Joel Osteen Says He’s Not ‘Cheating People’ by Neglecting to Preach on Repentance, Hell

Osteen CBS SS-compressedMegachurch self-help author and motivational speaker Joel Osteen says that he doesn’t believe that he’s “cheating people” by neglecting to preach on repentance or eternal punishment as he opines that people “feel guilty enough.”

Osteen was featured on CBS Sunday Morning on March 27, as correspondent Tracy Smith visited Lakewood to interview the megachurch leader.

“You’ve been criticized for church-lite, or a cotton candy message. Do you feel like you’re cheating people by not telling them about the Hell part? Or repentance part?” she asked.

“No, I really don’t, because it’s a different approach,” Osteen replied.

“You know, it’s not hellfire and brimstone. But I say most people are beaten down enough by life. They already feel guilty enough. They’re not doing what they should do raising their kids—we can all find reasons,” he said. “So I want them to come to Lakewood or our meetings and be lifted up, to say, ‘You know what? I may not be perfect, but I’m moving forward. I’m doing better.’ And I think that motivates you to do better.”

He later explained that because his late father rose from poverty to becoming the pastor of a growing congregation, he focuses on advising others that they too can overcome their difficult life circumstances.

“You know, my dad was very, very poor,” Osteen said. “No milk, no food, no heating in the winter. And you know what? He stepped up. And he had a big dream for his life. And look what he’s done for us. And so that’s my whole thing is, you don’t have to stay there. You gotta believe that you can rise higher.”

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Osteen, who reportedly lives in a $10.5 million dollar home, explained to CBS that most of his wealth comes from his book sales and his work with Sirius Satellite Radio. He does not take a salary from Lakewood, which he estimates makes $90 million a year.

“I do think that there is a certain thought, especially in the church world, that you’re supposed to be poor and broke and defeated to show that you’re humble, and I don’t buy into that,” he said.

However, much concern has been raised over the past decade that the messages at Lakewood are noticeably man-centered and humanistic, instead of Christ-centered and gospel centric. Osteen’s self-help books have included “Your Best Life Now,” “Become a Better You,” “You Can, You Will” and “It’s Your Time.”

Osteen’s latest book, “The Power of I Am,” teaches readers to manifest blessings in their life by making positive confessions about themselves, so that they might “lead a more productive and happier life.”

In 2014, Osteen’s wife Victoria raised concerns when she preached, “Just do good for your own self. Do good because God wants you to be happy. When you come to church, when you worship Him, you’re not doing it for God really. You’re doing it for yourself…”

“His core message is God is nice, you’re nice, be nice. It’s sort of a, if it were a form of music, I think it would be easy listening,” Michael Horton, professor of theology at Westminster Seminary in Escondido, told reporters. “He uses the Bible like a fortune cookie. ‘This is what’s gonna happen for you. There’s gonna be a windfall in your life tomorrow.’ The Bible’s not meant to be read that way.”

Osteen recently made headlines after his longtime senior worship leader, Israel Houghton, publicly announced last month that he had obtained a divorce due to damage caused when he “sinned in his marriage” five years ago. Some became concerned that Houghton was allowed to lead worship during this time, and outlets quickly pointed out that Houghton was seen with a new girlfriend earlier this month. Lakewood has stated that Houghton is on “indefinite leave” but is still employed as a staff member.

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  • hytre64

    John Osteen was a true man of God who preached the whole counsel of God. He & Dodie are missed.

  • Catherine Neill

    I read Your Best Life Now – what a load of hooey! This man preaches a prosperity ‘gospel’ that does not exist. The true Gospel is the birth, persecution, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ – without some fire and brimstone, you cannot possibly understand the true Gospel. This guy is a poster boy for why mega-churches should not be tax-exempt. His father was a godly man, but Joel just doesn’t buy in to the true Gospel. He has ‘confessed’ he did not want to fill his dad’s shoes, and he most definitely has not.

    • Amos Moses

      i have heard some of what JO’s father preached. Unfortunately, that apple did not fall all that far from that tree.

  • Karen

    If he is not preaching the message of the Cross, he needs to just be a motivational speaker. His sugar coated messages will not get people saved. He needs to speak about Jesus, the Cross, sin and repentance.

    • Samuel F Waddell


    • Peter Leh

      “His sugar coated messages will not get people saved.”

      no ones message does… only the HS,

      thank god ones salvation does not depend on me, you or osteen.

      • Amos Moses

        “no ones message does… only the HS,”

        And since JO does not preach scripture, no one he is speaking to will hear the HS, not from JO at least.

        Christ might find a believer at the former basketball arena JO speaks at, but you won’t find Christ there.

        • Peter Leh

          “And since JO does not preach scripture, no one he is speaking to will hear the HS, not from JO at least.”

          you have such a low opinion of the HS.

          EVen you can’t get in the way of the HS. 🙂

          Therefore JO will never be the problem.

          • Amos Moses

            Only to himself………. as he is cutting himself out of the “Book of Life”……

          • Peter Leh

            he is cutting himself out? once justified always justified says the good book.

            Either you are in there or you are not.

          • Amos Moses

            Very well, he was never in………………

          • Peter Leh


            Only The HS knows if one is in or out.

          • Amos Moses

            But we are charged with the judgement of those who say they are in the church…. 1 Corinthians 5&6. Just because one says they are, gives us the right to judge that as good stewards of His church.

            6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

            6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

            6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

            6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

            6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

          • Peter Leh

            Yep. And this is why we have denominations. That said. Just because one is not in your or my ” congregation” in no way give us the authority to pass sentence on who is a “christian” and who is not.

            It only give us authority to determine who is in the “club” and who is not.


          • Amos Moses

            ” Just because one is not in your or my ” congregation” in no way give us the authority to pass sentence on who is a “christian” and who is not.”

            Yes, it does. It most certainly does. “and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?”. We are to judge if any say they are a christian and if they are teaching Christ, his birth death and Resurrection, the cross or any other matter of false doctrine. We as good stewards of His church are charged with removing said false teachers and false doctrine.


          • Peter Leh

            “Yes, it does. It most certainly does”

            I was unaware Amos Moses was the gatekeeper on another’s salvation? I read the scripture to say that is god’s job.

            “We are to judge if any say they are a christian and if they are teaching
            Christ, his birth death and Resurrection, the cross or any other matter
            of false doctrine.”

            knock yourself out. none of what you mention keeps one from being saved… except Christ. Christ alone. You find God you find Chirst, period. Anything added is bondage. The One True doctrine gets illuminated when we stand before the one true god.. not before. Until then we have the privilege of wrestling with the word together.

            So you judging the world might be a bit premature… if not heretical.

          • Amos Moses

            Then you are unaware that we are to be good steward of Christs church, it is not our church, it is HIS church.

            “So you judging the world might be a bit premature… if not heretical.”
            Joel Osteen is an idolater…………
            1 Corinthians
            5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
            5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
            5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

            Not judging the world, God is their judge and woe unto them, judging who says they are christians and are not, judging the wolves in sheeps clothing, judging the false teachers and false prophets (IDOLATERS) who are in the church, which we are charged to do. We are not to associate with them.

            Paul NAMED NAMES, Peter NAMED NAMES, We are all to NAME NAMES…….. of false teachers and false prophets (IDOLATERS).


          • Peter Leh

            by all means call out what you feel is heretical, i know i do. And protect your little club from the “outsiders”.

            Again i am taking about judging another’s SALVATION. We can have an OPINION, we can GUESS.. we cannot say definitively.. only god can.

            Not preaching about hell is not a deal breaker no matter how heretical i think it may be. I bet JO believes in hell.. he is just not taking that approach

          • Amos Moses

            If he is an IDOLATER, then guess what…….we can say…. with confidence. JO only preaches, if you can call it that, is about SELF. Joel’s last book, “The Power of I Am”, is not about the name of God, it is about SELF.

            Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

            The Power of “I AM”. What follows the “I AM” is what you will become.
            Joel Osteen will not confess Jesus Christ is the ONLY way on Larry King
            Joel Osteen Says Jesus Christ is Not the Only Way
            Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Paul Washer, John MacArthur and other…
            On the you tube machine………….

            Isaiah 14
            12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
            13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
            14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

          • Peter Leh

            “If he is an IDOLATER, then guess what…….we can say…. with
            confidence. JO only preaches, if you can call it that, about SELF.
            Joel’s last book, “The Power of I Am”, is not about the name of God, it
            is about SELF.”

            while is have not read his book. I am familiar enough to what he says to ballpark where his is coming from. Just because JO write a book about “self” does not make one an idolator in the Biblical sense.

            Isiah 14 is a warning to those who “claim to be god”. Claim to stand in for god. Claim to do the job that only god can do: Know who is saved and know who is not.

            You don;t know who is saved, beside your self….. neither do I.

            Therefore those who claim to know will be acting in the place of god…. like Lucifer did.

          • Amos Moses

            “Just because JO write a book about “self” does not make one an idolator in the Biblical sense.”

            Anything other than Christ and Him crucified is idolatry. Shopping is idolatry if it is before Christ. Anything between us and Christ is idolatry.

            Ballpark………… every book he has ever written is about self………………….

          • Peter Leh

            anything ADDED other than Christ is Idolatry.

            Anybody doing the work as if GOD (IE proclamation who is and not a christian) is indeed, idolatry

          • Amos Moses

            “anything ADDED other than Christ is Idolatry.”
            Then Jello Osteen is not…………….

