Filipinos Engage in Annual Ritual of Whipping, Crucifying Themselves: Video

Philippines-compressedSAN PEDRO CUTUD, Philippines — Thousands in the heavily Roman Catholic country of the Philippines looked on as their neighbors engaged in self-flagellation in the streets, while others volunteered themselves to be nailed to the cross for the Good Friday holiday.

The tradition, while criticized by local Roman Catholic leaders who would prefer to see “good works” from followers rather than punishment, has reportedly been carried out for decades. And although various Filipino cities observe the practice known as “Senakulo,” Barangay San Pedro Cutud is the most known for the ritual.

According to the Associated Press, the whippings and crucifixions are carried out with “the belief that such extreme sacrifices are a way to atone for their sins, attain miracle cures for illnesses or give thanks to God.” Some walk the streets beating their bare backs bloody while others gather to watch the men who volunteer themselves to be nailed to the cross.

This year was no exception, as many flogged themselves with bamboo sticks in reenacting the suffering of Christ, and over a dozen men were crucified.

“You actually feel good, because you know some of your sins are being forgiven,” Joel Yutoc, 23, told the AFP.

Ruben Enaje, 55, has given himself to be nailed to the cross in San Pedro Cutud each year for the past 30 years. He says that he began the ritual after surviving a fall from a three-story building in the 1980’s.

“If it was up to me, I would have retired already, because I can feel the growing pain from being struck by nails and the weight of the cross,” he told reporters, “but I’m not going to refuse because if I did, I may end up in the hospital again.”

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Enjae said that for nine years, he used the crucifixion to seek healing for his daughter’s asthma, and another nine for his wife, who has a lump on her jaw.

He said that this year, he was offering up prayers for those affected by the Brussels bombing and others affected by ISIS.

Ronald Lazaro, Crisaldo Macaspac, Bernardo Calosa, Ramil Lazaro, Victor Caparas and Byron Gopez were also crucified in San Pedro Cutud. “Faith healers” Michael Katigbak, JonJon Tanael and Precy Valencia were nailed to crosses in Bulacan.

“This is my personal way of thanking Him for healing me,” said Willie Van Salvador, who was crucified in Barangay San Juan. “I know you would not believe me, but God helped me recover from a nervous breakdown.”

“That’s some kind of extreme sacrifice,” onlooker Renato del Carmen, 43, told reporters.

As previously reported, in January, an estimated half a million Filipinos participated in the annual Feast of the Black Nazarene procession, seeking to touch a wooding carving of Jesus carrying the cross out of their belief that it possesses healing powers. The event takes place every January 9th in Manila.

Those who observe the occasion, which includes men, women and children alike, usually walk the streets barefoot as a gesture of reverence toward the statue. Some carry cloths as they seek to press up against the carving.

The vast majority of Filipinos—approximately 80 percent—are Roman Catholic. An estimated 2.8 percent of the population profess to be evangelical Christians.

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  • bowie1

    The problem with this is it takes away from the works of Christ who alone can atone for our sins.

    • Christ alone indeed – and he called us to remember his suffering by bread and wine, not by crucifixion. These folks do have half a point though: your body should serve Christ, and be made to be like him, and there are many verses to this effect in scripture. While I am not there to ask them, perhaps some part of their body caused them to sin, and they are putting Christ’s words into literal effect?

      But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus. That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the
      fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death…

  • SSGT_Randolph

    When I read stories like this, I’m always reminded of Monty Python. If Mr. Enaje can endure and survive 30 years of this nonsense, why did Jesus have such a problem with it?

    • Carlos M


  • Oboehner

    Taking the catholic cult thing to a whole new level. If they didn’t die, they weren’t doing it right.

    • Quantz

      Of course all the other Christians are “cults” – yours is the exception. It take a special kind of arrogance to tell Christians who’ve been around almost 2000 years that they’re doing it wrong but your 30 year old group is the real deal.

      • Becky

        Christians are followers of Christ and they’ve been around since the beginning. Catholicism hasn’t. Sadly, Catholics are still in the dark about God’s word. Read your bible…learn the truth…it will set you free.

        “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
        2 Timothy 2:15

        “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.”
        Isaiah 28:10

        “Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
        John 8:31,32

        • Quantz

          It’s really sad when you tell the original Christians they aren’t Christians at all. You must be either a fundamentalist, SDA or Jehovah’s Witness, because all other Christians give Catholics their due respect – they codified the Bible and have been around far longer than other denominations. Ever heard of the Protestant Reformation? Ever wonder who it was they were reforming against?

          • Becky

            Absolute nonsense.

            Catholics are not Christians. Catholicism was born from paganism and continues to exist in paganism…right down to their god on earth…their pompous pope. Therefore, catholics are pagans…idol-worshipers.

            Btw, I’m neither of those you mentioned.

          • Quantz

            Absolute hateful garbage.

            Read a history book sometime. Look up CATHOLIC in the dictionary for heaven’s sake, it will tell you they weren’t just Christians but the original ones.

            The pope is just the human leader of the church…just like YOUR church has a human leader. Don’t even TRY to tell me it doesn’t because they ALL do.

