, Moses
            held out his staff and the Red Sea was parted by God. The Israelites
            walked on dry ground and crossed the sea, followed by the Egyptian army.
            Moses again moved his staff once the Israelites had crossed and the sea closed again, drowning the whole Egyptian army.

            And the Rapture? Question: “What is the rapture of the church?”

            The word rapture does not occur in the Bible. The term comes from
            a Latin word meaning “a carrying off, a transport, or a snatching
            away.” The concept of the “carrying off” or the rapture of the church is
            clearly taught in Scripture.

            The rapture of the church is the event in which God “snatches away” all
            believers from the earth in order to make way for His righteous judgment
            to be poured out on the earth during the tribulation period. The
            rapture is described primarily in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50–54.
            God will resurrect all believers who have died, give them glorified
            bodies, and take them from the earth, along with all living believers,
            who will also be given glorified bodies at that time. “For the Lord
            Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice
            of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in
            Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left
            will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in
            the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17).

            The rapture will involve an instantaneous transformation of our bodies
            to fit us for eternity. “We know that when he [Christ] appears, we shall
            be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).
            The rapture is to be distinguished from the second coming. At the
            rapture, the Lord comes “in the clouds” to meet us “in the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
            At the second coming, the Lord descends all the way to the earth to
            stand on the Mount of Olives, resulting in a great earthquake followed
            by a defeat of God’s enemies (Zechariah 14:3–4).

            The doctrine of the rapture was not taught in the Old Testament, which
            is why Paul calls it a “mystery” now revealed: “Listen, I tell you a
            mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash,
            in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will
            sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed” (1 Corinthians 15:51–52).

            The rapture of the church is a glorious event we should all be longing
            for. We will finally be free from sin. We will be in God’s presence
            forever. There is far too much debate over the meaning and scope of the
            rapture. This is not God’s intent. Rather, the rapture should be a
            comforting doctrine full of hope; God wants us to “encourage each other
            with these words” (1 Thessalonians 4:18).

            Gizmo23, has your eyes been opened to the Truth yet? Have you believed to the saving of your soul? If not, then you are still lost in the desert of unbelief, blinded by sin and pride. Consequently you will never really see spiritually and understand until you come to that point and surrender to Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

          • gizmo23

            I shall respond to these when I can get to my computer instead of my phone. Thanks

    • Bill Scudder

      gizmo: Most Catholics still won’t get to heaven unless they forsake the RCC and believe in Christ alone for salvation. The RCC is a false Chritian church.

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  • dongszkie

    As Jesus said, “by their fruits you will recognized them.” in comparing genuine Christians as against imitation ones..Matt.7:13-16,21..The Father and son Grahams are in conflict with their teachings about their purported Christianity but are in the same category of imitation Christians that Jesus and apostles warned us against, the weeds class..Matt.13:24-30 The father is acting and preaching like politicians (trying to appeased and pleased everyone, instead of sticking to Jesus’ teachings) while the son is trying his best to teach in line with what he thought to be Christ teachings,but short from it also.

  • Ed Scott Barnett

    Matt 7: 6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

  • Janiece Desmond

    i think Obama is paying off these so called Religious leaders

  • crusader51

    God’s Righteous Judgment

    2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do
    the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

    5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are
    storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

    12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

  • Tony Robinson

    Let God be true and everyman a liar. There is only one name given among men whereby we must be saved.

    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      Preach it,Brother Tony! God Bless You!! Be encouraged,Bro…God’s got a people,though there be only a Remnant! PRAISE HIM!!!

      • wandakate

        AMEN! and that remnant will come from ALL over the world. They are going to be called out from every single denomination (church) in the land. They are going to be of all color, and not just from one country or place or church.
        Catholics think its’ only them from the Mother Church that will be there, and my uncle Butch told me that his church was the ONLY true church and if I want’s a member of it, I would go to hell, and he belonged to the United Church of Christ.
        So, you see people are SO deceived and programmed and think they will be there when they won’t be.
        We can be sincere, and be sincerely WRONG!
        JESUS said, ONLY those who do the will of the FATHER are going to be in Heaven (the coming Kingdom of GOD on earth).

    • HalYourPal


    • John Barrett

      Take it easy Francis. Think about who Jesus welcomed with open arms. Think man!
      You might know your Bible son but you sure don’t have a clue about God.