            “Anybody doing the work as if GOD (IE proclamation who is and not a christian) is indeed, idolatry”
            Then you are adding to scripture and may join Jello……. as 1 Corinthians 5&6 says to do, as Paul did (who at one time named Peter, as Peter did, as John did, as what the bible basically does from beginning to end……….. It NAMES NAMES……..satan is a named name, Abraham is a named name, Isaac is a named name, JACOB is a named name….They all had their sins listed in the bible………..#WENAMENAMES

            In 1 Timothy 1:18–20, Paul charged Timothy to fight the good fight against false teachings. Paul went on to specifically name Hymenaeus and Alexander as individuals that he threw out of the church because of their behavior. In his next letter to Timothy, Paul mentioned Hymenaeus again and added Philetus to the list of false teachers that he named (2 Timothy 2:17).

            Apparently, the Bible is not against the naming of names when it comes to false teachings. In fact, Jude told his readers that he wanted to write to them about their “common salvation, [but] found it necessary to write” to them exhorting them to “contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints” because of false teachers that had crept into the church (Jude 3–4).

            Some will argue that these were only cases which involved unbelievers that had infiltrated the church. While this is debatable in the cases mentioned by Paul, there is no question about what is described in Galatians 2:11–13, unless someone wants to say that the Apostle Peter wasn’t a believer. Paul wrote:

            Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. (Galatians 2:11–13)

          • Peter Leh

            “Then you are adding to scripture and may join Jello……. as 1”

            and therefore what have I “added” to scripture in order to be saved? I am well documented and could certainly be quoted.

          • Amos Moses

            Adding to scripture….NULLIFIES salvation…..we have NO authority to alter Gods word one iota………Not one jot or tittle…………….

          • Peter Leh

            I noticed you have no example to back up your accusation. I accept your apology and forgive you.

            nothing nullifies salvation… not even one playing god. Either you are saved. will be saved or will be separated from the sheep on judgement day. But that is for God to do and say.. not you

          • Amos Moses

            “nothing nullifies salvation.”

            Wrong,,,,,it nullifies it because people were never saved to begin with……. as they were lied to about Gods word.

          • Peter Leh

            “nothing nullifies salvation.”

            “Wrong,,,,,it nullifies it because people were never saved to begin with”

            Wrong. nothing nullifies salvation. If salvation has not taken place how can something not taken place be nullified?

          • Amos Moses

            If there is no salvation………….it is NULL. There is no salvation….if Christ is not preached…just saying the name of Christ……….IS NOT preaching Christ…it is not exegesis …. it is not orthodoxy……… it is paganism………….

          • Peter Leh

            “Then Jello Osteen is not a christian as he does add to it and encourages idolatry”

            I have seen, heard , nor read anything JO has added in order to be saved.

          • Amos Moses

            He added and subtracted and so is NOT saved…………

          • Peter Leh

            Hard to subtract from Christ alone. What has JO added to salvation other than christ and believing on him?

          • Amos Moses

            “Hard to subtract from Christ alone.”

            Unless you do not preach Him at all,,,which is pretty much what he does…. ANY alteration, subtraction or addition is a LIE about Christ, about who He is, what He said, And it does damage not only to Gods own words….it causes death to those who are deprived of hearing His true word…….Jello preaches IDOLATRY….. That is not scripture………

            Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

            Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

            Jello teaches men to be idolaters…………..

          • Peter Leh

            Once again.. I have heard jo preach christ.

            Just because JO it not preaching it to YOUR satisfaction is a matte of opinion. We can all have opinions, Amos. I would argue with that. 🙂

          • Amos Moses

            I have listen to numerous of his preachings……… he does not preach Christ and Him crucified at all……… but if you think he is….then you probably belong in his church,, bit it is certainly NOT His church…………..

            “YOUR satisfaction is a matte of opinion.”

            No, it is a matter of scripture and doctrine………….He preaches pagan idolatry of self.

          • Peter Leh

            “No, it is a matter of scripture and doctrine”

            the same scripture and doctrine that provides us with thousands of different denominations over a matter of opinion of said scripture and doctrine?

            Again. unless you are going to the one true church with the one true interpretation of scripture with the 100% true doctrine and condemning the Baptist church to the right of you and the Presbyterian church to the left…. I say jump in with the rest of us, the water is warm. 🙂

            you may control Man’s kingdom… one of us can control God’s kingdom but the HS.

            the HS need not our permission or confirmation of who the HS saves. To do so would be pretending to be the HS which is the true idolatry in the case.

          • Amos Moses

            Jello preaches paganism, idolatry and self…. not christianity………..there is no Holy Spirit at Lakewood because Jello does not speak about Him….. others there might bring the Holy Spirit with them…. but Jello does not….. Jello is a pagan and is not saved…….

          • Peter Leh

            “unless someone wants to say that the Apostle Peter wasn’t a believer.”

            I would not…. nor am I attempting to make the argument of who is saved and who is not saved. YOU are doing that.

          • Amos Moses

            I said he was not a christian and so yes, as an idolater, he is not………… by his own words………… guilty as charged…………..

          • Peter Leh

            “I said he was not a christian and so yes”

            not a christian like you .. got it. There are many christians not like you and me yet it takes some big kahunas to play god and claim to know for sure . 🙂

          • Amos Moses

            No, not a christian at all………….he preaches pagan idolatry……… that is NOT a christian……..

            Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

            7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

            7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            ” it takes some big kahunas to play god and claim to know for sure .”

            It takes evidence to be a christian…… when a person preaches idolatry of self……THERE IS NONE.

          • Amos Moses

            We are to be SALT and light,,,,,,NOT sugar and light………..

          • Peter Leh

            “We are to be SALT and light,,,,,,NOT sugar and light………..”
            Indeed we are.. so let’s do it and not be the self appointed gatekeeper of who is “saved” and who is “not saved” 🙂

          • Amos Moses

            We are to judge those who say they are of the church 1 Corinthians 5&6

          • Peter Leh

            Please do. There are many churches. Like I said, We can decide who is and who is not in our individual “clubs”. We can say “JO certainly is not a baptist”, or “JO can’t be CoC”. We can say “JO does not believe the same things I do”.

            All perfectly within reason.

            what you CAN’T say.. because you don’t know and can’t know for sure because you are NOT god and not allowed to be god….. Is his is not saved. Only god knows that. Gods name is not Amos

          • Amos Moses

            ” There are many churches. Like I said, We can decide who is and who is not in our individual “clubs”. We can say “JO certainly is not a baptist”, or “JO can’t be CoC”. We can say “JO does not believe the same things I do. All perfectly within reason.”

            And all perfectly unscriptural………………..

          • Amos Moses

            If he is preaching paganism………….and he is……. he is not saved……..

            16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
            16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

            He serves Jellos own belly when he preaches pagan idolatry of self….. his own belly … Jello preaches CONTRARY to doctrine…by “good words and fair speeches” he deceives…. Jello is causing division in the body of Christ by his preaching of paganism in the guise of christianity…. a veneer of christianity IS NOT christianity………… he is not saved……

          • Amos Moses

            Debunking Joel Osteen’s The Power of I AM
            On the you tube machine……………

          • Amos Moses

            i have a high opinion of the Holy Spirit and scripture, a low one of JO as he does not preach it, and God/Christ/the Holy Spirit may find a person at Lakewood, but you will not find them at Lakewood.

          • Peter Leh

            the HS is not a lakewood? are you limiting the HS once again?

          • Amos Moses

            What bring the Holy Spirit to any place is His word, and since His word is not spoken at Lakewood……

            But, as i said, He may find you there but you will not find the Holy Spirit there.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        ROM.10: = 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”[f] 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”[g]

        Israel Rejects the Gospel

        14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how
        shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall
        they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent?

      • Don’t quote Romans unless you stay within the context.

        Romans 12:8 If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. Now is Osteen using his gift or is he trying to a gift he does not have?.. BTW what is your gift?

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          Btw, what is the gift which Jesus Christ has given to u that u cannot live without till eternity.?

    • Is he called to be a preacher or an encourager. Encouragement is a spiritual gift as is evangelism and preaching. So if he is using his gift, which he is, why do you slander your brother?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        If he is an encourager and not a preacher, why is he preaching? I understand that there is not even a cross in his church.

      • Samuel F Waddell

        I do not waist my time attacking him. I have very seldom been in a conversation about him. It is not his smile or encouragement. But he preaches a different gospel. He does not preach the world of God. Not really. he might hit on the edge a bit sometimes. If he wishes to pastor then a pastor must teach people God’s truth not just encourage them to feel good and be prosperous. You tell any lost sinner that and he will remain lost but be even more deceived. We are commanded to preach the Word. 2 Timothy 4:2 “Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.” We must preach the hard parts as well as the parts people want to hear. A preacher cannot preach what unrepentant men wish to hear and be a servant of God truly. The body of Christ is not a place to be a motivational speaker. As we see God’s Word must be proclaimed and not twisted or tampered with. He should resign as pastor and go out as a motivational speaker or preach the word of God. That is the problem that I see.

        • You mention the Body of Christ without realizing that Paul told us the body is made up of different parts which have different functions. Osteen’s gift is encouragement, that’s the function God gave him. The problem is not what he preaches, the problem is people want him to stop doing what God wants him to do.