            They don’t worship idols. I was in a Catholic church last week for a wedding. They had Bibles, Bible readings, Christ on the cross…all the things you are denying.

          • Diaris

            Learn some courtesy or stay away, gizmo.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I can’t imagine what Quantz said that you think is flag-worthy. Is having a theological disagreement against the rules here?

          • Quantz

            I’m not Gizmo, but I know who he is and I like him.

            You have funny ideas about courtesy when there’s people here telling the original Christians that they’re pagans.

          • Becky

            I speak absolute truth.

            I know all about the history of the catholic church. Perhaps you should read about its history from non-biased facts, instead of catholic publications.

            The pompous pope is more than “just the human leader of the church”. He’s called “Vicarius Filii Dei” to this day. He and his priests believe and teach their followers that they have the power, right here on earth, to forgive sins and the power to alter and/or remove God’s laws. They’re teaching lies. Only God Almighty through Christ can forgive sins and only he can change his laws.

          • Quantz

            Non-biased facts…like the dictionary, you mean?

            Look it up for yourself. Is the dictionary lying to you?

            The priests don’t forgive sins, they are witnesses. God forgives the sins. And anyway it says in the book of James to “confess sins to one another.” This is hatred, pure and simple.

          • Becky

            The truth is not hatred.

            James 5:16 says to confess your sins and pray for one another that you may be healed. It says nothing about confessing sins to a priest, so he can prescribe his so-called penance in order to be supposedly forgiven by him.

            The pope proclaims that he has the power to forgive sins. In fact, in September 2015, the pompous pope wrote that he would temporarily allow his priests to forgive the sin of abortion (which is normally not done until a ton of penance is completed, according to the catholic church and not God’s word)…

            ‘“I have decided, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, to concede to all priests for the Jubilee Year the discretion to absolve of the sin of abortion those who have procured it and who, with contrite heart, seek forgiveness for it,’ the pope said in a letter addressed to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, president of the Pontifical Council.”

            What is terribly sad is that these women will seek forgiveness from a false god (pope/priest) that cannot absolve anyone’s sins, therefore they will remain guilty before God. Forgiveness can only come from God Almighty through Christ, alone.

          • Quantz

            It says confess sins to one another, which would include priests, but once again, in the confessional, the confession goes to GOD, not the priest who is just a witness. And other Christians do confession as well, such as some Lutherans.

            Admit it, your fundamentalist church has taught you to hate Catholics. And you have not got history on your side, nor the dictionary which says quite plainly that Catholics are Christians. Almost no one would make such an absurd claim.

          • Charles

            So.. You’re a Christian because a dictionary says so.. I’ve heard it all now…

          • Quantz

            No, Charles. A Catholic is a Christian because the dictionary says so. Try to keep up.

          • Coach

            A dictionary is useless on the day of judgement. Jesus said “you must be born again”. Defend this practice all you want, but it’s demonic. Praying to anyone besides God is demonic. Quartz, you need to repent and trust alone in Jesus Christ for salvation. False religion damns souls and I won’t defend denominations because many of them are filled with apostasy. Believe the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

            Many think they’re going to heaven because they go to church, call themselves Christians and followed some formula for salvation (ex. With every eye closed, if you want to go to heaven, raise your hand) and live as a slightly cleaner version of the rest of the world.

            You can’t atone for your own sins, your good deeds are as filthy rags according to Isaiah 64:6, it’s impossible to please God without faith according to Hebrews 11:6, anything done apart from faith is sin according to Romans 14:23, Romans 3 gives details of the depths of man’s wickedness and the fact that apart from the grace of God, people don’t even try to please God.

            You are a sinner in the hands of an angry God who has mercy on whomever He wills according to Romans 9:18, so contrary to what’s commonly taught today, man doesn’t have free will, God does and I praise God for His sovereign grace, because apart from the Spirit of God converting a soul, nobody can choose Christ and are stuck in religious rituals.

            Quantz, I pray God kills your trust in everything else and that you would trust alone in Jesus Christ, He is mighty to save to the uttermost. How shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? as written in Hebrews 2:3

          • Quantz

            Sorry Coach, but history shows that Catholics were Christians hundreds of years before anyone else (apart from the Orthodox). The dictionary confirms it, so you can’t say that they aren’t Christians, it’s simply not true. There might be things they do that you don’t like (just as you do lots of things THEY don’t like) but it doesn’t negate their Christianity one bit. Trust me on this one, I went to many Catholic church services in my youth and everyone there worshipped Christ.

            Also, you talk about praying to anyone else…that’s nonsense. A prayer to Mary is actually a prayer THROUGH Mary. The Catholics ask Mary to pray FOR them. That’s intercessory prayer and no different than asking your friend or family member to pray for you.

            And Catholics don’t believe good works alone will get you into heaven. That’s a fundamentalist lie. They believe it’s a combination of good works and grace through faith. As for religious rituals, they may do nothing but they if they are attractive and make people feel closer to God then I see no harm in them.