  • JohnCalla

    This idea that Muslims and Christians have the same god is really unfortunate (and old). It’s true that Islam took many elements from Christianity and Judaism, but it’s just plainly a false religion wrapped around a political system. Saying we worship the same god is muddying the waters, and doesn’t really help.

    And there is too much reliance on this idea of “invincible ignorance” for salvation, especially in the modern era where information is becoming easily available.

    Ecumenism was an interesting effort but is pretty much a failure. Time to get back to brass tacks.

  • MadinChicago

    In Islam, God has 99 names. They include The Almighty, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful, The King of Mankind, The Judge, The Eternal, The Absolute, among many others. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Arab Christians call God Allah as do Arab Muslims. So Allah is a direct, specific reference to the One, Almighty God who created the heavens and the Earth and every living being from the beginning of time.

    • Martin Walsh

      You couldn’t be more wrong. The word Allah is not neutral, it conveys a meaning and attribution when used by Muslims that is not the same when Arab Christians use it. Muslims positively deny the deity of Christ, thus they reject the one true God. They do not know Him nor can they ever know Him apart from His Son. Matt 11:27

      • MadinChicago

        Unfortunately the Christians deny the One True God. The Almighty is ONE, not three. Why would God need a son and a spirit when He is omniscient, can be everywhere at all times. The Christians of today got it wrong, and they are afraid when they hear the word Islam because it brings all their beliefs into question. God reveals Himself to whom He chooses. Some will be left blind to Him with hearts as hard as rocks, while others will see Him as the One God and rejoice. Praise be to God, Alhamdulillah!

        • Nidalap

          Oh! So THAT’S why people are afraid when they hear the word Islam! I had thought it had something to do with all the terr-, ah, ‘holy martyrs’ out there! Thanks for the info! (^_^)

        • Martin Walsh

          Being and personhood are different. There is only one God, eternal in being and essence. Yet, three persons share in the eternal being of God – the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It’s very clear that the author of the Quran did not understand the trinity and misrepresents it as the Father, Son and Mary. So if “Allah” wrote the Quran, how did he get it so wrong in describing what Christians believe, if he is God as you claim?

          • MadinChicago

            See my post.

          • Martin Walsh

            I did and I responded to it. How about responding to mine.

    • libertybells2

      Weird, weird, weird.

  • MadinChicago

    The problem is that Christians invented the trinity, There was the book of Barnabus in the Old Testament that was removed. In that book was reference to the coming of a prophet named Muhammad. The first Christians are considered Muslims. The trinity was created by men to misguide the Christians. God sent the Quran through the Angel Gabrial to Muhammad to set mankind straight about belief in Him.

    • Martin Walsh

      This is pure fiction. For a start the Gospel of Barnabas purported to be a gospel account and part of the NT. However it is a known medieval forgery dating from the 14th century and most scholars believe it was written by a Muslim to cohere with the Quaranic account of Jesus because the real gospels obviously contradict the Qurans claims.

    • Anonymous

      Basically Quran’s stories were stolen from Bible scrolls, but Quran claims that Islam is “the true religion” while bashing Christianity in its verses. It’s clearly made up to gain followers, and biggest lie ever made in this world. Bible says nothing about religion but just to believe in Christ or be His followers, by doing what He wants. God loves all human beings, His creations.

    • libertybells2


  • FoJC_Forever

    Billy Graham is wrong. Follow Jesus, not anyone else.

  • Sandra Patrick Nastasi Gaston

    Muslims want crosses removed. Talk to your neighbors, friends and let’s do it.
    ATTENTION ALL AMERICANS, everyone put a cross out in your yard on your house on your business every where if every body puts a cross out it displays that we are united against Muslims taking away our traditional values of christianity

  • Doug Gentry

    I wonder what Franklin Graham’s response would be if this professor, or anyone else for that matter, had placed a menorah on her desk in solidarity with Jews, who also don’t believe in Jesus or even the same God by Franklin’s definition?

  • Reason2012

    // “I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ—whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ,” Billy Graham said. “And that’s what God is doing today. He’s calling people out of the world for His name.” //

    God’s not calling people out of the world “for His name” if they have no clue what His name is: Jesus Christ or thinks His name if muhhamad instead.