          • Samuel F Waddell

            He must stand before the Lord on the day of Judgment and give an account as I. I do not disagree with you about his gifting. I have made very few statement about him but I can say that he has dropped the ball when before the whole nation on TV shows with Larry King and others. We must confess Christ as the only Savior before men and we cannot dodge questions about obvious sin in society. If he is under duress then he might say what he truly believes? When he holds up the Bible and says This is the Word of God then turns and speaks psychology or something like I am blessed, I am able or I am whatever I want to be, but doesn’t lift up Christ or the cross then i have to say that he is influenced by something else than God’s Word. One can encourage by using Scripture and not The world’s philosophy. We have lost something in the Body of Christ in AMERICA. We do not respect the Word of God as we once did and many preach what the crowd wants instead of what it needs. We do not take sin seriously either. Joel, who I don’t know personally, when I have watched him, he did not really preach the Bible. as I stated. The last time I heard him he spoke on how we all need our earthly father’s approval. That may be true but it was psychology and not Scripture. There are thousands listening. It seems that people, in our culture do not want to hear The Bible much anymore, and he knows that, maybe because it convicts them of their sin and they will leave the church? It seems that most all the huge churches speak what the crowd wants to hear and never repentance or the cross or God forbid a message about hell. Not even a message on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit hardly anymore. Joel’s father preached these, from what I remember. Encouraging and pastoring can overlap but a pastor must teach and preach a very wide variety of Biblical truth in order for his people to grow in grace and not the same or similar message, repackaged every week. the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible and I don’t think that He will bless men’s opinions and ideas. You must admit some of these things. He is public figure so he can be discussed publicly. I am not condemning him but I definitely see that he needs to change and head in a different direction. Let us pray for him.

      • Addjoa Henewaa

        Evangelism or preaching is not a gift. It is what every christian ought to do. Pastors and church leaders are responsible for disciplining the baby Christians and help build others in the church. He speaks as if there is no afterlife, a very dangerous pattern.

        • Ephesians 4:11 Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

          Provide proof that “He speaks as if there is no afterlife…”

  • jashar160

    David Wilkerson was right. You will never see a prosperity preacher preach about hell.

    • Samuel F Waddell

      We more like David Wilkerson these days!

      • Wilkerson was a great prophet of God, not an encourager. Osteen has the gift of encouragement and not evangelism, preaching or prophesy.

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp


          • “Paraklésis carries the idea of bringing someone closely alongside in order to “exhort,” “urge,” “encourage,” “give joy,” and “comfort” him or her. ”

            1 Thessalonians 5:11 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

            Don’t ever criticize yourself. Don’t go around all day long thinking, ‘I’m unattractive, I’m slow, I’m not as smart as my brother.’ God wasn’t having a bad day when he made you… If you don’t love yourself in the right way, you can’t love your neighbour. You can’t be as good as you are supposed to be. Joel Osteen

            Romans 8:28 And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them.

            You’re going to go through tough times – that’s life. But I say, ‘Nothing happens to you, it happens for you.’ See the positive in negative events. Joel Osteen

            Proverbs 18:21 The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit.

            Remember, death and life are in the power of the tongue. Joel Osteen

            Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            JOHN.3: =

            The New Birth

            1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

            3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

            4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

            5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

            9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

            10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.[a] 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but[b] have eternal life.

            16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

            17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

            _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            JO’s gift of encouragement is mostly absent of the gospel of Jesus Christ, ie “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”(MATT.4:17) and “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?”(MARK.8:36)

          • At least you are more honest than most of the posters here.

            “JO’s gift of encouragement is mostly absent of the gospel of Jesus Christ”
            Which, when looked at, mean that his sermon’s are not absent the Gospel, they just don’t contain the amount that you believe they should.

            Provide a full sermon where he doesn’t lift up Jesus. As I wrote to another, I was a sinner addicted to porn, and drugs and one Osteen sermon helped turned me back to Christ. Not one post here will ever turn any person to Christ. I am now an ordained pastor with a degree in ministry and am serving the Lord. I repented of my sin due to an Osteen sermon in which he was being obedient to his gift and calling. My life is proof he preaches Jesus.

    • Is he a “prosperity preacher”? If you say yes then provide your proof.

      He says he has the gift of encouragement and if you don’t believe him then you should actually listen to his messages. Romans 12:8 If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging.

      • Addjoa Henewaa

        We don’t encourage sinners to be successful, we encourage them to know God. This man cannot even make a bold stand against homosexuality. He claims people are beaten down in life, well when they make all the wealth without God and obedience to His word they will be more beaten down in hell. He should focus more on the unperishable than the perishable because what matters is our lives after we die. Better be poor and saved than rich and unsaved. He should listen and balance his preaching.

        • He has the gift of encouragement he is obedient to the gift God bestowed upon him. Romans 12:8 If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging.

          He does “He claims people are beaten down in life…” I’ve listened to hundreds of his sermons and he has always said the only way up is through Christ.

  • Bill Grumling

    God never said we would be happy. In fact Romans 5, James 1 and 1 Cor 12 tell a completely different story then that that Olsteen preaches.

    The preaching of Hell is not to make people feel bad but to tell them that there is an eternal consequence for sin apart from the blood of Christ.

    I fear Olsteen may be one of those who paul says in Timothy is one that with fair words and speeches takes silly women laiden with sin captive and as Paul said in Romans 14 fills only his belly. He is ever learning but is never able to come to the knowldge of truth and will be one of those memtioned in Matthew 7:21-23.

  • marg

    Joel Osteen did not graduate from college let alone seminary (or even a Bible college). He did not want to be a pastor, but his father talked him into inheriting his church. He is not ordained!! He should not be called a pastor, or anything else for that fact. I have heard him on tv, and he never once mentions Jesus Christ!! He appeals to the new culture of the new evangelical where the culture has influenced the faith more then faith influences the culture. My husband, who is a pastor has had many people tell him how much they just love Osteen, and he has to tell them just how unbiblical he truly is. He certainly is the great deceiver if nothing else……

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      God bless you husband for pastoring in an age of deception!

    • Peter Leh

      “Joel Osteen did not graduate from college let alone seminary (or even a Bible college).”


      “He is not ordained!!”


      “I have heard him on tv, and he never once mentions Jesus Christ!!”

      I have… every episode….now who is the liar?

      “He appeals to the new culture of the new evangelical where the culture
      has influenced the faith more then faith influences the culture.”

      like the SBC breaking off from the Baptist denomination over the biblical right to own slaves? The culture was moving away from slavery of american citizens.. you hold the biblical view to continue the right to own another american citizen like the SBC insisted??

      “My husband, who is a pastor has had many people tell him how much they
      just love Osteen, and he has to tell them just how unbiblical he truly
      is. He certainly is the great deceiver if nothing else……”

      thank god you or your husband is no longer the gatekeeper of truth. the veil is torn… pharisees no longer stand between god and his people

      • Amos Moses

        i guess if you count the little speech he gives at the beginning of his “shows”, i will not call it a sermon as it is not, sure he does. But that is about the extent of it.

        If you want to know what JO preaches, do this. Take a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle. On one side write “Christ” and on the other side write “I, me, my, myself, you, your, us, etc.” ( all the personal pronouns), and then listen, and i mean REALLY LISTEN. Every time you hear “Christ”, put a hash mark, same for all the other words on the other side. When you are finished listening, add them all up on each side.

        Then you will learn who JO is REALLY preaching about.

        • Charles

          Well yeah!? It’s your “Best Life Now”.. ha ha…

        • Peter Leh

          no argument for me on your point. there are many a preacher who do things differently than i would do.

          That is far and away from marge given a false accusation.

          • Amos Moses


          • Amos Moses

            Somebody once asked JO if he knew what hermeneutics were. Joel answered:”Herman Neuticks? I do not believe in know him.”

          • Peter Leh

            ba bing!

    • Adrian Croft

      Marg, there have been lots of great preachers who did not attend college or seminary – some of the big names like D. L. Moody and Billy Sunday. Remember that the apostles were fisherman and manual laborers, not “professional” clergy. My beef with Osteen is that he dumped the Christianity of his great father and peddles this cotton candy feel-good-about-myself religion.

      • Amos Moses

        i do not put a lot of faith in formal education of pastors either, especially given some of the “pastors” that i have heard recently. But the Apostles were taught by Christ. i could not imagine a better teacher.


      • gizmo23

        I like his feel good idea. I don’t need to go to church and get beat up each week

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          Why did Jesus Christ got beaten up on the Cross.? …….To give u a good feeling.? …
          ….Or to make u drop down on yr knees in gratitude for saving u from going to hell when u die.?

          • gizmo23

            Both. He wants us to be secure, happy, and fulfilled while on this earth. He also wants us to be grateful for him, respecting his wisdom and sacrifice.
            If all it is about is avoiding hell it doesn’t hold much for me. I want faith to direct me to be a better person in body and soul

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            But which is more important to u n JO.?
            Feeling good on earth or repent to hv the kingdom of heaven at hand when u die(MATT.4:17).?

          • gizmo23

            Why not have both? Why do you think they are exclusive of one another? Why does being saved and leading a graceful life seem so difficult for so many people?
            It is not enough to tell people all the sinful things they do. We need to show them other ways of doing things. It is almost impossible for someone to eliminate an issue in their life without replacing it with some other behavior. To replace it with stress or depression does no one any good an is a poor way to show a love for God.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Problem is, JO’s teachings about “Positive-thinking” r mostly devoid of the gospel of Jesus Christ, ie “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
            Cf: “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?”(MARK.8:36)

    • gizmo23

      I can become “ordained” by clicking a few websites and paying a small fee. It means nothing.
      The Bible has always been interpreted by using cultural standards of the times. Our culture influences our view of the Bible far more than the Bible influences the culture

      • Amos Moses

        “The Bible has always been interpreted by using cultural standards of the times. Our culture influences our view of the Bible far more than the Bible influences the culture”

        Must be from “The Idiots Guide to Scripture and Hermaneutics”……

        • gizmo23

          Do defend your position with examples. This is an interesting topic

          • Amos Moses

            Scripture interprets scripture, nothing else. Man has no authority to reinterpret Gods word.
            Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22 18-21

          • gizmo23

            Man interprets the Bible all the time even the best Christians do that

          • Amos Moses

            No, if man is interpreting….. then it is not scripture. Sorry………….