            Your heart has been hardened by hatred because of an angry faith that does not understand Catholicism. Catholics already believe in Jesus Christ and don’t turn to anyone else for their salvation. Sorry if you have a hard time with that.

          • Charles

            And none of that is Biblical. Thanks…

          • Quantz

            How do you expect things that happened after the Bible to be in the Bible?

          • Becky

            All that is written within the holy bible is the beginning and the end of our time.

          • Quantz

            I see, so the Bible is magic.

          • empathylouis

            Well, actually, the early Church did often make requests to saints to pray for them, though. The catacombs are littered with saint requests. The earliest prayer to Mary was from 200 AD. Just because their isn’t any biblical basis, does not mean that the Early Church did not hold to it or practice it.

          • Josey

            Follow Christ and His word not history and what you said isn’t Biblical for the true church and bride of Christ began after Christ rose from the grave, all other religions that followed have perverted the gospel of Christ and have added to the scriptures or twisted scripture or taken away from scriptures. Read Acts and listen to the message Peter gave on the day of Pentecost on how one becomes saved.

          • Quantz

            First problem here, not all churches are “Sola Scriptura” – in the early days scripture was one piece, church teachings were another and sacred traditions were third. Three pieces working together acting as a checks and balances system. You elected to discard two of those three things calling them “man made” (as if the Bible isn’t – and if you think it isn’t, why are there so many different translations?) On whose authority did you discard them, and why do you expect other people to do so just because you did?

            Secondly, no, Catholics didn’t add to the Bible. Heretics took books OUT which they didn’t happen to like. The Maccabees books, for instance. I’m sure you also love telling people that purgatory isn’t Biblical. Well, yes it is, but you allowed heretics to remove the books that included it (2 Maccabees).

            You would do well to have a history lesson Josey.

          • Coach

            You just proved my point.

          • Charles

            ha ha.. The original Christians had nothing to do with the Catholic Church.. I’ll keep it going..

          • Quantz

            Regardless of when they started, if you are a Christian, then you are an offshoot of the Catholics. It makes no sense for fundamentalists who have only been around 50 years to tell the people who were there first that they don’t understand Christianity. Ever heard of the Protestant Reformation?

          • Charles

            The Original fathers of Christianity were around before the Catholics were I’m afraid.. The Word of God is eternal.. It was here long before they were.. Still not getting it I see?

          • Quantz

            Still rejecting accepted history and history books I see?

          • Charles

            I accept the history of the Holy Bible thanks…

          • Quantz

            Which was codified by the Catholic Church…

          • Charles

            WRONG…… Yet again.

          • Becky

            Typical…just like the catholic church that loves to add, and omit, from God’s word. There’s nothing within scripture that supports your comment. In fact, God’s word teaches quite the opposite of what you’re saying…

            “Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,” Hebrews 3:1

            “Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,” Hebrews 8:1

            “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” 1 Timothy 2:5

          • Quantz

            James 5:16: “Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.”

            Tell me, Becky, how am I, or the Catholics, adding or omitting from God’s word with this verse? Isn’t it YOU who is cherry picking and choosing to pretend James 5:16 is wrong, or not there? How did you not know this verse was there, and why did you choose to pretend it wasn’t, or that I was lying?

          • Becky

            “Why would this NOT include speaking a confession to a priest?”

            Clearly, the scriptures do not say that. What you’re doing is adding to the word of God.

            I’m not cherry picking. All I did was quote scripture. I never added or omitted anything from it. So, you’re lying…you’re a liar.

          • Quantz

            Becky, you posted the scripture yourself. It says “each other”. It does NOT say “each other but that doesn’t include priests”.

            You are being dishonest.

          • Josey

            Amen Becky!

          • Josey

            and the priest gives out the consequence to the one confessing sin to him, say 10 hail marys and you are forgiven, etc…etc… No, saying 100 hail marys will not save you or remove your sin, only the blood of Jesus can wash away sins.

          • Quantz

            Helping people to atone for sins is bad? Why?

          • Confession is to God, not a fellow sinner. Confessionals have one purpose and one purpose alone. BLACK MAIL.

          • Quantz

            Confession in a confessional IS to God.

          • A priest is not God.

          • Becky

            Amen, Josey.

          • Once you speak truth, you become an enemy to all who oppose it…Satan knows this all too well…

          • Josey

            Jesus spoke these words in Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Why? Because Jesus is God came in the flesh and He knew that there would be a religious group who do these things and He gave a warning not to do things such as this and this is just one example of what the Catholic church teaches that is error and not Biblical. The Pope also teaches that we all serve the same God no matter what one believes, he leads many astray through false teaching and outright rejects Christ as the only way to God which the Bible clearly teaches that Christ is the Truth, the Life and the Way to the Father, not many ways but one way and is through Christ alone.

          • Quantz

            So what do you call your own father then, Josey? “Mom”?

            Everything else you wrote is fundamentalist vomit, PRATT (previously refuted a thousand times). Leave your fundamentalist cult, it rejects history and accepted science and is not good for you.