  • maranathagen67

    There is none other name given among men whereby we must be saved. Whose name is that? Jesus Christ, of course. Jesus Christ is God’s Son and yet He is also God the Son, the second member of the Trinity. If people fail or refuse to repent and place their faith solely in the finished work of Christ, then they are still in their sins, lost and under the condemnation of those sins, and headed for an eternity in HELL. Ye must be born again. There is no other option. There is a broad road and a narrow road; the first is well traveled, leading to damnation and the fires of everlasting perdition; the second whose numbers are much smaller is a gathering of the saints whose destiny is Heaven. There is a lot of religion and good works that will fail the test whether they be Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc. etc. For by grace are you saved by faith; it is the gift of God; not of works, lest any man boast. Which road are you on, my friend? On the subject of Billy Graham’s interviews, he needs to explain those compromising statements and repent of those remarks while at the same time reinstating his Biblical convictions that mankind is lost apart from a saving relationship with Jesus Christ. There is no alternative… there is no other way: Jesus said, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no man (woman) cometh unto the Father except by Me. The final Word ….God has spoken.

    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      I’m with you,”maranthagen67…to say I was surprised that the senior Graham had uttered those statements would be an understatement to say the least! Wow!! And we wonder why many of those who are presumably “God’s People”are stumbling around in confusion and disarray! I myself am of the humble opinion that,as Abraham asked in Genesis, “Will not the God of all the Earth do right”? The adherents of religions,or no religions,will be judged in fairness by Almighty God,of this I have no doubt.God’s Born-again, Blood-bought, Spirit-filled Children /Servants are called to preach,teach,and walk in obedience to His revealed His,Written AND Living,as He commanded,no more and no less…all this nonsensical tweaking and parsing of the Word of God trying to make it say what it clearly doesn’t is an exercise in futility; those who do so are…”the blind leading to blind: both will fall into the ditch”…as our Beloved Saviour said.God bless you,maranthagen67!! Stay strong in the Lord and the power of His might! I share with you my foundational verse for daily living: ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not to your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will direct your paths” (Proverbs 3 : 5-6)—PEACE IN CHRIST, ALWAYS! NO OTHER NAME GIVEN UNDER HEAVEN WHEREBY MEN MUST BE SAVED!! AMEN!

      • maranathagen67

        Amen brother…. thanks for the encouragement…. we all need it these days. Perilous times are here, filling men’s hearts with fear…. Jesus is coming soon!
        PS: I realize that Billy Graham has been used of God in reaching millions with the gospel and he will be rewarded accordingly. But those remarks need to be retracted and corrected. It does create confusion and it baffles me why he would say them. Did he not have regrets? I appreciate the boldness of Franklin these days. But we are of the flesh and the flesh errs in all of us. I thought that Billy and Franklin made a major mistake when they endorsed Romney in your last election (I’m Canadian and we have an Obama-north as Prime Minister… pray for us!). Carry on, brother… stand strong in the faith.

  • Ax2root

    Jesus is THE CHRIST..the ONLY NAME Under heaven by which we may be saved, HE IS THE TRUTH, THE WAY, AND THE LIFE AND LIGHT

    YESHUA / which is the Name of Jesus the Christ, means God saves.

    The Wheaton Professor is ignorant.

  • American4Truth

    The Muslim god is named, Allah. He is a dreamed up god of the evil and barbaric man called, Muhammed.
    And, Billy Graham is very wrong when he states that people of different religions can go to heaven. The Bible explicitly states that you must believe in Jesus Christ and be born again in order to go to heaven and live for eternity with our heavenly Father.

    • libertybells2

      Exactly otherwise his death on the cross means nothing.

  • 1PierreMontagne1

    The God of the Bible says “I cannot lie”

    Num19 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

    Heb. 6:18: “It is impossible for God to lie.”

    One of the Korans many names for Allah is “The Great Deceiver”

    John 8:44 – Ye are of your father the devil… there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    To worship Allah as being the same as the God of Bibie is to worship a Schizophrenic lying monster…which is typical of the Allah of the Koran and impossible for the God of the bible.

    We are left with but one conclusion the worship of Allah is the worship of Satan.