          • gizmo23

            Using your logic human culture and societies are the same now as they were 100, 200, or 500 years ago, except for technology

          • Amos Moses

            Yeah,,,, no,,, not even sure what you are trying to say there. Has man essentially changed,,,, very little. But i am still not sure what your point is.

          • gizmo23

            That the Bible does not determine the culture. The culture defines the Bible

          • Amos Moses

            The bible determines the culture of those who believe in Christ. If enough believe in Christ it then changes the whole culture to one that is Christ centered..

            If men reject the bible, there is a different culture…. but it tends to burn itself out in a relatively short time……

          • gizmo23

            When and where would you say there was or is the Christ centered nation

          • Amos Moses

            The US was, it was not a christian nation, but it was a nation of christians.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    “They already feel guilty enough.”

    False. There is a remarkable lack of shame in our Western culture – a psychopathic lack of guilt when women laughingly go into abortuaries to have their preborn children killed, and so many in the West, even in “churches” remain silent, or worse encourage this shedding of the innocent blood of millions.

    Jesus taught the Truth in Love. He called for repentance. He spoke about sin. He overturned the tables and called the Pharisees all sorts of names. And he preached Hell more than anyone else in the Bible. It would appear that Joel Osteen is denying the Savior.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      Agree with u.

      1TIM.4: (NKJV) = The Great Apostasy

      1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from
      the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

      A Good Servant of Jesus Christ

      6 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister
      of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good
      doctrine which you have carefully followed. 7 But reject profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise yourself toward godliness. 8 For
      bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all
      things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to
      come. 9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,[a] because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.

      Take Heed to Your Ministry

      12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit,[b] in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership. 15 Meditate on these things; give yourself entirely to them, that your progress may be evident to all. 16 Take
      heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing
      this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Beautiful Scripture – thank you!

      • how does that work in context with those who use their spiritual gifts in obedience to God and scripture?

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          MATT.7: = 15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits.
          2THESS.2: = 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and
          with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
          2COR.11: = Paul and False Apostles

          5 For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles. 6 Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have been thoroughly manifested[b] among you in all things.

          7 Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. 9 And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows!

          12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the
          opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.

          14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

          • You chose to avoid answering the question directly. That’s called intellectual dishonesty.

            Romans 12:4 Just as our bodies have many parts and each part has a special function, 5 so it is with Christ’s body. We are many parts of one body, and we all belong to each other.

            6 In his grace, God has given us different gifts for doing certain things well. So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out with as much faith as God has given you. 7 If your gift is serving others, serve them well. If you are a teacher, teach well. 8 If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            1COR.12: = 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And
            God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets,
            third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps,
            administrations, varieties of tongues.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            JO’s gift of encouragement, alluded by u, does not qualify him to be a leader in Church.

    • And you are denying the inerrancy of scripture. Osteen is being obedient to scripture and is using the gift given to him by God. He know what his gift is and what it is not.
      Romans 12:8 If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging.

      Looks to me like you guys think your gift is insulting other brothers.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        “And you are denying the inerrancy of scripture.”

        How so, Steve?

  • Brandy Sunnenberg

    Who put the sun on the picture? Was it Christian News Network or CBS?

  • Brandy Sunnenberg

    I looked at he CBS picture of Joel Osteen and the sun pagan symbol doesn’t appear on theirs, but it appears here on yours? Why did u add it?

    • Robin Palmer

      It’s the symbol on the television when you watch CBS Sunday Morning. It’s their logo. That should tell you something about them.

  • Amanda W.

    “Take up your cross and follow Me” (Jesus) does not sound like living your best life now. :/

    That’s to come in the hereafter.

  • Peter Leh

    the belief in hell is not a prerequisite to salvation… except for those pharisee who “add to the gospel”

    • Mary Taylor

      No, but repentance is.

    • Amos Moses

      Christ mentions hell 13 times, how is that adding anything?

    • George

      people need to hear what they’re saved from. Many come to Christ just to get some benefit in this life. Just because people preach about repentance and hell does not by the biblical account make them Pharisees. Only an antinomian would say that. (one who believes we can sin all we want now that we are saved) Jesus himself commanded people to repent. John 3:16 even teaches this! “who ever believes in him will NOT PERISH”
      Jesus taught more on hell than heaven, he warned in many parables about weeping and gnashing of teeth, he taught about lazarus and the rich man, the rich man in hell. So, I don’t know where you get your theology from.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        “Just because people preach about repentance and hell does not by the biblical account make them Pharisees.”

        True, since Jesus Himself talked about those things.

      • Peter Leh

        “So, I don’t know where you get your theology from.”

        I never said i did not belief in hell for the record. Nor have I ever said one can sin all they want.

        My point is for those who say JO is not a christian and his congregation can’t be saved because he does not focus on hell. Salvation come from christ alone.

        Either christ saves or he does not. no need to add prerequisites and conditions to his sacrifice.

        • George

          a true born again believer will preach the whole council of God, not just parts of it. Plus, theres more than enough evidence on the internet about Joel and his theology, or lack of, he comes under the health and wealth gospel preaching, which is clearly heretical. Ill stick with the old true and trusted bible preachers…

          • Peter Leh

            who preaches the “whole council of god” correctly?

            Who has “it all down”? We all have heretical belief, otherwise there would only be one denomination. Until then we all have the privilege to wrestle with god’s word.

            Jump in the water is warm.

          • George

            you may have heretical belief, but like myself, and the bereans in acts, if you stay close to scripture, and not false teachers, “you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” its quite simple. Gods word is authoritive and clear.

            You sound like many new agers ive met, who claim we cannot know truth.

            this is what scripture says though -” All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.” (2 tim 3:16)

          • Peter Leh

            “you may have heretical belief, but like myself, and the bereans in acts,
            if you stay close to scripture, and not false teachers, “you will know
            the truth, and the truth will set you free” its quite simple.”

            excellent. so you know all truth and understand the whole council of god?

            So which is the one true denomination?

            “You sound like many new agers ive met, who claim we cannot know truth.”

          • George

            Don’t take me wrong my friend. Just don’t listen to those who tell you we cant know truth. Granted, we may not know EVERYTHING in scripture, but as for the essentials, scripture is clear. There is no one true denomination. The true church is the invisible church. These are believers whom God has chosen before the foundation of the world was built, those who have repented of their sins, turned to Christ, and cling to him.
            They may be found in many different Christian churches/gatherings around the world. Jesus said “my sheep hear my voice”
            But we cant ignore the many warnings from Jesus and the writers of the epistles about false prophets “making merchandise of you” or “leading many astray” Joel osteen, you and me, none of us are exempt from the standard scripture has set. We must not add to, nor take away from it. Bless.

          • Peter Leh

            “Don’t take me wrong my friend. ”

            George i know my kind. 🙂

            The point is when one goes out on a limb and claims: ” he is not saved because he does not preach: A, B, C, X, Y, Z” is heretical… period.

            Now you can say this person does not aligned with the doctrine of: X,Y,Z church and therefore not welcome to associate with our little club…. PERFECTLY FINE! Because when it is your toys it is your rules.. no?

            so that is where I see the line. We can agree to disagree but when my conviction though the HS that “leads us into ALL truth” has to be YOUR conviction or I am not saved…. that is where i call bull-crap. That is where the fellow christian has crossed the line unless he is willing to tell me who is the denomination that ” HAS IT ALL” (which none do.. unless one is a cult)

            otherwise, I say: Jump In The Water Is Warm.

            (cuz we are all in this together)

            Bless you as well, brother

          • George

            Here, rather than speak words back and fro, lets see what Gods word says – please read each of them carefully-

            “Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.” romans 10:17

            “How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?” romans 10:14

            “and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.” 2 timothy 3:15

            “For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.” 1 peter 1:23

            “Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.” 1 timothy 4:16
            Notice the importance about the word of God being properly preached? and these are just some verses on this topic. The real problem is, if you don’t see Gods word as totally authoritive, then you will forever be in the seas of human subjectivism, picking and choosing what ever feels best to you…

          • Peter Leh

            the word of god say a lot, no?

            If it is so clear then we have only one denomination. no?

            Just because JO does not agree with MY view of the scriptures does not make him a nonchrisitan, no?

            Otherwise am I ready call “who is in and who is out” for all? NO that is not my job. That is god’s. Any one else who does that is making themselves god. Seems awfully dangerous to play god.

            Now to say JO does not line up with what I believe is a totally acceptable and accurate statement. That is what we denominations do.. decide who is and who is not in our “club”.

            Many do not believe as you or I do. But for another person, not god, to say to another proclaiming christian ” YOU are not a christian.” is more dangerous an may face the wrath of god than the one who says “you are not a christian like ME.”

            Jump in the water is warm

          • George

            If you cant understand the scriptures I gave you, you either don’t know English well, or you are still in the dark, or, like many of Joel Osteens followers, you have been given into a different gospel.