          • Josey

            Jesus isn’t referring to my dad who helped conceive me with sperm, I do not worship my dad or confess my sin to him, there is only one Father God who I adore and confess my sin to, I do not put my trust in man but in Christ alone. You are ridiculous in your acceptance of lies over the word of God, God is not man that He should lie but man lies all the time but you will believe man over God’s very own words.

          • Quantz

            All right, so by your own admission you are assuming a lot of things. You are assuming Jesus would make an exception for our natural biological fathers. You assume also that Catholics worship their priests, which they don’t. You assume that Catholics “put their trust in man” when they worship Christ only, just as you do.

            The passage also says call no man leader or teacher yet those are acceptable to you?

            You will likely say pastor, which is equivalent to shepherd. But Reverend? To revere? Is that equivalent to venerate?

            A prooftext without a context is a pretext. First of all, Joseph tells his brothers that he has a “fatherly” relationship with the Pharaoh (Gen 45:8) Second, Job says that he was a “father” to the less fortunate (Job 29:16). Elisha calls Elijah his father (2 Kings 2:12).

            If we turn to the New Testament, we find St. Stephen referring to “our father Abraham” (Acts 7:2).

            Jesus was using hyperbole to make a point, as was His practice.

          • Becky

            Well said, Josey.

          • Why a dictionary? How about opening a Bible instead? Anyone can CLAIM to be a Christian…but the Word of God has the last say….

          • Quantz

            Because you want the right tool for the right job. Just as I wouldn’t use the Joy of Cooking to look up how far San Antonio is from Albuquerque, I’d use an atlas for that, I wouldn’t use the Bible to look up a definition of a word.

          • gizmo23

            Catholics are brothers in Christ. Hating Catholis is no better than Muslims hating Christians

          • Josey

            Telling the truth that is in God’s word is not hateful, it is an act of love to speak the truth, the pope who is the head of the catholic church does not speak truth as written in God’s word that Christ is the only way to salvation but the pope teaches that here are many ways which leads many down that wide road of destruction. Now, who is the hater and deceiver there?

          • Charles

            Tell me.. Was Constantine a Christian?

          • Quantz

            The historical record seems to suggest so.

          • Charles

            He butchered people, including his own family after his “Conversion”.. I don’t think so.

          • Quantz

            What point is it you think you’re making?

          • Charles

            Well… Let’s see… If you claim to be a “Born Again” Christian, yet you butcher your own family.. Doesn’t sound like repentance does it? Of course not… The religion was never Christian..

          • Quantz

            What on earth does Constantine have to do with your drivel? Constantine didn’t invent Catholicism.

          • Charles

            Right.. Just the founder of his state religion.. It’s clear why you don’t get it.. You have to believe in God to get what’s going on here.. Clearly you don’t. That’s not to say there aren’t Catholics that love the Lord, but they get out of it.

          • Quantz

            Rather than asking vague and random questions, why don’t you just make your point? Don’t ask bizarre questions about Constantine when you are trying to attack the Catholic Church. Just state what your issue is and we can go from there. And you don’t know my beliefs regarding God, so don’t pretend that you do.

          • Charles

            Oh, I think we’re done here..There’s no need to continue this discussion.

          • Quantz

            I agree.

          • empathylouis

            While he was baptized a Christian only on his deathbed (the popular practice at the time since deathbed baptism was viewed as a way to be completely certain of salvation and allowed some potential Christians to bypass the process of the not so popular practice of public confession),

            Constantine nevertheless was a genuinely important figure in Christian history and is still revered as a saint, especially by Eastern Orthodox (that makes sense, though, since the Roman bishops disproved of the capital move to Constantinople). Overall, I don’t know if he was saved. The person that baptized him might have possibly been an Arian, so that raises questions concerning the validity of his baptism.

          • Charles

            Of course he was an important figure. My point was the Catholic “Church” was based on a lie. If you are worshiping the Sun up to a week before your death, that tells me the guy didn’t believe a word of the Bible. There are many who have been baptized that aren’t going to be saved..The Lord requires a change of heart. Being baptized by itself isn’t going to save you. Really, that’s just the beginning of the journey….

          • He was important alright. Important to the people he entertained all the while feeding the people of God to lions and using human bodies as living torches to light the coliseums…

          • A murderer who embraced paganism with open arms….all the while sprinkling it with a coat of Christianity?

          • Quantz

            I don’t know what he was and I don’t care. He didn’t invent Catholicism so his being mentioned in this discussion is pointless.

          • Amos Moses

            “Ever wonder who it was they were reforming against?”

            Well, the best knowledge is that they were all catholics…….who finally READ the bible and found that the RCC was not actually catholic. Or christian.

            They were Cathoilc…… not the samething. You see, Catholic, big “C”, and catholic, small “c”,,,,, two entirely different things.
            Hus- catholic
            Wycliffe – catholic
            Savonarola – catholic
            Luther – catholic
            Zwingli – catholic
            Calvin – catholic

            So, the list goes on and on, they were almost to a man all catholic. Not just the laity, but they were monks and priests. Look at whom Rome has wiped out in what is basically genocide. The Waldenses, the Albigenses, and others, with the sole goal of suppressing of the bible.