  • archaeologist

    billy graham was expressing a personal opinion not making a theological statement of fact

    • No such thing.

    • libertybells2

      Not so…when he speaks many listen and believe because of his supposed biblical “wisdom”.

  • Kena

    Question. What happens to those Saints who died before Christ?

  • Carly Taylor

    I don’t exactly agree with what Billy graham says however I don’t believe these people are typically compatible with other religions etc. They should not be allowed to immigrate in large numbers whatsoever. You can look to Michigan and their sharia law, bans on alcohol, call to prayer. They are only getting their feet wet. Europe is not through with its problems they will only get worse. However at this point they are dealing with no go zones, rape capitals, lockdowns, seizing of military grade weapons from mosques, random stabbings on streets, etc. The list goes on. I will say the US and Europe should not be sticking their nose in the ME creating terrorists and policing the world. We need to mind our own business take care of our own country and pray for the rest. We cannot call ourselves Christians and allow a faith that calls for no freedom of religion or ignore our own which the bible states is worse than an infidel. It’s like a slap in the face to God. Many religious leaders are twisting the hyperboles of Jesus, but when did God ever want his people around unbelievers? This is worse because they wish to destroy our faith. Europe’s problems are currently bigger than ours and they are the ones calling to no longer be called a Christian nation. It all makes sense.

  • Claudia

    How can anyone believe there is only one God and then saying someone else is worshipping a different God?

  • The Bible is the source of all truth, not Billy Graham. Popular evangelists become popular by preaching a messages the world likes. “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” (Luke 6:26)

  • cadcoke5

    I know I am commenting on an older article. But, it came up as a recommended link. The important pertinent scripture is not in the article, and is certainly the specific scripture Mr. Graham had in mind when he spoke. So, I felt it was important to remind believers about it.

    Romans 2:14 When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

  • Bacchus

    How can people be so stupid? Jesus is the only salvation. Jesus never sinned, Allah taught muhammad that lying is acceptable. Jesus said “If you love me keep my commandments” Allah is Satan in the tribulation. Islam is totally EVIL.

  • Harry Oh!

    Back when the Schuller interview was first posted on the internet, I wrote a letter to the Billy Graham Ministry asking for an explanation. To my surprise they replied stating that BG was suffering from early dementia and didn’t mean anything he said! But BG is a well known ecumenist and these comments play right along with that mindset, so he obviously meant every word.

  • ShemSilber

    Perish the thought that Yahuwah Almighty of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the same one whom Islam worships under the name “Allah,” who is the one whom we call Satan the devil, upon whom sentence will be served before long, when he is cast into Gei-Hinnom, the Lake of Fire that was made just for him, for his rebellion against the Creator who made him perfect, but then he ruined his character by demanding worship for himself, instead of giving credit where credit is due, to the Creator without whom we would not even exist.

    May the time be soon when the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) returns to raise all His saints from the dead and also change those living at His coming into their ageless bodies that He has prepared for them, omein!

  • Robert

    Billy Graham believes Jesus is his only savior he has confessed that. And he is wrong about other ways to heaven besides Faith in Jesus We know that by the bible.And his own son has told him he was wrong about that.

  • SojournerLee

    John 14:6 Jesus Christ said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Jesus is either correct or a liar.

  • maam2u

    i don’t think he really explained it well, but i think it’s true that some who never heard the Truth of Christ can still be saved at the last moment at time of death. Because they would have accepted Christ if they had been given any (appropriate) intro to Him. And at that last moment, He will reveal Himself to them as a last chance, knowing that they will receive Him as they leave this earth. These would indeed be people who had sought the true spiritual light, and had the tendency to live by the more pure conscience, that spark of light which the real God does give inside people (til they get hijacked by evil society).

  • maam2u

    There’s a problem for all the arabic speaking christians, because in their bibles or common usage i believe they DO refer to God as Allah. so someone needs to sort that out with them!

  • cv

    Anyone who has read a little of the Koran will find that Allah is not the same as the Christian God, and I think most Muslims would say that is true.

  • Harry Oh!

    Back when this video first hit YouTube, I wrote to Billy Graham ministries asking for clarification. They actually replied stating that BG did not mean what he said and was suffering from bouts of dementia! But his statement does line up with his well publicized Ecumenical tendencies. Glad his son knows the truth though.