            You continue to respond in an agnostic way, something the early church also had to deal with (those who say, we cant know truth)

            Anyway, I don’t think I can explain anymore to you, you seem to know more than me! Ill stick with the Jesus of the bible!
            “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.” John 10:27

          • Peter Leh

            no, I get it. Don’t confuse disagreement with you as being “ignorant of scripture, not knowing english, in the dark, or another gospel”.

            Funny why fellow christians think they have the monopoly on “who is in the dark” based on mere disagreement. Sound like one is attempting to control others rather than have a conversation.

            The HS leads us into the whole truth.

            which truth? the whole truth.

            Half the truth? no the whole truth.

            Some of the truth? no the whole.

            so if you and I disagree and both of us have the HS indwelling.. what do we now?

            Well we can divide up our doctrine, build up man’s kingdom by starting our man made denomination and call each other to be “in the dark, or preaching another gospel. or belittle and claim the other knows no english… or worse…play god and be the gatekeeper of who is saved and or not saved” ( which is the original point of my conversation about JO)

            Or we can realize we have the privilege of wrestling with scripture and how we are to relate to each other and the world to build God’s Kingdom.

            god meets you were you are. He does not wait for you to get your doctrine right to save you. If fact he needs not our permission on who he saves or how he saves.

          • George

            funny, im just a simple guy, a factory worker, yet God has made his word clear to me…

          • Peter Leh

            and to me. That is the privilege we have to wrestle with scripture.
            Where it crosses the line is where your conviction must be mine or mine must be yours. That is where one become cultish.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      JOHN.3:16 = 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

      MATT.5: = 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

  • Reason0verhate

    Who is the expert on what God is like?
    Jesus, or Osteen?
    It’s a no-brainer.
    Jesus clearly taught that there is a hell. No such thing as a Christianity without a belief in the Last Judgment. People who cannot accept that are not Christians.

    • Peter Leh

      ” No such thing as a Christianity without a belief in the Last Judgment. People who cannot accept that are not Christians.”

      really? LOL

      Jesus is not enough to save? We have to add more to what christ did on the cross?

      thank god the HS need not the opinion of those who add to the sacrifice of christ on his sheep.

      • Amos Moses

        Save you from WHAT?

        • Gena B

          Gods wrath

          • Amos Moses

            Which consists of……….?

          • Amos Moses

            So when Christ said:

            Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

            What? He was lying?

          • He wasn’t lying, you just aren’t understanding what’s been stated.

          • Amos Moses

            Then please educate us……

          • You can’t be educated, you refuse to use the critical thinking skills God gave you to even attempt to understand what’s being said. You are arguing, not teaching or learning. You can’t even answer a question directly or honestly.

          • Amos Moses

            So if that is your christian witness,,, imparted by JO,,,, then that pretty much says it all.


        • gizmo23

          separation from God

          • Amos Moses

            Which is defined as what? Saved from WHAT?

          • Amos Moses

            “separation from God”

            Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

            separation…… WHERE?

          • Do you think hell is in the Kingdom of God or outside of it? Is God in His Kingdom or outside of it.

          • Amos Moses

            Christ said what he said…… you do not get to alter it to your base desire.

          • So you’ll choose to be dishonest and not answer the question. Are you even saved? Seriously are you saved and do you have the Spirit of God in you?

          • Amos Moses

            One day, the King (God) decided to issue a proclamation. He sat on His throne and stated the proclamation to His Scribe (The Holy Spirit, The Prophets) and the procalmation was written out. It was “This and that, and this, this, this, that, that, that, and because this, then that and that and that”.

            The King then ordered the written proclamation (The Bible) to be read to everyone by the Herald (The Pastors, The Clergy, The Believers). But in reading the proclamation, some of them came to believe that the King’s words were too harsh, and they decided to alter the Kings word to make it more palatable. It then was “This and this, and this, that, this, that, that, that, and because that, then that and this and this”.

            This is not what the King had proclaimed and there is a penalty for altering the word of the King.

          • Weasel1886

            When she says “separation from God,” she means “doesn’t vote Dimocratic.”

      • These guys also neglect to study the gifts of the Spirit and which on Osteen quite faithfully uses. Before anyone whines about Osteen they should ook up the gifts of preaching, evangelism and encouragement to see how they differ.

        • Steve

          But is the pulpit the right place for just encouragement? I agree ,that is his gift. But the pulpit is for preaching and teaching. Encouragement is needed also, but there is a time and place for it. If it takes the place of true preaching, it’s out of place.

          • Is the pulpit the wrong place? He reaches millions of people with his messages and all of his messages point people to Christ. I was a sinner addicted to porn, and drugs and one Osteen sermon that turned me back to Christ. Not one post here will ever turn any person to Christ.

        • Peter Leh


          and to add gasoline on the fire, you notice the gifts given are not gender specific. 🙂

      • Reason0verhate

        There are no “opinions,” I take my stand on the words of Christ. Argue with Him, not with me.

        Fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul; but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

        You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can you escape the damnation of hell? Matthew 23:33

        Cast the unprofitable servant into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 25:30

        He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
        Mark 3:29

        He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he who believes not shall be damned. Mark 16:16

        If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to go through life maimed than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched; where their worm dies not, and the fire is not quenched. Mark 9:43-44

        Enter in at the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many there are who go in that way. Matthew 7:13

        Depart from me, all you workers of evil. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you shall see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east and the west and the north and the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. And, behold, some which are last shall be first, and there are first which shall be last. Luke 13:27-30

        The Kingdom of Heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. When the net is full, they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, sort the good fish into crates, and throw the bad ones away. That is the way it will be at the end of the world. The angels will come and separate the wicked people from the godly, throwing the wicked into the fire. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 13:47-50

        There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen, and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table; and the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died, and was buried. And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and he saw Abraham far off, with Lazarus by his side. And he cried and said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.”
        But Abraham said, “Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted, and you are tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they those who would pass from here to you cannot.”
        Luke 16:19-26

        “I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, `Raca, ‘ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.” Matt 5:22

        “I tell you the truth, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.” Matt 10:15

        “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:16

        “Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.” John 3:18

        “Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.” John 3:36

        End of discussion.

        • In your smugness you missed the other thousands of verses in scripture.

        • Peter Leh

          lots of verses there. not one applies to you adding shackles to Jesus sacrifice.

          may jesus free you from your self imposed legalism and the legalistic judgment you put on others

  • Peter Leh

    After going to an american church last week for easter, I appreciate the pastor mentioning “this church has more grace than sin… if you find an uppity christian, most likely he is a visitor”

    In other words God works out the details…. we are to love and present christ.

    If you add anything else you are a pharisee

    salvation does not require one to believe in hell, repentance comes by the power of the HS. The HS comes at the time of salvation not before.

    Osteen says “it’s a different approach”. A different approach does not make one a heretic… unless you are a pharisee. We know what Jesus did to the pharisee.

    • Amos Moses

      “salvation does not require one to believe in hell,”

      So,,, Just what in hell are you being saved from?

      And yet scripture mentions hell 54 times,
      Christ mentions hell 13 times:
      Mat 5:29, Mat 5:30, Mat 10:28, Mat 11:23, Mat 16:18, Mat 23:15, Mat 23:33, Mark 9:43, Mark 9:45, Mark 9:47, Luke 10:15, Luke 12:5, Luke 16:23….

      And additionally in the NT:
      Acts 2:27, Acts 2:31, Jas 3:6, 2 Pet 2:4, Rev 1:18, Rev 6:8, Rev 20:13, Rev 20:14….

      Those are just the direct references. The indirect references to such items as “eternal punishment” and other names goes even further.

      It also further states in scripture at Rev 22:

      22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
      22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
      (Also see Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:6)

      But i guess some seem to think they can edit Gods word without consequence, when scripture says otherwise and all they are doing is cutting themselves out of the book of life.

      But Joel Osteen does not preach Christ and him crucified as that might put people off, He does use the name of Christ on occasion, as a veneer, an afterthought.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      REV.21: (NKJV) = 6 And He said to me, “It is done![c]
      I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of
      the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

      8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[e] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and
      brimstone, which is the second death.”

      • Peter Leh


  • Mary Taylor

    Enjoy your life now Joel, I don’t think you’re going to enjoy your eternal one, if you keep misleading people.

    • As you judge, so you will be judged. Osteen is using his gift of encouragement in obedience to scripture, wheres the fault in that?

  • Greg O.

    If I never spoke of hell, I should think I had kept back something that was profitable, and should look on myself as an accomplice of the devil.
    J.C. Ryle

  • Amos Moses

    If this is “Your Best Life Now”, then your ultimate destination must be hell…… Ironic, aint it?

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Brilliant reply, short sweet and brilliant!

  • Adrian Croft

    Hell is about human freedom. God made people with free will, we are not robots. You can say no to God and shut Him out, forever. A God who saved everyone would not deserve to be worshipped, not if he sends Hitler and Stalin to the same place as the saints.

  • Amos Moses

    Pastor: Siri, what do you think of Joel Osteen’s sermons?
    Siri: Is this a joke?
    Pastor: No, this is not a joke. I really want to know what you think of Joel Osteens sermons?
    Siri: Words like “junk food”, “cotton candy” and “artificial sweeteners” come to mind.