            The Jesuits, gee, whom are we talking about now, were formed with the goal of wiping out peoples who had the audacity to preach and teach what the bible actually said. Praise Ignatius Loyola.

          • Quantz

            If you make the statement that Catholics aren’t Christians, you’re basically been indoctrinated by Jack Chick tracts and are recklessly idiotic and not to be taken seriously. I mean how hard is it to open a history book.

          • Amos Moses

            “If you make the statement that Catholics aren’t Christians, you’re basically been indoctrinated by Jack Chick tracts”

            No, indoctrinated by the bible. Look, are there Catholics who are christians? Sure. Are all Catholics christians? No, they are not. If they hold the beliefs that are antithetical to biblical teaching, then they are not. The “church” is not the RCC only. Despite what the RCC has tried to make everyone believe. And it is not the ecumenism that Rome is currently trying to sell to the world. Islamists are not of the church. Hindus are not of the church. Mormons are not of the church. Anyone who denies Christ is not of the church. We were all created by God, but we are NOT all His children.

            ” I mean how hard is it to open a history book.”

            How hard is it to open and read your bible? Do you even have one?

          • Quantz

            The issue cannot be measured using the Bible. The issue is whether Catholics are Christians. Historically, yes they were. And this cannot be disputed.

          • Amos Moses

            Actually, history does not make one a Catholic or a christian nor saved. And it is measured by the bible. And to say otherwise would put you outside of orthodoxy AND christianity. To know Christ, one must know His word. His word is Him. He is the word. John 1:1-4

            What makes one a christian is who do you say Christ is?

            This cannot be disputed.

            1 John tells us who is a christian and who is not.

            How do you know if you are a christian:

            10 points from 1 John

            1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
            1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

            1.) 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
            1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

            2.) 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
            1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
            1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

            2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

            3.)2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
            2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
            2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

            4.) 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
            2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
            2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

            5.) 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
            2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
            2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

            6.) 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
            3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
            3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

            7.) 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
            3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
            3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

            8.)3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
            3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

            9.) 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
            4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
            4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
            4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

            10.) 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
            4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
            4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
            4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
            4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

            5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


          • Quantz

            That’s a lot of typing, you could have just said No True Scotsman fallacy.

          • Amos Moses

            Scripture is Gods word and is God/Christ.

            Do you deny this?

          • Quantz

            Yes. But to traditional Christians, scripture is not all there is. There is also the magisterium and sacred tradition.

          • Amos Moses

            No, not to traditional christians, to the RCC. To put anything of man on par with scripture is mans arrogance.

          • Quantz

            The RCC ARE traditional Christians. As are Lutherans, Episcopalians, Methodists and many others. The NON-traditional Christians are the ones that have just popped up in the last 50 or so years, all these people calling themselves evangelical and fundamentalist.

          • Amos Moses

            No, the RCC has gone astray…….sadly.

            “The NON-traditional Christians are the ones that have just popped up in the last 50 or so years, all these people calling themselves evangelical and fundamentalist.”

            Sorry to inform you, although they were not known by the names you have stated, they have been part of christianity for as long or longer than the RCC. The Waldenses, the Albigenses were all here since the beginning of the christian church. All were persecuted by the RCC due to a “evangelical and fundamentalist” belief in scripture.

            Interestingly, the pope now wants all those “heretics” to unite with Rome and is having them all come from America to meet and greet. So, guys like Rick Warren, a heretic if there ever was one,,, is now a “good guy”. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

          • Quantz

            The Waldenses started in the late 1170s, Albigenses between the 12th and 14th centuries. You’re giving me what is commonly known as the “Baptist successionism” thesis.

            James Edward McGoldrick, professor of history for Cedarville College in Ohio, a Baptist himself and expert especially in Protestant Reformation history, wrote a very good book refuting Baptist successionism, held fully or believed implicitly by many Fundamentalists and Evangelicals today, most of whom have never checked any of the primary source documents but rely strictly on secondary sources and books by other anti-Catholic Fundamentalists (like Dave Hunt, and even Jack Chick, for example).

          • We know…we know…Rome hates the Scriptures.

          • Quantz

            Then why does it use them in every single mass?

          • Courts of justice use bibles to swear oaths…your point?

          • Quantz

            It uses them in exactly the same way your church does.

          • Then that means that they would READ it and live by every word of it…i.e. fundamentalist, which you refer as a whack job. Understandable.

          • Quantz

            They DO read it and understand it – they were the ones who codified it, after all – but they are not Sola Scriptura Christians. Sola Scriptura isn’t even IN the Bible, it’s a rule you fundamentalists made up. So why are you expecting other Christians to play by rules you invented?

          • Jack Chick? So how about one that simply reads the Bible for themselves and discovers that Rome is the home of the antichrist beast system? Is he beguiled? Deceived?

            “I mean how hard is it to open a history book.”

            How hard is it to open a Bible?

          • Quantz

            If you get anything as over the top nuts as that from reading the Bible, then I seriously worry for your mental health.

            That is seriously the most hilariously ignorant thing I have ever read here. Congratulations.

          • Rome is antichrist and the pope is the pretended vicegerent of God…nothing more to say. So now that is you new “most hilariously ignorant thing I have ever read here”. Typical response for many deceived defenders of the papacy.

          • Quantz

            I’m not deceived by anybody, Jack, I don’t engage in faith-based ANYTHING, and I have no reason to defend the Catholic church. But I know this much – if I wanted to know something about REAL Christianity, as it was practiced for hundreds of years, I’d talk to a Catholic and not some wacky fundamentalist cult member whose church has only been around 5 minutes.

          • What exactly is a fundamentalist? Bible and Bible only? And what is a “cult” (Psst…use your “dictionary”)

      • Oboehner

        Whatever, clueless one.

        • Quantz

          Yeah, clueless. Fighting over whose version of the talking snake story is the correct one. Good luck with that.

    • Peter Leh

      “Taking the catholic cult thing to a whole new level. If they didn’t die, they weren’t doing it right”

      The same cult that discourages this practice?

      • Oboehner

        Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, Bob’s your uncle.

        • Peter Leh

          it is…. you can take it away. If fact Jesus said the Pharisee has already received theirs in full. So congrats…

          • Oboehner

            How could it be a blessing if the RCC condemns it? Wouldn’t mary be mad or something?

          • Peter Leh

            “How “it be a blessing if the RCC condemns it”

            indeed you get my point. 🙂 Neither you, me or the RCC may withhold the blessing god has for his people.

            indeed that WOULD be a cult, would it not? 🙂

            “Wouldn’t mary be mad or something?”

            lol… I doubt mary has a say either way.

  • Becky

    God’s people never did/do such things, because they knew/know the scriptures.

    • Quantz

      Can I just point out that MOST Catholics wouldn’t do something like this?

      • Becky

        They do “Easter”…a pagan feast.

        • gizmo23

          The protestant chirches around here were packed this Sunday

          • JeffreyRo55

            Easter. DUH.

          • Amos Moses

            Well i don’t know about those churches, but the Resurrection was celebrated in many here, not “Easter”. i have a risen savior, not a bunny who brings eggs.

          • Quantz

            I was at a Lutheran church for Easter. It was all about the resurrected Jesus. Before the service in the church basement they had a breakfast which included dyed eggs the kids had done. They weren’t celebrating the Easter bunny in that church, but allowing the children a fun activity of dyeing eggs. Why would this be an issue for you?

          • Amos Moses

            Why would you not? It has absolutely nothing to do with the Resurrection and our common salvation. i can find one reference to eggs in the NT. Has nothing to do with the Resurrection. But we all know its use in pagan society during “Easter” (actually Passover in scripture, pascha in the Greek). The only reference to “Easter” in the KJV is at the arrest of Peter in Acts 12:4 and it is mistranslated the word pascha.

            Why would you promote a pagan festival during that time?

          • Quantz

            Well, that’s fundamentalist crapola that you’ve elected to buy into. Don’t take your information about Christianity from hate-filled Jack Chick tracts.

            And even IF what you’re saying is true, what’s in a name? Call it Sassafras for all I care…I know what Catholics and Lutherans are celebrating that day, and it’s the resurrection of Christ. In fact, it’s the biggest celebration of the CHRISTIAN year for them.

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry, i do not read Jack Chick. i am barely aware of him.

            You on the other hand, are just buying into RCC propaganda and even if you understand, what are you teaching the children?

          • Quantz

            On Easter Sunday I sat through a church service that talked from start to finish about Christ’s resurrection, how he died for our sins, and how because of it we are saved.

            That is what I heard. No Easter bunnies, no pagan sacrifices to the Virgin Mary or the pope, no sun worship. Just exactly what I said. Tell me what is concerning you. Tell me what constitutes all your hatred and lies.

          • Amos Moses

            “Tell me what constitutes all your hatred and lies.”

            First, that. There is no “hatred and lies” except that you say “hatred and lies” and reveal your own “hatred and lies”, about me and the truth.

            B. There is no use of ” Easter” in scripture. Except as noted, Acts 12:4, and it refers to pagans celebrating it, those who had Peter arrested, and it was never celebrated by the early church or the early church fathers. There is no scripture to the contrary. Just traditions of men that Christ condemned. Mark 7:8 & Col 2:8.

            Three, it is then being inculcated into the children and leading them astray. There is no part of scripture that says “dye the eggs and do this in memory of me”…………… so do what you want……. you are in error….. and you know it.

          • Amos Moses

            Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

            Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

        • Quantz

          Easter is not a pagan feast, Becky. Are you sure you are a Christian, because if you were you’d know that it’s about Christ’s resurrection. It doesn’t get much less pagan than that.

  • This story ran a year ago. It happens every Easter and I’m sure it will be trotted out again next year. This is not “news.”