  • Sandra K Jenner

    I Googled “Lakewood Church,” and clicked on What We Believe. It’s basic stuff, roughly the same as the Apostles’ Creed, although there is nothing about judgment and the afterlife. I also clicked on Ministries, they have lots of things going on there (needless to say – it’s huge), but essentially their calendar has events that you would find on most any evangelical/Pentecostal calendar, including a class on spiritual warfare, on baptism in the Spirit, etc. I suspect that Osteen may be more typical of evangelical pastors than we like to think. They all conform to the culture to some degree, which is unfortunate, because it’s hard to preach repentance and salvation when you are terrified of being called “judgmental.” It’s tempting to judge him and other preachers for soft-pedaling the gospel, but we have to realize that Jesus and the apostles preached to people who believed in hell and heaven, and for people in America and Europe today, that’s a hard sell, since they are materialists who believe nothing exists after death.

    • George

      I hear what your saying, but abiding in Christ brings with it disdain from the world anyway. Jesus did say to his disciples not to be surprised when the world hates you, for it first hated me (Jesus) so yes, to many, any mention of hell or judgement comes across wrong in our post modern, political correct world we live in. oh well, the bible teaches we are to love our neighbour, but we are not to please man, but to please God.

      • Sandra K Jenner

        I totally agree. One reason I don’t want to rush to judge Osteen is that I don’t know what else the Lakewood members learn, apart from his sermons. There is more to a megachurch than the pastor, even if he is world-famous. I’ve never heard him say anything that directly contradicts the New Testament, so I don’t want to tag him as a heretic or apostate. It would be nice if some Lakewood members would visit threads like this and give some input.

        • Dianne

          Hello Sandra, Joel Osteen said that he would attend a homosexual wedding of one of his members in order to not offend them. This is in direct opposition to ALL of God’s word regarding sexual immorality.
          1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a FORNICATOR! or covetous, or an idolater, or an extortioner; with such an one no not eat.
          1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality.

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    MATT.4:17 (NKJV) = 17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    Why did our Lord Jesus Christ began his ministry by saying the above to His fellow Jews.?

    …….It was bc the Jews were suffering under Roman occupation/colonization = having been cursed by God for their past sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking, esp those committed by their former kings, as per DEUT.28:15-16, …
    ….n God was giving them the opportunity to be saved from hell for their inborn Adamic sin (ROM.5:12 & 3:23, MATT.5:27-30) thru the atonement/forgiveness provided by the blood of JC on the Cross.(LEV.17:11-12, HEB.9:22)

    IOW, God/Jesus(= the Word) is our Spirit’ual doctor who can heal both our inborn Adamic sickness/sin-in-thoughts n our outer sickness/sin-in-deeds.

    All a Christian has to do is believe in JC for their salvation unto eternal life in the kingdom of heaven n being saved from hell when he/she dies.(JOHN.3:16) …
    ….n obey the laws/commandments/Word of God(= God’s/ /Moses Law), either fully(= for Jewish Christians) or partially(= for Gentile Christians) as per ACTS.15:28-29, for a good n long life on earth.(cf: 1COR.5:5)

    Joel Osteen is like a quack-doctor doling out quack medicine for greedy people. Being politically-correct/religiously-correct n fearful of men’s disapproval, he does not tell people about their spiritual sickness/sins n their need to repent of their inborn Adamic sin n/or outborn/outward sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking.
    …….Hence, he is very tolerant of the adultery-sins of his worship leader, Israel Houghton, similar to the condoning of LGBTQ’ism by the Episcopal n PCUSA Church.

  • Becky

    “You’ve been criticized for church-lite, or a cotton candy message. Do you feel like you’re cheating people by not telling them about the Hell part? Or repentance part?” she asked.”

    By not telling them?? Every individual should read the bible for themselves. That’s the best way to know the truth. Don’t depend solely on others to teach you about God, because you can easily be misled…like in this case.

    “Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness. And their message will spread like cancer.”
    2 Timothy 2:14-16

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Nice, Becky, nice!

    • Charles

      Well said.. If they knew their Bibles they wouldn’t be at his gatherings. In all honesty.. He’s a result of his congregation. They want their ears tickled, and he’s providing it.. The Lord is merely a subtitle at these gatherings.

    • If the worker is using the Gift given to them by God, are they approved by God? Is Osteen’s gift evangelism, preaching or encouragement? What are your gifts? Are using using your gifts as Osteen is his?

  • sammy13

    Anyone remember the book “I’m OK, You’re OK” ?

    Maybe I am wrong, or just old fashioned. I grew up Catholic and later on migrated to the Episcopal Church. Both had and still have an alter, which I suppose dates back to sacrificial alters built to pay homage to G-d (as well as the worship of false gods). In any event, the alter was where everything happened except for the sermons and bible readings from the pulpit.

    Today, many churches including well known and traditional main stream protestant churches are constructed with a center stage; no alter, no pulpit. The Lord’s Supper/Communion was celebrated at all Catholic and Episcopal services, repeating the blessing and the words of Christ to ‘do this OFTEN in remembrance of me”. I have been attending the non-denominal churches with my son and his family and I am amazed. It is different. I have contacted some of the more traditional Protestant churches and enquire about communion/Lord’s Supper and have been told it is celebrated for special occasions.

    I mentioned the center stage. Besides a preacher/pastor/doctor (is there laying on of hands any more?), there are the drums, electronic organ, guitars, and the like. When the new type Christian music is playing ( a lot of it is really good) with the musicians singing, many attendees are swaying and dancing. There is no kneeling, or humbling ones self before G-d when asking for forgiveness.

    It has come down to feeling good rather than feeling ashamed with a knowledge of hope for salvation through the Christ. Repentance and acceptance.

    I could go on but will stop there. Times change. I am stubborn and using this change from what I was used to as an excuse for not going to church except on ‘special occasions’. I got caught up in the KJV only crowd, and have to admit that I do like the KJV, except for the use of Easter rather than Passover regarding Peter’s imprisonment. Who am I to judge?

    I like confession; after all we are told in the bible to confess to one another. Yet many condemn the very idea of confessing to a priest/pastor. What is wrong with that aspect of biblical teaching? Baptism has been replaced by dedication of babies. I am ok with that as Jesus was taken to be dedicated, so there are those roots; but he was also baptized.

    The preachers I have known were not wealthy nor could you call their facility a mega church. It was humble. Yes, an alter. Maybe some gold or plated candles and a chalice or two. One could imagine the Trinity occupying the alter, all eyes fixed. It has been replaced by center stage, and well meaning entertainment, and giant monitors.

    Ok, I feel better. It hurts deeply to think these things and keep them in one’s heart. It is best to let others know. Maybe a prayer or two will help ease me into this new age and leave the past traditions behind. Then again, maybe not.


    • WorldGoneCrazy

      If you like the idea of a sacramental liturgical church, check out the Charismatic Episcopal Church (no relation whatsoever to the Episcopal Church of the USA). It came out of the pro-life movement, I believe, and is strong in conservative doctrine too.

    • Amos Moses

      New age? Run… don’t stop… run fast… run far…………

  • mrpoohead

    …..isn’t God/Allah all forgiving anyway?

    • Amos Moses

      if you mean god/Allah…… no. If you mean “God/Allah…. there is no such thing…. so NO.

      God/Christ is forgiving…. to those who have been given the gift of Repentance…. without which there is no gift of forgiveness.

      • mrpoohead

        By that rationale Mustang, Focus, Taurus are all different manufacturers and do not come under the banner of Ford. Bot no; same brand, different body. God/Allah, same bloke, different underpants. Fact!

        • Amos Moses

          No, YHVH is not known as “Allah”……….. but satan is.

          So, NO………………………..

          • mrpoohead

            Incorrect; just check your history books – Abrahamic religions; Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Call him what you will – same fella. Sorry; you do not pass “Go”, you do not collect $200.

          • Amos Moses

            Check your bible…….. there is no name in it such as “Allah”. Also, even muslims will tell you, it is not the same God of the christians and Jews.

            You can keep your money.

          • Charles

            Ha ha.. You don’t even know the differences between these religions… Stop watching Zeitgeist movies.

          • mrpoohead

            Simply; Jesus son of God/prophet, Muhammad prophet/not recognised. Worship is different but similar in all – including within the same brand; Catholic/Protestant, Sunni/Shia. Duh! No funny movies, just history.

          • Amos Moses

            Islam says their god has no son…………….. So when you say “Jesus son of God” you are directly refuting your own statements. Fail!

          • mrpoohead

            Not exactly – the basic concept is there, God is the same, merely the interpretation of what followers is the argument. They are still Abrahamic religions; same God, initial interpretations similar, it’s how it’s polished off that differs – think you’ll find a variety of interpretations even within Christianity. Not fail, nor blinkered.

          • Amos Moses

            No, the basic concept is Islam and Muslims deny Christ not only as the Son of God, but also as God………………..which He is……….

          • mrpoohead

            Muslims acknowledge Jesus as a prophet, ditto the Jewish. However, all believe in the same God, not rocket science.

          • Charles

            Judaism doesn’t regard Jesus as a prophet.. They HATE Jesus the Son of God.

          • mrpoohead

            Errrrrrrr in-correct – go to the back of the classroom. Prophet was too strong a word to use, preacher would be more appropriate. The Jews view both Jesus and Muhammad as important figures – hate they do not, that seems more and more the extreme version of any religion; whether that be ISIS (not representative of the majority of Muslims) or Christian Fundamentalists. All nut-jobs in my book.

          • Charles

            You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.. There isn’t a good word they say about Jesus in the Talmud… Quite the opposite. Or do you know anything about the Talmud? Of course you don’t.