  • Josey

    These ppl doing this are making a mockery of Christ’s finished work on the cross, whether they know it or not and what they are doing does not save them or anyone, it is demonic and masochistic. Each individual has to make sure they are truly in the faith. The only way to have salvation is through Jesus Christ, by repentance and acceptance of Christ’s finished work on the cross as the only way and truth and to follow and obey Him which entails obeying God’s word for Jesus is the Word of God made manifest in the flesh. It is a daily walk in Christ and obeying the Father’s will. Christ Jesus is the head and His church, believers who trust in and obey His will for their lives are His Bride and Body.
    Matthew 7:13,14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    Matthew 7:21-23 vs21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. vs22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? vs23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

  • The Guest

    “Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.” Colossians 2:23

    Even though this verse is speaking of the regulations of the Levitical law, this fits very well for this “self crucification” and will-worship. This is not edifying Christ at all. This is self-worship. Christ was enough, and He is risen – He is no longer on that cross. He sits at the right hand of God, even now. Only He had the price to atone for our sins, as Son of God in the flesh, and only He can save. We cannot save ourselves.

  • Chip01

    Look at the lengths some people will go… for what?

    • Quantz

      That’s the key here…”some people”. But certainly not all.

  • Apparently you can say any obnoxious thing you want in this com box except criticize the editors themselves. I wonder how long this post will last before they snuff it out. BTW my deleted post was that they run the same tired stories every year and call it “news.”

    • Quantz

      The “apostasy” section of this website is crammed full of anti-Catholic stories. And yet the website is called Christian News Network. Does that seem just a little odd to anyone?

      • Their official editorial policy is that Roman Catholics are not Christians. I got into a discussion with one of the editors over a deleted post and was told that people who try to convert “Christians to Roman Catholicism” are not welcome on the site. Then I got an odd comment to a post about “why don’t I try Charisma New since they are more accepting of Catholics.” I’ve given up trying to have any kind of sensible discussion here. Just about the time you start making sense you get bombarded with proof texts and snotty personal attacks. Now I only stop by once in a while for a chuckle.

        • Quantz

          I would find their response infuriating if this website if theirs wasn’t such an ad-riddled, malware infested Fundamentalist joke.

          • They seem more concerned about the ad revenue than Godly content. I’ve reached the opinion that the real content is all the petty bickering and name calling which they seem to condone if not encourage, and they won’t do anything about it because it draws so many views. They love to bear-bait the Catholic-bashers by running “news” articles about thousand-year-old doctrines. And the saddest thing of all is there may be people genuinely seeking the Lord who stumble across this circus and turn away. Contemptible.

        • Quantz

          Isn’t it funny that policy isn’t available anywhere on their site. Ridiculous about the converting, I’ve never known a Catholic that tried to convert anyone, they’re like the Jews in that respect.

          • I’ll say, in full disclosure, that one of my reasons for initially posting here was to offer my testimony to those who might be leaning Rome-ward. Part of that strategy (and for which I was soundly scolded) was defending the Faith against scurrilous Fundamentalist lies. And I got sucked into the mud more times than I care to admit. When you lie down with dogs…

          • Quantz

            I may not share the same faith as you do (I don’t really have one, but remain open to certain ideas and possibilities) but I certainly sympathize with you. Catholics are treated despicably on this board by fundamentalists. And it’s funny how Catholics don’t treat fundamentalists any differently than any other Christians.

  • This looks so much like Islam…Muslims whip themselves bloody. Catholics whip themselves bloody. And the nerve of Rome…to say they do not condone these activities yet they display them openly on the Catholic News Network! Hypocrites! That’s just like the NFL when they say “we discourage big hits in our sport and violators will be fined heavily” yet they promote, endorse and make a substantial profit from big hit compilations being every year on their network.

    Now back to Rome and Islam…they are just too eerily similar. I mean to name a few…

    Roman Catholic priests are for the most part pedophiles
    Mohammed was a pedophile as are all Muslims that trust the Koran’s pro-pedophilia verses.

    Roman Catholic Popes teach Catholicism is the only true church
    Islam clerics teach Islam is the only true church

    Roman Catholicism commands mandatory fasting during Lent
    Islam demands mandatory fasting during Ramadam

    Roman Catholicism teaches you are saved by works
    Islam teaches you are saved by works

    Roman Catholicism teaches you can never be assured salvation
    Islam teaches you can never be assured salvation

    Roman Catholicism teaches no atonement for sin or true salvation exists. (purgatory)
    Islam teaches they will never know if they are truly saved from damnation until judgment day

    The Pope is declared the “vicar” of Christ
    Muhammad is declared the final Messenger and successor to Jesus Christ

    Roman Catholicism teaches they have a holy headquarters on earth, the Vatican
    Islam teaches they have a holy headquarters on earth, Mecca

    RCC uses rosaries and prayer beads
    Islam uses prayer beads

    RCC uplifts Mary as a diety worthy of worship
    Islam uplifts and mentions Mary 34 times in the Koran

    RCC teaches you can divorce and receive an annulment without following biblical jurisprudence
    Islam allows a man to divorce his wife by simply telling her she is divorced

    RCC teaches to leave the church is to be guaranteed Hellfire
    Islam teaches to leave the church is to be guaranteed Hellfire

    The RCC openly embraces Paganism and even admits to same.
    The term “Allah” originated as a Pagan god. In fact, he wasn’t even considered a major deity

    The RCC teaches their flock to pray to dead humans.Mary is one of hundreds of dead humans they pray to.
    Islam teaches to pray to Muhammad and even ask him to “raise up your head and speak” and intercede for the one praying. (A. N. Matthews, Translator, Mishcat-ul-Masabih, The Tibrizi Collection, 1810, vol 1, p. 607).