          • mrpoohead

            A/ Debatable that they were referencing Jesus
            B/ Bizarre as it may seem we have moved on over a thousand years. As it wasn’t printed for about that length of time, it is likely that some has been lost in translation – same with the Bible. Shakespeare’s English is hardly today’s language
            C/ Modern day folk think a little differently – well most do
            D/ Jesus nor Mohammad are in “Harry Potter” either – should we be concerned?
            E/ As neither of us, I suspect, have a time machine – all debatable rubbish

          • Charles

            A/ No it isn’t.. They knew full well what they were saying. It’s even more obvious in the Jewish Encyclopedia.
            B/ You’ve moved on because you’re not a believer in Jesus Christ.
            C/ Well.. Clearly you think that way. I don’t.
            D/ Don’t care about Mohammad or Harry Potter.. Irrelevant anyway.
            E/ You come here trying to subvert peoples faith with misinformation because you hate the Lord Jesus Christ… The Lord doesn’t like people whom make deceitful plans.

          • mrpoohead

            A/ Just a tomb of history – it neither promotes or condones. An encyclopedia by definition is there to write facts neutrally. Read it all, it’s fair
            B/ There are many ways to believe;
            C/ being narrow-minded and a bigot is not in my book, Jesus by today’s standards sounds like a hippy
            D/ Well the former is in the Encyclopedia; again in a history sense – reported
            E/ Actually I arrived on this site expecting to find like-minded people. Instead I seem to have found Nazi Germany’s answer to Christianity – not all, but many. Jesus extolls forgiveness, peace and love – here I have found a lot of hatred. Not what I expected. Folk are condemned for their sexuality, medical procedures and for being of a different faith – not what I feel Jesus encourages at all. I am not deceitful, I am more open than most everyone on this site

            What he does consistently exhort is social responsibility and being nice to mankind irrespective of what they are. By that interpretation the whole of the US is a big fat failure.

            Thank you.

          • Amos Moses

            Yes, a prophet………..NOT the son of God…. so, NO! Not the same thing by a long shot.

            The Jews, non-Messianic Jews, do not consider him a prophet. Not by a long shot. They consider Him a disobedient Yeshiva student. So again, NO!

            “However, all believe in the same God, not rocket science.”

            No, all believing in the same god is universalism, not Islam, not Judaism, Not Christianity.

          • mrpoohead

            Jesus, preacher invoking God, ditto Muhammad. Did the God change? Did they create a new one? How is it not the same God?

            Obviously you are far more intelligent than I, so answers please on a postcard to – myBSisbetterthananyoneelses.

            Same God – sorry, it’s a fact, not even disputable.

          • Amos Moses

            “Jesus, preacher invoking God, ditto Muhammad. ”

            So if i say the name “Bill”, that covers everyone claiming the name “Bill”. No sorry, it does not. god is not god is not God. Just because the name is invoked does not mean they are all God or even the same God.

            Sorry, it’s a fact, not even disputable.

          • mrpoohead

            Obviously interpretations are different, but I must say I find your version of God very hate-filled. Am sure in their day Jesus and Muhammad would have been seen as upstarts by some, righteous by another, pompous and even rebellious as well. Today is a different story.

            Your version of Christianity seems more in keeping with the era of the Spanish Inquisition – oppressive and domineering. Am sure we all errr during our lifetimes – I myself am happy to sign up for fornication, but may fall down in the practical. Where’s the peace and love? God is the judge and I suspect not that many are really all that bad or the world would be considerably worse.

          • Amos Moses

            “Obviously interpretations are different, but I must say I find your version of God very hate-filled.”

            So what? God is who He says He is, not who we say He is. What you are doing is idolatry. A god of your own making. He is the Creator of all, but not all of His creation are His children.

            “Your version of Christianity”

            There is no private interpretation of scripture. If man is interpreting it then it is no longer scripture.

          • mrpoohead

            If that were the case, then why do we have so many varieties of Christianity? Obviously you are God as you have interpreted Scripture in a different way to many – duh! I suggest you start a new brand of church/mosque/temple.

          • Amos Moses

            “Obviously you are God as you have interpreted Scripture in a different way to many”

            Again, there is no private interpretation of scripture, if it is then it is no longer scripture, it is something else. It is not my church, or your church or anyones church….. Except Christ… It is His church ALONE.

          • mrpoohead

            If, that were the case then we would have only one “house”, not a variety of churches, temples and mosques?

          • Amos Moses

            1Cor 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

            2Pet 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

          • mrpoohead

            Which could be “all”, Jesus and Muhammad included. No gold star.

          • Amos Moses

            34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

            43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
            43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.
            43:13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

            45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
            45:6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
            45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

            48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

          • mrpoohead

            Old Testament and Second book of the Torah – so same God; Jewish, Muslim and Christian. Thank you.

          • Amos Moses

            So no, not the same God.

          • mrpoohead

            So absolutely the same God – who also pre-dates Jesus. “Allah” the word is pagan, so predates Jesus and presumably Judaism.

            I hope I am more magnanimous when I am wrong.

          • Amos Moses


          • mrpoohead

            I see said the blind man – or not in your case.

          • Amos Moses


          • mrpoohead

            Then try Eyes R Us.

          • mrpoohead

            Abrahamic religions – same start, twists along the way, same God. Find me a reference book, of repute, that says anything less.

          • Amos Moses

            The bible…………..

          • mrpoohead

            That’s what I thought – you got nothing but fiction.

          • Amos Moses

            Well you are saying something different than the bible claiming the bible supports your position… and it does not.

          • mrpoohead

            Well, personally, I see the Bible as more of a self-help book. A guide to living; being nice to one’s neighbours, social responsibility, not demonising people, nor condemning. As a historical tomb, it is poor – Jesus is born, then he’s thirty. What happened – was he out drinking and whoring, living? One invariably has to errrr to see a better path.

            The First Testament is in all Abrahamic texts; Nazareth is near the Mediterranean, Christianity spread north. Muhammad was born in Mecca and his influence spread south. Muslims accept Jesus was important, but his influence moved north. Therefore, same God – thank you, as both were merely enforcing the first book. How could the God change?

          • Amos Moses

            “Well, personally, I see the Bible as more of a self-help book”

            No, the bible is about one person, Christ, OT and NT.

          • mrpoohead

            God in number one and number two is Jesus advocating God’s doctrine.

          • Amos Moses

            The God/Christ of the OT and the God/Christ of the NT are the EXACT same and there is absolutely no disagreement between the two nor between them and the Holy Spirit.

          • mrpoohead

            In the OT the forecast varied for a boy called Immaniel and a daughter. No Jesus – Christians have decided he was the Son. Duh!

          • Amos Moses

            You provide no scriptural reference for your assertion so…………..Duh!

            BTW, Immanuel means “God with us”, which he was.

          • mrpoohead

            …….and the daughter? You do not need scripture reference.

            Prodigal Son
            The Good Samaritan
            Feeding 5000……………………….

            and on and on. You use scripture to excuse being a bigot – not very Christian.

            I have been fortunate to travel, a lot, and been to churches of many denominations; even one in a cave in the middle of nowhere Africa. Only once have I ever come across the bile you promote – Baptist. The Minister had a political agenda, all others were welcoming and not condescending. They promoted positive, even the Catholic church has moved on from hell fire and damnation. You are a sad little man.

          • Amos Moses

            Sniff….sniff…. your words cut me deeply….. i see the light… i will reform and become more like the world and you………………………………. NOT!

    • ChipO1

      God and Allah are not the same.
      You have Christians confused with Muslims.
      Two entirely different religions, radically different.

      • mrpoohead

        Both are Abrahamic religions – same source. Christianity believes Jesus was the son of God, the Muslims believe he and Muhammad are prophets. Here endeth the history lesson.

  • Gena B

    If he is not preaching the cross he is not preaching the truth. Unfortunately their are a lot of people going to his meetings and he is leading them down that broad path straight to destruction. We need to pray that God shows him what he is doing is really against Gods kingdom and not for it.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      I heard that there was or is no cross in his church because it might be “offensive.” smh

      • Max

        That was also true of Robert Schuller.

      • Amos Moses

        He does have a giant globe of the world….. rather appropriate given his messages.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Seriously – a globe? Worldly, indeed.

          I think that it was easier for me, converting from atheism, to understand that the things of this world will pass away but Jesus’ words will never pass away. I think that must be easier to grasp for someone who was not raised in a church, maybe – I don’t know – perhaps it depends on the kind of church someone is raised in?

  • Dongus Eddy

    “Cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”
    ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Amen! Here’s another that might apply:

      “Christianity stands or falls with its revolutionary protest against violence, arbitrariness and pride of power and with its plea for the weak. Christians are doing too little to make these points clear rather than too much. Christendom adjusts itself far too easily to the worship of power. Christians should give more offense, shock the world far more, than they are doing now. Christians should take a stronger stand in favor of the weak rather than considering first the possible right of the strong.” ― Dietrich Bonhoeffer

  • Peridot Path

    Yet again , even in this interview , Joel Osteen demonstrates his propensities to put
    peoples feelings ahead of shining the light . His messages have been devoid of
    a genuine pastor’s love for the Word and for the perfecting of holiness in the
    saints – who are the sheep of God’s Shepherd Jesus. He doesn’t want to
    offend people’s feelings nor be a stumbling block to their road success , but what
    he is he going to do about Jesus who said that He wants His sheep and lambs
    to be fed and cared for ? Jesus taught about life & death ; heaven & hell ;
    success & failure. A true pastor would do as Jesus did.
    Joel Osteen should do this too , if he is to ever to be anything other than
    a motivational speaker .