    The RCC used their own church as torture chambers to torture and kill hundreds of millions of Christians during the Inquisition
    Islam not only tortures Christians, they are now setting up Christian churches as torture chambers

    The RCC baptizes babies and declares them “Catholics” as infants
    Islam teaches if you are born of Muslim parents then you are Muslim

    The RCC teaches their flock to bow to statues and relics in worship
    Islam teaches their flock to bow 5 times a day facing the black rock that resides in Mecca

    That is only a fraction of the hundred of similarities between these two religions. Could it be that Rome actual CREATED Islam to fulfill their hellish purposes in the same manner they elevated and backed Hitler to exterminate non Catholics?

    • GEE

      John1429dotorg: re: Quantz – Wow when put this way the similarities are way too frightening, not to mention the prophesies that are in the Koran about the Pope and how he will be taken over, he is already ceding to them in many ways.

      No hate here Quantz only a real concern for your soul. You seem to rely too much on history and the secular books but not enough on the Bible, the inerrant Word of God. I would leave your intellect at the door for now as it seems to be your “stumbling block” and come to God humbly and beseech Him for Truth and Mercy. Without Faith it is impossible to please God and see his Truth.

      I suspect you are truly seeking for the truth otherwise you would not have spent this much time going back and forth trying to make your point. – In the end remember Jesus is the ONLY Way, the Truth and the Life, no one enters
      except through Me. Don’t get caught up with churches and the teachings,
      lean solely on God and God alone, for it is before Him you will stand on
      Day of Judgement. Run into truth and run away from all twisted deceptions and outright lies.

      God Bless!

      • Quantz

        So you’re going to listen to a guy who says that “most Catholic priests are pedophiles” as your source of information and disregard the historical record which shows things that actually happened?

        I don’t worry for your soul. I worry for your common sense. John1429dotorg clearly lost his a long time ago. Most of the crap he wrote above is straight out of a Jack Chick tract.

        Incidentally, all the pope is is a human leader of the Catholic Church. Just like YOUR church has a human leader. And he teaches from the point of view of Christianity, which includes the Bible, not some twisted perverted gospel. Feel free to disagree with the Catholics, I certainly do in many respects, but don’t deny them as Christians, because they were Christians long before nearly every other denomination out there.

        • GEE

          Its not about listening to this guy or that but following God’s Word. If you read the Bible you would know that we are in a spiritual war with powers and principalities in high places and we are to contend for the heart and soul of all people and bring them to the knowledge of God. If you have a problem with Catholics calling them Christians then talk to the real Catholics as they will go out of their way to call themselves Roman Catholic and try their best to avoid using Christian in their mind that typically refers to Evangelicals, at least the orthodox are more in line with using the term Christian but not so Roman Catholic.

          As far as the Pope is concerned he is far more than just a leader and I think you know that or are pretending not to know. He sees himself as God on earth, is able to forgive sins and is infallible, and a host of other things, for any man to say that makes God to be a liar as that is not what the Bible teaches.

          Many people from different denominations think and call them Christians in the end it is God who decides who really is Christian and not so don’t let that fool you.There will be may who say Lord, Lord didn’t we perform all those miracles in your name and feed the poor and do good things and God will say get away from me you workers of iniquity. So its not what you or they call or considers themselves but what God has to say about it and this is directly tied into the belief of who God is and what he has done for you at the cross.

          • Quantz

            I have never in my life met a Catholic who didn’t want to call himself a Christian. Never. Not once. In fact, they had the word before any other Christians. It seems to me that if people don’t like that fact, they should call themselves something else.

            No the pope doesn’t see himself as infallible nor any kind of replacement for God. “Vicar of Christ” perhaps, but a vicar is usually seen as a second-in-charge. And they’ve got apostolic succession that goes all the way back to Peter. The pope claims to be infallible only when he speaks Ex Cathedra which has only been a handful of times through the centuries.

            The simple fact here is that the Catholics are Christians. They may not be a brand of Christian you like and you have have issues with some of their teachings, but if you define a Christian as someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, then there’s no doubt that they are Christians, and any “extracurricular” things they might do don’t change that fact.

          • GEE

            I guess we have different experiences then, the ones I have met go out of their way to say that they are Roman Catholics than just saying that they are Christians.

            You make some valid point regarding what it means to be a Christian but if I were to ask you, what would be your definition of a Christian what would be your answer?

  • Tom Hanig

    They’re pagan creeps and the government should step in and stop this perverse activity. They won’t because they’re corrupt too.

  • Peter Leh

    Pretty extreme. But it is their blessing not yours.