  • gizmo23

    It gets ugly when Christians start beating each other up. Such is the nature of the faith these days it seems

    • Carlos M

      We don’t kill each other with AIDS the way homosexuals do, so we are a thousand times better than them.

  • The Guest

    “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.” Romans 3:23

    “All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” Isaiah 53:6

    “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” 1 Corinthians 1:18

    “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that faitheth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, ‘The just shall live by faith.'” Romans 1:16-17

    “From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, ‘Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'” Matthew 4:17 (Christ’s FIRST message)

    “And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.’ And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, ‘God be merciful to me a sinner.’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.” Luke 18:9-14

    In order to be redeemed you must at least first repent and know that you need salvation. This generation does not want to admit they have sinned. They do not want a sovereign God and they reject outright God’s gift of His One and Only Son who died in our place for our sins. In order to be a true called minister of God (Ephesians 4), you have to be teaching Christ and His word, the Word of God. Not just hold it up for 5 seconds at the beginning of a program. God is not a genie in a bottle, and it is NOT all about YOU. Die to self, be born again in the Spirit. Follow Christ. Don’t be fooled and led astray.

    “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” 2 Timothy 4:3

    “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—***having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people! They are the kind who worm their way into homes (via mainstream media) and gain control over gullible women (and men), who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.*** Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. ***They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.***” 2 Timothy 3:1-9 … “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.” 2 Timothy 3:15-17

    “Behold, the days come,” saith the Lord God, “that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.” Amos 8:11-12

  • Romans 12:8 If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging.

    Osteen is obeying scripture. Obedience pleases God. Get over it and use your own gift as well as he does his!

    • Amos Moses

      His gift seems to be to decieve… so yeah, he is doing a good job of that.

      There is no judgement of JO’s teaching, JOs teaching IS the judgement on those who refuse to hear Christs message of Repentance and forgiveness of sin. How can you repent if you are not taught what sin is.

      “Tens of thousands, perhaps millions, have come into some kind of religious experience by accepting Christ, and they have not been saved.” ~ A.W. Tozer

      “[Sin] is so natural, it is rarely recognized for the evil that it is. ~ A.W. Tozer” ~ A.W. Tozer, “The Pursuit of God.”

      “We who preach the gospel must not think of ourselves as public relations agents sent to establish good will between Christ and the world. We must not imagine ourselves commissioned to make Christ acceptable to big business, the press, the world of sports or modern education. We are not diplomats but prophets, and our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum.” ~ A.W. Tozer

      • I think you might be the deceiver. I gave the word of God you gave the word of man. Now prove that Osteen is in sin or deceiving by using his God given gift. Prove what you say or repent here and now.

        Romans 12:8New Living Translation (NLT) If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging.

        1 Corinthians 12:4 There are different kinds of spiritual gifts, but the same Spirit is the source of them all. 5 There are different kinds of service, but we serve the same Lord. 6 God works in different ways, but it is the same God who does the work in all of us.

        • Amos Moses

          Joel Osteen is lying by omission by NOT preaching sin and repentance.


          22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

          22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

          So let us re-iterate………..”if any man shall take away from the words of the book”….then……”God shall take away his part out of the book of life,”……….. and…… to the church of the last days (if this does not describe the modern prosperity gospel mega-church i do not know what does)…..

          3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
          3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
          3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
          3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
          3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
          3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

          • No he isn’t you need to understand scripture. He has been ORDERED by God to use his gift and like a good soldir he is. I hope you aren’t a teacher or a preacher because you just misused the Word to falsely accuse your brother.

          • Amos Moses

            “I hope you aren’t a teacher or a preacher because you just misused the Word to falsely accuse your brother.”

            No accusation, the truth is READILY APPARENT by Joels own words…………….. but if you feel the need to defend him… who cares……

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            MATT.4:17 = 17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

          • 1 Corinthians 12:12-27New International Reader’s Version (NIRV)

            One Body but Many Parts

            12 There is one body, but it has many parts. But all its many parts make up one body. It is the same with Christ. 13 We were all baptized by one Holy Spirit. And so we are formed into one body. It didn’t matter whether we were Jews or Gentiles, slaves or free people. We were all given the same Spirit to drink. 14 So the body is not made up of just one part. It has many parts.

            15 Suppose the foot says, “I am not a hand. So I don’t belong to the body.” By saying this, it cannot stop being part of the body. 16 And suppose the ear says, “I am not an eye. So I don’t belong to the body.” By saying this, it cannot stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, how could it hear? If the whole body were an ear, how could it smell? 18 God has placed each part in the body just as he wanted it to be. 19 If all the parts were the same, how could there be a body? 20 As it is, there are many parts. But there is only one body.

            21 The eye can’t say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” The head can’t say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 In fact, it is just the opposite. The parts of the body that seem to be weaker are the ones we can’t do without. 23 The parts that we think are less important we treat with special honor. The private parts aren’t shown. But they are treated with special care. 24 The parts that can be shown don’t need special care. But God has put together all the parts of the body. And he has given more honor to the parts that didn’t have any. 25 In that way, the parts of the body will not take sides. All of them will take care of one another. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it. If one part is honored, every part shares in its joy.

            27 You are the body of Christ. Each one of you is a part of it.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            For what purpose, is the gifts of the Holy Spirit/God, eg prophecy, healings, miracle-working, teaching, etc.?
            …….To make u feel good.? To enrich yrself.? To be successful n prosperous in life.? For the kingdom of God.?

  • Tim

    Hosea 13:16King James Version (KJV)

    16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

  • Amos Moses

    Lutherans favorite drinking game is to listen to Joel Osteen and every time they mention Jesus they take a shot of bourbon.

    The best part is……


  • Reason2012

    // Megachurch self-help author and motivational speaker Joel Osteen says that he doesn’t believe that he’s “cheating people” by neglecting to preach on repentance or eternal punishment as he opines that people “feel guilty enough.” //

    It’s not about feeling guilty, Joel, it’s about fearing God and turning away from sin and putting your trust in Christ alone. Jesus spent more time warning about_hell than He did speaking about Heaven, and you don’t mention_hell or repentance at all, which only shows you’re a false teacher preaching that Christ rose again so people could be rich.

    Luke 12:4-5 “[Jesus said] And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.”

  • Coach

    Why would he preach about the place he’s going to? He shouldn’t be criticized for what he’s not preaching anymore than a Muslim who doesn’t preach repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. He should be criticized strictly for his blasphemous use of the bible, and his vain use of the name of God.
    I beg anybody who follows his teachings to flee, his destructive heresies will lead you to hell, run to Jesus Christ, not for a better life, but for the remission of sins. “To be carnally minded is death…”

  • gre9467

    It has been apparent for many years that Joel Osteen is not a preacher. He said himself that he is a motivational speaker, and that he is not behind a pulpit….but a podium. He is strictly self-help….and those seeking self-help are usually opposed to the help of Jesus through the Holy Spirit. Having your best life now has nothing to do with laying hold on eternal life. His followers are only interested in feeling good about themselves. He preaches nothing about Christ except his sacrifice. And that only goes as far what He has done for you, which is a man-centered message. It says nothing about what God expects from you. He is a deceiver. It’s bad to put yourself in the place of teaching when you are spreading error, as teachers will come under a greater condemnation.

  • George Jenkins

    “Joel Osteen says that he doesn’t believe that he’s “cheating people” by neglecting to preach on repentance or eternal punishment as he opines that people “feel guilty enough.””

    HE TOTALLY misses the point of the gospel. God does not want anyone to feel even a little bit guilty. Osteen says we should think nice happy thoughts and not be concerned about things we have done that make us feel guilty. That does nor solve the guilt problem. Guilt has an annoying way of coming back at the most inopportune moments. A “positive” attitude will never solve the problem. Jesus says that if we believe in Him and confess our sins and accept His forgiveness, we will be forgiven. Period. That’s the way guilt is removed once and for all.

  • Charles

    Will someone PLEASE pass the salt to this guy….

  • Dianne

    My sincere prayer is for lukewarm Joel Osteen and his wife to REPENT before it is too late, for it is written that not everyone that says Lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. To not PREACH the whole counsel of GOD is to not PREACH at all.

  • Ax2root

    There are sins of commission and omission . Sin hurts humans.

    ThE WHOLE Word of God is to be RIGHTLY DIVIDED .

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    An apostate. Half-truth is a lie.

  • Red Mann

    If you don’t believe in hell, you don’t believe in justice. With all the people screaming for “justice!” you’d actually think that hell would be an attractive teaching – the people who get away with their sins is this life will finally get their comeuppance.

  • Balerion

    Probably the only honest thing he’s ever actually done.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Omission of essential Biblical truths is done only by apostates and cults. God’s truth must be declared whether men like it or not.

  • Charles

    There is nothing wrong with motivational messages, encouragement and coaching lessons and earthly empowerment sessions. They are needed to live life on this earth and may be necessary depending on the circumstance and mindset of the recipient or trainee. So many universities and colleges and self-help motivational teachers / life coaches all over the world do such very well.

    However, these motivational, encouragement and empowerment coaching meetings do not lead to eternal life of the kingdom of God if the foundation (prerequisite) of repentance is missing or deliberately ignored mainly to encourage or not to upset the person receiving the messages – if they are truly seeking eternal life. Motivation and encouragement should not be confused with the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Any message that does not lead to repentance and forsaking of sins is not of the kingdom of God in Christ Jesus.

  • Dimitri Johnson

    Sounds like a people pleaser to me… ?✋

    • Amos Moses

      Scratchin’ those ears……….

      • Dimitri Johnson